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The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
Savannah Guthrie's DESPERATE Plea, Ashleigh Banfield's Explosive Report, and Jenna Bush Ditches Vigil
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Maureen Callahan is joined by criminal defense attorney and “MK True Crime” contributor Phil Holloway to break down the most troubling developments in the disappearance of Savannah Guthrie’s mother, including Savannah’s video plea, the uneasy family dynamics on display, drone footage of law enforcement collecting evidence, the credibility of the ransom note, and mounting questions around missed investigative steps and a shifting timeline. Maureen then sits down with Ashleigh Banfield, veteran journalist and host of the "Drop Dead Serious" podcast, who stands firmly behind her reporting of a possible suspect, despite some media backlash, talks about her reliable law enforcement source, makes parallels to the Kohberger case and points to what emerging facts suggest about Nancy Guthrie's abduction. Later in the show, Maureen calls out Jenna Bush Hager for talking up faith, friendship, and community while ditching a vigil for Savannah's mom in NYC and watches it online instead. Phil H...
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Hello and welcome to your Friday edition of the Nerve. I am your host, Maureen Callahan, and we have an incredible show for you today. It has been almost one week since Nancy Guthrie, the 84 year old mother of Today show host Savannah Guthrie, was abducted from her home, from her bed in Tucson, Arizona early in the morning of Sunday, February 1st. It was. It's believed she was taken at 2:00am Investigators have been all over the map with what they are telling us. First they believe she's dead. Then they believe she's alive. Now we have a ransom note. Is Savannah's sister involved? Is it somebody el. We've got real, real experienced reporters, former law enforcement, talking to us about what they see plainly in front of their faces based on the evidence. Okay. To help us break down the various and varying details in this case, first, Phil Holloway of MK True Crime is going to be here to talk about the most recent developments. The Savannah Guthrie video, which is a remarkable, remarkable artifact. She is sitting in between her siblings, one of whom we believe, we have good reason to believe is a person of interest in this case and her husband as well. And she's begging people for help. And she's reading a note to the authors of the ransom note. This is a remarkable, remarkable piece of footage. So Phil's going to help us break that down because what isn't being said in this thing is as if not more important than what is being said. And then Phil and I are going to talk about the press conference that Barney Fife gave on Thursday in which he made a whole. Another whole slew of errors. But it looks like the FBI is truly here to help because there were two FBI agents standing right behind him and the special agent in charge of that field office, the media was like, excuse me, Barney, please exit stage left. We'd like to talk to the adult in the room, the real crime solver. Then after Phil, Ashley Banfield, veteran, brilliant crime reporter, is coming on the Nerve to talk to us about her reporting. And she is standing by it despite catching a lot of shit from the mainstream media who are just swallowing whole what Barney Fife is saying Ashley has incredible solid reporting, and she maintains that she knows who the person of interest in this case is or persons. You're gonna. You're not going to believe it. Ashley's amazing. And then we're gonna lighten things up with some feedback, with some troublemaker feedback. And you guys have your own theories, and I'm sure you can guess what they are. And we've got some dog friends of the Nerve as well. Okay, troublemakers, are you ready? Are you ready? Let's go. Are you one of the millions of Americans who wake up far too often in the middle of the night to use the bathroom? Most people chalk it up to just getting older, but a new report is calling that assumption into question. Researchers have uncovered an often overlooked cause behind nighttime trips to the bathroom, and it's something many doctors rarely discuss. It might have very little, in fact, to do with your bladder. This report breaks down what could really be triggering nighttime urgency. Why so much of common advice misses the mark and offers a simple, practical approach to support better bladder control so you can actually sleep through the night again. Visit getnativepath.com nerve to read the full article right now and decide for yourself if your sleep is getting disrupted. If you are waking up tired, foggy, or just plain annoyed the next day, this is absolutely worth reading. That site again is getnativepath.com nerve G E T N A T I V E p a t h.com n e r V E Joining us now to discuss the latest in the Nancy Guthrie mystery is MK True Crime host Phil Holloway. Phil is a criminal defense attorney, former assistant DA in Cobb County, Georgia, and is a member of the bar of the US Supreme Court. Before becoming a lawyer, Phil worked in law enforcement. Phil, welcome to the Nerve.
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Always happy to be here. Thanks for having me.
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So we've got some major new developments. You know, there was just a press conference on Thursday afternoo, which sheriff Chris Nanos, who I call Barney Fife, has told us is the last one he's ever giving. I'll believe it when I see it. But before we get to the breaking news out of that presser, I wanted to take advantage of having time with you to look at the dramatic video that Savannah released on Instagram on Wednesday night. And she seems to be talking both to America and to the kidnappers, the abductors, whoever they may be. We have. We have theories about this. None other than Ashley Banfield has some real theory about this here. In this video, Phil, we see Savannah sitting between her sister Annie, who we have legitimate Reason to believe is a suspect in the disappearance of their mother and her brother. Cameron and I found this video remarkable as much for what isn't said as what is said. So we're going to take it apart by about in four chunks. Here's the first cut. This is Savannah begging for her mother to be brought home. Here we go.
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Armand is a kind, faithful, loyal, fiercely loving woman of goodness and light. She's funny, spunky and clever. She has grandchildren that adore her and crowd around her and cover her with kisses. She loves fun and adventure. She is a devoted friend. She is full of kindness and knowledge. Talk to her and you'll see.
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The.
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Light is missing from our lives. Nancy is our mother. We are her children. She is our beacon. She holds fast to joy in all of life's circumstances. She chooses joy day after day, despite having already passed through great trials of pain and grief. We are always going to be merely human, just normal human people who need our mom.
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Mama.
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Mama, if you're listening, we need you to come home. We miss you.
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Phil, what strikes you about that clip of the Savannah video?
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Well, there's. There's a lot there to unpack, Maureen. You know, look, it's obvious that, like you mentioned, she's speaking as much to the perpetrators of this crime as anybody else. She may believe that she's speaking to her mother, although I have doubts about that personally at this point, given the number of days that it's been. This was something that was done, obviously in coordination with law enforcement. They probably helped script it. There were probably psychologist types that helped with the specific wording. They're trying to, I guess, elicit some type of emotional response from the captor or captors or whoever these bad people are. They're just trying to get their attention and also trying to keep the story alive in the media, although that's probably going to happen anyway. But keeping the case alive, keeping people talking about it, is oftentimes one of the best things that you can do to solve a case. And in the days immediately following a disappearance, that is when you know time is literally of the essence, particularly if you have someone like this grandmother who needs medicine and is not very mobile. So everything that they can do in the immediate days like this is key. So ultimately, we'll have to wait and see. Time will tell whether or not this video bears any fruit, but it's certainly not the wrong thing to do.
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I'll say that we do know that this was done in. In concert with the FBI. It was shot in the sister's house. The FBI brought in ring lights. They were seen bringing in a camera. I'm sure there were hostage negotiators of the highest caliber there helping, as you said, with the language. Talk to us about, A, the significance of shooting it in the sister's house.
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Yeah.
