Special Guest: Peppermint

Summary

The Necessary Conversation – Special Guest: Peppermint (April 29, 2026)

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Episode Overview

In this special midweek episode, the family welcomes Peppermint—trailblazing drag queen, trans activist, and star of RuPaul’s Drag Race and Broadway—to engage in an open, sometimes challenging “necessary conversation.” The episode explores Peppermint’s personal journey, current trans rights issues, the experience of being trans in America, and misunderstandings around gender-affirming care, especially in youth. The family's mother, who has never spoken to a trans person before, is encouraged to ask honest questions, creating a candid dialogue about identity, policy, and perceptions.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Peppermint’s Life Story and Activism

• Peppermint shares her East Coast upbringing, growing up in a liberal family, always knowing she was queer, and facing bullying from a young age due to gender nonconformity.
• Moving to New York for college in the late '90s, she became politically active out of necessity, as queer and trans rights debates became increasingly mainstream—especially during major political shifts and personal milestones.
  • Quote: “I was always like, super… you know, my family's very, I guess liberal… I always knew I was queer… gave me an awareness about myself that I think a lot of people don't always have right out of the gate.” (02:57)

2. Trans Rights & Discrimination under the Current Administration

• The hosts reference a deeply hostile federal climate for trans and nonbinary people, with executive orders and legislation targeting passports, healthcare, education, and more.
• Peppermint describes the second term of the Trump administration as “the first term on steroids,” with a massive spike (over 700 in 2026) in anti-trans legislative efforts at both state and federal levels.
  • Quote: “This second administration is sort of the first term on steroids… in 2026, there’s over 700 pieces of anti-trans [legislation].” (08:51)
• Issues with documentation (e.g., mismatched IDs and passports) create barriers to travel and healthcare, and removing trans-specific language from federal databases leads to denial of necessary medical care.

3. Understanding Transgender Identity and Youth

• The mom, admitting no prior experience talking with a trans person, asks candid questions about bullying, childhood experience, and when Peppermint’s gender presentation changed.
  • Quote: “If I say anything wrong, I don't mean to offend you… I really, really like you. I want to ask you a question.” (12:49)
• Peppermint details that her social transition came much later, but that her feminine mannerisms and bullying began in early childhood—well before society had any widespread conversation or visible representation of trans identities.
• The conversation addresses the misconception that kids are “making choices” about their gender too soon, with Peppermint explaining the realities of social vs. medical transition, and the long, careful evaluation before any medical steps are allowed.

4. Sports, Fairness, and Trans Participation

• Mom’s concern centers on trans athletes competing in sports. Peppermint responds thoughtfully, first jokingly proposing all sports be banned, but then clarifying:
  • Sports involve great natural diversity (height, weight, etc.).
  • Hormone therapy typically brings trans athletes’ physical profiles in line with their cisgender counterparts.
  • Policies already assess skills and group athletes in ways far more nuanced than simply “boys vs. girls.”
  • Recent studies show trans women do not have an unfair athletic advantage.
  • Quote: “Most trans women are in line with cisgender women… There was a report… that trans women athletes do not have an overwhelming advantage… and in many cases are at a disadvantage…” (22:36)
• Haley adds that hormone therapy levels the playing field, and Peppermint explains that trans men on testosterone will have male-typical physical strength, further clarifying the logic of placement in sports categories.

5. Media Narratives, Stereotypes, and Misinformation

• Mom voices having heard stories linking trans identity (and medication) to violence, such as school shooters. Peppermint stresses these stories are commonly spread by non-trans (and often anti-trans) media, and there's no evidence hormones are causal factors in violence.
  • Quote: “99… probably 100% of what you know about trans people comes from who? Non trans people… really important to get it from the source.” (36:30)
  • “Hormones are not new and they weren't invented for trans people. We are taking the same hormones that everyone else is prescribed.” (38:39)
• Peppermint discusses her own mental health challenges rooted in bullying, not her trans status itself, underscoring how unsupportive environments—not transition—cause distress for trans youth.

6. Clarifying Youth Access to Gender-Affirming Care

• Detailed discussion about what “transition” and “youth” mean—usually, surgical interventions do not happen for minors, and medical steps are carefully considered, often requiring extensive therapy and parental consent.
  • Quote: “A doctor… would usually not [operate on minors]… qualified, certified… medical professionals… are not operating on young kids.” (49:56)
• Puberty blockers and hormone therapies are prescribed for a range of medical reasons, not just for trans youth, and are part of a holistic, individualized process.

7. Political Conspiracies and Media Events

• Brief tangent into current events: the recent assassination attempt on Trump.
• Both Chad and Peppermint openly question the official narrative and discuss the way such events can be weaponized politically.
  • Memorable Exchange:
    Peppermint: “There's very little evidence that's convincing me that it [the assassination attempt] was real or effective… the focus has gone off the journalists… most of the room was full of journalists as a buffer, and then Trump all the way in the back. Honey, if that shooter had shot up everybody, it would have been an hour before Trump would have gotten shot.” (51:17)

8. Humor and Cultural Reference Points

• Discussion about a Jimmy Kimmel joke referencing Melania Trump as “an expectant widow,” with mom and Peppermint disagreeing on the appropriateness and timing of the joke.
• Lighthearted moments around gossip, reality TV, and sports highlight both generational and ideological divides, but ultimately the group finds shared ground in candor and laughter.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Peppermint on Inclusion:
  “These are necessary conversations, just like the namesake. And so I'm happy to finally be having one.” (01:41)
• Peppermint, regarding passing legislation against 1% of the population:
  “We're overrepresented in terms of the effort and energy that people are putting into making laws and policies.” (09:46)
• Peppermint summarizing her own transition:
  “Most of my transition didn't happen until later on…I didn’t have access to some of the things that younger folks have, or are losing access to today.” (13:26)
• On mental health for trans youth:
  “The cause of these mental health issues for many people is their environment… a lot of times the environment has a lot to do with the situation that a person is in mentally.” (40:37)
• Peppermint on understanding sports fairness:
  “Whoever is the tallest should be grouped with the tallest. Whoever is the weight class or the strongest…one size fits all really doesn't work. It doesn't work in the clothing stores. It doesn't work in terms of the choices that women want to make… and neither are men, exactly.” (22:36)
• Mom (reflecting change):
  “Yeah, a little bit. Okay. I like Peppermint… I want Peppermint to be happy.” (20:22)
• Haley (on meeting and empathy):
  “Now that you've met Peppermint, you can kind of conceptualize that, like, trans people are just people, dude. They're just out here living.” (45:16)
• Peppermint on medical myths:
  “All these are carefully considered… they look at my level of estrogen and we try to get it in the range… of cisgender women.” (33:17)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:00 – 01:13: Introduction and welcome to Peppermint.
• 02:57 – 06:23: Peppermint’s early life, coming out, and becoming politically active.
• 06:53 – 09:46: Current state of anti-trans legislation.
• 12:48 – 20:10: Mom’s first honest conversation with a trans woman; candid Q&A about gender, bullying, family, and growing up.
• 21:24 – 22:36: The sports debate—trans participation, fairness, and misconceptions.
• 36:02 – 44:37: Addressing sensational media stories about trans people and violence; mental health and the real risks of stigma.
• 48:24 – 49:56: Deep dive into youth medical transition—legal and medical realities.
• 51:17 – 56:31: Assassination attempt on Trump—the family's reactions and speculation.
• 59:20 – End: Gratitude, farewells, and a sense of changed perspectives.

