The Observable Unknown

Episode: Dallisa Hocking

Host: Dr. Juan Carlos Rey
Guest: Dallisa Hocking
Date: January 27, 2026

Theme & Purpose

This episode of The Observable Unknown finds Dr. Juan Carlos Rey exploring the tangled roots of intuition, inherited psychic sensitivity, and the intersection of science and spirituality. Guest Dallisa Hocking—described as a fifth-generation intuitive—discusses her lineage, her personal awakening to her “gifts,” the ethics and demands of practicing as a psychic medium, and how mystical inheritance can be both deepened and redefined by a contemporary, analytical approach.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Realization of Inherited Gifts

• Dallisa’s Awakening: Dallisa shares the pivotal 2015 experience at the Omega Institute in New York, which triggered her psychic abilities.

  • Story of Peter’s Aunt: After the retreat, Dallisa dreams of Peter’s aunt, Barbara—someone she had never met—communicating after her death. The subsequent validation from Peter (supported by a photo) marked “the catalyst that started everything” (04:53–08:23).

• Quote:

  • "I am a fifth generation psychic medium. And you would think that a psychic would know what's going to happen in their own life, but that wasn't the case." — Dallisa Hocking (02:55)
  • "I could see what she looked like clear as day... She asked if I would tell her nephew that she was okay and that she made it to the other side." — Dallisa Hocking (07:33)

2. Misconceptions Around Psychic Lineage

• Childhood Expectations: Dallisa hadn’t believed she’d inherited the family gift, as it hadn’t manifested early on.

• Agency and Divine Blueprint: She reframes the emergence of psychic gifts as both personally chosen and subject to larger, “divine” timing. Her groundedness in business and analytics became an asset, lending her a balanced approach to her work (08:43–11:47).

  • Quote: "I thought it would have come in earlier. I thought it was something that you were born with and you knew about it since you were a very young child, and that was that." — Dallisa Hocking (08:45)

3. Costs & Boundaries of the Practice

• Energetic Exhaustion: Dallisa is candid about the intensity—and fatigue—that comes with her work as a channel, necessitating strong boundaries and a preference for group work over draining one-on-one sessions (12:04–14:08).

  • Quote: "When you are the conduit... you are running frequency through your whole body. And that has led me to pause a few times... Is this worth my exhaustion?" — Dallisa Hocking (12:33)

4. Familial Practice vs. Taught Techniques

• Dallisa describes her advantage in observing and trusting her family’s abilities, which made her more able to embrace her own gifts. She discusses her early practices—written channeling and phone readings, confirming accuracy before leaning fully into the profession (14:20–20:48).
• Memorable Moment: Her grandmother had prophesied Dallisa would need a stage name—years later, “Delisa Del Rey” becomes her identity in her Las Vegas psychic stage show, honoring family lineage (19:25–20:25).

5. Lineage, Culture, and Frequency

• No Cultural Prerequisite: While her family’s gifts are notable, Dallisa doesn’t see them as ethnically or geographically bound. She observes some cultures are more open, especially regarding reincarnation and the “other side” (21:16–25:36).
• Psychics and High Frequency: She posits psychics are able to perceive phenomena (e.g. UAPs/UFOs) that others cannot, due to accessing and operating at higher energetic frequencies (23:30–25:36).
  • Quote: "Those that are at that higher frequency are able to see and experience a lot more of these higher frequencies." — Dallisa Hocking (24:53)

6. Religion and Spiritual Ability

• While her family has Catholic roots, Dallisa does not see religious belief as a prerequisite for psychic abilities, noting that high vibration and intentional practices expand intuition, regardless of dogma (25:55–29:29).
  • Quote: "I have not seen a correlation between religion and accessing psychic abilities. I think they are different. They can overlap." — Dallisa Hocking (25:59)

7. Premonitions: How Intuition Emerges

• Sensing Major Events: Dallisa recounts receiving flashes of major events—a plane crash, a bank robbery, and an impending break-in—via dreams, sensations, or energetic imprints (29:45–39:54).

