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The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
The Downward Spiral of Michelle Obama and Prince Harry, and Megan Kelly Dishes on Diddy
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In a tag team dish session, Maureen and Megyn Kelly go all in on Michelle Obama's public pity party and her attention seeking "transition." Plus, Megyn shares her Met Gala encounter with Diddy in a women's bathroom. And Maureen has the scoop on the "What Not To Wear" reboot, exposing Stacy London and Clinton Kelly's true colors.
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Maureen Callahan
Hello and welcome to the Friday edition of the Nerve. I am Maureen Callahan. I am wearing for you today my shut your mouth T shirt. Maybe you should like hold your tongue and think quietly about whether you should continue that thought T shirt. And you're gonna see why in our first big discussion which you're gonna love having I think. Okay, so coming up we have another great show today. We have the one and only Megyn Kelly. Your friend and mine. She will be here and we are going to talk about stuff you'll never see coming. And I promise you we are not going to bang on about becoming newly minted astronauts like a certain insufferable morning show host slash Oprah appendage. And then we will take a look at you and I that is at a classic reality TV makeover show that has come back as a woke adjacent body positive non binary judgment free zone. It is the what not to wear redo as if fashion, as we discussed the other day, is such an accepting place. Okay, first we need to talk about Michelle Obama. We need to talk about Michelle Obama and one of the most epic sustained midlife crises happening in the public square in quite Some time. Okay, so she gave an interview the other day. You know, she's got this new podcast and in promoting this podcast, which I do not think is doing well, she talks to her brother. And they're not, you know, lighting the world on fire with these conversations because neither one of them are really that bright or really that interesting or original. So, you know, we have to, we have to get some, like, eyeballs. We have to generate some headlines. And so Michelle has now been appearing on other people's podcasts to promote said podcast, which I think is called IMO in my opinion, which is a terrible name. It tells me nothing. And frankly, I don't. After hearing Michelle bang on about her misery lo these many months. I don't really want to hear your opinion, Michelle. Sorry, I don't. So she goes on this guy, Jay Shetty's show. And if you don't know Jay Shetty, he is this very striking looking guy. He has these, like, piercing blue eyes. He is something of a self help guru. He probably clogs up your algorithm on Instagram. And he married. He married Ben and JLo 2.0, so. And that did not work out so well. So anyway, Michelle goes on Jay's podcast and she uses a very interesting word to describe what is going on in her life right now. Take a look.
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Michelle Obama
And at this, you know, phase of my life, I'm. I'm in therapy right now because I'm transitioning. You know, I'm 60 years old. I finished a really hard thing in my life with my family in tech. I'm an empty nester. My girls are in, you know, they've been launched. And now for the first time, as I've said before, every choice that I'm making is completely mine. I now don't have the excuse of, well, my kids need this or my husband needs that or the country needs that.
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Maureen Callahan
Michelle Obama used the word transitioning. She used the word transitioning, which in this culture for quite some time has meant only one thing, okay? And that means we are going from one gender to the other. Now, I think this is an epic attempt to generate some headlines that Michelle will no doubt take issue with, okay? She's got. She's going to be in moral high dungeon by Monday, okay? Trust me, there is no way this was. If I know this stuff, she knows this stuff. Her team knows this stuff. She knows that there is a cohort of people on the Internet who refer to Michelle, their words, not mine, as Big Mike. Okay? This cohort has long theorized that Michelle was Not born a biological female. Okay? So trust me when I tell you she knows what the word transitioning is, is going to do. Number two, she says in this interview she's now kind of at loose ends and is in therapy. I would suggest a new therapist. Okay? I. I don't think this one is working for you. She's at loose ends now that her kids have launched. I mean, have they. We're going to get to that. So she no longer needs to worry about her words. What the kids need from me, what Barack needs for me. I think what Barack needs from you, Michelle, is to question. Quit dragging his name and reputation through the public square as the worst husband ever. The husband who made you a multimillionaire, who put you in the White House, who put you in the history books, okay? Leave Barack alone. Okay? And then she says she doesn't need to worry about what the country needs for me. Okay? First of all, the hubris of this woman. First of all, she bitched and moaned about how awful it was to be the first lady, how awful it was for the media to give her a daily tongue bath about how she was the best, most glamorous, most substantial and consequential first lady since, frankly, Jacqueline Kennedy, which, shame on you. Okay? Jackie Kennedy is in a class of her own. So now she's sort of free of this encumbrance, right? It's like a flex. It's a humble brag. Like I don't have to worry about what the country needs from me. Well, you know, Michelle, the country could have used your appearance at Jimmy Carter's funeral. I think a president whose post presidency every American could look to and say, that guy was a decent guy, maybe not the best president, but a decent, God fearing guy who really cared about his community. And unlike you and your husband, retired from public life when they left the White House, they didn't go around hat in hand going, hey, Netflix, you want to give me like 30 mil? Hey, like Simon and Schuster or whoever their publisher was, want to give us a $60 million joint book deal, okay? And also what the country also needs from you, and I think your husband could have used from you, is not leaking that you were fuming because your husband dared to attend the inauguration of Donald Trump. And that, by the way, at Jimmy Carter's funeral, you were also seething because your husband sat next to Donald Trump and laughed it up and basically telegraphed to the country that nobody thinks this guy is going to destroy democracy or is really a racist, that they were engaged in what is, you know, textbook political warfare. When the dust settles and the election is over, we all just come together and try to make sure the next president is a success. Okay? I also want to note that in their coverage of Michelle's latest, you know, whatever utterances the New York Post called her, okay, it's the former first lady. They called her the Waffles emoji alum. And I almost fell off my chair laughing because that's one of those Netflix shows that she produces, along with, lest we Forget, a show that Netflix tried to bury that Michelle Obama produced and was the face of a reality dating show called Later Daters. Okay? Like, older people looking for love. Later Daters, okay? This is what this woman is doing with her life. So, you know, shut it. She also revealed that after her beloved mother died one year ago this May, she was 86 years old. So she had a good, long life. Barack joked to Michelle. This is what Michelle says. Barack joked to her. Barack allegedly said, you're up next. You're up next. Okay, let's listen to Michelle relay this and see how she does it.
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Michelle Obama
I guess, if anything, with Mom's loss, I think that. That, thank God you're my big brother, and I have a husband who's older. Because Barack was saying, you know, well, you're next up. And I was like, I'm not really ready to be next up. So I told him, you're next up.
