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In the Aftermath of the 2024 election, America is even more divided than before. Half the country fears the end of democracy, and the other half welcomes it. As America inches toward the brink of authoritarian rule. Now more than ever, we must force ourselves to have the necessary conversation. Welcome to the Necessary Conversation. I'm Chad Kolchin. With me is my mom and her best American flag kerchief and my sister Haley. My sister and I are, of course, very left leaning, very progressive, and our mother is. She's getting there. She used to be maga. I don't even know what to call her anymore. It ain't maga.
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Okay, before we begin with the kerchief. It's called a kerchief.
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Isn't it just called a scarf? I'm confused.
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Kerchief.
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It's a scarf.
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I saw Haley on a podcast. Or I didn't see it. One of my mega friends sent it to me and apparently Haley thinks I'm a socialist, which is kind of a big laugh, but you're getting there. Yeah.
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You want socialized health care now.
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Okay. No, I. Yeah, I do. I do like that. Yes.
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Okay.
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That's not socialism.
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Yes, it is.
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Okay. No, it's wanting everyone to have health care.
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Yeah.
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That is a socialist ideal.
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Okay. Today I'm so excited. Here's my ditty. I'm starting ahead.
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Didius away.
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Why would I have my kershaw on my kerchief scarf on today? Why would I have it on?
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Oh, my God.
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Why would I be holding flags today, Chad?
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It's June 14th, two days from my birthday.
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I was so excited. I didn't know which hat to wear.
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Happy early birthday to Chad.
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No. Oh, today is flag Day.
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Oh.
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It's an annual Observant celebrated on June 14, United States. It is when we adopted the American flag, the stars and stripes in the American flag, which was officially established by a resolution of the Second Congressional Congress. June 14, 1777. And there are my flags, and I'm honoring Flag Day then. Okay, bye bye, flags for now. Then I was like, well, wait, I need another hat. Why? But it is also Today, Chad Haley,
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UFC 250, fight for freedom.
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That is correct. But whose birthday is it today?
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Who gives a. Oh, Trump.
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It's Donald Trump's birthday. Happy birthday, Donald Trump, our president.
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We're going to get to that. That's one of our topics.
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Okay, well, I had two different hats to wear today, and I was okay.
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Put the other one back on, though.
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Wear whatever you like.
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Put. Put the American flag Back on.
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It doesn't matter.
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I dropped it.
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It doesn't matter.
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Where would it.
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I like the other one better.
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You cannot have American flags on the ground either. That is not. You can't drop American flag on the ground. There we go. I'm ready.
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Okay, that was your ditty. All right. Happy flag day, everybody. We are now going to move on to that portion of the program where we answer a question from somebody out there who watches or listens to the show. If you want to submit a question, all you have to do is record it in a one minute or shorter video, email it to the necessary conversation pod gmail.com, put in the subject line question so that I know it is indeed a question. That email is now primarily people sending me links to things on YouTube. Let's send the questions there. Are you ready for today's question?
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Yeah. Here we go.
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Hi.
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As a former interpretive park ranger for the National Park Service who has been affected by Trump's hiring federal freeze and who has taken an oath to protect and preserve nature and its animals, I have a two part question for you guys. First, from Mary Lou, it is quite obvious that you love animals, as I do. So how do you justify, explain or defend all of the protective laws that were put into place that Trump has reversed, such as the Endangered Species act and other environmental laws not just affecting animals, but also the environment? And for Chad and Haley, knowing that climate change is real and that the animal agriculture is a major contributing factor, do you still eat animals and support these industries? And if so, how do you justify that? Thank you.
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There you go, Mom. We've talked a little bit about Trump's policies on animals and conservation and how he's rolled them all back and taken endangered species off the endangered species list. How he's cruel killing animals all over the country with cyanide bombs. How do you reconcile it?
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Yeah, I can't justify that at all. It's terrible. I hate it. I don't like it. I don't know how to change it.
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Because he just stop voting for people like Donald Trump. Yeah, that's how you change things. You stop voting for the pieces of that implement these terrible, horrific acts.
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Yes. I don't justify it at all. I think it's terrible and I'm sorry. It affected her job, too.
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So then, per what Haley said and per what you said, if Trump runs for a third term, which I think is likely, will you not vote for him?
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I've already told you that I will not vote for him. He's not going to run for a third term. He will not.
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Okay, we'll see. Okay, second part of that question was to Haley. And I can answer it for both of us, who are both vegan. We don't eat meat or support those industries by extension. What's that?
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I'm not, though. I have to have my protein, so I've always ate meat.
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Do you think that me and Haley don't eat protein?
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Just gotta get yourself on that tofu.
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Yeah, I don't like that tofu.
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But you don't like that. So the flip side of that is you'll murder countless innocent animals.
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I. I would say I'm half. Half vegetarian. Half. I really am not how it works.
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You.
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I'm half vegetarian. I eat French fries with my cheeseburger.
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I do not eat steak. I don't like steak. Okay.
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Do you eat hamburgers?
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Not much. I eat a little chicken and salads.
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That means you eat animals, therefore you are not a vegetarian.
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I'm half vegetarian.
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You're not.
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Okay.
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Okay, let's get into the show. Thank you for your question. Of course. Again, if you want to send me one, record it in a one minute or shorter video. Send it to the necessary conversation podmail.com with question in the subject line. Here we go. Topic number one, Elon Musk. This week, Trump helped Elon Musk become the world's first trillionaire. His space exploration company SpaceX raised 75 billion in the biggest IPO in history. That's initial public offering. Mom. Musk's SpaceX stake is worth over $766 billion. Combined with his 280 billion Tesla stake makes his net worth hit roughly 1.05 trillion, making him worth more than the next five richest billionaires combined. SpaceX has yet to turn a profit as a company, losing 4.9 billion last year alone. To help Musk make more money, The Nasdaq and FTSC Russell changed their rules to allow SpaceX into their indexes after after as few as five to 15 trading days, which is not usual since index funds are obligated to buy whatever enters the index. You might be being forced right now to hold SpaceX stock in your portfolio no matter what. Like your 401k, probably at least 10. Trump administration officials disclose holding tens of millions of dollars in SpaceX ahead of the IPO. Mom, do you think anyone should be a trillionaire
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if. If you know how to make that much money? I'm happy for him. Why would you not be happy that he's made that much money?
