← The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
Oprah Spends Birthday with Platonic Friend Gayle, Jillian Michaels Gets REAL About GLP-1 Lawsuits, and Amy Griffin EXPOSED
01:30:12
Maureen Callahan is joined by wellness expert and host of the "Keeping It Real" podcast Jillian Michaels to further expose the dangers of pushing GLP-1 drugs into the mainstream, the celebrities who are helping to normalize GLP-1s for weight loss, and the current lawsuits that are already in motion against the pharmaceutical companies for the drug's damaging side effects. Then Maureen lays into some nepo spawns who are putting themselves out on social media but have no business in doing so, she also reads a pile of scathing Troublemaker feedback on Blake Lively, and turns a spotlight on how Oprah spent her 72nd birthday. Then Maureen dives into the core challenges of the publishing world, starting with imposters like Amy Griffin and a prominent NY divorcee named Belle Burden, whose books were both fast-tracked to the fore, based purely upon social status, connections and money. Maureen is later joined by "That Book Is Dangerous" author Adam Szetela to expand on the institutional ro...
Loading summary
Transcript248 lines
- [00:01]
Edible Brand Representative
This Valentine's Day, let Edible help you share the love with. Same day and next day delivery or local pickup, we make it easy to be the hero of the holiday. Choose from our signature fresh fruit arrangements, indulgent dessert boards, or baked treats that arrive ready to wow. Whether it's for a new flame or your forever sweetheart, let Edible arrange the details so you can focus on the moment. Order online@edible.com or visit your local store today to find the perfect gift.
- [00:30]
David Muir
ABC's David Muir, the most trusted anchor in America. The most watched anchor in America. Thank you for making World News Tonight with David Muir the number one newscast in America. Most trusted, most watched David Muir on abc.
- [00:48]
Maureen Callahan
Hello and welcome to your Friday edition of the Nerve. I am your host, Maureen Callahan. We have a packed, packed show for you today. First up, Jillian Michaels is back, one of our favorites to help us break down the latest on GLP1s. All the stuff that the rest of the media won't be telling you and won't be talking about. Plus, she's going to talk to us about the new food pyramid and Andy Cohen. Really great. Really, really great. Then we've got a celebrity roundup with a special Nepo edition folded in. A ton of your feedback. It's incredible. And then later in this show, we'll be talking about everything that is wrong with the book publishing industry. It's not just Amy Griffin, but she's coming in for another whacking. Adam Zatella, author of that book is Dangerous, is going to join us to talk about why the book publishing industry is completely effed right now. Okay. Plagued by trigger warnings, safe spaces, book contracts for only certain kinds of people. And you know, again, nerve recidivist Amy Griffin. You won't believe what the book publishing industry admits about her. You won't believe it, but trust me, the Nerve was right. The Nerve was right. It's another packed show. Are you ready? Are you ready? Let's go. Are you looking for a healthier snack that also tastes good? Great. Then give Masa a try. Masa chips are made with just three real ingredients. Organic corn, sea salt and 100% grass fed beef tallow. No seed oils, no fillers and no mystery chemicals. Unlike regular chips, Masa will leave you feeling satisfied and energized. Not bloated or sluggish. And because they're more filling, you will not find yourself mindlessly snacking and still feeling hungry afterward. Personally, my favorite flavor, the original, but the white, the blue, the lime. I do love the lime. The cobonero and the churro are also delicious. If you are ready to give Masa a try, go to masachips.com maureen and use code MAUREEN for 25% off your first order. Or simply click the link in the video description or scan the QR code to claim this delicious offer. And if you don't feel like ordering online, Masa is now available nationwide at your local sprouts supermarket. Stop by and pick up a couple of bags before they're gone. Joining us now, wellness expert and host of the Must See, subscribe Keeping It Real podcast, Jillian Michaels. Jillian, welcome back to the Nerve.
- [03:45]
Jillian Michaels
Oh, thank you. It's so great to be back on with you.
- [03:49]
Maureen Callahan
So I saw this, like Wednesday morning and I thought of you immediately. Serena Williams was on the Today show.
- [03:58]
Dietitian/Registered Nutritionist
Oh, boy.
- [03:59]
Maureen Callahan
She has nothing, Jillian, nothing to promote. Nothing except except for the GLP1 company that she's now a paid shill for called Roe. And this bugs me so much because this is deception. This is a pharmaceutical ad dressed up as a celebrity interview. We're going to take a little bit of a look and then dying for your reaction. Here we go.
- [04:24]
Additional Wellness Expert or Guest
Yeah.
- [04:25]
Maureen Callahan
So here's the thing. Last time you hear you partner with RO, you've been on GLP1s for, for a minute. And I read this morning, I think this is so interesting. And you tell me if this is right. Some of your numbers like cholesterol or what have you are better now.
- [04:36]
Jillian Michaels
Yeah.
- [04:37]
Maureen Callahan
Isn't that crazy?
- [04:37]
Jillian Michaels
Is that true than they were when.
- [04:39]
Maureen Callahan
You were at competing?
- [04:40]
Additional Wellness Expert or Guest
When I was competing and not just competing and like just playing, but actually winning Grand Slams.
- [04:46]
Maureen Callahan
So my cholesterol level is never forget.
- [04:48]
Additional Wellness Expert or Guest
20% lower than it was years ago, which is insane. Which I didn't even know. So if you have a high cholesterol level, you have a chance for heart disease.
- [04:56]
Maureen Callahan
Yes.
- [04:57]
Additional Wellness Expert or Guest
And that is a huge killer in the States. In the United States. So for me, I was like, was I in line to have heart disease? And like, I did. So what I love about GLP1s is the longevity of health. And that's when I started this. I was like, okay, I want to drop weight, obviously. But it was so much more to me than just dropping weight. And so getting on GLP1s with RO and just having experience with RO and just being able to find all these stats that are just surprising me and blowing my mind and also knowing that, okay, so I'm actually going to be able to be around for my kids longer. Like, who knows, who knows what all this stuff could lead to?
- [05:37]
Maureen Callahan
Jillian, I Think people like you and I know what all this stuff could lead to.
- [05:43]
Jillian Michaels
Oh, geez. Okay. This is such a bummer. I actually love Serena. She's one of my favorite athletes. So to have to comment on this, really just.
- [05:53]
Maureen Callahan
Oh, it's like, I'm sorry.
- [05:56]
Jillian Michaels
Having said that, listen, this is America. You do what you want with your body. But cholesterol, first of all, is a very complicated conversation. And the reality is that while we know there is a correlation to cholesterol and heart disease, that doesn't necessarily mean if you have high cholesterol, you will have arterial plaque. There's a lot of different elements there. And this is where a cardiologist should advise people. It has to do with how much low density lipids, the particle size of the low density lipids, how many small particle low density lipids are you genetically predisposed to depositing these low density lipids in your arteries? There's something called a calcium score, which is far more accurate than just a lipid panel on your blood work. But it's a separate conversation when it comes to these medications. And if there is a halo effect when it comes to health, it's because of the weight loss. So that's going to be, for example, If I took 30 pounds off of Serena without these drugs, same benefits, and probably more so. Again, if this is working for her and she's happy, great. Who am I to tell her what to do with her body? But the truth of the matter is these drugs, I've said it before, and I will say it again, they have a really serious side effect profile. And you just need to know that going in, if it's absolutely something that you're incapable of doing without the medication, then it becomes a cost benefit analysis that you play out with your doctor.
- [07:36]
Maureen Callahan
Yes. And that is my issue with that interview, is that Serena is talking there as though she's very fluent in the medical, biological, biochemical effects of these drugs. And she's saying, and I'm going to. I'm going to live a much longer life because I'm on this GLP1. I wanted to read to you and to you all of the troublemakers. Gillian, let me do. I'm sorry if you go to town.
- [08:03]
Jillian Michaels
But Serena, like, oh, okay.
- [08:05]
Maureen Callahan
Well, we're going to move off Serena to a dietitian who wrote to us from Texas.
- [08:11]
Dietitian/Registered Nutritionist
Okay.
- [08:11]
Maureen Callahan
Okay. She says, I am licensed and registered. I've been practicing for almost 20 years. I practice in the clinical setting. I have seen firsthand the devastating side effects of these medications. We have Seen such cases, such as colonic perforation, acute pancreatitis, blockage in the small intestine that requires a st, ostomy creation, severe gastroparesis and even death because. Because the patient sadly and slowly starved to death. This last example actually happened two weeks ago. Believes just as you do morbidly obese, different conversation, 10 to 30 pounds, diet and exercise.
- [08:59]
Jillian Michaels
Yeah, yeah. You know, I'm sure you've seen that. A bunch of articles just came out in the media. There are thousands of lawsuits against these medications. People are having ocular strokes. I've never even heard of such a thing.
- [09:13]
Maureen Callahan
What is an ocular stroke?
- [09:16]
Jillian Michaels
Essentially, they're spontaneously going blind. Now, that I have heard of as a side effect. I don't understand the mechanism because it's actually not on the box with regard to side effects. So I don't know what the mechanism would be, but it is happening. There's a vision issue. This is far more extreme than what's represented in the side effects. One woman said her colon popped. I don't even know what that means. I honest to God couldn't even begin to tell you. But what I can explain to you is that one of the ways in which this medication works is to delay gastric emptying, which means food will sit in your gut for a long time. If you take these medications consistently, which you have to do because they know that if you get off of it. When I say they know, I'm referring to meta analysis. Everything ever done, if you get off of this stuff, you gain it all back on. It is a marriage. It is not a fling, it's a commitment. Well, if you're constantly over days, months, years, having food sit in the gut and exiting at an extremely delayed pace, imagine what that's going to do. That's the gastroparesis, stomach paralysis. That's what they're talking about. The food is no longer moving through the gut.
- [10:33]
Maureen Callahan
It's.
