Trump Vs. Women Journalists

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Necessary Conversation — "Trump Vs. Women Journalists" (May 13, 2026)

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Overview

In this midweek episode of The Necessary Conversation, the host (A) and his mother (B) delve into Donald Trump's interactions with women journalists, his dismissive rhetoric around American financial struggles amid the Iran war, and the increasing prevalence of AI-generated political content. The episode is framed as a form of "family therapy through politics," with B representing a steadfast Trump supporter grappling—sometimes reluctantly—with new information and perspectives.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

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1. Trump’s Attitude Toward Americans’ Financial Hardship

(Segment begins around 01:45)

• The host plays a recent clip of Trump, where he bluntly states that he doesn’t consider Americans’ financial difficulties while negotiating with Iran, saying his only priority is preventing Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.

  • Trump (impersonated):

    "Not even a little bit. The only thing that matters when I'm talking about Iran, they can't have a nuclear weapon. I don't think about American financial situation. I don't think about anybody. I think about one thing. We cannot let Iran have a nuclear weapon."
    — [02:01]

• The host challenges B, pointing out that most Americans do not own stock, making Trump’s touting of a record-high market irrelevant for many. He frames Trump's approach as manipulative, designed to benefit insiders.

• B is conflicted—part of her understands Trump’s logic, focusing on existential threats over economics. However, she admits Trump “didn’t state it right” and expresses disappointment in his cold wording.

  • B (on Trump's comment):

    "He should have said, yes, I do feel for them and yes, it is part of this, but I have to get rid of the nuclear first. He didn't state it right."
    — [03:34]

• The host pushes B, asking if a president should be so single-minded, and B concedes:

  "No."
  — [07:39]

• Ultimately, despite disagreements, B reaffirms:

  "No, he needs to be our president."
  — [07:44]

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2. AI Political Ads & “Spencer Pratt for Mayor”

(Segment starts at 08:02—light interlude)

• B introduces a bizarre, AI-generated political ad featuring Spencer Pratt and parodying LA politics.

• They laugh at the absurdity and discuss how Trump normalized this meme-driven, AI-laced political communication style.

  • A:

    "Trump has normalized this type of a video...to use it for your political strategies, your political campaigns."
    — [11:12]

• B found the ad amusing but ultimately deems it “stupid” and unpersuasive for real campaigning:

  "If he wants to save LA, he needs to do it a different way. Not with AI weird clips like that."
  — [11:39]

• The host argues candidates posting AI content is dangerous and unserious, while B agrees presidents shouldn’t be doing it.

• They comment on Trump’s earlier “jet” video and note a growing double standard in public reaction to Trump vs. other figures’ digital content:

  "Donald Trump can make a video where he’s dropping shit on people... But then if Jimmy Kimmel makes one joke, get rid of him."
  — [13:12]

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3. Montage: Trump’s Treatment of Women Journalists

(Main segment starts at 14:27; montage at 14:52)

• The host presents a compilation of Trump’s recent and past derogatory interactions with female reporters (e.g., calling questions “terrible,” calling women “obnoxious,” “dumb,” and “not smart”).

  • Notable Trump Quotes:
    • "It's not the question that I mind. It’s your attitude. I think you are a terrible reporter."
      — [15:39]
    • "You are an obnoxious... terrible... actually a terrible reporter."
      — [16:15]
    • “You are the worst reporter. No one... CNN has no ratings because of people like you... I don't think I've ever seen you smile."
      — [16:53]
    • "That's what made our country great... You dumb person. Double the size. You are not a smart person."
      — [18:02]

• The host situates these clips in the context of Trump’s history with women journalists (including referencing the 2016 Megyn Kelly “bleeding” comment and the Access Hollywood tape).

• B is clearly disturbed:

  "Yeah, it’s very degrading. It's not... It's very degrading."
  — [19:37]

• The host argues Trump doesn’t treat male reporters this way:

  "Are there any that he does that to men?... Not like this."
  — [19:34]

• B agrees Trump is deflecting criticism and admits:

  "It's very degrading, and that's not right."
  — [20:34]

• When pressed if this behavior affects her support:

  "He's still my president."
  — [20:45]

• B acknowledges Trump’s rhetorical degradation has gotten worse as his presidency has gone on and as he “gets more agitated with things.”

