The Epstein Files: Benny Johnson Vs Michael Knowles | FACE OFF

Summary

The Michael Knowles Show: "The Epstein Files: Benny Johnson Vs Michael Knowles | FACE OFF"

Date: February 21, 2026
Host: The Daily Wire (with Michael Knowles, Benny Johnson, and moderator)

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Episode Overview

This lively Face Off episode turns the infamous Jeffrey Epstein files into a pop culture quiz show, pitting Michael Knowles against Benny Johnson in a battle of wits, wit, and the weirdest factoids from the Epstein case. With dark humor and rapid-fire questions, they unpack both the absurd and sinister elements surrounding Epstein’s life, legacy, and the ongoing internet conspiracy culture.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Tone: "Are you in the files?"

• Opening Banter (00:00–01:06):
  • Both Michael Knowles and Benny Johnson joke about their names "technically" appearing in Epstein-related files, poking fun at internet conspiracy and government documentation.
  • Michael: “I have to break this to your audience. I’m in the files. I’m in it.” (00:03)

2. Quiz Format and Dark Humor (01:07–03:26)

• The host introduces the Face Off quiz format, testing who knows more about Epstein.
• Early camaraderie, and a running joke about whose name appears in the files.

3. Iconic Artifacts: Clinton Painting & Other Relics

• Oil Painting in Epstein’s Mansion (02:23–04:09):
  • Both correctly identify Bill Clinton as depicted in a blue dress—a nod to the Monica Lewinsky scandal.
  • Memorable joke:
    • Michael: “There was plenty of glint on that dress. Okay. From the dry cleaner. It was covered. It splattered, actually, in glint.” (03:09)
  • Name of painting: “Parsing Bill” (04:01)
• Other Obsessions:
  • “Bride doll hanging from a chandelier.” (05:55)

4. Culture, Conspiracy, and Criticism

• On Clinton, Philanthropy, and Press Accountability (04:12–05:17):
  • Benny: “Bill Anthropathy… a little more about ill.”
  • Michael: “The fact that [Hillary Clinton] has not been asked… about Jeffrey Epstein… How’s that possible?” (04:50)

5. Eccentric Details: Gaming Bans, Jail Letters, and Prison Sounds

• Epstein Banned from Xbox Live in 2013 (06:51):
  • Michael gets the point; updates the “Fortnite” rumor.
• Prison Complaint Letter (07:45–08:29):
  • Epstein ends a complaint note with “Not fun!!”
  • Michael: “It sounded more like Epstein. I’ve read a lot of Epstein emails, so that sounded more like it: not fun.” (08:19)
  • Benny: “Not fun is the funniest one.” (07:45)
• Constant Sound in Prison (23:37):
  • “Reportedly, it was a constantly running broken toilet.” (23:41)
  • Benny (joking guess): “Nickelback.” (23:13)

6. Who Inherits Epstein’s Fortune & the Belarusian Dentist

• Quirky Will Details (11:24–12:04):
  • Both correctly answer: A Belarusian-born dentist (Kirian Schultzlich) was set to inherit most of Epstein’s fortune.
  • Diamond ring size: 32.73 carats. (12:36)

7. Conspiracy Dissections & Intelligence Connections

• Maxwell’s Release Odds & Her Father’s Spy Roots (13:08–15:34):
  • Discussion of Ghislaine Maxwell’s chances of being released and her father’s real-life intelligence connections.
• Theory – Body Double & Video Evidence (15:13–15:42):
  • Michael: “The most recent video of her and her deposition, like, doesn’t even… look like her. Different nose, different eyes, different ears, and they did the swap out mattress man…” (15:34)

8. Occult, Rituals, and Code Words

• Beef Jerky = Code for ‘Human Flesh’ or Worse (16:08–20:55):
  • Both quickly guess code word “beef jerky” refers to “human flesh” (16:31)
  • Serious pivot:
    • Michael: “Child and human sacrifice is obviously woven into occult practices since the dawn of time… If you assume that they’re occultists, which I do…” (17:26)
  • Benny: “Maybe I’m too naive… but some of this stuff where they’re eating babies or whatever, I just don’t buy it.” (16:51)
  • Extended discussion about the role of occult symbolism and the nature of evil in the case.

9. Epstein's Business: Middleman for the Powerful

• Facilitation of Power (18:25–19:52):
  • Michael: “The real business was like being a government facilitator between the public and the private space. That glue in between those spaces.” (18:58)
  • Benny: “He was like a shady dude who just kind of made stuff happen. And… moved between the darker spaces and the more public square…” (19:06)

10. The Quiz Showdown—Notable Questions & Answers

• Highlights:
  • Epstein’s nickname for Maxwell’s inheritance: The Belarusian dentist (12:02)
  • Odds for Maxwell’s release: 27% (13:37)
  • Epstein's gaming ban: Xbox Live (06:55)
  • Extravagant gift to Obama WH counsel: A Chanel purse—Kathryn Rummeler (30:35)
  • Woody Allen describes Epstein's dinners as “Dracula’s castle” (33:16)
  • Epstein's alma mater that accepted post-conviction cash: Harvard (35:29)
  • Name of ranch: Zorro Ranch (36:37)
  • Other island purchased: Great St. James (37:55)
  • Epstein’s net worth at death: $577 million (39:29)

11. Quotes & Banter

• On conspicuous cheapness:
  • Michael: “He was tipping like his DoorDash People, like, two bucks in the rain. And it’s like, you’re a billionaire, bro. You know, you could make someone’s day, tip him a thousand dollars or whatever.” (31:37)
• On conspiracy theory validation:
  • Michael: “They’re all just theories at this point. And the conspiracy theorists are up, like, a thousand to zero.” (15:34)
• On the occult in elite circles:
  • Michael: “When people sin a lot, they’re… dealing with very dark spiritual forces.” (19:52)
• On Whoopi Goldberg’s request:
  • Michael: “So Whoopi Goldberg gets down on our knees and begs Jeffrey Epstein for his jet… Epstein’s response is ‘no, thanks’—misspelled. … Whoopi Goldberg’s the only person that was too slimy and too repulsive for Jeffrey Epstein even to allow on the rape jet.” (09:49–10:30)

