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The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
Inside Blake Lively, Ryan Reynolds, and Taylor Swift's SCANDALOUS Texts, and Hoda Kotb Gets MOCKED by NBC Staff
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Maureen Callahan obliterates Blake Lively, her alleged arsonist-husband Ryan Reynolds, and former bestie Taylor Swift for their underhanded and conniving messages that were released through court documents in the Justin Baldoni lawsuit. Maureen rips into Ryan Reynolds for sucking up to "It Ends With Us" book author Colleen Hoover, Taylor Swift for her name calling and mean girl tactics, and Blake Lively for campaigning to her A-list friends for help with ganging up on Justin Baldoni's version of the film, without ever mentioning anything about his alleged inappropriate behavior toward her in these exchanges. Then Maureen lays into Hoda Kotb for her latest self-reinvention in the form of a podcast, including her relentless pestering of former colleagues and over-asking for professional favors. Miracle Made: Upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made! Go to [https://trymiracle.com/NERVE](https://trymiracle.com/NERVE) and use the code NERVE to claim your FREE 3 PIECE TOWEL SET and SAVE ov...
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ABC's David Muir, the most trusted anchor in America. The most watched anchor in America. Thank you for making World News Tonight with David Muir the number one newscast in America. Most trusted, most watched David Muir on ABC with plan B, Emergency contraception. We're in control of our future. It's backup birth control you take after unprotected sex that helps prevent pregnancy before it starts. It works by temporarily delaying ovulation and it won't impact your future fertility. Plan B is available in all 50 US states at all major retailers near you with no ID, prescription or age requirement needed. Together, we got this. Follow Plan B on insta at Plan B. One step to learn more. Use as directed. Hello and welcome to the Nerve at Night. I am your host, Maureen Callahan and we are getting into it. We are getting way, way, way into the Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds scandal. There was a big, big document dump last week and you know that I love nothing more than legal documents because they are often juicy reading. We've got emails, we've got texts. Among Blake and Ryan, two major A list stars that they have dragged into this mess, including but probably not limited to Ben Affleck, Matt Damon and his wife Lucy, Jennifer Lopez, Bradley Cooper, and of course Taylor Swift, whose reputation has taken one extremely big ding. And this is also amazing because you're really going to see what goes on behind the scenes and the way these people talk to each other and it's, it's. I. It's enough to make you vaguely nauseated. Okay, then we are going to read some of your incredible as always feedback. We've got some art, we've got some gifts to show. And after that, we're all going to go for a ride. We're all going to go for a communal ride with a recidivist who refuses to take. I mean, this isn't even a hint anymore. This is an anvil. This is an anvil. This is that her former colleague is literally holding over her head and she's like, dare me to drop it. Dare me to drop it. I'm going to concuss you or take you out if you don't leave me the F alone. Okay, troublemakers, are you ready? Are you ready? Let's go. Troublemakers. Do you ever wake up sweaty or cold or just plain uncomfortable? All of us know what that's like. But fixing bad sleep is often so difficult. And that's why it might be time for a major bedding upgrade. Miracle made sheets are cutting edge. Inspired by NASA technology with silver infused fabric that regulates your Body temperature. Are you a hot sleeper, a cold sleeper, it doesn't matter. These sheets will keep you in your perfect comfort zone all night long. Plus that same Silvertec ensures your sheets stay stay cleaner up to three times longer than regular ones. Preventing up to 99.7% of bacteria growth. That's right. Fewer odors, fewer washes, way less laundry. 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I mean this is like if you're in entertainment media, this would be the equivalent of like not the Timothy Shyamalama Ding dong would get this reference because he only gets references that have to do with how long he's been alive. But like when the Pentagon Papers were released, when like Watergate blew up, when you know, the Epstein files are released or the JFK files, like and what newsrooms do is like they divide all of that stuff up and they start reading through it deeply because you really gotta get, you gotta find the meat. That is what happened last week with this Blake Lively Ryan Reynolds drop. Okay? It went wild and we're still sorting through it. But I can assure you it's only gonna have one outcome and I'll tell you why as we go through it. Okay? Now this is amazing because we really are getting a real, real good look at how these people talk to each other, how they star f each other, how they ask for help or beg for help as the case may be. Psycho arsonist Ryan Reynolds is all over this shit and you're gonna die when you read or I read to you his emails. Okay, now first we're going to begin some of these. I have to read off of my Laptop, because the way they're reproduced online, like you can't really print them out. So I've got analog and I've got digital. Okay. First I'm going to read an extract of Ryan Reynolds begging Matt Damon and his wife Lucy for help with resting control of. It ends with us from the writer, director, star Justin Baldoni, who presumably when Blake Lively signed onto this film, she knew that that was the deal, right? This guy is in charge. Well, Blake Lively somehow rested a version of it where she could do a cut, she could do her cut of the movie, and Justin could do his cut of the movie. And best one wins. I mean, tell me a time this has happened before. I'd love to know from film historians among you. And I feel like I have a pretty good working knowledge of cinema. Okay, now, psycho arsonist Ryan Reynolds, who never forget burned down his elementary school in Canada and got away with it. Hey, Matt and Lucy, if the offer is still open to watch, we would love to get your well earned pov. See there every everything is qualified to fluff the egos to star fuck your. Well, I think we all know Matt Damon knows how to make a movie. This movie has been one of the all time zingers on and off set. And this is like a recurring thing that Ryan and Blake say to their famous friends who they're trying to get on board so that Blake's version wins. This is a common refrain. One day we'll make a movie about the movie. We can't wait to tell you all about it. Their