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Adam Wade
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Dan Kennedy
Welcome to the Moth Podcast. I'm Dan Kennedy. The Moth features true stories told live without notes. All stories on the Moth Podcast are taken from our ongoing storytelling series in New York and Los Angeles and from our tour shows across the country. Visit themoth.org Today's podcast is brought to you by Audible.com, the leading provider in spoken word entertainment. Log on to audiblepodcast.com to get a free audiobook download of our podcast host Dan Kennedy's book, the national bestseller Rock On An Office Power Ballad, which was just named a best audiobook of 2008 by Audible, as well as itunes and E Music. Log on to get Rock on for free when you sign up today. That's audiblepodcast.com moth this week we have two stories for you. One by Adam Wade, recorded live at our Grand Slam Storytelling Competition, and one by Jonathan Ames from our main stage. First up, Adam Wade.
Adam Wade
How you doing? My name is Adam Wade. I'm originally from New Hampshire I came here eight years ago. I went to a small college in New Hampshire, Keene State College. And when I was a junior, I told my parents, I'm going to New York. I'm going out on a limb. I don't know anybody there. I play the guitar and hopefully I'll get in the NBC page program. I'm going. And they looked at me like they were very supportive. They looked at me like I was nuts. And then my aunt was there and she said, she's a nice lady, but she said, you don't even sleep over kids houses because you're afraid and, and you're gonna move to New York. And I said, don't worry about it, I'm going. So I hey, my day of graduation, cause my dad said I didn't have the balls to miss it. I was on a Greyhound bus with a backpack, a guitar, and a little bag that I had like my sheets in. And I went, and I went to New York, New York City. And for a year and a half, every other week, I sent a resume to the NBC page program. Never heard back. And then I got a call and I had two interviews. I said I was determined, considerate and hard working. And I became an NBC page. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now what the NBC page program is, is it's a year program. You do tours for three months and then you have assignments, which I later found out is like a glorified intern. And you have to compete with the other pages. And it's tough because you're drinking with them on weekends and you know, you're doing the tours. But it's doggy dog. And I got the Conan O'Brien assignment, which is the big assignment. You're on the sixth floor. And it was great because I got to see all these celebrities and stuff, but more importantly, I got to know the crew and I got to know the sound guys, the camera guys. And that's what I was really into. And they kind of adopted me. And when I say adopt, I had like a little desk where I would work it and they on the floor with the studios and every day they would put it in an elevator and I would have to go find it for an hour when I, Max Weinberg, wants his ice for his hands and he's all bullshit. Well, I'm looking for my goddamn desk. Sorry, Max. You know, they stapled my jacket to the chair. And it was my only sport coat. It was my sport coat, which wasn't cool. And when I was finished, when I was finished the assignment, I made a Photo. And I made copies of me holding an Emmy. I took it from another guy in the building one night, and I signed my thank you notes, and I had a big stack at my desk. And when they stole my desk, the camera guys and the sound guys, they wrote, dear Conan, I've been pissing in your coffee for the past eight weeks. Go fuck yourself. And I put it under his door. Conan didn't like that, but he did weave it on his, like, little desk. It was nice. Okay. Made me feel. But why? They liked me. And it was something I always carried around. A disposable camera. And the crew never really did this for people. But since they liked me and I was a good sport, they took photos with three celebrities that I really always wanted to get my photo with, of course, Conan. And it was great. It looked like he was eating peanuts off my head in the photo. Then it was because he's tall. And then, of course, it was Regis Philman. Now Regis Philman's a former page. And we sat and he said, I look a lot like him. And at the time, like a young Regis Fillman. And it was a big thank you, Regis. And then, of course, Al Roker, back when he was fat, before the stomachs hit, it was me and Al Roker. He was the host of our Paige talent show. It was a big thing. So I had this photo. Now you think, Adam Wade, are you gonna go develop the photos in New York? No way. I waited till Christmas, and I went home to New Hampshire with this. And it was like my prized possession. And I went to the local winner's photomat in the small town I'm from. It's like the glass. They look at everybody's photos. We know. I walked in there and I dropped it off, and it was an hour photo. I went back four days later. Cause I wanted all those bricks, you know, Adam Wade's not gonna make it. And Linda Winters works there now. Linda Winters sat behind me in homeroom. She was in high school. In junior high. She's very attractive in high school. She wouldn't give me the time of day. And I would always turn around and pass her back. Hi, Linda.
Jonathan Ames
And.
