Hot Topic: “But You Don’t Look Autistic”

Summary

The Neurodivergent Experience

Episode: Hot Topic: “But You Don’t Look Autistic”

Date: September 18, 2025
Hosts: Jordan James (The Autistic Photographer) & Simon Scott

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Episode Overview

In this "Hot Topic" episode, Jordan and Simon dive deep into the pervasive stereotype captured by the phrase “But You Don’t Look Autistic.” The hosts discuss a recent BBC-featured photography exhibition in South Wales that aims to challenge stereotypes around autism by showcasing the diversity of autistic experiences and appearances. Drawing from the exhibition, their own personal stories, and recent events, Jordan and Simon explore why this stereotype persists, its impact, and why positive representation and neurodivergent pride are so important.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Addressing the Stereotype: "But You Don’t Look Autistic"

• [05:23] Jordan: The title of the exhibition resonates because many autistic people hear “you don’t look autistic” regularly, often from people trying (badly) to be kind.

  “People will literally say you don’t look autistic. And it’s… such a weird thing for someone to say, but the weirdest thing is that anyone who says it is trying to be nice, but he’s just sounding like an [expletive].”

• [05:58] Simon: This comment is intensely patronizing and diminishes the neurodivergent person’s lived experience.

2. Exhibition: Challenging Perceptions Through Photography

• [04:44] Jordan: Highlights a BBC article about a South Wales photography exhibition, "But You Don’t Look Autistic," where portraits of autistic children and adults challenge stereotypes.
• [06:51] Jordan: The exhibition features portraits showing “anyone can be autistic, no matter what they look like. So you can’t look autistic. You can just look like you.”
• [09:01] 15-year-old Liam featured in the exhibit:

  “A lot of the time they just speak to you as if you’re not as smart as them or you just can’t do the things they do.”

• [07:11] Discussion of inclusive representation and why it matters:

  “That’s the level of self acceptance and unmasking that…I wish everybody could be.” (Jordan)

3. Stereotypes, Stigma, and the Realities of Disclosure

• [09:56] Jordan: Shares the shift in how people treat him when they learn he’s autistic:

  “And then you go, ‘Oh yeah, I’m autistic.’ And all of a sudden they go, ‘Really? Oh, well, good for you.’ All of a sudden they disinfantilize you. And it’s just like immediately…”

• [11:11] The origins of the exhibition: Organizer Jade realized the need for better representation after conversations with her daughter. Despite being an advocate, Jade still faces disbelief due to stereotypes:

  “You can’t be autistic because you have a mortgage and can drive a car and you remember to get your hair cut this month.” (Simon, paraphrasing typical comments)

4. The Visible vs. Invisible Disability Dilemma

• [13:15] Jordan: Notes the double standard—for ADHD and dyslexia, no one says “You don’t look ADHD/dyslexic”

  “…but for some reason people say you don’t look autistic. And it’s like, well, does that mean being autistic is…so disabling, it clearly has to have a look?”

• [14:43] Discussion about physical disability, stereotypes, and temporary vs. permanent disability.

  “They don’t go, ‘Oh, that means you’re disabled.’ They go, ‘Oh, that means you’re injured.’” (Jordan)

5. Microaggressions and Everyday Ableism

• [16:18] Simon: Cites hearing “You’re not autistic if you just consider trying harder,” highlighting how people often fail to recognize invisible disabilities.
• [17:14] Simon: Recounts being questioned for using accessible transport at festivals, while Jordan describes an incident at Heathrow involving disbelief when using the disabled check-in lane.

  “If I needed a wheelchair, I’d say I need a wheelchair.” (Jordan, [18:48])

6. The Importance of Representation & Community Response

• [19:16] Discussion about symbols (like the wheelchair icon), the narrow societal “look” of disability, and policing who ‘counts’ as disabled.
• [20:05] Simon: Shares a story about public shaming of someone for not ‘looking’ disabled, while Jordan references a comedic movie scene underscoring this issue.