12. Final Banter and Endorsements (40:28–42:15)

• Benny’s 30-second ad for The Michael Knowles Show:
  • “No other show will put some of the most Secret Service protected children in the country at risk. It is Michael Knowles. And in the theme of the show that is of course, the greatest endorsement.” (40:28)
  • Anecdote about sneaking cigars at the Vice President’s house with Knowles.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Michael Knowles (00:03): “I have to break this to your audience. I’m in the files. I’m in it.”
• Benny Johnson (03:04): “You were barely a glint in your father’s eye when the Lewinsky scandal happened.”
• Host (04:01): “The name of the painting is Parsing Bill.”
• Benny Johnson (04:44): “Bill Anthropathy is what I think it is.”
• Michael Knowles (04:50): “She’s just now getting asked on the record about Jeffrey Epstein.”
• Host (08:55): “The fun thing with the no fun email... it was, it was no fun. With two exclamation points.”
• Michael Knowles (09:07): “[Trump tweets] are a great example of the greater overall point, which is like, you read through these Epstein emails and you’re like, these people run the world. They can’t effing spell.”
• Benny Johnson (31:08): “He wore a fake Vacheron Constantin... a man with an island had a total knockoff [luxury] watch.”
• Michael Knowles (31:37): “He was tipping like his DoorDash People, like, two bucks in the rain. And it's like, you're a billionaire, bro.”

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Important Timestamps & Segments

• 00:00–01:06 – Opening banter, "in the files" jokes.
• 02:23–04:09 – The famous Clinton blue dress painting and its sordid symbolism.
• 05:55 – The bizarre “bride doll” hanging from the chandelier.
• 06:51–07:02 – Epstein’s Xbox Live ban.
• 07:45–08:29 – The “Not fun!” jail letter.
• 09:49–10:30 – Whoopi Goldberg’s “rejected by Epstein” email.
• 13:08–15:42 – Ghislaine Maxwell, intelligence ties, and body double conspiracies.
• 16:08–20:55 – “Beef jerky,” code words, and theories about occult meaning.
• 23:41 – The broken prison toilet that tortured Epstein.
• 30:35 – The Obama counsel’s $9,000 Chanel purse.
• 33:16 – Woody Allen’s “Dracula’s castle” quip.
• 36:37 – "Zorro Ranch" and Epstein’s real estate.
• 39:29 – The final net worth question: $577 million.

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Episode Tone

• Darkly comedic, skeptical, and conspiratorial—riffing on the notorious and the absurd, the hosts and guests blend internet meme humor with genuine incredulity at the institutional failures and glaring oddities surrounding the Epstein saga.

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Summary Takeaways

• The Epstein Files remain a deeply weird, troubling, and at times darkly comedic archive, providing endless fodder for both ridicule and real criticism of elite power structures.
• Both Knowles and Johnson thread together serious analysis (on occult, intelligence, and elite enablers) with irreverent humor, capturing why the Epstein scandal persists in public consciousness and conspiracy cultures.
• The episode, while formatted as a game, critiques how much is still concealed, how the powerful avoid scrutiny, and how actual evil can hide behind banality—and sometimes, very poor spelling.

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For listeners who missed the episode:
This Face Off is as much about gut-busting banter as about genuinely probing what the Epstein case reveals. Come for the internet jokes; stay for the uncomfortable truths beneath the laughter.

Transcript

[Michael Knowles]

I am in the Epstein list.

[Benny Johnson]

No, you're not.

[Host]

Are you?

[Michael Knowles]

I have to break this to your audience. I'm in the files. I'm in it.

[Benny Johnson]

My name technically appears in the files because technically, I trafficked women for Jeffrey Epstein to less rugs.

[Host]

Today we're diving into one of the most discussed topics on the Internet. We're talking email, the testimony, and the unbelievably sus timing when Jeffrey Epstein allegedly unlived himself. Our guests are also two of the only people not mentioned in the 3 million plus documents. In one corner, a man who never went to the island because it would have been a mortal sin, the sin of taking a vacation day. Michael Null. In the other corner, a man who never attended a Diddy whiteout party because he wouldn't be able to wear a black T shirt, Benny Johnson.

[Michael Knowles]

Wait, hold on.

[Benny Johnson]

What?

[Host]

This is Face Off Epstein final. I will read a question. Each Coach will have 30 seconds to scribble down their answer, and the loser will have to give a glowing 30 second read for the winner. Well, gentlemen, I would ask what you did to prepare for this, and clearly y' all are no more of it than I do.

[Michael Knowles]

I have to break this to your audience. I'm in the files. I'm in it.

[Benny Johnson]

No, you're not.

[Michael Knowles]

Are you in the files? FBI briefing document notes my interview with Cash Patel in 2023, talking about the Epstein files. And so it says, the Benny Show. Far right podcaster. This is the FBI's internal memo to their top leadership. So my name does appear technically in the files as a Newsweek write up. All right.

[Benny Johnson]

If we're making confessions and stuff like that, I guess I should also point out my name technically appears in the files because I. Because technically, I trafficked women for Jeffrey Epstein to Les Wexner on behalf of Mossad. Okay. But a technicality.

[Michael Knowles]

That would be on brand actually here, so. Great.

[Benny Johnson]

This is not a joking matter, Mr. Davies. Can you cut it out with the jokes?

[Host]

How many emails did you read?

[Benny Johnson]

I try to know more about things than you do, Mr. Davies, but I've read like, three emails. I haven't. I haven't dug in a lot.

[Michael Knowles]

I know that. I came here with my suspicions that Michael was a trafficker for Mossad, and now they've been confirmed, so we can

[Benny Johnson]

just go home from now.

[Michael Knowles]

This was actually the point.

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

So.

[Benny Johnson]

Yep.

[Host]

Well, that may come up in a question later, but it's not the first one. The first question is, what color dress was Bill Clinton wearing in the oil painting seized from Jeffrey Epstein's New York mansion. 30 seconds. Wait. Don't show him yet. Benny.

[Benny Johnson]

I showed it.

[Host]

Showed it.

[Benny Johnson]

Too late.

[Host]

Blue. It is blue. Nice warm up. Question.

[Benny Johnson]

Do you know why it's blue, Mr. Davis?

[Michael Knowles]

That's easy, dude.

[Host]

I do.

[Michael Knowles]

That's easy.

[Benny Johnson]

Why is it blue?

[Host]

Why don't you give us the lore, Michael? Why?

[Benny Johnson]

No, you tell me. Do you know why it's blue?

[Host]

Monica Lewinsky's dress.

[Benny Johnson]

Because of Lewinsky. I didn't know if you. I don't know. You're young. You're young. You were barely a glint in your father's eye when the Lewinsky scandal happened.

[Michael Knowles]

We're the same age.

