Kinsey Schofield (3:16)

I know, and I mean, the Times in London had some exclusives, some exclusive sourcing, clearly from the Mark camp, where we did get a little bit of insight into what was in that letter. And she says she's never going to reconcile with him and that she's not calling him because she doesn't want to be overheard and that her ultimate issue is that, you know, he talks to the media. Well, girl, somebody from your team is talking to the media. Because the Times sure has incredible details about what's going on inside of this.

Maureen Callahan (3:46)

People magazine always has the latest what's going on in Megan's head. I wonder how exactly.

Kinsey Schofield (3:53)

The hypocrisy is just adorable. But, yeah, you know, you would think that the letter would say something along the lines of, I'm so sorry that you're going through this. I wish you weren't going through this. You know, you've talked to so many experts on your program about narcissism. And one thing that I saw a lot of people say before she actually sent the letter was usually these are the type of events that just clears the slate and it brings people back together. Not Megan Markle. This bitch can hold a grudge. Okay? And so to send your father, who could be on his deathbed, he's not in the clear yet. And she doesn't know his status except for the maybe one or two calls to the embassy to ensure that he's signing legal documents, we don't know if he's okay. And the fact that her. Maybe her last correspondence to him is a breakup letter is kind of bs.

Maureen Callahan (4:48)

It's so cold hearted, you know, I wanted to read part of this to you. It was a piece that came out of the Sunday New York Post. And I talked to Rob Sheffield a little bit about. Sorry, Rob Sheffield, Sheffield, Rob Shooter. About this from the sort of Hollywood angle of it, you know, but this is a woman who. We know if. If some. If something. If there's going to be a death this year. And I'm just gonna say it because I don't mean to be crass, but this is what I think Meghan thinks, okay, if you have to choose between Thomas Markle or her Netflix deal, Only one of them can live. It would be the Netflix deal, I think.

Kinsey Schofield (5:30)

If she had to choose between Thomas Markle or King Charles, you know who she'd pick? Why? Because one is still of value to her, and that's King Charles.

Maureen Callahan (5:38)

Exactly right. And this fuck wit, this absolute twat, has not the capability to realize. If you want a scintilla of a shot at salvaging anything with Netflix, you've got a holiday special promoting family and warmth over there, and it's flopping hard. And your father just got his leg amputated and is saying, just please see me before I die. And your answer to that is to send a letter that basically says, fuck off and leave me alone. My interpretation, how does she think she's going to get forward any kind of traction in Hollywood after this at any at all?

Kinsey Schofield (6:15)

Well, I mean, we know she is sniffing around Jeff Bezos. She's in that. She's got a cameo in a new MGM film. You know, I think she realizes that her days at Netflix are numbered, and so she's desperately trying to position herself in front of anybody else that could give her a deal. But you and I, we've been covering this for so long. Remember during that podcasting conference where some bigwig agents said, turns out Meghan Markle's not just not a podcasting talent, but she's not really talented at all.

Maureen Callahan (6:49)

She's not any kind of talent at all.

Kinsey Schofield (6:51)

Any kind of talent. I really feel like that that defines Meghan Markle. And anybody in Hollywood should see that the return on investment is not there. There's a difference between being influential and liked and infamous. And Megan falls under the infamous category.

Maureen Callahan (7:09)

You know, the year began, and I remember this. Actually, it feels like the blink of an eye, Kinsey, but you texted this to me right around New Year's, Megan posted a video of herself on Instagram, running on the beach with her back to the camera lens, dressed all in white, billowing white man's shirt, white jeans, running to the shoreline and jauntily writing in huge numbers in the wet sand, 2025, as if this was going to be her year. What a year it's been for her. First we had Confessions of a Female Flounder. That's what I'm naming it. That's what I'm going to refer to it in perpetuity as. It's Confessions of a Female Flounder. And that flopped. And Lemonada said, we will not be renewing it. Then with Love, Meghan came out. And then the real With Love Meghan came out. Megan with a Y. And we demolished her in numbers and eyeballs. Okay, Demolished. And then the Vanity Fair. Oh, no, sorry. The wildfires, the disaster tourism. Talk about that a little bit about the shit they caught for being what are known as disaster tourists in la.

Kinsey Schofield (8:24)

Yeah, well, the Palisades fire broke out, and Harry and Meghan went over to Pasadena, and there's a podcaster I know whose wife and daughter were volunteering at the time, and he said that his wife and daughter were told to pause their. Their efforts so that Harry and Meghan could have a private tour of the destruction.

Maureen Callahan (8:47)

Are you kidding me?

Kinsey Schofield (8:48)

No, no, no, no. Real people, they're giving their time to work.

Maureen Callahan (8:52)

Real residents. People who have suffered along with their community just doing hard, physical, emotional, economic work in the wake of this wreckage. And these two assholes. And tell everybody else to stand down because they need a private fucking tour.

Kinsey Schofield (9:09)

Yeah, exactly. And it was Justine Bateman. That's like, you're not working royals. You don't even live in Pasadena. What are you doing here? You're disaster tourists.

Maureen Callahan (9:19)

That's right.

Kinsey Schofield (9:20)

This conflicts with Megan's launch of With Love Meghan Season one and when. And I also just forgot. It's like every time she is fixated on a date and decides she wants to release something on that date, something catastrophic happens that, you know, in her. Anybody in their right mind would go, I'm going to pause. In this instance, she did. But on January 1, Harry's nanny, Tiggy Leg Burke, her. Her stepson was murdered in that New York. In that New York or New Orleans terror attack. And instead of, like, you know, pumping the brakes and going, you know what? Instead of making this all about me and relaunching my Instagram, I'm going to allow Tiggy. Tiggy, by the way, is Archie's godmother, so you'd think you'd have any sort of sense or compassion or empathy whatsoever. Then we've got the wildfires. Now, this is where Netflix steps in and says, hell to the no, We. Let's pause your show because it looks horrible if we're showing all of these visuals that have been burned to a crisp since. Since we shot this show. And so they do pause it there, but as if we actually sat down and went through the Meghan Markle timeline. Meghan releasing a wine on Princess Diana's birthday, who died at the hands of a drunk driver. So many of these dates conflict with, you know, major incidents or historical incidents that anyone in their right mind would Be like, is this a sign? Is this a sign? Should I just throw in the towel?

