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In the Aftermath of the 2024 election, America is even more divided than before. Half the country fears the end of democracy, and the other half welcomes it as America inches toward the brink of authoritarian rule. Now more than ever, we must force ourselves to have the necessary conversation. Welcome to the Necessary Conversation. I'm Chad Kolchen. With me today is my fellow lefty lib, Sis, Haley. Hi.
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Hi.
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And my mom, maga. You Maga?
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Still Maga. Maga, Mom.
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Okay, so now you are Maga. We are going to be discussing some big political issues of the day. We've got Trump. He's on special drugs to stay alive. We've got his stupid war. We've got his stupid party that nobody came to. We've got his stupid passport. We've got some Supreme Court decisions that are destroying things. And we've got Jesus Christ back in public schools, especially in your home state of Texas, Haley. We're going to be getting to all of that. Mom, do you have ditties?
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I have a. I don't know if it's a Diddy. It's a. My ditties are changing into different things. It's a little quiz. Just one little question.
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Wait. Before you start your quiz, can I. Diddy?
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Yes.
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Did you guys know that today is Pride?
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Well, June is Pride Month, right?
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Right. But it corresponds with actual, like, Pride correlates to June 28, 1969, when Stonewall occurred.
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Yeah.
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So that's today.
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All right. Happy Pride Day to everybody.
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I didn't know that.
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Okay, thank you for your information.
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You're welcome. You will never learn that in public schools because it's about the gays, Especially not in Texas.
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All right, Mom, Diddy, the travel this next weekend over the Fourth of July. Travel all the people. 72 million. I just heard this on TV. Okay, so 72 million people will be traveling to different places, but mainly this was on the states in the United States. Can you name the top three states that a lot of these 72 million people will be traveling to?
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New York, New York, California, Texas, Texas. Just by surface area, I would guess
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those are the three I guessed. I guess Texas, California and Florida. But the three are going to blow your mind. This is so bizarre. It is. Alaska, Maine and Montana.
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Huh?
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Would not have guessed those on there. Okay.
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Trying to escape the heat. The blazing fucking heat.
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I just heard that on tv. Interesting. Okay, that was it.
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All right, ditty's complete. Let's move on to our listener question. If you would like to submit a question to our show for any of Us. For all of us. You record it simply in a one minute or shorter video format, email it to the necessary conversation pod Gmail.com with a subject line that says question. Those are the only emails. What?
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Q4. Um, what? Oh, like, I got a question Q for you.
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Okay.
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I don't know what she's talking about.
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I don't really either. Let's move on to this question. This is our question from a listener this week. Are you ready?
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On cue. But it's Casey's.
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No.
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I don't know what's going on today. Here's the question.
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Hello.
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This question is coming from a very avid listener in Denver, Colorado. Two parts. One, for Chad and Haley, how did you originally approach bringing these necessary conversations up to your parents? My parents are both very maga and I'm interested in starting a conversation like this with them. And then for Mary Lou, how did you respond to that initial bring up of wanting to have these conversations? And if it was a negative reaction, what did Chad and Haley say to you to kind of bring you back in and convince you to have these conversations? Thank you so much for doing this pod, you guys. This has been a really helpful and amazing experience to listen to. You guys are doing great work.
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There you go.
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Very nice question. I guess I'll start. I was the one who started this whole thing, and I just got to a point where we didn't really talk to our parents. They were getting older and I wasn't gonna let it go out like that. So I was just like, hey, the only thing they'll talk to us about really is politics. So I hit my mom up first. And if you want to, you can go back and listen to these episodes. They're all still out there. They are. The first maybe like 75 episodes we ever did of this show are audio only, so there's nothing on YouTube, but you can find them in Spotify itunes where listen to podcasts. The first three episodes are solo episodes with me and my mom. Then the next one, I think was me and you, Haley. And then the next one was me and dad, or maybe it was those. That order might be a little rearranged. But the first three episodes were basically just like a kind of trial run to see if we could even do this, if people wanted to do it, if we wanted to keep coming back week after week. But the first episode was just you and me, mom, talking basically about your how you grew up, where you grew up, what your political leanings and affiliations were throughout your life, and what brought you to the point of being maga. And I think that, for me, that was just experimental. Like, I said to see if we even could talk for an hour about this in some kind of a civil way, and then to obviously go on and see if you wanted to keep doing it or not. So it was like the context of doing a podcast, I think made it easier because we had this kind of other piece of it. It wasn't just us sitting down and talking about politics. It was also us recording it and putting it out on the Internet. And so that had like, an extra component of it that I think maybe made you a little more willing to do it. But I don't want to speak for you. Mom, what was your take?
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I got the phone call. I was standing in the kitchen. You said, what do you think about this? Would you be able to do this, you and Dad? I said, I don't know. I said, I don't know. I said, if you give me topics ahead of time, maybe, and I can research a little bit. I said, I think it would be kind of hard because you guys are on one side, I'm on the other. But I said, sure, I'll give it a go. And we are very loyal people in our family. So here we are four years later, and, I mean, there was a time when it first started, we had a hundred people that listened to us. It was, you know, great. I'd go out on walks in the morning in Oklahoma when it was cold and say, we can't podcast today. Sorry, guys. Chad Haler, too busy. And then from there, Chad took over social media, and it went crazy. But, but.
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But in terms, the question is about how do you have these conversations with us? Not really about the podcast history, but about, like, why do you keep coming back? Or was there ever a time when it got, like, too heated and you were like, fuck this, I'm not doing this anymore?
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Oh, yeah. There were a couple times when I wanted to quit completely. You know that it's on some of these, like, I ain't coming back. This ridiculous.
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Yeah.
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You were like, what are you talking about? And then it was like I had an athletic event. My heart was racing when we. When we disagreed, and it was terrible, and I didn't want to do it anymore.
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And then you would. And then you would not talk to
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us for a week during the podcast.
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Yeah, there have definitely been instances where, like, we said some. You got pissed, and then I didn't hear from you, and I'd have to, like, all of branch it out.
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Maybe there Was a couple times, but not a lot. Yeah, maybe there's a couple times. Then we always, we always come back,
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you make the commitment and you show up.
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That's right. We're loyal.
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All right. That's the answer to your question, I guess. Thank you very much for submitting it. And again, if anybody else out there wants to send me one record, a one minute or shorter video, send it to the necessary conversation pod@gmail.com with the subject line that says question. Let's move on to our first topic. Trump is taking a special drug to stay alive. This week, news broke that Eli Lilly and the FDA allowed one person to use an unapproved drug called. I don't know how to pronounce this, but I'm going to do my best. Called retatratide through the FDA's compassionate use program. This is a pathway reserved for patients with serious, immediately life threatening conditions. The recipient, all we know is it's a 79 year old man. At the time of the request in April, Trump was 79. The drug is an experimental obesity drug still in clinical trials. Trump, again, like I just said, was 79 in April and has previously said he, quote, probably should take a weight loss treatment. Retatratude, if I'm saying this right, isn't just a weight loss drug, though it targets several conditions that can be life threatening, particularly in older patients. Medical experts explain that the mystery patients three diagnoses are obesity, sleep apnea and pulmonary hypertension. And all these are likely interrelated. So the drug, it goes well beyond just addressing weight loss. It could potentially ease the strain on the heart and the lungs caused by this interconnected web of obesity, sleep apnea and hypertension conditions that can be fatal. So, mom, do you think Donald Trump is being given this experimental drug to stay alive?