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Tone & Final Thoughts

The tone is candid, occasionally tense, but overwhelmingly curious and compassionate. Peppermint’s humor, warmth, and willingness to explain creates an educational and refreshing exchange, gradually disarming skepticism and misinformation—especially on the mom’s part. By the end, there’s a sense of family growth and new understanding about the lived realities and rights of trans people.

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Check out Peppermint at:
@Peppermint247 (all socials)
Watch "Survival of the Thickest" (Netflix)

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This episode is a must-listen for anyone seeking to understand transgender identity through human experience—not headlines. The "necessary conversation" is, indeed, had.

Transcript

[Chad]

Welcome to the Necessary Conversation midweek edition. Today we are blessed to have a very important guest. She is an actress, singer, songwriter, drag queen and activist. She was the first out transgender player on RuPaul's Drag Race Season 9, where she finished in second place. She was a lead on Broadway in the Go Go's inspired musical Head Over Heels. She has released two full albums, five EPs. She was banished, in my opinion, way too early.

[Haley]

Yes.

[Chad]

On season two of the Traders, us along with friend of the Necessary Conversation, Bob the drag Queen, she co founded Black Queer Town Hall, a non profit committed to celebrating black queer excellence by supporting and cultivating community, sharing knowledge and uplifting voices. We are humbled, we are honored that she is now sharing her knowledge and time with us today. Please welcome to the show a superstar in every sense of the word. Peppermint,

[Peppermint]

welcome.

[Mom]

Hello.

[Peppermint]

Thank you so much. I'm so happy to be here with the family. What a wonderful intro. Thank you. I'm so glad you're a huge fan.

[Chad]

Oh, well, I mean, I can say the same. I do another podcast that's a reality TV coverage podcast. And so season two of the Traitors was like, God, it was mind blowing. And I'm sorry that you got banished so early. I wanted to see what you were going to do in that game.

[Haley]

Me too.

[Mom]

Yeah.

[Peppermint]

Thank you. Maybe they'll bring me back for all Stars or something. Who knows if they have, they do something like that. But I really do. I love the show. I love shows like that. And yeah, they got me. I'll have to come. We'll have to talk when the subject is reality tv, but they got me. They got me.

[Chad]

Well, first of all, thank you for doing this. And my first question to you is, why are you doing this? Why are you on our show right now?

[Peppermint]

Wait a minute. I thought this was a different show. I love the show. I love your family. I love. I think I saw. I first sort of discovered you on social media with everyone else with an early clip. I don't even know if it was a clip of the show or just a clip of you and your mom initially like that kicked off the whole thing. But I fell in love. I fell in love with the candor with which you all speak to each other. Sometimes it gets a little wild, but the love is always there, which is great. And you have some great examples. And, you know, obviously these are necessary conversations, just like the namesake. And so I'm happy to finally be having one.

[Chad]

All right, well, like I said, thanks for being here. I. I'm Very curious to see, mom, what your reaction is going to be, but I wanted to, if you wouldn't mind, Peppermint, just kind of laying out a basic, A basic life story, if you wouldn't mind. Where did you grow up? How. How did you grow up? When did you become kind of socially politically active, motivated? And what were the triggers in your life that made you kind of go down that path?

[Peppermint]

I mean, who said I grew up? I resent that. I'm from the East Coast. I'm an east coast gal, was born in Pennsylvania, but grew up in sort of the Delaware, Maryland, Virginia area. And then I was always like, super. You know, my family's like, very, I guess liberal is the word. Like they were Democrats and very liberal. And I sort of carry that ideology and sort of like that thought, you know, proudly into my adulthood. And I always knew that I was queer, which kind of made me feel a little bit marching to the beat of a different drummer sometimes. I was like, you know, experience bullying and teasing and things like that. So that gave me an awareness about myself that I think a lot of people don't always have right out of the gate. And I eventually moved to New York for college in the late 90s and was here in New York during 9 11. I'm still in New York. And I think, you know, I think I became more politically active just sort of by default. As of course, people who are queer or who are, you know, part of a marginalized group, different minorities, you know, they're no stranger to having to at least think about asserting or fighting for their rights in a way that might be different for someone who's not any of those groups. You know, straight, heterosexual, you know, white or white passing, you know, American, US Citizen, you know, like those, those sort of descriptors mean that you're, that you might not face, you're not going to face like anti black discrimination necessarily if you have white skin. Right. It could happen, but probably not. Yeah.

[Chad]

Have you ever experienced that?

[Peppermint]

Certainly even this week, stranger things have happened. But I, so. But ultimately coming out as trans being. Being queer for sure, and then being trans, which I came out, you know, when I was, I don't know, in my 30s, more than 10 years ago, I, you know, suddenly I was a part of a group, a part of another group who were constantly in the headlines, constantly being talked about whether we have the right to do this, should we be allowed here. What everybody's asking everybody what they think about people like me, except for asking people like me, like, we're not allowed to be in the conversation. And so that's kind of what got me more politically active, I would say. And then that, you know, I think LGBTQ issues were not really things that the. Even the. The president and people in the higher ups of the federal government were really talking about. I remember, like, hoping and begging that, like, Obama would just mention the word LGBT in his speech, just say the word. And that was like. Oh, it was like, you know, I remember feeling like, oh, my God, he said, and like feeling like we won.

[Haley]

Yeah, well, he was. He was the first president to ever mention transgender people. Period.

[Peppermint]

Period.

[Haley]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Peppermint]

So that felt like a big accomplishment. And then. But it's. It's sort of like an entire lifetime has happened since that moment to where we are now, where the President is actively saying in his very first speech, as in the second term recently, that he's going to target trans people and, you know, make sure that there's no gender affirming care. Like that was in his, like, not inaugural speech, but his, like, first speech after his inauguration. From the White House.

