FEMINISM: Michael Knowles Vs Melonie Mac | FACE OFF

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Michael Knowles Show – "FEMINISM: Michael Knowles Vs Melonie Mac | FACE OFF"

Episode Theme
In this lively, debate-style game show, Michael Knowles and Melonie Mac square off to test their knowledge and opinions on the subject of feminism, both past and present. The episode uses a trivia format with pointed commentary, jokes, and cultural critiques to dissect the impact of feminism on society, relationships, and politics—often through a skeptical, right-leaning lens. The hosts spar over facts, statistics, and generational trends, all while maintaining a playful and irreverent tone.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Banter & Tone Setting (00:30–02:14)

• The episode begins with jokes at both participants’ expense, setting a playful, confrontational mood.
• Memorable quote:
  Host (00:42): “Fat man, little boy, and feminism. Three of the most destructive creations of the 20th century... Now, some would argue today's topic is by far the most destructive of the three. Feminism.”
• Both guests clarify that, despite popular assumptions, neither identifies as a feminist, especially not a “radical third wave” one (02:00).

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2. Trivia Face-Off: Game Structure (02:14–04:00)

• The hosts compete in answering trivia questions related to feminism and gender trends; the format includes brief debates over scoring rules.
• Stakes: Loser delivers a glowing pitch for the winner (02:18).

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3. Perceptions of Feminism in Dating (03:10–05:00)

• Trivia reveals that 55% of American men would be less likely to date a self-identified feminist.
• Only 39% of women said they’d avoid a male feminist.
• Notable exchange:
  Melonie (04:46): “Are these feminist women going after these soy male feminists? Usually not.”
  Michael (04:52): “There's nothing hotter than making me pick up the check, right?”
• Both agree social desirability bias may skew survey results.

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4. Historical Gender Attitudes and Suffrage (05:01–07:20)

• 96% of Massachusetts women (in ~1896) were opposed or indifferent to suffrage.
• Michael explains the philosophical underpinning behind early anti-suffrage arguments: shifting “the bedrock unit of politics from the family to the individual.”
• The panel discusses modern misconceptions about the suffrage movement and early feminists being more radical than often remembered.

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5. Modern Policy & Social Satire: OnlyFans ‘Syntax’ (07:22–07:59)

• Proposed Florida tax on OnlyFans creators: 50%.
• Both panelists critique the proposal as excessive and make tongue-in-cheek suggestions (“should have just gone to 75%”) but agree it's likely political pandering.

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6. Physical Strength Between Sexes and Cultural Memes (08:02–09:53)

• Average female grip strength is ~60% of average male's.
• Lighthearted banter about gym memberships and pickle jar stereotypes.

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7. Feminist Slogans and Cultural Clichés (09:14–10:07)

• The 1970s slogan: “A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.”
• The segment pokes fun at modern and retro feminist rhetoric.

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8. Dating App Realities and Gender Dynamics (10:12–11:05)

• On Tinder, women swipe right (show interest) on only 14% of male profiles, while men swipe right on 46% of female profiles.
• Michael observes he "barely missed" the dating app era, but is struck by the low female selection rate.

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9. Divorce Statistics and Gender Trends (12:36–13:50)

• Women initiate 70% of divorces in the US; among college-educated women, this rises to 90%.
• Michael Knowles (13:25): “That’s bad. Wow. Sweet little Elisa has her PhD... she realizes she shouldn’t divorce me and get half my stuff; she should kill me and get all my stuff.”

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10. Gen Z and Feminist Identification (14:01–15:11)

• 53% of Gen Z women identify as feminists—lower than guessed.
• Discussion notes a trend towards political polarization, with Gen Z “more of everything”—more extreme on both ends.

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11. Cultural Shifts: Cooking at Home (15:45–17:43)

• The share of women cooking at home most days dropped from 92% (1960s) to 68% (late 2000s) (now reportedly rebounding slightly).
• Melonie describes her personal, carnivore-keto meals: "a lot of steaks, ground beef and eggs."

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12. UN Predictions and Gender Equality (17:47–18:56)

• The UN predicts full global gender equality will take 300 years at current pace.
• Michael Knowles (18:56): “...if you really want to know...the real answer for, like, equality, the way they mean it, like feminist equality, is infinity years. That’s how long it’s going to take.”

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13. Domestic Violence and Lesbian Relationships (19:27–22:45)

• Lesbian women are 25 percentage points more likely than heterosexual women to report experiencing domestic violence.
• Extended joking commentary about statistical relevance and the nature of same-sex female relationships.
• Notable quote:
  Melonie (22:45): “If a woman settles down with another woman, she already lost the game. It’s like she couldn’t get the man, so she just didn’t want to be alone.”

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14. Fourth Wave Feminism: Definitions (23:23–25:33)

• Fourth wave feminism is most associated with intersectionality and online activism.
• Melonie offers a satirical answer: “...they want to bow down to the troons. So they want to be replaced by men.”
• Michael learns about the origin of the slang term “troon” (25:18).

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15. Female Protagonists in Film (25:46–27:05)

• Female leads in top-grossing films rose to 42% (2024), but dropped to 29% (2025).
• Discussion about "Lady Boss" movie trends and perceived audience fatigue.

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16. Women Self-Identifying as Feminist (27:45–28:55)

• According to Pew, 61% of U.S. women say “feminist” describes them well.
• Panel expresses skepticism about data consistency; theorize older women may identify as feminist due to life frustration.

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17. Unpaid Domestic Labor (29:05–29:58)

• Women perform over 75% of the world’s unpaid care and domestic work.
• Michael Knowles (29:23): “How about you have a home to live in and food to eat and clothes to wear. What is this unpaid?”

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18. Departures from Entertainment for Stereotyping (30:41–32:39)

• 25% of women say they've stopped watching a show/movie due to lack of female characters/stereotypes; number rises to 46% for millennials.
• Both hosts doubt veracity: “Not one of them has turned off a movie because it didn’t have enough chicks.”

