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Chad Colchin
In the Aftermath of the 2024 election, America is even more divided than before. Half the country fears the end of democracy, and the other half welcomes it as America inches toward the brink of authoritarian rule. Now more than ever, we must force ourselves to have the necessary conversation. Welcome to the Necessary Conversation. I'm Chad Colchin. As you can see, I'm still in Oklahoma with my mom and my sister. They are both here with me. We're helping out our mom as Bob. Our dad is still in the hospital. Mom, you want to give an update on his condition?
Mary Lou
About the same. And we get kicked out due to insurances. On Tuesday morning, he just. We had a bunch of doctors come through this morning. We're working on dehydration, we're working on potassium levels, on magnesium levels. He's starting to give a little pushback, so I'm pushing back on him to do what's right. And if you want to come home, you have to do these things. When we first got to rehab, he was good. He was walking, doing a few things. But now L4 L5 are giving him terrible pain and he's decided to shut it down for a while and not get up. And he can't. So hopefully maybe Monday before we get kicked down, I'll have him to the spine doctors. One of the best one here in okc. That's where we're at.
Chad Colchin
Yeah, it's. It's been interesting to navigate the American healthcare system and see that. I mean, I kind of already knew this from cancer treatment, but the insurance companies are the ones who control all of your health care decisions. Doctors have no say in it. You have no say in it.
Mary Lou
The doctor would like to keep us. He said at least two more weeks, but the insurance says no, you have to go. And we have a first insurance of Medicare and then we have a secondary too, but. And the doctor will try to code as many things on there to keep you as long as he can. But they're kicking us out on Tuesday no matter what. So I have scrambled to get that care at home too and go from there.
Chad Colchin
Do you have any ditties? Mom?
Mary Lou
Diddy, You. That's it.
Chad Colchin
What does that mean?
Mary Lou
Means I have no Diddy at this
Haley
point, so I got nothing left to Diddy.
Chad Colchin
I do have a listener question. I thought we could play one today. I'm just going to play it off my computer screen. I'll turn around so you guys can see it.
Mary Lou
Okay.
Chad Colchin
If you want to submit a question to our podcast, all you have to do is record it in a one minute or shorter video. Send it to the necessary conversation podmail.com I try to play the best ones here. Here is today's question.
Megan
Good morning cult and fam. My name is Megan. I am 32 years old. I live in Jacksonville, Florida. I own my own home independently and I have a full time job and a part time job for whatever assumptions Bob wants to make about demographic. My question is for Mary Lou. Last week on the pod, Chad was teasing you about, you know, you disagreed with Trump on several points and it was really difficult for you to say out loud that you disagree with him specifically. I know that Chad and Haley like to tease you about, you know, liberalism and. Oh, you're sounding like a library. Is there a universe that exists where you can remain a Republican and support our country and not support Donald Trump? Thanks. Love the pod.
Chad Colchin
So that's the question, mom, in your mind, could you remain a Republican and not support Donald Trump?
Mary Lou
Yes. We've talked about that on another podcast. If he pardons Maxwell, if he is taken down for crimes himself dealing with children. Yes.
Chad Colchin
Okay, now you. I don't know if this was yesterday or the day before. We were driving in the car coming back from dad and you told me that you were not maga. Do you remember this?
Mary Lou
I have never thought I was maga. You guys labeled me with this.
Chad Colchin
We labeled you?
Mary Lou
You labeled me. I've always thought I was a Republican.
Haley
You have a motherfucking hat that says my job, but that's. You got all the products.
Mary Lou
But Republicans can. You can be a Republican and not be a maga and you can be a MAGA and be a Republican.
Haley
No, MAGA is maga, period. It's its own entity.
Chad Colchin
MAGA is the Republican Party at this point.
Mary Lou
Okay, so I'm a Republican.
Chad Colchin
Right. That at this point that means maga.
Mary Lou
I guess I'm still MAGA then.
Chad Colchin
Right? Because you're supporting Donald Trump. If you support Donald Trump, you're maga. You do support him.
Mary Lou
Yes, I still do. Okay.
Chad Colchin
To be a Republican and not be maga, it would mean saying, I hate Donald Trump or at the very least, I would never vote for him. I think his policies are bad. But I'm still for fiscal responsibility, conservative family values, blah, blah, all this that Republicans are, but also not be for Trump.
Mary Lou
Well, there's more and more things that I'm disliking. Yes, yes. You can eliminate the golden statue and bringing God and Jesus and stuff into that and kissing that. That's not. Yeah, there's a lot of Things that my eyes are being open to that I don't like. But I am still a Republican. I guess you're calling me still a maga.
Chad Colchin
Yeah.
Mary Lou
And Trump is my president.
Haley
You have to renounce, like your love of Donald Trump. You can still be conservative and a Republican. You just have to say, fuck Donald Trump. I see all this terrible shit happening, but I'm still conservative and I'm still a Republican.
Mary Lou
Well, not yet.
Chad Colchin
Okay. Still maga. Speaking of things that are turning your head, changing your mind, let's get into today's topics. First up, we got Trump in China. This week, Trump took a two day trip to China, which was largely seen as a failure for America. As Chinese President Xi referred to America as a declining nation and made Trump sit in a smaller chair than he sat in for a meeting, effectively humiliating him on the global stage. To make matters worse, Trump chose to take a group of billionaires with him who hold no formal office in United States government. His billionaire entourage included Elon Musk, Tim Cook, Jensen Huang, Larry Fink, Jane Frazier, Stephen Schwartzman, and Boeing CEO Kelly Ortberg. Musk and Huang flew on Air Force One with Trump. Trump also opted to take family members Eric Trump and Lara Trump, but Melania did not join him. But he did take his 34 year old executive assistant and social media planner Natalie Harp, who many are speculating is his mistress. Mom, you are one of those people that make that speculation.
Mary Lou
I just had. I. It's speculation. It has not been proven, but I did read some of that.
Chad Colchin
Okay. President Xi made no commitment to help with Trump's war in Iran. And he warned that if Trump mishandled the situation in Taiwan, it would put the America China relationship, quote, in great jeopardy. And, and Trump was convinced by Xi to let Chinese nationals buy American farmland. Trump left China with no major breakthroughs on trade or tangible help in Iran, despite heaping praise on Xi Malm. Why do you think Trump took so many billionaires with him to China?
Mary Lou
Well, what I have read is that some good things did come of that, that they were, you know, the BOEING, we got 200 aircraft now, but China
Chad Colchin
committed to buying 500. Then we got there and he was like, nah, we're just gonna do 2,
Mary Lou
200 plus more in the future. Okay, okay. There are, there was soy, soybeans, wheat, beef, poultry, some of that. China signaled willingness to reduce tariffs on that and that's okay. So that kind of opens stuff, I guess, the airplanes. It was.