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And B, if that is possibly a tactic. If in fact law enforcement, as per Ashley Banfield's reporting, is looking at the sister whose affect, I'm just going to say it to me, seems way off. If they're actively looking at the sister and her husband as prime suspects in Nancy's disappearance.
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Yeah, I'm. No, I'm in no real position to. To gauge, you know, the affect of the sister. I'm not a professional, but as a lay person looking at did look a bit forced, in my personal opinion. But look, I think the. The FBI being there, the FBI setting it up, other law enforcement I'm sure was there. You know what that does? That gets law enforcement inside that house without a warrant.
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Oh, Phil, now you're talking.
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It gets them there on a permissive basis. It's consensual. And if you invite law enforcement into your home and they happen to see something or they happen to observe something in plain view, or they, I don't know, take some swabs off the carpet or whatever, you know, that's the kind of thing where they can surreptitiously start surveilling and looking around to see when they do come back with a warrant, if they do come back with a warrant, maybe where they're going to look more closely. So I see it as much a tactic to try to speak to any potential captors as it is for law enforcement to. To get inside that home without raising anybody's alarms by saying, here we are with a search warrant. But, hey, I'm just a cynic. What do I know?
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Hey, you're talking to a fellow one. And I like it because also what it is, it's so brilliant if that's the tactic. Because Savannah's natural habitat is front of a camera, she probably takes some kind of comfort in being able to use her talent to communicate. It also brings down the defenses of both the brother and the sister. And they're distracted because they're, quote, unquote, helping now. And law enforcement can roam around that house and probably nobody's really paying that much attention where they're going and what they're doing.
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Yeah. And law enforcement is watching everybody very closely. And we know now that they've been to the sister's home that we know that they've taken the Cell Bright K over there, which is what that is.
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Yeah.
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Okay, so cellbrite is the platform that allows law enforcement and others. It's typically used by law enforcement, although it can exist in private hands to extract data that may exist on your cell phone, on your iPad, or other devices. Yeah, that's it on the screen there. And so can be a tool for them to go in. And if you think something is deleted from your phone, guess what? It's not. That cellbrite kit right there will find it, and it can see what you've been doing online, and it can give a lot of information. And they're not there with that cellbrite kit at the sister's home by accident, are they? No, they are there on purpose. Look, let's back up a minute. When we. When we have any missing persons investigation, or any crime for that matter, the natural place for law enforcement to begin is at the center. And in this case, it's like you take the victim and then you work outward in small rings to see, you know, who does this person associate with most closely. And it's usually you start with the family until you start ruling them out. So on the one hand, it can be perfectly innocent. There's an innocent explanation for the law enforcement to be there with that. But if you notice, this was there, like yesterday and today, okay, she's been missing now for a few days. And so now it looks like, to me, it looks like there's something that has caused law enforcement to renew their interest in the sister and her husband. And if you also add in the fact that the crime scene, which was unfortunately released by law enforcement, in my opinion, way too early. We talked about this on my show. Oh, yeah, we talked about this on MK True Crime that just yesterday I felt that it was too early. And then, you know, 24 hours later, there's new crime scene up. So I wonder if maybe the FBI or somebody didn't say, hey, sheriff, look, what are you doing? You know, you need to protect the integrity of this crime scene, because when you have journalists and members of the public in and out of there, not only do they track things in, they track their own DNA, they track dirt. They track in all kinds of things, but they also can destroy evidence that's there. They can move things around. They can put fingerprints in places, they can destroy trace evidence. And so it really was an unforced area. It was one of these things where I just. I saw them releasing that scene, and then I saw Brian entin I think it was going out there, looking at the blood on the door, doorstep, and I'm thinking, my God, what are they thinking? Who is in charge of this? And why are they letting. Why are they letting the scene be reopened so soon?
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Yeah, well, we all know that Sheriff Chris Nanos is in charge because he loves telling us every five minutes. And that was, I'm sure, his call. And I completely agree with you. How could you release a crime scene that early on into the investigation when you claim you have no idea what happened? Okay, let's take a look at the scene. Second part of this clip. Savannah is talking now about the ransom note, and I'm really interested to know your theories about this ransom note, who the authors may be, the legitimacy of it, or whether someone is attempting to cover their tracks with this ransom note. Here we go.
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We, too, have heard the reports about a ransom letter in the media. As a family, we are doing everything that we can. We are ready to talk. However, we live in a world where voices and images are easily manipulated. We need to know without a doubt that she's alive and that you have her. We want to hear from you, and we are ready to listen. Please reach out to us now.
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What I find so telling is that in the please reach out to us, which I know is deliberate in law enforcement. The FBI went over this language with a fine tooth comb, but that tells us that this Guthrie family and law enforcement has had no real communication with the author or authors of this note.
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Know why? Because it's okay.
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Thank you.
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It's just bullets. Look, it. Look, a real ransom note is going to come contemporaneously with the kidnapping. It's going to be specific, and it's going to have terms. It's going to have the ransom, it's going to have proof of life, all the things that are missing from what we know about this ranch. And by the way, if I'm going to kidnap somebody, I'm not going to send the ransom note demand to tmz.
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Oh, my God. I know. You're so right. You're so right, and you're asking for.
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Bitcoin and all this stuff. Now, what this does smell like to me, it smells like some opportunistic criminal, maybe sitting overseas somewhere, maybe in Russia or whoever. Wherever else, and is taking advantage of this opportunity to try to con somebody out of some money, or in this case, maybe some bitcoin. I speculated on MK True Crime, that maybe it's. Maybe it's so close to Mexico, maybe it's A, you know, a cartel thing. But I've moved on from that.
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I don't think cartels need the money.
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No. And they don't do it this way. But when they started asking, the only thing that made me think that was it was the bitcoin aspect. But, but I, you know, I don't think it's that it smells like something that is either an opportunistic criminal overseas or somewhere just trying to make a quick buck off this tragedy. Or it could be the real suspect in the case or the real criminal, as you mentioned, trying to throw law enforcement trying to point them in another direction. And then when you add to that, now we then have the cell bright kid going back into the sister's house. Now it's like, are they looking for deleted evidence of some kind of email that may have been sent with a, a ransom note? Who knows? But these press conferences that say all kinds of things yet say nothing at the same time, all that does is, is, causes us to have things to speculate about and it starts the, you know, the conspiracy theories going and all that. But at this point, since law enforcement has not really given us much information that we can work with, we're left to fill in the blanks. And when I start looking at this objectively and I see that cellbrite going in there, and it's right after the email, I'm starting to deduce that they could very well be investigating the sister and her husband for perhaps being the source of that ransom email.
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Agreed. And what also struck me is that Thursday's presser, this, this, this note is a letter, email, whatever, is the work of amateurs. Number one, if this, if this email originated from overseas, the FBI would have knocked it down right away. They would have sourced that IP address. I would think. Unless there's somebody who's on the super dark web, which means a level of sophistication, you know, that this case does not bear the hallmarks of. And secondly, the demand was that all the money be deposited by 5pm Thursday. And one reporter at the presser said was that Eastern time. And the sheriff, we don't know, which means the dummy who wrote the ransom note didn't even know whether to say central time, Mountain time, Pacific time or eastern Time.