  “If you don’t know, you don’t know. So, like, mind your business.” (Jordan, [20:26])

7. Wider Social Commentary

• [21:35] [22:19] Both hosts joke about the frustrated logic of disability spaces and the sometimes misplaced but relatable sense of justice in trying to police them (“the justice sensitivity can get the better of us”).

8. Positive Representation and Neurodivergent Pride

• [08:09] Jordan:

  “That is my wish. That everybody feels completely free to be as neurodivergent in public as they possibly can be. Which is why we…should have neurodivergent pride. Neurodivergent celebration.”

• [23:12] Jordan: Ends with a positive call to action, expressing a desire to speak to those in the exhibition and connect with this courageous community.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On disclosure and infantilization:

  “Oh, so well done. And I was like, right, this is my wife and two children. I’m not like an infant.” (Jordan, [10:39])

• On not ‘looking’ disabled:

  “Why do I need to meet your standards or what your idea of autism is for me to be accepted as being autistic when I’m just…I’m just autistic.” (Jordan, [16:53])

• On stereotypes and everyday ableism:

  “One of the two is going to start…People are fascinated by both of those things.” (Jordan, [13:04], referring to disclosure)

• On positive representation:

  “These people sound amazing, courageous and totally autistic…is the biggest compliment I can pay.” (Jordan, [23:44])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [04:22]: BBC exhibition “But You Don’t Look Autistic” discussed
• [05:23]–[06:51]: The meaning behind the phrase and how it’s used, exhibition’s impact
• [09:01]–[09:47]: 15-year-old Liam’s perspective and the condescension of others
• [11:11]–[12:21]: Organizer Jade’s experiences with disbelief and stereotyping
• [13:15]–[15:05]: The double standard of visible/invisible disabilities, stereotypes discussed
• [16:18]–[18:48]: Microaggressions, festival/airport stories, and policing disability
• [19:16]–[20:26]: Public perception and the problem with single-idea disability symbols
• [23:12]–[23:47]: Call for more representation and reaching out to the exhibition’s participants

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Episode Tone & Style

Conversational, candid, and humorous, with honest sharing of frustrating and absurd moments that neurodivergent people experience daily. Both hosts blend light-hearted banter with passionate advocacy for understanding, acceptance, and celebrating neurodivergent pride.

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Final Thoughts

Jordan and Simon deliver a personal, insightful, and at times, humorous take on why there’s no single “look” to autism or other forms of neurodivergence. By spotlighting the South Wales photography exhibition and their own experiences, they highlight the importance of positive representation, pride, and the urgent need to move from awareness to acceptance and celebration. Listeners are left with encouragement, validation, and a gentle challenge to rethink what they think they know about neurodiversity.

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If you connected with the episode or know someone featured in the exhibition, the hosts would love to hear from you!

Transcript

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[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

Yeah, yeah.

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Don't look at the news, everybody. It's messed up. So we're gonna bring you some nice news today.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

I don't like the news.

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I. Yes. What a. What a. What a time we live in. My God. Yeah. I've not enjoyed looking at the news.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

I'm just gonna watch cartoons and not look at YouTube ever again. I don't want to know what's going on.

[Podcast Narrator]

Yeah, I was scrolling through Instagram this morning and I was just like, death and destruction. Horrible things. Horrible things. Horrible things. Oh, there's a new album about horrible things. Horrible things.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

Yeah, that's kind of how I feel. I'm just like, oh, just. I'm just gonna play video games and watch cartoons because despite the fact that I. I am feeling better after my accident, after my injury, that's getting better. But unfortunately, because I had to have Tramadol, I am now having opioid withdrawal, so that really sucks. I'm laying on the settee in my Oodie and just. It's in South Park. Oody.

[Podcast Narrator]

It's very cool. I also have a special interest Oodie to my left. I've got my wrestling one over there because it's getting a bit chilly. I don't know if you're in the uk, but I've had a. It's a chilly old time now. The weather's changing, the light's dimming, the leaves are getting crisp.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

So now I'm in recovery, so I'm. I've been through the wars and yeah, here I am bringing our fans the news. You better appreciate it.

