The Day U2 Put Music On Our Phones & 8 Mile

Summary

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The Nightly — “The Day U2 Put Music On Our Phones & 8 Mile”

Host: Hatch Podcasts
Guests/Co-hosts: Jackie (A), Josh (B)
Release Date: February 2, 2026

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Episode Overview

This cozy late-night edition of The Nightly blends relaxing chat with warm nostalgia, focusing on pop culture moments centered around music, technology, and transformative movies. Hosts Jackie and Josh reminisce about truly awe-inspiring natural wonders before delving into two iconic moments from the 2000s: U2's infamous automatic iPhone album drop and the cultural earthquake caused by Eminem's semi-autobiographical film, 8 Mile. The episode is a gentle, humorous conversation designed to help listeners unwind for bed.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Awe of Nature & Making Memories (00:41–09:13)

• Grand Canyon & the Northern Lights:
  The episode opens with Jackie and Josh sharing fond memories about breathtaking natural phenomena, including the recent unusual visibility of the Northern Lights in the U.S., which Jackie attributes to the sun's 11-year solar maximum.
  • “Have you ever seen the Northern lights?” — Jackie, [01:05]
  • “It lives up to the hype. It's stunning.” — Recounting a friend’s reaction, [02:24]
• Grand Canyon Experience:
  Both hosts tell stories of visiting the Grand Canyon, reflecting on their changed perceptions and sensory memories—especially temperature changes from day to night and star-filled skies.
  • “Like, I remember...walking up to the areas where you can like check out the Grand Canyon and like starting to lose my breath.” — Jackie, [04:25]
  • “I remember being kind of like, oh, sure, I guess we'll go see a big crack in the ground...And I was like, nope, you were right. I did need to see this with my own eyes in person.” — Josh, [05:34]
• Desert Nights vs. Humid Heat:
  The hosts share comedic takes on climate and nighttime temperatures, with references to famous basketball player Dikembe Mutombo and the cultural quirks attached to different kinds of heat.
  • “I used to have this character...Dikembe Mutombo...It's so hot. You go outside when it's night and you look at the moon and you get moon burned.” — Jackie, [07:06]

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2. Pop Culture Time Machine: U2’s 2014 iPhone Album Drop (09:14–16:14)

• Setting the Scene:
  The hosts play a game, taking each other back to significant pop culture moments, starting with Josh’s pick: U2’s 2014 Songs of Innocence iPhone album incident.
  • “I would like to take you back to September 9, 2014, when the U2 album, Songs of Innocence was downloaded automatically by, I think, every iPhone, the world, and people did not care for that.” — Josh, [09:20]
• Public Backlash and Perception:
  They discuss the bizarre anger that swept iPhone users and the cringe of receiving unwanted music.
  • “How demoralizing would it feel as a band to be like, we gave millions of people free music and they deleted it. Furious. They're so mad.” — Jackie, [10:22]
  • “I guess it felt like there was this idea of, like, this is my domain. You know what I mean? Like, this is. I should have control over this...How dare you, Bono, how dare you do this to us?” — Josh, [12:18]
• Comparisons to Modern Streaming Era:
  Jackie points out that with streaming, a 2014-style incident would barely register now.
  • “If this were to happen in 2025, I don't think people would be upset. I don't think it'll ever happen again.” — Jackie, [13:38]
  • “Most people have music streaming services and we get most of our music for free nowadays…” — Jackie, [13:54]
• Music, Commercials, and Cultural Shifts:
  Josh draws parallels to changing attitudes about artists doing commercial deals or surprise album drops, referencing Jay-Z’s Magna Carta partnership and the Beyoncé surprise-album era.
  • “Like, it's almost like seeing a band do like an ad for Mustard…And then DJ Mustard did that this year, last year.” — Josh, [14:29]
• Notable Moment:
  The hosts joke about bringing back pay-per-text to force people to call each other more.
  • “Honestly, I think they should not...We'll get back to the U2 of it all, but I do think we should bring back text messages costing money. Because maybe it'll force us to start talking to each other more.” — Jackie, [11:37]

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3. 8 Mile and the Music-Movie Crossover (16:28–23:21)