stories are already finding their place in the pantheon of legendary Hollywood insanity. What is this? Apocalypse Now? That's some legendary Hollywood insanity. Oh, my God. Let's play pickleball. Okay, now we continue. Sorry, I'm gonna move on to the next screen. Excerpt of Blake Lively's message to Matt and Lucy Damon following her husband, psycho arsonist Ryan's very friendly, not at all desperate message. Blake here adding more zeros to the pressure. Thank you for even considering it. And it's not a bad movie, so who knows, you may enjoy some of it. Be warned, it covers domestic violence. Just want to be sure. You know, this movie nearly killed me. You know what? Apocalypse now literally almost killed Martin Sheen, okay? He was taken away. I think he was helicoptered off. That said, he had a cocaine induced heart attack. That opening scene where he's in the hotel room by himself and he's breaking up the mirror and he's cutting himself up, almost killed Francis Ford Coppola. This is not Apocalypse Now. Blake To Matt and Lucy Damon. This movie nearly killed me. The director, co star, producer, financier, head of the studio. Yes. All one person had zero experience. Hey, it's his movie, sister. You signed up for it. What are you talking about? But the good news is, this is mean girl, Blake. Mean, mean, mean girl. And by the way, she's got some nerve asking Matt Damon for help because we're going to get to her connection to Ben, and it's not pretty. Ben, who did not reply. It seems the good news is this. She's talking about Justin Baldoni. He also has no taste and an enormous ego. Would you rather be married to a guy with no taste and an enormous ego than a psycho arsonist? I think we all know the answer to that. Okay. But only because he's in a culture. I told him on day one, after so much had already gone down. I don't need anything from you. What I didn't anticipate was having to do everything in this movie. I rewrote the entire script, I directed every actor. The dp that's director of photography was coming to me, coming to me when he couldn't get anything from him. So way too often then after all of this, Justin wouldn't bring me into the edit. Well, it's his fucking movie, sister. Okay? Now, moving on, Ryan. I'm gonna hold off on Ryan's email to Colleen Hoover because what's also. She's the author of the novel. It ends with us. Terrible writer. You know, whatever. They're airport novels. You know what I mean? Now, Blake Lively, also, as part of this document dump, said in text, the recipient of these texts is redacted. So we don't know who Blake is writing to. But listen to this. Listen to this, because this is how this is. This goes beyond kind of I'm rallying my A list colleagues who I would love to be friends with. It doesn't really sound like they're friends because they're not mentioning anything really personal in each other's lives. Like, Blake isn't asking. And psycho arsonist Ryan isn't asking. Like, hey, how are your kids? Like, did. How'd your daughter's, like, game go the other day? Or how did her school play go? Or, like, I've been thinking about you. I'd love to see you. Like, there's no reference to anything remotely personal, which tells you a lot, I think. Now, Blake Lively said in texts to this unknown recipient that Matt Damon at some point contacted Tony Sony, excuse me, CEO. That's the studio who produced this movie, Sony CEO Tim Rothman to push for her edit of It Ends With Us over Justin Baldoni's edit. Okay, so this is real, real Backroom Dark bullshit. Bradley came to a screening. I think that that is Bradley Cooper. He watched it twice. He has been an absolute fucking hero. Storming the beach at Normandy. Absolute fucking hero. Bradley Cooper watched your shitty movie twice. You know these people in their self regard. It's out of control. He has made me feel so good about the cut. You know, I guess when you know people who aren't, you know, psycho arsonists, every. Every little bit helps, right? Matt and Lucy Damon saw it to give notes and instead just wrote. So instead of giving Blake notes, instead just wrote Tom Rothman to try to push my edit through without a bake off with Justin. She keeps calling it a bake off. This was his movie, Justin. Justin Baldoni bought the rights not only to It Ends with Us, but I believe to the sequel and the prequel. And I think this whole thing is cooked up so that Blake and Ryan could get control of all three properties going forward. Right? And you know what's remarkably absent from any of these communiques? Any of them. You know what I'm not hearing? Hey, Matt. Hey, Ben. Just about Dodie sexually harassed me on this movie to the point where I couldn't go to work. It's absent from here. Isn't that the basis? Isn't that the spine of this entire effing lawsuit? You better believe if I'm asking friends of mine who are well placed to help me, first of all, it's going to be a favor worth asking for because you can only go to that well once. Okay? Secondly, if it's something as, as grave, as severe as being abused in my workplace, as being sexually harassed by a guy in a position of power, I'm going to lead with that, okay? That's going to be my effing headline. It's not here. I don't see it anywhere. I don't see it fucking anywhere. We'll get to the. We'll get to Taylor and Ben in a minute, okay? Because Gold, Gold Fort Knox level. This email that Ryan Reynolds wrote to Colleen Hoover is so greasy and sleazy and disgusting. In. In. It's just in the way in which he is sucking up to this woman. I mean, is I. If I were on the receiving end of an email like this, this would not be someone I would ever, ever want to know. Ever. I would probably send it to a third party to, to. To just help me craft Like a response that's basically like, nice to hear from you. We don't need to correspond in this manner anymore. Colleen. This is after the movie screened. Or, or, or they have a final version. I can't tell if they went to the premiere where they shoved Justin Baldoni and his friends and family in the basement. They shoved them in the basement and made them watch the movie down there while all the glittering A listers, Ryan, Ryan and Blake and all their glittering fucking water carriers actually partied in a manner befitting a movie premiere. Okay, so I'm reading Ryan's email I'm sending you literally, which has asterisks before and after. Literally, which is just. It's. It's. It's code for ital. Just italic. Oh, God, he's so precious. I find Ryan Reynolds beyond creepy. I think there's a lot of skeletons in this guy's closet, if you know what I'm saying. Every form of congratulations under the sky while jumping up and down and rapidly happy clapping. At one point, I was three feet from you at the after party. Oh, so this is after the premiere. But I wasn't able to extricate myself from the Sony Studios