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You know, I guess I give. I haven't thought about that with the IP address. You know, there's so many ways to mask an IP address. I assume that everybody knows that you could do that. But when you, when you factor in the things that you just mentioned, which is the general lack of sophistication. Once you look just past the surface of this bullshit note, the whole thing just starts to seem like it just, you know, and they, they said today at the press conference that there was at least one bogus ransom note that, that there's going to be some kind of prosecution over. So look, this may not be the end of. We may see other fake ransom notes. Who knows, they may be chasing these things down for the next several days. But if the goal was to throw law enforcement off and give them something else to do, search someone's house, then perhaps they've succeeded. Although we did see video now, I think that we used to, you know, I remember when we had news helicopters that were the only way to stalk police when they were out in the field doing these investigations. Now we have high quality drones, right? And so the drones, and they're, they're, they give much clearer pictures and so they can zoom right in and, and they showed these investigators in the bedrooms at the sister's house and in the garage taking pictures, putting things in bag. Know, if you add that, there it is. Yeah. So if you add that to the reporting by Ashley Banfield, you start to do the math and you say, okay, well, Ashley's reporting does have the ring of truth to it, doesn't it? And so the sheriff, despite his protestations to the contrary, I seem to think that they are focusing their efforts on the sister and the sister spouse.
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I agree completely. And I believe that law enforcement left with 15 bags full of potential evidence from the sister's house. Here we're going to see in the third of the, of four clips from Savannah's video, her begging, speaking to her mother. I think it's clear from this that Savannah, unlike her siblings, who seem remarkably. Their affect and demeanor is. You could generously call it stoic, you could less generously call it unemotional. It's Savannah who seems to be begging to her mother and the belief that her mother is alive. Here we go.
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Mommy.
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If you are hearing this, you are a strong woman. You are God's precious daughter.
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Nancy.
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We believe and know that even in this valley, he is with you. Everyone is looking for you, mommy, everywhere. We will not rest. Your children will not rest until we are together again.
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What do you make of that? What do you make of the demeanor of the siblings?
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It's, it's weird. And I use that term in the most scientific possible way. Very, very weird. But look, so many weird things about this case. Where's the last place that this woman Went, or she was known to go, was to this, her other daughter's house, which is close by.
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But that's new information, Phil. And this is what I find so fascinating about the drip, drip, drip, especially now that the FBI is involved. We just learned that at Thursday's presser, we were told that she was out playing mahjong. We didn't know how she left the house, we didn't know where that game was. The implication was it was a church related activity. Now we learn, oh no. Nancy took an Uber that evening to her daughter's house, to Annie and her husband's house, where she had dinner. Then they played mahjong. We don't know if they left and went somewhere else. It now looks like she spent the entire night in the company of the daughter Annie and her husband, Tommaso. And it was Tommaso who drove Nancy home.
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So we're told. And so how do, how does law enforcement know that? Are they getting that information from Tommaso? Look, look, they know that she took an Uber over there. That's easy enough to, you know, to verify. They've got her phone. Uber's got records, you know, that's easy enough to corrupt. But. So here's my other question though. If your mom is going to come over to hang out and she just lives a few miles away and she's 84, are you going to make her call an Uber by herself or are you just going to go get her? I know what we would do. My wife would make me go get her or she would go get her. Right, but we're not going to just Uber mom over there for the and then drive her back home. There may be a perfectly good explanation for that. It just seems odd. But we seem to be left with, I guess the word of the daughter and her husband that as to what time grandma came home, do we have any proof of that?
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Is there any garage door closing? They say that the digital timestamp of the garage door closing matches the self report that they drove her to the house at 9:45, the garage door closed at 9:50.
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That. Well, that what that proves to me, though, to play devil's advocate, is that the garage door opened and closed. It doesn't prove that entered through the garage door or that Tommaso and spouse brought her there.
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Unless they are. Unless law enforcement does have that cloud footage from the NEST cameras which they keep claiming they don't have and that the company is dragging their feet. And I'm sorry, but when the President of the United States United States says, hey, Savannah, Guthrie, whatever you guys need, the full force of the federal. Federal law enforcement is behind you. I think that the Nest company is going to give them that footage asap.
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I would think so. And we know though that the, the, I guess the ring doorbell, whatever the doorbell, camera was, whatever. Yeah, so it was, it apparently was removed Shortly, what, after 1:00am in the morning local time. And then we know that the pacemaker stopped communicating by Bluetooth with the Apple watch and the iPhone around 2, 2:30. So we have a pretty good idea of the time frame when this whole thing took place. So what I want to know is have law enforcement, have they put together what we call a geofence or if not, why not? Because what that geofence is, it allows law enforcement to take the known time of disappearance and they get a subpoena or a warrant and they contact usually Google or the tech providers and they say, we want a list of every device that entered and exited through this perimeter over this particular period of time. Let's just call it midnight to 3am and then they can start ruling out people and innocent like you could rule out the Ubers or whatever. And then you can start narrowing it down to individuals you might want to look at more closely. So I don't know if the sheriff has told us anything about whether they're using the geofencing technology, but if not.
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I don't think he's heard of it. Phil?
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Well, I watched most of that presser. I didn't see any discussion of it, but it's a great tool. The FBI certainly knows about it. They use it all the time. And so somebody needs to, I guess, explain to whoever that there are things that they can be doing. And if maybe they are, let's give them the benefit of the doubt. Let's say they are doing these things, but they're not telling us. They seem to be just telling us things that they don't know. And they have these press conferences that go on and on and on with little to no meaningful information being disseminated. I think that some media training might be in order over there.
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Oh, for sure. I mean, I will say this. When the. It seems that the media really wanted to talk more to the FBI special agents on at that presser because the sheriff would take the podium and they would say, no, no, no, we want to talk to him. There's a marked difference in the way that the special agent in charge said, we're not giving you that information or that information is unavailable. Even the verbiage was different. Instead of. I don't know, it was, we're not giving it or that's unavailable. And he spoke with confidence, meaning that, like, you can't tell what he knows and what he doesn't know. I did think that it was a salient detail that came out that we now know that Nancy took an Uber to the daughter's house. It's law enforcement just swatted that right aside. They weren't like, yeah, the Uber driver's a suspect. You know, that was just like. Yeah, we ruled that out. She was over there the bulk of the night, and then she was in the house, and that's it. And there were only two people who were apparently with her for the bulk of the night. The other thing that I thought was fascinating is the iPhone was left in the house, and this was a detail that we didn't get before we knew that. Like, there was no robbery. You know, there was no money, stolen jewelry. Her Apple watch was left behind. But the iPhone. There is not a single soul who goes anywhere without their iPhone.