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I don't know, but probably not. When I read the topic, your topic, I was like, okay, some man has been allowed in this case study. It didn't even click to me that it could be Donald Trump.
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Not some man. One person.
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Yeah, one person.
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Right. This is a drug that is still in clinical trials. And the FDA is like, okay, yeah, we'll make this one exception. You think that's just a random guy maybe?
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No, it's someone of importance. There are trials probably with lots of money.
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There are trials all the time where people apply and get into these. But I swear, when I read that's
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not, that's a trial with like multiple people across multiple states, maybe countries, like, that's a clinical trial. This isn't a clinical trial. They're just like, all right, he wants it, we'll give it to him.
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I swear, when I read the topic, it did not click in my brain that it was Donald Trump. It did not.
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What other 79 year old man would they give it to?
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Anybody.
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And all of these images of him that have been showing up with bruised hands, he's going to the doctors all the time. He's got a team of 22 doctors just to do a regular checkup. Like they're, they're clearly lying about his declining health. And this now, this reporting is coming out and it's like he's on an experimental drug now to stay alive. That is what's happening.
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That drug. I researched that drug once. You talked about it. Because I didn't, I wasn't even putting it together. That was Trump. It has three different receptors in it, like the GLP one. Then it has a gip something and something else that's all injectable. So that would have nothing to do with bruises on the hand, would it?
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Yeah, they're putting an I.V.
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well, like they're testing him across like all the time. He's got all these doctors and he's having blood tests, like blood drawn constantly. And you know what happens to older patients that like get jabbed all the time. You start to bruise and all that happens. So they're putting makeup on him and there's various photos, like they're pricking his fingertips. You see all the makeup, like on the tops of his hands, like they are hiding from us.
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I did think in the beginning it was some type of like a B vitamin or some kind of vitamin infusion that they were giving him. But I never thought this. Why won't this just come out in the open then and say it is
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because they are hiding it. They're lying to us about everything.
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Again, I think it's funny, I read that topic, I thought, okay, Trump has some new drugs out for all of us. That's what I was thinking.
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No, it's. Trump is taking this experimental drug that is not yet FDA approved because I think it's just my own 2 cents here. He's about to die and they're trying everything they can to keep this corpse walking around.
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And also JD Vance is making like, more and more appearances, you know, on tv.
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He was on Bill Maher.
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Yeah. What the. He's everywhere. J.D. vance on, like every talk show, there's a.
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They are getting him ready. They're getting him ready to take over. I, I don't Know what? How dire the situation is, but when you have the FDA saying, yeah, we'll let you take this experimental drug that has not finished clinical trials, it ain't good.
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No, he's in bad shape.
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I did ne. I never saw any of that information anywhere from anyone. So this is the first time that you've even told me.
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It's in this document that I sent you. What do you mean?
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I know from your topic, but where did you pull that from?
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This has been news this whole week.
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Well, guess what? You guys told me to stay off the news, so there you go.
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Okay, well, good. Then you're getting your news from me. That's a. It's a better source than Newsmax. I'm not perfect, but it's a better source than Newsmax. I'll fucking guarantee that. So, I mean, you asked kind of this question, mom, but I think it's an interesting one to hit again. Why do you think the White House is lying to us about Trump taking an experimental drug?
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They don't want us to know, apparently.
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Correct. Every time he goes in for a physical or any doctor's thing, they come out and they're like, donald Trump just went in for another routine physical. The third this year. And he's fine. Perfect health. That's what they always say.
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Cognitive tests.
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Yeah.
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Acing everything. Despite his appearance and falling asleep every time we see him.
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Is that one of the symptoms of this drug? Sleepiness?
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Heart failure?
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I don't know.
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Okay, well, just take this into account. Trump is on an experimental drug here to stay alive, and he's lying to the United States about it.
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But that's your opinion. We'll see.
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It's my opinion. Yes. There. There is no. At this point, we don't have video of him taking the drug, but.
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Right.
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That one 79 year old man requested this, was immediately granted access to it. He's going to all these doctor's appointments. His hands look like he clear. I mean, I think we can all tell he's obese. Yes.
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Yeah.
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I don't know about sleep apnea and hypertension if he's been formally diagnosed with those things, but have to imagine that lifetime of McDonald's isn't helping.
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Yeah. So my takeaway is that Donald Trump is dying. J.D. vance is being prepped for becoming the new president. And I thought, like, I just hate J.D. vance. Every time he's on TV, he's just so smarmy and like, he thinks it's all a joke.
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He's gross.
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You know, he was joking about watergate and he's like, that would be nothing today. So it's like, open admission that you're corrupt as. But also, it's just like, he's just so disgusting. I cannot stand him.
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What do you think of J.D. vance? Mom,
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if Donald Trump would have to leave us, he would be fine to run our country.
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You know he hates Donald Trump.
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He did in the beginning. Not now.
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Still does Rubio. Like, there's sound bites. There's video of them literally just all over Donald Trump. Now they're sucking his dick because they want to be in the office.
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Oh, my gosh.
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All right.
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I think he would be fine.
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Let's move on to topic number two. Trump's war. As we head into the 18th week of Trump's disastrous war with Iran, new reporting has revealed that before Trump started the war on February 28, the Joint Chiefs of Staff warned him that striking Iran could prompt it to close the Strait of Hormuz. Trump ignored the warnings because he was sure that Iran would bend to his will. And he thought that if Iran did close the strait, the US Military could simply reopen it. Trump and the Iranian president signed a memorandum of understanding on June 17 to end the war. But this week, Iran launched drones at ships in the Strait of Hormuz, prompting the US to launch retaliatory strikes of their own. Meanwhile, the Senate voted this week to limit Trump's Iran war powers. Then, the very next day, they voted to block a second vote on it. But even if a second vote had passed, it would largely be meaningless. As Trump has already stated, he will ignore any Senate vote against what he wants to do.
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Mom.
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We learned that Trump's military advisors told him that starting this war would close the Strait of Hormuz. He ignored them. Do you think a good president ignores his advisors?
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No.
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He's a terrible president.
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Wait a minute. Are you saying Donald Trump is a bad president?
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Yes.
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He shouldn't ignore the people around him that are giving him the good advice.
