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The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
Prince Harry's Snub, Blake Lively & Ryan Reynolds' Publicity Scheme, & Gwyneth Paltrow Under Fire
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Maureen Callahan is joined by royal insider and celebrity reporter Rob Shuter to break down the latest celebrity gossip, including Prince Harry showing up at the NBA finals while skipping Trooping the Colour, reports that Meghan Markle was unhappy with Harry's arena seating, and the growing challenges facing her "As Ever" brand. They also discuss Gwyneth Paltrow's controversial Israeli luxury condo ad, her recent political remarks, and why critics say she is out of touch. Plus, a full dish on Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively attempting to make headlines on Taylor Swift's wedding day, the RHONJ drama involving Teresa Giudice's daughter getting arrested, NBC's tabloid makeover at "Today," and Andy Cohen's hurt feelings. Rob Shuter: https://robshuter.substack.com/ VanMan: Go to http://vanman.shop/maureen and use code MAUREEN for 15% off your first order MUD/WTR: Our listeners get an exclusive deal up to 43% off your entire order when you use code NERVE at https://mudwtr.com/NERVE Q...
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Good to see you, my friend. Let's jump in. There's too much gossip that we need to talk about.
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Okay. Prince Harry alights at the at Game 5, Knicks versus Spurs. And he's shoved all the way back into the eighth row looking disconsolate, standing next to maybe a decorated military veteran. But it's nobody famous. It's not Shyamalama, Ding Dong and Kylie Jenner. So what are we doing here? And you've got reports that Meghan, who was not with him, by the way, very, very telling. Meghan was not with him. She loves a spectacle. She loves to be the center of attention. This game, the world's eyes are on this game. She wasn't there, first of all. Do we know why?
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We don't know why? We don't have a reason that she's there. Although she doesn't really enjoy these moments. She enjoys the world of fashion. She enjoys the world of the Met. Galas. Sporting events have never been her thing, so maybe that's it. And also too just, she probably didn't want to travel. So had it been in New York or somewhere where Meghan would consider glamorous, probably more chance of her being there. But we don't. We don't have the exact reason right now. We will.
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So, Rob, you mean that hostage video that they took of Meghan cheering going, the Dodgers won. Yay.
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Yay.
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Yay. And Harry sitting in his Barca lounger going, like, what's happening? Don't come at me like that. She's not really a sports fan.
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You know what I'm saying? She's not really a sportsman. Not really.
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Okay, so your exclusive reporting, which I died for. Meghan Markle fuming over Prince Harry's NBA seating snub. Prince Harry, you write, may have enjoyed the NBA Finals. Debatable. Insiders say that Meghan Markle was paying attention to something far more important to her than the score. Where was he sitting? While Hollywood heavyweights Timothy Shamalama, Ding Dong and Ben Stiller enjoyed coveted courtside seats, Harry was seated eight rows back. Quote, Megan notices everything when it comes to image. A source tells naughty but nice to her seating is status. She is not wrong. It's not just about watching a game. It's about who sees you watching the game. Talk to us, Rob.
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Delicious, isn't it? First of all, every story I think I post, I think, what would Maureen think of this story? And if I get a thumbs up, then I post it. So I love that you like this story. I literally was thinking about you as I hit post. It's a really interesting story here. It gets to the dynamic of not only their relationship, but celebrities. As you know, I've worked with a ton of celebrities before. I was a columnist, I was a publicist, and it was always the B listers, it was always the Real Housewife, it was always the reality stars that cared the most about where they were sitting. The big stars, the big A list stars are sort of more chilled about it. He's been a prince from the day he was born. So he is actually sort of kind of more relaxed about this than she is. To her, this is everything and the brand is everything. And the Sussex brand is something that she thinks about 24 7. Him, not so much more entitled, hasn't ever really had to worry, has never really had to hustle. Everything has been given to him. And so. So where they sit, where they eat, where they live, what they wear, what events they're invited to, it means a lot more to Meghan than it does Harry. She was upset. She thought this would be a wonderful moment of Harry really participating in Americana. We know he's not going to be at the World cup because of his big falling out with David Beckham. So this was his moment to get on camera, to be there, to show everybody now that he is an American. He's not yet, we should point out, he has not filled out all his citizen forms if he wants to. Wants to become an American like I have. And so she was really upset about this. This is Meghan. It's more telling about Meghan than him. And it's a. It's really telling about celebrity. And she feels. She feels it dripping away. Maureen. It's not.
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And she's not wrong. She's not wrong. You're. You. You. You noted this in your. In your. In your piece about this. You know that Meghan knows if. If William and Kate had decided they wanted to attend, they would be courtside. Absolutely. You know, he also made a point of appearing at this crucial game, and he posted an online video about Invictus. It was aimed at, I guess, the German cohort or, you know, part of that. While trooping the color the week. This is a huge victory lap for the royals, you know, trooping the color, William and Catherine appearing with their children. The future of the monarchy looks very bright. Prince Harry is not He. He will never be invited back to that, ever, ever, ever. And so what does he do? He thinks that going to Game 5 of the NBA Finals is a flex. Does he understand the story that he's kind of telling here? Because the story of this NBA Finals was a classic underdog story, right? The New York Knicks, who hadn't won A championship in 53 years, battling back from EPIC. They're down, like 30 points. They battle back in the last minutes of a fourth quarter. Is Harry supposed to be the underdog here? Is he supposed to be the victorious underdog here?
