Haunted Freddo ATX - Part III

Summary

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The Night Owl: True Ghost Stories

Episode 61 – Haunted Freddo ATX, Part III (June 30, 2025)

Overview

In this climactic third part of the Haunted Freddo ATX series, host Stephen Belyeu and the Night Owl Paranormal Research Society return for one last investigation at Freddo ATX, a historic Victorian-era home turned cafe in Austin, Texas, known for persistent paranormal activity. Building on revelations from earlier episodes—where psychics detected child spirits, a strong maternal presence, a second unidentified woman, a male entity (Walter), and the recurring name Mary—this episode is the most experimental to date. The team brings back all three psychic mediums, integrates advanced techniques (Estes and Ganzfeld experiments), seeks answers from the lingering spirits, and thoughtfully examines the family history behind the home.

The episode transitions between historical research, interviews, and extensive live-channeling sessions. The ultimate aim: to pierce the mysteries of Freddo ATX and give voice to the spirits—particularly Walter and Mary Tipps—while striving to understand how history and hauntings intertwine.

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Episode Structure & Key Segments

1. [00:00–09:13] – Introduction

• Stephen contextualizes the investigation, recaps previous findings, and outlines new goals and experimental methods (tri-psychic collaboration, updated equipment).
• He details the process of bringing psychics together, contrasts past isolation protocols, and previews a deeper historical dig into the Tipps family and the house.

2. [09:13–22:18] – Historical Deep Dive: The Life of Walter Tipps & the Home

• Stephen gives an exhaustive, carefully researched account of Walter Tipps’ life, family, career, and the home's migration throughout Austin’s history.
• Key facts:
  • Built in 1876 for Walter Tipps Sr., a German immigrant, Civil War veteran, merchant, banker, and state senator.
  • House hosted funerals and presidential visits, and witnessed several family tragedies—most notably the early death of an infant daughter (Clara), Walter Jr. (age 16), and Walter’s own passing at home.
  • The building has been relocated, repurposed, and restored multiple times, eventually becoming Freddo ATX cafe.

3. [13:59–20:51] – Guest Interview: Danielle "Paranormal Princess"

• Danielle shares impressions from her own investigation at Freddo ATX, conducted without historical context or prior knowledge.
• Notable insights:
  • Felt unusually comfortable upstairs, especially in the right/front room.
  • Esteemed method session produced names (“Alex”, “Sarah”, “Walter”), repeated themes of “dad” and “family,” and the numbers 4 and 6.
  • EMF activity matched reported hotspots; SLS camera detected possible movements.
  • Spirits seemed eager to talk about family, but became reticent or told them to "stop" when pressed.

“Right after I heard the name Walter come through the headset, I just sat there, stunned.” – Danielle, 18:05

Cross-validation: Danielle’s session echoed names and dynamics picked up by the Night Owl team—especially the children, the “dad” figure, and “Walter.”

4. [22:18–31:55] – Psychics’ Baseline Impressions & Historical Validations

• Each psychic is briefed to listen to part one, shifting focus toward new revelations.
• Jeffrey (Psychic Medium):
  • Visualizes children (possibly twins), maternal figure, and Walter very much “living in the house.”
  • Notes a gentle, non-angry energy, especially strong on the second floor.
  • Indicates the spirits seem “still just living in the house.” ([23:28])
• Kate (Psychic Medium):
  • Immediately recognizes “Mary” as the dominant female presence; feels her desire for recognition.
  • Identifies playful, familial dynamics among spirits—particularly children, but notes confusion about their actual historic identities.
  • Detects a more shadowy, unrelated male spirit lingering downstairs (possibly Edward, a coachman per newly found records).
  • Observes: “It feels like Walter especially is very particular… he'll slam drawers or things like that.” ([36:56])
• Meg (Psychic Medium):
  • Emphasizes a non-threatening environment; dynamic, but not dark.
  • Senses lost babies, women’s unspoken stories, and possible residual trauma from miscarriages (“It just sort of happened, and the women would deal with it… not discussed.” – [54:24])
  • Distinguishes between family spirits and those who may be transient or land-attached.

5. [62:25–84:27] – Experiment 1 & 2: Dual-Psychic Channeling Sessions (Estes + Ganzfeld)

Session 1: Kate (Estes) + Jeffrey (Ganzfeld)

• Findings:
  • Both independently describe children (“a little girl with braids… five years old”), a maternal figure, and Walter (“the guy with the mustache”).
  • Themes: crying, loss, trying to communicate (“It’s hard for me to communicate, but I am trying.” – Kate, [64:11]), confusion about timelines, music (“I hear music. Almost like singing.” – Jeffrey, [63:31]).
  • Family references (grandchild, sons, granddaughter), mention of specific names (“Mary,” “Walter,” “Ann”).

“Walter giggling... speak the truth.” – Kate, [65:11]
“He winked at me.” – Jeffrey, [70:10]

• Session ends with clear signs of agitation (“Get out”, “Frustration”), as well as consistent musical interruptions whenever deeper truths are approached.

Session 2: Meg (Estes) + Alexis (Ganzfeld)

• Findings:
  • Immediate feeling of overwhelming masculine energy; “too many men” in the room seems to impede contact (“It’s too many men, it’s too hard.” – Meg, [76:41]).
  • Classical music again appears as a distraction.
  • Alexis feels physically affected (“Pressure… Like on the body… being crushed” – [78:05]); mentions of “baby,” “accident,” “get up.”
  • Unclear, possibly land-tied or non-family female presence described as “oppressed,” resistant to speak, and feeling watched.

Reflections:

• Reactions indicate distinct, possibly overlapping, spirits exist on separate “timelines.”
• Spirits seem sensitive to group energy (especially males), suggesting the environment impacts communications significantly.

6. [87:19–95:23] – Experiment 3: Franklin (Skeptic Team Member) Solo Hybrid Session

• Findings:
  • Jumps at a spirit woman’s face, feels overwhelmed.
  • Encounters classical music manifestations, repeated mentions of “babies,” and strangely profane language not typical for an AM band scan.
  • Spirit shows personality (and some attitude) — believed to be Walter.
  • Suggests spirits may have hidden “something in the walls or floor,” which is always blocked out by classical music after being mentioned.

“Every time I would want to say like ‘floor, hardwood, wall, balcony,’ classical music would cut me off.” – Franklin, [95:07]

• Strong impression of multiple presences: “There was a younger man’s voice, an older man’s voice, and a woman’s voice.” – Franklin

7. [96:20–107:41] – Experiment 4: Kate (Ganzfeld) + Alexis (Estes)

• Findings:
  • The session captures back-and-forth banter, interruption, and crosstalk between a strong male (Walter) and the female spirit (Mary).
  • Unusually modern and profane language comes through (“You look stupid,” “shut up,” “stupid head”), all within the parameters of the AM scan.
  • Each side continually tries to “talk over” the other.
  • Kate and Alexis seem to debate—sometimes sound like an argumentative, yet familiar, couple.
  • There are direct, sometimes protective, instructions about the business (“Be respectful. No smoking, OK, near the pipe.” – [100:42]).
  • Kate/Mary: “We want our voices heard. Our stories to be told… we can’t be pushed out. This is our home too.” ([103:05–103:10])

Humor & Personality

• Walter’s personality surfaces: direct, occasionally rude but witty, seemingly enjoying the attention (“I love Walter so much… That was his personality. I wish I knew more about him.” – Stephen, [107:23])

8. [111:44–118:55] – Conclusions & Final Reflections

• Jeffrey emphasizes the importance of historic respect (“He comes from a different time. His name is Mr. Tipps… seeing him almost as a silent partner or mentor might change the energy.” – [112:20])
• Alexis: Proposes ceremonial intervention to “get them on the same page,” allowing spirits needing to cross over to do so, while integrating others as positive presences tied to the home and business.
• Stephen reflects: “We didn’t walk away with clear answers, but maybe that’s okay… Not every haunting is a mystery to solve; sometimes it’s just stories that need telling.” ([118:55])

Recognition of Stories Previously Unheard

• Mary’s narrative, largely lost to history, is finally honored:

  “I’d like to believe what my psychics felt and described: that Mary was a kind, nurturing soul… If she still lingers here, it’s not to haunt, but to remain with the people and place that shaped her most.” – Stephen, [118:55]

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Core Episode Themes & Insights

- Complex Haunting, Layered Presences

• Core family spirits: The evidence most clearly supports the continued presence of Walter (“Mr. Tipps”) and Mary Tipps.
• Children and others: Multiple child spirits are seen, but their ages and details don’t match the Tipps’ known children; psychics lean toward these being “passersby” or land-tied spirits.
• A younger, agitated woman may be connected to the land or previous house sites along the structure’s relocation path (per Alexis).
• Downstairs male presence (possibly “Edward”) not easily tied to the family—may be coachman Edward Erickson; remains much more shadowy.

- Spirit Personalities (Notable Quotes and Moments)

• Walter/Mr. Tipps:
  • A dominant, direct, sometimes playful energy, frustrated by lack of respect for history, yet interested in the home’s present.

  "He comes across as intelligent and direct. And that tone was beginning to surface again here." – Stephen [74:00]
  “Short, impatient replies, interruptions from classical music overriding other voices.” – Stephen [110:19]

• Mary Tipps:
  • Persistent desire to have her story told; nurturing, occasionally overwhelmed by Walter’s force of personality.

  “She was like, ‘I want my story told. They always just talk about him, but never about me.’” – Kate [36:56]

- Communication Barriers & Paranormal Phenomena

• Classical music interruptions:

  • Whenever deeper questions are asked (especially about the past, hidden things, or the more oppressed female spirit), classical music flares up, making it hard to get straight answers.

• Profanity and modern language:

  • The channeling sessions frequently produce profanity and pointed insults, despite AM bandwidth restrictions—suggesting a spirit deliberately aiming for impact.

  “I was just repeating it the way he was saying it… and you really were hearing that, like, clear.” – Alexis [109:01]

• Environmental & Group Energy:

  • Spirits appear more or less communicative depending on the psychic’s technique, group makeup, and gender balance ("too many men" theme).

• Residual vs. Intelligent Hauntings:

  • The psychics sense both: sometimes events seem replayed (children playing), other times there’s direct, live interaction (banter, jokes, requests).

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [13:59] Danielle’s investigation at Freddo ATX (EMF findings, names Alex & Sarah, Estes session results)
• [23:28] Jeffrey’s baseline impressions: twins, children, “still living in the house”
• [36:56] Kate validates “Mary”, describes the overlooked story of Walter’s wife, and highlights motherly energy
• [52:34] Meg discusses lost babies, untold women’s stories, and possible land-tied spirits
• [62:25] Dual-Psychic Experiments begin: session highlights include “Speak the truth,” “Walter giggling,” “I can almost hear a voice”
• [70:10] “He winked at me” – Jeffrey
• [76:41] “Too many men. It’s too hard.” – Meg, as female presence resists dialogue
• [87:27] Franklin’s solo session: “I saw this woman face just come right at me… yelling at me in my face.”
• [100:42] “Be respectful. No smoking, OK, near the pipe.” – Alexis (Estes)
• [107:16] Banter, insults, and humor peak: “You look stupid.” – Spirit via Alexis
• [112:20] Jeffrey’s recap: Reverence for Mr. Tipps, role of historical protocol in reducing friction
• [118:55] Stephen’s closing thoughts: Mary’s story honored; not all hauntings need solving, some need telling

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Summary Table of Recurring Entities

| Entity | Connection | Evidence/Phenomena | Psychic/Investigator Comments | |------------------|---------------------------|------------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------| | Walter Tipps | Patriarch, main owner | Classical music, “Mr. Tipps”, mustache, directness | “Treat him as a silent partner or mentor” | | Mary Tipps | Matriarch, wife | Wanting her story told, window, nurturing, name “Mary” | Felt overlooked, “always just talk about him”| | Child Spirits | None confirmed as Tipps’ | Young boy/girl, “Sarah,” play, window sightings | May be land-tied/passerby, timelines unclear | | “Edward” (Coachman?) | 1910 census, servant | Shadowy figure downstairs, technical malfunctions | May explain electrical phenomena | | Young woman | Unknown (land?) | Resists men, overlapped voices, anger, feeling watched| Possibly picked up during house relocation |

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Final Takeaways

• Fredo ATX’s haunting is multilayered—anchored by Walter and Mary Tipps, but also colored by transient or land-tied spirits, the effects of the home’s relocation, and a potent mix of residual and intelligent presences.
• Walter’s personality is undeniable: proud, protective, sometimes comical, seeking respect and acknowledgement.
• Mary steps out of the shadows at last, her longing to be remembered validated through psychic impressions and historical research.
• Communication blocks (music, banter, attitude) seem to reflect both the personalities of spirits and a possible friction between past and present—needing negotiation, respect for history, and inclusive narrative.
• Not every mystery is meant to be solved; sometimes, “the activity seems to carry one consistent thread – the desire to be seen, heard and remembered.” (Stephen [118:55])

“Thank you for letting us share your stories, Mr. And Mrs. Tipps. Thank you Walter and Mary.” – Stephen Belyeu ([closing])

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This summary provides an immersive, accurate retelling of episode 61, capturing every key discussion, major revelation, and memorable moment—as if you experienced this eerie, fascinating night at Freddo ATX firsthand.

