The Network State Podcast – Episode #27: Luke Gromen (Jan 14, 2026)
Main Theme:
Balaji Srinivasan and financial analyst Luke Gromen dive deep into the evolution of the global financial system, the unraveling of US monetary dominance, the rise of the “BRICS” (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa) and gold as alternative reserves, and how these trends shape the future of the global economy and sovereign “network states.” The episode weaves together macroeconomics, historical precedent, technology, and geopolitics.
1. Introduction: Who is Luke Gromen?
[00:45 – 02:38]
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Luke’s Background: 30 years in finance, began in investment research, editor of widely read macro research, now founder of FFTT LLC (Forrest for the Trees).
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Specialty: Aggregates massive amounts of public data to spot “developing economic bottlenecks,” which are seen as key to predicting major investment outcomes.
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Quote:
“What I’m looking for are developing economic bottlenecks...that’s the biggest attribution for investment outperformance.”
– Luke Gromen [01:32] -
Method: He likens his research approach to “a giant catfish at the bottom of the Ohio River, just waiting for stuff to come downstream” [03:26], taking a blend of fundamental macro and physical scarcity perspectives.
2. What Is an Economic Bottleneck?
[02:48 – 06:05]
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Bottlenecks can be both macro trends (policy, liquidity, consensus mispricings) and physical scarcities (like key resources).
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Quote:
“The secret sauce is, when I see something that interests me, it’s like a splinter in my brain...I start putting pieces together in a way that starts to build a mosaic of something that’s happening.”
– Luke Gromen [03:26] -
Receives most excited when consensus is far away from evidence.
3. The Post-2008 Macro: The Decline of Dollar Hegemony
[07:02 – 10:24]
- Gromen’s “Unified Theory”:
- Post-2008, the “BRICS” realized that the US could print dollars at will, exporting inflation and potentially threatening their financial security.
- The Global South saw this as a “financial attack” and began dedollarizing, increasingly trading commodities in gold or other currencies (notably yuan).
- Central banks in creditor nations stopped being “price-insensitive buyers of Treasuries”; instead, they've shifted into gold.
- US deficits balloon, with fewer foreign buyers for Treasuries.
4. Gold and the Global Shift in Reserves
[10:24 – 13:45]
- Gold’s Resurgence:
- Gold bricks are increasingly the cross-border reserve “currency” of the BRICS.
- Physical gold is returning in importance over paper/virtual derivatives.
- Record-high gold prices reflect not just market dynamics, but global monetary realignment.
- Fort Knox Gold Debate:
- Both agree gold may be there but wouldn’t be surprised by misaccounting.
- Broader skepticism about US official statistics (e.g., employment data).
- Memorable Moment:
“The currency of BRICS is gold bricks. Or it’s going to be, if it isn’t already.”
– Balaji Srinivasan [10:24]
“100%.”
– Luke Gromen [10:38]
5. The US Stock Market as the Economy
[16:09 – 21:01]
- Tax Receipts and Stocks:
- Post-1995, US consumption and tax receipts are disproportionately driven by stock market performance (due to stock-based compensation and wealth effects).
- Declines in stock indices now directly threaten economic stability and fiscal health.
- Key Chart: Year-over-year tax receipts track closely with market cap movements post-1995. (Not shown, discussed extensively).
- Quote:
“The US economy is the stock market. The stock market is the US economy...they can’t let equities fall and stay down by 20% for more than a week or two.”
– Luke Gromen [18:53] - Consequence:
- Policies like the “Plunge Protection Team”—cross-agency interventions to prop up equities—are now essential for economic security.
6. The “Shell Game” of US Financialization & Inflation as Taxation
[21:01 – 30:25]
- Dollar Inflation = Global Taxation:
- The US finances deficits by exporting dollar inflation, essentially taxing all dollar holders worldwide to defend equity values.
- Money-printing benefits Wall Street ("bacteria feeding off the sulfur vent") at the expense of the broader population.
- Quote:
“If you have this mental model—dollar inflation is global taxation...that explains a lot about why the world is the way it is, where everybody who’s not in finance or tech...is getting diluted down every day by this printed money.”
