Tough Questions And Real Drinks: YES or NO | Isabel Brown

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Episode Overview

Podcast: The Michael Knowles Show
Episode: Tough Questions And Real Drinks: YES or NO | Isabel Brown
Date: September 28, 2025
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Michael Knowles welcomes new Daily Wire colleague Isabel Brown to a lively, candid round of “Yes or No”—a rapid-fire, humorous game tackling major cultural and political debates. Over drinks (and plenty of banter), they dive into parental authority, social media, 'tradwife' culture, body image, Ozempic, religious loyalty, anime, masculinity, and more. Both hosts combine personal convictions, wit, and pop culture references, making for a fast-paced, engaging conversation about contemporary conservative issues.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Isabel Brown Joins Daily Wire

• Isabel shares how she was invited to join the Daily Wire right before giving birth, calling it "totally a God thing."
  • “It was totally a God thing that I got a call literally two days before having my baby girl about if I would ever be interested in doing something at the Daily Wire.” (01:53)
• Knowles jokes about having kids and new opportunities emerging through family life.

2. Parental Consent for Teenagers on Social Media

• Question: Should teens need parental consent to join social media?
  • Isabel: Yes. Emphasizes parental responsibility, expressing concerns over tech replacing parenting ("number of people that just shove devices in their kids face" (04:51)).
  • Knowles: Strongly agrees but supports measured state intervention:
    • “The law is a tutor...the social media stuff is quite dangerous. The Internet is just a portal to hell.” (03:24)
  • Both acknowledge social media’s unexpected positive role for conservatism among youth.

3. Can You Be a 'Tradwife' and Influencer If Your Husband Earns the Money?

• Both agree it's not really possible to be a "true tradwife" and a social media influencer, even without earning money directly.
  • Isabel references Ballerina Farm and media narratives about 'tradwives':
    • “It’s more in the eye of the beholder than how most people would personally identify. But personally, I would say no, you have your own brand.” (08:00)
  • Knowles: “The one thing I can tell you about tradwives, they're not on TikTok.” (08:53)

4. Body Image, “Metabolism,” and Political Credibility

• Knowles jokes about being called fat and whether one can be a political warrior while “losing the battle with their own metabolism.”
  • He points to historical and current leaders:
    • “Churchill was kind of a fad…Trump is the only politician I’ve ever seen age in reverse.” (10:44, 10:58)
  • Isabel warns about the virtue of taking care of oneself, but agrees gluttony can take many forms, including "fitness obsession" (Ozempic use).

5. Ozempic, Gluttony & Sin

• Is Ozempic the “new lobotomy” or even possibly Satanic?
  • Isabel: Yes, calls it an "easy way out," abdication of responsibility for health.
    • “Ozempic is essentially the easy way out. It’s saying that I have no responsibility, no consequences for my own actions.” (14:17)
  • Both question the moral and physical side effects—Knowles decries both excess and narcissism as twin forms of gluttony.
  • Isabel on postpartum TikTok:
    • “The number of videos I am constantly fed from other new moms saying, when did you guys finally quit breastfeeding so you could just start Ozempic? …I wonder how much of that's going to impact young women in particular, because this is being so hyper messaged to young moms, to young college students.” (14:43, 15:17)

6. Cosmetic Procedures

• Both disapprove of cosmetic enhancement trends.
  • Knowles: “I've forbidden my wife to ever get any cosmetic surgery…You're just going to be like your beautiful self, but…with lips that blow up to three times their size.” (15:53)
  • Isabel: “If you feel like you don't like how you look…go get your hair done. But all this stuff—the poke and the prod and…poisoning yourself—it's okay. You're beautiful just the way you are.” (17:04)

7. Rapid Fire Round—Anime, Video Games, Birth Control, and Star Wars

• Both answer rapid fire cultural questions:
  • Is playing video games a bigger red flag than watching anime? (No, anime is a bigger red flag, according to Knowles) (19:26)
  • Is birth control worse for you than nicotine? (Yes, per both) (19:53)
  • Would Knowles side with the Empire in Star Wars? (No) (20:22)
  • Isabel defends anime’s storytelling over most American TV:
    • “There is a depth of substance with the journey that the character has to go on that is extremely compelling. Whereas…most American…shows…miss the plot.” (24:41)
  • On masculinity: Isabel tells her husband’s “gigachad” approach to dating was a major draw.

8. Gender Roles: The Final Say in Marriage

• Is there ever a circumstance where a wife should have the final say?
  • Isabel: Yes, if the husband leads the family into grave sin. Otherwise, man should be head of house.
    • “If your family is being led into grave sin, you have an opportunity and an obligation…to gently guide your family in the other direction.” (28:10)
  • Knowles: Agrees, barring grave sin, man should lead.

9. National Loyalty vs. Religious Loyalty (Catholics and the Vatican)

• Do Catholics have dual loyalty to the Vatican and their own country?
  • Isabel: Ultimately, spiritual loyalty comes first, but it's not the same as legal citizenship.
    • “Our primary allegiance always has to be to Christ and to Christ’s law.” (39:35)
  • Knowles: Explains complexities of nationalism vs. religious authority using Dante, Jewish loyalty, and American history.
  • Both criticize “Americanism” as a heresy.

10. Superman & Immigration

• Should Superman be deported?
  • Isabel: Frustrated by new renditions, jokes about deporting Superman.
    • “Mainly I’m just upset with how they’ve handled this new rendition.” (32:55)
  • Knowles: No, keep him if he serves American interests, invoking political realism.
    • “If there’s some illegal immigrant who happens to be really good for America, I’m happy to make an exception.” (33:30)

11. Why Are Gen Zers Embracing Tradition and Catholicism?

• Isabel: “We crave tradition. We crave structure…that’s why Catholicism in particular is so appealing to Gen Zers. Because this is something that largely hasn’t changed for 2000 years.” (45:30)
• Knowles: Marvels at Gen Z’s shift toward “hardcore, common good” beliefs.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “The Internet is just a portal to hell, basically, the cell phones. And so teenagers are going to look at porn and terrible things, radical politics and nasty bullying and all, just everything. And so absolutely. I think the state has a role to rein that in a little bit.”
  – Knowles (03:24)

• “It's possible to be an influencer and not make a single cent from it. Like that.”
  – Isabel (08:45)

• “Trump is the only politician I've ever seen in my lifetime age in reverse. The guy looks better.”
  – Isabel (10:58)