Adam Wade
And I called her Linda Lou. And I was like my pet name. She didn't like that. Okay. So I walked in there. I go, hi, Linda Lou. And she's, oh, it's Adam Wade. And people from the back, they all came and they were looking. And I go, hi, I'm here to pick up my photos. How you doing? She goes, oh, you moved to New York. You're doing really well. I heard. I go, oh, you heard right. You know, I don't usually do that. What the hell, you know, I mean, work with me here. I've had a lot of years where it hasn't gotten so well. So I. So, you know, she goes, you meet celebrities. I go, I meet celebrities. But Linda, it's the little people that make the world go around. And all the people there, all the people that went like that, and they gave me the. You know, there's like. So I got the photos, and the envelope was all riffled. So I knew everybody. Oh. So I was like a little kid, you know, I knew everybody looked at the photo. So I run to the car, and I stand, and I'm in the parking lot, and I'm looking through the photos. It's me and Regis, and there's me and Conan, and me and Al Row. And then there's a picture of a. Of a man with a hard hat, naked, and then another man with a hard hat, naked, holding a cucumber, and he was doing stuff to him. And then I'm like, what is this? Then I flip over the next photo, and then there's a guy with a. He was like an electrician. And then there's a guy with liquid drain who's a plumber, and he's got the thing you jump a car with on his penis. What is this? I ripped up the photos. I put them in the glove compartment. I took them back out. I go, what is this? What am I going to do? I go home. My mother goes, we're going out to eat tonight. Oh, no, we're not. I don't feel good. I'm not going out. She's like, we're going to get your jacket at the mall tomorrow. I go, no, we're not. I'm going home. I got to go work. I got to go to work. And they're like, what's wrong with you? So two years later, I'm working on a Saturday. NBC sports is a pretty girl there. All the guys from Conan, they work sports because the camera guys, they need the money. And they do all different jobs at NBC and they're bragging. They go, wade, remember when we did. Remember when we put your. Your desk in the elevator? Remember we did this? They go, remember when we went to the prop department at Conan and took photos with your disposable camera of the gay porn? I go, are you kidding me? I brought that photo of the disposable camera home. They developed the pictures Everybody thought I was taking photos of guys with electric. They go, no way. No way. I go way. Thank you.
Dan Kennedy
Adam Wade is originally from New Hampshire and a record 10 time moth story Slam champion. He's been seen on Comedy Central, ESPN, and in Glamour Magazine. Recently, he developed a television pilot script based on his high school years. Moth Story Slams are held monthly at El Cid in Los Angeles and weekly in New York City. Story Slam winners advance to compete in our Grand Slams. Our second story by Jonathan Ames was recorded live at the Moth main stage.
Jonathan Ames
Okay, well, I'm going to tell you my story now. In 1984, I was a sophomore at Princeton and I was one of the captains on the fencing team. And I briefly want to explain fencing to you a little bit for everyone. A few Jews knew what a moel was, and certainly the male Jews remember what a moil was. But for those of you who don't know what fencing is, I'm going to give you a quick lesson in fencing. There are three weapons. And I'm not going to make a joke about a pen being mightier than the sword, but I'm going to use a pen as a sword tonight, which is only fitting since it's the pen festival. So quickly, fencing. There are three weapons. The most common weapon that people know about is the foil. And in foil, the torso is the target area. And you use the tip of the blade like that. And so just the torso, not the arms, only the torso. Another weapon is the epee. And with that weapon, the whole body is the target, including the feet, the legs, the head, everything. But again, you only use the point. Now, the weapon I fenced was saber. And it was for me the most dashing, the most romantic, the most Errol Flynn like, because the way you scored touches was a slashing motion. Oftentimes I have a real saber when I do this, and you would have been in peril, but because I'm an expert, I merely would have just snipped a hair for a moment. But very lovely right in the front here. Anyway, so the saber is a slashing weapon. And the whole target area is everything above the hips, including the head and the arms. And so you make cutting motions like that and you slash across the body and it's very dynamic. So I was the captain and I loved the romance of fencing. So I named all my fellow saber fencers after great swordsmen in history. There was Sir Gawain, the Green Knight, one sort of goofy freshman we called Don Quixote, and myself I named El Cid. I was a Charlton Heston fan. This was, you know, I loved his face. This was before he was wearing that horrible wig and, you know, became an NRA spokesman. But even that was okay. He had a great face. You don't see faces like that every day. So I called myself El Cid, after the great Charlton Heston role. Now, I had a secret goal that sophomore year at Princeton and while training, and that was