← The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
Jen Aniston's Friends Wary of Jim Curtis, Carolyn Bessette's True Nature, & King Charles' Plans
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Maureen Callahan is joined by celebrity reporter and Royal insider Rob Shuter to discuss King Charles' reported plans to turn over former Prince Andrew's Royal Lodge to Prince Harry and Meghan, plus Timothée Chalamet's Actor Awards flop, Hollywood's distasteful "watch parties" of the late Eric Dane's leaked sex tape, and Jen Aniston's inner circle's reservations on the pace of her relationship with her boyfriend, self-help hack Jim Curtis. Then Maureen reads through Troublemaker feedback on Jim Carrey's alarming facial transformation, Chris Stapleton's lyrics and live performance, and how "Ask Not" is flying off bookshelves. Later in the show, Maureen delivers another takedown of Ryan Murphy's "Love Story," including the way Carolyn Bessette's true nature is glossed over in the series and offers a real account of her behavior through excerpts from Michael Bergin's "The Other Man." Wild Alaskan Company: Get $35 off your first box of wild-caught, sustainable seafood—delivered right...
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Hello and welcome to to the Nerve at Night. I am your host, Maureen Callahan. We have a banger. A banger. We've got Rob Shooter, celebrity reporter extraordinaire. We're going over what happened at the Actor Awards, the formerly formerly known as the SAG Awards on Sunday night. What it means for the Oscars, what it tells us about the priorities of certain people who are extremely high profile. Followed by a royal bombshell. Is King Charles planning to offer Meghan and Harry the castle in which former Prince Andrew resided? Rob's got all of the details. He's also got an update on Jennifer Aniston and her con man. Just my opinion, butterfly enthusiast boyfriend. She's also a hypnotist. We've got intel on what her friends are actually doing here in order to try to get Jen to see daylight. Okay, we've also got Rob on Eric Dane who died last week, or sorry, two weeks ago now of ALS and the way in which Hollywood is paying tribute to him. You won't believe it, but you kind of will because you, you know, you're troublemakers. You know how this stuff goes. Then we are going to read your feedback. There's some great stuff in here. Then. Then Ryan Murphy's newest episode of Love Story dropped. So we are going all in on that as you've requested. Troublemakers. Are you ready? Are you ready? Let's go. When was the last time you truly trusted the seafood that you brought home? The nutrition, the taste and the sustainability? Introducing wild Alaskan company. Their seafood is 100% wild caught, never farmed. Which means no antibiotics, GMOs or additives. Just clean, nutrient rich food fish that supports healthy oceans and fishing communities. Wild Alaskan Company delivers perfectly portioned wild caught seafood straight to your door. The fish is frozen right off the boat to lock in flavor, texture and nutrients. Like Omega 3's every order supports sustainable harvesting practices and their flexible membership includes expert tips and feel good seafood. My personal favorite is the wild sockeye salmon. It's rich, it's buttery, it's incredibly fresh. The best part about Wild Alaskan, you can try their fish risk free. If you are not completely satisfied with your first box, Wild Alaskan Company offers a 100% money back guarantee, no questions asked. It's just high quality seafood that you can feel good about. Not all fish are the same. Get seafood you can trust. Go to wildalaskin.com nerve for $35 off your first box of premium wild Caught Seafood. That's wildalaskin.com nerve for $35 off your first order. And thanks to Wild Alaskan Company for sponsoring this episode. Joining us now to discuss everything that went down at Hollywood's latest awards ceremony on Sunday night, plus royals scandal unfolding, plus more celebrity gossip is none other than columnist extraordinaire Rob Shooter of the Must subscribe substack. Naughty but nice. I read it constantly. If you haven't already, go and pre order Rob's new book. It started with with a whisper, which we will all be discussing in our first real official book club with Rob when it's published this spring. Welcome back, Rob. Hey, Maureen.
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Look what arrived at the Post today.
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Oh, are you. Is this your first, like, getting a look at, like, the physical copy? You unboxed it and everything. And isn't it the most incredible feeling,
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you know, because you've done this? Friends of mine who are authors say it's just incredible to actually like hold it and smell it and touch it. Ah, it's a good day.
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It's a. Congratulations.
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Thank you.
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So it's so. It's. It's. It's like giving. It's like, it's. It's your baby. Like, you had this idea in your head for so long and to see it in a physical form, you can hold it, you can touch it, you can. It's just. I'm so happy for you. I'm so happy.
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Thank you. I wish everybody has this feeling at some point in your life and you were gonna say it, and I will. It is like having a baby. I know that sounds dismissive or maybe insincere, but it was just the most beautiful day. A box arrived at my apartment. I wasn't sure what it was. I was like, gosh, was I up late ordering on Amazon? Was I drinking? And Ordering. And then you open it up and it's a lovely feeling. Thank you.
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Well, wait till you see it. You have to arrange them on your bookshelves, you know, copies and copies of your debut novel, which we're all so excited for. Thank you. Okay, now onto the important things, Rob. Like what these miscreants were up to last night or Sunday night, I should say. The newly renamed Actor Awards, which used to be known as the SAG Awards. This is the last major awards ceremony before the Oscars. We need to talk about Timothy Shyamalama. Ding dong. Two things before we get to what happened to him or did not happen to him at that award show. Instead of bringing Kylie Jenner, who he has been bringing to every major award show thus far, Timothy brought his mother. Secondly, I want to take a look with you, Rob, at how his mother was dressed. She is wearing what looks like a day dress for a Sunday afternoon spiked lemonade party at a Long Island. At a Long island suburb. And no shade, because I'm from Long Island. She's not wearing any foundational garments whatsoever. She's wearing open toed sandals, like almost open foot sandals. He's dating a Jenner. He's dating a Kardashian Jenner. You tell me. These people don't have access to the highest level stylists and designers who could have really done something special with his mother. What do you. What do you. What does this say to you?