Transcript

[Stephen Ballew]

The Night owl Podcast Episode 61 Haunted Fredo ATX Part 3 welcome to the Night Owl Podcast. I'm your host, Stephen Ballew, and this is a place for all you restless spirits out there to tune in and hear true tales of the paranormal. I hunt these stories down, capture them from the mouths of those who've experienced them, and share them with you right here. We're currently looking for more personal ghost stories or haunted locations, so if you or someone you know has one, please submit it to us. For consideration, go to thenight owlpodcast.com click on the submit your story page and let us hear your ghost story in tonight's episode. The Night Owl team returns once more to Fredo atx, the historic Victorian cafe where unexplained activity continues to raise questions. In our last visit, three psychic mediums were brought in separately, blind to the location and kept apart throughout the entire investigation. What they uncovered Children's spirits, multiple women, a male presence, and even the name Walter pointed to a complex spiritual presence lingering in the home. But we're not done yet. Now we return for a final night inside Fredo atx. This time with all three psychics together and with new tools and experimental methods in hand, we're pushing deeper to see if the spirits at this place are ready to reveal more. Stay tuned. Hey Night Owls. We've teamed up with Shady Rays and I'm absolutely loving these sunglasses. They're incredibly comfortable, polarized and have been my go to shades on all my ghost hunting adventures. If you're looking for a solid pair of shades that can keep up with you, go to shadyrays.com and use code NIGHT OWL for 35% off polarized sunglasses. Our Spirit Social is officially back and and this year it's happening on the most perfect night of all. Halloween. We're so excited to invite you to join us on October 31, 2025 for our once a year paranormal gathering that brings together the full Night Owl team, psychic mediums you've heard on the show, guest speakers from past episodes, and trusted friends and collaborators from our own paranormal network. It's an unforgettable evening of panels, experiments, storytelling and and community. This year's event features two full lineups of immersive panels including myth busting, deep dives, live psychic experiments, explorations of spiritual history, ancestral traditions and first hand accounts from the haunted locations featured on our show. Alongside those panels you'll find a massive spirit market with tarot astrology oddities and more. Flash tattoos, food trucks, a photo booth, an after hours mixer and a live taping of the Night Owl Podcast followed by a Q and A with the team. And we're returning to a venue that holds deep meaning for us as well, the Ballroom at Spider House, the very location featured on our first ever episode, now beautifully restored and reopened. Tickets are officially on sale now atthenight owlpodcast.com and there's a direct link in our Instagram bio as well. Patreon supporters get 24 hour early access and and last year our VIP passes sold out in just one minute, all to patrons. So if you want a better shot at VIP or all access passes this year, it's worth joining our Patreon community for as little as a dollar a month at patreon.com thenight owlpodcast we cannot wait to see all you restless spirits on Halloween night. This is our favorite gathering of the year and we're honored to share it with you. But before I let you go, are you a spooky vendor, artist or reader with wares to share? We're now accepting vendor applications for the Spirit Social 2025 vendor market. We're looking for Tarot astrology, psychic readers and practitioners, oddities, dealers, artists, crafters, jewelry makers, vintage sellers, haunted collectibles and more. If your work vibes with the weird, witchy or paranormal, we'd love to hear from you. Apply now at www.thenightowlpodcast.com or hit the direct link in our Instagram bio. In Part one of our investigation into Fredo atx, we explored the history of the property and collected first hand accounts from the cafe's staff, owners and even a local ghost tour group that frequently visits the location. The stories range from sightings of children in the upstairs windows to chilling voices and footsteps and an overwhelming presence felt on the first floor. Some speculated that the energy might be tied to the home's most notable former residential Mr. Walter tips, a wealthy merchant and state senator who lived and died in this house. Then in part two, we took things a step further, bringing in three psychic mediums, each kept completely in the dark about where they were going that night. They arrived separately, were given no information, and were not allowed to interact. Yet despite that, their readings aligned in uncanny ways. All three sensed the presence of children, a strong maternal energy, and a second unidentified woman. And in our final hybrid estus sessions of the night, two of the psychics working in isolation reported hearing the name Walter multiple times. Now in Part three, we return for one last night at Fredo atx. This time all three psychics will work together and we're armed with new techniques, including advanced estus and multi person Ganzfeld experiments. Our goal? To peel back the final layer of this mystery and see what the spirits might still be wanting to share with us. However, before returning to this historic home, I had needed a full history lesson to decipher fact from fiction about Walter Tips, his family and the home itself. So our team researcher, my father, had begun digging through records, old newspapers and ancestry sites to help do just that. From all we were able to uncover and piece together, I thought now would be the perfect time to lay out the most accurate factual timeline of Walter Tips, his family and the history of this beautiful home. So let's dive in. The house was built in 1876 for Mr. Walter E. Tipps Senior and was originally located just west of downtown Austin at what was then 307 W. Boisdark St. It was home to his family, which included his wife Johanna, Mary Jane Pierce and their children Julia, Walter Jr. Laura, Grace, Eugene and Mary Elizabeth. But before we jump ahead to his later story in this home, let's start at the very beginning of Walter's life. Walter Tipps Sr. Is considered a true rags to riches success story. He was born on July 23, 1841 in Eberfield, Germany. He and his entire family immigrated to Texas in 1849, arriving at Indianola on the Texas coast. The 1850 census indicates the family was living at Live Oak Hill Farm near Seguin, Texas, just a little over an hour drive away from Austin. That same year, Walter's father Johan Tibbs died, leaving his wife and six other children to survive on their own. Walter was sent to live with his sister Hermione and her husband Johann Stachley, who operated a store in New Braunfels, Texas. Walter is listed as a store clerk in the J. A. Statchely store in the 1860 census. On April 6, 1862, Walter enlisted in the Confederate army and served with the 6th Field Artillery Battery. After the Civil War, he returned to New Braunfels and opened a business with his partner Willem Clemens, selling goods under the name Tips and Clemens. In 1867, Walter became a naturalized US citizen and married Johanna Mary Jane Pierce. The couple had six children. In 1872, Walter's brother Edward, who owned a successful hardware store in Austin, passed away. Walter and his partners purchased the business and moved to Austin. Eventually, Walter bought out his partners and grew Tip's Hardware and into one of the city's most successful businesses. The Walter Tips Company later expanded into manufacturing steam powered machinery and housed a steel foundry that supplied structural steel and related products. Many manhole covers throughout Austin still bear the name Walter Tipps Foundry. This company operated in Austin from 1857 to 1985, a span of 127 years. In addition to his business success, Walters served as a Texas state senator and was a member of the State Penitentiary Commission and the Austin School Board, the Board of Public Works and the State Historical Commission. He was also a member of the Elks, the Masons, a volunteer fireman and one of the original organizers and directors of the Austin National Bank. Musically inclined, Walter played cello and served as a conductor at the Sangerund, founded in 1879 by German immigrants to sing, play and socialize. This list of accomplishments is all the more remarkable considering Walter immigrated at age 8, lost his father at age 9, began working for food and shelter shortly after, and found himself embroiled in the Civil war by age 21. And sadly, tragedy struck the Tips household in 1885 when Walter's mother, Caroline, died on June 27, and shortly afterward his son Walter Jr. Passed away on August 4. Walter Jr. Was only 16 years of age. Caroline's obituary in the Austin American Statesman notes that she died at 2:30am and the funeral would take place at Walter Tipps residence. She was listed in the 1885 Austin City Directory as residing in the same address. As well, Walter Jr. Was actually living on the Goethe Ranch in Cypress mill, Texas, about 40 miles west of Austin. At the time of his death. Carl Goethe owned the ranch and his son Adolf was married to Walter's daughter, Julia. Walter Jr. S obituary in the August 5, 1885 edition of the Statesman does not list a cause of death, however, but again, the funeral and viewing were held at his father's residence at 307 W. Boisdark St. At the time, American funerals often included a wake lasting several days, with the body displayed in the home's parlor for mourning and viewing before burial. One side note here. Although these two deaths in the family occurred during the time the Tips owned this house, there was one other significant loss in the Tips family, however. It was in 1870, before they built this home, that we're investigating now. Records show that Mr. And Mrs. Tips lost an infant only four weeks old named Clara. There was no other information regarding this loss or this child, but we were able to confirm Clara's death in 1870, which was six years prior to the Tips building this beautiful home. In 1896, Walter's widowed daughter Laura and her two children, Walter and Mary, moved into the home. The house was remodeled at the time to create an apartment for them. According to family members, the Tips home had the honor of hosting two US presidents as well. The first was President William McKinley, who is said to have visited Senator Tips at his home during a trip to Austin in 1901. The second was Theodore Roosevelt, who visited in 1905. Senator Tips was listed as a member of the host committee for both visits. As reported in the May 4, 1901 Austin Daily Statesman and the April 2, 1905 Austin American Statesman, Walter Tip's long and accomplished life came to an end on April 20, 1911. He died in his own home, apparently a heart attack while sitting at the breakfast table. But his family members continued to reside in the house until its sale in 1924 to the Royal Arch Masons, Lone Star chapter number six. In 1926, Theo P. Myer purchased the property. According to the application for the historical marker for the home, Meyer made modifications in 1936, dividing this house into apartments and office space. Although he did not initially live in the home, Thiel was residing there at the time of his death on October 1, 1966. Both his death certificate and the obituary list 315 W. 7th St. Which was formerly 307 W. Bois d' Arc St. As his residence. The property remained with his son Theo P. Meyer Jr. Until 1971, when it was sold to Robert Fowler. In 1973, Lamar Savings association acquired the new condemned property with plans to demolish it and build an office complex. Before it could happen, Franklin's Savings intervened, taking possession of the house. They relocated the large Victorian structure to its current site on South Congress Avenue and began remodeling and restoration. The home operated as a uniquely designed Wells Fargo branch from 1997 until its sale in 2016. Texas National Outfitters ran a custom boot store there in 2017, and in 2021 the the stunning Victorian house became the new home of Fredo atx. We had planned a return visit to Fredo ATX with my full team and the same three psychic mediums from our initial investigation. But before heading back, I did a bit of digging on my own and discovered that a paranormal content creator known as the Paranormal Princess had conducted an investigation at Fredo ATX some time ago. With cases like this, I always try to gather and document as much as I can about the reported activity at the location. Fortunately, Danielle, AKA the Paranormal Princess, was kind enough to speak with me and share everything that she could remember from her time at Fredo atx. Here's what she had to say hi.

[Danielle (Paranormal Princess)]

I am Danielle and I do paranormal content creation here mainly in Austin, Texas. But I do travel a lot to different places in the country just to find some spooky stories, ghosts, and to share that paranormal experiences with everyone else. I do have that social media page, the Paranormal Princess. And I have been doing that for about four years now. I had a friend here in Austin as well that told me about Fredo, ATX and all of the possible paranormal experiences that have been going on there. So we wanted to go do a quick investigation to check that out and see if there's anything we could find there as well. And when we first got there, we spoke to one of the owners and he kind of gave us some idea about some of the stuff that might be going on. But we did ask him to not tell us too much. That way nothing would interfere with the investigation that we were doing. We didn't want to know too much about the building itself. I still don't know too much history about is a hard location to try and find a lot of information on. It doesn't seem to be one of the more popular places in the area, which is what also makes it so intriguing. But when we first got there, we did take our EMF detector upstairs. There's one area in the top right bedroom that had a little bit of activity. We kept moving it to the same spot to see if it was just picking up anything else, but it would occasionally go off and go back on. So we thought that was really interesting. That seemed to be the room that we just kind of felt a little more to it. I personally felt really comfortable in there, which is a little strange. I feel like most people, of course, entering into a allegedly haunted location might have like a heaviness. I need to leave. But I did feel really comforted and welcomed in. I didn't know if that was just me. My friend with me also felt, I would say a little more on the comfortable side, especially in that upstairs right room, like right once you get up the stairs, kind of cozy. We walked around a little bit. It was really more that area that I kept really being pulled into. So we decided to do an Estes session in there. So I put my. My headphones on, couldn't hear anything my friend was saying. We did find a lot of really interesting things. And of course at that time, I have no idea any of the questions that he's asking. So watching it back later was. Was truly mind blowing. We did get a couple names that came through. The first name I heard almost right off the bat was Alex. And Then a little bit later, I did get a Sarah. And it seemed like they were really wanting to talk about families. It was very family sibling. We got dad that came through maybe five or six times. A lot of emphasis on dad celebrating. They really made it seem like a. They really want to talk about their family. We. We were wondering if maybe it was kids. I am a mom myself and did feel really comfortable in there. I don't know if the spirits wanted to talk to me a little bit more than my friend. That kind of gave off the vibe. So we were wondering maybe they are, you know, kids that are still in there that wanted to share some information with me. But they were also giving the numbers four and six. And we were asking a couple times if there is any significance in those numbers. We did get celebrating soon after that. Possible birthdays maybe, but a big emphasis on 4. We did get that a few times. And then the number six. So we don't know if that's maybe people in the house, people they might know family members. Again, those siblings kept being brought up pretty frequently. But a little bit later, we did actually get the name Walter. That came through, you know, came through my headset. I sat there for maybe 5, 10 seconds, just completely stunned before I could even repeat it out loud. Usually when doing this, you don't get something that clear that, you know, rarely happens to me. So that was absolutely amazing to experience. There were a couple times where it was, do, do you want us here? We did not seem like they did want us here. Based off some of those responses, we were told to stop. So we did end up stopping. We didn't want to push them any further, but that was some information that I wasn't able to find. A little bit afterwards. Possible family history, I'm not too sure, but it was really cool to experience. The esta session is really where we got everything. Walking around the spirit box, not much came through. We didn't really get much on a recorder. We did have our SLS camera that did pick up something in the hallway. It looks like some movement, maybe standing right next to me. No shadows looking back at the video to that. It was maybe picking up my shadow. We did go in the room upstairs on the left with the SLS camera as well later. And that did pick up something. It was near a chair. This location. It really does to me, some of the answers that we got during that Estes session makes me feel like something might be going on there. We didn't get, of course, anything too definitive, but of course this is the paranormal, that's the fun part about it, is that research and trying to connect all of those dots we left, I think with more questions than answers, especially with those names that we didn't recognize. Repeating the same things over and over. Those numbers, dad really did have me thinking that it could possibly be the children in there. It was a great experience. We would definitely want to go back again and see if there's anything we can get different, but also maybe experience kind of the same things and see maybe why are they trying to get those certain numbers, certain names, certain things to us, is there something they are trying to tell us? Anytime we would ask, you know, is there anything we can do? Do you need anything from us? I. We were getting no's back. We kind of were not able to find out more information of maybe why they feel as though they're still here or if there was anything we could do to assist them. But hopefully here, you know, with the Night Owl podcast, they can find something a little more to maybe latch onto that similar to what we experienced here. But the time at Fredo Apx was absolutely amazing.

