Trans-Women FURIOUS At Lesbians: Michael Knowles REACTS

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Podcast Summary: The Michael Knowles Show – "Trans-Women FURIOUS At Lesbians: Michael Knowles REACTS"

Episode Overview

In the February 15, 2025 episode of The Michael Knowles Show titled "Trans-Women FURIOUS At Lesbians: Michael Knowles REACTS," host Michael Knowles delves into the escalating tensions between trans women and lesbians. The episode navigates through complex discussions surrounding gender identity, sexual preferences, transphobia, and the broader implications on societal norms and personal relationships. Knowles engages with various voices, including celebrities like Kendrick Lamar and Blake Lively, as well as trans activists and lesbian commentators, to unpack the multifaceted issues at play.

Key Discussions and Topics

1. Introduction to the Controversy ([00:00] - [01:00])

   Michael Knowles opens the episode with his signature wit, dubbing the day "Sex Change Saturday" to highlight the ongoing debates surrounding sex reassignment and gender identity. He introduces the central conflict: lesbians expressing frustration towards trans women who they feel are undermining their sexual and romantic spaces.

   • Michael Knowles ([00:00]): "Okay, today is sex Change Saturday. I want that to be the permanent stinger."

2. Lesbians vs. Trans Women: Sexual Dynamics ([00:31] - [05:08])

   The conversation shifts to the core issue: trans women seeking romantic or sexual relationships with lesbians who may not be receptive. Blake Lively and Kendrick Lamar contribute to the dialogue, emphasizing the emotional and social friction caused by these interactions.

   • Blake Lively ([01:33]): "If you're CIS and you won't date trans folks, you're transphobe... We're human beings, not sex organs."

   • Kendrick Lamar ([02:14]): "There's no community notes correcting it."

   An exchange between Michael and a trans activist underscores the tension, with trans women feeling invalidated by lesbians' sexual preferences.

   • Trans Activist ([00:48]): "Lesbians... won't hook up with them."

   • Michael Knowles ([00:53]): "You half as well as you deserve of."

3. Genital Preferences and Transphobia ([02:47] - [05:08])

   A trans feminine lesbian commentator discusses the discomfort some lesbians feel towards male genitals, linking it to trans misogyny. The conversation highlights how these preferences can pressure trans women into undergoing surgeries to fit within lesbian norms.

   • Trans Feminine Lesbian ([02:41]): "The widespread penis disgust... makes trans feminine lesbians like myself feel really disgusting just for existing as lesbians in the body that we do."

   Michael challenges the logic, suggesting that such preferences are inherently transphobic and reduce individuals to their genitalia.

   • Michael Knowles ([04:10]): "It's every man's right to have babies if he wants them."

   • Brando ([04:25]): "General preferences are always transphobic. You're welcome."

4. The Debate on Therapy and Conversion ([12:04] - [13:48])

   The discussion takes a critical turn towards the concept of therapy and conversion practices. Michael argues that therapy’s primary function is to effect change, countering the notion of "conversion therapy" as inherently negative. He posits that individual's preferences should align with reason rather than subjective desires.

   • Michael Knowles ([12:04]): "The point of therapy, in principle, is to change your mind about something."

   • Brando ([13:48]): "Oh, and Mary Margaret showed me her penis."

5. Lesbian Commentator's Apology and Reflection ([08:31] - [12:04])

   A lesbian commentator reflects on inadvertently offending the trans community while defending her own. She acknowledges the sensitivity around terms like "male genitals" and expresses regret for her actions, aiming to reconcile her stance with a respect for transgender individuals.

   • Lesbian Commentator ([08:31]): "I've realized that I've hurt the trans community. Even though that was never my intention."

   • Michael Knowles ([09:26]): "I hate what you've done to us."

   Her apology highlights the challenges of navigating identity politics and the fine line between defending one's community and alienating others.

6. Mockery and Parody Elements ([03:24] - [05:52], [13:48] - [13:58])

   Throughout the episode, there are segments that appear to parody or dramatize the discussions, featuring a character named Brando who interjects with satirical remarks. These elements serve to underscore the absurdity and emotional intensity of the debates.

   • Brando ([03:53]): "And then I do not forgive, you."

   • Brando ([13:53]): "They're not like us. They don't like us."

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Blake Lively ([01:35]): "We're human beings, not sex organs."

• Brando ([04:30]): "General preferences are always transphobic."

• Lesbian Commentator ([09:26]): "Otherwise I wouldn't have responded to it."

• Michael Knowles ([12:04]): "The point of therapy, in principle, is to change your mind about something."