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Do you believe in Universal health care.
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Yes.
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He could literally do that.
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I don't, I don't think so. It would take probably more money than that.
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No, no, no, it wouldn't.
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Let's see what he does with this.
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Do you believe in people being homeless or going hungry?
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You know, I don't.
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He could end that. This is why trillionaire, this is why billionaires should not exist beyond a certain amount of money. You don't fucking need it, you don't fucking require it. It doesn't even have anything to do with money. It's about power. And so you must take that away from people like this because they're literally fucking destroying our planet.
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But you had to educate yourself. You had. Or go to school or educate yourself to know how to make that much money. Look, to know how to have it. And why should he then have to give it away if he does?
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For the greater good.
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For the greater good, if he doesn't want to give it away?
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That just makes you a piece of shit.
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I applaud him for doing this.
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No, you should have to give it away. That's the fucking point. They're literally starving. Why work hard? He has a trillion dollars.
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I don't think you want you. I don't think you can comprehend what that amount of money is.
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Yes, it is. That's like a hundred thousand billion, isn't it?
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A trillion is a thousand billion.
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He just said it is the. It's five billionaires worth of money. He is more wealthy than five of the richest people on the planet.
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I don't know why you're mad at him for this.
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He's worked hard because there are people starving and homeless in the streets because you can't get health care in the United States. Like if there are people starving and dying and homeless, there should be no billionaires. Your money should be filtered into these systems that create a greater good. Well, that's just selfishness.
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That's taking his money away to give to others.
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But he doesn't need it.
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Hang on, hang on. You're missing a huge point here. The money largely that he has made with SpaceX and with a bunch of different stuff. Starlink, ours. That's our money.
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It's ours.
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Taxpayer money. Trump gave him those deals. Giant government contracts for billions of dollars. That's our money. He just stole it. Then Elon Musk is part of the, the government. He's literally the one in government hiring and firing people. Put. Remember big balls when he put that 20 year old kid in charge of Doge who stole all of Our Social Security numbers. He did that so he can take our money. Then he puts all these policies in place, he lords over Donald Trump and he's like, here's what's going to happen. You're going to give SpaceX a $7 billion contract. Okay, done. Here you go. And then he keeps doing that type of. They're still using Starlink at the White House, his Internet company, so that he has access to all their data. And he's getting all that to train his AIs, which make child porn and all this other. All of these companies that he has made. SpaceX specifically has recorded net losses every year.
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Right.
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But it's the largest IPO in history.
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That.
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Because he's also colluding with the guys who put it in those indexes. So those guys are like, oh, we'll force it in the index way earlier than usual. Now it's in everybody's 401k so that you have to buy them. That's why the stock went up. So crazy, is because that stock is basically. It's mandatory. If you hold any of those indexes, you're holding that stock.
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Now it's going to help other stocks to go up. I've already read about it.
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And you're missing. Hang on, Mom. You're, You're. Please address what I'm talking about. Most of his money, or at least the big government contracts that he's getting for SpaceX, are done through Trump. They're buddies at the very least. If not, Elon Musk is actually running our government, or was at some point. You remember the first six months when he was in the Oval Office, basically elicited, what are you doing there?
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Yes. Okay. It's not against the law what they did. Those 10 people that invest those 10 individuals, it's not against the law what
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they did, everything they do is against the law. They're all criminals. You do not become a billionaire or a trillionaire by being a good person. And you don't do it by just hard work.
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How about the person that. Elon Musk, in 2015, when he started SpaceX, allowed a man to become a welder, showed him the craft. The man became a welder for Elon Musk's company, and Elon Musk gave him some stock in 2015. That man and his family with two children cashed it in yesterday for a million dollars. Is there anything wrong with that?
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What are you talking about? He's a trillionaire.
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Okay? And he gave employees stock way back when that now they are millionaires.
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Great. You're missing the point. He has so much money that he can influence whatever he wants. He literally bought Trump's election and then bought his way into the White House to affect policy. That gives himself money, our money.
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That's your opinion, I don't think.
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What do you mean, opinion? Yes, he was the. I believe he was the largest single contributor to Trump's
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campaign.
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How much money did Musk.
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Thank you.
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Trump's campaign? 250 million. Okay, so he bought that election, and to him, 250 million is literally nothing at this point. Okay, so for an amount of money that is meaningless to him, he can control an entire election in the biggest country in the world with the most technically speaking, I guess, robust political system in the world. He just bought it. And then not only did he buy the election, the outcome of it, he installed himself as President of the United States because he paid Trump that money.
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I think you guys are just mad because he made a lot of money or something. It's very bizarre to me.
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He didn't make it. He stole it. You're missing the point. He's a crook. Elon Musk is not. Just like this. He works so hard. He's such a g. That's. He's criminal.
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When he started with Trump and was doing the Doge and all that, you guys were mad. Then he quietly went away because of his Tesla.
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Quietly went away?
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Never.
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It was huge. He was on the disappear.
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Never heard. Never heard anymore from you two yipping. And now that he's made this money off SpaceX, y' all are yipping again.
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You're right, but no one should be.
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There's another piece of this that you're not getting. Like, a single person having that much money only helps that person and their interests. It does not help humanity. I know you're saying, oh, he gave this welder a billion dollars. Who gives a. I'm talking about. Huh?
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Let's see what money he does give away to people.
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He won't. He never.
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He doesn't give to charity.
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We'll see. We'll see what charity he gives to you.
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You always say we'll see. You're watching it right now. He could do that any minute.
