YES or NO: Riley Gaines

Summary

The Michael Knowles Show – "YES or NO: Riley Gaines"

Date: August 16, 2025
Host: Michael Knowles (The Daily Wire)
Guest: Riley Gaines

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Episode Overview

This episode features a spirited, often humorous round of “Yes or No” with host Michael Knowles and guest Riley Gaines, champion swimmer and women’s sports advocate. The show blends culture war commentary, tongue-in-cheek provocations, and personal anecdotes, with Gaines offering candid takes on competition, politics, health, and more. The two spar over surprise prompts, riffing on everything from transgender athletes to media bias, family, and the state of conservatism, all while playing a lighthearted guessing game that lets listeners in on their philosophies and personalities.

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Main Themes and Purpose

• Satirical and serious debate on the intersection of sports, gender, and politics
• The (often absurd) challenges of modern culture wars
• Insights into Riley Gaines’s public advocacy and personal values
• Broader commentary on immigration, public health “red pills,” and American conservatism

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The "Yes or No" Game Format

A recurring segment, the “Yes or No” game serves as the vehicle for unscripted cultural and political discussion. Both participants attempt to predict how the other will answer pre-written provocative questions. Wrong guesses require a drink—though as an expectant mother, Gaines sticks to water while Knowles has a martini.

Tone: Bantering, irreverent, self-aware.

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2. Riley’s Pregnancy and Athleticism

(1:32–3:08)

• Gaines reveals she’s late into her pregnancy and crediting her athletic lifestyle for an “easy” pregnancy:

  “Being fit, prior to pregnancy…has made my entire pregnancy feel like a breeze. No fatigue, no tired, no aversions, no anything.” (Riley, 02:13)

• Light jokes about drinking and cigarettes in pregnancy, making fun of old cultural standards.

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3. Transgender Athletes and Competitive Fairness

(3:35–6:15)

• Gaines asked if she’d rematch Leah Thomas for charity ("if Leah had the balls to do it").

• Gaines: “I think I could totally take them. And if I had a billion dollars to give to the charity of my choosing, ... it would go to, like, the most pro-truth, pro-reality, pro-science, pro-woman charity out there.” (05:46)

• Knowles questions if any principle is more important than a massive charitable donation, leading to the first viral line:

  “I would kick an orphan in the head...for $10 billion, I would kick an orphan in the head.”
  (Riley, 06:55)

  • They riff on how the media could take this quote out of context (“Mediaite headline: Riley Gaines would kick orphan in the head.” 06:52).

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4. Social Media Harassment and Athlete Advocacy

(7:08–7:59)

• Gaines calls out Keith Olbermann for his ongoing social media harassment and challenges him to a charity race, saying:

  “I would challenge Keith Olbermann too. And...I would have money to a charity of my choosing.”
  (Riley, 08:00)

  “Would you kick him in the head?”
  — “Happily. For free. I would pay him to kick him in the head.”
  (08:06)

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5. Legal Immigration and Personal Experience

(8:33–10:35)

• Gaines shares her husband’s green card journey thwarted by vaccine mandates, solved post-inauguration by Trump. She voices little sympathy for illegal immigrants due to having “done it the right way.”

  “I...don’t really have a ton of sympathy for those who don’t do it the right way.” (09:53)

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6. Conspiracies, Epstein, and Institutional Secrecy

(11:01–15:41)

• A viewing of the Epstein jail cell footage jump cut prompts Knowles’s skepticism:

  “I think what didn’t happen [is] he was just kind of hanging out in his cell and no one came to bother him. But I don’t know what happened.” (Michael, 12:27)

• Discussion on the implications of government secrecy, Epstein files, and how exposing high-level corruption could “unravel the global order.”

  “If just what we know turns out to be true and taken to its logical conclusion...you would be unraveling the global order.” (Michael, 17:19)

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7. Keith Olbermann, Celebrity Downfalls, and ESPN

(18:17–21:08)

• Knowles and Gaines poke fun at Olbermann’s decline from respected ESPN personality to “X” troll, with Gaines noting her dad’s disillusionment.

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8. On Maternity Leave and Pronatal Policy

(23:05–26:41)

• Prompt: Should the federal government pay for maternity leave?
• Knowles, surprising Gaines, supports national family policy for boosting birthrates:

  “Basically the only policy that matters right now is getting people to have more kids.” (24:53)

• Both agree action is needed, with Knowles riffing about using wasteful spending on incentives for marriage and childbirth.

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9. Health “Red Pills”: Fluoride, Big Tooth, Sunscreen, Seed Oils

(29:34–41:41)

• Gaines, a former dental student, dismisses “Big Tooth” conspiracy fears, giving a pro-fluoride, pro-dentist stance:

  “We’ve been using toothpaste with fluoride...for years. I’m of the mind that I don’t believe in Big Tooth.” (31:17)

• Knowles details his wife converting him to crunchy skepticism on sunscreen and deodorant:

  “If the crunchy weirdos are right about the seed oils, they could be right about other stuff...” (39:09)

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10. Rapid-Fire Round: Conservative Satire

(36:14–52:30)
A series of quick, provocative questions prompt fast takes and laughter:

• Is Will Smith a closet homosexual?

• Is there a conspiracy to hide Noah’s Flood?

• Is sunscreen giving us cancer?

• Does Livvy Dunne set a good example for female athletes as long as she avoids OnlyFans?

  “…she’s done a fantastic job of marketing herself and her abilities and profiting off that, which I can respect. I think there are some things that she does that I’m, like, maybe questionable.” (Riley, 44:04)

• Is homosexuality more nature or nurture?

  “No, I’m very much of the mindset...especially today, seeing the social contagion of it...it is more of nurture than nature.” (Riley, 46:12)

• Is it disordered to have guys and girls training together in swimsuits?

  “We called it swim cest. Like, it’s a thing, of course, where swimmers… just date other swimmers.” (Riley, 64:39)

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11. Personal Regrets and Representation

(50:44–53:42)

• Discussion of the “Conservative Dad's Real Women of America” calendar, which Gaines regrets participating in:

  “This still is not a good representation of just me in general, how I conduct myself...” (51:36)

  • Praises the value of admitting regret—rare in politics and public life.

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12. Closing Reflections: Gender in Sports and Culture

(56:35–66:07)

• Final questions touch on denominational shifts in Christianity, the self-perpetuating “swimcest” phenomenon, and the pitfalls of co-education.
• Mutual congratulation, with Gaines ironically declared the “winner” for having the lowest point score.

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Memorable Quotes and Moments

• “I would kick an orphan in the head...for $10 billion!”
  (Riley, 06:55)
  (A running joke and meta headline-watching about how this could be clipped)

• “Basically the only policy that matters right now is getting people to have more kids.”
  (Michael, 24:53)

• "No, I regret this."
  (Riley, on her calendar appearance, 53:24)

• “We called it swim cest. Like it’s a thing, of course, where swimmers...just date other swimmers.”
  (Riley, 64:39)

• “That's why I want to thank you for doing your patriotic...doing my service to America.”
  (Michael & Riley, 26:41, tongue-in-cheek about Riley’s pregnancy)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Pregnancy & Athleticism: 01:32–03:08
• Transgender Athletes/Rematch with Leah Thomas: 03:35–06:15
• Orphan Kick Joke/Media Satire: 06:34–07:04, 06:55
• Social Media Harassment, Olbermann: 07:08–08:06
• Immigration & COVID/Vaccines: 08:33–10:35
• Epstein Footage & Conspiracies: 11:01–15:41
• Maternity Leave & Natal Policy: 23:05–26:41
• Health Myths & “Big Tooth”: 29:34–34:35
• Rapid Fire Round: 36:14–52:30
• Personal Regret & Authenticity: 50:44–53:42
• Final Round & Sport/Gender Culture: 56:35–66:07

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Conclusion

This episode encapsulates the peculiar blend of humor, social critique, and personal candor central to the Michael Knowles Show. Riley Gaines's presence brings both firsthand gravitas (as an athlete navigating today's gender politics) and refreshing self-awareness. Their exchange is lively, ironic, and self-satirizing—never straying too far from the headline-grabbing absurdity of the modern culture war but still circling back to earnest questions about values, faith, and finding one’s path.

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For more, follow Riley on Instagram (@rileygbarker) and catch her show "Gaines for Girls" on Outkick.

Transcript

[A]

These are questions that take cultures thousands of years to answer. During Answer the Call, I take questions from people just like you about their problems, opportunities, challenges, or when they simply need advice. How do I balance all of this? Grief, Responsibility? How do you repair this kind of damage? My daughter, Michaela guides the conversations as we hopefully help people navigate their lives. Everyone has their own destiny. Everyone.

[B]

I would kick an orphan in the head to.

[A]

You would kick an orphan in the head.

[B]

This is the clip. Riley Gaines. I would kick an orphan in the head.

[A]

Mediaite headline. Riley Gaines would kick orphan in the head.