Insights and Conclusions

Michael Knowles navigates the contentious dialogue between trans women and lesbians with a critical lens, emphasizing the importance of personal preferences and the autonomy to make relationship choices without external pressures. He challenges the notion that denying romantic or sexual interests based on gender identity equates to transphobia, advocating for a reasoned approach to personal and societal norms.

The episode underscores the complexities of identity politics, where advocating for one group's rights can inadvertently lead to the marginalization of another. Knowles highlights the necessity for open, honest conversations that respect individual boundaries while fostering mutual understanding and respect.

Final Thoughts

The Michael Knowles Show episode delves deep into the frictions between trans women and lesbians, presenting a platform for heated debates and personal testimonies. By incorporating diverse voices and challenging prevailing narratives, Michael Knowles encourages listeners to critically assess the interplay between personal preferences, societal expectations, and the quest for authentic identities.

For those seeking to understand the nuances of this heated discourse, this episode offers a comprehensive examination of the intersection between gender identity and sexual orientation, inviting reflection on how to navigate these sensitive and often polarizing issues in contemporary culture.

Transcript

[Michael Knowles]

Okay, today is sex Change Saturday. I want that to be the permanent stinger. So what is this, a bunch of crazy videos?

[Kendrick Lamar]

Well, there's a lot of Internet drama going on, and if you follow, like, Kendrick Lamar and Drake, Blake Lively and accountability all the time.

[Blake Lively]

They not like us. They not like us.

[Kendrick Lamar]

The big one, though, are lesbians versus trans dudes angry they won't hook up with them.

[Michael Knowles]

Lesbians. A trans dude, meaning a woman who thinks she's a man?

[Kendrick Lamar]

No, no. Dudes pretending to be women, mad that lesbians won't hook up with them.

[Michael Knowles]

So the men pretending to be women are mad that the lesbians won't hook up with them?

[Trans Activist]

Yes.

[Michael Knowles]

It's not the lesbians who are angry at the men who think that they're women. That the men who think that they're women won't hook up with the lesbians.

[Trans Activist]

And I like less than half of.

[Michael Knowles]

You half as well as you deserve of.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Exactly.

[Michael Knowles]

Got it.

[Blake Lively]

I think if you're CIS and you won't date trans folks, you're transphobe. Now, if that made you mad, maybe it's your prejudices that you need to probe. No matter the reasons you've got, you're reducing us to when we disrobe. And that kind of thinking ain't sophisticated. It's more like microbes. But transphobia is transphobia. And you won't get a pass when we're through.

[Michael Knowles]

When we're through.

[Blake Lively]

We're human beings, not sex organs. CIS lesbians, I'm talking to you.

[Michael Knowles]

You won't get a pass for not sleeping with me when we're through. You won't get a pass.

[Trans Activist]

You will sleep with me. I'm a beautiful woman, and you other women, you will sleep with me or else. You're a trans woman. You won't get a pass for that. Or.

[Michael Knowles]

This is your beautiful pride culture, folks. That guy it is, ma'am, I am told, is allegedly a Northwestern professor. That can't be real. Is that real?

[Kendrick Lamar]

Allegedly.

[Michael Knowles]

That can't. That cannot be real.

[Kendrick Lamar]

There's no community notes correcting it.

[Michael Knowles]

All right, I'm gonna say allegedly allegedly, because I. That is. There are, like, three schools you can send your kids to in this country anymore. What is Ave Maria? Philsdale? Liberty, I guess. Franciscan. What next?

[Trans Feminine Lesbian]

One quick reminder to some CIS lesbians out there, but please stop centering your lesbianism around penis disgust.

[Michael Knowles]

Nobody wants to see your dick, dude.

[Trans Feminine Lesbian]

I'm not saying that any trauma that you have around them isn't valid, but I am saying that it shouldn't Define your lesbianism. The widespread penis disgust that a lot of CIS lesbians have is actually really trans misogynistic because it makes trans feminine lesbians like myself feel really disgusting just for existing as lesbians in the body that we do. It also creates a lot of pressure for transfeminine lesbians to get bottom surgery, which is very scary and expensive when we otherwise wouldn't just to feel valid within the lesbian community and receive support and not feel disgusting. So please stop and check your trans misogyny, since there's other stuff too.

[Michael Knowles]

I don't know if this is parody or not. It's so fluent that I think it's parody. But also I guess it's so fluent that maybe it's not. Because either it was all scripted out, the trans feminine disgust of the trans misogyny from the. Either it was scripted out perfectly or what the hell. The thing is, if this were parody, that guy is Brando.

[Brando]

And then I do not forgive, you.