  "I think some of that has gotten worse though, right? With maybe time in office, as he's getting more agitated with things, then he starts spewing stuff like that."
  — [20:50]

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4. Trump’s Cognitive/Mental Decline & Double Standards

(Around 21:16 and after)

• The host describes Trump’s recent frenetic online posting, suggesting drastic mental decline.
• B at first hedges, continuing with “he’s still my president,” but the host points out she would never defend Biden for similar lapses.
• They debate “who is really running the country.” B claims Trump is still in charge while dismissing Biden as being managed by others, but the host provides counter-examples (Elon Musk’s early White House presence).
• Though B offers defenses, the conversation highlights her cognitive dissonance and differing standards for Trump vs. other politicians.

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5. War Profiteering & Economic Fallout

(Segment starts around 23:41)

• The discussion shifts to allegations that Trump and associates are profiteering off the Iran war, manipulating markets with well-timed announcements.
• The host insists this is not normal (“No, it isn’t”) and cites specific cases of market manipulation; B reluctantly acknowledges the possibility but minimizes its uniqueness.

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6. Healthcare System Realities and Socialism

(From 26:56 onwards)

• B, dealing with her husband’s (Bob’s) rehab insurance battles, rails against the American healthcare system, calling for universal access.
  • B:

    "Everybody deserves a right for health care."
    — [27:04]

    • Host points out this is, by definition, socialism.
    • B replies:

      "I don't know if that's called socialism. Everybody needs to have the right to have a doctor and be taken care of..."
      — [27:16]

• The host draws a line to Obama-era reforms and notes Trump seeks to gut them for personal financial gain (e.g., $10B IRS lawsuit set to make Trump immune from audits/prosecution).
• B is exasperated but stops short of rejecting Trump.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• B on her limits for supporting Trump:

  "If he was in the Epstein files and proven guilty, he would not be my president. And number two, if Maxwell gets pardoned, if he does that."
  — [26:01]

• A:

  "He has to be a convicted pedophile or release a convicted pedophile from prison. That's your bar for not supporting the guy."
  — [26:15]

• B (on nuclear weapons use):

  "Yes, [I’d stop supporting him]. That would be a third thing. Yes."
  — [26:44]

• A (closing):

  "So right now you’re in a personal situation where you’re being affected by his bad, greedy decisions... but he’s still your president so far."
  — [30:46]

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Episode Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment Description | |-----------|----------------------------------------------------| | 01:45 | Trump’s dismissive remarks about Americans & Iran | | 08:02 | AI political ad with Spencer Pratt | | 11:12 | Discussion on AI memes and Trump’s normalization | | 14:27 | Montage intro: Trump vs. women journalists | | 14:52 | Montage plays | | 19:34 | B acknowledges difference in Trump’s tone with women| | 20:59 | Discussion of Trump’s mental decline | | 23:41 | War profiteering & market manipulation | | 26:56 | Healthcare discussion | | 27:31 | B’s firsthand insurance company struggle | | 30:17 | Trump sues IRS/American taxpayers | | 31:00 | Wrap-up & next episode preview |

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Final Thoughts

The episode pushes B to confront discrepancies in her support for Trump, especially when faced with degrading treatment of women and policies that now personally affect her. However, her loyalty proves resilient, as only the most egregious possible hypotheticals (i.e., criminal conviction, Maxwell pardon, nuclear escalation) would sway her. The discussion also highlights how AI is reshaping political communication, and how personal experience can shift even the most ardent supporters’ perspectives—at least a little.

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Transcript

[A]

Welcome to the Necessary Conversation midweek edition. Today, it's me and my mom. Hi.

[B]

Hi. I'm here. Hello.

[A]

Hi. Hello. We're gonna be playing some videos as we always do on these midweek shows on Sunday. Mom, we talked about the clips of Donald Trump treating female reporters very badly. You said I need to see that.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I have put together a montage of exactly those clips.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So I'm going to play those for you.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I also have, before we get to that, a clip from earlier this week. Donald Trump essentially saying that he doesn't care about Americans and their financial strife that he's creating. And, mom, you have sent me a clip of former deputy director of the FBI, but he quit because he couldn't hack it. Dan Bongino, who has returned to podcasting, and he's talking about Spencer Pratt, I think. Who. Who is your.

[B]

I kind of like Spencer Pratt, but when I saw this clip, I kind of like him. But when I saw the CL clip, it was like it caught my attention. But then it was a very bizarre clip. But I liked it. So for a laugh, I would. It was all AI, but I liked it and I wanted to show it and laugh a little bit.