• “Ozempic is essentially the easy way out. It’s saying that I have no responsibility, no consequences for my own actions.”
  – Isabel (14:17)

• “If you feel like you don't like how you look…go get your hair done. But all this stuff…the poke and the prod and…poisoning yourself—it's okay. You're beautiful. You're beautiful just the way you are.”
  – Knowles (17:04)

• “There is a depth of substance with the journey that the character has to go on that is extremely compelling. Whereas…most American…shows…miss the plot …it's all about the substance and the flash and the random gay, non binary character that somehow is the whole front of the show. Now. I don't see that in anime.”
  – Isabel (24:41, 24:58)

• “There’s nothing more attractive than when a man has a total plan and you don’t have to think about anything.”
  – Isabel (30:53)

• “Our primary allegiance always has to be to Christ and to Christ’s law.”
  – Isabel (39:35)

• “We crave tradition. We crave structure. We crave a tether to something that is foundational and doesn't change with the whims of day to day.”
  – Isabel (45:30)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:30 – Introduction to "Yes or No" game and Isabel’s arrival at Daily Wire
• 02:52 – Parental consent for teens on social media
• 05:49 – Tradwife vs. influencer debate, Ballerina Farm example
• 09:33 – Can you be a cultural warrior if unhealthy?
• 10:58 – Trump aging “in reverse” and public figures, body image
• 14:16 – Ozempic, gluttony, and moral concerns
• 19:26 – Rapid fire: anime, video games, birth control, Star Wars
• 28:08 – Who should have final say in marriage?
• 32:21 – Should Superman be deported?
• 35:53 – Catholics: dual loyalty to Vatican and country
• 45:30 – Why Gen Z wants tradition and Catholicism

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Overall Tone

Witty, irreverent, and insightful—a blend of playful competition, genuine cultural angst, and reflective faith-infused conservatism. Both Knowles and Brown mix humor, pop culture, and serious social critique, creating a vibrant, conversational examination of contemporary American (and Catholic) politics.

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Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Can you be a political and cultural warrior if you're losing the battle with your own metabolism?

[C]

If you're losing the battle? What is he even insinuating?

[B]

If you're fat and not a care of yourself.

[C]

I'm not fat. My metabolism is great. Thank you, Ben Davies. You jerk. You fat jerk. Welcome to yes or no, the bibulous battle to discover who knows whom best. My guest today is my friend and colleague, Isabelle Brown. How do we play? I will ask Isabelle a yes or no question. She will select her answer away from my prying eyes. Then I will guess how she answered. If I guess correctly, I get a point. If I guess incorrectly, I lose a point. No matter what, I will end up drinking. Then it's Isabel's turn. Neither of us has seen the questions beforehand. Whoever has the most points at the end wins. The stakes could be higher. Let's get started. Isabel, so marvelous to see you here.

[B]

Thank you. I'm so happy to be in Nashville.

[C]

You've been on my various shows a number of times, but this is the first time that you've been on a show since becoming my colleague, officially.

[B]

Indeed.

[C]

You're at the Daily Wire now.

[B]

I am. We are very hard at work.

[C]

How did we get you?

[B]

Oh, my gosh. It's been a long, long journey, but I'm so happy to be here. It was totally a God thing that I got a call literally two days before having my baby girl about if I would ever be interested in doing something at the Daily Wire. And that evolved between some back and forth to taking on my podcast, the Isabel Brown show, and turning it into a whole new level of awesome.

[C]

Wow. That's fabulous. That's great.

[B]

It is fantastic, man.

[C]

I don't know. I've got to have more kids because I've only have three so far.

[B]

And.

[C]

And, you know, Drew actually says this. I asked Drew when I was about to have my first kid. I was like, I don't know. It's crazy. Can I afford a kid? He goes, kids are little money bags.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

He says, they're little money bags. You have them, and then you just. New opportunities emerge. It's true. And that's apparently what happened here.

[B]

It is very, very true. I never expected it.

[C]

Do you know the rules to this game?

[B]

I do. And in fact, I've been watching your old episodes. So I'm hopeful that I have trained sufficiently to beat you potentially.

[C]

I'm glad to hear that, because you're a lady. You go first.

[B]

All right, drumroll, please. Should teenagers, Michael, be required to get parental consent to join social media? Yes, I would figure that for sure.

[C]

Right.

[B]

How do you feel about some of these states that are making laws about this, though? Do you think it should be a role of the parents or a role of the state?

[C]

Yes, yes, yes. And yeah, I think.

[B]

Interesting.

[C]

I mean, you know, look, there was this moment when I was coming up. You're much younger and more vibrant than I am, Isabel. But I, an old man. When I was coming up in politics, there was this thing where the conservatives never wanted to actually wield political power. So we'd say, you have to elect us and give us all this political power so that we can never use it ever. You'd say, why am I electing you at all? And so they would say, no, no, no, you can't. You can't legislate morality or the state can't have anything. I don't know. The state's pretty effective when the libs use it. You know, they're like pummeling us into the dirt. And so I think I have this more classical conception of politics, which is that the law is a tutor. St. Paul says that the law is a teacher. And so you want to make sure that you don't have too heavy a hand. You don't want like big daddy president just like deciding every single thing in your life. But the social media stuff is quite dangerous. The Internet is just a portal to hell, basically, the cell phones. And so teenagers are going to look at porn and terrible things, radical politics and nasty bullying and all, just everything. And so absolutely. I think the state has a role to rein that in a little bit.

[B]

I do. My only concern is that I think the state sometimes tries to replace the role of the parent. And if I've learned anything as a new parent, every time we are out and about in public, the number of people that just shove devices in their kids face.

[C]

Oh, I know.

[B]

It's the scariest thing I've ever seen. Already we've been FaceTiming with our extended relatives because they don't live near us. And it's insane how quickly, my 11 week old daughter will just immediately change her whole demeanor while FaceTiming somebody. So I do think the primary onus falls on the parents. And to play devil's advocate a little bit, I. I don't think we would have gotten to where we are right now with conservatism becoming mainstream and arguably the strong majority of Gen Z if it weren't for young teenagers being exposed.

[C]

To on social media.

[B]

No, I know for the last 10.