Chad Colchin
But why do you think, like the CEO of Nvidia was taken? Why Was Elon Musk taken? Why did Elon Musk get to take his little kid? XAE xxx There.
Haley
This was all about business deals for them.
Chad Colchin
Yes.
Haley
Yes.
Mary Lou
And us. No. And the United States.
Chad Colchin
What business deal do you think Elon Musk was making for the United States?
Mary Lou
I have no idea.
Haley
He's not even part of the Cabinet.
Chad Colchin
What business deal do you think Tim Cook was making for the United States?
Mary Lou
I have no idea.
Haley
They weren't. This was all personal gain. It's a whole bunch of billionaires making personal contracts with China and Donald Trump being the facilitator and bringing his family in addition to make more money for his family. Kind of like in people.
Mary Lou
Kind of like when Biden went on his trips and had to have Hunter right there to make deals for him, too.
Chad Colchin
Oh, my God.
Mary Lou
And that's the truth.
Haley
And we don't like that either.
Mary Lou
No, we don't.
Chad Colchin
Right. This is a little different in that even if what you're saying is true, which I don't necessarily agree with, but let's say that it is. Let's say Joe Biden took Hunter Biden everywhere around the world to do these illicit business dealings and. And enrich their family.
Mary Lou
Yes.
Chad Colchin
They did not do as much as Trump is doing. Trump is in the multiple billions arena at this point with how much he has taken from other countries and given to his family. Nor did Biden take a group of 12 billionaire CEOs with him to do business for their companies. That has nothing to do with America.
Mary Lou
No, he took family members, and then all that money trickled down into his family.
Chad Colchin
So did Trump.
Mary Lou
Okay, so what's the. What's the difference?
Chad Colchin
These billionaires that are coming in to do this, I'm assuming they're giving kickback to Trump in some way, or at least special treatment through their companies.
Mary Lou
Oh, I never thought of it like that.
Chad Colchin
Why else would he be taking them?
Haley
No president in the fucking.
Mary Lou
Most of those people are like the head of. Of things that he does and is around him. No, no.
Haley
They're just billionaires with companies that they want to further their agenda and make money. No president in the history of the United States has done this to take a bunch of billionaire CEOs to a chat with China with another country.
Mary Lou
They also talked about Taiwan.
Chad Colchin
Yeah. Yes, we're gonna get to that. Okay, well, let me ask you this. Why do you think he didn't take Melania to China?
Mary Lou
Because she's mad at him, I'm sure. Okay, maybe over the blonde chick that
Chad Colchin
he took and you believe this executive assistant that he took with him? I had her name written.
Mary Lou
Speculation, speculation.
Chad Colchin
Natalie Harp.
Mary Lou
We don't know.
Chad Colchin
What do you think the nature of that relationship is?
Mary Lou
Well, they said she's what, his executive assistant. And behind some of the weird stuff on X and the social media, she
Chad Colchin
does post for him.
Mary Lou
I'm not there. I don't know. I speculate.
Chad Colchin
You were the one who told me this.
Mary Lou
I speculate. Yeah.
Chad Colchin
Okay. I wouldn't even put this in the list. This question had brought it up.
Haley
You brought it to the table. I speculate. Why is this blonde.
Mary Lou
I speculate. Why wouldn't the wifey not go?
Chad Colchin
You tell me.
Mary Lou
Why would our first lady not go?
Chad Colchin
Why?
Haley
Right.
Chad Colchin
Answer the question.
Mary Lou
Because she is mad.
Chad Colchin
Huh? Because.
Mary Lou
Because the blonde chick is there.
Chad Colchin
Okay.
Mary Lou
Yeah.
Chad Colchin
Why do you think Trump couldn't get President Xi to commit to aiding us in the war in Iran?
Mary Lou
They. They're in discussions, I guess. Gotta wait and see.
Chad Colchin
Those discussions are over. He left China.
Mary Lou
Okay. There'll probably be more discussions, hopefully.
Haley
No, that was the discussion. That was it.
Chad Colchin
Why do you think Trump is allowing Chinese nationals to continue to buy American farmland?
Mary Lou
There's got to be give and take. Maybe. I don't know.
Chad Colchin
Yeah, the. The give is they're giving money to Donald Trump and the take is they're
Mary Lou
taking American farmland, but they're buying the airplanes from us. Right.
Chad Colchin
What does that have to do with anything? How does that help American farmers? That Boeing is going to sell 200 of the 500 promised planes to China?
Mary Lou
Give and take. And they're gonna buy soy and stuff like that from us. Right. And more beef.
Haley
American farmers are.
Mary Lou
No, I think this trip helped them. I thought.
Chad Colchin
What. It doesn't matter if they. Let's say that China is agreeing. Yes. We'll buy all your beef and all your soybeans.
Mary Lou
Right.
Chad Colchin
Also, we own the land it's grown on now, right?
Mary Lou
Yeah.
Chad Colchin
So those farmers are gone. Fuck you. We're putting our farmers there or our factory farming or whatever they want to do.
Mary Lou
I don't see.
Chad Colchin
He's literally giving American land to China.
Mary Lou
I don't see that as when you need them.
Chad Colchin
What do you mean you don't see it as happening?
Mary Lou
I don't see that as happening.
Haley
It is happening.
Chad Colchin
That's literally part of what they talked about.
Mary Lou
I thought the American farmers that are producing all that, that, that now is going to be sold to China, but
Chad Colchin
China is being allowed to buy their land. So when farmers get hit hard and it's like, shit, we have. We Had a bad year. We can't sell our stuff like we used to. I'm in financial dire straits. And then a Chinese mega corporation comes in, is like, well, we'll buy your farmland, maybe even for more value than it's worth. That farmer now has no choice.
Mary Lou
I'd like to see what percentage they own of the land.
Chad Colchin
Okay, I'll, I'll look for that.
Mary Lou
I mean, not today, but, yeah, I would like to see that.
Chad Colchin
All right. So do you think overall, Trump's trip to China was a success?
Mary Lou
I think it was. I don't think it was as bad as everybody's saying it was successful for him.
Chad Colchin
Okay.
Haley
And the billionaires, but not for us. He didn't broker any deals that benefit the American.
Mary Lou
They talked about Taiwan. They did the farmer thing, they did the airplane thing.
Chad Colchin
They talked about Taiwan. Yes. But, well, I had it in here somewhere. President Xi said he made no commitment to help with the war in Iran. And he. She basically said if you mishandle the situation in Taiwan, it could put our relationship in, quote, great jeopardy. That basically means you're going to let us do whatever we want there, right?
Mary Lou
Yeah.
Chad Colchin
The bottom line is Trump got his ass handed to him. He looked so stupid when they put him in that little tiny chair.
Haley
He always looks so stupid.
Mary Lou
That part I didn't see. I just saw him walking. I didn't see him in the tiny chair that you all are talking about.
