Prince Andrew's Royal Exit, Influencers Eclipse A-Listers, Drew Barrymore's Shocking Victory

Summary

The Nerve with Maureen Callahan – October 21, 2025

Podcast Summary

Episode Theme:
Maureen Callahan, joined by celebrity reporter Rob Shooter, delivers sharp, skeptical, and often irreverent commentary on a week packed with bombshells: Prince Andrew’s forced royal exile (and the power struggle behind it), the status collapse of A-list movie stars in the era of influencers, and Drew Barrymore’s polarizing Emmy victory and recent viral TV antics.

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Major Topics & Key Segments

1. Prince Andrew's (Final) Royal Exit: The Power Play at Buckingham Palace

(Starts ~04:54)

• Overview: Years after Jeffrey Epstein’s scandal and civil settlement, new developments have led to Prince Andrew being definitively ousted from the royal circle—an act orchestrated by Prince William, not King Charles.

• Key Points:

  • Power shift: William, frustrated with King Charles’s reluctance to act, used strategic timing with new revelations (Virginia Giuffre’s forthcoming book and police investigations) to force his father’s hand.
  • Daily Mail bombshell: London's Metropolitan Police are investigating allegations Andrew abused protection officers to obtain dirt on Giuffre—possibly including her Social Security number.
  • Royal family dynamics: Charles remains loyal to Andrew due to family ties and the influence of Queen Elizabeth’s legacy, but William’s assertiveness signals a monarchy firmly under his future control.
  • Implications for Meghan and Harry: This “chess move” sends a clear warning—the Sussexes might lose their remaining titles and royal privileges.

• Notable Quotes:

  • “[William] sat there, he waited for the right moment... he knows his dad, a very weak man. A nice man, but a weak man.”
    — Rob Shooter, 08:14
  • “It’s chess. It’s the long game that William plays. And now one would think that the gruesome twosome in Montecito might finally get the message that they are next…”
    — Maureen Callahan, 09:50

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2. Meghan Markle's Designer Freebies, Publicity Hustle & Royal Fallout

(Starts ~12:21)

• Overview: Meghan Markle’s pursuit of free designer goods and association with luxury brands is dissected, with Rob revealing insider stories.
• Key Points:
  • Meghan’s penchant for borrowing designer clothes dates back to her actress days; her reputation among designers was marred by delayed returns.
  • When she joined the Royal Family, this practice was forbidden—Kate Middleton always buys her own.
  • Post-exit, Meghan reportedly resumes the “freebie” hustle, even hitting up Hermès for a brand deal (refused). Rob recounts a pre-Harry anecdote of Meghan pitching herself as a “lifestyle expert” at the Wendy Williams Show, pitching and self-promoting her way up.
  • The Sussexes, especially Meghan, are portrayed as deeply invested in maintaining publicity and status symbols (e.g., monogrammed bags, calculated photo ops).
• Notable Quotes:
  • “Megan likes to borrow clothes. She was told by the royal family she couldn't do that. Now…she can now do what she wants. So she's back to borrowing designer clothes and sending them back.”
    — Rob Shooter, 15:44
  • “Did you see her tote bag…monogrammed with an enormous D S? Please do not pay attention to me. I fled for my privacy. But just in case you missed it, I am, yes, the Duchess of Sussex.”
    — Maureen Callahan, 17:07

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3. Celebrity Crisis: A-Listers in Decline, Influencer Takeover

(Starts ~24:02)

• Overview: Julia Roberts’ new film bombs; Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban’s breakup; the diminishing power of Hollywood movie stars versus online creators and influencers.
• Key Points:
  • Keith Urban/Nicole Kidman: Urban’s sloppiness with drugs is well-known, but reportedly, infidelity—not drugs—killed the marriage.
  • Julia Roberts’ flop: “After the Hunt” fails spectacularly at the box office despite heavy publicity, pointing to fading commercial power for former box office royals.
  • Industry analysis: Movie stars demand high fees but rarely deliver in ticket sales; the public prefers authenticity, now found more in influencers than A-listers.
  • Cultural transition: Traditional PR strategies, stage-managed media tours, and reliance on star power are no longer effective. Streaming and digital creators shift the paradigm.
• Notable Quotes:
  • “The movie star in America is no longer what it was. And I think that's a good thing… Those days of getting $20 million a movie are over.”
    — Rob Shooter, 25:00
  • “If you look at the covers of the magazines, it's not [A-listers] anymore. The time has moved on and they have not… playing the old game with the old keys is not going to unlock the new doors.”
    — Rob Shooter, 27:50

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4. Jared Leto’s Fall & Hollywood’s Accountability Gap

(Starts ~34:24)

• Overview: Jared Leto's failed "Tron" reboot, overshadowed by allegations of sexual misconduct, symbolizes a larger unwillingness for public figures to make amends or retreat gracefully after scandal.
• Key Points:
  • Leto’s reputation as “creepy” and the multiple accusations against him create a “stink” that even big-budget projects can’t overcome.
  • There’s a new arrogance: scandals aren’t addressed—accused celebrities simply try to move on, skipping public acts of remorse, and hope the audience forgets.
  • This mindset is likened to Prince Andrew’s situation: the assumption of invulnerability is no longer working.
• Notable Quotes:
  • “Good. I hope it never ever goes away… It’s the Prince Andrew thing. We're repeating the show… it's that arrogance.”
    — Rob Shooter, 35:12
  • “The old ways are broken. The model is smashed to dust. We all see what we see, and we talk to each other about it online. They just skip the middle part and they're like, hey, I'm just gonna go on with my life…”
    — Maureen Callahan, 37:00

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5. Ashton Kutcher, Beauty Privilege, & The Pity Parade of Hollywood

(Starts ~39:43)

• Overview: Maureen rails against Ashton Kutcher’s claim that his “looks” cost him acting roles, arguing—bitingly—that talent and character shortcomings, not beauty, are the real issue. The segment skewers celebrities who feign victimhood over trivial industry gripes while ignoring actual privilege and, in some cases, misplaced public loyalty (e.g., writing letters for convicted friends).
• Notable Quotes:
  • “Ashton, you have lost out on roles because you are a one note actor, a one trick pony. You defended your friend Danny Masterson… Maybe you're just a piece of shit, and you're not talented enough for people to put up with it.”
    — Maureen Callahan, ~42:30

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6. Listener Emails: Ryan Reynolds’ Arson, Military Gossip, and Alec Baldwin’s Traffic Menace

(Starts ~47:00)

• Listeners provide legal trivia about Canadian law (on alleged Ryan Reynolds' arson), insights about handling workplace duplicity in the military, and a parsing of Alec Baldwin’s habitually reckless behavior—each letter reinforcing themes of entitlement and unaccountability in the culture.

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7. Drew Barrymore’s Emmy Triumph and Talk Show Meltdowns

(Begins ~57:52; Major deep dive at 57:52–1:15:00)

• Overview: Drew Barrymore wins three Daytime Emmys, including Outstanding Host, just after making headlines for “inelegant” and boundary-crossing talk show moments.
• Key Points:
  • Maureen and Rob play and break down clips: Drew sniffing her own bare foot on air and offering it to a guest (“Disgusting. It’s disgusting.” —Maureen, 59:44), physically clinging to and kneeling before celebrity guests, and performing awkward, emotional, or inappropriate acts for the cameras.
  • Drew’s “please like me” affect and lack of boundaries reflect unresolved trauma and Hollywood’s child star machine, with references to her troubled childhood, substance history, and ongoing struggles.
  • Discussion includes a viral moment with Meghan Markle (Meghan shuts down Drew’s Diana story with a flat “That’s so sweet. I’ll have to tell H”), and Martha Stewart pushing Drew away after an over-personal question.
  • Larger point: The “authenticity” audiences crave is not what makes certain celebrities thrive but what makes others unwatchable.
• Notable Quotes:
  • “You're sitting on a panel on a daytime talk show and the host rips out her own bare foot... This is why I could never be like an ER doctor or nurse... It's gross to me. It's disgusting.”
    — Maureen Callahan, 59:44
  • “Every single guest like Drew is just petting them and fondling them and touching them and crawling in their lap... It's all like, please like me, please like me, please like me. It's very off-putting.”
    — Maureen Callahan, 1:01:15
  • “Drew’s complete lack of physical boundaries and her complete lack of what's appropriate... makes me think that, you know, we know what a lot of these child stars went through.”
    — Maureen Callahan, 1:15:00