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Maureen Callahan
Wow, that's like Edward Albee level stuff. That's like, who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? Like, she really has quite the retort there. I'm sure he was joking. I'm sure it was a little bit of black humor. You know, Barack Obama lost his mother when he was on the verge of getting elect. No, his grandmother. His mother died a long time ago. His beloved grandmother, who practically raised him, died right before he was elected. She didn't get to see that. And I'm sure he would have loved for her to have seen that. So, you know, I can't. Okay? So I want to get to Malia Obama, the elder of the two Obama girls, who has been trying to get a Hollywood career off the ground for quite some time. And, you know, when Michelle said in that earlier clip that, you know, the kids are launched, and I said, are they? I don't necessarily know that they are because Malia is involved in a bit of a plagiarism scandal. I think you can apply plagiarism to anything that, you know, extends beyond, say, the written word. So there was this filmmaker who had a short film premiere at Sundance last year, and Malia has just directed. I'm going to use this in quotes because it's my suspicion that she had a lot of help, or maybe she didn't, because these two things are extremely similar. First, we're going to look at a clip from the Sundance film. It's called Grace. Okay, now let's look at Malia Obama's Nike ad. Okay? 1, 2, and 3, 3, 3. Her game is, well, isn't that interesting? Now, I think that this filmmaker, she has a point. I think she's got. I think she's got a good case. You know, I also don't understand what Patty cake on a porch has to do with Nike. Just go for it. I don't understand that at all. And not for nothing, this is the first time I've seen that ad. I, I, I absorb a fair amount of television. So, you know, maybe Nike isn't so happy with what the final product was. A few notes about Malia and the Obamas and this insufferability that is just. They're spewing our way. Malia interned for Harvey Weinstein, okay? Before the trial, before long before this shit hit the fan. So you can't tell me again. I'm just a regular person in New York working, okay? I work in the media. But we all knew about Harvey Weinstein. We all knew. You cannot tell me that Barack and Michelle Obama did not know. Malia then interned for Lena Dunham, okay? Malia was 17 years old, and she was working for Lena Dunham on the set of the very explicit HBO show Girls. Okay? We're going to get into Lena a bit in another show, but Lena told Howard Stern that Malia was an angel. There was no way they were going to have her go get their coffee for them. I mean, why not, like, make this kid grind it out and, like, earn her stripes and know what it's like to work her way up from the bottom? And she also told VF that in 20. She told them in 2017. Then back when Malia was working for her, the Secret Service kept her from her own bathroom because, you know, Malia was in there, okay? And then she went to work for Donald Glover, you know, who's, like, got this dual career as, like, Childish Gambino, the rapper, who I think he has since retired, and he was the auteur behind Atlanta, in my estimation, a very highly overrated show. And so he. And she. She was in his writer's room, okay? And I'm just gonna say she has had access to like some very powerful Hollywood people. So Donald Glover recently said on a red carpet within the past couple of years on hiring Malia as a writer. She's just like an amazingly talented person. She's really focused and she's working really hard. And he thought she was gonna go on to be a great success. Okay, Malia Obama is now 26. She's been working in the industry for nearly 10 years. She's super connected. She wants a meeting with Ted Sarandos over at Netflix now. Done. Bob Iger, Done. Jeffrey Katzenberg, one of the hugest Democratic donors in the country. Done. I think we just would have seen a flash of greatness by now, my friends. Brand Obama seems to be in freefall and there is no one, I mean, no one better to dive into this with then my friend and fellow actress. Fellow producer. Sorry, not fellow. She's a producer. I'm not screenwriter and astronaut. Then Megyn Kelly up next on the Nerve. You know, the secret to great days is nothing short of better nights. And it all starts by turning your bedroom into a sanctuary with Cozy Earth. Their bamboo sheet. You will not believe it. You won't want to get out of bed for anything. They are the softest. They are the coolest, coolest. They are the most luxurious sheets you will ever own. They are breathable. They are temperature regulating. They are crafted to help you sleep like it matters, because it does. 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Maureen Callahan
Welcome back to the Nerve. I am beyond honored and so excited to have Megyn Kelly, my fellow astronaut, expanding her resume as an actress. A producer, non like, what can't this woman do? Is now, is now a guest on the Nerve. Look at this. Thank you. Thank you, MK for coming on the show. I so appreciate it.
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Megyn Kelly
I mean, I'm everywhere. I'm. The two of us are everywhere, but we're making it happen. Maureen, I love it.
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Maureen Callahan
I love it too. I love it too. And I have been dying to talk to you about Michelle Obama's ongoing midlife meltdown. Like her, as you put it, her stegosaurus hairdos, the utterance. The other day, she says she's transitioning. I mean, I think we both know what she's trying to do by using that word. I mean, what do you make of all of this? Like, what's going on in that psyche?
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Megyn Kelly
I think that transitioning line was meant to get attention because her podcast is failing. No one wants to watch it. And she's not used to that. She's used to being the center of attention. Everyone's interested in me. I don't have to try hard. And so now she, she's embarrassed. And so I think she's intentionally dropping these little, you know, nuggets in these podcasts just so she can get pickup and talking here and there about her marriage because she knows that she'll get pickup if she talks about him. You know, it's kind of like Meghan and Harry where it's like the man is the star and the woman is kind of the glommer. She's like the. Also ran. Like we're interested in her to the extent she's gonna tell us about him. And she knows that, so she's working it. But she can't hide her general morose nature. So the more you tune into these clips, nevermind that show. And I actually have tried to watch it, cuz it's our business. It's terrible. She's the most depressing person to spend time with. So it's gonna continue failing 100%.
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Maureen Callahan
I mean, she. Well, for one thing, the transitioning thing struck me so strangely because this is the, this is the third rail on the left. Like, like the, the people who call, you know, Michelle Obama knows this. That like online there's a cohort of people that call her Big Mike.
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Megyn Kelly
Yes.
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Maureen Callahan
And who maintain that she is a. Is A dude. Okay? That's what they maintain. I'm just saying.
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Megyn Kelly
That's right.
