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The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
Travis Kelce's Next Chapter, Tom Brady's Desperation, & Belinda Carlisle's Nerve-y Traveler Reveal
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On this edition of The Nerve at Night, Maureen welcomes her Nerve-y Traveler partner, music icon Belinda Carlisle, to discuss their time in Mexico and how Belinda decided to make Mexico City her current home of the past four years. Belinda also answers questions submitted by Troublemakers about her illustrious rock-n-roll career as the lead singer of The Go-Gos, her love of travel, the different countries she has visited, and together Maureen and Belinda reveal the poll results of The Nerve-y Traveler's next destination. Then Maureen is joined by Nerve-favorite Bill from Brooklyn to discuss Tom Brady's social media behavior and why he looks desperate to be seen as youthful, Travis Kelce's future in football and how his relationship with Taylor Swift has influenced his career trajectory, and Bill weighs in on Timothée Chalamet and the changing landscape of male figures in Hollywood. Cowboy Colostrum: Get 25% Off Cowboy Colostrum with code MAUREEN at https://www.cowboycolostrum.com...
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Maureen Callahan
Hello and welcome to the Nerve at Night. I am your host Maureen Callahan and we have an incredible show today with two incredible guests. First, I will be joined by by singer, songwriter and my now travel partner, Belinda Carlile. We are going to unveil our next destination which you guys have voted on. You guys are telling us where to go, so we're gonna talk about that and we're gonna talk about all the things we sort of wanna get into. And Belinda's also going to answer some of the questions that you guys have emailed in for her and I think you might be. She's gonna surprise us a little bit, I think with her look for today's show. So if you're listening, be sure to make sure you go over to YouTube and take a look at her because you're gonna die. Okay? And then later, Bill from Brooklyn who has been absent for so long that I've been getting emails from you guys going, where is Bill? We miss him. We are going to be talking to him about what I believe is a crisis of masculinity in the culture. We're going to talk about Tom Brady having meltdowns on Instagram like a teenage boy. We're going to talk about Kelsey's next move because his game has begun falling apart and if Taylor Swift bears any culpability whatsoever. And then Bill is going to weigh in on Timothy Shamalama ding dong and his baller moves, you know, and what Bill really thinks of them. Okay, and then of course we've got your feedback and a little bit of more new troublemaker art. Okay, are you ready? Are you ready? Let's go. As weather gets colder, blood pressure tends to rise due to three factors. Your blood vessels narrow, increased salt cravings and less physical activity. But you have the ability to take control with One20Life. 120Life is a blend of great tasting super fruit juices that can help lower your blood pressure naturally. It is trusted by over 1000 health professionals and used by people just like you who have seen real measurable results. You can try it yourself risk free with their two week trial. Just go to 120life.com and use code nerve n e r v e to save 15%. You can track your progress with a simple blood pressure monitor. Watch your numbers drop and feel the difference. Plus, it's completely risk free. If you don't see lower numbers in two weeks, you. You get your money back. Go to 120life.com, that's 1-20-life-com and remember to use code nerve to save 15%. This is serious. This is your life we're talking about. 120life can help. Don't wait. Take control of your health today. Belinda, welcome. Welcome back to the Nerve. It's your first time on an actual. Like a legit nerve, not the. The nervy traveler.
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Belinda Carlisle
Exactly. It's, it's, it's. Yeah, my first time on the actual nerve. I'm so excited and I'm so.
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Maureen Callahan
Oh, Belinda, I just. I'm seeing you now. You've got pearls on and you're wearing the devil horns jacket.
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Belinda Carlisle
Yes, I am.
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Maureen Callahan
I forgot my jacket. I had post its everywhere pack the devil horns jacket because you told me you were going to wear and we should both wear them and I, I'm so bummed I forgot it. But actually, it's so perfect on you. How are you liking it?
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Belinda Carlisle
I love it. I haven't worn it out yet. This is so. This is the first, the first time I've worn it. I love it. I love it, love it, love it.
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Maureen Callahan
It's amazing. And did you lighten your hair?
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Belinda Carlisle
No, I think it's. Yeah. I mean, it changes colors all the time. I don't even know what you know. I mean, it's reddish anyway, but every time I wash it, it gets lighter. So it's time, time for my color.
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Maureen Callahan
It looks amazing. It looks great. What is your natural hair color? Do you know?
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Belinda Carlisle
Well, now it's probably gray, but I haven't seen it in years. It's like an ash blonde. It's not very nice.
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Maureen Callahan
It looks, it looks. Your color is great. It's like you're one of those rare people. You could be a redhead and you could be a blonde.
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Belinda Carlisle
Thank you. Well, yeah, definitely blonde. I mean, red at this point in my life I think is too much. So interesting.
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Maureen Callahan
Well, we got a lot of really, really as, you know, positive feedback to the nervy traveler. And before we unveil our next destination, which also a lot of very, very intense opinion about what that should be, I wanted to read to you some emails that are like addressed to you and some troublemaker questions for you. So we will begin. This comes from a troublemaker named Lisa. Dear Maureen, The Nervy Traveler with Belinda Carlisle, the classiest 80s chick of all 80s chicks. Will there be an ongoing traveling from time to time on the Nerve and is Belinda the co host or will there be others? It's Belinda and only Belinda.
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Belinda Carlisle
Ah, well, I mean, I would love to do this again. So, you know, traveling is my passion. Traveling the world is my passion, as you know.
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Maureen Callahan
I know you know. So you grew up in California, in suburban California, Right. When did the travel bug really hit you? Was it always in you or was there, was there a moment where you were like, I'm sort of, I need, I need to roam?
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Belinda Carlisle
Well, I mean, when I was a little girl, I remember my. Our neighbors had National Geographic and seeing it for the first time and it made a huge impact. I was like 7 years old and on the COVID was very nice and I just thought the only thing I ever want to do is see incredible things like this. So I. So I thought I wanted to be a travel agent when I was a little girl so I could see the world. And then I thought, well, as I got more into music that being in a rock band was a much more fun way to see the world. So really that's the only thing I ever wanted to do when I, since I was little, I can't remember a time when I didn't, didn't want to travel really.
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Maureen Callahan
And how old were you when you felt like you made like your first good amount of money where, I mean, I know it's baked into being a touring musician, but where you felt you made like enough money where you could go and take like a dedicated trip on your own?
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Belinda Carlisle
I think after Beauty and the Beat came out, I was, I definitely was doing that. I was back and forth to Japan quite a bit because my best friend was modeling there. So I had time off and that's what I did. So. And that was, I mean, I blew all my money doing that, but. But it was a lot of fun and it was worth it.