[Stephen Ballew]

Danielle's experiences once again pointed to the presence of children. And during an Estes session she conducted herself, the name Walter came through. That caught my attention because both Meg and Kate had the exact same thing happen during our initial visit. Some of the other names and numbers Danielle received didn't hold much meaning to me at this time. And sadly, they just didn't align with any of the names I'd uncovered in my historical research on the property. Still, hearing Danielle's account was incredibly helpful as I prepared for our return to Fredo atx. If you're interested in following her paranormal adventures, you can find her on Instagram or TikTok under the handle the Paranormal Princess. On the late night of Sunday, May 18, the full team returned to Fredo ATX just as its doors were closing. Now, it's important to mention that after an initial visit to a location, the process of validation becomes trickier, especially when working with psychics. Because by this point, part one of our series, which included the staff interviews and accounts from haunted ATX guides, had already been released. And rather than hoping the psychics would avoid listening to it, I took the opposite approach. I told them, go ahead, listen, absorb what's been shared and come prepared. From here on out, this investigation wouldn't be about confirming old information, but about chasing something new, offering the spirits a chance to say what they needed to say before our time runs out. Here in the days leading up to Our return.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

I'd already mapped out a plan with.

[Stephen Ballew]

Franklin and Alexis to lean more heavily on experimental techniques, specifically the Gansfeld and Estes methods. And after hearing Daniel's account, it only confirmed that this was the right path forward. We had two hours, three if we were lucky. So we hit the ground running. To start, I wanted to check in with each psychic individually and get their fresh impressions before bringing them together as a group. First up was Jeffrey. I pulled him into a quiet room to hear what he was sensing. Just as a reminder, all three psychics were asked to listen to part one ahead of time so they'd at least be up to speed before tonight's investigation.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

It is May 18, and I'm here at Fredo again with Jeffrey and Meg and Kate and Alexis and Franklin and Mikey. So we're going to interview Jeffrey first. And this is just a baseline of like, now that you've had time away from the place you gathered all your notes, you did Estes here, and now you've also listened to the first episode and you also kind of, you know, have had time to think about it. Where are you at baseline wise from your visit here? What has kind of stuck with you and what are you kind of drawn to focus on today?

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

I've also driven by a couple of times and that's when I got some more impressions about the windows on the backside of the house, including the one that you can't get to because it's above the stairwell you'd have to be able to float to get to. And that's when I flashed on the more specific images of the children I saw. I think it was a boy and a girl, almost like twins. They were almost identical, little curly blonde, angelic looking children. That may be the way they're presenting. But I think, you know, this sketch that I did, I think before we ever came here or when we first got here, the little faces and hands in the window. But as far as the way I'm feeling tonight, it feels. It never felt noisy or angry. Everything's. It still feels like I was telling you earlier, earlier, almost like they're still just living in the house. You know, I didn't feel that erratic or really active energy that people have talked about from Walter. But I also feel like I'm really in tune with the second floor where things maybe are a little quieter. This feels more like the original house. Downstairs is so different. I didn't pick up much downstairs, but up here, the kids that I felt and seen and, you know, the woman and the Married couple and all that. It honestly, when I look back at what I saw and felt the last time we were here, and when I saw the little boy again in the hallway just now, it's almost like I just stepped back in time and they can't see me. I'm watching them more than them being active, haunting the house.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

So.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

It'S kind of, I don't want to say minimal, but it's very even. It's low key and nothing like overly dramatic. But it was really interesting to just, you know, when I see them pass by or like, boy playing with the wooden train in the hallway, those kinds of things. So this was a house that was lived in, you know, and it's like they're still living. Parts of them are still living in the house.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

And then. Can I ask you a question?

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

Yeah, please do.

[Stephen Ballew]

The thing I think that remains for.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Me is like, I agree, like, I think like, this was a very lived in home.

[Stephen Ballew]

There's a lot of energy and a.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Lot of it could be residual. But then you have like, the doors shaking, the storage room kicking open.

[Stephen Ballew]

There is a little bit of a.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

A vibe of like, maybe someone's not super thrilled, or they may not be like, evil or. Or bad. But do you get anything of like.

[Stephen Ballew]

I know you haven't seen that or.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Felt that here yet, but do you.

[Stephen Ballew]

Have an assumption of what that might be?

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

It's not like, get out. I think it's more like we're not. It's like we're not done with the house. Especially if it's Walter, Mr. Tibbs, he's not done with the house. It's still my home. I'm still proud of this house. I mean, I won't say that, you know, it was full of just happiness and light all the time, but this house was a family lived in this house. And you can really feel that. I mean, he was attached to the house for sure. And I think he still likes being here. So, you know, it could be one of those, you know, don't forget me, don't forget where, you know, this house came from.

[Stephen Ballew]

And then with these two drawings here, obviously that looks a lot like a younger version of Walter.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Do you feel like you might have.

[Stephen Ballew]

Not gotten much at all on her?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

I'm just curious where she ended with you. I don't know what she would be.

[Stephen Ballew]

Doing here either, but she's one of.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

The ones that I saw just moving through the hallway. I definitely got the impression this was the mom. When mother and father, you know, in their younger days, like when they. They probably already had some kids. They weren't like newlyweds. But I saw her in that corner room over there, which we thought was probably their bedroom with the fireplace looking out that window, that corner window. When I drove by one day, I got the impression that she would have stood and looked out that window. I saw her moving in that loft area there. And she's the one, I think that I wondered if someone saw out of the corner of their eye, her standing, like, in the middle of the stairs looking down over what was probably the front parlor. So just moving around. Lady of the house. She's still here.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

She's one of the ones that. It was like I was looking at either a residual or I was. It was like I was looking back in time and watching them. And I did see them together in that room. I got the vibe. I didn't hear anything. Like they were getting ready to go somewhere. I wouldn't be surprised if she was the lady that I saw on the widow's walk when there was a dark time or a sad time for her because it's. She's always in the same kind of a dark dress. It's always the same skirts that I keep seeing.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay. And her hair just.

[Stephen Ballew]

I forgot to ask you, do you.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Get a sense of the color? I don't know it.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

But a light brown.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Brown hair.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

The little children were, you know, blonde, but the little boy and then the older girl with the long hair, all brunette, dark and light brown.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

The ages of the kids. I mean, I know you can't get it exactly, but what's the rough range?

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

I would say the one that I got the feeling like was the oldest daughter. Oldest sister was probably, like, preteen because she was still in that sort of sailor suit, but her hair was longer. She wasn't dressing like a. More like a young lady yet. And then the little boy was probably like three or four.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Oh, really young. Yeah.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

But, I mean, I still step around that spot where he's at. He's like. He's frozen there, but. And then the two little ones again in little baby sailor suits, like 2 years old. Those are old enough to run around and be mischievous. The ones that look like twins to me.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

But I think they're the ones when I yell trickster. I wouldn't be surprised if it was those two sneaky little angels.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay. Okay.

[Stephen Ballew]

Jeffrey made a few important observations here. When I asked about the woman he drew and whether it might be Walter's wife, he said that was indeed his impression. He also noted feeling both of them, Walter and his wife, in what he believed to be their bedroom, which he identified as the large upstairs room on the left. At the time we were actually standing in the smaller room on the right. One detail that might need a little clarification is what Jeffrey referred to as the widow's walk. He was talking about the small hidden balcony at the very top of the the house, accessible only through the attic. We'd actually visited it during our first investigation, and although the height made me a little bit terrified, it offered a breathtaking view of downtown at night. But there was nothing paranormal to report at the time there. Jeffrey mentioned sensing the woman walking up there and that got me thinking. 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And yet two psychics, completely blind to the location, blindfolded with white noise pumping through their headphones, independently named both Walter and Mary. So now it was time to bring Kate back into the room and get an update from her.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

So where are you at coming back here? What kind of connects for you? And also, like, what is. What is kind of solidifying, like, as far as, like, what is here for you? Obviously, every psychic's on their own sort of wavelengths, and sometimes I really wanted.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

To see whose name that was really quick before we started.

[Stephen Ballew]

Yeah, it's the one that we've all talked about. You'll see.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yeah, it's Walter.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

No, the woman's name. Oh, yeah, because her name was right there. Remember, she had me point there last time.

[Stephen Ballew]

What Kate is referring to here is a large framed historical article almost the size of a movie poster. During their first visit, I had it completely covered, along with a few other identifying markers in the home. In fact, this room had three items draped in black cloth. But Kate was insistent that the woman present wanted her to look beneath the largest one. She kept insinuating that we'd find her name. Now, on this return visit, we decided to finally take a look. And sure enough, printed clearly on that display was the woman's full name. Johanna Mary Jane Pierce.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Mary. Johanna Mary over here?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yes. Right below.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

I'm slow.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Joanna. Mary Jane Pierce. That's the wife. But. Yeah, but what is your, like, impression right now? Like, what's here?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

I really do feel like the kids are very present. And it seems to me the ones that step forward most are, like, the little girl and a little boy. I can't see what their connection is, but they do know each other, and they talk to each other. Other, and they play with each other and they run around with each other. There's a lot that happens in the big room with them, like, more towards the front. So I don't know if, like, that's where they lived and played or I. I don't know, but there's, like, some tie there. They like the games that are over there. I do think that the woman that I'm seeing is Mary. And I feel like she stands in the window and, like, I think there's something that she's trying to say or there's. There's a reason she's trying to, like, show that she's here. I remember last time talking about how she was like, I want my story told. They always just talk about him, but never about me. And I think that that's still true for her. And so she's, like, trying to get it out there. And I also still feel like she is kind of confused with, like, where she is and what's happening in the. The time period even. It's almost like there are times where she's in the past and then lucid, what we would call lucid, and, like, seeing what's happening in present time. And it's like, when she sees what's happening in present time, she's like, well, where are the horses? Where are the. This. What is this? What's happening down here? Also, like, she'll be up here sleeping and going through her day, and then all of a sudden, the noise and the hustle and bustle of downstairs will, like, cut through to her, and it'll, like, wake her up. And she's like, what is this noise? Who's in my house? I see her waking up and almost, like, stomping down the stairs to just be like, what is this? And then, like, a door slamming or something like that to let them know to be quiet. I also feel like, like, Walter is very present. He's the one that is. I don't know why the word lucid keeps coming in, but he's, like, very intelligent. He knows that we're doing this. He knows that we're here, we're talking about it. What's interesting is when I was listening to the podcast and the owner, Lefty, was talking about how much he loves this business and, like, what they have created, I heard, like, a great, rough thank you in my head. And that, I think, was from Walter to come in and, like, appreciate it. I do think that there has to be some sort of communication of, like, I don't know, I just feel like there needs to be some communication that's like, this is the business that we're doing. Are you okay with this? Because I think that, yes, they are, but there's, like, of boundaries that need to be in place. And it feels like Walter especially is, like, very particular and specific about how things are, and he'll, like, slam drawers or things like that. Things like that. And then also Eduardo, I don't know if I'm saying that correctly. I think that he's also here, especially after listening to the podcast, because I felt the second man. And then I remember getting Ed on the Estes Method, and then whenever you mentioned him, it's like a clear as day vision is what I could see. And I don't think he, like, lived on the property, but I think he spent a lot of time here. So it's like a walking in, a walking out. He helps to, like, manage the building. I don't think it's Walter. Like, this is separate from Walter. I think it's. It's Eduardo. I could be wrong about it being Edward, but it's definitely a man. He definitely hangs out in that corner.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Which corner?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Okay. So when you go downstairs and then you have the bar and there's like a kitchen, and then there's like, something. I didn't even go back there. Back there with the little, like, stool.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Tables where people sit. Or is it the kitchen?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

No, no, it's not. Wait, you go in front of the bar. Not this way, but if you turn.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

That way, that's like that little nook area.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Yes.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Past the kitchen, further into the nook is where that guy stands.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

He just stands there.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Yeah. And then he'll come out and I.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Don'T know, younger or older looking than Walter.