[Michael Knowles]

Know, I mean that. Cause he didn't crack once. Ah, you actually. The fact that we. The fact that we have phalluses and.

[Brando]

That you don't like that really makes.

[Michael Knowles]

Us feel like kind of awkward in our lesbianism. Yes, you probably should feel awkward in your lesbianism. You are. This is like Monty Python. Next one.

[Brando]

Yes. General preferences are always transphobic. You're welcome.

[Kendrick Lamar]

No one asked you.

[Brando]

No, but seriously, deciding that you don't want to be intimate with someone because of the genitals they have is transphobic. This means that this person is not open to dating trans women, which invalidates their womenhood.

[Michael Knowles]

It's every man's right to have babies if he wants them.

[Trans Activist]

But you can't have babies.

[Michael Knowles]

Don't you oppress me.

[Brando]

Not only that, it makes assumptions about the way that trans people are going to want to use those genitals. The idea that trans people use the body parts that they have in the same way that CIS people with those same body parts do.

[Michael Knowles]

This is revolting, this conversation.

[Brando]

Say it with me. Genital preferences are always transphobic.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay, so the worthwhile thing that this person is saying is that preferences aren't everything. This is actually interesting and correct though. This person who I think is a woman is using the. I think I don't know is using that argument to the opposite of the truth, which is she says if you have preferences, if you're a woman and you don't want to sleep with a man, even a man who thinks that he's a woman, you know, you're phobic. That's awful. You don't have the right to do that.

[Trans Activist]

You are going to have sex with me.

[Michael Knowles]

No, James, I don't want to.

[Trans Activist]

Yes, you do.

[Michael Knowles]

No, I don't.

[Trans Activist]

Yes, you do.

[Michael Knowles]

No, I don't.

[Trans Activist]

Yes, you do.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay, yes, you have to sleep with the dude. So maybe it's a man. I don't know. There's intentional ambiguity here. However, the conservative would say the same kind of thing, which is just cause you have a preference that doesn't justify your desire to sleep with a person. In other words, if you're a man and you wanna do stuff like that with another man, the conservative would say, look, you're gonna do whatever you want, but maybe you shouldn't. You don't have to. You don't have to act on that desire. If you're a lady and you wanna do something a little odd with another lady, I guess you can. But you don't have to do that. Your preferences do not determine your behavior. Cause you're a rational creature and you can make choices. Choices in accord with abstract conceptions of justice and reality. Okay. Furthermore, if you're a man who desires to be a woman, who has a preference to be a woman, you don't have to pretend to be a woman. You can tether yourself to reality. But this argument is actually the best one I've heard so far. Which is, hey, preferences aren't everything. You're right. Preferences aren't everything. Preferences are subjective. Preferences can be divorced totally from reality. What will be stronger, what is more likely to guide you into flourishing, is to ground your behavior on reason and to bring your subjective preferences and your repetitive will into line with your reason so that you're being led by your rational will and you're doing things that are normal and conducive to your happiness. Right now. Go to hallow.comknowles as we enter into the holy and penitential season of Lent, the Church calls us to draw closer to Our Lord through 40 days of prayer, fasting and sacrifice. This year, Hallow, the number one Catholic prayer app, is making making that journey even more meaningful with their special Pray 40 challenge the way. Join thousands of Christians worldwide. Guided by an incredible lineup of faithful voices. Hollywood stars Mark Wahlberg and Chris Pratt will lead you through powerful challenges and surrender and sacrifice experience. Soul stirring prayer sessions with Jonathan Roumie and Sister Miriam James. Every Sunday, Father Mike Schmitz will nourish your spirit with his inspiring homilies complemented by remarkable true stories of faith that will strengthen your own journey it's never too late to begin this transformative experience. Right now, Hallow is offering an exclusive deal. Get 3 months free when you sign [e-mail] knowles when you download the Hallow app, you will discover a treasure trove of spiritual resources, guided prayers, peaceful meditation, sacred music, and so much more. You need to be holy, and to be holy, you need to pray. So start your Pray 40 journey today at hello, hello.comk n o w L.

[Lesbian Commentator]

E S I've realized that I've hurt the trans community. Even though that was never my intention.

[Michael Knowles]

I hate what you've done to us.

[Lesbian Commentator]

When I initially responded to that tweet, I was just trying to defend my community. Lesbians face a lot of hatred from people within our community and from, you know, straight people.

[Michael Knowles]

No fear. I want to be a lesbian.

[Lesbian Commentator]

I never intended to hurt anybody. I thought that this was just a common opinion. And I also realized that using the terms of female genitals and male genitals was offensive. I thought that they were just neutral medical terms that everybody used, but apparently.

