Royal Family Tensions on Display, Priscilla Presley's Deception, Jimmy Kimmel's Crocodile Tears

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The Nerve with Maureen Callahan

Episode: Royal Family Tensions on Display, Priscilla Presley's Deception, Jimmy Kimmel's Crocodile Tears
Date: September 30, 2025
Host: Maureen Callahan
Co-host: (Possibly Teddy Van Halen)
Guests: Kinsey Schofield (royal and Elvis expert), Mark Bowden (body language expert)

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Overview

On this packed return episode, Maureen Callahan dives into headline-grabbing culture and scandal—with signature skepticism and bite. The show covers:

• Allegations of deception and greed within the Presley family
• Royal family drama, including Prince Harry's fraught "reconciliation," leaks, and power struggles
• Violet Affleck’s viral UN moment as a “Nepo baby”
• A tribute to Robert Redford
• The Amy Griffin “memoir” exposé fallout
• A fascinating body language analysis of Jimmy Kimmel’s on-air “crocodile tears” and public figures including Meghan Markle and Priscilla Presley

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1. Priscilla Presley: Allegations of Deception and Lawsuit Fallout

(Main segment with Kinsey Schofield)
[07:24–20:43, 80:15–90:31]

Key Points

• Priscilla Presley is accused (in a lawsuit by former business associates) of prematurely taking daughter Lisa Marie Presley off life support to retake control of the family trust and Graceland.
  • Maureen reads directly from the New York Times and allegations in legal filings, focusing on the absence of a proper denial from Priscilla’s counsel.
    • “That little sentence fragment is not a denial. Just, just my opinion.” – Maureen [10:26]
• Maureen and Kinsey argue Priscilla has prioritized wealth and the brand over her actual family.
  • “There’s a through line of greed that follows Priscilla’s story. ...It’s about preserving Priscilla’s bank account, and the collateral damage ...has never seemed to slow down.” – Kinsey [11:02]
  • “She just doesn’t care that she looks like this piggy bank.” – Kinsey [15:25]
• Priscilla allegedly rushed Riley Keough, her granddaughter, into legal confrontations days after Lisa Marie’s death.
  • Heartbreaking posthumous letter from Riley is highlighted as evidence of Priscilla’s character.
    • “I think Riley Keough is a class act. ...Her grandmother cares about one thing and that's Elvis's corpse and running Graceland and that's it.” – Co-host [20:09]
• Discussion of Priscilla’s checkered past, including Lisa Marie’s molestation allegations against Priscilla’s ex and Priscilla’s alleged inaction.
  • “For Priscilla to ...dismiss that as nothing...just acknowledge the fact that you were a crap mom that thrust your kid onto Scientology.” – Kinsey [15:25]
  • Priscilla’s media tour is described as “ghoulish.”
  • Priscilla’s contradictory stories about Lisa Marie’s final days signal, to the hosts, unreliability or worse.
    • “There should be one version when you're one, but we've got multiple...” – Co-host [12:19]
• Notable moment: Maureen equates Priscilla’s public posture with Liz Gilbert’s, contrasting suffering-for-attention brands.
• Mark Bowden’s later analysis of Priscilla Presley’s body language (on Today Show) points to discomfort, vocal “clicks” signaling uncertainty, and mouth movements indicating bitterness and lack of candor.
  • “She’s nailed herself down to being very still. At the same time, she’s not doing a lot...she feels unsure of parts of that story.” – Mark Bowden [82:24]
  • “I love her to death”—said while shaking head, a textbook nonverbal cue of incongruence, about granddaughter Riley. – [85:14]

Notable Quotes:

• “It’s psychopathic. ...Is Priscilla homicidal? I don’t know. But this doesn’t look good.” – Co-host [16:09]
• “If all we have to look at is the letter from Riley...that heartbreak, I think it tells us a lot about Priscilla Presley’s character.” – Kinsey [18:46]

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2. Royal Intrigue: Prince Harry, Leaks, and Palace Power Games

[20:47–26:53, 91:49–103:04]

Key Points

• Discussion of leaks about Prince Harry’s “reconciliation” summit with King Charles.
  • Questions over who is leaking—the Sussex or Windsor camp.
• Reports: Harry, allegedly seeking a new royal role, presented Charles with a framed photo of Meghan and his children.
  • Maureen and Kinsey dismiss the idea of deep reconciliation, pointing to persistent trust breakdown.
  • “This just blows up any real chance of reconciliation because you realize you cannot trust this man. And he’s not maturing. He’s not growing up.” – Kinsey [24:28]
• Kinsey speculates someone from Charles’s team intentionally leaked details to correct overblown Sussex camp claims, which tried to pit Charles against William.
  • “...whoever this is, is trying to create friction or drama between Prince William and King Charles. Yes, because what they’re doing is they’re insinuating that Prince William isn’t doing enough.” – Kinsey [25:23]
• Viral videos dissected by body language expert Mark Bowden:
  • Queen Camilla’s “protective” versus “competitive” gesture toward Catherine, Princess of Wales when with Melania Trump.
  • Meghan Markle’s body-blocking and stage interactions: Mark identifies grooming gestures, lack of true smiling, and evidence of discomfort and exclusion by Harry at a first responders charity event.
    • “She is not confident coming on. He gave her zero confidence to stay there.” – Mark Bowden [98:32]
    • “She kind of. It was a retreat. She achieved very little in that one.” – Mark [99:26]
  • Prince William’s classic avoidance of Prince Andrew at a royal event, adjusting himself (adapter gesture) as a way to handle an unwanted proximity.
    • “Because you can’t, at this point, remove Andrew because it’s too late...he removes his eyes off into the sky somewhere. ...He’s trying to find anywhere else to be but in a relationship with this person.” – Mark [101:59]

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3. Nepo Babies in the Spotlight: Violet Affleck at the UN

[26:53–36:09]

Key Points

• Violet Affleck (daughter of Ben Affleck/Jennifer Garner) gives pro-mask speech at the UN, sparking ridicule.
  • Maureen lampoons Violet’s advocacy as Greta Thunberg-lite, “paranoid Nepo baby,” and points out health paradoxes of constant masking.
    • “This girl is not well, but not for the reasons she thinks.” – Maureen [28:39]
• Kinsey jokes that Violet’s example is “birth control.”
• Maureen critiques celebrity parenting, theorizes that Violet and her siblings’ public issues trace back to Jennifer Garner being too focused on Ben Affleck’s problems.
  • “Ben was her favorite child, 100%.” – Co-host [36:09]
• The resonance of Nepo babies’ privilege at a time of widespread post-Covid loss.
  • “She is using unearned fame, her parents fame and her wealth and her privilege to get herself over.” – Co-host [32:27]
• Violet’s gestures dissected as virtue-signaling and poorly guided behavior.

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4. Tribute: Robert Redford—A Real Star and Artist

[38:52–44:10]

Key Points

• Maureen reflects on Robert Redford’s legacy after his death, calling him one of the last true movie stars and a “real artist.”
  • Deep dive into his 1980 directorial debut, Ordinary People, examining its subtlety and ahead-of-its-time depiction of masculinity and family dysfunction.
• Excerpts from the film highlight the emotional truth Redford coaxed from his cast and the light touch that made the material resonate.
  • Story: Judd Hirsch on Redford’s directorial style—“Smaller, bring it down...that’s where you’re going to get to the real emotional truth of the scene.” [43:57]
• Redford’s focus on truth instead of drama is lauded as “true artistry.”

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5. Amy Griffin: Memoir Exposé and the Fall of a “Survivor”

[44:10–57:14]

Key Points

• Amy Griffin’s memoir, The Tell, comes under fire in a blistering New York Times exposé; Maureen previously called out inconsistencies and questions Griffin’s truthfulness.
  • “I think that book is a lie. I think Amy Griffin made it up.” – Maureen [45:08]
  • “Notice crickets from Amy’s camp. ...Wonder why.” – Maureen [46:01]
• Maureen urges those allegedly defamed in the memoir to sue, alleging that Griffin’s privilege does not make her bulletproof.
• Critique of the media’s willingness to let figures like Griffin peddle victimhood for status, with no accountability.

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6. Special Feature: Reading the Body Language of Celebrities

(Segment with Mark Bowden)
[66:25–103:26]

Key Segments & Timestamps

A. Jimmy Kimmel's “Crocodile Tears” Apology

• [66:25–76:46] — Mark Bowden analyses Kimmel’s apology about his controversial remarks regarding Charlie Kirk’s assassin—contrasting contrition, body language, and affect with the original monologue.
  • “There’s a lot of lip compressions...That’s to kind of say, look, I’ve got some stuff to say about this, but I’m not going to say that. ...There’s some self soothing in his hands as well.” – Mark [67:14]
  • “In the apology, he’s going here with supplicant. Supplicant. Exactly. ...He’s looking for people to go, you know what, Jimmy, you’re all right. We understand. All is forgiven.” – Mark [77:00]
  • [75:54] “Body language is more of a Rorschach test...you will project your thinking and feeling...On the whole, you’re not a good mind reader at all.”

B. Priscilla Presley’s Media Tour

• [80:15–90:31] – Bowden identifies Priscilla Presley’s discomfort, highlighting vocal “clicks” indicating uncertainty and mouth movements denoting bitterness when discussing serious accusations.
  • “...innocent people, in my experience...they tend to protest their innocence immediately, vehemently and loudly. Not really...it’s very subtle and it’s very quiet...” – Mark [90:05]

C. The Royals—Micro-Interactions

• [91:49–103:04]
  • Camilla, Catherine, and Melania: Camilla’s hand tap signals attention, not rivalry; Mark reads it as “protecting her piece” (Catherine).
  • Meghan and Harry: Meghan’s efforts to join Harry on stage and her micro-behaviors signify reduced confidence and acceptance—Harry “gave her zero confidence to stay there.” – Mark [98:32]
  • Prince William and Prince Andrew: William’s avoidance tells volumes; self-soothing gestures, “adapter” movement, and seeking non-Andrew contact signal social discomfort.