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Maureen Callahan
And so she's very cynically using this word. And then she's going to turn around and be like, how dare you interpret it that way? That is such a disgusting misreading of everything I'm saying. I go high when they go low. Right, but she's going low.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, well, I mean, that was a lie to begin with. And, you know, tell it to your husband, who showed up at that Democratic campaign office when people weren't rallying behind Kamala Harris and called a bunch of Democrat voters, half of whom were men, half of whom were black racists and sexists, because they weren't getting behind Kamala Harris. Like, that doesn't seem like going high to me. And her husband and she have been out there suggesting Trump is Hitler. She wouldn't even go to Trump's inauguration. It doesn't seem like the high road. So she wants credit for taking the high road, even though of course she hasn't and she doesn't. And it's not where she spends her time. It's just like anything, Maureen, you know, like, you and I, we wouldn't be out there being like, we only take the high road. We have nothing to compensate for. We're perfectly content on the low road and we'll make no apologies for it while we're there. She's like, she's dishonest, right? So she's gotta say she's something other than what she is. Same way Anna Wintour had to pretend she understands the black experience because she decided to do black dandyism this year, even though there are no blacks running fashion houses. And even when they've kind of come under the microscope, she's kept it down to a minimum. So in any event, I think she's a hypocrite. I think she's false. But I think the thing that's genuine about her is her depression, her unhappiness, her self loathing and her loathing of him.
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Maureen Callahan
Oh, 100%. And I think the Meghan Markle analogy is completely correct. I think we're seeing it now like Hilaria Baldwin is becoming much more aggressive against her husband because she's got the leverage now. Like, it's cheaper to keep her. Like, he can't divorce her. Like these cases have bankrupted him. So she's out there talking, she's speaking, spilling all of his personal secrets. Like, I'm gonna get into this book she just wrote, but she's spilling all of his personal secrets and snapping at him on red carpets and basically saying, I run this show. People are interested in me, not you. And just like those other two, she has not an original thought in her head. She has absolutely nothing to say. She has nothing to offer. She is in deep rage that she is well known only because of the marriage she made and I think really resents the person she decided to marry. And with Michelle and Meghan Markle. And hilarious, unusual because the bulk of the media is still pretending like she didn't tell us she was from Spain. She just likes to adopt a scratch. Greatest story ever. But there's, there's something about these two women in particular. Rich beyond their wildest dreams. They got a level of fame they never would have gotten on their own. And, and I don't know how, I don't know what is going on in there. You know, I think there are people who will never let themselves be happy. And I think there are people who are comfortable in a state of grievance and martyrdom and rage. I see. I.
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Megyn Kelly
This drives me nuts because I know a lot of rich women, rich because they married a rich man. And they're fine, they're cool, they're thrilled. You know, they don't run around like, overcompensating all the time or trying to prove to everybody I am also special. I'm special too. They're like, my life's grand. I got these nice cars and this nice house and this, you know, guy who takes care of me. Like, that is the way to do it, if you decide to do it. What happened in both of these cases is they, they shot, you know, for the moon and they got it. You know, Harry landed the elephant, she got her prince, and Michelle got, you know, the star at Harvard who was very clear was going to be making a huge impact in Democrat politics. And then they spent the rest of the time seemingly resentful or even jealous. Like, that's what I detect from these two women. Like there's an envy by them toward their husbands for being the main stars to the point where now Meghan Markle has almost like rearranged it all. You know, Dan Wootton was on my show the other day saying he's now realized he's the, he's the spare to her. She's so used his fame and connections and his ability to help her make money that she's re engineered the whole thing to where she's the breadwinner and he is just the whipped loser back at the house, which is exactly What Michelle Obama would kill for. She doesn't want Barack Obama in the headlines anymore. She wants it to be her. And so she's crapping all over him while still kind of using the Obama name and the time in the White House to make herself relevant.
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Maureen Callahan
Right. And so, like, I. This is why I think this is just one long tease. Like, I think she wants out. I think he would be happy to be done with her. Okay, yes. Like, is he, like, paying his penance for becoming the first black president and, like, seeming to be, like, a kind of decent guy? Like, is he paying his penance? Because Michelle isn't as great as he is and she never will be, so he's just going to suck it up until. Is he going to let her be the one to file? I just. I just find this. I never seen such deep loathing on the public. I was. I was trying to think of any other famous person who. Who's gone through a divorce. I mean, I don't think since Woody and Mia, frankly, it's been something like this disgusting. You know, like, have your dignity.
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Megyn Kelly
I mean, other than someone who's a sworn enemy of yours, have you ever talked that negatively about somebody uniformly? You know, like, you can never say anything nice about them. It's like, okay, now there are public figures who we don't like and we criticize, but, like, someone who's in your life, who you get asked about, like, it's just so bizarre. I don't. And her defense now, because it's coming in the news, you know, like, her negativity about him has made news, not just with the you's and the me's of the world. And her defense now, she keeps sliding in here, and there is. It's me trying to humanize him.
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Maureen Callahan
Trying to humanize him.
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Megyn Kelly
And Mila's like, okay, Barack Obama is one of the most recognizable famous people in the world. We don't need you anymore to make introductions for Barack Obama or to humanize him anymore. Like, we know who he is. It's a. It's a known commodity. Like, it's very clear. You're doing it because you can't stand him. And what I found is I listened to her go on and on about how bad he is and how about. About how bad her life is and how the White House sucked. She's just like, meghan Markle, My castle is too small. And then there's Michelle Obama. The White House made me pay for my own groceries. Like, these two entitled have it all people. The more I really Start hoping that he is having that affair with Jennifer Aniston. That's. Who could blame him?
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Maureen Callahan
I mean, who could blame him? I mean, I actually really did love your theory. When I was in your studio, it was maybe a couple of months ago, and you were like, I don't think his next great romance is with a woman.
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Megyn Kelly
Right. If I heard it was like, I don't know, some guy who worked in his garden, I might believe it.
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Maureen Callahan
No, that is. That is absolutely the point. And when I heard you the other day taking this apart, where she was bitching about having to buy her own groceries while she was living for free in the White House, a staff that was paid for. I didn't even know prior to her latest bitch sesh that the first lady has her own plane. And that is a bright star.
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Megyn Kelly
Right? But she still found a way to complain about it. It's like. So let me just get this straight. We the moved you and your whole family into the White House. We gave him Air Force One. We gave you your own plane. You're in a 55,000 square foot mansion with an 18 acre estate around you. Your own rose garden, your own staff, your own wing. You know, she's got the east wing, okay? All of that. You're universally beloved and celebrated and put on magazine covers. You name your own book Becoming who does that? Okay? But you're still celebrated as one of the world's most lovely and loved people. Okay? And you're still unhappy about what again? About the fact that when the girls ride on the plane, the. You have to pay the. The. The equivalent of an airline ticket for them. And you have to pay for your own food like every other human alive. Like all of us, right? Like who's going to. She's so out of touch. She doesn't realize we're not going to feel sorry for her for having to pay for her groceries and her kids. Airlines.