[Benny Johnson]

Well, that's true.

[Host]

Wait, because I. Do I figure both you guys would know this.

[Michael Knowles]

Well, there was plenty of. There was plenty of glint on that dress. Okay. From the dry cleaner. It was covered. It splattered, actually, in glint.

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah, well, that's how he got impeached. Yeah, that's how they proved it.

[Host]

That's right. And censor. But I do want to give whoever knows the name of the painting the actual point. I figured you both get blue. What is the name of the painting?

[Benny Johnson]

Is this, like, a famous paint? I mean, I knew he had it

[Host]

commissioned, but I think Benny's scribbling something down. He's got it. The painting was titled something. All right, Michael, what do you got?

[Michael Knowles]

Glint on my dress.

[Benny Johnson]

Okay, that's right. I said Moaning Lisa. Is it Moaning Lisa?

[Host]

I think for creativity. I think we should give you that. But no, the name of the painting is Parsing Bill.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay, okay.

[Host]

All right, so we'll give both y' all a point for blue.

[Benny Johnson]

Thank you.

[Michael Knowles]

That is paraphrasing Joe Rogan here. That is the. I gotcha bitch. Like, they. They knew they were. They knew they were cooked. Yeah, but, like, the. Like, I think it's amazing what's happening right now. Hillary Clinton's finally getting asked questions about this, and she's like, it was just for philanthropy. There's photos of him with trafficked women who are naked in a hot tub. So this is like the Clinton version of philanthropy? It is. I love it. I mean, I think it's incredible.

[Benny Johnson]

By the way, it's a little more like Bill Anthropathy is what I think it is. A little more about ill. Is what I think.

[Michael Knowles]

The fact that she has not been asked. She's been running for president. She ran for president for, like, a decade, and nobody asked her any questions about Jeffrey Epstein. How's that possible? Exactly. She's just now getting Asked on the record about Jeffrey Epstein. These are the first times Hillary Clinton has been in the public eye for 50 years. Never asked a question about Jeffrey Epstein. Not once.

[Benny Johnson]

Well, she wiped all those emails off her server, so it's only now. She didn't wipe him off his server is the problem.

[Michael Knowles]

This is, I think, a remarkable timeline. It's the sacred timeline. Very excited about it.

[Host]

If only we had the emails, we could do a whole other show just on the Clinton files.

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah.

[Host]

But we'll get to number two. What object was reportedly hanging from the ceiling inside Epstein's mansion? That raised eyebrows. There's a few things. This is the most iconic.

[Benny Johnson]

Hey, Brad, is that a real answer?

[Host]

Is that. Betty, don't reveal your answer.

[Benny Johnson]

Oh, good.

[Host]

Hold on.

[Benny Johnson]

All right, hold on.

[Host]

I'm gonna.

[Michael Knowles]

Oh, is this not a speed thing?

[Benny Johnson]

Do you have a bride hanging from his chandelier at a speed?

[Michael Knowles]

Either way. I mean, it was a speed thing.

[Host]

It was unbelievable. It was speed. It was a human sized bride doll hanging from a chandelier.

[Benny Johnson]

It was a bride doll. Okay, that's a little different. I just copied Benny, but at least we'll of points. Really. He had a Brian dog.

[Host]

Keep it in the holster until, like, we're ready to fire here. Okay.

[Michael Knowles]

It's a good advice you could have given to Clinton in 1996.

[Host]

All right, number three. Documents released this year revealed that Jeffrey Epstein was permanently banned from online gaming. From what System? Back in 2013.

[Benny Johnson]

From what system or what game system?

[Host]

It's kind of like an online gaming service, but like, the system works.

[Michael Knowles]

I'm using the acronym for it.

[Host]

All right, what do you got, Michael?

[Benny Johnson]

I said xxx box live and unalive.

[Host]

Do this the entire show. All right, Betty, what do you got?

[Michael Knowles]

It was World of Warcraft, I think.

[Host]

Pretty sure Michael takes the lead with Xbox Live in 2013.

[Benny Johnson]

I like that.

[Host]

The more current rumor is about Fortnite and the gamertag, but they're disputing that. The one that is confirmed is Microsoft.

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah, I thought it was the Fortnite thing at first, so I'm glad you clarified.

[Host]

Michael knows a lot about these emails. All of a sudden it's getting a little suspicious. Michael. But the next batch that drops. All right, here we go. Number four, a note reportedly found.

[Michael Knowles]

There's not another batch, sadly.

[Benny Johnson]

I thought there were still like millions unreleased. There are, but we're not getting them.

[Michael Knowles]

And it's our job. It's our job to get him to release them.

[Host]

All right, number four. In a note reportedly found in his Jail cell where he complained about giant bugs crawling on him, being burnt food, and being locked naked in a shower for hours. How did Epstein end that letter? Was it A, I'm not suicidal, B, I don't deserve this, C, not today, or D, not fun.

[Benny Johnson]

Not fun is the funniest one.

[Michael Knowles]

But I'm taking a guess at this

[Host]

one he's going to take.

[Benny Johnson]

It really could plausibly be anything.

[Michael Knowles]

So Michael gets the points when he read off my board. Those are valid points.

[Host]

We need third up in the air.

[Benny Johnson]

I get all those points. Bride, I say E. Bride.

[Host]

He's only had my one. Yeah. You want me to read through him again? You have your answers?

[Benny Johnson]

I have it.

[Host]

Benny, do you have yours?

[Michael Knowles]

I do. Sure.

[Host]

All right, Benny, what do you have?

[Michael Knowles]

It sounded more like Epstein. I've read a lot of Epstein emails, so that sounded more like it's not fun.

[Host]

Not fun, Michael.

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah, I agree. I think it's D, not fun.

[Host]

That's correct.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah.

[Benny Johnson]

Okay.

[Michael Knowles]

Who taught you to write?

[Benny Johnson]

You know what I tried to do?

[Michael Knowles]

What is that exactly?

[Benny Johnson]

I tried to do cursive. Like, really good cursive would look like this, but instead it kind of just. It kind of came out like. It kind of came out like that.

[Host]

Anyway, the funny thing, my three year

[Michael Knowles]

old's learning her letters and she does better Alphabet letters. They all do bubble letters. It's cool though, bro. It's fine. It's fine. That's fine.

[Host]

The fun thing with the no fun email that it was, it was no fun. With two exclamation points as well. No fun.

[Michael Knowles]

No fun.

[Host]

No fun.