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No. And one of the problems. Look, there's lots of problems with this presser, but just one of them that comes to mind right now is when. When you tell the world what you know or what you don't know as an investigator, unless you're purposely lying for some kind of tactical advantage, you're telling the suspect useful information, and law enforcement really should hold a lot of things back that. Let's just say something that only the perpetrator would know, right? So maybe there was piece of a glass that was broken or something like that that they've kept to themselves. And then they get a suspect. They get the suspect in an interview room, and they get a confession. If the suspect is able to corroborate the things that, like, let's say my hypothetical broken glass, things that aren't publicly available in the media, then, you know, you're dealing with probably a truthful. A real confession versus a false confession, because, hey, false confessions are real. But when they go to the podium and they start answering all of these questions with so much detail, like, we don't know this. We don't know this, we don't know this. I think you're giving potential, an advantage, potential to the perpetrators so that they can continue to cover their tracks. It's not how I would conduct a presser if it were me that's in charge, but if I ever get elected to be the sheriff out there, maybe we'll do it different.
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You know, Phil, the other thing that, that leads me to believe the ransom note is. Is a. A faint meant to throw the investigation off of its tracks. We have been told that there were details in the ransom note that have not been made public that would only be known to the person who. Or persons who took Nancy. And one of those details is what she was wearing. What. What do you make of that?
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Well, so here's the thing. So how do we know what she was wearing? Right, Because.
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Well, what if, what if the, the police obviously would say to the daughter Annie and the husband, well, when you dropped her off at the house, what was she wearing? Oh, your mom has limited mobility. It was late at night for her. 9:45 is late for an 84 year old woman. Do you help her into her night clothes routinely? What did you put her in? Where'd you put the dirty clothes? Does she have a hamper? Where is it?
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Well, do we really think that the son in law is helping her into her night clothes?
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No, I think the daughter would though.
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Well, and so, you know, what she was wearing when she got home is certainly interesting to know, but we don't know what she may have been wearing at 2 o' clock in the morning. Maybe it's the same thing. Maybe it's not. Without seeing the entirety of that ransom note, fake or otherwise, we just can't tell. But look, the. Let's just say it is the real killer or. I'm sorry, did I say killer? I shouldn't have said that. The reason.
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But I think we all, we all kind of.
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Yeah.
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Are coming to the same conclusion. Day six on Fridays. Friday. Today is day six.
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The killer, the assailant, the perpetrator. If that person or persons is sending this ransom note as a faint, which is a great word, thank you, then they would also know what she was wearing and they could plant that information in the ransom note just to make it look more legitimate. So again, the whole thing about the ransom note, it just, just. It doesn't have the overall ring of truth to me. I think that if they're going to really seek a ransom, they would have done so within a matter of hours, not five or six days. So we'll just have to see how that plays out. But it wouldn't surprise me if we don't see another arrest coming about the.
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Ransom note, the final part of the Savannah Guthrie video. And I really wanted to. I really wanted to get your take on this because it is the only time we hear her brother speak and the sister again chimes in towards the end and again Both of their affects are markedly different than Savannah's. Let's take a look.
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We love you, mom. Thank you, mom.
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We love you, mom. Stay strong.
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We love you, mom. We love.
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Bill.
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You know, look, look, I keep, I'm not accusing anyone of anything. I keep going to the sister and that's where my attention is drawn. I don't know that. I don't know how these people normally act in real life. So I don't really have any basis for comparison. All I can tell you is that there's one person in that who definitely looks genuine, and that's Savannah Guthrie. Right. I do have questions about the sister, but look, I don't want to speculate. I want to basically know what the evidence is. But the whole thing to me, sort of, I go back to the, the law enforcement training. You start close to the victim and you start ruling people out. And I don't think that we can rule any of those people out right now. And so all of the evidence seems to be focused on the house where this occurred and then the immediate area which includes the daughter's house. And so that's where the cops are bagging up evidence. That's where the cell bride is. That's where the focus of the investigation is. They're not out there going grid to grid looking for great woods and in fields. They don't have the neighbors going arm in arm looking for somebody. So they believe, in my opinion, they, they believe that they know who is responsible and they're trying to meticulously build a case.
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Phil, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant observations and insights. Hard one to be sure. Thank you so much for joining us on the nerve to talk about this incredibly tragic and fascinating case.
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Always happy to be here with you.
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Thanks, Phil. Coming up, the one and only Ashley Banfield of the podcast Drop Dead Serious is going to join us next and she is going to tell us how it is she has come to learn that law enforcement is looking at one to two people very close to Nancy Guthrie, very close to Savannah Guthrie in this investigation. We will be back in a minute. Your liver does more than you know when it comes to regulating energy, hormones, digestion and even your mood. But stress toxins and processed foods can constantly overload it. So. So what can you do? Introducing Peak's Liver Detox Protocol. This two step system is both gentle and powerful. Peak leverages nature's most potent botanicals, minerals and vitamins and combines those with their own cutting edge extraction technology to create supplements that make a difference. This protocol has two main parts. A strong Sri Lankan turmeric mixed with cinnamon and black pepper to help your body absorb better and a spicy Sri Lankan ginger combined with cinnamon to support your immune system, improve blood flow and help with digestion. This all leads to less bloating, steadier energy and a clearer head. No miracles, just consistent well being. Peak elevates nature's best with cutting edge tech. Pure effective Ditch the fads and commit to intentional health. Unlock 20% off and establish your powerful foundation for sustained well being@peaklife.com thenerve that's.
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Joining us now is none other than Ashley Banfield, host of the Drop Dead Serious podcast and must subscribe YouTube channel. Ashley is a veteran crime reporter with more than three decades of experience and she has broken bombshell new details in the disappearance of Savannah Guthrie's mother, Nancy Guthrie. Ashley, thank you so much for joining the Nerve today.
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Hey, it's good to see you again.
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Great to see you again, Ashley. So you're reporting. I saw more than one person online say, you know, I got up early this morning because my dog, dog made me go out at 3am and I went on to YouTube to Ashley's channel and I was like, oh my God. Because you posted this, this video on two early, early Wednesday morning with, with this bombshell development that the the FBI is looking at Savannah's brother in law, Tommaso Chioni, if I'm pronouncing his name right, married to Savannah's sister, Annie Guthrie, and that they have impounded the car belonging to Annie Guthrie. What can you tell us?
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So I'm being very, very specific with my language and with my sourcing. You know, Maureen, the thing is, in 38 years I have amassed a Rolodex of so many people in the FBI, so many people on border patrol, local law enforcement all around the country. And so I have a lot of sources and this one might be one of my highest level, an impeccable source. And so, you know, I think a lot of people have been taking the boots to me thinking that this is, you know, wild Wild west reporting. It's not. If I were at cnn, msnbc, News Nation, or any other of the major networks where I've worked, this would have gone to air there, too, because of the source that I have, and I want to be very specific about this source's language. First and foremost, I was told the NEST cameras, plural, were smashed, not taken, not one in the front, more than one. And then that it's likely that the person who did this knew where they were. So those cameras were smashed. Brian Enten at News Nation saw that, at least the front door, it's missing. Asked the sheriff about that. Sheriff said, oh, I noticed that, too. We're looking into it. That's a bit, you know, that's obfuscation. Obfuscating a little bit. But.
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So I want to talk to you about that sheriff.
