Hot Topic: Trump Attacks Gavin Newsom’s Dyslexia

Summary

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The Neurodivergent Experience

Hot Topic: Trump Attacks Gavin Newsom’s Dyslexia

Hosts: Jordan James & Simon Scott
Date: March 27, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Neurodivergent Experience confronts recent comments by President Donald Trump, who attacked California Governor Gavin Newsom over his dyslexia. Jordan and Simon, both openly dyslexic, respond sharply to the ableism and stigma in political discourse. The conversation expands to the societal perception of learning disabilities, the harm of ableist rhetoric, and the resilience and achievements of neurodivergent individuals. The tone throughout is candid, passionate, and laced with both urgency and dark humor.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Trump’s Comments and Ableism in Public Discourse

• President Trump criticized Gavin Newsom’s dyslexia, stating that people with learning disabilities shouldn’t be President (04:57).
• Trump reportedly said:

  “Honestly, I’m all for people with learning disabilities, but not for my president. … I think a president should not have learning disabilities. I know it’s highly controversial to say such a horrible thing.” (04:57)

• Trump also referred to Newsom as "low IQ" and mocked him with the nickname "Gavin News Scum.”
• The hosts highlight the hypocrisy and projection in Trump’s insults, noting Trump’s habit of calling others "low IQ" despite having little basis for such attacks (03:22).

Notable Reactions

• Hannah:

  “No shit, everybody trump being highly offensive. This is totally out of character from probably one of the worst human beings on this planet.” (02:29)

• Simon (host):

  “I'm also dyslexic and yeah, it's not very nice, is it?” (03:13)

2. The Harm of Stigma and Stereotypes

• Both hosts have dyslexia and immediately take the comments personally, using lived-experience to debunk the conflation of learning differences with intelligence.
• Hannah shares her Mensa-level IQ as a contrast to stereotypes:

  “I’m dyslexic and I have an IQ of 162. And I'm absolutely guaranteeing you that is more than Trump's double digit iq.” (03:22)

• The discussion debunks traditional IQ debates, noting multiple forms of intelligence beyond outdated tests (04:06).
• The hosts scrutinize the impact on young neurodivergent people, especially those in MAGA-supporting families who might internalize damaging messages (16:33–17:30).

3. Patterns of Ableism in Trump’s History

• The episode references Trump’s long history of derogatory remarks about disabled people, including the infamous 2015 incident mocking reporter Serge Kovaleski (09:05).
• The hosts read a quote from journalist Carla Marinucci:

  “Regarding millions of Americans with disabilities, Trump once again showed his profound ignorance.” (07:17)

• Eric Garcia, a respected autistic commentator, is cited for linking Trump’s remarks to broader ableism in US society (09:05).

4. Religion, Morality and Hypocrisy in Politics

• The pair sharply critiques the religious and moral posturing of Trump-supporting communities, referencing the disconnect between their stated values and the actual rhetoric used (10:02–11:19).
  • Hannah:

    “Like literally read the Bible, you MAGA morons. Read your book. Because I've read your Bible three times. That's why I'm an atheist.” (10:55)

5. Media, Culture, and Dystopian Parallels

• The conversation draws parallels between current US discourse and dystopian media, particularly referencing “The Man in the High Castle” and “Wolfenstein.” (17:30–18:07)
  • Example: The story of a fictional Hitler Youth who takes his own life after learning he is dyslexic, paralleling the real-world harm of stigma (18:05).

6. Celebrating Neurodivergent Success Stories

• The episode pivots from critique to celebration, listing accomplished and well-known dyslexic and neurodivergent people (19:46–21:50):
  • Richard Branson, Keira Knightley, Whoopi Goldberg, possibly Leonardo da Vinci and Picasso, Steve Jobs, Serena Williams, Steven Spielberg, Tom Cruise, Muhammad Ali, Magic Johnson, George W. Bush, Lewis Hamilton, Thomas Edison, John Lennon, Keanu Reeves (19:46–21:46).
• Quote:

  “If you’re out there, no, dyslexia doesn’t make you dumb. Saying dyslexia makes you dumb makes you dumb.” (22:05 – Hannah Berner)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the hypocrisy of ableist attacks:

  “Trump is, is very scared.” (06:34 – Hannah Berner)

• On the bigger societal impact:

  “And the worst thing about him saying this is not the fact that he's insulting Gavin Newsom. It's the fact that he's insulting everyone who's dyslexic and telling young dyslexic children…if you are dyslexic…you shouldn't be president.” (16:33)

• On resilience:

  “If you are dyslexic, you can still do anything. And I think that that is the saddest thing about this.” (16:33)