[Chad]

No, I made a little list here. He's issued multiple executive orders in this term. In his second term, they overtly harm the trans and non binary communities. Refusing to issue passports to transgender and non binary citizens, eliminating federal funding for schools that recognize trans rights, outlawing gender affirming care in hospitals, banning trans athletes from playing sports, barring transgender citizens from serving in the military, removing public health data from federal databases that benefit trans community. The list goes on and on and on. What has it been like for you in this, like, whatever. It's been about a year and a half since he was back in office.

[Peppermint]

It's terrifying, to be honest with you and I. You know, this second administration, the second term is sort of a, sort of the first term on steroids. We got a taste of a lot of these things. I mean, very early on in his first administration, I think it was 2017, where he, you know, enacted a trans military ban and was toying with and teasing with speaking about the trans community in a. In a sort of really not so nice way. And so we were getting tastes of all those things, but they were at. From the top down, there was a lot less. Most of what we were seeing was happening at the state level, which was obviously supported by his administration and emboldened by the administration, but not necessarily. He wasn't, like, putting us in executive orders in the way that he is now. Whereas, I mean, I think in 20, 2016, there were like 30 or four, like, less than 100 anti trans and anti LGBT, but specifically anti trans pieces of legislation or policies in the states, many of which were fought in court and then won, as opposed to in 20 this term, 2025, 2026. Currently this year, there's over 700 pieces. Like pieces of anti trans. Anti trans, yeah.

[Haley]

And what's, and what's the percentage of trans people in the United States?

[Peppermint]

I don't know the percentage of trans people that are in the United States currently, but we are like one, right? About 1% of the population, like conversationally. Now. That doesn't account for people who don't feel safe to come out of like that. It's almost like saying, I mean, it's mostly statistically right, but so, you know, there are certainly people who are homosexual but aren't counted in the numbers of.

[Mom]

I have to excuse myself real quick. I apologize. I've got to excuse myself real quick. I'll be right back.

[Chad]

Oh, my God, is Dad screaming out there?

[Mom]

Just a minute. I'm so sorry.

[Chad]

I'll be right back when you come back. Mom, I have a question for you. Yeah, no, that's, that's like one of the wildest pieces of this is that it's like in, in terms of whatever the statistics may be, the population, the amount of legislation that is against trans people is absolutely crazy.

[Peppermint]

I mean, it's definitely. We're overrepresented in terms of like the effort and energy that people are putting into making laws and policies. But, you know, and on one hand it is cruel and it is real. So the impact is real. I am, you know, I'm someone who works as a drag entertainer, and then also now a little bit more in advocacy. But I travel a lot for work, also internationally. And I am now, I can't believe I'm in the same boat as Caitlyn Jenner, where I am facing not being able to travel within the next six months when my passport expires, because getting a renewal means that I'll be having a mismatched piece of identification. And it is, you know, I think a lot of people might think, oh, well, whatever, just, you know, you just go with a mismatch identification. But the thing is, you know, especially now, probably more than ever, our passports, our IDs, our information are all thanks to Palantir and other. And probably Elon Musk as well. They're, they're sort of organizing all of our digital data so that it's all on one database. That's, that's what they're attempting to do, which means if there's a discrepancy with the DMV back in, like, 1800, if there was a discrepancy with it, well, they didn't have passports in 1800, but, like, back in, like, 20 years ago or 30 years ago, if you had a discrepancy between your license and your passport, no one would really know, necessarily. But now that information is flagging as a red flag on your profile that there's a discrepancy in your profile. And so I. My. My ID won't match. And luckily, though, I live in New York, so I'm more shielded from the impacts of the administration, namely the big, beautiful bill that's kicking people off of their health insurance. Certain trans people are sort of doubly kicked off. There's. There's people who are kicked off their. Their health insurance, just. Period. But for trans people or anyone who's in that DEI group that you mentioned, the list of names that had to be removed from federal databases and documents and on all types of things, that also applies to insurances. And so, you know, a year or two ago or before this administration, it was my. My doctor knew that I was transgender, so they were treating me in a way that's in. In accordance with that. You know, receiving certain therapies and medications. That's what would be listed on my. I guess, you know, insurance. They need to, like, list everything, code everything for medical billing. But now they're erasing us from medical billing, which means that there's not even going to be a way to acknowledge the need for the medication that I need, you know?

[Chad]

Yeah, mom, you've been sitting here pretty much silent other than having to go tend to dad when he was screaming at you in the other room. But this is, I'm assuming, the first conversation you've ever had with a transgender person. Is that accurate, Mom?

[Mom]

Yes.

[Chad]

Okay.

[Mom]

And so I just. I want to say this. If I say anything wrong, I don't mean to offend you. I don't know a lot about it, so I don't want to offend you already. I really, really like you. I want to ask you a question.

[Peppermint]

Yeah. I'd be offended if you didn't offend me. How about that?

[Mom]

When you said you were bullied, what. What age did you get bullied and why? And were you a male? I mean, were you a boy then? And see, I don't want that to offend you. I don't understand.

[Peppermint]

Don't worry. You know, I was assigned male at birth, so Most of my experiences were through that lens. And I didn't have. I didn't transition medically, which most. Most of the transition that people think about when they think of trans person is medical things, but the social transition is the bigger part of it, which is like clothing, hairstyle, things like that. But most of my transition didn't happen until later on. You know, I mean, I'm. I. I was born in the 70s and so, you know, like, I didn't have access to some of the things that even younger folks have hopefully have access to, well, are losing access to today. So, yeah, I was bullied. I think people, when they saw me, you would. If you saw me, you would think, wow, that is a very feminine little boy. Like, that's what you would say. And it would be. Emphasis would be like, wow, what's going on?

[Mom]

And now you got bullied because of that. You got bullied because of that. And what age was that? Like high school then, or.

[Peppermint]

Definitely high school, but as soon as I got into a room with a bunch of other kids. So preschool before first grade, first grade, second grade, third grade, it was like a thing by second grade, so much so that I didn't have a ton of friends. Most of my friends were the gals, which, you know, makes sense. But I had a friend who was a. There was a transfer student from another country, from Ireland. His name was Gavin. And we've spoken since, so he's okay with me saying his name. And I remember coming out to him, and I didn't really have. We were in second grade. I did not have the language to come out to him in the way that I would today. But I did tell him that, you know, in a very serious and dramatic way, you know, listen, I'm different. And he understood exactly what I meant. And he was like, it's okay, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And there was nothing more to say, you know, at that point, at that such a young age. But I. I was. I felt the need to articulate that. So I was definitely. I know that I was having sort of bullying experiences or teasing experiences that. Before that moment.

[Mom]

But you dress like a boy then, or a little girl or lean. More girl dressing or.

[Peppermint]

Yeah, I dressed in like, jeans and a T shirt or whatever you would dress your son in at that age. You know, going to school, I didn't really. I didn't really appear probably sort of as female to people until. Until high school. That was the first time I was able to sort of have independence, you know, and like, not have to Go home after school right away. You know, things like that have.