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Yeah, I mean, nice guy. He's in a. He's in a jurisdiction that doesn't see a lot of crime. Last one, I think that was really big was Gabby Giffords, you know, over what, 10, 15 years ago. So. So we've been to this rodeo a lot, too. Small communities suddenly hit with a massive press contingent and a very serious crime. And there's a lot to do in real time in front of live cameras, and that's not easy. I give them a lot of grace for that. So NEST cameras destroyed. Smashed was the word used. Back door left wide open. Blood inside house. And we also know there's blood outside the house from News Nation's Brian Enten, his incredible reporting and videotaping the blood spatter out in front of the front door on those tiles, but interestingly enough, not on the gravel walkway that would take you to perhaps a waiting car or some conveyance because Nancy Guthrie can't walk more than 50 yards on her own. So the next thing became even bigger, and that was that the daughter's car has been towed. That's Annie Guthrie's car has been towed by the police and put into evidence. And that. And here's the most important quote, and I'm using the source's words exactly. Son in law, maybe prime suspect now.
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Wow.
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That to me was big. And, you know, do the police walk that stuff back when it goes out publicly? Absolutely.
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Explain why.
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Well, I'll tell you what, I'll read you. I'll read you an example of this that I just went through.
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Okay.
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And you did, too. We all did. And there was so much to sort through on retrospect. It's like, oh, yeah, on. On December 19, 2022, Moscow Police identified through genealogy the DNA that was found on the knife sheath of the Ka Bar knife that was used to kill those four students at 1122 King Road. They identified the name Brian Kohberger on 19 December 2022. On 20 December 2022, one day later, the police chief, James Fry of the Moscow Police went up on camera on the Facebook page for the Moscow police and say, we have no suspects at this time. Let me read it for you. Let me read you exactly what he said. No suspect or suspects have been identified at this time and only vetted information that does not hinder the investigation will be released to the public. We encourage referencing official releases for accurate and updated progress. So like I said, that's not true. No suspects have been identified at this time. They had already followed Bryan Coburger across the country. They had set FBI surveillance teams who, FYI, lost him along the way and then refound him as he traveled across the country two weeks before he was cuffed in Pennsylvania. So they absolutely had identified a suspect. They absolutely knew who they were looking for. And they were starting to look to pull trash at his father's home. Look, they have a job to do and I respect that. I understand that. But sometimes they do deflect the things that we find out on our own when we're kept in the dark. We were kept in a gag order for almost three years on that Idaho case. And yet reporting came out anyway. But this kind of thing came out too. You're wrong, you know, you don't have suspects. There are no suspects when clearly there was.
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Ashley, how much of this do you think is down to just ego? You know, in my own reporting, I've encountered this before where local police and the FBI are at loggerheads and local police feel they're being big footed by the FBI. I mean, I personally do not give this sheriff very much grace. I think that these bumbling, contradictory statements he's making with great confidence are actually helping whoever committed this crime. How much of it do you think is the sheriff trying to wrest control of this narrative, thus the case back in front of the national media?
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I have a few schools of thought on that, and they are varying. Number one, yes, there's oftentimes acrimony between federal officials and local officials. I don't see that here. I have. I haven't seen any evidence of any consternation between these bodies. I think they seem to be working pretty cooperatively. And again, Pima county not known for regular crime. They don't just they're not just, they don't have muscle memory in this kind of thing. So they might welcome this, you know, this incredible skill set that comes from the FBI. So I don't necessarily think that's the that's at issue. As for the sheriff with contradictory statements, it's been a little frustrating. One of them in particular has been very frustrating because can't get to the bottom of it. And the sheriff himself has said it three different ways. The sheriff has said that Annie Guthrie dropped off Nancy Guthrie at 9:45ish. Then the sheriff said Annie and her husband Thomas dropped off and dropped off Nancy Guthrie at around 9:30 to 9:45. And then Thomas dropped off Nancy. So was it one, both or either of these people who were the last to see Nancy Guthrie and dropped her off? So we're just loggerheads because of the varying from the sheriff himself. Again, it's a lot to process the onslaught that we are when we show up at these scenes and you are trying to do a lot of things. You're trying to navigate a lot of different policing entities that come into your community and suddenly figure out a command center and who's in charge and what's the flow of communication. That's not easy. It's not easy dealing with the communication to the press. We're all over the place texting, we get numbers right away, we're right into their DMs and all the rest. That's a lot. And then in real time trying to disseminate what information you have and tap dancing real time. And as a live journalist, I can tell you it's not easy to tap dance real time when you're live in front of live cameras negotiating when to be honest and when to hold back for the interest of the investigation. So it is a hard job and it is even harder when you're not seasoned in it because your community is a safe community that doesn't see a lot of crime.
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I mean I do think it's an argument for this sheriff to cede the spotlight to somebody who is more conversant with how the media works and what you say and when you say it and why you say it. To your point on Sunday, he said or his office said, we called homicide right away. You call homicide for one reason. You think somebody's been murdered and the body's been moved. On Wednesday, after denying that the, the brother in law is, is a prime suspect, he said, oh, also we, I have every reason to believe Nancy is alive. I, I mean I have no Evidence. But I believe she's alive and we're going to find her, which is something you never say.
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Also contradictory to the day before, which was more hopeful. I can only hope. All I have right now is the hope that she still is. That was what I believe the wording was. And I'm paraphrasing, but the essence of the wording the day before was we can only hope. All we can do is hold onto the hope that she's still alive. So, yeah, things have been contradictory. But I will say this. Sometimes things are said by law enforcement to facilitate the ease and confidence of people they're investigating. Let their guard down, make them feel there's nothing to see here, that media is wrong. You just go about your business and just chatter away and don't bring in a lawyer. I get that and that happens a lot. And I have a feeling that might be what happened in the Coburger case. That's why the police chief, one day after getting the confirmation from genealogical DNA on the knife sheet that it's Brian Coburger they're looking for. And also having followed him across the country already to the Pennsylvania home, he goes out publicly and puts up a video which he himself curated. This was his own sheriff's video or his own police department video in Moscow, Idaho, saying no suspect or suspects identified at this time and only vetted information that does not enter the investigation will be released to the public. They want to make sure Bryan Coburger still drops his Q tips everywhere. They want to make sure he doesn't guard himself because He's a criminology PhD. They want him to feel comfortable so that maybe he'll say something or text something. So I can see why they do that. Look, I'm a big girl with big girl pants. You can take the piss out of me, but I've been to the rodeo before and I can see how things could be the way they are, the way my source says they are. I can also see how they can change their mind later.
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Ashley, what do we know about the brother in law and or Annie Guthrie and the dynamic between Savannah and Annie?