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19. Political Demographics: Democrats and Gender (32:48–33:54)

• 55% of Democratic voters are women (Pew, 2024).
• Extended confusion/clarification over how question is worded and data are interpreted.

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20. Bonus: Women in Gaming (34:46–36:16)

• 47% of U.S. gamers are female (includes mobile/casual games).
• Melonie argues this is misleading: “They’re counting like Candy Crush and crap. Like they’re not counting actual like gamer games.”
• Michael Knowles (35:51): “...the modal gamer...is really a 14-year-old boy saying the N-word on a first person shooter, right?”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Host (00:42): “Fat man, little boy, and feminism. Three of the most destructive creations of the 20th century.”
• Michael Knowles (06:58): “People don’t realize what a minority view women’s suffrage is.”
• Melonie Mac (04:46 & 22:45): “Are these feminist women going after these soy male feminists? Usually not... If a woman settles down with another woman, she already lost the game.”
• Michael Knowles (18:56): “...the real answer for, like, equality, the way they mean it, like feminist equality, is infinity years.”
• Melonie Mac (17:08): describing her carnivore diet.
• Michael Knowles (13:25): “She realizes she shouldn’t divorce me and get half my stuff; she should kill me and get all my stuff.”
• Melonie Mac (25:01): Explains the etymology of “troon.”
• Michael Knowles (31:38): “Millennials might be the most insufferable generation.”

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Final Score & Conclusion

• Michael Knowles wins the trivia contest.
• Melonie delivers a tongue-in-cheek promotional pitch in his honor:
  Melonie (36:37): “Michael Knowles is the best pickle jar opener you will ever find... He could be the best feminist in the world if he wanted to, but instead he knows that feminism is a scam…”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Opening Banter: 00:30–02:14
• Trivia Rules & Structure: 02:14–04:00
• Men/Americans & Feminist Dating Aversion: 03:10–05:00
• Suffrage Opposition Stats & History: 05:01–07:20
• OnlyFans Tax Satire: 07:23–07:59
• Physical Strength & Gender Memes: 08:02–09:53
• Feminist Slogans: 09:14–10:07
• Tinder Swipe Stats: 10:12–11:05
• Divorce Trends: 12:36–13:50
• Gen Z Women & Feminism: 14:01–15:11
• Cooking at Home Decline: 15:45–17:43
• UN & Gender Equality: 17:47–18:56
• Domestic Violence in Lesbian Couples: 19:27–22:45
• Fourth Wave Feminism: 23:23–25:33
• Female Film Protagonists: 25:46–27:05
• Women Identifying as Feminist: 27:45–28:55
• Unpaid Care Work: 29:05–29:58
• Entertainment Preferences: 30:41–32:39
• Democratic Voters by Gender: 32:48–33:54
• Women in Gaming (Bonus): 34:47–36:16
• Melonie’s Victory Pitch: 36:37–37:27

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Overall, the episode fuses competitive trivia with biting social commentary, highlighting cultural and generational divides on feminism while satirizing pop culture narratives and data-driven claims. The tone is brisk, irreverent, and at times, deliberately provocative—providing both entertainment and fodder for debate.

Transcript

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[Melanie Mack]

If you have just two emotional women that just keep going, keep going. And like, it's like if a woman settles down with another woman, she already lost the game.

[Michael Knowles]

That is the intro clip to this episode, and there is no debate about it.

[Host/Moderator]

Fat man, little boy, and feminism. Three of the most destructive creations of the 20th century, responsible for wiping out entire generation, destroying society, and also making two large explosions. Now, some would argue today's topic is by far the most destructive of the three. Feminism. And to discuss this weapon of mass destruction, we've assembled two people who many assume must be feminists. In one corner, Michael Knowles, who codes feminists because his physical aptitude testing would land him among most adolescent women.

[Michael Knowles]

Real nice.

[Host/Moderator]

And the other, Melanie Mack, who codes feminist because she dresses like a My Chemical Romance groupie. Seventeen questions, one winner. This is Face Off Feminism. Welcome to the show, everybody.

[Michael Knowles]

Great work on that intro.

[Melanie Mack]

That was inspiring, that description.

[Michael Knowles]

Wow.

[Melanie Mack]

I am a big My Chemical Romance fan, so it does check out.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah. Regardless of my views on Mr. Davies, it's lovely to see you, Melanie. I'm glad to have you here.

[Melanie Mack]

Hi. It's been a long time. I'm so happy to be back.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay, so I. Look, all of my knowledge of feminism has basically just been imbued by the popular culture with a little Mary Wollstonecraft and others thrown in. Are you. You're obviously a radical third wave feminist, right, Melanie?

[Melanie Mack]

Oh, no, definitely not. So, yeah, my experience with feminism is people assuming I'm gonna be a feminist and then getting really shocked when I say things that are not feminist. So, yeah, it's a fun time.

[Michael Knowles]

All right, well, before we repeal the 19th, let's get going on some of these questions.

[Host/Moderator]

I'll read a question. Each host has 30 seconds to scribble down their answer. The loser, they must deliver a glowing 30 second pitch for the winner. Y' all ready?

[Melanie Mack]

Ooh.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay, I'm ready.

[Host/Moderator]

All right, Here we go. 1. What percentage of American men said they would be less likely to date someone who identifies as feminist? Now, we're not gonna do closest with going over. Cause Michael loves Doing all this test

[Michael Knowles]

taking, you have to do closest without going over, or else you can tie.

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah, we could do American Taka. Yeah, we could tie. It's fine. But I don't want someone to do like, 49 and someone to do like 50 or something like that. And then it's just. I don't know. Then it goes like, whoever.

[Michael Knowles]

No, but that would only. Ben, that would only be a problem if we were. One of us was saying the answer after the others was revealed. This is just a way. Why do I even let you run this show? That's it. This is the closest to that going over.

[Host/Moderator]

All right, fine, fine. All right, close. Without going over.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay, hold on.

[Host/Moderator]

You have 30 seconds.