[B]

I can't.

[A]

For money. Welcome to yes or no, the bibulous battle to discover who knows whom better. My guest today is Riley Gaines. How do we play? I will ask Riley a yes or no question. She will select her answer away from my prying eyes. Then I will guess how she answered. If I guess correctly, I get a point. If I guess incorrectly, I lose a point. No matter what, I will probably end up drinking. Then it's Riley's turn. Neither of us has seen the questions beforehand. Whoever has the most points at the end wins. The stakes could be higher. Let's get started. Riley, good to see you.

[B]

Good to see you. I'm excited.

[A]

Now, hold on. You have a glass of water.

[B]

I do. I know.

[A]

So already you're at an advantage because I have a martini?

[B]

Could be a disadvantage, depending how you look at it. Depending how you look at it. Why the exciting news? I am rounding out my pregnancy. Pregnant with a little girl. Super duper excited. I'm due in September, which is crazy.

[A]

I knew that, by the way. I knew that was a setup. Like in show business, where I. But the thing I didn't know, Riley, is that you're like seven months pregnant. Whatever it is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You look. This is not flattery. You look like you're two weeks pregnant.

[B]

That's very sweet.

[A]

Is this what happens when you're an athlete?

[B]

You know, I really do think there's truth to that. Being fit, prior to pregnancy, prior to conception. And it has made my entire pregnancy feel like a breeze. No fatigue, no tired, no aversions, no anything. Like. I have felt the exact same as I did pre pregnancy. So hopefully it means something for postpartum, too. And we can bounce back quick and get back into my jeans because they certainly don't fit anymore.

[A]

Must be very. It's only slightly tight. Well, if you're all good with no aversions and no tiredness whatever, then you should have a drink. I think the kid would appreciate it.

[B]

I Think she wants one?

[A]

As long as you. I find with pregnancy. I'm not a medical doctor, but I am an honorary doctor, and I find that as long as you balance out the booze in pregnancy with a few cigarettes to get an upper, you're totally good. The kid will thank you for it.

[B]

That's. I mean, if people in the 1500s survived. Like the bubonic plague.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, what's a little. What's a little alcohol gonna do?

[A]

I know I drank a lot during my wife's pregnancy just to balance things out. Okay.

[B]

My husband says it all the time. He's like, so what are we craving today? What's our cravings?

[A]

So now do you know the rules?

[B]

I know the rules.

[A]

Good. I don't. I don't know them.

[B]

And if I. If. Well, if neither of us do, we can make them up.

[A]

Yeah, I like that.

[B]

Even more fun.

[A]

I like that you're a lady. So you go first. You take the prompt.

[B]

So I'm going to ask you this.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And I'm going to guess how. I'm going to guess what you think. If you would put yes or no.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

Okay. I, Riley Gaines, would be willing to rematch Leah Thomas in a charity 200 yard freestyle, but it likely won't happen because Leah no longer has the balls to do it.

[A]

Wow. Say the first part of the prompt again.

[B]

I, Riley Gaines, would be willing to rematch Leah Thomas in a charity 200 yard freestyle, eight laps, but it likely won't happen because Leah no longer has the balls to do it.

[A]

I got it wrong. What do you mean I got it wrong?

[B]

Well, how do you know you got it wrong?

[A]

Because he told me in my ear.

[B]

This is a billion dollars.

[A]

Wait, so I was correct? I was correct. Oh, good.

[B]

What did you put?

[A]

Hold on. Ben, please speak English to me. Am I correct or incorrect?

[B]

Suspense.

[A]

Oh, she got it. Incorrect.

[B]

How did I get it incorrect?

[A]

That's great, because I'm guessing. You're guessing how? I think you would answer. And now here's why. You were wrong about what I think you would do.

[B]

Okay. Okay. So you put no. I put no because I thought you would say yes. We're talking a billion dollars.

[A]

Yeah, but listen, it's not about the money. It's not, you know, I guess everyone has a principle.

[B]

Well, if it's a charity, it's the.

[A]

Principle of the thing.

[B]

Okay. Okay.

[A]

It's wrong to race against this guy.

[B]

But I think I could beat him.

[A]

Because he got the snip.

[B]

He got the snip?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Even Being seven months pregnant now and very much out of shape, I think I'm supposed to drink. You're not supposed to drink, but you're.

[A]

Just doing it in solidarity. Yeah.

[B]

Even being seven months pregnant now, my fitness has, I think, remained. I think, of course, I've lost, like, muscle mass.

[A]

But you're still running.

[B]

Naturally. Still running. Swimming Alcatraz next week. Like, I still very much am into my fitness. I think I could totally take them. And. And if I had a billion dollars to give to the charity of my choosing, I would need to think about what that charity would be. It would be totally like a slap in the face to him. It would go to, like, the most pro.

[A]

But hold on.

[B]

Truth, pro reality, pro science, pro woman, charity out there. So then it's a billion dollars to a good cause. That was my logic. Because I truthfully think I could take him.

[A]

But you're now. Which goes against my argument, by the way. He's out of shape and you're in shape. That's why you could.

[B]

That's what we're saying.

[A]

But it's still wrong in general. Women should not be expected to. But you're saying you could take him. For all sorts of reasons, including the snip, of course. But I guess my argument is there are plenty of things you wouldn't do for no amount of money.

[B]

But it's not personal gain. It's for a greater cause.

[A]

I'm saying. Let's say someone said, I'll give you a billion dollars to the charity of your choice if you kick an orphan in the head. Would you do it? Well. Billion dollars. I'm sorry. Let me change it. $10 billion if you just kick a orphan. Not that hard. No, orphan wouldn't die. Would just have a bruise.

[B]

A bruise for $10 billion for a greater good. That's where we're at.

[A]

I think it's a little utilitarian by Michael.

[B]

I would kick an orphan in the head to. But think of the orphans. Let's say it goes back to a.

[A]

You would kick an orphan in the head.

[B]

This is the clip. Riley Gaines. I would kick an orphan in the head.

[A]

Mediaite headline. Riley Gaines would kick orphan in the head.

[B]

That's it. I can't believe. For money, for $10 billion, I would kick an orphan in the head.

[A]

Great. Wow.

[B]

That's the cl.

[A]

This is why she's such a killer athlete.

[B]

The clip.

[A]

Total killer.

[B]

Yeah. No, just totally honed in psycho.

[A]

Okay. All right.

[B]

Well, I would rematch him. And I think there's other men, too. Like People like Keith Olbermann. This is a guy who constantly is on X coming after me. He has a super weird, unhealthy obsession with me. Even Grok admitted it. We were talking about Grok prior to filming and how Grok is actually, I think super woke and whatever.

[A]

But also as of the time of this filming, Grok endorsed Hitler last night. So I don't know if you caught that one. He's the Grokkenfuhrer now. So very far left. On the one hand, very. A little bit far right. On the other.

[B]

Is being pro Hitler far right anymore, though. I don't even know.

[A]

It might be a horseshoe thing. It's a little. It's a confusing ideology.

[B]

Yeah. I can't keep up with it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Anyways, I would challenge Keith Olbermann too.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And I think I've made this public. I would challenge him to a charity race and I would beat him.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And then I would have money to a charity of my choosing.

[A]

Would you kick him in the head?

[B]

Happily. For free. I would pay him to kick him in the head.

[A]

That's fair. This is not promoting violence now, I am guessing. Okay, how you would answer? Deportations should not stop with Satan worshipping gang members. They should also include the illegal abuela selling empanadas. For sure. For sure. Obviously it has to.

[B]

Definitely.

[A]

There's like 16 million.

[B]

Definitely.

[A]

There aren't that many with face tattoos.

[B]

I think I have, given the fact that I'm married to an immigrant. Of course. A legal immigrant.

[A]

Was he Trend Aragua or Ms. 13.

[B]

Ms. 13. It was really hard getting him here. Trump really pulled through. We're so glad that he was president. He issued him his green card.

[A]

It's good to have friends in high places.

[B]

Totally. But no, really, it is Trump that made it easier for my immigrant husband to be here. We've been married over three years and of course, with the previous administration, got married in 2022, applied for a green card, but Biden would not give my husband a green card because he wasn't willing to get the COVID shot. So when Donald Trump was inaugurated as the 47th president, gave it 24 hours before I pick up the phone and I say, hey, granted, my husband was here legally the entire time. Of course I say, hey, did you know about this? This mandate, this rule that I would deem illegal? He says, no, give me two hours. And within two hours, he had vacated nationwide the mandate requiring legal immigrants to get the COVID vaccine. So all that to say, my husband now has a green card, but Knowing that process, what it's like, of course, the struggles with it, but also how it can be done correctly. Of course. How it should be done correctly. I don't really have a ton of sympathy for those who don't do it the right way.