– Balaji [27:24]
- Post-Cold War Complacency:
- After 1991, with no Soviet check, the US neglected physical infrastructure. Now, key military components are imported from China—“you can’t go to war with China...because they won’t sell you the rare earth magnets you need to make the weapons to point at them.” [30:25]
- Deindustrialization:
- The USD’s reserve status (esp. since 1980s) facilitated a massive manufacturing shift overseas and American economic “peak” was around 2008.
7. Gold Repricing and Nonlinear Global Change
[30:25 – 34:32]
- The dedollarization shift may not be linear: once a tipping point is reached, gold could leap to dramatically higher levels.
- Quote:
“Gold going to 50%, 60%, 80% [of global reserves]…people think that’s going to happen linearly. I think...it’s going to happen nonlinear... gold $3,600, $3,800, $4,100, something happens, $14,000 in six months.”
– Luke Gromen [33:23] - Pushback on Official Narratives:
- US officials downplay the shift, citing actions by a “small group of countries”—yet those represent over a third of mankind and critical geographies.
- Memorable moment:
“A small group—China, India, Russia, and Turkey...so 37.5% of the world population.”
– Balaji [36:02] “And the world’s factory and the world’s manufacturing powerhouse...”
– Luke [36:15]
8. US Blindspot: Dismissing the "Rest" of the World
[36:15 – 43:22]
- US/Western Bias:
- Many policymakers ignore economic realities outside the West – e.g., writing off Russia as “a gas station with nukes,” ignoring its commodity leverage.
- Purchasing Power Parity: On this metric, China, India, and Russia are already the world’s top four economies.
- PPP for “Pew Pew Pew": A mnemonic that in wartime, actual productive capacity (PPP) outweighs nominal dollar values [43:22].
- China’s Manufacturing Might:
- “Overproduction” means being able to out-build—in both peacetime and potentially war—echoing America's WWII industrial dominance [43:29].
9. The Dollar’s Dilemma: Printing, Protectionism, and Stuck Choices
[45:20 – 53:20]
- China’s Real Strength:
- Even with its “flat” stock market, China’s wealth is in infrastructure and production—built via inflation “tax” but invested well, unlike the US’s misallocation.
- Quote:
“Inflation is taxation, but taxation could be used in a positive-sum way...what the Chinese government did is it spent it on roads and bridges and automated ports and gleaming this and gleaming that.”
– Balaji [48:38]
- Tariffs and Uncompetitiveness:
- US protectionist rhetoric is an admission of uncompetitiveness.
- US dollar devaluation may be inevitable due to global dedollarization (“tax base” could shrink by 50–90%).
10. What Happens to the Dollar and the US Internal Divide?
[53:20 – 62:03]
- Devaluation is Likely:
- US “business model” of global monetary dominance is ending, and with it, the ability to sustain living standards via fiat overlordship.
- Historical Parallel:
“You can go to 1963, right before we took silver out of quarters...in real money terms, minimum wage in the United States should be...30 bucks, 25 bucks, whatever it is. What is it really? It’s like less than half that. And that’s the whole grift. That’s the whole grift post-71.”
– Luke [54:38]
- Dollar: Collapse or Redenomination?
- Skeptical that the dollar itself would “die”; more likely is radical devaluation (think: adding zeros, Latin America-style).
- Risks of Political Polarization:
- US can't even agree on a shared reality, much less a new currency union if a crisis hit.
- Quote:
“It actually is an economic zone, not a country...where Blue America and Red America are as different as North Korean and South Korean.”
– Balaji [57:05]
- Luke’s Soviet Analogy:
- “Same currency, same register...they just closed the banks…when they reopened, the same money bought vastly less. Everyone who held gold and silver was fine. Bitcoin...would be more than fine.” [60:11]
11. Technology as a Destabilizer / The Dollar Tech Stack
[62:03 – 65:19]
- US payment rails (ACH, SWIFT, Fedwire) were pioneering, but now lag behind Asia’s WeChat/Alipay, India’s UPI, and global fintech/crypto railroads.
- “If you have the dollar no longer being stable, it’s so easy for people to set up an internet-based thing...no one would adopt the dollar again after it was delegitimized or partially dedollarized.” [64:31]
- Chinese Perspective:
- PLA Gen. Qiao Liang reportedly told party officials:
"The enemy of America and the American dollar are the technological platforms that the Americans are leading the world in pushing out. ... When we start to settle trade without the dollar payment rails, will the dollar currency hegemony still exist?”
