Trivia, Villains, and the Ultimate Yellowstone Showdown

Summary

Summary of "Trivia, Villains, and the Ultimate Yellowstone Showdown" – The Official Yellowstone Podcast

Episode Overview

In the final episode of The Official Yellowstone Podcast, host Bobby Bones delves deep into the intricate web of villains within the Paramount Network’s acclaimed series, Yellowstone. This episode, titled "Trivia, Villains, and the Ultimate Yellowstone Showdown," combines engaging trivia segments with a comprehensive analysis of the show's antagonists, culminating in a thoughtful discussion on who truly stands as the ultimate villain in the Yellowstone saga.

Trivia Segment

Introduction of Contestants

The episode features two dedicated Yellowstone fans, Jennifer and Brittany, who participate in a challenging trivia game for a chance to win exclusive prizes, including a complete DVD and Blu-ray collection of Yellowstone Season 5 Part 2 and a signed copy of Bobby Bones' book, Bare Bones.

Trivia Questions and Responses

Bobby Bones initiates the trivia with a mix of straightforward and challenging questions:

1. Which character found out they were adopted in season three?

   • Paige Desorbo ([05:25]): "Jamie." [Correct]

2. Who plays Travis in Yellowstone?

   • Paige Desorbo ([05:38]): "Taylor Sheridan." [Correct]

3. Where did Beth and Rip get married?

   • Paige Desorbo ([06:00]): "Out on their property." [Correct]

4. Which Yellowstone actress won a daytime Emmy for their role in "The World Turns"?

   • Paige Desorbo ([06:14]): Attempts "Senator," later learns the correct answer is Jen Landon who played Teeter. [Incorrect]

5. Who was Rip's best man at his wedding?

   • Paige Desorbo ([07:18]): Initially blanks, later learns the answer is "Lloyd." [Incorrect]

6. What actor also serves as an executive producer for the show?

   • Paige Desorbo ([08:10]): "Taylor Sheridan." [Correct]

7. Bonus Questions for Jennifer:

   • Who plays John Dutton?
     • Jennifer ([17:36]): "Kevin Costner." [Correct]
   • What year did Yellowstone premiere on Paramount Network?
     • Jennifer ([17:59]): "2018." [Correct]
   • Who plays Chief Rainwater?
     • Jennifer ([18:23]): "Gil Birmingham." [Correct]
   • What character does Luke Grimes portray?
     • Jennifer ([18:42]): "Casey Dutton." [Correct]
   • What is the name of John Dutton's only daughter?
     • Jennifer ([18:51]): "Beth Dutton." [Correct]
   • What is the Dutton family's primary business on their ranch?
     • Jennifer ([19:21]): "Ranching." [Accepted as Correct]
   • In season one, John Dutton was diagnosed with what?
     • Jennifer ([19:36]): "Cancer." [Correct]

Prize Details

Jennifer successfully answers all seven questions, earning the Yellowstone DVD and Blu-ray set along with a signed copy of Bobby's book. Bobby commends her knowledge and enthusiasm for the series, highlighting her as a deserving winner.

Analysis of Villains in Yellowstone

Exploring the Antagonists

Bobby Bones transitions into a deep analysis of the various characters and entities that embody villainous traits within Yellowstone. He presents seven potential villains, providing a balanced view with pros and cons for each:

1. Jamie Dutton

   • Pros: Betrays the family, works with Market Equities, kills his biological father.
   • Cons: Portrayed as a broken individual making survival-driven decisions.
   • Quote: "[07:11] Bobby Bones: 'But what if he's just a broken dude who's so broken that he's making decisions based on the reality that his family never really accepted him...'"

2. Market Equities (The Corporate Monster)

   • Pros: Represents greed-driven capitalism, aiming to build resorts and shopping centers.
   • Cons: Their actions, while profit-driven, are legal and a common real-world occurrence.
   • Quote: "[06:18] Bobby Bones: 'They're not really for the people at all. Easy to hate. But what they're doing is not illegal.'"