• On political cycles:

  “I can't wait until there's the hot topic that dyslexic Gavin Newsom is the new President of the United States. That's a hot topic that I want to be doing.” (23:27)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Time | Segment/Topic | |------------|----------------------------------------------------| | 02:10 | Introduction to the Trump-Newsom dyslexia comments | | 03:22 | IQ stereotypes & hosts' personal experiences | | 04:57 | Trump's direct quotes and reporting from The Independent | | 09:05 | Patterns of ableism in Trump’s history | | 10:02 | Religious hypocrisy and MAGA morality | | 13:03 | Return from ad break – broader reflections on ableism | | 16:33 | The impact of Trump’s rhetoric on children | | 17:30 | Dystopian comparisons (“Man in the High Castle”) | | 18:42 | National Center for Learning Disabilities statement| | 19:46 | Celebrating famous dyslexic people | | 22:05 | Affirmation: “Dyslexia doesn’t make you dumb…” | | 23:27 | Looking ahead: hope for Newsom’s presidency |

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Tone, Takeaways, and Final Thoughts

• Tone: Honest, irreverent, passionate; fluctuates between outrage, dark humor, and hope.
• Themes:
  • The persistence of ableism in politics is deeply harmful to neurodivergent individuals.
  • Intelligence and learning differences are not binary.
  • There is a need for neurodivergent-positive representation and leadership.
  • The hosts use humor and real-life examples to emphasize hope and community.

Final Message:

• If you are dyslexic (or otherwise neurodivergent), these attacks do not define your capabilities. Success, intelligence, and leadership are not limited by learning differences.
• Listener engagement is encouraged, with the hosts expressing both fatigue at recurring ableist discourse and an earnest hope for positive change in future news cycles.

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Transcript

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[Hannah Berner]

Topic. Hello and welcome to the Neuro Spicy

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News Hot Topic for super hot super spicy news on a Friday. Your hot top President of the United States has repeatedly attacked Gavin Newsom over his dyslexia, a tactic critics of the president said was highly offensive.

[Hannah Berner]

No shit, everybody trump being highly offensive. This is totally out of character from probably one of the worst human beings on this planet.

[Podcast Host (Neurodivergent Experience)]

Hey, let's give him a chance, guys. It's not like he's ever done it before.

[Hannah Berner]

Yes, I mean, this is. This is the man that, you know, happily bombs people just as a deflection of the Epstein files. But yeah, let's talk about this because this is neurodivergent news and dyslexia I'm dyslexic, so I'm, I'm taking Umbridge to

[Podcast Host (Neurodivergent Experience)]

this, as you should. I'm also dyslexic and yeah, it's not very nice, is it?

[Hannah Berner]

I'm dyslexic and I have an IQ of 162. And I'm absolutely guaranteeing you that is more than Trump's double digit iq. And in the horrific things that he says about Gavin Newsom, and he does this a lot, he calls people low IQ people. Considering the average IQ in America, in the United States is actually in double digits. It's, it's actually, it's actually below 100.

[Podcast Host (Neurodivergent Experience)]

It's getting in the room temperature sort of numbers that's worrying, isn't it?

[Paige Desorbo]

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[Hannah Berner]

And whether you believe in IQ or not, whether you go with iq, IQ is, is not a great standard. It's pretty, it's pretty old fashioned.

[Podcast Host (Neurodivergent Experience)]

Yeah.

[Hannah Berner]

Different types of IQ now. It's not just intellectual iq, it's emotional iq. And you know, I talk, the people talk about like sports iq, you know, in other words, you know, how, how they play the game and how they read the game and stuff like that. So there's lots of different IQs. But going back to the Mensa rated IQ, when I took a Mensa test for Mensa, because my brother was in Mensa and I took an IQ test and I had an IQ of 162, which is roughly the same as Einstein. So, yeah, I, I haven't used it for much other than just trying to get. But that is my iq. And I also have dyslexia. And it, obviously it's an insane statement, but it's, it's nothing new. So do you want, do you want to go into some more details? Because I don't think I can.

[Podcast Host (Neurodivergent Experience)]

Yeah. So this is a British publication from the Independent. We often refer to the Independent and quote. President Donald Trump is once again attacking Californian Governor Gavin Newsom over his well documented struggle with dyslexia, claiming the condition should bar the Democrat from ever becoming president. Honestly, this is Trump, by the way. I've not do the voice. Honestly, I'm all for people with learning disabilities, but not for my president. Trump said on Monday when speaking with reporters at the White House. I think a president should not have learning disabilities. I know it's highly controversial to say such a horrible thing. Trump added, claiming that it, when it came to the low IQ governor, whom he has dubbed Gavin News scum, that everything about him is dumb. During his insults, President Trump referred to Newsom as already being the President of the United States. A slip up. Newsom later mocked online. No, thank you. We believe in free elections.