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Maureen Callahan
The balls on her. No pun intended. You know, I'm just saying, like the nerve. The nerve to say I had to pay for my groceries like all of us do. Is she paying for like gas and electric in the White House? I doubt it. Is she paying for the pool guy to clean the in house White House pool? Or the bowling alley or the screening room where they have movie stars come and get first run pictures of whatever they want to see? No, no and no. No.
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Megyn Kelly
She doesn't even have a stop in traffic. And even now she's like, you know, but I really deeply worry. Worry about my country and my daughters, not me. I have my four car motorcade and law enforcement following me everywhere. I'm Michelle Obama. But my daughters, they're only barely recognizable and they're brown. So they could be picked up at any moment by this evil Trump's department and sent off to El Salvador. So I'm deeply worried about my two privileged daughters and all brown people in America because the country's racist. You see, the country that made me at least 100 millionaire, probably closer to a billionaire now is racist to its core. Poor me, I was screwed over in the White House, I'm still getting screwed over. And poor brother Craig is there. Like, it's even worse than you thought. Sister Michelle, as bad as you think you had it, you had it even worse. Like her enabler, codependent brother, her brother.
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Maureen Callahan
Frankly, seems terrified of her. He really does. Like, every time he, he dares to gently contradict her, she'll be like, nope, that's not the way it happened. And he'll be like, you're right, you're right.
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Megyn Kelly
Yes. Like when, when, when he was like, well, you know, maybe if we knew, if we knew you weren't feeling great, you know, like we guys, we would say something. And then she's like, we shouldn't have to ask, we shouldn't have to tell you, you know, snap back. But like, you should just figure it out.
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Maureen Callahan
She totally did. She also criticized him and you know, men in general for the way they interpersonally relate. Right? Like if they have a friendship conflict, men among men, they just sort of hash it out, they forget it. It's a bygone, it is never revisited. They never exhume that grievance. And she's saying she thinks that's the wrong way to go in life. Because Michelle, the master of grievances, likes to hash that out. She likes to beat that carcass further into the ground and she will not let go. And you have to have like a multi day summit and then revisit that maybe months down the road. And she's saying that's the healthy way to be.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah. So that's the difference between her spouse, who doesn't seem to put up with her nonsense and her endless wanting, you know, to have these talks about everything. And Megan's spouse, because Megan married somebody who is not well, Meghan Markle, like Prince Harry, is a weak, damaged man who doesn't have the inner strength that Barack Obama has. Even though, I mean, listen, I understand Barack Obama's faults and the vain and all, like, just of all of that, but he doesn't have, like, such a tiny ID the way Harry does. Who does? Like, he doesn't really have a fundamental sense of himself. And so he was so easy for Meghan Markle to manipulate. All she needed was that first meeting. She was totally right that he would be like putty in her hands, that he would buy. He's too dumb. You know, of course he bought every act she delivered hook, line, and sinker. Her little ingenue. I'm so sweet and innocent. I don't even know who the queen is. I had no idea you were a prince. And he ran with it. He was so easy to manipulate. But Barack is stronger. So Michelle has gone, like, further into the doldrums of, like, the only thing miserable, miserable people want is to make others miserable, too. And she can't seem to do it with him. She, you know, she's only gotten more angry, in my opinion, because she can't do it to him. He's got too big a life. He's too important to too many people. And she's not his only company.
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Maureen Callahan
And he will not take the bait. He will not allow himself to be debased this way. Like, he's kind of gray, rocking it. He's not responding to any of it.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah.
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Maureen Callahan
And he does strike me, fundamentally as an optimistic person. He strikes me as somebody who really enjoys life, you know? And, like, he's not going to get down in the mud with this. And I think you're right. I think. I think his lack of response is sending her into a further and further rage spiral because she can't get what she wants. Any attention is better than no attention. And it goes to her husband. It goes to her flailing podcast. She's got nothing to offer us anymore. Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
I mean, how can she still be so angry about America? That's my big point. Like, it's like, okay, you don't like him. You married the wrong man. You're on your podcast talking about how, well, sometimes there's a bad decade in a marriage. No, there isn't. There isn't. Those marriages end in divorce. That is not a thing. Michelle, sorry to tell you, but. So she's out there, but she's still mad at the country. Like, you hear her. She never makes a positive reference to the United States or her experience of it. It's always about how racist we are. We elected her husband twice. Twice. And celebrated her. I mean, she still, as far as I know to this day, is one of the most popular figures in the country. It's never Enough. She's so much happier talking about her anger and her disappointment in the failure that we all are to her.
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Maureen Callahan
100%. And in that vein, I wanted to know your thoughts about the bonkers BBC interview that Harry gave this week or last Friday. But It's Got Legs For Days in which he says two. Two things that do not go together. He implies that the British Royal Family had something to do with Diana's death, that they would like to see grievous harm. We know what that means. Come to Harry and Meghan and their two small, innocent children. And also that he would love to get back in. Would love nothing more than to get back in.
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Megyn Kelly
Yes. This is why I love you, Maureen. Doesn't everyone love the nerve? I genuinely love the show. I have not missed one. Thank you. So you're right, they're not. These two things are incongruous. And because one of them. And that means one of them is not true, and the one that is not true is his desire for reconciliation. He does believe all those things. I think he actually does believe them. I think it stems back to his childhood trauma, which was genuine at the loss of his mother. The way she died, and unlike William, who also had the same trauma and was only a couple of years older than Harry, dealt with it, like he dealt with it and went on to have a relatively, it looks like from the outside, anyway, healthy family life in his own, you know, created family. And Harry has not been able to get over it. And I almost think, like, the way if your parents abuse you, you'll marry an abuser, you know, like, there's something psychologically that makes. Makes you, like, need a redo over and over, hoping for another outcome. He's like you. The way he talks about something happening, happening to him or Megan, it's got, like a hopeful tinge to it. You can sense he almost wants something to happen so that he can be like, I told you, see, it's my mother all over again. Like, he needs it. Like, he needs to feel special. He needs to feel under attack. She does, too. I mean, they create these fake dramas around them to try to. You know, it's almost like, Maureen, I remember when I was a little kid, I might have broken a toe. I don't know. I went with it. It's broken. I'm like, I need a cast. I need crutches. You know, I couldn't wait to go to school because I loved attention. And I was like, this is going to attract all sorts of attention to me now. I was still in the single digits when I did this. And now, like with my kids, I can see it happening from a mile away when they do it. They can get away with nothing. But that's how he still is. And Meghan Markle, too. Like, he needs the drama of, like, they're out to get us, they wanna kill us. The press is gonna lead to Megan getting killed just like my mother. All the stuff I just mentioned is, like, combined to create this delusional, paranoid sad sack that used to be a sought after prince. And now it's just sort of like a charity case where you're like, oh, oh, oh.