[C]

Years or so there is a kind of irony which is like no one should give their kids smartphones or the Internet. Except for my show. That's the one. Except, you know, so there is, obviously there's a tension there, but it's bizarre cause we got this crack through with the new media where we were able to win over younger millennials and zoomers and now I guess into Gen Alpha. But yeah, you don't want them to just have their brains turned to complete mush.

[B]

True.

[C]

Yeah. Okay, I'm up.

[B]

All right, let's see.

[C]

Is it possible. Is it possible to be a true trad wife and a social media influencer as long as your husband earns all the money? Wow, okay, that was a rollercoaster.

[B]

There's an important caveat there.

[C]

Is it possible to be a true tradwife and a social media influencer as long as your husband earns all the money? You would say.

[B]

The world may never go.

[C]

No. Yes. No. You would say no.

[B]

I would say no.

[C]

Every other chicken who goes on the Internet and tv. As a conservative, I love them. Many of them are close personal friends of mine, but they all defend it and they say, no, no, I'm a real trad wife. And I think, lady, you're on tv. What are you talking about?

[B]

Well, also, it's important to note the connotation of what Tradwife has like come.

[C]

To over the last few years. Tight fitting, kind of buxom shirt that.

[B]

And it's also just incredibly bizarre to me how the media and how social media has labeled certain women like Queen of the Tradwives. The best example being Hannah Neeleman, Ballerina Farm, literally. Mainstream media wrote up this horrible hit piece about how she's so oppressed by her evil husband because she has so many children and has them at home and then gets up and bakes sourdough later that day. But it's fascinating because she repeatedly has rebuked that title and said, I do not identify as.

[C]

She's not a boyish. I have no idea.

[B]

She has a hugely successful agricultural business. Her brand is called Ballerina Farm. Was a previous professional ballet dancer trained at Juilliard.

[C]

Oh, wow, that's cool.

[B]

And then they moved to Utah and they have this beautiful thriving ranch with a bunch of beautiful kids running around. And yet she at the same time competes in Mrs. World pageants and looks phenomenal doing it literally days after giving birth to her children, which is amazing. And people have this connotation or stipulation that she's a trad wife because she posts videos of herself cooking all of their meals from scratch, living in this beautiful idyllic farmhouse in Utah and going out and milking their cow. But she also has quite literally one of the most successful female run businesses in their country.

[C]

Right.

[B]

And she says, I don't know what you guys are talking about. I am not a true trad wife, so to speak. So I think it's more in the eye of the beholder than how most people would personally identify. But personally, I would say no, you have your own brand, your own.

[C]

Yeah, you just.

[B]

Even if you're not making money.

[C]

Because here's what happens. I mean, not for someone like you, who has been public for a long time, but for someone who has been private. And then they get married and they. Maybe they quit their job or they don't have a job and then they say, okay, well, I want the money from a second job, so I'm gonna make content. But I'm gonna make content about my really trad life. And therein lies the problem. Because you can't. The moment that you make the private public, the moment that you become a brand, you have forfeited. It might be. You might have a nice time.

[B]

It's possible to be an influencer and not make a single cent from it. Like that.

[C]

Certainly not. Yeah, of course not.

[B]

So I don't think that's a possibility.

[C]

No, I know. I just think like when you say, okay, well, here's. This is the trad wife influencer. Here's the. I just think the one thing I can tell you about tradwives, they're not on TikTok. That's not where they live. They live in their house. They don't live. Okay.

[B]

Which there's nothing wrong with. Let me just say this. There's nothing wrong with promoting traditional values as a woman on social media.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, I'm all for promoting it.

[B]

Doesn'T make you a trad white.

[C]

Yes, that's an important thing. You are an educator. You are an inspiration to many, but you can't, you can't be that thing yeah, that's right.

[B]

Amen. All right, let's reset. Michael.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Can you be a political and cultural warrior if you're losing the battle? With your own metabolism?

[C]

If you're losing the battle. What is he even insinuating with me?

[B]

If you're fat and not taking care of yourself.

[C]

I'm not fat. What? He would say the real you. Well, he would. Yeah, he's talking about the liberal you. Well, he would say he gets one of these, like, every time. He's like, hey, if you're a buttersoft, like, you know, little pudgy Pillsbury doughboy. But I'm not. What he would say is that I'm skinny. Fat. Like, I'm skinny, but I don't ever work out. So I'm.

[B]

I mean, you're Methodist.

[C]

Spiritually, seems to be doing great. Thank you. Ben Davies, you jerk. You fat.

[B]

Okay. Proverbial. You can. The proverbial. You be a political and cultural warrior if you're losing the battle for sure. Metabolism. You didn't hit your button.

[C]

Oh, sorry. Shoot. Ah, man, I gave away the point. I was so angry at that question. Yeah, fine. I won't lie.

[B]

You think you can?

[C]

Yeah. Well, first of all, I mean, the greatest right wing cultural warrior of our lifetime, Chris Christie. What are you laughing about?

[B]

Pinnacle.

[C]

Yeah. You're talking about Charles Martel of New Jersey. Moderate politics. Yeah, I think. No, you can. I'm trying to. I mean, Churchill. Churchill was kind of a fad.

[B]

Yes, this is true. And Churchill arguably saved Western civilization at one point.

[C]

Trump, he's a good looking guy and he's actually thinned down in the second term. But, you know, he's been a bigger guy in his life and he's the man. He's the man. I'm sorry.

[B]

Trump is the only politician I've ever seen in my lifetime. Age in reverse. The guy looks better.

[C]

I know. He's like, thinner. That was one way. I knew. After the first term, I knew he was running again and he was gonna win is he was getting fitter.

[B]

He got the glow up.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, man. This guy is in for it, man. Yeah, but so you think, okay, Trump especially is at least. He's just like a big guy. He's like six' three or something. Churchill was a bit rotund. Who else? Henry viii. Not my favorite figure in history, but he was a warrior. No doubt about it. He was a big fatty. I mean, he was like a big little English meatball. You know, big English meatball. So. Yeah, of course you can.

[B]

Although I Would say it's probably not ideal. Like, ultimately, especially from a religious perspective, take care of your own house, take care of yourself, and then take care of society at large.

[C]

Yeah, that's true. And gluttony is a sin. But, you know, gluttony cuts two ways too. There's like the Henry VIII version of gluttony, like big fatties. But then there's the. If you're obsessive about food and you're like an ozempic addict or something, that's also a form of gluttony that's fascinating to think about. Pickyness.

[B]

Would you argue that the ozempic craz seeing right now is actually like a cultural sin of gluttony?