[A]

Okay, so there you go. We're gonna watch these clips. We're gonna have this discussion. So let's begin with. I want to show you this clip from earlier this week because you've kind of also been out of the news cycle, right? You're not watching Newsmax this week. You've been obviously inundated with dealing with dad and everything that's going on there. So this is kind of big news. It's gone around. This is a reporter asking him about basically the financial situation in America as a result of the Iran war, how prices for everything are going up, prices for fuels going up. And this is what he had to say. Are you ready?

[B]

I'm ready. Where am I watching it? Oh, right.

[A]

Right here.

[B]

Right here. Where am I watching it? This is.

[A]

When you're negotiating with Iran, Mr. President,

[B]

to what extent are American financial situations motivating you to make it deal?

[C]

Not even a little bit. The only thing that matters when I'm talking about Iran, they can't have a nuclear weapon. I don't think about American financial situation. I don't think about anybody. I think about one thing. We cannot let Iran have a nuclear weapon.

[A]

That's all.

[C]

That's the only thing that

[A]

you say

[B]

earlier, that the only thing that matters to you when it comes to Iran is a nuclear weapon. You're not Considering the financial impact of

[C]

this war on Americans, most important thing by far, including whether our stock market, which by the way is at an all time high, but including whether or not our stock market goes up or down a little bit, the most important thing by far is Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon.

[B]

What about the pressure on Americans and prices right now?

[C]

Every American understand how they're feeling about. Every American. Are you, are you listening to me? Every American understands. And they, they would just had a poll like 85%, which is surprising. It's only that they understand that Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon.

[A]

Okay, so that was from earlier this week. He's essentially asked by a reporter, does the American financial situation, the burden that we are all incurring as Americans, does that come into your mind at all while you're trying to negotiate the end of the Iran war? And he says, no, I don't think about the Americans and their financial situation at all. How do you feel about him saying that?

[B]

Part of me said kind of yes, what he said, but part of me was thinking no. If they have a nuclear weapon and get us with it, does financial rolling matter? No. So in his mind he has to get rid of that big thing so that then we all can prosper and live well. So I understand what he's saying, but when she outright said, what about the United States and the people here, he should have said, yes, I do feel for them and yes, it is part of this, but I have to get rid of the nuclear first. He didn't state it right.

[A]

He didn't, but you can't. This is an excuse you give for Trump a lot. He should have said this. He didn't state it right. But he's the president, right.

[B]

I think he has one mission now and make sure that they can't bomb us. So kind of how he said it was not the correct way to say it.

[A]

But he has already said that he obliterated their nuclear program. Well, he said that last year.

[B]

That was early on, but now they do have the stuff back to make one. So.

[A]

But no one is saying that he

[B]

didn't say it correct.

[A]

But everybody, all intelligence officials are saying, we have no evidence that they have nuclear capabilities. He's using that as a way to convince people like you, the rest of the MAGA base, using it basically as a party line to justify this war, which he's using to manipulate the stock market so him and his buddies can make billions of dollars.

[B]

I truly believe he does care about our economy. He cares about the American people. He Wants to get.

[A]

He just said he doesn't care about either of those things.

[B]

He said the number one thing is to get rid of that bomb over there. That's what he.

[A]

But he said he's not even thinking about the Americans financial situation.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then he touts the stock market as being like higher than it ever. I don't even know if that's true. But even if it is, I don't remember what the stat is. But most Americans do not own stock.

[B]

Most, yeah, we don't much. No.

[A]

So the stock market is irrelevant. He's looking at that because him and his buddies are making fuckloads of money off of these giant swings that the stock market is taking because of what he's doing in this war.

[B]

Like I said, I'm going to stick my ground on this. And he said it incorrectly. I really believe that his job is to stop this bomb from happening because if it does send over this way

[A]

and kill us, the bomb doesn't exist. Okay, but I'm saying like in this clip when he's saying that he doesn't care about Americans and their financial situation, that he doesn't even think about it when he's doing whatever negotiations he's doing.

[B]

Which by the way, he shouldn't have said it that way. Yeah, that's not good.

[A]

Okay, so I'm just. These things that I'm showing you, these are just things he's saying. So far from Sunday to now, you have disagreed with everything he has done.

[B]

I did see that little clip. Like it was like, I don't know, it was late last night or day before. So I did see him say that and I was like, what?

[A]

Yeah, everybody's saying that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think he's turning off a lot of the MAGA base. He's turning off a lot of Republican voters by having this attitude and just expressing it openly. That is how he feels. You're saying like he misstated it. He should have said it another way, but. Which means to me. You think he doesn't believe that?