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Maureen Callahan
It's, it's, it's. You're so right about that sort of arrested behavior. You know, I think William, one of the healthiest things he did, part of him falling in love with Catherine, Princess of Wales, I really think had to do with her family of origin. And they were intact and they were loving and they seemed to have a very healthy emotional sort of relationship amongst all of them. And he was very attracted to that. And I think he found that normalcy and that groundedness and the things that, you know, he was maybe lacking given his birthright. And Harry, meanwhile, was just left to stew in it. And I think the thing too that you're saying is so right on, and it's so perverse because, like, in that BBC interview, he was bragging that, like, on the, on the threat hit list, he's number one.
- [36:48]
Megyn Kelly
Yeah, like, he's right. Like, sure.
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Maureen Callahan
I would not be bragging about that if I, If a government agency came to me and said, you know what, Maureen, suddenly, for whatever reason, you're like, at the top of the list of people who are gonna be like, in grave danger now that you're an astronaut. Let me not publicize that. Right. That doesn't seem bright.
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Megyn Kelly
Right? No, he's. I've never seen somebody so anxious to disclose his alleged security threats. I mean, it is strange. Like, I actually had a very, very dark period when I first became a journalist where I developed a very bad stalker.
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Maureen Callahan
I was.
- [37:22]
Megyn Kelly
Nobody knew who I was. I was on the weekend shifts on Fox, but I. Whoa.
- [37:26]
Maureen Callahan
Nobody knew. You weren't that famous yet.
- [37:29]
Megyn Kelly
Not at all. Not at all. But you just happened to be the one person who developed this very dangerous stalker. And now I talk about it this 20 years ago, right. Like, it's a long resolve. The guy went to jail for 10 years. But at the time, I would rather be caught dead. I was like, hell no. Anything I say could, like, encourage the person or create another such person, or, like, if you're actually under threat and genuinely afraid for your safety, you don't want to go anywhere near that discussion. And the whole lawsuit with the family and the security, that was just his attempt to, like, win, you know, to punish them. To say, like, you're not in control of me. Like, I will get what I'm entitled to. I'm a prince of England, you know, I will have it. Because we all know, number one, he has the money to pay for private security, all the private security he wants. Now, it's true you cannot arm them in Great Britain. They're not allowed to carry guns. So that's a diminishment of full protection. But it's what Taylor Swift has to deal with. It's what Tom Cruise has to deal with. It's what every massive star, way more famous than Harry, has to deal with when they go to the uk. And speaking of stalkers, I guarantee you Taylor Swift is in far more danger at any public appearance than Prince Harry is. But the second point, Dan Wootton told me, he broke Megxit. He's broken all these big royal stories that the King said to Harry, okay, Queen Elizabeth said, you cannot have the security the same as you would if you were working royal. We cannot look at the taxpayers and tell them they have to foot that bill, since you're not doing any work for us and you fled the coop and you're trying to make money off of all our stories on Netflix. But whenever you come here, you can stay in Buckingham palace and you will get all the security that comes with that. And Harry refuses to do it, even though Maureen. No one's in Buckingham Palace. William and Kate are at a different palace and so are Charles and Camilla. So we'd have Buckingham palace to himself with all the security. And he still is on the BBC going, poo fucking. Who feel sorry for me.
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Maureen Callahan
Incredible. Such a great point. And, like, let's say even a family member happened to be in Buckingham Palace. It's like you could conceivably never see them, okay? You've got, like, 85 rooms and staff and foot soldiers, and it's all gonna be fine. I wanted to ask you. The Diddy trial, we are in day four. It's happening in New York City. They are still winnowing down this jury pool. And the judge in the case said that the celebrity names that are documented and submitted to the court are, like, this thick. He compared it to the Lord of the Rings book. Okay, so have you heard about some of the celebrity names that have come out.
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Megyn Kelly
I heard it on the Nerve, I think you were talking about on your last episode. And then the latest I heard was that she wasn't a celebrity witness, but she was the key. One of the key accusers has gone missing. What? Yeah.
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Maureen Callahan
I didn't hear that.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, that she was supposed to show up and they can't find her. And there's a search. I don't know if she's absconded, like she's having second thoughts about testifying or there was even just a miscommunication issue that caused her not to show up. But I'm sure people are very intimidated about walking into that courtroom and testifying against him.
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Maureen Callahan
I mean, I have an even more.
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Megyn Kelly
Sinister thought that somebody did away with her.
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Maureen Callahan
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
I mean, her.
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Maureen Callahan
To the point that she fled for her life. Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
Well, look, we. We saw him beat his ex girlfriend, and then we read the allegations from the. The main ex girlfriend, who's, like, one of the main accusers in this case, Cassie, who's gonna take the stand. And then, you know, allegedly setting the car on fire of the kid Cudi.
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Maureen Callahan
Kid Cudi.
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Megyn Kelly
Because they liked the same person. You know, like, if he's capable of all of that. Allegedly. I mean, we know the beating happened. We saw it with our own eyes.
- [41:37]
Maureen Callahan
In a hotel hallway.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah. Then how far would he go? Like, I don't know. I mean, look, I said this on my show this week, and it's true. I went to the Met gala. I went two years. Maureen. And what I remember. Yes. You know, Anna Wintour and I used to be. Well, we weren't friends, but she was cozying up to me. When she thought Trump didn't like me, she was like, oh, then I must like her. So I went there, and the thing I remember most from being there was P. Diddy in the restroom of the Met. It was the women's room. That's why I was there. Dry humping a Kardashian.
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Maureen Callahan
I heard the dry humping anecdote, but I don't think you revealed the name.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, it was. There were multiple Kardashians in there and, like, that other sort of lame supermodel version, you know, like, not the real supermodels like we grew up with, but, like, these new influencer types.
- [42:30]
Maureen Callahan
Right, right.