[C]

Yeah, for sure. Because it's not, you know, a virtue is a mean in between two extremes. And so the extreme of being like a big fatty, you know, just stuffing donuts in your face all the time, is balanced out by the extreme of being a narcissist, you know, vain person in the mirror trying to suck down another pound. What you want to be, what you want to be. Davies is delightfully unconcerned about your weight and yet still not go over the top, you fat jerk. So saucy today. You know, I got called in for jury duty. I didn't sleep that well. I woke and now I'm drinking.

[B]

How'd you get out of it?

[C]

I had so many good lines prepared. I had some stuff that was saucy but wouldn't get me in actual serious trouble. But it was enough to, like, I was gonna make a robust defense of prejudice.

[B]

Ah, natural.

[C]

I had a good one, too. And then I was. I was going to talk about how I presume that anyone whose case is brought to trial is guilty because of statistics. And I had all this stuff. And then they did because they had a thing of. What's your name? What do you do? And so what did you say?

[B]

I'm Michael Knowles. I. I'm.

[C]

Michael knows I'm a right wing provocateur. Fascist. No, I didn't. I said, I'm like a right wing talk show host. And they didn't even call me up to interview me.

[B]

Naturally, that doesn't surprise.

[C]

But anyway, that's why I'm salty. And then Ben just. That's a finger in the wound.

[B]

Called you fat.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

That's brutal.

[C]

Called me fat. Whoa. That was providential. You know, Davies, for all the smack I talk about him, he's. He's good at ordering.

[B]

He thinks ahead.

[C]

Is ozempic Whoa, that's weird.

[B]

Actually, that's weird.

[C]

I have not seen these questions. Is Ozempic the new lobotomy and possibly satanic because it removes healthy bodily function without requiring self control?

[B]

Wow, that is one to ponder. Possibly satanic.

[C]

Possibly satanic. I think you're faking me out. You said yes.

[B]

I said yes.

[C]

Satanic.

[B]

I said yes. I'm going to bite on this one. I'm going to bite on this one. If we can argue that gluttony is. Which is a very grave, grave sin, Ozempic is essentially the easy way out. It's saying that I have no responsibility, no consequences for my own actions, my.

[C]

Own petard of virtues. Wow, you're right.

[B]

I've never thought about it in that context, but that is interesting.

[C]

You're not saying it's. You're not saying it's satanic like you know, the devil whispering in your ear. Exactly. You're saying it's satanic because it's about a vice.

[B]

Yes, quite literally. It is normalizing vice. The number of videos I've seen TikTok, by the way, has saved my life postpartum, like the number of times at 2am I've googled is this normal? And it pulls up a TikTok video. Thank God. But the number of videos I am constantly fed from other new moms saying, when did you guys finally quit breastfeeding so you could just start Ozempic? When can I start Ozempic? As soon as I can. Let's start Ozempic.

[C]

You can't breastfeed on Ozempic naturally because.

[B]

You'Re literally destroying your own body. You don't want to destroy your baby's capacity to digest food too. But it is a serious health concern. Already people are coming in with paralyzed stomachs and their body becomes insulin resistant forever. It's very, very complicated. What's happening. Long term health effects that we have no research on and no idea already. But I wonder how much of that's going to impact young women in particular because this is being so hyper messaged to young moms, to young college students. Like, just go on Ozempic. It's no big deal.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

And you can tell every time I call it Ozempic face. Yeah, you can tell.

[C]

I'm so innocent when it comes to these things. Like even Botox. It's hard for me to tell when people get. I have friends who I later found out they get shot up with Botox and even I look at them, they're like. And I don't Even that's something that's different.

[B]

Pretty good representation.

[C]

Thank you. Yeah. Did he get a suntan or. That's kind of my thought, the idea that people would do this stuff, because I think. I don't. I've forbidden my wife to ever get any cosmetic. Not that she wanted to, but I've totally forbade her from getting any cosmetic surgery because I think, look, you're. You know, you're like a little hottie now. So what's the best case scenario? What's gonna happen is you're just gonna be, like. You're going to be you. You're going to be like your beautiful self, but it's going to be like the lips that blow up to three times their size.

[B]

Not a lip filler fan, by any means. Okay. I'm so glad you said this, because I actually was talking about this with my followers a couple of weeks ago, and everyone was trying to make the argument that this is all for the female gaze, that women do this for other women, and that men actually hate every single one of these procedures.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. For sure.

[B]

Confirmed.

[C]

Confirmed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The furthest dog. Even lipstick is mostly for other women. I kind of like a little touch of red lipstick. I think it's elegant. But almost all of this is for other women. Yeah. And that. Yeah. I don't want to make fun. I feel bad for the women who have done this, but if you haven't done it, don't do it. I've never seen it work out well.

[B]

And it moves around. Like, if you get filler, it migrates to parts of your body. Actually, it's hugely concerning.

[C]

Yeah, don't do it. Don't do it. Ladies, ladies. If you've. This is a public service. If you feel like you don't like how you look or you do whatever, put the cupcake down. Do whatever you got to do. Go get your hair done. But all this stuff, the poke and the prod and you poisoning yourself, putting botulism in your head, and just. It's okay. You're beautiful. You're beautiful just the way you are.

[B]

Amen.

[C]

You're beautiful.

[B]

And apparently it's Satanic now, which I'm. I'm actually gonna go reflect on that for a long period of time.

[C]

You know, people who have way too much cosmetic surgery do start to look like Baphomet or something.

[B]

Giving the capitol in the Hunger Games.

[C]

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[B]

The moon landing is really in there.

[C]

Oh yeah. Are you moon landing pilled?

[B]

My husband is moon landing pills.

[C]

Is he?

[B]

I don't know that I have moon landing pills.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

He's a scientist.

[C]

What has he even meant by that? Like you're pilled on the moon landing. You're pilled that it didn't happen.

[B]

He's pilled that it didn't happen. He wants the conspiracy pack so bad. In fact, he literally said to me as I was headed out the door this morning, make sure Michael hands it to you.

[C]

Sneak it out. Yeah, that's good. That's good. There's a lot once you go down that rabbit hole. Oh. Dailywire.com shop okay, Isabelle, it's time.

[B]

It's time. I didn't even realize it was already time.

[C]

The rapid fire.

[B]

The rapid fire.

[C]

Ooh, you see that?

[B]

Nice.