Maureen Callahan (10:47)

I know. You're so right about that. You know, let's talk a little bit about what I think was the sort of. It landed in the summer, if I recall correctly, and it really was an indisputable piece of evidence that the American mainstream media, the streamers are doing whatever they're doing to get the contract fulfilled, whatever. But the media itself has really had it with those two. They put Harry and Meghan on the COVID and the headline was American Hustle.

Kinsey Schofield (11:23)

Yeah.

Maureen Callahan (11:23)

And it was all about the ways in which those two have never truly followed through with any of the business partners who have given them hundreds of millions of dollars to produce what they promised they're going to produce. And how, at the end of the day, there really is no there there with either one of them.

Kinsey Schofield (11:43)

And that former employees needed therapy. I mean, that was wild. That the attorneys were like, that one will clear. That former employees of Meghan Markle that worked for her via Spotify were so traumatized and that she was, you know, trying to make edits at the very last minute. And, you know, she was just had very unrealistic expectations. Remember, she had 17 producers on that hideous podcast. Archetypes, which should have been called stereotypes, because Megan doesn't see.

Maureen Callahan (12:13)

How many producers do you have?

Kinsey Schofield (12:15)

I mean, if we're being honest, Zero. But to be. I have a booker.

Maureen Callahan (12:20)

But you. You produce a podcast that's very popular that people listen to.

Kinsey Schofield (12:25)

Zero.

Maureen Callahan (12:27)

Why does this trick need 17 people to. And at that, you know, you. And I tried listening to the whole thing. It was nearly impossible. It's unlistenable. She is so dull. She's so uninteresting. And it's not the kind of dull where you're like, I think she's trying to make herself as blank of a slate as possible. It's like, this is an incurious, unoriginal mind who's got nothing to say.

Kinsey Schofield (12:49)

Well. And that doesn't know how to do the job. Because really, in her head, you could tell she was setting the person up so that she could bring it back to herself. The whole objective was, let me tell a story about myself. Oh, you're Mariah Carey. I don't care, because. Let me get back to myself. And so an incredible piece of work from Vanity Fair, the. The American Hustlers article also goes into Harry's weird obsession with hot chocolate, which, you know, that story continues to evolve. How.

Maureen Callahan (13:18)

Oh, going to Netflix, Was it Netflix?

Kinsey Schofield (13:21)

No, but Spotify was so desperate for an idea that they said, you like hot chocolate. Why don't you judge hot chocolates while talking to a friend? And he went back and seriously contemplated that idea for a podcast, the Netflix him. That comes later from Page Six. Later in the year, we find out Harry showed up late to a meeting with Netflix executives and asked for hot chocolate. And they were like, we are all adults here. We do not just have hot chocolate on tap ready to go for your 40 year old ass. But don't forget, my favorite piece from the Vanity Fair article is the Megan shopping a post divorce, Post Harry divorce book around.

Maureen Callahan (14:00)

Yes.

Kinsey Schofield (14:01)

And the fact that that made. That the made print, knowing how litigious Harry and Meghan are, that's incredible.

Maureen Callahan (14:10)

Thank you for reminding us of that, Kinsey. Because I wondered what that conversation must have been like at home when Harry. Because, like, there are a couple of things I think you just can't come back from this year. But they're still. Still married. And I don't know what the. The marriage seems strained to me at best. But.

Kinsey Schofield (14:31)

Wait, but wasn't it you that told me that Tom Cruise waited till the day before it was 10 years with Nicole Kidman because of finances? And I've been saying, I've been. I've repeated that since you said that to me. I think you're absolutely right.

Maureen Callahan (14:43)

But why he doesn't wise up and leave her first? Okay. They're both so litigious. Okay. An American publication asserts in print that your wife has been shopping around a post divorce memoir to see how many millions she can get for it. She's not suing them. She's very litigious. She's not suing them. What is she saying to him behind closed doors? Oh, Harry, they just made that up. You know how hated I am in America. You know, it's what's. What happened to your mother is gonna happen to me and only you can protect me, probably. And that's Dimwit fell for it. Same with the lifting of the feet and the crossing of the ankles and the feet up in the chauffeured SUV or limo, whatever, as she drives by Diana's death tunnel and memorializes it on Instagram like it's a full X. Like, what did she say to him? Like, what possibly could she have said to him that would have made any of that remotely okay?

Kinsey Schofield (15:44)

Does he ever stop and go? There's no way. You're always the victim. Or does he happily live in that space too, where they just feel like they're constantly under attack and never make mistakes because, you know, back to the Megan letter. Harry and Megan sold their secrets to Netflix, to Spotify, to Oprah Winfrey. They've done exactly what they're accusing Thomas Markle of. Are they really that Delulu? I think the answer is yes.

Maureen Callahan (16:12)

But really, like, I cannot. I cannot wrap my brain around, you know, the reports were that when William saw that footage of Meghan putting her feet up as she drove by Diana's death tunnel, that he was seething with rage. Seething with rage. And I can't imagine that Harry, who, unlike William, has yet, as far as we can see, to truly integrate the death of his mother and move on with his life in a. In a healthy fashion, he perseverates over this. We were just talking recently about how he was hired to give a talk to some real estate brokerage or whatever, and he was talking about his mother and the death of his mother. It's all he talks about. It's all he fixates on. What could she have possibly said to him to make him go, oh, that's totally acceptable. I understand why she did that. I understand why you did that. What do you think?

Kinsey Schofield (17:09)

Well, it's. I know she told him. I didn't know. I didn't know I was that close.

Maureen Callahan (17:13)

You know that.

Kinsey Schofield (17:14)

Yeah, she. She told him, I did not realize where I was when I took that video.

Maureen Callahan (17:18)

Are you kidding?

