D (4:12)

Thank you for two things. One, having me on the show and two, for saying my name right. You will not make my highlight film on people that have said my name wrong.

C (4:20)

So, Congressman, I have noticed for 10 years now, I go on TV shows, podcasts, whatever, and people cannot pronounce my name either. They say there's a Michael. No, it's like they have marbles in their mouth. So I totally empathize and I'm glad that I was able to articulate your name properly. I Congressman, I've been watching all of your clips, all of these interviews you've been doing on Pals with some of your colleagues on the UFO panel in the House of Representatives. I've been following this for a long time. And then your former colleague Matt Gaetz came out and he said that there is a human extraterrestrial hybrid breeding program. And I said, you know what? Look, I've gotten along great with Matt Gaetz over the years, but this is completely bonkers. I don't buy it. I don't believe in Aliens, no way, no how. But then you've been making the rounds saying some of these claims are not as crazy as they might appear.

D (5:22)

That's true. Matt was actually briefed by a member of our military in uniform on that subject. But I've heard a lot of wild things. I've been in, let's just say I've been briefed by a lot of high ranking officials. And, and the thing I want to warn people about is there's a word called psyop or two words, I guess. And these agencies, a lot of them are just chasing dollars. And they would laugh at me when I would talk to them about UFOs or UAPs, which is a complete distraction. It's, I just go, UFOs. And now they've seen that the polling. The population of this great country believes that we are not alone and there is something extra out there. And so now they see dollars. And so now all of a sudden a lot of these Alphabet agencies are putting stuff out. I would warn people, if you don't see it with your own dadgum eyes, don't believe it. And it's. And to me it's not about little green men or flying saucers, it's about what are we spending tens of millions if not billions of dollars researching something? And why do they say they don't exist, but yet every dadgum department except the irs. Maybe they do, I don't know. But I don't want to get the IRS ticked off at me just yet. It's getting close. Why are they all investigating this object that doesn't exist? And why do I sit in a secure briefing and this little punk with a man bun comes in and tells me that he has no data points on something. I said, well, dad Gumitz, let me give you an example. And I gave him an example of a nuclear facility that, that shut down literally after they saw these UFOs flying over it. It's a documented case. You can go on news reports have, have, I mean, legitimate news. People have talked about it. So, you know, it's a, it's a phenomena and we need to get to the bottom of it. I talked to the President about it and you know, and also one other thing that ought to, it's kind of a chilling effect to me is when I'm talking to one of these little gutless bureaucrats that's not elected and they tell me the President is on a need to know basis. That should, that should scare you right there. But I have seen some things and talked to some People about, about this issue that would, it would keep you awake at night.

C (7:53)

Congressman, you mentioned the IRS here. I guess one of the greatest arguments against the existence of extraterrestrial aliens is if they existed, the IRS would find a way to tax them. So that's one mark against the aliens. On the point, though, of these unidentified objects, obviously there are unidentified flying objects. There's no question about that. And it seems to me that speculation falls into three camps. Your colleague Annapolina Luna said in an interview that she thinks that these beings are not necessarily physical. So that would seem to fall into the camp that I find myself in, that the Vice President apparently finds himself in, as he said in an interview to Benny Johnson, that to put it bluntly, he thinks the aliens are demons. And there are some people, like my colleague Matt Walsh, who thinks the aliens are little green men or Mars attacks or something like that. And then there is a third camp which says that the UFOs are either our own technology or China or something, you know, a terrestrial adversary.

D (8:54)

Right.

C (8:54)

And I was speaking to a member of Congress, and I said, you know, I'm not sure what's scarier, if the aliens are demons or if the aliens are Chinese, because if the Chinese have this kind of technology and we don't, that's pretty scary to me. Can you weigh in on.

