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When a listener called in and left a voicemail on TNR hotline, the Kelly and JL jumped on making an episode out of it! The topic of forgiveness is a hard one for a lot of people ... how do you forgive someone else, and just as importantly, how do you forgive yourself? What does it take? How can you truly let go? Kelly and JL do some cathartic friend therapy: Kelly dives into a very personal circumstance of learning to forgive herself and JL how far she's come with not letting other people's opinions dictate how she feels about herself. Follow TNR on Substack + socials:https://www.youtube.com/@thenakedroompodhttps://substack.com/@thenakedroompodhttps://www.instagram.com/thenakedroompodhttps://www.tiktok.com/@thenakedroompodWanna write in with a question? Have a comment? Email TNR:nakedroompodcast@gmail.comCall us and leave an anonymous VM:+1 (213) 537-9791Sponsor discount codes:Solaray, for 20% off use THENAKEDROOM at checkoutFree Bird (Kelly + JL’s FAVORITE water), for 10% off use NakedRoom10 at checkout Get full access to The Naked Room at thenakedroompod.substack.com/subscribeBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-naked-room--6794651/support.

This week in TNR, Kelly and JL chat with Delaney Debinski! Skydiving, new media entrepreneurship, and moving across the pond, OH MY! Delaney relocated to Belgium from the States, and that’s influenced all facets of her life. She created Delavie Creative (in French, delavie means “of life”) to help her clients strike a balance between the work and the personal to build a sustainable lifestyle. And to set better boundaries around knowing when it’s time to turn OFF … before the dreaded BURNOUT. insert melty face emoji here. Listen in to hear Delaney’s actionable tips on how to achieve striking a better balance! This is your sign to shut down, put your phone to bed, and go to yoga class. Delaney Debinski ⤵️ (Hire this woman. She’ll change your life!) https://delaviecreative.com/https://www.instagram.com/hey_there_delaney/https://www.instagram.com/delaviecreative/https://www.linkedin.com/company/delaviecreative/https://www.linkedin.com/in/delaneydebinski/Follow TNR on Substack + socials:https://www.youtube.com/@thenakedroompodhttps://substack.com/@thenakedroompodhttps://www.instagram.com/thenakedroompodhttps://www.tiktok.com/@thenakedroompodWanna write in with a question? Have a comment? Email TNR:nakedroompodcast@gmail.comCall us and leave an anonymous VM:+1 (213) 537-9791Helpful links / shoutouts:Unplugged Cabins (in the UK): https://unplugged.rest/ (Manifesting a TNR retreat 🙏)The Offline Club. SIGN. ME. UP. https://www.theoffline-club.com/Booksmart. “Malalaaaa!” https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6062774/Sponsor discount codes:Solaray, for 20% off use THENAKEDROOM at checkouthttps://solaray.com/Free Bird (Kelly + JL’s FAVORITE water), for 10% off use NakedRoom10 at checkout\https://drinkfreebird.com/ Get full access to The Naked Room at thenakedroompod.substack.com/subscribeBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-naked-room--6794651/support.

TNR’s #1 MVP and supporter, Kelly’s mom, Brenda Lawson, joins Kelly + JL to celebrate the holiest of all the Hallmark holidays, Mother’s Day. Tune in for reflections on motherhood and being a daughter. Being a mom is the most wonderful (and scariest and frustrating and incredible, on and on — all the emotions) experience any woman can have. There’s no relationship like that of the one between a mother and daughter. Kelly and her mom dive into some childhood memories, and Brenda remembers her mom and how great of a listener she was. JL emphasizes how her mom, “Hot Donna”, has always led with kindness and how she taught JL the value of good, hard work. This episode is just wholesome af and has all the feels. Drop in and give your nervous system the break that it needs 🧡Follow TNR on Substack + socials:https://www.youtube.com/@thenakedroompodhttps://substack.com/@thenakedroompodhttps://www.instagram.com/thenakedroompodhttps://www.tiktok.com/@thenakedroompodWanna write in with a question? Have a comment? Email TNR:nakedroompodcast@gmail.comCall us and leave an anonymous VM:+1 (213) 537-9791Sponsor discount codes:Solaray, for 20% off use THENAKEDROOM at checkouthttps://solaray.com/Free Bird (Kelly + JL’s FAVORITE water), for 10% off use NakedRoom10 at checkouthttps://drinkfreebird.com/ Get full access to The Naked Room at thenakedroompod.substack.com/subscribeBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-naked-room--6794651/support.