[C]

How do you like that?

[B]

I'm ready.

[C]

So you get three questions, 30 seconds. No time to outthink the other one. I can still come back. That's not.

[B]

It's possible.

[C]

It's not totally over. Okay, ready?

[B]

Michael, is playing video games a bigger red flag than watching anime?

[C]

Wrong. It's not. It's a red flag, but it's not as big a red flag as anime.

[B]

Oh, we need to talk about anime. This would be a good conversation. Is birth control worse for you than nicotine?

[C]

Yeah, for sure. Obviously.

[B]

Throw it away, everybody. Would you, Michael, side with the Empire over the rebels in the original Star Wars? You wouldn't.

[C]

I wouldn't. I would not. It's like a. It's like a cute thing. It's a cute thing of like. Well, there were the established power and, you know, these were crazy rebels, but.

[B]

You know, you're a limited government guy at heart.

[C]

I'm. Well, keeping government within its proper limits. So you can blow up a planet if you have to. I'm not opposed to that. But. But it, you know, it doesn't. That's not an excuse for tyranny. St. Thomas Aquinas, you know, even provides an opportunity for revolution. Yeah, that's right. That's right. The greatest of all theologians. Yes.

[B]

He's laughing right now.

[C]

Okay. Are you. Hey, hold on. What was the first thing about anime? Anime.

[B]

Do you have a favorite anime?

[C]

Oh, yeah. What is it? I love the fourth one. I don't know. I don't know. I remember Pokemon. That's an anime. Yeah, that's an anime. I remember that when I was a kid.

[B]

It's like entry.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. Are you into it?

[B]

I've been getting slowly into it over the past few years. I've watched a handful, I will say as a standalone show. Attack on Titan is mind blowingly good. It might be one of what's good about TV shows. Ever.

[C]

For an adult or for a kid?

[B]

Both. Although it's pretty intense. So I would start it for like maybe a teenager.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Max of the young age. But for adults, it's a fascinating show and it speaks to, you know, tyranny and the plight of people when they're in situations where they need to overthrow. I mean, it's. It's very good. It's very good.

[C]

Do you, do you like other cartoons that are not anime?

[B]

Yeah, I like cartoons.

[C]

Like Family Guy or something?

[B]

Yeah. I never really got into Family Guy and now it feels like late to get into it. South park was a staple growing up in the mountains of Colorado. South Park, Colorado is very close to where I grew up, actually.

[C]

There you go.

[B]

Yeah, they always feature Casa Bonita. What a time.

[C]

No, that's right. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Would you, if you were single?

[B]

Yep.

[C]

You found out a guy were like really into anime, like freakishly into it? Well, yeah. I mean, you know, I suppose that you're speaking in degrees, I'm saying, in a binding into it, period. Would you rather you're told you're gonna go on a blind date with a guy and you got some gigachad who doesn't watch anime and you got some guy who does watch anime? Which are you more excited for?

[B]

Well, I think you're limiting yourself that the Gigachad may watch anime, to be honest.

[C]

Do gigachads watch anime?

[B]

I think so, yeah. It's becoming a very mainstream thing in the West. I mean, you have to keep in mind this is still relatively newish to our culture without the exceptions of Pokemon and Avatar the Last Airbender. But I think anime has the future to be very, very compelling in that the content of the shows themselves are still based in traditional masculinity. And heroism and doing the right thing when it's difficult and overthrowing tyrannical powers. Most of our Americanized Hollywood shows are just garbage at this point.

[C]

So why. Okay, okay, I see that. But why is that stuff, what is it about anime that makes it better?

[B]

I don't think it has to be animated versus live action. I mean, they're even turning anime shows into live action right now. Although they're butch. Was a live action rendition of the Last Airbender that came out and we were all so hopeful for it. And then they literally destroyed all of the characters. But it's just like the concept of the show, the meat of it more than the presentation.

[C]

This is my question because now it's sort of like Baudrillard hyper reality. Like you're getting so divorced from the thing. If anime is not essentially about animation, if you can have a live action anime, then this is my confusion on anime, which is fair. I'm not like a rote hater of anime.

[B]

Well, and I wouldn't call myself the expert either. I'm just an interested fan.

[C]

But my question is, if we have this world where anime can be live action, then what is anime?

[B]

Well, it is animated with CGI and special effects. It's just like the live action actor version, but it still requires. I mean, you can't have a flying sky buffalo in real life.

[C]

Okay. So it has to be. You have to have flying. Like that's basically my question.

[B]

There is a fantasy element I think associated with all of the best anime shows I've really enjoyed. And look, also anime is a category of literally tens of thousands of different shows. So I'm very being very categorical about shows that I've seen.

[C]

So it, the anime, it doesn't have to come out of Japan. It doesn't have to be, strictly speaking animated. It does have to have flying water buffaloes. And it's new, it's gaining audience. But so if you had to give me one sentence, what distinguishes anime from other today shows?

[B]

The storytelling and the plot.

[C]

What about it?

[B]

There is a depth of substance with the journey that the character has to go on that is extremely compelling. Whereas I feel like most American produced television shows and movie adaptations and all of that miss the plot.

[C]

Interesting entirely at this point. Yeah. Family Guy, there's no journey.

[B]

There's not a 20 minute journey. But even the book adaptations that we're seeing now, they cut so much of the plot out. It's all about the substance and the flash and the random gay, non binary character that somehow Is the whole front of the show. Now. I don't see that in anime. It doesn't exist. It's about the beauty.

[C]

What if a guy. So you're told you gotta answer your question. Well, no, that and then the second part, which is you're told you can go on a date. There's one guy, gigachad, doesn't play video games. Other guy does play video games. Which date are you more excited for?

[B]

More excited for? Well, I'm married.

[C]

You're married? Single. Isabel. He is a gamer.

[B]

He is a gamer. Many guys are in moderation. Right. He doesn't like, sit there in the basement.

[C]

This is my point on the 367.

[B]

365.

[C]

Yeah. My whole point on this question is I found many more normal guys will play the occasional video game than will watch.

[B]

I've been known to dabble in the occasional Hogwarts legacy stint.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

Okay. But that's the Harry Potter effects I thought it would be.

[C]

Yeah. Okay. Wow.

[D]

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[C]

Rapid fire now the rapid fire. You're up. We're being very rapid. I'm up. Okay. Are we living in the end times?

[B]

How is that a rapid fire question?