  • Memorable Moments:
    • Premonition of a helicopter and airplane crash that occurred days after recording her vision (30:17).
    • Sensing a robbery at her local bank, which aligned precisely with real-world events (32:41).
    • “It felt like I was almost in a twilight zone, but I wasn’t viewing it in real time, but I was seeing it in this, like, different world.” — Dallisa Hocking (35:39)

• Dreams and Downloads: Sometimes precognition comes in dreams or intensified bodily sensation; sometimes by hearing phrases “over my right ear,” or by “daydreams” in her mind’s eye.

8. Active Intuition & Physical Signals

• When Dallisa purposefully engages her intuition, she experiences physical signs—goosebumps, chills, or specific bodily sensations, which form part of her personal “psychic dictionary.” She encourages listeners to track their own symbols, noting these signals have always proved accurate for her (40:42–49:40).

  • Quote: "The price of being sensitive is being sensitive." — Dallisa Hocking (43:45)
  • Quote: "I haven't found a time where [the sensation] was misleading or didn't give me the right indication." — Dallisa Hocking (45:02)

• She details her process of dialoguing with her “spirit team,” using questions and tuning into both internal sensations and symbolic imagery to clarify messages.

9. Tools and Psychic Hygiene

• External Tools: While her channeling is fastest, Dallisa uses oracle and tarot cards as supplemental aids. She warns about Ouija boards, emphasizing that tools take on the practitioner’s energy and require high-vibration, focused intent.
  • Safety Practice: Describes using sage and invoking Archangel Michael to close portals, cautioning against a casual attitude toward spiritual tools (50:04–54:04).

10. Differences in Family Practice Across Generations

• Dallisa notes that her father and grandmother treated their gifts more passively; she is more proactive, “calling in” information and questions. She believes such differentiation may be part of a pre-life “soul plan” (54:14–56:52).

11. Expanding the Language of Intuition

• Unlike her elders, Dallisa incorporates concepts like chakras and reincarnation; she’s found her role as a “way shower,” expanding the vocabulary for interpreting psychic experiences within and beyond her family (57:24–59:34).

  • Quote: "By being who I am and by doing this work... I have ways of explaining it that I think a lot of people will go, 'oh yeah, that happens to me.' ... I think I've found more of the words to explain it so that more and more people... feel even more at home within themselves and with their own gifts." — Dallisa Hocking (58:19)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (Timestamps)

• "I approach intuition less as revelation than as literacy, a way of reading subtle patterns, human currents, and interior weather with patience rather than urgency." — Dr. Juan Carlos Rey, describing Dallisa (01:16)
• “You can just go directly to God. Like, you can build this relationship with universal energy. Some people like to call it God, some people just like to say source. And I’m not huge on labels...” — Dallisa Hocking (27:52)
• "It’s hard to see the picture when we are the frame." — Dallisa Hocking (41:09)
• “Everybody’s psychic dictionary is different… [spirit] will use the same symbols or the same words or the same feelings or physical sensations each time, because they know you understand.” — Dallisa Hocking (45:50)

Timestamps for Important Topics

• Inheritance as Destiny: 02:51–08:23
• Energetic Exhaustion & Boundaries: 12:04–14:08
• Family vs. Certification: 14:20–20:48
• Frequency, UAPs, and the Role of Vibration: 21:16–25:36
• Religion & Spiritual Practice: 25:55–29:29
• Premonitions & Real-life Examples: 29:45–39:54
• Physical Intuitive Signals & Personal Dictionary: 40:42–49:40
• External Tools & Psychic Hygiene: 50:04–54:04
• Differences in Practice Across Generations: 54:14–56:52
• Language of Intuition: 57:24–59:34

Final Reflections (Dr. Rey)

Dr. Rey closes with a meditation on the ethics and practice of intuition:

“What this conversation offers is permission. Permission to take the subtle seriously without abandoning discipline. Permission to trust continuity without surrendering discernment. Permission to speak of what is felt without turning it into spectacle.” (60:25)

Resources & Contact

• Dallisa’s site and courses: spiritandspark.com (59:52)

For listeners, this episode underscores that intuitive inheritance is as much a practice as a gift, and can be cultivated by disciplined attention and openness to subtlety—without sacrificing self-care, ethics, or critical thinking.