This week in TNR, Annie Choi joins Kelly and JL to talk about something that sometimes feels like the Wild West: dating and relationships in 2026. Being on the apps is exhausting, and Annie shares her insights on the current dating landscape: the good, the bad, and the face palm moments. Like that one time a dude asked her how they would keep in touch after she said she was getting off the apps. DUDE. Come on. Maybe ask for her number, bro! Being THE boss lady (Found Coffee just celebrated 11 years of business!!) and a community SUPERSTAR, Annie’s the best catch in town.Annie Choi + Found Coffee (in Eagle Rock, Los Angeles) ⤵️:https://www.linkedin.com/in/choiannie/https://www.instagram.com/foundcoffeelahttps://www.foundcoffeela.com/Follow TNR on Substack + socials:https://www.youtube.com/@thenakedroompodhttps://substack.com/@thenakedroompodhttps://www.instagram.com/thenakedroompodhttps://www.tiktok.com/@thenakedroompodWanna write in with a question? Have a comment? Email TNR:nakedroompodcast@gmail.comCall us and leave an anonymous VM:+1 (213) 537-9791Helpful links / shoutouts:Pitch your single friends for dates! There are TONS of cities in the US and beyond where they do these events!https://www.pitch-a-friend.com/losangeleshttps://www.instagram.com/pitchafriend.losangeles/Sponsor discount codes:Solaray, for 20% off use THENAKEDROOM at checkouthttps://solaray.com/Free Bird (Kelly + JL’s FAVORITE water), for 10% off use NakedRoom10 at checkouthttps://drinkfreebird.com/ Get full access to The Naked Room at thenakedroompod.substack.com/subscribeBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-naked-room--6794651/support.

Sup, Roomies! This week, a fan wrote in a question that Kelly and JL couldn't deny -- it's a doozy! One of the biggest questions of all the questions ... "Do you believe in God?" JL and Kelly contemplate their definition of what God means to them, how curious it is that so many religions are rooted in similar beliefs, and yet, WHY so much division? (Make it make sense!) JL can't stop talking about how much she loves space, and Kelly is unabashedly owning her woo woo-nessFollow TNR on Substack + socials:https://www.youtube.com/@thenakedroompodhttps://substack.com/@thenakedroompodhttps://www.instagram.com/thenakedroompodhttps://www.tiktok.com/@thenakedroompodWanna write in with a question? Have a comment? Email TNR:nakedroompodcast@gmail.comCall us and leave an anonymous VM:+1 (213) 537-9791Helpful links / shoutouts:Sadly, JL's Aunt Sally passed away soon after we recorded this episode. Here's a tribute to her with her favorite song, "This Little Light of Mine" covered by Sister Rosetta Tharpe:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj3fpujjFisNate Bargatze doesn't believe in dinosaurs:https://youtube.com/shorts/RFgqPieqRio?si=m40AEfpyYf3pDdgnSponsor discount codes:Solaray, for 20% off use THENAKEDROOM at checkouthttps://solaray.com/Free Bird (Kelly + JL’s FAVORITE water), for 10% off use NakedRoom10 at checkouthttps://drinkfreebird.com/ Get full access to The Naked Room at thenakedroompod.substack.com/subscribeBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-naked-room--6794651/support.

There's a MAN in TNR this week! The Substack algo sent Kelly a beacon of hope in Mike Underell. Male feminists are few and far between, so a conversation with Mike was categorized as a need to have. Mike shares insights on allyship, the power of women's sports, and how he's dismantling the patriarchy from within. He challenges other men to question their own programming and breaks down his own processing in this powerful conversation that has JL and Kelly rivetedI was watching hockey when my daughter asked, “Do girls play sports?” I was shocked! Despite all the sports we do together, she only saw boys on TV. It hit me hard—what messages am I sending her? Mike Underell ⤵️:https://www.instagram.com/mikeinprogress_/https://substack.com/@mikeinprogresshttps://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeunderell/Follow TNR on Substack + socials:https://www.youtube.com/@thenakedroompodhttps://substack.com/@thenakedroompodhttps://www.instagram.com/thenakedroompodhttps://www.tiktok.com/@thenakedroompodEmail TNR:nakedroompodcast@gmail.comCall us and leave an anonymous VM:+1 (213) 537-9791Helpful links / shoutouts:It's in the stats ... women's sports is growing in popularity, and FAST. SHOW THE ATHLETES THE MONEY 💵https://www.forbes.com/sites/lizelting/2026/04/09/womens-sports-see-historic-growth-its-time-its-athletes-get-paid-like-it/Parental support is invaluable to keep girls in sportshttps://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2021/06/08/daughter-in-sports-role-models-parental-support-can-help-keep-girls-participating/On Our Best Behavior by Elise Loehnenhttps://www.eliseloehnen.com/onourbestbehaviorSponsor discount codes:Solaray, for 20% off use THENAKEDROOM at checkoutFree Bird (Kelly + JL’s FAVORITE water), for 10% off use NakedRoom10 at checkout Get full access to The Naked Room at thenakedroompod.substack.com/subscribeBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-naked-room--6794651/support.