[B]

No, I mean, I think his number one mission is the number one mission to stop them from having that bomb.

[A]

Okay, but like shouldn't there be a number two mission? Even if you believe the bomb is real, which it's not.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Shouldn't the financial well being of every American citizen be somewhere on his radar?

[B]

Yes. And he didn't say that.

[A]

So you would say maybe that's a bad president.

[B]

Well, it's a bad statement that he made it that way.

[A]

Yes, but that's what he thinks.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He isn't thinking about Americans and their financial situation. And by the way, he created the financial situation.

[B]

Sometimes, though, very smart people and very businesslike like that. It's just one thing. Tunnel vision, focus. And that's where he is.

[A]

But should a president be like that?

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So you think he shouldn't be president?

[B]

No, he needs to be our president.

[A]

Okay. I tried to get you there.

[B]

I know.

[A]

I was very close there. All right, good trick. Do you want to watch your clip next, or do you want to watch this montage that I put together of him treating women terribly?

[B]

Oh, gosh, do I really want to see that?

[A]

You have to. Let's watch your clip next.

[B]

The funny one next. Yeah.

[A]

And then we can end with this montage I've made. So this is Dan Bongino introducing a clip of Spencer Pratt. It's like almost all AI or it's all AI.

[B]

I think Spencer Pratt has some, like, digital. Digital company now making him all kinds of ads. And some. Some are quite funny, but they do catch your eye.

[A]

You showed me one last night. That was 100 AI of him and Heidi Montag walking through, like, the.

[B]

The LA fire stuff. Yeah.

[A]

Absolutely bizarre. All right, this is your Dan Bongino clip. Here we go. I want you to check this out. Maybe one of the greatest things I have ever seen and remember the entire time. Snapshots and sound bites. And you'll see why this is so effective. Check this out.

[B]

Effective? Please, I'm begging you. There's homeless drug addicts in front of the schools. My children aren't safe.

[A]

Look, if you were a transgender migrant, I could get you a free. Let's move the drug addicts closer.

[B]

Bass already solved crime. I endorse her next. My lord.

[A]

That's Joe Rogan.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

I. I just want to rebuild my home.

[A]

It's been over a year.

[B]

Yes. That's the mayor of la. Mom, look as the joker, isn't it?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And Spencer Pratt is like a Batman kind of figure.

[B]

Fighting. Fighting for the freedom.

[A]

This is a machine. If we want to burn this town to the ground, who throw that? I think feel so close. You can do it, Spencer.

[B]

Oh, my lord. Boom. La is worth saving.

[A]

Holy Moses.

[C]

That's the greatest thing ever.

[A]

Even Justin's not even a dancer.

[C]

Justin's like a six foot two gringo.

[A]

He's got. He's got hips like a fire hydrant.

[C]

You know, Shakira's hips don't lie. Justin's hips lie all the time. And Justin's up there dancing.

[A]

That is the single greatest.

[C]

I can't call it AD because I don't. I don't think it was.

[A]

I think someone just put it together through AI and you may be like, well, it's over the top. The Batman thing. No, that thing was everywhere yesterday.

[C]

Look at the chat. Going effing bananas.

[B]

He thinks someone.

[A]

He's like, maybe it was AI. Or maybe they got Gavin Newsom and Spencer Pratt and now that is bizarre.

[B]

But you always say that Trump makes weird ones. That one is insane. Crazy.

[A]

Yeah, but that is because of what is Trump, what Trump is doing. Trump has normalized this type of a video, this type of thing, to use it for your political strategies, your political campaigns, whatever. And so you watch this now and you're like, this is great. I'll vote for Spencer.

[B]

I didn't think it was.

[A]

You said you want Spencer Pratt to win the election.

[B]

What's catching my eye are these weird little clips. Now that's stupid. That clip was stupid. It was ridiculous. If he wants to save la, he needs to do it a different way. Not with AI weird clips like that. That was ridiculous.

[A]

Then why did you send me this to play?

[B]

I thought it was funny.

[A]

Okay, sure, it's bizarre. Yeah, Bizarre funny in that it exists. But you have told me that you want Spencer Pratt to win this election, to be the next mayor of Los Angeles.

[B]

I think he may not be bad.

[A]

Are you out of your mind? Did you see that?

[B]

Well, but that clip, maybe he didn't make. Maybe someone else made it. I don't know.