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Yeah, I'm shocked about this one. So we talked about on your show. I was live on your show, on your Golden Globe show.
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Yeah.
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And she did not walk the red carpet with him. Kylie was inside. And all my sources were telling me this is a very tricky moment for Timothy. He really wants this Oscar. He thinks of himself as the Marlon. Marlon Brando of his generation. He thinks of himself as a. As a very, very serious actor. In fact, he talks about it, which is something Leo never would do, but nevertheless. And so he talks about it on your show. There's been a lot of pushback in Hollywood. I talk to agents and managers all the time. And having a Jenner, having a Kardashian on your arm when you want to win an Oscar might not be the smartest move. Move. However, Timothy felt like it was, but now he looks as if he's doubting that strategy.
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However, do you think the baftas did it to him, Rob?
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Do you think losing at the BAFTAs, sources of mine.
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This is.
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This is the. The Screen Actor Award, the actors Award. So sources of mine were telling me, and at the BAFTAs too, in Britain. He was stunned. He thought he was going to win. He had an acceptance speech. He was the favorite going into this. This isn't even ego. This is just being able to read every, every prediction. I read, you read, Maureen. He, this was, this was his award.
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These are industry predictions, right. These are the tastemakers who almost decide who to coordinate. And the thing about the baftas, you could read as like, okay, the Brits gave it to a native Brit. You can understand that. The SAG Awards is another thing. It is a true predictor because it's actors voting for actors and it's his peers saying to him, no, we don't like it and we don't like you.
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Yeah. And that's the first time that I think it cut through. I hear he was stunned. You're right. The baftas, it's easy to dismiss as Brits voting for Brits.
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Dismiss. But to understand that's the better. Understand completely. Yes.
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That's a better word. Yes. It's easier to understand that he thought this was his. He truly believes in Hollywood. He's really loved, he's really respected. He thinks he's part of that club. And for them to not give it him last night, it's a real sting. And the fact that Kylie wasn't there. It's what, two weeks now for the Oscars? The voting is still open. And so I think we're going to see no Kylie Jenner. However, after you so eloquently described, after seeing what his mom war, I think Kylie might be a better choice. Like it just like he feels like he's jumped out of the frying pan into the fire here. Normally bringing a parent is the safe choice, but after seeing her last night, I think he should probably go solo to, to the ne the events over the next couple of weeks. Oscar Knight is different because the voting's already done. When you walk the red carpet at the Oscars, you can do whatever you want. You can be naked because it's not going to affect the vote. Cher had already won when she turned up in that Bob Mackie.
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I thought, fabulous.
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Some people maybe didn't think it was academy appropriate, but that night doesn't matter.
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It.
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It's going to be the next two weeks, Maureen, and honestly, we watch this very carefully. Lean in, see what events he's going to pop up and see where he's going to be photographed, see what he's going to be doing, see what, what images they're going to leak to the press. And I assure you they're not going to be pictures of him and Kylie Jenner. He might. He might go to a children's hospital.
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I was just going to say he needs a sick kid. He needs a really sick kid. He needs a make a wish moment. That's what he needs, you know, and it's not going to work at this point because it's too late. I would like to think that the nerve is moving the need. There were a couple of bits at that actors award that we talked about on Tuesday's show that read as nerve coded to me. But here's the thing that puzzles me, Rob, and you know this so well because you worked as a publicist slash crisis manager. Okay? This is what you would do with a Timothee Chalamet. If you're going to bring your mother, you're going to get her connected with the best stylist, give her a glow up, a glammy, glam moment. And now the story you're telling on the red carpet is my mom, who sacrificed so much for me. She's here with me tonight and she got the royal treatment. And whether we win or lose, this is a celebration for us and everything we've been through. But instead, he allowed his mother. He has to know he's been in the machine forever. That. That was a wholly inappropriate look that she looked down. I'm not, no offense to her.
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Yeah.
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But like, it was a down market look for a night like this.
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Totally. And it's not. We're not beating her, her up here. She's not part of this machine.
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Right. He is.
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He's dating a Kardashian, a Jenna.
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He's wearing Prada on the red carpet.
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Yes. He's the one that insisted that his girlfriend and he turned up in orange. Like, he is aware of this. He's really, really savvy at this. And to not take an afternoon or even just call your stylist to help your mum out is a real, real science. So any goodwill that he was hoping to build a couple of nights ago by, by bringing his mom really backfired because I think people now are talking that he didn't look after her, he didn't stand up for her, he didn't. He didn't know. Or maybe he couldn't be bothered to, to advise her. It was all about him, not her. It felt like she was a prop and a prop that wasn't really handled with care. It was a bad look all the way, all the way around. I feel for her. I've been at these Award shows. And you can always tell the people who are new to this that haven't quite got it right. But normally there's a safety net, particularly with somebody like Timothee Chalamet, there's a safety net. There should be a safety net. But even with a safety net, Maureen, you have to want to care. And so when these parents turn up, when you see J. Lo bring her mom, Jennifer sends her stylist out, whatever you might think of. JLo or even her mother, Guadalupe, when Jennifer goes to an award show, her stylist, that's part of their fee. That's why I'm paying you $10,000 a day, not to just look after me. Recently my sister's daughter got married and she made sure that my mom, her grandmother, had great hair and makeup.
