Idiocracy

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Necessary Conversation

Episode: Idiocracy
Date: May 31, 2026
Host: The Necessary Conversation
Theme: Family Therapy Through Politics

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Overview

This episode features an intimate mother-son conversation in the aftermath of America's deeply divisive 2024 election. With other family members absent or unavailable, the host and his mother (both regulars on the show) tackle several timely and controversial political topics using their characteristic mix of candor, wit, and familial honesty. The show’s backdrop is ongoing political turmoil, and the episode foregrounds both generational and ideological divides, with the host gently challenging his mother's assumptions and perspectives while highlighting shifts in her thinking on key issues.

Note: The episode ends abruptly due to recurring internet problems on the mom's end.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Opening Remarks & Show Set-Up

• Family check-in: Only the host (A) and his mom (B) are present. The absence of other family members is noted for its impact on dynamic.
• Mom is not wearing her usual Trump hat, which the host lightly questions, noting a recent trend.
  • [01:20] A: “You have not been wearing a Trump hat, per your own choice.”
  • [01:38] B: “I like this hat for USA. Now that we're getting close to the 250th.”
• The host lists topics they plan to discuss: UFC at the White House, ICE controversies, Trump’s birthday celebration, Pam Bondi and the Epstein files, Trump’s proposal for a $250 bill, and his DOJ’s actions regarding E. Jean Carroll.

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2. “Definition of Woke” – Audience Question Segment

Timestamps: 04:51–09:54

• Listener Jay from Austin asks: “Can everybody take a minute and give me your definition of woke?”
• The host offers a thoughtful sociological take:
  • [05:21] A: “Woke… was a term to describe a mindset… that conveyed an understanding of systemic racism...”
• Mom’s perspective is rooted in current culture wars:
  • [06:38] B: “Woke is more like… going into a Target store… with strange clothes… or hiring only people by certain race or color and not by their credentials.”
• In discussing co-opting of the term "woke", they highlight the contemporary negative connotations adopted by the political right.
• Notable moment:
  • [09:54] B: “That’s how I perceive it. I’m sorry.”
  • [08:25] B: “Like another wokeness thing would be that commercial, the Budweise[r]… with the transgendered person.”

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3. UFC at the White House

Timestamps: 10:16–18:16

• The host introduces the news that Trump will host a $60 million UFC event on the South Lawn (combining the 250th anniversary of the nation and Trump’s birthday).
• Criticism centers on:
  • Wastefulness of taxpayer money.
  • Inappropriateness of turning the White House into a spectacle.
  • Symbolic shift from decorum to dystopian celebrations.
  • [11:32] B: “I think it’s a little odd. I think it’s a little bizarre…”
  • [12:50] B: "...it’s a waste of money. It’s bizarre. If he wants to do that, do it outside the White House somewhere else.”
• They compare this to previous presidents’ traditions (Obama’s basketball court, Reagan’s events, et al.).
• The host frames Trump’s motivations as egotistical:
  • [17:41] A: “He’s doing it because he views himself as a Roman emperor. And this is a like Roman Coliseum, gladiator style sport. Kill for my pleasure.”
• Mom is critical and agrees that it’s inappropriate:
  • [14:46] B: “I did see this… Democrats are mad at Trump for holding his MMA match on the hallowed ground of the White House where Biden hosted a topless trans party.”
  • [16:29] B: “I’ll take a basketball court over a MMA fight. Yes.”
  • [16:47] B: “I think people are not liking it for sure.”
  • Multiple times, the host notes ("another strike against him") her change in tone on Trump.

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4. ICE Problems in New Jersey — Private Prison Abuse

Timestamps: 18:29–26:22

• Reports of protests, hunger strikes, and squalid conditions at Delaney Hall, a for-profit ICE detention center (run by GEO Group).
  • Host: “$2.6 billion in revenue last year by incarcerating human beings.”
  • Incidents: Overcrowding, maggot-infested food, lack of medicine, and neglected medical needs.
• Political action: Rep. Andy Kim pepper-sprayed at a protest; curfews in response to unrest.
• The host connects Trump’s financial interests to incarceration quotas:
  • [22:27] A: “Guess who owns stock in Geo Group and all of these other companies… Donald Trump.”
  • [23:00] A: Details on quotas and profit incentive in private prisons.
• Mom shares personal stories about acquaintances affected by the system and acknowledges the inhumanity:
  • [24:06] B: “My friend was taken just to Dallas for one night and then to Mexico. These people are being held up there forever, it seems like.”
  • Agrees system is broken and abusive:
    [25:24] B: “They should be able to feed them... It’s very, very sad. We got to investigate this and do better.”
• Host points out investigations exist, but nothing changes.

Notable shift:
Mom increasingly disapproves of Trump policies (she disagrees with Trump for a second time).