[Stephen Ballew]

You don't have to get.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

If you can't get it up.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

But man.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Because he's very shadowed.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Yeah. And I don't think he comes from the property. I don't see you being able to find his history. Or where he came from. I think it was more of a drawn in kind of thing.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Pick up on him a little bit because I'm just curious if there's any activity that he might be associated with.

[Stephen Ballew]

I'm just curious.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

I don't know. He's the one who's like poking people downstairs. Like, kind of like a pinch. Like you might feel somebody pinch you and they walk. Walk past you. The POS system's messing up. He's like. Likes to do that kind of stuff.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

It's very separate from like history is how it feels.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay.

[Stephen Ballew]

Following our first investigation, I received a text from owner Harry the next morning. He said they were suddenly having major electrical issues. Registers, the POS system, even the blenders were acting up. He described it as way more intense than the usual glitches they'd experienced. It felt worth noting, especially considering the presence. Kate had just pointed out. A second more active male energy downstairs. There hadn't been any specific reports of pinching or poking, but Harry later admitted that some patrons had mentioned feeling something lightly brush their arms or neck. Whether that's connected or not, I just wanted to share something else with you listeners. Early on in my research, I knew Walter had a brother named Edward. However, he passed away, and it was after his death that Walter bought the family business and eventually moved to Austin where he built this home. But Edward passed away long before the house was constructed, so I've always felt it was a stretch to link him directly to the hauntings here, Especially since the home itself was relocated years later. However, there was a new discovery my father recently made. In the 1910 census, a servant is listed as living in this home. A 47 year old coachman named Edward Erickson. Walter passed away just a year later in 1911. We don't know how long Edward Erickson was here, and there's little information about him beyond that record, But I thought it was worth noting.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

We didn't even discuss this because it was like a side thing, like last time. But Megan and I were in that big par parlor room and then we put our hands together and we called the spirits there to like stand around. I personally felt the woman come up and then I felt the man come up and then I felt a third person who they said was their son. So I think that their son is also here. I don't know which son, but he feels younger. And that's it really. I mean, the downstairs energy is really different than upstairs. It's almost like the family kind of keeps up here. But also where the property is. It's almost like a well is how it feels, but like a spiritual well. And it feels underneath, like underneath of the house. It wasn't always in this spot, but something about this transition here, like has like plugged something in so it creates this kind of opening at the bottom. And I think when things are happening outside, or like we talked about this last time too, the astrology, I think it can amp up some of the energy. Because last time we were here it was so chaotic. It felt so chaotic. It was very, very hard for me to ground. But it felt like it was because of like outside external influence and not necessarily like what's in the building. And so I think that sometimes the pickup in activity is from energies that are essentially blowing in from outside. It's like very chaotic. It feels like it'll bounce around and move around and then like blow back out. That's how it feels to me. Me also, there's something going on in the dynamics of these people who are past that. I don't know if they're not getting along or if they're having trouble communicating with each other. One thing that I felt very strongly is like this man and woman have to have this conversation and get on the same page or like plane like it feels. And I think that's why in the Estes method it comes through as overlapping tone talking. Because everybody's trying to people that are like arguing and like trying to get on the same page and actually work together and make the thing happen. So I think a good solution would be sit down and set boundaries between the spirits and the people that are here. And also like try to open up communication so the spirits can be like a therapist. Yeah.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yeah. I'm really curious to see, see if it's Mary and Walter. I know that they died really far.

[Stephen Ballew]

Apart from each other.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

I think like time wise she was.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Old right when she passed.

[Stephen Ballew]

So I know Jeffrey's seeing them younger.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

But that's not a problem because that's. Sometimes they appear when they want to appear. But I curious you do feel like it is they were also married Because I know in the first sessions I think you didn't feel that. I think you felt that they were separate.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

I think it's because they're separate in times of death is how it feels. Cuz they do feel far apart. But there's like a connection between them. That's why they have like the bickering and the arguing and Claire audiently, even when I hear things and it's like a Hit. It sounds heavy, like an anchor. And Mary's like, heavy. And I feel very strongly that it's her, but I don't see her as younger. I see her as older.

[Stephen Ballew]

And Walter, you got through Estes, but have you ever, like, you did see.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

A male here, right?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Yeah, I did see him, but he was not as. Like, when I was in here, he was sitting there kind of observing me, but he didn't talk to me as much as she was trying to come through to me. And I think it's because she was like, oh, she sees me. And so that now's her chance. Because even when we were looking at the picture that's behind me, I literally saw her standing right in front of me and she was just like pointing to that specific spot where her name is. Like, this is my name. I think she's just having trouble being heard.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay. Yeah. That's an interesting point because a lot of the history is all about Walter.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yeah.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

I also feel like the little girl is related to her.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yeah.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

But she. So I did listen to the podcast and I saw that the baby died.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yeah.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

She is not like an infant, though.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

[Stephen Ballew]

I don't think the kids are weird.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Because it's like, I don't know about those. I don't know if they're. Because I found the records and I have them all and it was. They don't match up with the ages at all. And it's not like they could go older.

[Stephen Ballew]

I don't ever see that.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

So. And y' all did see you and Meg saw a. More like. She saw her as like older female. And y' all were like, she's kind of like young, young lady.

[Stephen Ballew]

Yeah, but where is that lady fall? Is that Mary or is that someone else?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

That's.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

I don't even feel her tonight. I think that was like an open thing. And then she was here and like lost almost. I don't feel her right now.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

The little girl, though, I can see like kind of clearly and I felt her tugging on me when we got here. Something about why I heard the name Sarah just now. But also Beth was coming through before getting over here and it was like a something Beth or like a two name thing. So I don't know if that's related to the girl now that I'm hearing Sarah, but she's six or seven, like longer, dirty blonde hair. Like a lighter. Maybe a light brown. Looks more like a light brown hair. She doesn't look like Walter and Mary. She looks different, but they. I see them knowing each other because I see them holding hands. So it could be that they like, met after death. And then because I feel like Mary was very nurturing to kids and I think she naturally nurtures them.

[Stephen Ballew]

And then the boys are any details.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

About him at all? Because we didn't pick up much on him last time.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

No, I don't think so.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay. You've only. Where have you, like, picked him up? Energy wise?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

They play like in the front. Yeah. But also I think that the. Well, the girl I saw for sure staring at the window, the little boy I didn't really pick up on until I was like, in the home and she was like, look, this is my, I think brother is how it looks like. That doesn't mean they're like blood related. That could just be, you know, they're both younger. He to me looks a little bit younger than she is. She looks older, but I don't see how. I don't know why they're here.

[Stephen Ballew]

It was starting to seem more and more likely that we were in fact dealing with Mary. Early in my research, I struggled to find much about her. Most of the general historical write ups and online sources only listed her full name, Johanna Mary Jane Pierce. It wasn't until my father dug deeper through ancestry records and old newspapers, using the subscriptions I pay for, that we discovered she actually went by the name Mary. That's how she was listed in every official record, including her death certificate. So the fact that both Kate and Meg picked up on the name Mary during their first investigation, and now tonight, Kate was once again confidently using this name, it began to convince me. I was starting to believe we were dealing with Mary herself. As for the children, like Kate mentioned, she was just as confused.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

The ages of the children she was.

[Stephen Ballew]

Seeing didn't match those of Walter and Mary's children who passed. Their daughter Clara died at just four weeks old, long before this home even existed. Their son, Walter Jr. Died at the age of 16 while living with a relative on a ranch. Though his body was brought back to this home for a wake. Still earlier in the night, Kate said she felt the presence of Walter, Mary and their son in the large upstairs room on the left. I'm still unsure where Walter Jr fits into this haunting, but during her first esta session on her last visit, his name came through loud and clear for Kate. We just have to see how that thread continued to develop tonight. There's one last detail I didn't catch in the moment, but it's worth noting. Now, during this session, Kate mentioned the name Sarah for the younger girl she was sensing around six years old. Strangely enough, that name also came up during Danielle's Estes session, when she believed she was communicating with children. What makes that especially interesting is that none of us know Danielle personally, and her session recording had not been shared with any of the team. With that in mind, it was time to bring in one last voice. I pulled in our psychic friend Meg back into the room for a final update. What do you feel is most like.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Coming to the forefront for you?

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

The first thing that comes out is that this place never felt ominous or dark to me, ever. There's just energy moving around in different ways that I could understand. Might make some people feel uncomfortable, but I wouldn't call it, like, haunting or unwelcoming or dark or anything of that sort. And some of the. Those vibes that we were getting in the back room sort of makes sense, because I'm wondering now if that may have been a bedroom or something. And that voice was kind of like, well, why are you walking into my bedroom? Why are you like, I'm in bed. I'm in my purse. Personal space.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

How?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Like.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

And you're thinking back in the day, right? Like, people, your. Your bedroom is a personal space. You're in your pajamas and stuff. So that's the voice I'm hearing is more or less like, there's tours coming in through somebody's bedroom, and they're like, what the heck are you doing in here? The energy, though, I didn't understand it, and I saw it up on the terrace, and I was too busy kind of looking up instead of looking down to realize there is a crossroads just because of the streets. It's not a topographical thing like at Pioneer Farms. This is more the. The roads that have gone in around an oak grove. And what's really interesting is that so many of them are at least 300 years old, and. And then there's a pine tree of all things in the middle of it. And that's so bizarre, energetically, just for this whole area. Like, I was looking around, seeing pine cones on the ground, like, what the heck? This is Austin. That's weird, right?

[Stephen Ballew]

It's a huge pine tree, too.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

It's really tall. And there's. There's just something about the trees and how old they are. And I remember. Remember hearing the trees sounding like whale song. There's something energetically going on, like, Congress just isn't natural to sit right next to an ancient oak grove. So that could be Some of the energy that's dissonant, I think, that people are picking up on. There's probably a crossroads situation where there's portals going on. I haven't really looked around too much outside to see, see or look more yet, but it's hard to connect. Too much ominous or like somebody dying in the house in a bad way, at least to me. But then listening back to the Estes session, that doesn't mean, like. That doesn't mean that there isn't, like, things that have happened here on the property or around the house or something. In the sense that when I listen back, I get the sense that there's. There's some form of coercion, control manipulation going on. These characters, if you will, do know one another. There is something. There's a correlation somehow, but there's also really clearly. Now, I don't want to go too far into this because it's kind of a sensitive topic, but miscarriages and stillborns and things like that and. And back in these times, it was not something that was discussed. It was not something necessarily that was addressed. Like, it just sort of happened, and the women would deal with it, and, you know, you take care of it. You know, it's. It's buried in the family plot. Sometimes it's marked, sometimes it's not. And I'm wondering if there's something related to the property from before or. I. I don't know what's going on with that. I would have to sit with it a little bit longer, but I think that's what was starting to open up when my brain went, it's time to stop in. During my session, I was getting close to something like that. Like, it was getting into maternal energy. And I've got enough going on in my own personal life as a mom, too, that I. I think my brain shut down for me, but there's something to explore there for sure.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay. And then as far as, like, I.

[Stephen Ballew]

Know you don't get a whole lot.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

On, like, physically seeing entities and, like, getting them in the buildings. You.

[Stephen Ballew]

You did more. You got the name Walter in the ASDA session.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

You also got another prominent name that I learned later was important and I'm going to share with you now. And Rachel. No, I thought it was Rachel because.

[Stephen Ballew]

That'S the one that came through first.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

But you said another Mary right after that is Walter's wife. That's the name of Walter's wife. Okay. And so I don't know if she's really here, but there is really strong feelings from Kate and Jeffrey about that. And they have seen a woman, both of them, clearly. And they are so associating it with Walter. And then the children that obviously you heard in the first episode. I don't know if you've ever.

[Stephen Ballew]

I don't remember on the first one.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

If you picked up children at all.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

That's what I'm wondering about. Babies. Because they're not children to me. They're babies.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yeah. And see, they're tiny. Everyone sees, like, kids, you know, in the windows, they hear the voices of the kids.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

You know, I don't get anything related to that. I can picture it in my mind, but it doesn't resonate for me. And what it screams, quite honestly to me in a sensory way, is how a narrative becomes created and a lot of people can latch onto it, and then visuals manifest, if that makes sense.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

No, it makes sense. Yeah.