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Memorable One-Liners & Moments

• “Meghan and Harry, he pulled her off. It was very, very uncomfortable. The weirdest moment in New York... Nobody understood why are they getting this award? Like why are they here?”
  — Rob Shooter, 12:28

• “If you see Kate Middleton wear something, she bought it and she bought it for retail. She did not get a VIP HRH discount.”
  — Rob Shooter, 13:40

• “Julia Roberts makes her money from... the fragrance company. So she's making millions and millions of dollars doing that. And I think this is like a hobby now. It’s not a hobby to the movie studio.”
  — Rob Shooter, 26:34

• “I used to rep Jennifer Lopez. And they can't believe that the world has changed... it's absolutely perplexing that Kim Kardashian and these young influencers... it's not them.”
  — Rob Shooter, 27:50

• “You're not really in the entertainment business. You're in the friendship business. People want a friend— the celebrities that get that... Those are the celebrities that are going to survive this massive change.”
  — Rob Shooter, 33:12

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Episode Timeline Overview

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | |-------------|---------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:01 | Episode intro & lineup | | 04:17 | Rob Shooter joins; intro | | 04:54–12:00 | Royal drama: Prince Andrew's ouster; William’s chess move | | 12:21–18:48 | Meghan Markle’s designer freebie hustle, brand pitches | | 18:48–24:02 | Meghan’s pre-royal publicity stunts; anecdotes | | 24:02–34:24 | Nicole Kidman & Keith Urban breakup, Julia Roberts’ flop, industry shift| | 34:24–39:43 | Jared Leto’s downfall, masculinity of movie forgiveness | | 39:43–47:00 | Ashton Kutcher’s ‘looks’ complaint & celebrity beauty privilege | | 47:00–57:52 | Listener emails (Ryan Reynolds, military leadership, Alec Baldwin) | | 57:52–1:15:00| Drew Barrymore’s Emmy, talk show criticism, boundary issues |

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Concluding Thoughts

Maureen and Rob dissect the high and low moments of celebrity and culture with signature acidity, exposing the gap between public image and truth, the end of A-list invulnerability, and the complex appeal (and repulsion) of “authenticity.” Whether eviscerating Drew Barrymore’s oversharing, parsing the Sussexes’ status anxieties, or lamenting Hollywood’s lost glamour, "The Nerve" lives up to its name—skewering those with none.

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[Maureen Callahan]

Hello and welcome to your Tuesday edition of the Nerve. I am your host Maureen Callahan and we have so much to get into today. There was a ton of breaking news over the weekend. First, we are going to explore the latest details on Prince Andrew being effectively kicked out of the royal family. And it looks like one Prince William was the muscle behind that move. And if that's not sending a clear and present message to one Meghan Markle, who seems to be preoccupied with getting some freebies from high end designers and possibly launching a makeup line, Priorities. Okay. We're also going to get into a ton of developments on the celebrity front, including the latest on Keith and Nicole's breakup. What's going on with Julia Roberts. Her latest film is a massive, massive flop. Just a ton of stuff. And then after that, we're going to go into some complaints from new offenders who are going into the woodshed. I'm going to say for at least a week. One may be finding himself with a more permanent residence. We shall see. Then we've got your emails and, and following that, we have our. You know, we were going to do this last week and I'm so glad that we ran. We had so much stuff that we had to get into that we had to punch it to this week. But the timing is perfect because this person just won a ton of Emmy awards and trust me, the Nerve has things to say about that. Okay. We all try to make the healthy choice when it comes to our meals and to snacking. But sometimes you just want the chips. Well, now there's a way to have both. Introducing Vanity Crisps, a healthy alternative to regular chips. What sets them apart? No seed oils. Vandy is made with three simple ingredients. Heirloom tomatoes, sea salt and 100% grass fed beef tallow. That tallow is pepper packed with nutrients for your skin, brain, hormones. And unlike seed oils, which have studies linking them to inflammation and metabolic issues, Vandy Crisps taste great and will leave you feeling satisfied, energized, with no bloating and no sluggishness. Ready to give Vandy a try? Go to vandycrisps.com Maureen and use code MAUREEN for 25% off your first order. That's fandycrisps.com MAUREEN and code Maureen for 25% off your first order. And if you don't feel like ordering online and prefer in person shopping, Vandy is now available nationwide at your local sprouts supermarket. So stop by and grab a bag before they're gone to begin. Joining me for all of this is Rob Shooter. Naughty but nice. Celebrity reporter Rob, welcome to the Nerve.

[Rob Shooter]

Hey, it's great to be back. I've missed you. I love doing this show. My friends listen or watch. The response has been great. So thank you for having me back.

[Maureen Callahan]

We're so happy and congrats on your new book which we will be plugging as you as the pub date approaches. Tell us about your new novel.

[Rob Shooter]

Yes, I sold my first novel and it is now available for pre orders which I didn't really think mattered but I mean, yeah, it does, doesn't it? My publisher is telling me you've got to get people to buy this book now. If you don't, the algorithms messed up and nobody cares and they don't print it. So please, if you got to buy it, buy it now so I could get these.

[Maureen Callahan]

Yeah. Support Rob in his, in his endeavors to bring us the latest. Your book is a novel. I can't wait to talk to you about gossip. What, what, who and what has informed it. I bet a few repeat offenders might be recognizable. But first, Rob, I want to get into the latest developments out of Buckingham palace with you. This was explosive. You know, it's been long reported that Prince William has wanted Andrew out, out and with. We actually looked at that incredibly awkward clip of Prince Andrew attempting to engage Prince William at a recent royal funeral and William looked most displeased. And I think that now, I think that the timing is interesting and we can get into that. But royal expert Hillary Ford, which told Fox News Digital that Andrew, Andrew, excuse me, quote, will never be seen in public again with the senior royals. Prince William has been the force behind all of this and he is right. Prince William is looking far more long term at the viability of reputation and indeed existence of the monarchy.

[Rob Shooter]

Rob yeah, I agree with Hillary there, except we can't trust King Charles. He's a very weak man. He loves his brother. He still has great affection for his mother, Queen Elizabeth, and Andrew was her favorite. So William has been trying to make this move for about a year. He's been really, really forceful about it and his dad just wouldn't budge. He wouldn't go there. And so what has happened recently, what has happen now that has made Charles comfortable with doing this? And when I say comfortable, he's not comfortable. Charles this is the habit of the royal family. I used to work for the British royal family. I was a publicist for Princess Michael of Kent. They don't like to act. They like to bury their head in the sand. They like to carry on. They like to pretend that time heals a lot of wounds. And it actually has in a few instances, but in this case it's not going to. So William has said, I, I've had enough. There's a new book coming out about Jeff Epstein. In a few days it's gonna be Virginia Giuffre, his speaking from the grave.

[Maureen Callahan]

She yes, who died by suicide. Some don't believe it was suicide, but an Epstein victim, the most vocal, who sued Prince Andrew and Andrew paid her millions upon millions.

[Rob Shooter]

Millions. The money I, I reported came from his mommy. Andrew doesn't have this money. So Queen Elizabeth, his mom ponied up the money. And so Charles has fond memories of him. As a child, they were brothers together. However, this brother grew up to be a monster. And now William is really, really putting his foot down. You would think this would be an easy argument to make if my uncle was hanging out with a, with a pedophile. If my uncle was paying millions of dollars to shut somebody up who has since committed suicide, I'd probably be able to convince my family pretty quickly that this isn't somebody we should be seen with in private. You want to do it? That's up to you. My family probably wouldn't do that either. But he couldn't convince his dad. Charles just didn't want to do this. And finally, I think this is a real success for William. It's also an indication about who is now running the family. And it's not the King it truly is.