[Mom]

And they kept bullying you then, too, that age?

[Peppermint]

Oh, yes. That was when I became more physical. Yeah.

[Mom]

Even worse.

[Chad]

Yeah, but, mom, like, one of your kind of main points of contention whenever this type of thing gets talked about on our show is that you believe little kids can't, in quotes, make the choice. You know, that they're too young, not

[Mom]

make the choice, but that they feel that. And now that. Right, Peppermint. Correct. Just taught me that. Is that what I should call you? That's your name, right?

[Peppermint]

Yes, please. That's my name.

[Haley]

Yeah.

[Chad]

What Peppermint is saying is that this was in the 70s. I don't know how old exactly you are. I'm assuming 29 years of age. Just like me. Also born in the 70s. We are both 29 forever. Let's agree on that. Now,

[Mom]

I think Peppermint could be more Haley's age.

[Peppermint]

We're getting into murky territory here.

[Chad]

Sorry. Listen, I live in that murky territory at this point. I'm just saying, like, imagine when. When I was in second grade, what the world was like. You know what I mean?

[Mom]

I like to be a private eye. I told you that, Chad. I think that could be my second job. And she's very intuitive. Peppermint is Haley's age.

[Peppermint]

Okay, whatever.

[Chad]

Let's say Haley's age. Imagine when Haley was in the second grade, that era. You know what I mean? Imagine what the world was like back then. And imagine a kid knowing enough about themselves to know this in that era. It was before everything. Yeah, right, But I'm saying it was before all the things that you say contribute to a kind of brainwashing epidemic that is happening. It was before those things even existed. There was no trump in politics. WOKE was not a terminology. None of that existed.

[Peppermint]

A sense of much community. I mean, at that age, for sure. I. You know, I didn't know that I belonged to what we would later refer to as the LGBTQ community. I just thought I. I knew I was different, and I knew I. That I was catching a lot of flack for it. And I thought I was the only one. And I know that there's even people who are, maybe not so much now, but certainly people who are, like, in their 20s or 30s, late 20s, early 30s or older, who, even as gay, had the experience of feeling like they were alone, you know, until they were able to meet other people later on. And so, yeah, I knew that I was. You know, I knew that I was very, very different. When it came to what we would call gender and potentially even sexuality later on, I didn't describe it in that way in second grade to Gavin on the playground.

[Chad]

Right.

[Peppermint]

But I knew that that meant. And I always gravitated towards. And if I had my choice, I would have desperately wanted to wear. I didn't care whether I was wearing a dress or not, but I just wanted to be free of being teased and. And targeted for the way I spoke or walked or picked up a drink or whatever I was doing. Like, every single thing I was doing, mostly my mannerisms were under scrutiny by other people. And I didn't. I didn't learn how to do that from a. A book or, like, watch some TV show. There was none of that. I was alone. I thought I was the only human.

[Mom]

Did your parents or siblings realize this when you were that little, too?

[Peppermint]

You know what? I still haven't spoken to them about what they thought about me when I was younger. It was. There's no way that they could have thought, like, oh, this one's gonna be, like a basketball player. Like, there's no way.

[Mom]

Our family kind of did. Yeah. Okay.

[Peppermint]

And so, you know, they were supporting, supportive. And I would say the word that I would use to describe it now, looking back, would be tolerant, you know?

[Chad]

Okay, so, mom, you've been sitting here a minute. We've been having this conversation for a minute. Is your. Your general ideology changing at all? Are you feeling like. Are you getting.

[Mom]

Yeah, a little bit. Okay. I like Peppermint.

[Peppermint]

I like you, too.

[Mom]

I want Peppermint to be happy.

[Chad]

Okay, great.

[Mom]

But the part. There's one other part I would like to discuss.

[Peppermint]

Hit me, gal.

[Mom]

I'm gonna hit. I. I won't hit you hard. I like you, Peppermint. The part about boys play boys sports, girls play girl sports. So if you were born biologically a man or a boy, don't you feel that, you know, you're. You're strong? Are you stronger than most females? You know, that's the part where I kind of go down a rabbit hole and go. I don't under. You know, I. I think boys should play boy sports, girls should play girl sports. But then if you. What do you call it? Where you. You know, you've gone from a boy to a girl. Right? Am I doing this right? I have no idea.

[Peppermint]

Yeah. Yes. I'm fine. I'm with you. I'm following you.

[Mom]

You hear kind of what I'm saying. So now I don't know. Do you play boys sports or do you play Girl sports.

[Peppermint]

Listen, I think all sports should be immediately outlawed. I hate sports. I think

[Mom]

sports is illegal.

[Chad]

That's a hardcore take.

[Peppermint]

You all want to, you all want to cry about sports? How about no sports for anybody? Yeah, I don't. So I don't play sports. I did. I was forced to be in gym class.

[Mom]

Okay, you do.

[Chad]

You play, in my opinion, the greatest sport in existence, which is reality television.

[Haley]

Reality tv.

[Chad]

Don't get me started.

[Peppermint]

That's true.

[Chad]

I mean, beyond athleticism, the, the psychological component required to be a reality player, to, to make it to. On a season of drag race, to make it to the finals, there is a certain skill set that almost no one has, and I view it as the same level as professional sports athletics, if you will.

[Peppermint]