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Maureen Callahan
You know, I've been to Japan once and I think what people don't. Because in America you're just sort of used to the idea. Well, everybody everywhere speaks English, but you go somewhere like Japan and they really don't speak English and there really is very little English, like signage even. And so how did you guys like, you know, you're, you're young, your best friend's a model, I'm sure you're like prey for. You know, how. How did you navigate a foreign country like that when the language is such a barrier?
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Belinda Carlisle
I mean, it still is. And. But back then there were no. That was like, like 1980 and 81 when I was going quite a bit. And I mean, there were no white people there at all. No Westerners. Very, very, very few. Maybe in the modeling, you know, and modeling there was. And maybe like, they had these, these nightclubs where they have Western hosts and hostesses. So maybe with that. But it was kind of. You never really saw, you know, Western people. So I mean, I mean, back then, I don't even know. I mean, we just did it, you know, as we. And even to present day, they don't really speak a lot of English. So you just kind of. I mean, thank God now we have Google Translator, so you.
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Maureen Callahan
Can.
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Belinda Carlisle
You can we use that quite a bit. But back then, I don't remember. But then I was in bars quite a bit. And, you know, we would start our day like in Hirajuku and the bars and have greyhounds and then go shopping, take a nap, and then go out at nighttime. So our. Our world in Tokyo back then was like very sort of, you know, like a lot. Lots of Western kids, basically. So I don't. We managed.
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Maureen Callahan
That's so funny. Okay. For Belinda, this troublemaker. Catherine loved the travel episodes. She says I am lucky to travel with a good friend. We are both retired nurses. The Mexico travel episodes hit the sweet spots. Culture, scenery, food shopping, and conversation, including the quiet moments on the boat and the dry brushing. A few questions for Ms. Carlisle. How do you find the places that you decide to travel to? Is it word of mouth from friends, travel publications, reading, or your personal interest in history and culture?
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Belinda Carlisle
I think it comes from my passion for archaeology and learning about different cultures. I mean, I've always been curious. So, I mean, you know, when I was talking about going to these Islamic countries, I mean, most of that's driven by the archaeological finds that, that they're making. So that's kind of. I mean, our trips go. I go with a friend of mine, Lisa, and our trip starts a year before we actually get on the plane with research and, you know, researching travel vloggers and like, what's going on and in that particular part of the world. So. And then also all the archaeological finds that we're both passionate about. So that's kind of, that's kind of how we pick our, Our. Our spots.
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Maureen Callahan
I. This, this is such a. It's so funny because I, I said to you in another life, like, my dream job would have been to be an archaeologist. I just think it would be the Most fascinating way to just live. And I, like, every time you see some sort of new discovery. Did you happen to see in the news the other day, there was this discovery that the ancient Romans, at the height of the empire, like, even the slaves ate better than scholars had previously thought. Like, they can go into the bones of the remains and figure out what the diet was, what it was composed of, how that maybe contributed to lifespan, healthspan, and the whole way the society just worked. It's amazing. Okay. What qualities, Belinda, do you value in a travel companion? And no pressure, because I'm interviewing you right now.
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Belinda Carlisle
Oh, God. Humor. I mean, you need humor. Humor, flexibility. And I think that those are the two. I mean, traveling, as you mentioned, and I think in one of the other episodes that really brings out the person. You can really get to know a person.
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Maureen Callahan
Yeah.
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Belinda Carlisle
When you travel, I mean, I. There's, like, I have tons of friends, but I couldn't really travel with a lot of them because I don't know if it would go so well. But. But it's. I think if you have flexibility and humor, you can get through, you know, difficult moments. And, you know, you have to have a lot of patience, too, you know, and that's. That's what I value in if. Traveling companion.
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Maureen Callahan
Agreed. Last question from Catherine. What about Mexico City? Did you and your husband find enticing to call it your current home?
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Belinda Carlisle
Oh, gosh. Well, you know, we were in Thailand beforehand. We lived in eight different countries, so we were in Thailand beforehand during the pandemic, and it got really crazy. So for us, it was like a choice of leaving because we had been locked in the country for a year and a half or, you know, staying. And my dad had. My dad had passed away. We hadn't seen our son. So it's like this could. We could be sitting here for another year and a half, easy. So we decided, eeny, meeny, miny, moe, it's time to go to Mexico. And that's what we did. So we thought. I mean, I grew up with Mexico in my childhood. You know, we'd go on trips with my parents and my family quite a bit. So I. So I thought we'd end up at the beach. And then our goddaughter said, you're crazy to check out Mexico City. So, okay. You know, I mean, the worst that can happen is you have to move back, you know, with. With any of these. These moves that we made to different countries. So when we arrived in Mexico City, it was during rainy season. I was like, what have I done, man, I'm too old for this. You know, this is like. This is like, too crazy. But then I woke up after the rainstorm to the most. In the morning, to the most. I mean, the nature was off the charts, and I fell instantly in love with it. And since we've been here for four and a half years, we have an amazing infrastructure. All my friends, with the exception of one, I think are Mexican, and I'm learning the language, and I want to be fully integrated by the end of next year.
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Maureen Callahan
Like Meghan Markle. Are you on duolingo?
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Belinda Carlisle
I am on duolingo, just like me. But I also. I do duolingo every single day. But I also have. I have teachers from Oaxaca that I do zoom lessons three times a week.
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Maureen Callahan
Oh, awesome.
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Belinda Carlisle
Amazing.
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Maureen Callahan
Okay. This is from a troublemaker named Eric. Now, Eric is a real fan. He says, belinda, I have been a true fan of yours in real time since your perfect, wonderful 1986 debut solo album. Belinda, it is my opinion, just my opinion, that your third brilliant, gorgeous 1989 album, Runaway Horses, was indeed your first masterpiece. It only gets better. Your single from it. Oh, this is so. This is. He's a real. He's a real. He's really into your discography. Your first single from it, leave A Light on for Me, which we all remember charted in the US but then Runaway Horses seem to be iced out and ignored from the US Music industry. Why? And how did you feel that in the US the album was not invested in or the label didn't invest in it?
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Belinda Carlisle
You know, something a lot of. I've been through this so many times with record labels where your point person leaves, you know, or gets fired, and then whoever comes in has no vested interest in, you know, supporting your career. This has happened to me so many times. I mean, I've been doing this since I was 18 years old. So, you know, it's just one of those things that happens. I think Runaway Horses, out of all the albums I've made, and I made a lot of solo albums besides, you know, doing the Go Go's albums, I think it's probably my favorite album. And I think it. I have to agree with him. I think it's. Overall, the concept is. Is. Is amazing. And there are so many songs on there like Summer Rain. It was a. In a lot of different countries, but I just didn't have the record company support. So, yeah, it kind of fell by the wayside.