[Maureen Callahan]

And you know, the timing. You know, William struck finally. The timing aligned with William's desire to expel Andrew. You have the Virginia Gifrey book. And then there was a bombshell report this weekend in the Daily Mail that London's Metropolitan Police have confirmed that they are, quote, actively looking into reports that Prince Andrew asked his protection officer to dig up dirt on accuser Virginia Giuffre and actually obtained her Social Security number.

[Rob Shooter]

Shocking, Just shocking. This is taxpayer security. My mom and dad, the taxpayers in Britain, are paying for this security. And let's be clear, too, the security has been in the public debate for a while because this is what Harry and Meghan want. They want this security back. They want the taxpayer to pay for this. So they're not getting it. But yet disgraced Prince Andrew is. And not only is he getting it, he's weaponizing it. He's using it to go after his alleged victim here. So I think the combination of all this was a delight for William. William needed to push his dad over the edge. I'm told he sat there, he waited for the right moment. He knows his dad a very weak man. A nice man, but a weak man. And when William realized this book and this bombshell was about to drop, he moved. He moved decisively. And now he's out.

[Maureen Callahan]

It's chess. It's the long game that William plays. And now one would think that the gruesome twosome in Montecito might finally get the message that they are next. I think I. When I said that, I think the timing is interesting, it wasn't just due to the revelations that are coming out in the posthumous Giuffre book and this latest bombshell report about Andrew abusing his power to get to try to dig up dirt on Virginia Giuffre. But I think that William, by all reports, and you had this, was livid beyond words at Meghan's stunt in Paris, driving by Diana's death tunnel, and then throwing that up on Instagram with her feet up in a limousine.

[Rob Shooter]

Nobody was more angry about this than Prince William. This is his mother, too. Harry seems to forget that all the time. And Meghan doesn't seem to care less about whose mother it is if it can help her. But when she did that stunt, William exploded. This is a fortune telling moment. You do not need a crystal ball. Megan, if you're listening. Hello, hello, Hello. You're next if you keep this up.

[Maureen Callahan]

Even actually, I think it's over for her. I think that was the final straw. There's no Way coming back, you cannot come back from that. And even I don't think you and I have talked since the event in New York City last week where the two of them showed up to collect yet another meaningless humanitarian award. And Harry could barely look at her on the red carpet. She was doing her best, adoring, gay, saucer eyed, and he could barely even look in her direction.

[Rob Shooter]

I had sources there, I had reporters on the carpet that didn't work for me, but friends of mine who were credentialed to get in and they were very strict about that. They wouldn't let a lot of outlets in. They wouldn't let people like me in. It was really only outlets that are not really media, but a sort of press releases for publicists.

[Maureen Callahan]

Interesting, interesting.

[Rob Shooter]

Very friendly outlets. So they wouldn't have let, let some of the real outlets in, but they let all these fluffy ones in. And they said Harry was miserable from the moment he arrived. He didn't like it. I imagine the flashbulbs triggers him, but he just didn't like it. And instead of quickly getting through that press line with her husband, Meghan took her time. He had to pull her at one point. He didn't want to be there. And so he should have probably, she probably should have done it alone. She might still be doing it now. Meghan does not rush through a press line. She likes to talk to outlets that like her. And so Meghan and Harry, he pulled her off. It was very, very uncomfortable. The weirdest moment in New York. And people even in the room told me they didn't really know what this award was for. Nobody understood why are they getting this award? Like why are they here? They're there to get publicity and they're very good at doing that. But I would argue for themselves, not for the organization. And so I think people are scratching their heads, unsure about why they were here, what this was all about. But Harry really uncomfortable.

[Maureen Callahan]

Look to me, you know, we know what it's all about. It's just another dopamine hit. It's just another hit of publicity. It's just to make ourselves look and feel important. I think Harry's look of disgust had to do exactly with the Diana death tunnel stunt. He was not in Paris, you know, he likes flashbulbs when it's his way. He loves to court the media when it's on his terms. Now as to these reports that Megan has been hitting up designers, high end designers for freebies. Rob, this is your reporting. Please explain.

[Rob Shooter]

Yeah, it's been going on for years. So when she first joined the family, she was still wearing clothes that were given to her by designers. This is part of the celebrity business. Designers are happy to lend certain celebrities their clothes. They often insist they have them back. They don't give you clothes. They lend you those clothes. They're brought back, they're dry clean. So when you see all these dresses at the Oscars, those dresses go back the next day. I've been on award shows with big stars, and at the end of the night, that dress is packed up and sent back. Meghan ordered lots and lots of clothes, was very sloppy sending them back. So she didn't have a good reputation as a celebrity. She sent them back eventually, but it took a lot of phone calls. It did. It wasn't easy, and this should be easy. And so she had a bad reputation amongst designers. Then when she joined the royal family, the family said, we just do not do this. If you see Kate Middleton wear something, she bought it and she bought it for retail. She did not get a VIP HRH discount. She paid for whatever she is wearing. She would never, should never. Meghan enjoys a freebie. I think she likes the power of designers dressing.

[Maureen Callahan]

Do you think she got to keep that messianic cult garb she wore at Balenciaga or do you think that was like, you know, a steam clean and back she goes.

[Rob Shooter]

I think it was. I think that was said back. And that's why we never.

[Maureen Callahan]

Oh, my God, Rob, could you imagine the makeup that got all over that thing? It had this like, you know, wrap, wrap around the chin and we've got tons of foundation. No makeup, makeup.

[Rob Shooter]

Imagine it's another show, maybe a late, late night show. There's certain celebrities that designers will not lend to. There was.

[Maureen Callahan]

Can you spill?

[Rob Shooter]

Can you say there was a lady on the View, a host of the View, who was borrowing clothes and then lost a lot of weight. And I'm not going to paint a more graphic picture than that. But the clothes were returned a little soiled.

[Maureen Callahan]

And that person, would that be whoopy or sunny?

[Rob Shooter]

It was Star Jones. It was Star.

[Maureen Callahan]

Oh, Star.

[Rob Shooter]

It was Star.

[Maureen Callahan]

So Ms. Star Jones, you know, Jennifer Aniston. Star Jones walked so Jennifer Aniston could run. Do you remember when Star Jones had her marriage to Al Reynolds, who we all knew was a gay man?

[Rob Shooter]

Everyone except Starr, but at the time he wasn't gay. It was like when Liza got married to David Guest. And yes, we weren't allowed to.

[Maureen Callahan]

Nobody could say, hey, your. Your fiance's a gay man. And but she got, like, a ton of sponsors. And every day on the View, she'd be like, I have another spons for my wedding.

[Rob Shooter]

Barbara Waters was sitting there cringing. So Megan. Megan likes to borrow clothes. She was told by the royal family she couldn't do that. Now, in her words, not mine, she would argue she was kicked out of this family. They didn't appreciate her. So she can now do what she wants. So she's back to borrowing designer clothes and sending them back. I hope she's a little bit more respectful of the timeline and sends them back rather quickly. But she is now borrowing lots and lots of celebrity clothes again.

[Maureen Callahan]

Would that possibly be why, Rob, This. This is a mystery that has ensorceled me for many years. Why we have seen Meghan wear a wool cashmere blend Max Mara trench coat in spring in Montecito.

[Rob Shooter]

Yes, I think you might.

[Maureen Callahan]

We're getting an off season.

[Rob Shooter]

Little. Okay, I think you've cracked it. I think you've cracked it there. So these two, watch out. As they reported out of Britain today. That when William is coronated. And I hope this isn't a news flash, but it's not gonna be that long. Charles is a very sick man. And so when William is king, he's not gonna have the Sussexes at his coronation. And we've just seen what he's done to his uncle. Those titles are gone. Meghan and Harry still have that Sussex title. Maybe he will make a move against them next. I would say he will.

[Maureen Callahan]

I love the tension that they must be living under. Because, you know, Megan love, like, you know. Did you see her tote bag her. Was it Longchamp or whatever. When she was departing from wherever the hell she was in New York. And it had a. It was monogrammed with an enormous D s. Please do not pay attention to me. I fled for my privacy. But just in case you missed it, I am, yes, the Duchess of Sussex. Rolling my through jfk. Amazing. Amazing.

[Rob Shooter]

You've almost got to admire. That's maybe not the right word, but you've almost got to admire the chutzpah. They just have no shame.