- [10:34]
Jillian Michaels
And then you get intestinal blockage.
- [10:36]
Maureen Callahan
Right.
- [10:36]
Jillian Michaels
So stuff's getting stuck in there.
- [10:37]
Maureen Callahan
Why?
- [10:37]
Jillian Michaels
Because it's not moving through the gut. You get gastric bezoars, which we've talked about before, which are these balls that look like your cap puked it up in the gut. I mean, it's pretty serious. So I would simply say morbid. Obesity is pretty serious, right?
- [10:56]
Maureen Callahan
Yes.
- [10:57]
Jillian Michaels
There's no judgment here. If you have a food addiction, if there's a psychological component, if there's no way forward and your health is already, great, greatly compromised, this is a conversation with your doctor. But People that are taking these things to get ready for a summer vacation. It's like, dude, you are dancing with the devil. For what? To go from a six to a two. And again, there are things that are observational. So I think, again, I. I hate if I'm being redundant. Please stop me.
- [11:28]
Maureen Callahan
No, no, no.
- [11:30]
Jillian Michaels
If you speak to a plastic surgeon. I know, I know I've mentioned this to you before. They'll tell you that inside, when they open up someone's face, the musculature is destroyed and the body isn't healing the same way. And there's some, very little, but some research to suggest that the medications actually dampen the stem cells in the subdermal layer of your skin. So basically, the accelerated aging is not just, oh, you lost body fat. But, by the way, I've taken hundreds of pounds off of people over the course of decades, right? You've seen me take hundreds of pounds off of people. They always look younger. They never look older. Yes, I think there's definitely something to this that's deeply alarming. And I will say this for the last time. And I swear to God, it feels like. You know, when my kids are in college, I've often wondered, like, do you give them fentanyl strips or is it just sort of like, never, ever touch drugs? Like, can you trust your kids to actually go to that party and never experiment with drugs? Or do you give them the fentanyl strip? So here's my GLP1, fentanyl strip. You go to it. If you. If you insist. And by the way, everybody should do this, whether you're morbidly obese, 40 pounds overweight, you should go to your doctor if you really want to do this. They should run all the necessary labs, check your heart, because if you're going to get on something like retatrutide, you. This is a new drug coming out, but people have access to it through compounding pharmacies. There are separate side effects that can involve the heart. Oh, yeah, it's more powerful than the other two. The previous two, it's a triple agonist. It's called retatrutide and it has glucagon in it. So you have GLP1, you have GIP, and now you have glucagon. So this one's actually more powerful than the other two. And it has a separate mechanism that doesn't just slow your eating, that doesn't just force you into calorie restriction. It actually does have an element or this glucagon, that helps you burn more Fat, so it's even more effective. But of course it comes with another set of side effects. So the bottom line is if you're going to do this, you go to your doctor, you have them run your labs, give you a physical, monitor you, and you compound the medication. So you take a fraction of the dose. And this is my fentanyl strip. This is my, like if you're absolutely hell bent, a much lower dose is going to be much safer with regard to side effect risk. It just is being able to titrate that dose. I would love it if we never had to do these things. Personally, that would be my dream. But if you're absolutely insisting on it, that's the fentanyl strip of GLP1s, dude.
- [14:17]
Maureen Callahan
Yeah. You know, to, to the lawsuits that you just mentioned, Jillian, you know, I have many questions because this is. Okay, the ball is moving a little bit closer to our side of the field. But what are how many lawsuits? Which, which GLP1 is causing the most trouble? What are the, how many fatalities can be ascribed to these drugs or, or new kinds of cancers that are like the turbo cancers that we're hearing about?
- [14:45]
Jillian Michaels
Yeah. Okay, so right now the lawsuits are against the two that are out in FDA approved, which is Semaglutide, that's you know it as Ozempic. And then there's Tirzepatide, which I believe you know as Wegovy or Manjaro. So Semaglutide is just GLP1, tirzepatide is GLP1 and GIP retatrutide, which again not FDA approved yet would be or is at a compounding pharmacy, GLP1, GIP and glucagon. So the lawsuits are against the two that are currently FDA approved against Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisk. What they're trying to allege or are trying to make the case for is that it wasn't on the box. So it's like, well, it didn't tell me I was going to have this ocular stroke or my colon was going to pop. Now the drug companies are like, we.
- [15:45]
Maureen Callahan
Take this super seriously.
- [15:46]
Jillian Michaels
And you know, this is, we're deeply alarmed, but it is on the box. So their argument is it's on the box, side effects are there, you knew the risk and you took it. And to a certain extent that is largely true. So I don't really know where it goes. It does say on the frick. It's a black box warning for things like thyroid cancer, which a lot of people will tell you, oh, you know, it's very rare. Never seen a case. But in fact, there has been safety signals for thyroid cancer that came out of France. And when you look at that data with an expert, it actually is pretty scary. There have been cases, and it does increase your risk to a relatively alarming degree. It's rare. It's called medullary thyroid cancer, but it does exist, and it is a concern. And drug companies don't just randomly put black box warnings on their drugs just.
- [16:46]
Maureen Callahan
Right.
- [16:47]
Jillian Michaels
It's like the last thing they really want to do. So final thought on this, and then I'll shut up, is, you know, for years they've been telling us, oh, please, even these. These drugs have been around for decades. And, you know, they're. They're totally safe. Well, where do you think the side effects on the box came from? The decades that the drugs have been around, causing problems? I mean, it's.
- [17:12]
Maureen Callahan
Right, dude. And this is. This is. I wanted to go. I found. I went back and looked at this interview when Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Who I am no fan of, was running for president. He sat with Kali Means, who with his sister. She. She wrote Good Energy with him, incredible book. And they were talking about these GLP1s. And to your point, you know, I think people can very easily convince themselves that the black box warnings are like a war, an extreme warning, because the likes of Oprah win are out here telling us, take it. Just take it. It's going great for her. So rip on her.
- [17:52]
Jillian Michaels
Can it. When you ask me this, that one I feel comfortable ripping on.
- [17:56]
Additional Wellness Expert or Guest
So you just.
- [17:56]
Jillian Michaels
You let me know when I'm good on that.
- [17:58]
Maureen Callahan
Go for it. Go for it.
- [18:00]
Jillian Michaels
Okay, first of all, this woman has a very complicated financial entanglement with these medications.
- [18:08]
Maureen Callahan
Thank you.
- [18:09]
Jillian Michaels
So she was the one of the top shareholders at Weight Watchers, Right?
- [18:13]
Maureen Callahan
Right.
- [18:14]
Jillian Michaels
Weight Watchers was struggling because of these med. So they bought a company that does telehealth medicine to sell these drugs. That company's called Sequence. She made in this deal through her Weight Watcher stock, hundreds of millions of dollars. It's not a question. Then when people like me were like, wait a second, dude, you. You just did this.
- [18:35]
Maureen Callahan
Hold on.
- [18:35]
Jillian Michaels
You're like the body positivity queen, right? And now you've got this fake show. I don't even know what show that is, by the way. I have no idea where. You've got medical experts who work for the drug companies, and they're blowing your mind. Oh, my gosh. You had no idea that all of this was genetic. And you had absolutely no control as you're like, raking in hundreds of millions of dollars. So then she says, I'm divesting from Weight Watchers. I'm going to divest from Weight Watchers. But it's like you already made hundreds of millions of dollars and divested where, like your, your personal 501C3.
- [19:11]
Maureen Callahan
Like, where did you put the.
- [19:12]
Jillian Michaels
The stock.
- [19:13]
Additional Wellness Expert or Guest
But the.
- [19:13]
Jillian Michaels
Who knows? That's a separate conversation. So now she writes this book with a weight loss doctor who also works for Novo Nordisk and Eli Lilly.
- [19:24]
Maureen Callahan
So I did not know that.
- [19:26]
Jillian Michaels
Oh, yeah. No, the doctor works for the drug companies. Yeah, it's all a gay. It's all bullshit.
- [19:31]
Maureen Callahan
This makes me so furious. So furious. And then she goes over to her platonic best friend Gail's show, and they all sit there and act like they're not getting their pockets lined and. And selling a bunch of propaganda.
- [19:44]
Jillian Michaels
They are. And then the part that's really frustrating to me is she then goes and spews this pseudoscience on shows like the View, and it's like, well, I, I. Because I was obese, I was eating, and I genetically was. I was predisposed. First of all, there are hundreds of different genes that play a role in your body weight. Genetics is absolutely. There is no question. It's a predeterminant.
- [20:16]
Maureen Callahan
Right.
- [20:16]
Jillian Michaels
It blows the gun unquestionably. Like, if I could give you an analogy, we have studies that say cars that drive 120 miles an hour get in more accidents, more accidents being become obese. And then of course, there are absolutely causal studies that show obesity and is related to increased cases of cancer, heart disease, diabetes.
- [20:37]
Maureen Callahan
Yep.
- [20:38]
Jillian Michaels
Right. Okay. So you gotta have an engine that goes 120, though. Doesn't necessarily mean you drive the car at 120. You gotta drive the car at 120 to get in the accident. The drive the car at 120 means you have an engine that goes 120, you have jeans, you eat like shit, you sit all the time. More than likely you will become obese or overweight. Now, a lot of us have many different versions or, I'm sorry, many different genes in this genetic sort of. What is the right word? Milieu. Like of the 300 plus genes or whatever. A lot of us have different ones. I have like six of them and I was overweight as a kid and I don't get to eat whatever I want. So the reality is that if genetics loads the gun, it's lifestyle that's going to pull the trigger. It's Lifestyle that's going to push pushed the car to 120. So it is within your control. It just means you have a predisposition, that's all. You can't eat mountains of ultra processed food and expect to get away with it. You won't. You're not going to so to tell somebody, hey, this is genetic. You're just, you've disempowered them and you've disempowered them on purpose. Agency self empowerment, quite literally is the ability to change your circumstance. And she's telling you you can't unless you take these drugs. Oh, and don't look over here at these for money.
