The Wildest Soap Opera Plot Twists Ever

Summary

The Nightly – "The Wildest Soap Opera Plot Twists Ever"

Host: Jacques and Matt | Guest: Ira Madison III
Date: December 16, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this cozy, late-night episode of The Nightly, hosts Jacques and Matt are joined by cultural critic and podcaster Ira Madison III for a hilarious and nostalgic slumber party chat. The trio dives deep into the wildest, most unhinged plot twists in soap opera history, shares their own sleep routines, and reminisce about generational rituals of watching daytime TV. Pillow fort energy abounds as they swap outrageous stories from American and British soaps, recalling everything from supernatural possessions to memory-mapped twins, all with infectious enthusiasm and humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Getting to Know Ira & Reality TV Adventures

• Ira recounts his stint as a contestant on the reality game show The Floor (02:00–04:41). He planned to dominate the "Real Housewives" category but was blindsided by a cunning opponent:
  • Quote:
    “I was scammed, bamboozled by an ally on the show. I guess it prepared me, if I do any other show, to trust no one. But you know what? It was still pretty fun.” — Ira Madison III [02:24]
  • The experience was memorable as it was filmed in Dublin on his birthday.

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2. Sleep Rituals & the Art of Napping

• The group discusses their love of naps and how sleep schedules evolve with creative work and adulthood (04:41–09:13).
  • Ira’s take:
    “The evenings that are best for me with regard to sleep are the days where I get up early… But you know, I also, like, take naps during the day too. So I—my relationship with sleep is I love it any.” — Ira Madison III [05:05]
  • Jacques and Matt share their guilty pleasure of dozing off during afternoon sports, highlighting the subtle joys of background noise, relaxation, and generational traditions:
    • Jacques: Cubs games as a nap ritual [07:06].
    • Matt: Drifting through Sunday football [08:11].
    • Ira: Falling asleep during subtitled movies, “becoming my grandmother” [08:29].

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3. Soap Opera Fandoms: General Hospital, Days of Our Lives, and Beyond

• Origins in soap watching for all three, with stories of getting hooked by grandmothers (09:14–11:48):

  • Ira is a lifelong Days of Our Lives fan, with industry friends now on the show.

  • Jacques reveals he's a dedicated General Hospital watcher for over 15 years.

  • Quote:
    “It’s so weird… It’s weirder than watching, you know, being friends with someone who’s on a sitcom you like or a movie. Right. It’s like you are truly in my home every day.” — Ira Madison III [10:15]

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4. What Makes Soap Operas So Unhinged?

• Days of Our Lives explained: From its modest 1960s beginnings to supervillains, brainwashing, international adventures, and literal demonic possession—a progression into increasingly wild terrain (12:00–13:50).

  • Notably: The character Stefano, notorious for “dying and coming back to life many times.”

  • Quote:
    “…in the 90s, one of the characters, Dr. Marlena Evans, was possessed by the devil.” — Ira Madison III [13:08]

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5. Comparing American & British Soaps

• Matt contrasts American soap wildness with the everyday drama of British soaps, but Ira calls out UK classic Hollyoaks for its own share of explosions, plane crashes, and tangled relationships (14:11–15:14).

  • Quote:
    “Hollyoaks is a very, very incestuous kind of… It’s kind of like General Hospital. Everybody slept with everybody.” — Jacques [15:14]

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6. Soap Operas as Generational Rituals

• Discussion about the daytime TV tradition: why soaps are structured as they are, and the origins of the “soap” in soap operas (16:47–17:44).

  • Ira explains how soaps were designed for multitasking housewives, with repetition and overt exposition to help even distracted viewers follow the action.

  • Memorable Moment:
    “Every year, it’s a lot of—everybody is their first and last name all the time, because you have to know who they are.” — Jacques [17:44]

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7. The Most Unhinged Soap Plotlines

[18:46–23:33: Main Feature Segment]

• Days of Our Lives:

  • Dr. Wilhelm Rolf returns Lexi Carver from the dead; embryos are routinely swapped and lives intertwined in jaw-dropping ways.

  • Passions:

    • A character’s embryo is implanted into herself after knocking out a surrogate. When she gives birth, everyone bursts into song, literally singing the show’s theme.