[Maureen Callahan]

They're so tacky.

[Rob Shooter]

It so is. I'm doing this. This book promotion. And I hate having to beg for people to buy my work. I just. It's.

[Maureen Callahan]

I know. It's so rough. I get it completely trying to sell a book. But you gotta do it because you gotta pierce all the noise.

[Rob Shooter]

Gotta do it. And Megan's gonna be my inspiration for this. Megan, if I get a hit book, I Honestly, it's just the balls, the action. There's no shame. She doesn't care.

[Maureen Callahan]

She doesn't care and she has zero self awareness. She doesn't understand how, you know, she doesn't understand what she's up to. But I've got to ask you this one other piece of this Morse, about this morsel before we move on. I read or heard that she went to Hermes, creme de la creme of high end brands like Way Way up there and asked either to borrow clothes or to become something of a paid spokesperson for the $990 sandals that she loves to wear so much. And none other than the CEO said, thank you kindly, but no, it's absolutely right.

[Rob Shooter]

It's totally on brand for Meghan. About 15 years ago, when, before she met Harry, she decided that she wanted to be on as a lifestyle expert. And so she unannounced. Unannounced, turned up at the Wendy Williams show office. Just turned up. She wanted to be really Wendy Williams, lifestyle expert. And so she turned up at the office. She waited in the lobby. She finally got upstairs and she sat down with the producer in a really, really shitty little dirty office.

[Maureen Callahan]

You know, it was magazines everywhere.

[Rob Shooter]

You know, Wendy was.

[Maureen Callahan]

There was.

[Rob Shooter]

It was a mess of an office. But she walked in and she sat down on this dirty little sofa. And for 20 minutes she pitched why she should be the fashion expert for the Wendy Williams show. After 20 minutes, the producer was like, well, it's been lovely to spend time with you. I'm not really quite sure who you are, but we're not going to move forward with this. And then she left a little muffin, she left a little gift, and she was on her way. And then a couple of months later, she gets the gig on the Today Show. So this is the Meghan Markle way she pitches herself. We saw her pitch herself to the head of Disney at the Lion King.

[Maureen Callahan]

On the red carpet. No, she had Harry do it while she pretended to have no idea what he was doing over there. She just. She's chatting it up with Beyonce. The picture of class over here. She would never. What did she do on the Today Show, Rob?

[Rob Shooter]

She was a lifestyle correspondent. And so there's footage of it. The Today show doesn't really like to let this footage out that often, but there was footage of her that still exists doing fashion shows, talking about texture and fabrics. And she would be on there talking about her blog. Was it the Twig?

[Maureen Callahan]

The Tig?

[Rob Shooter]

The Tig. And so she was on there doing lifestyle segments. I'M told it certainly helped that the time Matt Lauer was the host and he had a, he was instrumental in getting Meghan Markle her Today show gig.

[Maureen Callahan]

How interesting that none of that exists really on the Internet. You know, just saying. We still know that she was a suitcase girl on Deal or no Deal, but whoa, you know what? I just, I really think her fall is going to be as precipitous as her rise.

[Rob Shooter]

It's going to be spectacular and there's going to be like, Andrew, there's going to be a moment when just even people that still defend her just cannot do it anymore. There's gonna be. But I thought the Diana tape was the end. Sort of was. But I think there's gonna be more because she's not learning any lessons.

[Maureen Callahan]

Oh, no, no, no. Now when I saw this headline, I thought of you immediately. There are more developments in the Nicole Kidman Keith Urban bus stop. His former, his former bandmate who did a ton of alleged, who allegedly reportedly did a ton of cocaine with Keith, told the National Enquirer about their party days and how they would stay up for days on end and like Keith could basically do like a brick worth and like he's, he's like the Keith Richards of country, you know. Tell us what you have heard.

[Rob Shooter]

Well, first of all, that National Enquirer is on to something here and only they would be able to get a bad member. Keith is sloppy. He's talked about this. We're not going to get in trouble by it by saying that Keith has been honest about his sobriety a month into his marriage, a month, he went to the Betty Ford clinic. A month. So you know, he was sloppy on his wedding night. He's been sloppy. He's never not been sloppy until hopefully he has sobriety, which he claims he does now. But I think it's, he's a messy, messy guy. There's drugs involved, there's sex involved, there's booze involved, there's an Oscar award winning actress involved. My question is how did she tolerate. She knew it. It wasn't a surprise. She knew a month in. How do you stay together for 19 years? I'm told that the difference is not the drugs, not the booze, but the women. That's what ended it. She could tolerate the drugs, she could tolerate the booze, she could even tolerate him going to rehab. What she couldn't tolerate is there being another woman in this relationship. There's been rumors about him for a really long time. I think that that's ultimately what broke them Up. She said, enough. I don't want to do this anymore. But the headlines are going to keep coming with him because he is a sloppy musician who's been on the road for 20, 30 years. When you're on the road, there's your whole band with you, your crew with you, the riggers with you.

[Maureen Callahan]

There's a lot of these, and there's lots of options. This is an occupational hazard. Nicole knows this.

[Rob Shooter]

She knows that. She knows it. And so this story's gonna keep going on. I saw he did a concert recently where he always picks a lady in the crowd. He likes that interaction. And he picked a lady and he asked her name, and she said nicole slightly. Of all the people in the world. He was sort of awkward about it, but he carried on. What's interesting, too, is the alleged lady, a guitar player in his band has disappeared. We're not quite sure.

[Maureen Callahan]

Oh, Maggie's gone.

[Rob Shooter]

Maggie doesn't appear to be performing with them anymore. But Maggie does have, if you're interested, her own single out. So you ride this wave of publicity, girl.

[Maureen Callahan]

Good luck with that, Maggie. Okay, now I got to ask you about Julia Roberts. Oh, okay. I want to. I'm going to do a longer piece on this because I'm fascinated, but, like, I can't recall a time in recent memory since, since COVID ended that we have seen so many major movie stars with major films released theatrically bomb at the box office. Leo's is. Was one Julia Roberts who did a megaton of publicity for this film after the Hunt by a very. Well, it seems like it's. It's trying to be a tar or something, but it's not as well executed. It's bombed. It initially opened in six theaters as a limited release, which is a strategy expanded to a little bit over 1200 theaters this is past weekend and averaged one $1200 per theater. Rob, what does this tell us about Julia Roberts and. And. And the state of the movie star in America?

[Rob Shooter]

A couple of things. The movie star in America is no longer what it was. And I think that's a good thing, too. Those days of getting $20 million a movie are over. We saw recently the Brad Pitt and George Clooney movie tanked. Jennifer Lopez Kiss of the Spider Woman tanked. And so this is the new norm. The other mistake that I think movie stars are making and Julia is making here is she's forgot that she's a movie star and she wants to be an actress, and she's not. You don't hire Julia Roberts. Because she's a great actress. You hire her because she's Julia Roberts. And the public want to see her being Julia Roberts. And so Pam Anderson's allowed to do this in Showgirls, but she's the only one. Everybody else, you have an image. You have a reputation. You give your audience what they want. And when you stop doing that, when you get too arrogant, then you lose your audience. We've seen this with pop stars. I remember one year when Madonna went on tour and she decided she was not gonna sing the hits. No, no, no. She's just gonna sing her new material. It was a disaster. We want the hits. We want Pretty Woman. We want Julia with the big smile from ear to ear. We don't want broody, grumpy Jul. Get an Academy Award. Another Academy Award. We should point out she does have one from Erin Brockovich. And so I think she started to believe her own hype here, and she thinks she's now all Streep. She's Julia Roberts. Make rom coms, make me laugh. Make Pretty Woman Part 2. That's what she should be doing.

[Maureen Callahan]

Is there a Pretty Woman Part 2 coming out?

[Rob Shooter]

There should be. They didn't ever do it, but there should be. But that's where. That's where she will make her money. Going back in nostalgia. And those movies that we love to see her in, let's be honest, too, now, Julia makes her money from. Is it Lancome? From the. From the fragrance company. So she's making millions and millions of dollars of doing that. And I think this is like a hobby now. It's not a hobby to the movie studio. They hired Julia because they wanted the publicity, the attention of a movie star, and she didn't deliver. And I don't think she delivered acting either. The reviews are pretty weak on it. Hire Julia. Hire Julia Roberts because she's a movie star. Don't hire her because you want a great actress.