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Okay?
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But he doesn't. And that's why he's a trillionaire. He could literally fucking end world hunger. But he won't, because he's a selfish piece of.
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I think, if anything, we should invest in the next three stocks that said are going to go up because of that. That's what I would like to do. Okay, okay.
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So you're down with insider trading.
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It's not insider trading.
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Oligarchy. Let me ask you this, do you think you have more in common with somebody who makes minimum wage or a trillionaire
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minimum wage?
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Okay, so at least you're understanding reality to some degree. Let's move on to our second topic, also involving money. Donald Trump loves inflation. A reporter asked Trump if he was concerned that the consumer price index rose to 4.2% annually, the highest since April of 2023. Trump replied, no, I love it. The numbers were great. You know what I really love? I love the inflation.
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Stop it.
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This is the second time Trump has claimed he's in favor of financially hurting Americans. In early May, a reporter asked if Americans financial situations factored into his Iran negotiations. Trump said, not even a little bit. I don't think about Americans financial situation. I don't think about anybody. Those are direct quotes, both of these from him. So, mom, why do you think Trump loves inflation?
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Okay. Shortly after his remarks in the Oval Office, he clarified the comment to the New York Post in a phone call saying Democratic criticism. Democratic. About the comment. He said it was out of context.
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I put. No, it wasn't that. I just read it verbatim.
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Verbatim.
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My voice. It said. He clarified the comment to the New York Post in a phone call calling Democratic criticism about the comment. Way out of context. That's what he said.
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But that's a lie.
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Yeah, I love the inflation numbers because of what I'm talking about. He told the Post. The numbers are going to be phenomenal. And because what's showing is despite the fact that we're in a war, the numbers are much lower than anticipated.
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Inflation is higher than it has been in three years. And he is saying he loves inflation. He said that verbatim. He can say. He takes, they take it out of context, blah, blah, blah. That's a lie.
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I was thinking out of context.
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But think about this. Why do you think he loves inflation?
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Because it will bounce back? No, why?
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He makes money from it.
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Okay.
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He holds a lot of real estate. When inflation goes up, so does the price of real estate. So all of his properties around the world, including all this island they're about to buy and all this, the value goes up with inflation. That's why he loves it.
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Hello? He said they took it out of context.
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I understand. That's a lie.
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Well, he said that we've already concluded on previous pods that he's a liar. Can you admit that?
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No, no, wait a minute.
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Wait, wait, wait. You have admitted that on this show,
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there's a few things that he has lied about everything. This one he said he took. They took it out of context.
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He's just a.
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But that's not true.
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Maybe he'll die on his birthday.
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He said, no, I love it. The numbers were great. You know what I really love? I love the inflation. How is that? I'm. I'm quoting it verbatim. That's what he said.
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I quoted verbatim, too, out of the New York Post. So who do we believe?
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I believe the words he said, not the lie. He says to clean it up later. This is a pattern with him. He always does this. He'll say some wild and then he'll be like, they took it out of context.
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He also said when the war is over, it will even go down more, which supposedly today they're supposed to be doing something.
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We're going to get to that. That's. That's one of our topics. Okay, so you don't give a shit that he said he loves inflation taken out of context?
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That's what I'm standing on.
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Okay, so you do then still think he cares about the average American?
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Yes, I do.
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All right, well, I guess that one's a non starter. Let's move to the Epstein cover up. This week, new reporting from the New York Times. Reporters Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan revealed that on July 17, 2025, 10 days after the DOJ and FBI released a memo declaring there was no Epstein client list and that Epstein had died by suicide, VP JD Vance presided over a heated Situation Room briefing meeting. Sorry. Attendees included Chief of Staff Susie Wiles, Communications Director Stephen Chung, Press Secretary Caroline Levitt, then Attorney General Pam Bondi, and then Deputy Attorney General, now Attorney General Todd Blanch, and FBI Director Cash Patel. The meeting's purpose was to protect Trump. The group floated several PR strategies. Vance believed it might help if Ghislaine Maxwell would state that Trump had not been part of any wrongdoing. Vance also floated enlisting Tucker Carlson to interview Maxwell in prison. Vance separately tried to arrange a Joe Rogan interview tied to the DOJ's Epstein Files website launch, arguing that if he appeared on Rogan's show, only part of the conversation would be about Epstein. White House Counsel David Warrington suggested pardoning Ghislaine Maxwell as a solution. Mom, are you okay with Trump's team using the White House Situation Room to try and protect him from his involvement with Jeffrey Epstein?
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No. And why is this the first time I ever heard of this?
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Because the reporting just Came out this week. This was a secret. This was something they were trying to hide from you.
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Who is that reporter? Someone that doesn't like Trump. Do we know if it's true? Is it made up? Is it verified?
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Yes, it's true. These are New York Times reporters. All this has been vetted. Their book is coming out about this.
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They don't like Trump much, okay, but
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that has nothing to do with this. Whether they like him or not, this happened. They're reporting on it. Trump's inner circle, when it was like, we have to release the Epstein files, His inner circle was like, oh, God, how are we going to deal with this? Because they know he's all over the Epstein files, half of which we still have not seen criminally.
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What you're telling me is that reporter was in there listening to this, or was this hearsay that she heard from someone else?
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Do you know how reporters work?
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I guess not.
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They get a lead on a story, okay? So somebody tells them, hey, I think this went down. They were on the Situation Room. Then they have to do weeks. I mean, this happened back in 2025. It's taken them this long to put the story together because they have to get credible sources who were in that room or know somebody who was. They have to vet those sources, they have to make sure they're accurate, et cetera, et cetera. They can't publish this just as hearsay. That's like what Newsmax does.
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Oh, okay.
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What do you roll in your eyes? That is true. That's like Fox News does it as well. That's why they were successfully sued for hundreds of millions of dollars, because they lie about things.
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That's the one I was thinking about. Yes, Fox News.