We're going back to the most popular decade in 2026: THE 90s! WOOT! JL and Kelly lived it, and they are reminiscing through some good ole trivia. It's SO challenging to fit such a robust decade into one episode, so they may be back for moreeee. What's your favorite memory from the 90s? Or, if you weren't there, what do you wish you could have experienced?Follow TNR on Substack + socials:https://www.youtube.com/@thenakedroompodhttps://substack.com/@thenakedroompodhttps://www.instagram.com/thenakedroompodhttps://www.tiktok.com/@thenakedroompodEmail TNR:nakedroompodcast@gmail.comCall us and leave an anonymous VM:+1 (213) 537-9791Helpful links / shoutouts:Here's Kelly's episode on the Trash Talk podcast with Erin + Erica! Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5wfsFGvGOJBVVi7w71pQOt?si=sBoWV85VRuqL5dgrTZtSMAApple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/stop-apologizing-with-kelly-elaine-garthwaite/id1799824908?i=1000754398199Let's get this right! Here's the top song of the 90s, One Sweet Day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXxRyNvTPr8Anna Moon: https://open.spotify.com/artist/7jQNcQ3XPqPBVPHNgKSOyTMariana Bell: https://open.spotify.com/artist/6kxBmWynhaAznNs5q3mIgjAre you in the 15%?? https://www.buzzfeed.com/mmorrison90/how-well-do-you-remember-the-90s-q2oslznyoSo, spicy food can cause wacky dreams?? https://www.nbcnews.com/healthmain/can-spicy-food-really-give-you-nightmares-1c8388656We're obsessed? you're obsessed! https://www.vice.com/en/article/the-real-reason-everyones-so-obsessed-with-90s-nostalgia-right-now/Sponsor discount codes:Solaray, for 20% off use THENAKEDROOM at checkoutFree Bird (Kelly + JL’s FAVORITE water), for 10% off use NakedRoom10 at checkout Get full access to The Naked Room at thenakedroompod.substack.com/subscribeBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-naked-room--6794651/support.

Last week in TNR, Kelly and JL got real about AI and the Analog Revolution ... and then the verdict came back on the Meta / YouTube case. Some folks are comparing this case to the Big Tobacco fallout back in the late 1990s. The ruling called out what we've known for a while now: tech addiction is real. JL and Kelly discuss their own relationships with social media going back to the godfather, AOL Instant Messenger (iykyk). Social media: the good, the bad and the (ugly) comparisons Follow TNR on Substack + socials:https://www.youtube.com/@thenakedroompodhttps://substack.com/@thenakedroompodhttps://www.instagram.com/thenakedroompodhttps://www.tiktok.com/@thenakedroompodEmail TNR:nakedroompodcast@gmail.comCall us and leave an anonymous VM:+1 (213) 537-9791Helpful links / shoutouts:Here are a few sources that explain the case in more detail: Forbes https://www.forbes.com/sites/anishasircar/2026/03/31/big-techs-big-tobacco-moment-what-the-meta-and-youtube-ruling-means-for-you/WSJ https://www.wsj.com/tech/do-back-to-back-courtroom-losses-herald-metas-big-tobacco-moment-57e6f227?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=AWEtsqf5bioETlAm3s8Ht-Q3IS7VR64yMuJRKgj7za7SewrRzW3zBMxhWsK7uY4a3gw%3D&gaa_ts=69cc6b61&gaa_sig=ZWt-oy2b273WqjQZK9iqpT5NcYDQgxcnkKMTRjgeK8eYw2g5cGfjfV54WqLp8gIGDqnpQt3vUlwS7fGwYr1O8w%3D%3DNPRhttps://www.npr.org/2026/03/25/nx-s1-5746125/meta-youtube-social-media-trial-verdictProfit over teenagers' safety: https://apnews.com/article/instagram-teens-safety-meta-bejar-13276348cde2dcc1ee94c66227ea25dcHolladay Spa in Charlottesville, VA for a facial that will transport you to another universe: https://www.holladayspa.com/One FULL hour of AOL Instant Messenger sounds in case you need some 90s ASMR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0_RgmGt6WwSponsor discount codes:Solaray, for 20% off use THENAKEDROOM at checkoutFree Bird (Kelly + JL’s FAVORITE water), for 10% off use NakedRoom10 at checkout Get full access to The Naked Room at thenakedroompod.substack.com/subscribeBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-naked-room--6794651/support.