[Michael Knowles]

Hold on, hold on. Now you got this clock on me

[Host/Moderator]

now. This is men saying this.

[Melanie Mack]

I just wanna know if they're being honest or if they're scared that women are gonna hear them say it. But.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, clearly the latter.

[Carrington College Announcer]

But.

[Michael Knowles]

All right, I've got my answer.

[Melanie Mack]

Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

All right, Mike, what do you have?

[Michael Knowles]

I say 39%.

[Host/Moderator]

Okay.

[Melanie Mack]

I said 62%.

[Michael Knowles]

The correct answer.

[Melanie Mack]

I'm honest.

[Host/Moderator]

The correct answer is 55% of the time.

[Michael Knowles]

Let's go. Oh, yeah. I wanna point out, had we done your stupid rule, Ben. No, I guess I stole. No, had we done your stupid rule, I would have lost that one. But now I won that one. All right, I like my rule better.

[Host/Moderator]

Almost like there's some home cooking going on here, Michael.

[Michael Knowles]

All right, all right.

[Host/Moderator]

There's a bonus question for both of you. What percent of women said they'd be less likely to date a man that said they're a feminist?

[Melanie Mack]

Oh.

[Michael Knowles]

Are they being honest with themselves?

[Melanie Mack]

Yeah, that's what I want to know too.

[Host/Moderator]

And remember the house cooking here, Melanie.

[Michael Knowles]

Mm. Well done.

[Melanie Mack]

I'm really banking on them being honest. Or at least mostly.

[Host/Moderator]

All right, what do we have?

[Michael Knowles]

29%.

[Host/Moderator]

The correct answer is 39%.

[Michael Knowles]

Let's go 39.

[Melanie Mack]

If they're being honest. If they were being honest, I would be just cleaning house right now.

[Michael Knowles]

Even if they were being honest with themselves, I bet they wouldn't even admit it to themselves.

[Melanie Mack]

That's true. I don't think they would. Because if you actually see in practice, are these feminist women going after these soy male feminists? Usually not.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah. Oh, there's nothing hotter than making me pick up the check. Right? No one actually believes that. They might say that, but they don't really.

[Melanie Mack]

Exactly.

[Host/Moderator]

All right, number two. In Massachusetts, before suffrage passed, roughly what share of women were said to be either opposed to suffrage or. Or indifferent to it. This is a 52%, b 68%, c 81% or d 96%. What percent said they were opposed or indifferent to?

[Michael Knowles]

In what year are we talking?

[Host/Moderator]

I don't want to give you the year.

[Michael Knowles]

What do you mean? Before, if it's 1603, you know that's going to be different.

[Host/Moderator]

Massachusetts. I mean, I don't know if that helps.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, Massachusetts was settled in 1620, but that could be anywhere from 1620 to 1920.

[Host/Moderator]

It's like it was 1896 or something like that.

[Michael Knowles]

I see. I pried it out of you. You said, I don't want to tell you what it is. But then you did tell me what it is.

[Host/Moderator]

You're just abusing me. This whole episode, you're taking it over. It's almost as if you're hosting it.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay, all right, I got my answer. I think.

[Host/Moderator]

All right, what do you have?

[Melanie Mack]

Okay, the C. Oh, yeah, I think we did. We picked the same one.

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah. Now C was 81%. The correct answer is 96%.

[Michael Knowles]

Oh, it was 96. 96. Wow.

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

Had that been closest without not going over, I would have gotten that point. 96. I almost pushed it. I almost clicked because yeah, people don't realize what a minority view, women's suffrage is. And there were women who were opposed to it, who wrote really eloquently, really beautifully, their arguments against it. And it wasn't about women being inferior or men. What it really was about was reformulating the bedrock unit of politics from the family to. To the individual. So it was actually a very profound political philosophical view that the blue haired suffragettes, the purple hairs, well, there's one purple haired lady that I like at least, but the rest of them, the ones in the early 20th century, they really were the radical feminists that you know today. They were like, they were witches plus change plus c' est la mem Chose.

[Melanie Mack]

Yeah. And these other women are like, hey, I don't wanna be like that. I don't wanna live like that.

[Host/Moderator]

Also to note too. Cause I was going through and proofing these to make sure they're correct in chatgpt and we got to this one, it was like just star asterisk by just so you know, this is using a lot of anti women propaganda and like anti subversive. It's like, okay, but is it real or not? But yeah, it really is.

[Michael Knowles]

Just because it's propaganda doesn't mean it's not true.

[Host/Moderator]

Are you sure you want a percent?

[Michael Knowles]

All right.

[Host/Moderator]

Number three, what percent is the proposed syntax in Florida for OnlyFans creators?

[Michael Knowles]

Is this the James Fishback thing? The guy running for governor? I think I read about this.

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah. What would that.

[Melanie Mack]

I think I did, too.

[Michael Knowles]

Closest without going over According tax on OnlyFans earnings.

[Host/Moderator]

Yes.

[Michael Knowles]

75.

[Host/Moderator]

20. The correct answer is 50%. Melanie's back in the game.

[Melanie Mack]

Finally.

[Michael Knowles]

Hoisted with my own petard. That's frustrating.

[Melanie Mack]

Let's go.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

You think if he was trying to remove it, they should have just gone to 75, though? Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

99. Yeah. Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

All right, it's time for my favorite question. This is the pickle jar question. If the average man is at 100% grip strength, where does the average woman land? Okay, so how close is she to the 100% line? This may apply to nulls. I'm not sure.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, real nice. I opened a jar. I actually had trouble with it. Elisa comes in. I was doing work in the office. She comes in. She was like, Mac, you gotta open this. And I was like, yeah, yeah. It's a little slippery. I don't. You know, I think my hands are a little greasy or something, but I got it open.

[Host/Moderator]

I got it. All right, what do you have?

[Michael Knowles]

42%.

[Host/Moderator]

42. 25. The correct answer is about 60%, so about half. Half the strength.

[Melanie Mack]

Okay.