      • Quote:
        “When she gave birth… they all burst into singing the theme song.” — Ira Madison III [20:04]

• General Hospital:

  • The saga of Jason Morgan: Car crash, amnesia, actor swaps, reconstructive surgery, memory-mapping, and the revelation that “Jason” is actually Jason’s long-lost twin, who has all of Jason’s memories due to science-fictional memory mapping.
    • Actor Steve Burton left, came back, the storyline conveniently recast Jason's identity.
    • Ultimately, the “other Jason” is revealed to be evil, because “one of them had to be evil eventually.” [22:55]

• Ultimate Plot-Twist Winner:

  • Days of Our Lives’ town-wide serial killer twist: Half the town is “killed off”—only to be revealed alive, held captive on an island replica of their hometown called “New Salem” (Salem spelled backwards) [23:03–23:27].

  • Quote:
    “…there was a serial killer who killed everyone in town. And then it turns out that they were not actually murdered. They were taken to a secret island called the Last One, which is New Salem written backwards.” — Ira Madison III [23:03]

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8. Closing Reflections: The Joy of Soaps

• The trio reflect on the comfort, creativity, and enduring appeal of the soap format as bedtime ritual and lifelong habit.

  • Ira thanks the hosts and plugs his essay collection, Pure Innocent Fun, where he discusses soap operas and the show Passions in detail.

  • Quote:
    “…I would love to say goodnight to my grandmother who got me into soap operas in the first place.” — Ira Madison III [24:20]

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Memorable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• “I was scammed, bamboozled by an ally on the show. I guess it prepared me, if I do any other show, to trust no one. But you know what? It was still pretty fun.” — Ira Madison III [02:24]
• “My relationship with sleep is I love it any… Nighttime, daytime, anytime. I love some sleep.” — Ira Madison III [05:54]
• “It’s so weird... you are truly in my home every day.” — Ira Madison III [10:15]
• “…in the 90s, one of the characters, Dr. Marlena Evans, was possessed by the devil.” — Ira Madison III [13:08]
• “When she gave birth... they all burst into singing the theme song.” — Ira Madison III [20:04]
• “…there was a serial killer who killed everyone in town. And then it turns out that they were not actually murdered. They were taken to a secret island called the Last One, which is New Salem written backwards.” — Ira Madison III [23:03]
• “…I would love to say goodnight to my grandmother who got me into soap operas in the first place.” — Ira Madison III [24:20]

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Notable Segments & Timestamps

• [01:43] – Ira’s reality TV adventure on The Floor
• [04:41] – Sleep routines and power of naps
• [09:14] – Soap opera origin stories & generational fandom
• [11:48] – What Days of Our Lives is all about
• [14:11] – Wild UK vs. US soap comparisons
• [16:47] – Why soap operas repeat names and product placements
• [18:46] – The craziest soap opera plots ever
• [23:33] – Roundtable wrap-up and bedtime goodnights

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Tone & Style

Conversational, playful, and full of late-night warmth; the hosts and Ira exude affection for the absurdities and comforts of soap operas, while weaving in personal stories and plenty of cross-generational references. The episode is perfect for unwinding, laughing, and rediscovering the delightfully unhinged world of soaps.

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Recommended for

Fans of pop culture, reality TV, or anyone nostalgic for soap operas—plus night owls in need of lighthearted, comforting company before bed.

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Guest Plug:
Check out Ira Madison III’s essay collection Pure Innocent Fun for more passionate writing on soap operas and pop culture.
Closing Goodnight:
“I would love to say goodnight to my grandmother who got me into soap operas in the first place.” — Ira Madison III [24:20]

Transcript

[A]

Hello. You're about to drift into an episode of the Nightly, a podcast designed to help you unwind and relax. For the full phone free immersive light experience, visit Hatch Co. Enjoy.

[B]

What is going on on this beautiful evening. I'm Jacques.

[A]

And I'm Matt.

[B]

Welcome to the Nightly. Everybody from Hatch. This is a slumber party for pop culture lovers. We got my brother from the UK on the line. How you doing, Matt?

[A]

Very well, thank you, mate. Always a pleasure to be here. I'm, yeah, I'm very, very ready to wind down tonight.

[B]

Me too.

[A]

I played five a side football once a week and that was today. And I am flat out. So I am, yeah, ready to go.

[B]

I get you. I lifted a weight today, so I'm ready to sleep for 15 hours.

[A]

Congratulations, man.

[B]

Thank you so much. Thank you so much. But you know, it's not just us, Matt. No, it's not just me and you and the Pillow. For today we have one of my favorite people. He's a very funny guy. He is a special guest. He's a podcaster, he's a cultural critic. And also I got to talk to him about an appearance he had on the floor a couple seasons ago. But please, everybody, say what's up? Say hello. Welcome to the Pillow Fort Ira Madison iii. What is up, Ira? How are you, buddy?