Kinsey Schofield (17:19)

Yes. And. And keep in mind, Harry refuses to go to Paris, you know, in a play, unless there's work. And it has to be something incredibly important. Harry doesn't go to Paris because he associates it with the death of his mother. Megan's actually told friends in the past, oh, we can't go to Paris because of the death of Harry's mot. So it's obviously still raw for him. And this is all while he's fighting the UK government saying Meghan Markle isn't safe there, and she's parading around Paris almost flirting with the idea of paparazzi chasing her with the car shots out the window, and it's all just very bizarre. But, yes, I know she told him she did not realize the location she.

Maureen Callahan (18:02)

Was at, and he fell for it. Oh, yeah, he believed it. He chose to believe it. I think he is in such deep denial. I think deep, deep, deep down, he knows. He knows who he married. I think deep, deep, deep down, he has realized that this woman is unhealthily obsessed with Diana. She's unhealthily. In my opinion, these are just my opinions. Obsessed With Catherine, Princess of Wales. This year, we saw Catherine rising, the ascendant queen, who has looked resplendent at any number of formal events, state dinners, and who Meghan, it always seems, is. You know, we saw this at the end of the year. Catherine at Christmas Together. Christmas together is her.

Kinsey Schofield (18:53)

Is her Year at Christmas concert. Yeah.

Maureen Callahan (18:56)

And her whole family there and loving, and they look beautiful and happy. And that's when Meghan dropped the Holiday Holiday Netflix special in which her husband makes a cameo at the very end so that Megan can present to him, as she giddily and explains, while fairly jumping up and down. We just made a salad for you full of all the ingredients that you fucking hate.

Kinsey Schofield (19:21)

Yeah. I mean, and keep in mind, karma is a B word because Megan told us during the Fortune Most Powerful Women event in Washington, D.C. that she was releasing this show in November. And then she moves it, in my opinion, to December to compete with Catherine's Christmas Carol concert and distract from it the same day. Guess what happens? Her father ends up in the hospital because he has to have a major surgery. I mean, is that not karma? Is that not somebody trying to just nip at her for trying to do just something nasty and disrespect Catherine? But I hope we're going to acknowledge the twerking hospital video, because I still haven't.

Maureen Callahan (20:04)

Oh, yes, please cannot forget that.

Kinsey Schofield (20:06)

I still haven't recovered from that. And then remember, she went on, and I apologize if I don't pronounce this woman's podcast correctly. But Emma Grande, I think the girl.

Maureen Callahan (20:15)

That works grade, it's G, R, E.

Kinsey Schofield (20:19)

D, E. She goes on that podcast and tries to. To justify the twerking video. And Emma's like, oh, my God, it was amazing. All the girls here loved it. And Megan's like, it's just me being my authentic self. And you're just like, oh, my God. Same woman that claims she wants privacy and shows us the back of her kids faces because she wants that $95,000 that Hillary from Boston got to show her kids faces. Like, it's just insane. It was so vulgar, so unroyal. And you just have to sit back and ask yourself, what the hell were you thinking?

Maureen Callahan (20:57)

So this is the kind of thing again. Like, I am so happy that the Nerve was born in 2025.

Lady Colin Campbell (21:03)

You're.

Maureen Callahan (21:04)

You're telling me the story about Megan on Emma's podcast and Emma' like that twerking video with you nine months pregnant. It was just amazing. We were all talking about how amazing it is. No, it Isn't Emma. It's disgusting. It's meant to diminish and shit on the monarchy. That's what it's meant to do. And it's meant to make anybody who would criticize it be afraid to criticize it. Because you're gonna say, you can't have a dancing black pregnant woman. Like, we're all racists, and it's not so. Secondly, she says to Emma, as you just quoted, I'm just being my authentic self. And when I say these people tell on themselves all the time. They do, first of all. So you're being your authentic self as opposed to what? Your bullshit fake self? So you're just telling us there are two people because you clearly feel the need to differentiate. Most people say, hey, I'm just being myself. I don't even say that. I just am myself. There's no need to narrate that. There's no need for an actual explanation. Like, you meet me. I'm myself. That's who I am. You take it or leave it. You know? So she's like her authentic self. Oh, my God. Also, I've watched that video over and over, and I think she was never pregnant. That looks like a pillow to me.

Kinsey Schofield (22:12)

It's insane. I mean, why would you. Knowing that these. These stories exist, knowing that people have questioned, and it's. Constitutionally, it's important to know whether or not these children were born through Meghan Markle's body, because if they weren't, then they should not be in the line of succession. I think it's a fair question. It's a fair thing to ask. Harry and Meghan were so secretive. The birth of Archie were already back home in Windsor by the time that they announced that she was in labor. Meghan refusing to do the hospital steps the way that Princess Diana did, the way that Catherine did. You know, so Meghan was so secretive about the birth of Archie. They were, of course, secretive about the birth of Lily. And constitutionally, especially when these two this year were out of control, insisting those children have their titles on their passports, on UK passports. It is an important question. So why would you put a video out there that just ignites the fire and has people asking whether or not you truly were pregnant? Again, Nothing makes sense that they do. They are the. They are a PR crisis team's worst nightmare.

Maureen Callahan (23:21)

So let me ask you this, Kinsey, because these are rumors and reports that I've been reading in the wake of Thomas Markle's hospitalization. I don't know if you know, if there's any truth to them or not. But I've read, again, don't know that this is true or not. We're just saying that these are things that are out there. That Megan allegedly had a hysterectomy, possibly in her 20s, and that Thomas knows about it. And that is a secret that she is desperate to stay a secret, because what if, as has been theorized, she helped hasten Harry to the altar by saying she was pregnant?

Kinsey Schofield (24:04)

Oh, I mean, that's all very interesting. What I can say about that is that it is my understanding that Thomas Markle Jr. Has made a similar allegation that is her half brother. And it would make sense to me that she continues to try to discredit her DNA, her family members, who are really the only ones willing to correct this fantasy that she's created, this backstory that she's created and that continues to evolve. You know, I was saying earlier, it seems like other people in her life, like Trevor Engelson, just think she's so toxic that they don't want to be associated with her. They don't want to correct the record, whereas her family, they've got nothing to lose. They've been. They. They're drugged through the mud constantly. So they do speak out against her. And I believe that Thomas Markle Jr. Has said that on his YouTube page. Do I know if there's any validity to it? I don't.