Chad Colchin
Let's move on. Trump doesn't care about Americans is our next topic. This week, Trump was asked to what extent Americans financial situations were motivating him to make a deal with Iran. He said, not even a little bit.
Reporter/Interviewer
The only thing that matters when I'm talking about Iran, they can't have a nuclear weapon. I don't think about Americans financial situation. I don't think about anybody. I think about one thing. We cannot let Iran have a nuclear weapon. That's all.
Mary Lou
I can't understand, understand you, so stop it.
Chad Colchin
When ABC's Karen Travers passed him to clarify what about the pressure on Americans prices right now, he doubled down. This was on the same day.
Reporter/Interviewer
The most important thing by far is Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon.
Chad Colchin
He added that, quote, including whether our
Reporter/Interviewer
stock market, which by the way is at an all time high, but including whether our stock market goes up a little or down a little. The most important thing by far is Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. Every American understands this.
Chad Colchin
Landed on the same day inflation data showed gas prices at $4.50 a gallon, up 28% in the past two months. Then later this week, in a Fox News interview with Brett Baier taping in Beijing, Bayer said you can imagine how many people stopped the sound bite at I don't think about American's financial situation. So what's your response to that? And Trump replied, I can't do the voice because that hurt my throat so bad. Trump replied, it's very simple. When people hear me say it, everybody agrees. Short term pain. It's going to be short term pain. And he added, I'd make it again the decision to say that exact same thing. Triple down on this. So, mom, Trump has said twice he does not care about Americans financial situations. Do you think he does?
Mary Lou
I do. I totally think he cares. And he does. And I think they stopped that right where he said it and then they broadcasted all of that. He has like a one, a tunnel vision mind and, or, and he's, he wants the war to end and he wants no bombs over there. And that's what he was trying to say.
Haley
No, he's just a selfish piece of. And that's what he said. I don't give a fuck about the American people.
Mary Lou
No, I said it. I'm trying to find what the President
Haley
would say that he said it.
Chad Colchin
What do you mean you're trying to find what he said? I just read you everything he said.
Mary Lou
No, what Rubio said about his statement.
Chad Colchin
Who cares, Mom?
Mary Lou
That he cares.
Chad Colchin
They're running interference for him. He said, I don't care about America's financial situation. Then on that same day, like immediately after that, he's asked by a reporter, did you mean to say that? Yep, meant to say it. Then multiple days later in China, he's asked about it again and he's like, I would say it again.
Mary Lou
Okay, here's what Johnson said. It wasn't Rubio, it was Johnson. I can tell you the president thinks about Americans financial situations. I talk to him on an average twice a day, sometimes three or four times a day. And we talk about it constantly. Constantly. He is laser focused. That's what I was trying to say. Laser focused on trying to resolve the conflict in Iran. Okay. Because if we get the Strait of Hermos reopened, that will alleviate pressure on gas prices and the economy in the United States. The message is he does care.
Haley
So first of all, Obama had a deal with Iran, so none of this existed and we were all fine. This is all Donald Trump's fault. Now they're backpedaling and like, oh, we got to get the straight open it. Fudgeing was they did this okay. And this is coming from Mike Johnson.
Mary Lou
Yes.
Haley
A guy who just came before the fucking public and said we should be able to insider trade because my salary of $250,000 isn't enough for my family. Did you see that?
Mary Lou
No, I did not see that.
Haley
We should be able to do stock trading.
Chad Colchin
Yeah. He was asked basically, like our federal politicians doing insider trading, and do you think it's a good idea that you guys should all be able to trade against basically what's going on? And he was like, well, we only make $250,000 a year and so we need to do insider trading.
Mary Lou
No, I didn't see that.
Haley
They're all crooks.
Mary Lou
He said he talks to him three and four times a day. He said he does care. And that's. I do believe he does.
Haley
Donald Trump himself said, I don't give a fuck. Thrice they. They said, like, if you want to go ahead and, like, say that wasn't what you meant, go ahead and do it. And he said, no, motherfucker, I meant it. And I'll say it again.
Mary Lou
Yes, because he's tunnel vision.
Haley
No, because he's a selfish piece of shit.
Mary Lou
I'm sorry.
Chad Colchin
It's because he's a billionaire making international deals against the interests of the United States. He knows that he's hurting the regular American with all this shit. Like, he's seeing gas prices go up, he's seeing the price of everything go up. He does not give a fuck.
Mary Lou
He.
Chad Colchin
He could end this war tomorrow. He could just say, it's over, we're out, sorry, Iran. He's not going to do that.
Mary Lou
I think he cares that if they have a bomb and they drop it on us, we're all gone anyway.
Haley
This is all.
Chad Colchin
Why haven't they dropped it on us?
Mary Lou
I don't know.
Haley
It's not here. It's not real.
Mary Lou
They have the capabilities, making it and he's going to stop it all.
Haley
This was just like nuclear weapons.
Mary Lou
Nuclear, nuclear, nuclear, nuclear, nuclear.
Haley
I can't even say it wrong. Nuclear, nuclear. I have weapons.
Mary Lou
He wants that stopped. And that's what he was focusing in on. And I do believe he cares for the American people.
Haley
They're preying upon, okay, fear. They're trying to make you scared that they have this big bomb that's going to blow everybody up. It's not real. Just like the weapons of mass destruction were not real. It's all like a cash grab.
Mary Lou
I do believe he cares about America.
Chad Colchin
Okay? You believe that. But when other maga see him say this three Times I don't care about America's financial situation again and again and again. Do you think other MAGA are starting to get turned off by this?
Mary Lou
No, my. No. My MAGA friends are more turned off about kissing the golden statues, that kind of stuff. The bringing the religious freak lady in that. We're concerned about that.
Chad Colchin
But do you have any MAGA friends who are being financially affected by this?
Mary Lou
No. In fact, one of them said the other day, I don't know what's wrong, but my gas has gone down a little bit. Kind of look good at the gas pump.
Haley
That's not true.
Mary Lou
That's what, that's what she said.
Haley
That's not true.
Chad Colchin
They may be living in a delusional world. I don't know. That's not true. They're seeing the numbers on the gas pump differently than they actually are.
Reporter/Interviewer
I don't know.
Haley
They're astral projecting into another plane.
Chad Colchin
All right, let's move on to our third topic. Mamdani. His first hundred days in office as a New York mayor.
Mary Lou
Yeah.