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Okay. So I'm just saying. Yes, it's real. Okay, okay, Just take that to the bank. The president's inner circle used the Situation Room, which is where, like, Obama was when they were killing Osama bin Laden. This is where presidents go with their inner circle at times of great crisis or military raids or whatever is is going on. Like, at that level, they used it to figure out how they were going to lie to America about Trump's involvement in the Epstein files.
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I would like to make sure that's credible. I'm still like, okay, but wait, you'll.
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You believe Newsmax immediately, any research. But this, for some reason, is just not credible.
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This is the first time I've heard of it from Chad's mouth. And on the topic, I mean, that's
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a lot of times on this pod. Okay, Chad does his research. Do you not believe Chad?
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Yes, most days.
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Okay.
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Most days.
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Okay, so this is true. So how do you feel about it?
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I don't like it.
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I think the entire staff should be fired. I think every person in that room should be canned.
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It doesn't matter.
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And I think they should all be put on trial.
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It. Oh, okay. It doesn't matter what room that they were in and all that, but just
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put yourself in that situation. Okay. They, at least Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche probably had seen the files and know how bad it is. Like they've seen all of them.
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The.
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The other 3.5 million that haven't been released. They know what's in them and there's a reason they're not releasing them. Obviously, it's because Trump is in them doing bad. That aside, imagine this. The call comes down, we're gonna have to release these files. Trump's all over him. What do we do then? They go in that room and they start concocting these strategies. Pardon Ghislaine Maxwell, have Glenn Maxwell be interviewed. This is where the. I'm sure the strategy came to have Todd Blanch go there and talk to her and then move her to a cushier place. So play nice. That's their reaction. Not, oh, my God, the President molested children. Let's get him out of here.
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None of that is in there.
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Then why, then why are they doing this? Why would they have this secret meeting where they were trying to protect Trump?
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It's not only the secret meeting, but, I mean, we witnessed Pam Bondi come on and say, it doesn't exist. There is no list. And then all of a sudden, okay, it does exist, and now we're not talking about it, we're not going to prosecute anybody. End of. So they have just continuously fucking lied to us about the Epstein files from the very beginning. Why would you think that Donald Trump's not in there? Why would they want to hide it from you?
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They have shown that he was not in there very many times.
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They have shown he is in there more times than fucking anyone.
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Yeah, why are you shaking your head at that?
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His name is in there more times than any other fucking person here.
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I don't think so. I don't think so.
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Here is Trump in the housing files more than anyone.
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Anyone else seen.
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I think.
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I don't.
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Donald Trump's name appears thousands of times in the unredacted Jeffrey Epstein files with some lawmakers alleging over a million hits in the sprawling database. While he is one of the most Frequently mentioned public figures. Whether he is in the files more than anyone's impossible to quantify definitively because Jeffrey Epstein's name and Ghislaine Maxwell's name appear more consistently.
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But that's latest, like, 2018. I think there are emails between, like, Epstein and other people referencing Donnie T. As late as 2018.
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I've always said that needs to be in the open. The people, the poor women, they need.
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Right. And our government will not release it because his name is in there.
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And I did notice that. Didn't they just release Martin Luther King stuff? Why were they doing that?
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I don't know. I don't know anything about what you're talking about. That's a complete deflection. So let's stick on topic here.
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That's why it is a deflection. I think they released that to deflect from Epstein.
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So they have withheld half of these Epstein files criminally. That's against the law that Donald Trump signed called the Epstein Transparency Act.
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Okay.
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You now have information that on the. The week or the day that they learned they're gonna have to release these files, they all have this meeting where they are trying to figure out how to make sure the damage to Trump is minimized. They know there will be damage because his name is in it, and it's bad. Their reaction isn't, oh, my God, the President is in these files committing crimes. We have to do something about this. It's, how do we lie to America? That's what that meeting was about. How do we lie to America? They use the White House Situation Room to come up with strategies to lie to us about the biggest criminal conspiracy in the history of United States government.
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I think anybody's name that was in
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there should have been afraid, including Donald Trump.
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You can't prove to me yet that he was in there doing bad things to children.
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Why do you.
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Wait a minute.
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Why do you.
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Mom. Mom. You just said anybody whose name is in there should be afraid.
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Yes.
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Didn't say if they were in there. Proven to be doing bad things to children or not. You just said if they're in the files, that's bad, right?
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No. If they were doing bad things to women or children or men.
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But he's. He is accused of doing bad things to women and children in the files, and he has been convicted of doing bad things to women in a court of law. Civil.
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That's right.
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Hello.
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Which she was paid money to get to do that. We all know that. Now Eugene Carroll's coming out saying she was Paid money by the Democratic Party to lie.
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No, she wasn't.
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I. I don't have evidence of that. This is some newsmax.
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Jesus Christ.
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So let me ask you this. If Trump didn't do anything bad in the files, why do you think they had this all hands on deck? Emergency meeting to try and lie to us about him being in the files at all?
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I do not know.
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You do know.
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Yeah.
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Anybody would protect. Anybody would protect someone if their name was in there.
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I would think he didn't do anything bad. And there was nothing bad about Donald Trump in there. Why would they hide it? They're hiding because he did terrible things.
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I really still don't think he did, Haley.
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Then why would they have this meeting?
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Like. I don't.
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Just, like, think about it. Just think about it.
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I'm trying.
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Okay, we'll give you a second.
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Okay.
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If he was just in the files, as you say, it was flight logs and meetings.
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Right?
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That's all it was. Then they should release all the files and say it was just flight logs and meetings. He only operated with Epstein in a business capacity, as many people did.
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That's what I read.
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But then why have this meeting?
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Like I said, this is the first time you sprang this on me. I would like to.
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This was huge news this week. I'm not springing anything.
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I would like to look up that reporter and look more into this.
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But you always say that, and then you never do.
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Yes, I will.