D (9:09)

Yeah, let's start at the top, the last one there, the Chinese. If the Chinese or we had that, there would, there wouldn't be an Iranian conflict right now, and China would own the world. I mean, they pretty much do. They own Congress because we're a bunch of gutless people and we allow the K Street lobbyist to run our world. But, but I'm not bitter, but the, and if, if the Russians had it, you know, Putin would, he would fly UFO down, landed on the front steps of the White House, and get out and wrestle a unicorn or something, you know, and so I don't, I don't, I don't go that route. And what I do think is it's a combination of things. I think if, if you allow me to expound, if that's okay. Sorry, I'm jumping around here. I'm in a car. We got our time zones fixed up. That's totally my fault, so, But I have go into a meeting.

C (10:05)

You're a busy guy. I appreciate it.

D (10:07)

No, brother, it's an honor being on with you now. The. Is in the spiritual realm. I, I, I don't really have a grasp on that. I'm a Christian, I'm a Born again Christian. I'm a very imperfect one though. I mean I'm, I'm on the forgiveness into the scale. Well, when all my buddies get to heaven, they're gonna look over in the corner and they say, dad got me how. Bertie, get in here. God must have lowered his standards. But anyway, but I'm not worried about that because as a Christian I'm, I don't mess with the demonic element, but I do know that I'm protected because I am a Christian. But. And as far as all the other goes, I think we've got something in one of these labs and what they've done is, is they put it in a. And it's not for you and it's Freedom of Information act because they put it in a, in a non government corporation. Because Congress, as a congressman, I can FOIA anybody. But they don't have to come. I can only fool you. Government or government, more or less government associated entities. So like Ford Motor Company, I want to find out, you know, why are they going off on something else? You know, why are they doing electric? I could FOIA them, but they're not going to respond. They don't have to respond, but say the FBI or somebody else, they generally have to respond at some point. So what they've done is they've gotten this material or a craft or a humanoid or whatever it is and they put it off on these government contractors. So there's probably five or six of them that we know. They're, you know, they're the, the major,

C (11:47)

the big boys, Raytheon, that sort of thing.

D (11:50)

Yeah, but the war pimps industrial war complex or I call them war pimps, which they're, they don't like it when I do that. So I'm calling them war pimps because I don't care. I'm over. They're all a bunch of portfolio warriors. And I got an 18 year old daughter and I don't want to see her going overseas fighting any dad gum war. But they do this and it's so compartmentalized that nobody really knows what the other one's doing. Case in point, I knock on doors. That's how Tim Burchett gets elected. The big boys don't shower me with money to get elected. They always support me the day after the election, you know, and I get $25 and a Bible verse from a sweet little lady. That's the people that elect Tim Burchett. And I dig that. So I'm knocking on doors. That's how I get elected. And I'm out in, in the Farragut community, which is west of Knoxville in Knox county, and this guy comes to the door and he's got his flag out. I said, were you a veteran? And he kind of said, no, no, I really wasn't. And I said, and he was sort of acted like he was almost ashamed. And I said. He said, really? What? Because he's an older gentleman. I said, what'd you do during the war? And he said, well, actually I worked at Oak Ridge. And I said, you know, my daddy was on Okinawa when they thought they were going to invade. Daddy fought on Pale Lou and Okinawa. He's in the Marine Corps. He said, they thought they were gonna, gonna have to invade Japan. I said, and if, if he were here, he'd hug your neck and thank you. And the guy said, you know, the funny thing is, and this is what I go back to, the UFO thing is this. My wife worked with me at Oak Ridge as well on the nuclear project. And because, you know, the nukes, if we hadn't dropped the nuclear bomb, we would have the nuclear bombs, we would have had it invade Japan and my dad probably would have died.

C (13:35)

Right, right.