• Eminem’s 8 Mile Phenomenon:
  Jackie recalls the profound impact of 8 Mile and its authentic depiction of hip hop culture—a critical moment for both music and film.
  • “I've been thinking about when 8 Mile came out and just, like, how, like, relevant and prevalent that was, not only in the music world, but in the movie world as well.” — Jackie, [16:28]
• Authenticity and Crossover Success:
  Discussion of Eminem’s real-life parallels to his character and the rarity of an artist both acting well and creating their biggest song for a film at the height of success.
  • “I always find it interesting when an artist who is like, three, four albums deep has hits that...could say, like, man, that was one of the biggest hits of all time, and still release a song that becomes the biggest hit they ever had.” — Jackie, [18:26]
• Oscar Glory and Popular Legacy:
  The pair note that “Lose Yourself” won an Oscar (Best Original Song) and spawned its own kind of pop culture, from memes to the Mom’s Spaghetti restaurant in Detroit.
  • “He has a little restaurant in Detroit called Mom's Spaghetti.” — Josh, [20:21]
• The Rapper-to-Actor Pipeline:
  Reflecting on why Eminem didn’t follow other successful hip hop artists (like Ice Cube, Tupac, or LL Cool J) into full-time acting. Jackie surmises that 8 Mile’s cultural impact is stronger because Eminem largely left movies alone after his genuine, one-off hit.
  • “Usually when a hip hop artist does it and the movie is good, they transition to becoming a movie star...And he didn't. He didn't take that.” — Jackie, [22:19]
  • “Do young people...know that [LL Cool J] was a music artist?” — Josh, [22:25]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On U2’s Album Drop:
  “How dare you put something on my phone that I didn't ask for which. Look, that's fair.” — Jackie, [10:51]
• On Changing Music Tech:
  “Your phone comes preloaded with a bunch of stuff, like, as soon as you take it out of the box, which is funny to me.” — Jackie, [10:59]
• On 8 Mile’s Cultural Impact:
  “Eminem earned that song...because it was just like, all right, we know the Eminem that we know. We know your story at this point...But then we got to see it, and then, like, Lose Yourself was like, oh, it made you start to feel like what it felt to actually say, like, this is my ticket out.” — Jackie, [19:34]
• On the Rapper-Actor Evolution:
  “I think also kind of helps 8 Mile's cultural relevance...Usually when a hip hop artist does it and the movie is good, they transition to becoming a movie star...He didn't take that. He stopped. Yeah. Which I think is dope.” — Jackie, [22:19]

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Highlighted Timestamps

• 00:41–09:13 — Stories about the Northern Lights, Grand Canyon, and climate quirks
• 09:14–16:14 — U2’s 2014 iPhone album debacle; the psychology of unwanted digital gifts
• 16:28–23:21 — Discussion of 8 Mile, Eminem’s career, “Lose Yourself,” and the artist-actor tradition

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Tone & Style

True to the show’s mission, the episode is laid back, humorous, gently nostalgic, and friendly—a virtual pillow fort for pop culture lovers to unwind and reminisce. Jackie and Josh’s banter is light, warm, and peppered with witty asides and relatable reflections on technology, music, and youth.

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Summary

This episode meanders from starry skies and desert nights to music’s most unexpected gifts (and gaffes), all the way to the underdog magic of 8 Mile. Hosts Jackie and Josh invite listeners to wind down with nostalgia, laughter, and a few lovingly-remembered cringes from pop culture’s recent past.

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Transcript

[A]

Hello. You're about to drift into an episode of the Nightly a podcast designed to help you unwind and relax. For the full phone free Immersive light experience, visit Hatch Co. Enjoy. Hey there everybody out there, this is.

[B]

Jackie and I'm Josh. Welcome to the Night Leaf from Hatch, a slumber party for pop culture lovers.

[A]

What's up, Josh? How are you?

[B]

I'm good, thanks. How are you doing?

[A]

I'm feeling great tonight, you know, feeling cozy, feeling sleepy, already feeling ready to go to bed, so I'll talk until I doze off.

[B]

That sounds like a great plan. It's beginning dark where I live. I mean, I think a lot of places in the US at least around 5pm so by 8, I'm like, this is the middle of the night.

[A]

Yeah. It gets too dark too early. I also. Have you ever seen the Northern lights?

[B]

So I've seen photos recently, but I've never seen them in person. Have you?

[A]

Yeah, no, I've seen. And I thought it was always something that was just in other parts of the world, not here in America where we are. And we've been seeing like, it in Chicago and in other parts of the world. And I'm like, oh, it's. It's everywhere. Has that always been the case?