[Host/Moderator]

Holds his back in it.

[Melanie Mack]

Man, they must have had a lot of, like, soy boys in the study, like, to compare.

[Michael Knowles]

I know they weren't all. They weren't giga chads like your boy. Yeah, yeah.

[Melanie Mack]

I'm thinking, like, yeah, or my. I'm like, okay. Comparing my strength to my dad's. My dad is, like, a billion times stronger than me, so. Yeah. Anyway.

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah, it's kind of a faulty study because just the grip strength, but a jar is, like, full body, so it's like, there's a huge difference, actually.

[Michael Knowles]

Oh, that's true.

[Melanie Mack]

Oh, okay.

[Michael Knowles]

All right.

[Melanie Mack]

I feel you.

[Host/Moderator]

All right, number five, which of these is the iconic feminist analogy slash slogan from the 1970s in the women's movement? Is it, A, a woman needs a man like a bird needs shoes. B, a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle? C, a woman needs a man like a plant needs perfume, or D, a woman needs a man like Knowles needs a gym membership? Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay. This is going to be the whole episode, huh? It's just going to be the whole episode. Wow.

[Melanie Mack]

Okay. Roasted.

[Michael Knowles]

I had one once.

[Host/Moderator]

Well, you keep trying to take over the show. Like, almost doesn't.

[Melanie Mack]

I just got my gym membership again recently.

[Michael Knowles]

I'm excited Hope you're working out enough

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Melanie Mack]

Yeah. We'll have a pickle jar opening contest for the next episode.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

What do you guys have?

[Melanie Mack]

Okay.

[Michael Knowles]

B.

[Host/Moderator]

That is correct.

[Melanie Mack]

B. Oh, okay, let's go.

[Host/Moderator]

Getting tight. All right. On Tinder, what percentage of profiles do women typically swipe right on showing interest? What percent of guys get the swipe? All right, what do you have?

[Michael Knowles]

22.0.3.

[Host/Moderator]

And you're right. Cause it's 14%. Melanie takes it.

[Michael Knowles]

Yay.

[Host/Moderator]

Like, one in ten guys are actually getting the.

[Michael Knowles]

Like, you know, I've never.

[Melanie Mack]

There's, like, a ton more guys on there than girls, and. Yeah, it's.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, that's rough, man. I've never been on the dating apps because I missed it. I just barely missed it. But sweet little Elise and I got back together right before they really became a thing. My buddies would do it, and they'd just be. I mean, they could automate, like one of those little birds in the water, you know, to just, like, keep swiping every single chick. But I knew it was worse for the guys. I didn't realize it was 14%. That's bad.

[Melanie Mack]

It's really rough for the guys. Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

Just so FYI men of people they're attracted to, swiping right on is 46%. So half the ladies out there are dateable according to that.

[Michael Knowles]

I would have thought. I would have thought just as a number, I would have thought it'd be 75%. Because you just think you don't need to actually talk to them. If you match, it's just, like, up your numbers. Right. If you.

[Melanie Mack]

That's true. That's true.

[Michael Knowles]

Wow. Okay.

[Melanie Mack]

Yeah.

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[Michael Knowles]

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[Host/Moderator]

What percentage of divorces in the US are initiated by women? What percent are initiated by women?

[Michael Knowles]

All right, just slightly under 70%.

[Host/Moderator]

The correct answer is 70% on the dot. Wow, that's pretty good.

[Michael Knowles]

I think it's actually like 69.8 or something. I was looking this up somewhat recently, but I'll take my point either way.

[Host/Moderator]

But did you look up what it. Did you look up the percent of when it's college educated women?

[Michael Knowles]

Oh, it's like 150%.

[Host/Moderator]

I couldn't find a specific study on it, but just citing some different law firms like Whitney and Law and Irwin. And Irwin, yeah. They say 90% of college educated women initiate the divorce. 90%.

[Michael Knowles]

That's bad. That's bad. Wow. Sweet little Elisa has her PhD, but she. I think it's kind of like the IQ bell curve meme. Like she's so smart that she realizes she shouldn't divorce me and get half my stuff. She should kill me and get all my stuff. That's how she would take care of the girl.

[Melanie Mack]

There you go. That's something.

[Host/Moderator]

Five, three. Michael.

[Michael Knowles]

All right.

[Host/Moderator]

Whoa. We're in straggly different.

[Melanie Mack]

Gosh. Clearly Michael's the better feminist.

[Michael Knowles]

There is some sexual inequality going on on this program.

[Host/Moderator]

Many people have said. Number eight, what percentage of Gen Z women now identify as feminists? This is Jess. Gen Z. All right, what do you have?

[Michael Knowles]

67.

[Host/Moderator]

60. Y' all are both dead wrong. It is 53%, but Melanie is closer.

[Michael Knowles]

Whoa, great. That's a white film.

[Melanie Mack]

Hey, that's. That's good. Because I know that Gen Z men are getting more conservative, but I thought women weren't. But hey, maybe this is an improvement.

[Michael Knowles]

That's great. This is like the divide politically where people try to say Gen Z is more right wing or more left wing. And the reality is they're just more of everything. So the left wing zoomers are all trannies. And the right wing zoomers are Nazis. You see, on average, they probably stay exactly the same. But I'm glad to see that on the feminine. That's a major move. Wow.

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[Melanie Mack]

I do think I. When I look through TikTok and stuff, I see a lot of these girls, these young girls are like, hey, I'm sick of this. I don't want to pay for dates. I don't want to be in the workforce. I want to stay at home. And so a lot of them, it actually makes sense.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay. The kids are all right.

[Host/Moderator]

That was one of my favorite reaction videos that Knowles did, where it's just like, these women, these liberal women discovering conservative men for the first time. Like, oh, my gosh, he paid for my meal. He opened my door.

[Melanie Mack]

Crazy. Like, whoa.

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah. This is actually the first generation, though. That's been the majority, so it's not looking that great. Okay, so, all right, all right, number nine. In the 1960s, about 92% of women reported cooking at home. Now that number has dropped in the late 2000s. What does it drop to?