[Stephen Ballew]

There were a couple of things Meg pointed out that were worth keeping in mind. First, this house wasn't originally built on this land. It was moved here way after the TIPS had lived in it. And while I wasn't able to find any record of a previous structure on this lot, that doesn't mean nothing ever stood here. In our past investigations, we've learned that passerby spirits, spirits not directly tied to the location, are actually pretty common, especially with old structures that have been relocated. It also made me wonder, could that other male presence be someone completely separate from the TIPS family? Someone simply drawn to the energy of the house? We didn't have answers just yet, but it was time to dive into our next phase. After this short break, we'll sit down for four very interesting experimental sessions with our team and psychics. Stay tuned. I'd like to give a special thank you to our longtime sponsor, AG1. Your support means a lot, not just for sponsoring the show, but for making it so much easier to give my body the essential nutrients and probiotics it needs to feel healthier and happier every day. And now, AG1 has leveled up even more with their AG1 Next Gen. This upgraded formula has been clinically shown to increase healthy gut bacteria by 10 times, all for the same price of less than $3 per day. What I love most about AG1 is how seamlessly it fits into my daily routine and the noticeable improvement in my gut health since I started taking it. AG1 Next Gen has truly been a game changer when it comes to meeting my daily nutritional needs. With just one scoop in a glass of water each morning, I'm giving my body everything it needs. To start the day off right. No more running around trying to track down separate supplements, vitamins and probiotics. It's all there in AG1. What's even more impressive is that AG1 next gen is constantly evolving, finding new ways to improve an already incredible formula. It's backed by four clinical trials and has been clinically shown to fill common nutrient gaps and support gut health. Since I started taking AG1, my gut health has improved dramatically. I used to deal with poor digestion and occasional bloating, but the probiotics in AG1 have made these issues a thing of the past. In three clinical trials, including participants of various ages, activity levels and Baseline Gut Health, AG1 Next Gen was shown to increase key probiotic species that aid digestion and support a healthier gut microbiome. If you're looking for a simpler, more effective way to meet your daily nutritional needs and improve gut health, I can't recommend AG1 enough. I made the switch over 2 years ago and it's made a real difference in how I feel every day. Just one scoop once a day. That's all it takes. With AG1, the number one nutritional supplement now clinically backed with an upgraded formula, this is the perfect time to try AG1 if you haven't yet. I've been drinking AG1 for two years now and I'm so happy to be partnering with them. So subscribe today to try the next gen of AG1 for less than $3 per day. If you use my link, you'll also get a free gift with your first order, so make sure to check out Drinkag1.com NightOwl to get started with AG1's next gen and notice the benefits for yourself. That's Drinkag1.com NightOw we gather the entire team in the large upstairs room on the left. We set up two chairs placed back to back and began our first dual method experiment. One psychic would undergo the Estes method, the other the Ganzfeld experiment. For the Estes we used a blindfold and noise canceling headphones blasting a rapidly scanning AM station. For the Ganzfeld we used red light goggles paired with white noise through the same style of headphones. I personally tested both setups ahead of time and can confirm that they were loud enough to block out any external sound, including our voices. For this first session, Kate took the left chair under the Estes method. Jeffrey sat in the right under the Gansfeld setup. And so we began.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

We've got Kate and Jeffrey under a.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

Lot of kids running up and down the stairs.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay, it's already going.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

Laughing. Feet on the stairs. I see the older girl again with the long brown hair. She's like trying to keep track of the kids.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

You can go. Yeah, sorry. You can put that back on you now.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

There's like a. They're like outside. They're all in white, like in the summertime outside the house.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Tony.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

It's the.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

The woman again. And I think the. The guy with the mustache.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Say it aloud too, because I can barely hear. Both. Both of them. If you hear things, separate now.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Two now.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

The mother.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

She's crying.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

I see her.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

Hold her with a handkerchief to her face.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Married, prominent. It's true.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Married prominent is true.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

I'm not doing anything. You're smart.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

Pieces, clips of images.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Is your name Mary? Can we come. Can we talk to Mary through K?

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

I can almost hear a voice.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

We're trying to talk to Mary. Are you here?

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

I hear music. Very faint music. Almost like into singing.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Speaking to what? We have a microphone.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

That's what I've got.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

It sounds like people are singing in church. Like a hymn.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Mary, you had something you wanted to get across, apparently. You said your story needed to be told.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Caitlin, it's me.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Who's Kaitlyn? Are you referring to Kate or is this someone else?

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

I still hear the singing, but I can't quite make out the words.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

We've got a room full of people here.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Loose, lost.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

So Mary, I'm trying. Uh huh. What? What was your. What was your.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

It's hard for me to communicate.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay, that's what we wanted.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

Now it's like.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

But I am trying.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

I can almost hear a voice. Talk to me.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

See? They're both trying to communicate. So Mary, you can talk to both these people. This is Jeffrey and this is Kate. And they both can hear you.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

Rolling her.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

This is Kate. Can you talk to Kate?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

He's not in here.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

So faint. But I. I hear a voice.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

He's not in here. So you're referring to Walter?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

He's down the hall.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

He's down the hall. Is it Walter? Can you give me a yes or no?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Family? If this is Mary, my sons. Yeah, your son's granddaughter.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Granddaughter.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

There's a little girl with braids peeking through that door right there.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay. Is that your granddaughter that's looking around.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

Looking into this room?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

It's me. That was a woman's voice.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

She has blonde hair. She's about five years old.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Walter giggling. A written letter. Speak the truth.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yeah. What's the truth?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

It's true.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

You can say it. We'll finally be able to tell your story. I know you have something that you said you wanted to get across. It's always Walter's story, right? What's your story?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Mary Barter.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

I hear like old fashioned.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

It's in this house. Excuse me. Five.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

What is he? A car horn.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

There's someone speaking from this side. But I can't quite make out what.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

They'Re saying from down the road.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

What's down the road? The house used to be down the road.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

It's like they're mumbling.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

She was waving.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Is it early? It's early. That's a fact.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

So, Kate, we want to know why you're so curious.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

We just. We're here because we're not sure if there's someone that needs to get something across or has a message to deliver.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Something for the owners or to sleep across.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Sleep.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

I appreciate it.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

Peaceful here.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Find me. That was a woman.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Find you. Okay. Well, we're looking for. For Mary to be able to share her story.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

In the bedroom. My wife.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

In our home.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

My wife. My wife. Peaceful. You.

[Stephen Ballew]

Peaceful sleep.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

She said. What? Where's the bedroom? Can you tell me where the bedroom was? Can you point or guide me?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

It's behind.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

It's behind. Right here. This is where they think the bedroom was. Right here. Communicate through Jeffrey or Kate. Anything you need to tell the people that currently confused are feeling this space. You're confused.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Taking advantage.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

Singing again.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

What do you need them to do if they're gonna coexist in your space with you?

[Stephen Ballew]

What do they need to do?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

They're not here. I'm trying to find it.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

You're trying to find something. Are you looking for your kids? Ann.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Look at her.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Was Anne one of your kids? What were the other names of your kids?

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

Getting an angry face with the mustache.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

I know. I noticed.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Walter.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

I noticed.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

What's that? Noticed what? Walter? What is it that you.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Walter. I avoided that.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

What did you avoid? Walter's here now. Yeah, Walter's here now.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Heart attack.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

Don't forget where you are.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay. We're in the house. Yeah. Walter, tell us what you need to tell us. We can tell the owners what you.

[Stephen Ballew]

Want them to know.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

How? Baby, this is a different. Yeah, that's different.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Can you help me? I'm lost.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

We can help you. My name's Steven.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

My mom. My family.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

Angels singing.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

I'm four.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Are you lost because the house was moved?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Are you lost because you passed away at an early age? Did you die as a kid?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Someone said get out.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Walter. Are you the one that has a Lot of frustration. Frustration. You don't. They seem to say that you're happy and you're very, like, thankful and appreciative person.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Yes.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

So why are you angry?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

He's coming.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Who is?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

He's smarter.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

He's smarter.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Is this a spirit?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Edward.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Edward again.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Before. Pissed off.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Pissed off.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

So, Walter, lots of talking, but it's. It's faint. I can't make out the words.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Walter, tell us what your relationship was like with your brother Edward.

[Jeffrey (Team Member - post-investigation reflection)]

Brother?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Barry.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Barry. What? You inherited the business from him after he passed away.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

I. I can't make out the word. I clearly hear a girl's voice in my ear.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Stupid.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Smarter than stupid. Is there a female trying to come through right now? Let's focus. We gotta get some answers.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

So, numbers written on a page.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Walter. Job.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Who is this? Who's speaking to me now?

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

I think it's the mother. Now I think it's a young woman and she sounds like she's singing to a baby.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Who is this? Do you have a name? Is it Mary? Where did Walter go? Walter, you seem like you want to say something. And you. You were upset.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Watch it.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Every time I talk to Walter, he gets kind of. Ah. Ah. Remember he made fun of me in my hat last time?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

I understand what you're saying.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

You see, when I talk about Walter, he starts to like, talk back. So Walter, you can. Walter again.

[Stephen Ballew]

She just.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Anything can happen. It is. What?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

What is it? Walter, Everybody has said you're a really positive energy. So why are you upset? What are you upset at?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

What's that sound, Walter?

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

You upset that we're going to learn something about actually that you don't want people to know?

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

The mustache guy's making a face. Hands again.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay, Walter, we're not going to do anything to expose anything. That's not true. And all you have to do is just let us know.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

There's an initial for Janet.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

He winked at me.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

He winked at him. Okay, Walter.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Oh, please. Death Wife.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

What? What death are you referring to?

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

This singing has faded away.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Coddled.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Coddled.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Baby.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Baby Again. Were there stillborn?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Say it again.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Were there stillborn children in the family? Did you lose children before they were born?

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

The mustache guys still all white hair now like. Like, I guess he's older.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

We're gonna move.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Kill.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

What happened? Who killed what?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

My mom. Heart attack.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Heart attack.

[Stephen Ballew]

Who's speaking to us now?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Can you give us a name?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Let go.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Can you give us a name of who's talking to us now?

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

I heard Alexis voice.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Man, count to ten.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay, I Was gonna give him ten seconds. That's weird. Should we wrap it up?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

That's not me.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

We're gonna end the session.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Someone else is doing that.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

Numbers, lines.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

None of your business.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

Ledger.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

None of your business.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

She just said we're gonna wrap this up downstairs. Give us a message that we can in the building to help the owners.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Who's the man downstairs?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

He likes the music.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Walter played music. He was really good at it. So you're saying he did. Who's talking to us now? Walter liked the music, but who are you?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

We're in. The guy.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

The guy. I said the guy downstairs. There's another possible entity.

[Stephen Ballew]

Energy downstairs that.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Kate.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

It has to do with the weather.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

The weather.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Weather. Time. Time difference.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

Hear music again.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Music again. Just seems like multiple timelines happening all at once.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Yeah, the weather.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay, well, we're gonna wrap this up. Thank you for your time. We're gonna continue talking to you. If you have any.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

$15,000.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

$15,000. If you have anything else you need to say, say. Say it now. 5.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

I don't have answers now.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

4. 3.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

A proper storage. Get out.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay, sorry. You can get out. Yeah, sorry.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

That's what she said, too. Get out.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

She did?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Yeah. Right when I. When. Right when you tapped me. So that was interesting. The weather that kept coming through.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

That was at the end. Yeah. I want to.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

Somebody was tapping on these a couple of times.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Oh, wow. Okay, let me hear from each of y' all real quick.

[Stephen Ballew]

Let's turn this off.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

That was. There was some really interesting. Like we were.

[Stephen Ballew]

Y' all were both.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yeah. And it was like. When I would ask a question about.

[Stephen Ballew]

Certain things, certain people, y' all were.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Responding with that person saying it was him. So Walter, a lot of times, I don't know if you felt the. You feel merry at all.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

It's so interesting because I don't even know how to describe what I felt coming in. Can you. I just need, like, a minute.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Was it different than the last time you did it?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Very much different.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay, okay. It felt different. It was like. That was interesting to do these two together, like the. The Gonsfield and the Estes.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Cuz he was getting a lot different.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

This time than I did last.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Yeah, you were seeing a lot.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

He was seeing and hearing a lot too.

[Stephen Ballew]

There was a lot to unpack in this first session. I won't be able to point out everything, but I hope you could clearly hear the number of direct and relevant responses coming through. Walter's presence felt especially strong again. And both Kate and Geoffrey Believed they were also picking up Mary. The mention of babies dying could be a reference to Clara, Walter and Mary's infant daughter, who passed away just four weeks old. But it's hard to say for certain. There were also mentions of sleep, rest, a bedroom, echoing what many of the psychics had felt about this space, that it may have once actually been Walter and Mary's bedroom.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

There was even a suggestion that the.

[Stephen Ballew]

Activity of the business itself might be disturbing them, perhaps waking them from sleep and contributing to their unrest. Music came up too. Geoffrey noted hearing it, which stood out given Walter's well documented love of music. And there's something distinctive about the way Walter communicates, especially when addressing me. He comes across as intelligent and direct. And that tone was beginning to surface again here. We'll hear it even more clearly in the sessions that follow. Still, for all the compelling moments, we weren't getting many clear answers. It was fascinating to witness this, but I hope the next session might bring more clarity. Next up, we placed Meg in the left chair under the Estes method and Alexis in the right chair under the Ganzfeldt.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay, we've got Meg under Estes and Alexis under Ganzfeldt. Back to back with loud music coming through so they cannot hear. We're here to communicate with any of the spirits that seem to call this space their home. We've got Walter, possibly his wife.

[Stephen Ballew]

Wife Mary.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

There's a chance that his son, Walter Jr. Smaller children that we don't know who they belong to and why they're here. And we need to know if there's anything that needs to be communicated to the owners of the building.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

I just heard trying g worst.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

What was that?

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

Men.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Men.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

So many men.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

He said man screaming.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yep. Yeah, I may need you to repeat, cuz.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

Classical music.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Classical music again. Did you hear classical or was it different?

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

Yeah, so many men. I heard classical music like too many.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Too many men. Okay, let's try to think. Yeah.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

True laughing man laughing. So these pretty like a scary laugh.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Go. Okay. Yeah.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

Too many men.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

So maybe we need to some men.

[Stephen Ballew]

Out of the room.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Is it just too many men in the room?

