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Dan Kennedy
Welcome to the Moth Podcast. I'm Dan Kennedy and the Moth features true stories told live without notes. All stories from the podcast are taken from our ongoing storytelling series in New York, Los Angeles, Detroit and Chicago, and from our tour shows across the country. Visit themoth.org the story you're about to hear by Barry Gibbs was recorded live at the Moth main Stage back in 2006, and the theme of the night that night was trials and tribulations. Stories about the law.
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Barry Gibbs
Good evening ladies and gentlemen. My story goes like this. I was a mailman. I worked 20 years postal service delivered rattle. I delivered mail over here at Sutton Place South. I met very influential people. I enjoyed my job. It didn't pay enough, but I enjoyed my job. One day I was having a friend pick me up at my house and he was going to come at 12 o'clock and I went about 10 minutes earlier and I went up the street. I figured I'd wait for him to come down and he never came. And I walk back to my apartment building and I get thrown against the car and they tell me empty out my pockets and they say to me, you shouldn't have anything in your pockets that don't belong there. I didn't know what he meant by it, but that's so I put everything back in my pockets. I says, what's this about? He throws me in the back of the car and he says, I'm Detective Louis Eppolito, who was the mob cop who's right now going to go on trial next month. He says, when we get into the precinct, I'll tell you what it's all about. I get into the precinct. I go to sit down on a chair. He goes to a locker at the doorway, and he pulls out a Polaroid camera and he takes photos of me. He takes a front photo of me, and he takes a side photo of me. And then he comes over to me with a photo of a deceased body, a woman by the name of Virginia Robinson. I never knew Virginia Robinson, other than the fact that Epolito. When I said that he smacked me in the back of the head, I said, I don't understand what you're talking about. I said, what's that about? He says, you know who that is? I said, I have no idea what you're talking about. He smacked me again. I said, what are you doing? He smacked me again. He hit me about four or five times in the back of my head. After that, another officer, detective came in and how to pull him off of me. All right. He pulled him off of me. And I said, what's wrong with this guy? What, is he out of his mind? Is he crazy or what? I don't understand what's going on. He said to me, do you mind? Mr. Eppolito came back. I shouldn't say, Mr. Detective Epolito. Crooked cop Epolito. Yeah, that's the guy, right? He came back and he says to me, you mind standing in the lineup? I says, what do you mean? I might stand in line. Why, you got an eyewitness? He says, yeah, I have an eyewitness. I says, how reputable is he? He says, he's reputable. He's an ex MP Marine. He was in the police, you know, the Marines for five years. And he says to me, that's. That's his credentials. I says, well, you feel he's reputable? He says to me, yeah. I says, all right, then why not? If you feel he's reputable, I'll feel he's reputable. An innocent man has nothing to hide. Says to me, you want a lawyer? He says, what do I need a lawyer for? I didn't do anything. The next thing I know, he says to me, he's gonna bring in the eyewitness for a lineup. And they bring me in a bathroom, and I go into a bathroom, and I come out of the bathroom, and lo and behold, I go to sit down. He says to me, take any number you want. I Took a number two. He says to me, you got a problem with the lineup? I says, yeah, I got a problem with the lineup. Nobody in the lineup looks like me. He's got a problem. Of course I got a problem. He says to me, all right. He says, anything else? I says, yeah, they don't look like me. We're sitting down, you know. The description of the perpetrator was 5 foot 3 to 5 foot 7. I didn't know that until later on, but that was the description. So I realized why I was sitting down. It didn't take them more than a minute. They brought me back to the bathroom. I came out of the bathroom. I says, can I go home now? He says to me, he pushes me up against the wall. He says to me, you're wanted for the murder. Up. I says, what are you. Are you serious? He says, you're wanted for the murderer. I said, I'm getting out of here, and he pushed me into a holding cell. I says to him, do I get a phone call? He says to me, yeah. I says, okay, fine. Now, you got to remember, I'm an innocent guy. So the first thing I want to do is cooperate. Why wouldn't I want to cooperate? You know what I mean? I'm innocent. When they took me out in the lineup, I knew I had a problem. The wind up was I had a phone call. I called up my ex wife, who was my best friend. She was a real sweetheart. I went to say something to him, and Epolito grabbed the phone away from me. And as he grabbed the phone away from me, he started cursing to my ex wife, I don't know what you're doing with him. He's a murderer. I don't know what you see in him. I. I don't understand what. I says, epolito, is that phone call for you or is it for me? I says, give me the phone. Give me the phone. I says, hello? I says, vicki, do me a favor. I says, they got me for murder. I says, I need an attorney. You know, I need an attorney. I says, you got to help me out. I go to trial. I have Ira London as my attorney. He didn't want me to take the stand. He figured it was a slam dunk with circumstantial evidence. I wind up losing. The jury finds me guilty, all right? The jury finds me guilty, and I get sentenced to 20 to life. When the guilty verdict came back, I was sitting there. I was in shock. Ira London put his hand on my shoulder, says to me, barry, did you hear what they said? I didn't answer. I couldn't answer. I was in shock. Says to me again, barry, did you hear what they said? I says, I still didn't answer him. They