3. John Dutton

   • Pros: Lies, threatens, manipulates politicians, holds onto land for personal legacy.
   • Cons: Seen as a patriarch trying to protect his family's heritage.
   • Quote: "[08:23] Bobby Bones: 'He lies, he threatens, he kills, he manipulates politicians... he's holding on to the land for his name.'"

4. Beth Dutton

   • Pros: Loyal to her family, fiercely protective of the ranch.
   • Cons: Vindictive, violent, manipulative actions for the sake of loyalty.
   • Quote: "[12:46] Jennifer: 'She doesn't take from anyone.' [13:14] Bobby Bones: 'She's vindictive, she is violent... but she’s loyal.'"

5. Thomas Rainwater

   • Pros: Aims to reclaim stolen land, has pure intentions for his people.
   • Cons: Engages in building casinos and making backroom deals, initially portrayed as unlikable.
   • Quote: "[15:50] Jennifer: 'The ending was just so perfect. It just made you love him even more.'"

6. The System (Politics and Land Ownership Laws)

   • Pros: Represents the overarching societal and institutional challenges.
   • Cons: Not a single entity, making it a complex antagonist.
   • Quote: "[16:18] Bobby Bones: 'Maybe it’s the whole system that we have created... the politics, the land ownership laws, the corporate power.'"

7. Legacy

   • Pros: Central to the motivations of many characters, driving their actions.
   • Cons: The obsession with legacy leads to destructive behavior and conflict.
   • Quote: "[19:16] Bobby Bones: 'What if the whole evil monster... for the whole show is everyone's obsession with legacy?'"

Pros and Cons Summary

Bobby Bones meticulously evaluates each potential villain, acknowledging the multifaceted nature of their motivations and actions. He emphasizes the complexity of Yellowstone's characters, where heroes can exhibit villainous traits and vice versa, enhancing the show's depth and realism.

Host’s Conclusions on the Ultimate Villain

After thorough analysis, Bobby Bones ranks the system—encompassing politics, land ownership laws, and capitalist exploitation—as the ultimate villain of Yellowstone. He argues that the entrenched societal structures and historical injustices are the fundamental sources of conflict within the series.

Quote: "[20:13] Bobby Bones: 'But overall, the villain is the system. The villain is the system that's existed for hundreds of years... it's extremely ugly, dishonest capitalism.'"

He also acknowledges the nuanced portrayals of characters like Jamie, John, and Beth, suggesting that their personal flaws and moral ambiguities contribute to the broader antagonistic themes.

Favorite Storylines in Yellowstone

Bobby shares his top five favorite storylines, highlighting pivotal moments that define the show's emotional and narrative strength:

1. Beth and Rip's Love Story

   • Explores their deep bond and mutual support.
   • Quote: "[16:00] Jennifer: 'It just made you love him even more.'"

2. Casey's Transformation

   • Follows Casey Dutton's journey from an outsider to a beloved family member.
   • Quote: "[20:04] Bobby Bones: 'I love being late to the party.'"

3. Jamie’s Betrayal and Breakdown

   • Chronicles Jamie Dutton's struggle with acceptance and his eventual betrayal.
   • Quote: "[09:30] Jennifer: 'He took it too far at the end.'"

4. Fight Against Market Equities

   • Depicts the classic David vs. Goliath battle to protect Montana's heritage.
   • Quote: "[16:19] Bobby Bones: 'Beth kind of killed the deal from inside by sabotaging it.'"

5. John Dutton’s Power Games and Political Rise

   • Illustrates John Dutton's evolution from cattle rancher to governor, highlighting his strategic prowess.
   • Quote: "[16:19] Bobby Bones: 'He goes in to be governor not to protect Montana, but to protect his version of Montana.'"

Conclusion and Acknowledgments

Bobby Bones concludes the episode by reflecting on the multifaceted nature of Yellowstone, praising its ability to portray complex characters and morally gray situations. He expresses gratitude to the listeners, contestants, and the Yellowstone community for their support throughout the podcast’s eight-episode run.