[A]

No, no, of course.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, I mean, I feel a little bad only in that the Democrats, Biden in particular, said, hey, come here, of course. And then you have these, you know, Ecuadorian peasants who come over here, and they think it's going to be fine, and they would say, no, actually, we have laws, you know, and you can't just. You can't just do that. So I feel a little bit bad, but I'm sorry.

[B]

Yeah, that's adios. That's how I feel, too. And it's an ongoing debate at the national level with the whole amnesty thing and everything going on there, so we shall see.

[A]

A lot of entrenched interests. One, they say they don't want amnesty for everyone, just like their people.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, it's never. You want to deport everyone except your gardener or whatever. Okay.

[B]

That's how it goes.

[A]

You're up. Clear my card.

[B]

Okay. Oh, this is a video or photo prompt. I don't really know what that means. I hope it means there's a video or photo.

[A]

I would infer that that's a Epstein.

[B]

Cell video clip from Megyn Kelly's Monday show. So we watch this.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay. Oh, I saw this. 11. 58. 55. 6. 8. Wow. Hmm. What was that about? Just a full minute and a frame change.

[B]

Are you more than 50% sure? Wait, a frame change? I don't know if I noticed that. That's interesting.

[A]

Play it again. Play it again.

[B]

That's interesting. And it would. It would change.

[A]

Look at that.

[B]

Let's see.

[A]

So you see at 58.

[B]

So is he in this cell? 46. Isn't that kind of funny? 46. It feels like a little hidden Easter egg there.

[A]

Ooh. If you squint really closely, you can see Hillary popping. See that frame change? You see that? How it zoomed out a little bit?

[B]

Let's see. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Are you more than 50% sure you know what happened during this missing 60 seconds? I'm guessing what you would say. Okay, but, like, are you gonna be serious about this, or are you gonna have some funny theory?

[A]

No, I'm not gonna have some funny theory. Well, it might be funny, but I don't. I'll be. I'm gonna be quite serious about this.

[B]

I hate losing.

[A]

Yeah, you're Quite.

[B]

You're quite stressful to me. Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Did I get it right?

[A]

You did.

[B]

So you said no?

[A]

I said no, I'm not. I'm confident. I'm more than 50% confident of what didn't happen.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So I think what didn't happen is he was just kind of hanging out in his cell and no one came to bother him. But I don't know. I don't know what happened.

[B]

What logistically can happen in 60 seconds? It's not a lot of time. Might be enough time.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's certainly suspicious, but 60 seconds isn't.

[A]

Could you kick an orphan in 60.

[B]

Seconds for $10 billion?

[A]

Easily. And you could do it in 10 seconds? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You get a. If he were murdered. I'm not saying he was murdered, but if he were murdered, a trained hitman could easily kill Jeffrey Epstein within 60.

[B]

Seconds, but in the manner that he died. But then how, like he cracked his neck basically. Right, right. But then how is he then hanging from the ceiling or wherever he was?

[A]

It was from the bedpost. So, you know, you come in with the little sheet or whatever, you wrap it around his neck.

[B]

I bet I could do it in 60 seconds.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Maybe for me it would take 70, but I'm not a trained killer. No, I don't know that he was murdered. He might have killed himself.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And also, I don't really necessarily believe that's only one minute.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I think the jump cut allows it to be. Could be two hours.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

So it could be that he was allowed to kill himself. Could be that he was allowed to kill himself because he was a super spy. Could be allowed. He was allowed to kill himself because he was a total creep who had people gunning for him and he was at his wits end. It could have been any of those reasons. The one thing I'm pretty sure about, though, one thing I'm pretty confident is that the official story, which is he was a super rich sex freak who was friends with the richest and most powerful people in the entire world. But those two facts had nothing to do with each other.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

It was all just. And speaking of prisons, Ghislaine Maxwell is in prison right now for trafficking underage girls to nobody.

[B]

Yeah, that's. Yeah, that to me, I was super shocked by kind of the just dismissiveness that we saw from the administration about this issue. Because not only, of course was this something that he campaigned on and promised, it was the manner of which he responded to now, what has been proven, like the abuse and the harm and the mistreatment and the exploitation of minors or whatever it was by him and his cohort? Again, it's like factual information at this point.

[A]

Can I tell you? Look, I was not surprised.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Little. You know, I can't even say I was disappointing because I never thought we were gonna get the Epstein list or whatever.

[B]

Even when the influencers went to the White House and had the binders, what did you think was in the binders?

[A]

At first I was so irritated. I said, why didn't I get the invite?

[B]

Yeah, no.

[A]

And then after the fallout, I said, I'm really glad they didn't call me about the binder day, but. But I actually sympathize with Trump. When that reporter asked him, what about the list, he goes, enough about Epstein. I'm sick about talking about. I want to talk about the border. I want to talk about this. I want to. I totally sympathize, because you know what my theory is? If the official story is not true.

[B]

The official story being.

[A]

Being that Jeffrey Epstein, just, like, coincidentally, was friends with all these really rich. And he was filming them, but it all had nothing to do with anything and move along with.

[B]

Right, right, right.

[A]

If he belonged to Intelligence, as Alex Acosta reportedly said, U.S. attorney on the case when he wrote for Labor Secretary, you were never gonna get any more. And it kind of makes sense, because governments are not radically transparent. They can't be. No institution can be. Certainly not governments. Espionage requires secrecy.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Statecraft broadly requires.

[B]

Well, then I guess the question is, why do you have Alina Aba going on Piers Morgan saying, oh, we have the fil. Looking at them. They're on the desk.

[A]

Or Pambandi.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Or Pambandi. So part of it is people got a little out ahead of their skis, I think, but. And maybe Trump would want to release it, too. The one thing I'm confident of, I don't think Trump is heavily.

[B]

I agree with that.

[A]

I think that would have been released ages ago.

[B]

Agree.

[A]

You know, they set the stage for the guy to be murdered. Okay. And they tried to imprison four times or whatever. So that's not it. I think Trump is expressing a frustration that he wants to do these things. He loves transparency. He's. He loves tweeting all his policies out. He's quite transparent. And I think he's probably doing the responsible thing, because if just what we know turns out to be true and taken to its logical conclusion that royalty, heads of state, billionaires are all involved in this thing, if you start to just willy nilly expose the whole thing, you would be unraveling the global order. Yeah, it's a lot of the world order would collapse. There would be revolutions in countries. So I'm sure, again, this is pure speculation, but I'm sure part of Trump is like, whatever, let's do it. Screw that Prince so and so, or Prime Minister so and so. But part of him, I think he is kind of doing the responsible thing. But that's going to be deeply unsatisfying.

[B]

To a lot of people, me being one of them. I think it's unsatisfying. I think just again, given the way that it was campaigned on. But I agree. I don't think he is in the files in any of that.

[A]

Or maybe he was, I don't know. Like Epstein was a member of the Mar A Lago club until Trump kicked him out. So that's what the Democrats say. Well, they had a connection.

[B]

He had a connection with.

[A]

He had a connection with Harvard University. Yeah, I think it's a. Trust me, if it were a serious connection, that would have been the fifth prosecution of Trump.

[B]

Right.

[A]

That would. Okay, well, look, the one thing I think we can all agree on is the government would never lie or conceal anything.

[B]

Never. They never have.

[A]

Never.

[B]

So why would they start now?

[A]

When are we going to get the JFK files?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Right, I'm up. Here is a video prompt.

[B]

Two in a row.

[A]

You want healing and unity. The greatest threat to healing and unity in American history. Get Donald Trump out of office and we don't give a good how you do it.

[B]

So this is the guy I said I would kick in the head for free. Actually, I would pay to kick him in the head.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

That's actually better than most videos. Most of his clips, especially if it's like one he's just filmed on his phone to post to X. He's standing like he literally is in a straight jacket.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So this is a little better.

[A]

As he should be.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So like many old libs, Keith Olbermann should get a pass for his New York subway vagrant behavior due to the obvious side effects of multiple booster shots. Well, this is a double callback to what we were talking about earlier. Okay. Like many old libs, I have to guess how you would answer. Like many old libs, Olbermann should get a pass for his crazy vagrant behavior due to the obvious side effects of multiple booster shots. Okay, I gotta clear mine.

[B]

Multiple booster shots in conjunction with tds. I think those things Go kind of hand in hand, though. Well.

[A]

You would pay to kick him in the head. So you couldn't give him a pass.

[B]

Yeah, I can't give him a pass.

[A]

Yeah, you can't.

[B]

There's not.

[A]

Do you remember, you are so young and vibrant. Me, I'm an old man. Younger than Keith Olberman, but I'm an old man. I remember as a boy when that lunatic had a show on msnbc. And one of my close, closest friends in high school is a big lib, Huge lib. And he loved him. Saw him at a Yankee game once. He yelled, oh, I love you, Keith. You keep me sane. I love. I mean, this guy was a. And this was long before the booster shots, and he was as crazy as he is today.

[B]

Well, so as you alluded to, didn't know much about Keith Olberman prior to 2022. 2023. Just didn't. I. I don't think I was overly involved or immersed in the political sphere. I more so knew who Keith Olbermann was from my dad, who is one of those.