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You're all welcome. Well, should we tell them the news? What's, What's. What's happening in. In the spicy news? In the.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

I was looking through the autism news around the world and I found this, which was kind of. Of picked my interest because obviously I am a photographer and it's from the BBC and there's an article about changing attitudes to autism through photography. So I was like, oh, that'll work.

[Podcast Narrator]

Oh, I think. I think I know anything about that. Little something. Anything. It's kind of your. Your thing, isn't it?

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

So this was 24th of August, it's relatively hot off the press, and it's basically an article about a group of autistic children and young people from South Wales, which is where I'm going to go and live. So super interested in this article. Have created a photography exhibition to try and change negative attitudes towards autism. So it's called but you don't look.

[Podcast Narrator]

Autistic, which I think is a brilliant name.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

Yes. I've done many, many posts showing my family and me photographs, talking about the. The fact that people will literally say you don't look autistic. And it's. It's a very common thing and it always gets a lot of traction when I do a post like that because it. It's such a weird thing for someone to say, but the weirdest thing is that anyone who says it is trying to be nice, but he's just sounding like an.

[Podcast Narrator]

Yes, because you're patronizing.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

You're diminishing my entire experience of existence.

[Podcast Narrator]

The site, it has exactly the same energy as people that go, oh, it feels like a Tuesday. What the hell does Tuesday feel like?

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

Well, Tuesday feels like a Wednesday, but the day before, my friend.

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Of course, now you just got to.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

Figure out what Wednesday feels like, and then you'll know what Tuesday feels like.

[Podcast Narrator]

The only thing that I. The only reason that I know a Thursday is a Thursday and a Friday is a Friday is because we have these episodes now. I know Mondays exist because of Mindful Mondays, so we just need to start adding more podcast episodes and I'll know what the days of the week feel like. But, yes, good to know. But now I think this is a. A fabulous sort of little, little exhibition. I wish I could have seen it, but Jade west from Rewild Play, a Newport charity, said neurodivergent children were bombarded with messages of can't. But the exhibition was trying to change that mindset.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

I was gonna say the. The exhibition is literally portraits of these neurodivergent adults and children to show obviously how anyone can be autistic, no matter what they look like. So you can't look autistic. You can just look like you.

[Podcast Narrator]

Yeah, absolutely. And I'm just actually scrolling through, and there's one particular photo here of a gentleman called Nick Hauler, who is holding up the most fabulous rubber duck. I love his purple beard and an amazing jumper. I love his purple beard.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

I want to be friends with him.

[Podcast Narrator]

Yeah, he seems very cool. So he's apparently a counselor at Blair. I'm sorry, any Welsh listeners. I'm going to butcher this Blaineven on Torfane Council. If I got that right, Buy me a Coke. But you know what's funny, right, is I would. I would look at this picture and I wouldn't go, oh, Nick with his purple beard and jumper and rubber duck is autistic. I would just look at him and go, he seems like a really fun guy.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

Is it terrible that I would. I be like, that guy is definitely autistic, which. But in my mind, it's like a positive thing. I'm like, only an autistic person would be that cool.

[Podcast Narrator]

Yeah, no, he is.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

He's a vibe like that that is exactly the sort of. Like, that. That's the level of self acceptance and unmasking that, That I wish everybody could be. That I wish this podcast could get everybody to be like, I'm gonna be as unapologetically me as humanly possible. That, that is my. That is my wish. That everybody feels completely free to be as neurodivergent in public as they possibly can be. Which is why we, instead of having neurodivergent awareness, we should have neurodivergent pride. Neurodivergent celebration.