to beat the number one saber fencer at Columbia, Russell Wilson. My lifetime record against Russell Wilson was about 0 and 13. I'd been fencing him all through high school. I'd been fencing him at Junior Olympics. He was always beating me. Once at a party at the Junior Olympics, he snubbed me socially, which only added to my growing wound. He trained in New York City with expatriate Russian coaches. He had incredible skill. He was snobby. He was also a little bit chubby. And he had these sophisticated moves. So his whole worldview was opposed to mine. And I was always losing to him. So my goal, my secret goal sophomore year was to beat Russell Wilson. Now, to get ready for this, I would go for early morning lessons with my French fencing coach at Princeton, who was a gorgeous man. He had a. He had a bald head. Not that that's gorgeous, but he had a bald head and beautiful gray eyes. Kind of looked like Sean Connery. He'd been a commando in the Algerian war, the French Algerian war. And he would train me early in the morning, coming at me with a steel rod to make my parries extra firm, because you block here, you block here, you block here for the head. And he'd come at me. Elsid. Come on, El Cid. Commando. Commando. Because he was big into being a commando, and he was seeing me as a possible commando. And he would come at me with this steel bar, going commando, commando. And I would get ready, and he would tell me to be in my en guard position, which is like this. You must have a band of steel in the groin. El Cid. I don't know why we had to have a band of steel down here. But, you know, it wasn't chased or anything like that. But he liked us to have a band of steel down here, come at me with this rod. Then afterwards, you know, he would tell me stories of the war. And he would often tell this one story. He goes. One time I was walking along on patrol, and suddenly an electric cable, they shot me in the paddocks, and I went flying in the air. 30, 40ft, I was flying through the air, but then I landed on my feet like a Cat. Like a cat. El Cid. That's how you have to be with balance when you fence El Cid. And then two days later, he'd be like, el Cid. One time I was on patrol and electric cable struck me in the buttocks, and I went flying through the air. And then I landed on my feet like a cat. That's how you have to be. And I don't know, he was on some loop. Cause every two or three days, I would hear this electric cable story in the buttocks and flying through the air. And I'd be like, yes, coach, you're the greatest. You know, he had huge ego. He would claim that when he was my age, he could fly. When he went at someone with his saber, you know, he goes, I became Plenard. You know, this was plein air. Like, he would be totally flying through the air with his saber. Somehow at the time, though, I sort of believed him. You know, he said it was such conviction. Anyway, so we were both training like crazy. Finally, the big meet against Columbia happened, and we took a van from Princeton up to Columbia. And the coach also wanted me to win terribly because his wife had left him and was shacking up with the Columbia's coach. She had a thing for swordsman, I guess. And so he really wanted me to win. We both had a vendetta. So we go up to Columbia, and we're in the gym getting ready, and the Columbia team's not around. We're in our white outfit, stretching, starting to work out a little bit. And then suddenly, the whole gym fills with Wagner music. The Ride of the Valkyries, right? This scary Wagner music. And for me, I'm Jewish, and I'm like, what is this Wagner? You know, this is rocky music for the Nazi party. This is horrible. And then suddenly, the Columbia team comes racing in with their white outfits and their swords, trying to intimidate us to this Wagner, like the Nazi party. And it only made me more incense, made me want to beat Russell Wilson even more. So anyway, before I got to fence Russell Wilson, though, I fenced the lesser sabre guy on the Columbia team. And I lost to him. I was so keyed on Russell Wilson, I lost, which was disastrous. But our team was still competing. So then finally I got to fence Russell Wilson this bout. I'd been training months for these commando lessons with the iron rod in the morning, the buttock story, all so I could beat Russell Wilson. I get down in my band of steel. We're moving back and forth. I feint to his head and I cut him across the Belly. And I go up 1 0. Now, to win a fencing bout, you have to score five touches. And so I had gotten the first one. And when I scored a touch in fencing, I. I would. The language of fencing is French. And so when I scored the touch, I went, ela. And ela means and there, like. And there. You swine, you fool. You idiot. You know, you Londoner or something like that. So I would go, you know, ela. And I said it really loud, right? And then we're moving back and forth. He tried to cut me here. Boom. I hit him right in the head. I'm up 2 0. This is incredible. I'm winning. It's beautiful. Then he got a touch, two, one. But then I went ahead three one. This was wonderful. But then he started coming back. Three, three, two, three, three. It's like, oh, no. You know, I got down on my band of steel. Then I went ahead 4, 3. But then, sure enough, he cut. You know, he fainted to my head, cut me across the