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Listener Mail & Community Segment

[57:14–66:25]

• Emails cover Hugh Jackman’s divorce (“betrayal”), nepotism in Hollywood, Violet Affleck commentary, Pedro Pascal’s “creepy” vibe, musical segment suggestions, and more.
• Merchandise updates: Nerve phone cases now planned.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• “I just want to announce that I’m getting my tubes tied after watching that [Violet Affleck’s speech]. Like, I’m getting my tubes tied. I refuse.” – Kinsey [28:39]
• “Ben was her favorite child, 100%.” – Co-host [36:09]
• “She is using unearned fame, her parents fame and her wealth and her privilege to get herself over.” – Co-host [32:27]
• “Innocent people ...protest their innocence immediately, vehemently and loudly. ...We’re not really...it’s very subtle and it’s very quiet...” – Mark Bowden on Priscilla Presley [90:05]
• “Do I want to prove that Jimmy Kimmel is a liar? No. Do I think he is? Yeah. Yeah, I do.” – Co-host [76:01]
• “He gave her zero confidence to stay there.” – Mark Bowden (on Harry & Meghan) [98:32]

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Final Notes & Upcoming

• The Nerve will now offer three weekly episodes, including a Wednesday “Nerve at Night” with audience dilemma segments.
• Audience encouraged to email feedback, join the discussions, and suggest new show segments.

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Timestamps Index (selected highlights)

• 07:24 — Priscilla Presley lawsuit accusations and greed
• 11:02 — Kinsey on Priscilla’s legacy: money over family
• 18:46 — Riley Keough’s letter, evidence of family fracture
• 20:47 — Royal leaks, Harry's “reconciliation,” Sussex vs. palace narratives
• 28:39 — Violet Affleck speech, kinsey’s reaction
• 38:52 — Robert Redford tribute, Ordinary People analysis
• 45:08 — Amy Griffin memoir fraud allegations
• 66:25 — Mark Bowden analyzes Jimmy Kimmel’s apology
• 80:15 — Priscilla Presley’s body language: Today Show
• 98:32 — Meghan’s failed stage triumph, Harry's distancing
• 100:51 — Prince William “adapts” to Prince Andrew's proximity

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Transcript

[Maureen Callahan]

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[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

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[Kinsey Schofield]

I'm so good. Are you ever going to acknowledge that Amy Griffin has been markled? Don't forget that Megan went to her big summit where no one wanted to take pictures with Megan. Has. Didn't. Did Megan markle her.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Oh, do you. So you're saying, did Megan's sort of stink cloud get all over Amy? And you know what? No, I, I'm going to take, I'm going to take a lot of credit for this one. The Nerve stink cloud. And the troublemakers got her. And then the New York Times published this blistering story, which, I mean, it's just like, oh for. I could go in on it for days. We're going to get to it a little bit down the line in the show, but Amy's really radio silent in the wake of a. Of a piece in the New York Times that basically heavily implies that she is a liar.

[Kinsey Schofield]

Oh, I can't wait. I can't wait. I'm gonna be watching with bated breath.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Oh, thanks, Kinsey. Yeah, I think you're gonna love it. You know, you and I have so much to get to. I think first we're going to get to Priscilla Presley. You and I have both been following this with really, really forensic attention. She has been making the rounds on morning television and talking about the last time she saw her daughter. Now before that, we have to get into the bulk of this New York Times piece. So I'm just going to set the table a little bit. The 80 year old would be Queen of Graceland and self appointed gatekeeper of all things Elvis, which is so pathetic and so ghoulish, has been making the media rounds for her new memoir. Trust me, do not buy this book. I have it. I've read it. Don't buy it. It's called Softly As I Leave you now, if that isn't a Freudian title for days, given what we are talking about. So there of course is only one question any of these so called, so called journalists should be asking Priscilla Presley. Which means of course they are not asking her. So we here at the Nerve Wrack will do it. Okay. And that question of course is, hey, did you kill your daughter as alleged in a lawsuit by two of your former business partners so that you could rest control of an estate founded by your ex husband who died 48 years ago and whose last name you still drag around like a grave robber. Like a crypt keeper. Okay, first I am going to read the salient piece of this lawsuit filed against Priscilla by her former business associates Brigitte Cruz and Kevin Fialco. According to a report by Matt Stevens in the New York Times dated August 15, 2025. I quote in from the New York Times piece in the court papers, lawyers for Ms. Cruz and Mr. Fialco also made a bold accusation that is sure to escalate the dispute. Do you think After Lisa Marie was rushed to the hospital in 2023 following a cardiac arrest, the lawsuit says, quote, priscilla pulled the plug, end quote, on her daughter as part of an effort to, quote, regain control, end quote, of the family trust. Priscilla. The Times continues. This is quoting the lawsuit. Excuse me, Priscilla, who knew that Lisa was in the process of taking steps to remove her. Priscilla, as the sole trustee of Lisa's irrevocable life insurance trust, saw an opportunity to regain control. The lawsuit said Priscilla had acted. The lawsuit said, even though Lisa Marie had an advance health care directive, these are things that are in writing, they are legal documents in place that made clear that she wanted her life, quote, to be prolonged as long as possible. A lawyer for Ms. Presley, Marty Singer, condemned the allegation in a two page statement in which he called the new filing, quote, one of the most shameful, ridiculous, salacious and meritless lawsuits I have seen in my practice. I have not read the two page document, but that little sentence fragment is not a denial. Just, just my opinion. Kinsey, what do you make of this bombshell allegation?

[Kinsey Schofield]

I mean, ever since she walked away from Elvis, Priscilla Presley has proven that one thing matters most to her. Squeezing every last drop out of the Presley name. No matter who gets crushed in the process, from staking her claim in Graceland to fighting her own granddaughter in court. Just a day after Lisa Marie's death, poor Riley's getting emails and calls from her grandmother's attorneys. And she says later on that that was traumatic to her. There's a through line of greed that follows Priscilla's story. It's not about preserving Elvis's legacy. It's about preserving Priscilla's bank account and the collateral damage, whether it's Elvis, Lisa Marie or Riley, has never seemed to slow down. And in her book that you mentioned earlier, she writes about Lisa Marie's death and her side of the story. When she talks about this decision to remove her daughter from life support, she says that doctors informed her Lisa Marie had no quality of life at all and little brain activity. A little is more than none. You know what I'm saying?

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

A little is more than none.

[Kinsey Schofield]

And to rip you, rip her off of life support before Riley could get there. I think that that's horrific.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Now, in the Lisa Marie memoir that was published posthumously, which her daughter Riley helped complete, and in the book, there are two narratives that are being told. One is Lisa Marie talking in the first person. One is Riley speaking in the first person. And Riley writes about getting the news that her mother is in the hospital. Her father, Danny Keough, calls her and says, honey, it's not looking good. You need to come home. She was off working. She gets on the first plane to la, and while she's in midair, she, she, she is texting her father and saying, just tell me, just tell me. She can sense her mother has gone. Now, if this is true, and Priscilla's telling different versions of this story, by the way, which is highly suspect, there should be one version when you're one, but we've got multiple and we're going to get into that, you would think that if, if, if Priscilla in fact were at the bedside of her daughter, she would say, keep my daughter on these machines until her own daughter, who is in the air, can get here and say her goodbyes, would you not?

[Kinsey Schofield]

Oh, my gosh, that's so true. And one thing that I, I think is important to mention too, according to this lawsuit, is that her team claims that Priscilla demanded that they issue a statement to the media immediately following her daughter's death so she could control the narrative. I mean, who's thinking that way? Your daughter's just died. Don't you want to curl up in a ball and sob and just rot? I mean, I'm not thinking. I better call Entertainment Tonight.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

You know, I find Priscilla Presley ghoulish for many, many, many reasons. And one of them is the competing versions of events in Lisa Marie's book finished by Riley and Priscilla's new memoir, which is allegedly about her life after Elvis. But I mean, hey, if you want to read paragraph upon paragraph, page upon page, what it was like to do Dancing with The Stars in 2008, this is the book for you.

[Kinsey Schofield]

Enjoy.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Okay, this is the riveting life events that are led by one Priscilla Presley post, Elvis. Okay, we don't have a lot to offer. We do not. But Lisa Marie wrote in about as much detail as you could tell she could muster or want to share about Priscilla's live in boyfriend molesting her beginning at the age of 10. And then she goes on, it happened while I was 11, while I was 12, while I was 13. And she writes that Priscilla knew and in some substance, Lisa's versions of events really didn't do anything. Talked to him once, said it was a big misunderstanding. Priscilla's book, her current book, again, I don't. Don't put a penny in this woman's pocket. She's disgusting. She's like, yeah, it was a big misunderstanding.

[Kinsey Schofield]

I mean, well, that's BS Because Michael Edwards, the former boyfriend that we're talking about, admitted to having sexual attraction to Lisa Marie in his 10 years old.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Yeah.

[Kinsey Schofield]

1988 book, Priscilla, Elvis and Me. It's there. It's in print. He admitted feeling a sick feeling and craving Lisa sexually. That's. That's a big deal. That's a big deal. And so for Priscilla to try to write that off and to try to dismiss that as nothing. I mean, just acknowledge the fact that you were a crap mom that thrust your kid onto Scientology. And I mean, Lisa Marie goes into a little bit in. Of that in her book as well. I just. I'm so frustrated with her because I feel like she reeks of this greedy and she's shameless in her execution. She just doesn't care that she looks like this piggy bank.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

It's psychopathic. And what is striking to me is right now we are seeing these ghouls just out there promoting their ghoulishness and their. What I think, you know. Is Priscilla homicidal? I don't know. But this doesn't look good. And this is just my opinion. It doesn't look good. It's very Liz Gilbert adjacent to me. She's out there. Oprah, morning shows, the New York Times. Anybody will have her. Hey, I plotted to murder my dying girlfriend when it just became too much bullshit for me to deal with. Aren't I cute? Buy my book, Kinsey. What is going on in the culture? You know, to your point, by the way, Lisa Marie wrote, not only was she molested, seriously, probably raped by this guy. Let's get real. But he would beat her at and throw furniture at her, and Priscilla knew about it. And still Priscilla did nothing. I mean, are you kidding me? And then Priscilla goes on like, the Today show and all manner of bullshit, and she's like, my daughter was a lot.