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5. Artists Boycotting Trump’s Freedom 250 Event

Timestamps: 26:46–35:09

• Famed artists scheduled for Trump’s "Great American State Fair" birthday celebration withdraw participation upon realizing its clear political alignment.
• Mom’s take:
  • Initially blames "politicization" in general, then acknowledges artists’ right to withdraw.
  • Reads a friend's Facebook post urging “country over party” and the importance of nonpartisan patriotism, but the host contends Trump’s leadership is fundamentally different (cult-like and uniquely corrupt).
• Notable lines:
  • [31:20] B: "Country over party, patriotism should cross over party lines for all of us."
  • [32:30] A: “Trump is the worst president we've ever had, bar none. The most corrupt president we've ever had, bar none.”
• Mom sticks to her view that artists can make their own decision and declines to call Trump "pathetic" for being unable to attract mainstream acts.
• Light banter about “Ice, Ice, Baby” (Vanilla Ice is the only major performer left).

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6. Family Segment: 51st Anniversary Reflections

Timestamps: 36:10–40:32

• Mom shares relationship advice after her 51st wedding anniversary.
  • Emphasizes commitment, loyalty, and keeping problems between partners.
  • Reality of “ups and downs” and importance of love over material things.
  • [39:23] B: “What matters is the person you're standing in the room with during the day. And at the end, I'm with him till the end. He's with me till the end.”
• Host and mom exchange mutual support and affirmation.

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7. Pam Bondi, the Epstein File, and DOJ Stonewalling

Timestamps: 40:32–42:24

• Discussion of Pam Bondi’s refusal to testify under oath regarding the Epstein files and the DOJ’s apparent willingness to shield her from accountability.
  • Host: “Why do you think the Republicans didn’t swear her in or videotape the testimony?”
  • [41:50] B: “It doesn't make sense… It's terrible.”
• Both express dismay at the lack of transparency and lack of action.
• Conversation is abruptly cut off by connectivity issues, with the host returning to wrap up and signal the close.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On “Woke” (05:21, A): “Woke… was a term to describe a mindset… that conveyed an understanding of systemic racism...”
• Trump Critique (17:41, A): “He’s doing it because he views himself as a Roman emperor. And this is a like Roman Coliseum, gladiator style sport. Kill for my pleasure.”
• ICE/Geo Group Grift (22:27, A): “Guess who owns stock in Geo Group and all these other companies… Donald Trump.”
• Artist Boycott (31:20, B): “Country over party, patriotism should cross over party lines for all of us.”
• Marriage Wisdom (39:23, B): “What matters is the person you're standing in the room with during the day. And at the end, I'm with him till the end. He's with me till the end.”
• On Corruption (32:30, A): “Trump is the worst president we've ever had, bar none. The most corrupt president we've ever had, bar none.”

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Episode Structure with Timestamps

| Segment | Time | |---------------------------------------------|------------| | Opening / Family Banter | 00:01–02:35| | Audience Question: Definition of "Woke" | 04:51–09:54| | Topic 1: UFC at the White House | 10:16–18:16| | Topic 2: ICE Problems in New Jersey | 18:29–26:22| | Topic 3: Artists Boycotting Trump Event | 26:46–35:09| | 51st Anniversary Reflections | 36:10–40:32| | Topic 4: Pam Bondi & Epstein File | 40:32–42:24| | Abrupt Ending & Host Wrap-Up | 42:24–END |

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Tone & Style

• Language & Dynamic: The episode’s tone balances familial teasing, honest disagreements, and occasionally raw vulnerability, especially in personal segments.
• Tone: Earnest, probing, with flashes of humor and affectionate exasperation. The host is critical and investigative; mom is sometimes defensive, often pragmatic, and crosses ideological lines mid-episode.

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Final Notes

• This episode is slightly truncated due to technical problems.
• A recurring theme is the mother's growing skepticism of Trump’s actions and policies — a significant shift documented in real-time (“My eyes are being opened a little bit here.” – [26:37] B).
• The podcast exemplifies how family conversations can mirror, challenge, and sometimes soften the wider cultural-political divide in America.

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Transcript

[A]

In the Aftermath of the 2024 election, America is even more divided than before. Half the country fears the end of democracy, and the other half welcomes it as America inches toward the brink of authoritarian rule. Now, more than ever, we must force ourselves to have the Necessary Conversation. Before we start today's episode. I just wanted to give a quick disclaimer. My mom's Internet was crapping out basically for this entire episode. So we didn't even get through the entire thing. But I'm going to put out what we did get, and we're just missing the end of this episode. My apologies on that one. Hopefully the Internet will be healed by this Wednesday when we have our next episode. But here is what we got for today's show. Welcome to the Necessary Conversation. My sister Haley is gallivanting. My. My dad Bob is reclining in a bed. So it's just you and me, Mom.

[B]

I'm here.

[A]

I see that you're here. Not wearing a Trump hat.

[B]

Once again, we've discussed this again. I can go get it. It's no big deal. This is usa. Here I am. I can wear my MAGA if you want me to. I'm still.

[A]

I want you to wear whatever you want to wear. But it just, I'm just saying, just bringing to your attention that for maybe the past month, you have not been wearing a Trump hat, per your own choice.

[B]

I like this hat for USA. Now that we're getting close to the 250th.

[A]

Okay, go back and forth.

[B]

I can mix it up.

[A]

Do whatever you want. I'm just saying. I'm just noticing a trend here or a lack thereof.