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Yeah, this is something that most women do in their daily life. Brides routinely. It's not. They don't hire hair and makeup just for themselves. It's for their bridal party. They do it for their mother. They do it for any close relations or even little flower girls who want to feel that way. So just, you know, like, I think to, I think Timothy's real craven nature has just been unleashed. And like, if you're going to use your mother as an accessory, make her a high class accessory. Not this kind of afterthought. Like, you know what it feels like. Rob, he couldn't bring his trophy, Kylie Jenner, because she's now like, she's, she's dragging him down in terms of the serious actors. And so he brings his mother and she looks completely out of place. And the only person you can blame really is Timothy for that. That was on him.
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It's Timothy. You're, you're not, you're not having to go here at a mom, at a parent. I hear it. This is about Timothy. You took her, you invited her, look after her. You know, you see these events. It's like if you go out and you're my plus one and you don't know anybody in the room, I make sure to introduce you to people. I make sure that you know the crowd. I introduce my friends to you. He doesn't do that. She was there as a prop and she was treated as a prop. Bad, bad form. This is going to backfire. There's two more weeks of voting slightly less. And even though he didn't win last night, he could be telling a great story today about what a good guy he is. He brought his money. Sacrifice didn't bother.
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Note the contrast between that. By the way. And so Michael B. Jordan beat him out for sin. Not only did Michael Jordan B. Jordan beat him out, he received a standing ovation, which to me says the room is also saying, f you, Timmy. We love this guy. We not only appreciate his work, but we like him as a person. Michael B. Jordan gets up there and in his speech he says, mom. His mother was there. She was styled to the nines. Thank you for all those afternoons you drove me stuck in traffic in the Holland Tunnel when we didn't even have gas money to get to auditions in the city. That, you know, like a really genuine thank you with some real detail and some grit and some grinding it out and sacrifice. And Timothy was seated front and center, by the way, at that front and center table. Gwyneth Paltrow was next to him. I didn't see his mother. She looked like she was hidden somewhere. You know what I mean?
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You can tell. You can tell when you have dinner with your friends. See who sits next to you. They're the ones that care about you the most. See who talks to you. See who makes sure that you're having a good night. He didn't do his mum right a couple of nights ago. And it makes me sad. It makes me a little bit angry because when he's with Kylie Jenner, he's very attentive. Then we've seen him at these award shows and he won't leave her side. She's not liked in those rooms either. So I admire that he's sticking up for his girlfriend. But your mom stick up for your mom, too. If you can do it for a Jenna, if you can do it for your girlfriend, you can do it for your mother. He chose not to. And he will say the price.
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Just my opinion. He seemed like he was embarrassed of her. He seemed like he was embarrassed by her. And he was forced to think he's
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got too fancy now. Like she. She brought him up on 42nd street in New York. She was in the theater, in the. In the community of show business, but never rose to the. To the level of being a star.
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That's where I think the tension is. That's where I think it is.
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Yeah, Madonna does that. Madonna did that. Madonna dumped all her friends from her past. She was embarrassed by them. Where if you lean into it, it only shows how far you've come. I think it actually helps you because once you realize that you started with so little, it only makes that journey even more impressive. Timothy, shame on you.
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Yeah. And it only makes it more impressive when you can really bring along the people who were there with you as you struggled and who can appreciate it in a way very few people can. Unless. Unless. Unless the conflict is he's got a stage mother. She's resentful that her son made it all the way to the top and she never did. And that could actually be the conflict. It could.
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I hear it's not though. I hear she's delighted.
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Really.
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People that know her. I used to work for Alicia Keys, who actually was in the same building, the building on 40 seconds.
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This is a subsidized housing.
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Subsidized housing.
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Artists. Yeah.
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Manhattan Plaza in New York. Alicia lived there with her, her mother.
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And it's a nice. It's a nice building. It's not like fancy, but it's nice. It's not what you think of as subsidized housing.
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And Alicia's mom knew the Chalamet and they knew each other in the building. They were neighbors. And I hear Timothy's mom is great. The problem isn't the mom, it's Timothy.
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Interesting. Oh, I love it. I love it. Okay, Rob, moving on. Charles, you have this blockbuster story on your Must subscribe Naughty but nice substack. I read this and I was like, I don't believe this, but you're reporting it. And so I have to give it some credence. Charles may offer Harry and Meghan, the disgraced former Prince. Andrew's former castle.
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Charles let Andrew stay at this magnificent home. It is on the estate of Windsor Castle. It is an absolute mansion. They call it a lodge. It's not. It's 30 rooms. Andrew was there for decades rent free. He's now being kicked out and the home is empty. So they are looking for what to do next with the home if they leave it empty. The story is that's the house where Andrew lives. So even though Charles here is a ditherer, I think there's some strategy here. Giving that house to Meghan and Harry changes what that house is. It no longer is Andrew's house. It is Meghan and Harry's our house. And tourists will go and take pictures of it, forgetting the disgraced Andrew. Because whatever you think of of Harry and Megan, they certainly make a lot of noise. So part of it is to change the conversation about that house. Part of it too is Charles is a very sick man. He would like Harry to come back to Britain at least part time. I don't know from my reporting if he's going to give them the house full time or if he's going to Say next time you're in Britain instead of staying.
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Understood.
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Instead of, say, staying at friends houses. When they were in Jordan, they got in trouble because they stayed at the embassy, which they shouldn't stay at because now they're private citizens, they're not royals. So this would actually help, I think, Charles, it will change. It will change the conversation about that, really. House of horrors, let's be clear, stuff went on in that house that they don't want to talk about. They want to turn the page. And also too, it will give Harry and Meghan a place to stay away from trouble, away from embassies, away from Epstein type characters in Britain part time. So I'm not sure if he's just going to hand it to them. They don't want it. They're not moving back to Britain. But when they do go back to Britain, I think they're going to be staying. I hear my reporting said they're going to be at the Royal Lodge.