chairman's mouth. So Ryan is saying, you're the one I really wanted to talk to, not the chairman of the Sony Studio. Who, Who? My wife and I, Ryan. With Blake. I'm talking as Ryan have been bombarding with emails and texts from the like of likes of Matt Damon to try to get control of this piece of shit movie. I tried watching it. It's unwatchable. Continuing Ryan's email to Colleen. Holy. You guys really pulled it off. Like Colleen. This thing is on fire everywhere. And audiences have wrapped both arms around the film. You and B, that would be Blake, made something gorgeous out of ingredients you didn't ask for. Which is what makes you both and this whole post production team so clutch. So clutch. Stop trying to make fetch happen, Ryan. I heard you guys got a tummy bug and you're stuck in New York. I thought this premiere was in New York. Why wasn't it in New York? I can't think of anything worse. I can think of something worse, Ryan. I can think like burning down your elementary school and hoping that some other poor SAP got the blame for it and probably did some time would be a lot worse than a tummy bug. A tummy bug? What is he ate? Although it might be your body ridding itself of any residual Baldoni. These people are juveniles. Juveniles. Okay, I'd rather be puking in a gulag than hijacking performative feminism while practicing personal growth catchphrases in the mirror. Again, slagging off Justin Baldoni, who you know, by the way, all the documents released thus far, Justin is talking to his own close inner circle. And all of the communications between and among these people are like, I'm trying to hold my head high. I'm trying to just get through this without like going down to their level. I'm just trying to get like, no talk of revenge, no talk of them trying to smear my reputation, kill my career. None of it. We go back to Ryan's very florid email. I hope you're taking a moment to enjoy this. Like she needs your dispensation to enjoy this. I'm sure this woman is probably just like, I'd like to be rid of all of you. I know the road isn't always easy or clear when you're a creator, an Apex storyteller like you. Oh my God, Ryan Reynolds, an Apex storyteller. I can imagine it takes a very resolute mind and heart to process all the strange people like Ryan and Blake. My side with muddled intentions, trying to warm their hands on your light. I mean, think of the energy required to come up with these myriad ways of star fucking people. Trying to just get them to like do what you want. What's happening this weekend with iewu, that's an acronym for it ends with Us, is a victory lap and a testament to fortitude. You and Blake opened the movie adaptation higher than most films with budgets five to six times larger. What a complete win this is. I know we all breathe rare air. I realize how lucky we are. But I also know how genuinely good you and Bear and then just ends with a period. I don't understand Ryan and seeing good people put shitty people over their knee. Oh, here. The sadist in Ryan who's always trying to squelch down, he's coming right out and seeing good people put shitty people over their knee for a good old fashioned pants down spanking in the supermarket. Who comes up with this tableau? He's a fucking psycho. Is a special experience I don't take for granted. I could literally write you 85 more paragraphs eulogizing what this all means to me. Please do not. I'm just incredibly proud and inspired by you. And be lots of love. Okay, now if there was a response to that email, we have yet to see it. On to Taylor. Taylor who again, her team, her publicist is a woman named Tree Payne and this woman's job is to squelch any, any little baby fire that might threatened to my. Threaten. Excuse me, it's this cold. I'm still fighting. Excuse my throat. Any fire that might threaten to catch and, and destroy Taylor's well crafted reputation as a good girl, as an, as a girl's girl, as a nice girl, and by the way, as someone who stands up for, you know, the right thing. I mean, isn't that Taylor's whole thing? Her whole brand is friendship. Her whole brand is friendship bracelets and being good to the people who you lot like. And, and we're going to get to it with our recidivist later in the show. Okay? So Taylor was much more involved. Much more involved. So this broke last week. These are text messages between Taylor and Blake Lively. Now this is shortly before, like days before the New York Times ran what in retrospect really feels like a stenographer's report. Like they went over to Blake's house and Blake like gave them her little burned book and her bitchy self report and the Times ran with it. So it's a few days before. And Taylor says to Blake, I think, I think Baldoni got a hot tip that something's coming because she says in this text message to Blake, I think this bitch, that would be Justin Baldoni. I think this bitch knows something is coming because he's gotten out his tiny violin. Now with included in this text, Taylor. And if you think again, you think these people aren't consuming all the stuff we consume, they do this she linked to a People magazine story. It was a profile. It was a pickup from an interview Justin gave to like a podcast. So this story was published by People December 4, 2024, and the headline, justin Baldoni reveals he was sexually traumatized by an ex girlfriend when he was, quote, hoping to save myself for marriage. Now again, Taylor, Blake, psycho arsonist. Ryan, I thought we were all on the side of like protecting victims and empowering victims and never doubting the self report of someone who says they survived a sexual trauma. What do I know? What do I know? Now in this piece that Taylor sent to Blake, Baldoni was quoted as saying that after he, quote, experienced sexual trauma in that relationship, he then, quote, wrestled with that trauma for the rest of my life. Because in my head, a man can't experience sexual trauma at the hands of a woman. The star who had previously been open about his Baha' I faith. And that's the faith that he and his intimates were corresponding about, trying to take the high road with all this, with Taylor and Blake and their little handmaidens, said he was, quote, hoping to save myself for marriage. And that's as detailed as I'll get into the story. One day, my therapist asked me a very simple question. She said, justin, you do a lot of work in this space. If a woman told you that story, what would you call it? And that's when I broke, he said, adding that his healing began at that point. Now, also according to these, this document dump, contrary to what Tree Payne and Taylor's massive PR army would have us believe, which the report back when this stuff broke was like, Taylor just wound up there randomly. She was like, she didn't know what was going on. She had nothing to do with Blake and