[C]

Good, good. It's good to see you. Yeah. The Floor, you know. Yeah. Last time I saw you, we were talking about reality tv.

[B]

We were, we were, yes, yes. And now you kind of entered into a little bit of the reality TV world. I have to talk to you about this. You were a contestant on the floor.

[C]

I was.

[B]

I watched the floor. I'm a game show person. Anybody knows that.

[C]

People watch it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I'm always shocked by the random people who stop me and I'm like, I'm always like, what are they stopping me for? You know, is it like my work or anything? It's just I saw you on the floor.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

And you lost. And I was so upset. I was so upset.

[C]

I did. I was upset. I think you can see in my episode that I was. I was scammed, bamboozled by an ally on the show. I guess it prepared me, if I do any other show, to trust no one. But you know what? It was still pretty fun.

[B]

That's awesome. For anybody who doesn't know, the Floor is a show where it's basically two people standing at a podium and they put a bunch of random pictures up and you're supposed to call and response. Every person has Their expert category. And so if you have your expert category, you're supposed to dominate that. And eventually the last person standing wins a big prize. And your expert category, if I'm not mistaken, was Beyonce.

[C]

No, it was Real Housewives.

[B]

Real Housewives.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

Real Housewives.

[C]

Beyonce was next to me, and I kept hoping I was gonna get her to challenge. I had a whole, you know, plan. Cause the whole thing is you're on this platform with 99 other people. There were a hundred contestants, and the randomizer picks people, you know, at random. And I was like, if I get picked, I'm going after Beyonce. I would win that one. And then I was going to, you know, dominate my section of the floor. But the person who got me had been pretending the whole time that they didn't know anything about Bravo. And it turns out they knew Bravo. They knew me.

[B]

They knew a lot. They knew a lot. They got you. They hustled you.

[A]

So how close did you get, Ira? Did you say that's the last. You got down to the last two?

[C]

No, because it's so random. You are. That was. I only played one duel. You know, some people play mini, some people play. And then to go back to the floor, et cetera. I only played one duel and was out, but I lasted halfway through the season.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

Okay, nice.

[C]

Yeah, Six episodes. So there's reactions from me in other episodes responding to other duels. I do get some talking heads and some jokes out, but honestly, best experience, we shot it on my birthday, and it shoots in Ireland. So I was in Dublin for a week shooting this show, and it was fantastic.

[B]

That's great.

[A]

No way.

[B]

Yes. But, Ira, one thing we always like to ask everyone that comes onto the show, since this is a podcast and a conversation and a pillow ford where we're about to knock out and go to sleep. What's your relationship with sleep? Do you have routines? Do you have tips that you can give people that they can get themselves a nice night of beauty rest and sleep?

[C]

I truly find that the evenings that are best for me with regard to sleep are the days where I get up early. You know, I'm a writer, so, you know, I am fond of getting up in the afternoon. I am fond of copious naps. But I find that the days when I get up and I start my. Either writing routine or errands or hit the gym or something, like, just sort of wear myself out early. By the end of the day, I am restful. So. But, you know, I also, like, take naps during the day too. So I. My relationship with sleep is I love it any.

[B]

Anytime you can get it, you're going to get it.

[C]

Nighttime, daytime, anytime. I love some sleep.

[A]

Afternoon naps, I find are so unappreciated now and they're so looked down on, aren't they? Oh, dude, it's such a great thing.

[C]

It's the best thing, I think, to come from being able to work from home. It's the best thing that comes from, I think, being a creative who makes your own schedule. It's. You get a lot of work done early in the morning and then it's take a little post lunch nap, you know, so you're not resting for four hours here, but you know, slight fall asleep for maybe 30 minutes to an hour and I think that's perfect.

[A]

Yeah. Do you find that helps your writing as well in the afternoon if you have a little sort of 20 minutes? I always find when I wake up, I'm a little bit more cognizant.

[C]

Yeah, it does. You start to feel it when you're drifting off, when you're feeling sort of unenergized. And I think if you're in a creative field where you have the ability to take a nap and sort of recharge yourself, that's a lot better than guzzling coffee, you know?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%.

[C]

Because then you won't be able to fall asleep later.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, that's so true.