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The answer is yes. In his mind, in Megan's mind, it's the. The two of them versus the world. They see a lot of similarities in their story, and then it's. Which is. Is ridiculous.
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But.
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But that's how they would see it. It is true, their timing as well.
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If you.
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If you plot out all the big royal events on the calendar throughout the year, there's Many of them. Tripping of the color is one of the biggest. If people don't know what that is, it's actually the celebration for the king or the queens, the monarch's birthday. And this goes back to the 1800s, when weather was a big deal. Getting to London was a big deal. So we know the king's birthday is not until the end of the year. However, they always do this for every monarch in June because weather in Britain can be a little bit dodgy. And so they. They wanted to have it in a. In a. In a month, a day when, when the weather was potentially nice. And so a big deal on the calendar. But I went through the calendar over the last year and I mapped together all the big events. And guess who popped up on pretty much every weekend that there was a big royal event? Harry and Meghan. There was an announcement, there was a post on social media. There was something that they attended. And so we were fools. Maybe I was a fool to think the trooping of the color, it would go without a response from the Markles, from the Sussexes. I was wrong. Harry turned up at this game. It really annoys real fans too, because a lot of people. I know people who were there who would have given their back teeth for a ticket. A ticket on the eighth row. Forget the front. The eighth row, it's extraordinary. And for him to turn up and he doesn't really care about it, and now she's bitching and moaning about where he was sitting. It's just so disrespectful to the real fans, to the people that find this so, so important. Taylor Swift being there was bad enough. Harry. It's just clueless. It makes no sense.
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It's so true, Rob. You know, Taylor Swift was making such a spectacle of herself at game four in New York, and it was just insufferable. It was intolerable. It was like how much. There is no amount of attention that is enough for this woman. None.
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Okay, we'll get to her. We'll get to her.
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We'll get to her later. But I wanted to talk to you about this exclusive at the Daily Mail. Plus, my colleague Allison Boshoff has a great story. Now they are calling this Jamageddon. Marlena and I would like to improve upon this pun, if we may. Humbly. I think it's more. I think it sounds better if it's Jarmageddon. Jar Mageddon. Alison writes, oh, my God, this is so good. I can reveal that all of Megan's jams teas and tins of flower sprinkles are set to go pretty simultaneously out of date at the end of next summer. Okay. Which means they will expire. You cannot. You will not be able to eat them. Okay. They will be bad for you. They will make you sick. It's so on brand. Astonishingly, this Jarmageddon could see Meghan's lifestyle brand, as ever, face losses of more than $5 million on the jams alone. And it's been further revealed, and we're going to talk about Gwyneth in a minute, that Meghan had hired Gwyneth Paltrow's brand guru, a guy, I believe this is a man named Devin Pedswater. Yes. He was hired on a small consultancy fee, no doubt. They're so cheap. They're. They're in debt. They're cheap. It's. It's chicken or the egg. He was hired on a small consultancy fee last summer. She has talked about wanting to emulate the, quote, elevation of Gwyneth Scoop, but at a price point which she could have afforded herself when she was a teenager with a Saturday job at a yogurt store. Details. They land with a thud. What do you know, Rob, about the future of. As ever, as I like to call it, a sever.
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First of all, shout out to Alison, one of my favorite reporters. When I grow up, I want to be her. We text each other, and every time I see her name, my face lights up. She. She knows the scoop. She really, really knows the scoop. But this. This story is amazing, and it shows you the ego involved in Meghan Markle. When you are dealing in a product that goes out of date, whether or not you own a restaurant or you're selling food items or even cosmetic items, you order the right amount of product that you think you will sell during. Megan went into this thinking she was Gwyneth Paltrow. She thought she was Estee Lauder. She thought she was a massive, massive organization. And so she way overestimated the demand for her product. Now, as I reported exclusively about six months ago, she paid for this. She had to pay for the products. The products are cheaper if you order more of them, but the actual end price is obviously more so cheaper per product, but the end price is massive. So they had to buy all this jam. They had to pay for this jam to be manufactured, and. And they thought they were going to sell it. And if they sold it, this would be a real success story. Gosh, they. They made a ton of jam. They sold a ton. And now they're Going to make another batch. That hasn't happened. Anybody that starts a business, I've started small businesses. The nerves are small business. It's growing pretty fast. But when you start a small business, you have to be realistic with your budgets, because if you overestimate what you think the demand is going to be, you put out a ton of expenses that you don't need to put out. This is a perfect example of two people, probably more Meghan than Harry, who overestimated their celebrity, overestimated their demand, and underestimated expertise. Hire great people and listen to them. Any person who has ever started a small business could have told Megan, start slow, step by step. Don't think you're going to jump into this and be one of the disruptors in the industry. You will be at some point. You hope to be. You may be. But she just jumped in, not knowing anything. And once again, in true Megan fashion, not listening to anybody. Don't hire people and not listen to them. Hire them, listen to them. And now she's gonna have a ton of jam, a ton of sticky products that she's gonna have to flush down the toilet. People cannot eat this product. They'll give it away, I guess, over the next few months just to get rid of it. But they've got a garage full of jam in Montecito that nobody wants. It's going to start smelling pretty soon.