[Benny Johnson]

It's kind of like an end of a Trump tweet.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Benny Johnson]

You know, like big. You know? Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, Right. Actually, Trump tweets are good. Like a great example of the greater overall point, which is like, you read through these. These Jeffrey Epstein emails and you're like, these people run the world.

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah. No, you know what?

[Michael Knowles]

They can't effing spell. They can't.

[Benny Johnson]

They can't even write, like, basic.

[Michael Knowles]

They can't write basic sentences.

[Benny Johnson]

I've noticed this, though.

[Michael Knowles]

And they're like piping down all their crimes.

[Benny Johnson]

The more, like, high status people get, the more I think it's almost intentional that they misspell stuff. It's like a. It's like, I'm too busy. Oh, I don't even want to check my. I don't even need to use the proper number of vowels. It's. I think it's a total power play.

[Michael Knowles]

So.

[Host]

Whoopi Goldberg.

[Michael Knowles]

I just read through the Whoopi Goldberg emails, which are so funny. So Whoopi Goldberg gets down on our knees and begs Jeffrey Epstein for his jet. Please let me use your Gulf Stream too. I need to go to Monaco, which is a $50,000 $100,000 jet trip. And she says, please come with me. I beg of you. And so this is the Whoopi Goldberg email. It's so funny. And Jeffrey Epstein's response to her is he goes, no, thanks. But he misspells thanks, so he can't even, like, turn down Whoopi Goldberg. So Whoopi Goldberg's the only person that was too slimy and too repulsive for Jeffrey Epstein even to allow on the rape jet. Yeah.

[Benny Johnson]

And, you know, you would think with some of the conspiracy theories, Whoopi Goldberg is almost Jewish, but she's not. It's fake. The Goldberg name is made up. It's not. I'm not saying Epstein's massad. I'm saying that you would. According to the theory, you would think Whoopi Goldberg could, but she can't, because it's not even. She's not really. Even really a Goldberg.

[Michael Knowles]

Fun.

[Host]

Speaking of people, who Jeffrey actually did, like, who was reportedly in line to inherit most of Jeffrey Epstein's fortune, is it A, Ghislaine Maxwell, B, an unnamed son, C, surviving parents, or D, a Belarusian born, qualified dentist? Easy one. Benny's ready to throw it up. Ten seconds.

[Michael Knowles]

Should do a speed element in this.

[Host]

I think we should. Now this is getting bad. All right, what do you got?

[Benny Johnson]

I said the dentist. The hot dentist. See its teeth with, like, big, luscious lips. Try to spice it up a little.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay, that. That looks like kind of like a. Like an Egyptian boat, like from the. You know, Pharisees or like. Sorry, not Pharisees. Like the pharaohs.

[Benny Johnson]

Oh, yeah, you're right.

[Michael Knowles]

Or like a Viking ship. Like, kind of like a Viking ship. Like with sails. Yeah. Okay.

[Benny Johnson]

Yes, Viking. Or like a pagoda.

[Host]

Yeah. Anyway, I thought the exact same thing. Good news is you both got it right. It's the Belarusian born.

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah, I saw. What's her name? I was actually reading about her.

[Host]

We'll get into that in the next question. How large was the diamond ring Epstein reportedly gave Kirian Schultzlich through the 1953 trust, signed just two days before his death. That's the name of the Belarusian dentist. Now, this is the closest without going over with carrots. Okay, how many carats is this diamond ring closest without going over? Just two days before he allegedly unaligned himself. All right, Michael, do you have an answer?

[Benny Johnson]

I say it's 19 carats.

[Host]

Okay. Benny, 30 carats. It's 32.73 carats. Benny with the dagger, tied game.

[Benny Johnson]

I thought it was gonna be 20, and I wanted to give myself a little wiggle.

[Host]

Mm.

[Benny Johnson]

Wow. Okay. Should have realized he's got a lot of money. Oh, poor guy. You know, and he was just about to get married. Those two young kids, you know, are like a bad term for the Epstein files. But like those two, that young couple, they were. They had their whole lives ahead of them. Struck down in his prime.

[Host]

That's what most people say about the Epstein files. Just tragic, you know? Tragic. Such a sad tale. Number seven, according to prediction market Kalshee, what was the percentage chance that Ghislaing Maxwell will be released from government custody? Closest. Without going over, what's the current betting odds? What percent chance does she have to get out? We good? All right, Benny, what do you have?

[Benny Johnson]

12.

[Host]

12%, Michael.

[Benny Johnson]

Wow. You really said. I said 53.

[Host]

It's 27% according to Kalshee. Chance that she has to get out.

[Michael Knowles]

So I'm technically closer.

[Host]

You are technically closer.

[Michael Knowles]

And he went over.

[Host]

I thought you were going to change it, you know.

[Benny Johnson]

No, that's really. Oh, that's bad.

[Michael Knowles]

She's got a 20. She's got a 20 year sentence.

[Host]

Yes.

[Michael Knowles]

She's going to eventually get out, you know, I guess, like, what's the lift? Eventually. She didn't die in jail. I doubt. I doubt they'll ever let her be a free person again. Yeah, right.

[Benny Johnson]

You just wonder if they were. Look, maybe the thing is, when we say that Epstein belonged to intelligence or had some relate. Obviously he did have relationships to like every intelligence service on earth, but I don't think he was like super spy Jeffrey. That said, like, Maxwell's dad was a spook. He was like a triple agent or something like that. You would just think if these agencies were as powerful as they are, like one of them would bail her out.

[Sponsor/Ad Speaker]

Maybe.

[Benny Johnson]

Or maybe not. Maybe not.

[Host]

Are you going to place any.

[Michael Knowles]

Dad got like a state funeral in Israel. He was like a totally agent, like, for sure.

[Benny Johnson]

But I think he was also MI6 and KGB. I think that's what clearly.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, he did like. He lived in England. He did like arms deals all throughout Europe.

[Benny Johnson]

That's the thing with these guys. I think they're like.

[Michael Knowles]

When he died, like the entire Israeli government showed up and he got a state funeral in Israel. So, yeah, I mean, that dude was like, for sure Mossad for me, maybe

[Benny Johnson]

they'll toast one glass of Manischewitz. But I don't think. I don't know. I've never actually been to Israel. I don't. They keep having wars, so I don't want to go.

[Michael Knowles]

But, like, I think you're right, though. I. Like, I think you're right. My new favorite conspiracy theory. It's not really a conspiracy theory. They're all just theories at this point. And the conspiracy theorists are up, like, a thousand to zero. Is that. Is that. You know, Ghislaine Maxwell was swapped out because the most recent video of her and her deposition, like, doesn't even. Doesn't look like her.