[Michael Knowles]

Cooking at home. How frequently?

[Host/Moderator]

I didn't get a frequency of it, but.

[Michael Knowles]

Well, it's not, what, once a year? I think most people have cooked at home once a year. It's not. You're talking every night, every week. You can't. This is a ridiculous question.

[Melanie Mack]

I would assume in their general, like, most. Most days.

[Michael Knowles]

Most.

[Host/Moderator]

I would say most days. Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay. We're just making that up. Okay.

[Host/Moderator]

I think Melanie's taking over now. Here we go.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, okay. That's fine.

[Melanie Mack]

Better than. Better than anything. I'm the Host now.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Okay.

[Michael Knowles]

92. In the 60s. In the late 2000s.

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Oh, come on.

[Michael Knowles]

Thought she meant 2000s.

[Host/Moderator]

Okay.

[Melanie Mack]

Okay.

[Host/Moderator]

Melanie's redoing it.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, you got it.

[Melanie Mack]

I'm redoing it. Cause I was counting it for, like, now.

[Host/Moderator]

Okay.

[Michael Knowles]

All right.

[Host/Moderator]

What do you have, Michael?

[Michael Knowles]

67 again.

[Host/Moderator]

67 what? Dude, it's 68.

[Michael Knowles]

Let's go.

[Host/Moderator]

Oh, wow, you've been reading my notes.

[Michael Knowles]

That was scary. 20%, Melanie, that I know.

[Melanie Mack]

A ton of women don't cook a ton. I cook. I'm just saying.

[Michael Knowles]

What do you cook? What's your specialty?

[Melanie Mack]

Well, I mostly do, like, carnivore meals. Carnivore or keto, but mostly carnivore. So I make, like, a lot of steaks, a lot of just, like, ground beef and eggs and breakfast foods like eggs and sausages and bacon and things like that. So it's pretty easy, but nice.

[Michael Knowles]

I do cook and you're still alive. Well, no. Now, they say that's healthy. Yes, now, because the food pyramid flipped. Now it's like, if you eat broccoli, you're a big fat glutton. And if you eat bacon and eggs for every meal, you're a healthy guy.

[Melanie Mack]

Yeah. Thanks, rfk.

[Michael Knowles]

Love that.

[Melanie Mack]

It's like. Yeah, yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

Have you had your nicotine yet today? You need to have your daily dose. Okay. All right. All right, Mr. Secretary, I will. Okay.

[Host/Moderator]

I didn't want to use the most recent data because there was one that came out in 2024, I believe, and it actually has increased. This is just a more extreme one, but I think it's at, like, 72% now. So that's a good sign.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

That's a good sign.

[Melanie Mack]

Oh, that is good. That's good, then. Okay.

[Host/Moderator]

All right. According to the UN Women's press release in 2022, how many years will it take to achieve full gender equality at the current rates? How many years did they say it's going to take?

[Michael Knowles]

According to whom?

[Host/Moderator]

According to the UN Women's press release in 2022.

[Michael Knowles]

Global Women's Equality.

[Melanie Mack]

Yes. Global or just in America?

[Michael Knowles]

It's gotta be global.

[Host/Moderator]

It's gotta be global. Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah.

[Melanie Mack]

Oh, man. If we're going global, a bazillion how.

[Michael Knowles]

It's like, global. So. Yeah, you'd say that makes you think It'd be like 5200.

[Melanie Mack]

You gotta count Muslim countries.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah. But it's the UN, which is wrong about it.

[Melanie Mack]

That is true.

[Host/Moderator]

All right. All right, Melanie, what do you have, a million years?

[Michael Knowles]

I said 130, and then I drew a little picture of a lady in a hijab. Or not a hijab. Burqa.

[Melanie Mack]

Yeah, I'm thinking Muslim countries. Like, if you're gonna count global. A million years.

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah, I think they were being a little optimistic when they said 300 years. So Knowles does get the point.

[Michael Knowles]

I mean, the real answer, if you really want to know, like, that's what the UN says, and I'll take the point. But the real answer for, like, equality, the way they mean it, like feminist equality, is infinity years. That's how long it's going to take.

[Host/Moderator]

You know how long it'll take to get that grip strength on the pickle jar. To equality. No chance.

[Melanie Mack]

Oh, yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

All right, number 11, according to the CDC, how much more likely are lesbian women to report experiencing domestic violence compared to heterosexual sexual women? Closest.

[Michael Knowles]

Without going, how much more likely? Meaning morning.

[Host/Moderator]

Like, more likely.

[Michael Knowles]

Well, here's. Here's the problem. Let me just explain to you the statistical problem that you didn't consider. Let's say straight women, it's 50%. Obviously, these are made up numbers, but let's say it's 50% and lesbians, it's 75%. You probably would count that as 25% more likely. But 75% compared to 50% is actually 50% more likely because it's. The delta is 25%, and 25% into 50% is half.

[Host/Moderator]

It's a persuasive argument, Michael. Now, what percent?

[Michael Knowles]

No. Okay, my question is just. Is it. Are you doing it based on percentage points or percent, meaning X number of straight women versus X number of Y number of lesbians?

[Host/Moderator]

If you're in a lesbian relationship, what percent? Like, how much more likely are you in a percentage?

[Michael Knowles]

I know you keep repeating that question. I'm saying, are you looking?

[Host/Moderator]

That's how I wrote it, though.

[Michael Knowles]

I know it's how you. But I'm saying, is it. Like, there's a survey of all women, and here's the likelihood that they're. And, you know, for straight women it's 42, and for lesbians it's 62. And you're just. You're just subtracting one from the other.

[Host/Moderator]

Percentage points.

[Michael Knowles]

Percentage points. Thank you.

[Host/Moderator]

Okay.

[Michael Knowles]

That's crucial, that is.

[Melanie Mack]

Okay. I want to know if they're being honest, too, because how. Yeah. How many of these women are admitting that they're fighting?