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It's it. I wonder where she's storing it, because Netflix sent all of that back to her. They were storing it for her. She's got to have this stuff in a refrigerant. Well, I don't know. Jam is like. It's perishable once you open it, I suppose. But my. But. But my point is the thing that Megan does not. She not only underestimates, but she refuses to accept is just how universally she is disliked. And this isn't just passive dislike. This is like global antipathy where we fucking hate her. And she made herself the face of her brand with her stupid Netflix show and her podcasts and her as ever, thinking that everybody would want to live as she tells us she does, and that she is the epitome of an elevated kind of elegance that is specific to her. And if only we could have a little bit of her stardust, we can't have it. But if we buy her jam, maybe we get closer to it. It's the thing that Gwyneth can kind of gets. But like, Gwyneth Scoop has never been profitable.
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Right.
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Why does she want to be like a business that's never been profitable.
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Right. I was at a dinner party and I sat next to Martha Stewart, and Martha said something so interesting. She said, my towels have to be able to sell even when my name is not on them. She said, the Martha Stewart name will sell you a towel, but if it's not a very good towel, you're not going to buy another. And I thought, what a brilliant thing for Martha Stewart. For anybody to understand the product has to stand by itself. Martha makes great towels. Martha makes great, great products. And her name makes them even better. But even when her name's not on them, when she went to jail and the business. I knew somebody who worked for Martha, and they said they were definitely going to take a hit. However, the products were still great. That's what Meghan didn't invest in. She thought she was so great that she didn't have to make great products. What would have been ideal is for her to be great and the products to be great. And then she would have ended up with a Martha Stewart. But she's not great. The products are not great. Why would anybody spend a dollar on this? There's nothing great about this.
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Agreed. Like, if she had come up with a kind of jam that had a completely original, unique flavor profile, this is what. This is the conversation you and I would be having. Rob, you know what? I fucking hate Meghan Markle, but that jam is so good. I did buy it. I won't tell anybody but you, right?
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I'm still listening to Michael Jackson that. Don't tell anybody. It's got to be great.
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You're so right. That's the lesson, Megan. That's the. Michael Jackson is the lesson. Michael Jackson is one of those rare. You know, he may have been a pedophile, but we are going to separate the art from the artist. Because Thriller is a fogging masterpiece.
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That's what she needed. That's what she did.
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You're a genius, Rob. Okay, let's get to Gwyneth. Gwyneth, whose name has been repurposed. The portmanteau is now Gwynneside. This I believe. You know, Gwyneth loves controversy, but I don't know if she is going to bounce back from this as quickly as she thinks, if she really will at all. First, we're going to take a look at this ad that she has done for a luxury condominium development in Israel. Okay, so this is. We're just looking at the. It's. It's basically, it's. It's luxury porn and it's Got terrible dialogue like, I don't know who wrote this shit, but I'm surprised she even said it. She must have gotten such a fucking hefty paycheck for this. It's like my coffee needs coffee. Who decided morning should be so early? You know, I spat it out and then she went on this podcast. Well, it was her Goop podcast, actually. It was. She was hosting it. Goop podcast she had on Trey Stevens. And for those of you who don't know and why would you. He's not a household name. He's based. He basically works in AI and defense. So I basically consider him. He's an arms dealer. He's like an arms dealer. So we're hosting Arms Dealers on our Life, our lifestyle show. And here's Gwyneth wading into political waters. Here we go. I'm pretty centrist and my husband thinks I'm a Republican, but I think it's. Which I'm not a Republican. I mean, I don't feel anything right now, to be totally honest with you. What do you make of this, Rob? What is she up to here?
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Couple of things. Gwyneth is notorious for doing whatever you pay her to do. If you need a celebrity and you've got a ton of cash, if you throw it at Gwyneth, she will represent your brand. She'll turn up at the party. So somebody with her credentials in the Academy Award winning actress, it's quite hard to buy them for not as much as what you think. And so Gwyneth has long had a reputation that she wants the cash. I sort of respect her for that. She also too, and you said this in your intro, she likes controversy. But controversy about conscious and coupling, controversy about the quality of your towels or your bed sheets, that's fun. Controversy.
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That smells like her, like a vagina, that's fun.
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Controversy. It's silly. It's celebrity, it's gossip. Once you cross over into politics, it gets very tricky. Now I hit the phones. I asked a couple of my Gwynnetta sources what is going on here. And they said that Gwyneth has convinced herself primarily because of Donald Trump's election, but also too because of Spencer Pratt in L. A that celebrity and politics are now very much intertwined. And there's some truth to that. I think that Spencer Pratt, this reality star that ran for mayor, he has not had this attention in 10, 15 years. He loves being center of attention. And so I think Gwyneth has figured out that the next frontier is not candles that smell like vaginas. It's not, it's not shocking us by relationships, it's jumping into politics. It's very dangerous, though, because this is something that I think you and me really tread very carefully. And to our credit, we have people that listen to this show who are liberal, who are conservative, who are.
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I love it.
