"Is A.I. The Antichrist?" YES or NO | Matt Fradd

Summary

The Michael Knowles Show | "Is A.I. The Antichrist?" YES or NO | Matt Fradd

Date: January 31, 2026
Host: Michael Knowles (The Daily Wire)
Guest: Matt Fradd

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Michael Knowles Show puts a comedic yet philosophical twist on debates about politics, religion, and culture—centered on the provocative question: “Is A.I. the Antichrist?” Using the “Yes or No?” card game format, Michael Knowles and Matt Fradd bounce through theological hypotheticals, internet-age moral quandaries, and the fears and hopes surrounding artificial intelligence, all while showcasing their signature irreverent banter and dry wit. The game show structure forces candid binary answers on complex questions, yielding several moments of genuine insight, sharp disagreement, and classic one-liners.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Game Format & Stakes ([00:23-01:56])

• The episode uses the "Yes or No" game show, where Knowles and Fradd must predict one another’s binary answers to philosophical and current event questions.

• Stakes include posting a sycophantic social media rant about the winner.

  “If you beat me, I have to post some sycophantic rant on my social media about how great you are, and you can even write it for me.” — Matt Fradd ([01:19])

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Theological Hypotheticals & Catholic In-Jokes

1. Will the East–West Schism Be Resolved Before the Conservative Schism? ([02:16-03:20])

   • Both agree ecclesial unity is more likely than conservative unity.
   • Knowles: “There will be no such force in the American right. That is only ever chaos and division. There is no catacomb of American right-wing politics. It is just Apocalypse now all the time.” ([03:08])

2. Conversion of Ben Shapiro ([04:02-05:54])

   • Knowles jokes about his Catholicism as a “stumbling block” to Ben Shapiro’s hypothetical conversion.
   • Fradd argues Shapiro “sticks to what he believes, whether or not the world will hate him or love him for it.”

3. Public Conversion Stories & Repentance ([06:06-09:15])

   • Discusses whether there should be a vetting period before interviewing recent converts from scandalous pasts.
   • Both agree: Yes, for their own good and the audience’s, patience is needed.
   • “You need a little time … especially if you go out and you have like a crazy year … [but] a thousand in a day. That is—God have mercy on her.” — Michael Knowles ([07:44])
   • Fradd raises skepticism: “Is somebody who would engage in that kind of depravity probably only doing it for attention?” ([08:09])
   • Knowles: “It might be baby steps, you know—might be.” ([09:15])

4. Can Cain Be Immortal? ([10:07-11:33])

   • Fradd introduces the biblical myth of Cain wandering eternally.
   • “He’s dead.” — Knowles ([11:39])
   • Both dismiss mythological interpretations as “possible, but not probable.”

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Social and Sexual Morality in the Age of Tech

Transgenderism & Delusion ([11:51-13:22])

• Fradd: Opposing transgenderism is likened to not indulging a schizophrenic’s delusions.

  “I can no more affirm transgenderism than I can affirm the voices of a schizophrenic.” — Knowles ([11:58])

• They reflect on the changing Overton Window—what is considered “crazy” changes quickly.

  “You live long enough and you go, ‘okay, where’s new atheism? Where’s BLM? Where’s transgenderism? Where’s Andrew Tate?’” — Fradd ([13:22])

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The Sex Robot Thought Experiment ([14:14-19:56])

Prompt: Is it “gay” if you have sex with a robot that appears female but is controlled by a man?

• Both initially split:
  • Fradd: “No, it’s depraved.” ([14:42])
  • Knowles: “Yeah, I think it’s gay.” ([16:05])
• Knowles’s theological argument: Acts that are “sterile” or “fruitless” are, by extension, “gay,” including contraception.
• Fradd pushes back, making a distinction between acts that are objectively vs. subjectively disordered but hesitates to use “gay” outside of homosexual activity.
• Knowles: “The chief feature of gayness, I think, is sterility, that it’s a fruitless, unfeconed union, and that is contraception.” ([17:17])
• Fradd: “If he’s engaging in a sexual act with a machine … it would be an action of self-abuse, wouldn’t it?” ([18:07])
• Both agree it’s a depraved, non-relational act, with Knowles stretching the term “gay” for rhetorical effect.

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Pornography & Moral Intent ([21:25-23:19])

• Is selling feet pics online pornography?
  • Fradd: “I think it’s pornography subjectively, but not objectively so.”
  • Both discuss the difference between “looking” at and “consuming” porn.
  • Fradd: “I think you can look at pornography and not sin, clearly. That’s why I like to make the distinction between looking and consuming.” ([22:53])

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Rapid Fire (Mini “Yes or No”s) ([21:07-24:57])

• Alcohol Consumption as Sin:
  • Both agree intoxication is a sin, but the number of drinks varies by constitution.
  • “I could have 30 drinks in a day and not sin. Maybe. But, like, I think it’s hard to have three drinks in an hour and not be drunk.” — Knowles ([23:34])
• Debate Preferences:
  • Knowles prefers debating Eastern Orthodox Christians over Protestants due to more common ground.
• Compatibility of Sharia vs Liberalism with Christianity:
  • Liberalism seen as a “perversion” of Christianity, Sharia as fully alien.