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No, the bottom line is you just don't believe anything. You don't believe anything bad about Donald Trump. Well, I need proof. You have it. His name is in the Epstein files. A million times you've got that proof, why won't you believe it?
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I believe.
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Why do you? Why do you? Okay. And you don't think that's alarming that his name is in there more than anybody else's name? You don't think that's alarming?
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He was a friend with him long ago.
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And you shouldn't be friends with somebody like that because you know what they do. There are tons of people that aren't friends with Jeffrey Epstein and in the files. Tons.
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How about, like, Bill Gates? I saw him on tv. Yeah, he said, my regret was ever knowing him.
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Okay. Right. Put him on. Looking to investigate that. I don't give a. About Bill Gates. If you're in those goddamn files, I want you investigated.
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Okay, quit pounding on me, you two.
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Okay, let's move on to the simmer down. I wanted to ask each of us if you could relive One day in your life, what would it be? Yeah,
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what?
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Yeah, what?
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All right, you already asked this.
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Come up with something. Did I? Is this a repeat?
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This is a repeat.
A
Then give me another one. Yeah. Not so easy to come up with them, is it?
C
Okay, best one regret.
B
What's one regret in your line? If you could do it, do over.
A
Mine is probably going to Wichita State baseball camp when I was 15 or 16 with no sunscreen. I think that's probably why I got cancer in my face and had to get it carved off.
B
Oh, yeah, that's a good one.
A
I got very sunburnt, and I'm waiting for the same thing to happen on the back of my neck eventually. That'll be fun.
B
I remember that. What's yours, Haley?
C
I don't know.
B
My regret would be not meeting your dad sooner so I could have him longer.
C
You met when you were, like, 10 or something?
B
Like what?
A
Met in the crib? All right. Interesting. Haley, you don't regret stabbing me?
C
No. Oh, regrets. I don't know. Like, I don't. I like the way that my life has played out, I suppose. Like, maybe some friendships that I've had. I'd never meet some people in my life, maybe because it just kind of, like, stunted the trajectory of my growth.
A
So I guess taking karate, tearing that acl.
C
No, I would do that all over again. I. I got a black belt.
B
Yeah.
C
Come at me. Come at me.
A
And I got a T shirt that says LA Fitness cd League racquetball champion. But it wasn't worth my acl.
B
Yeah.
C
I am pissed that, like, because once that goes, like, you're just, you know, like, you know, I've had the reconstruction and I've torn it again, and I'm just kind of waiting for a full knee replacement, I guess, at, like, 65. I don't know. I'm not going in for another ACL reconstruction. I'm just Willy Nelly out here with nothing. Nothing in there.
A
I'm doing the exact same.
B
I don't know. That's so weird. I have strong names. You guys don't.
A
We got Dad's knees. Maybe Dad's teeth as well, which I am thankful for.
C
Well, that's unusual. I think I would also maybe become vegan sooner. I think. I think maybe I'd never eat meat. Like, I would have never eaten dairy meat. None of it. I'd be 100% from, like, the womb.
A
100. I did.
B
What, are we glitching? Are we glitching?
A
You are. No, you're glitching. Okay, I would have. I became vegan when I got cancer six, seven years ago now. And I did it for health reasons.
C
Six, seven.
A
Oh, my God. I did it for health reasons. But now it has become a little more ideological for me.
C
Yeah, I would have become vegan from the womb, I think. And probably I use sunscreen probably starting at like 16. So I have been doing skin care for a long time, but maybe, like, sunscreen, taking better care of my skin, you know, like a, a real bonafide, like, workout routine, all of that, like, much, much earlier.
A
Yeah, same. All right, let's move on to our next topic, the war in Iran. We are in week 16.
B
Mom, I know it's bad, but 10 weeks past your prediction proposal today?
A
Well, we'll see. The war in Iran started off this week with a US Army AH64 Apache helicopter getting shot down near the Strait of Hormuz. Both crew members were safely rescued. Trump posted on Truth Social that Iran shot down the helicopter via a drone strike and declared the US Quote, must of necessity respond. CENTCOM launched a retaliatory strike on Iran. Iran then launched retaliatory attacks on the U. S. Bases in Bahrain and Kuwait. Iran then claimed U. S. Strikes hit reservoirs supplying drinking water to 20,000 people. Trump then declared a peace deal was, quote, largely negotiated and would be announced shortly. Iran's Foreign Ministry said the two sides remain both very far and very close to an agreement, noting the U. S. Had put forth, quote, conflicting stances several times. When asked if negotiations were over, Trump said, I don't care if they're over. Honestly, I couldn't care less. I thought they started to get very boring. Then on Saturday, Trump posted that a deal would be signed with Iran by Sunday. That's today as we're recording this. But, quote, if it doesn't, we have the ultimate alternative, hopefully never to be used again. Trump also let reporters know that if a deal is to be signed, he's not going to be there to sign it because he has to go to the UFC at the White House. And this morning he woke up. We woke up, sorry. To news that Israel attacked Beirut, which jeopardizes any deal that Trump might be putting together. Mom, no deal has been signed as of us recording this at 10:42am PST on Sunday. Do you think Trump's negotiations are going well?
B
No. Last I read, though, there was a ceasefire framework in place, but then in
A
a ceasefire for like two weeks now. But they're still shooting down helicopters and launching missiles.
B
I hope that they work on this agreement and get it done. It's getting ridiculous. He needs to stop this. This is ridiculous.
C
But he won't, and they aren't. So now what? Also, we still have Pete Heth. We still have Cash Patel. They have not been fired.
B
I know.
A
All right.
C
You okay with that?
B
No. One of them probably should go, and he needs to sign this truce and get this over with.
A
But it's not just him signing it. Iran is part of this as well, and they have some terms that they would like to see met in this agreement, none of which are being met. This new strike this morning in Beirut from Israel, that's one of the things they want to stop.
B
I really believe he's like you.
A
I'm firing more missiles.