[Maureen Callahan]

You know, this is fascinating to me. We're going to get into Jared Leto in one second. But we are seeing what were once considered bulletproof, like guaranteed stars who could deliver, who would. Who would, if not critically, have just about every project, be phenomenally successful, you know, at least. Or rather critically successful, at least be commercially successful. Julia tanked. Leo tanked. Taylor is tanking critically.

[Rob Shooter]

Yeah. The rock. The rock.

[Maureen Callahan]

The rock tanked. Great point. Gone. His Oscar bait film came and went. And he had a ton of press, too. He was the COVID of the New York Times Magazine.

[Rob Shooter]

Yeah. Yeah. It must be shocking to them. I've Worked with a lot of of movie stars, including I used to rep Jennifer Lopez. And they can't believe that the world has changed. And being on social media is so below Julia Roberts. She's trying, I know that's what she, Tom Cruise tries to be on social media but he doesn't really want to do it. And they just are absolutely perplexed that Kim Kardashian and these young influencers and these people that we are talking about is not them. If you look at the covers of the magazines now, it's not them anymore. The time has moved on and they have not and they have enough money that they should just gracefully retire. But playing the old game with the old keys is not going to unlock the new doors.

[Maureen Callahan]

You're so right. You know, the COVID story of the Hollywood Reporter this week goes to how Hollywood has finally embraced the creator in the digital lane. They understand the power and the commerce that influencers and YouTube creators bring, et cetera, et cetera. And it's not the old ways you can't do. You can't execute the old publicity strategies with an A list movie star and expect, you know, Even Brad Pitt's F1, which was an Apple production that it was, they spent the most money on any production. They, they were on the edges of their seat because they didn't know if Brad Pitt, despite all of his stardom and his star power could deliver for them. This is how broken the model is.

[Rob Shooter]

It's broken. And it used to be an easy fix, didn't it? Hire a big movie star. If you've got a script that isn't very good or you've got a story, a movie that's not very good, you hire a big movie star and it'll be not a critical hit but it's going to make its money back. That's no longer true. And I think too streaming has changed everything. I can get such good quality shows now without leaving my house. Why am I going to go all the way uptown to watch a movie with Julia Roberts? I've never really thought was a great actress, but she is a movie star. The world has changed and we've jumped on it. We're doing our podcast, we're on social media now. It's a pain in the bottom to do this stuff. It really is like it's easier just to go on one show and you sell your movie, you gotta sell it. And a lot of these celebrities don't want to do that. They think it's below them. They don't want to give Interviews, they don't want to really talk. And I think that's part of Julia's problem too. I don't know who she is. I don't know anything about her. I don't know her politics. I don't know what she stands for. I don't know what she.

[Maureen Callahan]

We do know her politics, though, because she did that. Kamala Town Hall.

[Rob Shooter]

She did do that. You're right, she did.

[Maureen Callahan]

I think she lost a lot of people the same way Taylor lost a lot of people throwing her hat in the ring. And by the way, to your point about the way publicity works now, when you watch it in mainstream media, the Today shows, the Access Hollywoods, Watch what Happens Live. Julia did a one on one on Watch what Happens Live with Andy Cohen, Andrew Cohen, as we call him here. I don't know if you happen to see it, but among the games he played with Julia was I'm going to give you a line of dialogue from one of your movies and you, Julia, are going to tell me what that movie was from. Can you guess? The movie that you made. And then Julia Roberts, of course, got everyone right, because she's a mega narcissist movie star. Just my opinion. And Andy was like falling all over himself. Like, he seemed a little, you know, Julia, oh, my God, you've gotta bring that pretty woman, right? And you're watching this at home and you're like, these two are effing ridiculous.

[Rob Shooter]

It hurts them, though. It really hurts them. They think having soft questions helps them. It doesn't. I remember when Andy had Sarah Jessica Parker on his show, who's one of his best friends, right after the Kim Cattrall situation exploded. He didn't ask. He asked questions about her shoes, what she likes for dinner, but they didn't ask the one question. And I think that's what Julia has sort of done too. She has created a veneer. She keeps us at bay and she only lets us in when she wants us to spend our money.

[Maureen Callahan]

She's big to be personable in any way.

[Rob Shooter]

Too big a star, and she won't play this game. And now she's trying to a little bit like she's putting a few pictures up on Instagram, but we all know that it's not genuine. I think I just got to it. It's about being authentic. And I don't mind if you're really awful, but you're authentic. I love a villain. I love a good villain. Julia won't be the villain, but she won't be the hero. And none of it adds up to me. And I think that there's so many options now that to go and see a modest actress in a role that she only got because she's famous isn't.

[Maureen Callahan]

Working a movie that seems like a slog and a dirt. Yeah, it's a message.

[Rob Shooter]

Yeah. I want to see a. I'm Dancing with the stars. I want to see Julia do something funny, something wild.

[Maureen Callahan]

Go on the masked singer. Just do something like, you know, like that. So. Oh, by the way, I wanted to ask you, what was this making me think of you just reminded me of something like, oh, do you know who's a master at this? And I think you. I think you put your finger right on it. Because he is authentic, a master at not giving away much of his personal life at all. Not active on social media, but is beloved because he is the real deal. And everybody who's ever dealt with him says he's nice is Keanu Reeves.

[Rob Shooter]

Keanu Reeves. He's on Broadway at the moment and he's getting.

[Maureen Callahan]

The reviews are terrible, terrible. And it's selling out because people love Keanu. Everybody roots for him.

[Rob Shooter]

That's what I used to say to. To people I worked with, whether it be Alicia Keys or Jessica Simpson. I was John Bon Jovi's publicist, and.

[Maureen Callahan]

I was like, you know, at the.

[Rob Shooter]

End of the day, you're not really in the entertainment business. You're in the friendship business. And people want a friend. And the celebrities that get that, the celebrities that get you pay all that money to hear me sing my greatest hits. You want me to sign something? Absolutely, yes, I will. Those are the celebrities that are going to survive this massive change. Julia is going to look like a dinosaur. And with movies, movies don't. Movie producers aren't charities. They do it for one reason, to make a lot of money. And so the next time someone's going to hire Julia, they're going to go to their computer and they're going to look up her box office for her last few movies, and then they're going to see how much money she wants. Her hair and makeup bill, her car bill, her first class or I guess private bills. I'm not paying it. If you can't deliver a massive, massive opening, you're just not worth it. And I can hire somebody straight out of Juilliard who's probably a better actress, and she doesn't come with that complication, and she'll deliver as big a box office as you.

[Maureen Callahan]

Now, before we end on our. Our movie segment, and there's so much we can get to. But I want to talk about Jared Leto, who had a huge flop with Tron. Aries, if I'm saying it correctly, fought this devastating Hollywood Reporter headline. No one asked for this reboot. Tron may mark end of Jared Leto's franchise leading days. The implication, I believe herein, also I didn't get to read the whole piece, is that the accusations by at least nine women of grooming and sexual abuse that Jared Leto undertook with them, beginning when some of them were just teenagers, has a stink on him that will not go away.

[Rob Shooter]

Good.

[Maureen Callahan]

What are your thoughts?

[Rob Shooter]

Good. I hope it never ever goes away. And instead of having grace and retiring with all your millions of dollars, what did you do? You thought you could just carry on like nothing had happened? It's the Prince Andrew thing. We're repeating the show. It's great. We're going to go back to the beginning. It's that arrogance that instead of taking a moment to reflect or maybe you shouldn't be making movies anymore, maybe you should be doing other stuff, maybe you should be doing nothing. But they don't think like that. So for him to go forward with Disney, I believe Disney were the producers of this too. And a multi hundred million dollar movie was just so dumb. And it's shocking to me that nowhere in that process to get a movie from a script to actually being released takes years. And a lot of people, one person, not one person, stood up and said, Jared Leto, of all the people, why don't we get Bill Cosby too? Like, what is the thinking here? It makes no sense to me. There's a stink on him. And the reason there's a stink on him is it feels really authentic. He's an odd guy. He's a weird guy. He's always been a bit of a creepy, creepy character, in my opinion. And now this Hollywood Reporter story. They're on fire. By the way, they just did an expose on Kevin Costner. Like they. I think Maya Rashon is the editor. It's fantastic.