[C]

Yes or no? You're gonna say no.

[B]

No, I don't think we are.

[C]

No.

[B]

Every Generation has always said that has ick.

[C]

Culture warped Gen Z women's perspective on dating? You're gonna say yes?

[B]

Yep.

[C]

Yes. Is there any circumstance in which a wife should have the final say over her husband?

[B]

Oh, my gosh, you guys are trying to get me in trouble.

[C]

Is there any circumstance in which wife should have the final say over her husband? I think you're gonna say. I think you're gonna say no.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

You said yes. Okay, what's the search?

[B]

With some nuance. And I'm sure all the Internet trolls are gonna come for me on that one. No, I think if you're. If your family is being led into grave sin, you have an opportunity and an obligation as the wife to gently guide your family in the other direction.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. Is there any circum. So you're basically saying God has the final say.

[B]

Yeah, ultimately. And I actually think God gave women unique intuitive capabilities that men don't have. Right. We read body language much differently. I think we can assess the emotional impact of a situation much differently. But there's a reason women have gut feelings and usually they're right.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

One of my family's favorite movies growing up of all time is My Big Fat Greek Wedding. A cultural.

[C]

Yeah. I actually, I never saw it, but.

[B]

I remember there's a great line that we quote all the time is the head of the house, but the woman is the neck and she can turn the head any way she wants.

[C]

Well, this is the old observation. The hand that rocks the cradle is the hand that makes the world. But now to clarify, even though I was debating, do I. In some circumstance where the husband is like, hey, we're going to be Satanists now, you know, then you're not going to listen to it, of course. But barring grave mortal sin, barring the husband trying to lead the family into grave mortal sin, is there any other circumstance, you know, moving homes or whatever?

[B]

I mean, it's so hard to dictate that. My family is new, obviously. I've been married a little over a year. We are brand new parents, so we're very much learning on the job. And I wouldn't proclaim myself to be a marital or parenting expert by any means. Generally speaking, I think the man has the obligation to be the head of the house. That's how it was designed.

[C]

A lot of the time he doesn't even want to be.

[B]

A lot of the time he doesn't want to be. And sometimes you have to kick him in the butt to say, get up. You gotta do this for Our family. But. But it's that distortion that I think has really eroded masculinity in such really devastating ways in society. Totally. And why women have the ick factor to bring things closer.

[C]

Yeah, no, I think you're right. Because you're obviously right. If a man. And I do think it's basically, that's the only circumstance, which is if a man is leading your family into great mortal sin, you have an obligation to say, like, no, no, no, you know, the king's loyal subject, but God's first. But short of that, yeah, the guy's the head of the household and the husband, rather, is the head of the household. And a lot of the time Elisa said this to me the other day. We were debating whatever the subject was. And I don't know, what do you want to do?

[B]

What do you want to do?

[C]

Whatever you want to do. You tell me. What do you want to do? I mean, I think, hey, Mike, you're the head of the household, right? How about you make a decision and tell me what to do and go.

[B]

You go, girl.

[C]

Yeah. And I was like, you're right, you're right. I'm being a huge whim here. Like, I need. You're right. I need to just make. I don't want to make a decision on whatever it is, like Chinese food or Indian food or whatever, but I have to. And then, yeah, that's my job. That's part of the deal, man.

[B]

As a woman, there is nothing more attractive than when a man has a total plan and you don't have to think about anything. My very first date I ever went on with my husband, he didn't ask me on the date. We had known each other for a few days at this point, but he said, we're going on a date next Friday.

[C]

Said, me, Tarzan, you Jane.

[B]

And he had it all planned. And it was the coolest thing ever. I mean, it was awesome. There was no wondering. There was no, like, trying to secretly pull feelings out of somebody you up text or any of that.

[C]

It was just very straightforward, very gigachad behavior.

[B]

And now we're married.

[C]

That is. Yeah, there was like that chick. You remember that chick who. She was a lesbian and she went viral. She goes, I went on a date with this guy and he, like, just ordered me a drink and just bought it and gave it to me. I've never seen that before.

[B]

I mean, heck, JoJo Siwa is straight now. So I'm just saying the alpha male thing is pretty interesting.

[C]

It's back. Yeah, yeah, it's Back. Okay. All right, that's good. That's a good answer. Now, do you know what it's time for? Isabelle?

[B]

Double point round.

[C]

Is it? I don't know. I'm just reading what's in the teleprompter. It's time for the final round.

[B]

See? I was right.

[C]

Is that double point?

[B]

I think so, based on your previous episodes.

[C]

Now I'm glad somebody watched it. All right, the prompt will be read. We will both lock in our answers. Then we move our glasses to yes or no to see if we can read each other's minds. The round is worth double points. You're right. That was good. Good. It could change everything. It really could. Wow. Oh, man. You're up.

[B]

Superman should be deported.

[C]

You would say no is what you would say.

[B]

You would say yes.

[C]

Give me my points.

[B]

We both lost. I said yes. You said no.

[C]

Yes. Yeah, I said no. Here's why. Well, you're a little lady. You tell me your reasoning first.

[B]

Well, mainly I'm just upset with how they've handled this new rendition.

[C]

The director of this movie should be deported, that's for sure.

[B]

And that's sad, because I actually really like James Gunn's prior work. I do. I love Guardian. Sing Galaxy. You don't like Guardians?

[C]

I mean, Guardian is iconic, but, yeah, it was all right.

[B]

It's a shame. Unfortunately.

[C]

That guy, I don't know. You could deport him. I don't care. I know. Remember, conservatives were defending this. He got canceled. Whatever. Cancel him. I don't care.

[B]

Well, the thing that just doesn't make sense to me is the whole, like, immigration angle when he is a literal alien, not illegal alien. I don't get it. I'm mad.

[C]

Here's my based argument for why we shouldn't deport Superman.

[B]

All right, let's hear it.

[C]

The argument is, look, he's an alien, and I guess he's an illegal alien in the sense that he didn't have papers, but he is in the American interest. So we keep him because he's in our interest. And I think that's how we should look at illegal immigration to some degree. I mean, if there's someone, most of them should need to go back. But if there's some illegal immigrant who happens to be really good for America, I'm happy to make an exception. The sovereign is he who decides the exception. So, sure, I'm happy to make an exception if it really serves American interests. But even broadly on immigration policy, really the only factor that we should consider is if it serves American interests. That is how immigration policies have.