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Okay, but he did. And you don't think a president should do that?
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No.
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So how does that make you feel about Donald Trump as our president?
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I don't know. Maybe he has information we don't have. I don't know.
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Well, no, he. He does have information we don't have. He's got a team full of military advisers saying, don't do this. We have information that leads us to believe this will be a disaster. And then he said, go yourself. I'm doing it.
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He needs to use those people.
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Yeah. No, it's okay to Say that he sucks. It's okay to say that.
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I'm. I'm upset about the war. This is ridiculous. I'm upset about the war. I'm upset about the pond. Who cares if it's green, red, white or blue? Get on with that. A waste of money.
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And now he's arresting people at that pond for just being there, for just like taking pictures of the pond.
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That's not right.
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And do you. Well, let's. I want to ask you one more question about this, then we can talk a little bit about. About the pond. That wasn't a topic today because we covered it last week, but there are a few developments that were kind of interesting. So I want to ask you this. You've said nuclear bombs used in Iran. Pardoning Ghislaine Maxwell or any. Anything credible in the Epstein files about Trump would be kind of your breaking point. You will no longer support Trump.
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Yes.
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Let me ask you just about the war. Will you support him indefinitely, no matter how long this war lasts, or is there a time limit for you that if it stretches past a certain point, you will denounce him?
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No, I won't denounce him if it goes on forever. Forever.
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So forever war, you're okay, right?
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Right.
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A 47 year old war, the way it was before. I just want it over. I want the people over there to be at peace. I want them to have a better life. I want our soldiers safe, and I want the war over.
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I understand, but I'm asking you this question. How long does the war have to go before you realize Donald Trump is not capable of ending?
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Will end. It will end. I just didn't think it was going to take this long, mom.
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They had June 17th, that is now 11 days ago as of this recording. Recording this Sunday, June 28th, they had this memorandum on the table, basically a list of talking points that said they had 60 days to talk about these things in this list and then formalize some kind of agreement to end the war.
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Right.
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We are not even. Like I said, 11 days past that, there have been multiple attacks on both sides. People are blowing up boats, he's blowing up drones.
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It's.
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He has no possible way of doing this. He's an idiot who reacts immediately to anything by launching more bombs. Netanyahu is an uncaged animal. Trump is like, you can't keep attacking Lebanon. That's fucking up my deal, dude. Okay? Attack, attack, attack. No one is stopping any of the shit they're doing on either side of this. It's going to continue For a long time.
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And you're. I don't think a long time. I don't think years. It's. It's going to go on.
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We're in week 18. It's already a long time.
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We will not be out of this war with Iran as long as Donald Trump is our president. I firmly believe that. I think there is no end. As long as he is our president, he doesn't give a fuck. He literally has the authority to pull out right now. Right now.
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I just want you to think about, like, is there a time limit beyond which you would say this is now a situation like dropping a nuclear weapon or pardoning Ghislaine Maxwell. If we go a year, how about 52 weeks? Would that I do believe.
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Yeah, it'll be over in a year. It will be okay.
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What if it's not?
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That might be one of my.
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Not might. Would it be or not?
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Maybe.
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Okay. Now let's go to the reflecting pool. You brought that up. So he is maintaining. Sorry, I just.
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I just want to add Cash. Patel still part of the cabinet? Pete Hespeth still has his job. Just want to point that out. I know you kept saying, we'll see what happens. Nothing happened.
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Everything I read said it was going to happen. So.
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And it didn't. And it didn't.
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We'll see.
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What you always say, we'll see. Time will tell. We're seeing. He's not getting rid of those guys.
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We can't do this in a day. It's been.
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He's been president for a year and a half.
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Hello.
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The will see strategy is like, it's. You have to just acknowledge what's happening right now, right before your very eyes. He did not fire those two pieces of. And he isn't going to. There is no we'll see. He did not do it.
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I think he will with Patel. I think he will.
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He doesn't give a about any moment. That drug thing. Like, we didn't talk about this, but this is another element of this. He has multiple times publicly talked about how he should be taking an obesity drug, how he doesn't think he's going to get into heaven when he dies. This man knows death is coming. He is very aware of it. And I don't think he gives a at this point about like, oh, who do I have to fire? Or whatever. He's trying to put his name on as many things as he can before he is dead. That is his only goal now.
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Yep.
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And we'll get to some of that later. But clearly like the Kennedy Center. He wants to make this art to Trump with a 3D thing of his fist pumping out of it and setting
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his entire family up, like for life? He's literally just setting it up so when he's dead, like his kids are gonna run, make money. Like that's what this is all about.
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Yeah, but that reflecting pool, he is still maintaining that it was vandals who have done this and not his ineptitude. Not the fact that he hired contractors who don't know how to do what they needed to do, not the fact that they dumped a bunch of peroxide in the pool to get rid of the allergy. And that very likely caused all the paint to peel up.
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Drove on it before they filled it up with water.
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Yeah, drove his car on it.
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Like what?
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Absolute stupidity. So I want to ask you about this reflecting pool thing. Do you think A, this is something that a president should care about at all, should be spending time on arresting people who are there, and B, do you think it is worth taxpayer money to be doing this?
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No, I think he wanted to beautify it. He wanted to make it look better. He wanted to make it look better for the 250th and big party. And now that he's 14 million in, it's pretty bad. It's really bad. He made a huge mistake.
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That's his whole presidency.
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Well, this has been a mistake.
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Well, speaking of his his party, let's move to topic number three. Nobody came to Trump's party. Trump kicked off the Great American State Fair on June 25 after several artists, musical artists, dropped out, converting what was meant to be a concert opening into a campaign style rally. Videos revealed dwindling crowds and a bunch of people walking away from the main stage while he was on it delivering his big speech. Trump then went on Truth Social and blatantly lied in an attempt to inflate the attendance numbers. Posting packed to the brim, at least 45,000 people. But estimates based on actual video footage from the event put the turnout at just above a thousand people. Mom. NBC News said about a thousand people showed up to this Trump's Great American State Fair. How many people do you think showed up?
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I would, I would think it was more than that, but not as many as the 45,000. Probably somewhere in the middle.
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Did I know some, the footage, I
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know some people here that are going, but they're not there yet. You know, it's a 16 day event thing. It's like got the rodeo, it had the flyover, it had him Speaking. It has the Ferris wheel. It's a 16 day event.
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Yeah.
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Didn't show up on the first day and are still coming.
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But the first day was the one that has his big speech at it.
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Yeah. It's like the kickoff.
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It's the most exciting day.
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It's like grand opening.
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Did you see. I don't know who to believe anymore. Whether It's a thousand or 45, 000. I don't know.
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Wasn't there a Confederate flag there as well?
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Yes. In the North Carolina booth they. They displayed a Confederate flag.
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Yeah.