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Scary laugh a little bit higher.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Go, go. I think she's telling us that men.

[Stephen Ballew]

Need to leave the room.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

We'll tell.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

They'll tell.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

What a creep.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Where's the creep go?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Who's the creep? Who needs to go? Who is the creep? Who's the creep?

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

You. You go.

[Jeffrey (Team Member - post-investigation reflection)]

Who?

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Which one? There's like three of us in here.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

No, she's back.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay, who is. Who's she. No.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

They're going to listen now.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yeah, we're listening. Can you give us a name? We need a name. We know.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

No. Let's go.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Go.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

No.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

What are you doing?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

We're trying to talk to you.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

We're trying to talk to you. You.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

You are?

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

Yes, we are.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Yeah, we're talking.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

It's too many men.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

We're trying to.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

It's too hard.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay. Who do you want to talk?

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

I'm going.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

My name's Kate.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

I can't.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Can't what?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Who's speaking?

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

Ooh, Somebody growled.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

That was interesting. That growl and a laugh right at the same time.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Get.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Go.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

Come on.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

Step forward. It's okay. Go about.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yep.

[Stephen Ballew]

Is this Mr.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Tips? Maybe I'm referring to you as Walter, but I need to refer to you as Mr. Tips.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

It's time to talk. Yeah, it's time to talk.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

I keep seeing somebody.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

Slow Lullaby.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Music.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Waiting.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Their arm.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Very slowly. Get my attention.

[Stephen Ballew]

Is it a woman?

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

Everything. Everything. Show Alexis the way it goes. Nowhere standing.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Putting their hands in front of my face.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

Enough.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

They're trying to cover my face.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

Is it a man or a woman or a child?

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

They keep doing it.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

This.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

No, it's time.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay, we know it's time.

[Stephen Ballew]

So let's go ahead and hear what.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

You have to say. You can speak to Kate. If you don't want to speak to us, we will.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Respect you.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

You go.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Are they here?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

I'm not here. I'm here. Can you see me?

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

Don't laugh.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Okay. Are you in the one of the rooms here? Baby, which room is yours?

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

It's okay.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Are you helping the kids? It's the baby.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

Yes, It's a baby.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Okay. What is your name? Are you.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

Get up.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Are you.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

What's up?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Are you from here?

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Pressure. Like on the body. Like I'm being crushed.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

Get up. Accident. Under the. And it's in.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

I know you can do it. I know you can get the words through. If you tell us your name, we can help you.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Somebody's saying something in my left ear. I couldn't quite make it out.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Go.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Go.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Who's. Who needs to go living?

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

It's time.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Maybe she needs to go.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Are you ready to cross over?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

What?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Are you excited?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Expect.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

It's hard.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

They're whispering in my left ear.

[Danielle (Paranormal Princess)]

Remember?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

So we will remember. We plan to honor in these stories that we're going to share everything. Everything.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

How could you?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Who are you talking to?

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

It's okay. What do you expect? What are you talking about?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

It's like a Man and a woman.

[Stephen Ballew]

Remember you talked about they did it together.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Man whispering in my left ear. But he's not letting me hear what has to say.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Try to Walter or the male who's trying to come through everything. Talk through Alexis. And please do not interfere with Meg. And let the female possibly Mary speak to Meg. Thank you.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Thank you.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

And he wouldn't go.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

You have to learn.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

Don't touch.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Do you know each other? Are you from the same time period?

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

Don't get too close.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

This is what we know.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Where are you from?

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

And no dignity.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

Did you live in this house?

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

Everything that you people are.

[Stephen Ballew]

She feels way different than and in.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Order to other ones.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

We talk again over here.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

You going to get everything?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

If you can tell us who you are.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

All of this.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

This time you have to tell us who you are. We don't know a dozen. Can you see us standing here?

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

No.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

We're standing here.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Just touch my face.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

It's hidden. You don't want to know.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

It feels like Walter was definitely coming through. And he keeps coming through a lot on this side. Especially with Jeffrey too.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Like hands. Like somebody.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

There's a pause.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Putting their hands in front of actual models.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

There's too many men. All this too many men stuff.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

She feels like from a completely different.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

And they're all watching.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yeah. We're watching. But we're not. We're not bad men. Actually. We're. We're actually very helpful men.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

Justice won't come. There's too many men.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

We're living in a se. We're living in a different time period.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

One of them.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

What am I supposed to see?

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Laughing.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

I just heard a screen scream.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Whispering.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

What are we laughing at?

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

I just heard it again.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Two people whispering.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Now what are they saying?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Is it a male or female Screaming Everything.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

And it's harder.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Maybe we should take them out.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

I think just to regroup.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

Get him.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay. We're gonna get out.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

Get him. Who do we need to get the real one?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Real one. Okay.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Somebody just touched my left arm.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

I heard a growl.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Nine.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

It's not happening.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

It's like a low.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

Get him.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Bass humming like three.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

It's a little groggy. Get him.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay. It's me.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

What time period do you think you were in just now?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

What was that?

[Stephen Ballew]

That was way different than anything else.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

So different. I kept getting baby too.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

But where was your because you had a lot more with Kate. It wasn't as like. And she said she felt whatever was coming through to you felt different than what came through to her. But I don't know if you were getting anything from. Was it more than one person talking?

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

And then what was all.

[Stephen Ballew]

All the men's stuff like?

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

It was like the lady was saying there's too many men here and they're all watching. Like they're not going to talk. There's too many of y' all sitting here watching this. You all are all sitting around watching. So she's not going to say anything. It's too masculine.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

She's younger. The person that Meg is picking up on is like a younger woman.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

Yeah.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Walter or Mary? She's older.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yeah.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

Cuz that didn't get married at all.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

You felt like more like the older.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Yes.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

That's interesting.

[Stephen Ballew]

Walter was.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

I kept getting babies.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

I was picking up on her singing to the baby and she's.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

And that's more like Mary energy.

[Stephen Ballew]

Yeah, this was a lot more angry energy.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Yeah, she felt very like Civil War time period to me.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Well, that's actually Walter's time period, but.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Yeah, but like young. Like she was 96 or something in the. During the Civil War is what it looks like. Maybe your nurse or something.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Alexis, was there anything interesting about your session? That it was really weird. It was.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

I've never really had any issues with this before, but like immediately I felt like I could sinking further and further and further back into the chair. And I kept feeling like I was like in a flip back.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yeah, that's funny.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Which I never had.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

You feel like you got touched?

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

I kept getting touched. Like I was feeling something touching me here. And then voices would come through, but then I just hear them whispering in my left ear. And they wouldn't, they wouldn't tell. Like I'd be like, go on. You know, like, tell me more like in my mind. And it would just be like, like then they started whispering to each other.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Was it masculine or feminine?

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

It was masculine.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

It was a man. So yeah, we felt like the male.

[Stephen Ballew]

Energy was way more on this side for some.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Some reason.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Yeah, it was mostly. I didn't get any feminine energy on my side.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Felt so masculine.

[Meg (Psychic Medium)]

Mine was mostly women and the louder they got then he was playing classical music to drown them out every time. It was very strange because they'd come through clear day with the same voices, female, every time. And they would.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

So like, it was not. It didn't feel like human.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

It didn't really.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

It didn't feel like human, but I don't think it felt like demonic.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

It just. No, it just felt like it was.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Like I was in another universe.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Weird.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

It was really strange.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

At one point, Meg heard a growl. At the same time he heard a laugh.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yeah, exactly the same time.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Hearing lots of laugh, like, but not, not like people laughing. It was like. Like whenever you take a person's voice and you twist it to make it sound weird, it was like that type of laughter.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

I don't. I want to leave here with at least giving the owners some final interpretation, but it's kind of like it's really been all over the place. But in the end, just kind of sit with it for right now. Don't talk to each other. Just kind of sit with Yalls own thoughts. I'll see if we can do one more session and then we'll wrap it up.

[Stephen Ballew]

We were all a bit surprised by the shift in energy that came through Meg during this session. It was a very different personality than the one that Kate had connected with earlier, who she believed to be Mary. All of the mediums agreed this did not feel like the same woman. There's a chance this could have been the younger female presence that several team members picked up on during the first investigation. But her connection to the house remains unclear. It's possible she's a passerby or maybe a spirit tied to the land rather than the structure itself or the Tips family. What stood out most was the agitation this presence seemed to carry, especially around the number of men in the room. There were moments of tension that felt almost antagonistic when Meg mentioned feeling overwhelmed by too many men. Alexis, under the Gansfeld setup, reported hearing a male laughing. It was subtle, but it felt like a strange sort of push and pull pool between the two presences. Then came the classical music. It would start playing, interrupting, whenever we tried to get more out of the female presence. I'm not trying to say that Walter was covering things up, but it's hard to ignore the fact that his name kept coming up and that classical music, something so deeply tied to him, would suddenly override the session. I don't have a clear explanation for that, but it was an intriguing development. Still, as with the first session, we weren't getting much in the way of solid answers. But what we were getting was compelling moments. The back and forth between Meg and Alexis produced direct correlations and responses, even emotional reactions that seemed synced between them. It was fascinating to be there and watch this unfold. These sessions are exhausting for the participants, so we paused to let the psychics rest and regroup. That's when team member Franklin approached me. Keep in mind he's our most skeptic team member. He said that he would like to go under next using a solo hybrid method we've been experimenting with recently. The setup includes flashing red light goggles and a rapidly scanned AM station through noise canceling headphones. A fusion of the Estes and Gansfeld technique on one person. He took a different chair in the same room, put on the gear and went under. Almost immediately, he startled visibly, jolting backward, throwing his hands up as if to defend himself. You won't see that, but you'll definitely hear it. And as always, we just kept recording, waiting for what?

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

I don't.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

What just happened?

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Baby.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

What's up with the babies?

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

I kill you.

[Stephen Ballew]

Who are we talking to right now?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Say your name.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

We cut it up.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Did somebody make you have an abortion?

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Classical music Meg said whenever they were.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Trying to talk to the women, the guy would play classical music.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Who's Franklin?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

You're talking with Franklin. Who are you? Is this Walter or is this someone else? Give us your name.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Haunt.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Haunt.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

Is that what you're doing?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Do you know that you've passed on? Wait.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

It's music.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Did you like music? Did you play an instrument?

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Thank you.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

What kind of music did you like? Own.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

I'm here.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

I have some specific questions that are.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Different than what we could be agnostic.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

I'm gonna ask some questions about something completely different that we haven't talked about.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

What?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

There's a business that's being operated along with. Wait. There's a business that's being operated here.

[Stephen Ballew]

In the home now.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

So the business is experiencing some difficulties.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

At this time, and it's with a.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Lot of equipment and electrical issues, and they're having a lot happen and they don't know if it's something that.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

We got you covered. You'll see.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

We're trying to see if there's another male presence in the building that we could communicate with in the room.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

The baby.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Whose baby?

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

So many people.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yeah, there's a lot here.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

These.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

What happened to the baby?

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Tell us here.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Whose baby and what happened?

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Classical music Blocking voices Do you know where you're at? Who are you?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

This is Steven. That's Jeffrey. Do you know what we're doing?

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

We got a start.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yeah, that's a start. Got our names out of the way.

[Stephen Ballew]

What are you doing here?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

When did you get here?

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

It's not done.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

I feel like we might be getting passerbys.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

I was gonna say, I feel like it's gone.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yeah, it's like. That's a way different. Like Voice, energy that we've been dealing with.

[Stephen Ballew]

Can we talk to the predominant spirits.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

That reside in this space? Not just people that are passing through. We want to open up communication only to the ones that are tied to the space.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

I'm outside.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

I think it's like a passerby.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Are you.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

No, we're inside. We're gonna go ahead and end the communication with this energy. Walter, Mary, Someone from the Tips family.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Steven.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yeah, it's me. And we want to talk to some of the people we've been talking to. We want to get their story out. We need answers because we're. We're running out of time and you don't have much time to tell your full story. We can't make up.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Fucking say it.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yeah, I think we have that energy back. This is that one that always doesn't like me. Do you not like me?

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Someone just dropped the N bomb and then said Scottish.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

I mean, you do have red beard.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

I have a red beard. But why would it be the.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Well, I told you.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Hey. See, when her breath this energy back.

[Stephen Ballew]

He's very sassy with me.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Who is this? I quit.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Every time we talk to Walter, it seemed like he was talking like this to me.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Female.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

It's trying females.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

Are you just being.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Well, he said. He said one female is trying to talk a fool.

[Stephen Ballew]

Walter, do you know your wife is here with you?

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Yeah.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Do you care?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Do you.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Do you maybe.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Do you want to communicate with. Can you communicate with her? Hey, Mary. Say her name.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

We.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

You need. Okay.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

To work.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yes.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

You need things to do.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

I'll take it.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

What do you.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Somebody.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

What do you want to do? Do you want to help the business?

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Is the lady in the country okay.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

You're losing this, Walter.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Do you need a task, baby?

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

Mr. Tibbs, what would you like to say to the owners of the business in the house now?

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Seriously?

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

Yes, Seriously?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Seriously.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

This is your last chance to give them a firm message. What do you want to say to them?

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Everyone.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yes.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

What would you like to say to everyone?

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Axe. Break elbow. Remember who do it tomorrow.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Can you be more specific?

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Heal.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Heal what?

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Obey. Thank you.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay. Well, Jeffrey was saying is important. The owners did want to relay something.