Chad Colchin
This week marked 100 days in office for New York Mayor Zorin Mamdani. And he has some significant accomplishments. Perhaps most notably, he announced that he has reduced New York's $12 billion deficit inherited from primary Eric Adams to zero. He has also instituted universal child care with $1.2 billion of funding from Governor Kathy Hochul to fund child care for 2 year olds from existing state revenue with signups starting in June and spots announced by August delivered without requiring any tax increases. He also secured more than 30 million in settlements with bad landlords, repaired over 6,000 apartments, and recovered nearly $100,000 a day for workers exploited by corporations and delivery apps. He also announced plans for a city run grocery store at La Marquetta in East Harlem, plus expanded fast bus lanes and garbage containerization. Mom, you said when he was elected that New York City would fall. It has not fallen. It seems to be doing very good. Do you still think it will fall?
Mary Lou
Yes, I do.
Chad Colchin
Okay.
Mary Lou
What I have read about those grocery stores are like three years from now, maybe they'll open. I also read that all this stuff that they said he just did as a temporary fix, 4 billion of this money that he is so erased has come from help and actions by the New York State, by the state of New York. The governor, Kathy. How do you say her name? Hochul. Including pension restructuring. So she's take. He's taking money out of pensions of people. He's getting it from the state. Around 1.77 billion of that came from agency savings. So he's cutting contracts, he's cutting people's pensions as a temporary fix to say, look what I've done. And everything I've read said this could be a huge future shortfall because the fixes are temporary rather than permanent. So maybe he's done it for now, but it's not going to stay.
Chad Colchin
So you still feel like New York City will, in quotes, fall?
Mary Lou
I think it will, because the billionaires that he's taken money from will leave also, and they'll get the heck out of there. So they're going to say, you're not going to get all my money. I'm not going to give you my billions.
Chad Colchin
Okay. And so what is the fall to you? What will that look like?
Mary Lou
A lot of the housing, a lot of the good houses, people will leave. It will all be sold off, the free grocery stores and all that. Three to four years down the line. If it's there. I don't even know. Taking money from people's pensions, that's not good. They're not going to put up with that.
Haley
Donald Trump does that every day. He's stealing $1.7 million. Donald Trump does that every day.
Mary Lou
Okay.
Haley
Goons are literally robbing us blind every day.
Mary Lou
Okay.
Haley
But you want to go after Mom Donnie for setting up, like, daycare, like I said, giving people apartments that aren't. Like what?
Mary Lou
Like I said, people have said that it's temporary. So I guess give him more time and see if it sticks. That's what I want to say.
Haley
Regardless if it's tem or not, it exists right now. Is that not good? Did not do good for.
Mary Lou
For a couple days.
Haley
Did he do good?
Mary Lou
It's what, stealing from the rich given to the poor or stealing out of pensions?
Haley
Stealing? You mean making billionaires pay their taxes?
Mary Lou
Taking money from pensions, giving to other people? I don't know. Give him time. We'll see. We'll see if it sticks.
Chad Colchin
Do you think universal child care is good?
Mary Lou
Yes.
Chad Colchin
Okay, so then he's done good there.
Mary Lou
Yes.
Chad Colchin
Do you think lowering the deficit of his city to zero from $12 billion
Mary Lou
is good, but he's taken from places that they say may not be permanent.
Chad Colchin
Okay.
Mary Lou
I mean, anybody can shuffle money around.
Chad Colchin
All right? But when you look at that and you're like, anybody can shuffle money around, which you would agree Trump does as well?
Mary Lou
Probably. They all do.
Chad Colchin
Probably.
Haley
He definitely did. He fired a bunch of government agencies and then stole that money and put it in his own pockets and called it waste fraud. And abuse.
Mary Lou
Okay?
Chad Colchin
So when Mamdani is shuffling the money around, he brings his city's deficit to zero. When Trump's doing it, he is enriching himself and his family to the tune of billions of dollars. The American deficit ain't zero.
Mary Lou
No.
Chad Colchin
So who do you think is shuffling the money better?
Mary Lou
I'm sure it's greater for Trump to have to do stuff than one state like that, too.
Chad Colchin
Okay. But he has shuffled enough of this money around that he could have affected our deficit. He hasn't.
Mary Lou
He's trying.
Haley
No, he's not. The deficit is growing.
Mary Lou
He's trying.
Chad Colchin
All right, let's move to our. Simmer down. Mom, you and I have already done this a little bit. We've had an intense week here in Oklahoma City, to say the very least. And sometimes we just need to laugh because it's, as I said, intense. And so was this in the car yesterday, or I forget where we were. I sometimes will speak in gibberish. Let me simply say that it's an affectation I have that I can't really control. Sometimes I just hear gibberish phrases.
Mary Lou
Because you're autistic.
Chad Colchin
Thank you. He is. And so sometimes I'll just do it. And I was speaking some gibberish around the kitchen, and, mom, you became enraged by it. What are you doing? Shut that up. And I said, no, in fact, you should speak gibberish. It's fun. And then you did. You jibbed a little bit. So I thought today it could be fun if we all three speak some gibberish.
Haley
But, like, that's your. So at the bakery, we. Sometimes we'll do gibberish, but we do noises. So, like, we try to. It's just the repetition of, like, sound.
Megan
And.
Chad Colchin
Also known as glossolalia.
Haley
So we try to, like. I think I can sound like a train whistle.
Chad Colchin
Oh, let's hear it.
Haley
It might take me a minute. I have, like, a double voice.
Mary Lou
Yeah, you have it.
Haley
Like, I can. I can.
Chad Colchin
I can do that. Can you speak like that?
Haley
No, I've tried, Mother.
Mary Lou
Oh, my God. Yeah.
Haley
So we do like that.
Mary Lou
Oh, dear God.
Chad Colchin
I have little phrases that will trigger in my head. Like, anytime I'm in the bathtub and I lay down, and then when I sit up, I have a phrase that goes through my head that is this boy qualaquine. And I say it out loud.
Mary Lou
What is wrong with you? You are your father's children. You're not mine.
Chad Colchin
Yes, mom, give us some Jimin. It's stimming.
Haley
It's stimming.
Chad Colchin
Give us some Jimin.
Mary Lou
That hurt my throat.
Chad Colchin
Come on, jib it.
Mary Lou
I.
Haley
I don't. I don't jib, though.
Chad Colchin
Even now, today. That's your task.
Mary Lou
Do it, do it.
Haley
But mine is more rhythmic. Like, it's. I think of the real world.
Chad Colchin
This is nice. You're scabbing, you're giving. I'm done.
Mary Lou
I'm done. Wait.
Haley
Talk as low as you can.
Chad Colchin
That's good.
Haley
Talk as high as you can.
Mary Lou
I'm done.
Haley
Go as high as you can.
Mary Lou
I can't do no more.
Haley
Go as high as you can.
Mary Lou
I can't do no more. Okay, all right, all right.
Chad Colchin
Oh, hey, you're gonna break the mic.
Mary Lou
Okay.