[Kinsey Schofield]

She wanted to die.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

My daughter was so troubled. I wonder how she got that way, you know, I mean, it's not like she was 8 years old and at Graceland when her father died on the toilet and saw his body and was boxed out as the adults led him away on a stretcher, you know, And.

[Kinsey Schofield]

I was sat there in the house with him. Remember, they brought his body back and she just, as a child, she just sat there with his dead body, just sat there for days because she just couldn't comprehend the fact that he was gone.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

And Priscilla's like, yeah, she was a handful.

[Kinsey Schofield]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

My. My other favorite thing is Priscilla talking about, you know, everything being great with Lisa Marie in the. In the days leading up to her death and seeing her on the red carpet for, I believe it was the Golden Globes. Well, Baz Luhrmann's Elvis was nominated for a bunch of awards. Lisa Marie was there that night. And anyone who saw this woman on the red carpet knew she was hours away from death. She looked like death. Her eyes were vacant. She was clearly on something. She was pale. She was almost gray. She looked like she was on her way out the door. And Priscilla's version is like, I. I saw her and Lisa was like, hey, do you want to go get a drink after the premiere? And I was like, sure, yeah. Yeah, that's what you want to do. Go get a drink with your child who has battled drugs and alcohol the bulk of her adult life. And you don't notice what anybody who's watching in their own living room notices through a TV screen, a mediated TV screen. This. This woman looks like death.

[Kinsey Schofield]

She did look ill. I mean, if you want to take out the wildest claims from this lawsuit, let's pretend that the lawsuit doesn't claim that she ripped Lisa Marie's life support too soon. Let's pretend the lawsuit doesn't claim that she basically is behind the death of Elvis Presley. If all we have to look at is the letter from Riley, her granddaughter, and, and reading that word for word, that heartbreak, I think it tells us a lot about Priscilla Presley's character. And I. I will never defend this woman ever in. In my life. I. I just think she's an awful human. Based on that one letter alone.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

I think Riley Keough is a class act. And I think, you know, it's not for nothing she was a brand new mother when her own mother was dying. And the world didn't even know she was a mother until she was shot by paparazzi deplaning for her mother's funeral in Memphis at Graceland. Seeing her carrying like a little. One of those little car seats, you know, and it was suddenly, it was like, Riley's got a baby. You know, so this is her grandmother. And I think that email. And we'll get into it on another show. It's out there if you want to see it. In which Riley writes, you know, I was heartbroken that I. You forced me to find lawyers to deal with your bullshit before I could even some. She wouldn't say that.

[Kinsey Schofield]

After I defended you.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

After I defended you, but before I could bury my own mother, before I could bury her, I, I believe Riley wrote that email for posterity, knowing that at some point it would have to be made public to make it clear as politely as she wants to. You know, she's. Again, I think she's a class act. I couldn't do it this way. That her grandmother cares about one thing and that's Elvis's corpse and running Graceland and that's it.

[Kinsey Schofield]

Yeah. And taking care of her cockroach of a son.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Right. Who Priscilla says, oh, you know, he's still trying to find himself. He's like 45.

[Kinsey Schofield]

Oh my God. Prince Harry, you found your soulmate.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Okay, exactly. Meghan Markle, husband number three. Four. We don't know. But to that, to the latest on the, on, on the Harry developments. Now, there has been leakage in the House of Sussex, it would appear, or perhaps, perhaps, maybe it's Windsor. You tell me, Kinsey. You would know better. Details from the summit, the reconciliation attempt that Harry had with Charles a couple of weeks ago have been seeping out and Harry is a very upset and has no idea how these details got leaked. Details that Harry gave his father allegedly a framed photo and the reports were that that photo was Harry and the Duchess of Sussex.

[Kinsey Schofield]

That's so nice that you call her that.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

I'm doing it with tongue firmly in cheek, you know, But I also don't want to say her name anymore because I hate her so much. But what do you make of this? And what do you make of the fact that Harry, by the way, had his own people say, I don't want to give any details. And of course we're self pitying. It's such a shame. I've been backed against the wall that I'm always backed up against. But I have to tell, I have to tell the world at large, I did not give my photo, my father a photo of Megan Markle because. Can't stand her.

[Kinsey Schofield]

Yeah. Oh my gosh. Exactly. Okay, well, here's the thing. I think what's really interesting is that last week we got an update from Us Weekly, who you'll recall, Harry and Megan worked side by side with after they hated that Hollywood Reporter stinging article calling Megan a dictator in high heels. Harry and Megan gave their team members permission to sit with Us Weekly and they wrote a glowing profile of what a, you know, a boss girl Meghan Markle was and how they loved working with her. So Us Weekly and Page Six last week, these glowing inside details about what happened between Harry and King Charles, where Harry throws his arms around King Charles and there are tears. Harry wrote Charles a handwritten note, and that's what instigated the meeting. I mean, a lot. You know, this was a warm meeting. Harry doesn't speak out when those details are leaked, but when the sun says it was really too formal for Harry, felt uncomfortable. He had to enter through a security checkpoint where they took, you know, a wand up and down him to make sure he likely wasn't Mike.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

They stripped him Mafia style. Are you wired up, sir?

[Kinsey Schofield]

Exactly. Like all of a sudden, he gets fired up over a son report that says he gifted. And by the way, if the son has some of the details right, gifts were exchanged. What are the odds that the son doesn't have all the details right? I think that this just proves to us that it was an uncomfortably formal meeting that disappointed Prince Harry because of the frost in the room. That the King handed him a birthday gift. Gosh, Something probably, you know, annoying, like a paperweight. And then Harry hands him a picture of the kids. And so I think that he's upset that. Because I think it's Megan that has said, I want you to clear this. Clean up this narrative that a picture of me was handed over to the Royal Family, because otherwise, who cares? And aside from the Guardian interview that he did right after that, which we discussed on your show previously, this just blows up any real chance of reconciliation because you realize you cannot trust this man. And he's not maturing. He's not growing up.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

He's not. And aside from that, like, okay, can we keep this contained? Can we just. The world knows we're having a meeting. Can we just not let anything. He cannot help himself. And neither can Megan, who I believe is probably very conflicted about whether this reconciliation should have legs, because, I mean, there's so much. We'll have to talk about it in further depth on your show as well. But I don't understand why Harry would expect anything other than a stilted meeting after 19 months of just complete betrayals that he and his wife have leveled against the Royal Family. And then I believe it's that same interview you're talking about. He has the temerity to say, my conscience is clear. I didn't do anything wrong to them. And in telling their secrets in spare.

[Kinsey Schofield]

Yeah, well, I do think that somebody from King Charles's team likely spoke to the sun about this meeting and said, yo, it was frosty. Okay? All of these tears and you know, and I think it was in direct retaliation to someone from the Sussex camp going to the Daily Mail the weekend after that meeting and claiming that Harry was crafting a new role for himself within the royal family and that him and the King were planning on go doing some engagement side by side as a show of unity. Also, you brought this up earlier. Somebody says in this ludicrous article in the Daily Mail that Prince Harry is going to be there to take some of the pressure off Prince William's shoulders. And you realize that whoever this is, is create. Is trying to create friction or drama between Prince William and King Charles. Yes, because what they're doing is they're insinuating that Prince William isn't doing enough. And I think that that's why someone from the palace was like, actually fact check that meeting. It was icy cold. There was nothing warm about it. And there's no place for you as a part time working royal.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Prince William would sooner take help from Satan's handmaiden than Harry.

[Kinsey Schofield]

You know, you know he's gonna, you know. Who's gonna get on the phone? James Hewitt. James Hewitt. I need some backup.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Okay, I want to get to, I believe, the Nepo baby who has just napalmed all Nepo babies. That is one Violet Affleck, okay. Who took herself over to the UN during UN week and demanded. Kinsey demanded from behind an N95 mask that the rest of us mask up in perpetuity because there's a pandemic going on that none of us are. Let's take a look at Violet. Let's take a look, regrettably, at Violet Affleck.

[Kinsey Schofield]

We are told by leaders across the board that we are the future. But when it comes to the ongoing pandemic, our present is being stolen right in front of our eyes. For adults, the relentless beat of back.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

To normal ignoring, downplaying and concealing.

[Kinsey Schofield]

Both the prevalence of airborne transmission and the threat of long Covid manifested in.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

A series of choices.

[Kinsey Schofield]

Young people lacked both real choice in the matter and information about what was being chosen for us.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Now, I would say that Most children of COVID 19 would say what was stolen from them was their very childhoods. That they lost at least one year of school, one year of socialization, that they were inculcated with a terrifying degree of fear and paranoia that is not going to serve them well. They can't break it out. And here we Have a celebuspawn who is only there by dint of her famous parents. Okay? That's the only reason she's got that platform. And she's standing there lecturing us behind a mask. That is just. She does not. Look, I've said this on Megyn Kelly's show. This girl is not well, but not for the reasons that she thinks.

[Kinsey Schofield]

I just want to announce that I'm getting my tubes tied after watching that. Like, I'm getting my tubes tied. I refuse.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

But you would not spawn this. You would not create this.

[Kinsey Schofield]

That is true. I mean, this is a political free zone. But President Trump has repeatedly criticized the UN saying, like, what's its purpose?

