Ashton Kutcher’s Dark Past Exposed, the Royals Diss Harry's UK Visit, Meghan Markle’s Fake Persona

Summary

The Nerve with Maureen Callahan – Episode Summary

Episode: Ashton Kutcher’s Dark Past Exposed, the Royals Diss Harry's UK Visit, Meghan Markle’s Fake Persona
Air Date: January 21, 2026
Host: Maureen Callahan
Guest: Kinsey Schofield (Royal Commentator)

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Episode Overview

In this bracing episode of “The Nerve,” Maureen Callahan exposes the dark edges of pop culture figures, focusing on Ashton Kutcher’s troubling Hollywood history, his associations with disgraced figures like Sean 'Diddy' Combs and Danny Masterson, and the manipulations and unraveling public personas of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle. With razor-sharp skepticism and wit, Callahan, alongside royal commentator Kinsey Schofield, tears into the PR theater of the Royals and dissect the hypocrisy and enablers behind Hollywood’s troubled men.

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Main Segments & Themes

1. Ashton Kutcher’s “Comeback” and Troubled History

Kutcher’s Hollywood Return Amid Scandal

• (00:30, 38:00) Ashton Kutcher is launching a comeback with Ryan Murphy’s new show Beauty, after three years out of the limelight, re-emerging as close associates like Danny Masterson and Sean 'Diddy' Combs face serious criminal charges.
• Maureen’s Take: “Buckle up, motherfucker… trust me, he's going to be hurting when the Nerve is done with him today.” (00:30)

Personal Encounters & Character Testimony

• (04:32) Callahan and Schofield both cite Kutcher as the rudest celebrity they've met—mean-spirited and egoistic to the point of demoralizing young entertainment reporters:
  • Quote – Maureen Callahan: “Ashton is always my answer. He was so mean spirited and rude that I walked away from that wondering if I should continue to pursue this as a career.” (04:32)

Association with Sean 'Diddy' Combs

• (38:00–41:00) Kutcher’s long history with Diddy is highlighted, including a brag-filled Hot Ones story about their “bizarre” friendship—even as Diddy faces multiple sexual assault and abuse charges.
  • Quote – Maureen: “America wasn’t ready for Ashton and Diddy to be palling around together? Please.” (40:30)
• Callahan directly links Kutcher’s reluctance to address Diddy’s crimes to Hollywood’s culture of silence:
  • “Are those some of the stories you can’t tell Ashton? Just asking.” (43:00)

Insensitive Behavior and Sketchy Associations

• Ashley Ellerin Murder Case: Callahan details Kutcher’s questionable conduct upon discovering the murder scene of Ashley Ellerin, his date, and his subsequent actions (not calling the police, prioritizing his own legal protection).
• Brittany Murphy’s Death: Connects the deaths of Brittany Murphy and Diddy associate Kim Porter—both ruled pneumonia—to a pattern of young Hollywood deaths surrounded by suspicious circumstances, highlighting Kutcher and Diddy’s close circles.

Kutcher’s Treatment of Women

• Demi Moore’s Memoir & Interviews: Explores Kutcher’s pressure on Moore to drink and participate in threesomes (“the cost of doing business”).
  • Quote – Demi Moore: “He expressed something that was of a fantasy. And it was in my efforts to want to please and be what I thought he wanted.” (57:04)
  • Kutcher’s serial cheating and public humiliation of Moore (cheating with a 21-year-old the night before their wedding anniversary).

Defending a Rapist: The Danny Masterson Letters

• Details the full context of Danny Masterson’s rape conviction and Kutcher and Mila Kunis’s character references on his behalf.
• Highlights Kunis’s own story about being “bet on” for her first kiss by Kutcher and Masterson at age 14—a chilling retroactive echo in light of Masterson’s crimes.
  • Quote – Mila Kunis: “I was a 14 year old little girl and I was extremely scared for my life.” (63:05)
• Reads from Kutcher’s letter:
  • “He is among few people I would trust to be alone with my son and daughter.”
  • Maureen scathingly unpacks the hypocrisy: “He violently, brutally raped at least one girl at fucking gunpoint. Okay, if you say so.” (66:00–67:00)
• Notes Kutcher’s forced resignation from a child-sex abuse nonprofit post character-letter outrage, and critiques his and Kunis’s apology video as self-serving and lacking empathy for victims.

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2. Royals Segment: Harry and Meghan’s PR Flailing

Meghan Markle’s Branding Schemes & Reactive PR

• (07:32–12:50, 16:32–21:19) Schofield and Callahan analyze Markle’s Instagram maneuvers (using “Duchess of Sussex” to shill products/rebranding herself), and the couple’s clumsy attempts at controlling their narrative.
  • Quote – Maureen Callahan: “She’s so lazy when it comes to what's right and wrong in the space that she continues to try to monetize, that she doesn't realize she's using the divorced or widowed title.” (07:32)
  • The infamous barefoot dance video: “This does give hostage video thanks to the black and white filter.” (10:15)
• PR desperation is attributed to stories about marital trouble and business failures (failed podcast/Netflix deals).
  • Quote – Kinsey: “One of my biggest observations about Harry and Megan's ineffective PR strategy is that they tend to focus on being reactive instead of proactive.” (11:14)

Royal Family’s Reaction/Dismissal

• Family members (Charles, William, Catherine) actively avoid Harry during UK visit—no contact, immediately leaving town.
  • Quote – Kinsey Schofield: “Harry brings trouble. And if the king was so desperate to reconnect, he would.” (26:09)

Meghan’s Charity Scandal

• Archie and Lilibet barely make appearances—children used for PR as business ventures fail.
• Callahan digs into the Markle charity “incubation” model and the sudden, quiet offloading of their children’s online safety charity, noting media avoidance and persistent staff departures at Archewell.
  • “There’s only one staff member left at Archewell?... That’s the headline.” (19:04–19:17)

Royal Face-Offs and a Possible Checkmate

• Speculation about whether Charles’s illness is leveraged to force Meghan back to the UK—framed as a PR “corner.”
  • “She either shows up and takes her booze...or she stays home. But she's in a lose, lose. And I like it as a checkmate.” (21:40)

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Ashton Kutcher’s character:
  • “He had America fooled for a little bit, but trust me, he's going to be hurting when the Nerve is done with him today.” (06:01, Maureen Callahan)
  • “I don't fucking think so. Back in a minute.” (30:00, Maureen Callahan)
• Diddy and Ashton:
  • “What are the odds that Sean Combs would have connections to three people who died relatively young of pneumonia?” (51:14, Maureen Callahan)
• Danny Masterson’s Rapes & Kutcher’s Support:
  • “In our 25 year relationship, I don’t ever recall him lying to me.” (Kutcher’s letter, 66:30)
  • Maureen’s retort: “He violently, brutally raped at least one girl at fucking gunpoint. Okay, if you say so.” (67:00)
• On Mila Kunis and early sexualization:
  • Mila Kunis: “I was a 14 year old little girl and I was extremely scared for my life.” (63:05)
  • Rosie O’Donnell: “And then the cops showed up and he got arrested... they should have, but they didn’t.” (63:47)
• On Meghan Markle’s social media games:
  • “She is in constant conflict with the media. And there’s Harry in London this week, literally in conflict with the media suing a media entity...” (14:08, Maureen Callahan)
• Royal avoidance:
  • “It's like he's just not that into you, you know, Honestly, they can't trust him. Everything they say to him ends up printed somewhere.” (26:09, Maureen Callahan)

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Key Takeaways & Insights

• Ashton Kutcher’s pattern of self-serving, aggressive behavior—emotional cruelty, defending rapists, and close, uncritical relationships with toxic men—unravels the celebrity facade often protected by entertainment media.
• The “Hollywood silence” around abuse, and the inability/unwillingness of stars to speak out, especially when it threatens their own careers or comfort, is dissected at length, with Kutcher as prime case study.
• Harry and Meghan’s increasingly desperate PR strategies and the real Royal Family’s cold dismissal are used to discuss authenticity vs. image management in the public eye.
• Persistent use of children as PR props by the Sussexes, charity maneuvering at Archewell, and continued celebrity hypocrisy are all skewered with pointed, sometimes brutal humor.