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I love it. Maureen and I think that Gwyneth is trying to do what we're doing without the expertise in doing it and she's going to get bit. What was fascinating to me is that this was all, to use a phrase of Gwyneth's conscious. This was her podcast. After you tape a podcast, after we tape this episode, we decide what we want to edit. We don't edit very much at all, but we decide when to post it. So the amount of decisions that went into that process of you and me seeing it is not one. A lot of times I make a bad decision. Sometimes I make two, I don't make three. And so step by step by step, there was nobody that said to Gwyneth, be careful. You can jump into this. Gwyneth, you have every right to talk about politics if that's what you want to do. However, it is going to open up a floodgate. It is going to open up a conversation that she's just not equipped to have yet. Maybe she will be, but at the moment I would be very worried if I was Gwyneth because this is a very different publicity stunt, this is a very different attention seeking stunts than what she's done in the past.
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The thing about the ad for the, for the luxury condo in Israel, I think this goes beyond what side of this you're on, right. Whether you're pro, pro Israel, pro Palestinian, whatever it is, there is a heartlessness there. There is a deliberate. Like this takes her tone deafness to another level.
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Yeah.
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It is a war zone next door. There are refugees in camps without. There is no sanitation, there are no toilets. These people are starving, they are being bombarded. And she. And by the way, that ad was shot in New York City, not even fucking shot in Israel. It's running through Central park in that. So it just underscores this sort of fraudulence, you know, and it's one thing to be elitist and say things like, you know, I would rather smoke crack then eat cheese that's in a can, you know, whatever. And it's another to, to do it on this level. And you said something very smart that I have also heard and it's well sourced. I think this would surprise people about Gwyneth Paltrow, who is married, who comes from money, who was married to Chris Martin, who has Coldplay money, who is now married to a very successful film television producer, Brad Falchuk. It's never enough for her. She can never get enough money. She is as greedy and mercenary more than you would think.
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Yeah, yeah. It feels like a grifter, doesn't it? That's what this feels like. It's grifting and it's tone death. And as you said, Greta doesn't have as much money as you think. She has not made a big movie in a very, very long time. She never got those 20 million dollar Julia Roberts paychecks and goon. Her business has never made a profit. She's, she's out there talking about it. We talk about goop as if it is a household brand and it's not, it's, it's never ever made a profit. So Gwyneth wants the money and she'll do whatever she has to get it. And in this case, I think it's going to really backfire. It has backfired. People look at this and it's, it's tone deaf. Whatever your position is on this, we're not making money from it. You and me might have an opinion about it, but I'm not making money from that opinion. She now is.
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You know what I think is also so bad for her in the long term. In the short term, I don't, I don't necessarily think she thought this through. It exposes her really as someone who has no core principles. You know, she took like over a million dollars to show up at that film festival in Saudi Arabia in 2023.
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She did. She did.
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She did.
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She did. If Gal Gadot was doing this, it makes sense. She's made her views very clear. About, about Israelis.
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She's an Israeli. She served.
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She's made.
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She's made of it. Yes.
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Susan Sarandon has made her op very clear.
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And Gwyneth, by the way, is part Jewish. Her father was Jewish. Yeah, but she's never said a word about this conflict. Right, but, but this is where, this is the Hill. She chooses to show up on a luxury condo development. Get the out.
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Right, right.
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Okay.
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It's a, it's a really serious topic. And this is frivolous. Not us, what she's doing, it's frivolous. And if you want to jump into this, Gwyneth, jump in. You've got every right to have an opinion. But don't jump in while you're making money selling real estate
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Well, I learned about this sitting next to you on the Nerve on our Met show, our special Met show. And you and me, our faces were on the floor when she turned up on that red carpet, when she turned up on the steps of the Met and it told me something. I said, what's going on? And the minute I left your show, I started to text people around Blake and they said, this is the strategy moving forward. They don't want to talk. They won't sit down and do a big interview with Oprah Winfrey. What they're going to use is their extreme good looks. The two of them are gorgeous and they're going to tip off photographers. I think he's a cutie. I know. I know when you look at him through the eyes of reality, but if I close my eyes for a minute, he's still. I mean, he's a cutie.
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You don't look, knowing what we know now, you don't look at those beady, dead rodent like eyes that are a little too close set and see some very dark. Or do you like a bad boy?
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B
I. I'm still listening to Michael Jackson, Maureen, Say no more. I'm still listening to Michael Jackson. My source is really close to them, really, really close to them that they're not going to this wedding and they're not going to look like they're hiding that day. They're not going to do that. We're going to see them stage something. It's probably going to be in a park. It might be with children. It might be in a soup kitchen. They're going to rub it in. And you know what? Despite what we think, for them, I love a petty story. I love a petty celebrity. It makes me chuckle. I think that this day of the wedding, they're gonna pop up at the UN or at some charity event or some scoop kitchen with a puppy and probably a blind nun. It's gonna be fun. Definitely gonna be Gaza. It's gonna be fabulous.
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A
You know what I love about this, Rob? I can enjoy this as well as infuriating as I find these two because they have not gotten the memo yet. The reason the Nerve exists and the way that the culture is changing. Hey, you assholes. We all know those are staged photos. We all know that the more maniacally happy you look, the more panicked and upset you actually are. So maybe just stay home and we won't even think about that. Do you know what I'm saying?