- [22:06]
Maureen Callahan
She's doing it for money. Is the devil you know. Come on. As you just said, she's pocketed hundreds of millions from selling her shares in Weight Watchers and we don't even know what she did with that. How much money does this woman need? And she's telling people in America who have nowhere near her resources, hey, you know what the problem is? You like me, probably have the obesity gene and it reverse engineered me to get grossly overweight instead of the other way around. Now during, during this, this pod that RFK Jr did with Casey, this is, this is how deep the rock goes. And this, this surprised me. I'm like we don't hear this conversation in the mainstream media here. He and Casey are talking about how the irs, the Internal Revenue Service is also a major effing criminal player here in getting as many Americans hooked on these drugs as possible by allowing for tax advantaged health health plans to defray the costs of the drugs rather than defraying the cost of good whole foods and exercise. Here we go. You.
- [23:19]
Dietitian/Registered Nutritionist
From my perspective, it is happening for a very simple reason that the largest and fastest industry in the United States, the healthcare industry, again, largest and fastest growing, it's hard to wrap your head around. Every lever of that industry makes more money when kids are sicker and loses money when they learn metabolically healthy habits.
- [23:40]
Jillian Michaels
Yeah, yeah. You know, I'm working on a book that looks at how we got here and it's a deep exploration into big ag, big food, big pharma, big insurance. And the levels of capture in Washington are so staggering that you're talking about the irs. Irene, Mama, that's nothing. It's everything from faking the research, right? Literally they capture the truth in the research. Look at your kids school. They capture procurement contracts so that public schools have to get their food from certain corporations. And then they rig the food pyramid so that they get hundreds of billions in subsidy flow. I mean, it is every single level. And then if a politician wants to go against them, they primary that politician, they fund their campaign, they lobby them, and then they primary them if they don't play ball. It is so deep and so nefarious and so repulsive that the irs, with regard to this element of capture, is the.
- [24:53]
Maureen Callahan
It's the.
- [24:55]
Jillian Michaels
It's the tip of the iceberg.
- [24:56]
Maureen Callahan
Dude, I cannot wait for your book. I cannot wait. Your book is going to be so important. You know, I mean, I.
- [25:04]
Adam Satella
We could.
- [25:05]
Maureen Callahan
We could go on forever about all the arms that are. That have been captured. You know, the American Academy of Pediatrics, who are telling doctors to get little kids hooked on GLP1s by age 12 so they can have customers for life. I just want to go to a couple of quick celebs who seem to be exhibiting exactly what you have been discussing here on the Nerve. And. And what you discussed at the top of this segment, which is a kind of aging of facial musculature that is beyond alarming. I want to look here at a photo of Brandi Glanville. This is before and after. The after photo is so. I mean, this woman looks like she is the before photo. November 2022. This one taken just now. 2026 or 2025. But wait, wait, wait.
- [26:00]
Jillian Michaels
That's three years apart.
- [26:01]
Maureen Callahan
Yeah, 2026. So three, four years apart.
- [26:05]
Jillian Michaels
Okay. Jeez.
- [26:07]
Maureen Callahan
What do you see, Jillian, in the new face?
- [26:11]
Jillian Michaels
I hate tearing people apart. Let me.
- [26:14]
Maureen Callahan
It's not personal. This is just. This is like. These are the images we are being shown that are being normalized.
- [26:22]
Jillian Michaels
Why though you. You were so pretty and had not that you're not. She's not still pretty. I'm not trying to say that. It's just like, why would you even engage with these medications? I don't understand it. And then what ends up happening? And I'm not. I'm not saying this has happened with her. I have no idea.
- [26:41]
Maureen Callahan
But we don't know if it's GLP1s, if it's this parasite she said took hold of her face.
- [26:46]
Jillian Michaels
Let's say it was GLP1s and she lost a lot of weight. But then what ends up happening is people end up putting a bunch of filler in their face.
- [26:54]
Maureen Callahan
Right?
- [26:55]
Jillian Michaels
And I don't know if you and I have ever discussed that one, but that's a completely different ball of wax, and it is a really bad idea. You know, every couple of years, I pull a couple of CCs out of my right butt cheek. Next two years, left butt cheek. I'm do actually getting a little thin right here and put your own fat in your face, man. Like, I. I'm just being honest.
- [27:18]
Dietitian/Registered Nutritionist
It is.
- [27:19]
Jillian Michaels
It is far safer. Your face will look much better. You know. Yes. It's more expensive. You know, a lot of the fat will go away, but some will stay. And the reality is, if you're looking for something cosmetic because you got too thin or you're underweight or you're just getting older, that is the. It's the only way to do it. Because not only are they going on these weight loss medications, which is accelerating aging, destroying the muscles in their face, arguably dampening this. Those subdermal stem cells, which is what makes the skin look more youthful and actually behave in a more youthful fashion, but then they put all this dead garbage in their face, like filler, and it. It just. It's a compounding problem.
- [28:02]
Maureen Callahan
The other one we have to look at is Kelly Osbourne before and after the after photo.
- [28:09]
Jillian Michaels
No way. No, no, no, that's.
- [28:14]
Maureen Callahan
That's from Instagram.
- [28:15]
Jillian Michaels
No, it isn't. Dude.
- [28:17]
Maureen Callahan
No.
- [28:17]
Jillian Michaels
It can't be real.
- [28:18]
Maureen Callahan
Are you. I know, I know you think it can't be real.
- [28:23]
Jillian Michaels
Are you kidding? That's real.
- [28:25]
Maureen Callahan
That's real.
- [28:27]
Jillian Michaels
Okay.
- [28:30]
Additional Wellness Expert or Guest
That's.
- [28:32]
Maureen Callahan
Gosh.
- [28:33]
Jillian Michaels
Well, here's what I can tell you is that she's been very open about taking these medications.
- [28:38]
Maureen Callahan
Yes.
- [28:38]
Jillian Michaels
I don't feel, you know, she's been. It's not a. Unless all of a sudden she told us she was going through chemotherapy, you know, which, God forbid, I really, really hope not. Oh, my goodness, I'm.
- [28:53]
Maureen Callahan
I feel terrible. I mean, I feel. It's. It's shocking, it's awful.
- [28:58]
Jillian Michaels
And shucks, the family's so nice, too, that I'm like, oh, no. I was fortunate enough to meet Sharon before, who's lovely, and to meet Jack, who's lovely. And it's like, I hate to say, but I would simply suggest. Okay, here's another thing that you and I are not talking about. It is clear that these things are an eating disorder in a pen. And if you're prone to eating disorders and you're not being supervised, you have an unethical doctor, you're buying them on the gray market as research peptides. You see what's possible. It's pretty serious shit. Which is why I constantly say, unless you have heart disease, type 2 diabetes, some significant comorbidities, and you really can't lose it any other way, you need to do it under a doctor's supervision. Get it from your doctor's compounding pharmacy. And it's like fractions of a dose.
- [30:02]
Maureen Callahan
Oh, God. I know. You know your reaction to Kelly, like you know we're talking about a woman of means who has access to the top doctors in Beverly Hills. She looks like they just pulled her out of a concentration camp. She. I'm not saying it to be.
- [30:17]
Jillian Michaels
I know, I know.
- [30:18]
Maureen Callahan
But this is. We are being fed these images and expected to begin treating them as normal. They're not. They're not. And this isn't good. Thank you for joining us. It was such a great conversation. I hope you. I hope finishing the book is as painless as possible. I know it's not, but I appreciate it. All right, we'll see you soon, Jillian.
- [30:38]
Jillian Michaels
Okay, mama. Have a good one. You too.
- [30:40]
Additional Wellness Expert or Guest
Bye.
- [30:40]
Maureen Callahan
Bye. Bye. Troublemakers. Do you ever wake up sweaty, freezing or just plain uncomfortable? All of us know what that's like. But fixing bad sleep can be so difficult. And that is why it's time for a major bedding upgrade. Miracle made sheets are cutting edge. Inspired by NASA technology with silver infused fabric that regulates your body temperature. Hot sleeper, cold sleeper, doesn't matter. These sheets keep you in the perfect comfort zone all night long. Plus that same silver tech ensures your sheets stay cleaner up to three times longer than regular ones, preventing up to 99.7% of bacteria growth. Yes, Fewer odors, fewer washes, way less laundry. Oh, and less in bacteria means healthier skin. To Miracle made also just feels luxurious, smooth, breathable. Honestly, better than some of the five star hotel sheets I've been lucky enough to sleep on, but without the steep price. So upgrade your sleep or give the gift a better rest. Just go to try miracle.com nerve to try miracle made sheets today you will save over 40%. And when you use promo code Nerve you'll get an extra 20% off plus a free three piece towel set. They make an amazing gift and with a 30 day money back guarantee, there is zero risk. Try Miracle.com thenerv that's try Miracle.com thenerv code nerve at checkout. And thanks to Miracle made for sponsoring this episode.
- [32:34]
Tremphya Advertisement Voice
For adults with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms, every choice matters. Tremphya offers self injection or intravenous infusion. From the start, Tremphya is administered as injections under the skin or infusions through a vein every four weeks followed by injections under the skin every four or eight weeks. If your doctor decides that you can self inject Tremphya. Proper training is required. Tremphya is a prescription medicine used to treat adults with moderately to severely active Crohn's disease and adults with moderately to severely active ulcerative colitis. Serious allergic reactions and increased risk of infections and liver problems may occur. Before treatment, your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis. Tell your doctor if you have an infection, flu like symptoms or if you need a vaccine. Explore what's possible. Ask your doctor about Tremphaya today. Call 1-800-526-7736 to learn more or visit.