[A]

I'm sure he's using it as part of his campaign. You showed me the other one that he did.

[B]

The other one wasn't that bad. It was about the LA fires, had to pick up the children. Oh, my goodness.

[A]

All AI.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This is obviously more exaggerated and insane. You have like, the Maravella is the

[B]

Joker and Gavin Newsom with those things. That's not good.

[A]

Yeah, right. But your, your kind of, like, willingness to accept that this type of a video can be part of now a. A top of the line American political campaign is because of Trump. Remember when he did the video of, like, he's flying a jet, dropping shit on people?

[B]

Yes. That's kind of started it. Yeah. And you and Haley were losing your mind over that.

[A]

Yeah. Because presidents shouldn't do that. No, no. I mean, there's a kind of like, at least in my opinion, there is a necessity for any American political candidate or anybody who holds political office in America to be perceived as and to promote the idea that they are serious people doing serious business who take things seriously.

[B]

That makes everything corny. That last one was corny. Yeah.

[A]

But it also is this weird double standard of, like, Donald Trump can make a video where he's dropping shit on people, and we're all supposed to just be like, yeah, it's great. It's just a joke. But then if Jimmy Kimmel makes one joke, get rid of him. Get rid of abc, revoke their license.

[B]

Right. So where do you start? Where do you stop? Do you stop with AI? Do you stop with words coming out of people's mouth that are real?

[A]

Yeah, I don't think any president should ever be, or any political candidate for that matter, should ever be posting anything made with AI.

[B]

Yeah, I. I don't.

[A]

Why would they?

[B]

Yeah, I don't either. Like you said, the flag. He. What? Trump had a flag with the wrong number of lines in and stuff and.

[A]

Yeah. The wrong number of stripes.

[B]

Stripes.

[A]

All the AI stuff they're doing with his uno.

[B]

So who's doing that?

[A]

I think they have a team at the White House.

[B]

Well, they're not very good.

[A]

Yeah, correct. But that whole idea is we're in this world now where Trump has made it acceptable for political candidates or. Or people who even hold office to use this kind of AI stuff to either make you laugh or whatever, but you're. Now it's working on you. You like Spencer Pratt because of these AI videos.

[B]

The very first one I saw of him was not this weird. It was a different one, and it wasn't this weird. But now that I saw that, that's kind of weird. Yeah.

[A]

Okay, let's check out. This is. I put together this montage last night. So this will have the dates and the. The reporters who are being insulted by Trump. It's a little bit longer than either clip we've watched. Let's watch the whole thing, then we'll discuss it. Ready?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I know nothing about that. It would have announced that a long time ago. It's really. What did he mean when he spent all the time with Bill Clinton, with the President of Harvard? You know, that is Summers, Larry Summers, whatever his name is, and all of the other people that he spent time with. Jeffrey Epson and I had a very bad relationship for many years, but he also saw Strike because I was president, so he dictated a couple of members to himself. Give me a break. You're going to find out. What did he know with respect to Bill Clinton, with respect to the head of Harvard, with respect to all of Those people that he knew, including J.P. morgan scholars.

[A]

Mr. President, why wait for Congress to release the Epstein files?

[C]

Why not just do it now? It's not the question that I mind. It's your attitude. I think you are a terrible reporter. It's the way you ask these questions. You start off with a man who's highly respected asking him a horrible, insubordinate and just a terrible question. And you could even ask that same exact question nicely. You're all psyched. Somebody psyched you over at abc. They're going to psych it. You're a terrible person and a terrible reporter.

[B]

Are you committed to releasing the full video?

[C]

Didn't I just tell you that you said that it was up to the secretary of the obnoxious reporter in the whole place. Let me just tell you, you are an obnoxious. A terrible. Actually a terrible reporter.

[B]

A lot of women who were are survivors of Epstein's are unhappy with those redactions that came out. Some of them entire witness interviews are totally blacked out. Do you think that they should be more transparent?

[C]

The fact that they thought they released too much? You know, I heard that and you tell me something else, but I think it's time now for the country to maybe get onto something else. Like don't they have something that people care about? Yeah. What, what did you say?

[A]

What would you.

[B]

What would you say to the survivors?

[C]

You are the worst reporter. No one to see. CNN has no ratings because of people like you. You know, she's a young woman. I don't think I've ever seen you smile. I've known you for 10 years. I don't think I've ever seen a smile.

[B]

I'm asking you about survivors.