[B]

I don't know. That's such a good question. Because a couple of years ago I was in Seattle and my friend who I was hanging out with was like, oh, my girlfriend and I are going to drive outside the city to see the northern lights. But even that's like, you know, kind of about as far north as you can get in the United States and like, kind of remote geographically, but people I've seen pictures from like Chicago and like Iowa and Minneapolis and I'm like, very jealous.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Especially when it's from the city that I'm from. I'm like, how come. How come you couldn't do that when I was there? I lived there for decades.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This is not cool. Yeah, that's cool.

[B]

It is cool. And it's like, I'm. I talked to a friend who saw it in person recently and she was like, it lives up to the hype. It's stunning.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which is so cool.

[A]

It's really cool. So I'm, you know, because there's one thing people can say about Jaikis is Jacques likes to be well read. So like I. I'm looking in the pillow for an encyclopedia.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it actually says like, the auroras, they've been happen more frequently in the United States and will continue apparently it's because the shimmering colors of the sun reaches its peak after an 11 year cycle and it's at a solar maximum. Yeah. So you know, the winds are getting closer to Earth, so we're just seeing it in more places like the Midwest instead of where normally you've seen it, which is near the Arctic Circle. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

It is cool. I hope it gets closer. I like, I think I would go a couple hours from home to see, but I don't think I would like, I don't know that I would get on a plane to look at the northern lights specifically.

[A]

No, no, no. Unless I'm going to that place to actually vacate for a while.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

[A]

Yeah. But I would, I would drive a few hours to see it and be in nature and do your thing.

[B]

Yeah, that sounds really nice. I was gonna ask like, what are some of the. Cause for me it's the Grand Canyon of like. Oh, sure. I've seen pictures and that's cool. And then I saw it in person and was like, oh, oh, this is really magnificent. Do you have anything like that where you're just like, oh, wow. Nature. Really? They really did their thing with this one.

[A]

Yeah. I mean the Grand Canyon is definitely one I remember like there's a couple core memories from just the Grand Canyon in general because like it was when I was moving to Los Angeles from Chicago and we were making that drive and of course we had to stop in the Grand Canyon. Right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I remember like parking and then walking up to the areas where you can like check out the Grand Canyon and like starting to lose my breath. And then like all of us, like around the same time, it was like, is everybody else having trouble breathing? It was like, yeah, okay, cool, cool, cool. Like it's just a change in elevation.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, right. It's not. My body isn't shutting down.

[A]

I'm not passing away.

[B]

I'm not allergic to canyons.

[A]

Yeah, so that was funny. And then like I remember and I was with my mom at the time and my partner I moved out with and her dad. And I remember when we got there in the daytime and when it turned to night, I've never felt like the temperature drop like that. I'd never experienced that in my life. Like it truly felt like somebody flipped a switch and it went from 80 plus degrees to 40 and almost like a minute flat when the sun went down. It was insane. And then I have never seen that many stars in the sky so beautiful. Up until that point in my life at All. It was so gorgeous. It's something my mom still talks about how she's never seen that.

[B]

That's really nice. What a good thing to get to do together.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

I went with my folks, too, and my. My sister, and we. I was. I remember being kind of like, oh, sure, I guess we'll go see a big crack in the ground. I was like, 22. I was a jerk. And we went. And I was like, nope, you were right. I did need to see this with my own eyes in person.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I. I similarly love that desert. Like, hot day, cool night. It's just like. It feels. It feels like it should get cold at night.

[A]

Yeah, 100%. I. Look, I'm used to that now.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I don't know if I'll ever experience it in that way where you could just. You could, like, actively feel the degrees drop.

[B]

Totally. No, I know just what you mean.

[A]

Yeah. But, like, you know, now I live. You know, we live in the tropical desert here in Los Angeles, but, like, it's still a desert, so we get, you know, the dry heat instead of the humidity that I grew up in. So. But that was my first time really experiencing that.

[B]

It's so different because even in, like. Like other tropical places, like Florida, where it's similarly warm during the day, like you said, it has that humidity. So the light fades, and you're like, why does it still feel so sweaty here?

[A]

Yeah, man. Why am I still sweating when the moon is up? Like, you know, like, I used to have this character. I used to have this character. There's this basketball player named Dikembe Mutombo.