[Hannah Berner]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Neurodivergent Experience)]

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[Hannah Berner]

Everyone listening. You have to watch the video. He literally calls Gavin Newsom the President of the United States while calling him a low IQ person and having learning disabilities. I've never heard the. I mean, hip, hip, hypocrisy, hip hop, hip hop, hypocrite, hip, hippie, hip, hip, hop, hip hop is definitely Trump's bag. It's. His mantra is just say shit because he's projecting his own insecurities.

[Podcast Host (Neurodivergent Experience)]

Oh, he must be very afraid of this. This. This guy.

[Hannah Berner]

Oh, yeah, no, Gavin Newsom is actually really, really cool. I don't know enough about him. I just know that the things I'. Him. So if there's people out there going, yeah, but what about that? What about that? I probably don't know about it, but he's definitely. I mean, if I stepped in my dog shit and scraped it on the President's chair, that would be better than the current president, but, yeah, so, you know, but Newsom is a very, very decent step up, and he's definitely a better candidate, but he. Yeah, you're absolutely right. Trump is, Is. Is very scared.

[Podcast Host (Neurodivergent Experience)]

Oh, do you want to read? Here we go. I'll read more into it. Critics of the President said Trump's remarks on Monday about Newsom are inappropriate and offensive, to which I agree, quote here, regarding millions of Americans with disabilities, Trump once again showed his profound ignorance. That comes from Californian journalist Carla Marinucci, who wrote that on Twitter. And typical of the White House at this moment in time, President Trump is right. Spokesperson Davis Engel said in a statement. Gavin Newscomb is the worst governor in America. He may also be the dumbest. Wow. What We've literally projecting again. Mental, isn't it? That's coming from the White House as well.

[Hannah Berner]

I know, but we are living in a world where the United States of America is now an actual joke. Like, like, they. They are. They are the. The worst country in the Western Hemisphere. They are certainly the, The. The crate. It's like a crazy soap opera, but it is. It is literally the. The lunatics have. Have taken over the asylum. Like, honestly, I'm. And, And, And. And I'm speechless.

[Podcast Host (Neurodivergent Experience)]

Yeah. This is literally. This is like such playground rules, isn't it? It's like, I know you are. I said you are, but what am I? So, apparently Trump has also said previously in the last few weeks at a rally in Kentucky it was feels weird when I say rally, it gives me brown shirt bikes.

[Hannah Berner]

Oh yeah.

[Podcast Host (Neurodivergent Experience)]

Trump said he admitted he has mental problems, that he's not a smart person, that he's unable to read a speech. Trump told supporters in Hebron. I don't want the President of the United States to have a cognitive deficiency. Newsom had a two word reply to that online, which was just too late. Fair play. This is so petty, isn't it? So this is something that I'm very pleased to read about in this document after these comments. Independent reporter Eric Garcia, who has written a fabulous book that I will link below, is an autistic and nationally recognized commentator on disability issues, pointed to the President's long history of derogatory disability related remarks, including an infamous 2015 incident where Trump mockingly imitated a disabled reporter with a congenital joint condition. Trump has said he wasn't mocking the reporter's disability, but rather that the journalist was flustered, blatant and disgusting. Ableism on the level of Trump mocking Serge Kovalansky, the New York Times reporter, and calling him the Minnesota governor Tim Waltz, the R word. Garcia wrote on Twitter. It is on. It is on the absolute same level.

[Hannah Berner]

Yeah, I mean this. I just don't get it. I don't get how anyone in the US with any sort of morality and they claim this religious morality. There's a lot of maga as well. They're like super, super religious and they claim this religious morality of like, oh, we're good people because we got Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is on our side.

[Podcast Host (Neurodivergent Experience)]

No, he wasn't white, right?

[Hannah Berner]

And if, if like religion's real, right? Let's just go. We go. I mean, I don't believe in it, but if it's real, right? And, and Jesus was a God or demigod or whatever, this is not. He would not be happy with this.

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Like, there's nothing about vibe with this.

[Hannah Berner]

Like literally read the Bible, you MAGA morons. Read. You read your book. Because I've read your Bible three times. That's why I'm an atheist. But that aside, I know what Jesus's morality was. I know that if you claim that your morality comes from the Bible, it's more likely from the Old Testament.