[B]

You're trying to push me into something that I'm not.

[A]

I'm not pushing anything. I'm. I'm simply observing how you are choosing to represent yourself. And in the past month or so, it has not been with a Donald Trump hat. That's all I'm saying.

[B]

That means nothing, but go ahead.

[A]

Okay. Well, we've got a lot to cover today. Speaking of the 250th celebration of the United States of America, we're going to be covering UFC at the White House, ice problems in New Jersey, nobody wanting to play Trump's little birthday party. Pam Bondi still protecting the pedophiles. We going to be talking about that $250 bill that Trump wants to put his face on and how Trump is weaponizing his own DOJ against Eugene Carroll. So before we get to any of that. Mom, do you have any ditties?

[B]

Oh, my Gosh, my brain just went blank. But I didn't prepare for that. But I wanted. I can do Diddy. I can say this to all the people that have DM me. Thank you, thank you, thank you. You know, a lot of people were saying they want him back. To hear his voice yelling at people,

[A]

Jesus, him, yes, Bob. Yes, my father.

[B]

Yes, Bob, Dad. To get him back. I am just. My heart is. I get happy when I see some of those for sure. And thank you. Thank you. I mean, from all over the world now. I said that last week. I'm getting them from all over the world. The world. Which is incredible. I show Bob the good ones. There's not very many bad ones anymore. They're all good. They're all good. They want him back as well. We do too.

[A]

And. But I mean, isn't that crazy to you that this is a guy who has on this very show time and time again called for the genocide of entire populations, murder of children, etc. Etc. And people want to want him to get better. They wish him well.

[B]

I know. It's called kindness. We all need more of it. Yes, it's kindness. It has touched me in ways to get me to the next day. It really has. Thank you.

[A]

All right. Pretty good, Diddy. Let's move into our viewer question. If you have a question that you would like us to answer, all you have to do is record it in a one minute or shorter video format, send it to the necessary conversation part, pod Gmail.com. and I would ask one other thing. Put in the subject line question. Because most of the emails I now get are people sending me Instagram links and YouTube links and stuff like this, which I appreciate. I go through as many as I can if I have time. But generally speaking, I don't look at those at all. I only look at the ones that have an attachment so that I can see if it's a question or not. So if you are sending in a question, please put in the subject line of the email question or question for the show or whatever. Just the word question in some capacity in that subject line so that I can easily sift through them. Here's our question for today. Are you ready, Mom?

[B]

Ready?

[C]

Hey, coaching crew, what's going on? I'm Jay. I'm in Austin. Love the show. My question or my question is for everybody. Can everybody take a minute and give me your definition of woke? That's it. I'll take it easy.

[A]

All right, mom, do you want me to go or do you want to go?

[B]

You Go first.

[A]

Okay, my definition of woke, as I understand it is basically it was a term to describe a mindset that conveyed an understanding of systemic racism in various institutions in America that you understood you were woke, basically, if you understood that racism still exists in government, education, like every system that we have in America. That's my understanding of where that term came from. And originally it was not, you know, a derogatory term. It was not used as an insult. It was used to convey that like you understand the bigger thing going on. That's my understanding of it. Now, obviously it's become the right kind of co opted it and turned it into a slur almost against anybody who is liberal in any way, certainly against things like DEI or any attempts at equality in the various institutions that systemic racism or discrimination of any kind is obviously a foundational piece of at this point. That's my understanding of it. Mom.

[B]

Wow. I can't top that answer, but

[A]

okay,

[B]

that's like crazy definition to me.

[A]

Wait a minute, why is it crazy?

[B]

It's like, wow. The way you described it to me, woke is more like, you know, the like going into a Target store and like, this has been like a year ago, though the wokeness in Target stores where in the baby section was strange clothes for. For what? Different boys, girls. To me, that was woke and targeted.

[A]

Wait, what are you talking about? I'm not. I'm not falling.

[B]

I forget what the clothes was. I went in there and looked one day. It was very bizarre. It was like he, she, it, type. It was different. It was wokeness to me. Okay, and the dei, that to me is wokeness. Yeah, I mean, some of the stuff you said about, you know, wokeness is hiring only people by certain race or color and not by their credentials. I guess maybe that's wokeness to me. Okay, maybe I'm off base.

[A]

But when you hear the word woke, what does that, just the word, take away? Any political affiliations, any sociological associations that you may have. What does the word woke mean to you?

[B]

Like way one side and not the other. Like,

[A]

woke is like a version of being awake, awakened, meaning that your eyes are open symbolically to some situation that's occurring. In this case, systemic discrimination, basically.

[B]

But like another wokeness thing would be that commercial, the Budweise. The Bud. Was it the Budweiser commercial where it was the transgendered person that was drinking all the Budweiser? Am I off base on this?

[A]

Wait a minute. That was what I think you're talking about? Yeah. What was her name? Dylan Mulvaney. I think.