belly. It was now tied 4, 4. I could sense it going out of my hands. My inner loser was asserting itself. You know, my whole Oedipal upbringing, my father was always trying to crush me to keep me out of my mother's bed and everything like that. And so I could just sense it was happening again. Oh, no, I'm going to lose. It was four, four. Now, when it's for foreign fencing, it's called la belle, the beautiful touch. Because it's like the touch right before death. You know, the French love the death. Le petit mort, le grand mort. They love it all. So four, four is la belle. Because if you're recreating a duel to the death, the next touch would be the death touch. So my coach calls time out. I lift up my mask, and he starts speaking to me in French. U VA faire le contretemps. But at this point, I'm not absorbing any French. I'd been saying a la. With every touch, a la, you know, I couldn't get. That was the only French I could get out of me or in me. But he's giving me all these instructions with French. And I'm going, okay, coach, but I sense I'm going to lose. And so he walked off. My mask came down. And then he turned and looked at me with these beautiful bullet gray eyes he had. And he said, commando. And that was like our secret communication. Commando, the iron rod, everything okay? I'm good. So I got down on my band of steel, and I decided to do something very Risky. I tried to win by playing it defensive because I knew Russell Wilson. He wanted to really humiliate me. And one way to humiliate a saber fencer, the hand would also be target area. And in fencing, you're supposed to keep your hand back, but to keep your balance, sometimes it would come forward. And even though it's sort of macho and Errol Flynn like, it does look a little fey as you're kind of moving forward with this hand. Kind of very genteel and, you know, the pinky up or something like that. But anyway, my hand was out, and I knew he was going to want to cut it to really defeat me terribly. So I kind of kept it out there, almost like a trout fisherman with a lure. Come on, Russell Wilson. Go for my hand. Try to humiliate me. I know you're a sadist. You snubbed me at that party in Cleveland. Come on, cut my hand. So I was leaving it dangling out there, right? And now the danger was that when I went to parry, if I went too far, if I overcompensated, he would quickly move and cut me here. That was the danger of going for that. But I'm leaving it out there. I'm leaving it out there. I'm drawing him in, and he's moving back and forth. It's a beautiful dance, fencing. And then suddenly, sure enough, he makes his move. He goes for my hand. I wait till the last second.
Adam Wade
Boom.
Jonathan Ames
I parry him. It was beautiful. It was delicious. It was a wonderful clang of steel. I had him blocked, and his head was right there because he had extended himself. So all I had to do was go like that, tap him right on the head, and I win. All I had to do was go tap him right on the head. Now, I've been fencing, like everything in life. The closest distance between two points is a straight line. So just like that planar, like the coach had been telling me. But instead, like an idiot, like an inner loser, like blinded Oedipus, I rear back like that, exposing my arm. You fool. I sense my foolishness. But Russell Wilson was so shocked that I parried him. I still had time, so I compensated. And I came down ferociously on top of his head like that. Hey, la. And I went so nuts. So much craziness my whole life, so much confusion, all came out right on his head. And my saber snapped and broke over his head. Went flying into the air. Probably blinded a co ed, you know, Barnard. It went flying into the air. It was beautiful. And I went like that. And I had scored the touch. But then I went nuts. I started going, hela ela ay la.
Adam Wade
Ay la a la a la a la.
Jonathan Ames
It was like I had French Tourette's. I was like a dog in an alleyway, making love like the greatest lover ever. Up and down this pumping motion. The Aylas, the whole place was going crazy. And the judge, who was actually a Holocaust survivor with one eye and a lump and a bad leg, somehow he had seen this. Nobody could miss that. I had broken the blade over his head. He goes touch to the left, to Ames, to Princeton. And I had won. Whoever WINS in life no. 1, that's why we're here tonight. You never win. But I had won. And I was lifted up by my teammates. The greatest fencing victory of my life. I was Ebulian. And then I saw Russell Wilson down below, just kind of dizzy. And I said, oh, nice spout. Completely disingenuous, but showing good form. And we shook hands. And so that is the story of my greatest fencing victory. Thank you. So just two little quick things, almost like a coda. Several years later, I was at a dinner party. I mean, a few years ago at a dinner party and several years after the fact, and I took my knife and I told this story. And a girl at the dinner said, I know Russell Wilson, he's an arms dealer now for the government. I was like, what? Anyway, so then I was like, wow. Well, I defeated him, you know, and I don't care about him going in helicopters over the Middle East. But anyway, so then she emails me like a week later I mentioned you to Russell Wilson. He said he didn't remember you, so snatched it away from me. Anyway, thank you.