[Benny Johnson]

Interesting.

[Michael Knowles]

Like, it's different nose, different eyes, different ears, and they did the swap out mattress man, you know, so I've had

[Benny Johnson]

some tough jobs in my life, but imagine being the Ghislaine Maxwell prison body double. You have to really screw up in, like, you know, high school classes to end up with that gig. That's terrible.

[Host]

It's hard to believe the photos, too, because I fell for the Epstein and Israel Fortnite photos that were, like, clearly sora. I'm like, all right, guys, there's, like,

[Benny Johnson]

so many other AI pictures of, like, it's like Epstein wearing Groucho glasses. Like, guys, I don't think. Come on, what are we doing?

[Host]

I think I even said, very convincing. Yeah, yeah. Allegedly. To all this. All right, what was the alleged code phrase? Beef jerky speculated online to reference in certain emails. In certain email discussions. What was that code name for. For example, JoJo is here and will walk the jerky over to Jeffrey.

[Benny Johnson]

Does Benny have his answer?

[Host]

He's already.

[Benny Johnson]

Is it human flesh?

[Host]

Oh, yeah.

[Benny Johnson]

Betting

[Host]

Both Correct.

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah. Okay, wait, what did he say? Child meat. That's, like, such a grosser way to put it.

[Host]

It's crazy. Yeah. According to Reddit, it comes up 383 times. But that's Reddit can't confirm that, man.

[Benny Johnson]

You know, maybe I'm too naive or something. But, like, obviously, like, Epstein was up to some pretty, like, demonic stuff. Like, there was clearly a lot of. Even his reaction to the name of. It's this, like, really bizarre reaction when Steve Bannon asks him in this interview, and he's like, oh, Carpenter, like, what do you have to do with me? Jesus of Nazareth. But some of this stuff where they're like, they're eating babies or whatever, I just don't buy it. Like, I don't. Am I. Maybe I'm naive.

[Michael Knowles]

Kind of depends on how far you want to go into the Occult rituals. But child and human sacrifice is obviously woven into occult practices since the dawn of time.

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah, that's true.

[Michael Knowles]

And so if that's. If you assume that they're occultists, which I do, the reason why is that they treat human beings as subhuman. Right. So this is what they were doing with these women. This is what they were doing with these children. No one would treat a child of God this way. And so when you go that far down the pathway and you look at some of the art, you look at like what they were painting, you look at the visualizations, you just have to assume occult level practices on this stuff. And I don't think, I honestly, Michael, don't think that was the full op. I think that that was a side project. I think that the, the full op was actually being a bit like a fixer. Right. Between government entities and like get like a. Like a dark arts. It's like a mafia style, like hitman.

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

Between. Like I needed to get a dirty job done.

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

And you see that throughout the emails. Like everyone who has a filthy dirty job, they would go to Epstein. He would get involved. He was known as a guy who could just like get, you know, take care of this stuff. But as. But in order to facilitate business with these, you know, with people who are under mass surveillance or billionaires who can't just go. Bill Gates can't just go to a bar.

[Benny Johnson]

Right.

[Michael Knowles]

And pick up a chick. He. He had the island with the women. He had the plan with the women. Because he knew that's something that, like a lot of that, that. That greased the skids for his business.

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

The real business was like being a government facilitator between the public and the private space. He was like that, you know, that glue in between those spaces.

[Benny Johnson]

I agree. That's why when people say like, well, did he work for the CIA or Mossad or KGB or FSB or MI6 or this or the Arabs or the this or that? I think like, no. Like, probably no. Except yes to all of them. And incidentally, like, yes. Yeah. He was like a shady dude who just kind of made stuff happen. And like, I know those guys from New York. I know guys who kind of move in between the darker spaces and the more public square. And I think he was just that at the very highest level. Like, just think of the highest level. Lobbyist, crook, dodgy, money launderer, pimp, weird. Like just like the highest level of that was this guy. So.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah.

[Benny Johnson]

To your point. Yeah. When people sin a lot, they're touching on the occult in that they're dealing with very dark spiritual forces. And so, yeah, okay. If something like that did happen. Yeah, I think it was probably incidental to the business, whatever the business was.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah. I mean, again, there's no doubt that there are sort of through lines for this. There's one email where he's talking about, like a girl praying to Jesus Christ.

[Benny Johnson]

Right.

[Michael Knowles]

And then being. And then. And then being. I mean, it's totally. It's totally evil. It's demonic. You would never ever be able to do these kind of things, you know, unless you had some type of. You know, the spiritual lens is the only way to actually truly see through this. So. Yeah, I think that it is. I mean, obviously, Michael, I think that it is like a little, you know, it's a little bit. You know, it's a little. It's clearly code for something.

[Benny Johnson]

Right?

[Host]

Right.

[Michael Knowles]

So, like, I guess, I just don't know. Like, is it child meat? It's code for something that's the.

[Benny Johnson]

Right. What's it code for? Right.

[Michael Knowles]

You know, nobody. These people have private chefs. They have the best chefs in the world. They're all billionaires. Nobody ever talks about food this way. Nobody ever mentions jerky. Thousands of times.

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

Like, so exactly what is it? And it's mentioned in, like such strange, such peculiar ways. Is mentioned in a way that even if you were physically carrying beef jerky, you would never talk about it. It's like, what is it exactly?

[Benny Johnson]

Maybe there's a lot more to say

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[Host]

Yeah, well, fortunately, it didn't end up very well for Jeffrey. So move on to number nine. What constant noise reportedly drove Epstein to sit in his cell with his hands covering his ears. What was that noise? That was always happening in prison. Oh, Michael might actually win the speed round here.

[Benny Johnson]

This could be it.

[Host]

This be the only one?

[Benny Johnson]

No, I think this one's pretty obvious.

[Host]

Six, five. Benny's up. All right, Mike, what do you have?

[Benny Johnson]

Six, five. This is actually pretty close, so probably I said Nickelback. I didn't. I thought he was beating me by more, and so I went just for the joke.

[Michael Knowles]

But I don't actually know. I don't actually know this one. I assume there's like, a bunch of laundry by his cell. According to the schematics of the prison, there's a huge laundry, like, by his cell. So I assume maybe it's like the washing machine running all the time.

[Host]

That's close.

[Michael Knowles]

I don't know.