[Podcast Narrator]

I want a pride.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

According to the article, 15 year old Liam felt pride that his portrait featured in the exhibition and said he wanted to take part in response to other people's reaction when he told them he was autistic. A lot of the time they just speak to you as if you're not as smart as them or you just can't do the things they do, which. Can I just say, Liam, if you ever listen, that is, that is just. That is so spot on. Like, because that's literally. It's so crazy. I. I can be talking to someone and having a normal adult conversation. I don't know what that means, but like an adult conversation. So we're on the same. Yes, we're on the same level.

[Podcast Narrator]

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[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

No, no, not even that. Just the way that someone's talking to you. They're talking to you as if they're all. They're talking to us.

[Podcast Narrator]

Yeah.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

And then you go, oh, yeah, I'm autistic. And all of a sudden they go, really? Oh, well, good for you. All of a sudden they disinfelize you. And. And it's just like immediately.

[Podcast Narrator]

Yeah. And he says that in the quote as well. He goes, normally it's like, oh, that's sad. And it's condescending. And Liam, you are absolutely correct. It is. I have worked with people for years and years who know me, and then when I told them I got diagnosed with autism, it's like they suddenly just like put their hands on their knees and when. Oh.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

Good for you.

[Podcast Narrator]

Didn't you do?

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

Well, someone said that on my first photography exhibition, they sort of walked in, they went, did you take all of these pictures?

[Podcast Narrator]

Then they're out, actually.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

Oh, God. Oh, so well done. And I was like, right, this is my wife and two children. I'm not like an infant.

[Podcast Narrator]

Yeah. I remember somebody speaking to me when he told somebody that he had a kid and they were like, oh, I didn't know that autistic people had children. How wonderful. I was like, well, how the hell.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

Do you think we got here? Nigel? Nigel was the female Karen, if anyone's wondering. Because I decided that yes, so, so.

[Podcast Narrator]

This sort of initial idea for this exhibition stemmed from a conversation from Jade, the organizer who she had with her daughter that made her recognize the need for positive representation. Jade was diagnosed with ADHD at the age of 42 and is on the waiting for an autism diagnosis as so many of us are. Unfortunately, the self described chatty 45 year old said stereotypes meant people did not understand her diagnosis, telling her, you can't be autistic. The mother of two photograph also featured in the exhibition aimed at tackling misconceptions. And I still get that. You know, even though I advocate, I do this podcast, I work on another neurodivergent affirming podcast professionally, I still get people say to me, oh, but you can't be autistic because you have a mortgage and you can drive a car and you remember to get your hair cut this month. Like it literally breaks down sometimes to some things like that. And it actually stops me wanting to engage with people at all because I'm just like, there's no point in me even having a conversation with you if every single thing you're going to ask me is going to be condescending as hell.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

Oh, I see. I, I, I love the challenge. I look forward to the challenge. It's, it's kind of why, like I would just, I would happily tell everybody, yeah, I'm autistic, but I will equally happily just tell randomly people. I'm like, yeah, I'm an atheist because.

[Podcast Narrator]

I just dropped the grenade in the conversation.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

I just, I just want that, I want that challenge. And it's not because like I want, I want an argument or it's just that I enjoy telling people who I am, I enjoy talking to people. And I always find that that's probably the two biggest conversation starters is I'm autistic or I'm an atheist.

[Podcast Narrator]

One of the two is going to start.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

People are fascinated by both of those things. But if I again with this whole ad, adhd, autism thing, if I tell my adhd, they go, oh, I can see that.

[Podcast Narrator]

Yeah.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

Well, apart apart from the fact that it's glaringly obvious, most people are just like, oh, that just means you're really excited all the time. And I'm like, yes, yeah, you are right, that's what that means. But yeah, I think it's because like again, with adhd, it's kind of like There isn't. No one would say you don't look adhd. Like, no one would say you don't look dyslexic, but for some reason people say you don't look autistic. And it's like, well, does that mean being autistic is, is considered, like, more disabled? That it's so, it's so disabling, it clearly has to have a look? Yeah, yeah. And it's like, no, that if you're saying that I don't look disabled, if that's what you're saying, I'd love them to come and visit me now because I can barely walk. So I'm definitely, I'm definitely looking disabled with my walking sticks everywhere my roll later. So maybe that's what I need. I need, I need to look more disabled to be taken seriously.