- [42:31]
Megyn Kelly
They were all in. No one was using the bathroom. They were smoking and dry humping. And that was P. Diddy. Like, I'm just saying there's a pattern of disrespect for others. And our Sacred places and things that should be treated as inviolate. And it applies to places and it applies to people. And I have no idea what this guy is capable of, but I think it's probably worse than we can even imagine. So if I were in the sdny, I'd be really seriously considering getting all of my witnesses protection and making sure that neither he nor his people had any way of threatening or accessing them.
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Maureen Callahan
Can I just get back to the Met bathroom for a moment? The important part of this story.
- [43:15]
Megyn Kelly
Yes.
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Maureen Callahan
So pity's in. Pity Diddy is P. Diddy. Whatever.
- [43:19]
Megyn Kelly
Pity works.
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Maureen Callahan
Dry humping a Kardashian as other Kardashian siblings are in there watching and smoking. That is so disgusting. Yeah, like, the smoking is less disgusting than, like. I mean, in the metal siblings watching you engage in a sexual act. It's so gross.
- [43:38]
Megyn Kelly
Well, look, it's like the Met. You can't smoke in the Met. Like, fine, you wouldn't be smoker. It's fine. But, like, truly, some of our most sacred works of art are inside the Met. There's no smoking. You cannot smoke. And Doug was in the men's room with two people whose names you would definitely know who are of the tech world snorting coke. Like, this is a lovely gala. These are the people who think there are betters who look down at, you know, the great unwashed as, like, oh, they can't come back. The Met gala. But it's no surprise to me that this guy wound up being a complete cretin. And I don't know whether SDNY's got the case made. I really don't. Because, you know, for the same reasons you guys were discussing with the lawyer on your case on your show the other day, I'm sure he's going to argue. I love sex parties. People love to give it up to me for free because I was rich and I was a rap mogul, and I don't have to force anybody into it. Like, trust me. Yeah, and you can't criminalize my weird sex parties as a big star. I think that'll be the defense. I think it'll be convicted. But, you know, I wouldn't bet money on it, Maureen, because that kind of defense, you know, Harvey Weinstein's doing the same thing right now in another courtroom. And he might get away with it, too.
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Maureen Callahan
Harvey might get away with it. But my other. My other. The other aspect of the defense strategy that I love is, hey, like, he loves to buy baby oil in bulk. Like, everybody loves a bargain.
- [45:03]
Megyn Kelly
Everybody loves sure. It's just, like, paper towels.
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Maureen Callahan
Yeah, right. Like, who doesn't live to buy, like, 12 bounty? Select a size. You know, why not knock that out?
- [45:11]
Megyn Kelly
Listen, my big takeaway on that was like, I feel like Doug and I might be phoning it in. Like, do I? Do I.
- [45:17]
Maureen Callahan
Are you not having enough sex parties, Megan?
- [45:20]
Megyn Kelly
And, like, covered with baby oil, Everybody. Should we just be. You've been to my house for a party, Maureen. I. Like, I feel like we fell down on the job.
- [45:28]
Maureen Callahan
Well, I was anticipating something a little spicier, I will tell you. But, you know, I made do with Doug's delicious cocktails, right?
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Megyn Kelly
Here's your cocktail and your baby oil. See you in 20 minutes.
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Maureen Callahan
I'm easy. I'm easy. You know, I can hang. I'm a good hang, I think. Yeah. And so I guess the question then is, like, so for my. My last question, vis a vis Diddy is the celebrity names thus far that has shocked me is Mike Myers.
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Megyn Kelly
Oh, yeah, Mike.
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Maureen Callahan
What is Mike Myers doing running with Diddy and his crew? Like, this nerdy white comic Canadian, like, what's. What. What is that?
- [46:05]
Megyn Kelly
I know. I guess, I mean, Ashton Kutcher, too, which is not really a shock. But, like, I. I'm not shocked. I don't know. Like, as you know, people are really dazzled by huge wealth and not even just. And rock stars have it in a particular way. Like, they're almost bigger than our actors. Like, there's something about them that's like. It's like you could say, Tom Cruise is coming to the restaurant, and people would swoon for sure. But, like, if you say, like, Rihanna is coming to the restaurant, you're gonna have to shut down the restaurant. You're gonna have to get layers of co. It's just. They're bigger. They're just in a different stratosphere for whatever reason. The mystery around them, you know, you feel like you know the actors. Cause you hear them saying lines and you see them up close, and the performers are different. They've just got this incredible talent, and they have this whole team around them that builds image. And I just think that people are very susceptible to that kind of a person deigning to speak to them, to want to be with them, to entertain them. And that's why mothers handed over their children like Usher and Justin Bieber, you know? And it's the same thing that led maybe Mike Myers to go into these ditty parties and allow himself to be in the presence of what may have been open crimes and, like, a roll of the eyes. Like, I guess this is just how they live. And I've been given this chance to peer inside.
- [47:34]
Maureen Callahan
Yes.
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Megyn Kelly
You know, it's human nature to want to see, like, what am I being shown? How bad is it? And I'll tell you one other story on this. There was a woman who told me her Harvey Weinstein story. I'm gonna keep this ambiguous so I don't identify her inadvertently, but he didn't touch her. He was just really gross and did some outrageous things around her. And I asked her, like, well, why he didn't have you, like, under his control. So why didn't you just, like, run or turn and leave? And she said, I was curious to see how far he was gonna take it. Like, it was Harvey Weinstein.
- [48:09]
Maureen Callahan
Interesting.
- [48:10]
Megyn Kelly
Interesting.
- [48:10]
Maureen Callahan
It was shocking.
- [48:12]
Megyn Kelly
You know, I'm like, oh, my God, look at what he's doing. Is he gonna see this through the end? Like, how far is he gonna go with this? And I think that element is at play with otherwise normal people going to these diddy parties too. Like, what is this? I've been given this glimpse and I can't stop looking at it. And next thing you know, you're a witness out of criminal trial being.
- [48:36]
Maureen Callahan
Next thing you know, you've got a subpoena and you got to, like, lay out big bucks for a criminal defense attorney and potentially another identity in another state.
- [48:45]
Megyn Kelly
It's all fun and games until that point.
- [48:47]
Maureen Callahan
Exactly. It's all fun and games. Well, thank you, Megan, for coming on the Nerve and for dishing with us that met Gala story. Like, you could dine on that. Dine out on that forever the bathroom thing. And I just, you know, I love you and thank you for all of your support and all of your help as we get our baby show off the ground.