- [33:30]
David Muir
Tremphyaradio.Com ABC's David Muir, the most trusted anchor in America, the most watched anchor in America for Thank you for making World News Tonight with David Muir the number one newscast in America. Most trusted, most watched David Muir on abc.
- [33:51]
Maureen Callahan
We are back. I would like to let you guys know I've been getting your emails, still asking questions about skin care, especially in the colder months from Dr. Weiser, who I just saw last week and I got some laser treatment. Some of you have been like, what have you been doing, Maureen? I just did some lasers with Dr. Weiser and I said, you know, the troublemakers love you and would you like to come back? And she was like, I would love to come back. So she will be joining us soon. She's also opening a satellite office in Aspen, which is very exciting. So send in your questions for another edition of so Much the Wiser and avail yourself of her brilliant mind. And just, she's always honest. You know, she's got a great bedside manner, but she will never bullshit you. Okay, now before we get into your okay, the email pile is high today because I was like, I, I don't care how much time it takes. We have to get through some of the most incredible, incredible emails you guys have been sending me. We do have some Nepo spawns to take out back. The stump grinder has frozen out here on Long island. Okay? It's like, it's like going well below freezing out here at night. So we'll just open the woodshed and, you know, keep them there for safekeeping until we can actually really do something. Now, Sunday Rose, daughter of Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban, Nepa. This is Nepo, baby bullshit. Okay? She's 17 years old. She's walking. It's haute couture week in Paris. Okay? She's walking at the Jonathan Anderson. She's, she's wearing a Jonathan Anderson coat. I don't know if it's him or who. He's designing for now. I can't keep up anymore. This girl is not a model, okay? And she is taking the slot that should belong to somebody who is far more interesting looking and who embodies haute couture. I am sorry. This is bullshit. She is as plain as it gets. Northwest. Kim and Kanye's daughter, Northwest. Now I almost never talk about Northwest because I think, you know, these are, they're little kids. She's still only 12, but her mother is allowing her on social media. And her mother's sitting off screen going like, well, I'm such a good mom because like I'm monitoring you on social media. Look at this child, you guys. Look at what she is doing to herself. And the teeth. She's gonna open her mouth. Why are you watching my life?
- [36:28]
Jillian Michaels
I don't want it.
- [36:29]
Maureen Callahan
Her teeth are all black.
- [36:31]
Jillian Michaels
Guys, the goat is here. Hey guys.
- [36:37]
Maureen Callahan
That'S Kim recorded that. She called me the goat. North has nothing to say. She literally has nothing to say. But she's smiling into the camera. Stop. Blue hair. Okay, we can end it here because that's it. She's. She's got nothing to say. So why she's on social media. I don't know why a 12 year old, especially a 12 year old who is the daughter of some very famous people should be on social media displaying. And I am just going to be honest here because this is the truth. This is the truth. The way this young woman, this, this tween age girl, rather is presenting herself. She is emotionally, I'm not going to say disturbed necessarily, but something is very, very wrong here. She has made her entire top and bottom row of teeth black. Her hair is blue. We already know she's got piercings, I think she's got tattoos. She is screaming out for help. And I think the last place this girl should be is on social fucking media. Now Oprah's birthday was yesterday, you guys. Can you believe it? She's Sarah Jessica Parker. Has some competition for a sprightly heroine roaming about New York. You know, she's a fresh as a daisy. 72. It's been a big month for Oprah doing a book tour for a book she didn't write, pushing all of her GLP1 bullshit and her and her platonic. Oh, sorry, she rather Oprah. She and her platonic best friend Gail celebrated the 50th anniversary of the beginning of their friendship. The night that Gail hosted Oprah at her condo on a very snowy night in Chicago. And Gail and Oprah said, but I have nothing to wear to sleep. And Gail said, I'll give you a pair of my underwear. Oh, sorry. Marlena corrects me. It was Baltimore. Who cares? The salient detail is that Gail gave Oprah her used underwear, and Gail and Oprah took it and wore it. And by the way, Stedman is still nowhere to be found. But, you know, here's the happy couple out in. Out in New York City. And by happy couple, we mean, of course, Gail and Oprah.
- [38:47]
Commercial/Advertisement Voice
Can I get a picture of you guys together? Just really quick?
- [38:50]
Maureen Callahan
Guys, we got it. We got it.
- [38:52]
Commercial/Advertisement Voice
Thank you so much.
- [38:53]
Dietitian/Registered Nutritionist
Thank you, Oprah.
- [38:54]
Jillian Michaels
Different picture.
- [38:56]
Maureen Callahan
Thank you so much. Gail is the requisite six steps behind Oprah's the royal. Gail is the handmaiden. It's only going to get worse when Gail gets demoted at cbs, which is, you know, coming any minute now. Okay, so we got a couple regarding GLP1s, which are amazing. And we've got a lot of dog emails. And then, well, not a lot, but a fair amount. And then we. There's. It's all so good. You're just. You just settle in. Settle in. Okay. Hi, Maureen. You were just talking about how the use of GLP1s turns food in your stomach into a rock because it just lays there for days. And it made me think of my favorite celebrity, of which there are very few, Lisa Marie Presley. Her cause of death seemed to be covered up and then finally revealed and not in a very public manner. This is such a great observation. Troublemaker. She died of a blockage from a bariatric type of surgery she had done years before, most likely after the birth of her twins, even 50 years after the death of her father. And I am going to go see that Baz Luhrmann reconstructed film of Elvis in Vegas when it comes out next month. I can't wait. After the death of her father, doctors are still doing things out there that they shouldn't be doing simply for the money. Let's try to make Hollywood great again. Well, or at least accountable says troublemaker. Marta, couldn't agree with you more. Again, please forgive my. My voice. This. Okay, I got this for more than one person. The headline, the subject line, david Spade a troublemaker. He may be a mo bro. Maureen was listening to his and Dana Carvey's YouTube fly on the wall this week, and he said, timothy Shamalama Ding dong. I laughed out loud. This is troublemaker. Tamara. Tamara. Thank you. She said it right underneath it. She goes many ways to pronounce it. Tamara. Oh, rhymes with camera. Tamara. Thank you, Tamara. And she is writing from well under the 20 plus inch snowpack here in the Western Catskills. Maureen I am a proud mo bro. You guys kill me and I am currently pulled over on the side of the road because I am taking a break from prepping the roads for snow. Wow, you are a mo bro. That is a very masculine job. And thank you for prepping our roads, troublemaker. Jace to write this email While driving I have been listening to a podcast which we here have been tracking at the Nerve Jase called Dead Certain the Martha Moxley Murder. Now Martha I wrote about in my book Ask not as oh, he read the book and he said my BS meter while listening to this podcast went ballistic. There's a reason we haven't covered this podcast yet. Jace. From the first episode it was clear that this was nothing but a bootlicking Kennedy fanboy who wanted to cash out on his relationship with them within the first five minutes. He admits that RFK Jr commissioned him as a ghostwriter to write a book that would clear the name of one Michael Skakel. He basically spends this is so disgusting. I hate this shit. He spends the next few episodes painting Martha who is savagely sexually assaulted and pummeled to death with a golf club. She was 15 but Martha, according to this podcast, as Skakel's defense team tried to paint her as well in court as a boy crazy and irresponsible 15 year old girl who like to drink, smoke and party. What is this, the Salem fucking Witch Trials? She was a teenage girl. Get the fuck out of here. Michael Skakel himself was even interviewed on this podcast. Bye bye bye. Okay, now this is from our beloved. I'm going to take it down. Our beloved Paul from New Zealand who often writes with his girlfriend Pam. I think it's your girlfriend. Forgive me if it's your if you two are married. Paul wanted to weigh in on the topic of Blake Lively versus Justin Baldoni and boy did we get a ton of feedback about that. We will be following this story with the alacrity and care it deserves. Okay, now he also first of all, he points out that it was a major box office success. It ends with us. But in my opinion, Paul writes Blake Lively wanted the sole rights to the sequel. Apparently. Apparently according to Paul, there is a clause in Baldoni's contract stating that any sexual assault misconduct would strip him of the rights to the sequel. The way we see it is the rest of the story is one mean girl Bullying too early on Ryan Psycho Arsonist Excuse me Paul. Always we must Full title Psycho Arsonist Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively used the legacy media that would be the New York Times to smear Baldoni. However, they underestimated the power of new media and podcasting where Justin got his message out. Agreed? Agreed. Okay. This is from Troublemaker L, coming to us from Paris. Okay. I recently learned this is so good, Troublemaker L, that Taylor Swift's Life of a Showgirl was released on October 3, which the Internet, I did not know this has thrown as Mean Girls Day. There is no detail that escapes Taylor Swift's notice. Not a one. And Taylor has been telling us who she is for years now. I heard this lyric in the supermarket last week and went, oh, yeah, here's the lyric. Did you hear my covert narcissism? I disguise as altruism like some kind of congressman. The signs were always there, you know. We're going to do a segment with our beloved Sam Voxnin, who we have a. We have a. We have a. An interview with him that we've got scheduled on. Pegged to a very. A big, big celebrity story. But we're going to do an episode with him on covert narcissism. It's going to be great. I'm fascinated by it. Troublemaker L signs off in a very Armando J. Ortiz way as author, bon vivant and dork in Paris. We love you, Troublemaker L. Maureen, this is a classic case of revenge because Justin wasn't into Blake. This is a very popular theory. And I also believe this is definitely one of the factors animating the rage. Troublemaker Jessica continues. Do you think Ryan Reynolds knew his wife had a wandering vag? A wandering vag? You guys are so effing inventive. Hi, Maureen. I believe psycho arsonist Ryan wrote that email to Ben Affleck and signed Blake's name, and I think she was all for it. Ryan has made my skin crawl for years when everyone else adored his scary face with those beady eyes. Cheers from the troublemaker Grandma on the island. That is a colloquialism for Long Island. Hi, Maureen. I have a no pressure ask. Much like Blake had to Ben and Matt, I have a suspicion that Meghan Markle lied to Harry to tell him there would be no photos taken at Kris Jenner's 70th birthday and then later blamed it on their publicist, which resulted in the publicist quitting. I think this is a very, very good theory. This Troublemaker Sarah