[Michael Knowles]

Joke.

[Host/Moderator]

All right, what do you have, Michael? How many percentage points?

[Michael Knowles]

17 percentage points.

[Host/Moderator]

The correct answer is about 25%.

[Melanie Mack]

Ah.

[Host/Moderator]

After. After that calculus, Michael.

[Melanie Mack]

Dim, if you're being honest.

[Host/Moderator]

Fancy statistics.

[Melanie Mack]

Apparently every lesbian I've ever met has. Has been in domestic violence with their. Their other lesbian.

[Michael Knowles]

It is. It's funny. Cause it surprises people to find out that the most violent relationships are lesbian relationships. It surprises people because apparently they've never met women. I don't know. Like, it doesn't surprise me at all. Women get a little. Can I say it? A little emotional sometimes. I'm not saying all the time.

[Melanie Mack]

They do. We're emotional creatures.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, they do. And there's no. The other thing is, with a man, even some men lose their temper and stuff, too. But men are taught, because men know that we can really be violent. Men are taught to restrain their violence from a very young age, whereas women are always taught that they can get away with anything. And they're not actually all that physically strong. And they're never told. Like, don't you ever hit a woman? Don't you? It's like. No, they get into cat fights.

[Melanie Mack]

Exactly. And men tend to deescalate better. So it's just like, okay, let's. Let's calm down, like.

[Michael Knowles]

Or.

[Melanie Mack]

I'm sorry. You know. Yeah, men tend to do that more than women. Or if you have just two emotional women that just keep going, keep going. And, like.

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah, you can't even have women as roommates. Like, women can't even be roommates.

[Melanie Mack]

Women. Yeah. Women are competitive with each other in general. Like, just look at how many female friendships actually stand the test of time. Not nearly as many as male friendships.

[Michael Knowles]

Yes. The one confounding factor, though, of this statistic is that lesbians don't exist. So I don't know how they got them. That can be a question for another time.

[Melanie Mack]

That's also true. I agree with that. So it's confusing. Yeah. I think the actual. It's just lesbians are lesbians because they can't get the man that they want. So they just like. But if they could get the man they want, they would. Or there might be a very small percentage of those who are, like, abused and they're scared of men because of that. But otherwise, it's like, if a woman settles down with another woman, she already lost the game. It's like she couldn't get the man, so she just didn't want to be alone.

[Michael Knowles]

That is the intro clip to this episode, and there is no debate about it. Very well done. Very well done.

[Host/Moderator]

All right, number 12. First wave feminism was most associated with suffrage. Second wave feminism was workplace equality and reproductive rights. Third wave feminism was individualism and girl power. What is fourth wave feminism most associated with? Is the terms most associated with each one of those? And there's two answers that you could have here.

[Melanie Mack]

Wait, is it a new one or still one or still?

[Host/Moderator]

We're currently in fourth wave feminism now.

[Melanie Mack]

Right. So, like, is their thing. Can it be a repeat on what they're focusing on, or is it a new thing?

[Host/Moderator]

These are two new things, two new hints.

[Michael Knowles]

You could have said. I'm not giving you a hint.

[Host/Moderator]

You ask me questions all the time.

[Michael Knowles]

All right, what the.

[Melanie Mack]

Man? What else do they want?

[Host/Moderator]

You'd be surprised. There's two possibilities.

[Melanie Mack]

What do you want?

[Host/Moderator]

There was a couple more, but I narrowed it down to two. These are the most popular ones. All right, Knowles, what do you have?

[Michael Knowles]

I said intersectionality. Ah.

[Host/Moderator]

See what you did there? What do you have, Melanie?

[Melanie Mack]

I'd say they want complete dominance over everybody, and they also want to bow down to the troons. So they want to be replaced by men. Make it make sense.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay, the thing is, before you even say it, Ben, those are probably not on the list, but she is, right? I mean, that is true. Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

What is a troon? Am I a troon?

[Michael Knowles]

Tranny.

[Melanie Mack]

Oh, okay.

[Michael Knowles]

That's the new term for tranny, the safe term. You never heard that? You're too old. You're not hanging out with the kids like me and Melanie.

[Melanie Mack]

Yeah, see, some people think, like, oh, is that just the nicer one saying? No, it actually originated because of these trannies that would use cartoon avatars and the cartoons would be really beautiful, and then you'd see they actually look like a wildebeest in person. So it's like, oh, it's a troon. A transgender cartoon.

[Michael Knowles]

I never knew that. I heard the phrase. I didn't know where it came from, though. Okay.

[Melanie Mack]

That's where it originated. Yes.

[Host/Moderator]

I love that. That's great. That's a good one. That's not the answer. The correct answers could be either intersectionality or online activism. So Michael got it right.

[Michael Knowles]

I'll take it. I'll take it. But I prefer Melanie's.

[Melanie Mack]

Mine was the real correct answer, but no, it's fine.

[Michael Knowles]

I learned the etymology of troon today. That's good. I've wondered that for a while.

[Host/Moderator]

All right. In the early 2000s and 2010s, only about 20 to 30% of top grossing films featured female protagonists. To what percentage did these increase in 2024?

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah. I don't know. At the Daily Wire, 300%. We only ever make movies with chicks. It's crazy.

[Host/Moderator]

We contributed to it.

[Michael Knowles]

What's that about? That's weird. I know. It occurs to me why we keep making these movies with chicks.

[Host/Moderator]

Okay, anyway, so 20, 30% up to. What are we at in 2024?

[Melanie Mack]

Wait, how much it increased or where it's at?

[Host/Moderator]

What's the percent at? What's the percent point at now?

[Michael Knowles]

How come you didn't yell at Melanie for asking that question? That's a good question. Wait, what was your starting date?

[Host/Moderator]

Cause I'm not a feminist. The starting date was. It's the 2000s, 2010s, and it was at 20 to 30% of the top grossing.

[Melanie Mack]

Top grossing. But, like, not much is doing well. A lot of things are flopping now.