Chad Colchin
All right. But see, that was fun. Oh, yeah, we needed something like that. You were laughing loads. You're having a good time. All right, back to the serious stuff we jibbed. Our fourth topic is Trump steals $1.7 billion. Trump steals $1.7 billion in taxpayer money. Trump is expected to drop his $10 billion lawsuit against the IRS in exchange for creating a $1.7 billion fund to compensate allies who claim they were wrongfully targeted by the Biden administration. The fund would also be open to anybody alleging harm from Biden era. In quotes, weaponization of the legal system, including the nearly 1600 January 6th defendants, all of whom Trump already pardoned. The money comes from the Treasury Department's judgment fund, permanent appropriation normally used to pay legitimate court settlements. Trump will have unchecked authority in this settlement to remove commission members without cause and determine where the money is sent. And with no oversight, that money could be given directly to any number of companies affiliated directly with Trump or his family. There's also another settlement on the table that would require the IRS to agree to never audit Donald Trump or any of his family members for anything, essentially making them immune from any investigations and any kind of financial fraud they could be doing. Mom, do you think Trump should be able to give himself $1.7 billion of taxpayer money?
Mary Lou
That's not all going to go to him. No, it's going to go to, like, 1600 individuals who are charged in connection of the January 6th, which they'll get some of the money.
Chad Colchin
That's criminals.
Mary Lou
Some of his political allies will get some of the money. It says it's not all going to
Chad Colchin
Donald Trump, but do you think taxpayers should. Haley and I should. You have to pay one point. Let's say that it's not going to go to Donald Trump at all, which it is. He's going to give. I Think the majority of that to his family. But let's say he's not. Let's say it's all going to go to criminals, convicted criminals who attacked our country, basically, who tried to lead a violent insurrection. Should we have to pay them money?
Mary Lou
No, they were, I feel they were wrongfully targeted by our government and thrown in jail on that day. I watched it.
Haley
Would you feel that same way if it was liberals scaling those walls and storming the building?
Mary Lou
If they were wrongfully targeted on that day and thrown in jail, yes, they should get.
Chad Colchin
So you saw. I mean, I played you clips of them shattering windows, pulling a cop out of a window, almost killing a cop. You think the people who killed or almost killed that cop should be given $1.7 billion of taxpayer money?
Mary Lou
I saw clips both ways. I saw doors being open saying, come
Haley
on, nobody did that.
Mary Lou
Yes, they did. They allowed people to come in. They wanted them in there.
Chad Colchin
They were screaming that they wanted to kill all kinds of politicians. Nancy Pelosi.
Mary Lou
Right. And she could have stopped it all by sending in the National Guard and she refused to do that, too. So,
Chad Colchin
so that means the people committing the crimes, it's not their fault.
Mary Lou
I don't feel. I feel maybe some of them maybe did crimes. I feel there were undercover agents in there doing a lot of stuff that they shouldn't have.
Chad Colchin
So should the undercover agents get part of this $1.7 billion?
Mary Lou
Were they wrongfully targeted? Okay, whoever was wrongfully targeted, yes. That's my belief.
Chad Colchin
Why do you think Trump is. Is taking $1.7 billion from taxpayers to
Mary Lou
give it to the people that were thrown in jail?
Chad Colchin
So let's just do some quick math here. I'm going to do 1.7.
Haley
His promises are always empty. So remember when we were all supposed to get like a two thousand dollar check?
Mary Lou
I haven't got mine yet.
Haley
And you never will.
Mary Lou
We'll see.
Haley
Hasn't he promised us money twice now?
Chad Colchin
He's promised us money twice. He pro. He sold 500,000 Trump cell phones making millions of dollars. And now they've come out and said, basically, yeah, we're not making that, but we're keeping your money. You.
Mary Lou
Oh, I'm glad I didn't buy one of those.
Chad Colchin
Right. But he has now defrauded.
Mary Lou
Yeah.
Chad Colchin
However many people bought those funds.
Mary Lou
Yeah.
Chad Colchin
So with this money, if he gives, if he splits up the $1.7 billion, takes nothing for himself and gives it all to these 1600 people who committed violent crimes to try and overthrow our
Mary Lou
government, who are targeted on that Day,
Chad Colchin
each one of those people will get $1,062,500.
Mary Lou
That would be fine with me. You believe that they were targeted? They were not. They were wrongfully targeted and thrown in jail.
Haley
What the. They stormed the Capitol building. That is illegal.
Mary Lou
They were protesting criminal activity. Wrongfully targeted.
Haley
How many liberal protests have you seen where they're scaling walls and breaking into Capitol buildings?
Mary Lou
Summer of Love. All kinds of stuff on fire in Portland. All of that shooting, killing.
Haley
Nothing's on fire in Portland. You're making up.
Mary Lou
No, that was a summer of Love. I forget what summer was. A. When they were antifa was going crazy.
Chad Colchin
You're talking about the George Floyd protests.
Mary Lou
Long time ago.
Chad Colchin
Yeah, 2020.
Mary Lou
Yeah.
Megan
What?
Chad Colchin
I mean, certainly there were some violent actions going on in the protests that summer, but they weren't committing those actions against the cap.
Mary Lou
You guys believe January 6th was one thing. I believe it was another. We're never going to be on the same page.
Chad Colchin
We don't believe that these people were convicted of crimes using evidence in courts
Mary Lou
of law, wrongfully committed. That's where the money's going to go to them for having to be in prison for that.
Haley
What about the pedophiles that have gone back to prison for that? Do they deserve part of that? 1.7.
Mary Lou
No. A pedophile is a pedophile. They deserve nothing.
Haley
So, hell, lots of those people are actual criminals.
Mary Lou
They're not with records. There's a few pedophiles, yeah.
Chad Colchin
They're going to get one point whatever million dollars.
Mary Lou
They should not. A pedophile should not.
Chad Colchin
What about people who have been convicted of financial fraud, but they're Trump supporters, so he has pardoned them.
Reporter/Interviewer
That.
Chad Colchin
That's happened multiple times.
Mary Lou
I don't know. I don't know.
Chad Colchin
Should they get money?
Mary Lou
My brain can't process that right now. I don't know.
Chad Colchin
Mike Johnsoning us. All right, let's move on.
Mary Lou
Mike Johnson.
Reporter/Interviewer
Huh?
Mary Lou
What'd you say?
Chad Colchin
You're Mike Johnson ing us?
Mary Lou
Good.
Chad Colchin
That's what he always says. Anytime anybody brings up something like, oh, Trump said this crazy shit. I don't know anything about that. I haven't seen that footage.
Haley
I hate Mike Johnson.
Chad Colchin
He's such a piece of shit.
Mary Lou
Oh, my God.