also wants to know if I would ever share. I mean, of course I'll share my hair color, hair styling tips. Well, I've Talked to Darrell about whether he would do a tutorial about how to get the soft waves. Darrell is not with me today, so please have mercy on me as my hair will continue to deflate throughout the show. But he is all for it. And I can also ask my colorist as well if she would. If she would like to. To come on and talk. Getting a good blonde is really, really hard. Okay, could it be time, Troublemaker Sheila, you're a frequent flyer. We know you. Sheila, could it be time for a commentary on. On Caroline Kennedy's husband, Ed Schlossberg, who presently looks like the ghost of Hanukkah past? Hi, Maureen right out of the gate. Are they divorced or what? They're not divorced, Sheila, but I'm going to tell you, I think they have a relationship that is very common amongst Irish Catholic families. They are of a certain age. They are separated. My opinion, just my supposition. They are separated. They live apart. They will never legally formalize a divorce or announce a divorce. They will legally stay married for a bunch of reasons. Legal, financial, emotional, psychological, whatever. Now, Sheila also writes, it looks like their kids, Rose and Jack, inherited his work ethic and overall weirdness. She writes, this is great detail. I didn't know this. This is just this troublemaker's report. At Ed's wedding to Caroline, when. When the fireworks began to fizzle in the ocean fog, the guy in charge of the fireworks reportedly remarked, this depicts what Ed Schlossberg does for a living. Even JFK Jr. Was always like, we have no idea what the fuck this guy does for a living. These gadflies lay about. Okay, from reading, Ask not I know you know of his actions during the beset in the wake of the death of the. Of the beset girls, Carolyn and Lauren, and how he bullied, bullied, bullied the mother. And Sheila writes, how about when it was suggested a Kennedy do a eulogy at the service for Lauren Bessette in Connecticut, and Ed reportedly said he did say this. Kennedy's only eulogize Kennedys. He's not a fucking Kennedy. Such a fucking prick, asshole twat. Okay, twat, Is it twat? I think I mispronounced that little slur. Okay, Golden David Mamet quotation. You guys were unfamiliar. Freaking fire this week. Hey, Maureen. Troublemaker Mo bro, Doug from the Netherlands here. Hey, Doug, I was just watching a 1994 interview with David Mamet where he said the following quote, no one who had a happy childhood ever went into show business. So good. Doug writes, does that not read like a Nerve commandment. Best get that engraved and mounted in the woodshed where it can be read by repeat offenders on their way to the wood chipper. Love it. Love it. Good morning, Maureen. Greetings from one of your Irish troublemaker cohort. We are many, by the way. I love to hear this. This is troublemaker Kitty from County Derry, where it is also very chilly. I thought you might be interested in what has just dropped in my email below. Believe me, I am. Mother of God says Kitty. Have we not suffered enough? I'm just going to show it. We're going to do a full screen, but I'm going to hold it up right here. You guys are going to die. You're going to die. Rosie o' Donnell camped to Ireland, you know, because of Trump. Excuse me, must we have this unbearable woman be foul the stage upon which some of the greatest musicians and a few turkeys. To be fair, nobody judges the arts like the Irish have entertained audiences for more than 160 years. Needless to say, I'll not be spending any of my hard earned cash on Ms. Odonnell's tickets. She is also thankful to Marlena because Marlena does a ton at the Nerve as we know. She believes Marlena, that you should persevere with the bangs in her humble opinion. Although she says you're beautiful with or without. Absolutely true. Also, Kitty writes that the Ulster hall where Rosie O will be be fouling the stage was the first venue in which Led Zeppelin performed Stairway to heaven live on the 5th of March 1971. I love it. Okay, now we heard we got a follow up from on. I think it was the Nerve at night. It was the Nerve at night. Maybe it was. It was one of this week's nerve nerves. We read an email from Mellie who had lost her dog Beau. And we showed a picture of Beau, absolutely adorable little guy. And she's been really, really struggling since Beau died. Really struggling. And she, she wrote this follow up and I really just had to share it with you guys because it just goes to how incredible this, this little community we've built. This kind of big community we've built. It really is. So she said that yesterday she was praying. She was praying to God for help with her grief and a sign from Beau. And then she said after that I planned to watch episode 88 is episode 88 of the Nerve in bed while clutching Beau's blanket and the little toy doggie that is in the photo I shared with you. And then you said you were gonna shoot photos of. Of some of the troublemakers Dogs. And she wondered if it would be Beau. And she says, I cannot put into words how grateful we are. And we all cried happy tears instead of sad tears. For the first time since Beau's passing, I must reiterate that the comfort that you and the troublemakers have given to me is immense. The inspiration immense. She is making sure she is responding to all the beautiful comments you guys have left on YouTube about Beau as well. Thank you, Maureen and fellow troublemakers. Fellow troublemakers, you have gifted me a channel for my grief that I so desperately needed and longed for. She's writing her book. She's writing her memoir. Write that book, Mellie. Write that book. Attached is a photo of Beau and I together in bed, and we're showing it here. I do have a desk, but I was. But I would always write in bed, as we could snuggle up together and he could pull his signature move of resting his back legs up on my lap. Now, as I continue to write our story in bed, I have his blanket and Teddy in his spot next to me, along with the knowledge that I have so much support behind me and that BO is here with me for every word I type. Thank you, Maureen, and troublemakers, thank you so very much. Love to you, Mellie. Dearest Maureen. So troublemaker Dar's Den here on the coast of Mississippi says this troublemaker carries a long, big spoon to stir that trouble up, push those pests to the woodshed and scrape the rest of them to the wood chipper. I think Oprah may have Wendy Williams Stedman to ensure he never speaks about what he knows and has seen. You know, he has seen some things between Oprah and Gail. Oprah could constantly torture him, and I fully believe she'd get great joy from it. Dars Den shows us my puppy love. Marley, we've got three pictures here. My dog, Rudy. Rudy, sorry, was 17 when she passed. And so my little nieces could not stand me not having a dog. They brought me Marley. She just turned 10. Marley's a girl, right? Forgive me if I'm wrong. Oh, yeah, she is. Her brother Janzy. My kitty, just passed away. He was 16. They were best buddies. And you also have to look at this photo. Excuse me. There's Marley with her toy, and then Jancy. And there's an incredible photo of. Of Marley with a paw. Oh, my God. I could cry. I sound like I'm gonna cry. It's really the cold, I swear. Tears? No, never. Okay, just a couple of quick more. You guys are just. You were too Good. As I said, Maureen, greetings and salutations from Australia. Is that a Heather's reference? After living in London for 22 years, I'm well versed in all things royal. Markle trying to score an invite allegedly reportedly to the Valentino funeral was her attempt to cosplay Princess Diana when she attended Gianni Versace. Gianni, excuse me, versace's funeral in 1997. We are showing the image of that here. This gold digging grifter doesn't have an original thought in her head. If you also look closely at that photo in the back left hand corner, mainly almost 100% obscured behind the priest, but you can see a little bit of her hair and profile is Carolyn Bessette Kennedy or Carolyn Bessette as she was then, I think also including a photo of my beautiful German shepherd, Maya. Maybe Maya and Teddy can join forces to locate Steadman. Trust me, we are going to widen this investigation and Teddy may be bringing on another, another special special agent to help. And this is all the best, Angelique. And finally, Wayne Wayne has another update on Stedman. Wayne seems to have a line. He believes Stedman. He insists Stedman is alive and is constantly reaching out. Maureen, Stedman Graham has asked me to. To write to you. I can report on good authority that for the past three weeks he has been holed up in Bungalow 3, the John Belushi suite at the Chateau Marmont. Yesterday afternoon he thought maybe Oprah had lost his scent, so he decided to risk it and get some fresh air and a newspaper. But when he came back, he noticed a maid coming out of his room. As he was about to open his door, he hesitated and fantasized to himself by my. She may be tipping the scales at 400. Is this about the. The maid? Okay, well, whatever. When he turned the door handle, an explosion rocked the chateau, leaving Stedman standing in the doorway, his tweed suit in tatters, his hair and mustache singed and smoldering. He looked worse than a blown up Wiley Coyote. That's when he called me from the lobby. Wayne, please ask Maureen to contact SEAL Team Teddy immediately. Teddy's having some treats, but as soon as he's done, I will alert him. Okay, keep your feedback coming. Keep your incredible, ingenious, funny, heartwarming, heartbreaking, amazing feedback coming. Email me at maureenvilmaycare media.com or DM me on Instagram at Maureen Callahan, writer, or at the Nerve show. And remember to subscribe to the Nerves Substack. That is our weekly email that arrives in your email inbox and every Friday at 3pm Eastern. All you have to do is go over to the nerve show.com sign up if you want the bonus content. It's like five bucks a month and it helps keep the show growing. This week we've got an exclusive interview with none other than Paul from New Zealand. So definitely sign up for that and we will. Oh and then coming up we're going to talk the publishing in industry. We're going to talk up the problems with it that they would have you think that are just in your head. Why so many lame like socialites, celebrities, friends of celebrities are getting book deals. We're going to talk about all of it. Okay, it's going to be. I've been dying to have this conversation. We will be back in a minute. Small businesses need our support. According to a 2025 bank of America report, 77% of small business owners said that their costs have increased over the past year. 88% say inflation is negatively impacting their business, creating even more financial pressure heading into 2026. This is where a warehouse comes in. A warehouse is your go to marketplace for goods made by small businesses. Awarehouse is committed to supporting manufacturers who create high quality, ethically made pieces and making your shopping experience easy and enjoyable. Awarehouse believes that true luxury isn't about fancy labels or big brand names. It's about the dedication, creativity and care that goes into every product. So go check out their website which now boasts over 2000 products from over 100 independent vendors. I just recently got a beautiful, beautiful, cozy, well made, incredibly well priced blanket from a warehouse. You can really trust the vendors they've got going on over there. So head over to awarehouseshop.com and use code the nerve for 15% off your first order. That's a warehouseshop.com code the nerve.