[Michael Knowles]

Not from penis to vagina.

[Lesbian Commentator]

In a video in the comment section, I asked for alternatives to those words because I figured out that they were not appropriate. And I also never meant to agree with the terf. I didn't check the username. As many of you know, I get thousands of comments a day. I don't really have time to look at the username.

[Trans Activist]

Aren't I the popular one?

[Lesbian Commentator]

So I had no idea. Otherwise I wouldn't have responded to it. I personally have been not comfortable with the genitals associated with people who are assigned male at birth.

[Trans Activist]

An enormous wank.

[Lesbian Commentator]

Ever since I was a kid, I've never really been comfortable with it.

[Trans Feminine Lesbian]

Huge.

[Lesbian Commentator]

I simply wouldn't be able to date somebody with those parts.

[Michael Knowles]

Willie. You know, there's all this intentional ambiguity. But I get this. As a woman who says, I don't want to date a man who says that he's a woman.

[Trans Activist]

Dick.

[Michael Knowles]

Because I guess she's a lesbian. Notice the trick, she goes, ever since I was a little kid, I've been uncomfortable with male genitals. Lesbians are statistically much more likely than other people to have suffered abuse as children. Trans identifying people are much more likely than other people to have suffered abuse as children. The fact that she can say, since I was a little kid, I've really had this problem with the genitals of the opposite sex, Johnson would seem to insinuate maybe this was a problem there. And in her defense, she's saying, it seems to be insinuating, okay, I've suffered some kind of trauma and I don't want to have normal relations. And then the pro trans side is saying, well, you have to.

[Trans Activist]

You have to, baby, I'm re.

[Michael Knowles]

Traumatize yourself. And the whole thing is just so perverse and kind of predictable. But no one's allowed to. At least in the popular culture. No one's really allowed to state the hard truths as to how things have gone awry. You're not even allowed to say that it's gone awry. All you can do is make all of these apologies for making any kind of normative claim at all, as she is doing. Keep going.

[Lesbian Commentator]

It just brings up too much for me. It's just, it would be a bad relationship for both of the people involved. I would happily date a post op trans woman as long as she was a butch, because that's my type.

[Michael Knowles]

What isn't sexy about other butches? Oh, my God.

[Lesbian Commentator]

I've also never excluded trans women for my discussions on feminism. I've argued with my dad a multitude of times, trying to tell him that trans people deserve rights and deserve to have their pronouns respected.

[Trans Activist]

My pronouns are he, he, he.

[Lesbian Commentator]

I also did a presentation in 10th grade about how trans people should be in the military. I'm sorry to any of those who I offended. It was never my intention. You are by no means obligated to accept my apology. This was just an explanation of my intentions. And I'm really sorry. When I made the comment agreeing with the terf, which again, I had no idea that she was a terf, I didn't look at her username. In my head, I was thinking, it does sound vaguely reminiscent of conversion therapy to make somebody like something that they just don't.

[Michael Knowles]

Conversion therapy. This part at the end is a really silly claim. It sounds reminiscent of conversion therapy to make someone like something that they don't. So you're trying to get me to like men, but I don't like men, so stop trying to put me through conversion therapy. The term conversion therapy is a very silly term. It's a polemical term because all therapy is conversion therapy. All therapy. I know we're told now by both political parties, conversion therapy is terrible. All therapy is conversion therapy. No one in principle goes to the therapist and says, hey, I got all these problems, Doc, and I want you to not change me at all. I got all these problems. I'm really, really troubled. But make sure you don't change my mind or behaviors about anything. I want to remain exactly as I am, Doc. That's why I'm here at therapy. Shut the hell up and don't bother me again. The point of therapy, in principle, is to change your mind about something, change your feelings about something, change your behaviors in some way. That is what therapy exists for now. It's ironic that today, most people who go to therapy for years and years and decades actually don't want to change anything. They just want a drug dealer. They don't actually want a therapist. So they say, hey, I got all these problems. Can I have some Xanax, please? Thank you. Thanks, Doc. I'll be back next week. Oh, for God's sake. Again we go. But in principle, at least, the point of therapy is to change your mind about something. But if you refuse to change your mind, or if you refuse to believe that there's even an objective truth that you might change your mind to, you're probably not going to get very far. And you're going to remain confused and troubled, as these people are. I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael Knowles Show. See you tomorrow.

[Brando]

Oh, and Mary Margaret showed me her penis.

[Trans Activist]

They not like us. They not like us. They not like us.

[Michael Knowles]

They're.

[Trans Activist]

They kids. They're evil. They want to hurt you. They not like us. They don't like us. And they're not like us.