[Host]

Reportedly, it was a constantly running broken toilet.

[Benny Johnson]

The toilet. Okay.

[Host]

That drove him nuts.

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah, well, if neither of us gets it, then I feel better about writing Nickelback. Was there any, like, any photographs or anything?

[Host]

No.

[Benny Johnson]

Okay. All right, never mind.

[Michael Knowles]

All right, number 10 out of Nickelback in his cell. That's who did it.

[Benny Johnson]

This is crying. No, I'm joking.

[Host]

Holding the boombox by the door. That would have been great. How long did the guards reportedly fail to check in on Epstein the night he died? Is it A, 30 minutes, B, one hour, C, two hours, D, three. Three hours.

[Michael Knowles]

Who were subsequently moved out of the facility as quickly as possible given promotions, never had to answer the media. No career repercussions.

[Benny Johnson]

Just a coincidence. Was it two hours?

[Host]

Benny, what do you have?

[Michael Knowles]

I. I have C. I have two hours.

[Host]

Gentlemen. It was three hours or closest to three hours. Yeah.

[Benny Johnson]

Three hours, huh?

[Host]

That is correct.

[Michael Knowles]

Closest to. It was closest to closest huh. Well, I mean, the actual number technically

[Host]

is about three hours. That's what the reports were.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay.

[Benny Johnson]

All right. Okay. It was a little going. It was a little.

[Host]

Are we gonna fact check? Can we do a fact check at the control room?

[Benny Johnson]

No, it doesn't. We do have the same.

[Host]

That's right. Yeah, you're right. It would be tie anyway if it was two. It's either two or three, but it is reportedly it's closer to three.

[Benny Johnson]

Okay.

[Host]

All right. Number 11. How tall was Jeffrey Epstein closest about going over? Was he one of those guys? You meet him in person? It's suspiciously tall, you know, Is he suspiciously short?

[Benny Johnson]

Why does it have to be suspicious? Why can't he be ordinarily tall or short? I mean, because he's a suspicious figure. Yeah, yeah, he has kind of tall guy energy.

[Host]

That can't be right. Chad, GPT is saying the guards are asleep for eight hours, but clearly chat's messing up.

[Benny Johnson]

That's just like.

[Host]

Don't use chat. GPT.

[Benny Johnson]

That's just what, like, HHS recommends. It's like, yes, he drank eight glasses of water a day, too.

[Michael Knowles]

I don't. We ready making a guess based on a bunch of photos. You know, you've seen photos of him with Clinton. You've seen photos of him with Trump. I've met Trump.

[Benny Johnson]

Cause what's Trump's? Six, two, six, three, Something like that. So, yeah, I'm kind of basing it on the Trump one. I said five, nine.

[Host]

Five, nine. Benny, what do you have?

[Benny Johnson]

Five eleven.

[Host]

Trump is six, three. But the correct answer is five, seven.

[Benny Johnson]

Let's go five, seven. Yeah, kid.

[Host]

Michael, I say closest without going over. You guys are both over. So y' all both lost. He's still. I won.

[Benny Johnson]

He was only five, seven.

[Michael Knowles]

Wow.

[Host]

Five, seven. Wow.

[Michael Knowles]

You know, photo of him with Bannon. There's a photo of him with Bannon, too. And I don't remember Bannon being particularly short. But they're like the same height, right?

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah. So it's like weird.

[Michael Knowles]

Seven's pretty short.

[Host]

Hold on, hold on.

[Michael Knowles]

Pretty short dude.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Benny Johnson]

Hold on. I'm looking this up. I don't trust Davies's grock or whatever he's doing. Gemini.

[Host]

Apparently the source was wrong on this one. Yeah, because you brought up Trump's like, there's no way, because he's pretty close to that.

[Benny Johnson]

He wasn't five, seven.

[Host]

Yeah. So it's saying actually he's six foot. So who's closer to six foot?

[Benny Johnson]

Hold on. You know, what's your source?

[Michael Knowles]

You just make up five'11.

[Benny Johnson]

What's your source?

[Michael Knowles]

I said five'11.

[Benny Johnson]

No, this says around six foot, so we don't know. Hold on, I'm gonna ask Rob. We all agree. We all agree. Elon is right about at least 80% of things. Hold on. Grok, how tall was Jeffrey Epstein? Give me the accurate answer, not Mr. Davies nonsense. Lazy, sloppy nonsense. Gotta be insane. He's googling during the show. Okay, so his IMDb lists his height as 6 foot.

[Host]

That's probably not the right.

[Benny Johnson]

No one's ever been six foot flat. That means at most five' eleven. But it might be five ten. Look at this. CBS 60 Minutes said that he was six foot six. This is like. We just don't. Yeah, give it to Benny. I don't even.

[Host]

I'm getting so many conflicting reports that I think we just got to watch that question. Like there's so many different heights that it's showing. I don't.

[Benny Johnson]

I feel like you're robbing it from Benny, but I'll take.

[Host]

Where's the odd top of the year? Because what did Benny say? Six foot? You said.

[Michael Knowles]

I said 5 11. Which is.

[Benny Johnson]

Benny would get it. Except no one. Dude, how many times have you ever met someone who is actually.

[Host]

Exactly.

[Michael Knowles]

There's photos of him relatively like. Like not looking like a midget next to Trump.

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

Or Bannon.

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

Or Bill Clinton. You know, he doesn't look. He's shorter than them.

[Benny Johnson]

Notably shorter. But he's not. Yeah, he's not five seven.

[Michael Knowles]

You know, five seven would be very.

[Benny Johnson]

Would be.

[Michael Knowles]

Would be considerably shorter.

[Benny Johnson]

Would be Al Pacino style. Yeah.

[Host]

This is a gentleman's game. So you guys want to just wash this question out or do you want to go with one of these reports?

[Benny Johnson]

I want to get a better producer who can look up the answers first. Give it to Benny.

[Host]

No, I'm taking the point.

[Michael Knowles]

Taking the point.

[Benny Johnson]

Give it to Benny.

[Host]

Fine.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah. Because I'm taking a point.

[Host]

According to the autopsy, nearly 6ft, 185 pounds.

[Benny Johnson]

Nearly. What's nearly nearly?

[Host]

511.

[Benny Johnson]

10 is nearly 510 and 9 10. Or is it 5 11? I don't know what it is. So outrageous.

[Host]

Well, hope this next one is correct.

[Michael Knowles]

It wasn't his body anyway.

[Host]

So autopsy. Yeah, okay.