- [60:47]
Commercial/Advertisement Voice
America, America. You used to be so fun but now you go to bed at night scrolling on your phone. Well listen up America. Carnival is here. There's comedy and snorkeling and dining like everything from sea to shining sea.
- [61:09]
Maureen Callahan
Find your fun again today.
- [61:10]
David Muir
Carnival is calling.
- [61:12]
Commercial/Advertisement Voice
Save up to 40 off your cruise.
- [61:13]
Dietitian/Registered Nutritionist
Vacation offer Plastic cruise fairly restricted supply.
- [61:15]
Commercial/Advertisement Voice
For details, ships registry the Bahamas in.
- [61:17]
David Muir
Panama, ABC's David Muir, the most trusted anchor in America. The most watched anchor in America. Thank you for making World News Tonight with David Muir. The number one newscast in America. Most trusted, most watched David Muir on abc.
- [61:35]
Maureen Callahan
We are back. Now this subject matter like books, books, book writing, book buying, book selling, book reviewing the publishing industry at large. This is a very it's it's It's. It's. It's a sexier conversation than you might think. And this goes to our Mini tomorrow, which when Marlena and I found this, I. We practically jumped out of our skin. We were like, holy, this is it. And by the way, it happened on a Monday. Happened on a Monday. There is somebody out there who just got a big fat fucking book deal whose book isn't out until way later this year, which means it's not even done yet. And trust me, this guy didn't write this book, trust me. And this guy has gotten already a huge media platform to promote this book, which is not again out till the end of this year. And trust me when I tell you that never happens. This never, ever, ever happens. And there's one reason and one reason why. And holy effing crap, if these people don't have it coming. So buckle up, troublemakers. The Mini's gonna be a banger. Now, before we get to our interview with this author who wrote an incredibly salient book called that Book is Dangerous about the rot in the publishing industry. And the rot is basically this. As I've said before, unless you are a queer, non binary amputee dwarf from Palestine, the chances that you're going to get a book deal are slim to none. Slim to none. I mean, or you're Oprah and you spy, like, another person's work and you think that looks like a moneymaker. If I slap my name on it and make myself the co author, and then I'll toddle over to Gail's show over on CBS Mornings and take all the cr.
- [63:22]
Adam Satella
You know what I mean?
- [63:23]
Maureen Callahan
There's a real rot. And none of us are crazy for being like, where are the good books? Where are the good books? And I'm going to talk about two books right now that are driving me up the effing wall and are getting. Okay, first, I don't know if you guys have heard about this, but anybody who reads the New York Times or the Economist definitely has. There is a woman named Belle Burden and she has a memoir out. And I am telling you, the only reason she got this book deal, let alone the coverage she is getting, is because she is the daughter of Babe Paley, granddaughter. Excuse me, granddaughter of. Thanks, Marlena. Of Babe Paley, who, you know, was a huge socialite, one of Truman Capote swans, married to Bill Paley, head of CBS News. You know, it's all an incestuous circle. Okay, here's Bell's story, which she originally wrote as A Modern love for The New York Times, okay? That quick edit is because I just had a mini sneezing fit. And Marlena said you're allergic to the bullshit. She's so right. Okay? Bell Burden is also a descendant of the Vanderbilts, okay? She went to Harvard. Her marriage was announced in the New York Times. Has she done anything with her life? No. Her husband came home one day during COVID and was like, I want a divorce. That's it. That's it. She got a fucking book deal. And you know what else? Okay? Her major issue was she didn't know if she was going to exit this divorce with both the Martha's Vineyard house and the New York City luxury property. Spoiler alert, she did. Every time someone who is completely undeserving of a book deal gets a book deal, that is a fucking far more deserving author, like our friend Melly writing about her dog Bo, who should totally get a book deal, okay? Or at least have a major agent take a look at that manuscript. Melly, stay in touch with us. You know, they also had a private beach on Martha's Vineyard Island. I mean, cry me a river. Get out of here. Okay, now, right before New Year's, and I made a note to mark this and come back to it. You know, we went in on Amy Griffin last year and we were like, this is a lie. We think this is a lie. I think this is a lie. I'll just say it. I don't think that she was savagely sexually assaulted and raped by her coach at her school as a kid, and she accused a real guy who. She gave a pseudonym in the book, but everybody knows who this guy is. She's married to a billionaire and she's swanning around Instagram still. Shameless. Shameless. As discussed, Mr. Mason is his name. That's. That's the. That's the pseudonym she gave him. I hope Mr. Mason finds a great fucking shark of a lawyer who will take his case pro bono and sues the ever loving shit out of Amy Griffin and her husband. He's a billionaire. They'll settle with you, Mr. Mason. But more importantly, the Amy Griffins of the world, as. As does the publishing industry at large need to be taught a lesson, which is that you can't go around accusing people of the most heinous crimes there are because you need to feel fucking special because you married a billionaire, but you don't have anything to do with yourself all day except buy celebrity friends and buy access to places where celebrities hang out. That's Amy Griffin in a fucking Nutshell, Okay, New York magazine at the end of 2026 ran a piece called Book Industry Professionals Get Candid about the state of the Industry. This piece ran in Vulture. It was published on December 24, 2025. This is also a piece, by the way. Notably, industry insiders say that Jenna Bush Hager, that moron over at the Today show, no longer moves books the way she once did. Nor does Reese, excuse me, Reese Witherspoon, nor does Oprah, okay? So don't fall for their bullshit when they stamp their imprimatur on a book cover. They're all crap books, you know, they're like written at fourth grade reading levels. Let's talk about books over here. Really, we all read. Okay, now one brave soul who remains anonymous got real about Amy Griffin and her bullshit memoir, the Tell. Just my opinion, Spiciest book gossip that broke this year. Amy Griffin's, I'm quoting, tenuous relationship with the truth. And that is a publicist at a big five publisher. So the whole industry knows and they propped up this. They should all be ashamed of themselves. They should all be fucking ashamed of themselves. Now here's Amy still star fucking all over Instagram with Gloria Steinem. And you know what, Amy? Gloria isn't even that great of a catch because you know who else star fucks all over? Gloria Steinem. Megan fucking Markle. Get real, sister. The caption, thank you, Loria Steinem, for paving the way long before many of us found our voices disgusting. Garbage language. You remind us that change comes by creating spaces where truth is honored. Ask Mr. Mason what the truth is, Amy. Ask all those power brokers at the Big Five who know you're a fucking liar. My opinion. Okay, so we are talking now with Adam Satella, who recently published a book called that Book is Dangerous, which covers all of this. Here we go.
- [69:17]
Adam Satella
Now, right before we bring Adam in, I want to play a little bit from this movie, this trailer to the 2023 film American Fiction, which was one of the funniest, smartest films I have seen in quite some time. I saw it the year it came out.
- [69:36]
Maureen Callahan
It.
- [69:36]
Adam Satella
It's about a black author who cannot get traction writing his serious books. And so the white editors and agents in his life encourage him to write what they believe will be an actual real black book about the black experience that will sell.
- [70:01]
Maureen Callahan
Here we go.
- [70:03]
Commercial/Advertisement Voice
Monk, your books are good, but they're not popular editors. They want a black book, they have a black book. I'm black and it's my book.
- [70:11]
Maureen Callahan
You know what I mean?
- [70:14]
Commercial/Advertisement Voice
Look, at what they publish. Look at what they expect us to write. I just want to rub their noses in it.
- [70:26]
Maureen Callahan
I'd be standing outside.
- [70:29]
Commercial/Advertisement Voice
Deadbeat dads, rappers crack. You said you wanted black stuff. That's black, right?
- [70:34]
Maureen Callahan
I see what you're doing.
- [70:37]
Jillian Michaels
We sold a book.
- [70:39]
Maureen Callahan
No, we believe Mr. Lee has written.
- [70:41]
Jillian Michaels
A bestseller as a joke.
- [70:42]
Maureen Callahan
The most lucrative joke you've ever told now is Stag. A pseudonym?
- [70:46]
David Muir
Yeah.
- [70:46]
Maureen Callahan
Mr. Lee can't use his real name. Is this based on your actual life?
- [70:53]
Commercial/Advertisement Voice
Yeah. You think some bitch ass college boy can come up with that shit?
- [70:57]
Maureen Callahan
No, no, no, I don't. Can I ask? What you were in for was a murder.
- [71:04]
Commercial/Advertisement Voice
You said that, not me.
- [71:06]
Maureen Callahan
They ran 300,000 copies.
- [71:07]
Jillian Michaels
Your books changed people's lives.
- [71:09]
Maureen Callahan
They're offering $4 million for the movie rights. Yes.
- [71:12]
Commercial/Advertisement Voice
The dumber I behave, the richer I get.
- [71:17]
Adam Satella
So that's a.
- [71:18]
Maureen Callahan
That's a humorous look at the state.
- [71:19]
Adam Satella
Of book publishing, or one aspect of it. Welcome, Adam, to the Nerve.
- [71:26]
Dietitian/Registered Nutritionist
Thanks for having me, Maureen.
- [71:28]
Adam Satella
Congrats on your new book.
- [71:31]
Maureen Callahan
That book is dangerous.
- [71:34]
Adam Satella
And basically here you're taking on what has become, I think, a quite sclerotic and scared industry that once obviously was at the forefront, really the vanguard of pushing uncomfortable ideas and really critical thought that might offend people. And there was a time when offending people was actually a good thing. It meant you were moving the needle in the culture in some way. Adam, what do you think has happened? Why is book publishing now a place full of trigger warnings and safe spaces?