[C]

You know why you're not smiling? Because you know you're not telling the truth. And you're. You're a very dishonest organization and they should be ashamed of you. We're fixing up the reflecting pond to the Lincoln Memorial, the Washington Monument. And you say, why are you fixing it up? Because you can understand dirt maybe better than I can, but I don't allow it. This is one of the worst reporters. She's with ABC Fake News and she's a horror show. She's saying, why would you bother fixing this up? Why would I bother taking 11 or 12 truckloads of filth out of the water in front of the Lincoln Monument? That's what made our country great. Beauty made our country great. People made our country great. A question like that is a disgrace to our country. We have a Ballroom. That's under budget. It's going up right here. I've doubled the size of it because we obviously need that and we're right now on budget. Under budget and ahead of scale. I doubled the size of it, you dumb person. Double the size. You are. You are not a smart person.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Okay, so that was a montage. And that wasn't even all of them.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

That was just a few videos from the last year. You can go back to Megan Kelly, remember when she was a moderator for the presidential debates in 20 leading into the 2016 election? And he said that line about she's

[C]

bleeding out of her eyes. She's bleeding out of her whatever.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That's where, at least in the modern era, it all kind of started. But you can even go all the way back to the excess Hollywood tape.

[C]

I grab him.

[B]

Okay, okay, okay.

[A]

My question to you is, after watching this, you claimed on Sunday you hadn't seen this, the most recent clip where he called that reporter a dumb person.

[B]

Was that the same woman, the dark headed lady there a couple times and was that the same reporter that.

[A]

I don't know. I do believe somebody was. Was mentioned twice in it.

[B]

Yeah, I think it was. Maybe.

[A]

Was Rachel Scott in there? Yeah, Rachel Scott was in there a

[B]

couple times and he called her in that montage.

[A]

But the idea is on Sunday you said you hadn't seen the clip. You need to see the clip. You've seen at least the most recent one, which was the one where he called. Yeah, I believe it was a Caleb Gardner, a dumb person. In addition to all of these other clips. You see how he treats women.

[B]

Are there any that he does that to men?

[A]

Not like this.

[B]

Yeah, it's very degrading. It's not. It's very degrading. When he started with the. Miss the piggy, you know. But you called dad piggy then. See? Yeah, but because he did. I know it's not right.

[A]

I would never say quiet piggy to anyone.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But he did it. And I wanted to show you and dad how disrespectful that is.

[B]

It is. And you know how you say I deflect all the time? He's deflecting when he's saying you're a bad person.

[A]

Of course. Because they're at. I mean, one of those clips, the Kaitlan Collins one, she's asking him about the survivors of the Epstein of Epstein's crimes.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Being their stuff basically getting doxed in the first reveal in the first dump of documents from the Epstein files. And he Immediately is like, we should be moving on. America should be talking about something else.

[C]

You're a stupid person.

[B]

I do remember that. I do remember that. Or he said, we should move on from it. Yeah.

[A]

So you seem to be affected by this to some degree.

[B]

Yeah, I, I hadn't seen some of those. And it's very degrading, and that's not right.

[A]

Okay, and so as a result of that, what is your conclusion?

[B]

He's still my president. He's still leading our country right now.

[A]

Yeah, but, but that can't be any.

[B]

I think some of that has gotten worse though, right? With maybe time in office, as he's getting more agitated with things, then he starts spewing stuff like that.

[A]

Of course, I mean, shit, I don't know if it was last night or the night before. He did like 40 or 50 posts on Truth Social from the hours of 1am to 4am and it's just wild, crazy shit. Retweeting AI things, retweeting misinformation, blah, blah, blah. The man is, is going through drastic mental decline.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And I, I, you and dad, you know, obviously ignore that.

[B]

I'm not ignoring it now.

[A]

You just said, he's still my president. But would you have said that about Joe Biden when he was president?

[B]

Well, Joe Biden was always asleep, and

[A]

Donald Trump has fallen asleep multiple times. You want to do that next Wednesday? I'll put together those. He just did it this week. He fell asleep in another meeting. And then the official White House, one of the official White House response accounts came out with a still image of him like this.

[B]

The White House, what did they say?

[A]

They were like, he's blinking. They actually said, he's blinking, you morons. Or something like that. They called whoever brought this to people's attention morons. But there's video of it. His fucking eyes are closed. He is nodding off and, like, waking back up. He's done that dozens of times, Right? We've talked about it on the show.