Maureen Callahan (25:05)

Do we know if she has sent any sort of legal threat or. Or initiated any kind of defamation lawsuit against Thomas Markle Jr. No, she has not.

Kinsey Schofield (25:18)

She is fighting with Samantha, and Samantha instigated that. But I. She really doesn't acknowledge Thomas Markle Jr. At all.

Maureen Callahan (25:27)

Interesting. Very interesting. I think as we ended 2025 with Meghan, we. There were two major things that I just thought were bangers, like those of us who loathe this woman and her darkness. Number one was Megan, beaming on her way into Kris Jenner's 70th birthday party. Beaming. I've never seen a life force emanating from this woman, not even on her wedding day like this. Now we're in. We're in with the coven. We're in with the Kardashians. Jeff Bezos and Lauren are hosting this. These vulgarians. And what we get out of that event is the photo of the year, the nerves. Photo of the year. It won the nerve awards. Photo of the year. Harry looking drunk, off his face, leering at Kris Jenner's rack, while his wife stands there smiling at Chris like a stepford wife with her, like, hand on Chris's shoulder. And Harry just looks like a drunken, sleazy oaf. I love that for her.

Kinsey Schofield (26:35)

Yeah. I mean, I'm sure that Kris Jenner's rack is younger than her face. I mean it's, it's a, it looks great. Like her, her rack does look good. Um, did I, I mean, I thought that the, the Kardashian thing annoyed me because I could tell that that was a win for me. The timing was just so perfect. As the Royal Family is remembering the war dead in the uk, there are Harry and Meghan getting trashed, but the Kardashian, that whole incident just really annoyed me because I knew that she would be working that room and using that as an opportunity to elevate herself. And I mean, really, the, the, the tone about these people here in LA is a hard eye roll. Oh, I hate them. Like that's what I hear in the salon when somebody finds out that this is what I. Oh my God, I hate them. You mean Markle or Marco? And so this was a huge, in her mind, this was a huge win for, for her. This was her, her putting her, her haters in their place. But the reality is that does not translate into success or popularity. So you got into a party, you know what I mean?

Maureen Callahan (27:45)

Yeah. And like, like every win they have, it is a short lived win and it's one that suffers a premature death at their own clumsy hands. Because all of the reports are, and these have been published to zero pushback from either camp that after that party and Harry and Meghan then went to the Kardashians and said, please take all our photos down from all of your social media. Kris Jenner was like, there are a couple of ingrates. Fuck them. They're out, they're gone, they are excised, never to return. You know, it all tracks. It all tracks. And then that's followed up by what should have been a triumph for Meghan Markle. She got the COVID of Harper's Bazaar, she got a fashion magazine cover story. She looks like shit. Her hair looks like a football helmet. I think that styling team hated her. And. But we were treated to the indelible anecdote that when the journalist showed up to one, she was served a cup of cappuccino or a latte with her face in the foam at the Polo Lounge. I am sure she asked for it in advance. I am sure. Secondly, in New York, the journalist knocks on the door of the borrowed townhouse. They're so cheap, they're so cheap. The borrowed townhouse that she's staying in. The house manager opens the door. No one else is in the house but Meghan Markle. And the house manager is made to loudly announce Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, as an intro Kinsey.

Kinsey Schofield (29:17)

Yeah. Which, by the way, I've had this conversation a lot lately, like, because I'm on divorce watch, if you follow me. You know, I'm on divorce watch. I, I, I mean, I might be waiting for nine years, but.

Maureen Callahan (29:28)

No, I think it's sooner than that. I do.

Kinsey Schofield (29:30)

Yeah. I'm on divorce watch. And I was talking to Dickie Arbiter, who's the former press secretary for the late Queen Elizabeth and King Charles iii. And he thought it was interesting that Meghan uses her uses the title that would be appropriate for a widow or a woman divorced. So Megan. So by, by insisting everybody call her Megan, the Duchess of Sussex. That is the divorced title or the widowed title.

Maureen Callahan (29:59)

And what's the real title? If you're happily married, what's the real title?

Kinsey Schofield (30:02)

She should just be the Duchess of Sussex. She should just be the Duchess of Sussex.

Maureen Callahan (30:07)

Okay, I have two theories about this.

Kinsey Schofield (30:09)

Yeah.

Maureen Callahan (30:09)

One is she's such a malignant narcissist that that's not enough. We have to personalize it. Not only that her name needs to come before the title because her greatness is such that she is greater than any royal title that could be bestowed upon her. Even though, as we told Oprah, royal titles mean nothing to us. So, you know, if your head is spinning, I'm right there with you. And, and then, yes, like, she's making sure that she is being branded as such in the very likely event of divorce. Or as in the case of Oprah and Gayle, making sure that Stedman went missing. You know, perhaps there's a death that's unexplained, a premature death of one's husband that's unexplained. And we cannot find his remains. But either way, Meghan shall remain. And I'm just theorizing here, you know, but Meghan shall remain Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex.

Kinsey Schofield (31:00)

I think it's all of those. But Dickie and I have a theory that she's so obsessed with Princess Diana that she's using Diana, Princess of Wales, that she's looking at that. And you know what? Diana was divorced. That's why we called her Diana, Princess of Wales. So Meghan, again, saying f all the protocol and creating her own rules. I totally agree with you that she thinks she Cher, Britney, Madonna, and she Wants to just be Meghan, but she's got. Royalty is the only thing that makes her of any sort of value whatsoever. So she includes Duchess of Sussex there. But. But, like, I also want to stress, in between these two major events, she's booed at a Dodgers game. So she doesn't have all. You know, it's not like highs highs, it's like a roller coaster, truly, with her when it comes to her coverage.