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Maureen Callahan
That's, you know, I think that's something that, that the average fan, no matter how much a fan of music you are. Doesn't. Would never. It would never occur to you that the business side of it is so important and that if you don't have an advocate at the label who's going to throw the building at it, you're kind of on your own.
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Belinda Carlisle
Totally. And that's. That's happened to me like, three or four times in my career, so it's annoying. And. But it's like, it's just one of those things that unfortunately does happen to artists. And. Yeah, if you don't have, like, your, you know, your point person that's really supportive and will go to bat for you, then, you know, it's. You know, you're kind of left on your own and sort of winging it. And even good management can't. Can't. You know, you have to have the record company support to have a big hit. Wow.
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Maureen Callahan
Okay, two more before we get to our reveal of the next destination. The subject line is heart. Belinda Carlisle then says she likes to be electrocuted. Oh, my dream girl. Because she got electrocuted in Mexico City.
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Belinda Carlisle
You know, my Mexican friends were really impressed with that. It's a game called Tocas, and it is played in bars, and it's, like, for fun. And it's like, I figured, well, why not? You know, I mean, the worst that can happen is you can be electrocuted. Right?
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Maureen Callahan
And you were electrocuted, and I was electrocuted.
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Belinda Carlisle
Exactly, exactly.
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Maureen Callahan
Okay, this one, the Nervy Tri. Oh, sorry. Okay. They want to know what the next destination is. Now, we had given them three to vote on. One was the Galapagos, one was the spookier side of France, and one was Egypt. And the uncontested winner for our next destination. This is not to say the other two will never be done. They will, of course be done. Belinda, would you like to announce it?
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Belinda Carlisle
South of France.
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Maureen Callahan
Mm. The spookier side of the south of France. It's a runaway 46%. Wow. 46%. And this. This goes to show, like, how dialed in, like, this whole group of people are. We all at the nerve. Were dialed in because Belinda and I were hoping that would be what you guys voted for because we both are very, very interested in the. The mythology, the religious history, the lore. We both love a good tomb or a good dead body.
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Belinda Carlisle
A good catacomb. Yeah, exactly, exactly. No, I'm thrilled with that. I mean, it's. It's so rich in alternative history that people really don't know about. You know, that whole Southwest of France is something else.
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Maureen Callahan
Do you want to give them a little taste of, like, you know, what you were telling me? Because you. You guys lived there for quite a long time, right? So you have a real. It's again, it's going to kind of be like a version of Mexico City in which Belinda has a real deep knowledge and familiarity with the region and the culture and the history. And I do not. I've always wanted to go to the south of France. And I think Americans, if you can afford to take a vacation to France, stop. Number one is Paris. Like, that's just where you're going to go.
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Belinda Carlisle
That's why people assume that I. That I was. For 24 years we lived there. So. And it was a. France was really dear to our family, and it was. And it was amazing place to live. I became familiar with the myth of Mary Magdalene in that whole area of southwest France. And there's that whole, like, from, like the Camargue to Toulouse, that whole area was a. Was a. Its own country called Ositania until the Crusades sort of destroyed it and for a lot of different reasons. So I began that there was a. There's these pagans that. The Cathars that live there, and there's a lot of Cathar mythology still there. There's a lot of Mary Magdalene mythology. There's a Black Madonna in the. In the Camargue, which is like a pilgrimage, and it's very powerful. And there's the whole. There's a whole legend of Renly Chateau, which is a church near this town called Carcassonne in the mountains, that there's a really famous book called Holy Blood, Holy Grail. It's about this. This. What did they find in this church that was poor for centuries, and all of a sudden it became very wealthy. It was some knowledge that they found that. That they think that was buried in the foundation of this. Of this church. So, I mean, I. I've, like, I became like a grail hunter and, and just like completely crazy for Mary Magdalene and. Yeah, that'll be a really interesting episode, I think.
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Maureen Callahan
I think so, too. I'm so. You know, I had never heard of. We were talking about the biblical myths, histories, alternative histories that I've never heard of that you were teaching me about. I did not know that the Mary Magdalene mythology and the whole south of France thing, and it's deeper, darker, and far more interesting than anything you would find in something like the Da Vinci Code. And then you and I were talking about the Gnostic Gospels, which is A famous book, I think, from 77 or. But it's about these texts that were found maybe 50 years ago, and they're all different versions of the gospels that the powers that be that were forming the Catholic Church, what would become the Catholic Church, edited out because they ran counter to what they wanted their followers to have as information, basically.
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Belinda Carlisle
Exactly. And you turned me onto that. I mean, I knew about the Gnostic Gospels, but you turned me onto this amazing book by Elaine Pagels that I'm currently reading. And then I started doing a lot of research online and. And there's a lot of information, but, yeah, it was totally suppressed. That the. These. The. I mean, that version of the Bible. Well, the version of the Bible that we got isn't exactly what was meant or what was originally written, so.
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Maureen Callahan
Originally written. Exactly. And so there's so much weird, deep, cool, interesting history in the south of France that we're going to explore. Oh, we talked about the news just came out also that the fourth season of the White Lotus is shooting in.
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Belinda Carlisle
The south of France in Saint Tropez, which I love Saint Tropez off season. If we get a chance to drop by Saint Tropez, we definitely should just. But, yeah, I mean, it must be in the ether, the idea of south of France.
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Maureen Callahan
I think so. And I also had just listened the other day, too. There's this podcast that a friend of mine turned me onto that I was surprised I hadn't heard of it before. I don't know if we've talked about it. It's called the Rest is History, and it's these two British historians, and they do these deep dives on, like, famous historical figures, but they'll do like four or five episodes. And one of the most recent ones they just did was Joan of Arc.
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Belinda Carlisle
Amazing.
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Maureen Callahan
And it's amazing, fascinating. And I didn't know this, but they talk about. So the lore is she went to the stake and she was like, I will not recant. I will die. Like, God is talking to me. I am his warrior and his messenger. She recanted, Belinda. She did recant.
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Belinda Carlisle
Wow.
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Maureen Callahan
And they burned her anyway. She didn't want to die.
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Belinda Carlisle
Well, I'm sure that she's in that same area because I'm sure when I was on my way to Toulouse or whatever that I'd see the. The town that was. They would have Joan of Arc on signposted. So, yeah, we should definitely get into that. It's a. That whole area has weird stuff going on.
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Maureen Callahan
Do you think that. That her. Where she was Burned is like a memorialized sacred site. Like, I don't think it's a UNESCO World Heritage site.
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Belinda Carlisle
No, definitely not. But it's probably marked, I would think. I mean, they've marked. There's a lot of figures in that book, Holy Blood, Holy Grail, that are marked in different parts of France. Like Jacques de Molay, who was a big player in this Holy Blood, Holy Grail. His. His place where he was hanged in Paris is marked. So I would think that. That Joan of Arc, that that's probably, you know, a sacred spot and it. Probably a pilgrimage for some people.