[B]

Yes. And then it really tanked that company because a lot of people didn't like that. Like, to me, that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Showed wokeness. Right.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. And so that was also. Dylan Mulvaney is a trans woman that they put on the COVID or on a can of Bud Light. Like put it on, on an image of Dylan Mulvaney on the can. And then that is when it prompted like Kid Rock was like shooting cases of Bud Light with machine guns.

[B]

And yes, okay, but that is. That in my brain was kind of wokeness.

[A]

Right. That's what I'm saying. That's kind of what the term has been co opted by the right to be a derogatory term for anything that promotes basically non straight white America.

[B]

Okay, that was a good question.

[A]

That's how I see it. Yeah. I was curious what you thought it was too. I mean, again, I don't know if I'm right in any of this. Those are my connotations. That's how I kind of view the word. But it's interesting that you view it only in the negative.

[B]

That's how I. That's how I perceive it. I'm sorry.

[A]

There you go. Thank you very much for the question. Again, if anybody else out there has a question for us, record it in a one minute or shorter video format. Send it to the necessary conversation pod gmail.com. be sure to put that in the subject line question somewhere, that word. Are you ready to begin our topics? Mom.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Topic number one, UFC at the White House. This week, crews begin construction on a UFC cage on the south Lawn of the White House that will host a UFC Fight on June 14. The event, called UFC Freedom 250, will be a celebration of the 250th anniversary of the United States, but will also serve as a personal birthday party for Donald Trump. The event is projected to cost over $60 million to produce with TKO president TKO is the company that owns UFC with TKO president Mark Shapiro stating it will not turn a profit. On top of that, it's estimated that several millions of dollars of taxpayer money will be spent on security for the event, creating, critics argue the staging of the cage match on White House grounds defaces a space historically reserved for peaceful cultural and diplomatic events. And Democratic lawmakers have raised concerns about taxpayer costs tied to security operations around the event. UFC fighter Brandon Royvall compared it to a dystopian hunger game spectacle. And even Joe Rogan voiced concerns about the logistics of holding the event at such a sensitive location. My first question to you mom is. How do you feel about Trump turning the White House into a UFC arena?

[B]

I think it's a little odd. I think it's a little bizarre, but is this for his birthday or for the 250th freedom thing?

[A]

Are they different? Like, he seems to be merging it

[B]

all into one thing if it is for his birthday. There have been other presidents that have done things on the lawn in regard for their birthday. Like, I did. Look this up. I think Obama had his 50th there with music and different things. Ronald Reagan did stuff. Jimmy Carter did a big.

[A]

Did they have a $60 million UFC?

[B]

No, they did not.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Richard Nixon did. But the part for the security does have to be paid by taxpayers. So part of that, no matter who you are, whatever president you are, that does this big celebration, the taxpayers are going to be paid, have to pay for security. Yeah, I do, I do think it's odd. It's a very odd deal. Why the fight there? Joe Rogan even said why outside in the heat? It needs to be somewhere inside where it is under air conditioning. Yeah. To me, that's a little out there. Yeah, a little bizarre, I agree.

[A]

Have you seen the picture of it of the cage being erected? Let me see if I can find this for you real quick, because it's insane looking.

[B]

Yeah, I, I. What taxpayers actually will cover and have to, for every president is the Secret Service protection detail. It's mandatory for all the full White House staff. That would have to do food and all of that. Fixed government salaries because of that. But anyway. Yeah, like when Obama did his picnic, I'm sure he paid for all of his picnic fees. But yet the security. Yeah, but yet the security has to be paid. Yeah, I think it's, it's, it's a, it's a waste of money. It's bizarre. If he wants to do that, do it outside the White House somewhere else.

[A]

But this is. His whole thing is like, he doesn't. And I've, I've tried to get you to see this time and time again. Trump doesn't care about anyone but himself. And that's what this is. This is him getting Dana White, who is his buddy, obviously the guy who is the president of ufc, getting him to come there and put on a big fight just for him right in front of the White House. Here's what this looks like. By the way, I found this picture. Look at that.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

It's grotesque.

[B]

And they'll leave it up for what, two days, fight people and then take it back down yeah.

[A]

And right to the. In this picture, to the right of that, what would be the east wing of the White House is just rubble. That's where they're building the. The ballroom, his bunker. So the White House now is just that building right there in the back. It is obscured on one side by a giant pit that they are digging, and it is obscured in the front by this bizarre monstrosity that they are putting up.

[B]

Now, I did see this. I haven't been on line a lot, but Instagram, I did see this and I kind of giggled, which I maybe shouldn't have. It said, Democrats are mad at Trump for holding his MMA match on the hallowed ground of the White House, where Biden hosted a topless trans party. Do you remember that? At the White House? Yeah, there was a.

[A]

That. I don't remember.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Someone that was a trans person flashed at the White House. Yes. So, I mean, I just.

[A]

A $60 million taxpayer funded.

[B]

Yeah, that doesn't do with that. But it did show that. I read that on Instagram. I thought that was kind of bizarre, too.

[A]

Do you remember?

[B]

I don't like it. That's ridiculous. He's wasting money. He needs to focus in on other things for our country. There you go.

[A]

So another strike against him in your mind. Big X here.

[B]

Yes, yes.