- [49:08]
Megyn Kelly
It's my pleasure. I have never believed in someone more, Maureen. I know this show is already a success and it's gonna be even bigger. And we're watching your numbers climb. We're all like, oh, my God, look at this woman. It's crazy, but it's such a fun show to listen to. It's like my guilty pleasure. I try to store em up for the weekends when I'm like, just. And I can really enjoy it. And most of my podcasts I play on 2.0 just because I listen to so many.
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Maureen Callahan
Sure.
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Megyn Kelly
I listen to yours on 1.0, Maureen. That's new territory. That's.
- [49:39]
Maureen Callahan
Oh, my God. It's all happening, Megan. It's all happening. I will see you next time Perhaps in outer space, perhaps on terraforma.
- [49:48]
Megyn Kelly
I was gonna say one could even make the case. You're inspirational.
- [49:53]
Maureen Callahan
You know, one could. I think I, I would. But I would say, you know, it was your brainchild. So you are the inspiration and I am, I am the G. Oprah.
- [50:01]
Megyn Kelly
I'm really proud of me.
- [50:03]
Maureen Callahan
You should be. You should be. All right, mk, I'll see you later to see you.
- [50:09]
Megyn Kelly
See you soon.
- [50:10]
Maureen Callahan
See you.
- [50:11]
Megyn Kelly
Bye.
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Maureen Callahan
Thank you again to Megan Kelly bringing lots of gossip to the Nerve. And of course, remember to get your daily dose of Megan on AM Update with Megan Kelly. I start my day every day with it. You get this great roundup of all the things that are in the news, the stuff that you need to know. It's a great way to start your day and feel like super informed and ready to go. And then of course the Megyn Kelly show, which can be found on YouTube or wherever you get your podcast. And it really is some of the most intriguing, unusual, original, thought provoking conversation around. Okay, so up next we are going to talk about the new reboot of what not to Wear. I can't wait to get into this with you guys. But before we go to break, a quick reminder that I want to hear what you have to say, as you know. So send me an email, send me your thoughts, your questions, your comments, what you'd like to see us cover. I am MaureenVilMaycare Media.com and be sure to like and subscribe to the Nerve because we should just keep growing this community of, of like minded truth seekers and troublemakers. It is all happening. We will be back in a minute. So I'm going to talk to you about a guy, a hero really named Leo Grillo, who was on a road trip and came across a severely underweight, struggling in pain Doberman. Leo scooped this guy up and named him Delta. And sadly, as we all know, Delta is just one of many animals that need help. Well, Delta now is, you know, fine, but there's so many others who need our help. And that inspired Leo to start Delta Rescue, which is the largest no kill, care for life animal sanctuary in the world. Okay? They have rescued thousands of dogs, cats and even horses from the wilderness. And they provide their animals with shelter and love and safety and most importantly, a safe and loving home. So it's this kind of dedication and everlasting love to animals that is Leo's mission and it's his legacy. Now, Delta Rescue relies solely on contributions from people like us who love animals. I think, frankly, more than we love ourselves. So if you want to start caring for these animals and have this be part of your legacy, you could speak with your estate planner. Because there are tax saving estate planning benefits too. You can grow your estate while letting your love for animals live well into the future. Check out the estate planning tab on their website to learn more and to speak with an advisor. We call dogs Man's best friends for a reason. It's been ever thus so you can help those who need it the Most. Please visit Deltarescue.org today to learn more. That is Deltarescue.org you shouldn't have to.
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Maureen Callahan
And we are back. Let's talk about what not to wear Now. This was one of my all time favorite comfort watches. It's the makeover show with Stacy and Clinton. And you know, they would take somebody who was nominated by their family members or their friends, you know, which was basically saying, I think this person is ugly and dresses like, and like, can you try to help this tragic charity case? And then they would try to judge this person up. Okay, Hair, makeup, but mainly the clothes. Okay. So a month ago, though, I came upon a marathon. It was like a lazy Sunday. There was a marathon of old what not to wear episodes. And, and in rewatching these, I realized something profound, which is that I had been watching it through the real filter all along. Like, I thought Stacy and Clinton were like, good guys, but I realized that Stacy and Clinton are me, like, mean. Like, really, really mean. Like, to the point of making their quote unquote collaborators. That's what they call them. But, like, really it's more of like a hostage situation. You know, these poor young girls and women just like crying over Stacy and Clinton's criticism of their. Okay, so here's what we're gonna do. We're going to take a look. It's on video. Okay? Can't lie your way out of video. We're gonna take a look at how these two treated a young woman named Courtney. And by the way, the gimmick with this show, as discussed, is that, like, they are unsuspecting. Courtney was told she was, like, getting a free trip to New York and gonna get free tickets to a Broadway show. She suddenly gets a producer showing up in her hotel room who's like, hey, you know what? Everyone in your life thinks you look like crap. And so you know you're gonna come with us. So the clear message is, everyone in your life has ambushed you. Pretty much. Okay, not everyone, but mostly everyone. So these people are already absorbing, like, a really hurtful message from their nearest and dearest, and then in comes Stacy and who have, like, appointed themselves, like, mini Anna Wintours. Okay, so let's take a look at Courtney.
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Clinton Kelly
Let's go take a look at the clothes of yours that we have here. Yikes. It's like looking at the back pages of Field and Stream.
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Maureen Callahan
Courtney's Guns and Ammo is going in the trash. I mean, at the end of the day, they're just closed so far.
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Megyn Kelly
It's fine.
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Maureen Callahan
So she begins crying, and of course she does, because these two insufferable east coast snobs say, oh, you look like you came out of the back pages of Field and Stream. What's wrong with Field and Stream? Oh, you look like you're Guns and Ammo. That is one of, like, the worst things an east coast liberal could level at anybody. And by the way, these two used a lot of coded language when they were talking about Courtney, who had told them that she is a hunter, she is a country music fan, and she is a motorcyclist from Orlando, Florida. Okay, so already they're like, you are a backwater hick who is hopeless.
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Megyn Kelly
This.