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It's strange though, because you could easily see Meghan Markle taking this offer and turning it around and saying, you're going to give us a house of horrors in which to live. What does that say about us? I think Charles is so out to lunch. I just think he is so misguided in everything. And I can only imagine what William thinks, if this is some sort of olive branch. William wants nothing to do with them. Nothing.
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Nothing. My sources in the palace are strong as well as celebrities. I was the publicist for Princess Michael of Kent. I've worked for the Royal family. I got a check from them. I got a retainer, a monthly retainer from, from the Palace, I'm told, within the palace. Your recent story, your bombshell, really, saying Charles should abdicate was read within the palace and a lot of the people agree with you. It's time to turn the page. And, you know, we, we've spoke about it before, Maureen. In the next six to 12 months, William's going to be on that throne. He's already the king.
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William's the acting in all but name,
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in all but name. And they don't really know what to do with Charles. So if Charles wants to give a disgraced mansion to a disgraced son, so be it. I don't think William's going to fight on that hill. There's much bigger issues William is going to be dealing with. And so if the King wants one of his last wishes to make him look kind and generous, so be it. But I think it's tricky, isn't it? When I Heard it. As reporters, we hear stuff and you can't believe your own ears, can you? At first, the most shocking stories are often true. It's just something that is mind blowing. But when I was told that Charles, now he's lost his brother, he has. He doesn't want to lose his son too. Charles would be friends with his brother if he could be. I think it's a much safer for the whole family and especially for William if William encourages his dad. If you've got to make friends with somebody, pick Harry, not Andrew.
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You know who Charles could talk to about the pain of losing a brother? William. You know, I have so many theories about that family dynamic, but I just think like reporting like this only further I think intensifies the urgency with which I feel Charles needs to abdicate. He just needs to abdicate. Now moving on, I really want to talk to you about. There are two stories I'm dying to get to you about. One, Eric Dane, who recently died. He died last week of ALS. Just awful. Tragic. He was most famous as McSteemey on Grey's Anatomy. The Daily Mail was reporting that Johnny Depp, I believe, allowed him to live in one of his residences rent free. And he clearly had a lot of support from. From people who kept their mouths quiet. You're reporting that his sex tape has resurfaced after his death. If you want any more proof that Hollywood is. It can be a reptilian place. I remember reading about this scandal back in 2009. I believe it was the Enquirer who was all over it. So he and his, his wife, Rebecca Gayhart. I don't think they ever formally divorced for. For many reasons, but they were married, had a threesome and it was in a bathtub and there was a sex tape made. Now I have two questions for you. One, where are these screenings happening? Is it a Pam and Tommy Lee situation whereby like the thing has just been like copied. Copied and sent virally and. Or was the third party in question, the third member of this threesome? Was she underage?
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She. Let me take your second question first. She's never been identified and that's for a reason. And there is something. And I. I've seen, I haven't seen the video. I've seen screenshots from it. It's a very young looking young lady in this tape. Also to. My sources are telling me it's not a one off. If you're gonna film yourself having sex with your wife and, and somebody else, you don't just do that once. So there's probably a body of work here that's probably.
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And let it. Let it somehow get out of your possession.
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Exactly, exactly. And so this tape has been copied and copied and copied. They're very fuzzy versions. But it's so ghoulish that people in Hollywood in private homes are having screening parties where they're inviting their friends over for a goodbye to Eric Dane party. Now one person told me it made my skin crawl, but gives you an insight into Hollywood. They said God forbid if something happened to Tom Cruise would all scream mission impossible. That's his greatest work. And they think Eric in this sex tape was at the top of his physical form. He looks magnificent. And they don't see anything wrong with sitting around watching someone's most private moments which were not meant to be released. We could argue watching eyes Wide shirt with Nicole and Tom, which is very sexual. They were on camera. They wanted to be on camera. They wanted that to be released. This is a really private moment. It feels so ghoulish. It feels so wrong. But honestly, this is happening now in Hollywood. It's become the new it thing to have a screening party.
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It feels like watching a snuff film.
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It does.
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You know, it's just so. And if the thinking is really well, there he is at his physical peak. A guy who died of als.
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Yeah.
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Are you effing kidding me?
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It's gross. It's gross. It's gross. What do you call it, Maureen? I love it. Reptilian.
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Reptilian. Yeah. They're cold blooded reptiles. I think the last story we have time for. But it is my. One of my favorite ongoing bangers. You are reporting that Jennifer Aniston's friends, who I would like to think are watching. The nerve. Hello. Fellow travelers are trying to warn Jennifer about her romance with celebrity hypnotist Jim Curtis, who is out looking for yellow butterflies while she is shopping for a $25 million luxury apartment for this guy in New York City. You're reporting, quote, they want her to stop writing checks. Rob, you take it.
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And it's not just the big stuff. He can't afford a $25 million apartment. She can. It's the little stuff. When they go out for dinner, when they go out for coffee. Stop. That's what you. That's when you see someone's true colors. I'm fortunate enough to have some. Some wealthy friends. I can't roll like them, but when we go out for dinner, I pick up the tab.
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Absolutely, you pick up the tab or you say, what's My portion. You just don't assume they're going to pay for everything because they have money.