Maureen Callahan (31:50)

You know, I want to get your take on this. I was talking to Rob Shooter for the Year in Celebrity Scandal, and he said that he's heard that William has had. His mind has changed about stripping the titles when he takes the throne, and that his thinking now is more that he'll just leave them be because they have rendered their titles, through their ridiculous antics and failures, meaningless. That they've rendered the titles meaningless. He knows that here in America, we surely do not take them seriously. We would very much like them to leave and that if he were to strip them, not only would he risk looking petty, but that it would actually elevate them in importance and that there's no greater indignity than to be ignored. What do you think?

Kinsey Schofield (32:46)

It's my understanding that William sees that there's a desperation in them this year, that he's acknowledged that there's a desperation in their activity and that he would rather, similar to his feelings towards Andrew Mountbatten, Windsor cut him off and cut. He wants to create that divide between him and the Sussexes, between the Royal Family and the Sussexes. I mean, he's not speaking to Harry at all. He has no desire to speak to Harry at all. Anything you read about, Catherine, thinking that there should be any sort of reconciliation, that's a lie.

Maureen Callahan (33:23)

Catherine, where are those stories coming from, by the way? They're in American tabloids now.

Kinsey Schofield (33:27)

You know where they're coming from? They're coming from Harry and Megan's camp, so.

Maureen Callahan (33:30)

Right.

Kinsey Schofield (33:31)

They're coming from Harry and Megan's camp. So I do believe that Prince William's objective will be to inevitably strip them of their titles. It will be done in a very delicate way. I think it'll be done in a way where he strips a bunch of people of their titles so it doesn't look personal. You know, all the other cousins and. And, you know, so it doesn't look personal. And he can say in order to. In order to control our image. It's easier if there are fewer of us out there in the world. But I do think that he will strip them of their titles when do.

Maureen Callahan (34:06)

You think it will happen? And what do you think or predict? God forbid. But should Prince Charles, he's battling cancer. Let's say he passes away in 2026, and the funeral, you know, will be the morning will be days long in Britain. What does Harry do? What do you predict?

Kinsey Schofield (34:30)

Well, the King did just release a video saying that he's healthier to the point that he can receive less. He doesn't have to go to London as often as he was going to London for cancer treatment. So I don't know if it'll be in 2026. I mean, obviously we hope it's not in 2026. Of course, I think Harry, to save face, the second he knows that there's any sort of decline, we'll hop on a plane and go over there. And I think that. That William will have to face his brother at the deathbed. But once the funeral is over, I think that he's going to completely cut off his brother. I don't think that Meghan will be welcome at the funeral. I don't think she should be welcome at the funeral, if I'm being honest with you, because she's made the last few years of his life, along with Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip's, a living hell. But I. You do think that Harry is going to elbow his way in towards the end to save face, and that's about it. And I think that William will allow it because he would look like a terrible person if he shut his brother out. But once he becomes king, he's not going to have time for the bullshit anymore. And he's going to be done. He's going to be completely done.

Maureen Callahan (35:41)

And what do you predict Meghan attempts in 2026 to reintroduce herself for the 8 millionth time to all of us?

Kinsey Schofield (35:52)

Well, she's offering her orange marmalade for free right now with a 75 purchase. So obviously she's trying to get rid of inventory. Okay. I mean, I. I think you and I have had this conversation a couple of times. Victoria Jackson, Jamie Kern Lima, she's surrounding her. The Kardashians. She surrounds herself with a lot of makeup moguls. I can see her trying to enter the makeup space. I mean, look at how much money Selena Gomez, oh, my gosh. Hillary Hailey, Bieber, even Gwen Stefani, Lady Gaga. Look at how much Rihanna, how much money these women have made from the beauty industry. I think she sees that as an option for herself. I do not. If I wanted to look orange, I'd grab a Magic marker. You know, and that's how I would do it. I'm not going to pay whatever for whatever. Mm by m. Whatever she calls it. But I don't know. I mean, she is going to continue to reinvent herself because she's desperate for cash. She has to. But I think you and I are on the same page that Prince Harry's just basically become a rent a prince and he's going to show up at a Toronto Hilton near you and say what he has to say and then cash out and go back home for a few days.

Maureen Callahan (37:04)

Yes. And I predict Meghan's eventual landing spot post divorce is going to be a Real Housewives franchise and she will have a side hustle as a regular purveyor on qvc.

Kinsey Schofield (37:17)

Oh gosh. Good luck. Enjoy. Enjoy that. Megan.

Maureen Callahan (37:22)

Well Kinsey, it's been quite a year and we at the Nerve are so grateful that you show up regularly and give us all of the inside gossip. What's going on in Montecito, what's really going on over in the uk and we all collectively wish you a very merry Christmas and a very happy new Year.

Kinsey Schofield (37:44)

Maureen Callahan, congratulations on all of your success in 2025. I am so, so proud of you and I was like crying at the end of your Megyn Kelly thing. I'm so happy to be your friend.

Maureen Callahan (37:55)

Oh likewise. Likewise. Kinsey, we will see you in 2026 for some more ball busting.

Kinsey Schofield (38:02)

Bye guys.

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Maureen Callahan (40:35)

We are back and we are very excited for a first time guest on the Nerve. People have been telling me, people who know her, people who know of her, you've got to get royal expert extraordinaire Lady Colin Campbell on the Nerve. And today, friends, we have her. To say she is an expert. It's not nearly enough. She has been a royal biographer and commentator for the past four decades. She has authored several books on the royal family, including the New York Times bestseller Diana in Private, the Princess Nobody Knows, as well as the Queen Mother, the Queen's Marriage and Meghan and Harry the Real Story, to name but a few. And you can catch up on all the inside royal's information on her official YouTube channel. Go over and subscribe. Lady Colin Campbell, YouTube Lady Colin Campbell, welcome to the Nerve.

Capella University Representative (41:36)

Hello.

Lady Colin Campbell (41:37)

Delighted to meet you.