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On AI, Eschatology, and the Final Prompt ([29:33-32:10])

• Will A.I. be part of the End Times?
  • Both reluctantly select “Yes,” conceding it’ll be involved in some way—if only because of its growing significance.
  • Knowles refers to Peter Thiel’s contrary view: The Antichrist may arise by restricting AI, not enabling it.

    “If the AI told me, like, ‘hey, if you try to regulate me, that’ll bring about the Antichrist,’ I’d be like … that sounds a lot like something the Antichrist would say.” — Knowles ([30:24])

  • Both see AI as “particularly scary,” predicting a future where people trust in-person events more due to AI-generated media being indistinguishable from reality.

    Fradd: “Very shortly you’ll be able to watch an entire podcast from your favorite host. And it won’t be him … I think because of that, in-person events … the demand for them will skyrocket.” ([31:38])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “There will be no such force in the American right … it is just Apocalypse Now all the time.” — Knowles ([03:08])
• “It’s like a Schrodinger’s gay.” — Knowles, on the sex robot dilemma ([15:24])
• “It’s pretty gay.” — Knowles, defending “gay” as a rhetorical device ([16:26])
• “You can look at pornography and not sin, clearly.” — Fradd ([22:53])
• “If the AI told me, like, ‘hey, if you try to regulate me, that’ll bring about the Antichrist,’ I’d be like … that sounds a lot like something the Antichrist would say.” — Knowles ([30:24])
• “Very shortly you’ll be able to watch an entire podcast from your favorite host. And it won’t be him.” — Fradd ([31:38])

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Major Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment | | ----------- | -------------------------------------------------------- | | 00:23 | Game rules and introduction | | 02:16–03:20 | East–West Schism and American conservatism discussion | | 04:02–05:54 | Catholic influence at Daily Wire / Ben Shapiro | | 06:06–09:15 | Should recent converts with scandalous pasts speak out? | | 10:07–11:33 | The immortality of Cain (Genesis) | | 11:51–13:22 | Transgenderism, delusion, and censorship | | 14:14–19:56 | Sex robots and the “Schrodinger’s gay” discussion | | 21:07–24:57 | Rapid fire: accent, yarmulke, feet pics & sin | | 29:33–32:10 | Will AI play a role in the end times? |

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Tone & Style

The episode is marked by sharp Catholic humor, irreverence toward both religious and cultural orthodoxy, and spirited philosophical engagement—all within the constraints of a lighthearted, competitive game show. Both Knowles and Fradd maintain a relaxed but intellectually inquisitive tone, freely riffing off one another’s theological and cultural references while lambasting modern absurdities.

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Summary

This episode blends comic hypotheticals, serious theological speculation, and culture war observation. The core theme circles anxieties about the future (especially technological), as filtered through a Catholic worldview and the ribald fun of binary, forced-choice debate. Despite the episode’s humor, Knowles and Fradd offer thoughtful meditations on repentance, public witness, the danger of delusion (in both sexual and technological matters), the importance of ordered sexuality, and the unique place—and peril—of AI in the modern imagination.

Takeaway:
Is AI the Antichrist? Maybe not literally, but Knowles and Fradd agree the rise of artificial intelligence is “particularly scary,” and that its capacity to upend reality, trust, and meaning could make it central in whatever end times await.

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Transcript

[A]

Is it gay if you have sex with a robot that looks like a.

[B]

Sheila that's being controlled by a fella in France?

[A]

Yes. Is that gay?

[B]

No. It's depraved.

[A]

Hold on.

[B]

Wait.

[A]

Hold on. Now I have to.

[B]

Oh, sorry.

[A]

Welcome to yes or no, the bibulous battle to discover who knows whom better. My guest today is Matt Fradd. How do we play? I ask Matt a yes or no question. He will select his answer away from my prying eyes. Then I will guess how he answered. If I guess correctly, I get a point. If I guess incorrectly, I lose a point. No matter what. I will probably drink. And it's like 10 o' clock in the morning right now, so it'll be setting me up for a great day. Then it's Matt's turn. Neither of us have seen the questions beforehand. Whoever has the most points at the end wins. The stakes could be higher. Let's get started. Matt, on this show, we make a wager.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

One time I beat Nick Freitas and he gave me a gigantic Desert Eagle. A Catholic Desert Eagle with Deus Volt and the Excommunicator. Did you say it?

[B]

Yes. Great video, by the way.