Final Quote: "[40:13] Bobby Bones: 'Thank you to all the guests who came on the show and talked with us about their roles on the show... Thank you guys for tuning in.'"

He also hints at the enduring legacy of Yellowstone and its impact on American culture, signaling his hope to engage with the audience through other Yellowstone spin-offs and related content.

Notable Quotes

• Bobby Bones on Jamie Dutton:

  • "[07:11] ...'But what if he's just a broken dude who's so broken that he's making decisions based on the reality that his family never really accepted him...'"

• Jennifer on Beth Dutton:

  • "[13:07] 'She doesn't take from anyone.'"

• Bobby Bones on the System as Villain:

  • "[16:18] 'Maybe it’s the whole system that we have created... the politics, the land ownership laws, the corporate power.'"

• Bobby Bones on Legacy:

  • "[19:16] 'What if the whole evil monster... for the whole show is everyone's obsession with legacy?'"

This episode serves as a comprehensive exploration of Yellowstone's complex character dynamics and thematic depth, providing fans with insightful analysis and engaging content to ponder as the podcast concludes its final chapter.

Transcript

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[Bobby Bones]

Hey guys. Welcome to the final episode of the official Yellowstone Podcast. I am and have been your host, Bobby Bones. On this episode, I'm going to walk you through the villains of the show. Some of them you may not even think of as villains. And then I will let you know who I think the true villain of Yellowstone was. Was it Chief Rainwater? Jamie Dutton? Beth Dutton? Maybe John. Maybe it was John Dutton. Yeah, I'll explain. But first what we're going to do is give a couple people a chance to win some prizes. We have some cool Yellowstone prizes and so we're going to do some Yellowstone trivia. And if you're listening now, you should play along and see how many you get. So some of them super easy, some of them a little harder. And our players are Jennifer and Brittany. And they're on now. We'll talk to them in just a second. Now if you're jealous of Jennifer and Brittany for winning this awesome Yellowstone gift that you're about to hear about. You can also enter for a chance to win. You can go to Amazon. You can pre order the package. It includes a DVD and a Blu ray package including three new featurettes. But we'll put the link in the show notes, you know when you go and it's has all the writing about the description. So you click the link and that's for your shot to win if you don't want to buy it. So I love games, I love Yellowstone. Let's start with that first. Okay. Brittany?

[Paige Desorbo]

Yes.

[Bobby Bones]

How are you doing? It's Bobby here.

[Paige Desorbo]

I'm good. How are you doing?

[Bobby Bones]

Really good. So we're going to do a little Yellowstone trivia here and if you win, but you have to get five out of seven if you win, you're gonna get a whole DVD collection of Yellowstone. It's got a whole bunch of cool stuff in it. And I'll send you a signed book for me. I'll send you Bare bones, my book and you know, we'll just talk Yellowstone for a second. I'm imagining that you have watched Yellowstone.

[Paige Desorbo]

I sure have. Huge Yellowstone fan. Huge Bobby Bone show fan.

[Bobby Bones]

Thank you. Thank you very much. Can you give me your favorite and least favorite character on Yellowstone? This is your past. See if you get in.

[Paige Desorbo]

Favorite Beth Dutton. 100% least favorite. Jamie.

[Bobby Bones]

That's funny. That's a. That's. Yeah. What about Beth? Do you like?

[Jennifer]

Um.

[Paige Desorbo]

What don't I. Her attitude. I feel like I want to be Beth. I feel like every girl wants to be Beth. Um, can I cuss on this?

[Bobby Bones]

You can.

[Jennifer]

She's.

[Paige Desorbo]

She's a badass. Um, but she has a big heart too and she cares about her family. She's just who every girl wants to be, I think.

[Bobby Bones]

And so you said your least favorite was Jamie.

[Jennifer]

Yes.

[Bobby Bones]

Didn't you feel though a little bit she was mean to him? Like a, like a little excessive at times?