B
I really believe when this first started that, you know, the time frame would be five to six weeks. Somewhere in the.
A
I remember.
B
Really, really did.
A
Yeah. But now you're seeing that it's not because Trump is inept. He's very bad at this. He started a war with no plan, with no real goal in mind. He was like, we got to get rid of the nuclear. We need a regime change. We need this. And now it's like the goal of the war is just to get back to where things were before he started it, to open the Strait of Hormuz, which was open before he started this war. So he's. He's basically put us in a hole that we're just trying to dig out of to get back to where we were. There's. There's no benefit in this war now. It's just a loss of American life, loss of Iranian life, and massive waste of money.
B
Let's hope by the end of today that something is done, huh?
A
Well, he won't be there because he's going to be at the ufc, which is going to be our next topic. But let me ask you this. Trump said we have the ultimate alternative, hopefully never to be used again. What do you think he was referring to?
B
The. What? We have the what.
A
He says if we don't get a deal signed, we have the ultimate alternative, hopefully never to be used again.
C
A nuclear bomb.
B
The bomb? Yeah, the bomb.
C
He's going to light them up.
B
I don't think he will do that.
C
You don't?
A
Why threaten it? Why threaten it if he's not?
B
To see if they'll come back and say, okay, we agree.
A
What? Let me ask you this. If he does use a nuclear weapon in Iran, what do you think the world's reaction to that will be?
B
We're all done.
C
Might as well get in your bunkers, we're done. We will have no allies. The United States is the big bad. We already are the big bad. But if that happens, like we're, we are the tyrants.
A
Yeah, but even if it doesn't happen, he's threatening to do it. Doesn't that make him a piece of shit?
B
I think he's threatening so they'll say, okay, let's get this done, let's get it over.
A
Imagine that you right now are living in Iran. You're not part of the military, you're just a person going about. You have a job and a family and that's your whole thing. And you've got this idiot, this 80 year old fucking child eating his hot dogs at a ufc, being like, I'm gonna drop a nuclear bomb on you. Imagine living in that country, having that hanging over your head. Like, try to see it from their perspective. And then imagine now the rest of the world sees Donald Trump that way.
C
Yeah, and mind you, he was, you know, we're gonna go liberate the people of Iran. Now he's threatening to annihilate them.
B
I really think he's saying that so that they will say, okay, we give, let's get this done deal.
A
He already did that. Remember when he said that he's going to erase their entire civilization that's also a nuclear bomb threat. He already did it. That was a month ago. That didn't work. So why does he think it's going to work now?
B
Trying again, I guess.
A
No, it's because he's bad at this. You always think that, like he's a great businessman or as you call him, businessman. He's terrible at these things. He can't negotiate. It's why multiple of his companies have gone bankrupt or been sued into non existence. Because he's bad at this. He is a lying, grifting piece of.
B
Let's see what today brings. Never know it's his birthday, maybe he'll get this done. Deal. Okay, deal done.
A
Well done. Speaking of his birthday, let's move on to topic number five. The United States of America is a cage match. As soon as we are done recording UFC Freedom 250 kicks off on the White House South Lawn. A 92 foot tall structure called the Claw was erected on the south lawn to house the octagon and weigh ins were held at the Lincoln Memorial just as the founding fathers intended. On June 9, the Trump Organization in the UFC began selling CO branded commemorative coins ranging from 250 to 12,000 doll bearing Trump's face and Dana White, the president of the UFC's face, listed in the Freedom 250 merchandise section of the UFC store. I'll say that again. The UFC website is selling Donald Trump coins.
C
Like, it's not even funny anymore. It's just a embarrassment.
B
What's wrong with food?
C
We went to another country recently and I just found myself extremely apologetic, embarrassed. I didn't want to tell people I was from the United States.
A
It's grotesque. Trump purchased between $15,000 and $50,000 of TKO stock. That's the company that owns UFC, and according to his May 12 financial disclosure, he has been heavily promoting the event in a clear violation of insider trading laws. Have you, did you watch any of the weigh ins or anything?
C
Yes.
A
Did you see the woman with the bald eagle flying it out over the crowd?
B
No.
A
Did you see them at the Lincoln Memorial?
C
Yes.
A
Like, with Lincoln in the background and the fighters are like bumping chests and.
B
I can't wait to see it. Is it on, like, normal tv, like, any channel? I can get it.
A
Yes.
C
This is the most unintelligent alpha male, like, horseshit redneck representation of, like, a certain sect of the United States. And it's a embarrassment. It's, like, nauseating.
B
I can't wait to see it. I think it'll be fun. The claw.
C
You know, you watch UFC on television, not at the White House.
B
There's been other events there from different presidents. So you guys just hate Trump so bad.
A
Hang on, hang on, mom. Hang on. I have nothing against the UFC as a sport. Whatever fighting is, is. It's been a. An American sport for a long time in many different variations. It's been a sport globally, in all kinds of countries and cultures since the dawn of time. Various forms of fighting. Fine, whatever. The UFC does represent a certain demographic. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't even say, like, demographic. It does, but, like, there's a vibe to it. It's like pro wrestling. And I know it's real fighting, obviously, but the same company owns the WWWE and the UFC. It's. It's the same kind of thing, you know, and it's that vibe of like, let's get drunk and scream at people while they're fighting. And that's fine. If you're into that, that's fine. Do you think that should be happening on the White House lawn on the day we're trying to sign a peace treaty? Trump is at this event. He's not even at the peace treaty. If they're going to sign it at all. This event is more important to him than ending that war.
B
I. He didn't know that today was going to be the day to sign the peace treaty. I'm sure if it really is, he will leave that fight to go sign that.
A
He's already said he won't, that he couldn't make it because of advance.
B
Will go sign it. Somebody will. Somebody's going to sign.
A
He's the fucking President United States. He's going to be watching cage fighting at the White House instead of ending a war.