[A]

Oh, espn.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Radical ESPN watchers. Until ESPN went like, fully, fully insufferable. Like, they've always been like, meh, you know? But now it's beyond the peril. So I know who Keith Olbermann was from my dad. My dad loved him, like, a lot of, like, sports people did. Like, he was the guy. And so to now hear my dad's perspective of, like, how this man has just totally gone off the rails. Clearly. Yeah. He doesn't get a pass from me. So I drink.

[A]

You drink.

[B]

I drink my water.

[A]

You drink. Guzzle that water. Kind of feeling it, Riley. Yeah, I know. I've never been the biggest ESPN viewer in the world. You're shocked to believe I'm not, like, the biggest sports guy.

[B]

What's your sport if you have to pick?

[A]

I have a sport. I do have a sport that I actually pick.

[B]

To play or to watch?

[A]

To watch.

[B]

Okay. Okay.

[A]

Sweet.

[B]

Riley, you're like a pickleball guy.

[A]

I play history. Pickleball. Yeah. I love a good game of gin rummy. Does that count?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

I did play a sport for eight years. I played little league baseball.

[B]

That's intense.

[A]

And now I did not hit the ball a lot, but I had a very good on base percentage because, like Don BAYLOR in the 70s, I would lean into pitches.

[B]

So you're getting hit on the elbow.

[A]

Yeah, elbow, ribs, wherever it was, no big deal.

[B]

Gives you a little, like a stitch mark.

[A]

Yeah. You look cool. I look cool, man. I'D get on base. I wasn't a good base runner, though, so it was pointless.

[B]

You look fast. You look like you'd be like, the quick one, like your, like, pinch runner they put out there.

[A]

Looks are sometimes deceiving. And I. So I. But I've channeled all my sports love, okay, into trans male swimming. No, I'm kidding.

[B]

Makes sense.

[A]

It's all into baseball and it's all into the Yankees.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

That's all I have a normal amount of sports love, but it's all channeled into one, so. I never watched espn. I don't need espn. I'll listen to Paul o' Neill on BS Network.

[B]

Do you want to know who my celebrity crush is?

[A]

Who?

[B]

Dansby Swanson. He plays for the Cubs. You know who he is? Wow.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

No, he's my celebrity crush.

[A]

He is. I don't. Yeah. I don't know.

[B]

I love him.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

He played at Vanderbilt and then he went to the Braves, and now he's with the Cubs.

[A]

What does your husband think about this?

[B]

Well, my husband kind of looks like him, so. Yeah. Hopefully that makes him feel good.

[A]

It's like my wife's celebrity crush is Denzel. Oh, you guys are totally fine.

[B]

Yeah, no, y' all are like twins. If he was sitting here, I'd say.

[A]

Who'S the real Michael? Who do I. Yeah, that's good. Okay, my turn. You're up.

[B]

Okay. Should the federal government pay for maternity leave? Ooh, this feels testy. How does it work now? I guess companies, obviously your employer pays. Yeah, right. You know, this is something I truthfully don't feel like I know a ton about. Which is funny, given I'm seven months pregnant. You better figure out when you go on maternity leave. Is it like a national policy or is it a policy that your workplace. I guess, obviously it's a policy your employer puts into place of how much time you get off.

[A]

But if your employer is a cheapskate, the way they get away with it is they have you file for short term disability.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And so you get some of your salary, but it's not. You wouldn't really call that maternity leave. Like in France, you get 16 years or something.

[B]

I think often it really is crazy. Switzerland. I do think it's like a full year you don't have to work. Even paternity leave, like the dads get.

[A]

Should there be time off?

[B]

Okay, wait. So I'm guessing how you feel.

[A]

She got it wrong. You know why you would have gotten.

[B]

I thought you were going to be.

[A]

Of the mind that these companies gotta take out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No handouts.

[B]

Right. Like, why would the American people pay for that?

[A]

I'll tell you why. Okay, one. Yeah. I think there were a bunch of problems with the federal maternity leave policy. It would violate subsidiarity. It would create all sorts of moral hazards. It would be a big problem. So there are other better ways to do it. Now. I do sort of support about 18 years of maternity leave for women. I think it's probably. It's like, generally a better lifestyle. But the reason that I would support a family policy at the national level like this is because basically the only policy that matters right now is getting people to have more kids.

[B]

That's fully in line with the messaging of Elon.

[A]

Definitely. Elon. Well, definitely there should be some limits.

[B]

15 or 14, whatever.

[A]

That's great. That's great. We should also have, you know, marriage incentives and things like that too.

[B]

But don't you think that creates a lot of room for people to totally.

[A]

Abuse if they get married? Look, I don't want some welfare queen. Well, what if they're not married?

[B]

Well, that's.

[A]

We should get married. We should redefine marriage to be what it is, which is not like three dudes and a billy goat. It's like a man and a woman, really. And it's very confusing. I know, I know. But I would be willing every dollar that we waste on, I don't know, the NIH or give to some foreign country. If we just paid that to women to get married and spit out as many kids as possible, I would be all for it.

[B]

That would require the cutting of those funds, though. And there's no chance. Yes. In a perfect world, we gotta get.

[A]

Elon back in, who's very pro natal, so he might come back for this cause. Cut out all that waste, fraud and abuse. Whatever. But look, there's always more money in the banana stand. Like, we're the global empire. We can find the money. It is so many of the problems that we deal with. Migration. The excuse for mass migration is, well, we need Americans to fill these jobs. We need people to sustain the entitlement programs. We need all these excuses. You just have to get people to have kids. So any way that you do that, promoting religion, publicly limiting contraception, banning abortion, turning porn off, you know, banning porn, redefining marriage, making divorce hard, Whatever the boxes are, people need to spit out kids. And that's why, Riley, I want to thank you for doing your patriotic.

[B]

Doing my service to America. That's so funny.

[A]

Can you tell the People, it's not so bad having a kid.

[B]

No, I've had. I really have, truthfully. Maybe I'm one of those annoying people that like, I mean most women I talk to, they're like, you're so lucky. But truthfully, bottom of my heart, it has been like a breeze thus far.

[A]

That's cause you're a super fit. That's the only reason I don't know.

[B]

About super fit anymore. I think at one point I'm hoping it all bounced back. You know, one of the things that I.

[A]

How far do you run in the morning?

[B]

This morning I ran eight miles.

[A]

I watched eight miles one time. That's the closest I ever came to 8 miles. I watched it once.

[B]

Started at like 4:45 this morning because I try and beat the heat. I'm so used to waking up so early because of swimming. We practice at, you know, you're in the water at 5am so I'm like classically conditioned at this point and I think for the rest of my life, which is actually incredibly frustrating, to wake up like ridiculously early. Hopefully that sets me up well for motherhood as well. That will.

[A]

That will.

[B]

So started running around 4:45, ran about 8 miles, tried to get out in front of it before the sun, before the heat. You can't beat it here in Nashville, unfortunately. So did that. Then I went and lifted me and my. I'm like have the coolest family ever. Like, I'm so blessed to have the family that I do. We all live here, we all are super close to each other, all my siblings. So it's super fun because me, my mom, my dad, my older sister, my younger sister, my grandma, we work out together every single day.

[A]

Your grandma?

[B]

Yes, yes.

[A]

I hate to make it all about me. That makes me feel so bad that your grand. You know, the last time I worked.

[B]

Out, it's such like a dopamine release.

[A]

No, it was, I want to say the Obama administration, there's a chance it was early. Trump won. Yeah, I know. Like the Ford administration. Your grandma, she's a beast. A woman.

[B]

A lady doesn't say 70. 70. Yeah.

[A]

And she's just out there.

[B]

Yeah, she is. We just went to Denver, you know, 7,000 ish feet up and we're hiking together and she's just a rock star. So I'm very fortunate to have the family. I do. So we'll work out. All that to say typically we work out in the mornings, but I think tonight me, my little sister and my dad are going to work out together.

[A]

And your great grandmother.

[B]

And my great grandmother.

[A]

And your great great grandmother.

[B]

Yes, exactly.

[A]

Yeah, that's true. If I were pregnant, if I could become pregnant, if I were a seahorse, I would be on bed rest from the first trimester.

[B]

Well, this is why I'm undercutting my pronatalist.

[A]

Right.

[B]

My husband said to me, actually, the other day, he was like, women are just so inefficient. Like, if I was pregnant, I would pop this baby out in two months. Like, can't you be a little more efficient with it? I'm like, yeah, sorry. Let me just try a little harder.

[A]

Wow. Okay.

[B]

So.

[A]

Do you trust your dentist when he says root canals and fluoride are safe? Or do you think he's part of Big Tooth?

[B]

Big Tooth? I like this.

[A]

You gotta take on the.

[B]

So I'm guessing what you say.

[A]

No, I'm guessing what you would say.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Do you trust your dentist when he says root canals departed? We need to take on big tooth.