[Paige Desorbo]

Definitely excessive. There were some times I felt bad for Jamie and then other times I felt like she definitely had it coming.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, I can co sign that. I feel like Jamie kind of got a raw deal at times because, you know, John wasn't his dad. John took care of him and Jamie was trying to fit in with the other two siblings and be a sibling. So that created a lot, you know. You know, we know. But I felt absolutely okay. I thought Beth's a little hard on him at times, but I hear you. Okay, so here's what we're going to do. I'm going to ask you seven Yellowstone questions. If you get five of them right, you will win the prize. Okay?

[Paige Desorbo]

Okay.

[Bobby Bones]

And where do you live? Where are you at? Where you at right now?

[Paige Desorbo]

I live outside Dallas, Texas.

[Bobby Bones]

In, like, one of the suburbs?

[Paige Desorbo]

Yeah, like 30 minutes east of Dallas.

[Bobby Bones]

Does that mean you're a Cowboys fan or a rancher? One of the two.

[Paige Desorbo]

My husband be really mad if I did say that I wasn't a Cowboys fan. My dad's from Buffalo, so I'm actually a big Buffalo Bill fan as well.

[Bobby Bones]

Now, that's fair.

[Paige Desorbo]

Like the Cowboys here, too.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. No, if. If your dad's a Buffalo fan, you have to be a Buffalo fan. Okay. And the Cowboys, they're terrible. So you're all good. All right, here we go. Question number one. Oh, this. We just talked about this. So which character found out they were adopted in season three?

[Paige Desorbo]

Jamie.

[Bobby Bones]

Correct. Boom. One. Number two. Who plays Travis in Yellowstone?

[Paige Desorbo]

Taylor Sheridan.

[Bobby Bones]

Great job. That was elite. Good job by you because I don't know. I never remember anybody's names from shows unless they're just beating it in my head a thousand times. So I think I'd have been like, Travis. Okay. Heck of a horse rider is old Travis. Okay, next up, where did Beth and Rip get married?

[Paige Desorbo]

Out on their property.

[Bobby Bones]

I'll accept it. The ranch is correct. Which Yellowstone actress won a daytime Emmy award for their role in a soap opera? The one called as the World Turns?

[Paige Desorbo]

Oh, my gosh.

[Bobby Bones]

I'll ask it again. Which Yellowstone actress won a daytime Emmy award not for Yellowstone, but for their work in the soap opera as the World Turns?

[Paige Desorbo]

Is it the senator?

[Bobby Bones]

Well, you're asking me a question. I need an answer.

[Paige Desorbo]

Do I have to say their actual name?

[Bobby Bones]

You know, if you just guess who it is and you say, that's my answer, I'll give it to you, Senator.

[Paige Desorbo]

I'm just. That's the best I got.

[Bobby Bones]

That is incorrect. You're still good, though. That's Jen Landon, who played Teeter.

[Paige Desorbo]

Oh, I did not know that.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, next up, who was Rip's best man at his wedding?

[Paige Desorbo]

Oh, my gosh. The old guy. The old guy that he worked with for so long. And of course, I'm blanking on his name, and I remember Travis's name.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, my gosh.

[Paige Desorbo]

The old man.

[Bobby Bones]

Let me give you, like, five seconds to think of the old. The old man has a name.

[Paige Desorbo]

Oh, my gosh.

[Bobby Bones]

You're gonna kick. You're gonna kick yourself time.

[Paige Desorbo]

I know I am.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, you're gonna kick Yourself. The answer is Lloyd.

[Paige Desorbo]

Lloyd. Oh, my gosh.

[Bobby Bones]

I know. Okay, what are you doing right now? You at work or what?

[Paige Desorbo]

I. I'm at home. I. I'm a home health sales rep, so I'm currently at home.

[Bobby Bones]

So you're probably, like, watching your computer, making sure it's all safe there. No, Home health is, like, on fire, so you forgot Lloyd's name. You know, that's. There you go.

[Paige Desorbo]

Exactly. Exactly.