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Timeline of Major Segments

| Timestamp | Segment / Topic | |------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:30–04:00 | Show opening, Kutcher comeback preview, segment intro | | 04:18–07:00 | Royal news – Kinsey Schofield joins, reminiscences about interviewing Ashton Kutcher | | 07:32–16:00 | Meghan Markle’s Instagram & PR analysis, Sussex marriage/speculation | | 16:32–21:19 | Royal Family avoidance, forced charity transfer, ongoing distance with Harry/Meghan | | 21:19–29:00 | Archewell staff exodus, speculation about Harry’s return/security, family priorities | | 38:00–44:30 | Main event: Ashton Kutcher, Diddy friendship, context of Diddy’s charges/violence | | 44:54–56:00 | Testimonies, Kutcher’s relationships, Brittany Murphy and Kim Porter deaths | | 56:00–63:00 | Demi Moore’s experiences with Kutcher, public cheating, power imbalances | | 63:00–68:00 | Danny Masterson conviction, Kutcher’s and Kunis’s defense letters, apology video, podcast wrap |

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Final Thoughts

With a biting blend of outrage and dark humor, this episode lays bare the festering underbelly of celebrity culture—how power, privilege, and image routinely trump justice, self-reflection, or basic decency. The message is clear: public “comebacks” must be scrutinized, not simply enabled, and the public can (and should) say “no more.”

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Transcript

[Maureen Callahan]

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[Co-host or Producer]

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[Maureen Callahan]

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[Co-host or Producer]

Momento sen o frecido porriquea encuentre en supas interior Ordenando surropa interior que organizarca da cajon se a como una organisen y solucione suca ostiario con un nuevo armario. Hello and welcome to the Nerve at Night. I am your host, Maureen Callahan, and oh, man, do we have a great, great show for you today. A little bit later, it's. This is a mother of a segment. Ashton Kutcher. Ashton Kutcher is trying for his showbiz comeback. For the last three years, he's been relatively quiet, with good reason. Diddy, one of his longtime BFFs, Danny Masterson, one of his longtime BFFs, currently serving 30 years to life on two counts of rape. This guy wants back in. He's making his debut tonight in a new Ryan Murphy show. It's called the Beauty. Or is it called Beauty? Marlena, can you tell me? It's called the Beauty. Ironic. Ashton, you know, we at the Nerve have long memories, okay? And we're noticing that the mainstream entertainment media is moving a little bit in our direction, which means they might be moving a lot in our direction. So. Ashton. But. Buckle up, motherfucker. Okay, then. But that's. That's a little bit later in the show. We will have your feedback before that. And on top of it, one of the people who just sort of brings sunshine to the Nerve. It's a nice counterbalance to the darkness. Kinsey Schofield is going to join us for the latest in royal news. You know, New Year's Day, nothing activates a Meghan Markle like a New Year's Day. Okay, troublemakers, are you ready? Are you ready? Let's go. As weather gets colder, blood pressure tends to rise due to the narrowing of blood vessels, increased salt cravings, and less physical activity. But you have the ability to take control with 120Life. 120Life is a blend of great tasting super fruit juices that can help Lower your blood pressure naturally. It is trusted by over 1000 health professionals and used by people everywhere who have seen real, measurable results. You can try it yourself risk free with their two week trial. Just go to 120life.com and use code nerve n e r v e to save 15%. You can track your progress with a simple blood pressure monitor. Watch your numbers drop and feel the difference. Plus, it's completely risk free. If you don't see lower numbers in two weeks, you get your money back. Go to 120life.com. That's 120-life.com and remember to use code nerve to save 15%. This is serious. This is your life we're talking about. And 120 life can help. Don't wait. Take control of your health today. Joining us now, Kinsey Schofield, host of the Must Subscribe, Kinsey Schofield, unfiltered Kinsey. Welcome back to the Nerve.

[Maureen Callahan]

You look so old Hollywood glam today. I think I'm in love with you.

[Co-host or Producer]

Oh, well, thanks, Kinsey. I had a lot of help getting prepped and you, as ever, look like a ray of sunshine. No pun intended, as ever.

[Maureen Callahan]

Can I just tell you really quickly, loving your Ashton Kutcher coverage. You know when they ask us who the worst person we've ever interviewed was or the rudest person you've ever met with was? Ashton is always my answer. Ashton is always my answer. It was during a junket for some movie he did with Katherine Heigl and I was very new to entertainment news. I was so thrilled to interview him because at the time he was like the king of Twitter and he was just cool and he defeated me to the point where I thought, I don't think I should pursue this anymore. He was so mean spirited and rude that I walked away from that wondering if I should continue to pursue this as a career.

[Co-host or Producer]

Do you remember exactly what happened or what he said? That just sort of really wounded a bit.

[Maureen Callahan]

I went in there with a lot of energy, expecting the person that we see on TV on like punk. You remember he was fun and big energy and he sat back in his junket chair and just shot me down. Every time I tried to pull something fun out of him, he just shot it down to the point where I was like, does he hate his life? Does you know when you just get the feeling that they don't want to talk to you, that they don't want to be there and they don't want to talk to you. So it wasn't anything specific that he Said he just made me feel very small and like he wanted to be anywhere but there, you know?

[Co-host or Producer]

I hate hearing stories like that because, for one thing, celebrities who are that experienced can tell when an entertainment reporter who is new is coming in, who is sort of new to the field, who is a little bit green, who might have a little bit of nervous or excitement. Nervous energy or excited energy. Right. And he's probably sat there. I can imagine the body language. I can imagine the affect and just acting like he was too good to be there and too good to answer whatever questions you were throwing his way. Questions, by the way, in those situations, which were always designed to make the celebrity look good, look affable, make people want to spend their time and money to go see their shitty fucking movie with Katherine Heigl that was so shitty, we can't even remember the name of it, let alone the year, you know, so that just goes to, you know, he's always been a dick. He's always been an asshole. He had. He had America fooled for a little bit, but trust me, he's going to. He's going to be hurting when the Nerve is done with him today. Hope you're watching Ashton. Hope your publicist has forwarded this to you. Okay, let's get to another offender, Kinsey, one who is really your specialty. Meghan Markle opens the New Year. Last year for 2025, we had a black and white reel. We've revisited it more than enough. This year she changed her Instagram handle. Now it's not only. It's not just the solo moniker, Megan, it's Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex. Tell us what this means.

[Maureen Callahan]

Well, to be fair, she. This was an issue last year because everyone is saying she's using. She's got the Duchess of Sussex title on her Instagram handle and she's using the Instagram handle as a vehicle to shill products. But again, this is a conversation we've had a couple of times. She's so lazy when it comes to royal protocol. She's so lazy when it comes to what's right and wrong in the space that she continues to try to monetize that she doesn't realize that she's using the divorced or widowed title.

[Co-host or Producer]

Or does she? Or does she?

[Maureen Callahan]

Or does she? Or does she? Is she trying to brand herself away from her husband? Some say yes. But those pathetic posts over the weekend, they're trying. They're trying to tell a different story.

[Co-host or Producer]

So wait, Kinsey, just before we move on to the very odd, I find creepy video that she posted why we've all been those of us who watch her on Instagram, the handle has been Megan. The verified handle has just been Megan. She's like Cher. She's like Madonna. She's a star. She's just one. One name.

[Maureen Callahan]

Her name is Megan Duchess of Sussex. But her at handle and remember, she schemed long and hard when it came to this Instagram comeback. She secured that name years before she actually relaunched her Instagram. She had a, I believe it was an eyeball or a flower that used to be that profile picture. And she lurked using that account for years before she launched it as, you know, a marketing or a way for her to market her products on Instagram. But it is still just Megan.