[Michael Knowles]

That's right.

[Host]

All right. What extravagant gift did former Obama White House counsel think? Uncle Jeffrey 4. In the released emails, is it A, a gold plated picture frame, B, a purse, C, a set of one of a kind pens, or D, artifacts from the Lebanon region,

[Benny Johnson]

A gold plated Picture frame is not only not luxurious, you can get one for, like, $11 at TJ Maxx. I don't. There's no way it's that, right?

[Host]

Don't you tell me. What extravagant gift did a former Obama White House counsel thank quote, Uncle Jeffrey for in the emails? Benny, you have yours. All right, Michael, you got yours.

[Benny Johnson]

Hold on, hold on, hold.

[Sponsor/Ad Speaker]

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[Host]

I just got a text that Benny's running away with this, so, Michael, you better get this right.

[Benny Johnson]

Okay.

[Host]

All right. What do you have?

[Benny Johnson]

I said bay root. It's the Lebanon stuff. You see, it's a bay and then roots. I'm trying to make it interesting.

[Host]

What do you have, Benny?

[Michael Knowles]

It's Kathryn Rummeler. It was a Chanel bag as a designer bed.

[Host]

That's correct. $9,000 purse.

[Benny Johnson]

I should have guessed that. Those old boxes at all. What do they care about?

[Michael Knowles]

It was shoes and a watch and a bunch of other stuff, but, yeah, purse was in there for sure.

[Benny Johnson]

Wonder what kind of watch it was. He wore a fake Vacheron Constantin. He had, like, a nice. Like you'd think it'd be a nice. I saw this on some forum or, like, post. Jeffrey Epstein, a man with an island, had a total knockoff Vacheron Constantin watch.

[Michael Knowles]

He's a. He was a dirty, cheap.

[Benny Johnson]

Yes.

[Michael Knowles]

Yes.

[Benny Johnson]

I'm starting to think he might have.

[Michael Knowles]

Swindler. It is amazing. It is amazing how these things, you know, it is amazing how, like, you can tell. You just, like, show me somebody's. Show me somebody's, like, tip history on UberEats and I'll, like, tell you so much about, like, who they are as.

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah. Especially when they're ordering a lot of beef jerky. You're like, this guy. So he's.

[Michael Knowles]

So he's. He was tipping like his DoorDash People, like, two bucks in the rain. And it's like, you're a billionaire, bro. You know, you could make someone's day, tip him a thousand dollars or whatever.

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

Or $3. No, it's like, it's. It's amazing how. It's amazing how these people. That Ronald Dahl is this great quote, and it's like, if you're ugly on the inside, it'll always manifest on the outside. And so it doesn't matter how beautiful you are. How beautiful. You start off with, like, you're. You're like horrible, twisted, warped people. There's always something that they're doing on the outside that shows you how sick they are on the inside and that, like, when I saw it, like, a DoorDash gets a $2 tip from this billionaire. I'm like, you're scumbag. It's like, scumbag.

[Benny Johnson]

That's why I try to treat ugly people as poorly as I can, because I assume it speaks to some kind of moral perfidy on the inside. So I'll forget about not tipping him. I'll hit him. I see him on the street.

[Host]

Speaking of disgusting people, he made the

[Michael Knowles]

right choice on Whoopi Goldberg.

[Benny Johnson]

Elizabeth.

[Michael Knowles]

At least he had the Jeffrey Epstein. He had it, right.

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, that's right.

[Host]

Yeah. Speaking of GROSS People. In 2000, in a 2016 letter written for Jeffrey Epstein's 63rd birthday, what did director Woody Allen say dinners at Epstein's home reminded him of? Was it, A, a White House state dining room, B, a, Renaissance court, C, Dracula's castle, or D, a James Bond villain's layer?

[Benny Johnson]

It could be two of those. Two of those are plausible. It was B, Renaissance court, C. No,

[Michael Knowles]

it was A, Dracula's castle.

[Host]

The correct answer. C, Dracula's castle.

[Benny Johnson]

Come on.

[Host]

Really?

[Benny Johnson]

I thought it would be either a Bond or Renaissance court.

[Michael Knowles]

It's a very accurate description, too. Like. Like, leave it. Leave it to the. Like, leave it to the artist to actually come up with the correct framing for all this.

[Benny Johnson]

Is it because, like, we were talking about eating children of young women?

[Michael Knowles]

Talking about drinking blood, eating children. Like, Woody Allen calling it.

[Benny Johnson]

Wow.

[Michael Knowles]

Like, calling it from the. From the half court line. Yeah, it was totally like, Dracula's castle, maybe. He was telling us about the jerky.

[Benny Johnson]

Wow. Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

So the weird. So the weird thing about this. Alex Jones was on my show the other day, and he was like. He's like. He's like, Dracula. You know, like, in the middle of an answer, Alex Jones will just, like, yell, dracula. And, you know, in vampires, it's awesome. And I'm like, where are you going with this, Alex? And he's like, well, that's the point about Epstein, is that he is the vampires. And I was like, unpack that. And he goes, well, if you actually go back to Dracula and the real Dracula inside of the. You know, inside of the Romanian. You know, Transylvania is in Romania, and you go back and you trace his lineage. It actually has direct ties to the current royal family. And that's why Prince Andrew was so interested in Epstein, because he's a vampire.

[Benny Johnson]

Oh.

[Michael Knowles]

And I was like, bro, I'm not

[Benny Johnson]

gonna look into that. I'm just gonna choose to believe it. I don't need.

[Michael Knowles]

That makes so much sense. It's actually. Yeah, it's actually perfect. It explains everything. These are just literal white walkers among us. And these are just vampires living out their vampire.

[Benny Johnson]

Who feed on the blood of young blond women. And on beef jerky. Yeah. Okay. All right.

[Host]

All right. Number 14. Epstein donated money to which prestigious university after his conviction. Is it A, Yale, B, Princeton, C, Harvard, D, Stanford. This is after his conviction.

[Michael Knowles]

The one I was thinking about isn't in the list, but we'll see.

[Benny Johnson]

You were thinking mit? I bet he was thinking mit, but I say it was Harvard.

[Host]

C. What do you got, Benny?

[Michael Knowles]

I was saying Harvard as well, but I got the.

[Host]

It's Dracula. No, actually it is C, Harvard.

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah. No, you know, say what you will about Yale. They never. They made a lot of missteps over the years. They never took money from the creepy island pedo. Billionaire super spy. They never took. Not a dollar to my.