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Jennifer is a cash cow. Her friends would say she's very generous. Her friends, who are more skeptical, would say she's been taken advantage of. It's very difficult in life. You don't have to be famous to know this to marry somebody or even be pals with somebody where there's just such a difference in financial background. It can really raise issues unless you talk about it. Friends of mine, I can't eat at Nobu five nights. I can't afford to go there. So if they want to go to Nobu, I'll say, I'd love to go, but let's go somewhere else and then we can split the bill. And then hopefully they'll say, no, it's our treat. And I'll say, thank you very much, but I do give them the off ramp. He doesn't. He has hit the jackpot moving into a $25 million apartment like Colin Jost has with Scarlett Johansson. It's Scarlet's money that's paying for that. Colin makes a lot of money on snl, but he don't make Scarlet money. It's a real, real issue. And even though he thinks of himself as a therapist, as a Mel Robbins type relationship expert, this conversation has not been had. And it absolutely has to, because Jen's picking up all the bills.
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The difference, by the way, Rob, between a friend who does not have as much money as, say, another, and those sort of conversations about, maybe we go here for dinner and the friend with the money saying, no, no, no, I'd love to. It's my treat. It would make me happy to do so. That's one thing. It's another thing. If you're thinking of merging your life with a guy who's a deadbeat. Just my opinion. We hear he had liens on the $1 million apartment that he's got. He missed like two HOA or like, you know, common charges payments. That's bad. That's bad to miss two in a row. The guy has no income that we can see, aside from this book deal he got. And I gotta ask you, what is your reporting or sense of. Does Jennifer know that people are laughing at this guy and kind of laughing at her for bankrolling this idiot who's like, just go look for yellow butterflies and everything will be great?
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No, she doesn't know. She doesn't know.
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She lives in this real bubble.
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She lives in a real bubble. And if. If you try to Tell her she'll get rid of you. She doesn't really want to hear it. Friends don't want to lose their friendship.
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She's Jason Bateman's of the world. Are biting that. You know, Jason Bateman is like dying. Dying, yes. Biting his tongue with this guy because he's gotta abide it. Otherwise Jennifer will cut him off.
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Yeah. Jimmy Kimmel, who has an opinion about everything is biting.
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No dummy. No dummy.
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Jen, if you're listening to the.
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Jimmy Kimmel has got to be also just dying inside.
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This is her gang. They all know. They all know. Ugh.
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That is the saddest thing you know when you. You get to that level and you are able to purchase even the silence of good friends who would tell you the hard truths that you need to hear. You may not love them, but down the road you're going to be very thankful you had people in your corner who were willing to maybe upset you just a little bit. Rob, oh my God. I could roll around all day with you in this stuff.
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I've got you in my corner. I'm in your corner. It's great to see you, my friend.
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Great to see you, Rob. And congrats on getting the book delivery. We will see you soon. It started with a whisper. Go pre order it all troublemakers. We're going to get Rob on that New York Times bestseller list. Here we go. Bye, Rob.
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Bye. Bye.
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Now we've got longer hair. That would seem to indicate a hair transplant. Looks like a lot of laser work, potentially a facelift, a lot of filler eye lift. Look at those eyelids and upper bleph. All of this talk with like our resident, our resident plastic surgeons has really trained my eye. We'll have to get somebody on here to really talk about this. It's definitely the same guy, but it's, it's disturbing. You know, it's one of those like uncanny valley things where you're like, I think I'm looking at Jim Carrey, but he doesn't look like Jim Carrey. You know, it's really a shame. Hi Maureen. Subject line not so great expectations. Here is some artwork to hang in the woodshed. Sarah Jessica Parker as the rejected, diluted and decaying Ms. Havisham or as the nerves 900 year old sprightly ingenue SJP could revive her career in a remake of Sunset Boulevard as Norma Desmond. She would never. She would never. Sarah Jessica is ready for her close up fan from Florida, Troublemaker B. Hi, Maureen Mobro, self identified Mobo Mo bro Jim from Sarasota yesterday. Jim says he was in Sarasota's Barnes and Noble looking to get American Predator my book before Ask not, which he also requested. And Jim is is reporting that the clerk said, I already know it's on back order, meaning ask Not. Jim said, why? He said four other people today asked for the same book. He said, what is going on? This book has been out for over a year. That is true. Jim told the bookseller troublemakers. Jim says he didn't get it. Keep giving them hell. You got it, Jim. And thanks for the support. Hi, Maureen, this is from Troublemaker Lauren. It's dated Monday, March 2nd. No, sorry. It's dated Saturday, February 28th. Okay. Hi, Maureen. I saw Chris Stapleton in concert last night. I started listening to him after you recommended him on the Nerve. I'm from New Jersey and have never listened to country music much. I was hooked on his music immediately. He was absolutely incredible live. I am obsessed. Lauren, I missed you by a night. I'm wearing my Chris Stapleton shirt. I went to go see him on Saturday night at the same venue in Connecticut at the Mohican Sun. I'd never seen a show at the Mohican Sun. First of all, great venue. Every sight line was incredible. The sound was amazing, the lighting was amazing. Chris Stapleton, my first time seeing him live too. I've been a fan for quite some time now and I went with one of my best friends and it was something of a little bit of a pilgrimage for me because Chris Stapleton's music really, I wouldn't say it got me through. I would instead say it really helped me grieve. My dad really helped me grieve. And there are three songs of his in particular that really spoke to me and that I had play at his wake. I did the playlist for his wake. One was Parachute, Chris Stapleton's Parachute, which I love that song. And my dad was airborne. He was in the 101st Screaming Eagles in the army and he was paratrooper. And so that song has very special meaning and Traveler, which is applicable to so many things, but especially the loss of a loved one. And then probably my all time favorite