[B]

There's like a big everything. Big grocery. Big.

[A]

You know, St. Augustine writes about, I think in City of God that he was walking along the beach and came across a molar tooth the size of some 50 or 100 human molar tooths, and he felt it was the tooth of a giant.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

That's the only big tooth I had considered a big tooth. Yes.

[B]

It's like Bigfoot Big tooth.

[A]

Do you trust your dentist?

[B]

I know my answer.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I said yes.

[A]

Yeah, of course. Wow. That was you trying to psych me out there.

[B]

Did I? Yeah, that was I. So prior to the infamous race with the man.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I was in dental school to be an endodontist.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

Yes, I remember that. Yes. So maybe this will make some of the crunchy people and some of the, you know, like, super Maha people angry. But, I mean, we've been using toothpaste with fluoride, mouthwash with fluoride. When you go to the dentist, they put that stuff in your teeth. They put fluoride on your teeth. Like, we've been doing that for, I mean, years. I'm of the mind that I don't believe in Big tooth.

[A]

No, no.

[B]

These are the clips. Okay.

[A]

Appropriately sized tooth.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't believe in Big Tooth Mediaite. I don't believe in Big Tooth Riley Gaines. Wow.

[B]

And I will kick an orphan.

[A]

Yeah. In the head. Knock out his tooth, maybe.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Wow. I remember that you were in dental school because I have a very good friend here who saw you when you first came to prominence and said, michael, do you know Riley Gaines? I said, yeah.

[B]

I didn't know whose accent this is.

[A]

Yeah, it's very Southern. It could be anyone in Nashville, but, you know, gentleman of a certain age. Do you know Riley Gaines? Yeah, I do. He goes, well, she. I was listening to her speak, and she said she was going to be a dentist, but she should not be a dentist. She's doing something much more important and she's on her own path and she's very, very beautiful. I said, okay, well, hold on, hold on. I don't know if I'm introducing you at any point to Rile again, but I remember. I thought, that's so funny. You were on this path. You were gonna. And then it was a complete 90.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I can get a root canal. I just recently heard about this. The root canals give you the plague, all sorts of. Is that true?

[B]

Who knows? They come up. It feels like new things every single day. But the fluoride thing, like, what has. The amount of times that I've gone to the dentist because I have a gum that is a little exposed on my back molar, whatever it is, no cavity present, but just a little receded gum, and they put fluoride on it. Feels better. And I'm not of the mind to necessarily question that or believe it's giving me bad health. I'm seven months pregnant. I feel great.

[A]

Yeah, you ran eight miles with M and M this morning.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Yeah, that's true.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Well, what about. Hold on. You hedged on the root canal. I just heard about it. I luckily haven't had one yet, but I think I'm close. And I never heard that root canals turn the frogs gay or whatever.

[B]

Well, I think anytime you're getting to the nerve, which has, of course, connections with your bloodstream and all the stuff, you're risking disease, infection.

[A]

Is it okay if I get my wisdom teeth out?

[B]

Do you still have them?

[A]

I know all four of them? All of them.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And they're all kind of crowding my mouth.

[B]

Do you feel like your teeth are shifting?

[A]

They are shifting. And I wear my retainer every night. I'm giving a lot of juice right now. I know they are. They're shifting and it was annoying. Like, one kind of moved a little, and I said, I gotta get them out.

[B]

Do you feel it will not be as fun to recover now if you did it when you were, like, 14?

[A]

Yeah, they told me that I got.

[B]

My bottom two out.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But I didn't get my top two.

[A]

I heard you got it. If you get the one done then. You don't want tooth on skin or whatever. That's fake news.

[B]

Do you have skin in your mouth?

[A]

I don't have to. I don't know. Or whatever. I don't know what gums are made of. I don't like dermis. Plastic. I don't dermis. Wait, so, no, hold on. Can I get away with only getting, like, two of my teeth out?

[B]

I guess I did. Yeah. I should. My bottom ones, I didn't need my top ones.

[A]

I said, I'm going to get my teeth out on a Friday. I'm going to do my show on a Monday.

[B]

You'd be puffy.

[A]

I'll be puffy.

[B]

You'd be puffy. I think you could do it, though.

[A]

Thanks.

[B]

Yeah. Because all those years of Little League. It prepared you.

[A]

It did.

[B]

It prepared you.

[A]

It prepared me to be mocked and made fun of. You're right. You know, you've heard me talk about balance of nature many times before. That's because balance of nature, fruits and veggies is the most convenient way to get whole fruits and vegetables daily. Especially if you're focused on creating a healthier, happier lifestyle. Nature is pretty good, giving us the nutrients that we need through our fruits and veggies. So balance of nature takes fruits and veggies, freeze, dries them, turns them into a powder, and then puts them into a capsule. You take your fruits and veggies capsules every day, and then your body knows what to do with them. Balance of nature is just one ingredient of a balanced lifestyle. No intention to replace a healthy diet, exercise, sleep, or any other healthy habits of which I have many in abundance. It is intended to be used in concert with those other healthy habits. Look at me. Look at me as a paragon not only of health and physical stamina, but if you don't believe that I'm friends with Riley Gaines, who is. So go to balanceofnature.com use promo code knowles kwles for 35% off your first order as a preferred customer. Plus get a free bottle of fiber and Spice. That's balanceofnature.com promo code knowles. I know.

[B]

It's kind of like thinking, take that pregnant.

[A]

Yeah, I think you should.

[B]

Can we get fiber and spice?

[A]

Yeah, if you're. If you can't, you know, you can't smoke, you can't drink. At least you can't do anything fun. At least you get a little fiber.

[B]

That's all I want.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

30% off Noles.

[A]

That's pretty good. Crush them up. No, don't crush it. You're not supposed to crush it.

[B]

No. Yeah.

[A]

You know what it is right now? Riley, you know what this is right now?

[B]

Huh?

[A]

The rapid fire round.

[B]

Is it. So it's just like, quick now, red lights. That feels like. Okay, so I'm gonna read these all at once. Is that what's happening?

[A]

I think you're gonna read them, then we're gonna answer, then you're gonna keep reading. We're not gonna. Basically, it's just a way for Davies to tell me to shut up. He says, shut up, and we're gonna do it really fast.

[B]

Okay, I'm thinking about my answer before I'm reading it. Okay, ready? Well, I need to think about your answer. Okay, ready? Is Will Smith a closet homosexual?

[A]

Correct. No. He's like, he might have done weird.

[B]

He slapped Chris Rock in the face, right?

[A]

Yeah. No, he might have done weird stuff with guys. I don't know. I don't know. Yes or no on that. But he's definitely done weird stuff with girls too.

[B]

Did you see he has a new song out? It's called Pretty Girls.

[A]

I saw that.

[B]

You should watch the video.

[A]

I know. I did watch it.

[B]

Did you insert a clip of the video right here?

[A]

It's kind of like the will doth protest too much, methinks.

[B]

Yeah, definitely straight. Is there a concerted effort in the expert community to discredit historical evidence of a world flood to delegitimize the biblical account? I need to read that again. Do you want me to read that?

[A]

Please.

[B]

Is there a concerted effort in the expert. It's in quotes community to discredit historical evidence of a world flood to delegitimize the biblical account.

[A]

Wrong. But this is a little bit of.

[B]

A cute answer wrong, as in, I got your answer wrong.

[A]

You got my answer wrong. It's not a concerted effort, okay, in the sense that there's no grand conspiracy to keep it down. It's just the miasma of liberalism and materialism is just impelling all of these people to deny what obviously occurred. But I don't think it's. I don't think they talk to each other about it. I just think it kind of happens.

[B]

So you were hung up on that word concerted?

[A]

Concerted.

[B]

I didn't even really look at that word. I was just like, yes, I do think there are people doing this. Okay, Interesting. Okay. Is sunscreen to blame for the spike in skin cancer that began in the 1970s when it became popular in the United States?

[A]

Eh, got it wrong. Yes. It is. You know why I think that I wouldn't have said that a year ago?

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Because sweet little Alisa, my beloved bride, okay, is she got into all this stuff, and now she makes us get the chalk sunscreen, and she makes me wear the beef tallow deodorant, which is $22 a can or jar or whatever it is. And I thought it was all ridiculous. I don't know, man. That aluminum.

[B]

But what changed your mind? Like, do you know someone who got skin cancer because of sunscreen?

[A]

No. My wife has just propagandized me so much now, and I'll tell you what, she.

[B]

But does she know someone?

[A]

No. No. There's no, like, direct evidence of any of this. It's all kind of like crunchy gobbledygoo.

[B]

Big sunscreen.

[A]

This is big sunscreen.

[B]

Big skin.