I'll. I'll take that. And I was kind of teasing a little bit before, but to answer your question, Mom, I listen the. This is a hefty conversation and I'm not an athlete. But I think first and foremost, there's two reasons people join sports. As a youngster, they, or someone who's not professional, they join it for community, they join it for connection and fun. And then as an adult, they. Or as a, as a professional athlete, professional or Olympian, it's a completely different thing. It's for contracts and money and all different types of gold medals. And so that's something. Those are two different reasons. I think that people join sports and I think that a lot of the conversation about sports sort of hinges on this sort of biology, biologic, biological argument and the notion of fairness. And I, I do think that, like, sports should be fair. I think that team sports or competitive sports should be fair. I think that, that fairness should come from the results and sort of working backwards. You know, whoever is the tallest should be grouped with the tallest. Whoever is the weight class or the strongest should be grouped with people that lift the same amount of weight that they do. Otherwise, if it's a gendered class, a sexed sex or gendered separation, then you are going to get, especially if it is not professional sports, you're going to get girls who are stronger and taller than other girls. That's a natural that happens. That's. Human bodies develop in different ways. And I know that there are some, we generalize a lot. But I think one of the things that, that we've gotten wrong with the notion of sex, sex classifications and gender classifications is that all women are the same, that all women's bodies are the same and all women have the same exact abilities in the same way that's not true. And you know, one size fits all really doesn't work. It doesn't work in the clothing stores. It doesn't work in terms of the choices that women want to make for themselves. And neither are men. Exactly. So I think that's, that's an important thing to, to think of when we think of fairness. You know, it's really, I'm sure that Whoever came in 29th to Michael Phelps is like inhuman wingspan. They talk about his wingspan and how, how superhuman he is. You know, I'm sure that Whoever came in 29th would like to say, you know what, that's not fair. And I know that people say that medical transition can or would potentially like aid people sort of as a performance enhancing drug or something like that. But the truth is when you look at the bodies and the, pardon me, the when you look at the numbers of, for trans people, whether it's our, you know, sort of like medical numbers, if you're testing our hormones and all these different things that you might test, most trans women are in line with cisgender women who are natural born biological women. Whatever word you want to use, non trans women are honestly about in line. And there was actually a report that, several reports, but there was one that came out by a really reputable source. I don't have it because I wasn't sure we were going to talk about sports that recently came out that people should look up that gives evidence that they've done recent studies and trans women athletes do not have an overwhelming advantage or much of an advantage. And actually in many, because they have different sort of categories, many times are clocking in at a disadvantage that to their CIS counterparts. And what I want, I want people to do when they think of the argument of sports is what people tend to do is they say we don't want men grown muscular 70 year old men or 40 year old men competing against young toddler baby girls. That's not happening anywhere. It's not men against girls. These are people of the same age group, the same, you know, like they're more similar than they are dissimilar when it comes to like it's not a man with little girls. These are people of this similar age, similar classifications, you know, and a lot of times similar abilities. If you're going to try out for the team, they'll either put you on the JV team or the, or the varsity team or whatever, however they do it. I can't believe I'm even talking about, I have no idea. But they'll Already group you, the coach or whoever's in charge of putting you on the team after the auditions, tryouts, whatever they are, will group you according to your ability. You know, I mean, they're, they're going to put together the team that they think is the best that can win.

[Mom]

Yeah, I understand all that, what you're saying, but I think as you, the word you said was medically transitioned, as you have medically transitioned to the other. What's it called? Not side sex. Yeah, if you have, yeah. If you have transitioned from, let's say a female to a male, then they're going to give hormones, they're going to give testosterone, right? Muscle, muscle enhancing things to get stronger. So I don't know, just my mind, just my mind, I'm thinking boys should compete with boys, girls with girls that you were born.

[Peppermint]

You're making the argument, oh, go ahead.

[Mom]

But then if you transition, that's the part I don't know where you go,

[Haley]

which government was trying to. But I'm trying to say that. So HRT works, you know, for both men and women, for both female and male. So like, you know, if you're, if you're a trans man, you are going to be taking testosterone. If you are a trans woman, you're going to be, take, you're taking testosterone blockers and then upping your estrogen. So in essence, like the strength that you had prior to transition starts to diminish quite a bit because you are no longer fully loaded with testosterone like you were before. So like if you're a trans woman competing in the Olympics, like, you do not have the testosterone that you had prior, you're, you're taking HRT to level that shit out.

[Mom]

But if you're a male, if you're a woman going to be a male, don't you get a whole bunch of testosterone to make.

[Peppermint]

That makes you a very strong person with huge muscles who would compete against. And you would. So most transmit. Not all, because everybody's not monolith, but most, most trans men who decide to medically transition and decide to take, you know, testosterone and other cross sex hormones will develop, their body will start to change eventually will develop stronger muscles, they'll get stronger, they'll develop more body hair, their body shape and size will, will transform to look like what you would say is a man walking down the street. And so who would that person compete against? If they can now bench £300, they should go with the people who can also bench 300 pounds, which are the men.

[Haley]

Right.

[Mom]

You're Right. Yeah.

[Chad]

You're also missing the bigger point that Peppermint was making is like, even in like guys sports, let's say there is such a disparity between physical abilities, physiques, all that. There's a guy in the NBA right now called Victor Wembanyama, aka WEMBY. His nickname is the Alien. This guy is 7 foot 5. He's getting 7 to 10 blocks per game. And it's just because he's like. It looks like LeBron James looks like a child standing next to him because he's so huge. He's. He's a monster, you know, the alien, as I said. And so it's like, what's that? I. I hate to tell you, you would have to go to a basketball game or two maybe if you were. If you started dating Victor Women. Yama. But I'm just saying, like within any sport, like part of what makes sports interesting is that everybody has. There's a drastic physical diversity in skills, physique, strength, stamina, whatever, all that. And that's what you're watching. These people are competing on a stage that kind of like objectively lays out, here's the rules of this game. What can you do within the confines of those rules, given your ability?

[Mom]

I played college sports, you know, that I just wouldn't want to get. I even played with a. I had to beat one time, a one armed girl. Do you know how hard that was in tennis? But I beat her and I won.

[Chad]

Okay.

[Mom]

I mean, it was a match.

[Peppermint]

Harder for you?

[Mom]

Yeah.

[Haley]

Hard for you or her? I'm confused.

[Mom]

Hard for me to beat her be. I mean, I beat her. I. I could have beat her like, oh, 6600. I felt bad in my heart because she only had one arm. So I wanted to, you know.

[Peppermint]

You think that she should have not been able to compete?

[Mom]

No, she should have been able to compete, but I, I hated the handicap that she had because I knew I could wipe her out and beat her just straight up. And I did. But I did.

[Peppermint]

So would that be an argument for you having to go to a. A different. Like what. What would. Compared to the trans sort of argument. Where would either of you. Where should they have moved either of you if they weren't going to have you?

[Mom]

Well, now, today, I guess in today's time, there are handicapped divisions or para. What's it called? Like there are Olympics and things like that. And at the time that I played back in the 70s, there really weren't.

[Haley]

It was just coming around like what you're Failing to acknowledge is that trans women are women and that trans men are men. You just have to acknowledge that it's just another woman competing in a female sport.

[Peppermint]

And even if you don't want to acknowledge that, I work very closely with my doctor to take the medications and continue my treatments and therapies related to my transition. And all of these are carefully considered and all according to the numbers. They look at my level of estrogen and we try to get it into the range. And it is a wide range for cisgender women, women, non trans women who are assigned female at birth, like depending on, you know, if you're on your cycle or like there's a lot of things that would make your hormones fluctuate, obviously. And so the range is a wide range. And so within that range is where they. We try to go from zero, from zero to up to that range. Because I don't, I naturally, because of where I am personally in my medical transition, I don't create any hormones, which means, you know, I know a lot of people think of hormones as like something that is like, makes you feel pretty or whatever, but like you need, the human body needs that to, for your endocrine system. And I don't create any. So it's medically necessary for me to be on hormones, period. And so mine are within the range of a cisgender woman. And trans men, their goal is to be within the range of a normal, average trans, sorry, cisgender, non trans man. But if you're talking about an athlete, then, then that's something completely different because I can guarantee you, me against the wnba or even me against the high school girls, whatever basketball thing, yeah, I know that they are, have, are more muscular, more athletic, faster, quicker, stronger, more skilled and probably depending on, you know, we know that your, your body sort of gives you what you need when you're doing the physical thing that you're doing. A lot of women develop and have more testosterone like women athletes might be, might have more testosterone, more muscle mass, all these things. That's more than the average person. And I'm in line with an average woman, not an athlete at all.