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B
It's the reason the Nerve exists. Just a few weeks ago, they were walking through the West Village and a photographer just happened to be there and caught her pinching his bottom because they're just so in love. And then they went to get ice cream. They're just so in love. They're just so in love.
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Did you catch the also totally spontaneous, not at all significant moment when Blake just jauntily jumped on Ryan's back and he gave her a piggyback ride. He's like, laboring under her. He's like, down. He's like, oh, my God. Smile for the camera.
- [33:40]
B
Wait until this wedding day. Wait until this wedding day. I can't wait.
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A
Ryan might set something on fire. Okay, this great, great item in the National Enquirer, which I read religiously because you have a column there too. I don't know when you sleep. Andy Cohen wants to be in with all the real deal. I mean, it's dying anyway. Why does he care? But when Stephen Colbert was leaving and all the late night guys got together for that podcast and Stephen Colbert talked about how he wanted to fuck Scarlett Johann and all that, and he's like, why aren't I invited to this round table of wits? What? I have. I have a late night talk show. Why aren't I included? And they're like, we don't want you. What is.
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B
They don't like him. They just don't like him. When Jimmy. When Jimmy Kibble came back after exiting for. For a few days. I don't think it's a week. I said, just a few days. He thanked all his fellow late night co hosts and he forgot to mention Andy. He didn't forget. He didn't mention Andy. And then the next day, he apologized. So this is not the first time this has happened. Andy desperately, desperately wants to be part of this club. Vanity Fair. Graydon Carter did a piece on all the late night hosts many years ago, and it was. They didn't include Andy.
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A
They just.
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B
I think it's because that show, they look down their nose at. They think it's a silly reality show. And, you know, Andy can be annoying. There's no doubt about that. But he's one. He's one of them. That somebody elite. Do you know who else they don't include? Greg on Fox News. He's a late night show host and he gets more ratings than all of them combined. And so Andy here, I think, yeah, it's just that. It's that click. It's that thing that happened at school when you were either in the cool crowd or you weren't. Andy's just not part of that group. And the more he tries to be accepted, the meaner they are. They are mean girls, Andy. I'm not. I don't have to defend Andy Cohen, but I'm gonna hear you're better off without them and you are better off with that. Do your own thing. Do your own thing.
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A
By the way, do you have any theories? I wanted to ask you about this. You know, Andy made a big deal about going public with this age appropriate man. I think he's 42, who Andy says he's been seeing for like the past year. And he said something akin to, like, I think this is right. I'm t. I was taking it slow and smart. Now, many of us in the New York media world have heard tell of sex parties at Andrew Cohen's house. Okay, I'm not allegedly. Reportedly nothing wrong with it, consenting adults and all. But I wonder if Andy trying to now portray himself as a serious adult in a committed monogamous relationship. Is Andy trying to get ahead of something?
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B
There's a lawsuit coming up in just a few weeks. Liam McSwaney, one of the Real Housewives of New York, sued Bravo. And she's got the receipts, she's got the email. She was on Bravo when Andy was at his sloppiest, when we'd see him out drunk or. Or looking. Appearing to. To be drunk, maybe even something else. We've all bumped into Andy at the Boom Boom Room where he was there five nights a week. Like, we've all seen him out. Like it's not. It's not like he's Mary Poppins. We know who Auntie is.
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A
Those kids never see him. Those children never see him. His kids and all his kids are going to need a lifetime of therapy. We're on the COVID of People magazine. Have we met? Have we met?
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B
They help the head of the baby that you had it back after the shoot. And so they, oh, let me tell you this, this is such good gossip. So when I was at OK magazine, we used to pay millions of dollars to photograph the babies. And there was one celebrity that wanted the check. We couldn't give them the check until the issue hits newsstands because if a picture leaks out, a million dollar exclusive is blow up. And so the baby. So there's some debate here. When should you shoot the baby? This one celebrity wanted us to shoot the baby within like days of the birth to get the check quickly. I think we blinded this baby. Like, this baby had opened his eyes.
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A
This baby had an afterbirth on it still. Too soon, too soon.
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B
I was like, we're going to blind the baby. We can't keep shooting the baby. And the mummy baby's eyes were like twitching like this. So these celebrities, when you see a kid on the COVID of a magazine, it's not always there for the right reasons. Often, often money. But back to Andy. This lawsuit's coming up and mark my words, I got it right about Ryan and, and Blake. I'm going to get it right about Andy. We're going to see Andy pushing his kids around in a stroller. We're going to see the two dads. They're going to be at the park with this new nice guy. Andy has had a very colorful. And when he was enjoying that, Leah was also on the Housewives. She knows this. She's got the receipts, she's got the text, she's got the emails. So what she's about to present is going to be so delicious. And he's going to try and counter it by having lots of pictures of him and a happy, nice, sensible boyfriend and kids. The dog might even come back. He might get the dog back. That's what it is.