D (13:35)

And so. And my life would be totally different now. But, but my point in this is that his wife, who work with him at, at, at Oak Ridge National Laboratory, he was married to at the time, he did not know what she did. It was that compartmentalized. And that is exactly what you're seeing now. But now everybody's got a book, and I mean, they're going to do a book deal, they got a computer, they got a web page or something, and they leak it out. So what's happened is Roswell, New Mexico, whether you argue something did or did not seem to believe something did happen there, I don't. I think I have a general idea. But anyway, the information they gathered there then has been put, farmed out to one of these corporations, and anybody that had any association with it now is dead. And that is the best compartmentalization you can have. They've got stuff, they don't know where it came from or who brought it to them, but they've got it. And so in. The technology is so advanced, in my opinion, from what I've heard, it would be like, and I'm a motorcycle guy, so if you brought somebody, a brand new Indian chief or a big Harley Fat Boy or something, and you dropped it on the people that came over here on the Mayflower, it just be a bright shiny object, dude, they might, they might. One day figure out how to start it. They probably not going to get the fuel because the octane they sure as heck couldn't clean the injectors. You know, they, they wouldn't know how to change a spark plug, any of that. And that is exactly what I think has happened to us with this stuff. Now is it interdimensional? Are these. There's a law of. And I always forget which one it is. It's a, it's a, it's a scientific law that it's just basically if something. Over there been proven and all your scientific people will be text you say that idiot such and such and I just can't remember what it is but I always want to write it down. I tell my folks in D.C. remember what this is. And, but anyway and to me that proves there's a God because science proves a God because it can be here and instantaneously be over here. And so if that is a capability that something can travel like that, that would prove, you know, light years, if something travels light years, it's just not possible that you could survive. You would you would you need nourishment. You know, the closest planets are you know, thousand light years. So it travels at the speed of light. Takes a thousand years to get here. It just the friction and all that is not possible for us as we know it. So all that combined to me I just think that, that there's a lot of confusion and there's a lot of misinformation out there and the only dadgum person that's going to be able to put this out is Donald J. Trump. And I've. And he has to because you're not going to get the scientific, you're not going to get these bureaucrats that are know it alls and everybody's and, and there's a economic component to it and there's also an arrogance component which is what Washington, Washington is about power, control and money. Right. So I had a disclosure bill. It was two pages long. You can tell I'm not much into all the bs. I don't need a bunch of weather force and you know, and when I go into questioning I don't talk about what a great day it is and how this person is this. I just go straight for the juggler.

C (17:13)

Yeah.

D (17:14)

And so I bill for disclosure was two pages. Well the UFO community and everybody and all the bureaucrats love the Senate version by Chuck Schumer. Oh, Chuck Schumer's on board. He was the rank, the number one most powerful member of the Senate, and he couldn't get the bill. I'm throwing up air quotes. He couldn't pass it, right? He couldn't pass. And that's total bs. You know, he can make it rain and he can make it rain right now.

C (17:42)

So it's only the president, really, who could get this done. Two last questions before I let you go. One, do you think that we will have disclosure of whatever information we have regarding the UFOs? And two, just something you mentioned just now. What do you think happened at Roswell?

D (18:00)

No, we will not have disclosure. I don't think so. I just don't. I think it's too deep, and I think it's too. It's too strong. And they're going to claim military intelligence. You know, it weakens our military, which is what the Schumer bill did. And so anyway, no. Heck no. We're not going to ever get it. They don't want it out. And I don't think I'll have it on this side of eternity. Maybe my daughter's generation will hear something, but I. I just don't. I'm going to keep busting their ass on it, though. Don't get me wrong. I'm going to keep fighting. I'm a flagrant fence swinger, dude. I swing for the fence every dadgum time. And. I'm sorry, what was your second question, brother?

C (18:41)

Well, you mentioned you think you have an idea of what happened at Roswell, probably the most famous incident of UFOs. Do you? What do you think happened?

D (18:49)