[B]

Of course. Rest in peace.

[A]

Yeah, Rest in peace. And he had this really funny voice. And.

[B]

Hello.

[A]

Like, he would talk like that, and I would do this character, and I would always talk about how easy Americans have it. Cause it's so, like, hot in Africa. And I was like, it's so hot. You go outside when it's night and you look at the moon and you get moon burned. Like, you get sunburned.

[B]

Do you know the story? This may be a little too risque, but it's so funny to me that I have to bring it up. The story about. He played college basketball at Georgetown, I believe. And he would go into a bar on campus because big, you know, star athlete on campus. Everybody knew who he was, and he was seven feet tall. And he would just come in to go, who Will Sex Mutumbo.

[A]

Is the.

[B]

Urban legend I've heard about him.

[A]

Who Will Sex Mutumbo?

[B]

And then he did all sorts of, like, great humanitarian work after he played. He's like, a great dude.

[A]

That's so funny. Yeah. I love Dikembe Mutombo and that Finger Wag.

[B]

One of the greats.

[A]

Yeah, one of the greats. But, yeah, the heat at night is cruel.

[B]

I like a cool night. That's what I love. When I visit the Southwest and I visit Los Angeles, I love that part where I'm like, oh, it's hot now, but when I go out tonight, it'll be cool. And the other nice thing is when you get up in the morning, you can go for a nice little walk before the sun is.

[A]

Before the sun really gets there.

[B]

That's really nice.

[A]

Yeah, that's the best part. That's the best part. I love that. I love that. And speaking of, like, all the things that I love, it has me feeling a little nostalgic for other moments in time that I've loved. So how about we take a ride on this pop culture time machine and we talk about some music moments in pop culture history that are relevant to us that we want to take each other back to.

[B]

Of course.

[A]

And, Josh, I always love what you have musically. So tell me a moment in time you would like to experience.

[B]

Okay. This one. Now, this one wasn't one of the great moments in music history, but I do think about it constantly. And so I want to revisit and hear your experience of this, because I would like to take you back to September 9, 2014, when the U2 album, Songs of Innocence was downloaded automatically by, I think, every iPhone, the world, and people did not care for that.

[A]

Yeah, people were mad about that, which is so funny to me now.

[B]

Like, it is so funny.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I also remember being mad.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think, like, it's so funny, too. 1. I. At that point, I was a part of the galaxy at the Android family, so I didn't experience. I escaped it. Yeah. I didn't have an iPhone at the time, so I didn't get to join into the rage that everyone felt. But I also just how. How demoralizing would it feel as a band to be like, we gave millions of people free music and they deleted it.

[B]

Furious. They're so mad.

[A]

It's so funny.

[B]

And it also wasn't even that. It was like, I don't think the album was great, but people weren't like, we hate this music. They were just like, how do you. How dare you, Bono, how dare you do this to us?

[A]

How dare you put something on my phone that I didn't ask for which. Look, that's fair.

[B]

Although, like, it is fair.

[A]

Your phone comes preloaded with a bunch of stuff, like, as soon as you take it out of the box, which is funny to me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And also, this is at the time when, you know, memory on your phone was still precious.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

You know, we was probably only a few years from still having minutes.

[B]

That's right. We remembered the minutes era and we didn't. We couldn't go back. We said, we're not going back to minutes. We're like the per text message fees.

[A]

Or per text message fees. You gotta pay per fee.

[B]

I would be bankrupt if I had to pay per text message fees, but I would also end every month with 1,000 minutes left over.

[A]

Yeah, seriously. Honestly, I think they should not. We'll get back to the YouTube of it all, but I do think we should bring back text messages. Cost him money. Because maybe it'll force us to start talking to each other more.

[B]

This is an incredible take. I love this.

[A]

Like, we were like, oh, we gotta pay the text. Nah, brother, call me, Call me.

[B]

Five cents apiece. Just five cents just to send, like, smiley face. Mm. Mm. Not worth it.

[A]

Now we say what we got to say on text, and we want to just, you know, shoot. Shoot the breeze. You can call me up.

[B]

Yeah. Listen to my voice.

[A]

Yeah. So you were. So this happened to you? So you were mad?

[B]

Yeah, I was mad.

[A]

What were you feeling? What were you feeling? Why were you mad?