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Maureen Callahan
Yeah. We should see if we can. If we can find it, if we can add it to the trip. And then you had the great suggest maybe start the trip. And I think this could be really fun and worthwhile with kind of like our walking tour through Paris.
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Belinda Carlisle
Oh, my God. Yeah, that would be. That's. You know, every time I've been in Paris, I've never. I've done a lot of walking, but not to actually learn about certain buildings and, and. And I love the history of. Of the city, but also the cemetery there, which is a walking tour in itself because so many people are buried there.
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Maureen Callahan
I have not been to this cemetery, and I'm dying to go. Do you want to tell us who are among the. The very famous grave sites are there?
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Belinda Carlisle
Right. Well, it's called Pere Lachaise. I'm probably saying that wrong, but it's Pere Lachaise, Maria Callas, Chopin, Jim Morrison. God, there were some French directors that were there, but I mean, like, you know, it's like a.
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Maureen Callahan
Who is Oscar Wilde buried there? Is he buried there?
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Belinda Carlisle
I think he is. I'm pretty sure he is, actually.
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Maureen Callahan
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I would love to go to his grave.
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Belinda Carlisle
Yeah, that'd be amazing. It'd be amazing.
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Maureen Callahan
All right, so it's the south of France.
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Belinda Carlisle
It is.
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Maureen Callahan
And we also want to hear from you guys if you have any special requests, if you do, if you're interested in the Paris walking tour. I have been. I've been lucky enough to go to Paris several times. I'm sure not nearly as much as you've been, Belinda.
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Belinda Carlisle
No, I haven't, actually.
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Maureen Callahan
I think we. Oh, really?
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Belinda Carlisle
I haven't. I mean, when I was living in south of France for all those years, I rarely went to Paris, so I don't know it as well as south of France.
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Maureen Callahan
No, I would love for us to go to, you know, in the. This. I don't mean this to sound like overwrought. But it is truly how I felt when. When Notre Dame was burning. I felt like I was losing a person, you know, and. Go ahead. Yeah.
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Belinda Carlisle
Remember when they were singing Ave Maria outside on the. As it was burning? I mean, I.
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Maureen Callahan
It's.
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Belinda Carlisle
It was very emotional, and I actually went to the new Notre Dame when I was in. I was in Paris a year ago, and it was. It was impressive. I mean, I miss the patina of the old one, but it still is pretty impressive of what they've done. But, God, that was tragic.
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Maureen Callahan
Yeah. It would be amazing to go and see it and show it to the nerve that the troublemakers. You know, what it's like now, and if it feels different and if you can still go all the way to the top. I don't. Like. I remember going all the way to the top and thinking I might, like, critically injure myself because those stones are so worn down through hundreds and hundreds of years of. And they were so narrow and tiny because people were smaller back then. But then you get to the top and it's just. And, you know, the other thing about Paris that, like, we in America just have no concept of. It's a museum city. They don't build tall. They won't do it.
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Belinda Carlisle
No, no. And that's. That's refreshing. You know, I think, of course, every. Every major city has, like, a little financial center where they have, you know, skyscrapers. But. But in Paris, they do have a small area for that, but, you know, they've really kept the integrity of the city, I think.
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Maureen Callahan
Yes. And it's also the site of, you know, the before trilogy, which is one of your favorite trilogies. One of my favorite trilogies. But the second film, Before Sunset, is set in Paris, and they do that whole walking tour, like, that whole. You get a tour of it as the viewer. And there's that moment when Ethan Hawke, he's, like, trying to seduce Julie Delpy again. And, like, the way they seduce each other, it's through their words, you know, they just want to be smart for each other.
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Belinda Carlisle
Brilliant.
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Maureen Callahan
And he's telling her she's the Parisian, so. But he's trying to tell her something. And he's, like, telling this story, and he's like, I don't even know if it's true or not. But during the World War II, the Nazis had bombs placed everywhere, like Notre Dame and, like, the Louvre, and they were gonna blow the city up, like, in a synchronized moment. And then at the last minute, the guy who had his, like, finger on the button was like, I Can't do it. I can't. I can't destroy Paris that well.
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Belinda Carlisle
That film I have now, I have to watch them all. I've just seen them. Oh, the trilogy. I think there's a fourth one now too, isn't there? Or is it just.
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Maureen Callahan
I wonder if they've never. They never confirm or deny whether they're making one until it's like, done. So they like. Ethan Hawke just did an interview where he said he's working on something else with Richard Linklater right now and, but. And he thinks it's going to be amazing and unlike anything. So it didn't sound like a fourth version of the before trilogy. I bet you they. I kind of feel like they're going to wait until they're like in their 60s.
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Belinda Carlisle
I just have a feeling it's the most amazing films. I think the trilogy is amazing. Beautiful.
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Maureen Callahan
Yeah, I agree completely.
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Belinda Carlisle
Beautiful.
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Maureen Callahan
I agree completely. Yeah. I'm so happy we have our next destination and I'm so happy. It's the south of France and it's going to be amazing. And Belinda, you look amazing in the devil horns and the pearls. I'm like dying.
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Belinda Carlisle
I know I was. I thought I have pearls somewhere and I found them, so. Thank God they're my mother in law's. Are they really? Yeah, yeah, they're Pamela Mason.
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Maureen Callahan
Pamela Mason's pearls.
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Belinda Carlisle
Yes, they are.
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Maureen Callahan
Wow. Well, they look amazing. Thank you so much for joining us on the nerd.
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Belinda Carlisle
I got it. Thank you for having me. And I'm excited.
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Maureen Callahan
Are you kidding? I'm excited too. All right, we'll see you soon.
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Belinda Carlisle
Okay, bye.
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Bill from Brooklyn
Bye.
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Belinda Carlisle
Bye.