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You know, NBCUniversal tried to get the judge to throw Liam McSweeney's lawsuit out. And the judge said, no, no, no, this can go forward, should go forward. Guess what else we're gonna brace yourselves to see in your Instagram feed? Andy driving out to the Hamptons with the two kids and oh, my God, they're driving me crazy. I'm just trying to get through the lie fucking. Okay, we'll do it. Okay, now, Today show exclusive. You've got. And then I gotta ask you about one of our guests from last week, a first timer who the troublemakers died for. I did as well, you have an exclusive, Rob. Today show's tabloid makeover shocks NBC insiders sources telling Naughty but nice that longtime staffers barely recognize the morning show that they once helped produce. The latest flashpoint came when Savannah Guthrie repeatedly pressed Jennifer Lopez about rumors involving her co star, a cardboard cutout known as Brett Goldstein. Years ago, your source says that would have been considered a tabloid question. Today. It's exactly the kind of moment that Today show producers are looking for. Talk to me, my friends.
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B
When I, when I was on the Today show, once a month, once every two weeks, I was told I went on to do gossip. I went on to do celebrity gossip. But the rule was I couldn't say the word gossip. I had to call it celebrity buzz, buzz. So they've always done gossip. So they've always done gossip. They just cloak it in something that makes them feel more comfortable. Now they've realized with nobody watching, with nobody talking about them that now this is what people want. We want to talk about celebrities. There's no crime in it. In fact, there's a new study out that the higher your intelligence, the more celebrity gossip you want. And I'll send you the study. I love this.
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A
I absolutely believe it's curious.
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B
You're nosy.
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A
It's not just gossip. It's about what? It's exactly what we're doing on this show. We're taking the image, the manufactured product being pushed at us, and we're going underneath the surface to talk about the real shit. And that's interesting, that's intelligent.
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B
Jeff Zucker was the first. He shocked the Today show when he brought in an executive producer from the daytime talk shows, from the Sally Jesse Raphael's, from the Maury Povich's. The ratings went through the roof. Now they're hiring staffers, people that are working there who used to work at the Wendy Williams show, who used to work at these, and it's going to make the show better. I'm for this. What I'm not for is the phony. Don't pretend you are high and mighty when we're all shoveling the same, same product. And this product is delicious. I'm proud to hold my hand up like I'm in AA and say, I love celebrity gossip. My name is Rob Shooter and I'm a gossip columnist. There you go, Savannah. Do the same. Because we're in the same business. It's the same thing.
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A
I just love that over at the Today show, they're like, we're the Today show. We have to talk about celebrity gossip. With celebrities who are across from us. If you've seen that show lately, it's basically qvc, like the third hour. It's like, here's a bunch of cheap shit from China. Click on the QR code to buy, and we get. You know what I mean?
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B
I had a. I had a friend who was on the show. I had a celebrity friend who was on the show, and they told me that they literally finished the interview. And then one of the hosts, I think it was Savannah, who said, now we got to keep the lights on. Let's sell some towels. Like, they just admit it. They just admitted they got to keep the lights on, sell some towels. And then they did a towel segment.
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A
I'm dying. Okay. I have to ask you, I don't know if you saw Billy Bush.
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B
I saw it. I obsessed. He should. Billy. Billy Bush gets on my nerves. I'm not a Billy Bush fan. I've known him a very long time. But him on your show was gold.
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A
I, I, you know, Rob, I love you both. I love you both. I had never met Billy before. I had done his show a few days before he did mine, but, you know, he had. He spilled some incredible tea. And I really. Because you've spent. You've done your time at Studio 1A. He said Al Roker is mean, mean, mean and a bully and tried to get him fired and was liking a tweet that called Billy a racist. And, you know, my theory is that I think that Al is stuck being America's cuddliest weatherman and the gulf between his actual personality and that, like, I think he, I think he's, like, he's making like 5 to 7 mil a year. He said to Billy to point out a green screen and say, rain's coming in. But he's full of rage. He's full of rage. What do you know?
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B
I know it's complicated. Because Billy was despised at the Today show, they really disliked him because he wasn't white glove enough for them. Jenna Bush, who's also a Bush, is a very. Billy's naughty. He's cheeky, he's funny. He is funny. But they.
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Billy Bush screams country club.
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B
Okay?
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He's related to two United States presidents. He's not white glove enough for the likes of Al Roker.
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B
They're just so beastly snobs over there. They're just so awful that Billy Bush was not fancy enough. They're not Willie Geist. Willie Geist is why. That's it. I mean, Billy is Billy Bush. He's a wild type of guy. He might have survived the controversy if he had some friends at the show when that went down, had somebody stood up for him and said, you know what, let's rally behind Billy. I found that in my job. So when I've messed up the jobs that I survive, the jobs that I keep, is when the staff has has my back. And I'm lucky enough that that's happened to me, I'm grateful enough that people have had my back. Billy was arrogant. That's what makes him so delicious. He's still the same Billy. He's flashy and just rude and a little obnoxious and he could probably root for you. Allegedly, he's that type of guy. And they just never really liked whoever there. So from day one, it was just a bad fit. It was just a bad fit. Elle really disliked Billy Bush. Billy Bush really disliked Al. And it was just delicious to watch them be so rude to each other every day on tv. I do think though, and maybe that this is why I like your show so much. We don't all always have to agree that's actually the best tv. It's really great when we. I like the View better when it wasn't so one sided.