Chad Colchin
Topic number five. Cash Patel disrespects American soldiers at Pearl Harbor. This week, Trump appointed head of the FBI, Cash Patel appeared before a Senate Appropriations subcommittee and angrily lashed out at Democratic lawmakers. Senator Chris Van Hollen confronted Patel directly, saying, reports of your being so drunk and hungover that your staff had to force entry into your home are extremely alarming. Patel fired back, accusing Van Holland of running up a $7,000 bar tab and telling the senator the only person that was slinging margaritas in El Salvador on the taxpayer dollar with a convicted gang banging rapist. Was you referring to Van Holen's trip to. Sorry. Referring to Van Holen's trip related to deported migrant Kilmer Albergo Garcia, where he was photographed near a margarita, an image that has been proven to have been staged by El Salvadorian officials. Also this week, the Associated Press obtained government emails revealing that during an official trip to Hawaii last summer, Patel took a VIP snorkel with around the USS Arizona, the sunken battleship that entombs more than 900 sailors and Marines killed in the 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor. Snorkeling and diving are usually prohibited around the wreck. A Marine veteran who dives on the Arizona annually to check on its condition called it inappropriate, saying, it's like having a bachelor party at a church. It's hallowed ground. It needs to be treated with the solemnity it deserves. Malm, do you think Kash Patel is doing a good job as the director of the FBI?
Mary Lou
No. And I think Trump will fire him soon.
Haley
Okay, well, we have this discussion about Pete Hegseth, and he's still standing.
Mary Lou
Well, Patel's a little bit more crazy doing weird stuff. And I do know if Donald Trump thinks you're not doing the job and there's too much, too much things in public like this, which he should have not done that in hollowed ground. That's ridiculous. Mark my words, he's going to be fired.
Chad Colchin
Have you been there?
Haley
Dad has.
Mary Lou
I have not. Dad has.
Chad Colchin
It's. I remember going there once when I was younger with a girlfriend, and we saved our Pearl harbor memorial kind of trip for the last day right before we left. That was a mistake. It is incredibly sad, emotional. Yeah. They. They basically tell you, you know, that there were Marine sailors that were trapped in the boat as the attack happened. Their bodies are still there. And there are some guys who served with them that were not trapped in the boat, survived the attack on Pearl harbor, and then after they died, when they died, had their bodies put in that boat in the wreckage to be with the guys that they served with.
Mary Lou
Wow.
Chad Colchin
He's swimming around, he's snorkeling.
Mary Lou
Yeah. Over their bodies. The more stuff that shows up like this and he's doing stuff in public. Trump's going to fire him.
Haley
So if he doesn't fire him, what are you gonna Do.
Mary Lou
Trump will fire him.
Haley
What if he doesn't?
Mary Lou
Trump will fire him. Mark my words.
Haley
Hypothetically, if Cash Patel remains and he is not fired, how do you perceive Donald Trump at that point?
Mary Lou
I back Donald Trump on his decisions, but I know him. When he gets fed up with people doing stuff like this, they're gonna go.
Chad Colchin
When he gets fed up with women doing stuff like this, they go, well, say, so far he's only fired women.
Haley
He's not firing Patel, and he's not firing Hegseth.
Mary Lou
We'll see. We'll see.
Chad Colchin
I mean, what else do you need to see?
Haley
Kash Patel continuously does shit like this. It's not ending and there is no firing in sight.
Mary Lou
I think he will fire him. Put it down as a prediction.
Chad Colchin
But why do you think. Let's say he fires him. He appointed him in the first place and lobbied hard to have this guy installed.
Mary Lou
He. He gives people chances. He picks who he thinks he gives them a chance. If they don't produce, bye bye.
Chad Colchin
But this has been going on for months. These accusations against him, reporting coming out that he's drunk all the time and people can't wake him up. He's used FBI taxpayer money to have FBI agents escort his drunk girlfriend in her friend's home.
Mary Lou
I think Trump will focus back on him when he gets this war done. And I do think he will fire him. That's my opinion.
Chad Colchin
And who do you think he'll replace him with?
Mary Lou
I have no idea. I'm not the president.
Chad Colchin
But like, you're seeing all these things. He's fired three people so far, all women.
Mary Lou
Right.
Chad Colchin
He appointed them in the first place and was very gung ho about them. Right now you're seeing Cash Patel is doing this shit. Appointed him very gung ho. All the people he appoints are terrible. He fires the women. Maybe he will fire Cash Patel.
Mary Lou
I think he knows.
Chad Colchin
But do you question at all his judgment when every person he puts in one of these places of power, he then has to fire or they turn out to be terrible or whatever?
Mary Lou
No, in businesses. And he was a businessman before he became our president. If you put someone in that position and they don't do the job, you get rid of them and get them what?
Haley
Like in the history of presidencies, this
Chad Colchin
level of corruption, firing and replacing that. Maybe people do get fired out of cabinets kind of all the time, I think. Or they leave or they, you know, get. I mean, Dan. Dan Bongino wasn't in his cabinet, but he was the number two guy at the F.B.I.
Mary Lou
right.
Chad Colchin
He's gone. And he got the fuck out on of his own accord. He was like, actually, this looks terrible. I'm just gonna go back to podcasting because I think when you see people, like, dip their toe into this, Elon Musk is like this, too. He's still traveling around, but, like, in the beginning, he was trying to take full control. And you can tell, like, that little kid X, that he.
Mary Lou
He's always like, you're not in charge,
Chad Colchin
trailing around that kid. He's just. He's pumping that kid up to be like, the. The owner of the world. You can tell that. And I don't know what's going to happen to that kid. As it ages, I'm hoping that it will snap out of it and maybe even use some of Elon Musk's money, power, influence that he's going to inherit to, like, make the world a better place. But I doubt that's going to happen. I think Elon Musk is telling him, you're God. I'm going to give you more money than anybody's ever had, and you will be able to do anything. And here's what you use it for. That's what it feels like to me.
Mary Lou
We'll see. Let's just let Trump focus back. And I think he will fire him. That's what I'm sticking to. From.
Haley
You're the President of the United States from the war.
Mary Lou
He's trying to get this war done.
Chad Colchin
No, but he's not focused on the war. He's repaving or painting blue the reflecting pool at the. In front of the Washington Monument. He's fixated on this ballroom, which has now doubled in price.
Mary Lou
He's doing improvements and stuff. Yeah, he. He will get this war done.
Chad Colchin
Mom, you're like, when he. When he gets his focus off the Iran war, then he'll look at Kashi Patel. This is the head of the FBI. That means every CR crime, every federal crime that is going on the United States right now, this guy's in charge of investigating it. And you're like, yeah, forget about that. He's got the war in Iran. But he's also, again, fixated on building a ballroom, doing the reflecting pool, his golden statue.
Mary Lou
That's why he never sleeps. He does a lot. I cannot wait till he fires him. And I'll be sitting right here with you two saying, I told you so.
Chad Colchin
Maybe he will. But at this point, shouldn't that be immediate?
Mary Lou
Yes, he. He will get to it.
Haley
He'll get to it.
Mary Lou
He'll get to it.