[A]

So what's our wage?

[B]

You're going to be, I think if you beat me, I have to post some sycophantic rant on my social media about how great you are and you can even write it for me.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And. Same thing. So you just have to gush over me if I beat you on social media.

[A]

Okay, that's fine. I want another gun. Is there no. Maybe a Beretta? That's going to be.

[B]

I have a kangaroo. I have a taxiderm kangaroo suit in my studio. I'll give you that.

[A]

No. You know what? You could. Whatever gun you bring, you'd be like, that's not a gun. This is a gun. You know, Better be like, no, Crocodile Dundee. Okay, all right, that's fine. We'll just move on. That's fine.

[B]

No big deal.

[A]

Off to a great start. You know the rules.

[B]

But have we decided what we're doing?

[A]

We can do the obsequious part. Okay, good. That's fine. It's easy. Cause one time I did this, and it was. We did the thing. I lost and I have to, like, fly across the country for, like, a thing. It's a whole. Yeah, I'll never do that.

[B]

I know the one social media post.

[A]

One post is. Okay, I'll have Jacob write it. Okay.

[B]

All right. Sorry, Jacob.

[A]

Will the east west schism be resolved? Before the current conservative one will the.

[B]

And I guess what you say.

[A]

You guess. No, no, you give your answer and I guess what you say.

[B]

Oh, all right. Oh, okay.

[A]

I think that's right. I think that's right. Do I click the button? Yeah, you click your answer.

[B]

All right. Yeah. No, you can't.

[A]

You just. I'm sorry. Wait, what? It's really early. I say yes.

[B]

Okay. Well done. I did say yes.

[A]

Why?

[B]

Just because the conservative. The breakdown among conservatives is off the charts.

[A]

Yes. Also because, like God wills the unity of Christ's church.

[B]

Right.

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There is a big force that at least by the end of history will bring us all together.

[B]

Please, God.

[A]

There will be no such force in the American right. That is only ever chaos and division. There is no catacomb of American right wing politics. It is just Apocalypse now all the time.

[B]

You know, if you want to upset our authors orthodox brothers and sisters, what you say is, well, after the Protestant revolution, there were Eastern churches that came back into union with Rome.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

We have 23 Eastern churches, Ukrainian. So what you could say is, oh, it's already happened. There's already been the reunification, some holdouts. That's not true.

[A]

I wouldn't. No, I would take. I would sort of say that you.

[B]

Probably want Constantinople back though, wouldn't you?

[A]

I would. In many ways. I want Constantinople back. Yes.

[B]

I was there recently.

[A]

Really?

[B]

In the. The mosque.

[A]

And you kept your head. Your head, as far as I can tell, it's still on your neck.

[B]

My priest friend and I. It doesn't matter. That's illegal. You go. I go.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

We're talking.

[A]

Okay, now clear your. Clear your.

[B]

All right.

[A]

Okay, you go.

[B]

All right. Now that Pints with Aquinas is hosted on Daily Wire, it's more likely Ben Shapiro, converts to Christianity. Okay. And I put this here.

[A]

Yeah.

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We're not even drinking. This is.

[A]

Yeah, I actually had a sip already, but I'll do another one. Cheers.

[B]

All right.

[A]

Cheers. To healing the system.

[B]

To the Holy Father and death to his enemies.

[A]

Champagne for my real friends. And real pain for my sham friends. Oh, that's good.

[B]

Okay, this one sounds creepy, but ends up mildly funny. Ready? To the years I spent in the arms of another man's wife. My mother.

[A]

Wow, that's good.

[B]

Is it?

[A]

I don't know if it's good to honor. There's a very bawdy one, like frat boys say.

[B]

Okay, I gotta guess what you'd say.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All right, done. I would say not wrong.

[A]

I said yes.

[B]

Did you? Why?

[A]

Because previously I was the Catholic at Daily Wire. Matt is Catholic, too, actually, but he's not as flamboyant about it, you know? And so previously, I was the Catholic, and that is a stumbling block to Ben, I think. I think Ben would be less likely to convert if I became a Protestant.

[B]

He might be a little more open to it. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Or if I became a Shinto, maybe he'd become, you know, just broadly Christian. But the fact that you are here now and he likes you. I think he likes you. I don't know. I don't. He at least doesn't actively dislike you, and so because of that, he's more likely. Yes.

[B]

The only reason I would have said no is I would just imagine he'd dig his heels in, like we're crowding.

[A]

Cause we're taking over the entire company. Yeah.

[B]

Hmm.

[A]

You're right.

[B]

Huh.

[A]

So who do we have to bring in? Do we need to hire a ton of Jews? And then he'll. Then he'll be like. He'll be contrarian enough that he'll switch.

[B]

No, in fairness to Ben, he's not very contrarian. He seems to know what he believes and then sticks to it, whether or not the world will hate him or.