[Co-host or Producer]

So it's always been like a dual identity that she's been toggling between on Instagram. Yeah, okay. Yeah, okay, okay. So let's look at this Instagram post of Meghan spontaneously erupting in dance with Harry on what seems to be their acreage, barefoot, as one does with the videographer credit belonging to their four year old daughter Lilibet. Let's take a look at this. There's no music. Oh, there was music underneath. We had to remove it for licensing reasons. But they're just spontaneously dancing. He's turning her around.

[Maureen Callahan]

This does give hostage video thanks to the black and white filter.

[Co-host or Producer]

Now they're dancing, just shoved up against each other. They're so happy. I think, Kinsey, what we're meant to take from this is that despite 2025 being one of their. We can stop running it, you guys. It's just, it's insufferable to look at. Despite 2025 being one of their worst years ever, you know, Harry had finally his long awaited official royal summit with Charles and that blew up in his face. Meghan, her podcast, her second iteration of her podcast was not renewed. Second version of her Netflix show. Netflix failed to renew. They have a quote unquote first look deal. And she ended the year with a bang by telling her father, who's begging for reconciliation with his leg freshly amputated in a hospital in the Philipp Philippines. We have not forgotten here at the nerve that he can off. This is going to be the year for them. Kinsey.

[Maureen Callahan]

One of my biggest observations about Harry and Megan's ineffective PR strategy is that they tend to focus on being reactive instead of proactive. And this is another example of Meghan Markle just clapping back. And if you look at some pro Sussex outlets, they say that like, oh, look at Megan clapping Back at the haters, there's been an increase in stories. I mean, they're tabloid stories, but there's been an increase in stories surrounding the status of their happily ever after. You know, is Harry missing the life he left behind? Is Megan too focused on work and those. Those stories focused on tension in the home? You and I, we've said it a million times. Harry and Megan are not getting divorced tomorrow. No, but are we old enough to remember when Charles and Diana faced similar whispers? Yeah, we are. I mean, those stories circulated for months and years before we found out what was really going on behind the scenes. And it wasn't great. So I look at this, and I see Meghan Markle lashing out at Radar's why Homesick Prince Harry is done with his life in the US With Meghan headline. And I think of the other headline. Meghan and Harry headed for 2026 divorce after argument. And I just think that this is her reacting to. To those types of headlines. She told Jamie Kern Lima that she, during her 2025 tour, that she was tired of the prove it game. And that seems to be all we see from her.

[Co-host or Producer]

You know, there's part of that reel, and we'll show it. I think it really begins with. We see Harry in a distance, just standing there, as usual, useless. He's just standing there, waiting for something to happen. And then into the frame bounds Meghan Markle barefoot. Like, they're both barefoot. You know, it's just. It's gross. It's like they're both barefoot, like, because this is just so spontaneous and like, for no reason that we can see, she suddenly feels the need to run towards her husband of many years and leap into his arms and wrap her legs around him. And it just. What strikes me is how unseemly and unroyal it looks. I understand that Charles and Camilla were not as thrilled with Catherine, Princess of Wales, issuing that video in which she was openly affectionate with William and the children in nature after she announced she was in remission or she had finished her course of chemotherapy, that they felt it was unroyal, that it was a little too touchy feely, a little too intimate. But this video, to me, is just as you say, it's. It's. What are you trying to prove? If you're that happy, why not just live your life behind closed doors?

[Maureen Callahan]

You know, it's a step up from twerking in a public space. So I will. I will say I'm grateful that she's not squatting in as well. As much in that video. But yeah, it's. Why are you so desperate? Let it go, move on. It feels like she is in constant conflict with the media. And there's Harry in London this week, literally in conflict with the media suing a media entity with his good friend Elton John, which by the way, I'm hoping that you take him to town. Did you know that Elton John sued the UK media about a story about his husband cheating on him? Something about olive oil is involved. I think it's a three way. But UK media is legally not allowed to talk about this story ever.

[Co-host or Producer]

I know, I know, I know. The libel laws are so much different in the uk. They are so much stricter. I mean, to your point, Harry is. Well, first, before we get to this, before we get to this, I just want to show something else because according to Megan, Lily, who is four years old, took that video. Now that video seems remarkably professional to me. Like there's no wandering around. The camera isn't shaking or moving or losing focus. We don't even hear like a four year old's giggling. Trust me, if there were, we would hear it because it would prove that she's got a happy kid and she's a good mom. So she's always like, she's always trying to sort of sell this version of domesticity that never ever really seems logical or rational or like the person we know what four year old is shooting a video like that, you know. And then finally, not finally, but we see a close up of Archie's, the back of his head feeding a rhino. Where we don't know. But why are we seeing this? I mean, again, I thought we were not supposed to see the children at all. At all. And like you and I have been saying ever since they moved here, as every successive business venture has tanked, Meghan is inching up closer and closer to revealing the faces of these children.

[Maureen Callahan]

Well, you know, they just unloaded their, their, their charity that they had created about protecting children online off to another charity.

[Co-host or Producer]

Were they pushed out? Were they like.

[Maureen Callahan]

Actually, I think on, I truly think that they were, but I think that they learned a really hard lesson PR wise from caal. So they said red or they said white flag, we surrender. We're going to quietly push this over to this other charity because they didn't want another Dr. Sophie Shandaka doing the media round saying they're racist, they're sexist. Megan Marle's a diva. Dr. Sophie Shandaka really rocked their world in 2025. You know, costing Harry A charity that he set up in honor of his mother. So I do wonder if things went.

[Co-host or Producer]

South and very quickly. I mean, I believe they announced their involvement. Their co option, in my opinion, of this preexisting charity, which is dedicated, forgive me, I forget the name, but it's. The purpose of it is to combat teenage suicide as caused by interactions with social media. Right. Or online bullying. And why these two inserted themselves, I have no idea. The American media was all too happy to help. Harry and Meghan did a huge sit down with Jane Pauly on CBS Sunday Morning. You know, putting on their best concerned faces and talking about the importance of combating online. Says Meghan Markle, the woman who shed, what, 30 people last year? I mean, I'm slightly exaggerating, but 30 staff, you know, and, and so for them, never forget Chrissy Teigen.

[Maureen Callahan]

Never forget Chris.

[Co-host or Producer]

Never forget Chrissy Teigen, the ultimate online bully on Megan's Netflix show. And less than a year later, they're stepping back voluntarily from this charity.

[Maureen Callahan]

Yeah, the Parents Network is what it was called. Absolutely right. It's to prevent, you know, children getting into trouble online and, and the, the harm social media can ca line. And they've transferred it from Archewell Philanthropies, you know, to Parents Together. And it does feel very odd that it just kind of was swept under the rug. And, and you know, actually what really stuck out at me is Archwell's spokesperson, who, by the way, I got some intel on a friend of mine used to work with the only person left at Archwell now that James Holt's gone. And he was like, she is an emotional terrorist, allegedly. He said, she's perfect for Megan Markle. They're the same person any side.

[Co-host or Producer]

Wait a second, Kinsey, are you saying there's only one staff member left at Archewell? Yes, there's one. Okay. That's the headline. Only how of how many of how many originally do you know?

[Maureen Callahan]

Well, it was James Holt and this other woman that were in charge of the, I mean, at least the communications part and the strategy part. And now it's down to one woman who's not even a full time employee.

[Co-host or Producer]

And I would just like to again make a gentle request to the IRS to begin looking into Archewell and where the money's going go.

[Maureen Callahan]

But their, their, their reaction to this is no, this is what we typically do. We incubate and then we hand it over to someone else. Look at Travelist. Look at, look at Invictus. That is a, in my opinion, that is A lie. Invictus and Travelist were entities set up under the British Royal family umbrella. And if you go look at their websites, Harry and Megan are still. Or one of. One or the other are still mentioned on the website as having an important role within those charities. And Harry and Megan have been wiped from this charity involving parents. They've been wiped?