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Maureen Callahan
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Maureen Callahan
We are back and it is time for your emails and I misspoke earlier. The Troublemaker Art Check out Tuesday's Nerve because I actually showed both of the the newer pieces in that Nerve, okay, over on YouTube. Okay, here we go. Hi Maureen. This goes to us asking you guys whether we should continue, Tim and I, with our hate watch of Emily in Paris or if we should possibly move on to a show that, like, we both actually enjoy. Hi Maureen. I suffered through two seasons of Emily in Paris. Despite liking Sylvie as I do, as Tim does, I did not care about any of the other characters, especially Emily. I binge watched, however, the Pit Season 1 and went into withdrawals after I completed it. The show is so good that I missed the characters. I know the feeling. This is Troublemaker Karen. I know the feeling. When you find yourself too in a really good book, I find myself slowing down so that I don't finish it. And if it's a really, really, really good book, I'm thinking about even fictional characters when I'm not reading it. When I'm going about my day, I'm wondering what's going to happen to them, if they're gonna be okay, what's going on in their head. That's how you know you've got a great piece of art. And so I've been talking to Tim about the Pit being our next watch in like maybe a week or so, we're gonna go into it because I have questions for him as well about hair and makeup on that show. Hi Maureen. This goes to Mel Robbins and her Let Them concept and her interview with Bill Maher that we covered here at the Nerve. What I find this Troublemaker remains anonymous. As per this Troublemaker's request. What I find so surprising is that nobody has come out and said, I agree. To my knowledge, I haven't heard this either. I've heard that she has stolen the let them theory that has been reported everywhere and I don't think Mel's ever commented on it. Which tells you something. My opinion, Mel, this troublemaker writes, has stolen this concept from the AA12 step program. Specifically, this troublemaker says. It's step three. The step says, quote, made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understand Him. The gist of this step is that we are in control of nobody or anything in this world other than than ourselves. All we can do is control how we respond to situations. We are letting go of control over other people and situations as well as the outcomes. This troublemaker says. And I do believe it could be true because Mel has spoken about day drinking at her lowest, I think when she was around 800k in debt. Again, riddle me that. I understand that Mel is in recovery. Just what this troublemaker says. It is troublesome to melt that she is stealing something from a program that was so freely given to her. AA is free and that she should freely pass on to others. I agree with you. Hi Maureen, avid watcher of the Nerve. Now, we've gotten many emails about this. I thought you would like to know there's someone on YouTube running candid counterpoint videos stealing your show. They're just like ripping it off and posting it on this other channel. It's like the third time this has happened. This troublemaker, Aziza, thank you. Has reported it to YouTube. Many of you got in touch with me to let me know, and I really, really, really appreciate that because sometimes we don't know. And so I ran that directly up the chain@nerve HQ and YouTube was alerted and it should be down by now, we hope. Okay, finally, Stedman Graham from Troublemaker Paul from Australia. I've been following with interest your coverage on Stedman and the proposition that his body has been concealed by Oprah and Gayle. I note his Instagram and Twitter feeds seem to stop towards the end of 2019. Yeah, we noticed too, Paul. We noticed too. One of Stedman's final tweets. Seems to me I'm dying for Law and Order to fictionalize this. I really am. And I would love it if they would cast some whack a doodle as like the host of of some crazy unhinged podcast that's been promoting this theory that finds its way across a desk over at svu. Okay. One of his final tweets seems to me to be a cryptic call for help. It reads, paul, oh my God. If you expect others to free you, it is never going to happen. I think he is still alive, but being held captive in a basement or an attic with Could Oprah be so keen to get rid of him in her new body slash new life phase that he is being hidden flowers in the attic style, slowly being poisoned by arsenic donuts while Oprah lives the life of glamour with Gail? At what point should the FBI be called? I think the FBI should have an open investigation, Paul. Maybe they do, and maybe we're just not privy to it because we are just civilians. But we are going to see. Stay on this developing story. Where is Stedman? Where is Stedman? Please keep your feedback coming. 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Maureen Callahan
Joining me now is Nerve favorite. You guys have been asking for him and actually, you know, when we were doing the Nerve Awards, there, there were people working on the show as like, they were like, where's Bill from Brooklyn? Where is. You mean he's not coming? And I was like, no, he's an actual job that like contributes to society. He tries to make time for our bullshit. But you know, I gotta like space my requests out. He joins us. There are several things going on in the news that I do think speak to that self described cohort of troublemakers who call themselves the Mo Bros. And Bill is here to help me have that conversation with you because he talks football, he understands that language and other things. Bill, welcome back to the Nerve.
- [43:12]
Bill from Brooklyn
Thank you for having me. Great to be here.
- [43:14]
Maureen Callahan
I'm glad you can make the time. There are a few stories that have been going around in the news that I've wanted to speak to you about. We talked about this a little bit amongst ourselves and you had this theory that I just thought it was so elegant and simple and I was like, it explains all of the weirdness that's going on right now with Tom Brady. All of it. I find it weird. I find it off putting. Every time Gisele does something, he like a teenager posts some cryptic shit to his Instagram account. And this most recent one was, or one of the more recent ones was after Gisele Bundchin announced that she had remarried the jiu jitsu instructor who she was definitely not having an affair with while married to Tom. But they have a baby now. They got married. There are photos of them in Florida. They look very happy. And Tom Brady went to Instagram stories on December 20 after news broke and he posted a photo of himself wearing a white hoodie. I'm reading from Instagram. That read Forever Young on it. And then under that, he captioned it. Yup. With like multiple P's.
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Bill from Brooklyn
Yeah, I, I, I, you know, I didn't really, I'm not a social media person, so I didn't realize the full extent of it until earlier today when you asked me to go back and, and look at some of the, the posts that he had. So I did a little bit of research and like, it, it's kind of sad. Like, I don't know many 50 year old guys that take shirtless pictures of themselves and post it. Now. The guy's in great shape and he could do it, but it's kind of, you know, it just speaks to the mindset. You're really this hung up on what people think of you?
- [45:06]
Maureen Callahan
Well, it's, to me, it goes to like Giselle. Don't you miss what, what was over here? Look at me with my shirt off. My body's fully waxed. Tom Brady is fully waxed. Okay. I believe he engages in body makeup. It's, it's not very masculine, Bill, is it?
- [45:26]
Bill from Brooklyn
No, definitely not. And I don't, honestly, I don't even know if it's, if it's for Giselle so much as for everyone else, just for the public perception that he didn't lose to Giselle, that this is the life he wants, that he didn't lose, like, you know, like we were talking about. Tom Brady had two professional significant losses in his career to, you know, real big ones to Eli Manning and the Giants. That's kind of what Eli Manning is known for. You know, that'll, you know, to me.
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Maureen Callahan
Because again, I don't, I don't pay attention to football at all. But you talked about, can you talk a little bit about what this, what this loss psychologically probably did to someone like a Tom Brady?
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Bill from Brooklyn
Yeah. So, I mean, he was, you know, I believe it was 08. They were on an historically great season. They were undefeated going into the Super Bowl. Yes, the Patriots, they were undefeated. Undefeated regular Season one time. It's happened in the history of football.
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Maureen Callahan
And it's the Pats.
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Bill from Brooklyn
No, is the Miami Dolphins that.
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Maureen Callahan
Oh, it happened once before.
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Bill from Brooklyn
Yes. Had a perfect season. Okay, so the Patriots are on their way there. All they have left is a Super Bowl. Everyone expects them to win. And then here comes Eli Manning and the Giants and Eli's just the same face every day. Never, never makes any, you know, nothing goofy. You never know how he's feeling. He's just out there playing kind of like, you know, that what everybody in New York likes that workman like type personality.