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Maureen Callahan
Okay, so Stacy and Clinton all, they're already just looking way, way down at her. And remember how I was telling you in the last show about how mean and unhappy people in the fashion industry are? Not all of them, but most of them are. So Clinton Kelly wrote a book called It's I have It. I Hate everyone except you. And by the way, he's got one blurb on this book. Like, he couldn't even get, like, his friends in, like, the TV world to blurb him. Clearly, everybody hates Clinton. He wrote about his 10 year falling out with Stacy London. They didn't speak at all because he thought she needed too much attention. Okay? Stacy blocked him on X even though I rarely wanted attention. That's the truth, if you care to believe it. That kind of doubling down tells you that's a lie. I found myself continually annoyed that she did. And there was a part of me that would be just fine if I never saw her again for the rest of my life. What are you, 12? And then he goes on to say, like it's a complete non sequitur. The show made me rich, so that's nice. You know, fuck you. Okay, fuck you. And not for nothing, Clinton Kelly is a gay man and Stacy just came out herself a few years ago. So I suspect that these two have their own self loathing that they are projecting onto these poor women. Okay, now let's take a look at the episode I was telling you about, the one I stumbled upon. And I realized I'd been watching this show all wrong. Here, here's Tristan.
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Tristan
What do you want me to sit here and say? You don't like anything? If it looks like that. If it looks like this. If it looks like that, I mean, you guys aren't gonna like it, so what's the point?
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Maureen Callahan
I'm not sure how to talk to you.
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Clinton Kelly
You should be able to trust us when we say that an expensive shoe does not fix a trashy outfit when you should be able to trust us.
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Tristan
I'm nothing but trash is what you're saying. I obviously don't have any class.
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Clinton Kelly
We're telling you as two stylists, your clothes look cheap.
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Tristan
So if you want to know why I have a wallop and I'm a bitch, this is why. I haven't decided if I'm going to follow the rules yet.
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Maureen Callahan
She is. They are so mean to her. He did call her trash. I'm sorry, you walked right up to calling her trash and then you say, no, I didn't. But I'm telling you, you look cheap. You know what's adjacent to cheap? You look like a whore. You look like a streetwalker. Okay, we all know what this conversation really is. First of all, in the book, he talks about his husband being a doctor. I didn't come across the psychologist part of that. That he's a psychologist. Very interesting that he married a psychologist. I bet you that psychologist spends all day long managing Clinton and his moods. And so Clinton says to us, you can't have love without hate.
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Clinton Kelly
You know, my husband, who is a psychologist, says, you can't have love without hate.
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Maureen Callahan
Sir, I beg to differ. I would say not only that you can. I would go so far as to say that you should. I mean, it's actually the only way to love people. Okay? I hate self help people. I hate them. Anyway, they brought this woman Tristan to tears and they couldn't understand that she was Resisting their dictates because they were making her feel like shit about herself. Why would she listen to them? Okay, so justice for Tristan. Now let's take a look at the new, softer Stacy and Clinton in a show it's airing on prime, that they call wear whatever the f you want. Now, trust me when I tell you this is not the answer, okay? Some people do need style guidance, but the way to get them there isn't to let them pick a bunch of stuff, as they do on the show that doesn't work for them and doesn't look good on them or doesn't fit them, and then pat them on the head and give them a participation trophy. Now, the one thing I will say is an improvement is that these two did ditch their makeup artist, Carmen D. And I am sure that Carmen D. Is a lovely person, But Carmen D. Made every single woman up on this show in the exact same way in the makeup Carmen D. Wears every day. It never changed. It was always like the pastel eyeshadow, the glowy face, the pink lip gloss. And, like, one size. Color palette does not fit all women. Okay, lady, Everybody's got different pigmentation, you know? But with every reveal, Carmen D. Was like, I'm fucking Leonardo da Vinci. Look at your fucking face. Okay, Anyway, let's look at Stacey and Clinton's latest victim, who is a young mother named Jessica. Now, her challenge is that she is on the smaller side. She's, like, really diminutive, she's short, and she has a baby face. But she wants to present as a grown, sophisticated woman. So let's take a look at what happens to Jessica. Okay? We are looking at her in five outfits that Stacy and Clinton allowed her to put herself in. And then Stacy and Clinton helped, like, judge these outfits even further. Okay? They helped accessorize. And let me tell you, this is terrible. This is uniformly terrible. If you look at that pink dress, it doesn't fit her. Like, she needs foundation underwear. She does. She looks terrible in these things. There's one. She's that blue dress. They started, like, loading on the accessories, you know, and they gave her, like, a cheap handbag and a cheap pair of sunglasses, and, like, everything looked like it came off of temu, you know? But we're in a post woke Stacy and Clinton world, right, where everyone who participates on the show, they're beautiful, they're stylish. We're embracing body positivity. I may have gone a little bit too far with that. So Jessica has a best friend who comes on the show to be her moral support. And we will show you a look at Jessica's best friend, who. Okay, when I tell you that Stacey and Clinton tried to mask their horror. They could not believe that this dainty woman on their show shows up with a best friend who happens to be like, I believe it's like, medically morbidly obese. And her hair is the kind of, like, difficult corkscrew curl that, like, you really need to have a lot of money so you can hire people to sort of help tame that stuff. Okay? So she clearly isn't a woman of means, but Stacy and Clinton are like, holy fucking shit. Like, we've got a live one. Like, this person doesn't belong on this set. And they're like, like, trying to be very polite and professional and, and, and, and, and, and just pretend they're not noticing what she looks like. And at one point, the producers put this woman, like, behind a plant. It.
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Megyn Kelly
It.
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Maureen Callahan
It's unbelievable. Okay? And then Stacy and Clinton ask Jessica, who are your style icons? Right? Who would you most like to emulate with your new wardrobe? And when this woman says to them, like, genuinely and like, without any gu. She loves Paris Hilton and she loves Kristin Cavallari and she wants to look like them, and those two are like this. They're like, like, they're still snobs, okay? They're still snobs at heart. So, you know, they sort of, like, I think that's why they kind of gave up and like, abandoned their mission midway through because they were like, again, this woman has no taste. And, you know, ultimately they're repulsed. Okay? They're repulsed by Jessica. They're repulsed by her taste level, her style icons, her best friend. These two are the same people they were when they were bullying poor and unattractive women on their last show. So don't fall for it. And, you know, in the sort of self help realm that they try to sort of be adjacent to, My pro tip is don't take advice of any kind from people who, in my opinion, just my opinion, are this damaged. So truly wear whatever the fuck you want. Indeed. And that is it for today, our Friday edition of the Nerve. I'm wishing you a great spring weekend. And because you guys responded so strongly to our bonus weekend content last weekend, we are dropping yet another new bite for you this weekend. So keep an eye out, keep an ear out, and we will see you back here next Tuesday on the Nerve, where you will never guess what we are about to say next.