[Co-host or Producer]

Yeah. They're not wanted. So, Invictus, please, like, okay, what was Travelist again, by the way? I can't remember half of the inane shit they put their names to.

[Maureen Callahan]

What was Travelist is Harry's company that tries to help people lower their carbon footprint when they travel. This is a man on private jets to go anywhere, and he wants you to lower you your carbon footprint when you travel.

[Co-host or Producer]

Of course. And I'm sure he flew private over to the UK to appear in court, which, by the way, to me, the most notable part of this story is what you texted me yesterday morning, which is his rapidly vanishing hairline. And I'm just going to be a bitch about it because he was a total little bitch about it in spare when he made sure to mention his brother, the future King of England, England's receding hairline. So karma's a bitch. You little. Pratt. Okay, now to Invictus. It looks like Harry will be getting the security detail that he has been agitating for lo these many years.

[Maureen Callahan]

Are you really hearing that, though? Because I'm hearing this is all a PR strategy to try to influence Ravik, that Ravik has not sat down yet. That decision has not been made. And the reason we're seeing the avalanche of these stories saying it's approved is because they're desperate to influence that decision.

[Co-host or Producer]

That's interesting. I'm reading multiple reports, many of which are conflicting, but the narrative that I find personally the one that makes the most sense is that, you know, Charles is sick and he wants to see his grandchildren. And if this is the olive branch that he can extend while he is sick, still alive, the reigning monarch. Because he, too knows that once William ascends to the throne, Harry's got no way back. So it's now or never. Right? It's now or never. And also, if this olive branch is extended and Harry is able to return to London with full security detail, this also boxes Meghan Markle into a corner, because if she doesn't come, she looks as heartless and lizardly as she ever has. But not so much as she told her ailing father, who is now missing a body part to f off. Okay, and you've Got a monarch who is ill, who wants to see his grandchildren, one of whom was named singularly after Queen Elizabeth ii. So she shows up. And Diana. So she either shows up and takes her booze and her lumps and what she's got coming from the British public, or she stays home. But she's in a lose, lose. And I like it as a checkmate.

[Maureen Callahan]

I don't know how to say this without looking so cold, but it's my understanding that King Charles being with the grandchildren is not high on the priority list. Really?

[Co-host or Producer]

That doesn't. That doesn't make you sound cold, personally. That's your reporting. Do tell me. Do tell me.

[Maureen Callahan]

It's just. For instance, Harry's in London right now, and the King and William and Catherine, they all hightailed it to Scotland. They're like, we want nothing to do with Harry while he's in town doing this. We don't want there to be any. Like, they're like, let's just squash the reports right now that there could be any meeting. We're just going to get out of Dodge. Yeah. And it's interesting because these stories that started to leak. Matt Wilkinson is a friend of mine. The. The. He is the one that reported this init. The security, I believe. And what's his outlet?

[Co-host or Producer]

Kinsey.

[Maureen Callahan]

What's so interesting about that initial report was that it says that if Harry doesn't get his way, it's because of interference from the British royal family, almost extortion, you know, like them saying if he doesn't get it, it's because the royal family stepped in and screwed things up for him. And so that's why I lean towards the. This is just a bullying campaign for them to get their way so Harry can show and create this rival court. And I don't mean in a formal way. Nobody's going to be bowing to him, chasing him around. But he wants to create. He wants to distract from the good work William's doing, and then he just needs to look like a royal so he can come back to the United States or a Toronto Hilton and get paid, you know, an ungodly amount of money for that royal proximity. But it's my understanding that that's like the King hanging out with the grandkids. He doesn't know these kids. You know, he. I believe that Harry and the King talk maybe, maybe once a month over video chat, maybe, but he does not have a relationship with these children online.

[Co-host or Producer]

So when they chat over video, like FaceTime. Secure FaceTime, your understanding is that King Charles does not talk to the children.

[Maureen Callahan]

No, I mean, he. He'll say hi to them, but that's.

[Co-host or Producer]

Oh, so they do. So, okay, so. So this narrative that. That per Matt Wilkinson's reporting, the inferences, the sourcing is likely, allegedly, reportedly. Just my opinion, Harry. That's Harry saying, if I don't get it, it's because the royals are being mean to me. Okay, yes.

[Maureen Callahan]

Yeah. Yes.

[Co-host or Producer]

And that this other. This other narrative that, like, the king would love to meet the grandchildren. He's met the grandchildren. It's virtually. But whatever. He has met them, he does have a relationship with them. But as you always point out and every royal expert points out, the royals do nothing by accident. And for Charles and Camilla, if Camilla's with Charles, Catherine and William, to decamp to Scotland is their nonverbal way of saying, we are getting as far away from this mess as humanly possible.

[Maureen Callahan]

I mean, Harry brings trouble. And if the king was so desperate to reconnect, he would. You know, it's like he's just not that into you, you know, Honestly, they can't trust him. Everything they say to him ends up printed somewhere. Or Harry ends up complaining that he. That somebody took a security wand to his crotch to ensure that he wasn't mic'd up. And I just think that they're keeping their distance. Harry, I think, is homesick. And I also think that he realizes no one cares about him unless he is associated with this family. And that's where that desperation comes from.

[Co-host or Producer]

And he shouldn't really worry so much about that security wand to his crotch because as we all know, his gonads and his genitalia are secreted by one Meghan Markle somewhere in the Montecito estate, never to be seen again unless she decides to let them out. Kinsey, thank you. Thank you for the New Year's update as to what the gruesome twosome are up to and what the thinking and the approach is. Practically out of the palace proper. We will talk to you again very soon here at the Nerve. Bye. Bye. That's it. And before we get into Ashton Kutcher, trust me, I've been waiting to do this for. For months. For months I've had this building up. It's going to be very cathartic. We will be back first with your feedback. Back in a minute. The old adage, you are what you eat feels truer as we age. And so many of us are always searching for an on the go protein snack that truly satisfies. Introducing mosh bars founded by Maria Shriver and her son Patrick Schwarzenegger. Mosh was created to spark conversation around brain health. After Maria's father battled Alzheimer's, they partnered with top scientists to create bars made with brain supporting ingredients like Ashwagandha, Lion's Mane, Collagen, Omega 3s and Cognizant, a premium nootropic. They taste amazing in nine flavors including new plant based options. Even better, Mosh donates proceeds to women's Alzheimer's research and supports future discoveries. If you want to find ways to give back to others and fuel your body and your brain, Mosh bars are the perfect choice for you. Head to moshlife.com nerve to save 20 off plus free shipping on the Bestsellers Trial Pack or the new plant based trial pack. That's 20% off plus free shipping on the on either the Bestsellers Trial Pack or the plant based trial packet M O S H l I f e.com nerve thank you mosh for sponsoring this episode. We've been trying to conceive for a while but my cycles are so irregular. My doctor doesn't listen. Period. App doesn't help.