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And the people who ran that booth claim they didn't know anything about it and somebody put it in the thing and blah blah, blah. Who knows? Mom. You're saying I don't know who to believe. Have Haley asked this? Have you seen the footage of these crowds?
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C
No, I didn't have time to look. Is it bad?
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B
It's abysmal.
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A
Yeah. Nobody's there. It's just giant stretches of empty space. No one is there.
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B
No one.
- [27:38]
C
Wow.
- [27:39]
B
So the was Kid Rock. Why don't we have Kid Rock?
- [27:43]
A
Even he knew. This is a loser. I ain't doing this.
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C
What about Vanilla Ice? Ice. Ice baby.
- [27:48]
A
The people that performed. If I'm remembering right, it was Vanilla Ice. It was one member of Milli Vanilli and it was Cash Patel's girlfriend.
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C
Wow.
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B
Wow.
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A
I believe that was it.
- [28:02]
C
It's got to be more. I'm googling who performed.
- [28:07]
A
I'm pretty sure it was them. That's what I remember reading. I could be off at Trump's.
- [28:14]
C
What's. What am I googling who's performing it?
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A
The Great American State Fair is what it's called.
- [28:20]
C
Okay.
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A
We'll wait for you to Google here. Anyway, going Haley.
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B
It seems as though Trump is losing his grip. Which is nice to see. Finally it's happening. People hate him. It's great. All of this was fantastic news for me to read.
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C
No.
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B
No turnout. Nobody gives a. Everybody's turning on Trump. I love to see it.
- [28:48]
C
There was no single stable final concert lineup because multiple artists backed down.
- [28:54]
B
Yeah.
- [28:55]
C
Vanilla Ice, one of the only consistent confirmed acts did show Milli Vanilli disputed participation. Bret Michaels announced them with Drew. Martina McBride withdrew. I think that maybe. Was it Ice baby.
- [29:15]
A
So mom, this was supposed to be Trump's big celebration. He talked it up. He's got the reflecting pool. All this shit. Only a thousand people showed up on this first day. Why do you think MAGA is not showing up for Trump now? Are they abandoning him?
- [29:33]
C
Wow. Have no Idea on that one.
- [29:36]
B
The answer is yes.
- [29:38]
C
My friends who are MAGA here are going.
- [29:41]
A
Okay.
- [29:42]
C
So they're just not there yet.
- [29:43]
A
Okay, I understand. But the video has come out. He's. He has to go out and lie. There was even a part of his speech where he was like, we've got a rally coming up, I hope you all can make it. Please show up. Like he was begging people to come to his next thing. The people that were out there, I think even he sees as he's dying, his, his power over this MAGA base is starting to wane. People are not showing up for him anymore. Do you think that is a bad sign for maga?
- [30:14]
C
Probably, yeah.
- [30:17]
B
Yeah. Just like you're questioning all of his. I think not all of them. You know, there's some die hards, like in the cult for life, but you know, I think a lot of them are starting to realize like this is some bad.
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A
Yeah. And it's not like, like at his rallies they, I mean reporting came out about this, I think last year that they pay actors to like fill the seats and stuff just to make sure there's like a full crowd. But you can't really do that at an event like this. That's just like a big outdoor kind of carnival. They're not going to pay people to like just come stand there and walk around.
- [30:51]
C
But there was a great number at the fight, at the UFC fight to see the ufc.
- [30:56]
A
Yeah, it was a UFC and it wasn't a great number. It was whatever could fill that little arena. It wasn't just like anybody can come, 45,000 people. It was like, yes, it was a sold out event. But like, you know, most UFCs are like that.
- [31:15]
B
Sixteen days to go, he's losing it and he's dying.
- [31:19]
A
Yes, I agree.
- [31:20]
B
I love, I love it, I love it. I wake up and I'm in a little bit less duress.
- [31:29]
A
Yeah, you can definitely see his power is, is starting to collapse. Everything he touches now turns to complete almost immediately. Whether it's the reflecting pool, this war in Iran, this great American state fair. You know, all of these things are like openly being mocked, joked, no one is showing up to them or they're just horrible disasters. You don't, I mean, even for you mom, isn't like the kind of weight of all of these things starting to take its toll on you?
- [32:04]
C
Not taking a toll on me, but I wish there was more pride in our country, more patriotism. Let's see what happens over fourth of July weekend. Let's see what happens but, mom, you're
- [32:16]
A
saying you wish there was more pride and patriotism in our country. Doesn't that start at the president? Like, if he's not able to make people proud to be American, that's on him.
- [32:25]
C
Yes.
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B
People are embarrassed to be American.
- [32:28]
C
That was day one. That was day one. Maybe they were all at the rodeo. We'll see.
- [32:33]
B
It's. It's an embarrassment. As. As someone who travels the world, I am apologetic for being American. Please do not associate with me with maga. I did not vote for that piece of. I find myself apologizing. There is no pride in what this country has become. I hope that we get back to that. The pride is in people protesting and using their voice like that's real American.
- [32:58]
C
No, I would never apologize for being an American. I wear my hat. I don't out now in public.
- [33:04]
B
I don't want to be. I don't want to be associated with this ever, certainly in any other country.
- [33:11]
C
I don't care if I get recognized. I'm wearing my hat. I'm going out in public. I'm wearing my red, white, and blue.
- [33:18]
A
Okay, let's do the simmer down. Okay, this question is for all of us. What is your favorite piece of visual art? Mom?
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C
Well, I like two different kinds. I like horses, you know, and I like butterflies. So with the horses. When your dad was working back in Amarillo, he had a lot of Remingtons in his office. The sculptures. I wish I could have had one, but they stayed in the office. Darn it. So I like Remington sculptures. I like western themed horses. Tim Cox is one of my favorite ones where the horses are really beautiful. Those two are my favorites, I guess. And butterflies. Anybody? Anybody that can do a butterfly? I love butterflies. There's no one real famous. I mean, I just love butterflies.
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A
Haley,
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B
this is really hard because there's things I've seen and there's things I want to see. It's hard to. Because I. There's architecture that I like, there's paintings I like. So it's difficult to pinpoint the one piece of art that I like the most.
- [34:40]
C
You've seen, like, the Mona Lisa, haven't you?
- [34:43]
B
That's not my. That's not even close to, like, my favorite piece of art.
- [34:48]
C
Starry Nights or whatever. That one or the ones that you have seen?
- [34:52]
B
No, it's nothing like that. I've. I've never seen this in person, but it's something that, like, I'm dying to see. I think it's called the. The Dark Morning Star.
- [35:04]
A
Okay.
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B
And it's a sculpture of Lucifer suspended by black cables, like, within this old church in Europe.
- [35:13]
A
Okay.
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B
It's called Dark Morning Star.
- [35:15]
C
I think I'm googling.