[Stephen Ballew]

To you, so I'm.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yes, but I'm gonna say it to you. They said that they were really grateful.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

For your ego today.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Really? Every time I fucking. The owners wanted to say they're very grateful for the space.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

I think about it.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yeah. That you. That you left them.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

That's smart.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

And that they hope they honored it in a way that you would be appreciative. But if there's anything that they could do that would honor you more, that they would be willing to do that.

[Stephen Ballew]

So do you have anything you'd like.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

For them to do while they're owning the. A business in the home that you built? They can't stop selling coffee and having people here.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

So I know that the 9 is ready.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

So, Walter, you don't have any more clear.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

Otherwise, we're.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Hey. Yeah.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Couple. Okay, we're gonna stop.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

We're gonna end the session in 10 seconds. And you do have enough time to say something. I just don't know if this is you. I can't tell.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

That's not possible.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

10, 9. Hello. 8. They always say hello when I start counting down. 7, 6.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

It's time.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yes, it is. 5. Yes. What's your name? 4. 3. 2.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

How many are there?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

One. How did you. You jumped really bad in the beginning. What was that about?

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

You got really startled and somebody stuck.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Something in your ear.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

So this thing and this thing synced like this. The. The pauses and the. And the flashing synced at the same time. And I saw this woman face just come right at me, and she was, like, yelling at me in my face. And then these two fell out of sync, and then she was gone.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Jeez, I wonder what's up with the woman spirit. That was.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

Doesn't sound like the quiet misses Tips that I've been accustomed to.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yeah, she was very peaceful, but she's not really been a big presence felt.

[Stephen Ballew]

Here either, which is so weird.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

She's always around, but, like, Tips Tips is.

[Stephen Ballew]

I think the Mrs.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Tips was felt and seen by a few people, but this younger one is feeling really strange.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

I don't feel like I was picking up on her when she was younger. Oh, but there's that. The oldest daughter. Young girl.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

Was kind of shy and, like, quiet and everything.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

So.

[Stephen Ballew]

Again, there's three voices.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

There was a younger man's voice, an older man's voice, and a woman's voice.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

That's what they've heard many times.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

The younger man's voice was always saying, baby. The older man would always come in and say something about the house.

[Stephen Ballew]

Who was the one that was real sassy toward me because I kept saying things, and they kept saying, like, the older man.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay, see, I think it is Walter, and he does that all the time.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

But I was getting. I was getting the impression that they hid something in the walls or they hit something in the floor. But every time I was. I was gonna say it. Classical Music would come on and she.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Was saying classical music would interrupt the women trying to talk, which is weird.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Well, every time I would say, I would want to say, like floor or hardwood or wall or balcony or something like that. Classical music would just come in and cut me off before I could say something.

[Stephen Ballew]

Once again, this session didn't yield any new information, really. But what continued to stand out were the recurring presences. Most notably the sharper, more frustrated, older Mel, we believe to be Walter. There were also repeated mentions of tasks or work related requests that could be worth exploring further, perhaps even by the owners to see if addressing them affects the activity in the space. At the start of this session, Franklin was startled by a woman who approached him abruptly. An intense moment that seemed to come out of nowhere. He also referenced a baby during the session. And once again, we experience the now familiar interruptions of classical music. With time for only one more session before co owner Harry needed to close up for the night, we decided to bring Kate and Alexis back into an experiment together. This time we swapped their roles. Kate remained on the left, but went under the Ganzfeld setup. And Alexis took the right. This time under the Estes method.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Kate is under a Ganzfeld with the goggles. All right.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Who was I talking to when I asked?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

I see a woman in front of.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Me who was fucking with me.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

She's wearing a coat.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

I'm not gonna stop.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Who the fuck was fucking with me?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

She's walking up the stairs.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

I love you.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

Are you the Trickster?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

It's okay. I can see you.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay. There's a woman.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Baby. Her baby.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

She's right in front of your face.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yeah. And she's talking to a few.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

He's to the left, standing tall.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

I did. So what?

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

What's your name?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Stand up.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Years. We've got Alexis.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Feels like it.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

We got Kate here. What do you. Who's coming through to Alexis right now?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Walter. Standing right here.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Okay.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Walter standing right very tall, looking over.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Hold it. It's going.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

What's going.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Be quiet. No, don't tell her.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Oh, no way.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

She can't know.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

What can't. She can just tell us how this happened. What happened?

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

The aria is classical music outside.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

She was gonna stir something.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

It's blue outside. Through the window you can see her.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Typical.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

What's the significance of the classical music? Why do we keep hearing it?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

It's okay. Relax.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

We are trying. We don't have a whole lot of time, so we're gonna kind of focus and try to really.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

She was my baby.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

How Dare you. We're gonna try to get to mine. Rest here. Very long. Drawn out.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Is this a custody battle?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

They were together all their life.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

I don't think so. Yeah, duh.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

See, he's gonna give you that attitude now. Is one of your babies sick?

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

That's what I thought.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Stop talking.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Anyone screaming Complicated.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Shut up.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Who's. Who's saying shut up? No, no, I'm not gonna stop. She says shut up and it's thanks.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Welcome, Steven.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay. What do you need? I'm here. There's not much time to get the story out. This is our last chance.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

You look stupid.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Watch.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Did you hear her? I swear to God, Walter's going on both wavelengths to just ridicule me. All right.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Is there something in.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

You're interrupting my meeting.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay, okay.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Is there something in the attic?

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Classical music.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Oh, yeah. There's four or five of us.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

And another thing.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

We walk around.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

What am I gonna find in the attic?

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

You don't know?

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

No, I don't know. It's why I'm asking. What am I going to find in the area?

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

You don't.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

We take care of the house and the people.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Stephen.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Ken. She said Stephen.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Make sure they're safe.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yes.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Don't make a mess near the pipe.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

What's there?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yeah.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Don't. Don't, don't, don't.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

What?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

There are four cooks.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

I'm here.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay. Walter.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Is classical music.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Is it you, Walter?

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Just a woman trying to talk in classical music. Over her.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Watch them.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

It always happens. Yep.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Oh, I just saw a face.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

What was the face? Describe it.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Steven.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Thank you.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Ask him.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yes, I'm here.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

What are we asking?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

What do we need to ask? Answer. Just say what you need to say. I'm here.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Goodbye. Bye. Steven.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

What is this noise?

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

You real angry.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

You.

[Jeffrey (Team Member - post-investigation reflection)]

You.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

What?

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

You. Steven.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

Stephen brought us here to listen to you.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

That's incredible.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Because he's so stupid. I'm going to do my best tomorrow.

[Stephen Ballew]

To tell the story.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

I don't know anything about that.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Everyone that lived in this house. I found records.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

The father.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

I found records.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Oh, no.

[Stephen Ballew]

For Walter.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

No.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

So what don't you want me to share?

[Stephen Ballew]

Tell me what you don't want me to share.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Because I'm gonna share your full story.

[Stephen Ballew]

Because it's a beautiful story.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

I have a whole thing written about how. Listen, you went from rags to I'm bored.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Yeah, we know.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

What? What would.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

I said what?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

What would you want?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Hello.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

What would make you not bored? What do you want?

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Be respectful.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Are we bothering you?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

We are.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

No smoking okay.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Are we bothering you?

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Near the pipe?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Near the pipe.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

I'm trying, but every time I talk, he talks over me. I just heard a door slam.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Children. Very clear.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay. One thing we needed to get done. Walter. I don't care if you hate me.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Or you ridicule nearby.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Walter, Relax. Kate felt you needed to too much. Kate felt that there was a disconnection between you and your wife Mary.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

I see a woman standing by the stairs.

[Stephen Ballew]

And y' all were maybe not on.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

The same plane and couldn't communicate anymore.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

No. I won't. I can't.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

So we might be able to help them from evil. We're not evil. And the things that we're doing aren't evil. It may be a perception of yours.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Because of the packages used.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

I don't know about what packages you're referring to.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Water. Very, very clear.

[Stephen Ballew]

Classical music if Mary is here, you.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Can actually say something right now and communicate to Walter.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

It's between us.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

It's between them.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

This is between us.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Mission. Okay.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Walter.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Walter junior Junior.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

It's here.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Often times.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay. Okay. So I know Walter Jr. All right. Okay.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

In the office.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Certainly. Hold on. I like the paperwork at this time. No.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

And the organization.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Real quick. We'll end it with this. I do know that Walter Jr passed again. Walter Jr passed. Classical music Walter Jr passed away. Away from here. And he was pretty young. He was working on a farm. I think with one of Yalls relatives probably. Really?

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

No.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yes. I have it in documentation.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Please.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

And he was brought. His body was back. Brought back to this house for a wake.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

55.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

I'm waiting patiently for my turn. I keep seeing this woman, like tapping my shoulder.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

I know.

[Stephen Ballew]

Who's the woman?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Is it. Is it Zero Mary?

[Stephen Ballew]

Or is it someone else?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Mary.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

I thought so.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

She said Mary. Right when I said it.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Beth.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

I'm not here to talk to you about that.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

What do you want to talk about?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

We want our voices heard.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

What?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Our stories to be told.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

You attacked me.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

To know that we can't be pushed out. And this is our home too.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Hold on. I'm going in a completely different direction.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Get out.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yeah.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

We'll fix it.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Walter. Walter.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Watch your music again.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Hash it out. Don't play the music. Hash it out.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

No, no, no.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

I see you.

[Stephen Ballew]

She sees you.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

You can't keep playing music over bad blood. What was the bad blood?

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

No, no, no, no.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

You better not.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Better not what?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Don't go down the hallway.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Hold on.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Stay here.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

I'm not going anywhere.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

It's happening. It's almost time.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay. Yeah.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

That's exciting.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Are y' all gonna move something? Y' all gonna slam a door?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

It's a group of us.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Oh. They were laughing, but in a. In a really excited way.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Standing up.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Remember what you came for. Yeah. Yeah.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Oh, I know. What do you know?

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Oh, okay.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

So interesting.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Evil.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

I'm not scared.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

It's like they're talking to each other.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Go.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Classical music should we tap it out?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

No. I want to see what this is.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Wait. Female voice Just stay Female voice.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

So Meg went into the hallway.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Oh, like a. Like a moan. A low moan. As a male.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

What are you. What are you gonna do?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

There's three of us.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Who. Who's the three?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Oh, you know.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

You'll be back.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

I believe it's you, Mary. Walter.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Yeah. Right.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yeah. And I'm not sure on the third. Do we need.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

We'll see.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Do we need to know more about this third person? Walter. Tell us.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

But even then, you'll never know.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

We've already said this.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Have I said it? Is it Junior?

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Yeah, we'll try.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Junior wouldn't be here, would he?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

The fireplaces are nice.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Is the. Is the name Edward significant?

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

We'll see. I can't talk right now anyway, because this is stupid.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

It's time. What time?

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Actually, you're stupid.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

What?

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Classical music playing I can't hear you. Oh, fuck. Their words, that one.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Okay.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Who's here?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Wow. Who are you talking to?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

They're talking to each other, not me.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Classical music that's fucked up.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

Interlopers.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Is this still Walter? Yeah. Okay.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Try hard.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

I forgot how off that is.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

What's your name? Tell me the truth.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Off the balcony.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

Who are you?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

I just saw a woman walk in front of me. She walked like this.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Are you fucking serious?

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

Yes. Tell me your name.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

What's your name?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Calm down.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

She's telling me to calm down. Say the word. Apple.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

She's not that serious.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

And we'll stop.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Something like that.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Yeah. Say Apple, and we'll stop.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Like those types of people.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Apple.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Why are you so angry?

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

And we'll stop.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

See, she's responding to.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

What the fuck?

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Can we just live in cheese?

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Just say the word.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

He.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Shut up.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

I think she's talking to him.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

That should be illegal.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

It is illegal.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

It is illegal.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Somebody's here. I can feel somebody walking around right.

[Jeffrey (Psychic Medium)]

Here like some cranky old married couple.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Well, that might be what they want.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

It could be me, the children, right now.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Why are you so upset?

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

No classical music I miss my bed.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

All right.

[Franklin (Skeptic Team Member)]

Countdown.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

10, 10, 9, 8. Ooh.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

I'm scared. Classical music I hate you.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

I hate you. 2, 1, 0.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Stupid head.

[Stephen Ballew]

I love you, Walter.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

I don't have any animals.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

You have no spine. Oh, my God.

[Stephen Ballew]

I love Walter so much.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay, we're going to. We're. I'm going to tell your story.

[Stephen Ballew]

Despite what all the things little girls.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Okay. I had a lot of fun. Thank you, Walter. There's no hate here.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

We tried.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

I think he just having fun. I'll be honest, Dude. That was hilarious. Dude. I'm crying. I think that was his personality. I wish I knew more about him. A lot of Walter's personality came through on this one.

[Stephen Ballew]

But I couldn't tell what was going.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

On in your side because it was like she was trying to get through.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

She was so annoyed.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

He. And they were. Y' all were arguing back and forth. Were they really? Yeah. You all were literally cussing each other out. And you'd be like, no, I'm not gonna.