[B]

I guess it felt like there was this idea of, like, this is my domain. You know what I mean? Like, this is. I should have control over this. This is my device, and it's under my purview. And then for you two to go, like, here we are. I was like, you two. I don't. I don't care about you like that. No offense to the band, who is like, hall of Fame Rock and Roll hall of Fame band. Sure, a lot of great songs. Not, like, a favorite of mine, But I understand the magnitude of U2 and what they mean to people. But then. And honestly, if it had been like, U2's classic albums, that something is like a promotion. But to be like, I don't even. I haven't heard these songs. I don't care about them. I don't know that I would ever listen to this. So I was, like, a little cranky about it. So you being exempt from it. How do you feel as an outsider? Were you seeing other people and, like, Android would never do this to me.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, especially then the iPhone versus Android war was. Was great. But I do remember this 100% and I didn't have a feeling about it. I just thought it was funny. I thought it was wild too. But now, if this were to happen in 2025, I don't think people would be upset. I don't think it'll ever happen again.

[B]

I don'. People would notice.

[A]

No, because, like, also, I guess in 2014, like, Spotify was a thing and we were. But we were still doing, like, itunes was still really a thing. People were buying stuff. You buy it out there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So now we get everything. You know, most people have music streaming services and we get most of our music for free nowadays, or not for free, but we pay a monthly cost.

[B]

And the subscription model. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

So I think now people wouldn't even, like, clock it if it were to happen, so.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

But yeah, I think it was funny.

[B]

It also feels maybe like it was a time and maybe we're still in this time where it felt less cool for a band to be like, we're aligned with Phone.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

Like, it's almost like seeing a band do like an ad for Mustard where you're like, and then DJ Mustard did that this year, last year.

[A]

I know. Now Kendrick. Now Kendrick and now Mustard, which, like, look, we're here. That's where we are right now. That's where we are.

[B]

It's just kind of that idea of a band going like, oh, yeah, we're the official band of. Before you take off on the plane, the plane plays our music and you're like, oh, even if I didn't dislike this before, I'm annoyed by it now.

[A]

Yeah. I also think there's something to the fact that I think also around this time is when like the Beyonce's and the Jay Zs of the world were starting to release, like, surprise albums as well. Like Lemonade or Beyonce or Magna Carta, and they were releasing them and like. Cause I'm almost sure, like, Jay Z actually released Magna Carta for free on all Galaxy phones.

[B]

I think you're right.

[A]

But he told people it was happening.

[B]

That's ass.

[A]

It wasn't like a surprise. But they were also like, releasing, hey, surprise, we got an album coming out tomorrow night. So it was like a changing of the era where now that feels very, you know, we don't have, like, the CDs coming out in two months. Anticipation. Get ready.

[B]

Yeah, here's the single. And the single's gonna be on the Radio. And then you go and line up for the cd. Totally.

[A]

And we still do have that in some cases, but not as much as we used to. So, like, yeah, what an interesting time.

[B]

And it was so funny.

[A]

And I think U2 hasn't made music since then, and they was like, fine screwdriell.

[B]

Nor have they made phones. What about you? Did you have a music moment you've been thinking about lately?

[A]

You know, I've been thinking about when 8 Mile came out and just, like, how, like, relevant and prevalent that was, not only in the music world, but in the movie world as well. Like, you know, people was like, wait, is. Can Eminem act? And, like, yeah, and then Lose Yourself came out. And I. What year did 8 Mile come out?

[B]

I want to say, like, 2001 or 2002. I'm going to look it up in the pillow. Ford Encyclopedia.

[A]

Oh, no, it was. It was. It was after that. It was definitely after that. I know that because I was. I'm pretty sure I was in college when.

[B]

2002.

[A]

2002.

[B]

Yeah, because I remember being in high school, for sure.