[B]

But like, the nap is very, very helpful for me especially, you know, one of my guilty pleasures. I've never talked about this, so I grew up in Chicago and I'm a baseball fan. And if anybody knows about a baseball team, the Chicago Cubs. One thing they are very popular for and have been throughout their history is unlike most baseball teams, they play a lot of daytime games. Most teams play under the lights. But like the Cubs were like the last team to get lights in their stadium. So they play a lot of 120 games, which means midday afternoon. And one of my favorite things to do is to start a Cubs game, watch it about the fourth inning, lay on a couch, take a little siesta with the sounds of the baseball game and everything in the background. Wake up about the seventh inning and you got the end of the game, the most exciting part of the game to watch. It is truly like the most energizing thing for me and it's one of my favorite things to do. I love it.

[A]

I'm so glad you said that because I do exactly the same on a Sunday afternoon. There's Normally three football games in a row, and that's the best. Just to doze in and out of football all day.

[B]

It's beautiful. It's beautiful. Ira, do you have any daytime stuff?

[C]

I fall asleep during movies. I'm this kind of person where if I'm having, like, a lazy, like, Saturday or Sunday. Right. I will usually watch, like, something on Criterion or something. Right. So it's like a foreign film. Reading subtitles that could make you tired unless you're up early. I love a morning movie, by the way.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Because that is the best time to read. That's the best time to read books, is the best time to read subtitles. But if I'm watching something later in the afternoon, I actually. I fall asleep often, and then I wake back up and then I'm rewinding the movie to get back to where.

[B]

I was, to get to the parts.

[C]

Yeah. I'm becoming my grandmother.

[A]

I love that.

[B]

I guess I love that.

[A]

There's nothing wrong with that.

[B]

Listen, we all. We all become our grandmothers, which is a perfect segue because something that my grandma got me into, something I'm sure your grandma probably got you into, Ira. It's a good soap opera. I am a General Hospital watcher. I have not missed an episode in probably, like, 15 years.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

And so I know you are also a lover of soaps. So what are your relationships to soaps?

[C]

I'm a Days of Our Lives watcher.

[B]

Your days watcher?

[C]

Days of Our Lives watcher. Yeah. I've watched it consistently since high school. So, you know, so, like, that's been a very long time. And it's so weird. Like, I have. I'm friends with people who, like, on the show now or have been on the show just by nature of, like, meeting them in the industry.

[B]

I love that.

[C]

And it's. Yeah. It's like I watch you every day.

[A]

Every day? Yeah.

[C]

It's so weird. It's weird. It's weirder than watching, you know, being friends with someone who's on a sitcom you like or a movie. Right. It's like you are truly in my home every day.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's part of the family, aren't they, at that point? It's.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Is it literally seven days a week as well? Days of Our Lives.

[C]

Five days.

[A]

Five days. Wow.

[B]

Monday through Friday, give or take a few holidays or, you know, things like that.

[C]

Yeah. So my grandmother was a big CBS person, so I grew up with Young and Restless, Beautiful and Beautiful as the World Turns, Guiding Light, all of those classics. The Classics, you know. And I got into Days of Our Lives in, like, high school, middle school, because of Passions, if you remember, Passions on NBC with the talking doll, the witches, the supernatural, that right after Days of Our Lives, right? And I was watching it in the summer, and I just remember when I had to go back to school, I started recording Passions on VHS and taking it way back. And the first part of each episode would always sort of get the last couple minutes of Days of Our Lives. And I just remember something crazy was happening. Somebody came back from the dead and arrived at this party, and I was like, well, I gotta see what happens next. So that is how I started watching Days of Our Lives.

[B]

That's how it gets you.

[A]

I'm sorry to be ignorant with this. I feel like I'm gonna be saying this a lot this evening. Oh, you're fine. But what's the general gist of Days of Our Lives like? What's the kind of setting with that?

[C]

Days of Our Lives is set in the Midwest, sort of like around Chicago. And it's just about the families who live in this small town of Salem. And it started out with Tom and Alice Horton in, like, 1965. And Tom Horton was the chief of staff at the hospital. And so it was about just his family's life, their neighbors lives, and, like, the goings on at the hospital. And then, you know, soap operas got a bit more. The 70s was like, sort of like sexy and like psychological stories in soap operas. You know, there was a lot of. They were just a bit more like, salacious and darker, sort of like the movies and like theater and film around that period. And then the 80s was a bit more romantic swashbuckling. There were a lot of adventures. There were a lot of trips to locations where they would film in actually, like, different countries, because soap operas had these bigger budgets in the 80s. And that is when they introduced this character, Stefano Demara, onto Days of Our Lives. Who is this supervillain who has died and come back to life many times? The actor Joseph Mescalo sadly passed away maybe around 2012. So the character has not come back, except he has come back a few times. And maybe he's still alive around the world. You know, they sort of hint at that all the time so that he never dies, but he became a person who was brainwashing people, kidnapping people, holding them captive on islands. And then the show a little bit more sci fi. And then in the 90s, one of the characters, Dr. Marlena Evans, was possessed by the devil.