Chad Colchin
Let's move on to our final topic, the American reality show. This week we learned Trump's Secretary of Transportation, former reality star Sean Duffy, is returning to reality TV in a brand new show called the Great American Road Trip, funded by Boeing, Shell, Toyota, United Airlines and Royal Caribbean, all companies that Duffy's Department of Transportation has direct regulatory control over. But Duffy's travel to and from filming locations was not paid for by those companies. That was paid for by all of us United States taxpayers. The show is a five part reality series set to air on YouTube celebrating America's 250th anniversary. It follows Duffy and his reality star wife Rachel Campos Duffy and their nine kids traveling across the country with a kickoff from Trump in the Oval Office. So Trump is in this reality show as Duffy and his family happily drive across America with gas paid for by corporate bribes and taxpayer dollars. The rest of US are paying $4.50 a gallon, up roughly 50% since the Iran war began. Shell, one of the companies sponsoring the reality show, has seen profits double as a result of increased gas prices. The Duffy family claims they filmed one or two days at a time over seven months. Meaning he couldn't have been working during that time as Transportation Secretary. Mom, do you think it's okay for a cabinet member to use taxpayer money to shoot a reality show about their family?
Mary Lou
No.
Haley
Social. We fire.
Mary Lou
Sean Duffy might be next in line. What is he supposed to be doing for us right now as the transportation.
Chad Colchin
You've got airplanes. They were shooting the show while those planes were fucking crashing. While we were having, when they air
Haley
traffic controllers, it was like falling apart.
Chad Colchin
He's fudgeing, running around shooting this reality show with his family. America's a beautiful place right now. We've got gas prices higher than they've ever been. What's he doing? Spending money, spending our money on higher priced gas to literally drive across the fucking country with his family.
Mary Lou
He's supposed to oversee nations navigation, highway, railroads, transit systems and work to ensure safety, regulate the airline industry and build infrastructure. That's what he's supposed to be doing.
Chad Colchin
But you can see the corruption here, right?
Mary Lou
And not making movies.
Chad Colchin
Yes, but he oversees companies that do all those things. You said those companies are paying for the reality show. So there's all these, these companies that I, I mentioned, Boeing, Shell, Toyota, United Airlines, Royal Caribbean, they're coming and being like, we'll fund your reality show, but you're gonna help us out, right?
Mary Lou
That's strange. Yeah, very strange.
Haley
And he was appointed by Donald Trump Right.
Chad Colchin
And he's a reality TV star.
Mary Lou
He might be fired too, just like Donald Trump.
Chad Colchin
Do you think the fact that Trump is a reality star, has wrestled in the wwe, constantly, is lying to cameras, which is what reality TV is. Do you think that has in any way permeated our government to a degree that is negative now?
Mary Lou
I see it filtering in. I do see some of that. And all that AI stuff that I see on Instagram with Pratt.
Chad Colchin
Yeah. He's also a reality star who's now running for office, which he might win.
Haley
We're the last of the world.
Mary Lou
He might win.
Haley
Our government is a joke.
Mary Lou
I. I don't think so.
Chad Colchin
How do you see this and not think that Trump is in this? The reality show, per the reporting on, it starts with Trump being like, okay,
Reporter/Interviewer
Duffy, have a good drive. Bye.
Mary Lou
Bye.
Chad Colchin
He's in it.
Mary Lou
Okay.
Chad Colchin
That means he had to have fucking approved this.
Mary Lou
Right? So, like, I don't know, it's being change. It's being tilted into weird stuff right now.
Haley
It's all about making money. And now he's got all these corrupt pieces of. In charge of all of the different government heads who are just making money left and right from us.
Mary Lou
Yeah.
Haley
They're stealing our money.
Mary Lou
I think it's bizarre. I think this one is bizarre. Yeah.
Haley
And Kash Patel and Pete Hegseth, he's.
Mary Lou
Well, Patel will be fired. Predict. That's a prediction. Write it down.
Haley
But look at all these people that you're stacking up that need to be fired. It's our entire government, and they were all appointed by Donald Trump.
Mary Lou
Okay.
Chad Colchin
And. But you think the rest of the world looks at this and still thinks we're like the best country ever on top, et cetera, et cetera. Okay. Did you see this wasn't one of the topics, but this happened this past week. Trump had a deal to build a Trump Tower in Australia. They revoked the deal because the Trump brand is too toxic. They basically were like, we don't want a Trump Tower anymore. You fucked that up.
Mary Lou
Wow.
Chad Colchin
So that's an entire country basically saying this multi billion dollar real estate deal, fuck it.
Mary Lou
But I don't think Australia ever liked Trump that much.
Haley
They liked America.
Chad Colchin
I'm using it as an example. You're saying the world sees us, or you believe the world still perceives America to be the superpower and everything we do is great. This is a whole country saying, Trump, your president.
Mary Lou
They're the country too. That when Covid hit, no one could go in the street. And if you did, you got Tickets and all that. So that country's turned a little bit different, too.
Chad Colchin
Okay. We just got some news today about Ebola that's starting to break out globally.
Mary Lou
My MAGA friend sent me that. Yeah.
Chad Colchin
Do you feel like we are in a good position as Americans to protect ourselves against this?
Mary Lou
Probably not. And why do you think that is, if it's true? Because we listened to Fauci, who is a big fat liar, did all of that.
Chad Colchin
You think the current Ebola outbreak is Fauci's fault?
Mary Lou
No, I. I don't know whether to believe it or not.
Chad Colchin
Okay.
Mary Lou
I did get something, right. Oh. It was from my friend who sent it through New Newsmax.
Haley
Like, the CDC has been dismantled and, like, they're not keeping track of infectious diseases like they used to when Fauci was there. Now we don't have information, and Donald Trump is on the screen telling us everything's okay.
Mary Lou
Well, if this is true, they need to lock down that country and not let people in and out. Right.
Haley
It needs monetization.
Mary Lou
Just lock down that country.
Chad Colchin
Okay, well, I'm trying to get you to understand that, like, Trump has gutted any of our federal agencies that are looking into this or trying to keep us safe.
Mary Lou
Somebody's looking into this right now.
Haley
No, they're not.
Mary Lou
Yes, they are. Let's see. I can find you something like, they
Haley
have defunded all the programs that, you know, manufacture vaccines for new diseases that we all need. They shut down all of the funding for the people that monitor this very thing. So no one is looking at it anymore.
Mary Lou
Ari said the World Health Organization is on it. The big outbreak, they're not letting people in or out now. It's a big emergency.
Chad Colchin
Didn't he pull us out of the World Health Organization?
Haley
Yes, he did.
Chad Colchin
So the. The organization you're citing right now, he's not even associated with it, but nor is America.
Mary Lou
What he's going to do is lock down America. You guys ain't going to be traveling to shit, probably. You might lock down America. Let no one in or out to keep us all alive.