Ryan bullying Justin Baldoni up in their Tribeca penthouse. Not so. According to these docs, Taylor was anything but an innocent bystander who was set up by Blake during this New York City penthouse. Beat down. Metaphorical, in fact. In fact, Taylor seemed to be very involved in Blake's strategy, texting Blake if Justin was strategic. So this is after Blake said, hey, man, you know what? One of my best friends, my dragon, happens to just be Taylor Swift, the biggest pop star on the planet this side of Beyonce was, would you like a Taylor Swift song for the trailer? Because that would give us a ton of buzz. That would be great. It's basically Taylor's endorsement. And Justin said, yes. And we know from a lot of these docs that Justin was also just trying to appease the fuck out of Blake Lively, because this was a war of attrition, and he just needed to get through this so he could get another job in Hollywood. Okay, But Taylor and texts Blake about their strategy, their little art of war. And this is what Taylor says. If Justin was strategic, he would be like, no Taylor Swift in the trailer. No Taylor Swift. Because that gives you more power over the film. She's talking to Blake. That gives you Blake more power over the film. That's your ally, meaning Taylor, not his. Taylor also wrote to Blake, this is so disgusting. And I hate that he's clear clever about this. Per the Hollywood Reporter, in a comprehensive piece written by Lexi Perez published on January 21, 2026. So that's last week. In messages a year prior, Lively referred to Baldoni as the, quote, doofus director of my movie in a message to Swift, adding that he is a, quote, clown who, quote, thinks he's a writer. Now, again, I believe when Blake signed this contract, Baldoni was signed up as the writer, director, and co star. Of the film. But, you know, Blake Lively's Toni Morrison, Blake Lively's William Goldman. In another message, Lively asked Swift, who was allegedly. This is that same meeting already on her way to visit while Baldoni was present in Lively's home, to endorse a revised version of the script that Blake was proposing, but that Taylor didn't need to read it if she couldn't. In Lively's deposition, she said, quote, I sent Taylor the script on her way to my apartment because Justin was still there, and I asked her to read them. That looks like a. An ungrammatical thing. I told her. Blake told Taylor she didn't have to. Well, how could she read the whole script on her way over? Even if she's in the back of an suv, she doesn't have time to read your whole piece of shit script. Blake, Blake Lively, most famous for Gossip Girl, Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants, Akira Kurosawa over here. I didn't want her to feel pressured to do that, but I hoped that she would. Swift allegedly replied in a text message, I'll do anything for you. Exclamation point, exclamation point. If these two haven't seen the 1989 cult classic Heathers, they really should. This is such mean girl bitchery. It's a. You know, Taylor Swift is, what, 35, 36? She's closing in on 40. She's about to get married. I do anything for you. Exclamation point, exclamation point. In a later message. This is also embarrassing. And it's such. Because none of this happened. You know it. I know it. Okay, In a later message, Lively allegedly wrote to the singer that she was, quote, so epically heroic today and that she, quote, recapped every moment to Reynolds. Okay, Imagine these two in the spacious kitchen of their Tribeca loft. They've got four kids who. You know, when Ryan Reynolds isn't busy making one of his children say something about, like, and balls in a movie that he's directed, and she says, like, dad, I really don't want to say this stuff. And he's like, well, you're going to say it, and we're going to make you do, like, 50 to 500 takes again. Ryan Reynolds is David Fincher. You know, you. I. I don't think these two have time to be, like, replaying, like, for Blake to be reenacting her. Her. What she. And what she and Taylor Swift did to Justin Baldoni in the kitchen. And that Ryan Reynolds, like a little girl, is just sitting there going, oh, do it Again for me. Oh, please, tell me again. I can't believe it. And by the way, I thought Ryan was there at this meeting. So how many meetings were there in this Tribeca loft? Okay, so Blake is recapping every moment to psycho arsonist Ryan. I kept remembering stuff Blake writes. You making shit up about me and lenses. Okay, so Blake is admitting that Taylor was lying to Justin, that Blake was fluent in what lenses a director would use to shoot any given scene. Okay, that is dastardly to me. That is nefarious. This would be, you know, like, if I were writing a book and I hired someone to help me do research, and they stole my manuscript and went to my publisher and said, this is my book now. I know how to write this book better than Maureen does. She may have signed the deal with you, and you may have paid her, but you know what? It's my shit now. This is my book now. This is, like, horrific. This is horrific. Blake continues to Taylor and referring to yourself as my doll. I think there's some psychosexual stuff going on with Blake and Taylor. I always have. If you look at those photos of them, there's one where they're, like, in a nightclub, and they're put, like, Taylor's posed up against Blake, and Blake's got, like, her hand on Taylor's thigh. And their. Their. Their makeup is the same. They're always, like, dry humping at, like, any given Travis, like, football game, always holding hands with each other on the way to dinner. What grown woman holds hands with her best friend? I mean, Oprah and Gail may have some. They may be able to elucidate this for us, but it's all very strange. And I do think, just my opinion, there is a psychosexual dynamic at work here. Blake continues to Taylor about Justin Baldoni, this clown, falling for all of it, but also resisting it. You are the world's greatest friend ever. Taylor then begins slow ghosting Blake. And, you know, we can get into that later because it's a lot. It's a lot. But. But Taylor Swift is more of a corporation than a human being at this point. I'm sorry. She is. And Blake Lively became a huge liability. And so Blake had to go. Blake had to go. And as we discussed with Rob Shooter on Tuesday's nerve. Yesterday's nerve. Taylor then changed her phone number. She changed her cell number. So there's no way Blake can get back in touch with Taylor. I wonder if she, like, changed her email address, too. I don't know. I wonder. But we're going to scoot ahead to my favorite artifact. And again, when the Nerve eventually is given its wing in the Smithsonian, we are going to have a framed copy of this email which is multi layered and it's so good. It's from Blake Lively to Ben Affleck. Now, Blake is trying very hard