Chris Stapleton song, Broken Halos. And I went with, so my friend Susanna, who you guys would know, she was on the very, very first episode of the show, brilliant author and all around great person. And it was almost at the end of the, like the set went on for over two hours. It felt like a ten minute long show. And she turned to me and she said, when's he gonna do your song? Meaning Broken Halos. And I said, he will, he will. And two seconds later he did Broken Halos. And you know, shows like that, to me that's the equivalent of a religious experience for me, really, you know, the entire crowd singing, everybody relating to that song in their own specific way. But it's a universal emotion. We all know it. I actually, I cried a little bit. I wept a little bit, you know, I really did. And it was that song in particular that I really, I got, I got out my grief to Broken Halos. I mean, I really. You need a good cry. You need to get it out. Broken Halos. So, you know, Chris Stapleton, the real effing deal. Okay. Finally, Gene Tierney, the movie star. Gene Tierney. Dear Maureen, Troublemaker Meg from Virginia here. I love Gene Tierney's movies. Me too, Troublemaker. Me too. I love all of the classic movies. Laura is a favorite. Same. My mom introduced me to Laura, to Gene Tierney also. Another favorite of mine is Gene Tierney's Leave her to Heaven, which was so far ahead of its time. And Gene Tierney really playing such a dark character and she was so otherworldly, beautiful. And Jean Tierney had a life like no other. When I tell you she survived unimaginable tragedy. I'm actually reading her autobiography right now. It was published in 1978 and I'm really enjoying it and I'm deliberately going slowly. I've never read a celebrity memoir or autobiography that opens with a line. I don't have the exact line. I don't have the book with me. But the book opens. Gene Tierney is standing on the ledge of her apartment in New York City, 14 stories up, and she's debating whether she's really going to jump and commit suicide while she's looking across the street at the apartment Marilyn Monroe lived in when she was with Arthur Miller. And everyone thought Marilyn was happy and had everything, the world at her feet. And she didn't. And people thought the same about Gene Tierney and she didn't. Troublemaker Meg would love to see Gene Tierney as a topic, a subject of a nerve episode. Let me know you guys, if you would like it too. We'll do Gene Tierney. Keep your feedback coming. Email me maureenvilmaycare media.com or DM me on Instagram at maureen callahanrider or at the nerve show. Remember to subscribe to the Nerves Substack. That's our weekly email. Go over to thenerveshow.com, sign up for it there. Shows up in your inbox every Friday after the week's last full nerve. Marlena has inserted this again. I am still working on the Pupper's name. Right now he answers to Puppy or Pupper. If I were a real fan of Blues Traveler, which I'm not, I could name him John Pupper for John Popper. I can't do it. I'm still working on it. I'm gonna get the right name for the little guy. Okay. Marlena was really pushing John Palm Jovi. Jon Palm Jovi. Jon Bon Jovi seems like a nice enough guy. I'm not really a fan of Bon Jovi's music. Sorry. I'm not. Run away. I'll give you Runaway. Other than that, you know I can't. I can't. Anyway. Up next, the nerves recap of the most recent episode of the super glossy super fake. We are here for real. Talk about fake people. Ryan Murphy's version of JFK Jr. And Carolyn Bessette's love story. We will see you back here in a very quick minute. 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I'm calling Page Six and demanding a retraction. I mean, how hard is it to spell Carolyn?
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You're on page Six again. Oh, no. Carol Bassett was in Page Six again. Apparently she was seen canoodling with John at bubbies.
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Last time they called you Caroline. It's shoddy journalism.
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I'd rather they misspelled my name. The less interested in us they are, the better. Yeah, well, they never got Diana's name
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right when she was first dating Charles.
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And now she's the most important. Not true.
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You're gonna be The American people's princess. Which would make us your ladies in waiting.
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You two are demented. I want to keep all that noise up for as long as possible. We're in a really good place.
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A good place? Honey, you share a home and a dog. It's basically like common law marriage. Yeah. You ready to churn out six patriotic kids that all love boats?
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We haven't talked about any of that stuff yet, but I've never been this happy. And going to Hyena Sport this weekend to meet the rest of his family. Squeeze, squeeze, squeeze. But she definitely didn't want to be Mrs. JFK Jr. She definitely didn't want all the shit that came along with that. Hya, Port. Oh, my God. I'm about to spontaneously combust. Let's take a little break and look at some of the amazing memes that have been populating Instagram. First is a woman I've never seen before, but she has gone viral. Hair flip becoming part of my personality. Roaming around the office, you know, flipping one's hair this way and that way and just running our fingers through it and covering our face and just, you know, putting pens in our mouths suggestively and, like, you know, crawling all over desks and, like, hugging walls like they're not inanimate objects. It's hilarious. And on that one, Shaina Phillips, the singer, wrote, wait, where's the lip bite? Oh, my God, it's so true. A friend of mine texted and was like, if I have to see this woman bite her lip one more time in an effort to be coquettish and sexy. Next, Amanda Kloots did her own version of this on Instagram of Carolyn Bessette just trying to languidly look like, oh, this hair. This hair that costs at least $1,000 every six months to bleach platinum blonde and be, you know, like, again, Katie Couric here laughed and said, let me show you how it's done. And finally, this one. Again, an anonymous figure. Otherwise on Instagram, channeling inner Carolyn Bessette in the office. Like it's a laughing stock. Okay, this is a laughing stock Now, John. Back to Love Story. John. This is the run up to the launch of George magazine. And there is truth in this depiction here. And the casting is actually really good here. The casting of Michael Berman. This actor really does resemble him. It's a very strong resemblance. Now, Michael Berman, per many reports, was doing all the hard work, and John was like, really? How hard is it to launch a magazine? All you guys are doing the hard work. Hey, I'M gonna go take off my shirt and run around Central park and get my picture taken. And then I'm maybe gonna go put a dog down. Cause he's biting people in the face. TBD later. And, oh, my dog's taking a shit in the office. My assistant Rosemary is gonna just scoop up that shit like she scoops up all my other shit per Love Story. It's here in this scene. Here we go.