[A]

Love him for it. Yeah, I guess. Okay. All right.

[B]

We're just drinking at this point.

[A]

Say la vie.

[B]

So I said no. So you lost now we don't play it normally. Clear. My answer, Fred. Done. I won't respond to you again. I'm sorry. There's someone in my ear, and I'm responding.

[A]

Who's in your. How much have you had to drink? Should there be a waiting period to interview someone like Lily Phillips, who was a prostitute but who now is baptized?

[B]

I'm glad they told me because I didn't know who that was. Is she public?

[A]

He doesn't know who that was. No, you actually. Is she a public figure? So there were. Yes, she is. Because you might have read about it.

[B]

To interview. Oh, I see.

[A]

There are two lady not. Well, this is all public. There are two ladies who slept with thousands of years. Oh, yeah.

[B]

You remember that?

[A]

And one is like.

[B]

Yeah, I heard about that.

[A]

One is like, the good one and one's the bad one or what? I don't know. It's like, the way it's in public is like. One is truly, like, explicitly demoniac about it, and then the other one is, like, kind. Seems like kind of.

[B]

So one has repented and has been baptized or.

[A]

Has been baptized. Yes. Has repented is less clear. But I do think I Read her as being. Okay, so hold on.

[B]

Yeah, you.

[A]

So I guess that's enough context. All right, so now you gotta guess what you'd guess. Guess what I would guess. No, I gotta guess what you would guess. Oh, what you would say.

[B]

All right, I will say, I will say that.

[A]

Yes, there should be a waiting period.

[B]

Yeah. For her own sake.

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Yes.

[B]

And for ours.

[A]

Yeah. Yes. But I'm not entirely opposed to someone who was even in like the extreme depths of gravity like that to coming out and having a testimony. But let it take root. You need a little time. You need a little time especially. It's like if you go out and you have like a crazy year, you know, whatever you like, do some drugs and whatever you sleep with like five chicks. That takes a while to get those habits out of you. A thousand in a day. That is.

[B]

God have mercy on her.

[A]

Yeah, like you need, I think you gotta just, you don't wanna be exposed to.

[B]

I don't know. So is she Catholic? Did she become a Catholic? Is that what happened?

[A]

Looked, I couldn't tell. It was in a. The baptism was in a, like a blow up pool and it looked like it was in a vacillate. You know what's tough about this situation.

[B]

Is somebody who would engage in that kind of depravity is probably only doing it for attention.

[A]

Could be, I could.

[B]

So I'm a little, I don't mean to be cynical, but I wonder if getting baptized is the most controversial thing she could do after that.

[A]

Right. I wonder. I read an interview of hers and she said, I felt this call to God and so I'm gonna try to, you know, I haven't been able to get to church very much because I'm traveling a lot from work, but I'm gonna try to really prioritize that more. And I grew up in a religious household, but I mean, we didn't go to church, but we were very close to God. And I mean, I'm not a traditional Christian. I'm not putting myself out that way.

[B]

Oh, I see. Like I said, she may not have repented.

[A]

Yeah. But what was weird is it was so contradictory. And I actually read it as sincere. I think she probably is sincere and just like doesn't even to say I grew up in a religious household. We didn't go to church, but we were religious. Means she was probably scandalized like a billion times from the day she was born until today as she continues to scandalize other people. And it's like it, it might be baby steps, you know, it might be.

[B]

Here's a question for you. Suppose she had a big Christian podcast and then fell off the wagon and did all that? That's a question like, should people like that be coming back to a public.

[A]

There are examples of this in public without engaging in the sin of detraction. There are people who do this.

[B]

Yeah. And to differing degrees. It's an interesting. What do you think?

[A]

Probably not for a little while. For a little while?

[B]

At least five years, 10 years.

[A]

Yes. When I say a little while, I mean like five years. I think you need to. You need to go do something else for a little while. You know, you're in a very. If you're gonna put yourself out as a specifically Christian, I don't know, broadcaster or teacher or something. The punishments have to be a little tough. The penance has to be a little tougher, I think. But what do I know? I'm not a priest. You're up.

[B]

All right, clear the answers. Here we go. I'll stop repeating what the man in my ear is saying. Is it possible?

[A]

Matt, we all wanna get you help, but you need to tell us what the man in your ear is saying.

[B]

Is it possible that God's mark on Cain in Genesis 4:15 granted him immortality, cursing him to walk the earth forever? Since scripture never records his death, describes him as a restless wanderer and warns that no man may kill him.

[A]

I give my answer. Uh huh. Is this like the Eternal Jew? You know, the thing of the eternal Jew just wanders the earth forever.

[B]

I gotta be honest, when people start talking about Jews now, it makes me as uncomfortable as when they start making jokes about blacks. I'm like, I don't know where.

[A]

Not at all.