[Bobby Bones]

You got to get these two right. Here we go.

[Jennifer]

What?

[Bobby Bones]

Dutton family member becomes an attorney. Jamie, correct. One final question. It all comes down to this. What actor also serves as an executive producer for the show?

[Paige Desorbo]

Taylor Sheridan.

[Bobby Bones]

You know what? I'm gonna have to let that count, because more than one, because Taylor Sheridan. Okay, what primary actor serves as executive producer as well?

[Paige Desorbo]

Was it Kevin Costner?

[Bobby Bones]

It is. Yeah. You got both of them. Because I can't. Because obviously it's Taylor Sheridan. He's the creator of the show. But, yes, you got it twice, so you are a winner, Brittany. Thank you very much. Yay.

[Paige Desorbo]

Oh, my gosh.

[Bobby Bones]

So what does a home health rep do? Like, what are you selling? How do you sell health?

[Paige Desorbo]

So I'm mostly in selling to social workers and case managers at hospitals and people that are discharging, going home from the hospital who are going to need nursing services or physical therapy. We just sell our home health services to those people and help get them set up, so their transition from the hospital is a lot smoother.

[Bobby Bones]

That's cool. How about this question? Which Taylor Sheridan show, other than Yellowstone, is like, your other favorite Landman? Yeah. That's good.

[Paige Desorbo]

I love Landman.

[Bobby Bones]

That's good.

[Paige Desorbo]

He has so many good ones right now. It's hard to choose, though.

[Bobby Bones]

I know. I really loved Lioness like a. I.

[Paige Desorbo]

Feel like it's his world now. We're all just living in it.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, we're gonna send you this, and thank you so much for playing the game, and thanks for listening, and we're gonna put you on hold to make sure we have your information. Okay, awesome.

[Paige Desorbo]

Thank you so much.

[Bobby Bones]

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[Bobby Bones]

Jennifer, it's Bobby. How's your day going?

[Jennifer]

Hey Bobby. It's going great. How are you?

[Bobby Bones]

Pretty good. Where do you live?

[Jennifer]

I'm in just north of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

[Bobby Bones]

Now this is the official Yellowstone podcast. Do you and have you ever watched Yellowstone?

[Jennifer]

Yes, I watched it all.

[Bobby Bones]

Perfect. Me too. So, well, let me ask you a couple questions about it then that aren't part of the game. We're going to play. So. Okay, who is your favorite character not named John Dutton?

[Jennifer]

Oh, I'd have to go with Beth.

[Bobby Bones]

See, the interesting thing about Beth is at times she's like the anti hero, because.

[Jennifer]

Oh, yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Like, you don't like her, but you love her type thing. What about Beth resonated the most with you?

[Jennifer]

She doesn't take from anyone.

[Bobby Bones]

That's true.

[Jennifer]

I love that about her.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you feel like that's the kind of person you are? That's the kind of person you would like to be?

[Jennifer]

You know, sometimes that's me. But definitely would like to be that person more often.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. She had a legit car, too.

[Jennifer]

Like.

[Bobby Bones]

Like, she was, like, gritty, but also really rich. So, like, the really rich stuff looked gritty, and I didn't feel like she was too cool for school or, like, too rich. Like, he's still related to her, but you're also, like, man, that's a cool car.

[Jennifer]

Um, so, I mean, I would. Rip is definitely a close second. I just need to say that.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you think that's because they ended up together and so you made you like him more, or do you think just even alone. That character to you was awesome.

[Jennifer]

Just alone, I would say. He started out as my favorite, and Beth kind of merged in there and won me over, and Rip still stayed there as a close first, but he.

[Bobby Bones]

What about, like, all three of the kids? So John's a dad you got. Yeah. So which Casey, Beth, which of the kids? I don't want to lead you anywhere. Which of the kids did you like the least?

[Jennifer]

Oh, Jamie.

[Bobby Bones]

Now, did you. Did you have a love hate, or did you just hate at the end?

[Jennifer]

Hate. I mean, just hate.