And I'll tell you how I got it. I was. I used to have a truck and trailer business, and I was putting this guy's trailer hitch on and. And I remember he had a jeep, and this was probably, I don't know, 20 years ago. And he was. And he was out in the shop, he was smoking a cigarette, and I looked at his license plate and it said New Mexico. I was a state senator in Tennessee. This was years ago. And I said, hey, New Mexico. I go, you ever heard of Roswell? And he said, yeah. He goes, my dad was in the Army Air Corps. And see, the Army Air Corps preceded the Air force. And in 47, when Roswell, I think occurred, we still had an Army Air Corps. And then my ears perked up because I realized this guy knew what he was talking about because I knew. Studied military. Daddy was in the Pacific. My mama flew an airplane during the Second World War. So I knew a little bit about the Air Corps. And. And he said, I said, I said, yeah, I Said, you ever heard about that UFO thing? He goes, as a matter of fact, my dad worked at that base. I was an, you know, army brat, whatever you call it, Air. Army, Air Corps brat. And he. I said, really? He said, yeah. He said, we always thought that it was. What we'd heard and saw was that there was an explosion in the air. So apparently two craft hit each other, and there's a documented case of a very similar in a time. In that time period of a crash somewhere else in the world, maybe Russia or something else. And I can't remember all the details, but it was a long distance away, so you'd think something traveling at supersonic speeds, you know, would be over there pretty quick. And he said, and that was it. And he said all the other stuff was. Was a big cover up, you know, and they had this Air Force officer, I remember, in the 90s or something, and it was like, case closed. And he was a smart aleck and he was fat, and he was doing this press conference. And I remember my daddy and I were watching it. Daddy said, yeah, I don't buy that. I don't buy that at all. That was like I was an arrogant jerk. And so, yeah, I think there was a midair collision. I think there was a cover up. I mean, the press, the army put out saucer recovered. Now, how do you go from a hot air balloon to saucer recovered? And they're saying, oh, we were. We were covering up because we didn't want the Russians to know we had this dadgum hot air balloon. I mean, give me a freaking break, you know, a hot air. Are you kidding me? They were. They knew we had. When. When Drummond was. Was that. Was it Potsdam or wherever it was, and after Roosevelt had died and Stalin was there, and Stalin knew we'd already detonated an atomic bomb because they had people on the ground there. Listen, this ain't. Do not believe the government. Do not trust them. I don't care what they. I don't care if it's bad to.

C (21:48)

I'm with you, Congressman. That is my. I would say that is my political gut instinct, is when. When the government seems to really want me to believe something, I say there's gotta be a lot more to the story. Congressman, I greatly appreciate your making the time, especially on the road amid everything else, and we'll see what happens. I think you're probably right on disclosure, but who knows? Maybe they will disclose it, the world will become unglued, and we won't sleep it ever again. Good to see you sir, thank you for being here.

D (22:19)

Hey, it's an honor, brother. Real pleasure being on with you. What kind of cigars do you smoke?

C (22:24)

You know, this is providential, Congressman. This is my very own cigar. Mayflower cigars. You just mentioned the Mayflower. I think that that coincidence has to do with even more cosmic forces than the aliens. I think it goes up even higher than that. But we'll have to get you some. Congressman, I would very much look forward to a cigar and hearing more about the things that you won't say on air for next time.

D (22:48)

Thank you, brother. I'd love to talk to you. See you back.

C (22:50)

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E (25:47)

And I would actually argue, and this is a bold statement, a democratic republic is the greatest government experiment in the history of humanity. I would say I've enjoyed it. I've enjoyed it. Yeah, so we enjoy it. I love America. You love America. I do. Capitalism should not be anywhere near Christianity. You think Christianity is more, and I don't like the word socialist with the, with the, the weight it carries. But Christianity and it's. Is socialism at its core, non authoritarian. It's, it's, it's the marker to build social capital. You look at that early Church of Acts and it transformed Rome within a couple hundred years. The greatest superpower of its time to where Constantine was like, I'm a Christian, hanging out with these dudes. They had no money, they had no buildings. But somehow the love of their neighbor transformed the greatest superpower of its time. That's dangerous.