[B]

I don't know how to thread the needle anymore. I just. So I don't know.

[A]

There's a plant called the Wandering Jew.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

Which is.

[B]

We have some in our backyard. Woo.

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Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They.

[B]

And after I go hired, I planted it.

[A]

Keep going natural. Of course we had this teacher and you know, I grew up, all my friends were Jews. Cause it was New York. And then the teacher was explaining, they said, why do they call the plant the Wandering Jew? Cause it kind of goes wherever and it's hard to kill it. It's like basically, you know, that's like a good thing, right? But it comes from this myth of the Wandering Jew who like wanders around forever. It sounds like this, basically.

[B]

All right, so now do you answer this?

[A]

And I guess I answered.

[B]

You already answered. So is it.

[A]

See, while I was distracting you with the Jew Thing I was answering, I'm.

[B]

Gonna go ahead and say no. Yeah.

[A]

I mean, yeah.

[B]

I mean, there's possibility and probability, so I suppose many things are possible, but still.

[A]

He's dead. He's dead. Okay, now, before I ask you this prompt, we have to watch a video. Okay. They will. Producers will.

[B]

All right, so then I would say. Yeah, because you're legalizing delusion. Yeah. You're legalizing somebody's private delusions.

[A]

Yes. And I can't. I can no more affirm transgenderism than I can affirm the voices of a schizophrenic, you know, talking into his dad.

[B]

Well, you went above me.

[A]

Good job. Do you stand by what you said, which gave my channel a strike and removed that episode from YouTube.

[B]

Now, what did I say? That you shouldn't go along with somebody's delusion like me with a man in my ear.

[A]

I guess that was it.

[B]

Did it have to do with transgenderism?

[A]

Yes. You got. That's so crazy that on the channel of, you know, eradication. Let's eradicate transgender. And on the channel on dw, where, you know, Matt made that big movie about it and where Ben was, you know, getting into scraps with. I gave you that strike, but you gave me a strike. You nearly destroyed my career because you said transgenderism is fake.

[B]

It's still time.

[A]

Is it? You know, talk about. Well, hold on. First you got to answer.

[B]

Oh, so do I regret it? Yeah. Or do I stand by it?

[A]

Do you stand. Do you stand by what you said? Okay, did you answer?

[B]

Yes. How do you know what I've said? Yes. We've all said yes. Why is Poe still there? Wait, why?

[A]

You can't do bo. You can't hedge. Okay? So, yes, obviously, you stand by. You know, though, it's amazing how things change now when you're like, I think. I think that giant dudes aren't girls, and everyone's like, yeah, you weirdo. Of course they don't remember.

[B]

It is funny. As you get older, you live long enough that you see these things, hit culture, and feel unstoppable and then peter out. You know, like, so whatever is happening today, if you're young, you might think, oh, this is the answer to all of life's problems. I'm gonna jump in. Right? But you live long enough and you go, okay, like, where's the new atheism? Where's blm? Where's transgenderism? Where's Andrew Tate?

[A]

Yes, that's right. One day we're wake up and be.

[B]

Like, you know, where's Michael Knoffs.

[A]

Yeah, I'll say. Like. And Sonny, back when I was a boy, they gave women driver's licenses. It was like, okay, Grandpa, time to get you back to the nursing home now. Like, it should just be crazy anyway. All right, you're.

[B]

If I want to go along with that one again.

[A]

No. Am I up?

[B]

Fred Stern. All right, here we go. Video photo prompt. Look at image prompt.

[A]

If you had a robot, a sex robot. Here we go. And it was controlled by a person in another country where prostitution was legal.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But where you were at, it was illegal. But you're having sex with the robot, but the robot is being controlled by a person. Is that illegal? Number one. Number two, if you're a guy and you have sex with a female robot.

[B]

Oh, dear.

[A]

But the female robot is being controlled by another guy. Are you gay?

[B]

Who is this fella?

[A]

A great philosopher of our times. Looks like a girl. Like, let's say the robot looks like a girl. Like, are you gay or not? Only if you know it's a guy. All right. I really like that. So basically, it's like a Schrodinger's gay. Is there a question? Yeah.

[B]

The question is, is it gay?

[A]

Is what he wants me to ask, is it gay? So he's not. It's not the legal part. That was just an amuse bouche for the meat of our meal, which is, is it gay if you have sex with a robot that looks like a.

[B]

Sheila that's being controlled by a fella in France?

[A]

Yes. Is that gay?

[B]

No, it's depraved. Hold on.

[A]

Wait. Hold on. Now I have to.

[B]

Oh, sorry. Wow.

[A]

I'm gonna guess.

[B]

Yeah, definitely.

[A]

I'm guess. I'm gonna guess what you would answer. I'm guessing for myself. Oh, I'm gonna give my answer. Okay. I'm giving my answer. You have to guess how I would answer. You got off on a technicality there.