[A]

Big skin, big dermis. Yeah. The thing that convinced me was the first crunchy shot across the bow was the seed oils. And she said, if you stop eating seed oils, you won't get as much of a sunburn. Now, I'm a rather dark guy for a white guy, but I would burn. I'd burn a lot. Especially as a teenager. In my 20s, I burned a lot, even though I'd get dark. And then Elisa cuts out the seed oils. I don't really get sunburns anymore. I thought, okay, well, interesting. If the seed oils have fallen. If the crunchy weirdos are right about the seed oils, they could be right about other stuff, about the aluminum in the deodorant and the sunscreen.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

Is there aluminum in sunscreen? I don't know.

[B]

Think so.

[A]

Yeah, sure.

[B]

I have a hard time even looking into all that stuff, truthfully, because I think it's more so I don't want it. Ignorance is bliss for me.

[A]

It's the red pill and the blue pill.

[B]

Yeah. It's like.

[A]

Because if you take the red pill on this stuff, your household costs are going to increase. About.

[B]

It seems really, really hard to implement.

[A]

It's so expensive that I need to do a podcast so that I can be sponsored by Vandy Crisps so that I can get delicious potato chips without seed oils.

[B]

I hope they're watching this.

[A]

I know. I hope that's a freebie. That's a freebie. But I'll evangelize that product all day. You have to. Yeah, but this is why. And this is how the whole society has collapsed. And you say, well, it's a little cheaper. Oh, we'll drive. Okay. We'll import the gas.

[B]

I do fall Victim to that. Yeah, of course I do.

[A]

I'll tick GDP up. We won't have kids. Cause we can spend money on this and that and that's cheaper and this and then.

[B]

But my thing is, like, if that's the mindset you have, everything could cause cancer. Everything. Like, if you're going to go there, you would live a pretty. What I would believe to be a pretty miserable life. If you restrict yourself from everything, which that's effectively what you would be doing.

[A]

I don't wear the. Well, if I'm with my wife, I don't wear the modern sunscreen. I wear whatever goop she gives me. I don't use the modern deodorants. I use the whatever goop she gives me.

[B]

That's why you smell bad.

[A]

That's why I smell.

[B]

I'm kidding.

[A]

Do you know why I smell bad? Because of the flip side. And I actually think. I think it's a great smell. But some disagree. I own a cigar company. I own. So I won't put the. Whatever the sunscreen on because of the risks of cancer. I own a cigar company. I smoke a billion cigars a day.

[B]

Like, everyone has their vice. If my vice is going to be.

[A]

I don't think cigars are a vice, by the way. But that's a conversation for another time.

[B]

If my vice is energy drinks. Yeah, I love them. Yeah, I drink at least one a day.

[A]

What's your poison?

[B]

What do you even. Alani. Have you ever heard of that?

[A]

I've never even heard of that.

[B]

It's like a total marketing. No, not really. It's like. I mean, you can get it at a gas station. It's just a total marketing thing. I think that especially appeals to women. Cause the cans are so cute and they get me. Like, I understand. Like, I'm an influencer's dream. I'm basically begging you to influence me. Like, I will buy that product.

[A]

Smoke cigars. Does your kid want secondhand cigar parade?

[B]

That's what she's been saying to me. Yeah.

[A]

A mother knows. Yes, a mother knows.

[B]

So everyone has a vice. Yeah, I'm not gonna let mine be sunscreen. Aluminum. Aluminium.

[A]

Get me a box of Mayflowers so I can get your wife. This is the rapid fire round. That's why the red light is on. As long as Libby Dunn doesn't join OnlyFans. She's a good example of how female athletes should conduct themselves.

[B]

Well, as long as, like, given what she's already done. Or is it just like that's the only standard read It. One more time.

[A]

As long as Libby Dunne does not join OnlyFans, she is a good example of how female athletes should conduct themselves.

[B]

I feel pretty torn on this.

[A]

You may have answered.

[B]

Mm.

[A]

Say yes.

[B]

I said yes.

[A]

Yeah, because you weren't gonna throw shade. I've only heard of Livy Dunn in the context of the TikTok Rizz party and Skibidi toilet, and I didn't know who she was until today, and she popped up on my Twitter, and I didn't know she was even a real person, but. And she's not on OnlyFans?

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Well, it's incredibly fit. Very fit. She's beautiful. She's done a fantastic job of marketing herself and her abilities and profiting off that, which I can respect. I think there are some things that she does that I'm, like, maybe questionable.

[A]

What is it? I don't care that this is rapid fire. I want the tea. I don't care. It's rapid fire.

[B]

Well, I think a lot of her content is very, like, revealing. But I think, again, I approach that a little different than most conservatives do, given that I played a sport where, I mean, you're essentially half naked all the time.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Like, to me, a man in a Speedo, like, it's. I'm not talking about San Francisco Pride, though. That's a little different, especially when kids are around. But, like, it's. I think I'm a little more desensitized or. Yeah, like, to me, that's, like, whatever kind of standard. But I do think she's a bit. Can be a bit revealing. She's, like, dating this guy now. My speculation is they don't actually like each other at all. Paul Skeens.

[A]

Paul Skeens. Who would know?

[B]

Paul.

[A]

Who is Paul Skeen?

[B]

You're the baseball guy. He's the.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

So he played baseball at lsu.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Now he's in the big leagues and all this rookie of the year, all this stuff.

[A]

Oh, interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

I don't think they actually like each other.

[A]

How old is she?

[B]

My age, maybe she is.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Maybe younger than me. A year and younger.

[A]

Okay. Wow.

[B]

But I think, as a whole, she's done a pretty good job of maintaining her image and being somewhat of a role model to young girls. Yeah.

[A]

That's cool. I'm glad to hear it. Mostly because I wear a Speedo around the Daily Wire.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I'm glad that that's.

[B]

No. Like, it would be. If I saw that, I would just be like, oh, there's Denzel? Mikel. There he is. What's he doing here?

[A]

I loved you in Training Day. Okay, the second rapid fire question. We're moving too fast. Is homosexuality more nature than nurture? More nature than nurture, would you say?

[B]

Wait, more.

[A]

More nature than nurture? They're born this way more than you know. They had an absent father and an overbearing mother. You're gonna say yes.

[B]

I say no.

[A]

I got it wrong. Ah, man. I thought you were gonna be a little more moderate and live on.

[B]

No.

[A]

Yeah. You say it's nursing.

[B]

No, I'm very much of the mindset of. It is interesting, this conversation. And like, I've allowed my brain to go there several times of thinking, you know, what does this really look like? Because you can't deny there are some, like little kids who super duper, duper feminine little Liberace, like little, like young. Like you can just tell they're going to be gay when they're older.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. That was like when Ben dates. Was a kid.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Is that the guy who messed up these questions?

[A]

He is. That's him, actually. Yeah.

[B]

So, like, it would be an interesting conversation to like, to really look into and understand. But I'm more of the mindset, I think especially today, seeing the social contagion of it, that aspect of it. I'm way more of the mindset that it is more of nurture than nature.

[A]

Yeah. There's a huge social contagion without question. And then guys in prison, you know, do weird stuff. And so obviously that's true. The only thing that has kind of. I'm not saying there's a gay gene necessarily or anything, but that has kind of nature pilled me on those who are little light in the loafers is. Have you. There's some study that says if you got your hand right here like this. Right. So you see my finger is. And your string.

[B]

Oh my gosh.

[A]

Is the ring to index finger ratio.

[B]

So you see how we passed the straight test.

[A]

We're a straight. Because your ring is bigger, is notably bigger than your index. It goes up higher for homosexuals.

[B]

What would you do if you said this and mine were the same size?

[A]

Well, I don't know if it applies to chicks. That'd be crazy if we found it. Like, you are a gay man. Will Thomas was right. Right here. Yeah. So for a gay guy, if it's like. If it's more. Put it like this. If they're even. Apparently that's more likely for gay guys. The other Thing is, for most guys, their part is like my part, which is on the left side of your head. It goes down for gay guys. They're much more likely to be on the right side of the head. Now, again, this doesn't mean that if you have these natural dispositions or something.

[B]

But is a hair part really natural? You can change your hair part.

[A]

There's a natural aspect to your part.

[B]

Yeah, but like, I think back to me in sixth grade when the side part was everything.

[A]

Did you have. Did you do that thing?

[B]

Duh, I had the side part.

[A]

Did you do the thing those girls did that was so annoying? Where they. Like. There was this one year, I think it was 2013, where every girl decided to just shave off half their head.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

You remember that thing.

[B]

Me in sixth grade was definitely not doing that. But there were some people even at my. I mean, I would say it's a pretty conservative public school here in Tennessee who definitely did.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

It was a thing. It was like. That was like the Tumblr era, you know, like the. Yeah, definitely. Like the aesthetic of it.

[A]

You know, I was a VSCO guy. I'm a vsco.

[B]

Vsco.

[A]

I heard about that.

[B]

You say were and then am. So are you currently.

[A]

I found out about that word. I had a babysitter. Not like, it was for my kids. And this. She said something about vsco, I guess, or whatever. I didn't know what that was. I still don't really know what that is, but I'm. That I didn't want to be that. It seems hip and cool.