The conversation about AI is on everyone's lips right now, but with the push to automate more of our lives comes an interesting reaction ... tapping out and focusing on being less digital. JL and Kelly discuss how a large portion of humans are doing a deep re-evaluation about their connection to technology. The reaction is an uptick in the purchase of dumb phones and vinyl. And thanks(!!) Gen Z for buying so much film that Kodak was able to rise from the ashes! AI's not going anywhere, but analog is balancing the scales.Follow TNR on Substack + socials:https://www.youtube.com/@thenakedroompodhttps://substack.com/@thenakedroompodhttps://www.instagram.com/thenakedroompodhttps://www.tiktok.com/@thenakedroompodEmail TNR:nakedroompodcast@gmail.comCall us and leave an anonymous VM:+1 (213) 537-9791Helpful links / shoutouts:SEVEN ton meteorite hit Ohio: https://apnews.com/article/ohio-search-meteor-asteroid-fireball-explosion-990fdb46f4c0c447357e4c0e387c1dcfYOU too can own the answering machine + wall mount phone! https://ebay.us/m/IRRYHYThe Payphone Go game (all 2,000 working pay phones in California): https://www.npr.org/2026/03/14/nx-s1-5737582/a-game-challenges-californians-to-find-a-working-payphoneLandline pod for children in Maine town: https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/maine-mom-creates-landline-pod-for-her-children-246487621516ANOTHER Maine story ... a man used his own money to restore pay phones for free public use: https://www.npr.org/2025/08/04/nx-s1-5484013/engineer-restores-pay-phones-for-free-public-use3 Reasons to ditch your phone before bed: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/put-the-phone-away-3-reasons-why-looking-at-it-before-bed-is-a-bad-habitPeople are ditching their smartphones: https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/best-dumb-phones-guide/Sponsor discount codes:Solaray, for 20% off use THENAKEDROOM at checkoutFree Bird (Kelly + JL’s FAVORITE water), for 10% off use NakedRoom10 at checkout Get full access to The Naked Room at thenakedroompod.substack.com/subscribeBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-naked-room--6794651/support.

This week in TNR, Ambra Hubert joins JL and Kelly for a conversation that celebrates risk taking, reinvention and the power of the wisdom gained from over four decades of life. Ambra discusses a trauma response that resulted in doing a TED Talk, the myriad ways in which she’s reinvented herself, her background in art, and how she’s rewiring her thinking from “it’s too late for me” to “I could still start a media empire if I want to!” This episode is a reminder that failure isn’t the end of the road — often it’s just the beginning of a new, much more aligned chapter … AND finally, can you change the way you perceive fear (and instead turn it into curiosity)?Ambra Hubert ⤵️:https://www.linkedin.com/in/ambra-hubert/https://www.ambrahubert.com/Permission Slips newsletter: https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/permission-slips-7419778664252338176/https://www.instagram.com/ambra.hubert/Follow TNR on Substack + socials:https://www.youtube.com/@thenakedroompodhttps://substack.com/@thenakedroompodhttps://www.instagram.com/thenakedroompodhttps://www.tiktok.com/@thenakedroompodEmail TNR:nakedroompodcast@gmail.comCall us and leave an anonymous VM:+1 (213) 537-9791Helpful links / shoutouts:The fitness influencer JL mentioned (Alicia Erickson): https://www.instagram.com/aliciae/A commentary on the Cool Girl trope: https://swlondoner.shorthandstories.com/how-gone-girl-exposed-the-cool-girl-trope-and-changed-the-course-of-modern-feminism/index.htmlAmbra’s Weird LinkedIn zine: https://cdnc.heyzine.com/files/uploaded/v3/9a26efa54e3604b9670f25d60e859fd323ef27f0.pdfWhat aging GIVES us: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVPG9MYkyUP/?igsh=MTVkdnVpcXdrODY2Zg%3D%3DAnnndddd, lastly, before y’all get your panties in a wad thinking that Kelly mentioned “red pilling" as it exists now, the Red Pill reference was the OG … The Matrix from 1999. It represents enlightenment and awareness of what’s real instead of living in a mind space of being blissfully ignorant: https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/religion-and-philosophy/red-pill-and-blue-pillSponsor discount codes:Solaray, for 20% off use THENAKEDROOM at checkoutFree Bird (Kelly + JL’s FAVORITE water), for 10% off use NakedRoom10 at checkout Get full access to The Naked Room at thenakedroompod.substack.com/subscribeBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-naked-room--6794651/support.