C
It's the equivalent of like, you know, Erica Kirk putting on her WWE show right after Charlie Kirk got murdered. Like, this is the equivalent of that.
B
What do you guys. What, what would you want to be on the White House lawn other than
C
same it's always been.
B
Oh, a basketball game. Stars and Stripes Forever, whatever.
A
What basketball game? Have they had the NBA Finals in the White House before?
B
No.
A
Okay. Have they had an NFL game even at the White House before?
B
No.
A
Okay. They're having a UFC at the. Literally at the White House. They did weigh ins in front of the statue of Lincoln. Like, it's. This is, this is. There was a movie that Mike Judge made. Huh.
B
It doesn't bug me the way it's bugging you.
C
Should bother you. It's, it's, it is just a cash grab. It is, it is people trying to make money.
B
I'm looking at what other events at the White House.
C
There have been Idiocracy. Go ahead.
A
Yes. There's this Mike Judge movie called Idiocracy where a professional wrestler becomes president. And, and basically we're watching it unfold in real time. Mom, are you with us?
B
Yes.
A
Okay. The bottom line is this to me, like, this was clearly Trump's idea. Dana White is just so far up Trump's ass, he will do anything that man asks of him. So he's like, yep, of course. Supposedly this is at a 60 million dollar loss to the UFC. That the construction of that claw and all the different things that go into making this show at the White House is so prohibitively expensive that they are going to lose $60 million as a company, the UFC. Dana White doesn't care. Yes, Whatever you want, sir. I love you, sir. And he presents himself as this big alpha male, but he's been baited to Donald Trump in a way that I find hilarious. So they're doing this, but it's like there's no part of Dana White that thinks like, nah, this is a bad look. We have to decline this. We can't do a ufc. And he could have, for a million reasons, said, it's not possible. It's going to cost us $60 million. So sorry, blah, blah, blah. Instead, he incurs the loss to do this event. It's like, it's the kid rockification of American politics. You know what I mean? And when the rest of the world looks at that, like, our. Our standing in the world gets, like, put down so many notches because of this. It's a joke. And you don't see it that way.
B
I don't see it as a joke. I do see it as. It's a little bit bizarre. But if this what he wants for the 250th year, freedom and his birthday, who's it hurting? Who is it really hurting, Chad?
A
The country. Our standing in the world is now as a joke. It is the worst parts of America realized through the President. It is self indulgence, aggrandizement. It is just a giant money grab. He's selling a $12,000 coin on the UFC website with his face on it. It.
B
We talked about that.
C
People around the world do not want to travel here anymore on vacations. Like, our tourism industry is probably in the right now. Nobody wants to come here for fear of being deported or, you know, several reasons. It's too expensive. Nobody can afford it anymore. And that's Donald Trump's fault.
B
Well, let's see what happens with this tonight, because I've got a weird feeling.
C
You keep saying exactly what happens. A weird feeling. How? What do you think? Another attempt?
A
Yeah.
B
You know.
C
Yeah.
A
He needs one. He needs one.
C
And it's going to be broadcast everywhere.
A
Yep, yep.
B
He needs one. No, he doesn't.
A
His approval rating is in the toilet. They'll engineer something about it.
B
I thought, why? Why would they have it in an open space like this? It's going to be hard to protect him.
C
Right.
B
There's weirdos out there. I pray that he is going to be safe. Is it bizarre? Yeah, it's kind of bizarre. What it is. It is what it is. Let it happen. Let it go. Let the claw go back to Europe. You know, the claw originated in Europe.
C
But you don't find it interesting that you know all of this talk about, give me the. The bunker in the ballroom, right? Because I'm not safe and I need safety, Literally. Advertising. I'm here on the White House lawn, huge event, A little bit interesting.
B
I have a weird feeling something's gonna go bad. I have a weird feeling. I hope not.
C
It's not a weird feeling. It's just it's pattern. Anytime he's in the tank or anytime he needs pub, there's an attempt.
B
We'll see. I hope not.
C
He might be asleep though. This time we'll see what happens.
A
If there is an assassination attempt at the ufc, will that in. In any way start to convince you that all the assassination attempts are fake?
B
No, I don't think they were.
A
All right, we have one more topic here to get to. It is Trump's big birthday. The little babies turning 80. Happy birthday to Trump.
B
Happy birthday to you.
A
He is turning 80, making him the oldest president in the history of America. And his age has certainly caught up with him. This week he fell asleep again in a televised meeting for the second time in as many weeks. And reporting revealed that Trump saw 22 doctors when he went to Walter Reed on 26 March, I believe, or April. A visit he claimed was a regular physical, his third in just over a year, dying. Why do you think Trump had 22 doctors at a routine physical?
B
Well, I happen to know there are a lot of different specialists. You know, there's urology, there's cardiology, there's.
C
Okay, but when do you see a specialist?
B
Neurology.
C
And what. Why would you go see a specialist
B
if he's having a complete checkup? Overall, there's hearing doctors. There's three of them.
A
Three of them in a year. And this most Recent one had 22 doctors at it.
C
You only see specialists when something is awry. Yeah, you go to a primary care physician for your annual checky up and you get your blood run and they take your blood pressure and all that and you go home and everything's fine. The only reason you see a specialist is when something is wrong. And he had 22 in the room.
B
Are you sure they were specialists or were they just a certain type of doctor?
C
You know, does it matter? 22 doctors, the.
B
Yeah, that's quite a few.
A
I had cancer and at that time I had three doctors.
C
He's dying. He's on his way out.
B
I don't know.
C
He doesn't make it to 81. I hope he doesn't make it to 81.
B
Okay, Donald. I had to research this. Donald Trump is not the oldest president in US History, but holds a specific age record. Joe Biden is the oldest president to ever serve, having left the office in 2025 at the age of 82 and 2 months. However, Trump is the oldest person ever sworn in. He was at 78 and 7 months old when he took the oath of office for his second term in January of 2025. So he really wasn't, like you said, the oldest.