[Podcast Narrator]

But the thing is, though, is if you were to turn around to somebody and you were walking with sticks like that and you were like, oh, the reason as to why this is happening is because of EDS and, you know, just come, you know, the, the other side of being neurodivergent, people would go, huh. But if you were to be like, oh, I. I slipped over on a wet floor. Just go, oh, as you were, sir. Like, it doesn't ever seem to, like, open a conversation.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

But what's really interesting is if, if you say, oh, I fell over and I've hurt myself, they, they, they don't go, oh, that means you're disabled. They go, oh, that, that means you're injured. Yeah, I'm injured, which means I'm temporarily disabled.

[Podcast Narrator]

Time.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

Yeah, I'm still disabled, though, even if it is part time.

[Podcast Narrator]

Yeah. You know, there's some of these quotes that sort of go on in here, so sort of reflects my own experience. MacKenzie is quoted in this article. People seem to think that the only form of autism is the kind of one where you're struggling with life. It's really annoying because people that are autistic can do things, and a lot of people who make really good things are autistic. And that is so, so true. I do wonder, actually, whether we. You were to put these pictures, you know, sort of in public. Imagine you had them like in a row of bush, but stops, bush stops, bus stops in a town. And at no point did you put under the, you know, the tagline, these people are all autistic. You would just look at them and assume they're just people. And yet as soon as you would put the autistic tagline on there, that's when people would stop and rather than go, oh, how interesting that these people are autistic. This is questioning my observation. People just have the cognitive dissonance, top down processing of going, no, they aren't. Because obviously they aren't. Yeah.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

I mean I've, I've been accused of not being autistic, faking my autism. Yeah, it's. But then I just go, well that's, that, that's out of my circular control.

[Podcast Narrator]

So I once got told, you're not autistic if you just consider trying harder was one that I got before, which.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

Was, I mean, okay, so I was, I was, I was tired and annoyed at you that day.

[Podcast Narrator]

If only, if only, if only it.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

Was that simple to stop faking being autistic. I'm just, I'm so sick of it. You know that I'm the only autistic person I know. Yes, I'm the one. Like I'm the neo of autism.

[Podcast Narrator]

I have been chosen. It is I just going around this exhibition point of the pictures going, no, it's me. Putting your own up in their place.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

None of it. No, I just, it's like, what, what do you want from me? Like, what do you, what, why do I need to meet your standards or what? Your idea of autism is for me to be accepted as being autistic when I'm, when I'm just, I'm just autistic.

[Podcast Narrator]

Oh, did I not tell you about the thing that happened to me at the Leeds Festival? I don't know if I mentioned this on the show. They had like little golf carts that would take you to and from the camps to like the main bit where all the bands and stuff are on and at night it's like a fairground and stuff. And my crew all gathered in this queue and the actual manager of the disability camp came up to us and was like, you do know that this is for people that need it, right?

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

Oh, wow.

[Podcast Narrator]

And I won't tell you the dressing down that I gave them, but I certainly gave them one.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

Wow. Like my experience in, in Heathrow that went viral and then I ended up getting an apology from, from British Airways because I was. Sylvie and I were going to the disability queue. You know, when you. Well, I am very not with it. When you, when, when you got to put your bags in, would you go checking in? Checking in the. Yeah, the disabled checking in queue. And as we were walking through this man goes, oi, what are you doing? I was like, what? So I just ignored him and just carried on going and he ran over to us like, where are you going? Where are you going? Why are you going over there? Because I'm disabled. He's like, oh, do you need a wheelchair? No, I said I'm disabled. I didn't say I need a wheelchair. If I needed a wheelchair, I'd say I need a wheelchair.

[Podcast Narrator]

Good day.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

And he's like, right, so why, why, why do you need this if you don't need a wheelchair? I'm like, the, the whole thing, it's, it's why it really annoys me and I think that something needs to change about this. Is that disabled spaces or like parking spaces or just a disabled badge? Why, why is it, why is it a person in a wheelchair?