to be cool girl in all of these communiques, Funny girl. The effort leaps off the page. It's completely exhausting. Just. Just as with Ryan's email to Colleen, it is. There is nothing casual about it. There's nothing conversant about it. There is nothing personal or personable about it. And it strikes me as very interesting as well, because it was heavily rumored and reported that when Ben Affleck, who wrote or co wrote, directed and starred in the Town and Blake Lively was playing the mother of his child who he was trying to get away from, that they had an affair on the set of the Town. And that it was so. That it was so alarming to Jennifer Garner that at one point she dropped everything in LA and flew to Boston to put a stop to it. As much as one can. You know, people want to cheat, they're going to cheat anyway. So this email. She's got a lot of nerve, okay? A lot of fucking nerve. Nerve Awards 2026. I mean, we've already got stacked categories. I'm going to read this to you guys and you're going to fucking die. It's from B. So. So her. Her emails come in just B, period. Email redacted. Date sent. Oh my God, the time code is amazing, you guys. She sent it May 17, 2024. Timestamp 12:42am so almost one in the morning to Ben. A email address redacted and noted here by the lawyers as non responsive. So Ben was smart enough not to reply, at least to the email from Blake. Subject is from Blake with like a hand emoji. Like, hi. Like, everything is affected. Every single thing is. And I mean, apparently a ff. Okay, Ben comma, it's Blake, period. Don't hang up. I think Ben cut her off after whatever went on between them. I hope life is treating you beautifully. Ryan was going on and on about you recently amongst all that chaos. It's redacted here. I'm sure it said, okay, here we go. Here we go. Brace yourself for star. And trust me when I tell you, nobody star bigger, harder, better than celebrities on other celebrities. As we always say at the Nerve, celebrity on celebrity. Violence is very rare publicly, but behind the scenes, the star fucking. Oh my God. Okay, Ryan Blake goes on to say was blown away by you, though he was equally effusive about your Duncan commercial. So know that you have a Canadian fan club in my house and a Burbank one too. I guess that means I think Blake was raised in Burbank. I'm writing with a zero pressure ask, which means I'm desperate for you to say yes. Because really, if again you're writing to a friend or a colleague that you have a decent relationship with, you're just honest. You say, listen, I'm sure you have a lot on your plate, but I'm really hoping you might be able to help me out here. You know I'm in a bind. I'm up against it. I would never ask you otherwise. If you can't, I totally understand, but I'm just going to be transparent. Zero pressure ask followed by Like5Graphs. I've just come out of the other side. Well, almost of the most upsetting experience I've ever had on a movie. You mean a simple favor? Wasn't this taxing? The making of the doc of this film would be more interesting than the movie could ever be. And now we're going to show our bona fides about we watch well reviewed serious documentaries. It's like if Wild Wild country. That documentary sucked. It was a Duplass Brothers joint. The Duplass Brothers again. Explain them to me. Fyre Festival and going clear how to baby with the room. Anyway, I ended up having to direct the movie via the chaotic clown quote director, actor, producer, financier, studio head at the center. And then we get into rehashing Ryan's text to Matt Damon. It's a cult. He's a loser, blah blah blah. We've been editing since I kid you not July and they gave me 10 days to do my own pass. You know why? They were just trying to assuage you and ameliorate you. The studio wasn't interested in your cut. There's a reason they only gave you 10 days. They were setting you up to fail sister. Read the fucking room. I have a friends and family preview in New York on Saturday. In the meantime, so I can get one round of notes or feedback before. Before we duke it out. Meaning duke it out with Justin the higher director again. She's. This is. This is thievery. She's stealing. She's not just stealing something. She's trying to kill this guy's career. And she's trying to enlist the likes of Ben Affleck and Matt Damon, Bradley Cooper, Taylor Swift, to do it. This is dastardly, dastardly shit and I hope she never ever fucking recovers from it. I hope the best work she can get is shilling her line of hair care products that she thought was a great idea to shill while she's promoting a movie about domestic violence. Because you know what really matters? That your hair looks great when your husband's beating the fucking shit out of you. I guess Tina Turner was her fucking inspiration. Are you fucking kidding me? Back to Blake emailing Ben if you have 1 hour and 58 minutes of free time. See what I mean about how hard she's trying? At any time in the next few days, would you be willing to watch the movie and give me any ideas or notes? I will pics it to you. You can literally text me a voice memo so you don't have to formally write thoughts. I wonder if Blake saw what was going to be the end result of all of this bullshit. You don't have to put anything in writing. That's what she's saying. If your wife or kids are around. He's married to Jennifer Lopez at the time. I'd love their opinion. Also, I'm such a fan of Jennifer's, I've told her as much every time I've met her and it would be an honor to have her take. As discussed with Rob Shooter, Jennifer Lopez's last 20 films have been bombs at the box office. One of the things that broke up Ben and Jen version one was Geely. That thing was such a fucking turkey. I mean, Ben Affleck's lucky he had a career after that. But yeah, I want Jennifer Lopez's opinion again. Zero pressure. Which means please, please, please, please do it. I just really want this to work after all I've put into it. This movie nearly killed me. You said that already. And I can think of very few people who would be as prescriptive and insightful as I know you would be. I think Blake uses a digital thesaurus. I do. I just don't think she's that bright. Ryan asked Matt to watch also, so I think he's watching this weekend. I'm sorry. Matt Damon and Ben Affleck have been best friends since they were like 14, 8 years old, I don't fucking know. But childhood. So I think the minute that Matt Damon got that message from Ryan, followed by a please, please, please from Blake, Matt went over to Ben and said, hey, man, heads up, these two are coming your way. But Blake, she's so unstrategic. She's like oh, by the way, your BFF is watching the movie, so I'm not trying to put pressure on you, but you should do it. Good men showing up, Blake continues. I'm beyond grateful for that. Also, can you believe