[A]

I mean, the tide is turning, Mom. Speaking of wokeness, you're about to be woke. You're about to be awakened. It's starting to happen. The eyes are opening. I can see it.

[B]

When you said woke, I remember that other thing. Woke or broke? Because Budweiser went broke on woke.

[A]

No, they're still around, but they lost

[B]

a ton of money.

[A]

Do you remember when Obama built a basketball court on the White House grounds and you and dad were outraged by it.

[B]

Yeah, but some of that, I swear, was taxpayer money, too.

[A]

Sure. But it didn't. It wasn't this, and this is what I'm saying.

[B]

I'll take a basketball court over a MMA fight. Yes.

[A]

So you're siding with Obama over Trump here?

[B]

Well, this is going to have to be ripped down in two days. It's a waste of money. It's ridiculous.

[A]

No shit. What kind of message do you think this sends to the rest of the world? That Trump is turning the White House into a UFC arena?

[B]

I think people are not liking it for sure.

[A]

Right. But this is like, what I'm getting at with that question is Trump for. I mean, really since he. He became president the first time, but certainly the second time is much worse. The idea of what America is to the rest of the world is a joke. And this is just more heaped on top of that that now we're a UFC match. That's what the, the Capitol building like our, our, the heart of our governmental system is now turned into a pay per view UFC match.

[B]

Yeah, I would like to know where is his. Where's this coming from?

[A]

Yeah, it's money. That's all it is.

[B]

What does this have to do with 250 years of the United States or even his birthday? Is he doing it. Is he doing it for his birthday? I don't understand where the divide comes here.

[A]

He's doing it because he views himself as a Roman emperor. And this is a like Roman Coliseum, gladiator style sport. Kill for my pleasure. That's the symbolic reference that all fighting basically is. Even I would say football, any kind of like violent sport is basically a throwback to that. Roman gladiators killing each other at the pleasure of the emperor. Trump views himself like that, and so he's literally now doing it. He's setting up in his mind a Roman Coliseum right there on the. The front yard of the White House.

[B]

Yeah, I don't like it. I told you that. Yeah.

[A]

What do you got?

[B]

Don't like you.

[A]

You got to take that call. What's going on?

[B]

No, I'm done. I'll turn my phone off that it was important about your dad, but now that's very good news. I just got some good news and there my phone is off.

[A]

All right, well, you got some good news. Let's go to some bad news. Topic number two. We got ice problems in New Jersey. Protests erupted this week in New Jersey at Delaney Hall, a private ice detention center in Newark operated by the Geo Group, one of the largest private for profit prison corporations in the United states that made $2.6 billion in revenue last year by incarcerating human beings. Tensions escalated over Memorial Day weekend as hundreds of detainees went on a hunger and labor strike to protest spoiled food and unsafe living conditions in the facility. Attorneys described the conditions as brutal. People sleeping on the floor in overcrowded rooms, cold showers, no food, and extremely cold cells with no blankets. Democratic Rep. Jerry Nadler reported that food, quote, very often contains maggots and that the only medication available was Tylenol. One woman with a lump in her breast had been waiting over a month for a mammogram. On Monday, Senator Andy Kim was pepper sprayed as he and New Jersey Governor Mikey Sherrill led a peaceful protest outside the facility. On Wednesday, ICE agents attacked protesters outside the facility throwing both protesters and media to the ground. And as of now today, we're recording this Sunday, May 31st at 10:24am on Pacific Time. I believe I read a story saying there is now a curfew in place in New Jersey as a result of all of this in this town. So my first question is mom, do you think undocumented immigrants should be given food without maggots in these concentration camps?

[B]

Yes. Yes.

[A]

Disagreeing with Trump again.

[B]

What I don't understand is why has ICE been so quiet in the news? I haven't heard anything about ICE lately.

[A]

Because they backed off. Remember they got rid of Bovino, they got rid of Kristi Gnome, they put. What is that guy's name? Mike Homan took over for Kristi Noem. And he understands how to do this a little bit quieter. They're still deporting a bunch of people all the time, but they're not doing it with as much violence. ICE hasn't killed anybody. For for example, no US citizens have been shot in the head in cold blood in the streets of America in some months.

[B]

The detention centers or this prison. What they're talking about are these. I really don't understand the people that are in there. Are they getting a chance then to be taken to get their papers in line and to be able to stay here or make their papers permanent or are they just going to send them back?

[A]

I back. They're going to send them wherever the they want. Do you don't remember? They were sending people to a mega prison called SEOT in El Salvador when all this went down. Whether you were from there or not, they didn't give a you were going there. That was the whole Kilmar, Brigo, Garcia thing. They don't care. They are doing this for a woman

[B]

not to have medical care. Yeah, that's right.

[A]

They don't care about that. So when I what I read to you up top, I'm going to explain to you how these places work. Okay? This place is run by the GEO Group. They made $2.6 billion in revenue last year. Do you know how they make that money?

[B]

On private prisons, government contracts.

[A]

The government pays them money based on how many people are in the facility. So the more people they have, the more money they make. They don't care if those people get food. They don't care if there's 10 people to a fucking bed. Pack them in. Government gives us more money.