- [72:12]
Dietitian/Registered Nutritionist
Yeah, so I think there's a few different reasons, but first and foremost, when you consider mainstream publishing, and by that I mean places like Penguin, Random House, HarperCollins, Simon, and choose Schuster, those institutions have for decades been overwhelmingly left of center in terms of the people who become editors and even the people who become literary agents and other sort of publishing adjacent roles. And really around the early 2010s, this period that is now known as the grand, the Great Awokening or the surge in political correctness. The same things that we were seeing on college campuses, especially at elite college campuses, places like Harvard, Cornell, where conservative speakers are being shut it down. Something very similar was going on in publishing. And essentially these folks behind closed doors were saying, there's racism in the world, there's sexism in the world, there's transphobia in the world. And we as publishers, we need to make sure our books are not promoting those harmful narratives. So in this sort of weird alchemy project, things like the death of George Floyd, other big events in the World then get turned into Penguin Random House hiring sensitivity readers to weed out potentially offensive material. Or, you know, like the film trailer that you just showed publishers asking for more black books or gay books or trans books or what have you. But at the end of the day, essentially what they're talking about is sort of the right kind of black books or the right kind of gay books or the right kind of trans books, which are books that at the end of the day, push, push a progressive narrative, whether it's through fiction or nonfiction.
- [73:54]
Adam Satella
Yeah. So when you're talking about Penguin Random House, Simon and Schuster, this is what people in the industry call collectively the big five. There used to be six, now there are only five. Someday there will be two, maybe one.
- [74:08]
Maureen Callahan
You know, but just these are the.
- [74:10]
Adam Satella
Huge, huge companies that have a stranglehold on what gets published. You either get published through them or you essentially self publish.
- [74:20]
Maureen Callahan
This all, I believe.
- [74:21]
Adam Satella
And we're going to talk in a minute about this incredible piece that was written in the Free Press two years ago about this very thing. And that piece dates it to George Floyd. And I would date it there, too.
- [74:34]
Maureen Callahan
George Floyd.
- [74:37]
Adam Satella
That moment changed so much about the culture, and really not for the better. I mean, since then we've had classics such as Huckleberry Finn canceled because of language that was common at the time. We saw, you know, Oprah, that force for darkness. I swear, Adam, I don't know your thoughts on Oprah, but do you remember when she anointed Jeanine Cummins American Dirt as her book club pick? And what happens when they pick your book?
- [75:11]
Maureen Callahan
When Oprah picks your book is your.
- [75:12]
Adam Satella
Publisher goes into hyper overdrive. And now you're printing like half a million to a million copies.
- [75:18]
Maureen Callahan
You know, you've got a huge publicity push. You're, you're, you can basically just count.
- [75:23]
Adam Satella
The money coming in before a single book has been put on the shelves. And Oprah caught some shit from the culture.
- [75:30]
Maureen Callahan
I couldn't tell you where it came from.
- [75:31]
Adam Satella
It was just this overwhelming hive mind.
- [75:33]
Maureen Callahan
Group think that a white woman had.
- [75:35]
Adam Satella
No business writing a book about Mexican people.
- [75:39]
Maureen Callahan
And Oprah canceled the book and her, Janine's publisher canceled the book.
- [75:45]
Adam Satella
And weirdly, this weekend, I was just talking to a friend of mine who said, oh, are you reading anything good lately? I said, I'm reading this, I'm reading that.
- [75:51]
Maureen Callahan
What are you reading?
- [75:52]
Adam Satella
She goes, american Dirt. And I love it.
- [75:57]
Dietitian/Registered Nutritionist
Yeah, that's, that's a wild example because it's, it's also one of those books and there's A lot that I mention in my own book, that among the sort of literati class, the people who write reviews at the New York Times, the sort of gatekeepers, even people like Oprah, who, who can very much shape economic outcomes for books. Among that class of people, American Dirt was problematic, or Jeanne Cummings was, you know, the common expression is she should have stayed in her own lane, which is, you know, write a book about white people. But when you look at the general public, I mean, general public loves that book. And many people consider it a very strong, progressive book, a very anti racist book. I mean, you see that when you look at the Amazon Review. So there's been this huge kind of disjunction between what I, for lack of a better word, we'll just call normal readers and the gatekeepers who actually set the pace for what gets published and who ends up as the next Oprah Book Club pick.
- [76:55]
Adam Satella
It's such a shame because this is completely antithetical to what fiction writing is, even nonfiction writing. I mean, as a nonfiction author, I would say this.
- [77:05]
Maureen Callahan
Your job is to get in the.
- [77:07]
Adam Satella
Head and the hearts of your characters.
- [77:09]
Maureen Callahan
That's it.
- [77:10]
Adam Satella
And it's a humanist enterprise. It's not one that should be restricted by one's race, class, gender, the time in which they live. Otherwise we would have Adam zero art.
- [77:25]
Dietitian/Registered Nutritionist
Yeah, no, I agree completely. And it's really unfortunate that in the past decade, some of these ideas that I find absolutely preposterous, and you find preposterous, they've become policy setters within the publishing houses. So when you go on Twitter 10 years ago and you start seeing a hashtag called OwnVoices trending, that essentially means that we want books by authors who share the same demographic characteristics as the focus of their book. Right? So if you're a white guy and you know you have an Asian American character, that is not an Own Voices book. If you're a black person and you have an Indian character, that is not an Own Voices book. So there became a point, and, you know, we're seeing the consequences of this now where editors weren't even looking at manuscripts that fell outside the quote, unquote, Own Voices narrative.
- [78:18]
Adam Satella
There's also something happening that really only is talked about within the circle of people who it really affects. And that is that since all of this lunacy began, if you are a straight white male, good luck selling your book. There are a million other authors ahead of you who, based solely on identity, not on the quality of their work, are going to get a book deal before you will.
- [78:49]
Dietitian/Registered Nutritionist
Yeah, 100%. And, you know, there's people on the progressive left who will call that statement ridiculous or what have you, but for people actually know the book world. And I would say the same, too, about other sort of spheres that have been taken over by wokeness, like college admissions at elite universities. I mean, what you just said is about as controversial as a bake sale. Like, everyone knows that. People.
- [79:11]
Maureen Callahan
Oh, but you can't say it. But you can't. Like, but when you.
- [79:14]
Adam Satella
I've been in these meetings, I've been with these people. You can't say that to them.
- [79:18]
Maureen Callahan
I mean, they would. They'll throw you out. They'll be like, what are you talking about? We're all about, you know, equality and dei. What are you talking about?
- [79:26]
Dietitian/Registered Nutritionist
Yeah, it's funny. I was actually, and I quote this person in my book. It's. She's a woman of color. She's a president at one of the big five publishers. She's been there for a few decades. And I brought this up to her. And she, in a sort of honest moment, admitted the fact that, yes, it actually is harder if you're a cisgender, heterosexual white male, really. But her point was, now you know what it feels. Feels like. It's such a wild thing for me to hear because, I mean, there's so many things wrong with it, but first and foremost, like, I'm in my 30s. Like, I didn't benefit from, you know, Jim Crow segregation and things like that, but it's this idea that because I, too, am white or male or cisgender, and, you know, historically that has been the dominant group, that now I know what it feels like to be excluded. Excluded from certain sectors.
- [80:18]
Maureen Callahan
But it's not just you.
- [80:19]
Adam Satella
First of all, what are you supposed to do? Apologize for the accident of your birth?
- [80:23]
Maureen Callahan
You know, I. I actually did have.
- [80:26]
Adam Satella
An editor once who I adore, when I first began working with him, apologize to me for being a straight white male. And I said, amazing you, please do not do that. You can't do that. Like, I don't want you to do that. I think it's important that your eyes are on this book.
- [80:43]
Maureen Callahan
Book, you know, and it's.
- [80:44]
Adam Satella
It's just. But that's kind of the rot, like the institutional rot. I'm sure you know this, but even for authors, so much of book publishing itself, like, how books get published, who decides what to buy, who's buying them.
- [80:59]
Maureen Callahan
What the budgets are, how your book.
- [81:02]
Adam Satella
Gets scheduled for release, who you're up against, it's all Kind of deliberately made a mystery.
- [81:07]
Maureen Callahan
You know, I've been doing this for.
- [81:09]
Adam Satella
A very long time and I still learn stuff every day. I sometimes find myself asking questions and I feel like, oh, I should know this by now, but actually I really shouldn't because by design it's like the wizard of Oz. You really just don't know who's pulling the strings. All you know is there is this hive mind at work. And by the way, the same thing is going on at the few remaining places that seriously cover books such as the New York Times Magazine. Now I know people who are astounding established authors who by all rights should have their latest books reviewed in the New York Times Book Review. And this is a conversation I've had about five times over the past few years. Oh my God, I can't believe my book didn't get covered. Like what do I need to do? What do I need to do? And I say, you know what you need to do? You need to become like a queer limbless refugee from Palestine who is non binary and questioning your sexuality. And then you'll get reviewed in the New York Times Book Review.
- [82:06]
Maureen Callahan
I don't know about you, Adam, but.
- [82:07]
Adam Satella
I see books in there and I'm.
- [82:08]
Maureen Callahan
Like, I don't know who this person.
- [82:09]
Adam Satella
Is, what this book is doing, why this book exists. It's complete.
- [82:13]
Maureen Callahan
It's all this, you know, this word that I don't really love, but it's the only one that suits.
- [82:17]
Adam Satella
It's all identitarian.
- [82:19]
Maureen Callahan
It's how do you identify?
- [82:20]
Adam Satella
Identity is the number one thing that's going to get you through that door.