C (26:42)

Okay, so what this guy just said is completely, totally, unequivocally, without exception, wrong. Totally wrong and crazy. Now look, he's not a theologian, he's a filmmaker. So I don't know how seriously he takes religion. I don't know how much he's thought about this. But in any case, he's made an egregious error by saying that Christianity is socialist. And it's tragic because he could have made a good point. There is a good point that he could have made. But he didn't. The way I know that Christianity is not socialist is. On the one hand we have this guy Nathan Apfel, who says Christianity at its core is socialist. On the other hand, we have blessed Pope Pius ix who describes socialism as a wicked theory that would, quote, overthrow the entire order of human affairs. Pope Leo XIII calls socialism a hideous deformity of the civil society of men and almost its ruin, calls socialists a seditious society. Pope Pius XI says that socialism is fundamentally contrary to Christian truth, says that socialism is based nevertheless on a theory of human society peculiar to itself and irreconcilable with true Christianity. Religious socialism, Christian socialism are contradictory terms. No one can be at the same time a good Catholic and a true socialist. Pope John xxiii, who's actually a pretty liberal pope, unlike Pius ix, who started out liberal, became very, very conservative. Pope Leo xiii, who was kind of. He appeals to both the left and the right, but he's more of a conservative figure then Pope Pius xi. Very conservative. Pope John XXIII is considered a more liberal pope. He said, in no uncertain terms, no Catholic could subscribe even to moderate socialism. Socialism is anathema from the Christian perspective. I could go on. I could quote St. Paul VI, St. John Paul II, Pope Benedict XVI. You get the point. No, Christianity is not in any sense socialist. It is a major theological and historical misunderstanding that would lead anyone to say that. Now, the point that Tucker's guest could have made that is worth pointing out, is that there are problems with capitalism too. It's not that we say Christianity is not socialist, therefore it is entirely capitalist. That is not the case. There is an important aspect of capitalism for Christianity. You see this in the writings of Pope Leo xiii. You see this reaffirmed by John Paul II in Chantesimus annus on the 100th anniversary of Pope Leo XIII's encyclical Rerum Novarum. Capitalism, which is just to say private property and markets, can be a good thing. John Paul II said that free markets are the most efficient way to allocate goods around society. And Pope Leo XIII went further to say that people have a right to their private property. The socialists and the communists say, you have no right whatsoever to your private property. Leo XIII says, no, you do have a right to private property. However, this is the crucial part. It is not an absolute right because of something that Christians call the universal destination of goods, the. That is to say that created goods are for ultimately humanity. However, it is important as a matter of dignity, as a matter of the efficient allocation of resources. As a matter of functioning societies that we have private property, but it's a conditional right. It's conditioned on the notion that there is in fact a universal destination of goods. So what we would say is not three cheers for capitalism. We would say two cheers for capitalism. Capitalism is good, but we don't want the tail to wag the dog. We're not a society, we're not human beings living in service of an economic market. However, the economy is to be arranged in such a way that it is conducive to human flourishing. Socialism gets no cheers. Socialism is wicked, evil, totally contrary to the Christian faith. People who think Christianity is socialist just don't get it. You know they're not gonna make it. However, there are critiques of pure capitalism, laissez faire capitalism, hyper individualist capitalism that are legitimate from a Christian perspective. But folks, let's not be so contrarian that we're gonna pretend that socialism goes along with Christianity. Quite the opposite. Socialism and communism arising from false premises about human nature have been enemies of the church from day one. Okay, speaking of Christianity, great news. Conversion's way way up and the libs fighting Christians tooth and nail. Catholic nuns now being punished. Catholic nuns who are caring for terminally ill poor people being punished cuz they won't accept transgenderism. And a new trans initialism comes out in Canada. First though, I want to tell you about PureTalk. Go to PureTalk.com knowles K N A W L E S I've worked with PureTalk for a long time now. I've been a Pure Talk customer for a long time now. 