Jason Bourne is watching my movie again? The star fucking. I'll get you an autograph one day. Meaning one from Matt to Ben again, trying very hard to just be casually funny. It's falling very flat. Don't worry. Blake says if you're still reading this, whoa, you're not nearly as busy as you think, or you're a very nice person sending you all the best, always xx B. And then 87, like the year 87. There's the apostrophe, the reverse apostrophe, 87, which I believe my deep reading lo these many years of Premiere magazine movie line, page six, what have you. That is a reference to when Ben and Blake were doing promotional interviews for the town. Ben would tell a story about realizing how old he was upon learning that Blake Lively was born in 1987 and thus was too young to have seen Good Will Hunting, the film that made Matt and Ben major stars. And I believe that 87 is a very deep inside reference that if I'm Jennifer Lopez, I'm looking at this email and I'm like, this has some nerve. Some fucking nerve. Now, the executives at Sony were none too impressed with Blake resting control of this movie. And in some substance. I'm not going to read all the emails because we've had a very. This is like an 18th century epistolary novel right here, you know, but they were basically like, she's unhirable now. She's done this to herself and nobody's ever going to work with her again. And she was a complete. And there was no reason to treat Justin Baldoni that badly. No reason. The quote from one of the executives is, she did bring it all on herself. So, you know, I'm thrilled. I couldn't be more thrilled. I, you know, I am a firm believer in karma, I really am. And karma has come around to these two bitches. Blake Lively and who is all, at best, she's B level, B level, you know, and her husband, who was on his way to becoming a billionaire and you know, through the work of the nerve and their own work as objectively terrible, terrible people who are beyond phony. Beyond phony. And again, I would implore the town in which Ryan Reynolds grew up, you know, arson does not have a statute of limitations. I would implore them to really begin thinking about going to Ryan Reynolds and asking for him to cut a very hefty fucking check for the money that the hard working taxpayers of that province in Canada had to spend to rebuild that elementary school that he burned to the ground. And you know, Ryan and Blake have committed yet another form of arson. They have burned their reputations to the ground and we will be free from them for the foreseeable future. It looks like it couldn't happen to nicer people. I've got another great, great Hollywood scandal that we're going to save for Friday show. We're just going to save it. So. But you know, Marlena and I, we begin a week and we're like, you know, the show will fill itself out by the time we hit the Friday show. And you know, by Monday afternoon at noon we're like, we're done. It's cooked. If anything, we've got too much. Okay, coming up, Coming up, Troublemaker feedback. Your art and a couple of gifts I got over the holidays. 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So I'm going to save some of these incredible emails for Friday for a lengthier mid show segment where we really get into it. But just a few and some direct bits of troublemaker stuff that came came to my the P.O. box here at the Nerve. Okay, Troublemaker artwork. Oh, I have to get my glasses on for this. This, this one was. This one made me laugh out loud. Header found Stedman. But I fucked up. Okay, this is from a troublemaker who will remain anonymous. Maureen I hired a quantum physicist who works in our university labs to see if Ste. Steadman may have gotten stranded in another multiverse or dimension. And we are going to show this troublemaker's art. We found him, but we now have four Steadmans. I don't know who is the real one. I am in fear of my life if this gets back to the Queen of Darkness, meaning of course, the one and only Oprah Winfrey. Dear Maureen, this is from travel maker Rich, a frequent writer. I miss your gorgeous mermaid pearl ring. I do too, Rich. It's lost somewhere. I'll find it. I'll find it. Okay. This is from troublemaker Diana from Ireland. Troublemaker feedback. This is the subject line on One Battle After Another. Hi, Maureen. Hi, Diana. Several days ago, as I was scrolling through titles on Amazon Prime, I came across One Battle after Another. It was available for only like 5 Euro. I have to say that this is the worst spent 5 Euro ever. Thank you, Diana. We're not crazy out here. The messaging we're getting from Hollywood is that One Battle after Another is a masterpiece. And those of us out here who still trust our own eyes and ears are like, this thing is a heaping pile of hot shit. It's awful. Okay, Diana, I do not understand what Tiana Taylor was nominated for. Me neither, sister. Her performance amounted to maybe 20 minutes total on screen. Okay, this is the truth. During which she got pregnant while blowing up buildings, abandoned her newly born daughter and shoved a gun up Sean Penn's ass. In a sex scene, no less. Is this Hollywood now? It is. It is. There is nothing extraordinary or outstanding about this performance, Diana says. And I agree. I don't know why Leo, once a great actor, took part in this pile of nonsense. And, you know, they're not very bright. You know, they're not very bright. They're told, hey, Paul Thomas Anderson, he's a singular genius. Do his movie. That's it. Sean Penn's doing it. Nicio Del Toro's doing it. You know. Okay, this I have to shout out to troublemaker Nathalie, who sent. She's in Paris and she sent me in. She sent me a couple of things. This beautiful card from the Louvre. And it opens up, it's three dimensional, but inside, inside the, you know, the pyramid on top, the IMK pyramid, are wood chips. Chips of wood, which is just genius. And then sent me a beautiful, beautiful Christmas card and says, to the glorious team at the Nerve, wishing us a banger of a 2026. Long live the troublemakers of the world. Nathalie, we love you. And she also emailed me a link to a really cute Parisian designer line. And she said, I think this one piece in particular you would love to buy. And I bought it, Nathalie, and I'm going to wear it very soon on a forthcoming Nerve. Okay. This comes from troublemaker Glenda, who actually wrapped this beautifully. It was so lovely. It's a belated Christmas gift. Happy New Year wish. Watching the nerves since day one. She liked the don't give a fuck matches in a bottle. Those. We have two of them. They're fuck around and find out and remaining fucks. And we need to get back to that. You know, we were racing towards the end of 2026, but we need to get back to Troublemaker of the month and our fuck around and find out matchbooks I thought you may like. And you and the