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A
I knew when they fought when Rosie
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was fighting with everybody. Elizabeth, I just. And so Billy, to me, make the Today show exciting and fun. He's a pain in the ass. I never want to get a drink with him, but I will watch him on TV and your show on repeat. It was an amazing, amazing interview. And no, I loved it. Having back. And that's where Billy Knight can really sort of, I think, find his next chapter, tell the truth. For 20 years he was part of the legacy media who just told lies. I would call Billy when I was working with JLO and she was breaking up with Ben the first time. And I'd be like, Billy, don't you be reporting this. And he wouldn't. And he should tell those stories, tell those stories of having to play along, having to get access, having to kiss ass, having to not tell the truth, having really to pull, pull the wall over America's eyes. He's got those stories. I, I hope he tells them. I just started listening to his podcast too. And once again I listen to Michael Jackson. So I don't have to be a personal fan of yours.
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A
Billy Bush is not Michael Jackson.
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But I don't have to be a fan of something. I don't have to be personally to appreciate, to appreciate the work. And Billy's done the work. He's got the stories. He's been there.
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A
He is a veteran.
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He's a veteran.
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A
He's got the stories. Okay, now our final item. I love this exclusive you've got. It's sort of a dual exclusive. Teresa Giudice of the Real Housewives of New Jersey, her daughter Melania, who is part of a Bravo show called Next Gen. I haven't watched a frame of it. Was arrested last month on allegations of domestic assault and causing bodily injury following an incident in Montville Township, New Jersey. The victim was allegedly inside the home away from production. None of it happened in front of the cameras. I'm sure she's miked all at all times when they're shooting. Tell us what you know about the victim, the circum. Was this like a romantic partner? Was this some sort of just a friend, a dispute with a friend and. Or you've also got some theorizing that perhaps Teresa was really the villain in that marriage to Joe Giudice. They both went to prison on multiple counts of like, fraud and tax evasion.
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B
Yeah. Teresa has remarried this very controversial chap who's on the show called Louis, Louis Lewis.
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A
Oh, he's another.
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B
Got a lot of baggage there. What housewives, what production sources are. Are speculating. I'm being really clear in this reporting. I don't have it. I've just got speculation here, but it's enough that I can. Can report on it is that it's him. So when you, when you're charged with domestic abuse, I checked very carefully. I called my police sources, my law enforcement sources. It has to be somebody in the family. It has to be somebody within, within, within your group. You didn't go to a bar and get into a fight with a friend. You didn't go down to the, to the supermarket and get into a fight with another customer. This would just be assault. It would just be assault. So it's domestic assault. So we know that it's within the family. I'm told it's not her three other sisters. I was like, is this just a fight between sisters? We all have them. We've all had a fight with our siblings. They said, no, it was far more serious for the police to get involved. So the only other two people within that. That nuclear family is Teresa and Louis. We also checked very carefully. This incident happened. We know where it happened. It happened. We only know the town where it happened, but they live in that town. So this is all pointing towards the fact that it probably was a family member. And when you look at the family, the sources I have on the show are speculating, are saying that they all believe that, that it is Louis, her stepfather. There's a lot of resentment there, bringing him into their lives. They love their dad Joe, who was deported. And now this new guy has turned up and there's a lot of tension in the house. We see it on the show. I'm not reporting anything here that should be shocking. It's. It's a really toxic family and they've had issues, and I'm surprised that it took this long for it to explode. I do know that Bravo did not capture this incident on camera, but secretly behind the scenes, they're gleeful because the show got a little bit boring. We were telling the same story over and over again this new season, which they are shooting right now.
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A
Oh, they are.
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B
Right now. The cameras are there. Right. I'm told that what they've shot so far could probably be tossed out because the main storyline of this season now is going to be Melania's arrest.
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A
You know, this is so interesting because what we've been hearing out of Bravo was that not only was New Jersey on the bubble, they might just let that aspect, that part of the franchise die. Surprised that the child of a woman who got herself famous by father flipping a table at a family christening was arrested on domestic assault. But what to do what you're talking about, you know, the way they depicted this new marriage on the show. Teresa does this all the time. He's perfect. He's amazing. Blah, blah, blah. He's got a very sketchy past. His entire body is waxed. His face is like red as a tomato. He just looks like he's incandescent with rage at every moment and he's pushing it down. He's like a men's rights guy, you know, he's like, he's a weird dude. If I had daughters, I would let nowhere near. I'm not saying anything untoward, but I would never let a guy like that near a minor child.
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B
And this is what makes great reality tv. I'm gonna predict it's gonna be a big season for Bravo and Jersey. It was on the bubble. You're absolutely right. This show has lost most of its viewers. They were desperately trying to reinvent it. Teresa is on this season, so is her sister in law, Melissa. And once again, Teresa has made herself the star of the show and the main storyline of the next season of the Real Housewives of New Jersey.
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A
Great parenting. Great parenting. Rob, we love you. I don't think I've laughed this hard all week. It's like the most fun. It's the most fun when you're on. Thank you for coming on the Nerve.
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B
You're the best. I'll see you next week, my friends. Thank you. Next week you're in London. Take care.