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Maureen Callahan
I was just thinking of that word workman like. Yeah.
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Bill from Brooklyn
And he just goes out there and gets it done and then he beats him a second time. So to me, I look at this and I see all these posts and this shirtless stuff and the forever young while his ex wife has restarted with someone else.
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Maureen Callahan
And a younger man, by the way.
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Bill from Brooklyn
Younger man who could beat the out of him. Just embarrassing, I guess, to him. Like who? No, no one cares. Like marriages don't work out all the time. It happens. People get divorced. It is what it is. Be gracious, go out there, wish them the best in their marriage and move on. I mean it's not that big of.
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Maureen Callahan
A rich about this, Billy, because we're going to talk about your theory about why all these like, like ridiculous lame social media posts and the like hanging out with 25 year old influencers. But this feels very late stage Elvis to me. Like, do you remember when Priscilla Presley left Elvis for her karate instructor? You may not, you were too young for this. But like I'm a historian of this shit. I was too young for this. Anyway, she left Elvis for her karate instructor and this was, this was a real blow to Elvis Presley because nobody says no to Elvis Presley. And then he started like in his like Vegas shows and stuff, he became fat Elvis and he would come out like dressed like he was like. What do you call the like what's the. When you're doing karate, what's that? What do you wear?
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Bill from Brooklyn
The gi.
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Maureen Callahan
The gi. He would come out in the GI and do like karate moves and stuff like that. And that's what this feels like to me this time. All of this like over correcting instead of being like. And this by the way, is so rich coming from a guy. You know, he and Bridget Moynihan, they did it in a very classy way and she was extremely classy about it. But listen, she was pregnant when Tom Brady started dating Gisele and they've Always insisted there was zero overlap. I've never bought it. So why is. Why does Tom Brady get to feel sorry for himself? Why does he get to ask us to feel sorry for him?
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Bill from Brooklyn
See, that's the thing. I think he's too proud to ask people to feel sorry for him, but at the same time, he's so embarrassed by this because it's a loss for him. And everything in. In his life is so controlled, from the diet he has to, you know, to the.
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Maureen Callahan
The way he workout regimen.
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Bill from Brooklyn
I watched a video of how he threw a ball in the wind and he had, you know, he explained it so well, and I never knew there was so much detail that went into how he threw the ball depending upon the. The direction of the wind and the speed of the wind.
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Maureen Callahan
Like, he kidding.
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Bill from Brooklyn
He has a level of control of everything. Yeah, it was, it was amazing. And it made perfect sense. He was able to explain it in a way that.
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Maureen Callahan
Why can't he do that? In his role as a color commentator for fox Sports at 25 million year.
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Bill from Brooklyn
It was no, it's 37 and a half million. And it was actually part of it. It was a little. It was a little clip of it. But, you know, so you can't tell me all this other stuff coming out there, it's not just who he is every day. It's controlled. It's, it's. It. I would, I would have hoped he would have had a better social media person, a little better public relations to saying, Tom, you're approaching 50. You don't have to be out there with your shirt on. You know, everybody knows you're the greatest off. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of. I don't know. We talked about a rod last time I was on. It's kind of a rod ish to me. You know, like that, that picture of Central Park. Yeah.
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Maureen Callahan
It's lame. It's thirsty, it's. It's desperate. It shows who he is really deep inside. And I think to your point, you said. So this was the thing, this was your elegant theory as to what's going on is that aside from that loss to Eli Manning at the Super Bowl, Tom Brady doesn't lose. He doesn't lose games. He doesn't lose in business deals, and he doesn't lose people, especially women. If anybody's walking away, it's him.
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Bill from Brooklyn
Yeah.
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Maureen Callahan
And I guess Giselle walked away from him and she's never looked back, it seems.
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Bill from Brooklyn
So he. He turns around, he has to get. And I don't even know who this girl was but the 25 year old. Yeah.
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Maureen Callahan
I never even heard of L I X Special.
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Bill from Brooklyn
Okay. But you know what the ironic thing is? I've seen games of Brady, and I mean, he's. He's. He's the goat. Like, I mean, I'm in New Yorker, and I'll say he's the greatest quarterback of all time. Just, you know, if you're going into a game, you got one or two quarterbacks you want in history. It's Tom Brady and Joe Montana. But if you're going for a full career, it's Tom Brady. He stayed healthy longer. He did it better than anyone, and he was as tough as they come. I saw him get hit in the game. He got hit so hard and driven to the ground that it ripped his helmet off. And he just got back up and grabbed his helmet and went right back to work. He's actually physically tough. You have to give it to him. He's so worried about what everybody thinks, and he's putting all this crap out. I just. I don't know. It's kind of. Kind of weak.
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Maureen Callahan
You know what I think it is? Before we go over to another football player who seems to have lost his way, Travis Kelsey. I think with a Tom Brady, someone who achieves that level of true greatness. Like, you were just talking about how he broke down the mechanics of throwing a football in the wind based on detecting which way the wind was going. It's kind of like American Sniper kind of stuff, right? How you get the shot off with the wind. There's no room for anything else in your life. It's football from sun up to sundown. That is it. You eat, sleep, breathe, dream it. And even your closest relationships with his wife, with his children, they're going to suffer. You know, when they. Before they separated, he did this interview with Howard Stern. I'll never forget it. And I was kind of shocked he admitted it because it really gave a peek behind the cost of that kind of greatness and the kinds of, you know, it's a mentality to pursue it. He was like, I've missed Thanksgivings. You would think a Tom Brady could be like, you know what, guys? I'm gonna take Thanksgiving off, okay? That's a day that's sacred. He's like, I've missed Thanksgivings, I've missed Christmases, I've missed birthdays, I've missed graduations. Like, that's the cost.
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Bill from Brooklyn
I don't think any of them get there. Any of the greats get there. I don't Think Michael Jordan got there. I don't think Colby got there. You don't get to that level of success without having that sacrifice. I just don't think it's possible. I mean, you know, there's one thing to be a Hall of Famer, but the greatest of all time, it's. There has to be sacrifice somewhere.
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Maureen Callahan
Okay, that's a perfect transition to Travis Kelce, whose game has, from my reading, my deep extensive reading of Us Weekly and tmz, gone to shit. And people have been talking about this really since like 2023 at least. And there seems to be. I don't wanna make this a sort of Yoko Ono narrative where like, you know, the woman comes in and she distracts the man from his greatness and saps his ability. It's like a Samson and Delilah thing. But, but we talked about this. Was it the 2024 Super bowl leading up to where there were these paparazzi photos of Travis and Taylor Swift out with Patrick Mahomes and his wife? It was like the night before the super bowl or two nights before the super bowl and they had been clearly out having a very boozy dinner. And it was like Travis got the makeover and the Hollywood treatment and the glow up and like it. What are your theories? Because I actually do think that, that Taylor Swift entering his life has, has actually had a deleterious effect on his game.