Dan Kennedy
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The Moth Podcast Episode Summary: "Adam Wade: Development & Jonathan Ames: The Duel"
Introduction
In the January 5, 2009 episode of The Moth, listeners are treated to two captivating true stories that showcase the bravery and creativity of live storytelling. Hosted by Dan Kennedy, this episode features Adam Wade’s "Development" and Jonathan Ames’ "The Duel." Both stories delve into personal journeys filled with ambition, rivalry, and unexpected twists, providing rich insights into the human experience.
Adam Wade: Development
Adam Wade opens his story with a nostalgic recount of his leap of faith moving from his hometown in New Hampshire to the bustling metropolis of New York City. At [03:04], he shares, “I went to New York, New York City. And for a year and a half, every other week, I sent a resume to the NBC page program. Never heard back. And then I got a call and I had two interviews. I said I was determined, considerate and hard working. And I became an NBC page.”
Wade details his experiences within the NBC page program, highlighting the competitive environment and the camaraderie with his peers. He humorously recalls his assignment with Conan O’Brien, where he forged memorable connections with the crew. A standout moment occurs at [07:26], when Wade describes the aftermath of his impish prank: “The camera guys and the sound guys, they wrote, dear Conan, I've been pissing in your coffee for the past eight weeks. Go fuck yourself. And I put it under his door. Conan didn't like that, but he did weave it on his, like, little desk. It was nice.”
The climax of Wade’s story revolves around his heartfelt return to his hometown to develop the photos he took during his NBC days. At [07:26], he shares a moment of awkward nostalgia: “And Linda Winters sat behind me in homeroom. She was in high school. She wouldn’t give me the time of day. And I would always turn around and pass her back. Hi, Linda.” This encounter leads to unexpected revelations about his photos, which Wade humorously discovers contain inappropriate images, prompting his reaction: “I ripped up the photos. I put them in the glove compartment... What am I going to do?”
The story concludes with Wade reflecting on his tenure at NBC and the lasting impressions of his experiences, encapsulating the blend of humor and humility that defines his journey.
Jonathan Ames: The Duel
Jonathan Ames transitions into a dramatically different narrative centered around his time as a sophomore at Princeton University. Starting at [10:29], Ames sets the stage by explaining his role as a fencing team captain: “In 1984, I was a sophomore at Princeton and I was one of the captains on the fencing team.”
Ames provides an engaging primer on fencing, distinguishing between the three weapons: foil, epee, and saber. He humorously demonstrates with the saber, saying, “the saber is a slashing weapon. And the whole target area is everything above the hips, including the head and the arms. And so you make cutting motions like that and you slash across the body and it's very dynamic.”
Central to Ames’ story is his intense rivalry with Russell Wilson, the top saber fencer at Columbia University. At [19:17], he describes the pivotal fencing match: “I had been fencing him all through high school. I'd been fencing him at Junior Olympics. He was always beating me.”
The tension peaks during the duel, where Ames narrates his strategic yet emotional battle to defeat Wilson. A notable moment occurs when Ames, caught in a moment of vulnerability, describes his inner turmoil: “My inner loser was asserting itself. You know, my whole Oedipal upbringing...” This introspection adds depth to the high-stakes duel.
The climax arrives as Ames recounts his unexpected victory: “Boom,” [19:17] he exclaims, detailing the final touch that wins him the bout. His triumphant yet chaotic reaction—“I parried him. It was beautiful. It was delicious...” [19:17]—captures the exhilaration and release of overcoming a long-standing challenge.
Ames concludes with a reflection on the lasting impact of this victory and its place in his life narrative, blending humor with a sense of accomplishment.
Conclusion
This episode of The Moth masterfully weaves together two distinct yet equally compelling narratives. Adam Wade’s story of ambition and humorously tangled nostalgia contrasts sharply with Jonathan Ames’ intense and introspective recounting of athletic rivalry and personal growth. Both storytellers exemplify the essence of The Moth: sharing genuine, unfiltered stories that resonate with audiences through their honesty, humor, and humanity. Whether aspiring to make it in New York City or striving for victory on the fencing strip, Wade and Ames invite listeners into their worlds with eloquence and emotional depth, making this episode a memorable exploration of personal triumphs and trials.