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We are back with your emails and a little troublemaker art. It's so good. Okay, this subject line is GLP ones and this is from a troublemaker named Nancy. I have to disagree with your opinion on GLP1s. It's changed my life. I can finally get through the day without thinking of food and eating all day. I have tried every every diet out there, even bariatric surgery and always gained the weight back. I exercised. I've been to counseling. I felt like I was beaten. I never felt good. Joints hurt. I was embarrassed to go out the Day I took my first shot of Zepbound. I felt like someone flipped a switch. I wasn't hungry anymore. It's worked great for me over a year. I go to the gym, I play pickleball. Pickleball. Nothing hurts. It's not for Ariana Grande, but it seems very appropriate for some of us. Give us some grace. I feel it's similar to an addiction of cocaine, meaning the food. It's not as simple as put down the cookie. Thank you for reading, Nancy. Thank you for this email. I'm completely sympathetic, and I do think, you know, I've talked about this a lot with Jillian Michaels, and I really do think there is a segment of the population for whom GLP1s are absolutely the answer. And people like yourself who have tried everything and whose body is just completely resistant to weight loss. I mean, that you even tried bariatric surgery and it came back. Or is it bariatric? I'm sorry, I think it's bariatric, but I'm really talking about the messaging that we're getting from the culture and the likes of dark forces such as Oprah that everybody should just take it. And now that it's in pill form, that messaging is only going to get worse. That if you have a stubborn five or ten pounds, you need to lose, just take the jab or just take the pill, and your problem will be solved. You know, I was on Megyn Kelly's show last week, and this came up, and she said that Kali Means, who's at the forefront of a lot of the Maha movement and the. And the changing tides of public health, is convinced that the GLP1s will eventually be recalled. So I only. I only come at it from this angle because I think, you know, I hear from a lot of people, and I've read a lot of stuff about the dire, dire side effects that these. That come with these drugs. Everything from vision blindness to potentially losing organs to stomach paralysis, where food sits in there for weeks, where surgeons will not do surgery on anyone on GLP1 until they're off of the drug for a month, because you can aspirate to death under anesthesia. It goes on and on and on. And, you know, big pharma doesn't want anybody to know about this stuff. Why? Because they want drug addicts for life. Okay. They want all of us on it. Okay, moving on. This one's a lighter one. Dear Maureen, hello again from Canada. Oh, I love this. This is troublemaker Nadia and her cat Daisy. And we have art to show you that Nadia put together. It's adorable. Teddy Van Halen is Sherlock and Daisy is Watson and Nadia has depicted them here as Puss and Pooch. The desperate search for Stedman continues. You know Teddy, this is not a really good he photographs in person, sometimes much better. He looks a little aged and run down here, but you know, this search has been all consuming. Nadia writes, my beloved cat Daisy is back and she's not alone here. She is pictured with Teddy Van Halen. They are on the trail of Steadman, scouring the streets with their trusty pipe. I really want Teddy to quit smoking. Magnifying glass and nervy red accented attire as they hastily search for clues of his whereabouts. Oh my God, Nadia. A shadowy figure is after them. Could it be the mistress of darkness herself? Stay tuned for the next episode of Puss and Pooch. The desperate search for Stedman continues. And from troublemaker Michael Dear Maureen, your insights and taste in actually liking Ethan Hawke, in my troublemaker's opinion, is spot on. Thanks Michael. I agree he is excellent not only in his work, but whenever I see a celebrity, Michael says, I live in Manhattan, I see them all the time. I get vibes, okay? He says whenever he saw Ethan on the street, he was beautiful. So humble, without ego and attitude. Compared to Andy Cohen, who he's run past on the street twice, this troublemaker Michael says, lame, crude and gross. Love you Michael. Keep the feedback coming. Email me at [e-mail] or DM me on Instagram Maureen Callahanrider or the Nerve Show. And remember to subscribe to the Nerves Substack. That is our weekly email full of bonus content. Go over to thenerveshow.com, see the prompt, enter your email and boom. Every Friday, 3pm Eastern, our email arrives in your inbox. No other effort required. Coming up, we are going in on one of the darkest forces at work currently in the culture who has yet to be held to account. He is very famous. He has been on the back foot, rightly for the past couple of years and he wants back in. 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To the main event of this edition of the Nerve at night. Ashton Kutcher. This is a dark guy. This is a dark guy and I think a dangerous guy. And he's looking for an acting comeback right now. Starring in Ryan Murphy's body horror show, Beauty, premiering tonight, Wednesday, January 21st. And he's been making the media rounds and he's getting kid glove treatment. Not here at the Nerve. We will begin with Ashton's great friendship with one Sean Diddy Combs. This is an episode of Hot Ones, which was reposted by Access Hollywood. See Access Hollywood, they can do good. They can do good when they want to. Hot. So this was from Hot Ones, reposted by Access on Instagram on September 20, 2024. What? This is after the indictment, after Sean Combs was arrested. Okay, so, but Ashton gave this interview before we knew all of this before the rest of us knew. Okay, Hollywood knew my opinion. What stories can Ashton tell the rest of us about Diddy here? We go, the party stories.

[Guest or Interviewee]

They're our favorite genre of anecdote, if you have one.

[Co-host or Producer]

Yeah.

[Guest or Interviewee]

Wow. Okay. I've got a lot I can't tell, so I can't tell that one either. I mean, like, actually cycling through them. There was one moment, so it's not really a party story, but our relationship was really bizarre. So it started over punked because he was like, yo, don't punk. You can't punk me. And I was like, I don't want to tell you. Everybody's on the table. He's like, not me. I'm off the table. And so that started our conversation. We became fast friends and we used to hang out, watch football together. And he came over and I was like, I'm going for a run. He's like, oh, I'll go for a run with you. So he comes over to go for a run. About halfway through the run, he's like, yo, I'm running out of gas right now. But we had like paparazzi all around us at the time. He's like, you gotta slow down and. But make it look like you're not slowing down.

[Co-host or Producer]

Because he had to.

[Guest or Interviewee]

I don't want to look like I'm not gonna be able to finish this thing. And he was losing it, right? Like, he was like me right now with the wings and the heat starting to kick up. And he's like. And so we finish out the run. And then he. He was so upset over the fact that he got skunked on this run that year, he decided to run the New York Marathon. And so he just started immediately training for the New York Marathon.

[Maureen Callahan]

I like that.

[Guest or Interviewee]

Bounce back. Well, he just can't lose.

[Co-host or Producer]

Yes, he can, Ashton. Yes, he can. And what a fitting metaphor. Sean Combs on the run. Okay, now to a Radar headline. Inside Sean Diddy Combs and Ashton Kutcher's 20 year friendship after Actor is linked to Jailed Stars Freak Offs following Arrest on Sex Charges per Radar Online. December 19, 2024. The actor I'm reading from that report said in 2006, Our friendship has made me realize that people are becoming comfortable with something that is still very uncomfortable. When I was hanging out with Sean, people couldn't comprehend why this Iowa farm lad lad what American talks like that was associating with this hip hop tycoon from New York. But it wasn't because he was a hip hop mogul and I was a farm boy. It was because he was black and I was white. It was as simple as that. If he was a white Hip hop artist from New York. Nobody would have batted an eye. Bullshit. Okay? Ashton Kutcher is like the Jackie Robinson of pop cultural super famous friendships. America wasn't ready for Ashton and Diddy to be palling around together. Please. The indictment against Sean Diddy Combs again from Radar Online, September 20, 2024. The three count indictment against Combs was unsealed following his arrest this week revealing that. Revealing allegations that he quote, planned and controlled these freak offs and often electronically recorded them. Prosecutors said these sessions, quote involved multiple commercial sex workers and often involved a variety of narcotics such as ketamine, ecstasy and GHB which Combs distributed to the sex workers to keep them obedient and compliant. The indictment further alleged, quote, when Combs didn't get his way, he was violent and subjected victims to physical, emotional and verbal abuse so that they would participate in the freak offs and claimed he, quote, hit, kicked, threw objects at and dragged victims at times by their hair. The alleged incidents date back to at least 2008. Multiple civil suits brought by males and females claiming Combs sexually assaulted them as minors. One was then a 10 year old boy. Are those some of the stories you can't tell Ashton? Just asking. CNN first publishes the Cassie video on May 17, 2024 and because apparently we need to keep showing it so people like Ashton Kutcher can't skate by on what's left of their good looks and vanishing fake charm. Let's show it again. In case you are listening and not watching, this is the infamous video. He has thrown Cassie to the floor of an elevator bank in a hotel room and he is kicking her while she is literally down in the back, the buttocks and the gut. And then he grabs her and begins dragging her down the hallway. I don't believe and I consume a shit ton of media and done it, did a ton of reporting for this segment that we have ever, ever, ever heard Ashton Kutcher denounce Diddy or make a single comment about that horrific beating of Cassie. Now let's build our case like the cultural criminal prosecutors we are or in this case criminal cultural prosecutors. Ashton Kutcher. I submit our proof that he has always been a garden variety asshole. Of course he mushroomed into a true dangerous guy. Again, just my opinion. Here's his ex girlfriend, Mad Men star January Jones on Watch what happens live back on September 26, 2016 when they both got to LA, they were dating, they were living together and they were both struggling young actors. Here's January on what kind of a surprise supportive boyfriend Ashton was back then.