[A]

And so that sounds so wild to me as the soap opera. Cause it's so wild over here. It's like. It really is like cobbled streets. The big storyline of the week is, you know, the local bistro didn't get stock this week, and they're struggling, and it's all so normal.

[C]

Okay. Now, I've spent a lot of time in the UK and so I know that is not all the way true. Hollyoaks.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Hollyoaks is slightly different. Yeah.

[C]

That show is the. The. The bistro isn't running out of things. The bistro is being blown up. Every other month, there are plane crash.

[A]

Well, that's it. If you want my advice, if you're ever going to visit a British soap set, don't go at Christmas, because there will be a disaster. But it only tends to happen in December.

[C]

I follow Hollyoaks on Instagram just to see the reels of, like, updated stories from the characters that I used to watch and everything. And it is more so than any American soap, you know, where people, you know, get in and out of relationships, et cetera. I was like, the. Some of the people on that show are just. I'm like, who have you been with? They've been with everyone in the entire town at this point. And it's.

[A]

Hollyoaks is a very, very incestuous kind of.

[B]

It's very incestuous. It's kind of like General Hospital. Everybody slept with everybody. Sonny Corinthos, who is like the main character of GH now, has so many kids. He's currently. He's a mob boss, which is what I love about gh. It used to be about a hospital. Now the main storyline is the mob.

[A]

He'.

[B]

Godfather. And he's right now flirting heavily with the district attorney, which will be his third district attorney. He's turned out. And it's just beautiful. I love it. I love it. Absolutely love it.

[A]

What sort of time is that on the General Hospital one? Because I know that Hollyoaks. I don't know if they still do it, but they toyed with at one point having Hollyoaks After Dark so they could have more swearing.

[C]

I do remember Hollyoaks After Dark. Yes. It was a brief series that they did, and then that was. Yeah, yeah. There were, like, musical performances on it, too. I think that's actually where I discovered the Saturdays.

[A]

Oh, really? I didn't realize they did music on it.

[C]

Yeah, well, they ran into the Saturdays, I believe, when they were trying to get to a concert, of course. So it was just a cameo appearance.

[B]

Gotcha Gotcha. Most of the time they're on daytime.

[A]

Oh, they're daytime?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. They're usually. Cause you know your grandmas are watching. So as you watch the prices.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Then the soaps come on, and then by that time, you're back home from school. And then like the primetime stuff, they're.

[C]

Called soap operas because they were initially conceived as a way to, like, sell soap and other products to housewives because they were at home watching television. And it was like, how do we conceive a show where they can pay attention while doing chores and everything else? And then also, how can you sort of being five days a week and like, the pace of it, it's like, how can you let them still follow along with it if they're not completely paying attention? It was the original Netflix, so it.

[A]

Was born out of product placement. Then it was like a. Yeah, wow.

[B]

Kinda. Or advertisement for sure too, because commercials.

[C]

Yeah. It's sort of like now when you watch a Netflix show or something, and it's. They're very much try to gear it towards people who are maybe on their phone or like, not paying attention. It's like that's what soap operas originally were for.

[B]

Every year, it's a lot of. Everybody is their first and last name all the time, because you have to know who they are.

[C]

Sunny Corinthos, what are you doing here? And it'll be said by his son. Their son.

[A]

It's great.

[B]

It's so silly. It's so dumb. I love it so much. Well, one of the. One of the things, Ira, that I love about soaps and like, Matt, I know, like, you. You're a storyteller as well. So you love. This is the ongoing nature of soaps. Like, that's why I love them because, like, unlike seasons of television, like, the soap opera is breathing, like the whole time. So whatever happened in 1965 is still true in 2015. It's like, you know, like real life in that way. But there's been some crazy moments and soap operas and so how about me and you, like, go through, like, some of the craziest, most unhinged soap opera plots that we know of?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

I feel like you got some good ones in you, so I will let you take the. Take the floor.