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

The UN does nothing. We all know this. It's done nothing forever practically since its inception. So it's like.

[Kinsey Schofield]

But is that not. Did we just not witness that? I mean, did we just not witness that? Like, the UN is nothing but a glorified stage for a paranoid Nepo baby? I mean, that's what I just witnessed. And by the way, I've seen her in Brentwood without a mask on. So, you know, practice what you preach.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Yeah. Like, what is going on? I mean, my favorite Violet Affleck stories in recent memory are her being papped walking around LA with a. A designer Chloe bag that if you want to buy at resale, it's going to cost you, minimum, a thousand dollars of her writing in a. A paper for Yale, which was picked up by the Daily Mail that she gave her mother, Jennifer Garner, a ton of shit during the LA wildfires, because Jennifer Garner took them all over to the Beverly Hills Hotel or the Four Seasons. And Violet Affleck was like, what is this corporate 1% bullshit? Why are we staying? It's like the bet. Like, are you for real, kid?

[Kinsey Schofield]

Then give your handbag back.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

We want your hand back. Where was she? At Kevin Costner's? Like, we're gonna get to that charity event for first responders. And then she. Last year, she also spoke at, I believe, like, a town hall in Los Angeles. Again, behind a mask, saying why everybody needed to mask up. Like, Ben and Jen, come and get your kid.

[Kinsey Schofield]

Yeah. No, I have nothing. The meanest things I would say only to you without your poor Audi. I don't want your poor audience to judge me. I will bite.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Oh, they love it when you get mean, Kinsey.

[Kinsey Schofield]

I will bite my tongue here. But she's going to be a nightmare. Like, I'm always like, try. I'm trying to mentally prepare for Northwest. I don't think I think that Northwest is going to be such a heathen. I'm trying to mentally prepare Northwest, Kardashian, West. Yes.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Yeah.

[Kinsey Schofield]

But Violet Affleck is also going to drive us absolutely up the freaking wall as well.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

How do you not look at this girl and not only think like, you know, that's a parenting fail, like you have a 19 year old who is paranoid delusional, by the way, from what I've read, wearing an N95 mask all the time can actually cause illness. Okay? Like, it can make you sick. It's gonna wreak havoc on her skin. And there's something very disturbing about wanting to create a physical barrier between yourself and the world at this age. It is very, very telling. And I think this all feels. I mean, listen, she did it first, she did it best. Greta Thunberg walked so Violet Affleck could run. You know, Violet, come back to us when you've got a flotilla organized. Okay?

[Kinsey Schofield]

Priorities. I just look at this and I think Ben Affleck and Jennifer Garner, who? Jennifer Gar. Seems like a really nice person. I hate to be critical of her, but why would you put your child in? Why would you not discourage her from this? Because she makes herself a target when she goes on a stage like this and says something so medically ludicrous. Ludicrous. And something so polarizing. Because a lot of people have struggled post Covid and do feel like they lost things. And I'm not talking about people. I'm talking about opportunities, friends, money, jobs. People are going to resent this. Understand why they would allow her to put herself in this position. It doesn't seem like good guidance.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Listen, I take everything you're saying and this, this is, you are the good hearted, you are the good witch, I'm the bad witch. And I'm going to tell you, don't feel any sympathy for Violet Affleck because she is using unearned fame, her parents fame and her wealth and her privilege to get herself over. She thinks she deserves to be standing at the UN and she thinks that she's got all the answers and should be telling all of us how to live our lives in fear, cowering behind masks because it'll make her feel better. And that is some narcissism. And I wonder where she got it from. Just saying, oh, yeah.

[Kinsey Schofield]

I mean, if there's a villain here, I'm. Aside from Violet, it's definitely Ben Affleck, who I think is more politically outspoken but still tries to. I think tries to. He doesn't try to straddle at all. We know he's a liberal. However, I do think he tries to avoid the conversation more than other. More than other celebrities. And I appreciate that because I think that it's easier to accept these people falling into these roles as these characters that they're playing when you know very little about their personal life. And he's even said that he's like, I hated being married to Jennifer Lopez because everything was out there. Like, as an actor, I need some mystery. But yeah, I think that she probably is a lot like her father and in her most obnoxious qualities. I mean, the man does have a giant dragon tattooed on his back here.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

I'm going to lay out my theory of the case because I've been thinking about this. Of two of their three children have what seemed like major issues. Violet with her mask, hysteria. And their other teenage child, who identified as non binary or male for a while, trans, now seems to be going back to being a girl. Whatever. This is my theory of the case and product of a difficult home. So I can extrapolate, I think logically, I think that Jennifer Garner, for the bulk of that marriage and those children, their upbringing was more invested in Ben and his gambling and his drinking and his womanizing and what he's up to and trying to save that marriage, that that's where all of her attention went. And these kids needed some way of getting some attention in that house. And if you got to pathologize yourself in some way to get your parents eyeballs finally on you and going, hey, kid, what's going on with you? You're going to do whatever it takes. And I think this is what we're seeing. This is the direct result. And as usual in homes like these, and again, just my theory, it's usually the youngest one who emerges, like with the fewest scars and the most laissez faire and easygoing because they've been buffeted from the worst of it by the older ones.

[Kinsey Schofield]

Wow.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Just my theory.

[Kinsey Schofield]

Hot take. I love that hot take. Because you even saw once they separated that she still had to constantly step into Baby Ben Aspen.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

She chose to do that. Yeah. They were divorced.

[Kinsey Schofield]

Yes.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

And I always thought that was sick. That was sick. You're divorced. He's not your problem.

[Kinsey Schofield]

Post divorce, we are getting paparazzi shots of them in line at a McDonald's or a Jack in the box and he's looking completely wrecked in the backseat. And there she is in the front seat taking care of him. So I do. I mean, I've had this conversation with you about Harry and Meghan where I feel like Harry was attracted to Megan because she mothered him. And I think you're exactly right when it comes to Ben Affleck and Jennifer Garner. Jennifer Garner was taking care of this adult man who couldn't control himself and had all of these vices. And maybe their children did lack the amount.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Ben was her favorite child, 100%. Ben was and is her favorite child. Just my theory of the case. And unfortunately, Kinsey, we have to leave it there.

[Kinsey Schofield]

Thank you.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Next up, our tribute to Robert Redford. Plus, we pick up the Amy Griffin latest. And I've got a message to the man. I believe. I believe my opinion has been wrongfully accused by her. We have a Gwyneth rebrand. Your feedback and more. Back in a minute. Hey, it is Medicare annual enrollment time, and if you're of a certain age, your mailbox is stuffed, your phone is blowing up with robocalls and texts, and it is a nightmare. So let's just cut through the noise, okay? This is the one Medicare message you need to hear. The truth is, Medicare plans change every year. So even if you're happy with Your current plan, 2026 could screw you over. If you don't check what's coming, you could actually lose coverage for the treatments you need. That is why I am telling you about Chapter your go to Medicare partner. They're not like those other shady brokers, the ones that the DOJ allegedly just said sued for pushing plans that pad their own wallets. Chapter is different. They dig through every plan in the country to make sure that you are getting the real deal. And on average, they save people $1,100 per year. Nobody wants to deal with this stuff. Okay, so chapter makes it quick, under 20 minutes. And they will check if your plan is still the best for 2026. If it is, great, you're set. But if it's not, they will help you switch. No bs, no pushy sales, just real talk from people who know their stuff. So call 573-654-7335 and feel confident about your Medicare.

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[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

We are back. So while we were away, we lost a true American original, Robert Redford. Now, I've been posting about him and I Talked about him with Megyn Kelly on her show last Friday. And I am still deep in my own RR retrospective. Right now I'm watching Up Close and Personal, which I've never seen. But Megan on her show told me that she was like, you gotta watch it. It's great. So I'm halfway through it and I'm really enjoying it. It's a real 90s movie. And what's interesting is, you know, he's much older than Michelle Pfeiffer. He's her mentor, and she's this up and coming newswoman. And so far, like, they're the point I'm at in the movie. They're involved like they're having a full blown love affair, but they've not kissed on screen, like, at all. And you know what this reminds me of? If you've never seen Charade, which I believe is 1963. Cary Grant, Audrey Hepburn, treat yourself okay? This movie is incredible. And Cary Grant notoriously, famously did not want to take the role because he said, imagine this happening today. It would never. He said it would look unseemly for a man his age to be romancing a woman so much younger, such as Audrey Hepburn. And the way they got around it, because they really wanted him for the role was to make sure that it was all done very tastefully and playfully. And there's this incredible scene where they're at a nightclub and they're doing this game with like an orange and everybody. It's incredibly like they just don't make them like that anymore. And Charade is just. I think I've seen it 30 times at least. Never. I think I would put that up against Breakfast at Tiffany's. Audrey at her most stylish. The opening scene, skiing, like Stod. I think that's where they are. Oh, my God. Okay, anyway, back to Robert Redford. I digressed. Back to Robert Redford. I want to talk to you guys about Redford's directorial debut, the 1980 classic film Ordinary People. Now, Robert Redford did not appear in this movie, okay? It was his first directorial job. And this movie, which was based on a novel which I didn't know. I just, again, I just watched it like last week for the first time. This movie is so, so ahead of its time. It was released in 1980. It is very subtle and completely absorbing precisely because of Redford's light touch. Now, this film is about what looks like a very happy, stable family in the affluent Chicago suburb of Lake Forest. But behind closed doors, we see a difficult mother supreme in Mary Tyler Moore's Beth Jarrett and Moore. That was brilliant and bold casting against type by Redford, who I believe had to fight the studio for her. Now Moore's Beth, the mother cannot forgive her younger son Conrad, who she hates and she's probably always hated. But now her hatred is barely concealed. After the accidental son of death of their of her golden older son, Buck. The father is played by Donald Sutherland. And the father is in denial about how venomous and hateful his wife is. And how deeply his living teenage son, played by the prodigy that was a young Timothy Hutton, is suffering. So first we're going to take a look at this clip from Ordinary People.