[Maureen Callahan]

January.

[Co-host or Producer]

Have you ever talked to Ashton Kutcher since he said you couldn't act?

[Maureen Callahan]

And what do you think about his acting skills?

[Co-host or Producer]

Ooh, ouch. You said so. You said in an article in GQ that.

[Maureen Callahan]

That he had said that about you, right?

[Co-host or Producer]

No, I didn't. I said that someone I had dated previously wasn't encouraging of my acting. Not that I couldn't. Not a denial person I'd ever acted, seen me act.

[Guest or Interviewee]

Got it.

[Co-host or Producer]

But the person who wrote the interview did the math and thought it might be him. So I never really said who it was.

[Guest or Interviewee]

I got it.

[Co-host or Producer]

Yeah. But I haven't talked to him. But I'm super happy for him and his family to be political and all that. So that's an admission. It's a non admission admission. We all know the great thespian Ashton Kutcher of Dude, Where's My Car Is like Lawrence Olivier over here critiquing January Jones. Okay, now, dark guy, Dark guy again. In his early days in Hollywood, Ashton went by the house of a young woman named Ashley Ellerin. They had a date that night she was murdered in her own home. I am in no way, in no way implying Ashton had anything to do with this. They caught the guy, There was a trial. He is now in prison. Okay, but there is something Ashton has to do with this case that has never sat right with me. And to me it goes to the complete lack of a moral compass and the complete lack of regard this guy has for women. Okay, Maybe he and Diddy have a little more in common than I thought. And I'm not saying Ashton's a rapist. I'm not saying Ashton beats women. But you know how we talked about the way Diddy abused women would seem to indicate that perhaps maybe he really, really doesn't like them, sexually or otherwise. I'm not saying anything. I'm just saying. Now, per the Guardian, May 29, 2019, this I am reading directly from this report of Ashton Kutcher's testimony in this trial, the Ashley Ellerin tri trial. Ashton Kutcher told a Los Angeles jury on Wednesday that he was, quote, freaking out after learning that he learning that a young woman he was at the scene. Gotta be fucking kidding me. The way this stuff is reported, I mean, you gotta parse everything. After learning that a young woman who he knew was found dead in Hollywood the day after he called at her home for a date, the former Two and a Half Men star was testifying as a witness at the trial of a man dubbed the Hollywood ripper who is charged with the murder of the young woman. That's Ashley. Say her name in your report, you fuckers. Written by a guy and two others. Kutcher said he arrived at the Hollywood bungalow of fashion design student Ashley Ellerin on 22 February 20, 2001. Excuse me. After speaking to her by phone earlier that evening to arrange a date, same day, you know, the Los Angeles City News Service reported. But when he got there two hours after the call. Now pay attention to these details. They are important. Kutcher said he found the lights on and the door locked, the front door. That should be clear in this article. God, this is shoddy journalism. I continue peering through the window. That would be Ashley's bedroom window, I believe, from my study of this case. He saw, quote, this is quoting Kutcher on the stand. What I thought was red wine spilled on the carpet. I didn't really think anything of it, Kutcher said, adding that he, quote, figured I screwed up by showing up late. And he assumed Ellerin had gone out with a friend. Ellerin, 22, was found dead at her home the next morning by a roommate. She had been stabbed 47 times, prosecutors said, so this poor girl was stabbed 47 times, what's otherwise known as overkill. And Ashton Kutcher gets up there and says he thought she spilled a little red wine. Here's the line on what really happened that night. You know, that's been rumored around Hollywood low these many years. Ashton got there, peeked in the window, saw blood every. There would be blood everywhere. She was stabbed 47 times and she wasn't found till the next morning. I guarantee you she lost all of her blood. He, instead of calling 91 1, calls either his agent or his manager or his publicist or his lawyer and says, hey, what the fuck do I do here? And my guess is he is advised, hey, man, get the fuck out of there. You didn't see anything unless and until the cops come to you. And then you're going to lawyer up and we'll deal with it then. That's what I think next. Brittany Murphy dated Ashton Kutcher in the early 2000s, around the time Ashton met and became fast friends in a racially divisive America that would countenance no such friendship whatsoever with Sean Diddy Combs. And they were partying constantly. December 2009. Brittany Murphy, age 32, dies of pneumonia at home in Los Angeles. In May 2010, her husband, Simon Monjack, dies of the same. We're going to get to like the statistical rates of pneumonia in America in a minute. Okay. Brittany Murphy's father, Angelo Bertoluti, came forward in November 2013 to say that he believed his daughter had been murdered. That based on private investigation, a private autopsy that he commissioned, the results were, he said that his daughter, Brittany Murphy, 32, had been poisoned by high quantities of heavy metals. The Hollywood Reporter picked up an interview that her father gave to Good Morning America in November 2013. And wouldn't you know, that interview seems to have been scrubbed from the Internet. But the nerve kept digging. And this interview, which Bertolati gave to HLN that same month and year, has not been scrubbed. Hi, Ashton. Let's listen. Here is Berta Ludi with family friend Julia Davis. Here we go.

[Guest or Interviewee]

And I feel she was poisoned. There's no question about that. And I feel she was murdered.

[Maureen Callahan]

Julia, was there something specific in those reports that he's talking about that leads you to believe that it was poison and not natural causes?

[Co-host or Producer]

Yes. From the very beginning, AJ Always believed that there was something very odd about Britney's passing. And then reviewing autopsy reports, we could see that there were multiple symptoms that would usually go with poisoning. And then the test results confirmed that where the lab found 10 heavy metals in very high quantities. So we do believe that it was poisoning and we would like to have it properly investigated since the coroner never tested for poisons originally.

[Maureen Callahan]

Well, that's pretty shocking. Angelo, do you suspect. Suspect somebody responsible for poisoning her and who?

[Guest or Interviewee]

No, I don't. I don't suspect anyone. Actually, I do, really, but I rather.

[Co-host or Producer]

Not speak about that. The question is, the fact is that.

[Guest or Interviewee]

She was poisoned and she was murdered.

[Co-host or Producer]