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Bill from Brooklyn
So I was actually thinking about this over last couple of days since you told me you wanted to discuss it. And so his drop off in his career, I mean, he was another one all time great for his position and he had some fantastic numbers few years back. But he's 34 years old, he's ancient in terms of a football player. So the stats that he put up this year and last year, while they're not Travis Kelsey numbers, they're still pretty good numbers for a football player. There's a lot of other teams that would take him out there. And I, you know, think it's more to do with probably the age and realizing that there's other things out there. And I'm sure Taylor Swift has opened his eyes to those things.
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Maureen Callahan
Open doors for him.
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Bill from Brooklyn
Sure. I also think to a degree she probably wants him to keep running it back and getting back on that field for as long as he possibly can. Because for 17, 18, 19 weeks a year, her name is going to be mentioned on some NFL game. And I mean, for her, all publicity is good publicity. Right? She wants her name out there all the time. So I, I kind of get the Feeling my thoughts only. You know, maybe she's the driving force for him to continue playing. He's saying he's not sure. He's got to think about it. And I've read a bunch of great athletes in the past, they say once you consider it, it's time to hang it up.
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Maureen Callahan
Really?
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Belinda Carlisle
What does your gut tell you about Travis Kelce?
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Sports Analyst
My gut tells me about Travis Kelce is that he will not be back next year. I mean, he has had a significant career, K. And let me tell you this. He has had an excellent year. Once again, this year, he is a top tight end in the NFL. I mean, I'm not sure exactly what his stats are, but I know he's producing. And if any team can get the type of production that he's having this year, I mean, I'm talking like 25 other teams would take him in a heartbeat, you know, especially with that production that he's having. I mean, he's getting first downs, he's moving the chains. But we're just, just so used to Travis Kelce, you know, playing at such a high level that he has been doing his whole entire career that now Father Time has got him, gotten to him a little bit. So now we're all wondering, oh, man, what happened? Well, that's just Father Time. He's still a very good tight end. But in the end, overall, where the Kansas City Chiefs are with Patrick Mahomes getting hurt, with everything else that's going on and Travis's Kelce's life, I think this is his last year. And what a heck of a career he has had. No doubt about that. And when the game, you know, stops being fun to you because you can't dominate anymore. That was my situation. Yeah, I was producing, but I couldn't dominate anymore. And when you can't dominate anymore, you can't really be yourself. That's when it's not fun, and that's when you don't want to be out there anymore. And I would say that's kind of where Travis is, you know, yes, he's getting first downs, he's making cast, but he's not dominating like he was. So I see this being his last year.
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Maureen Callahan
Like, once you start thinking about it, like that's your subconscious or maybe you don't want to give it up. But like, sometimes. You know how they say sometimes, like, your body knows things before your brain knows them, like, you'll get run down or like, you know, you'll just something. Something like you'll get panic attacks or Whatever. You won't know why, but it's taking your system a minute. Like your brain is somehow protecting you. Right. Like you're. That's what this sounds like.
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Bill from Brooklyn
Yeah. You can't, you know, when they can't get ready for the grind, it's not the game itself. It's the grind of preparing for the games, preparing for the season, and, and the bumps and bruises that go along with it. You know, whatever sport it is, when you can't get up for that every single day through the off season, that's when it starts to take its toll. But if there's enough financial incentive, which.
- [58:39]
Maureen Callahan
He doesn't need at this point, you.
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Bill from Brooklyn
Know, he doesn't need. But I mean, if they don't need it, why are they still out there? It's, you know, it's. I think it becomes financial incentive or just having to see their name somewhere all the time.
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Maureen Callahan
What's his identity, too? Same thing with Tom Brady. You know, he did retire two weeks later. He was like, I'm back in. You know, it's, it's, it is his identity. And what do you think, though, before we move on to our third guy? And this is all basically, really what I think that the thread through these discussions are, is current representations of masculinity and what it is to be a man. Now, there are reports that Travis Kelce is in talks with multiple networks for a post NFL career. And I'm going to guess that these are similar to the talks Tom Brady was having before he finally pulled the plug, which was to become a color commentator. You know, I think, again, I don't really watch sports, but I'm interested in, like, people who are really good at what they do. And, you know, Michael Strahan, I think is one. He's a very, very, very gifted broadcaster. He's a really good color commentator. What do you think Travis Kelce looks like behind a desk? Do you think he'll be any good?
- [59:58]
Bill from Brooklyn
I don't know. I, I honestly I haven't seen enough of him to say he will be, but I can honestly say it's, it's much less. Are really that good at it? Even Tom Brady struggled his first year.
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Belinda Carlisle
He was.
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Maureen Callahan
Why do you think that is? They understand the game like nobody else, but they can't articulate it quite. Like, why do you think that is? Are they too close to it?
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Bill from Brooklyn
I read something, I forget who it was, but it was a discussion about baseball managers and why you never really see great baseball players become managers and made a ton of sense at the time, the skill level, the athletic, the God given, Bill, God given abilities. These guys have to do things they can't teach and they can't understand why somebody else can't do it. And they may struggle to articulate it. Why somebody can't put the football in a narrow window or why somebody like Travis Kelce, he may struggle to understand why someone that's maybe not as strong as him or doesn't enjoy the contact of the game as much as he does. I mean, that's what his game was built around. He was just. He's a bull. He's going out there, he's getting the ball and he's daring you to take it from him or, or stop him. Other guys can't do that. Most people can't. And that's what made him so special on the field. And the last couple of years he's not as special. But at 34 years old to still be better than a lot of other guys playing the game, it says something.
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Maureen Callahan
Interesting.
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Bill from Brooklyn
I think he's going to start to lose a little bit of steam. I think everybody's starting to get a little tired of the Taylor Swift drama and all the other nonsense that goes with it. Yeah, I mean, sometimes just quit while you're ahead. Hang them up and go off into the sunset.
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Maureen Callahan
Give us a break. Just give us a break. Go away, regroup. Come back to us rested and ready in a couple of years. Okay. Finally, I want to talk to you about one Timothy Shamalama Ding Dong. You know, he's doing the awards circuit now, and it looks like he's now a lock to win the Oscar. And Hollywood is hell bent on shoving this guy. Native New Yorker. So, Bill, this is like we're native New Yorkers. We're going to talk about this because there is a very specific kind of guy you think about when you think of a New York tough guy, which is what he's currently playing in this ridiculous movie about the high stakes world of underground ping pong. I mean, could you imagine? I'm going to break both your legs if you don't win this tennis match, this table tennis match. Get out. Okay, so following in the, in the footsteps of Hollywood's greatest leading men. And I'm just going to rattle off a few. Cary Grant, Marlon Brando, James Dean, Paul Newman, Robert Redford, Harrison Ford, Brad Pitt, George Clooney and Johnny Depp. Now this, this is our new leading man, Timothy Chalamet. Bill, take it. You take it.