Maureen Callahan (41:40)

Oh, Lady Colin Campbell, I must say, your pearls are astonishingly incredible. Oh my goodness. So first I must ask you, you know, we've been talking about this quite a bit on the Nerve and I was told, go speak to Lady Colin Campbell about this. You know, we, there are some of us in America, most in the media. It's a quiet theorizing, but we've begun to discuss it openly on the Nerve Nerve that when Meghan Markle's father, Thomas inevitably dies, she her likely next move, just our opinion, our theory will be to accuse him of having sexually molested her. And, and she will say that was the reason why she had to cut him out of her life entirely, even really having almost next to no contact with him following the amputation of his leg in the Philippines. I understand you have a story that tracks alongside that.

Lady Colin Campbell (42:44)

Absolutely. When I was writing Meghan and Harry the real story. It would have been January 2020. Thomas Markle appeared on, I think it was ITV. And right afterwards, I got a phone call from a very good friend of mine who is very closely conn to Meghan and Harry. I can't say more than that because we're speaking about household names, and I don't want to give away the identities of the people involved and said, oh, Harry wants you to know that the reason why Meghan can't ever reconcile with her father is. And the person was so embarrassed that they couldn't actually get it out at first. So I said, well, I. I'm sorry, I can't elicit information from you. You need to cough it up cleanly. And finally they spluttered out that Harry had said that according to Meghan, her father interfered with her, which I gather is a British way of saying something that in America they say slightly differently.

Maureen Callahan (44:01)

Oh, the Catholics say interfered when talking about, say, aren't clergy, you know, who have abused minor children. Yeah. So this source, who you say is impeccably placed, came to you while you were writing the book. Do you know if Harry and Meghan were aware that you were writing this book about them?

Lady Colin Campbell (44:23)

Oh, yes. They'd been leaking information that they thought would be favorable to them.

Maureen Callahan (44:28)

Oh, so their camp had been leaking you information. And did the source for this come from their camp?

Lady Colin Campbell (44:36)

Oh, yes. Yes.

Maureen Callahan (44:38)

Okay. Okay.

Lady Colin Campbell (44:41)

There. I can't say who it is, but if I mentioned the name, it would immediately ring huge bells with you. And so there was no doubt that it was genuine. And I absolutely went ballistic because I knew it wasn't true.

Maureen Callahan (45:02)

Really?

Lady Colin Campbell (45:04)

Yeah. I actually. I don't know. If you know it, ask Morgan and Belinda. They'll tell you. I have a terrible temper.

Maureen Callahan (45:10)

Oh, you're speaking of friend of the nerf, Belinda Carlisle and her husband, Morgan Mason, who are friends of yours as well. So how did you know Lady Colin? How did you know that this claim. How were you able to just sort of swat it away with complete confidence?

Lady Colin Campbell (45:29)

Well, because in my research for the book, I had seen Meghan endlessly praise her father, how wonderful a father he was. You know, there's that famous appearance that she does on the United nations stage where Hillary Clinton is in the audience and she's telling everybody what a wonderful, wonderful father she had. I think that was in about 2015 or 2016. What a wonderful father she had and how everybody should have such a wonderful father and how her father had done blah, blah, blah, da, da. Da for her. And on the Tig and on Working Girl, which was the one before.

Maureen Callahan (46:16)

Sorry, her blogs, you mean?

Lady Colin Campbell (46:18)

Yeah. Yes. She was constantly praising her false. So I knew immediately that it could not be true. And I actually screamed and ranted and raved like a lunatic down the phone to the friend of mine who was the liaison and said, you can tell Harry that if he thinks that he's going to pull what his mother tried to pull on me and failed, he's going to fail even worse than Sheila because it's cac handed, it's obviously false, blah, blah, blah. And as soon as we hung up, I phoned Hope Dellen who was my American publisher at St. Martin's and I phoned Hope and spoke to her and I said, this is outrageous and I want you to be aware of it. And I phoned up my English publisher and told him as well. And I said, you know, this is, I said, this woman is insupportable. This is just. I was so outraged, I can't tell. And it's, it's. And we then had the challenge of including it in the book in such a way that they, that they wouldn't be able to try to muscle me. And so we took legal advice and it's in the book, the last three or four pages of the book. So, I mean, so she's, she's been trying that on for size since 2020.

Maureen Callahan (47:50)

Lady Colin at what point? Because January 2020, if I recall correctly, was when they announced Megxit. Did this information come directly to you prior to that, that that news being announced or after?

Lady Colin Campbell (48:08)

I can't, it depends. I can't remember when Mexic was.

Maureen Callahan (48:14)

I don't remember the exact date either.

Lady Colin Campbell (48:16)

It was. But this, I remember it was just after Thomas Narcole had given an interview to. I think it was ITV at the end of January. So it might have just been after Megxit was announced. I'm not 100% sure. I don't remember.

Maureen Callahan (48:40)

What are your theories, Lady Colin, as to why Meghan hasn't continued to try to cede this accusation against her father throughout other biographies or well sourced articles?

Lady Colin Campbell (49:00)

Well, I think she would be very ill advised to do it because she knows that I was, I was the first port of call and I refused to allow the ship to dock because I knew it contained contaminated produce. And she also knows that I know her father and her brother and sister and I think if she, if she tries to float it. Well, I don't know if she'll ever float it. I mean, I know everybody supposes she's going to try to float it when he's dead, and she might well try to float it in some version while he's dead, but she's sort of been quite careful about not floating it, but somehow letting everybody know it's there. Because Megan is very sneaky and she has ways and means of getting her point across. So that you have said it as opposed to she having said it.

Maureen Callahan (49:56)

Yes, yes, she does that all the time. It's her favorite parlor trick. Now, Lady Colin, since you know, Tommy Thomas Markle, her father, he must be aware that she has tried to float this accusation.

Lady Colin Campbell (50:12)

Oh, absolutely. I spoke to him about it.

Maureen Callahan (50:15)

And what did he say?

Lady Colin Campbell (50:17)

Well, he is. I have to tell you, I have so much sympathy for him. He is a living King Lear and she is gonorrheal and Regan rolled into one. And if it sounds. If gonorrhea sounds like something very communicable and nasty, I think there's a good reason why. And I told. He knows. And in fact, last year, I think it was maybe earlier this year. I can't remember now because I've been so jug addled recently since my accident.