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I was about to say this is freaking Old Testament vibes.

[Hannah Berner]

This is old. So don't talk about Jesus Christ being your moral guide because if Jesus is with you, that's not Jesus. That's more like the devil, because this is the devil. Trump is the devil. And I've seen videos where people saying, oh, you know, Trump has God on his side. God sent like, literally this MAGA moron. Was this like, God sent Trump to save America. Oh, that's like genuine, genuine belief. It is scary. But let's have a break so I can calm down a bit and then we can talk about this a bit more.

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FDIC subject to credit approval. Welcome back to the Hot Topic. This is your neurodivergent experience news this week. Oh, we're here again, aren't we Here again. This is. Yeah, this is really, really baffling. And, and it does show a lot of the discourse of where disabled people are viewed within society in the United States. And I know some incredible people from the US who are, who are neurodivergent that are just awesome people and I feel so sorry for them that they have to live in this environment day in and day out. It must be exhausting.

[Hannah Berner]

Yeah, I mean, Newsom, obviously, he goes on the attack of Trump a lot. You know, at least someone's standing up to Trump because most people just keep sucking his gross, saggy ass. So in, in the article, it talks about how Newsom has been traveling around the country promoting a new memoir ahead of potential 2028 president run. And he slammed trunk for trunk. He slammed dump for feeding into maga. Manufactured outrage. Because that, that is the thing about Trump is he's not saying this to us. He's not saying this to anyone, you know, that matter. He's saying this to his audience, he's talking to his audience. He's feeding off the vibe of his MAGA supporters that got him where he was and will literally, who do literally worship him like a God, like It's a cult. Maga is 100 a cult. And some people realize they're in a cult and they get out of the cult. And I think that that is happening to a lot of people in the U.S. especially when, when their fuel goes up so much, their gas costs too much and their groceries cost too much. And Trump's saying, no, they don't. And they're can see with their own eyes that they are. But there are people that will literally just believe anything that he says. And the, the worst thing about him saying this is not the fact that he's insulting Gavin Newsome. It's the fact that he's insulting everyone who's dyslexic and telling young dyslexic children, MAGA and non maga children, that if you are dyslexic, if you have dyslexia, I don't think you should be president. Now, if you are a liberal, left wing, you know, decent human being, Democrat, whatever, and that's your kid, that kid is not going to give a shit what Trump said. In fact, he'd probably go out of his way to become president just to prove Trump wrong. But if you have right wing views and you support Trump and your kid is dyslexic, Trump just told you MAGA person that your child will never be supported by him to be president, despite the fact that he is supposed to be the President of the United States, that you will worship him, you will think he's amazing, yet he's, he's, he's the best president that's ever existed. And he just told you that you, if you're dyslexic or your child who's dyslexic should never be president because they're dyslexic, which is the opposite to what you're probably telling your kids or the teachers are telling your kids or what society is telling. If you're just like, you could do anything. And it's true, if you are dyslexic, you can still do anything. And I think that that is the, that is the saddest thing about this is because you've got all those young kids and it's their parents that might be MAGA and like, they can't help how dumb their parents are. And they, they might have dreams and aspirations and if the Maga lot who actually just whatever Trump says is, is the truth. Their rubbish excuses for for minds will pass down to their children.

[Podcast Host (Neurodivergent Experience)]

Yeah, this is the, this is the sad thing. And it reminds me of, I don't know if you ever watched, there was a show that was on Amazon Prime a few years ago called the man in the High Castle. Yeah, it's a great series. It's based off from Philip K. Dick's novel loosely and essentially takes a look at what the world might have looked like had Germany and Japan got hold of nuclear bombs first. And it's very dystopian. And America's run between Axis powers predominantly under a Nazi rule.

[Hannah Berner]

It's very similar to the game Wolfenstein.

[Podcast Host (Neurodivergent Experience)]

Yes, yeah, very, very similar to the game Wolfenstein, which is unreal game by the way. But there is a character in it who's played by Rufus Sewell who is essentially like a very, very high up Nazi. His son finds out he's dyslexic and that's what this is, that's what this has made me think of because that's what happens. This kid is a, is a Hitler youth. He's completely indoctrinated into the ss. He finds out that he's dyslexic and to not dishonor his family and the party and his leader, he, he takes his own life.

[Hannah Berner]

Yeah, literally.