[B]

It's how it works all over the world right now.

[C]

Right now, where we live, including in our own country. That's how it's supposed to work. And so I think, okay, well, he serves our purposes good. We keep him. And Lex Luthor. Is he an immigrant? No, he's a citizen.

[B]

I don't know.

[C]

I don't know. Deport him anyway. So it's like. I just think we need to be a little more. The libertarian. The really ideological conservative would say, well, no, actually, you know, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. And if we're gonna deport a Mexican criminal, we're deport Superman too. It's like, bro, you can't tell the difference between face, tattooed, Mexican gangster.

[B]

You know, I understand that mine is stemming from a place of personal frustration, but I actually think I would agree with you.

[C]

No. And I would say the synthesis of those two ideas is. Deport James Gunn.

[B]

There you go.

[C]

Deport James Gunn for that horrible movie that I disappeared.

[B]

There's your thumbnail.

[C]

Yeah. I hated that movie. What I hated about it was it wasn't the worst movie I've ever seen.

[B]

No. Like, the story was actually okay.

[C]

It was fine. And it was actually talk about. We're talking about men and women. I felt the romantic plot was pretty. Pretty sturdy, actually. It was very traditional. I believed there was a real chemistry between the two of them. But what was the story? I didn't know what the story was.

[B]

It was more like Flash and substance.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Which is what I'm saying. We're missing the plot, even in things where we have the plot to reference.

[C]

I agree. Okay. So this is the last chance. Catholics have dual loyalty to the Vatican and to the their home country. Catholics have dual loyalty to the Vatican and to their own country.

[B]

All right.

[C]

You, Michael, you would say.

[B]

You would say yes.

[C]

No. You would say no. Both got them wrong. You would say yes, and I would.

[B]

Say you said no. Oh, interesting. Why?

[C]

Here's why. Because I should have said yes. I'm just too tired for you. I should have said, then I would have won. And that would have been so good. Here's why. Yes, obviously, we have a loyalty to the Vatican, which in principle could have some conflict, but not necessarily because the Vatican and national loyalty to America are not loyalties of the same kind.

[B]

Well, I would agree with that.

[C]

However, the reason this question is raised is because. Because people go after the Jews and they say the Jews have dual loyalty to America and to the state of Israel. And that's true, actually. But you'd say, well, Catholics have. If the United States went to war with the Vatican.

[B]

No, but I think it's a completely separate frame of reference. It's not apples to apples.

[C]

It's not apples to apples. And the hard thing, the funny thing is there are plenty of Jews who actually hate the state of Israel and they have no loyalty to it at all. They should have more loyalty to it than they do.

[B]

Well, I'm telling you everything I see on Twitter.

[C]

I know, believe it or not, but it's a hard thing because for the Jews there is a tribal identity which is real. I think that's good. The Jew haters say that's really bad. I think there's something actually kind of admirable about that. But it's why these accusations come up throughout the ages and often become very ugly and nasty. And there is a similarity with the Catholics, which is, I think, why Catholics can understand that better than other groups. But the similarity is imperfect because first of all, we haven't had the Papal states in 140 years or something like that. But also, even when we had the Papal States, you weren't a citizen of the Papal States, you were a citizen of your own country. Because nationalism is relatively new. Nationalism comes up with the piece of Westphalia and the Treaty of Augsburg and it's kind of relatively recent, so it's not. But I mean, this is where, where I would have to defend our super Zionist Jewish friends against the modern nation state type people is you could ask one of them, if the US went to war with Israel, who would you side with? If you claim loyalty to two nation states, you have a problem. I mean, even if you're, you could be a British citizen. If America goes to war with Britain, you have a problem. If you're a dual citizen. I don't have citizenship at the Vatican.

[B]

True.

[C]

But if the United States, if they reconstituted the Papal Zouaves and the United States went to war, Pope Pius xiii, you know, is invading the Holy Land and Syria and reconstituting. We're getting Baldwin and the US declares war on him, you and I would have a problem, wouldn't we?

[B]

Yes, we would. I think the way that this question is phrased is important because obviously we are not legal citizens of the Holy See. I think if the question had been phrased as the Hol BC instead of the Vatican, I may have answered differently, but it's been fascinating for me. I'm getting my master's in theology right now because I can't help myself, I get more easily. Thank you. And it's been really fascinating this last year or so, spending time sitting with and contemplating the role of nationalism and your identity to your country as a citizen versus your willingness to obey the Pope and obey the Vatican. And that's what your ultimate obligation is during this lifetime. Because ultimately the United States of America doesn't exist after we die. Heaven does. And that's the role of the Church is to get us there and try to bring as many people there with us as possible. So I've even been playing around with learning more about the sin of Americanism.

[C]

And that's, yeah, the heresy.

[B]

That's a conversation that people aren't really ready to have, I think in our country. But we do need to have it because ultimately our primary allegiance always has to be to Christ and to Christ's law.

[C]

So you're fully, you're Boniface pilled. I mean, you are like the Church has both keys, both swords.

[B]

Well, look, you can ask a gazillion different apocalyptic scholars and almost every one of them will tell you the United States doesn't exist at the end times, more likely than not. So I love my country. I am a die hard red blooded American. Your girl wore a maga hat on the COVID of Newsweek magazine in college. Okay. Like I will always defend our country and I think it's important for us to continue doing that until ultimately my obligation is to God and to Christ. And so my loyalty would also have to lie with, with the Vatican from the religious spiritual sense. Although I'm not a citizen of Vatican City or the Holy City.

[C]

Yeah, this is where I find myself, as is often the case in the Dante position. Dante, he always comes up. Dante was a member of the Guelph party, which was the pro Pope party fighting against the pro empire party. Because there were two the temporal power was the empire and the spiritual power was the Pope. The Pope also had a lot of temporal power and claimed temporal power to himself. Dante was part of the pro pope party, but he was part of the faction of the pro pope party that was pro empire. So he was sort of like a rhino. Dante was like the rhino of medieval Tuscany and Florence. Yeah. But he had this view. He said, look, the really hardcore pro Pope party, forget about your allegiance to the empire, it's just to the Pope, they would say, well, ultimately we control everything and the empire derives its power from us. And what Dante would argue and the pro empire party would say is no, no, actually the empire predates the church. And actually the church is born within the empire. And actually, in the fullness of time, Christ is born within the Roman Empire because the empire claimed jurisdiction over the world and executes him according to the civil law, which is why it's a sacrifice for the entire world. So, I mean, I think it is a matter of natural virtue to love your country. Of course, I think patriotism is an.