[Maureen Callahan]

Such good work over there.

[Rob Shooter]

I'm reading every word of it and it really, as a friend of mine says, and I love this expression, when they bite you, it leaves teeth marks. Like if they bite you, it leaves teeth. You do too, Maureen, you can leave them.

[Maureen Callahan]

Oh, you're so sweet, Rob. What can I say to that? I just want to add one thing. You know, in the aughts, there used to be this middle part of the arc when a celebrity was caught in some sort of compromising position or drugs or you know, Mel Gibson, you know, sugar tits and, you know, the whole thing. Anti Semitic remarks and then rehabilitation or I'm going back to movie making and all that's behind me. Either rehabilitation or mental health. Check ins, whatever. Like, that was the second. That was the part you just plug and played. Like, oh, whoops, that wasn't me. I didn't say that. I didn't do that. I didn't commit that crime. I'm going to rehab. And then you just like shut yourself away for four. Like, it could be in your house. Who cares? Everybody knew it was a joke, that it was just part of like the PR thing you had to do. And now there's this kind of arrogance, which is wild because as you said, we're in like, the old ways are broken. The model is smashed to dust. We all see what we see and we talk to each other about it online. They just skip the middle part and they're like, hey, I'm just gonna go on with my life, whether it's at Buckingham palace or I'm Jared Leto with my cult, whatever. Yes.

[Rob Shooter]

After Meghan Markle's Diana video, she went to a humanitarian.

[Maureen Callahan]

Yes, don't do that.

[Rob Shooter]

There's no shame to it. But what's going to happen here is that the public. Smart, we're really smart about this. There's so many options now we can decide who we're going to give our money to. You know, Megan's line is a disaster. These movies are a disaster. We don't have to show up. And the minute you get too big and you forget that, and it happens a lot, not just with celebrities, but people in the business world. When you forget, forget. When you forget that truth, then your career's over. And I think that I don't know if there's any coming back for these individuals we've been talking about today. And it's primarily because of them. Lots of crimes, lots of awful behavior is forgiven very quickly in America. As a Brit, I can say one of the joys about Americans is they do forgive. But you've got to say sorry.

[Maureen Callahan]

You gotta mean it. You've gotta. We've got to. Really.

[Rob Shooter]

You are, and these are meant to be actors, Maureen. They should know how to at least pretend that they need you.

[Maureen Callahan]

Right? Maybe that explains the, like, bum reviews for Julia's new joyride.

[Rob Shooter]

It's rough.

[Maureen Callahan]

Thank you, Rob. Thank you so much for dishing with us on a Tuesday. We love having you and we will see you very soon.

[Rob Shooter]

Take care, my friend. It's good to See you.

[Maureen Callahan]

Likewise. Oh, my God. Is Rob not the best? Is Rob not the best? Okay, when we come back, I just want to do a little. I'm just going to do, I'm just going to go in, I'm going to take Ashton Kutcher out to the woodshed. Okay. And then we're going to get to, we're going to talk about others who have issued similar laments over the years. And then we're going to get to your emails and then our freshest Emmy winner, slash offender. Back in a minute. Jones Road Beauty has revolutionized makeup routines for good. Created by makeup legend Bobbi Brown, their products are lightweight, they blend easily, and they give you an effortless look that doesn't look like makeup. The creamy lip pencils are perfectly bold without being overdone, and they last throughout the day. Miracle Balm the hero product is an all in one tint that can be used as a highlighter, blush or bronzer to give your skin that flushed fresh, healthy glow. What sense Jones wrote apart is the simplicity. 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Now, before we get to your emails, I want to talk about Ashton Kutcher, who was at some sort of convention and you know, Ashton should just really be shutting it and thankful that he thus far has not been dragged into the Diddy cesspool because he and Diddy were inseparable for a very long time. So if you want to tell me that Ashton didn't know about any of the stuff Diddy was up to, call me a skeptic, but I find that hard to believe. Now, Ashton got up there and instead of just being grateful, he's still employable and people still give some people anyway a shit about what he has to say. He generated headlines over at people, which, you know, I know people, they're very celebrity friendly, but God, I wish from time to time they would just like, throw a little shiv in Ashton Kutcher. This is the people headline, admits he's missed out on roles because of, quote, the way I look. Now, Ashton Kutcher was a kid from the midwest who started modeling. I think he's one. He's got one of those origin stories. We're supposed to believe he was like on his way to, like genetic molecular biology or some bullshit, you know, but then he. The lore of modeling was such that he had to take it. And then he wound up on that 70s show and dude wears my car, which I will admit I saw in a theater and I really enjoyed. That said, there is a reason here's the bar to get into acting for screen. Unless you are surely slotted into the character actor category. It's looks. Okay. Looks get you in the door. And they are more than happy to work with people who may need some acting lessons. Jennifer Aniston allegedly reportedly is one. And, you know, she was never a great beauty to begin with. She had connections, but nonetheless, it's your looks that get you the job. Okay? It's a looks dependent occupation. I was actually just watching a clip from Taxi Driver, which I saw when I was a teenager, but I. I haven't seen since. And it was a clip with Robert De Niro acting opposite Cybill Shepherd. Now, Cybill shepherd was great in Moonlighting because she had Bruce Willis to play off of and she had great writing, but really she was not a great actress. She was cast by Martin Scorsese because of her looks. Okay, one example. Now, Ashton Kutcher wants us to believe that he has lost out on roles because he is just too handsome. No, Ashton, you have lost out on roles because you are a one note actor, A one trick pony. You defended your friend Danny Masterson, who is now serving, I believe, life for multiple counts of violent, vicious rape. Danny Masterson, his rape victims, at least one of them, there were two that we know of, said that he broke into her bedroom, put a pillow over her head, held a gun to her forehead, and raped her while he was smothering her. And Ashton Kutcher and his wife, Mila Kunis, wrote letters to the judge saying that they loved Danny and they didn't. They would be happy to have Danny babysit their daughter alone. And, you know, again, the Diddy association. So I think all that Stew, plus what Demi Moore had to say about you in her memoir, that you got her off the wagon by saying you thought alcoholism wasn't a real thing and then pressured her into threesomes before church, cheating on her. Like, you know, Ashton, maybe it's that. Maybe you're just a piece of. And you're not talented enough for people to put up with it. It's a theory. It's a working theory of the case. Now, this reminds me of. You know, we've heard this before. Jessica Beal told Allure in May 2009 that her good looks were harming her career. Yeah, she said, quote, it really is a problem. I have to be blunt again, Jessica. You're not that great of an actress. Jennifer Lawrence, again, not that great of an actress. I really. She seems like a nice person, but she also seems like she was propelled by Harvey. You know, her career hasn't been the same since he went to prison. I'm not saying, you know, but it is a timeline. Okay. She has said that while auditioning for her breakthrough, Winter's Bone, she was initially thought by casting directors, quote, too pretty. Listen to me. It's a lot easier for a makeup department to ugly up a beautiful woman. Ask Charlize Theron in Monster. She won the Oscar. Ask Nicole Kidman, the Hours. She won the Oscar. Than to go the reverse. Okay, has anybody made Tori Spelling into a beauty queen? Emmy Rossum, Uncast and Shameless? Quote, they thought I was too glamorous. Now, this really bothers me because there are so many gifted, gifted, gifted actresses who get pushed out of the film adaptations of either plays. You know, Michelle Pfeiffer is one. She starred as a down on her luck waitress in Frankie and Johnny. Opposite, you know, and. And she was. She was. She was considered far too beautiful and far too classy. Like, nobody is buying it. Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman as a hooker. Are you kidding me? Or, sorry, a sex worker. Or in Aaron Brockovich as sort of like this, like, kind of, you know, not glamorous, working class, you know, struggling. No, no. Another. I love Kerry Russell. I am loving the Diplomat. I watch the Diplomat. It is so much fun. Season 3 is on Netflix right now. And she's great in it. She's great in everything. But she was too beautiful for Waitress. She just was Nicole Kidman, Destroyer. Too beautiful. Too elegant. Elizabeth Banks. The better sister to be. I could go on and on and on and on. Okay, so that's that. That is that. I'm sure we'll revisit this at some point, you know. Now, before we get to your email, one other note. Our substack launch on Friday, it has been a huge success and thank you guys so much. We hit number three, a new culture on substack over the weekend and we are totally thankful and humbled and so excited that you guys are into it because we are into it. We had a few little glitches and some of you emailed and DM me directly and said, hey Maureen, like I'm trying to buy a subscription and there's a glitch and I shot it up the up the at Nerve Central and they fixed it immediately so there should be no more problems. And thanks for alerting me because not great. Okay, now. Dear Maureen, I am. Oh this the the the subject header. Let's send Ryan quote bic Flicker Reynolds out in a blaze of glory. I am a dual citizen, Canadian and American and grew up in Vancouver. Here's something you should know about Canadian law. There is no statute of limitations on arson. Remember, Ryan confessed, admitted to setting his elementary school on fire when he was a teenager on arson in the province of British Columbia or the rest of Canada because arson is classified as a serious indictable offense. This means that a person can be charged with arson at any time after the crime has been committed and there is no time limit for prosecution. Have a great weekend. Take care, William, who identifies as a West Hollywood troublemaker. We hope Canada is listening. Okay, this is again regarding Ryan. I have a theory and maybe it's a zero burger. It's not troublemaker. It occurs to me that Ryan Reynolds talks incessantly about being Canadian. I am from Canada, born and raised in Ottawa, and I now live in California. Rest assured, Canadians are very much aware of our reputation. We know that people think that we're friendly, kind and polite. And you're so right because I have met Canadians who hide behind that fig leaf and who later reveal themselves to be really nasty people. Small minded, ugly, nasty people. So you're right. Anyway, back to your email. Perhaps Ryan is weaponizing that, so to speak, to come off as a nice guy and be lumped in with all other Canadians. I think you are right. Dear Maureen, I'll respectfully ask for my name to be withheld if you read this. And so I will. This is a psychiatrist, active military, working with Marines. I recently had two subordinate female colleagues. This is a guy complain to our colonel about me making them evaluate Marines who requested mental health treatment. I have watched my colleagues with their crying and complaining and just focused on reminding leadership of our mission to see Marines for clinical care and that I expected my colleagues to help me meet the mission. Keep in mind, I had a busy clinic. They did not. In the end, I was removed from leadership when my colleagues threatened to resign their officer commissions if they had to report to me anymore. It was a tough experience, but I now see that I set myself up for it in a way by being naive. Both of my colleagues who were new to command, have been telling me for months how everything was fine for them, but their actions and attitude made it seem like they were up to something. Both had lied to me about banal things, and I chalked it up to them not wanting to seem lazy or uncooperative or trying to save faces. But in retrospect, those should have been red flags. The experience reminded me that I have to trust my gut and maintain a healthy skepticism with people. Not just my patients, but also my colleagues and the Meghan Markle's of the world. When words affects and behaviors don't add up, or when someone is obviously lying, even about small things. Especially. Especially about small things. I find your show so validating in how you point out these inconsistencies in the culture, because I do think so many of us are susceptible to the fakery. We are. We all fight against it every day. Even those of us manning the manning nerve Central. Keep up the good work, Team Nerve. One of your many troublemakers in the military, and thank you for your service. Hi, Maureen. Troublemaker Joanie here on the Alec Baldwin video that we played on the most recent nerve after he took to Instagram to say that that most recent car crash he got into in the Hamptons was not his fault. And the video from inside that garbage truck showed that that car crash was in fact Alec Baldwin's fault. Who the thinks it's okay to go around on the right like that, making that right turn and crash into what appears to be private property? It is standard operating procedure to stop behind any service vehicle if there is no open left lane allowing you to go around and slowly. This is such a great point. Worst scenario. What if it had been a school bus instead of a garbage truck? A child being injured or killed getting on or off the bus. Would Baldwin be saying it's the school district's fault they shouldn't have had buses out there? Yeah, he would. He absolutely fucking would. And that's why it's. It's an abomination that Alec Baldwin got off without so much as a traffic ticket. And A summons to appear in court and potentially having his license suspended. This is. He is a public menace. God, what is it going to take? He already killed somebody. He unleashed Olaria onto our screens with Dancing with the Stars. You know, I mean, come on. How many crimes must one commit before one is remanded into custody? Please, someone at the Dick Wolf universe, hear me and make me a judge on any law and order. I am at your disposal. Next up, you're not going to believe who just won three daytime Emmys and one for her personal contribution to the culture. We're going deep. We're going deep, my friends. Okay, first, a quick reminder. Keep your emails coming. Let me know what's working. Let us know what's not. We were only able to fix the sub stack so quickly because of you guys. Email me at Maureen Devil may Care Media or hit me up at Instagram at Maureen Callahan, writer or the Nerve Show. And of course, there's the sub stack. You can subscribe to that. 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[Rob Shooter]