Nerve team could use these ones as well. She included the Amazon link. This is a jar for. From Glenda, troublemaker Glenda from Georgia in the usa, a jar full of left to give. It's called. It's a. It's a. It's a friend gift. It's a funny gift. Cut out letter piece, bad mood vent. I haven't even opened it yet. I don't know if they. They do come out. They come right out. That's great. We can just sprinkle them around like. No, left to give blood. Blake Lively, your psycho husband. All right, keep the feedback coming. Email me@maureenvilmakeremedia.com or hit me up on Instagram at Maureen Callahan, writer, or at the Nerve show. And remember to subscribe to the Nerve substack over atthe nerve show.com as discussed, that's our weekly email. You just go to thenervshow.com you'll see a prompt. Would you like to sign up for the substack? Put in your email. That's it. An extra $5 a month gets you exclusive bonus content. You know, it's it helps the show grow really. And last week we had exclusive content from Armando Jrts and Armando, I owe you several emails. I saw emails from you that had gotten pushed down in my inbox. 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The Number one newscast in America. Most trusted, most watched. David Muir on abc. Try angel stuff for your tushi. It's made by Angels Soft and strong. Budget friendly. The choice is simple. Pick up a pack today. Angel soft. Soft and strong. Simple. We are back, and I got to give a wink and a nod to producer Marlena. This is her line, and I gotta say, I love it. She says that now that we're about to look at in. In a. In a much more full, robust, just energetic, taking it out to the woodshed way Hoda copies latest masterpiece. Which Marlena, who is. I said to her, if we did a scanning your brain, you know the guy who just climbed that skyscraper in Taipei, Alex, that's free solo guy. And he climbed it with, like, no ropes. And they've done, like, a scan of his brain, and they're like, we don't see, like, a fear response in this guy's brain. I said that. I think doctors would find an area in Marlena's brain that is just purely devoted to puns. And it's. It just. There's. There's no treatment. It's treatment resistant because she cannot stop herself from making puns. Like, she'll make a pun. She'll be like, I can't stop myself. I can't help it. Anyway, it's not Hoda's masterpiece. It's her disasterpiece. I salute you, Marlena. I salute you. Okay, so this is her new podcast, Joyrides. Hoda's selling joy. Hoda quit the Today show to spend more time with her two adopted daughters. And that lasted all of, like, two weeks. And now she's trying to get this Joy 101 app and other multi pronged business off the ground. It's not happening. And so we're feeling desperate. Okay? We're. Whereas desperate is Blake Lively emailing our former F buddy Blake Ben Affleck allegedly reportedly. Okay, so Hoda's first interview is with the Today show host Savannah Guthrie. Now, Savannah, listen, we've discussed this many times. American morning TV shows, like, their. Their whole thing is like, we're just like a big multiracial family. We're family. We're a family coming to you into your home, and we keep you company. And they're like, behind the scenes, they're all bitches. They're all just, like, savagely ripping each other apart. Now they get paid. They're grossly overpaid in part because they have to mask their inner bitch every morning. They got to be friendly and nice and, like, dole out all this bullshit, you know, I mean, American morning television is basically just like online shopping at this point, you know? Okay, so Savannah's in the back of her car at 4am and this is a brutal, brutal time of mourning. And it's clear that Hoda just has, like, desperately inserted herself yet again trying to get some of the Today show halo on her failing, flailing brand. If only Meghan Markle still had confessions of a female flounder, Hoda Copy would slot right in there. Okay, I'm gonna also reference so this Daily Mail story. This was the headline on January 23rd, and I think they picked up the nerve segment and then they kicked the ball down a little bit further down the road because they got some quotes from NBC staff. Here's the headline. Hoda Copy mercilessly mocked by NBC staff. Insiders slam her as, quote, perpetual pest, brutal. They, quote, just want to go away as her exhausting demands are laid bare. Per the article, NBC sources have been mocking the crack of dawn interview with Savannah, largely filmed in darkness, as a disastrous start for Copy. Even Hoda doesn't really know what this is. One insider admitted the staff at Today call her a perpetual pest. She quit and now she keeps begging favors and everyone's over it. A second source, an NBC producer, was even more blunt. Is that possible? Quote, the staff are sick of it. It's not their job to find content for Hoda's app. They're burned out working for NBC News and just want her to go away. Boy, this is like some really pent up tension. They're happy to get this out there. Continuing on from the second NBC source, the producer, she's pushing her luck. The idea looks cute on paper, but in reality, it's awkward. It's forced and exhausting. Hot. His charm only goes so far when people are tapped out. And if Guthrie's involvement in this interview, another insider said Savannah gave Hoda 15 minutes at 4am that tells you everything. If anyone else with so few subscribers asked Savannah to do media, she wouldn't. It's basically Hoda forcing her way back into relevance, and no one is impressed. A representative for Copy declined to give an on the record response. So Hoda knows all about this. They went to her for comment before they went to press. And Hoda, could she be feeling shame? Is she capable? So many of these people are just incapable of feeling shame. Now, as discussed, Joy101's YouTube channel has less than 2,000 subscribers. These episodes, by the way, are presented by QVC. That's where she's Headed. That's where Hoda is headed. Okay, so now as discussed, Hoda jumps into Savannah's car while Savannah's on, on the way to work at 4:00am and she's, she's going to roll out her idea of, you know, I'm going to ask you questions. And Savannah's reaction speaks for itself. Okay, let's Hoda, you know, she's not that bright. We know this. She asks Savannah, excuse me for a moment. My anger overrode my cold. Okay, Hoda asks Savannah, where are you right now in your life? Okay, this is some great a effing bitchery we're getting from Savannah. Here we go. Where are you right now in your life and in the car with you at an ungodly hour? I need to be at work, like soon. So Hoda is trying to sort of laugh it off. And Savannah's kind of laughing too, like she's blunting the brutality of those answers. But she's also saying, you know what else? I need to be at work soon. You