[Maureen Callahan]

Dad, I quit the swim team.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

What?

[Kinsey Schofield]

Carol thought I knew.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Of course.

[Kinsey Schofield]

Why wouldn't I? It happened over a month ago.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Quit? When?

[Maureen Callahan]

Where have you been every night?

[Mark Bowden]

Nowhere.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Around the library mostly. Why didn't you tell us, Connie? I don't know. I didn't think it mattered. What do you mean? Why wouldn't it matter?

[Maureen Callahan]

Of course it matters.

[Kinsey Schofield]

No, that was meant for me, Calvin.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

What was meant for you?

[Kinsey Schofield]

It's really important to try to hurt me, isn't it?

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Don't you have that backwards?

[Kinsey Schofield]

Oh, and how do I hurt you? By embarrassing you in front of a friend. Poor Beth. She has no idea what her son is up to. He lies and she believes every word of it.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

I didn't lie. You did.

[Kinsey Schofield]

You lied every time you came into this house at 6:30. If it's starting all over again, the lying, the covering up, the disappearing for hours, I will not stand for it. I can't stand it. I really can't.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Well don't then.

[Mark Bowden]

Go to Europe, Connie.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Now come to me. The only reason she cares, the only reason she gives a fuck about it is cause someone else knew about it first.

[Mark Bowden]

Just stop it.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

No, you tell her to stop it. You never tell her a goddamn thing. And I know why she never came to the hospital. She's busy going to goddamn Spain and goddamn Portugal. Why should she care if I'm hung up by the balls out there?

[Kinsey Schofield]

Maybe this is how they sit around and talk at the hospital. But we're not at the hospital now.

[Mark Bowden]

You never came to the hospital. Now you know that she did.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

She had the flu and she couldn't come inside.

[Mark Bowden]

But she came.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Yeah, well, she wouldn't have had any flu if was in the hospital.

[Mark Bowden]

She would have come if was in the hospital.

[Kinsey Schofield]

Buck never would have been in the hospital.

[Mark Bowden]

That's enough.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

That is what is astonishing to me is that Robert Redford again ahead of his time and an emblem of traditional American masculinity. In this film, he. He is really depicting four different kinds of masculinity. In Buck, who exists as a mirage, as a ghost, we see him before he dies and in the accident. But in Buck, we have the outwardly strong, gorgeous, young athletic American male who inside lacked the life force of his brother Conrad, who we just saw in that clip, played by Timothy Hutton. Conrad comports himself with full vulnerability. He appears, he appears as a beta male, but he's not, because he is undeniably fighting for his own life and his own recognition. And in the father played by Donald Sutherland, what we see, again, this is appearance versus reality, like outdoors versus behind closed doors. We see what. What appears to be a healthy, rational, stable provider, a seemingly perfect father figure who nonetheless, nonetheless is. Is a weak man. He chooses his wife's versions of events every time, every time to his surviving son's extraordinary pain. And then in Judd Hirsch, who plays Conrad's therapist, you have this tough talking, no BS, New York City type who nonetheless is deeply empathetic and desperate to help Conrad heal. Now, in a nutshell. So I've been reading a lot about Redford's work, the way he worked since he died. And Judd Hirsch tells this story about, while shooting Ordinary People, he would constantly go to Redford and say, I have this idea to sort of make the scene bigger and be bigger and be more dramatic. And Redford always would say, no, no, no, no, no. Smaller, bring it down, bring it down. Because that's where you're going to get to the real emotional truth of the scene. And he said Redford was right every time. Every time. And that's a real artist. That is a true artist. Seeing the magnitude of what on paper could just seem to be a pedestrian story about an American family dealing with their own dysfunction in the face of a catastrophic accident. But he knew, and this movie came out before Oprah, before confessional culture, before everybody had a memoir and was peddling their personal pain. And Redford made this jewel of a movie. And if again, you haven't seen it, see it. Robert Redford won Best Director and Best picture at the 1981 Academy Awards for Ordinary People, beating Martin Scorsese and Raging Bull. Rightfully so. Rest in peace, Robert Redford. Now, on to Amy Griffin, subject of what I read as a scathing expose in the New York Times last week. Now, I think this is just my opinion. I'm just going to say it out loud. I think that her memoir, her quote, unquote, Memoir of being savagely, brutally, repeatedly raped as a child by a teacher who is pseudonymous in the book, but who actually exists, who is actually a real person who apparently has been in hiding since her book came out. I think that book is a lie. I think Amy Griffin made it up. We covered Amy and her book first on the Nerve back a few months ago in episode 24. So if you haven't seen that, I would encourage you to go look at that. I would encourage you to read the New York Times piece and I would encourage you to read the reader comments, which, you know, in the self selecting group of progressives and me too, cheerleaders over at the New York Times read a piece like that and say, hey, this woman is shady as fuck. You know, you got a problem on your hands. Okay? Now I would like to address the real Mr. Mason. That's the name she gave the teacher, she says raped her brutally, repeatedly and threatened to rip her teeth out. Shoved her head down a toilet in public places in her school. Nobody ever saw a thing, you know, and it is also in this, in this New York Times piece, along with the young girl who it is heavily, heavily implied, was actually raped at that school in a dress that she borrowed from Amy and who it seems then had her trauma, her story borrowed by Amy, seems. Just my opinion. I hope these people sue the shit out of Amy Griffin for defamation and, and damages. I really, really, really do, because, trust me, and Amy Griffin thinks that her billions of dollars and her powerful husband and her powerful lawyers make her bulletproof. But there is a real groundswell now of people who doubt her story rightfully so. Just my opinion. And I would bet that there are no shortage of high powered lawyers who would take on Mr. Mason's case or this young girl's case now, a woman, they would take it on contingency. No question. They'll take their piece on the back end of this because Amy's got to prove that this guy who everybody in her town of Am, her city of Amarillo, could identify, her family's very prominent, they're very wealthy, okay? Everybody in the town knows who this guy is. And this guy hasn't been seen in months. These kinds of allegations. I hope they sue her. I hope they make her life a living hell. Notice crickets from Amy's camp. Crickets since we did our piece. Crickets since we went to her first and said, hey, Amy, you're writing about a violent sexual child predator out there. Don't you think it's incumbent upon you to make sure this guy doesn't harm another child. I mean, as we know, child predators don't stop at just one. That's exceedingly rare. Don't you have a responsibility? Crickets. Hey, the New York Times went to Amy Griffin. Know what they got? They got her high powered lawyer saying, hey, this line of questioning is re traumatizing our client, who apparently writing a memoir wasn't re traumatizing. Apparently going on the likes of Oprah Winfrey and the Today show and talking to her friends, Gwyneth Paul Paltrow, that wasn't retraumatizing. Crickets. Amy, somebody's saying you might be li. Are you making it up? Crickets. Cricket. Wonder why. Wonder why people like Amy Griffin, if she is in fact lying. Just my opinion, okay? If she's lying. People like this need to have a very clear message sent to them. And that message is that no matter how much money, in fact, you have more responsibility when you have that much money and that much power, okay? You cannot go around accusing people of heinous acts that can destroy lives, reputations, careers and families that can frankly drive people to suicide. Amy. Because you need just my opinion to feel like you're special because you may have married a billionaire and you might go to all these galas and you might have bought a shit ton of celebrity friends and hung their metaphorical thumbs scalps on the wall, but it doesn't give you that dopamine hit. Just my opinion. Feeling like you got some talent, like you got something to say to offer the world. So that's just my opinion. And Mr. Mason, if you or any of your friends are listening, sue her. Now to Amy's friend, Gwyneth Paltrow, who you know she's rebranding Goop again. Goop is constantly like rebranding itself because it has yet to be truly profitable. So she's taken her G Label line of clothing, which I'll tell you, like, I enjoy, like it's high priced, but like, I will splurge once in a while and buy a piece of it. And like it's well made stuff, okay? It is really made from high end materials and it's put together well and hangs well, so whatever. But we're having trouble. And so we've re labeled it Goop. Oh, Gwen. We've relabeled it, Gwyn. We've been appearing at Fashion weeks wherever. And anyway, she posted this photo to Instagram, which the New York Post reprinted and I have to show it to you guys because as one of my friends said, to me. Does this not remind you of photos of people after 911 in New York City who are holding up photos and saying, have you seen my loved one? And once you see it, you can't unsee it. And you know, Gwyneth may want to reconsider her friendship with Amy Griffith. Griffin. Whatever. Just saying. Okay, now on to the best part of any nerve. Your feedback. First, troublemaker Paul from New Zealand has been making art for days and he made this amazing welcome back portrait nee etableau of me getting off a private plane branded the nerve Dare I Dream with Teddy Van Halen who is under the weather and could not make it today. But Paul, we love you. We love your art and I love the level of detail. There's a heart in the sky. And it's. What do you call those planes that, you know, they make the writing. Skywriting. A skywriting plane. Welcome back. Welcome back. We're so happy to be back with you, all of you. Okay, now to some emails. A question from down under from troublemaker Jen Wonder your thoughts on Hugh Jackman. He was our Aussie guy, made good. He and his now ex wife, Deborah Lee Furness, well regarded. They met on the set of a TV show and she was a major talent, brilliant actress. His career soared and she sort of took a backseat to support him. No one knows what goes on behind closed, closed doors, but her recent posts speak of betrayal. We've, we've heard this from you guys before. It doesn't surprise me. Jen writes that Mr. Ryan Reynolds and Mr. Hugh Jackman have not been sharing their mateship with us recently online as both leave a sour taste at present. Like the saying goes, you lie down with dogs, you get fleas. Excluding of course, my Teddy, who she says has her love and adoration. 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One subscription works for all your kids, saving your family time and money. Visit ixl.com 20 to get the most effective learning program out there with an exclusive 20% off. We are thrilled to welcome Mark Bowden, the renowned body language expert, best selling author who has worked with prime ministers, CEOs of Fortune 500 companies and the founder of communications company Truth Plane. He is also one of four panelists on the Must Subscribe YouTube channel, the Behavior panel. Now, if you're listening, I am going to encourage you strongly to watch this segment on YouTube. This is fascinating stuff and you really to appreciate the whole segment, you need to see what our offenders are doing to get everything out of this and what Mark is going to teach us. This is stuff that is going to help all of us get better at spotting the liars and offenders in our own lives. So first we are going to get into Jimmy Kimmel, who returned to Late Night last week while we were off and who in his return monologue denied that he said what he said about Charlie Kirk's assassin, even though what he originally said is, alas, on video. So Kimmel is attempting to gaslight America. That he lied is not in question. So to begin, Mark, I would love you to take a look at the nonverbal gestures here and tell us what Jimmy is really communicating to us in this first clip of Kimmel crying while explaining away his original comments. Here we go.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

But I do want to make something clear because it's important to me as a human, and that is you understand that it was never my intention to make light of the murder of a young man. I don't think there's anything funny about it. I posted a message on Instagram of the day he was killed sending love to his family and asking for compassion. And I meant it, and I still do. Nor was it my intention to blame any specific group for the actions of what it was obviously a deeply disturbed individual.