- [35:17]
B
I'm desperate to see this in person. There's also, like, the purported skull of Mary Magdalene. Do you know about this? It's metal as. Look this up. Right now. It's in some church, I think in the south of France. The Mary Magdalene skull.
- [35:36]
A
Oh, wow.
- [35:37]
B
This is. I gotta see that.
- [35:39]
A
I want to see, like, a little glass case.
- [35:42]
B
Metal. Yeah. So I want to see that. And then I've been lucky enough to see several of Frida Kahlo's paintings in person. And as an. That is my favorite artist of all time, also, HR Giger. I got to visit that museum in Switzerland.
- [35:59]
A
Yeah.
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B
And, like, there's a bar across the street that looks like, you know, just xenomorph all over the walls. There's just so many things I've seen in life. Been fortunate enough to experience this, like, in person. Even the Sistine Chapel, when you stand there and, like, just kind of marvel at that, I don't know. I appreciate all kinds of art.
- [36:19]
C
The Dark Morning Star usually refers to the striking 2008 Gothic installation title Lucifer Morningstar by British artist Paul Fryer. This haunting piece, located.
- [36:33]
A
You're just reading the Wikipedia.
- [36:35]
C
Trinity Church in London depicts Lucifer as an oily, dark figure ensnared in power lines with raw something glowing white wings. It's cool as, I guess, if you believe in Lucifer.
- [36:51]
A
Highly offended. None of you list any of my squirrel photography among your favorite images.
- [36:57]
B
Right? Right.
- [36:59]
C
But I would say I liked your stuff. None of this is real.
- [37:03]
A
Oh, when I was doing street art
- [37:04]
C
out now with the dollar bills.
- [37:07]
A
Well, my favorite single image is Uncanny X Men Number 258, cover by Jim Lee. It is a ferocious Wolverine. He's got his claws out and he's shattering a piece of the helmet of the Mandarin.
- [37:22]
B
Okay. I also want to see that basilica in Spain, the one that was. I don't know how many decades they've been working on it. Maybe a century. And it's been, you know, like, covered up by scaffolding and. And they've been erecting it. I think it's in Barcelona. But anyway, they just finished it, and so now you can go see it in all of its glory. I want to see that.
- [37:45]
A
All right, well, speaking of visual art, let's move on to our fourth topic. We're getting new passports in America. This week, Trump posted the design of a new limited Edition passport, which features his image superimposed over the text of the Declaration of Independence with his gold signature at the bottom. The opposite page shows John Trumbull's famous painting of the Founding Father signing the declaration along with quote, united States of America 250 branding. Trump captioned a post showing this image with this phrase. The USA's new passport, which says welcome, but be good. The post raised immediate questions about whether Trump understands how passports work. They are issued to US Citizens who want to leave the country, so the phrase welcome, but be good makes no sense in the context of a passport. No modern U.S. president. Sorry, no modern U.S. passport has ever featured a sitting president, and no foreign passport anywhere in the world has ever featured a sitting head of state, including the most authoritarian governments in the world. This is just one more thing in a long line of narcissistic vanity projects Trump is lending his time and effort toward, instead of resolving the war he's losing in Iran. Mom. Why do you think Trump posted Welcome but be good with the passport image? Do you think he knows how passports work?
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C
Yes, I do. He travels all the time. Yes, I do. Yeah, I see nothing wrong with this. This is like a. A patriotic keepsake.
- [39:15]
A
I'm asking you specifically about that phrase, welcome, but be good. People coming into the United States do not get U.S. passports.
- [39:25]
C
I know.
- [39:26]
A
So why did he post that?
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B
Have no idea, because he's a fucking idiot.
- [39:31]
C
But what I'm saying, if I did travel, you know, your father and I don't.
- [39:35]
A
Hang on, hang on. You're glossing over this. This is a big fucking thing.
- [39:41]
C
Yes.
- [39:41]
A
He doesn't understand what a passport is. That is clear from that post. That doesn't give you some cause for concern that the current United States president doesn't know how a passport works?
- [39:53]
C
What did it say again?
- [39:55]
A
Welcome but be good. People coming into the United States don't get passports. They are issued to US US Citizens so that we can leave the country and go into other countries.
- [40:07]
C
Right. I. Why would he put that on there?
- [40:11]
A
Because he's dumb.
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B
He's stupid.
- [40:14]
C
Maybe that's. He just wanted to tell people that he's stupid. I'm not gonna say that he's.
- [40:23]
B
It's okay to say he's stupid. That's. That's a moronic thing to do. It makes no sense.
- [40:28]
C
Your opinion. If I was a traveler. So you're just.
- [40:31]
A
Again, you're just glossing over the fact that. That he clearly doesn't understand how a
- [40:36]
C
passport works, apparently, but also that that
- [40:40]
B
made it through like Other people's eyes. And they were like, yeah, okay. The.
- [40:46]
A
I don't know if it made it through other people's eyes, except the person who's doing his social media posts.
- [40:50]
B
Jesus Christ. Anyway, that is an embarrassment. Can you imagine having a passport with him on your passport? Absolutely not.
- [40:59]
C
If I was a traveler, I would love to have one. No, you don't keepsake.
- [41:06]
A
You can do it right now. Go get your passport.
- [41:08]
C
The same reason we have the Trumpy Bear. The shoes, the cologne, the hats, all that.
- [41:15]
A
Mom, you should get a passport.
- [41:17]
C
I kind of would like one with him.
- [41:19]
A
Yeah.
- [41:21]
C
Okay.
- [41:21]
A
Then you can travel as well.
- [41:23]
C
I don't.
- [41:23]
B
I wouldn't want that kind of heat. You don't want to hand that shit to another country to get your stamp. I do not want that.
- [41:30]
C
I would.
- [41:30]
B
Absolutely not. Absolutely not.
- [41:33]
C
I would show it proudly.
- [41:35]
B
You should not.
- [41:37]
C
Well, it's not. Everybody has to have one. You know that.
- [41:41]
A
Yeah, there's. It's special edition. You have to request it.
- [41:43]
C
Right.
- [41:45]
A
But no leader in the history of the world that is sitting has had their image on their country's passport. Why do you think Trump is doing this?
- [41:57]
C
Because he is very unique. He is different than any other leader in the whole world, in any other universe we have ever had in any other universe. Okay.
- [42:06]
A
But this isn't. This passport isn't something that, like, the passport issuing agency was like, hey, President Trump, we think we want to do this. This was his idea. He then got his people to make it happen, and now it's happening. So as he's waging war, as he is enforcing tariffs, as the prices of everything in America are going through the roof, as people cannot afford food and health care, he is spending time looking at the design of his special passport, making sure that special passport gets made, sending out posts about the special passport. That's what he's concerned with.
- [42:44]
C
This was probably done way in advance in preparation at 250. You guys are all nutty about it. You don't have to get one now. If he was going to stamp in your forehead something. Yeah. Then that's not.