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Bill from Brooklyn
So I'm gonna start with, if you haven't posted it or put it out there. That clip you sent to me of that interview, top level.
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Sports Analyst
Yeah.
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Bill from Brooklyn
That you should put out there for people to see if anybody hasn't seen it. Because I saw it just, just all I could think of was he's just got. I know other way to put it. He's just got a punchable face. After listening to that. And you never heard Robert De Niro, you never heard Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp, any of those guys. No one ever had to. They didn't have to tell you they were, they were the top dog out there. They were the, they were the, the top actor. No one told Clint Eastwood he was the tough guy. No one told him that 68, seven years. Whatever he was in Gran Torino, however old he was, as an old grandpa in there dying of cancer, he was still a badass.
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Maureen Callahan
Can I just stop you for a second there? Because you told me this once and I was like, I don't, I don't really believe you. You know, but you were right. You said, you said to me once, there is a side of dad, our late father, you said to me, there's a side of dad that you will never see. He will never show it to you. But it's, but it's there and I've seen it. And everybody who's worked under him has seen it. And they basically say that he is the Clint Eastwood character in Gran Torino.
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Bill from Brooklyn
Little bit. Little bit. There was a little bit in there.
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Maureen Callahan
But to your point, about, about Clint Eastwood. Yeah. Clint Eastwood never went around going, I'm a badass. He just was. I mean, he's still with us, but you know what I mean, Dirty Harry Callahan, for one.
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Bill from Brooklyn
You know, you never, no one's ever the free afraid of the guy that tells you you need to be afraid of him. It's always the quiet ones, right? It's always, you know, and going kind of back to what Tom Brady's going through right now. The confidence, like, you know, the confident ones are never, you know, like, they don't need to tell you.
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Maureen Callahan
And I feel like Timothy Chalamet, like, Bill, you work in the Bronx. You, you know, you've seen some shit, you know, you've experienced some real stuff. You know, if a kid like this crossed your path, I mean, what, what is in store for him? Not that you would ever put hands on somebody, but, but like, I mean, come on, like this little runt shows up. Do you know how old he is, by the way?
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Bill from Brooklyn
He's like 30.
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Maureen Callahan
Yeah, he's 30.
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Bill from Brooklyn
Yeah. I mean, he's old enough to know better, one would think. Yeah, I mean that's something. You know, maybe at 22 somebody says something like that and you know, okay, I'll give a pass. He's a kid, he doesn't know any better. No life experience, but 30 years old. You should have a better idea of kind of who you are, where you are in life. Should be thanking God. Where he is right now, I mean, he's making movies left and right, making a ton of money, I think.
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Maureen Callahan
Lacking any real appeal to women. He is not a masculine guy. Reportedly Julia Roberts was. They were courting her to star opposite him in this movie and she said, no effing way I'm going to look like I'm molesting a child.
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Bill from Brooklyn
Yeah, he, he does have that little boyish look to him. It's, it's just like you could barely grow facial hair. It might be body like it just. I'm not looking at him and saying, that's a tough guy. Like I'll, you know, give me a bunch of older actors. Somebody else like Robert De Niro and Joe Pesci. They never had to tell anybody they were gangsters in the movies. They played good fellas.
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Maureen Callahan
Like the holy grail for all straight men.
- [66:31]
Bill from Brooklyn
Good fellas. Casino like, like. I mean it's just you are who you are if you're good.
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Maureen Callahan
Tony Soprano. Tony Soprano, you know, but this is what I mean. Like there's, there's a, that we're losing something. Like Hollywood is insisting that Timothy's form of masculinity is, is, is now and in the future. This is it. This is it. And I'm telling you the general population is rejecting it. We are saying no. And can I give you my theory as to how we got it to Timothee Chalamet? I really wanna know your, your thought. Okay, here's my theory. Leonardo DiCaprio in Titanic, who presented like, like he could have been. He was very soft looking. He, he was kind of feminine. He was non threatening. You know that the, the thing that they say, which is often true about like, you know, adolescent girls, prepubescent girls, like our first crushes tend to be like non threatening looking boys and men like Harry Styles definitely fit that category. It's those guys, Leos and the Harry's, this sort of watered down kind of masculinity that, that brought us to. Although the Departed is Leo, I was gonna say over here because I fucking love that movie and I love him in that movie.
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Bill from Brooklyn
I'm gonna I would argue Leo based just on the Departed. Right. And you know, he was a kid in, in the Titanic and the Departed. Like he, you know, he nailed that role he played, you know, you really could see the stress in.
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Maureen Callahan
He should have won the Oscar for that fantastic movie.
- [68:05]
Bill from Brooklyn
One of my favorite movies of all time.
- [68:06]
Maureen Callahan
Same.
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Bill from Brooklyn
And. But he's another one. You don't hear him say anything to anyone. He does his thing. I even saw him get made fun of last night, you know, by. Was it Nikki Glazer? Yeah, about the, you know, he did, he had all these accomplishments before his next girlfriend turned 30 and he just left it all. He doesn't care is what it is. Just, I, I don't know. Listen, what you were saying about Hollywood trying to force this level of this type of masculinity down everybody's throat. Like, if this is the future, I mean, there's no place for me. And then, I don't know.
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Maureen Callahan
It'S why Hollywood is dying, because they're insisting. It's kind of like, who are you going to believe? Mirror your lying eyes. Timothee Chalamet is a hot news studded. A tough guy playing underground ping pong in New York City. Which, by the way, before I let you go, have you ever heard of an underground ping pong ring in New York City?
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Bill from Brooklyn
I don't even know anybody that plays ping pong. Because you're a real man on the underground. Underground. Yeah, I mean, we can do better.
- [69:09]
Maureen Callahan
Like Fight Club. Yeah, we had Fight Club. We're Gen X, we got Fight Club. Gen Z gets fucking Marty supreme.
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Starbucks Advertiser
Get out.
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Bill from Brooklyn
Oh my God. Perfect analogy. That's a way to drop the mic on that guy. Conversation.
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Maureen Callahan
Well, thank you, Bill. Thanks for joining us. You've been very missed here at the Nerve. It's lovely to see you.
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Bill from Brooklyn
Thank you for having me. I had a great time.
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Maureen Callahan
See you soon.
- [69:32]
Bill from Brooklyn
See you.
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Maureen Callahan
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