[B]

Extension of society, and I probably say the same. Right. You're supposed to obey the laws of your country.

[C]

You're supposed to give them to Caesar, what Caesar is. Yes. Yes.

[B]

Took the words right out of my mouth.

[C]

Yes. And so the only real, I think, synthesis here is we need America to be a confessional state. Right.

[B]

Amen. Amen.

[C]

Is that anybody? I think we lost. We lost some of the ideas. I got destroyed.

[B]

That's brutal.

[C]

That was brutal.

[B]

That's a beat down.

[C]

What you can do. In the meantime, as I drink away my suffering, go check out more of Isabel's content on Instagram at theisabelbrown and make sure to watch her show on YouTube. Do you know what it's called? The Isabel Brown Show. Check out this teaser. Isabelle Brown. Isabel Brown.

[D]

Isabel Brown.

[C]

Isabel Brown.

[B]

The wait is almost over.

[C]

She's joining Daily Wire plus with the Isabel Brown show.

[B]

Cannot wait for you guys to see how hard we've been working. I could not be more excited for this new adventure. You can expect larger than life guests, deeper questions.

[C]

I'm encouraged by it. I see what you're seeing.

[B]

The gift that you have as a woman to create life is the most badass punk rock incredible thing that you could possibly do. This is an active culture war that we are still fighting. And it's vitally important that we fight. Fight now harder than ever. To the nerds meeting the President of the United States and the Vice President and now meeting our new American Pope. This is crazy. Freaking out. I am so psyched to be bringing you guys along on this journey. Let's jump in.

[C]

Now. I love that clip.

[B]

Thank you. Thank you.

[C]

Someone criticized this. When this was announced, I promoted it. I said, this is great stuff. Thumbs up everything. And someone said, that's set. Hold on, hold on. Bring that back. Bring back the. Yes, there it is. So I was told on the Internet when I was endorsing your coming over, I was told that it's giving live laugh love. My argument was this. My argument was that live laugh love, much like the paintings of Thomas Kinkade, the painter of light, is not liberal kitsch, but is instead at A deeper level, deeply subversive, countercultural, right wing stuff because it elevates bourgeois morality, which the radicals of the left hate.

[B]

I might make the counter argument. I would say there is very obvious subversive, right wing extremism messaging here. We've got Star wars paraphernalia all over a fighting back. We've got a stormtrooper with a cactus growing out of his head.

[C]

Oh, okay.

[B]

And R2D2 over there. We've got Napoleon Dynamite. Easy comedy. Reminding you it's okay to laugh. Of course. The Eucharist and Mother Mary.

[C]

Oh, yes.

[B]

Is that Our lady of the Joan of Arc?

[C]

Okay. Wow.

[B]

The national parks, cowgirls, the whole nine. So.

[C]

Whoa, that's good.

[B]

They may think it's live, laugh, love, but the longer they look at it.

[C]

What does that say? Wow. I didn't notice the. And the monstrance. I didn't notice Our Lady. I didn't. What is the thing at the top left there? It's something we.

[B]

By grace I've been redeemed. By grace I've been restored.

[C]

Wow. And is there a saint there?

[B]

That is St. Joan of Arc.

[C]

Yes, that's Joan of Arc. Okay. Yeah.

[B]

It says, I'm not afraid. I was born to do this.

[C]

Wow, that's nice. Why is it, you know, I love this? Even though I'm an old man now, I feel spiritually a Zoomer.

[B]

We accept you. You can be a refugee.

[C]

Thank you. I appreciate that. Why is it that the zoomers are like, the millennials are kind of cringe and liberal, like classically liberal or whatever, and the Zoomers are classical, hardcore common good. Yeah. And the millennials are like, we can't know if God exists. Like, we can't. And the zoomers are like, God, like, you will submit to the Roman pontiff. Why?

[B]

It's true. I honestly think it was bred out of necessity because things just got so out of control that we craved tradition. We crave structure. We crave a tether to something that is foundational and doesn't change with the whims of day to day. And that's why Catholicism in particular is so appealing to Gen zers. Because this is something that largely hasn't changed for 2000 years. We can draw a straight line backwards in history and the classical liturgy and the substance of the Eucharist. And reading the church fathers is like all any zoober wants to talk about right now. Because your alternative is the Sparkle Creed in the Lutheran Church in Minnesota. Real thing is there where? Oh, yeah.

[C]

Were you Lutheran?

[B]

No, I Wasn't you just happened to react to a video literally reciting the spark of the female priests.

[C]

When I bring this up, though, with, like, the priestesses or whatever, I have these guys write in that say, hey, Michael, I'm a Lutheran. I disavow. I disavow.

[B]

There are two sects of Lutheranism, I will say so. The crazier one will be honest, but it's disheartening. When I'm in Washington, D.C. where I live, and I walk into the National Cathedral and there's literally a stained glass window of, like, blm because the Episcopals have lost.

[C]

I was there. You were there at the National Prayer Service.

[B]

I wasn't.

[C]

No, you were not there. So it was me. I was there, and I was sitting pretty close.

[B]

I wish I was there. Cause I would have had some great facial expressions for the media to pick up.

[C]

I was sitting right ahead of Posobec was there, and there were a bunch of us, and we were sitting on the left side, and then in the center right there was Trump and Vance and those guys. And so we're sitting here. Trump and Vance are sitting here. The bishopress lady was here. So we're right in the line. We can see the line. Right. And I remember when that lady was going off on the poor, aggrieved homosexual Apache or whatever. It was this amazing moment where they're like, oh, it's going down. Okay, great. Why is this, of course, the National Cathedral to you? Talk about the heresy of Americanism and the error of liberalism. The sin, frankly, the sin of liberalism.

[B]

Every wife knows exactly what Usha Vance was thinking in that moment.

[C]

Shut up.

[B]

Do not make him think.

[C]

Grab the thigh. Isabel, congratulations on your win.

[B]

Thank you. Michael.

[C]

I'm so glad you're here at Daily Wire.

[B]

No, I'm so excited.

[C]

I'm glad that you have watched this episode of yes or no. And I will see you next time. In the meantime, I will finish my drink.

[B]

Cheers. Cheers.

[C]

Cheers.