[B]

Yeah, it is.

[A]

I found out my natural part is over here because I'm a big fanuc. No, I'm kidding. It is on the left, but it's a little bit more. It's a little more center because. So if I were left to my own natural devices, I'd look more like a guy from the 90s.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

You know that guy?

[B]

Yeah. Like the. Yeah.

[A]

But if you got your part over.

[B]

Here, see, so you can change your part that you're.

[A]

Yeah, but not. I can change it from, like, you know, Gary Cooper to Dean Martin. I can't change it from Gary Cooper to Rock Hudson, you know? So my question is for the people who wear their fingers or whatever. You know, it's like they're. They got the even fingers and the part on the right.

[B]

There's got to be a nature more so of like. Like where you descended from, like, Romans have more of a certain type of. I think it's more specifically like feet and toes Like Egyptian. You're much more like, what are the.

[A]

What do the Roman toes look like?

[B]

I think the second one is longer, which is standard for I think most people. But like, Egyptian is very much slanted all the way. Something is like. Yeah, so I thought it was more so of like your descent.

[A]

I want to get into phrenology, like head sizes as they pertain to intelligence, but that. I don't know if we're allowed to do that on YouTube. We'll get. Maybe later. Okay, so we're in the rapid fire round. You know that round. We're in the rapid fire round.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

The only thing conservatives should ever infight about is which month is the best in the conservative dad's Real Women of America calendar.

[B]

I'm so excited to talk about this, even though it's rapid.

[A]

Were you in that one?

[B]

Yes. And it was the biggest mistake I've ever made in my life.

[A]

Wait. Oh, wait. All right, then I want. Elda actually gives me good information about this. Okay. So the only thing is there should ever. You're gonna say no?

[B]

Yes, I'm gonna say no.

[A]

You're saying no. Okay, okay, I remember that, but I didn't. I actually did not buy that.

[B]

I have no problem. Like, I'm a very self aware person in general. The way this was approached to me, actually, this is kind of like a full circle moment. Going back to that first question about the charity. The way this was approached to me were the proceeds of this. It was going to be a very family friendly thing. And the.

[A]

Wow, this is a full circle, like, full circle.

[B]

And the proceeds of this would go to a charity, like, of my choosing.

[A]

First of all, for those who haven't seen it, it's not. It wasn't like Playboy, it wasn't Penthouse.

[B]

But it still is not a good representation of myself. And this even is like looping back in with the whole Levy Dunn thing. This still is not a good representation of just. Just me in general, how I conduct myself, whether it is on a public platform, whether it's in my personal life. Like, it just wasn't. But again, think back. This was probably in. I don't know what year.

[A]

I mean, it was a while ago.

[B]

A while ago.

[A]

Because this guy did a beer too. It was like a kind of just.

[B]

Like I'm a cool guy, conservative even, not being pregnant. Like, I just am not a drinker. Like, I don't like. It's. I'm just. I just, I'm not. Whatever. I kind of got sucked into this.

[A]

So you're Saying you regret.

[B]

Because look, and everyone was like, the people who were in this were like totally like defending it. People like Ashley Sinclair, which we've seen now how that has all turned out.

[A]

That's also full circle on the Elon Musk.

[B]

No, like, this is all like, it's all making sense so the people don't even have to watch the full thing. Just listen to this.

[A]

This was actually very well written, Mr. Davies. This is.

[B]

You're rehired, by the way.

[A]

Wow. Yeah. Okay, so they were all defending it.

[B]

They were all like defending it. And I was the only one to, for the most part, I just stayed pretty, like silent about it. And they were trying to loop me in on their side and defend it. I'm like, I can't even defend myself here. I deserve the slander.

[A]

Look, I take it that's a great attitude to have. Cause look, in the grand scheme of things, you're a very nice looking young lady. You were not a mother, a swimmer in a swimsuit.

[B]

Like, to me, that wasn't that bad.

[A]

You weren't on OnlyFans. No, but people can't. People really struggle to admit that they have done anything that they regret. Not even anything wrong necessarily. Even just anything they.

[B]

No, I regret this.

[A]

And people struggle with that. And people will form whole ideologies to justify a thing that they deep down do actually kind of regret, you know, and it takes a lot of maturity and very self aware person. Yeah, yeah, that's.

[B]

And I knew it at the time too. That was the point.

[A]

It didn't come. Was it that salacious? No, no, it wasn't.

[B]

I mean, no, it wasn't.

[A]

You just think the whole. Yeah, I agree that whenever people try to make conservatism cool, it's like, you know, I'm not a regular mom. I'm a cool mom. You know, I'm a cool conservative. I just think, no, no, there's nothing. Conservatism is not cool.

[B]

In fact, that's why we've like lost every inch of the public square.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

I mean, think like media, entertainment, Hollywood, academia. I mean like virtually every. Every inch of the public square.

[A]

Cause we're like, oh man, I'm gonna be cool. I'm cool. Yeah, yeah, but we're not cool. The only way to gain cultural currency is to just kind of know what you are and do that thing very well. Totally do that in a rational, excellent, virtuous way. But to just be like, hey, hey, I'm not one of those stodgy conservatives. I'm The. I'm a hip conservative, just like shut.

[B]

Yeah. No.

[A]

No, I'm not.

[B]

And for you, your thing you do really well is Little League.

[A]

Little League. That's the thing.

[B]

You should start a Little League league for adults.

[A]

Mm. I would still. You know the sad thing? I would still strike at all. The time would be. They invited me. I was invited to do a. Like a celebrity.

[B]

The Folds of Honor.

[A]

That was the one. Yeah.

[B]

What were you doing? I was there.

[A]

I know. I thought, hold on. Am I. What am I? What's the crazier part? That I'm a celebrity or that I'm a baseball player? I don't know what would be less, but they invited me. I said, well, you love baseball. You should go. And I thought, I'm gonna have horrifying flashbacks to that when I'm there.

[B]

It's like, what's the movie? Sandlot.

[A]

It would be Sandlot.

[B]

What is the. No Benchwarmers.

[A]

It would be the natural. Because I'd get shot probably. It would be. What's my. It would be Major League.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I would become Charlie Sheen. Do a bunch of drugs beforehand. Yeah. Okay, so now. No, you're up. It's the final round.

[B]

I feel intimidated.

[A]

The prompt will be read, we'll both lock in our answers and we'll move our glasses to yes or no to see if we can read each other's minds. The round is worth double points. It could change everything. The score right now. Oh, no. Oh, no, no. Riley could still win. But the score is a lot to a little. It's a lot to a little. It's Michael four, Riley negative two.

[B]

Well, if I get both these right, then you win. Okay, but you would have to get both wrong.

[A]

That's true. Could happen. I'm clearing mine.

[B]

Okay, so I will move my glass.

[A]

You're going to pick your answer on your pad, and then you're going to move my glass to how you think I would answer. You're going to pick your answer for what you think on your pad, and then you're going to move my glass to how you think I would answer.

[B]

And you're going to lock it in.

[A]

Same thing.

[B]

Okay. The main reason evangelicals have grown their numbers and non denominational churches keep growing by attracting those leaving mainline denominations is because all the worst Democrats claim to be Catholic. Okay, so I put mine on where.

[A]

I think you put your. No, no, hold on. But that was great.

[B]

Did I ruin this?

[A]

No, you made it. It was great. You need to lock in your answer, and then I'm gonna guess with your cup how you answer, and then you have to move my cup on how you think I.

[B]

Well, that just gave it away. Well, I mean, did you already lock in?

[A]

I did.

[B]

So you locked in what you said? Yeah, I was tricking you because I know the rules the whole time.

[A]

Oh, no. All right, hold on. We're going to see how devious Riley is. Well, okay, hold on. You haven't locked in.

[B]

I don't even know if I fully read the question.

[A]

You got to lock. Don't you change your answer now.

[B]

Don't you.

[A]

That would be so devious. It'd be like kicking an orphan in the head.

[B]

I would never do that.

[A]

No.

[B]

Except for $10 million.

[A]

Yeah. Million now.

[B]

No billion.

[A]

No, million.

[B]

Okay, well. And million. I would do it for $10 million.

[A]

And $10.

[B]

You know what? I'm changing the rules of this game because we said we got to do that. The winner is who has the least amount of points, actually. So I win. I love winning.

[A]

Okay, so hold on. You just answered. Oh, now you got to move mine to how you think I would answer that same prompt.

[B]

I think you're saying no.

[A]

Correct. Correct. Okay, yes. I say no. The surge in evangelicalism. I actually don't know if there is a surge right now, but the surge is driven by two things.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

One is the. The main line going because there are a bunch of Dem Catholics. There's like, Biden and all those guys.

[B]

Well, I mean, I think there's bad conservative Catholics.