Far as I'm concerned. Welcome back to this. Ashton meets Demi Moore in 2003. It's unclear if there was overlap with Murphy, and I'm not accusing Ashton of anything here, but I am saying that people around Diddy have a tendency to die early, to die young. You know, in the hip hop community, it's been rumored forever that Diddy had something to do with the deaths of Tupac Shakur and Biggie Smalls and the mother of three of his children, which we're going to get to. So Ashton is dating Brittany Murphy and is partying with Diddy all around the same time of 2003. And Brittany Murphy, at 32 years old, drops dead from pneumonia. And then five months later, her husband, who's like 41, drops dead from pneumonia. So Ashton meets Demi Moore in 2003. He's 25 at the time and she is a 41 year old mother of three daughters, one of whom had a big crush on Ashton, had his posters on her wall, per people magazine. In May 2003, the couple, meaning Ashton and Demi, were seen on a double date with Sean P. Diddy Combs. That's what he went by then. And Kim Porter in Miami. Kim Porter, mother of three of Combs's children. A witness told People that Moore and Kutcher shared a, quote, very romantic kiss as they left the restaurant. Do you know who else died at a very young age? Kim Porter. She died suddenly on November 15, 2018 in Toluca Lake, California. This was a sudden death. When this hit the news, people were shocked. The cause of Kim Porter's death, as ruled by the coroner, pneumonia. Now, according to the statistical probability that Sean Combs would know three people close to him or in his immediate circle at young ages who would die of pneumonia, according to the most recent report by the Centers for Disease Control that we could find, dated 2023, 41.2 people die of pneumonia every year in the United states. That is 12.3 per 100,000 people. What are the odds? What are the odds that Sean Combs would have connections to three people who died relatively young of pneumonia? We heard all throughout the Sean combs trial in 2025 how often he threatened to kill people, how many people were. Were terrified that he would kill them. The beatings he subjected Cassie to. He blew up Kid Cudi's car. We all know it, okay? We all know it. Back to Ashton and to me, this is all going to Ashton's character, okay? What a piece of shit this guy is. She gets pregnant a year or two into their relationship. Her timeline remains unclear, but she lost the baby, a girl she says that they had planned to name Chaplain Ray. At six months, by her own account in her memoir, Inside Out, Demi had begun drinking again and she blamed herself. But she also says in her memoir, and I read her memoir when it came out, it's a really, really, really good memoir. She says that Ashton had pressured her to drink. Per People magazine, November 6, 2019. And I quote from this article, Moore said that she and Kutcher took a trip together following the miscarriage and that they allegedly had a conversation. Allegedly. That's People magazine protecting themselves. My opinion. Had a conversation about alcoholism during dinner. Quote from the book. Oh, this is what Moore claims. Ashton said. Said, quote, I don't know if alcoholism's a thing. I think it's about moderation. Moore claimed. Then Moore says of herself, if I had stayed close to working My program. I, of course, lived the majority of my adult life sober. I was great sober. A rep for Kutcher did not immediately respond to People's request for comment. No kidding. Here is an interview Demi did with Ellen DeGeneres during that fall 29 promotional tour for her book Inside Out. Here we go. But you talk about that he was not faithful to you, that he had affairs, and then you talk about that he kind of instigated you having threesomes. And I don't think it should be.

[Maureen Callahan]

Implied that he instigated. I think it was.

[Co-host or Producer]

And again, in trying to keep the.

[Maureen Callahan]

Perspective on my story, he expressed something.

[Co-host or Producer]

That was of a fantasy. And it was in my efforts to want to please and be what I thought he wanted. Right. Yeah. So you just. And even though the infidelity and even though these things that you just. You loved him, you wanted to keep the relationship going and you just tried to keep it going in that way.

[Maureen Callahan]

Yeah, I think that is it.

[Co-host or Producer]

I think, you know, it was. It was a misguided sense of not.

[Maureen Callahan]

Really wanting to look maybe at the harder question or maybe the. What was really missing, or in my.

[Co-host or Producer]

Case, because I really felt like I had created an addiction to him, that I was a. You know, that my codependency in a.

[Maureen Callahan]

Way I'd never had before. I never had that kind of attachment.

[Co-host or Producer]

You know, Ashton Kutcher was a younger guy who was still kind of on the come up, and Demi Moore was Hollywood royalty and far more experienced. And he once. Once the power imbalance shifted, once he sensed that. My opinion. I read Demi's book, and if I recall correctly, because her recollections of this are very vivid in the book, he was pressuring her into threesomes. It was kind of the cost of doing business. You want to stay in this relationship, that's the cost of doing business. He cheated on her a fair amount. And she swallowed it and she took it and she let it go because she was addicted to him, as she said. And that is a coward's way of trying to get out of a relationship that they no longer want to be in. By cheating rampantly, by insisting on threesomes and by treating her like absolute shit. By the way, her. Her equivocating there in the Ellen interview says to me, again, just my opinion, that lawyers were called, his lawyers called her lawyers and said, hey, you got to walk some of this shit back. That's not my client's recollection of what happened. That may be in your memoir, but you better walk some of this back in 2018. Just my opinion. This is a fact. Ashton was caught cheating according to published reports with a 21 year old he met in a bowling alley. You want to talk about humiliating your superstar wife? You cheat with a 21 year old you meet in a bowling alley. Where do you think they're actually having sex? It's like the bathroom or his car. Okay then. Just my opinion then. The night before their wedding anniversary. And if you're not watching, I'll read the headlines. You'll hear Diane Sawyer asking Demi how she found out along with the rest of us that Ashton was cheating on Demi on their anniversary. And Ashton was handling his grief in a very different way.

[Guest or Interviewee]

Ashton Kutcher caught cheating the night before.

[Co-host or Producer]

His and Demi's two girls in a hotel hot tub on anniversary.

[Maureen Callahan]

What did you say to him? I asked if it was true and.

[Co-host or Producer]

He admitted it right away. So she says she found out via Google Alert with the rest of us. And then she called him and she said, is this true? And right away he said yeah. He didn't even try to hide it. He just wanted to humiliate her and then get out. Now on to Danny Masterson, Ashton's co star on that 70s show that was a long running show. They knew each other for a very long time. Masterson was charged in 2020 with raping three women. I believe all of these women were Scientologists. At least two of them were. As was is Masterson. That's salient. We can get into the details later if necessary. He was charged with raping three women in separate incidents at his LA home between 2001 and. And 2003. The first trial in 2002. Sorry, 20, 20. 22. The first trial was in 2022. Sorry, I'm so worked up about this. That one ended in a hung jury, a mistrial. In the second trial, Masterson was found guilty of two counts of forcible rape. He was sentenced to 30 years to life. Now before we get to what Kutcher and his wife Mila Kunis did for Masterson, let's go back and look at these two on the Rosie o' Donnell show. And this is Kunis. They were now together when they were on the Rosie show. This is Kunis divulging the bet that Ashton Kutcher and Danny Masterson made on that set about who would be the first to french kiss her in real life, not in a scripted scene on the show. Who would be the first to French kiss her first? Kunis was 14 years old at the time. And by her own self description here, she was a scared little girl. And Kutcher says he was about 19, so I'm guessing he was 20 or 21. Okay. Because I don't believe a word that comes out of this guy's fucking mouth. Here we go. They knew all along.

[Guest or Interviewee]

So Danny bets me like 20 bucks that I wouldn't do it. And of course I'm like, yeah, sure, what's the deal?

[Co-host or Producer]

And then the cop showed up and he got arrested pretty much.

[Guest or Interviewee]

They should have, but they didn't. This interview is from an April 2002 episode of the Rosie O' Donnell show.

[Co-host or Producer]

Where Ashton and Mila discussed their first.

[Guest or Interviewee]

Kiss on the set of that 70s show. What's unsettling is the realization that by this time, Danny Masterson had already been accused of rape. The public just didn't know about it yet. You know what's funny is when she was. She was 14 when we started the show. I was like 19.

[Maureen Callahan]

Right, right.

[Guest or Interviewee]

And they're like, okay, you guys are going to be making out in this scene. And I'm like thinking like, we like slightly illegal, right?

[Co-host or Producer]

Your first kiss ever, right? It was my first kiss. Why? Someone bet you made with Danny about our first kiss?

[Guest or Interviewee]

No, it wasn't the first kiss. It was like a second or third kiss.

[Co-host or Producer]

It was the first. Look, like the first week.

[Guest or Interviewee]

No, it was not the first week.

[Co-host or Producer]

Whatever. Let me tell you what happened.

[Guest or Interviewee]

No, let me tell you what.

[Co-host or Producer]

No.

[Maureen Callahan]

Okay.

[Co-host or Producer]

I've never kissed a guy. I was. I was so. And then, you know, Ash was attractive and I was a 14 year old little girl and I was extremely scared for my life.

[Maureen Callahan]

Sure. And he was very nice about it.

[Co-host or Producer]

He was like, oh, don't worry. So I was like, okay. Then Danny goes and goes, dude, I'll give you $10 if you French kiss her. What? Would you stick your tongue in my mouth or some. What?

[Guest or Interviewee]

No, no, no, no, no. You're making it sound like it was like, really okay, Dan. We had a little side bet going. Yeah.

[Maureen Callahan]

Which was.

[Guest or Interviewee]

It wasn't very, you know, like, you know, you're kissing on the show or boyfriend and girlfriend. You would use tongue, right, Rosie? I mean, you would. It depends what kind of an actor.

[Maureen Callahan]

You are, I guess.