Hold on.

[Maureen Callahan]

Yes. I mean, it smells like a whole lot of nothing. Yeah, that's what you want. There's no scent there whatsoever. And believe me, I have other issues. First of all, we know Drew has other issues. We're going to get into it. You know, you want to talk about Star, you want to talk about. You're sitting on a panel on a daytime talk show and the host rips out her own bare foot, which presumably has been all that day before shooting. Inside a sock, inside a shoe, inside a boot, whatever. And this is why I could never be like an ER doctor or nurse. Not that I even have the ability. Like, I could never do organic chemistry, but like, like the human foot that's like been around all day. Like it's, it's so. That has dirt on it. It's gross to me. It's disgusting. It's disgusting. And she not only whips out her own foot and shoves it up at her nose, but then she shoves her, her, her bare foot in the face of this woman who's. I don't know who she is, but she's been conscripted for the day. And then Ross, you know, her, her pet Ross, like her gay best friend who, like, will do anything for that seat. You know, it's like, where is your dignity? Where is your self respect? Where is your inner Martha Stewart to say, put that shit away. Put that away. Oh my God, it's so disgusting. Now you know Drew Barrymore, when, when her show began, it wasn't a hit off the bat, I don't know if you guys remember, but it launched, it launched during lockdown, I think, you know, and she had to do all of her interviews remotely. But initially it was like an hour long show and it wasn't working and it wasn't clicking. And I believe Jimmy Fallon's wife is her producer on that show and they figured out that they needed to like chop it into 30 minutes. People can only take Drew in small doses because she's a lot. She's a lot. And you know, they, they interspersed it with like Drew's news this, Drew's news bit. And then they brought on Ross to try to sort of, I guess like rein her in and like be somewhat of a foil. And so I guess it's working to whatever extent you want to call it. I mean, I think it's a national embarrassment. So we're going to go through moments on Drew's show within the past, gonna say year, year and a half where like, if I'm the producer, I'm gonna say like, you gotta rain your shit. And honey, first let's watch Drew just literally bend the knee. Just be an utter supplicant to someone who even those who believe. Most people think Dylan Mulvaney is in it for the clicks and the likes. Okay, He's a failed theater kid. But Drew literally got down on her knees in front of this guy. Let's go. I'm so happy to meet you. And now they're, they clasped hands. They had the deep close hug. I really am. This is, it's very personal for me in a world where we're all trying to figure out who we're supposed to be. Oh, drew, you're like 48. Come on. Who we're supposed to be? The bravery. You know, if you don't know who you are at 48, you got bigger problems, sister. Okay, now we're going to talk about, you know, it's all this vague like, it's like this vague self help jargon speak that like you cannot latch on to any of it. None of it means anything. Now we're talking about combating hate. Combating hate. By the way, Dylan Mulvaney's never made so much money nor had so much fame and attention since transitioning. Okay, let's get real. Here we go. I look at someone like you and I can't imagine anybody disliking you. Oh, please, we can. Do you want to know somebody who dislikes me the most sometimes? Who? Myself. Oh, me too. And. And now it's time for the performative hug. I guess, you know, you've asked me now like, you've asked me like what I would do to combat the hate, right? Yeah, but what do you do? Okay, that's a great question. You invited a little longer than I have. Well, you know, it's funny because when I was a kid, you starting with E.T. it was the first time I was introduced to film reviews, which are basically social media. I think that's enough with her. I just, I can't, you know, she, I think she's really stuck in those ET days. I do. I think something got really stuck there. And this deep deed to literally get on the floor and bring her guests down on the floor. And every single guest like Drew is just petting them and fondling them and touching them and crawling in their lap and you know, she's got the, the eyebrows knitted and looking up and it's all like, please like me, please like me, please like me. It's very off putting. A grown woman should have more self possession than this. Next we're going to look at Drew Barrymore. She has George Clooney on her show. George Clooney somehow winds up in this improv moment where Drew is begging him for advice and she goes all the way with it. And she lies on the floor of her studio. This is carpet. And carpet is filthy. It's filthy. You know, you can watch House Hunters and like first time buyers who maybe can afford like the very lower end in the housing market, most of them know enough, they see wall to wall carpeting and they're like, we gotta rip it up. It's fucking filthy. Anyway, Drew gets on the floor and lays down so George can play therapist to her. Drew, tell me about this problem you have with handsome men that are funny. I've come to at 47, realize I have a new motto. If you don't work, we don't work. Oh, 47. Now we're getting our shit together. She's never getting her shit together. Okay, now this all reminded me of this lengthy, lengthy LA Times Magazine profile. I printed it out and it's like 85 pages. But I read it when it came out and it was dated. It was by Amy Kaufman. It ran in 2023 originally. So that's only two years ago. And you know, Drew has had a lifelong struggle with substances. And of course she has. Her mother was taking her to Studio 54 when she was like 8 years old. And that rewires a child's brain. Like she will struggle with this forever. Of course she will. You know, one of the most heartbreaking paparazzi photos ever was little Drew Barrymore, I believe, at age 8, surrounded by smashed cigarettes and half drunk cocktails at like a table at like some Hollywood party and her little head is in her hands like this. I mean, it's wild, but you know, you do grow up and you do have to take responsibility, especially when you have a show that employs hundreds and hundreds of people who are relying on you. And in this piece, her therapist said. And Drew admitted it. Drew. Drew actually. Actually offered this up, that her psychoanalyst, his name was Barry Michaels, if I'm saying it right, a renowned celebrity psychoanalyst endorsed by Gwyneth Paltrow and Adam McKay, quit on her. He, quote, barrymore, he just said, I can't do this anymore. It was really about my drinking. And Barry Michaels himself issued a statement to the LA Times days after this piece read. And he said, yeah, that was right. Reading from this piece, she said that she had. There was an intervention. Several of her friends, including Cameron Diaz, talked about it to the LA Times in 2019, I believe it was 2019. And she decided she had to get her stuff together because she got a shot at this talk show. And so I'm reading from the piece. Drew doesn't call herself sober. She doesn't work a program like Alcoholics Anonymous, which is fine. That's not for everybody. She makes the delineation because she doesn't want people to think she's, quote, some perfect puritan. I keep. I kept thinking, I'll master this. I'll. I'll fit. I'll figure it out. Drew says, and finally, I just realized you've never mastered this and you never will. So, you know, Drew has a lot of. I think we'll watch her with Kamala Harris again, no matter your politics. I mean, she's ready to crawl into this woman's womb, okay? This woman who's like, hey, I'm over here running for president. Can we talk about something else? But here we go. I've been thinking that we really all need a tremendous hug in the world right now, but in our country, we need you to be mamala of the country. Oh, my God. So, you know, that's Drew's mother wound. And she really needs to take that inside a therapist's office and not inject it into a highly consequential presidential election. Now, again, we're Talk show host of the year. Drew, this is one of my favorites in recent memory. This was just this year when Meghan Markle was launching her With Love, Megan, Season 1, Part A. Now, I found this actually very endearing. Drew brought out a black and white photo of herself as a small child. This was at. It looked like the London premiere of ET and she is handing, like, a little ET Stuffy to a very young Princess Diana. And it's very sweet and Watch Meghan Markle. Just watch her reaction to this. Oh, that's beautiful. Nice to meet you, Meg. Oh, my gosh. Look at you. Oh, that's so sweet. That is so special. You have it here. I. I was lucky enough to. That's really special. It means so much to me to have met such an incredible human being that transcended everything. It was an. It was the honor of my life. Everything. You won't be Megan. I will tell H that for sure. And, yeah, she. Okay, cool. Okay. That was a really telling clip because, you know, Megan goes. Megan starts moving away, you know, because basically, Diana was everything she wants to be and never will be. And Drew had a personal exchange with Diana that Megan will never have, obviously. And, you know, short of, like, driving by her death tunnel and posting that on Instagram, but, you know, she starts moving away, and she goes, oh, that's so sweet. I'll have to tell H. And, you know, you can tell Drew is, like, really stung by that. And she goes, like, okay. And, like, she kind of makes her, like, grossy Josie face from Never Been Kissed. Like, suddenly, Drew's like a nerd in high school, and the popular girl has just frozen her out and mocked her. And she's in Drew's house. That's her. Her studio. That's her house. And again, you know, I just wish. You know, I think Drew is. I just wish she had a little bit more teeth and could say, hey, lady, my show. What do you mean you're gonna tell your husband? Why isn't he watching this show? I thought he was your biggest fan. Give it back to her, Drew. Okay, now. Infamously. Infamously. And this, I think, is a really, really key. This is our last Drew clip. I think this is the damage that Drew suffered in Hollywood as a child and a tweenager, because Martha Stewart on her show, on Drew's show in 2024. Drew's touchy feely. She's pawn away. She's moving into the personal space. She's ignoring the personal space again. Talk show host of the year. Watch Martha here. What makes you soft and gooey, though? What makes me soft and gooey?

[Rob Shooter]

Soft and gooey.

[Maureen Callahan]

She's Martha Stewart. She did hard times treatment. Soft and gooey treatment when you're treated like a lady. Nice. It's nice. Someone. Someone comes in and you're the wrong gender. I know.

[Rob Shooter]

I know.

[Maureen Callahan]

Martha pushes her away, out of frame. As deserved. As deserved. I say give Martha Stewart a presidential medal of freedom for that. But that reminded me, you know, Drew's complete lack of physical boundaries and her complete lack of what's appropriate, you know, in terms of touching people you don't really know who aren't close friends or family members, and not reading cues like, stay away. Back off. It makes me think that, you know, we know. We know what a lot of these. These child stars went through. And this reminded me once again, the only thing when we were putting this together that I could think of was this clip that we just showed you guys, and all of you were rightfully horrified. And we're like, how come I haven't seen this before? Dakota Johnson, the one we showed you when Mark Bowden went through this with me on the Nerf, speaking to how these people were likely groomed as kids. Let's look at it. I'm gonna take her whole being with me from this experience, fondling this girl's ears, will you marry me? And grabbing her by her hoop earrings. Just also the coolest, nicest person ever. So that was really nice to work with someone like that. It's hard to find people who are super talented and incredible. And pushes her hand away. It's so insidious, and it's everywhere. And, Drew, you may have just won the Emmy award for daytime host, but stop. That does it. That does it. For our Tuesday edition of the Nerve, we will be back here tomorrow for the Nerve at Night, our third edition. And we've got. Oh, my God. We have a great deep dive on a couple of both a listers. Both a listers and both. We pulled out some of their bangers of, like, unself awareness. And then we're going to just go to town. It's going to be so, so fun. And of course, more of your feedback, including, again, that personal intel piece of great gossip about Jennifer Aniston in the wake of her fully sponsored reveal of what's in my bag. I'm just being adorable over here. I'm just chilling some smart water as one does. I mean, aren't I adorable? I'm like 56, but I'm adorable, right? In the meantime, in the meantime, you can head over to our substack atthe nerve show.com we have. Our second email is going out this Friday. Be sure to subscribe if you haven't already. Grab your merch of [e-mail] and we'll see you back here tomorrow. Nerve at night and then Friday at another full Nerve, where you'll never guess what we're about to say next.

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