– Cited by Luke [65:31]
- PLA Gen. Qiao Liang reportedly told party officials:
- Weaponizing the Dollar:
- Kicking Iran out of SWIFT was a historic mistake—forewarned the world to build parallel systems, peaking Chinese holdings of Treasuries.
12. The Dollar is Just One Database, and Other “Video Games” Are Rising
[69:40 – 74:16]
- The Dollar as a Database:
- The Fed’s “video game”—a closed ledger where they can freeze/seize value. Now, crypto blockchains and BRICS alternatives represent independent, decentralized counter-databases.
- The world is moving to “Internet Economy (crypto) and the Chinese/BRICS economy,” squeezing the Fed and US dollar system.
- Quote:
“The Big thing about is these two economies, which I called the Internet economy…the crypto economy and the Chinese economy or the BRICS economy. Right. Those are growing and then squeezing in the Fed's video game over here.”
– Balaji [72:32]
13. Conclusion: Where Next?
[74:16 – End]
- The US must reckon with its loss of productive and monetary dominance, and the world’s shift to hard assets, technological innovation, and multipolar currency systems.
- If you’re interested in Luke’s research, go to fftt-llc.com or follow him on X (@LukeGromen) [74:27].
Notable Quotes / Highlights
| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |---|---|---| | 03:26 | Luke Gromen | “I’ve equated myself to a giant catfish at the bottom of the Ohio river, just waiting for stuff to come downstream…” | | 10:24 | Balaji | “The currency of BRICS is gold bricks. Or it’s going to be, if it isn’t already.” | | 18:53 | Luke Gromen | “The US economy is the stock market. The stock market is the US economy...they can’t let equities fall and stay down by 20% for more than a week or two.” | | 27:24 | Balaji | “If you have this mental model—dollar inflation is global taxation...that explains a lot about why the world is the way it is, where everybody who’s not in finance or tech...is getting diluted down every day by this printed money.” | | 33:23 | Luke Gromen | “Gold going to 50%, 60%, 80% [of global reserves]…people think that’s going to happen linearly. I think...it’s going to happen nonlinear... gold $3,600, $3,800, $4,100, something happens, $14,000 in six months.” | | 36:02 | Balaji | “A small group—China, India, Russia, and Turkey...so 37.5% of the world population.” | | 54:38 | Luke Gromen | “In real money terms, if we had stayed on a gold standard…minimum wage in the United States should be...30 bucks, 25 bucks, whatever it is. What is it really? It’s less than half that. That’s the whole grift post-71.” | | 57:05 | Balaji | “It actually is an economic zone, not a country...Where Blue America and Red America are as different as North Korean and South Korean.” | | 65:31 | Gen. Qiao Liang (via Luke) | “When we start to settle trade without the dollar payment rails, will the dollar currency hegemony still exist? This is the question the Americans should be thinking about now.” |
Timestamps for Key Segments
- [00:45] Luke’s background & process
- [07:02] Post-2008 dollar shift and dedollarization trends
- [10:24] Gold as a new reserve standard for BRICS
- [16:09] Charting US stock market/economy link
- [21:01] The shell game: inflation as global taxation
- [30:25] American complacency after Cold War—loss of manufacturing
- [33:23] Gold’s nonlinear repricing potential
- [43:29] China’s manufacturing overcapacity and PPP
- [48:38] Inflation as taxation—US vs China use
- [53:20] What happens when reserve status ends?
- [57:05] US polarization & the “economic zone” concept
- [62:03] Dollar’s outdated tech stack; rise of fintech/crypto
- [65:31] The dollar as a database; China’s warnings
- [72:32] Competing “database” economies (crypto/BRICS vs dollar)
- [74:16] Wrapping up & where to find Luke
Overall Tone & Style
- Wide-ranging, deeply analytical, blending serious macro-finance with technical and historical asides.
- Both speakers are functionalists—focused on real-world consequences over formalistic definitions or word games.
- Candid, sometimes irreverent (“bacteria feeding off the sulfur vent,” “printer, printer everywhere, but no money for anything,” etc.), but never flippant.
Recommended Actions for Listeners
- For more of Luke’s research: fftt-llc.com
- Follow for macro/finance deep dives: X (@LukeGromen)
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