[A]

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, yeah, that's true. That's also true. That's a separate issue. But I think that what's driven it is the mainline Protestants went completely lib. You know, like trans, lesbian bishopresses stuff. Totally. And divorced Catholics. Divorced Catholics become evangelical.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

Yeah. Because you can.

[B]

And there's a lot of that in the Catholic Church.

[A]

There are divorce because you're not allowed to divorce. So if you get divorced and civilly remarried, you can't have the sacraments. And so I know. I've seen Catholics get divorced and remarried and they become evangelical because they still want a religious thing, you know? But I think the main driver for evangelicalism is people who want to be Protestant but are just like, I can't be Episcopalian. No one's been an episcopalian since, like, 1948. It's ridiculous. So I think that's it. Who knows? Maybe King Charles. Maybe you'll get King Charles.

[B]

That's what it is. The Queen. Long live Queenie.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. Okay. So we both got him. Right.

[B]

So that's just net zero then.

[A]

That's a net zero.

[B]

Net zero. So no matter what happens here, I.

[A]

Win because you'll have the least points. You make a great point.

[B]

I love this.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Wow, this is so fun. It doesn't even matter. We can throw this.

[A]

You're right. You're right. Why am I even playing anymore? It is disorderly and sets up near occasions of sim to have a bunch of hormone filled dudes train for hours in a pool alongside females in swimsuits. Hold on. Do you. This is a point of information, okay. Because I wasn't on the swim team. Do the boys and the girls swim together?

[B]

So it depends. At this meeting, this national championship, it was only a women's meet, so it was only. There were only women at that meet except for one. So.

[A]

So you're. This is a.

[B]

But you mean like in practice and stuff? In practice we swam together in the mornings, but very much separate teams. Like even in terms of national ranking, like our women's team was always top 10, top 15.

[A]

Yeah, no, I'm not. I'm not saying. I'm just talking about in the pool. You guys are.

[B]

We would. Yes, but sometimes we would have different practices, but. Yes, yes, yes, you would.

[A]

You would. Wow. Okay, so. Okay, so the premise is fair. It is disorderly and sets up near occasions of sin to have a bunch of hormone filled dudes trained for.

[B]

Hormone filled.

[A]

As in just brimming, like variety. No, natural hormones, not artificial hormones, not like Will Thomas stuff.

[B]

So like tests testosterone like men tea.

[A]

High T. Okay, okay, read it again one more time. It is disorderly.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And sets up near occasions of sin to have a bunch of high T gigachads in speedos.

[B]

Love this.

[A]

Train for hours in a pool alongside slinky little ladies wearing bikinis.

[B]

When you put it like that.

[A]

I gotta answer how you would answer. Okay, well, I locked in my answer. Thank you. He says you gotta lock in your answer. As if I didn't do it. He could have seen it on camera.

[B]

So I need to move yours.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

To where.

[A]

Would you answer?

[B]

I'm doing that based on the words I did.

[A]

I had a little bit of a.

[B]

Tell, so it felt like you were putting some affliction.

[A]

It's disordered and sets up your occasions of sin. And you got experience, You've seen, You've been there. You were there for me. I've just been to the beach. Yeah, yeah, obviously, right? It's crazy. This is the one. You know, in the 40s they were like arresting women for wearing bikinis.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And a somewhat unpopular view I have. They were probably right. I can't.

[B]

Women can't wear bikinis. No, they should, but men can.

[A]

No, men should wear. No, you're right. Men should wear. Like. I'm not. I'm only 3% joking. Men should wear those 1920s, like, swimsuits where it's like a shirt with pants and a top hat, you know, like they should. Because it is crazy. It is crazy that I go to the beach and I actually, in my old age now, I try to avoid, you know, sins of the eyes and things, for sure. And so. And then I go to the beach and I'm looking at. I mean. No, I know, it's crazy.

[B]

No, I know it is. But most of the time, like, at least, I mean, I guess I approach this a little different as a woman, but most of the time it's not like attractive women wearing revealing things. It's women who should. Absolutely.

[A]

That's often the case.

[B]

Not be wearing.

[A]

That's often true.

[B]

So it's more of like a repulsion. Yes, I would say that's true.

[A]

Most people.

[B]

I'm not a man.

[A]

Most people, I think is fair to say, don't really look good on naturel. But this is actually. This is the premise of lingerie. And also, of course, swimsuits and stuff is actually, if you conceal a little bit, strategic concealment actually makes one more attractive than if you were completely in your birthday suit. So, like, I don't know. I don't want to. In France, there's a big issue about women wearing veils and stuff. Or the burkini. The burkini at the beach, it's like a burqa bikini.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And I have plenty of criticisms of the Muslims and Islamic.

[B]

But you also have. On the other hand, in France, when they have these liberation rallies, totally topless.

[A]

Women who are often not the most scintillating. No, some of them are, but many of them are.

[B]

You see these videos and it's like, maybe put a shirt on.

[A]

Yeah. A bit of flab.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I answered yes.

[A]

You answered yes. Oh, yes.

[B]

We called it swim cest. Like it's a thing, of course. Like it's a known thing, of course, where swimmers. You just. I don't know if it's more so like, again, maybe being around them in that environment. Maybe it's the way your schedules line up. I don't know what it is, but it's called swim cess. Where swimmers just date other swimmers.

[A]

Of course. Yeah.

[B]

I Mean me. My husband swam at University of Kentucky. I'm a victim to swim cest.

[A]

You are.

[B]

And I swore I wasn't.

[A]

Which is legal in Tennessee.

[B]

It's legal. Not in other states, but in Tennessee. Yeah. No, that's why he came here.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

He wanted to be in swim test.

[A]

You know, it's funny, even in college I was buddies. In high school, I was buddies with athletes, bunch of athletes. But not swimmers because it might be the schedule thing.

[B]

I wasn't really that tight with six hours a day. So it was like you don't really have time to meet other people. Like if you're swimming 5am to 8am, you go to class, you come back to the pool 1:30 to 4:30, you eat dinner with the swimmers. Like it's kind of all, you know. So I think it's more so the schedule thing, but.

[A]

And you're just in. Yeah, you're in. You're all good looking. I would assume you're in good shape at least. You're wearing slinky little garments. You're all, you know, brimming with testosterone, the blood's flowing. Right. How do you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This is why co education was a huge, huge mistake. Which would be a topic for another time. So I think that means I won. I got many more points. So therefore you won.

[B]

Yay.

[A]

That's a great drawing.

[B]

I love this game.

[A]

Very impressive.

[B]

This is my favorite game I've ever played.

[A]

You need to go check out Riley's content on Instagram. Rileyg Barker. Not Gaines. That was your old name.

[B]

That was the old name that's called.

[A]

The maiden name because Riley is a conservative, normal, sane woman. Riley G. Barker. And you gotta go watch her show on Outkick Gains for girls. I love a good pun. Check out this teaser.

[B]

In just two tweets, Simone Biles basically tarnished her reputation to anyone with a shred of honest, to anyone with a moral compass, and to anyone with an inherent innate desire to protect women. To fight for equal opportunity for both men and women, especially as it pertains to sport. So congratulations, Simone Biles.

[A]

That looks great. I like that name.

[B]

She. It was awesome. Because the time of this filming, there were two girls in Oregon who filed a lawsuit against the state of Oregon for their laws that allow boys to play in their sports. And their reason for doing it, they. They said this in a. A video that was posted today was because of Simone Biles disparaging comments to female athletes. They were like. That was kind of the final straw for us.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

So her and she walked it back.

[A]

Simone Biles had to walk it back.

[B]

Yeah, but what good does that do when you've already. At that point, it's like a total Gavin Newsom move where you just pissed off everyone.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. But no. To me, though, I thought that was such a white pill, because I thought. Look, Simone Biles almost certainly did not change her opinion. It was written by some PR team by GPT.

[B]

Yeah, I saw that little dash in there. I know what that dash means.

[A]

Yeah. It wasn't written by Grok. Because it wasn't in German.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Yes, but it doesn't matter. Like when you have kids and the kid smacks the other kid and you say hey. You say you're sorry and the kid isn't sorry, but if you are an imposing enough paterfamilias, he'll say it anyway, even though he doesn't believe it. And that's half good. That gets you halfway there.

[B]

It's good enough.

[A]

It's good enough. And it's kind of. That's how I felt with Simone Biles. She made the apology not. Almost certainly not because she believed it, but because the culture now says the trans stuff is done. It's done. As far as I'm concerned, we won.

[B]

Largely to thank you.

[A]

And I. I take all credit for it. Walsh did nothing. I take. I think it was all me.

[B]

It was?

[A]

Yeah. You had nothing to do with it.

[B]

No.

[A]

Your activism had nothing.

[B]

It was because girls didn't want to play you in Little League.

[A]

They would have destroyed. They would have destroyed me in Little League. It would have been awful.

[B]

So suddenly, trans movement. Done.

[A]

Riley, congratulations on your improbable and impressive victory.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

See you. Next time on yes or no.