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The Markle Porta Potty company writes, Jane Doe needs to get Sussex toilet paper for their potties. Oh, my God. Okay, this one's great. There is Sussex toilet paper, according to troublemaker M. Oh, she says I can use her first name, Marcella. There is an entire aisle of this shit. By which she means Sussex toilet paper in the Buenos Aires grocery store called El Cotto. The aisle of Sussex toilet paper was never ending. What a business opportunity for Markle potties. This is amazing. Then this comes from troublemaker Rocco, who went on next door and found all the legitimate info for Markle's pumping service, along with an actual phone number that has a 905 area code and the the helpful website information, which is marcospumping service.com could not love you guys more. I could not love you more. We are showing this photo sent in by troublemaker Jordan. This photo of former three time New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg suffering the presence of Shamalama Ding Dong at the Knicks game during the NBA Finals is literally everything Michael Bloomberg is. All of us. I would venture to guess Michael Bloomberg could potentially be a troublemaker or converted into one. This from troublemaker Mobo Brill. Bill. Sorry, from the Upper east side. Not Bill from Brooklyn. This is Bill from the Upper east side who has written in before and had a very funny Caroline Kennedy anecdote. This is Bill's Andy Cohen encounter story, which is very timely given what Rob and I just discussed. About 15 years ago, I was arriving alone at a Bravo party in a downtown loft building, waiting for the elevator. The doors opened and there was Andy Cohen, apparently on his way out. Except he didn't get out. Instead, he stood in the elevator doorway and looked me up and down, then up and down again, and then one more time for good measure. The inspection went on long enough to become genuinely uncomfortable. He seemed completely absorbed in deciding whether or not he was going to hit on me. Apparently, the answer was no, because eventually he stepped out and went on his way. This is one of the most. It's, it's a perfect example of, of how these celebrities are, like, out in the wild. If they encounter a civilian, that behavior is exactly dead on. And by the way, I have a similar story, but it's, it, it's professional in nature. But I was once at a job interview at the Conde Nast building, and I was. I was dressed appropriately for it, and I was alone in the elevator. It stopped, the doors opened, and Anna Wintour got in the elevator. Now, this is before the Devil Wears Prada. And I had heard the stories that if you are in an elevator in the Conde Nast building and Anna Wintour exits, you are to get out. I did not get out. And for that, I was rewarded with the up and down and up and down. And I was like, I think I look pretty decent. So it's not really hitting me where I live. Sister. Dear Maureen, during Madonna's recent desperate confessions to rollout, she did a six minute I love you, troublemaker. Okay? She did a six minute YouTube segment with Grindr two weeks ago. She is asked, this is. This is so great. Troublemaker Eric Madonna is asked who she had the best sex ever with. And to my surprise, she emphatically declares JFK Jr. As being her most satisfying sex partner ever. This troublemaker Eric writes, is a lie, lie, all in caps. And I remember the exact same thing you do, Eric. And I'm so glad you wrote in, because I wasn't even sure whether it was worth bringing up. But you are so right to bring this up now. Madonna made it very clear. Troublemaker Eric writes for many years that JFK Jr. Was in fact, the worst sex she ever had. Her brother Christopher Ceccone even repeated this in a 2008 Howard Stern interview. Ciccone said Madonna said that JFK Jr. Was like having sex with a 10 year old. By which she meant, you know, he didn't really know what he was doing in bed. And I can completely believe it, because a guy who looked like that and had that name and that money, you know what I mean? It was like he didn't have to make an effort at anything. And this is the problem. You thought he was great at everything, including sex, you know? You know, it was like. I'm sure this was a huge part of Carolyn Bessette's issue with him. Anyway, troublemaker Eric goes On to say this does not make Madonna look good. This interview can also be found right on YouTube. Madonna wants so bad to be relevant in 2026 and she knows that JFK Jr. Is a hot topic right now. Please shine a light on this bullshit. Happy to. Eric. You just did it, man. You just did it. Love you. Okay, final Troublemaker feedback. And we love these because these are the best. You guys are often sending, excuse me, sending in photos not only of your animal companions, the loves of your lives, but your human ones as well. Dear Maureen, back in 2009, this is Troublemaker L. I became a caretaker for my father in law. He was a New Yorker, born 1935. I loved hearing his valued real talk about fake people. Together we rescued a Pomeranian from a puppy mill who we affectionately called Cookie because she was the sweetest. We were a trio of troublemakers. Sadly, we lost Cookie and then I lost my father in law. So sorry. Life Troublemaker L writes, gave back to me in the form of my daughter September. Troublemaker L also included a photo of her daughter September along with the photo we're seeing here of her father in law and Cookie. But we're not going to show that one. That's, that's a private, you know, not for public consumption. Lisa writes, she is so special. When I watch the Nerve, my daughter is drawn. My daughter is drawn to your hair and your jewelry. And her hope is that September will become a future troublemaker. I consider her one already raising them right. My friend Andy Cohen could take a page out of your book. She included her daughter September's kindergarten picture. And she's wearing very sweet Troublemaker coated jewelry. P.S. we both want to know about your large light blue ring. It is aquamarine and I got it on like an antique resale site. That is it. Keep your feedback coming. Please email me at maureenevilmakeremedia.com or DM me on Instagram at Maureen Callahan, writer or at the Nerve show. Remember, join the party. Come and subscribe to the Nerves Substack. That is our weekly email. Go to thenerveshow.com you will see a prompt. Would you like to sign up for the substack? It's free. It's you know, extra bonus exclusive content. There's video content in there. Teddy's got a semi regular column. 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