[B]

I did?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All right. There you go.

[A]

You're wrong.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

You know why?

[B]

You think it's.

[A]

Yeah, I think it's gay.

[B]

Homosexual, or. Are you using the word gay in a different sense?

[A]

No, I think it's gay because it's effective. Well, I'm additionally using gay in an expanded sense, but it's essentially masturbation, which is gay.

[B]

Well, okay. I mean, you gotta stretch the word a little bit. What do you mean by gay?

[A]

What do I mean by masturbation? I can describe it, and it's pretty gay.

[B]

That's all right.

[A]

I can. It's pretty gay.

[B]

This is. That Joke. Who says? Well, we won't go into it.

[A]

Yeah, but it is. And then the other reason, in the more expanded sense, I would say it's gay, is because it's a sterile sexual act. Which is it? Which is gay.

[B]

So what you call contraception gay. Yeah. So man's having sex with his wife. Yeah. And they're just good Protestants. And you're like, he's gay?

[A]

Yeah, kind of. It's gay if you. I mean, I hate to offend people out there, but like, if you do that thing, if you geld yourself, for.

[B]

Instance, what does that mean?

[A]

You know, do a little like, oh.

[B]

If you get the snip, snip, snippity, snip.

[A]

Yeah. I think, again, I know people, look, it's a crazy world. It's a fault logo. I went to Yale, so we don't need to talk about, you're gay, you're gay. But it's gay. That's gay. Cause it's not. The chief feature of gayness, I think, is sterility, that it's a fruitless, unfeconed union, and that is contraception.

[B]

But you wouldn't say a fellow who has sex with his post menopausal wife is gay. He would just say he's acting in a way that ought to bring forth life, but it's.

[A]

Yeah, the action is still ordinary.

[B]

So he's accidentally gay. Or is he?

[A]

No, he's not. Yeah, he might. You know, it was like one of those. He had a few too many and, you know, the guy at the bar looked a little waifish. No, what I'm saying is that action, the post menopausal wife, that is ordered toward procreation. And I don't know, maybe she's like Sarah, you know, and maybe something happens and she gives birth. Whereas I think that sex, I think.

[B]

You could call it gay by extension, but not gay. First and foremost. If a man's having sex with. Well, first of all, it's not sex. It's funny how we use the word sex to mean self abuse or all sorts of depraved things. It's not sex. But if he's engaging in a sexual act with a machine, I wouldn't call that gay, except maybe by extension, I see where you're coming from. But I would just say it's a. It would be like an. It would be an action of self abuse, wouldn't it?

[A]

Yes. Which again, I would say self abuse is very literally gay. And in this case, the only human beings that he's Engaging with other than this like jumble of metal and I don't know, it's like jagged. That sounds very unpleasant. But the only human beings he's engaging with are either just himself a guy, gay, or some other guy, you know, controlling the robot gay. So to me, you know, and it's like, it's. Look, gay just means happy too. So we're already using a word that is itself a euphemism. So you say, why is it, you know, when you're on a middle school in the playground, they're like, that's gay. And they're not referring to any, you know, light in the loafers, Cole Porter kind of activities. So you say like, well, what do you mean by that? And you mean something that's kind of.

[B]

How do you feel about gay coming back in that sense?

[A]

Yeah, I think it's good. I think it's not. Gay is coming back, but that's gonna be clipped. How do you feel about gay coming back? And be like, it's great, I love it.

[B]

I know the same sex attraction. And do worry that they find that deeply offensive to them.

[A]

I don't know. I mean, listen, look, I'm from New York. I lived in la, worked in show business, went to Yale. I have like a radically disproportionate number of friends of mine who were a little, how should we say, a little eccentric friends of Dorothy, shall we say, you know, kind of fella has a long handshake, let's put it that way. And what I'm the ones, at least I don't know the ones that I'm friends with, they're like, that's gay. They don't care. You know, they're. They'll come around. And they would not have sex with a robot. At least my, you know.

[B]

Well, that's good. So what do we conclude here? Having sex. The robot, you would say is gay? I would say gay by extension, but.

[A]

Not primarily gay by extension. Yeah.

[B]

No.

[A]

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[B]

Do I pick this up?

[A]

Matt, negative one. Did your accent contribute to your career success?

[B]

Yes, probably.

[A]

Obviously. What else do I have? Have you worn the yarmulke since your viral video? Every day when you're rapping to fill in. No. Wait, what?

[B]

It's at goodwill.

[A]

I gave up a point just for that answer. Do you think women selling their feet pics to men is pornography?

[B]

Is there a middle button? Yeah, I've answered yes.

[A]

It appeals to the pruriers.