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Whereas religion speaks to the eternal questions and the eternal longings of man and eternal truths. And Catholicism in particular is way, way up. Why is Catholicism in particular way, way up? I've mentioned on the show before Alexei de Tocqueville, who wrote Democracy in America, the greatest analysis of American democracy ever. He writes it in around 1830, Alexis de Tocqueville predicted that even though America is a Protestant country, it would tend in two directions as time went on. It would tend toward atheism on the one hand and toward Catholicism on the other. And the reason, Tocqueville said, is because in democracies, you heard Tucker's guest actually say that democratic republican government is the greatest form of government ever. That's in itself a dubious claim, but we'll leave that for another time. Tocqueville observed that if you're gonna have democracy, people under democracy are gonna wanna throw off all authority, including religious authority. So they're gonna become atheists. However, if they are going to accept religious authority at all, because man is a religious creature, he can't get away from those eternal questions. If he's gonna accept religious authority, he wants it to be uniform and universal, which is what you get in Catholicism. There's a distinction between the clergy and the laity, perhaps, but among the laity, everybody's equal. And so he saw, not just because of migration, not just because there were Irish coming into America and Germans coming into America. Those mass waves of immigration actually didn't happen for years after Tocqueville published Democracy in America. What Tocqueville was seeing was something intrinsic, too, in the nature of American Democracy, democracy generally, that would tend toward Catholicism. That's one reason. The other reason is that man is a liturgical creature. And a lot of. A lot of modern Protestantism, not High Church Protestantism, not the Presbyterians and the Anglicans and the Episcopalians, but more of the low church, Evangelical, Baptist, non denominational, capital N, capital D, that kind of Protestantism is less liturgical. They don't have rights and rituals. They often don't have icons. It's much more personalist, it's much more emotivist, and some people like that. I'm not even knocking your tastes or your preferences. I'm just pointing out, man, because we're embodied creatures, we're liturgical creatures. We're creatures of habit. We do things with our bodies, and we do things in patterns, and we do things in cycles and in habits. And so liturgical religion is going to speak to that. We've neglected our physicality for so long. You saw that peak, I think, during the transgender moment, where we said, our bodies have nothing to do with who we really are. And I think it's no coincidence that that year was the turning point. And after that madness had passed, you saw a huge tick up, specifically in liturgical religion. And then the other reason is that subjectivism is exhausted. We've been quoting a lot of popes today. Pope Benedict XVI talked about the poison of subjectivism, this tyranny of subjectivism that had overtaken the west, where we don't really know if anything's true or false. And it doesn't just go back to the 1960s. It goes back much earlier, really. It goes back to Descartes, Rene Descartes, who said, I think therefore I am. And what he concluded was that the only thing that we can really know for certain is that we think things. In other words, the only certain knowledge that we have is what's banging around in our own head, that we don't necessarily interact with reality as such. That was a major break from the scholastics of the Middle Ages, from antiquity, and it, in my view, marked the beginning of the end of a stable civilization. So that trend has been building for hundreds and hundreds of years. I think that reached a tipping point also, really, with the transgender craze, where you say, I can't even know what my sex is. You can't know what anyone's sex is. We can't know anything at all. It tends toward almost a philosophical solipsism. And at that point, people said, nah, you know what? I'm pretty sure there is truth, and I want to touch truth. And I want to touch reality, and I want to be grounded in something real. And that would tend toward the more mainline Protestant churches, the more liturgical churches, but then ultimately toward the Catholic Church, which is the only institution in the west that has survived since antiquity. That's why it's up. Look, I also believe the reason it's up is because of the moving of the Holy Spirit and also because I think that the Catholic Church is divinely instituted. So I obviously believe that. But I'm just observing the sociological reasons why Catholicism in particular