said, barry, I'm talking to you. I says, ira, did they just say I'm guilty? He said, yeah. I said, well, I can't believe this. I said, I can't believe this. Unbelievable. Next thing I know, I'm being brought out of the courtroom in the back way and I'm sitting in a holding cell and I start gathering my thoughts. And the next thing you know, I am devastated. I break down, I start crying. And it was uncontrollable. I'm there all by myself. The next thing I know, I'm on my way to prison. It's the middle of the night. We're pulling up the Attica prison. Pitch dark, walls are about 40ft high. We walk through the entranceway. I get into prison and they slam the doors. What a frightening feeling. What a revolting development this is. I got a problem. I really got a problem, you know what I mean? So I go over and I got a few things I have to do. One is I have to work on my case and try to prove my innocence, which I did for 19 years. Every day I could, I went to the law library and I worked on my case. I made calls, I did whatever I could. Second thing was I had to learn how to live in jail. Very difficult situation. Whatever you learn out here, whatever is normal for us, you know, with relationships, how we talk to people, how we talk about people, is completely opposite from inside. It's a 360 degree turnaround. It took me over two and a half years to learn how to live in jail. It might take me another two and a half years to learn how not to live in jail. It's a hard thing. It's a very difficult situation. And the other thing I want to say is, according to the parole board, if you have no remorse, when you go to the parole board, they're going to hit you every two years. I had no remorse. I was a victim. I want you to listen closely. I was a victim here. I had no remorse. So I knew I was going to get hit every two years. So I decided I better do one thing. I better stop making plans to die in jail, which I did. I had a cemetery plot out in Long Island. I had a life insurance policy. I had a friend of mine who's here tonight. I made him power of attorney over my life because in the event that I Die. I needed somebody to talk up for me. And the other thing was, I had the rabbi from the facility because I'm from the Jewish faith. I had him go over and put down on my chart that they couldn't perform an autopsy on my body because it's against the religion. So I was already prepared to die. Then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, we go to the auditorium on the weekends and they have movies. And one day I'm looking on a movie. I'm going to show you how this Epolito really haunted me. This Detective Epolito, boy, he haunted me. I'm looking at the movie and I see Detective Epolito's face in a movie, the Lost Highway. I said to myself, look at him, he's in Hollywood. And I'm over here for a crime I didn't commit. The next thing I know, about a year later, I'm turning the television and I come to a program, Sally Jesse Raphael. And I see Detective Eppolito's face on that program. I said to myself, this son of a bitch, I said, look at this guy now. I didn't know what he was saying on his show because I only broke into it, maybe middle or near the end of the show. So I waited for the critics and I sent away for the transcript because I wanted to see what he was talking about. I read the transcript, I read what he was talking about. And then one day, 10 years later, it's 10 years later. Now I'm listening to the news, I'm a news junkie and I hear two prominent detectives, high ranking detectives from New York, get arrested in Las Vegas on drug charges. I couldn't believe it when I heard that. I called up the Innocence Project, which was working on my case. They had it for about seven years and they said to me they would look into it. Apparently what they found there was enough to release me to get my conviction reversed and my indictment dismissed. However, on a 20 year to life sentence, I did serve 19 years. They took 19 years of my life. They took my identification, they took my id, they took my Social Security card, they took my driver's license, they took my identification. They took everything from me. I lost my son, I lost my family. I lost my friends. Not my good friends. My good friends stuck with me. But I lost my friends and I lost my dignity and I lost my honor. And the man destroyed me, totally destroyed me. I want to say this, and I want you people to listen to me. Good. I always believed in the criminal justice system. I always thought it was correct. I always thought if I helped and try to give them whatever they could to prove that I was innocent, it would help. But it doesn't help. What I believe is this, whatever happened to me can happen to anybody out here. And it's a very frightening feeling what's going on. And I gotta say thank you.
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Dan Kennedy
Barry Gibbs was falsely accused of murder and in 2006, after serving 19 years in prison, he was exonerated with the help of the Innocence Project. New York City recently gave him the largest personal settlement in its history, $9.9 million. Louis Eppolito, the detective who framed Barry Gibbs in order to protect the Mafia, is currently serving life in prison. The Moth is a non profit organization, so consider supporting our free podcast by going to our podcast contribution page or by becoming a Moth member and you can do that@themost.org you can also buy moth stories on CD from our website. Today's story can be found on Trials and Tribulations Stories About Law.
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Our podcast host Dan Kennedy is the author of the book Rock An Office Power Ballad. Learn more@rockonthebook.com thanks to all of you.
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Dan Kennedy
For listening and we hope you have a story worthy week. Podcast audio production by Paul Ruest at the Argo Studios in New York Podcast hosting by PRX Public Radio Exchange helping make public radio more public@prx.org.