[B]

I think it's pornography subjectively but not objectively so. I think that pornography is material which depicts erotic behavior which is intended to sexually arouse. I don't think it's objectively pornographic, but I think it's received subjectively as pornographic. So I'd say, yeah, sure, yeah.

[A]

And they're paying.

[B]

They're not paying for any other reason except to use it as a method by which to do something gay.

[A]

Yes, that was one time I had Brett Cooper on the show and I mentioned, I forget if I was wearing, like sockless golfers. And she goes, michael, she goes, you're just giving it away for free. You gotta sell that. And yes, it's obviously like, if I was into shoulders or something, and I was like, a picture of a shoulder is not objectively pornographic or obscene, but if I'm paying for it, it's doing something. It's doing something for me. Okay, here you go. You're up.

[B]

Interestingly enough, I think the opposite is also true. I think that you can have something that's objectively pornography but isn't received subjectively as pornography. We can talk about that another day. Ready?

[A]

Like for gay guys, like naked ladies would be objectively pornography?

[B]

I was thinking more like a police officer who had to review, like an abuse victim. But sure, we can go, oh, you're.

[A]

Saying stuff that would, would, would otherwise be objectively pornography?

[B]

Oh, 100%. Yeah. I think you can look at pornography and not sin, clearly.

[A]

Yes, that's true.

[B]

So that's why I like to make the distinction between looking and consuming. Consuming would imply receiving the pornography in the way in which it was intended to be received.

[A]

This is like, you know, I really love this. This is like when your uncle's like, yeah, I read Playboy for. You know, it's just casual sort of perusal.

[B]

Okay, well, think of a mother who finds her child's stash of pornography. Cause we're old.

[A]

So.

[B]

Back in the 90s. And she might be horrified at what her son has seen, but she's not actually consuming the pornography.

[A]

Let's try. I hope not.

[B]

All right, here we go. Ready? Drinking more than three alcoholic beverages in an hour is a sin in the eyes of our Lord. I said no.

[A]

You said no. I would say maybe. Yes.

[B]

Because that would depend on your constitution.

[A]

If you had, you could have. I mean, I could have 30, you know, drinks in a day and not sin. Maybe, but, like, I think it's hard to have three drinks in an hour and not be drunk. And isn't getting drunk a sin?

[B]

Yeah, getting drunk is definitely a sin. Aquinas calls alcoholics getting drunk. Once he calls you a drunkard. So it's definitely a sin. I just think that it depends on someone. You. Australian beers in an hour, and that'd be fun. All right, next question. So I lost that, did I? You did great.

[A]

Thank goodness.

[B]

Do you prefer a debate between someone who is Orthodox over a Protestant? Do you prefer a debate between someone who is Orthodox over a Protestant?

[A]

I don't even really know what you're asking.

[B]

How. I'll rephrase it.

[A]

Would you prefer to debate someone who's.

[B]

Orthodox over Eastern Orthodox over a Protestant? Would you prefer that? I'm gonna say that you would say no?

[A]

I said yes. Do you know why? Because we have more shared ground. Okay. Whereas if I debate a Protestant, you know, Protestant is just. It's a negative category.

[B]

That's what I was telling John Crist yesterday. Yeah.

[A]

I mean, it just.

[B]

What are you protesting against? John?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, definitely. You know, the guy in the Mozeda in Rome. But other than that, it's like, I don't. It's a moving target. Because I say, okay, well, Martin Luther said this. I say, well, I don't agree with that. Or John Calvin said this. I don't agree with that. At least with the Eastern Orthodox, they're also kind of divided. But you could say, like, all right, let's talk about the filioque. Okay, let's dig into the filioque, Mr. Beard. Okay.

[B]

All right. Is Sharia less compatible with Christian. Hang on. What is this? Sharia?

[A]

Shar.

[B]

How do I say this?

[A]

Like Sharia law?

[B]

That's what. I got it. Right. Okay.

[A]

You're so Catholic.

[B]

Why is he saying is Shar? Why wouldn't he say is Sharia law? Is Sharia less compatible with a Christian country than liberalism? Ooh.

[A]

Okay, now hold on now. Again, because of the illiteracy.

[B]

Why did that ask.

[A]

That pervades these questions. Yeah, is it? Is Sharia less compatible with a Christian country than liberalism? Is or is it. Is Sharia less compatible with a Christian country than it is with liberalism?

[B]

I don't know what they're saying.

[A]

I don't know that they know what they're saying. I'm gonna read it as, is Sharia less compatible than liberalism with a Christian country?

[B]

All right. Okay. I don't know. Yes.

[A]

Yes. Yeah, it is. Right. It's just liberalism is a perversion of Christianity, and it comes out of Protestantism, and Protestantism comes out of Christendom. And Christendom, you know, it's just like, it's all kind of of a piece. Whereas the Muslims, they just take, like, a Nestorian heresy and then turn it into Arab nationalism and, you know, chop people's heads off. It's just a different situation.