[Mom]

Okay, okay. Why do I always read stories then? I mean, I don't understand this either.

[Peppermint]

Where you need to unfollow J.K. rowling, darling.

[Haley]

Yeah,

[Peppermint]

unfollowed J.K. rowling.

[Haley]

J.K. rowling.

[Peppermint]

Harry Potter.

[Haley]

She is like transphobic.

[Mom]

You know where I'm coming, I'm coming from? I read these stories where like, I don't want to bring up a word but this shooter or whatever was a trans. Why do I, you know, like this particular person that shot someone or that, you know, was a shooter was a trans that was trying to transition and the medicine made him weird. I do read those stories.

[Peppermint]

Okay, well, there's one thing I do want to say that those stories, a lot of times, again, remember, we hear we. I would say probably 99 or probably 100% of what you know about trans people comes from who? Non trans people, people who are not trans. These are people who are participating in a conversation. I don't imagine that the people that are the sources of those stories, I don't imagine that there's any situation that they would want to be inclusive of trans people in this, in this, in this, where we are now. And so it's really important to get it from the source. Now, I don't know any shooters and I'm strongly against gun violence and all of these different things. But being trans, it's so strange. The argument seems to be that being trans and medically transitioning, taking hormones makes you a shooter. And that's not true because trans people take the same exact hormones that you or anyone who's perimenopausal. I'm not saying that you are, but any. Anyone who's older who may take certain hormone replacement therapy to sort of regulate their endocrine system, anyone who has a deficiency, people who. There are youngsters who develop too fast because of probably the hormones that are in the milk and all that stuff. That's a different conversation. There are youngsters who are just cisgender, non trans people who. Young girls who get breast tissue and start to develop and hit puberty at very early ages. They are prescribed medication if their parents, alongside their parents and their doctors, if it seems like it's medically necessary, which a lot of times it is, are prescribed medication and therapies to deal with what they call like precocious puberty. Right? And a whole host of other conditions and things, needs that people would have to have. Hormones. Hormones are not new and they weren't invented for trans people. We are taking the same hormones that everyone else is prescribed.

[Mom]

Okay?

[Peppermint]

They do the same things to us. And so if hormones or if estrogen causes you to become a school shooter, then it's not just, you know, trans people that would be doing this. You know, I mean, and the evidence, but all that aside, we don't even have actual evidence that, that there's a correlation between being trans and school shootings. There are different people who have the Profile is different for a lot of people. Most of the school shooters or most of the shooters period, are men generally, and most of them are white men and heterosexual, non trans. But there is the exception to every single rule. And there. That means that there might be trans people who are violent. But I bet that what. That's what all the school shooters have in common. It's not that they're all trans, because we know that they're not all trans. I know that people are trying to kind of secretly seep that into our mind now. Every school shooter, that everyone that's ever had a gun has been trans. I know that's what they're trying to hypnotize us into thinking, but that's not true. They're ignoring the school shooting that happened today. They're ignoring the one that happened yesterday, because one happens every single mass shooting happens every single day in our country. And they are usually white, straight men. But that aside, what any. What one trans person who's allegedly trans. Because we don't know. We haven't heard from them. I've not heard them say they're trans. I haven't heard anything out of their mouth. But what one person who might be trans. And there we're using translucently because if you look at a picture of them, they haven't done a medical transition. So what is it that. How are we classifying. Define them as trans. But that's a different conversation because I don't know exactly. You're talking about what one school shooter who might be trans has in common with all the other school shooters is more likely. You know, maybe there's a mental health issue.

[Mom]

Mental health, access to mental health. There you go.

[Peppermint]

It's not just mental health, and it's not that they're trans. And I want, I want to be really clear when we talk about the mental health of trans people, of LGBT people, a lot of these statistics are suddenly recognized by people who are anti trans without understanding the cause. And the cause of these mental health issues for many people is their environment. I'm talking about whether they're trans or not. The. A lot of times the environment has a lot to do with the situation that a person is in mentally. And that needs to be taken into consideration. Now, when it comes to cisgender or, sorry, trans people and any mental health complications that they may have, it is their. It's important to look at their surroundings. I didn't talk about this, and I don't talk about this often, but as a. The bullying that I experienced every Single day had an impact on me. I did attempt suicide. I was not successful. It's okay. But it's. That's not because I was. I came out of my mom's womb saying, I need to kill myself. It was because I was experiencing. I was like, I would rather hurt myself than go to school and experience more beating, more teasing, all of these things from first grade all the way through high school. And so, I mean, how many years is that? That's a lot. And so I, you know, that is something that's. It's really important to pay attention to that and consider that. Which means you have to listen to the trans person in question and understand more about them rather than profiling them based on what you think. Because the, the therapies that doctors use to treat trans people in the way that they treat them, it really is. It's not about making someone female or making someone male, because those are sex characteristics, right. That, you know, are more reproductive and clinical. We're talking about making someone feel more at ease in their body. And also if they want someone who, if they want, passes through life without being teased and without being sort of like targeted and othered. And that is sort of the same thing that they have in mind when they go to treat a teenage boy who has gynecomastia, which is boobs. You know, overdeveloped breast tissue for a boy can be a huge sense source of teasing and bullying. He may be suicidal as well. So what do we do? We take him to the doctor with his parents, and we give him the same thing that we would give to a trans person if they were wanting to stop breast development. If they were wanting to, you know, for the girl, for the young girl who's experiencing early puberty, stop breast development, she may get a breast reduction. If she's of, of like a teenage. Usually around teenage age is when a girl may get breast reduction. She may be eligible for it if her breasts are too big, if they're causing her back pain, if they're caught, if she's being overly sexualized, then that could be an option. These are the same surgical surgeries and procedures that the doctor, the doctor who you would take her to, to have a breast reduction, to have, to have the young man have a breast reduction or get those things. Those are the same exact therapies and procedures and surgeries that that, that doctor would do on a trans person. And so I've spoken to many surgeons and they say, we don't, like, ask them if, if somebody comes in, says they want a breast augmentation to get larger breasts. We just look at whether or not they are a good candidate for that, and they can handle that in a healthy way if their body will be able to carry it and what size or whatever that's going to be. We don't ask them if they're trans or not. And so it's. That's, that's. It's the same exact procedure. Like, if I go to get, you know, a soda out of the soda machine, the soda machine doesn't ask me if I'm trans to get a certain machine, I'm getting the same soda that you're getting. I know that's a weird example. Like, it's the same service. You just get. Just go and get the service.