[Host/Moderator]

Yep. Do y' all have an answer? Oh, wait.

[Melanie Mack]

Yes.

[Host/Moderator]

All right, Michael, what do you have?

[Michael Knowles]

I'm gonna zag here. I think it went down. I'm saying 12% since the 2010 since 2019.

[Host/Moderator]

The correct answer in 2024 was 42%. Melanie, with the snipe.

[Melanie Mack]

Yes.

[Host/Moderator]

Okay, but Knowles, you're partially right, because in 2025 it dropped down to 29%. I think they're back. Yeah, yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

All right. That's a nice trend. I had to go see Captain Marvel for the Daily Wire. They made me go see it. That was maybe. You made me go see it, Mr. Davis. Yeah. And that was so unbearable. I've barely seen a movie since. And to me, that was the peak of Lady Boss pop movies.

[Melanie Mack]

I think true peak is Tomb Raider. Angelina Jolie's Tomb Raider. That was actually good.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, it's a deep cut. It's like a 20 year old, 25 year old deep cut.

[Host/Moderator]

All right, number 14. What percentage of US women say the term feminist describes them? Well, what percent?

[Michael Knowles]

Not just Gen Z. This is all women.

[Host/Moderator]

This is all women.

[Michael Knowles]

All right, we have 42%.

[Host/Moderator]

The correct answer, according to Pew data is 61%.

[Michael Knowles]

I mean, that's horrifying. That's horrifying. And I'm happy I got the point. Oh, no, that's bad.

[Melanie Mack]

I was hoping the country girls would make a difference with that, but.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay, Whoa, that's nuts. Hold on, wait a second. You said Ben. And Ben, Ben, you said that the percentage of Gen Z that identifies as feminist is 52%. And we said, oh, that's lower than we expected. And you said, yeah, but it's actually the highest for any generation ever. Oh, and now you're saying that of all generations, it's 63% or whatever. How is that doesn't make sense.

[Host/Moderator]

Well, I think as those are like the younger generation, like that. That's the first. I wonder how that would make sense, because it was like the younger generation. It's the first young generation to say that. But I think the older generations, once you get older, then if you don't get married and you're more in, you know, not having success, then maybe you become a feminist out of frustration later in life. And so they identify more as feminists.

[Michael Knowles]

You're saying they become more feminist over time?

[Host/Moderator]

That's what the research. According to Pew research data. That's what it says.

[Michael Knowles]

I want to examine these data.

[Host/Moderator]

All right, hold on, Control. Rowan, can you clarify?

[Michael Knowles]

I don't. I'll take the point.

[Host/Moderator]

I don't care. You know what?

[Michael Knowles]

Nevermind. I didn't say anything. Let's go. We'll move on.

[Host/Moderator]

All right, all right, all right.

[Melanie Mack]

Okay.

[Host/Moderator]

Number 15. Women do what percent of the world's unpaid care and domestic work. Is it A, 30%? B, over 75%. C, 50%, D, 10%.

[Michael Knowles]

I love how it's unpaid, unpaid care. How about.

[Host/Moderator]

And domestic work.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, and domestic work. Unpaid. How about you have a home to live in and food to eat and clothes to wear. What is this unpaid? I remember Andrew Wang Yang, when you remember that guy was running for president and he was always complaining about how his wife didn't get a salary. I say, bro, if you want to pay your wife money, give her a bigger allowance or something. But why am I like, that's A. Not everything has to be paid out in banknotes, buddy. Good grief.

[Melanie Mack]

That is true.

[Michael Knowles]

It's B, right? Certainly over 75% I would see, correct?

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah, it is B.

[Melanie Mack]

Okay. All right.

[Host/Moderator]

Also, Pew Research center in 2020, 61% of U.S. women said the term feminist describes them very well.

[Michael Knowles]

No, I know. The weird thing is, though, you said the most feminist generation ever is at 53%. And then when you add all the less feminist generations in, you get to 62%.

[Host/Moderator]

I don't know how they do their data. You know, data's all fake. You know that.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay, all right.

[Melanie Mack]

That's true.

[Host/Moderator]

All right. 16. What percentage of women said they have actively switched off or stopped watching a film or TV show because it lacked enough female characters or felt too stereotypical? What percent of women said they've turned off because of one of those things?

[Michael Knowles]

I think this number is even maybe too high. I said 7%. We said 5. Wow.

[Host/Moderator]

The answer is 25%. One in four women apparently were like, no, not enough ladies in here.

[Michael Knowles]

The thing is, no, they haven't. They just say that it's a thing they say.

[Melanie Mack]

Exactly. Nobody thinks that. It's just like, hey, is this story interesting or captivating or like, that's really what it is.

[Michael Knowles]

That's one.

[Melanie Mack]

It's like sometimes some people don't think like that.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah. One point that we've talked about at DW is there's a difference between when conservatives got to make movies, they don't make the movies people wanna see. They make the movies that they want people to want to see. And that answer from those ladies, that's an answer they want to believe. That's the answer they want to give. Not one of them has turned off a movie because it didn't have enough chicks.

[Melanie Mack]

Exactly.

[Michael Knowles]

Sword fighting or whatever.

[Host/Moderator]

And this is another generational response. This too, it rose to 46% among us millennials.

[Michael Knowles]

Nonsense. I mean, millennials are. They might be the most Insufferable generation. Everyone bangs up on the boomers. I don't. They're our parents. We have to have filial piety. Also millennials. By basically any objective measure, millennials are worse. You know, I like we're part of it. I don't want to beat up on it either, but I'm not surprised they say that they don't actually do it. That's totally made up.

[Melanie Mack]

I think so, too. I don't think there's over 40% of people, like, ridiculous. I didn't see enough women. I didn't see enough black people.

[Michael Knowles]

I certainly didn't see enough black women.

[Host/Moderator]

Or it's stereotypical, too. So it's like a woman gets rescued, and it's like, I can't even handle that. I don't want to be that.