is having such a resurgence. Now. No one should be surprised by that. This has been something 500 years in the making. Now, because of that, the libs are really on the move, fighting Catholics in particular. Christians generally, religious people generally, but Catholics in particular, there's this fight. Catholic nuns serving dying patients are now being punished by New York legislators because the New York legislators are insisting on a transgender mandate for pronouns and for rooming. So you have these sisters in New York. It's the Dominican Sisters of Hawthorne. We love our Dominican sisters, one of the great religious orders of all time. The Dominican Sisters of Hawthorne in New York are 125-year-old organization that has done one thing. Taken care of poor, dying people. All you have to do to be taken care of by these sisters is show up, say, I have a terminal illness and no one can take care of me, and they will take care of you. This is as wonderful an organization as ever there was. And the New York legislators are trying to punish them. Cause they're saying, listen, sisters, if a guy shows up and he's a man, but he says that he's a woman, you need to call him a woman. You need to violate your conscience. You need to lie, you need to commit a mortal sin. You need to deny reality. And furthermore, you need to room him with the women. And the sisters say, we can't do that because that's a sin and that's a lie, and it's dangerous, and it's for a billion reasons we can't do that. And the New York legislators are saying, well, we're gonna punish you. This reminds me of Joe Biden when he was vice president in the Joe Biden, nominally a Catholic. It's the Obama administration. What did they do? They sued nuns. Nuns really are a specific type of religious sister, but colloquially, we refer to all religious sisters as nuns. I guess he was suing nuns. He was suing nuns, the little sisters of the poor, because they wouldn't pay for abortions. And I just think as a rule of Thumb. This is hideous stuff. Obviously, if you're in New York, call your legislators. This is disgusting. More persecution of the Church. Christianity being the most persecuted religion in the world, by the numbers. Not even close. But as a general rule of thumb, you know me, I'm not the loftiest intellectual in the world. No false modesty. I'm not. I'm not saying that I'm the deepest theologian or philosopher. I'm a simple man. I'm a political creature. And I like rules of thumb and I like shortcuts. And here's a political shortcut for you. Whichever side of politics is suing nuns, that's the bad guys. And you should be on the other side. Whether we're talking about New York state legislators, whether we're talking about the Spanish Civil War, where the Republicans, the freedom fighters in the Spanish Civil War, open up the war by shooting at a statue of Jesus and then attacking nuns and priests. Those aren't the good guys. Those are the bad guys. They were communists, by the way. They were socialists and communists. A perfidious and wicked society that is contrary to the Christian faith. Just a good rule of thumb. Whatever side is attacking the nuns, be on the other side, okay? Now, speaking of weird sexual identities, a Canadian member of Parliament has dropped a new initialism. LGBTQ is out. There's a new one. We'll get to that momentarily. First, though, wanna tell you about tacovous. Go to tokovis.com knowles anywhere worth going is worth going in good shoes and boots, and our sponsor, Tokovas makes the best. Can I do? Am I flexible enough to show you? Let me see if I can. 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The producers picked the comment. And here's the comment they picked. We'll see if I like it. From colexn7. No. As a certified person who's never worked in firefighting, never spoken with a fire marshal, please trim that candle wick before it burns the place down. Stay safe. Okay, you know, what is this? Members of the makeup and wardrobe staff writing it to me right now because they tell me all that they say, michael, you gotta trim your wick. So is that a euphemism? They said, no, you have to get this thing. They gave me a thing. Did you know this, men? I'm sure the women knew this in the audience. Did you know there's such a thing as a wick trimmer? And you're supposed to cut. You're supposed to clip with this little tool. Looks like a medieval torture device. You're supposed to clip the wick on your candle. I'm a candle mogul and I didn't know that for a very long time. Anyway, lots of combustibles on the table today that I have produced the candles and the Mayflower. Dawn Churchill, a new initialism has dropped. Just when you had learned the LGBTQ lmnop Just when you learned that that one's out because a member of Parliament in Canada has a new one.