[Chad]

Yeah, I mean, Mom, I think you, too, are.

[Mom]

Taught me a lot. Thank you.

[Chad]

Something that you kind of always miss, mom, is like, you're bringing up this shooter was trans and. And like Peppermint saying, maybe, maybe not. We don't know. Nobody's really gotten the details on whatever the specific story is you're saying, but you have to look at the source that you're getting that news from. And what is the motivation for that story?

[Mom]

You always rip me on my sources.

[Haley]

Well, I think that your fear, like, you have this irrational fear of transgender people because you don't understand it and all you were. I don't care.

[Mom]

I don't fear them. I just don't have knowledge or understand it. That is correct.

[Haley]

But I do think prior to this conversation, prior to, I think this conversation today, certainly your attitude about trans people was quite different in a lot of our other podcasts. And I think that that is like, this, this bullying, this. This call for them to not exist is 100% because Donald Trump and his administration are feeding you this fear that, like, they're chopping our kids up in school and there's an agenda and all this, but that's simply not true. And as I think now that you've met Peppermint, you can kind of conceptualize that, like, trans people are just people, dude. They're just out here living. Like, we all want bodily autonomy. We all want, you know, to call our own shots, and we want to be happy. She has beautifully articulated. She has beautifully articulated that there is no difference between a transgender kid and a CIS het kid. Like, we're all just fucking out here living. And so I think that you needed to talk to her today because I think that this has maybe changed your mind quite a bit.

[Mom]

Yes, I've enjoyed it. I love peppermint.

[Peppermint]

Aw, you're so sweet. I do want to say, go back to one thing you said, mom, where you mentioned about kids making the choice. And you know, they're not really choosing much at that age at a young age. And the classification when we hear people talk about like youth, when they say trans youth, the what pops in our head is like 2 year olds. But a lot of times, especially since they've raised the age in many states to qualify as youth or adult from 18 to 19 with regards to transgender issues, with a lot of times we're talking about 16, 17, 18, 19 year olds. When it comes to any type of medical intervention and usually surgery is saved. Even before the Trump administration before like 10 years ago, what was required in order to be trans was first a year, at least a year of therapy with a, with a psychiatrist, a year of living presenting in the sort of gender that you want to, so wearing the clothing that you would eventually want to always wear for a year living in that those were the two prerequisites. Then was moving to hormones and puberty and blockers. Testosterone blockers. They call them puberty blockers for people who are under 18 or under 16. And then you call them just testosterone blockers for people who are obviously adults. But they're the same exact medications, maybe in different dosages, but this is something that is prescribed alongside their, from their doctor with their parents. And it's the same thing that their classmates might be receiving for that early puberty or that overgrown breast tissue or whatever they're getting now. That usually doesn't happen.

[Mom]

Can I ask one quick question? Like in California, can children transition without a parent? Now at a certain age where the parent has children.

[Peppermint]

What, what do you mean by children? Like what age?

[Mom]

Like 16. I mean, see, this is I somewhere I read this that they don't even need parents now along the way to transition.

[Peppermint]

And what do you mean by transition? I'm going to answer your question, but I'm curious what you mean medically?

[Mom]

Medically?

[Peppermint]

Well, medically transition. It could be more. Several things. I think one thing that where people's minds go who are not as experience with trans folks is to surgery first. Is that where your mind is going?

[Mom]

Yes, that's where my mind's going.

[Peppermint]

So no, A doctor, whether you had a parent with you or not, a doctor would usually not. Now I don't know every single doctor in the country. I've not talked to every single doctor in the country. But doctors who are board certified and qualified I mean, listen, my landlord might say, God, the economy is bad, let me try to go do something. Like, I don't, you know, like people get all kinds of stuff. Right? So we're not talking about that. We're talking about qualified, certified, accredited, board certified medical professionals who want to do that.

[Mom]

Yeah, they won't do that.

[Peppermint]

They are not operating on young kids at all, for the most part. In general, to get medications, you have to be 16 or older. To get surgeries you have to be 18 or older in general. Now obviously until now, 18 year olds didn't need their, their, that's considered a legal adult. So. No, they did. That is someone who didn't need their parents permission to get medical procedures as an 18 year old. But they're still under 25. Right. So their health insurance might treat them differently. So it is, it's not a yes or no answer necessari for everything. And if that person has. What if they're a trans person who does have an early puberty and they, it's a young assigned female at birth person who doesn't want to be an adult with breasts, but also is now coming 12 years old and they're getting a breast early. You know, then they may be eligible for some type of blocker that would allow them to not develop breasts, which is the same thing that we would have given to the 12 year old

[Mom]

who wasn't right back.

[Chad]

Oh God, our dad. Okay, I'm sorry for the background while she's gone. I have a question for you, Peppermint. Do you think the current or the most recent assassination attempt was real?

[Peppermint]

I can't.

[Haley]

Come on, you know about reality tv.

[Peppermint]

Listen. No, I don't. I mean, I have very little evidence. I can't, I can't even figure it out. There's very little, little evidence that, that's convincing me that it was real or effective. I mean, if some. I know that they, we are saying that people were shot, but like who was shot and where, where did the bullet holes go? And.

[Chad]

Yeah.

[Peppermint]

Was there more than one shoot. Shot? Because I thought on the tape, on the first tape it sounded like there was more than one, but it sounded like they were outside the room. And so I just don't know how this shooting in another area is now considered an attempt on Trump. Now it is a threat to the President. If they're in the building and someone's brandishing a gun, I'll give you that. But if they got taken down and they were nowhere near, the biggest danger is to everyone else in The. In the area, you know, like, the people that are around them, the people that are closest to that. And it seems like the focus has gone off of the journalists. The focus just seems to constantly go off the journalists. And with this situation where that was most of the people that were there, the majority of the room was full of people who were journalists. And I don't know how the room was set up, but if it was a typical banquet set up, that means there was the door, the room full of journalists as a buffer, and then Trump all the way in the back. Honey, if that journalist, if that shooter had shot up everybody, it would have been an hour before Trump would have gotten shot. You know what I mean?

[Chad]

For sure.

[Peppermint]

Fine.

[Chad]

This is. For what it's worth, this is my 2 cents on it.

[Peppermint]

Okay?