[B]

All right, fair enough.

[A]

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[B]

Having a shot at Matt Walsh with me.

[A]

I mean, I know it's very confusing now. Why not both? It's time for the final round. The prompt will be read. We will both look at our answers, we'll lock in our answers, then we will move our glasses to yes or no to see if we can read each other's minds. This round is worth double points.

[B]

Oh, good. Some failure.

[A]

I know I don't.

[B]

It's.

[A]

The thing in the prompter says it could change everything. I think I just won, though. I don't think it's possible for you to win at this point.

[B]

Thanks.

[A]

But watch anyway.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Do you believe non believers are fair game, but that Matthew 18:15 17 requires a private DM before calling out a fellow Christian's sin publicly? Or a fellow Christian's false teaching? That's already been posted openly on X.

[B]

Can we call out people without going to them directly? Because they're non believers, but if they were a Christian, should we approach them first? Is that what he's saying?

[A]

Sure.

[B]

All right. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. Okay, so I would say. I would. Yeah, I would say that.

[A]

You would say yes.

[B]

No, I would say no.

[A]

Okay, that's good for me to know when I move your glass. Oh, was I supposed to press that? Yeah, you lock in your answer. That's okay. Don't worry about it, though. So it's worth double points. So I would say no.

[B]

I think the general principle. Doesn't that hold for, like, atheists and Mohammedans and Jews?

[A]

Yeah, we're not just gonna reduce them to, like, moral dimitude or something? Okay, fine.

[B]

You can kind of attack them, by the way.

[A]

But maybe. What if I just secretly press yes? You gotta move. I don't know. I can see it.

[B]

I can see that you didn't. All right, what do I do?

[A]

You move mine to yes.

[B]

No, I'm gonna correct.

[A]

Oh, it's like I let you lure me also. We gotta move this box. He can see my answers.

[B]

I didn't mean to. I wasn't trying to.

[A]

It's so ridiculous. Okay, you're up.

[B]

All right. Will the end times as described in the Bible involve AI? So, okay, we lock in first. Okay. I don't know what that means. Sure. Okay. I'm really bad at this game.

[A]

Dude, did you say yes, yes.

[B]

Yeah, I guess it'll involve it in some capacity. It'll probably involve the main character or not, I don't know. But it's going anywhere.

[A]

It's not good. It's like, it'll involve polo shirts.

[B]

Remember that line, Dwight Schrute, who says, once this Internet thing is over? And I just thought, I don't think the thing's going to be over.

[A]

Do you think, though, to make that dumb question better, do you think that will AI be like a big part of it? Well, the history won't be written. Cause we'll all be singing.

[B]

I have no idea. What do you think? Do you have a strong opinion on it?

[A]

So some people think that AI is the Antichrist or something associated with AI will be the Antichrist. Peter Thiel has given public lectures in which he states the opposite. Peter Thiel, who's a big AI guy. Peter Thiel says that, no, the Antichrist is more likely to come about from trying to restrict AI, which is kind of convenient, you know, because he's got a big AI company. And so it's like a good marketing argument. Yeah, that's excellent. But it's, you know, Peter Thiel's a very intelligent, very thoughtful person. And so, you know, I think you have to take the argument head on. And I don't know, that's definitely the more libertarian side. It's like all the bad stuff comes from the government doing anything. But I don't know, like, if the AI told me, like, hey, if you try to regulate me, that'll bring about the Antichrist, I'd be like, you know, that's sounds a lot like something the Antichrist would say. Right. It does seem like a truly false God and certainly at least a modern day Tower of Babel. So it even pertains, you know, fundamentally to language. So, like, it does. AI seems kind of special. I'm a Luddite generally, but I think as far as technological innovations go, this one is particularly scary.

[B]

I don't know what it'll look like in the end times, and I don't know when the end times will be. So that's really hard to talk about. But one of the near future things results I see happening with AI is people, all of us will start to distrust what we're watching. And that will include podcasts, I imagine. Very shortly you'll be able to watch an entire podcast from your favorite host. And it won't be him, and it won't be what he wrote or said. And I think because of that, in person events will the demand for them will skyrocket and so the prices to go and watch Seinfeld or Metallica or Nate Bargazia, whoever will go through the roof because we'll just want to be together.

[A]

What if I told you and what if I told you that I am an AI and I'm not really here? And this is where the editors will edit me out and I'll become like a cloud of technology and then they'll bring it back and I'll like back in. And then I'll say go check out pints with Aquinas on Daily Wire, YouTube or wherever you listen to podcasts. I won. I look look forward to your obsequious advertisement. That'll be nice. I'm a robot. See you next time on yes or no. And this is where the editors will edit me out and I'll become like a cloud of technology and then they'll bring it back and I'll like back in. And then I'll say.

[C]

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