[Podcast Narrator]

Because to the owlistics in the society, they go, oh, that's what a disabled person is. Because you don't have to explain.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

That's one. One type of disabled. It's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy that if, if you don't match the person in the picture, Wombat will immediately just go, oh, you dark match person in picture, therefore you don't belong.

[Podcast Narrator]

Oh, I saw, I literally saw an article of this online the other day where there was a guy who was getting a load of hate and somebody had like, egged. He had a Lamborghini, right? And somebody had egged his car because he parked it in a disability space. And then he came out with his crutches because he has cerebral palsy. And he was like, oh, that reminds.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

Me of the scene in Me, Myself and Irene when the kid pulls up with Jim Carrey. The kid pulls up to the, like, 711 shop and he parks in the disabled bay, gets out and goes in. And then the Jim Carrey character.

[Podcast Narrator]

Yeah, he's like, basically changes over.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

He's like, oh, and then he starts smashing the crap out of the car. And then the kid is like, helping this elderly disabled man out to his car and he's like, what have you done to my car? And obviously the kid was just there to pick him up. Yeah. And it's like, well, but how did you know that kid wasn't disabled? Yeah, like, you have. You just. You just don't know. So, like, mind your business. If you're not a policeman or a traffic warden or a security officer, mind your business. Because if you don't know, you don't know. And of course there's assholes that are going to park in disabled bays that don't need them, but that's not your job. And I know that the justice sensitivity can get the Better of us, believe me. When I was in my 20s, I was. I was a Nigel a lot, especially with parent and baby bait, because they're parking them and then just some guy would get out and I'd be like.

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[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

He's like. And he's like, well, I don't want anyone to scratch my car. Right. But that isn't. They're not. The don't want someone to scratch their brand new Audi bays, their parent and child bays, and they're deliberately wider so you can get your child out of the castle.

[Podcast Narrator]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

And that. That's why they exist. So, like, also like people who use them who have kids who are like 15 and they're like, I'm a parent. This is my child. That's like people who applied to Disneyland.

[Podcast Narrator]

You'Re like, this is my two year old. And he's like, he has a beard, sir. He's very mature for his age.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Narrator]

But no, I'm glad that things like this are appearing and I wish I'd been able to have gone to see it. You know, hopefully more things appear like this up. Up my way, because it's great that it raises awareness and obviously it gives, you know, a face to an idea and a name and a culture. So I hope to see more of it. And you're absolutely right. I'm sure you listening here have experienced something like this where it feels condescending. Somebody puts their hand on top of your head and pats you and goes, oh, bless you. So you're not alone with that. I experience it even to this day, and I can still advocate well and communicate well, and I still experience it. So at least some relatively good news in the Hot Topic world today, the fun neurospicy world. Back to the regular programming of NAF News, perhaps next week. Who knows?

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

Yeah. The only way I was going to get through this is that it had to be positive because I had no spoons. I have no spoons. So I will finish by saying if anybody knows anybody who was in this exhibit, I'd love to hear from them and possibly get them on the podcast at some point because, yeah, these. These people sound amazing, courageous and totally autistic.

[Podcast Narrator]

Yeah. And they sound awesome.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

Is. Is the biggest compliment I can pay.

[Podcast Narrator]

Someone, especially Council and Nick. I want to be friends. So get in touch, Nick, please, because I love your beard and I need to know where you got your jumper from, because your jumper game is gonna find you. That's a great way to do it. It's like make autistics put names to your faces and then we'll find you. What a great way to end this.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

I want to stroke your beard.

[Podcast Narrator]

Okay. And on that note, ladies and gentlemen, I think we'll wrap it up there. Be kind to yourselves out there. Be safe, be fun. Have a lot of love for yourself. Take care nightly.

[Neurodivergent Experience Host 1]

Bye.

[Podcast Narrator]

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