know that at that hour in the morning, there's zero traffic in New York City. The city does go to sleep at some point. And so it's probably like a 15 minute drive, I think. Savannah lives downtown from downtown Manhattan to midtown Manhattan. Fifteen minutes tops. That's not a lot of time. And you know what a Savannah Guthrie is doing in the back of that SUV at that hour? She is catching up on prep for the show. That's valuable time. She can be reading in on stories. She can be reading in on research for anybody she's interviewing. She can be catching up on emails, talking to her superiors. But no, she's got to talk to hold a fucking copy. That Great Thinker. Now, Hoda is going to share with Savannah the book she's been reading recently. And again, I could curdle. I could just curdle. I just, the whole thing is just, it's like sour milk. She's again, as with our discussion with Blake and Ryan, these people just can't stop sucking up to each other. And Savannah, you can tell, is repulsed by this. Like, the more Hoda wants Savannah to help her and like her, the more odious Savannah finds Hoda, the more pathetic she thinks she is. And that is the right reaction. Here we go. Do you know what book is by my bed and that I've been reading again? Yours. I was going to make a joke that. It was so sweet. I knew you were right by the way. You were like, what was it going to be? 50 shades of gray again, Hoda. It's not exactly a literary masterpiece. Okay, okay, first of all, just look at Savannah. Like her expression, she's just like. Again, Hoda's like, I'm reading your book again. And she's like, really? She's not flattered by it. She doesn't believe it and she shouldn't believe it. And then Savannah goes, you know what? I thought you were gonna say 50 shades of gray again. She's basically calling Hoda like an old dried up spinster who uses the 50 Shades books to get off. That's the. Those are the real people behind Those masks at 6am Beaming into your living room or your hospital room or your dmv, wherever you're being held hostage. Okay, here comes another inane question as Savannah's looking around going, what kind of road rash would I catch if I just jumped out of this vehicle as it's moving its way toward midtown Manhattan? I can't get to 30 rock fast enough. The magnometer will keep Hoda out, but I want to get out of this conversation asap. Here we go. So if your life were a movie right now. Yes. What would it now? And you're in it. You're the star of the movie. If your life were movie, what would everyone in the audience be screaming at the screen right now? Right now. Right now at your life? They'd be saying, at this stage in your life. Well, would they be yelling from the audience, stop talking. Yeah, be quiet. That's. That's what she's saying to Hoda when Hoda says, if a movie of your life right now. And Savannah. Savannah brings it even closer. She goes, oh, you mean now? You mean now? You mean this bullshit you're forcing me to do, using my hard earned reputation and celebrity to. To help your bullshit, which we all know is bullshit. It's intellectually bankruptcy. You're ripping off the women of America who I need to watch me and not find me credible. So Savannah goes, now. You mean right now. You know what they'd be saying? You know what the audience would be shouting at the scream, shut the fuck up, Hoda. That's meant for you. Now Savannah is going to eviscerate. She's going to cut Hoda off at the knees with the bullshit she's selling. Here we go. I don't know. I'm not into like toxic fake joy sometimes. I don't know, so I won't say right now. She just said, this is without saying it. She walked right up to saying it. You're selling Fake garbage. You're trying to sell toxic, fake joy, and I don't like it. I don't like it. Now the tables turn, and Savannah gets to ask the questions. And again, Savannah Guthrie. You know, Blake Lively could take lessons at this woman's knee. Here we go. My first question is, why are you still waking up at this hour? For you. No, Not. But you know what? I know you still wake up early. I do. And I think there are days that you wake up earlier than I do. And I still have this job because you are an early bird special. You know why I still have this job? If I don't have guardrails, I don't do anything. Blah, blah, blah. Yeah, I have to have a plan. What's wrong with seven? Who doesn't? Because who doesn't have to have a wake up in a plan? Like, if I don't get up. Oh, my God, she is such a fuck with. I can't. I can't. This woman is an embarrassment. She's an embarrassment to herself, and she's an embarrassment to anybody who's caught in her stink cloud. My favorite among the whopping 13 comments left under this episode. This is from a viewer named Ann Davis. And I quote, this is ridiculous. She's talking to Hoda. Please get a real job. Do something with a purpose. Go be an involved parent who's watching your children. Isn't that the reason you left NBC? Yes. Now, Hoda then took to Instagram to tell us the tickets to her retreat, which we at the Nerve tried to. We were on the email list to be alerted when tickets went on sale. And within a day of us signing up for that alert, Hoda announced that not only had the tickets gone on sale again without alerting us would be buyers, but the. But the retreat was sold out. And I think. I think everybody who bought a ticket is named George Glass. Here's Hoda, guys. I cannot believe what you did. Our retreat that we are having in March, sold out in minutes. I also want to let you know that if you wanted to come on the retreat and you weren't going to get a slot, we are going to be doing plenty more retreats. We already have one coming up in New Orleans. We're going to keep you up to date. I can't tell you how overwhelmed and excited I am. All right, Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye. My jar, it's already coming in so handy, I can't get them out fast enough. Off. Hoda, you're. What are your tickets like? MM's, flower sprinkles. You know, Meghan Markle, all my flower sprinkles sold out. How many tickets were available? When did they go on sale? How quickly did they sell out? If you're for real, you'll be able to answer those questions in a forthcoming Instagram reel. Otherwise, we at the Nerve aren't buying it. And when we do sign up for your forthcoming retreat in New Orleans, if you're ever able to pull it off, you'll never find and see us coming. Okay, we're getting smarter as we go. That's it. That's it. That does it for this edition of the Nerve at night. We will be back on Friday with a full Nerve. And Marlena and I, we've got our mini bacon in the oven. It's going to be a banger. A banger. If you haven't already. Again, check out our substack. Go to the nerve show.com be sure to subscribe. Plus nerve merch. 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