- [42:58]
B
You're missing the point. He's. He's taking it upon himself to begin all of these vanity projects while the rest of the people in our country cannot afford groceries or rent or gas. He does not give a. About the American people.
- [43:17]
C
Like I said, this had to do with the birthday, the 250 birthday. And he was just doing.
- [43:20]
A
But it's not just this. Like, have you seen what's happening at
- [43:23]
C
the Kennedy center yes, his name is down.
- [43:26]
A
Right. But he's so vain. He has put up a big tarp so that you can't see any of it, and he's going to leave that there for his entire presidency because he doesn't want people to see that his name was removed. So now it's not just about putting his name on. When our legal system says you can't do that, take the name down, he then has to put up a giant tarp so that nobody can see that his name was removed.
- [43:53]
C
I just thought that was put up as they were doing the takedown.
- [43:58]
A
The takedown's over. The takedown took an afternoon. That tarp thing is still up and is going to be there forever because he is that fragile. His ego is that weak. His entire presidency, more than anything else, has been about him putting his name and image on things in America.
- [44:19]
C
He.
- [44:20]
A
The 250bill, the Kennedy center, the Art de Trump that he's trying to have built, the ballroom, this passport, the gold UFC coin, Like, that's all he gives a about.
- [44:35]
B
And he's got you buying cologne and shoes and teddy bears and hats
- [44:41]
C
a while back. I haven't bought anything new, except I would like that passport.
- [44:45]
A
Just all the stuff that I mentioned. How much time and effort do you think that he's putting into getting his name on all of these things, Building all of these things, the ballroom, the Trump Arch, the. All the. That I just talked about. Do you think that he should be spending time and effort on that when we're in a literal war he started.
- [45:04]
C
I really don't think he is. I think he tells the people under him, do this, do that, do this. Yeah, but.
- [45:09]
A
But then he's got to be like, what's happening with that? Show me the layout of this. Have the architect come in and show me the ball. It's not like he just says, make a ballroom and a 250th anniversary passport and a UFC coin and put my name on the. The Arc de Trump. And I want a UFC 250 and I want my name on the Candy Center. He doesn't just say that. And it happens. No. They've got to show him plans.
- [45:34]
B
But it's also just the blatant disregard for how our tax dollars are being spent and. And how he is treating the American public, like, literally not giving a. I
- [45:46]
C
do agree with that. $14 million for that pawn is ridiculous. Ridiculous. Yeah.
- [45:52]
B
And the ballroom that he assured us would not come from us, that he had private donors, and we now know that that Is lie. That is inexcusable.
- [46:05]
A
And the cost of the ballroom has now ballooned to $600 million.
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B
$600 million.
- [46:11]
C
And.
- [46:12]
B
And you know, you know, now about our health care system. Think about what they could actually do if they used our tax money to benefit us. Just think about that.
- [46:24]
C
I have said that before. We need a better health system. I've said that every time on this podcast.
- [46:29]
B
Right. Well, that requires a presidency that fucking allocates our taxes toward things that matter to us instead of putting it in their own fucking pockets.
- [46:37]
C
But Obama didn't do it either. They didn't do it either. Insurance went up and up and up and up. So that was not a fix.
- [46:48]
A
Right. Obamacare wasn't perfect, but at least it was something. And it got more people to have health insurance than we've ever had. I believe in the history of America.
- [46:57]
C
We need a complete overhaul.
- [46:59]
A
Right. Okay, perfect. So what has Trump put forward in terms of health care to do a complete overhaul?
- [47:06]
C
Nothing.
- [47:07]
B
Correct. He has been slashing our health care.
- [47:10]
A
Yes.
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B
Taking it away from people.
- [47:13]
A
So while he's destroying people's ability to have health care in the United States, he is primarily concerned with putting his name on all this. And he himself is getting special health care treatment with experimental drugs that nobody else has access to with a team of 22 doctors.
- [47:30]
C
You better be careful there, because that's your opinion. We don't know that. I don't want to. It's my opinion trouble. And then we won't have a necessary conversation.
- [47:39]
A
It's my opinion. You think they're going to arrest me for it like they are all the protesters?
- [47:42]
B
Now, did you see that total 450 years in prison between, I think, eight people. For protesting.
- [47:52]
A
Yeah.
- [47:53]
B
For protesting.
- [47:56]
A
Yep.
- [47:58]
B
Can you believe that? That could be me or Chad.
- [48:00]
A
We are living in an authoritarian country now, period.
- [48:03]
B
They have.
- [48:04]
A
There is no democracy here.
- [48:05]
B
Donald Trump said that Antifa is a terrorist organization.
- [48:10]
A
Yeah.
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B
Therefore, anyone protesting that's part of this terrorist organization can be jailed. And they are putting people in prison for 50, 70 years simply for protesting. Ice. That's fucking insane. Yeah.
- [48:30]
C
I have not read that. If you let me get back on the news, I'll start reading.
- [48:35]
A
We talked about it last week on the show.
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C
Not protesters.
- [48:39]
A
Okay, we did. Um, let's move on to topic number five. Supreme Court making some bad decisions this week. This week, the Supreme Court issued a issued two six to three immigration rulings split along ideological lines. In the first, the court ruled that DHS has unchecked power to end temporary Protected status, clearing the way to deport Haitian and Syrian nationals. The court also ruled that the administration's policy of turning away asylum seekers before they reach the southern border does not violate federal law. So they can strand anyone they want at the southern border, no matter the circumstance. While those doors closed for Haitians, Syrians, Afghans, and others, one group remained welcome. Over 6,000 white South Africans have entered the United States under a refugee resettlement program since last May, with the State Department recently raising the intake cap to an additional 10,000, each of whom receive a gift bag, including an Android tablet and American flag, copies of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, and a packet of literature providing a Trump approved view of American and South African history, criticizing racial equality and civil rights laws, and promoting claims of discrimination against white people. The bags also include Prager u Materials, Trump's 1776 Commission Report, which likens progress progressivism to fascism, and a children's book accusing South Africa's government of, quote, favoring the black population. Previous refugee waves of Ukrainians and Afghans who served alongside US Troops received no government issued welcome bags at all. And many Afghan allies remained blocked from entering the country entire entirely. Mom, do you think people from other countries should be able to seek asylum in the United States?
- [50:17]
C
Yes.
- [50:19]
A
So you disagree with this?
- [50:23]
C
Yes. But the South African people, that has to do with. It's like an immigration policy. That's why their plight is different than the other ones trying to come over through the border. Is that not correct?
- [50:42]
A
That is not correct. Trump is letting in white people and white people only, right? That's what's going on here ultimately.
- [50:49]
C
Here's what, here's what I research. The difference reflects current US Immigration policy choices, not a law stating that the white South Africans have a unique legal right to. To asylum, while others do not. Congress and the executive branch have long had discussions over this, and there are different priorities set because of limitations of the laws, because that have already been set up for immigration.