B (44:42)

Deal with the ongoing Genocide of MMIWG2SLGBTQIA this is abhorrent.

C (44:49)

Did you know there was a genocide going on? A genocide of M, m, I, W, G2L, G, B, T, Q, QIA plus people. I looked it up. It stands for missing and murdered Indigenous women, girls and two spirit. Two spirit, which is a term that they say it's an indigenous native term going back centuries and millennia. It actually was invented by a lesbian activist in 1990, and she said that the term came to her in a dream. So it's not. Has no connection really whatsoever to ancient indigenous communities. Anyway, on top of that, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, questioning intersex and asexual plus people. So the addition here, it's not just the weird sex stuff, it's the missing and murdered part. Missing and murdered. So not only have these people been oppressed by the bathroom laws and the girls volleyball team rules. No. They're also now being murdered and kidnapped. The libs have taken this up, some extreme libs, like this member of Parliament, and blamed colonialism for this. They've said, you know, it's colonialism, it's racism, it's prejudice, it's the patriarchy that is attacking the mmqplb, whatever. But I looked it up because that didn't sound right to me. And it turns out that when you try to figure out who is murdering these people, 80 to 86% of the time, the people doing the murdering are intimate partners, spouses, family members, and acquaintances. In other words, the people who are murdering the MMIWG2 LGBTQQQIA people are the MMIWG2 LGBTQIA people. That's who's doing it. Which has always been the case. There was this meme some years ago, like three or four years ago, that said, you know, trans women of color are being murdered around this country, and then you look who they're being murdered by, and they're being murdered by other LGBTQ elementop people. Most of them are prostitutes and drug addicts who are being killed in criminal acts by other people of the same community. Has nothing to do with the other communities. That's who it is. So, anyway, my heart goes out to the mm, et cetera people. But if they are being m' ed and m', ed, if they're going missing and being murdered, then the people to blame most of the almost all the time are the other people in that community, and they should probably get their act together. Speaking of gender politics, Lawrence o' Donnell of MSNBC is really upset with Pete Hegseth and with the Trump administration specifically. Really upset over that rescue mission in Iran that got the downed pilot on Easter Sunday. And you say, well, how could he be upset? Because it was a complete success and there were no American casualties in it. It was just this amazing rescue of a guy who seemed totally hopeless. So what could Lawrence o' Donnell possibly be upset about in that mission? Take a listen.

F (48:13)

That brilliant rescue was described by the Secretary of Defense and by General Dan Kaine, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, as a long standing American military rule of never leaving anyone behind.

C (48:30)

We leave no man behind.

F (48:33)

That is, of course, the old school version of the idea back when only men flew American military planes. General Dan Kane, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, put it this

D (48:46)

way, we leave no one behind.

F (48:52)

The general knows, unlike Pete Hegseth, that that could have been a woman they were trying to rescue and it might be a woman the next time.

C (49:04)

Perfect. Perfect. Love it. You can just imagine Lawrence o' Donnell stranded on a desert island, stranded on a desert island with, you know, his, his sister, his daughter. They're there on the island and when all hope is lost, someone shows up, says, hey, I've got a rescue boat. Sir, ma', am, I have a rescue boat. Did you just call my daughter ma'?

D (49:30)

Am?

C (49:31)

Did you assume. Did you assume her gender?

D (49:35)

How dare you?

C (49:36)

I've got. You're going to die. You're on the brink of death. Please get on the ship. A tsunami is coming. Please. Did you just misgender? I'll stay right here, thank you very much. Just the to. This is how you know. This is how you know that in spite of everything and the fallen nature of the world and the fact that politics is always gonna be kind of broken, there's always gonna be something to complain about. This is how you know the Trump administration is doing a great job. This is how you know the administration is doing a great job even in something relatively controversial like this operation in Iran. This is how you know they're doing a really bang up job at the end of the day when all is said and done. You know how I know? Because the best thing that Lawrence o' Donnell could find to criticize is Pete Hegseth saying, leave no man behind. Because man, by the way, is a gender neutral term, just as he is the gender neutral first person, third person singular pronoun. But if that's the best thing these guys have to criticize, there's nothing to criticize. You know, they would love to criticize oil going to $150 or $200 a barrel, but oil actually just plunged after the announcement of the ceasefire to $90 a barrel. They would love to complain about rampant inflation elsewhere. Eggs hitting 10, $11 a dozen, as they did under Biden. But you know what? They can't. Eggs have declined 63%. They would love to complain about crime surging around the country. They can't because Trump tackled the crime. They would love to find some way to complain about immigration, even though they're pro mass migration, pro illegal immigration. But they'd love to find a way to complain about it. They can't, really. Not right now. They're complaining about the phrase leave no man. They're complaining that when the military pulled off the most amazing rescue probably ever in American history with no casualties whatsoever, they didn't use the politically correct noun. It's a good mark for Trump. Okay, so much more to get to. I want to get to this CIA crazy super weapon speaking of that rescue, but I don't have time. So you have to wait for tomorrow. Today's theology Thursday. The rest of the show continues now. You do not want to miss it. Become a member. Use code knowlescannawles at checkout for two months free on all annual plans. Sam.