[C]

So Days of Our Lives has Dr. Wilhelm Rolf. He's currently running around town right now and bringing Lexi Carver back to life. Now, she died of cancer 15 years ago, but they found this drug that sort of brings people back to life, but there's always something where a doctor has secretly taken the embryo and put it into something else. Like on Passions, where Theresa was in love with Ethan, who was having a baby with Gwen, but they were using a surrogate. And so Teresa knocked out the surrogate and had the embryos implanted into her, but she had also slept with Ethan once. And so one of the babies was hers with Ethan's, and one of the babies was Gwen's with Ethan.

[B]

Classic soap opera.

[A]

This must be so difficult to follow.

[B]

Once you are in it. It's really not, because once you're in it, too, you start to see these storylines coming as well, which is, you know, fun.

[C]

So Passions was camp, by the way. So when she gave birth. Yeah, I don't know if you remember this. When they gave. When she gave birth, they were like, breathe in, breathe out, which is the theme song for Passions. And then they all burst into singing the theme song.

[A]

Oh, amazing. Beautiful, Beautiful.

[B]

I don't remember that, but that's great.

[A]

Well, that's gonna take some beating as a storyline. I'm excited to see where you're going with this Jacqueese.

[B]

That's a good one. That's a very good one. I'll give you one. So in General Hospital, there's a character called Jason Morgan, and Jason Morgan is basically the right hand man to Sonny Corinthos, but Jason Morgan is also a quarter main, which is the main family in General Hospital's lore. Port Charles is the town, which is in. And he got in a car crash and he lost his memory, and he went from, I'm about to be, you know, a preppy doctor to a mob boss's, like, assassin. And the actor who plays Jason Morgan, his name was Steve Burton. He. I think he left and went to days, if I'm not mistaken.

[C]

He did come to Days of Our Lives.

[B]

Yeah, he did. He went to Days of Our Lives. Yes.

[C]

And thankfully, he left. His character was horrible.

[B]

His character was bad. So during that time, he was on days. Jason Morgan, which was a pretty big character in gh, his character was no longer there, but they really needed his character back. So they got another actor to play Jason Morgan. His name was Billy Miller, and he came back as. But obviously he looks different. So the story was he was, like, held captive or frozen or something. And then he escaped, and he got in a really bad accident. His face smashed against the ground, and he had to get reconstructive surgery, but he didn't remember who he was. But this is Jason Morgan. He eventually remembered who he was and what Happened was the actor Steve Burton left Days of Our Lives and came back to GH and it was like, well, we got the real Jason Morgan now. And so they was like, okay, this is the real Jason Morgan. This dude is Jason Morgan's long lost twin that he never knew about. And the reason he had all of Jason's memories is because we memory mapped Jason's memories onto his brain so we could use him. So we could use him to know secrets and things. And then they basically are long lost twin brothers. Even though Jason is like 5 inches taller, they're long lost twin brothers. And one twin has all the memories of the other twin, but they've never known each other. And they both are still in Port Charles. And now one is like evil and Jason Morgan is still like the lovable like assassin who everybody still respects and loves.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Okay. Well, one of them did have to be evil, didn't they?

[B]

One of them had to be evil eventually.

[A]

You couldn't have both of them just getting on with it.

[B]

Yeah, absolutely, love.

[C]

Any volunteers? Yes.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Yeah, I think Days of Our Lives always takes the cake. Cause there was a serial killer who killed everyone in town. And then it turns out that they were not actually murdered. They were taken to a secret island called the Last One, which is New Salem written backwards. And they were all being held captive on an island with a replica of the town.

[B]

Beautiful.

[A]

Okay, this is beautiful. That is wild. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

This has been delightful. Every time I can talk soap operas a joy. Lights inside of me that takes me right to the end of the day. Ready for a nice night of sleep. But before we do that, Ira, first of all, thank you so much.

[C]

Thank you for having me.

[B]

Yes, this has been a beautiful night. Is there anything our listeners should be checking out that you've been working on, you want them to know? Also, is there someone, something, anything at all that you would love to give a special goodnight to?

[C]

Yes, I think everyone should just. If they love hearing me talk about soap operas with you, I would talk about them and more especially Passions. In my book that's out pure innocent fun. It's an essay collection. And I would love to say goodnight to my grandmother who got me into self operas in the first place.

[B]

Beautiful. I love that. Absolutely love that. Well, good night, grandma. I think it's time for me to dream about another day of my life. So, Matt, I'll also say good night, buddy. Always a pleasure.

[A]

Yeah, this has been a pleasure. Good night, Adler. Yeah. Great to meet you, Ira. I could have listened to stories from soap operas all night. To be honest, it.

[C]

Sam.

[A]

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