[Bobby Bones]

See, I think where I struggled, I.

[Jennifer]

Love about him at the end.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay. I think where I struggled was. I feel like Jamie wasn't. And a small spoiler. If you haven't watched Yellowstone, which I assume if you're listening to this, you do, since he wasn't, you know, a biological. Full, biological child like the other two. Right. I feel like he was always, like, fighting to be more. Which made him.

[Jennifer]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Make decisions that at times would look to us like not the right decision to make. But I think it was always coming from a place of inadequacy or insecurity, so I kind of gave him a pass. But the final season, some bad stuff happened. But even, like, when Jamie's real dad came back, like, I kind of felt bad for him because his real dad was still a loser.

[Jennifer]

Yeah, no, I. I agree. I agree completely. He, you know, but he just, to me, he was. He took it too far at the end. And that just then, that turned me to, you know, dislike completely.

[Bobby Bones]

Understand. We had Gil on Gil Birmingham, who played Chief Rainwater in a previous episode. What was so interesting to me about Gil was there were times where I loved him. There were times where I felt like he was the enemy. There were times where I was like, he's good to have you on the team. Like, even Jamie, kind of the same way. Like, there are multiple levels to some of these characters and I think that's what makes the show so good. Did you have that relationship with Chief Rainwater too, where at times you're like, I don't like this guy at all. But then you're like, man, I'm kind of glad he's back on the team all the time.

[Jennifer]

And I mean, the ending, of course, then I mean, spoiler alert, I would assume you've seen it, but I mean, the ending was just so perfect. It just made you love him even more.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, like he always, his intentions were always pure, even if you didn't like him. And I think that's what the show ended up showing about Chief Rainwater too. Like, his intentions were always there, even if you disagreed with him or even if you only got like one version of them because. Right. We were seeing the perspective of not him. He was a side character that was like kind of the bad guy for a while.

[Jennifer]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

It was so cool too that to hear his story because he talked about how he was a bodybuilder and like he was working on a gym and you know, that's how he got discovered basically because he was like an engineer but was also lifting weights and next thing you know, he's Chief Rainwater. So. Okay, look, here's the thing, Jennifer. I want to give you a chance to win a prize here. So. All right. It's a couple different things. So first of all, I wanted to give something Tang Yellowstone tangible away. So even if you don't use it, it's a pretty cool thing here. So 11.4 million viewers watched Yellowstone Season 5 Part 2, which was, you know, they split the last season into two and we're going to do the whole thing. It's a three disc set. It's, you know, part of the season five, it's ten featurettes, DVD Blu ray, it's Moments from Yellowstone, past and present, a lot of special features. So we're going to do this and if you win this game, you'll win that. And I'll also send You a signed book of mine because you seem like a really nice person, and I got a bunch of books here, and I just want to sign one and mail one to you. Okay?

[Jennifer]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

You have to get five out of seven. Right?

[Jennifer]

Okay. I have to win.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. And I think you're going to win because some of these are so down the middle. For example, who plays John Dutton on Yellowstone? This is number one here.

[Jennifer]

Kevin Costner.

[Bobby Bones]

Correct. See, you're already in Costner or Costner. Listen, it is not Costner, and you know that, and Eddie does not know that because, like, Kevin Costner, not his name. Yes. That's funny. Good job. Good job. Okay, we got one right. Number two, a little tougher. What year did Yellowstone premiere on Paramount network?

[Jennifer]

Think I know this. 2018.

[Bobby Bones]

Is that your answer, or are you just thinking out loud?

[Jennifer]

I am going to say 2018.

[Bobby Bones]

That is correct. Good job. All right, you got two down. Only three more, and you're the winner here. How about this? Oh, I didn't know this was a question. We just talked about this. Who plays the role of Chief Rainwater? Can you tell me his name?

[Jennifer]

Oh, hold on. I know it because I also just listened to that episode. His name is Gilbert. Gil Birmingham.