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So I can't tell you that. And I'm a friend of Savannah's. You know, when I say a friend, you know, we worked together at Court TV for a long time. We were pals. We've always texted, we've done charity work together. I don't see her all the time. We're in different phases of our lives. We live in different cities. But I can tell you she's Just one of the kindest, nicest, most honorable and honest loving people of all time. And I, you know, not a lot of people like Savannah, but she's the real deal. I have no idea what her relationship is like with her sister. There are Christmas photos showing them all together wearing matching Christmas jammies. So there's gotta be some kind of good nature between this, this family with their mom. As far as Tommaso Sioni know this and it's literally from what I could find, just sleuthing out things on various websites. He's 50 years old, he lives in Tucson. He's married to Annie Guthrie. He's got a metal or Annie has a metalsmithing shop. His bio strangely is on a strange website. It's Tapirulan Cultural association which is a non profit that's based in Cremona, Italy. It's focused on promoting contemporary artists. It's been around since 2004. And this is the quote of his bio on that website. I was born in San giovanni Valdarno on June 18, 1975. Since 2006 I have lived in Tucson, Arizona. I write when I have the chance. I study lizards, I play the electric bass, I make homemade pasta. End quote. That's the bio on that Italian website. But LinkedIn says he is a teacher at Basis Oro Valley School from 2007 till present that he is a primary instructor for 6th grade science and AP biology. And then there's Reverb Nation, that's a music website that reports he put out an album with a three man music group called Early Black. That's the name of the music group, Early Black. And there's some photos that show him with a trio of guys. I don't know if it's the band or not, but they look at sort of like a band, black and white photo, three guys. I just know I've seen that photo but I haven't seen it associated with a label or anything. But he's got a three man music group and he plays the electric bass.
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This is so fascinating, Ashley, because I was doing a little research on Annie earlier today and she too seems to be a frustrated artist. She published a 68 page book of poetry which is apparently told from the point of view of a mentally ill woman. That's the reporting I've read. I haven't read the book yet. And if her, if she's a frustrated writer and her husband is a frustrated musician and they've got a prominent member of the family who is incredibly successful, has fame and fortune, you know, again I don't want to get ahead of ourselves, but if this turns out to be a sort of Nick Reiner adjacent kind of crime, you know, the. It seems now that the ransom note note law enforcement is saying is something that they are taking extremely seriously. And the ransom note, the latest reporting is that it demands millions in Bitcoin, contains specific examples about the crime scene, including the specific damage to the home and what Nancy was wearing that night. The author or authors have said Thursday is the deadline for the money to be deposited. It deposited. Excuse me. And if they don't get it by Monday, they will kill her.
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Well, I got a couple thoughts about that and they're just my own. They're not based on reporting. There are a lot of parasites that come out of the woodwork with bitcoin who can't be traced. Some of them are very good at hiding their IP addresses. Who knows if this is one of them? Who knows if it's a deflection of the real person who took her. I do know that the FBI is very good at this and generally speaking, that the public thinks they're smarter than they are. Coburger was a PhD student and he screwed up royally. So the average Joe out there probably doesn't understand the technical abilities of the FBI these days and what they can track. I just hope that this is some outside parasite who's just trying to get in on the action, that they're prosecuted to the full extent of the law because it's just sick. Sick to do this kind of thing. And if it is a. If it is someone who's associated with the crime who's trying to make money off this, even worse.
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What seems to give it credence to me, Ashley, is that they're not saying that the details contained within the note, which are about the damage to the home and what Nancy was wearing, are incorrect.
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Right. Well, the police didn't even know what she was wearing. The cameras were smashed. They didn't see her being taken out of the home. They are surmising that she was taken out of the home. By the way, my source also said that the police wouldn't clarify a timeline to us, the press, but they. But they 100% have locked in on 2am at the time her pacemaker separated from her devices, left behind in the home.
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I wanted to ask you your thoughts about the vague timeline that still exists for the arrival of. It sounds like Annie and her husband, but we're unclear. I believe leave to Nancy's home after the call came that she Was she had not attended. She had attended church that morning, as she does every Sunday. And the. And the time at which they called 91 1, and it seems as though from my reading, that an hour had elapsed, that they arrived Sunday or they were informed Sunday at 11am and that the call to the police was at least 60 minutes later.
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So I'll give the benefit of the doubt here, and I will imagine the. The church friend calls, they go over to the house, maybe they went in the back door, not the front door where the blood was, and they see that the back door's open and they think that's odd. And maybe they saw blood inside the house and thought, oh, God. And wondered if she had been injured and was trying to get to her car and might have fallen somewhere or was somewhere else outside. And so took some time to look around, not only all throughout the house, but also all around the house, maybe even running down the streets calling her name. So, you know, an hour, it's a fair amount of time for someone who can't walk more than 50 yards on her own.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But if you want to be thorough and you want to be careful and you don't want to, you know, alert the police to come out to this rural area, you want to get your ducks in a row because, you know, you have an ailing mom, right? You know that she might have fallen, maybe died at 84. So you're trying to look for her, dial her phone, you're trying everything you can. I don't know. I mean that I can't. I can't. I can't weigh in any further than that. It could be either of those things. You're either buying time or you're literally trying to find what the hell happened to my mom. Check every box, look everywhere, walk everywhere, run everywhere, dial the phone a million times, go upstairs, go downstairs, go to the attic, go to the basement, you know, go into the nooks and crannies. Sometimes she crawls into the cupboard, back in the back to put the shoes away. Whatever it is. I think you're looking everywhere at that point for her. It could be either.
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I think that's a. That's a generous assessment, I believe. And what strikes me really as highly suspicious about it, there are a couple of things. One, again, the cops are being very vague on the. On the actual timeline. And the moment to moment of, of whoever was in that house doing that welfare check was doing. If I have a mother who does not have dementia and cannot walk any further than 50 yards on her own without assistance. And I get to that house and I see the back door is flung open. I don't know why I would be going in the back door instead of the front door. I would be flying to her bedroom. And if I. I would imagine that that crime scene, that bedroom was a. I'm going to guess it was a violent scene because we don't know. As. We don't know. But as sheriff said, it's an epicenter.
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Yeah, we're not sure. We don't know that the bedroom is an epicenter. The sheriff something about being dragged from her bed. And then the next day had to put out a statement saying, I didn't think. You take me literally. That's not what I meant, that she was dragged from her bed.
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I took him literally.
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Well, a lot of us. Yeah, a lot of us did. Oh, my God. She was dragged from her bed. And I thought, well, why didn't I get that, you know? But no, he walked that back. He said, I did not mean that to sound literal. Being dragged from her bed. So we don't. It could be. I don't know.
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Okay, so now, Ashley, now that this opens another aperture, another theory of the case that Nancy never went to bed that night, that there was some kind of if, if, if, if the sister and the brother in law of Annie Guthrie and Tomasso took her home and. And they got into some kind of argument and somebody lost their temper and perhaps it was an accident or perhaps it was not and things got out of control. And you wind up with this sort of Fargo esque scenario in which they panicked and moved the body themselves under cover of night in this very remote area.
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I don't want to go that far. There's so many possibilities. I keep thinking about someone coming to the house late. There's blood at the front door. And I'm wondering if somebody. She rang the doorbell many, many times to get her out of bed because it's hard to bring somebody down the stairs that doesn't have a lot of mobility. And out she came to the front and was hit, hence the blood spatter at the front door, but not down the pathway. And maybe the struggle or the energy moved inside the home, which is now why there's blood inside the home. And the egress was out the back door, where maybe it's a little easier to have a car or some way to get. Get her out of the house without potential cars going by, seeing a vehicle there. I don't know. There's a lot of different Possibilities here.
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Interesting. Interesting. I would. I just automatically assumed, given her limited mobility, that her bedroom would have been on the first floor. I don't know why.