[Michael Knowles]

Oh, yeah. I hate when the really hot, rich, strong guy came in and saved that damsel in distress. Oh, that just really fired me up.

[Melanie Mack]

Exactly. I don't want to hear it with people pretending like they don't like the damsel in distress trope when it's, like, a lot of the stuff they're actually reading and all of that would say a different story.

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah, that's true. All right, last question. What percent of Democratic voters in the United States are women? Closest without going over wins.

[Michael Knowles]

It's not what percent of women are Democrats. It's what percent of Democrats are women.

[Host/Moderator]

Wait, didn't you say the same thing?

[Melanie Mack]

Yes.

[Michael Knowles]

No.

[Melanie Mack]

Yes.

[Michael Knowles]

This is why I have to clarify.

[Host/Moderator]

What percentage of Democratic voters in the United States are women?

[Michael Knowles]

Okay. Not what percent of women are Democratic voters.

[Host/Moderator]

Correct.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay. I don't trust that this distinction is. But I'm. Whatever. I'll go with it.

[Host/Moderator]

This is also a Pew Research.

[Michael Knowles]

What percentage of women vote for Democrats?

[Host/Moderator]

Yes.

[Melanie Mack]

What percent of Democrat voters are women?

[Michael Knowles]

Which is it?

[Host/Moderator]

I don't know what to say to you right now.

[Michael Knowles]

Say it. Repeat what you said.

[Host/Moderator]

I think it's of the Democrats, what percent are women?

[Michael Knowles]

Okay. All right.

[Melanie Mack]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

There you go. In 1896. All right. What do you have, Knowles?

[Michael Knowles]

I don't feel that confident. I said 62%.

[Host/Moderator]

Wow. Close. According to Pew Research, it's between 54 and 56%. So call it 55.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay. All right. We both lose it.

[Melanie Mack]

Okay. You're both over.

[Host/Moderator]

Well, we don't know who lost technically, because this is a gentleman's game, and, Michael, you are currently in the lead, but if you want to risk it all and do a double or nothing, go for broke. One bonus question it's here for the taking.

[Michael Knowles]

You know what? I don't.

[Host/Moderator]

You do it.

[Michael Knowles]

By virtue of any part of my nature, I have reason. I have highly functioning reason. I mean, relatively functioning reason and very low emotional reasoning. I'm going to take the victory.

[Host/Moderator]

Oh my God, you did.

[Melanie Mack]

Okay, that's fair.

[Michael Knowles]

I want to win.

[Melanie Mack]

That's fair. I don't want a freebie. I don't want a freebie.

[Michael Knowles]

No, he's trying to manipulate me and you're such a. I want to know what the question is, but I don't want to.

[Host/Moderator]

You want to just do it for fun? Let's see what happens.

[Melanie Mack]

Yes.

[Host/Moderator]

All right.

[Michael Knowles]

I want another question.

[Host/Moderator]

All right. What percentage of gamers in the United States are female according to the latest 2025 data from.

[Michael Knowles]

So glad I didn't bet my win on this. I have no idea.

[Host/Moderator]

Oh, you're so close.

[Melanie Mack]

Lie though. It's such a lie though, but okay.

[Michael Knowles]

Oh, is this like gamergate stuff where they try to pretend.

[Melanie Mack]

Well, it's. This is why it's a lie. It's because they're counting like Candy Crush and crap. Like they're not counting actual like gamer games. It's like this is counting all the little mobile stuff and.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, okay, well, all right, now that you gave me that context, I guess I would. If you're counting Candy Crush, I would say like 54%. Over 50%.

[Host/Moderator]

Y' all are both technically wrong. Though Melanie, of course is closer at 47%, which is still wild. Yeah, it must be Candy Crush.

[Melanie Mack]

I know. Used to, it was like, I don't know, a few years ago they said it was just over because they were like, oh, more. More women are gamers than men. Maybe they're counting the they thems now. But used to, it was like they said it was just over 50%. So they were trying to act like more women are gamers than men, but it's just not true.

[Michael Knowles]

Because the modal gamer, the most represented gamer, is really a 14 year old boy saying the N word on a first person shooter, right?

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay.

[Melanie Mack]

That represents most gamers, as it should.

[Michael Knowles]

Naturally.

[Host/Moderator]

Of all the stats that I found when I saw that, I was like, okay, I don't believe any stat anymore. Cause there is no way this is accurate. That's total bs.

[Michael Knowles]

No. Although I don't know, it does confound when you add like the mo. Because the other thing is when I walk by the control room and I'll hear Mr. Davies screaming the N word playing Candy Crush. So I don't know, maybe it's kind of diverse, you know?

[Host/Moderator]

All right, well, to the victor goes the spoils. Melody, would you Please give a 30 second pitch for why people should tune into the Michael Knowles show?

[Melanie Mack]

Okay, guys, if you have not been tuning into the Michael Knowles show, you should, because Michael Knowles is the best pickle jar opener you will ever find. Grip strength.

[Michael Knowles]

Is that a euphemism?

[Melanie Mack]

85% more than women. He's brilliant. Captain Marvel. Who? Why was he not Captain Marvel? It's just genius. Knows all of the percentage of feminist facts. So he could be the best feminist in the world if he wanted to, but instead he knows that feminism is a scam, so he's using. He's being that humble, awesome person and being like, hey, you know what? Even though I would be the best feminist in the world, I'm not going to for the betterment of society. So why would you not watch it?

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah. What a guy.

[Michael Knowles]

You know, What a pitch. What an ad. Ladies, ladies, if you want the best pickle jar opener on the Internet, tune in to the Michael Knowles show. I like that. That might be my new Twitter bio.

[Melanie Mack]

I love it.

[Host/Moderator]

Well, there you have it. If you haven't already, subscribe to Melanie Mac go Boom. Melanie Mac gaming streams and Bible time with Melanie Mac on all socials. And drop us a comment with who we should have on next and what topic to tackle in the next episode of Face Off.