Chad Colchin
I want to ask you one more question before we go here. This week saw Trump making 100 million posts with AI with all kinds of shit, this and that. Many of these posts and many of his public statements were talking about how he is the youngest person in the room. He said he's aging in reverse in one of his posts, and he's very into this idea of, like, look how young and powerful I am. Do you think he's on the verge of death.
Haley
Yes.
Mary Lou
Well, I don't think he's going back in age.
Chad Colchin
He said he is.
Mary Lou
No, he's not.
Chad Colchin
Yeah, he said he is.
Mary Lou
He did. He didn't mean it. For real.
Haley
Why do you do that when he says you're like, he didn't mean it. He said it.
Mary Lou
Well, if he did, he's crazy because he's not going back in age. None of us do. Right.
Haley
It's very clear that he's falling asleep. He's got the cankles, he's got bruises everywhere. It's very clear that he's ailing.
Chad Colchin
Yeah.
Mary Lou
He's not going back in age. I can tell you that.
Haley
He's dying.
Chad Colchin
What are you taking there? Anti aging pill. What is that?
Mary Lou
Hot Molly.
Chad Colchin
Okay, well, hot tamale, I guess that's the show. The hot tamale is the sign that it has ended. But I just, I want you to, like, take account of how many times you're disagreeing with Trump now. And even when you're saying he's going to fire Cash Patel, that's still a disagreement with Trump because Trump appointed him.
Mary Lou
Yes. Okay. But Trump will fire him.
Chad Colchin
And in his place, we'll put somebody just as bad or worse, someone better.
Mary Lou
That's what you do. You fire someone, put someone better.
Chad Colchin
Who did you think Todd Blanche is better than Pamoni.
Haley
Right.
Mary Lou
No.
Haley
Todd Blanche said we're not going to even look at the Epstein files anymore.
Mary Lou
He was supposed to be like an interim. And they're going to put someone else in there.
Haley
When's that going to happen? Yeah, and when are they gonna.
Mary Lou
As soon as we get the war cleaned up.
Haley
Where is the new elect for Iran And. And you know, like, we're stealing leaders from other countries and yes, we'll implement new leadership. When is that going to happen?
Mary Lou
You're asking me hot questions. I'm done. It's because Molly's got me.
Haley
It's because the answer is they're not going to do that.
Mary Lou
Hot tamale.
Chad Colchin
All right, so, mom is not a hard week. We should wrap this up, I guess. Thank you, everybody for joining us. Before we go. As always, Haley, I love you. Thank you for being here this weekend, Mom. I love you. I know you're going through some rough shit. Hopefully us being here has helped a little bit.
Mary Lou
Yes, it has. I love you, Chad. Love you, Haley. Love you, Bob.
Haley
Love you, Chad. Love you, Mom. Hopefully dad gets better.
Mary Lou
Yeah.
Chad Colchin
Time will tell. I don't think we're going to do a live tonight based on what we have to be at the hospital, this kind of stuff. I think our schedule's a little off. Hopefully we'll get back to the live next week. I'll be back in Los Angeles and the show will return to kind of some normalcy. But thanks for joining us and we'll see you soon.
Episode: Trump’s China Trip
Date: May 17, 2026
Host: Chad Colchin
Guests: Mary Lou (Chad’s mother), Haley (Chad’s sister)
This episode centers on post-2024 election America, with the Colchin family—Chad, Mary Lou, and Haley—engaging in their signature "family therapy through politics." Their discussions span President Trump’s contentious China trip, his approach to domestic and foreign policy, corruption in government, and contemporary political scandals. Intermingled with familial banter, the episode explores deep divisions within American politics, the overlap of personal interests with official business, and the ongoing consequences of Trump’s leadership style.
[00:01–02:19]
“The insurance companies are the ones who control all your health care decisions. Doctors have no say in it. You have no say in it.”
—Chad, [01:38]
[02:32–06:12]
“You have a motherfucking hat that says MAGA... But Republicans can, you can be a Republican and not be a MAGA and you can be a MAGA and be a Republican.”
—Haley and Mary Lou, [04:35–04:41]
[06:12–15:06]
“No president in the history of the United States has done this. To take a bunch of billionaire CEOs to a chat with China…”
—Haley, [10:37]
“He’s literally giving American land to China.”
—Chad, [13:20]
[15:06–21:35]
“I don’t think about Americans' financial situation. I don’t think about anybody. I think about one thing. We cannot let Iran have a nuclear weapon.”
—Trump (clip), [15:18]
“Donald Trump himself said, I don’t give a fuck. Thrice… And he said, no, motherfucker, I meant it. And I’ll say it again.”
—Haley, [19:17]
[21:43–26:31]
“Give him time, we’ll see if it sticks… But Trump will fire him.”
—Mary Lou, [25:04], [42:48]
[26:31–29:44]
[29:44–35:59]
“If he splits up the $1.7 billion… each one of those people will get $1,062,500.”
—Chad, [34:10]
[36:14–43:24]
“He gives people chances… If they don’t produce, bye bye.”
—Mary Lou, [40:01]
[43:24–47:26]
“America’s a beautiful place right now. Gas prices higher than they’ve ever been—what’s he doing? Spending money, spending our money on higher-priced gas to literally drive across the fucking country with his family.”
—Chad, [45:04]
[47:26–49:53]
[49:53–52:08]
“He said he’s aging in reverse… Yeah, he said he is.—He didn’t mean it. For real.”
—Chad & Mary Lou, [51:15–51:19]
[52:08–end]
On MAGA and Republican Identity
“To be a Republican and not be MAGA, it would mean saying, I hate Donald Trump… but I’m still for fiscal responsibility, conservative family values… but also not be for Trump.”
—Chad, [05:14]
On Diplomatic Humiliation
“The bottom line is Trump got his ass handed to him. He looked so stupid when they put him in that little tiny chair.”
—Chad, [14:51]
On Direct Enrichment
“Trump is in the multiple billions arena at this point with how much he has taken from other countries and given to his family.”
—Chad, [09:44]
Comic Relief
“Sometimes I just hear gibberish phrases. —Because you’re autistic. —Thank you.”
—Chad & Mary Lou, [27:02]
On Political Theater
“Our government is a joke.”
—Haley, [46:39]
This episode of The Necessary Conversation is an intimate, sometimes combative, and always candid glimpse into a family grappling with the nation’s political and ethical crossroads. The hosts dissect recent Trump controversies—from geopolitical blunders to domestic corruption and the spectacle of reality governance—always mapping the larger implications onto their own evolving relationships and convictions.
The tone balances sharp skepticism (Haley and Chad) with loyal, if struggling, support (Mary Lou), mirroring many American households navigating these divisive times. Through humor, argument, and occasional absurdity, the Colchin family makes national politics personal.