[Kinsey Schofield]

Mark.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Welcome. And please help us decipher what Jimmy was saying, non verbally versus what he was actually articulating.

[Mark Bowden]

Yeah, lovely. Look, there's a big difference between the speech that he did when he got into this trouble and what he's doing here. Listen, the original monologue, very scripted, very confident in the way that he puts it across and he sticks to the script. I believe at the time when he was saying that he didn't believe he was going to get into any trouble around this at all. Now, look, people are going to have their judgments about them. Yes and no. Was it good? Was it bad? That's okay. You can have your judgments about that. But based on his body language originally, I don't think he thought he was going to get himself into hot water around this. Now, when he comes to this apology, what I would say is what we get at the start of this is a lot of lip compressions. That's when the lips go tight together. This is to kind of say, look, I've got some stuff to say about this, but I'm not going to say that. Okay. I've got some attitude on this, but I'm going to keep that attitude to myself. There's a lot of head bowing before he goes into this moment that you chose there. That's kind of contrite, maybe humble. Now you're right. It could be performative. So he's performing the idea of this stuff. I don't want to say I'm humble. I'm contrite about this. And there's some self soothing in his hands as well. So there's a whole different concern in this monologue that we're showing here that wasn't in the original monologue. He knows he's in trouble, essentially, and he's trying to get himself out of that trouble. Now, I would say based on what I heard there, okay. In the wavering of the voice, it's quite honest what's going on there. There is some emotion there. Now. Is it emotion because he's apologetic, or is it emotion because he feels that he's wrongly accused? I'm not a mind reader, so I can't get into his head, but certainly there is some real emotion that's happening there now. Is it the emotion of being caught and annoyed about that and wrongly accused in his mind, or is it the emotion of being truly apologetic? I think that's for viewers to decide. What do you think?

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Well, we're going to show the original monologue at the end of our Jimmy portion of this segment because I would like to have you contrast his body language, his posture, the way in which he is positioning himself to the camera, speaking directly to the camera, which is really to all of us. I don't believe he's contrite because he has not issued a full apology. In today's culture, what passes for an apology is full of qualifiers. I am sorry if. If you misunderstood my intention, which was perhaps at odds with the very thing I did or said. That is not an apology. That's a qualified sorry that you, the offended, got it wrong. And what I found interesting about that initial segment, and we're gonna play another part of that apology, is when he gets into what I believe is his dissembling, he begins to. His eyes move away from center camera off to the side. So he's no longer addressing American audiences at home. He's over here and his hand is now above his chest line, which according to the expert lie detector Phil Holloway and spy the lie. Anytime gestures begin up here, it's A sign of. Of. Of dissembling, if not outright lying.

[Mark Bowden]

Well, look, here's what I'd say about that. When gestures come high, they tend to be more passionate. And. And they will. They will look more passionate, and they will look less authentic. Now, again, no body language analyst is a mind reader. In order to work out what somebody's actually thinking and feeling, you have to hear what they're saying and put it alongside.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Exactly.

[Mark Bowden]

Body language they're using.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Yeah, exactly.

[Mark Bowden]

Now, what you've just done there is exactly to do that, which is, you know, in your mind, the. What he's saying doesn't match what he's doing. And I think you're right about. About that in that there is a disconnect between what he's saying and. And what he's doing in a way that the two things are not disconnected in the original monologue. So there's a whole bunch of confidence in the original monologue and way less confidence in this apology. Now, is it?

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Mark, would you not. Would you explain to the audience exactly why it is that gestures above the chest plate sort of connote perhaps deception?

[Mark Bowden]

Yeah. Well, look, there is no one gesture that denotes deception.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Right.

[Mark Bowden]

Okay. Just. That's. That's just not a thing. Okay.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

It could possibly be taken by other behaviors.

[Mark Bowden]

Yeah. When put in a cluster, it could be that. Here's what we know is this. If my hands come to chest height and I try and give you facts and figures and the truth, you're less likely to believe them as being accurate. You're more likely to believe them as being exaggerated. Because when hands come higher, heart rate, breathing rate, blood pressure go up.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Wow.

[Mark Bowden]

Yeah. You know that. And you mirror that in your own mind, and you go, mark is excited. Therefore, his facts and figures are excited. The truth is excited. It's maybe not truthful, but passionate. If my hands are down at navel height here, you're more likely to feel like I'm being honest and truthful with you. Now, does that mean I'm being honest and truthful with you? No, not at all. Because I can perform these things. So a good performer can convince you more of the truth while being dishonest and a bad.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

So we are perhaps leveling what could be the worst insult. One could level it level at Jimmy Kimmel. Maybe he's not that great a performer.

[Mark Bowden]

Well, maybe.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Let's take a look at the. At the second part of this and then have you get back into it on the other side.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

For those who think I did point a finger, I get why you're upset. If the situation was reversed, there's a good chance I'd have felt the same way. I have many friends and family members on the other side who I love and remain close to, even though we don't agree on politics at all. I don't think the murderer who shot Charlie Kirk represents anyone. This was a sick person who believed violence was a solution, and it isn't.

[Mark Bowden]

Hmm.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

What do you make of those gestures? The positioning of his body in front of the camera at the beginning? Again, he's off center. He's not looking at the. At the audience at home. And he's got a lot of gestures that seem to indicate we're making a mess of things. We're trying to clean it up.

[Mark Bowden]

Yeah. So he could be looking at the image of himself and checking out that his image is coming across. Right. He could be looking at written boards which are telling him what to say next. Like, every now and again, you'll see my eye contact go across to here because it goes to watch your reaction to what I'm saying, because I'm looking right down a camera lens right now, and then my eyes go just off to the side to see your reaction to what I'm saying. So you wouldn't want to misjudge the body language happening there for emotion when it might be about the technicalities of. Of the. Of the TV situation there. Here's what I would say about the body language. His hands do come down to what I call the truth plane here, which will look like, if you don't have a bias either way, it will look like to your instinct that he's being more honest. Now, if you've got a bias that he's a dishonest liar, you're not going to see any of that. Okay. Because here's what you need to understand. Body language is more of a Rorschach test, an inkblot test on what you're thinking and feeling. You will project your thinking and feeling onto people's behaviors. On the whole, you're not a good mind reader at all. Nobody is a really good body language reader. What it tends to be is. Is a projection of their own impressions. Here. Here's what I'd say as an analyst of this. Not trying to read body language, but analyzing it. This is going to look more truthful to people. This will look more passionate. He was asymmetrical at one point. That will look more dishonest to people who are looking for dishonesty. This will look more honest for people who are Looking for honesty. And this will look more dishonest up at chest height for people who are looking for dishonesty.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Well, I think, you know, Mark, to your point, and we're going to look at his original, and we will see, I think, quite a different stance.

[Mark Bowden]

You're right.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

So in every single way. And we're going to hear a different sort of full throatedness as opposed to this sort of hesitancy in the voice and the quivering and all of that body language. And you're an expert in this for a reason. You deal with Fortune 500 CEOs, prime ministers for a reason. There is an evolutionary adaptation. We look to find who is truthful in our cohort and who is not, because it is a matter of survival. It's a matter of who we elect. It's a matter of who we marry. It's all of these things. So, yes, we may be bringing some of our own prejudice to it. Do I want to. Do I want to prove that Jimmy Kimmel is a liar? No. Do I think he is? Yeah. Yeah, I do. So let's take a look at this. Let's take a look at this and come back at it.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

We had some new lows over the weekend with the original MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to. To score political points from it.