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C
I think that you're absolutely right. It could have been. I don't know where her bedroom is either. But I'm just thinking that how. Why is there blood at the front door? Was that too bad?
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Do we know what that blood spatter is composed of? I've read various. Again, it's just online that. That they've identified it as. As a kind of expectorant. Like it has a mucus component to it that she would have. That she would have expelled it through her mouth or nose.
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I don't have that. I just know that when the DNA was tested, and I'm assuming blood, because if you see blood at a crime scene, you're testing it, it came back as hers and not a suspect's.
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Interesting. Interesting. Thank you, Ashley, for joining the Nerve. And you have advanced this story more than any other journalist thus far.
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Well, Brian Anton.
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Brian and Brian Anton, Yes.
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I mean, finding that blood at the front door is so massive because it just. It's just perplexing. If you're bleeding like that, Maureen, you're gonna keep bleeding if you're being pulled down the. You know, the gravel stones, and there will be evidence of that. The blood stayed right there at the front door on those tiles. And Brian said there was no evidence that blood went out to the driveway. And again, I say driveway because. Because the woman probably would have had to be taken away in a car, given that she couldn't walk more than 50 yards.
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Yes. And so I. One of my thoughts about that is whoever did this was in a panic and tried to initially take her out through the front door and then thought better of it. Oh, there's nest cameras. Oh, there might be landscaping lighting around. Oh, we might be surveilled here. Took her back through the house through the back door and drove the car and did it in the back of the house.
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And I don't know that you can get a car to the back of the house.
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This is me just trying to figure.
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Out why is the back door wide open and there's blood at the front door. That was something for me that I was trying to think through. In a scenario where she's taken from her home. Kidnapped is the word that the sheriff used with me. Kidnapped. How are both of those entrances to the home used in this crime? And listen, there's a lot of possible scenarios.
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There are a lot. Well, we've just Loved talking to you about about this case. You're just tops when it comes to this stuff. Thank you so much, Ashley for joining the Nerve.
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C
So good to see you. Thanks, Maureen.
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We are back. Now before we get into your incredible feedback, I saw this on Thursday morning, fourth hour of Today. Now mind you over at the Today show, home of Savannah Guthrie whose mother has been missing for now. It's six days. Okay. Sunday will mark a week that her 84 year old sickly mother, mother was abducted from her home, we are told was dragged out of her bed forcibly. Savannah on Wednesday night released a video on Instagram. The minute she dropped it, that thing went viral. It was like, it was like an accelerant on Wildfire. Okay. And on Thursday morning, Jenna, Savannah's BFF over at the Today show, this goes to show you how you want to talk real talk about fake people in the in the face of this unspeakable tragedy. Okay, Jenna and Chanel, the new DEI hire. Let's all get real. We're just gonna say it because she's so useless. And I'm going to show you an exact. You're going to hear it come right out of Chanel's mouth. Savannah is in Tucson. Obviously. She took the first flight out on Sunday day. Jenna loves to tell us that she is as big as a. Of a Christian, of a devout Christian as Savannah is. So much so that she and Savannah share the same church, Good shepherd, in New York City, and that they've been going there together since their babies were babies. Jenna's oldest, I believe, is 13 years old. And I think Savannah's kids are like school age, like 10 and 7. Okay, okay. So vigil at Jenna's church in New York City, blocks from where Jenna works, on Wednesday evening, the same evening that that Savannah releases this gut wrenching video. Did Jenna bother to go? No. Did Chanel bother to go? Chanel, who's just been promoted up the ranks at the Today show, did she bother to go? No. Why would they go? No. They're just going to show up on set and in your living room or wherever you're being, you know, held hostage at the DMV and cry their tears and look like. Okay, let's listen to Jenna talk about how she experienced the vigil at her church online. In the comfort of her own home, Distraught, mind you. Nevertheless, in the comfort of her own home. And let's listen to Chanel tell us whether she even bothered to watch it online. Here we go. I think the one that we had.
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Here in New York City, I wasn't.
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Able to hear or attend, so I would love to hear why.
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Yeah, no, it was so beautiful. At Good Shepherd Church in New York City, thousands joined online, and people were there in person as well. And it is a home church. It's a church that we both have been to for a decade, since our babies were babies. And the music and the words were so comfortable to so many. I heard from many that went Hoda person. But this song in particular.
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Oh, I stepped over that. Excuse me. She said after many that went. It's many who went, Jenna, you're such a big reader, such a big intellect. Many who went that she then says, Hoda was there. Hoda went in person. Now Jen is really going to turn on the waterworks. Listen, I'm telling you, if that was my best friend and there was a vigil in it blocks from where I worked, and I was getting on TV every morning Talking about how much I loved my best friend and my heart's breaking. And, you know, I think I would have. I think, I think, I think I would have carved out the time. Here's Jenna. She's gonna start crying. I don't think we see real tears, but, you know, we get, we get a big creaky voice and, you know, we're gonna get real, real pathos here. Here we go.
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As I was watching that with Mila, who is old enough to know what's happening, and my husband, I just had my arm around my little girl and she kept saying, it's gonna be okay, mommy.