[B]

Why wouldn't they want more in, more out? If it's all about the money, you

[A]

Know it's based on how many people are staying in your facility. And guess who owns stock in Geo Group and all of these other companies that do this.

[B]

I already know what to say. I bet.

[A]

Take a guess. Donald Trump. So it behooves him, he buys stock in the company, then he says ICE agents round them all up. He put out a quota. 3,000 ICE arrests have to be made per week. I don't know if that quote is still in effect, but that's what it was in the early days of this. So that means 3,000 bodies are going into these for profit concentration camps. Price goes up, taxpayer money gets sent to Geo Group. The stock of Geo Group goes up, Trump makes money. That's the whole game here.

[B]

I do know this. I know this because I know these people personally.

[A]

You know, geography.

[B]

No, I'm talking about a different situation here.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I do know of a friend that was turned in by someone here close by. So he got turned in as not being an American citizen. So they went to his house and nabbed him. The person that turned him in makes money, which was a US citizen. So the person that got nabbed then went to Dallas for one night in a detention center, and then from there back to Mexico, and then he can never come back. So he was not held in a prison, like what these people were held. So that's the part I don't understand. Why was my friend taken just to Dallas for one night and then to Mexico? These people are being held up there forever, it seems like.

[A]

Yep. I think.

[B]

And I do know.

[A]

I don't. Sorry, go ahead.

[B]

Another one of my friends, we talked about it the other day and he said they're still here. You just have to be careful where you drive, what you do. But they are still here. Yeah, we just had a glitch.

[A]

I don't know the answer to why. Yeah. Are you good? You can hear me?

[B]

I'm good now. Yeah. Can you hear me?

[A]

I don't know why? Yes, I can. Can you hear me?

[B]

Yes, I can hear you.

[A]

Okay. I don't know why some places send them to places like this specific facility, and some places just send them to one place in Dallas for a day or whatever. I don't know. My guess is because of the money. My guess is that the places that have really bad conditions, where they're just packing them in and keeping them as long as they can, are the places that are, like, making the most money for Trump and all of his allies. That's the only thing that makes sense to me. Let me ask you this. Why do you think a private prison that made $2.6 billion last year can't afford to feed the prisoners that they have imprisoned?

[B]

Yeah, they. Yeah, it's ridiculous. They should be able to feed them. You would think. Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It's very, very sad. I. We got to investigate this and do better.

[A]

It's been investigated. We all know what's happening. It's. It's right there. It's out in the open. There have been stories and reports written on all of this for the past however long it's been going on since Trump came.

[B]

Like I said, though, yeah, I do think it's bizarre. Like, for a long time lately, we haven't heard anything, and then all of a sudden, this one pops up. Will another one pop up? I don't know.

[A]

Yeah, I think probably this is just the state of things now. It's you. You're glitching out.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

All right, let's move on to our third topic, but I just want to, for reference here, explain to you two for two. You have disagreed with Trump on today's show.

[B]

You're picking good topics, I guess, huh? Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. How do you feel about that?

[B]

Yeah, I feel a little different.

[A]

What does that mean? A little different?

[B]

Yeah, my eyes are being opened a little bit here.

[A]

You're becoming woke.

[B]

Woke is broke. Okay, go ahead.

[A]

Number three. No one wants to play at Trump's little birthday party. Most of the musical artists scheduled to play at the Great American State Fair have pulled out. The fair is a Freedom 250 event taking place on the National Mall in Washington, D.C. between June 25 and July 10, which is part of the broader America 250th birthday celebrations backed by the Trump administration. At least six artists have backed out Morris Day in the time, rapper Young MC Jody Rocco of Milli Vanilli, country singer Martina McBride, the Commodores, and former Poison frontman Brett Michaels have all decided not to play the event. What a lineup. Because they were misled about the event's political associ. Young MC called it a bait and switch, saying artists were never told about any political involvement. Brett Michaels said what was presented to us as a celebration of our country has evolved into something much more divisive than what I agree to be a part of, and noted that he and his crew received threats due to his potential participation. Martina McBride said she initially believed the event was nonpartisan, but was told Wednesday that was not the case, adding that it greatly upsets her fans that may feel she's abandoning the meaning behind her songs. As of Friday, only rappers Flo Rida and Vanilla Ice were still slated to appear. Following the mass exodus, Trump himself said that he might step out front and personally kick off the fair. Himself. Mom, why do you think. Don't. Don't play copywritten music. I'll have to take it out.

[B]

Ice, ice, baby, yeah.

[A]

Why do you think most of these musical artists are canceling on Trump?

[B]

Okay. I. I believe that when they were invited to come, it was for the United States. The patriotic, you know, 250 birthday of our United States. But now for some reason, we're making this all political.

[A]

When you say we, who the hell are you talking about? It's Trump making it political.

[B]

Well, someone's making it political. Instead of an invite to come do something great for our country that's celebrating 250 years, someone's making it political. And it shouldn't be.

[A]

But who do you think is making it political?