[Mark Bowden]

Yes. So as you rightly say, radically different. Okay. If we use this as the baseline. If we use this as the baseline of. This is his usual performance when he has a script. He's been over that script a number of times. He's happy about how it's written. We've now got the hands more what we'd call kind of squeezing the melon there. Okay. Rather than. When he's doing that apology, his hands go into more of a pleading mode, more of an upholding of something. He's. He's holding something in his. Between his hands here. And in the apology, he's going here with supplicant. Supplicant. Exactly. So I would. I would say he is looking in his apology to get approval around that. Okay, so he's looking for people to go, you know what, Jimmy, you're all right. We understand. All is forgiven. He's got a certain outcome. Whereas in the monologue, he's trying to get, you know, a point across, a joke across, maybe a political point across again, depending on your. On your viewpoint and. And to your point of. Of, you know, for survival. We're Always looking for the truth, for survival. We're always trying as well to support the liars who are part of our group. Lying is an important social skill. Accepting lies is an important social skill. Accepting the lies of the people who hold resource within your group is an important social skill. So all of this is social. If you don't feel yourself part of Jimmy's group, you're not going to support his lying. If you do find yourself part of Jimmy's group, you will support his lying and vice versa.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

I take that to a point, Mark. I will take that to a point. But what really, really, aside from the gestures or the position of the body, the eye contact, whatever, verbally, what strikes me is he said that thing that we all just watched and saw, and then six, seven nights later, having had plenty of time to rehearse this most consequential address to the nation, he qualified it and blamed anybody else who didn't understand his. Like, that is the issue, I think, to me, this, this transcends politics. This is exactly. You said it. Now you're saying you didn't say it. Don't gaslight us. Yes, we've got it on tape. Now I want to move on to Priscilla Presley, who is on this media tour for her new memoir and is also right now at the center of a lawsuit filed against her by two of her former business partners alleging that she pulled the plug on her daughter Lisa Marie, prematurely. Despite Lisa Marie's stated written wishes that all, all measures be taken should she be an extremist to keep her alive, she went on the Today show and told this version of. Again, her. Her combatants in this lawsuit say she was at the bedside, pulled the plug. Here is, here is Priscilla's version of events on the Today show on September 22.

[Priscilla Presley]

We had seen each other just two days before. She seemed fine. We talked. We, you know, were, you know, we were actually going to see the movie on Elvis. And we were a little nervous about how that was going to turn out. And then we walked and I. She said to me after we came out of the theater, you want to go and have a drink? You know, And I said, sure, let's do it. And then about two minutes later, she said, mom, I don't think I can do it. I said, what's the matter? And she said, my stomach, my stomach really, really hurts. I've been having a hard time with it. And I go, okay, you know, whatever you need to do. And she goes, you know, I'll talk to you tomorrow. I said, okay. The next Day, you know, I waited. I thought she was going to give me a call. And then I get a call from that Lisa, you know, was in the hospital as we knew it and that she passed.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

What do you make of it, Mark?

[Mark Bowden]

Okay, so the main piece of non verbal communication I would like you and the viewers to pay attention to is what I call a vocal click. And that's when you hear her mouth make that noise there. You're hearing that on my mic.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

I've been known to do it myself. So I'm a little hesitant as to what you're gonna say. Go for it. Go for it.

[Mark Bowden]

Be careful of that. Be careful of that. Because I want you to go back and take a look at where those vocal clicks come. And I would say they will give you an idea of what she is more unsure about. More unsure about. Now, does that again mean she's being deceptive? There's not enough of a cluster here for me to see pure deception. Because look, she's. She's nailed herself down to being very still. At the same time, she's not doing a lot. At the start of this interview. By the way, as this interview opens up, we didn't see it there, but there's a big adjustment. Adjustment at the start that she.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

I noticed that she noticed she really adjusts her entire body absolutely On a sofa. She's got no armrests, no nothing. And she's automatically like reorienting herself. What's that about?

[Mark Bowden]

Well, she's very uncomfortable here. Now, is she uncomfortable here because she knows some difficult question is going to come up, or is she uncomfortable here because, you know, she's out promoting her book? When I was analyzing this, I had no understanding of the news, just as I'd seen none of Kimmel's speech before. Haven't seen any of this stuff that we're looking at before. So I'm coming to it completely fresh, going, here's what I see. What I see here is somebody uncomfortable in the interview and then trying to do as little as possible to give as little information non verbally as possible. But these vocal clicks are coming out and I would want to go back on those and go, where are those clicks specifically coming before or after? What are they most adjacent to? Because I would say that is the information that I would be that she might be questioning the most. So there was something there about. That's the last. That's the last I heard from her. And yeah, and I mean, there's some stuff there where I, where I would go. But was It. But was that. Was there something else that I would ask? Was there something else? Did she say something else? Did you see her later on, actually, like, tell me that story again. Because she feels unsure of parts of that story. I would want to interview her more and get more detail on that.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

I'm also noticing in her telling again, we're talking about the last days and hours of her only daughter's life and then her. What seems like a sudden death. And there seems to be an amazing lack of detail. It all sounds very generic and sanded down and even the way we're relaying it sounds as though, well, we were supposed to meet up for a movie and she never showed. Not like, you know, okay, so now we're going to go to Priscilla. She's also had a very allegedly fractious relationship with her granddaughter Riley, Lisa Marie's eldest daughter and the heir to Graceland. And Riley. There was an email that was just made public in which Riley said, I can't believe you've made me lawyer up before I can even bury my mother. Why are you coming at me? Here's Priscilla insisting that she and Riley have a great relationship. Same interview. Here we go.

[Priscilla Presley]

Riley and I are very, very close. In fact, we just spent the time together the day before yesterday. And she's amazing. I mean, she truly is. I love her to death. She's, you know, she's her own person, did her own thing at a very young age.

[Mark Bowden]

Yeah, it's interesting. I love her to death. And the shaking of the head.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Yes. Okay. The con. The difference between. Okay, the absolute disconnect. It's a very difficult thing to do. I did this exercise once to say something in the affirmative, but shake your head back and forth in the negative, please, Mark, dig into that.

[Mark Bowden]

Yeah, look, either. Look, there's two ways you could take this. It's unfortunate that she says, I love her to death because has there not just been a death in the family? So that's Riley's mom. Well, you could go, so. So, you know, Freudians might go, okay, that's a bit of a Freudian slip there. I mean, do you want her dead? Is that. Are you asking for that? So we could go. Is there a hidden desire in there? Or we could go, look, that was just unfortunate, the shaking of the head on. I love her to death. Now, either that could be you don't. You don't love her and you may want her death, okay, you don't love her. Or it could be the. The shaking of the head to a presumed Question of do you hate her? And she's going, I don't hate her. But she's answering, I love her to death. But the question wasn't do you hate your dad?

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Exactly. It was a very vague, open ended softball.

[Mark Bowden]

Right. So she's answering a question that she's potentially answering a question that hasn't been asked with this gesture here. So look, throughout all of this, what we'd be doing if we were live in the room with this person is we'd be digging in more about this. We'd be going, well, hang on, what do you. What do you mean by that's unfortunate lover to death? I mean, tell me more about that. Tell me, tell me about your love of her. So I'd be, I'd be digging more into that now. We're not in this situation.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

We're not. You know what, Mark? No. Because you and I would never be hired to host a morning television program in America for exactly this reason. We're prosecutors. Okay, I want to go into one more with Priscilla before we move on to the mother of all. And I think our troublemakers can guess who this is. Priscilla is finally asked by Savannah Guthrie. Hey, you've got two people suing you claiming some pretty ghoulish stuff that you basically allegedly reportedly killed your own daughter. Here we go. You still have a legal issue with your former business partners, and they've made some pretty damning allegations in their papers that you and your lawyer have denied.

[Priscilla Presley]

Is there anything you want to say about those claims? Yeah, don't believe what you read.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Yeah.

[Priscilla Presley]

Yes, it's going well. I mean, I can't complain. I have good people. But yeah, it's the papers that come out and make it worse and make it really. I mean, we're having an issue for sure, but it's getting resolved.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Mark.

[Mark Bowden]

Okay. Some nice stuff there. A lot of stuff there. Packed with stuff. Look, don't believe what you. You read. And a vocal papers.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Yeah.

[Mark Bowden]

So I would instantly go, okay, I should maybe believe some or all of what I'm reading about this because she's uncertain there about. Don't believe what you read when the interviewer starts asking the questions. We see the sides of the mouth kind of suck in here. That's a bitter taste, an alkaloid taste in the mouth. She's bitter about this. Now, listen, why wouldn't you be? You're getting sued about stuff.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Or is she bitter about the question?

[Mark Bowden]

She may be. That's very true. She may be bitter about. About the question again. We saw that move right at the start of the interview that says, I'm uncomfortable with this. She probably knows some difficult questions are gonna come up and she doesn't. I think she'd rather be asking. Answering questions about her book, which is just out rather than this, this issue that is, that is. Well, I mean, heated up, I guess some interest around the book as well. So.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

So there is terrible book.

[Mark Bowden]

You know, there is that. But. But yeah, there is some, there is some bitterness there around the situation. There is some uncertainty around that. Look, she doesn't like this situation at all. But then.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

No, no. And what I'm noticing about her too is we all know exactly what Savannah's dancing around. I think the word damning is actually quite gentle given the allegation. And it seems as though if you are innocent of said charge, you would be full throated. You would have maybe a posture that's more aggressive. You would have an expression that is more open rather than a mouth that's sucks in as if to suck in your words before they come out so you don't say something that is self incriminating. I'm not saying, I'm just saying that it looks strange.

[Mark Bowden]

Well, innocent people, in my experience and in the literature that we see around this, they tend to protest their innocence immediately, vehemently and loudly. Okay. That we're not. Not really. It's, it's very subtle and it's very quiet and it's very gentle and it's not really a protesting of innocence, just of other circumstance.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Yes, yes. All right. Well, I'm sure this will not be the last we see of one Priscilla Presley, this ghoul on the, on the public stage. We're going to move into our final segment with Mark. Our final subjects, the British royal family. First we're going to look at this banger which went viral on Instagram. This is Catherine, Princess of Wales, really engaging and connecting with first lady Melania Trump. While Queen Camilla seems to look like an embittered third wheel who's trying to work her way into this scenario. Let's take a look. So if you're watching, here is Kate face to face, gesturing with Melania. They're smiling, nodding at each other. Camilla has turned away and is looking around absently. Now we see Camilla take her white glove and literally tap Catherine like, time to go. Take your leave. Go that way. Go, go the other way. Mark, this is amazing to me. Now the official line apparently was that Camilla was just letting Catherine know a carriage was coming. Believe would be the job of Catherine's aids, not the Queen of England. What do you make of it?