[Co-host or Producer]

Absolutely. Yeah.

[Guest or Interviewee]

So Danny bets me like 20 bucks that I wouldn't do it. And of course I'm like, yeah, sure, what's the deal? Yeah.

[Co-host or Producer]

And then the cops showed up and he got arrested.

[Guest or Interviewee]

And pretty much they should have, but they didn't.

[Co-host or Producer]

And. Okay, okay, that's Enough, that's enough, that's enough. Rosie says. And then the cop showed up and Ashton says they should have. As Mila is telling her version of the story, he's going, you're making it sound like it was something really bad. Well, she said she was a scared little girl. She was 14. She was a child. That, by the way, is from a TikTok account called did you catch this video? Now here is part of the I will never forget reading the victim impact statements once Masterson was convicted. Here is part of the four day court testimony from a survivor named Jen B. I can say this because Masterson was convicted in her case as reported by the LA Times on October 24, 2022. And yes, all of these women were Scientologists, which goes to the point that they were pressured by Scientology to keep their mouths shut because Danny Masterson was a star not just in Scientology but in Hollywood, and you don't go up against those guys. This is per her testimony. In April 2003, she returned to Masterson's home where he was having a party. He offered her a red drink, she testified. Less than an hour later, Masterson approached and told her she was going in the jacuzzi. Jen B. Told the court, though she said she did not want to go in, Masterson would not take no for an answer and threw her in. She said once in the water, she began to feel sick. I had never been so nauseous in my life, she said. I heard a voice saying, I'm going to take her to throw up, stick my fingers down her throat. She needs to throw up. He Masterson took her to his bathroom and made her vomit and take a shower, Gen B testified. After the shower, Masterson moved genb to the bed where she passed out. She said, when I first woke up on that bed, he was on top of me and his penis was inside me. She testified she tried to grab Masterson's face or hair to stop him, but he removed her hand and continued, she testified, quote, jen, I grabbed the pillow behind my neck, pushed it into his face right here. It was so close. He shoved it back in my face, harder, completely, with all of his body weight on me, she said, smothering, smothered. I could not breathe. I don't recall him saying anything. I went unconscious. When she came to, he was still penetrating her. Genbi testified. I grabbed his throat. Oh God, so scary, she said, crying. I pulled my hand off and pulled it out, held it, grabbed the other hand, held it together and just his face. I've Never seen it look like that. When Jen B regained consciousness that night, she heard banging at Masterson's door. She testified the actor pulled a firearm from a drawer. She said he pulled from the nightstand area, pulled it up and held it in his hands, she said. In his hand rather. She said, he told me to shut the fuck up. Then Jen B Passed out again. Now let's read from Ashton Kutcher's letter of support for Masterson, the full text of which I pulled from Deadline. And Kutcher's letter is dated July 27, 2023. So that would be nine months after Gen B's testimony. And here it is. Here it is. And I'm going to read the salient parts. The whole thing is disgusting. And by the way, his wife wrote a letter to Mila Kunis. Wrote a letter of support too. I'm just going to keep that in my back pocket, okay? Right now, Kutcher's in the nerves. Fucking crosshairs. Honorable Judge. I'm sorry, Alm. I think I have that name right. You're not going to believe the opening of this letter because you know what? At first we got to get dispensed with Ashton's bona fides. He's really important. My name is Ashton Kutcher. I am an actor, investor, philanthropist, and most importantly, a father. God help your kids, you fucker. I met Danny Masterson when I was 20 years old in 1998. He instantly became a friend, dedicated coworker and role model to me and has remained as such for 25 years. As a friend, Danny has been nothing but a positive influence on me. He is an extraordinarily honest and intentional human being. Over 25 year relationship. This is a typo on his part. I don't ever recall. This is how. You know, maybe Ashton really wrote it himself. He didn't have a proofreader on this. I don't ever recall him lying to me. Oh, okay, Ashton, he didn't lie to you ever. I mean, he violently, brutally raped at least one girl at fucking gunpoint. Okay, if you say so. As a role model, Ashton continues in this letter. Danny has consistently been an excellent one. I'll bet. I'll bet. He goes on to say he also set an extraordinary standard around how you treat other people. There was an incident where we were at a pizza parlor and a belligerent man entered who was berating his girlfriend. We had never met or seen these people before, but Danny was the first person to jump to the defense of this girl. It was an incident he didn't have to get involved in, but proactively chose to because the way this man was behaving was not right. He has always treated people with decency, equality, and generosity. After 9 11, oh, God, here we go. If you got to bring 9 11, you're in real trouble. You got to bring 911 into this. Leave 911 out of it. Ashton Kutcher. Danny was a huge advocate for support of the firefighters affected by the event. Affected spelled E F, F, E C, T, E D. It's a F, F, you fucking asshole. You fucking moron. Ashton Kutcher loves to swan around Hollywood in Silicon Valley in the set of Shark tank like he's a fucking genius. He doesn't even know how to spell the difference between affect and effect, okay? Rallying his friends and coworkers to pitch in however they could. We have spent countless hours together with our kids, and he is among few people that I would trust to be alone with my son and daughter. In September 2023, Kutcher was forced to resign as board chair of Thorne, an anti child sex abuse organization. Again, when I tell you these people hide in plain sight. I'm not saying Ashton Kutcher has abused children, but I'm saying Ashton Kutcher at best willfully turns a blind eye to the abuse of women and girls and his choice of dear friends in the cases of Sean Combs and Danny Masterson leaves a lot to be fucking desired. Okay? Here's a video, a fucking crisis management video, in my opinion, that he and Mila Kunis were forced to post, in my opinion. Post me too. And I think it's forced because look at their faces in this video here. If you're just listening to the nerve at night, go to this part of the YouTube channel, okay? Because these two look like they are disgusted that they have to say the things they have to say. They. They look like utterly defiant and they should be leading with the victims, with the girls and the women. And they are not. Okay? This report is from ABC 7 Chicago. Here we go.

[Guest or Interviewee]

We are aware of the pain that has been caused by the character letters that we wrote on behalf of Danny Masterson this morning.

[Maureen Callahan]

Fallout growing from the apology. Some are just not accepting. Hollywood superstars Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis.

[Co-host or Producer]

Apologizing in a video message posted on.

[Maureen Callahan]

Instagram after writing character letters for their friend Danny Masterson, who was sentenced to 30 years to life in prison after.

[Co-host or Producer]

Being convicted of raping two women in the early convicted rapist, not their friend.

[Guest or Interviewee]

Family reached out to us. And they asked us to write character letters to represent the person that we knew.

[Co-host or Producer]

Which voice did he have so that.

[Guest or Interviewee]

The judge could take that into full consideration relative to the sentence.

[Co-host or Producer]

The letters were not written to question the legitimacy of the judicial system or the validity, validity of the jury's ruling. Notice what's not said there in the very beginning of that clip. Or to question the validity of the survivors. He's a convicted rapist. He fucking did it in the eyes of the law. But, you know, they didn't, they weren't trying to like, question the validity of the court. Just let them back in. Just let them back in. Ashton Kutcher wants to come back. We, you know what? That's up to us, you guys. That's up to us. And we have the nerve. Say fuck no. Never. That's it. That's it for the Nerve at night. We will be back here on Friday with a new full Nerve and then on Saturday for the Mini. If you haven't already, check out our substack [e-mail] and be sure to subscribe. That's our weekly email. Go to thenerveshow.com you'll see a prompt. Put your email address in and every Friday it just arrives in your mailbox like that. As soon as the Fall Nerve is over, around 3pm Eastern. Plus, we've got nerve merch. Grab something for yourself or pick something up for a fellow troublemaker@shop thenerve.com Also, the nerve is now available on Megan's podcast playlist every Monday, Wednesday and Friday at 9am Eastern on SiriusXM channel 111, the Megan Kelly Channel. We'll see you back here Friday at the Nerve, where you will never guess what we're about to say next. Try angel stuff for your tushy.

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