[Chad]

Things that make me extremely suspicious are the video of that guy supposedly running through the lobby, the picture of that guy face on the carpet. That was out within seconds of the event. No investigation. Yeah. No. Yeah. Shirt was off. No crime scene. It was like, this is the guy. We got him. Everything's this. This is kind of what I think is happening. I could be wrong in this. If these assassination attempts are, like, real. I think there might be some cadre within the Trump administration or the FBI or the CIA actively targeting people that they think they can, like, radicalize to try and do the assassination. Because I think the Republicans. I think they want to assassinate Trump eventually if they want to maintain control in politics. He cannot die in his bed at night. He must die a martyr so that they can use MAGA as their. They can, like, take it over, basically.

[Mom]

Let's go.

[Peppermint]

I know that one thing is gonna. Oh, go ahead, Mom.

[Mom]

The Jimmy Kimmel joke. Did you all think that was funny?

[Chad]

Yes.

[Mom]

Peppermint.

[Peppermint]

I don't think I heard the Jimmy Kimmel joke, so I heard it delivered by somebody who was not funny. I didn't see the video. Was there a video? Was it a tweet of Jimmy Kimmel?

[Chad]

It was. It was part of his monologue from, like, two nights before.

[Peppermint]

I didn't hear him deliver it. I probably would have laughed if I'd heard him deliver it, but it was. It was, you know, delivered by some news anchor. It wasn't.

[Chad]

Yeah.

[Peppermint]

Nothing they say is funny, you know, But I will tell you that it's. It's wild because there's several reasons to question or think that Trump in his age, might not live for another 10 years. You know what I mean? Like, he is of a certain age.

[Haley]

He's old yeah, he's old as. Yeah.

[Mom]

Yeah.

[Peppermint]

So him. So. So his wife, who is not that age.

[Haley]

Right.

[Peppermint]

I'm sure it's crossed her mind once or twice that she's gonna outlive him.

[Haley]

Yes.

[Peppermint]

And that's just a reality. Do you know what I mean?

[Mom]

But you're talking about. You're talking about the joke he made to try to clean up the first joke. He said that she had the glow of a widow, an expectant widow. Yeah, that was a joke.

[Haley]

Yeah. Because Trump is old as. And it's very clear that he's on his way out. It had nothing to do with the assassination attempt.

[Mom]

I think it had everything to do with it. And shame on all three of you.

[Haley]

It happened before the assassination attempt. Is he a psychic?

[Peppermint]

Yeah.

[Mom]

No, this was afterwards.

[Chad]

No, it wasn't.

[Peppermint]

No, the joke was delivered before.

[Chad]

Before? Yeah.

[Mom]

It was still bad. I don't care if it was before or after. It was pretty bad, girl.

[Peppermint]

Then. Then. That don't change that. How's that change something, girl? Come on, girl. That ain't right. You know that ain't right, girl. You know I can't do that, girl.

[Mom]

Yes, I just did it. Yes, I just did it. Well.

[Chad]

Oh, my God.

[Peppermint]

Okay, okay.

[Mom]

But Caroline Levette also, before the dinner, said Trump's going to have a lot of shots come out of this. He's going to have to.

[Peppermint]

Yeah. What do you think about that?

[Mom]

And we. Well, that was not talking about a gunshot. That was talking about. Trump was going to come out with some zingers on people.

[Chad]

Then why was Jimmy Kimmel talking about a gunshot?

[Peppermint]

You think the glow. This mentioning the global widow who. From Jimmy Kimmel. That is not in reference to Trump's age. And the fact that he's definitely going to die sooner than most of us are going to have had nothing to do with that. But. And had everything to do with a shooting that hadn't yet happened.

[Mom]

But I can take jokes. I can take jokes. I can take jokes about me. We've even got this guy named Joel, something that's doing jokes on us, but when it turns more toward death or sexual stuff, forget it. That's not right.

[Chad]

What?

[Peppermint]

It's not my taste. It's not my taste. And to be honest with you, I. I just wanted to make it through the weekend without being blamed for this attempted shooting. Because they're blaming Mom. You already did it. Blaming trans people.

[Haley]

Yeah.

[Peppermint]

I can guarantee you they're going to try to. They're going to use the fact that he once looked at gay Porn and

[Mom]

say, well, he's never even now, guess what? I'll be honest. I never read anything about that. I've read that. I know it's very, very educated, a very good man. He was a teacher. That's all I've read. He had his manifesto.

[Peppermint]

Girl, they're gonna wait. They're gonna figure it out.

[Mom]

Oh, you think they're gonna throw something out there?

[Chad]

They did it with the guy.

[Haley]

They did it with Charlie Kirk.

[Chad]

Oh, was it Charlie Kirk or was it the Butler, Pennsylvania guy?

[Mom]

It was Charlie.

[Haley]

It was both with Charlie. The Charlie Kirk dude, you know was

[Chad]

texting his trans girlfriend or something, right?

[Haley]

Yeah, texting his girlfriend that they're claiming is trans and that they're furries and all this. And he's giving her the Great Gatsby speed. I shouldn't have started.

[Mom]

We shouldn't have gone down this because.

[Chad]

All right. No, we. I. I brought up the assassination attempt. My apologies. We can. We can table that. Let me just say thank you, Peppermint, so much for doing this. This is beyond an honor for me personally, given your status in reality television history rep, but I really can't thank you enough for giving us your time and having this conversation with my mom, who I think it might have helped.

[Mom]

Yes, it has. Okay, Peppermint.

[Chad]

Yeah, Progress maybe has been made here. This is fantastic. But please tell. Please tell everybody where they can check out any of your stuff that you want them to check out.

[Peppermint]

They can check me out on socials. On all socials. Peppermint, 247. And they can keep their eyes peeled on Netflix for season three. Well, season one and season two first of Survival of the Thickest, which is a half hour comedy that I'm on. And we're getting ready to release season three on Netflix this summer.

[Chad]

Fantastic.

[Mom]

That's awesome.

[Chad]

In our. You. That's. That's the best place to be, in my opinion, if you're in any kind of television. So congratulations on that, and thank you, everybody, for joining us. Before we go, we always like to do something on this show, despite our political differences, our ideological differences. Haley, thank you for being here today. I know Wednesday is hard for you to make. I love you, Mom. Thank you for being here for this conversation. I know you're going through a lot right now with Dad. I love you, too. And, Peppermint, I sincerely cannot thank you enough for doing this. I love you from the bottom of my heart, Mom.

[Haley]

I love you, Chad. I love you, Peppermint. Thank you so much. I love you as well. I'M still pissed that you got thrown out of Traders so early. Yeah, really sorry about that. I wanted to see it in the distance.

[Mom]

Chad, I love you. Haley. I love you. Peppermint. I love you. Thank you for being on the show.

[Peppermint]

Chad. Haley. Mom. I love you so much. Thank you very much for having me.