Maureen Callahan (50:59)

I am so sorry to hear about your accident. I hope you're on the mend. You look wonderful.

Lady Colin Campbell (51:05)

Thank you. I am. By the way, your hair looks great.

Maureen Callahan (51:09)

Thank you. Thank you.

Lady Colin Campbell (51:12)

And so I think it's either earlier this year or late last year. I think it might have been earlier this year. One of the royals phoned me up who had already intervened in the Samantha case. Sorry. And had said to me, in the Samantha case, you need to tell Samantha Markle that the state of Florida is both the inquisitorial and the other system legally because it's partly Code Napoleon and partly British common law. And that she can subpoena Harry to give evidence against Meghan in the state of Florida. So this person is. It's a royal. And they're very clued up, and they're very knowledgeable about the law, or, well, they have access to. And they're quite determined to see that Meghan is not going to prevail. And they phoned me up and said, you need to tell Thomas that he needs to. And there's some mechanism. I've forgotten what it's called, where you do a taping, like a videotape, but it's done in. In a legal. Legal situation. And he needs to do this before, while he's healthy enough. And he needs to have it so that when he's Dead. She can't because. Because they thought she was going to definitely come up with this. So I rang him up and I told him and he said his response, he said, oh, he'd do it. But I sort of thought he was just brushing me off or palliating me. I didn't think he was really going to do. And then he said to me, and please don't tell Tom and Samantha. So I didn't. But of course, now that all of this has happened, I'm coming clean on it because. So that they will all know and that Meghan will know that there are people out there who are onto her and who are quite determined that she is not going to dump on her father from a great height.

Maureen Callahan (53:36)

Oh, I love, I love that you've come forward, that you're talking to us on the nerve. You know, when we first started, began discussing this on the show a couple of weeks ago. So that was one of the most common refrains. Has Thomas Markle left something, either on videotape or in writing legally, in which he is declaring that any accusation regarding any sort of sexual interference with Megan as a child is categorically false?

Lady Colin Campbell (54:05)

Well, I have never used the word sexual, nor has he. We've just used the word interference because she could, who knows? And Meghan's very sourceful and she can come up with. So whatever. So let's not restrict it to. Although I'm sure that you're actually onto the real thing. But still, let's, for the sake of clarity, stick to what it is he said he was going to do it. I never chased it up with him. You know, it's up to him. I get in touch with him, I tell him he knows the status of the person who's doing it. He knows I'm trustworthy. And he says to me, please don't let Tom and Samantha know about this. So I hope he's done it. I hope he's done it. He was in Mexico at the time that I remember. He wasn't in the Philippines.

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Maureen Callahan (57:35)

Have you had a chance to speak to him in the aftermath? Aftermath of his surgery?

Lady Colin Campbell (57:40)

No, no, no, because I've been too ill as well.

Maureen Callahan (57:44)

Yes, yes, of course I've spoken to.

Lady Colin Campbell (57:46)

Tom and I've spoken to. To Samantha, but not to him. And quite frankly, it's. It's been enough for me to speak to them without speaking to him. Because with my illness and his illness, it would be a little bit much.

Maureen Callahan (58:05)

Could you give. Give us a sense, Lady Colin, of what Tom Jr. And Samantha Markle think of their sister, half sister Meghan, refusing to see her father. And to have finally sent a letter which in some substance we in America understand, by all reports, was to say there will be no reconciliation in the cards. You know, know amputation or no.

Lady Colin Campbell (58:37)

They are outraged. They can't believe that any human being would behave like this. And I have to say I'm not surprised that she's done it because I've come across Megan's before, but I think she's a very unsophisticated operator. Had she been cleverer, she would have done something. And this she's burying herself. I said it in the original version of my book, which was published in spring 2020. What she'd done with her father and was continuing to do with her father would ultimately be her downfall. And so it is proving to be because people all over the world, black, white, rich, poor, grand, humble, Catholic, Muslim, Protestant, doesn't matter. Most people have a sense of family. Most people understand that families are not perfect. Many people even actively dislike or loathe their family. But they do not dump on them from a great height. And even if they were going to do it privately, they would have sufficient dignity and self respect to not do it publicly. And Meghan is so delusional that she has done it publicly as well. And I said it all along and I have got most likely by now hundreds of thousands of comments from people relating to this. And this is her biggest sticking point will always be. And I think it's irretrievable now at end the Unless she said, oh, I've entered a 12 step program. I had so many problems, I was out of my mind. And now I've turned over, new leaf and daddy, please forgive me, I think she has destroyed her reputation. I don't know what you think, but I think she is irretrievably damaged.

Maureen Callahan (60:43)

I could not agree with you more, lady Colin and I. I think even if she were to attempt some kind of reputational rehab in that vein, it wouldn't work because she is so disliked here. She is so disliked. And every time she sort of tries to worm her way into another power center here in the entertainment industrial complex, all she does is make enemies. You know, she most recently did it here. She attended the party for Kris Kardashian that was thrown by Jeff Bezos and his wife, Lauren Sanchez. And she and Harry instantly made enemies of them after that party by demanding that they remove all photos of the two of them from social media. She is her own worst enemy and I don't think anyone in America will forgive her. You know, it's so true what you say, the lack of cleverness, the lack of being able to play chess rather than checkers. She's got a Netflix holiday special streaming on Netflix. It's only a few weeks old. It dropped the same day her father went into the hospital. You cannot sell yourself as a provider of a loving home and hearth at the holiday season and allow your father to languish in an ICU in the Philippines with his leg freshly amputated and think people are going to buy what you are saying, selling.

Lady Colin Campbell (62:08)

But certainly not if you behave the way she did. I mean, I. You know, I know people who've had terrible relationships with their parents. My father, for instance, spent much of my teenage trying to convince me to commit suicide. And I forgave him. And, you know, I. I forgave him and I understood why he did it. I mean, people are human. And what Thomas Markle did was actually a set of by Megan with Jeff Reina using Samantha to get to her father so that. So that Jeff Reina could upstair. The dog is off.