[Podcast Host (Neurodivergent Experience)]

It's dystopia. Media is meant to warn us about what can happen in the future and people aren't listening. But I will just add before we finish here, there's a quote on the BBC that are reporting this from the national center for Learning Disabilities. They have criticized Trump's comments that he released earlier. The chief executive, Jackie Rodriguez, told the BBC that dyslexia does not impair a person's intelligence, judgment or ability to lead. In fact, they said people with learning difficulties and disabilities have risen to the upper echelon of every public office in the United States, including, including former presidents, past US Presidents, including George Washington, JFK and Woodrow Wilson, may have had dyslexia. According to some researchers, about 15% of the U.S. population is dyslexic, according to the U.S. department of Health and Human Services. Some estimate the figure may be as high as 20%. One in five Americans, I think it's higher, but could be dyslexic.

[Hannah Berner]

Yeah, I mean, just, just so we can have some, some positive closure. Let's talk about some of those amazing people who have actually done amazing things. Yeah. So I want to start off with the entrepreneur Richard Branson, who is very open about being dyslexic. And he's talked about how, you know, his neurodivergence has helped him become the very rich entrepreneur that he is. Actors such as Kieran Knightley, Whoopi Goldberg, artists. I mean, there's no confirmation on this, but, you know, it's, it's possible. Leonardo da Vinci, Pablo Picasso and Albert Einstein. You know, it's just, there's, there's a lot of research behind it that sort of. Same research, and we talked about it before, it's, it will show the, the behaviors and traits that are similar with dyslexia, but they will also show behaviors and traits that are very similar to modern day ADHD and autism because once again, people, same brain, different conditions.

[Podcast Host (Neurodivergent Experience)]

Yeah, it's. It's crazy, isn't it, how you look at some of the most celebrated Americans. Steve Jobs, Steven Serena Williams, Spielberg, Tom Cruise.

[Hannah Berner]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Neurodivergent Experience)]

You know, these are all people that are very open about being dyslexic. And yet I wonder what many of them have had to think about their president.

[Hannah Berner]

Muhammad Ali, Magic Johnson, even George W. Bush.

[Podcast Host (Neurodivergent Experience)]

That's so recent. He was, he was what, the last Republican president before Trump.

[Hannah Berner]

Yep. Lewis Hamilton,

[Podcast Host (Neurodivergent Experience)]

Thomas Edison, John Lennon, Keanu Reeves. Don't want to piss off John Wick.

[Hannah Berner]

I want to see John Wick do some John Wick shit.

[Podcast Host (Neurodivergent Experience)]

Yeah, Magic Johnson. These are all people that are celebrated as. Even though a few of these are Canadian, but they're all celebrated as the best that America has to offer on the world stage. It. It's such a mess. What a mess this is.

[Hannah Berner]

But, you know, we are talking about the, the worst president in the history of the United States. We are talking about one of the worst humans that I have ever come across that had any influence or power. And he has the, he has ultimate influence and power at this moment in time. And it's a very scary world we're living in and we'll just do our best to keep helping put out these ridiculous fires that this absolute maniac keeps, Keeps setting. So, yeah, if you're out there, no, dyslexia doesn't make you dumb. Saying dyslexia makes you dumb makes you dumb.

[Podcast Host (Neurodivergent Experience)]

That's very, very dumb. Well, I don't know about you, dude, but I am definitely out of spoons discussing this. If you have listened to this episode, this is the first that you've heard of this news story. I would love to know your opin opinions on it. Hit us up in the comments either on Jordan's page or in Spotify, where we have a lot of people's opinions and thoughts on all of our episodes posted there. It would be great for you, the listener, to get involved in that discussion. I'm so tired of doing these stories, dude. I'm so tired of getting to a hot topic. And we are. We're here again. Here we are again. I cannot wait until we have something else to discuss, my friend. It's getting a bit much.

[Hannah Berner]

I can't wait until there's the hot topic. That dyslexic Gavin Newsom is the new President of the United States. That's a hot topic that I want to be doing.

[Podcast Host (Neurodivergent Experience)]

Yeah, we'll look forward to that one, eh? Well, this has been your hot topic for this week. Thank you so much for tuning in to the neurodivergent Experience. Ashley will be with you on Monday with Mindful Mondays. I don't know about you, but I will definitely be needing that episode after this week. And we will be back on Thursday with your usual offering right here at the neurodivergent Experience. Take care of yourself, everyone. Be kind, be safe nightly.

[Hannah Berner]

Bye.

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Giggly Squad started on Summer House when

[Paige Desorbo]

we were giggling during an inappropriate time. But of course we can't be managed, so we decided to start this podcast to continue giggling. We will make fun of pop culture news. We're watching Fashion Trends pep talks where we give advice, mental health moments and games and guests. Listen to Giggly Squad on Acast or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Podcast Host (Neurodivergent Experience)]

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