- [82:25]
Dietitian/Registered Nutritionist
People like, you know Roxane Gay, who is a New York Times contributor and it's like you look at her and she kind of has, she's sort of the real world equivalent of like Yoda. Like she's morbidly obese, she's I think bisexual or lesbian. She's dark skinned. She like just like stacking all these identities to the point where in the, in the world of the New York Times Book Review and like those sorts of parties, like she's almost like this like holy figure that you, you, you can't even disagree with in terms of her non fiction writing but her fiction, like I've read it, I don't think it's great.
- [82:59]
Adam Satella
She's a terrible writer, she's a terrible thinker. You know, she's, and she's angry all the time.
- [83:05]
Maureen Callahan
And the New York Times loves her.
- [83:07]
Adam Satella
I mean they were plugging her in everywhere, the op ed pages I think for a time she was like an advice columnist. I'm not taking advice from that mess. Are you kidding me? Also, fun fact, as I'm sure you know, cousin of Claudine Gay, the Harvard president.
- [83:22]
Dietitian/Registered Nutritionist
I actually didn't know that.
- [83:24]
Adam Satella
Their cousins who was forced out over rampant antisemitism in the wake of October 7th on her campus, refusing to stand up for her Jewish students. I want to read a bit from.
- [83:35]
Maureen Callahan
This Free Press piece.
- [83:36]
Adam Satella
Did you happen to see this when this came out in 2023?
- [83:40]
Dietitian/Registered Nutritionist
Yeah, your producer sentenced me. I think I read it when it came out. I have read the author because he has been embroiled in his own controversies for putting forth these perspectives on publishing.
- [83:51]
Maureen Callahan
Ah, well, it's. This is why it wound up in.
- [83:53]
Adam Satella
The Free Press, because New York magazine's not publishing this shit.
- [83:56]
Maureen Callahan
Okay?
- [83:57]
Adam Satella
So he, he cites the, the, the May 2020 death of George Floyd as the inciting event in book publishing, and I quote, in an immediate attempt to appear committed to combating racism, because publishing, by the way, is extremely white. It had been extremely white to that point. The, the major publishing houses rushed to hire and promote editors of color. Several editors described the hiring and promotion frenzy of 2020 and 21 as, quote, excessive or obviously political. And they identified several key diversity hires who alienated longtime editors, agents, and writers. My aside, because they all knew it.
- [84:38]
Maureen Callahan
Was bullshit and these people were getting jobs they had no business getting.
- [84:42]
Adam Satella
These included Dana Kennedy, who, who had spent most of her career at the New York Times doing corporate communications before being named publisher of Simon and Schuster's flagship imprint. Phoebe Robinson, a standup comedian who now runs the Penguin imprint, Tiny Reparations Books. And it goes on and on and on, even to talk about lower level hires who editors would be shocked to realize had no idea how to even. Adam, write an email.
- [85:14]
Dietitian/Registered Nutritionist
Yeah, for sure. I mean, I think Alex Perez is absolutely right about that. And, you know, it's. It's the same sort of stuff we see at other institutions, too. And if you point it out, then the response is always, you know, you're a turf or you're a racist or you're a sexist. This is why, you know, you'll notice that people aren't identified by name in my book. And that's because even the people who find this stuff to be so ridiculous and anti Democratic and antithetical to Merit, they won't speak up because they don't want to get accused of being on the wrong side of history or being sympathetic to racism or Trump or what have you? So it's really created this stifling atmosphere where you can't even critique this stuff if you're in publishing.
- [86:01]
Adam Satella
Adam, how difficult was it for you to sell your book?
- [86:05]
Dietitian/Registered Nutritionist
Difficult? I actually, I. I haven't spoken about this publicly. I'll probably write about it at some point. But my book, because I was still thinking about being a professor at the time, I wanted it to be with a top academic press so that you know it. I wrote it as a trade book, so it's. Anyone can read it. But I also wanted to do it with the university press. So it had a past peer review and things like that, and it passed period review at another leading university press. And the editor was super excited. She's like, we got a hit on our hands. And she took it to our team and they came back and explicitly told me. They were like, I know this is kind of ironic, given your whole book is focused on this, but we don't feel comfortable acquiring this, even though it passed peer review and went through the whole process because we're worried about the backlash to it. And. And I was kind of like, well, that's. That's not how peer review is supposed to work. But, yeah, it was. It was kind of an uphill battle. I mean, fortunately, MIT picked it up, and I think there's a reason for that. You know, in other ways, MIT has defended freedom of speech and intellectual freedom in ways that places like Harvard and Oxford and other places haven't. But it was not. It was not as easy as it should have been. I'll say that.
- [87:23]
Adam Satella
What do you think it's going to take, Adam, for this? I don't even know what kind of this isn't even thinking. This is just sort of reflexive virtue signaling. It's something that you and I both know a good portion of people who are pushing these agendas don't even really believe. And they know it's awful, and they know it's awful for books and book publishing and ideas and honestly, the health of the American mind. So what will it take for this spell to break?
- [87:55]
Dietitian/Registered Nutritionist
Yeah. So I think if I had. There's my magic wand solution, which I don't foresee coming to fruition anytime soon. And that solution is that these big institutions that have a monopoly on publishing, you need to have political diversity in them. So you can't have the majority of people in editing, the majority of people in marketing, the majority presidents of imprints, all be overwhelmingly left of center, because then you're going to experience what we experience. Now, where these publishers will literally take a hit on their own bottom line just to conform to social justice sort of leftist narratives. Right? So there's so many examples. There's Hachette, which a few years ago fired a very prominent editor who was picking up amazing bestsellers that were bringing a lot of money, bestsellers by people like Vivek Ramaswamy and other conservatives. And her colleague said, no, she needs to get out of here. She's promoting harmful narratives, et cetera. You know, there's the staff at Penguin Random House who tried to cancel Jordan Peterson's book. There's the staff that tried to cancel Josh Hawley's book, Mike Pence's book. So, I mean, these folks, if you just have political sort of these homogenous echo chambers, you're not going to see real change. And they're willing to shoot themselves in their, you know, face to, to do that. Right. In the same way, don't think Harvard, even though, you know, they're changing some things with threats of budget cuts and stuff like that, Harvard is not going to look astronomy astronomically different unless they actually start hiring, you know, moderates, conservatives, etc. Because these echo chambers just breed more extreme versions of whatever the beginning ideology is. So if you take like 25 socialists and put them in a room together, they're going to come out of that room even more socialists than when they entered because they're all just going to be reinforcing each other's ideas, offering new arguments. And that is what we have seen at places like Penguin Random House, where the own staff will say, let's cancel this book that we know is going to sell millions of copies and actually fund our own jobs because Jordan Peterson hates trans people or whatever. But again, like, I don't. I don't think right now publishers are incentivized to diversify their workforce. But, you know, if conservatives start sort of playing the, you know, the game that liberals have played, targeting businesses like Chick Fil A and stuff like that, I could see things, you know, in theory changing because, you know, conservatives are half the country. Right. And they, they read books too.
- [90:29]
Adam Satella
Yeah, I, you know, I admire your, your optimism about it. I really do. It depresses me, really. It really just does.
- [90:37]
Maureen Callahan
Because I.
- [90:38]
Adam Satella
There are times when I think, oh, God, I wish I was. I. I had been working, like, as a real writer in the sixties or the seventies in New York where everybody wanted to be provocative and come up with the sharpest argument or the most offensive idea and see who could pull that thing over the finish line. And today a Norman Mailer would have been canceled.
- [91:02]
Maureen Callahan
A gay Talis would have trouble.
- [91:04]
Adam Satella
He would be canceled after having written radical sheets, which is something I think every young journalist should read. And it's creating a cosseted culture that just will not brook any dissent. And I think that your book is a very important tonic and corrective to that. So thank you for coming on the Nerve. That book is Dangerous by Adam.
- [91:28]
Dietitian/Registered Nutritionist
Thank you.
- [91:30]
Adam Satella
Thanks for coming on.
- [91:31]
Maureen Callahan
That does it. That does it for our first Friday edition of the Nerve. Come back and see us tomorrow for the Mini. Oh my God, this Mini Savage. Savage. You're gonna laugh out loud, not because of anything we necessarily say, but because of what the dope we're covering has to say. Currently involved with one of the most famous people on the planet that is going to drop on YouTube tomorrow at 10am Eastern. Get your coffee, get your hot cocoa. If you're on the other end of the world, get your wine, your cocktail of choice and join us. If you haven't already, check out our substack. Come on and join us. It is a party over@thenerveshow.com be sure to subscribe. Plus nerve merch grab something for yourself or pick something up for a fellow troublemaker@shop thenerve.com you can also listen to the Nerve every Monday, Wednesday and Friday at 9am Eastern on Megan's Podcast Playlist. You can find that on Sirius XM channel 111, the Megan Kelly channel. We will see you troublemakers back here tomorrow for the Mini and then again next week right here at the Nerve, where you will never guess what we're about to say next.
- [92:58]
Greenlight Infinity Advertisement Voice
Did you know 39% of teen drivers admit to texting while driving? Even scarier, those who text are more likely to speed and run red lights. Shockingly, 94% know it's dangerous, but do it anyway. As a parent, you can't always be in the car, but you can stay connected to their safety with Greenlight Infinity's driving reports. Monitor their driving habits, see if they're using their phone, speeding and more. These reports provide real data for meaningful conversations about safety. Plus, with weekly updates, you can track their progress over time. Help keep your teens safe. Sign up for Greenlight infinity@Greenlight.com podcast.
- [93:28]
Commercial/Advertisement Voice
Real talent is defined by what people can do, not where they learn to do it. So by stopping at the education section of a resume, you might throw away the perfect hire skills. First, hiring helps you see talent others miss. Like more than 70 million stars, skilled through alternative routes, let their story unfold, and gain a competitive advantage because hiring managers who start with skills are 60% more likely to find a successful hire. Hire skills first. Learn why@tearthepaperceiling.org brought to you by opportunityatwork and the ad Council.