[Mark Bowden]

Well, you know, if you look at the full video, a carriage does come solidly into shot and very, very close. I would say that we're not seeing a shoo away gesture. That would be, be that. Okay, okay. It is, it is a tap of, of, of getting attention.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Okay.

[Mark Bowden]

And, and then a gesture towards the vehicle coming in at the back. In the, in the full context, it does look to me like she's warning of what's coming in on, on the back. Now, if, if, if it shows me anything, it's that the Queen at this point is not that interested in the conversation that's going on with Melania. She is very interested in. In Kate, who. She gives a full up and down.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Look to Melania does.

[Mark Bowden]

No, the queen looks at Camilla does. Yes. Camilla looks at Kate, gives her a full up and down looks at Melania and then checks back. And I would say it's her saying, look at what you've got here. Like, this is a strong. This is a strong contender. Look at how she's dressed. Yeah. And she's checking out how much attention Kate is getting there. Catherine's getting there.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

So it's a rivalry thing, you think?

[Mark Bowden]

I think she's playing her piece. She's playing her piece on Melania. She's going, look at that piece, look at that. And then warning the piece. Hey, just move out the way. You might get struck by a carriage. So she is protecting her piece.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Her piece.

[Mark Bowden]

Yeah, of the chessboard, her player.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Oh, so you read her. You read Camilla turning away with the eyes sort of gliding away. Not as being shut out of the conversation or feeling that she is being boxed out. You think it's completely different.

[Mark Bowden]

No, I think it's completely different that actually a piece has been played. Yeah. To Melania. Look who we've got here. Look at, look at the status of this person. Now, I don't need to engage with you anymore because look who you've got here.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Interesting.

[Mark Bowden]

And now she protects her piece and goes. Okay, just step back. Yeah, it's. It's actually more divisive and caring what's going on here. And the rivalry is, is with Melania.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Interesting. Okay, now we are going to take a look at Meghan Markle, who. Her head, she's popped back up again. And she's doing her best to upstage her husband. And those being honored at an event held by Kevin Costner for. It was a charity event, a concert for first responders. Hey, you save lives for A living. Are you a duchess in Montecito? I don't think so. We're going to take a look at this from a YouTube channel called, called Royal Short Stories.

[Narrator from Royal Short Stories]

Now, Harry actually had a role. He was invited to hand out an award to first responders. Cue Meghan lurking at the sidelines like a reality show. Extra beaming at the cameras with a smile that screamed, I'm totally fine not being on stage, guys. Except, yeah, no one was buying it. One clip zoomed in on her standing in the corner, and the whole thing gave major the office cringe vibes. You could practically hear her inner monologue.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Mark, what do you make of it?

[Mark Bowden]

Yeah, I mean, the narration there, beaming with a smile. There's no eyes in her smile at that point. Yeah. So it's just the sides of the mouth turned up and no narrowed eyes, which show these little dark areas there which will tell somebody, an observer from a distance, that it's a true smile. She's not truly smiling from that distance. She doesn't. She doesn't like what's happening here. There's also a lot of lip compression there, which could be, again, withheld opinion and. Or could be anger around this situation. So she's not happy. She potentially could be angry. She's definitely holding back what she thinks of this as she comes on. We didn't sit there, but she comes.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Oh, she's coming on. She's coming out.

[Mark Bowden]

We're gonna see that. Okay.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Yes. Let's do it.

[Mark Bowden]

Let's have a look.

[Narrator from Royal Short Stories]

Megan snatched the mic mid event like it was a prop in a high school improv show, sparking the most awkward charity cameo.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Oh, that was from a prior event. That was Megan, as she always does, body blocking her husband from getting the microphone and then grabbing onto it and pushing the woman handing the mic out of the way.

[Mark Bowden]

Yeah. In this particular situation, she doesn't manage to do that maneuver. Okay. That is her classic maneuver to insert herself into the relationships. In this situation, she comes to the side. We see her just tuck her hair a little bit casually. Finger, you know, which is. Listen, if your hair's in your way, you well know. I know we've both got, you know, relatively similar hair, in fact, you know, but, you know, if you're really trying to tuck your hair, you have to use your whole hand if you don't want it to come in front of your face. This is a grooming gesture. This is to say, look at the quality of my hair. Look at the wealth that I have. Look at my good genetic code. Yeah. Look at my diet. Yeah. Look at the chemicals that I can afford, essentially, certainly with me. Anyway, so, so, so look, you know, she is, she comes on, she grooms, she tries to insert herself. She doesn't manage it. She goes back and now she has to look at it from a distance.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Oh, okay. This is the, this is the third part. This is the third we're going to take. Look at this on. This is from the Costner event.

[Narrator from Royal Short Stories]

The result, a whole lot of second hand embarrassment. Harry did his best to muddle through the speech while Meghan's pasted on grin melted faster than a popsicle in a Santa Barbara heat wave. Cameras caught her craning her neck, clapping way too hard, then sidling behind Harry to grab his hand like an overzealous stage mom. And let's not ignore the irony. Here they are the Sussexes at an event honoring first responders after being roasted.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

So she again, if you're not listening, she comes up behind Harry, whose body is pivoted away from her and towards one of the event hosts. She taps him on the back, seemingly surprising him. He seems to recoil slightly before putting his arm around her, then turns back again and she is left to do nothing but haplessly wave to the audience and take her leave.

[Mark Bowden]

Yeah, her wave was very, very small as well.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Agreed.

[Mark Bowden]

When she walks on, tiny little wave. So she's, she's not coming on confident in the first place. Okay. She makes, as you rightly say, she makes this tap gesture to make contact with him and just kind of comes around his arm. He replies somewhat with that, but then drops the gesture and turns away and then she retreats. So at this point, I would say she is not confident coming on. He gave her zero confidence to stay there.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Yeah.

[Mark Bowden]

And she, you know, scuttles back to, to the side of the stage. Not a good look. If you're trying to look confident, look like you're meant to be there or trying to insert yourself there in a, in a powerful way. She kind of. It was a, it was a retreat. So she achieved. It was a retreat she retrieved. She, she achieved very little in that one.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

And you know, it's interesting because finally Harry, is he finding at least one testicle? You know, it's like he's making it clear to us she is an interloper here. And I don't want her here either. This is my moment or my moment for the first response.

[Mark Bowden]

Well, in the past, what we might have seen is him sharing the mic or her going over and getting the mic you know, there would be more of a. Now there is. There was zero of that. She didn't even feel like she could stay next to him.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Exactly, exactly. Now to our final royals video. This is amazing. Prince William standing next to Prince Andrew following the Duchess of Kent's funeral. And this is. I mean, William is dying here. Let's take a look. So if you're watching, they're standing next to each other. William is looking away. Andrew leans in to whisper. William turns to him, but does not turn his body toward him at all. Nods vaguely, raises himself up a bit, rubs his nose. And now William is not even engaging as his uncle talks. He will not look in his direction. And in fact, now we're going to start leaning away from our disgraced uncle. What do you make of it?

[Mark Bowden]

Yeah, well, look, there would have been some chat immediately at the palace after that going, who allowed Andrew next to him? Who let that happen? How did that work? Because that should have never have even happened. That picture shouldn't even be available. So either there's some, there's some, you know, bad PR work gone on there, or Andrew managed to sidle his way in there and nobody stopped him. Yeah, absolutely. The, the king in waiting, essentially. There is, is not enjoying this at all. You see that rock on those heels? You see that, that soothing gesture?

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Yes.

[Mark Bowden]

That adapter gesture around the nose, you.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Call it an adapter?

[Mark Bowden]

An adapter, yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

What does that mean?

[Mark Bowden]

Well, it means that the world isn't quite right. And because you can't alter what isn't right about the world, you alter something. You can alter. You move something around your face, you maybe, you know, move something around your hands, you move something in your clothing. Because you can't, at this point remove Andrew because it's, it's too late.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

He won't go.

[Mark Bowden]

He won't go. He's found his way in there. It would look worse if you removed him. You can't do anything. You, you see how he removes his eyes off into the sky somewhere?

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Yeah.

[Mark Bowden]

We know there's nothing happening over there. There's no fly past of any aircraft. There's nothing happening over there. So why does he do that? Because he's trying to find anywhere else to be but in a relationship with this person. A little bit later on, he starts forming a little relationship with, with, with somebody quite a distance away from.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Yes.

[Mark Bowden]

To make a clear point to Andrew, don't even engage anymore. Don't even engage.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Exactly. And, and, and one would sense that in the incredibly media savvy Prince William who was born to this. He knows that that is also going to be a clip that will go just as viral. Him, William trying to, frankly, literally remove himself from this frame in its entirety and speak to somebody whose name nor title we do not know.

[Mark Bowden]

Yeah, we don't know who that is, but. Anybody for an out at this point. Anybody for an out.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

I love it. I love it. Mark, this has been the most fun. I can only imagine what drinks with you are like.

[Mark Bowden]

Well, let's organize it. Let's organize it.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Let's do it.

[Mark Bowden]

You bring the cameras, I'll buy the drinks. How about you?

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

You got it. Thank you so much for coming on the Nerve. And we look forward to hopefully having you back to break down repeat offenders in the culture.

[Mark Bowden]

My pleasure. Anytime you like.

[Co-host (possibly Teddy Van Halen)]

Thanks, Mark. That was Mark Bowden, body language expert extraordinaire. And that does it for our Tuesday edition. Packed, right? Packed edition. We will be back again on Friday. We have so much in the hopper for you. I don't even really want to say what we're working on because things are moving around and shifting. We've got timelines with people who are doing live events, people offenders who are coming to New York City. You know, we're on alert. We're on high alert, or just bat signal us. Okay, we've got it all. So see you back here for our usual time at Friday. And then starting next week, we'll be seeing you three times a week, plus a half on Saturday. Brace yourselves. Okay. In the meantime, dm, email us and we will see you again Friday right here at the Nerve, where you will never guess what we're about to say next.

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