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Okay. What the fuck is that smell?
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Your dog took a dump by the copier.
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Oh, I'm sorry, Rosemary. I'll get it.
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I'll do it. I deal with all your other.
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What? A woman. Should we give Rosie a raise? She really goes above and beyond.
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You know, she's watching Friday for the
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weekend, even though she's a cat person.
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A raise? We might not have a company in a month.
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I don't think it's helpful for you to be this stressed out. Oh, yeah? Well, I don't think it's that helpful
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for you to be so lax.
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You. I care as much as.
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As you do. Good. Then I need you to go into beast mode until the launch. Pull all nighters, work weekends, starting right fucking now. And John's like, cool. I mean, I can do that. Like, Berman tells him, like, I've been hospitalized twice with IBS because I'm so stressed out. I'm doing everything here, and you're doing nothing. And John's like, hey, man, all hands on deck. I'm in. You got me. I've. I've gotten the message. And then Carolyn shows up. Here we go. All right. You gotta choose the COVID Herb sent some options of Cindy.
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I marked down my favorites.
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Cool. That would be Herb Rich.
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I'll show em to Carolyn, see what she thinks. Oh, good. I definitely want your girlfriend's opinion.
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Cindy was her idea. Common complaint at the office. Why is your girlfriend always here? Speak of the devil.
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What's up, kitty cat?
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If we don't leave soon, we're gonna hit Friday traffic. And at that point, we might as well leave tomorrow. Hi, John.
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Are you leaving? I'm taking Carolyn to Hyannisport.
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I'll be back Monday. Relax. Okay. So that little exchange also, by the way, I mean, that just goes to show you the guy. It was like in one ear, out the other. He was going to do what he wanted to do. He had a big weekend at Hyanna. Support George launching or not, him wanting to be taken seriously as an entrepreneur, let alone an editor in chief or not. You know what? Being an editor in chief, working in the media, it can sometimes, it looks sometimes like a glamorous job from the outside. There's a lot of grinding it out. There are a lot of late hours. There's a lot of news that breaks on weekends or holidays or late at night. And if you are a real journalist, like, you're dropping everything because that's your job, you love it. You're going to cover breaking news. John. No, no, no, no. And by the way, so he calls her kitty cat. And I think that she called him in real life, mouse. But she used to do this thing with Michael Berman. It's in the book. And this is not the part I'm gonna read from. But she would always say, meow to him that, like, you know, nothing was sacred. Nothing was sacred. Now, Carolyn. Oh, the, the other thing about the dog in the office, it's like John's dog is just running around the office taking shits on the carpet. He also had a dog named Sam. Now, I knew somebody who worked for JFK Jr. Way, way, way back before George. This was when he had his company called Random Ventures. And he was still trying to figure out what that was going to be. It was aptly named Random Ventures, you know, custom made kayaks. He also had a Rent a Dog scheme. He. This is how dumb he was. He proposed to friends. He had this brilliant idea to start a company that was called Rent a Dog. And it was for people who didn't want to commit to actually owning dogs, but who loved dogs and wanted them for like maybe an hour to walk them. And someone said, john, where did you get this idea? And he said, well, you know, every time I'm out walking my dog, people stop me. And they always want to talk to my dog and about my dog. And they were like, yeah, you know what, John? They want to talk to you. The dog is the delivery system. Anyway, John had a German shepherd named Sam, and this dog wasn't trained properly. And he would bring this dog into the office and this dog bit an employee in the face. And instead of trying to re home Sam or get him really trained up, John put him down. Because that's what, that's what Kennedys do. They put down animals and people who become inconvenient. Not for nothing is ask not dedicated to inconvenient women everywhere. Now John takes Carolyn up to Hickory Hill to meet Ethel, who is, since the death of Jackie Kennedy, the undisputed matriarch of the family. I'm going to tell you something. We're not gonna go through this scene. It's not worth it. But the Hickory Hill of Ryan Murphy's Love Story bears no resemblance to the real Hickory Hill. The Hickory Hill in Love Story is white and bright and light and pristine and clean. Ethel ran a house of horrors. Ethel ran a literal shit show. People who have been to that house will say, you will see priceless rugs that were gifts from Middle Eastern heads of state and there's dog shit and piss all over them. And Ethel was so lazy that she would just wait for the dog shit to harden and kick the turds underneath the dining room table. Her personal hygiene was deplorable and her kids were feral. Okay, so the idea that this is some American version of the crown when you see them all sitting down to what looks like a state dinner in an amber lit dining room, not so now. Further in this episode, Carolyn calls upon Michael Bergen, the male model who remains hopelessly in love with her. And she calls him in this scene to flirt with him, to torment him, to talk about her agonies, about her relationship with JFK junior And this scene is crueler than the director, the producers, the writers and the actors will acknowledge it to be, will really let it be. If this had been in my hands, I would have made it very clear what's going on here? Here we go.
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I got a girlfriend too, and she does make up. And she actually reshaped my eyebrows.
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Remember when I tweezed yours? Yeah, I do. Carolyn sabotaged him. No, I swear. For an early modeling job, she was really fucked up. Now this next exchange feels like the writers are acknowledging the holes in Carolyn's self professed wants. Here we go. You are the most guarded and elusive woman that I have ever met. How are you able to date the most famous man in America? Those doe eyes. I know you, Carolyn.
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I don't know.
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He asked me to marry him. I didn't say yes.
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Well, that makes me feel a little better.