Maureen Callahan (62:48)

Okay.

Lady Colin Campbell (62:52)

Is rocking the boat.

Maureen Callahan (62:54)

Get up there, doggy.

Lady Colin Campbell (62:56)

To get to. So convincing. Convincing Samantha to convince Thomas Sr. That the way to restore his dignity was the setup that Jeff Rayner organized.

Maureen Callahan (63:15)

You're talking about those paparazzi photos? Yeah, the ones. The ones that she said were the final straw. She had to cut him off. He was trying to exploit her and her marriage into the royal family and that was it. She had to protect her new marriage. So you're saying, Lady Colin, that that was all actually, as far as, you know, orchestrated by Megan herself?

Lady Colin Campbell (63:37)

That's what her father and her sister think.

Maureen Callahan (63:40)

Wow.

Lady Colin Campbell (63:41)

That's what they think that they've told me. And. And it certainly seems perfectly reasonable. And also, let's face that, what was he doing that was so terrible? He was trying to. His dignity. Dignity that she. That she, by her inaction, by refusing Buckingham Palace's offer to have advice and assistance for both parents. She accepted it on behalf of her mother and she refused it on behalf of her father, knowing he would be exposed, knowing he would be mocked by the press. And then when he tries to restore his dignity, it's exposed as a setup, which according to her father and her sister, they believe she set it up with Jeff Rayner to create the crisis that was indeed created and that would prevent Thomas Marlborough senior from coming to the wedding.

Maureen Callahan (64:48)

Oh. Oh. So just to be clear, the setup that you're talking about that you believe Meghan set up, was that the paparazzi photo taken of Thomas carrying the beer outside of. Okay. And then Thomas attempted to rehabilitate that.

Lady Colin Campbell (65:05)

Yeah. Doing the push up and being fitted for the suit. Yeah.

Maureen Callahan (65:09)

Okay. Okay.

Lady Colin Campbell (65:10)

And so. But what's so terrible about that. And even if he got paid, so what? Look at how much money she and Harry have got paid for doing far. And let's remember Meghan and Harry's betrayal of his family has been exceedingly toxic and destructive. What was Thomas Markle doing that was so destructive? Trying to preserve his dignity. There was nothing destructive about. Well, look at the lies Meghan and Harry have told about Charles, Catherine, the rest of the family, the British people, you know, and the way she has mocked and belittled and denigrated for the spectacle, the wedding that cost £30 million, that had everybody so enthusiastic. I mean, it was a great cause of celebration in this country. And she snared and mocked as if. Who are these ghastly little people? I, the great Meghan Markle. And it was just a spectacle that I was going to have to endure for the people, the masses, the trash, because I'm so great and grand. Am I not demure? I'm just like Julia Roberts in movies. I mean, I'm sorry. The woman is insupportably dreadful and.

Maureen Callahan (66:39)

Oh, my God. Insupportably dreadful. If. I mean, I think that is. That is perhaps the quintessential description of Meghan Markle. And I'm going to adopt it, if you don't mind insupportably dreadful. Lady Colin Campbell, we could talk to you for another hour or two, but we hope that you will. You will come back on the nerve in 2026 as we watch this saga continue to unfold.

Lady Colin Campbell (67:09)

Delighted, too.

Maureen Callahan (67:10)

Well, I. Lovely to see you. Happy to see and hear that you are on the mend and wishing you a very merry Christmas and a very happy New Year.

Lady Colin Campbell (67:19)

Thank you to you, too.

Maureen Callahan (67:21)

Thank you, Lady Colin. Wow. That was incredible. That was incredible. Okay, the headlines are back in 2020 of a source very close to Meghan and Harry, a name that all of us would know. And I've already got my theory that called Lady Colin Campbell directly as Lady Colin Campbell was writing her bio and said Meghan Markle's father, quote, unquote, interfered with her. And that is why Meghan has no relationship with her. And Lady Colin Campbell dismissed it out of hand as an absolute lie, has spoken to Thomas Markle about it, has spoken. The children know about it. And that Meghan Markle, in her, as far as her estimation and opinion and reporting will bear out. Her opinion is that Meghan Markle helped to orchestrate the paparazzi photo of Thomas Markle exiting a store with beer. A photo that was meant to humiliate him. And that prompted Thomas. I mean, if this is true, this is really dark, devious stuff. Prompted Thomas to attempt to to rehabilitate that image by staging paparazzi photos of himself and getting paid. And guess what? It turns out the royal family doesn't really care. So why does Megan? Why does Megan. The royal family wanted to help Thomas. Why won't Meghan? That does it. That does it. For our Friday edition of the Nerve. Come back and see us tomorrow for our Mini Nerve which drops on YouTube. Remember, the minis only live on YouTube for the most moment. That drops at 10am Eastern on Saturday. Visit the nerves substack@thenerveshow.com Be sure to subscribe and grab your favorite nerve merch@shop thenerve.com also the nerve is now available on Megan's podcast playlist every Monday, Wednesday and Friday at 9am Eastern on Sirius XM channel 111, the Megan Kelly Channel. And as mentioned, we are so excited that you guys are excited for this because we are too. The Nerve went abroad with Belinda Carlisle and we have two new episodes of we had the most Fun. We had the most fun. And we had the most fun making fun of somebody we all know coming to you during the holidays. For now, here is a a sneak peek at what we call the Nervy Traveler. Welcome to the Nerve's very first travel edition. Oh, wow. What a magical place this is. Headed to the island of the dolls. It does feel a little much. The pyramids of Mexico. I'm taking my inspo from none other than Tracee Ellis. There's no place in the world you can't dry brush. We got the beat.

Lady Colin Campbell (70:52)

We got the beat. We got the beat.

Maureen Callahan (70:56)

Suck it, Tracy Ellis Ross. Try to do that with a real go go. Can't wait. Cannot wait for you guys to see that. See you tomorrow for the Mini and then again over the holidays for our debut of the Nervy Traveler, our travel edition of the Nerve, where you will never guess what we're about to say next.

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