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A
It's because they're white.
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C
You're trying to say that he's only letting white people in. That is not correct.
- [51:26]
A
I'm not saying that that's what's happening.
- [51:30]
C
I disagree.
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B
They.
- [51:31]
A
They just said Haitians cannot come here. Now that DHS can effectively say, you,
- [51:38]
B
do you think it's okay?
- [51:41]
C
Congress has always argued this with, with the executive branch over this, over the immigration policies and why anyone should be
- [51:51]
B
able to seek asylum. Literally anyone.
- [51:54]
C
Right, but you're trying to say that just because they're white, he's letting them in. No I don't agree with that. I don't agree with that.
- [52:02]
A
That is literally what's happening. There's no agreeing or not. That's what's happening. Hello.
- [52:12]
C
The people that are seeking asylum, no matter what color, what region they're from, they should all have the opportunity.
- [52:19]
A
Okay, so you disagree with the Supreme Court decision then? Because that's not what they're saying.
- [52:24]
C
What are they saying?
- [52:25]
A
I just read you this whole thing. Okay. The Supreme Court basically said dhs, Department of Homeland Security has unchecked power to end temporary protected status. So that means anybody who's here seeking asylum, DHS can say, nope, that's over now. Get the out of our country.
- [52:48]
C
Right. Everybody should have the same opportunity and they don't.
- [52:52]
A
Right, so you disagree with them. Right, so you disagree with Donald Trump here.
- [52:57]
C
Well, no, that's the Supreme Court, not Donald Trump.
- [53:00]
A
But it's Trump's Supreme Court picks are the ones making this decision.
- [53:04]
C
The Supreme Court did that, not Donald Trump.
- [53:07]
A
Donald Trump chose those people who were on the Supreme Court. This is Kavanaugh, Gorsuch and Coney Barrett.
- [53:18]
C
There's six not always on his side.
- [53:21]
B
Typically she even has Haitian children. Two of her kids are adopted and they are Haitian.
- [53:28]
C
And how did she vote to send
- [53:32]
B
people back to where they came from, regardless of why they're here, even if they're seeking asylum? That's disgusting. Our Supreme Court is corrupt. I think they also ruled that you can't sue Mansano for. Yeah, cancer agents and like Roundup and now.
- [53:51]
A
Yes.
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B
So all these pharmaceutical companies and. And like Mansano, they can just pump full of carcinogens and make you sick and die and you can't do about it now. They can pump it in the fields where your food is and your water. And now people are going to get cancer left and right. And the Supreme Court said, not our fucking problem. And you can't sue them.
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C
If what I read it says, if these people are already in the United States and they have a case pending, they still stay until that case goes forward. That this does not automatically cancel their case. If they have already been granted asylum, this does not revoke their status. It.
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No, the decision doesn't automatically do that. What the decision does is it allows DHS to make those decisions on a case by case basis. So even if you're granted asylum, at least as I'm understanding it, DHS can say no, we're revoking that. Get out of here.
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B
Can you imagine, like you've set your whole life up here, you've Spent X amount of money trying to do this shit the right way. You're here because you came from like war torn countries and now they're like, get the fuck out. Can you imagine that?
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A
Where would you go?
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B
You have children? Like what? Can you imagine that? We used to be a country where people wanted to come, you know, to start a better life, and we've become a country that literally kicks people out because of the color of their skin, because of where they came from.
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C
I disagree with you on that, on the color of their skin.
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A
But this is all part of Project 2025, which was written by white nationalists like Stephen Miller.
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B
They talk about their plan, they talk about like purifying the race and maintaining like our grip on, on our own culture and like that. It's like hella racist. That's what this is about.
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A
You're shaking your head. Do you not believe that?
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C
No, I don't.
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A
Have you looked into Project 2025? We've, we talked about it multiple times on the show. Maybe you've forgotten or, or it just didn't sink in or whatever. Yeah, the whole point. Sorry, go ahead.
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B
They're even trying to indoctrinate children in elementary school now by changing all of the information that they're going to feed them. So history lessons are going to be like way less about SL and they're going to make it seem like it was okay. Like they have all of these plans to basically make this a white America, a white Christian America. They are literally putting Christianity in public school.
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A
That's our next topic and our final topic. Let's get to it. This week, the Republican controlled Texas State board of education voted 9, 4 along party lines to mandate Bible stories as required reading for all of Texas's 5.5 million public school students. Their required list includes passages from the books of Genesis, Luke, Matthew and more, but no central texts from any other religion. The same day as the vote, Texas Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick appeared in the Oval Office as chair of Trump's White House Religious Liberty Commission to release its recommendations, where he said, again, this is his quote again, the separation of church and state is not in the Constitution. And from this day forward, if anyone says that to you and they're in public office or serve in any agency at any official capacity, they have to point out exactly where you have violated the Constitution, because you have not. And from this day forward, that phrase should have no power over people of all faiths ever again in America. Mom, do you think public schools should force students to read the Christian Bible and no other religious books.
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C
I don't think it should force children to read it. But it. If it is in the library, if it's during the time when they're downtime and they want to read it and it's in the school system, yes, that's fine. That's not what I'm saying, but I don't think they should have. Yes, it is, because I just looked it over and it said that the vote was 9 to 5. The requirements are going to be. It will be a reading list that includes Bible stories and passages, along with other literary work such as David and Goliath, Daniel and the Lion's Den, selections from Job, Genesis, Psalms, other books of the Bible, depending on grade levels, that they can do this during their free time. It's not going to be a teacher standing up there reading the Bible to every class to say, you have to listen to me.
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A
Pretty sure it is. I'm pretty sure it is. It's required reading. They're going to mandate Bible stories.
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C
It is a reading list.
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A
It's required reading.
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C
Supporters say that the Bible is foundational to understanding American literature, American history, which I do believe that. And Western culture.
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A
Who do you think wrote the Bible? Do you think an American wrote it?
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C
No.
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A
Okay. Why is it foundational for American literature then? Hello?
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C
I don't know.
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A
Okay. It's not.
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C
It's what our country was founded on. In God we Trust.
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B
Do you think there's other religions in America?
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C
Yes, there are.
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B
So can you imagine in a high school where you have Muslims, you have Hindus, you have Jewish people. Can you imagine this setting? You are now forced to read Christian literature. So that puts Christianity on a pedestal in these places of public education. All of these other kids that believe other religions are going to be discriminated against.
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C
It's. It's on a list. I don't think it's a required list.
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A
It is.
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B
That's what this decision was part of the curriculum. They're teaching it alongside history.
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C
Okay, then if your daughter, or little one, Hanyak, doesn't want to do that, then get her in a private school.
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B
Right.