[Michael Knowles]

Vampire. Vampire.

[Benny Johnson]

Vampire. Royal vampire.

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[Host]

All right, number 15. What is the name of the 72 acre New Mexico property purchased by Epstein in 1998, which is reportedly being turned into a luxury resort? Gross. What's the name of that place?

[Michael Knowles]

So is his island. Do you know this? So the island bought by a hotel group. You went there?

[Host]

No, I said we'll get there later. There's a question about it. Okay, but do you know the name of the ranch, Michael?

[Benny Johnson]

Okay, so you know Reagan's ranch in California is called the Rancho del Cielo. And so I suggested Jeffrey Epstein's was Rancho Del. Hello?

[Host]

All right, Benny, what do you got?

[Michael Knowles]

Zorro Ranch.

[Host]

Zorro Ranch.

[Benny Johnson]

Zorro. I never would have gotten it.

[Host]

There's still time, Michael, to come back. There's still time.

[Benny Johnson]

There isn't.

[Host]

Number 16. What is the name of the larger neighboring island Epstein also purchased? Is it A, great St. Thomas, B, St. Croix West. C, great St. James, D, St. Andrew

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[Michael Knowles]

I'm taking a guess here. I'm taking a total guess. I don't know. I have not been.

[Benny Johnson]

I really. He's. Would love to. Talking like a kind of guy who's been. You notice there, he's like. I totally. I'm just guessing. I don't know.

[Michael Knowles]

There are these. There are these YouTubers. Tyler Olivera, Luke Radowski, they're great. And they've went and broke into the island. Not while Jeffrey Epstein was in charge of it. But soon after, the temple was all boarded up, which I thought was very interesting. The only place it was cool to

[Benny Johnson]

get into the temple. I heard it was like a piano room or something.

[Host]

What do you have, Michael?

[Benny Johnson]

I said St. Andrew K. Because I thought the Prince Andrew thing would be a funny tie in.

[Host]

The correct answer is C. Great. St. James, the island next to it at the time.

[Benny Johnson]

Really?

[Host]

Yep.

[Michael Knowles]

So I got that one.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

I assumed if there's a little St. James, there's, like, the way that the nomenclature works. No, back in the day.

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

Like, I assumed there would be, like, there's a New York, right?

[Benny Johnson]

There's.

[Michael Knowles]

There's going to be big and little, and they weren't really.

[Benny Johnson]

I don't get the. Why would you. If your main island is Little St. James and it's off the coast of St. Thomas, if your main island is Little St. James, why would you then buy Big St. James and not just upgrade to that one? Like, why would you say, like, I only own Little St. James when you got the big magilla, Little St. James

[Michael Knowles]

had all the tunnels, you know?

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah, I guess that's true. It had the pagan temples and stuff. All right.

[Michael Knowles]

And all the tunnels.

[Host]

And Benny's right. They are turning into a luxury resort, which is wild. Almost as wild as how much Benny won by in this game. So, Benny, since this is a gentleman's sport, this doesn't have to end here. You can go double or nothing. All for broke. One last bonus question. Only if you want to, because you've already kind of taken away the lead here.

[Michael Knowles]

Appealing. Let's go.

[Benny Johnson]

He's going. Okay, here we go. Double or nothing.

[Host]

At the time of his death in 2019, what was Jeffrey Epstein's reported net worth? Close. Without going over,

[Benny Johnson]

bro. If he ends this game at 18 to nothing, that's going to be so sad.

[Host]

And this was the federal prosecutors, what they cited

[Benny Johnson]

at the time of his death. What was his net worth?

[Host]

Benny, what do you have?

[Michael Knowles]

I have $3 billion total. Random stab.

[Benny Johnson]

3 billion. I say $382 million.

[Host]

That is a wild difference between you two. The correct answer, according to federal prosecutors, cited the net worth of roughly 577 million in court filings in July 2019. Michael knows so much. He did it.

[Benny Johnson]

What?

[Michael Knowles]

He did it.

[Benny Johnson]

Just want to be clear about this. I'm the greatest to ever do it. I'm the best to ever play this game. I did not know almost anything going in. Benny did all the work. And then a fluke bonus question gets me my points. 18 to nothing. Let's go, baby. Whoa, whoa.

[Host]

Betty, I should have given you a heads up that Michael has won so many of these games on the last bonus question. Just with the Hail Mary. Last. Last one.

[Benny Johnson]

Whoa.

[Host]

But, hey, I don't care.

[Michael Knowles]

It's fun.

[Host]

To the winner goes spoils. So, Benny, will you please. We'll start a clock. Will you please give us a 30 second commercial for why people should tune in to the Michael Knowles Show?

[Michael Knowles]

The Michael Knowles show, ladies and gentlemen, brought to you by the Daily Wire and Mayflower Cigars. I know this as a May matter of fact. Mayflower, Mayflower cigars best enjoyed outside of the Vice President's house. After a couple of hard, strong bourbon drinks and the Vice President's staff yelling at us to get out and to not smoke so close to the home because there are children there. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why you should be watching the Michael Knowles Show. No other show will put some of the most Secret Service protected children in the country at risk. It is Michael Knowles. And in the theme of the show that is of course, the greatest endorsement.

[Benny Johnson]

Not only did you pitch the show, you also pitched Mayflower. And it's true, the hour was late. Some drinks had been had, people had left. And then Benny was like, hey, Knowles, I'm not leaving without a cigar. We gotta have a cigar. And I said, well, I actually don't think you're allowed to smoke at the Vice President's house. Said, nah, but it'll be funny for the story. Come on, we gotta do it. And then he cajoles a staff member to let us do it. And then it was great. We were out there hanging with Secret Service. If I were Secret Service, I would have shot us that day. But anyway, we lit the cigars with

[Michael Knowles]

like the little miniature votive Christmas candles that they had like sitting there for decoration. It's like the decoration candles. We actually swiped a couple of them because nobody had a lighter.

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah, it was good. It's one of my favorite Mayflower memories,

[Michael Knowles]

never getting invited back. By the way. It was snowing. It was like snowing, like blizzard level snow. So it was like epic.

[Benny Johnson]

It was very beautiful. It was very beautiful. I agree.

[Host]

That was epic. Just like that. Reed, Benny, thank you so much. And if you haven't already, go subscribe to the Benny Johnson show on YouTube and follow Benny everywhere at BennyJohnson. Also, drop us a comment comment of who we should have on next and what topic we should tackle in the next episode of Face Off.