[A]

So I was in high school. Man, that. That's wild. So 2002, this is right after the Eminem show. So Eminem is, like, at his peak, right? He's already. He's already considered one of the, like, top musicians in the hip hop game, in the music game at this point. And then up until this point, most musicians that crossed over to the acting world would do it. And it would either be like a hood movie, say, like, Ice Cube and Boyz N Hood or Tupac and Juice or DMX and Belly, or it would be, you know, like, movies that, like, weren't specifically about. No, this is a rap movie about. I'm playing a different character, but it's also closely related to my life, and it is the way that I came up. And so it was a really interesting look into, like, street hip hop culture, which, like, I know well, growing up in Chicago, like, rapping in, like, sweaty basement bars and just, like, dancing and, like, freestyle ciphers.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But then also being poor and growing up and like, looking at rap music as, like, your way out of the hood and your way out of your situation and things like that. I think it was one of the first movies that I can remember that really hit mainstream that came out like that. And then Eminem, at this point was also already so big. Like, yeah, he had hits. He had hits. And I always find it interesting when an artist who is like, three, four albums deep has hits that like, if they were to stop making music, could say, like, man, that was one of the biggest hits of all time, and still release a song that becomes the biggest hit they ever had. Yeah, right.

[B]

And Lose Yourself won the Oscar, right? For, like, Best Original Song. Yeah. Cause then he was, like, a few years ago, more recently, he was at the Oscars and performed Lose Yourself. And it was very confusing to people. But I think it was, like the 20th. 20th anniversary maybe. So it might have been 2002 or 2003. Yeah. But it's, like, huge.

[A]

Yeah, it was. It's huge. It's so huge. And it was huge then, too. Like, it was huge. When it came out, everybody. I mean, like, you were just like. It's like, Eminem earned that song. Like, you know what I'm saying? He earned that song because it was just like, all right, we know the Eminem that we know. We know your story at this point. Cause you talk about your mama all the time and Hailey and Kim, and you talk about everybody all the time. Right. We know you from Detroit. We know, like, white trash. We know all of these things that you've told us. Right. But then we got to see it, and then, like, lose Yourself was like, oh, it made you start to feel like what it felt to actually say, like, this is my ticket out. Yeah. Which I thought was really, really dope.

[B]

It's so interesting. Cause that story is, like, so. There's, like, so much rawness to it. And, like, you know, his music is so raw and gritty. And then it also has. That song has spawned. He has a. Like, a little restaurant in Detroit called Mom's Spaghetti.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

It's so funny that it's the whole thing of, like, that feeling of, like, I just have to get good enough at this so I can, like, make it out of this. These circumstances that I think otherwise, I'm gonna just be living in forever. And also, I did so well at that that I own a pasta restaurant.

[A]

I know I own a pasta restaurant. And listen, I bet you Mom's spaghetti is good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I hope everybody comes around with, like, sweaters that have, like, stains on all the waiters. Yeah. They just got Mom's spaghetti all over them. That would be funny. But, yeah, I loved. I enjoyed. I haven't seen 8 Mile in a very long time, actually. I should watch it again. But it was a moment.

[B]

He was good in it, but then didn't act very much after.

[A]

No. You. No. Which was. I also think that also kind of helps 8 Mile's cultural relevance. Is because, you know, the rapper turned actor is a very well traveled pipeline. You know, a lot of actors have done it. A lot of. But there are a lot of rappers who have done movies and because they did not have success, have not kept going. Like Jay Z was in the movie, and it was one of the worst movies I've ever seen in my life. State property.

[B]

State property.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like, so other hip hop artists have done it and tried it, but usually when a hip hop artist does it and the movie is good, they transition to becoming a movie. Yeah, they transition to becoming a movie star.

[B]

They've achieved escape velocity from the music industry.

[A]

Yeah. And he didn't. He didn't take that. He stopped. Yeah. Which I think is dope.

[B]

I was just wondering, this was like maybe a year ago, year and a half, I was like, do young people who recognize LL Cool J as like a global celebrity, do they know that he was a music artist?

[A]

No. I mean, look, I still recognize LL Cool J as a music like person because he was a music person when I was growing up. And LL Cool J been in movies since I was like 8. So he's been in movies for almost 30 years of my life.

[B]

And big TV star.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. So, like, even now, I mostly acknowledge him as an actor who is a grandfather or an OG in the music hip hop game. But like, anybody probably under the age of 25 only knows ll as a movie star or a TV star.

[B]

Totally. That's so interesting.

[A]

It is interesting.

[B]

We've really traveled through space and time tonight.

[A]

We have. We've traveled through space. We've traveled through time. We went to the northern lights and right at 8 mile, baby. Which means I think it's time for us to hit the hay. Josh, this has been fun, but I'm going to go ahead and turn on in.

[B]

Good night, Jackies.

[A]

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