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What do you mean?
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Because if the most eligible bachelor in all of America can't get you to commit, who can?
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I didn't say no. I said I think about it. How's that going? He's fine. He's focused on his magazine launch and this huge press conference with like every news outlet in America. So that is getting close to the real Carolyn, which is like she says to Michael, the boyfriend. The ex boyfriend she knows is still carrying a huge torch for her. He asked me to marry him. As if this is terrible news and as if she's asking Michael to talk her out of it. And she goes, I didn't say yes. And she's doing this gesture. The actress Michael writes about it in his book. Carolyn had this tic. This, like, real. It was like a pathological habit, he would call it. She would worry her skin. She would like, pick, pinch at, like the skin on her forearm constantly, whenever she was really, really like, perseverating on something. And she would do it to him too. She would pick and pinch at his skin. And instead in that scene, she's like, got her arm over her shoulder and she's like, go. I guess that's the actress's interpretation, whatever, you know. But then she says, oh, well, you know. So, yeah, he's fine with it. And by the way, he's about to have press conferences with every major news outlet outlet in America, which is a fuck you to Michael, who is still kind of a model trying to really, really make his way in his career. And that's kind of the real Carolyn. Now I'm going to read from one of my. One of the extracts in the Other man that I think is the most telling. And I don't know how Ryan Murphy does this series without including this scene, because again, if this were in my hands. Okay, so Carolyn has jerked Michael around all over the island of Manhattan for a very long time. She loved. Bombed him within the first three or four weeks of their relationship. They spent every night together except for one. Michael thought they were in love. Michael thought they were really going places. And then she would disappear. She would disappear for months. He would see her in the paper, then she'd come back, she'd have sex with him. Then she would disappear again. Months and months and months and months. She did this so many times. And Michael had had it. And he was at a party with another woman. Did he know Carolyn would be there? Yeah. Did he try to get a reaction out of her by showing up with another woman? Sure. Did he deserve any of what was coming next? Absolutely not. He writes that he and this woman named Nicole was. Were at the bar. This was back when you could still smoke indoors in New York City. She reached for a cigarette. He reached for one of those small votive candles they used to put on bars to light Nicole's cigarette. Before I had even set the candle down, Michael writes, Carolyn was at my side, literally shoving Nicole out of the way. Can I talk to you? She said through clenched teeth. She didn't even wait for an answer. She dragged me to the nearest corner, pinned me to the wall, took my face in her hands, literally burying her fingernails into my skin. What the fuck do you think you're doing? She hissed. And what the hell is she doing here? I was mortified. People were staring. Nicole was looking over at us in stunned disbelief. Carolyn, I said, this isn't cool. I pulled away and crossed back to the bar. Nicole decided it was her turn to rip me a new asshole. Gordon. Gordon, the friend that we just saw in the top of the segment. One of Caroline's, you know, gay fashion fans showed up and intervened. So Michael then turns and catches a glimpse of his face in a mirror. He writes, I had two bloody stuff slits on each cheek from where Carolyn's nails had burst through the skin. This is a model. His face is his money maker. Carolyn is attempting to disfigure him, if not permanently, at least temporarily. Who's going to shoot a guy who looks like his girlfriend just beat the out of him? Behind me, Michael writes, also reflected in the mirror, I I found a I saw a pair of security guards hurrying towards us. They are thrown out. Michael is thrown out anyway. He flags a passing cab, jumps in, goes home. Michael writes, I'd barely made it through the door when the buzzer sounded. Who is it? I said. It's me, carolyn said. I didn't want to let her up, but she buzzed again and again and wouldn't stop until I let her through. She walked in, fuming. I had never seen such rage in her eyes. What is wrong with you? She screamed. She punched me in the chest with her small fist. Boom, boom boom. Three times in quick succession. How dare you parade that girl around in front of me again. Recall she's been dating JFK Jr. She's been jerking Michael around, using him to get Junior jealous. Carolyn turned, Michael writes, saw one of my white candles. A huge candle. Nothing like the little ones back at the bar. Candles I'd purchased to protect myself from evil spirits. Carolyn picked it up, flung it across the room. She threw it so hard that she chipped the plaster on the wall. I began to move toward her, but she was already reaching for candle number two. I ducked as it flew, flew past and shattered the window that looked out onto the courtyard. Then she threw a third, striking the mirror over the mantle. The mirror we'd bought together at the flea market and smashed it two bits. The shards rained down on the floor. There was one candle left. She threw it at my feet and it gouged a 2 inch hunk out of the polished wood floor. What is wrong with you? She screamed, completely losing control. You like trashy girls, is that it? You like them dirty? She turned and kicked my TV set, knocking the VCR to the ground. Then she literally leapt into the air and came crashing down on the vcr, smashing it. I didn't want to be there. I didn't know how to stop her without manhandling her. So I did what any sane man would have done in a similar situation. I ran. I tore through the door, down two flights of stairs, out into the street. I was running like a marathoner, really goddamn moving. But the next thing I knew, Carolyn was on my ass. She was gaining on me. She was moving like lightning. This was nuts. You little baby. She was screaming. What's the matter? Can't you take it? Are you running away from me, wimp? Run, little baby, run. Now when I tell you, as I told you guys in a previous episode, that when that fight happened between Carolyn and JFK Jr that very physical fight in a park in New York City and it hit the tabloids, it hit the national media, it went global. There was video of it, not just photo. Carolyn's friends said among themselves about John Jr. Well, John, now you've met the real Carolyn. We are going to be covering the real fight in the park versus the fake fight that love story would have us believe was nothing more than a lover's spat that had to be had on the way to solidifying this true love in marriage. 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