[B]

Whoever is putting this on, it's Trump. Well, it's the people, too, that had invited them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

To come and sing. Now it is their right to say no, that's perfectly fine. But I. Why are they making up. Why are these people that come to sing making it political? I don't understand.

[A]

They're not. You're. You don't understand it. You're correct. They were invited to come play, basically, like a state fair, which plenty of musical artists do all the time. I remember at the California State Fair some years ago, I saw Blondie, which I thought, holy shit, I will never have an opportunity to see Debbie Harry sing. There she is. Amazing, right? Completely apolitical. It's just a big state fair. You go and you eat your corn on the cob and ride the Ferris wheel and see the musical accent. That's it. Trump is turning this into this weird hyper maga political thing that the 250th celebration or 250th anniversary of the United States of America is. He's turning it into a massive MAGA Republican thing. The UFC is a part of it.

[B]

Well, this should be. And I'm going to read something. It's one of my friends and your friends. I'm not going to say their name. I'm sure they don't care that I'm going to read this. I saw this on Facebook. This person said, I love our country. The country is so much bigger than a political party. I don't understand the cancel culture that we live in. If you get invited to the White House, you go. I would go no matter who the president is, no matter if they're Democratic or Republican, I would gladly introduce a president. I would sing. I would pray with them if they invited me. I respect the office, no matter who it is. Country over party, patriotism should cross over party lines for all of us. So this individual is saying, which is what I believe, too. This is for our America. It's. It shouldn't be political.

[A]

And yet it is, because it's Trump. Like, I get the sentiment of that statement, of course, but we are living in a time where it's not party lines anymore.

[B]

Right?

[A]

The Republican Party is no longer just another political party. It's no longer just the conservative political party party. It's. All of them are either engaging in blind, open corruption, stealing billions of dollars from American taxpayers, or they are helping facilitate those that are doing that. They are covering up the Epstein files, a giant criminal ring of child sexual assault. They are again, stealing money. He's suing the fucking IRS and then settling with himself for $1.8 billion. He's. We talked about this last week. He's insider trading Left and right. 3,600 trades in the last, like, three months. Hundreds of millions of dollars. He is robbing the country blind. He is making it less safe to live here. He's killing all the animals. He's. He's gotten rid of huge chunks of the EPA so all of these big data firms can set up their data farms and poison the water. All of that is happening. So to say that I. No matter who the president is, I'll show up and, like, gladly shake their hand or whatever, introduce them. Well, this ain't like that. This isn't even, like, on a George Bush junior level. Trump is the worst president we've ever had, bar none. The most corrupt president we've ever had, bar none. And he has put people in place in the Republican Party that are just like him or they help him do what he wants to do. Nobody else exists now. So it's not just like, regardless of party. We're looking at the Nazi party basically running America right now.

[B]

That's your opinion.

[A]

Okay, what was dad yelling? I heard him in the background screaming.

[B]

Something yelled at me. Something where. I'm not addressing that. Some. Oh, my God. Okay, What I read was some of those artists said that they were not told about political connections when they first initially had said, yes, I'll come. Of course, when they agreed to participate, and then after that, they didn't want to be endorsed politically anyway, so that's why they're Bowing out. And that is okay. That's okay.

[A]

I mean, if I was them, I. I get what you're saying about, like, oh, it should be an honor to introduce the president, or participate in whatever he wants you to participate in. There is a. I respect them pulling out, for sure. There is a second thing they could do, though, which is show up and make their entire set basically fuck Trump. That would be interesting as well.

[B]

That would be mean. Do you remember when Carrie Underwood sang at some big event for him and then people got down on her just because she sang?

[A]

Yeah. What was that?

[B]

I forget what the. Where she was at. It was a big deal, and it was at the White House, and her music didn't go quite right, but she continued, and then people got on her. Terrible for that, of course.

[A]

But, like. Like I'm saying, like, you have. Even you, I would assume, must acknowledge Trump and what he's done to American politics is not like usual, it's not regular. For example, you and dad have all the hats and the colognes and the sneakers and all the. You've. You've never bought any of that for any other political candidate. He has turned it into a. A strange cult like thing in service of him grifting, in service of him being able to institute corruption at every level of the government. And that is not something that you just show up and you're like, well, I'm a Democrat, this is a Republican. But whatever, it's just political parties. This is something way different. He's trying to destroy America foundationally.

[B]

Ice, Ice, Baby will be there. I liked him. I've always liked him.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. Do you think it seems. My final question on this is, do you think it seems pathetic at all that Trump can't get a musical artist to perform at his birthday party?

[B]

It's not pathetic. It's. It's their decision. He'll have somebody there. Somebody will be there.

[A]

Kid Rock.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's the only person who will do his thing.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

You getting some text there?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You need to take it. What's going on?

[B]

Oh,

[A]

what's going on here?

[B]

Dad is yelling at me, telling me, get off the podcast. I'm like, what?

[A]

Look, turn your phone off him. He's fine. There's somebody in the living room with him, isn't there? He's fine.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Please don't. If you can. Please don't let the phone interrupt this. That's all I'm asking. Let's have this conversation. All right?

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Speaking of dad, our. Simmer down. Even though, without dad Here. It's not really a simmer down. It's just kind of an aside. You guys had your 51st anniversary this week.