C
I don't even think this.
A
Yeah, he was the oldest person to become president.
C
You got to take a cognitive test, you got to take a physical test, you got to take all kinds of tests to become the president. This should not even be possible.
A
The biggest test in my opinion is simply this. Are you in the Epstein files? If yes, you cannot be president.
C
Correct. Kick him out.
B
Let's see.
C
Are you. Are you partaking insider trading? You're fucking done.
A
Have you sexually assaulted 34 felonies?
C
Yeah, you're done.
B
I have not fact checked this, but I saw this on Instagram and it was by a reputable person that I kind of read under, which was a Republican that said Obama was the one that greenlighted the Mar A Lago raids. He wasn't president then. President Biden was, but it was Obama that said, go for it. Interesting.
A
Where are you finding this?
B
Instagram?
A
Okay.
C
Like I gaff.
A
I want to jump out you. There was a clip you played for me on Wednesday that was like fully AI, And I don't know if you realize that.
C
What was it?
A
What's that?
B
Which one was it?
A
It was one that was talking. I forget what it was talking about, but it was just voice over a video. And a lot of people in the comments are like, that's fully AI. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean it was like the information is bad. And I think a lot of people think if it's AI, it's completely false. And that isn't necessarily true. But that one was anyway, so.
B
And what about Spencer Pratt? What about he lost the votes and the ballots now that they're finding in dumpsters. Interesting.
A
God, he lost. He's a fucking idiot. There is no way he could be married.
B
They threw his ballots in the dumpsters.
C
Isn't it? Do you know, in the history of voting, we've never had any of this shit come up until Donald Trump. It's not legal, it's not real. I didn't lose the election. Like, it's only Donald Trump that has now made you question our voting system?
B
No, I've always questioned it. I have never liked it. I don't like electoral college.
A
Let me ask you this. Why does it seem like the only people whose ballots get thrown in the trash and the only people who are victims of all this are always the Republicans?
C
Right.
B
Was Spencer Pratt running as a Republican?
A
Yes, he's a registered Republican.
B
Huh. Because he was close, that's why. So he's get thrown in the trash.
A
But why does it only ever happen to Republicans?
B
Because they do this to him. The Democrats do it to him.
A
Right. All right. Well, that wraps up our show. I feel like we've taken multiple steps back, but I will say this Wednesday, I'm trying to book a very interesting guest that I think is going to help us take many steps forward. So tune in for that. Also, I'm going to be doing a live today at 4pm PST. Are any of you joining me?
C
I have to go make at the bakery. I cannot, Mom.
B
I. I don't know yet.
A
It's probably just going to be me holding it down. I will be answering questions as of this recording. It's. It's 1102am here. Does that mean that it started? Has the UFC started?
B
You might miss the claw.
A
I think it might have started already. I might check out a little bit of it and I'll be able to talk about that at 4 today if you want to join me. But thanks for watching. And before we go, as always, hey, Lee, I love you. I hope you make good items at your bakery. Mom. Despite the fact that I really thought we were making a lot of progress, today seemed like a backslide. I do love you. And Wednesday, I think you're going to take some big steps forward.
B
It's going to be peppermint. Peppermint coming on.
A
It ain't peppermint.
B
I love you, Chad. Love you, Haley.
A
Mom.
C
I love you, Chad. I love you. Tell dad hello. And we love him.
A
Tell Father hello.
B
I will.
A
All right. We will see you on Wednesday. And I'll see you at 4pm PST today. Thanks for joining us.
B
Bye.
Podcast Summary
Episode Title: Trillionaire
Date: June 14, 2026
Theme: Family therapy through politics—an intergenerational family debate tackling America’s political, economic, and cultural rifts in the post-2024 era.
In this episode, Chad Kolchin (host), his mom, and his sister Haley (co-hosts) dive into the chaotic social and political landscape shaping their personal and family lives. Against the backdrop of escalating national division, this episode covers Elon Musk’s trillionaire status, U.S. political maneuverings, the handling of the Epstein files, war in Iran, Trump’s relationship to the UFC, and the president’s health. The tone is combative, personal, and at times humorous, underscoring the difficulties of forging consensus even within a single family.
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| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote/Exchange | |-----------|---------|----------------| | 01:21 | B (Mom) | “It's not socialism. It's wanting everyone to have healthcare.” | | 06:58 | C (Haley) | “You eat animals, therefore you are not a vegetarian.” | | 08:58 | C (Haley) | “This is why billionaires should not exist beyond a certain amount of money. You don't fucking need it, you don't fucking require it...” | | 10:45 | A (Chad) | “That's our money. He just stole it.” | | 17:09 | A (Chad quoting Trump) | “No, I love it. The numbers were great. You know what I really love? I love the inflation.” | | 24:19 | C (Haley) | “You believe Newsmax immediately… but this, for some reason, is just not credible.” | | 28:36 | A (Chad) | “They used the White House Situation Room to come up with strategies to lie to us about the biggest criminal conspiracy in the history of United States government.” | | 41:05 | C (Haley) | “We will have no allies. The United States is the big bad. We already are the big bad. But if that happens, like we are the tyrants.” | | 44:37 | C (Haley) | “This is the most unintelligent alpha male, like, horseshit redneck representation...and it's a embarrassment. It's, like, nauseating.” | | 49:25 | A (Chad) | “It is the worst parts of America realized through the President. It is self indulgence, aggrandizement. It is just a giant money grab.” |
This episode is a microcosm of America’s broader culture war—a mix of personal, generational, and ideological friction, featuring sincere attempts at understanding, comedy, and frustration. The family's sincere love is repeatedly tested by irreconcilable beliefs about wealth, power, media, and what the country should be. The recurring themes are mistrust of institutions, the corrosive impact of unaccountable power, and the personal anguish of disagreeing about existential national stakes.
The episode closes with the family expressing love for each other, even as the next round of debate—and perhaps progress—looms.