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A
Afford a private school that I have
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B
to pay for because I don't want my kid in public school learning about the. You learn in private school or let
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C
her stay at home and do school online. There's always a solution. If you're saying that this is going
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A
to be forced down, mom, what you're talking about is insane. You're saying, well, if you don't like them teaching the Bible to your kids, in school? Pay for a private school or homeschool them?
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C
Why not?
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A
What if both parents work and they can't homeschool a homeschool?
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C
The kid stays home, does it online, and then you help them with the tests and stuff like that. Anybody could do that.
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A
That's insane. The fact that you're like, well, just homeschool your kids if you don't like them teaching them. That's cr. No one's doing that. Your kid's gonna go to school. This is gonna cause so much turmoil in Texas. Once they start actually doing it, you're gonna protest. You're gonna see all kinds of kids
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B
are gonna get expelled. Teachers are gonna be fired. Because if I'm a teacher and I have to put this in my curriculum, I will treat it as if it is like fucking Greek mythology. It's story time, kids. Here's a little fable. I'm not teaching this as fact.
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C
I don't even think it will go. I don't even think it will go.
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A
It's gone. What do you mean?
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B
It will be implemented by 2030. That is when they anticipate it hitting all elementary, middle and high schools.
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C
By then, there'll be so many arguments against it that it won't go.
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A
But, mom, this is all part of what we were talking about with Project 2025. They are attempting to force America into becoming a white Christian nation. This is part of it. Now, public schools in one of the biggest states in our country are mandating that teachers teach the Christian Bible to students. No other religion. It's not like they're saying, hey, we're going to mandate that every high school student has to take a religion class. And in that class we'll read passages from the Bible, the Quran, the Torah. They're not doing that. They're saying, you will learn Christianity, period.
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C
Well, it didn't fly here in Oklahoma either. I think there was someone that wanted a Bible in every classroom, and it did not go either. So. But I'm saying by 2030, that's not going to happen in Texas.
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A
But. But they're trying to do it. And you disagree with that, apparently, from what you're saying, right?
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C
Yeah, but it won't.
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B
Dan Patrick. Okay, standing behind the President of the United States is explaining how they're going to implement this. So it's coming from the tippy Top,
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A
and he's saying, standing right behind the president, that separation of church and state does not exist. Okay, so, mom, you do think that we should have separation of church and state?
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C
Yes, yes, I Do.
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A
Okay. That at least is on the same page to some degree as what we're saying. So you disagree with them mandating Bible studies in public schools?
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C
I think all religions are very important and that's what our country was made from.
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B
So why do you think that we should only be teaching Christianity in school? Shouldn't we just omit religion from school? And if you want to seek out religion, you do it on your own
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C
time or go to a religious school. There are religious schools.
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A
There you go. Now you're. Now you're talking sense. Instead of making the public school people go to private school or homeschool, make the religious people go to a religious school or home.
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C
That's why your father was went to a parochial school. Right.
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B
But we're trying to explain this does not belong in a public school setting.
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C
Yeah, probably not.
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B
You keep that out of our public schools.
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C
And I don't think 2030, it'll be there. I really don't.
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B
The sheer fact that they're trying to press this issue is scary enough. And I do believe it will be implemented. Unless we get a different governor, unless a ton of like, political changes between now and 2030, this will be implemented. And thank God I don't have kids that are going to be in school. Can you even imagine kids are going to be dumber than they're already to the point where like, kids aren't reading? Like the literacy levels right now in the United States are declining and now you're going to teach that like Cain and Abel is historical fact.
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C
I do believe the pandemic did that to us. Covid did that to us. They took kids away out of the social.
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B
They don't fund schools in the United States. That's why it's happening.
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A
This is on purpose. This is. No, it's not Covid. This is part of Project 2025. I understand that the population to be as dumb as possible so they can rob us blind, lie to us, do whatever the they want. That's part of this plan. All of this is.
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C
But I think you can believe that. But I do believe taking the kids away from their friends in Covid during that time they had to go home on computers. That was like wrong. Right now aftermath of that we're seeing.
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B
I can prove that wrong right now. All of my children are in college. They were all part of the pandemic. All of their friends are going to seek out higher education. That is just a fallacy that you've been fed on the Internet. The Internet. Covid did not stunt intellectual Growth?
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C
Oh, it. No, it stunted emotional social growth. They had no friends to play with. They couldn't get out there to their friends anymore. It did a big number on society overall, Haley. With kids.
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B
That is not why. That is not why our education system in America is in the. That is not why.
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C
No, I didn't say that. I thought it was in the shitter way before COVID Yeah, there's just.
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B
There's no funding for public school. Teachers are not getting paid what they should be getting paid. So you're getting fewer and fewer teachers with lots of students. Nobody's learning, Jack. Now we're going to be learning the Bible in public school. You cannot be serious.
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C
Our public schools need a big makeover, too. They're terrible.
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A
Yeah, they are getting the makeover. It's coming from Trump. This is how they want it. They want it to get worse, not better. Like in Texas. Don't they have a thing that's mandated taxpayers have to pay for.
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B
Yes.
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A
Private schools for kids.
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B
Yes. Greg Abbott made it law. They are implementing a voucher system where now my tax dollars, instead of being filtered into public education, are paying for motherfuckers to go to public school. And it says, like, I'm sorry, private school. Like 90% of the people who are recipients of these vouchers were already fudgeing enrolled in private school. So that means all these rich assholes are getting a fucking break on their tuition and I'm paying for it. Me. Meanwhile, my kid's going to learn about the fucking Bible in public school. I don't want that. I don't want it. I. I just, I. I live in. I live in maybe like one of the worst states. Maybe the worst state. You know, they discriminate against women, immigrants, the LGBTQ plus community. And now like children, they're getting shot at in schools. And now we got to learn about the Bible. This is literally the worst state. Maybe Florida.
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C
Florida there. Education wise, Oklahoma is the worst state in education.
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B
I mean. Yeah. Oklahoma, I think is the dumbest state according to like all of the. That you read online. But Texas is up there. We fell from grace. I think it used to be like number 70 in education, you know, or I mean, for like 50, like we were at the top of the charts.
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C
Yeah.
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B
And now I think we're the dead last.
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C
Oh, boy. Oh, boy.
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A
I guess that wraps up the show. Thank you everybody for joining us. Thank you, mom. Thank you, Haley. I will be doing a live today at 4pm PST. I doubt either of you will join me. So it will just be me holding down the fort, answering these questions, as it seemingly now is every week. Join me for that here on YouTube. 4pm PST. Before we go. Mom, thank you for doing this. I do love you for doing this. For four years, since that very first episode we did so long ago. Haley, thank you for doing this. I love you as well, Mom.
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B
I love you, Chad. I love you. Tell Dad I love him.
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C
Chad and Haley, I love you. I'll tell dad you love him. Cheers.