[B]

Yeah. This is why he will not run again. He will not have another term. He will not.

[A]

But it's. It's beyond him not running again. When I say, you know, you wouldn't feel this way about Joe Biden because you keep saying he's my president, so I have to support him. But you wouldn't feel this way about Joe Biden. Then you say, well, Joe Biden was asleep from the beginning. I'm like, trump is also asleep. And you're like, well, that doesn't matter.

[B]

Joe Biden had other people Running our country, too. Joe Biden had Jill running the country, Obama running the country. He has other people around him that are better.

[A]

Donald Trump, for the first six months of his presidency, literally sat in a chair while Elon Musk stood over him and gave every press conference and made every decision.

[B]

I don't think Elon Musk did.

[A]

You don't remember the press conference where Elon Musk's little kid, he's holding his little kid in the press conference and says, you're not the president.

[B]

Yes, I do remember that. Yes. Well, where's Elon Musk now? He's not there.

[A]

So he bailed because he realized this wasn't going to work. His Tesla stock was tanking because of all the. That he was doing. People were blowing up Tesla cars and vandalizing Tesla dealerships. So he got the out, just like Bongino.

[B]

But now he's better. I mean, now his. Everything that he's doing is great. Who, Elon Musk?

[A]

I wouldn't quite say that. I'm just trying to use these examples to illustrate to you. These, you have these kind of like the psychological defenses for why Trump is somehow better than Biden. But he's doing all the same things Biden is doing and he's making things worse for Americans than Biden ever did. Right now the cost of stuff is higher than it ever was under Biden,

[B]

but that's because of the war.

[A]

He started the war.

[B]

Once we get this war done, that will all come back. That will all come back and be better.

[A]

He started the war. He did. Against or without any congressional approval. No one got a say in that. He just did it.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And now he's using it to say, oh, there's going to be a ceasefire. Oh, cease fires off. Oh, we're bombing their ships up. They don't have any ships. Every time he makes an announcement, the stock market goes one way or the other.

[B]

I know.

[A]

And people are trading off of that like 15 minutes before he makes the announcement.

[B]

That's not brand new. That's. In any war that happens with the economy that way.

[A]

No, it isn't.

[B]

I do believe it is.

[A]

People are not making massive. I mean, you saw, we even talked about this. There was one guy who made a trade on polymarket, who was part of the team of military guys that kidnapped

[B]

Maduro and he got caught. Yeah. Making the trade.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So you don't think there's massive amounts of other people that are not getting caught?

[B]

Probably. But, I mean, even in Vegas, you can bet on anything in any day that you want.

[A]

No, that's not true.

[B]

In Las Vegas, I could pick up a phone and bet on anything today.

[A]

You can't bet on. Are we going to have a ceasefire in Las Vegas?

[B]

I think you could.

[A]

You can't. Those are only on these. These new things that have kind of emerged. Poly Market and Kalshi, these prediction markets there. You can bet on everything.

[B]

You could. Okay. Yeah. I. I don't know. I don't know. He's still my president. I'm. He's still going, let's get the war over, see how things go.

[A]

Okay. But he's not getting the war over.

[B]

He will.

[A]

We're in week 10 of it.

[B]

He will.

[A]

But I'm. I want you to, like, kind of focus on what has happened this week. You're off of Newsmax. It's almost like a drug being taken out of your system.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You haven't seen even these clips that I'm showing you of him calling reporters dumb and stuff. This is the first time you're seeing it.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And so you're starting to have this. This moment, I feel like, where you're. I don't know, you're not fully turning. Because you keep saying, he's my president, he's my president, but at the very least, you're starting to disagree with literally everything I have shown you for the past week that he has done. You disagree with it all.

[B]

I've noticed this. Yes. I have noticed this. Yes.

[A]

So what will it take? How much more has to be heaped onto that pile?

[B]

Remember I said a number one thing. If he was in the Epstein files and proven guilty, he would not be my president. And number two, if Maxwell gets pardoned, if he does that.

[A]

So those are the final things.

[B]

Those are a couple of them.

[A]

He has to be a convicted pedophile or release a convicted pedophile from prison. That's your bar for not supporting the guy.

[B]

I would say the pardon of Maxwell would do it for me.

[A]

Okay. What if he uses a nuclear weapon in Iran?

[B]

I think we're all screwed at that point.

[A]

Right. But would you stop supporting him?

[B]

Yes. We would probably be dead from other countries at that point.

[A]

So you would stop supporting him if he uses a nuclear weapon?