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Oh, my God. So now Jen is co opting this tragedy and talking about how distraught she was. Again, viewing this from the comfort of her own home, no doubt on the second screen, scrolling Instagram and going, holy. Savannah just posted a video and. But no, she's crying on the sofa and her daughter is there. Her parentified daughter. It sounds like comforting Jenna and saying, it's going to be okay, mommy. And Chanel, we see why she got this hot promotion. Sits there with like the groundbreaking observation, oh, so she was comforting you. And Jenna goes, but she shouldn't have to. Well, maybe you should let your kid just watch, you know, wicked for the 8 millionth time on another screen in another room instead of, instead of subjecting her to this. Okay, this is now on to your feedback. Here we go. A few of them begin with the. We're going to talk a little bit about the nerve at night because we, we got, we got a ton, ton of feedback to the nerve at night. And the segment I did about the sheriff in the Savannah Guthrie, her, her, her missing mom case. And he's showboating and he's just fallen in love taking a bath in the media attention. And he's a. Just my opinion. Apparently many people hate him from what I'm hearing, who, you know, have to work with him. You can see why. Hi, Maureen, this is Troublemaker Love. When you addressed the elephant in the room regarding the Pima county sheriff, I had to laugh. Smirk in Parens. I lived in Tucson, Arizona for nearly 32 years and still have many ties to that community. The Pima County Sheriff's office is historically inept and the sheriffs are incompetent. Take Sheriff Dupnik, who I always referred to as dumb dick, who was the same way when Gabby Giffords was shot. This new guy, Nanos, is just like the local News outlets there that salivate whenever the town is mentioned in national news. It is vile and morbid. I'm relieved to see federal law enforcement involved. I think we all are. Because if it were left to those idiots, the family wouldn't have a chance of finding their loved one or knowing the truth. Unfortunately, if this were not a high profile figure figure, that would be exactly what would happen. I'm praying for the family that Nancy is found safe and sound. That is the hope we all hold. Dearest Maureen. Troublemaker Dars Den. Again he spells his name D A R S and then its second name, D, E N. I thought it was only me having problems with the big mouth sheriff. I screamed at my TV and pointed and said, shut up. You are grandstanding for the camera. I had a cold chill go up my spine when he first started talking. I pointed and screamed, you need to be released of duty and are going to cause this woman her death. The flaying of his arms and hands, all of his eyes, eyes, eyes. I think this might be his very first case ever. Just my opinion. Zip it and get off camera and get to work. This is not your TV debut. Time, time. Hi Moren. This is troublemaker Darlene. You're spot on with Nanos. He's a buffoon. I have lived in Tucson for many years. Mrs. Guthrie lives a couple of miles from me. Nanos has always been a political plant. Due to this poorly run city and county for many years, he's not equipped for the spotlight and this national attention shows it. Nancy. Oh boy. Might be across the border by now. Who knows? We just hope we get answers soon. This poor woman. Okay, we have an email from a troublemaker who shall remain. Oh, this is a true, true troublemaker. She sends us a photo of her dog, Scarlet. We. Oh, beautiful dog. We lost her six months ago. She was 14. We did her DNA and discovered she was a golden retriever. Shih Tzu. That was a shock. She was a 50 pound lap dog. And they finally decided to get a new puppy who this troublemaker tells us is a little devil dog. So adorable. The opposite of Scarlet. Challenging. My husband calls her his project. Meet Coco. And that's Coco with her little, little her little stuffy in her mouth. So cute. Hi, Maureen. You and Megan Kelly are due for another Mrs. Sussex parody. Don't you think I'm needing a dose of humor? Yes. This is from troublemaker Patricia and mini maker, Ms. Whitten, photo included of her cat, whose facial expression resembles the way Paul from New Zealand most loves to depict Teddy Van Ha nail in. Like, like his, his mouth is like open and his eyes are like, like, you know. You know. You know what I mean. And speaking of, this is an email from Paul from New Zealand who has attached three new artworks. I mean, there are many, many more in my inbox, but some of those will be on the sub stack, some of those will be on my Instagram. Paul, as discussed, when the, when the Nerve gets its wing in the Smithsonian, there will be a dedicated space for Paul from New Zealand and his art work. He gives us three. One, for the Nerve Steadman song sung to the tune of Frere Jacques. Where is he? Where is he? If Maureen can sing it on air, Paul says, then I can draw about it. Very brave indeed. Hey, thanks, Paul. Two, the next image is Netflix stockpiling Megan's leftover as ever products on their reception desk. A literal free for all. Oh, Paul is saying, we watched. They watched me on Kinsey show this week where Kinsey and I took a battering ram to that pinata. And then three, a Nerve artwork request. Oh, so Paul saw troublemaker Andy Kiwi, who is always in the live chats, very active during the nerve debuts on YouTube. So troublemaker Andy Kiwi requested did artwork for Blake and Ryan, who they call Snake and Pyro because Blake's a snake. Just my opinion. And Ryan's a psycho arsonist, self confessed, you know, to the arsonist part. I don't think he'd call himself a psycho. That's my opinion. And so anyway, Paul fulfilled Andy Kiwi's Nerve artwork request. And here we have Snake and Pyro troublemaker Sheila, who writes us very frequently. We love hearing from Sheila and she crammed this all into the subject line. She loved the most recent Nerve at Night, which also included a great, interesting, spiky conversation with Lady C. She said your pearls to pearls. It's not a heart to heart, it's a pearls to pearls. Conversation with Lady C was great. She is very intelligent, knowledgeable, logical, well spoken, spoken. Excuse me. And humorous. Indeed she is. We do disagree on the interpretation of the Andrew photo from the Epstein files, but I know you guys could tell that I didn't agree with that. Okay, Megan Markle, Summer, attention, grab. This is the subject line. Maureen, this is loyal troublemaker dawn from North Carolina. This will be when Megan Markle claims her father sexually assaulted her. As we here at the Nerve are predicting, this is the the next trick she's going to pull out of that weathered old fallen apart bag. Megan will claim her father sexually assaulted her. When William and Catherine visit the United states for the 250th anniversary of the founding of America, this troublemaker I said. Part of me said, how dare you? And part of me said, you're brilliant. This is troublemaker Robin. The subject line. For old time's sake. I opened this email and we're showing it to you in full screen. It's Aiden Shaw in the last season of the now canceled. And just like that, by the way, which there Jessica Parker keeps going around. Good. We're gonna maybe run this interview she did next week where she's talking about just what a piece of artwork, you know, sex in the city. And just like that was. And I'm gonna like, hold it up here too. It's Aiden in the cab of his pickup truck having phone sex with Carrie and licking his hand before he's gonna jam it down his pants. Hi, Art. Gladys. Gladys's jar. Here it is, you guys. Here it is. SJP off. Oh, my God. One is stuck on the camera. And tight. Okay, it's fine. Final email. The Woodshed is the subject line. Okay, this is troublemaker Terry. I'm not trying to be a past. Never, never. Just know that we do get a lot of feedback. So sometimes it's hard to keep up, but we try to read every single one. I forgot. I forgot to mention this to you. I wanted to share this song with you by the actor James woods, who is actually also a recurring guest on the MK show on his new album Tombstone Opera. The first track called Tell Me One More Time is about the Woodshed. I wonder if he is a troublemaker too. I don't know. We got to listen to it though, and report back. Back. Terry says keep up the great work. Thank you, Terry. I wish we could tune in every day to your podcast. You know, we may be have. We may have an announcement sooner than later about the show's growth. So hang tight for that. Okay, all of your feedback as usual. Incredible. And a quick reminder to keep it coming as ever. Email me at maureen devil may caremedia.com or DM me on Instagram at Maureen Callahan, writer, or at the Nerve show. And remember to subscribe to the nerve substack. That is our weekly email. Go over to thenerveshow.com you'll see a prompt. Would you like to sign up for our substack? Just put your email address in and every Friday at 3:00pm Eastern, our. Our. Our email wrap up will wind up in your inbox. It's that simple. So we highly recommend that. And you'll, you'll see a lot of our most active troublemakers, the Pauls from New Zealand. You know, of course, there's only one Andy Kiwi. We're doing a feature now where we're talking to troublemakers and getting deeper into your stories and experiences with other troublemakers in the show. It's really, really, really fun. And I do give recommendations also on that sub stack. I, I see your emails, like asking about some of my earrings, the red lipstick. We did that on last week's substack. It's like a three layered thing. So just go over there. All your questions will be answered, we hope. Okay, that does it. That does it for our Friday edition of the Nerve. But we will be back tomorrow with the Mini. Join us over on YouTube at 10am Eastern. The the Mini right now lives only on YouTube, but it's always a great time. Also, Nerve merch. Grab something for yourself or pick something up for a fellow troublemaker@shop thenerve.com you can also listen to the Nerve every Monday, Wednesday and Friday at 9am Eastern on Megan's Podcast Playlist, which you can find on Sirius XM channel 111, the Megan Kelly channel. We will see you tomorrow for the Mini. It's a banger. And then again next week right here at the Nerve, where you will never guess what we're about to say next.
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