[B]

Yesterday.

[A]

So we made you. We made it to 51. Do you have any relationship advice for people out there listening who may be starting a relationship or somewhere on their way to a 51st anniversary?

[B]

I jotted down a few things because I did see it was a simmer down.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Marriage, there's no book to tell you what to do. You jump into it. You love someone, you get married. It is a commitment. It's a big commitment. Not to take lightly. And I do remember the priest that married us did say that. You are both taking a huge step today. It's a commitment. Do not take it lightly. Always put ourselves first. We've always put our marriage first, each one of us, and worked on, you know, problems, things that occur. I. People have always said, never go to bed angry. Oh, well, that doesn't work. We've always gone to bed angry at stuff.

[A]

But what.

[B]

Yeah. I.

[A]

You're like, I do the opposite. I go to bed angry every night.

[B]

We do. Sometimes we have before.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then you work on it the next day when the time is right. You don't bombard each other if you've had an argument the day before. At least that's how we dealt. We have dealt with it. We made this choice and commitment very early in our lives. I was 15, he was 17 when we first met. Then when we got married, we were, what, 21, 19? 20. Something like that. So our commitment to each other was very, very early in our lives. I don't think there was a time when I ever wanted to walk out and say, I'm over, because I believe in commitment. Our family is loyal. We've always been loyal. When you make a commitment, you stick to it. And if we ever had issues, me and Dad, I always. We kept it amongst ourselves or a doctor or someone like a therapist that could talk to us. I. I never. All of our problems, any of our

[A]

problems that we had, you guys went to a therapist.

[B]

Well, I have a friend that's a therapist. That helps.

[A]

Okay, so then, no, you've never been to an actual third. I thought you meant you and dad went to, like, a relationship therapist or something.

[B]

No. No.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But like, I'm trying to say, don't go out way outside the circle of just you to keep it between you two. All right? And I think if I would have had to do it again, I would have had more fun early on with him. Like, he was such a hard worker and he provide. He has always provided for our family 100%. I wished I would have made him take the trips, go on the fun things with us, you know, do the fun things early on when you can.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's why when Haley gallivant, I'm happy she does, because, yeah, I am.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Because now with dad's health, there's things we never got to do or I never got to do that I wanted to do.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It is a journey. There's ups, there's downs, there's goods, there's bad. You take them all. You try to navigate that journey. Your love does grow in different ways, but you always come back to love. Love is the only thing that matters. At least that's what him and I did for 50 years. Like the cars, the jewelries, the houses. That's all bullshit. What matters is the person you're standing in the room with during the day. And at the end, I'm with him till the end. He's with me till the end. We'll see how this goes. Right now it's kind of rocky. It's real rocky. Believe me, I'm trying to navigate the best I can right now. It's hard.

[A]

No, you're doing a great job. And me and Haley are here for you as much as we can be as well.

[B]

In the end, you know, I know I was loved by him and he was loved by me, and that's all that matters.

[A]

Yeah. All right. Well, there you have it. Some good advice for somebody who's been married for 51 years now. It's wild to me. Moving on. Speaking of something wild, our fourth topic today, Pam Bondi still protecting the pedophiles. After Pam Bondi's illegal mishandling of the Epstein file, she was subpoenaed by the House Oversight Committee in March. On April 14, Bondi refused to appear for that deposition. Trump's DOJ argued she was no longer bound by the subpoena because she had been fired as Attorney General. Democrats then filed a resolution to hold Bondi and civil contempt of Congress, which would instruct the House to go to court to compel her testimony. Under that pressure, Republicans on the committee announced Bondi would give the testimony on May 29. She did testify this week, however, she was not sworn in under oath and the session was not videotaped. So nothing she said in the hearing is admissible in any way. During the closed door interview, Pambani blamed the botched Epstein file release on Todd Blanche. Democrats subsequently said they will subpoena Blanche and now also FBI Director Cash Patel. Mom, why do you think the Republicans didn't swear her in or videotape the testimony?

[B]

Yeah, I don't know. It doesn't make sense.

[A]

Because Trump told them not to.

[B]

Yeah, I'm very. It's terrible how this is coming out. It's terrible. Nothing's being done right now. You just glitched. Nothing's being done right now with it. And it's very bad.

[A]

It's.

[B]

Can you hear me?

[A]

Yes, I agree. Yes, I can hear you. Yeah, you're glitching.

[B]

Yeah, we're kind of. You glitch. I glitch. We're all glitching today.

[A]

And that's the point where my mom's Internet completely crashed and we were not able to get her back online in any capacity after a. A few minutes of trying to say the least. But thank you for joining us. And I want to say thanks to my mom as well. I love you, Mom. I know we didn't get to say it because your Internet crashed out, so hopefully you'll watch this and hear me say it. I do appreciate you coming on the show and doing this, and I think we are getting very close to having you become fully woke. Thanks, everybody, for joining us. And I will be here tonight at 6pm PST on our YouTube channel, Doing Alive, answering any questions you may have. If you want to join me for that. Thanks, everybody, for joining us.