[B]

Yes. That would be a third thing. Yes. For sure.

[A]

So there are some things that are for you, even beyond the scope of support. Blind support of this guy?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Despite all this stuff I'm showing.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Well.

[B]

And in regard, you know, we've talked about health care. I'm not a socialist, but Everybody deserves a right for health care.

[A]

That's socialism.

[B]

And, well, and you need.

[A]

Wait, wait, wait. And, well, but hang on a minute. You're saying I'm not a socialist, but then you're like, I do, though, want socialized health care. That's socialism.

[B]

I don't know if that's called socialism. Everybody needs to have the right to have a doctor and be taken care of and have an advocate that helps you figure this out, because there are none here. There are none.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

What I'm going through now with your father, it is like, yes, but it shouldn't have taken me to be in this position to know this, but it did.

[A]

Okay? And that's fine. And I think that that's a. I think that's a very common thing with most MAGA people. It's. It's hard for you to look outside your immediate life to find empathy for anybody in a situation that you yourself are not personally in.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You are in that now. You are seeing firsthand that the medical system in America has nothing to do with doctors or patients. It is completely run by insurance companies.

[B]

Insurance companies.

[A]

They make every decision.

[B]

That is correct.

[A]

So like dad right now, Bob, for those watching the show, he's in a rehab facility trying to get better, to get back on his feet. And the decision about how long he should stay in this place is not made by the doctor, is not made by the patient. It is made only by the insurance company who has a bottom line about profits. That's all that matters. That's how the entire American medical system is run. Right.

[B]

And we will be kicked out of the rehab facility next week sometime. Yeah, they've given us one date, but we might have an extra date because of his heart event where he crashed in front of my eyes and we had to go to the heart hospital and back. So we might get one more day in rehab and we won't know.

[A]

But so, like taking just this as an example, if you look at what Obama did with Obamacare, he got more people on health insurance so that they would have some kind of access to medical care.

[B]

But then the policies went sky high too, where people couldn't even afford them.

[A]

But I don't think that is tried to dismantle Obamacare.

[B]

Right.

[A]

With no plan in place to have anything to replace.

[B]

We need a brand new plan. We need a brand new plan.

[A]

But Trump and all of his billionaire buddies make money off of this. He's friends with the CEOs of these health insurance companies who, again, don't give a about Anyone except the CEO of that company.

[B]

We need a brand new plan.

[A]

This is why Luigi Mangioni killed the CEO of UnitedHealthcare.

[B]

Right, right. We need a brand new plan.

[A]

And what would that plan be?

[B]

I don't know. That everybody can walk into a hospital and have care.

[A]

Okay. And so let me ask you this. Donald Trump is now suing the United States for $10 billion. The IRS. Right. It's looking very much like that is going to be settled. He's going to get billions of dollars of taxpayer money out of that settlement. And part of the settlement that he's seeking is to have none of his family or himself ever be able to be audited by the irs. So all of his tax returns, any kind of illegal they've ever done, can never be prosecuted because it will never be able to be audited. That's what he's trying to get done.

[B]

We'll have to talk about that one.

[A]

Yeah, but think about this. That $10 billion that he's going to

[B]

just take out health care.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Or the billions that we're doing every day in the war. Health.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Yes, I hear you.

[A]

So right now you're in a personal situation where you're being affected by his bad, greedy decisions, where he's just making as much money as he can get for himself and his family, and it is costing you, literally, in this case, potentially time for dad in this rehab center.

[B]

Right, Right.

[A]

But he's still your president so far. Okay, well, that's gonna do it for today. It's a little bit of a shorter episode, but thank you for joining us. We will be back Sunday.

[B]

Haley will be here, I think so.

[A]

Haley will be joining us on Sunday, so it'll be us three again talking about the big political issues of the week, not the least of which is Trump trying to get that IRS settlement. Who knows if he's going to be able to get it or not? I know there's a lot of, like, legal pushback and stuff, but if he does get it, he will be immune from any kind of prosecution or even investigation into any of his financial dealings, which I think is absolutely abysmal.

[B]

We'll have to talk about that.

[A]

All right, we'll see you on Sunday. Thanks.

[B]

I love you, Chad.

[A]

Oh, sorry.

[B]

I love you.

[A]

Too long. Wait for all of us.

[B]

Yeah. I love you, Chad.

[A]

I love you, too.

[B]

Love you, Bob. Thank you for all the dms. They're very nice. Thank you.