[Stephen Ballew]

He said, shut up.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

You said, I'm not gonna shut up, or whatever. Like, it was like, back and forth. But then Walter started attacking me and Franklin and really calling us a lot of names. Yeah.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Yeah. She got so irritated. She was like, I'll just wait. That's how.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

I just don't know.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

But I think it's because he's so smart.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yeah.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

He's able to, like, manipulate things.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yeah.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

And make it happen. And so she's like, fine, I'll just wait till you get your temper tantrum out.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

He was pretty, like, agitated for a little while, but then he got more funny.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

The craziest thing was that, like, I mean, it's radio. You shouldn't really be hearing cursing.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Yeah. And you were hearing it clear. Like. Like.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Like, what the. I was like, what?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

I've never heard anything like that on there. That's crazy.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

It was.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

And you really were hearing that, like, clear. Yeah. That's wild.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Like, physically hearing it. I was just repeating it the way.

[Stephen Ballew]

He was saying it.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

I'll have to edit it and send it to you so you can hear it all.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

Mostly male. What's a female talking every once in a while?

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

I don't know what we need to share with Harry. I don't want to share all that with him, but I just need to.

[Kate (Psychic Medium)]

Share that a lot of the drama and things that they're feeling are energies between the spirits and not necessarily because.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Of what's going on. And I think.

[Stephen Ballew]

I think I like what you said.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Because it matched with what Jeffrey said, is that their lives are somewhat interrupted. Like, they're living their life, and then it feels somewhat interrupted by them. But I don't know if there's a thing we can do that harmonizes the business with their life at all.

[Stephen Ballew]

First off, I want to apologize for all the language and our reactions. As you know, that's not really our style. We don't sensationalize moments. But what we were experiencing in that final session honestly blew us all away. This older male presence who carried a bit of an attitude and seemed to be leaning into it once he realized he was getting reactions, was unlike anything I've ever encountered before. He responded directly to our questions, often sharply and with clear frustration, especially toward me. There were more moments that felt distinctly like Walter. Short, impatient replies, interruptions from classical music overriding other voices.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Voices.

[Stephen Ballew]

And most interestingly, what appeared to be a kind of back and forth between Alexis and Kate. At times, it almost sounded like they were arguing. Despite being blindfolded and in completely altered states, I've rarely seen that kind of consistent interaction carry through multiple sessions and across different combinations of people. Now, I've said this before, but it's important to note again, Alexis was under the Estes method, and we had the AM radio scanning in his ears. That's a channel where obscene language is prohibited. And yet, throughout not just this session, but others, Franklin's, Kate's, we heard profanity come through. This final session in particular was riddled with it, and much of it directed at us. But strangely, it didn't feel malicious. It sounded like that, but it felt more like someone who realized the more provocative they were, the more attention they got, and so they leaned into that. Whether that's truly Walter is still up for debate, especially when you consider some of the more modern language you heard. Jeffrey did have some final thoughts on that, which I'll share from our final recap call shortly. But sadly, our time at Fredo ATX had come to an end. This case felt more like a journey of exploration than one of resolution. But for me and the team, it was one of the most rewarding investigations we've ever done. To work with three gifted psychic mediums in a place so vibrant with life, both past and present, was something special.

[Interviewer/Investigator (possibly Stephen or team member)]

Fredo ATX is not just a cafe.

[Stephen Ballew]

Inside a historic home. It's a space layered with emotion, memory, and presence. And while we didn't walk away with direct answers about what the spirits might want, the validations we received and the patterns that emerged gave us confidence in at least one thing. We do believe Mr. And Mrs. Tips are still here, watching over the home they spent so much of their lives in in. Before closing the case entirely, though, I wanted to get some final thoughts from two members of my team. After a whirlwind of late nights and fast turnarounds, I finally checked in with Jeffrey and Alexis once everything had settled.

[Jeffrey (Team Member - post-investigation reflection)]

There was just a lot of life in that house. I felt like there were times when we were picking up on residuals, other times when there were intelligent spirits, especially with Mr. Tiff. But there were times when I felt like some of the things that I was seeing, it was almost like we were opening a window and just sort of looking back through time. And I know that sounds sort of sci fi, but that's really what it felt like. It didn't feel as much like a residual as it was like we were getting a glimpse of the life that that family lived in that house. It's hard to describe. It was just a sort of a change in the energy that I felt, but I, you know, I didn't ever pick up on. No one was locked up in the attic and there was no great tragedy. I mean, they, I think, lost more than one child. I wanted to ask about that, but, you know, people still die. You know, people still lose children. It wasn't like anyone was buried in the basement or anything. It was none of that kind of overly dramatic stuff that, that we've encountered in other places. I mean, things do happen. But I really just think that that house is just so full of energy and memories and life that it. It continues to go on. It's just embedded in there. The other thing, I do think that Mr. Tibbs is still there. I think maybe some of the words and language he uses, maybe it's because he's observed and picked up, but I didn't get the feeling that it was one of those, you know, like where you don't know you're dead. I think he knows that he's passed, but he's still very invested in that house. I think he's interested in what they're doing as a business. But one of the main things that I. And I've encountered this in a lot of different places, in a lot of other investigations that I've been witnessed to or seen on tv, where they speak to someone the way they would speak to them now, calling him by his first name and almost making a joke out of him. This is the man who built the house. He was a very important person. He comes from a different time. His name is Mr. Tips. And I think that some of the friction and Some of those banging noises and some of the other things like that might be his frustration with the kind of disrespect. You know, he's. He's not haunting the house so that they can make a. An attraction out of it. He's there because it's still his home and he doesn't want to go yet. And I think that if there was some more, and that's, you know, something I wanted to talk to the owners about. It was how they approach it. And I don't think anyone's being mean on purpose, but I really felt like that was kind of a sticking point. And that's why I always try to refer to him as Mr. Tips, Mrs. Tips. And we've come across spirits like that on some other investigations that we've done, like at Pioneer Farms in the Bell house. You know, I walked in, I took my hat off, I introduced myself to Mrs. Bell. I was very polite to her. You have to approach them that way. That's who they are. And so I think that maybe seeing him almost as a silent partner, because I think he's very interested and I think he enjoys it when they're successful. But again, I just got the, the vibe that maybe some of that friction and some of the spooky things were just that frustration from that. But he's definitely the strongest spirit there, which is why I think, you know, he. I know he loved music, and the music kept droning other people out during the, the Gonsfeld and the Estes method. I mean, I think a couple of times I actually heard music, not even when I was under, you know, and I think that's just his force of personality. I don't think that it was that he was an overbearing, cruel person. He was just. He was the man of the house. He was the master of the house, you know, and it was. Every time I got an impression of the wife, of her, I. She was. She seemed very fine. She was, I think, quieter, the quieter of the two. But she was a loving wife, very deeply loving mother, which is why I think I picked up on the sadness of losing one of the children, if not more. But again, it's. There's just a whole lot that happened in that house. There's a whole lot still going on in that house, but a lot of it is just day to day stuff, you know, but he's there. It's. It's his house. You know, he still wants to make sure things are running smoothly, and he probably looks over their shoulders in the office occasionally. And things like that. But, you know, he's. I think they should just treat him more like either like a silent partner or a mentor, you know, an elder advisor, something. Let him be part of it Instead of just, you know, the ghost down the hallway. And I think that the energy might change.

[Alexis (Psychic Medium)]

One of the things I really enjoyed.

[J]

About Fredo atx Is just the fact that the owners were so open to the idea of allowing us in there, but also because they are open to the idea of us helping the spirits that are there. I feel like a lot of what is happening with the house itself because of the location and it being moved, it essentially just picked up a lot of spirit activity along the way. Because you have to understand, this is something we talk about a lot in previous cases. Even that spiritual activity can kind of be brought up through certain areas, Like a spider house, where there's just a lot of spiritual movement. And if you have this house that already has some activity being moved down one of the most famous streets in Austin, it's going to pick something up. And so I feel like it did pick some things up along the way, which is why we're not getting just a few spirits that are connected to the house with possible other spirits. And the other aspect to that is that you have an extremely busy crossroads, which is where we have a lot of paranormal activity as well, of spirits being picked up from that movement. So I think that that's a big part of what's going on. Another part, I think, just kind of in general, is I feel like the spirits that exist in the house Exist on different timelines almost, or, like, different wavelengths, that they're not able to see each other Very similar to, like, the case at the clay pit. And so I think that they just kind of need to all get on the same page. So when we go there to do ceremony, I think the best thing that I could do or offer Would be to do a ceremony to kind of get them on the same page, but also do a ceremony to kind of have them, you know, let the ones that need to go go and let the ones that need to stay stay and give them the option, essentially, to do good and to help or give the ones that are not doing good the option to either be better or leave.

[Stephen Ballew]

As we bring this case to a close, One truth remains. We didn't walk away with clear answers about what these spirits want, but maybe that's okay. Not every haunting is a mystery that needs solving. Sometimes it's simply just stories that need telling at Fredo, atx a beautiful historic home turned cafe. There have certainly been some startling moments. Doors rattling, unexplained sounds and fleeting sensations. But overall, nothing here suggests me malice. If anything, the activity seems to carry one consistent thread, the desire to be seen, heard and remembered. Before my final reflections on Walter and Mary, I want to take a moment to acknowledge the other presences that surfaced, in this case, those whose stories remain elusive but no less important. Walter Jr. S name came through clearly in several sessions and his presence was felt by more than one one psychic. But we still can't say for certain if he lingers here. He died at the age of 16 while staying with relatives on a ranch. And although his body was returned to this house for a week, there's no solid evidence that his spirit remains as an active presence here. The children we sensed throughout this investigation were even more difficult to identify. The reported ages varied and none matched. The two children of Walter and Mary Clara died as an infant before the house was built. In Walter Jr. S circumstances don't align with what was described either. So for now, we believe the children may not be tied to the Tips family at all. Possibly passersby or spirits connected to the land, not the structure. We also encountered a younger female energy, one that felt distinctly different from Mary. This presence seemed more emotionally charged, even oppressed. She reacted strongly to the male presences in the home, and there were moments when her voice was interrupted or overshadowed, sometimes, interestingly, by classical music, something deeply associated with Walter. While we never learned her name or full story, it was clear she was reluctant to share more. She too may be a passerby or someone with a deeper hidden history tied to the land itself. And then there was the possible Edward. We're never sure on the name the male presence of since most strongly downstairs. At first we considered Walter's brother Edward, but he passed long before this house was constructed. A more promising clue came through a recent discovery by my father, a man named Edward Erickson, a 47 year old coachman listed in the 1910 census as living in this home. Walter died just a year later. Could this be the male presence our team was sensing? We don't know. But I plan to continue working with Alexis and the team beyond this series to see if further insight or spiritual work might bring peace to the space and harmony between its living and departed residents. Now, turning Back to the two spirits we feel most confident about, Mr. And Mrs. Tips. Based on the consistent validations, names, impressions, emotional tones, we believe both Walter and Mary are still here. Walter came through with force. His Presence felt intelligent, sometimes sharp, but not hostile. If anything, his tone seemed more frustrated, maybe even playful. It's possible he's tired of being the target of speculation. Maybe what he really wants is acknowledgment and inclusion in this new chapter of the home he once called his own. And as for Mary, it felt like she was gently stepping out from the shadows. While Walter's legacy is well documented, Mary's story has been largely forgotten. And yet, through our sessions, she asked to be remembered, to have her name spoken, her presence felt. She deserves her place in the history of this home just as much as her husband. And even though the records on her were very scarce, I do have a few things of hers I'd like to take the time to share now. Johanna. Mary Jane Pierce was born on August 11, 1848, in Jackson County, Texas, and married Walter Tips on February 1, 1867. The two built a life together that spanned more than five decades, one rooted deeply in family, community and this home. Mary lived here from 1876 until 1921, and over the course of that time, she gave birth to six children, five of whom she raised within these very walls. She opened this home to them even into their adulthood. When her daughter was widowed, she moved her and her grandkids back in. And even in Mary's final days, she was on a journey to see her son Eugene, who was living in France. That's where Mary actually passed, at his side, in a foreign land far from home. But she didn't remain there. Her body was lovingly accompanied back to this house at 3307 W. Seventh St. By her son Eugene, and three trunks of her belongings. The record of her return lists her daughter Julia and her husband Adolf, along with her daughter Laura, the one who was widowed, all still living in this home. In many ways, it seems Mary never really left this place. The birth and raising of her children, the lingering loss of her infant daughter Clara, the wake for her teenage son, Walter Jr. Her, her husband's final days in passing in this very home. Even the wake for Walter's own mother was held here. It becomes clear that this house was a vessel for the deepest parts of Mary's life. Her family, her love, and even her grief. It makes perfect sense, then, that Mary would be so strongly tied to this home and perhaps even to death itself. Not in a frightening way, but in a way that speaks to devotion, to memory, to presence. And while so little survives in the written record about her life, I'd like to believe what my psychics felt and described that Mary was a kind, nurturing soul, a devoted wife and mother, a woman who held her family close even across oceans. And if she still lingers here, it's not to haunt, but to remain with the people and place that shaped her most. Maybe now, alongside the name of her husband that so often escapes people's lips when they speak of the history and haunts of this beautiful home, people will now whisper hers. Thank you for letting us share your stories, Mr. And Mrs. Tips. Thank you Walter and Mary. Thanks for listening to this episode of the Night Owl Podcast. Be sure to join us for hour an new episode on July 28th. Don't forget to visit the night owlpodcast.com for info and tickets to our big annual event, the Spirit social, happening on Halloween 2025. 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