[Bobby Bones]

Correct. Nice job. All right, you're killing. You're killing it here. What character does Luke Grimes portray?

[Jennifer]

He is Casey Dutton.

[Bobby Bones]

That is correct. Oh, you're going to crush the rest of these. What is the name of John Dutton's only daughter?

[Jennifer]

Beth Dutton.

[Bobby Bones]

That is Beth. That's correct. What is the Dutton family's primary business on their ranch? Like, what do they do Their primary business on the ranch?

[Jennifer]

Primary business on the ranch. I mean, horses, cattle farming.

[Bobby Bones]

What is your official answer going to be here?

[Jennifer]

I don't know. I'm just going to say ranching.

[Bobby Bones]

You know what? You've already won anyway, so I'll accept cattle ranching.

[Jennifer]

All right. Yay.

[Bobby Bones]

And then finally, season one, John Dutton was diagnosed with what?

[Jennifer]

Oh, Bowen. Cancer.

[Bobby Bones]

That's correct. She went seven for seven. That is awesome. Jennifer, you just won the prize pack. I'm gonna send you a signed book as well. I appreciate you spending some time hanging out and talking Yellowstone with me. Are you gonna watch the Beth and the Beth and Rip version of it when it comes out?

[Jennifer]

Oh, absolutely. I'm going to watch it all. Because, I mean, even with 1883, 1923. I'm a Taylor Sheraton lover. I mean, we love him.

[Bobby Bones]

That's awesome. Did you watch Lioness by any chance?

[Jennifer]

Oh, yeah. I mean, my husband and I, we are so into it. It's so good. Landman, we finished them all too.

[Bobby Bones]

And I love it that because Landman's got one season they just finished. But I love when I get into a show and there are multiple seasons already there. Like, I like being late to the party. So yeah, like Lioness, we started watching and they just finished season two. So we got to go hard into Lioness. It's such a good show. And like season one's really good. Season two is even crazy better if that's believable.

[Jennifer]

Yep. And you just don't want it to end. And that's. You just don't want them to end.

[Bobby Bones]

I appreciate your time. Congratulations. And hopefully I will talk to you. This is awesome. Yeah. Thanks for hanging out. We're going to put you on hold and so we'll get your information and send you all this stuff. Okay, Jennifer.

[Jennifer]

All right. Thanks so much.

[Bobby Bones]

All right, don't hang up. Don't hang up.

[Jennifer]

All right.

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[Bobby Bones]

And for my final trick or my final segment. And by the way, thank you to all who have listened to all eight episodes of this podcast. I've purposefully saved this segment for last because we could have done who's been the good guy? Who's been the hero? I think at some point, most people have been heroic. But let's talk about who the villain was. The whole time you're watching Yellowstone, it's changed. At one point, I thought, Chief Rainwater, not a good dude. By the end of it, I'm like, chief Rainwater. That's my kind of dude. And we saw the characters develop. But I'd like to go through a little deep dive and come to the conclusion of who the real villain is, is, and was on Yellowstone. And I will present a pro and a con for each one. And at the end, I will pick who I think is a villain and you will agree with me. Probably not, but that's okay. Option one, which is the option most people go with first, is Jamie Dutton. That's the. That's the obvious one, right? His resume is tough. He betrays the family. He works with market equities. He killed his biological father. Not gonna get a big plaque that says son of the Year for sure. But here's the twist. What if he's just a broken dude who's so broken that he's making decisions based on the reality that his family never really accepted him, and he's not making decisions at times for malicious reasons. It's for survival or out of desperation. If you were in Jamie's situation, you probably would have made some mistakes, too, and compounded those mistakes. Option one of who the real villain is, was Jamie Dutton. Option two, market equities, the corporate monster. So it's basically a Wall street land vacuum. They want to build airports, they want to build resorts. They want to do shopping. They're all about profit. They're not really for the people at all. Easy to hate. But what they're doing is not illegal. If you're listening to this, Are you a capitalist? Probably. Have you invested any money at all in anything? Maybe. I don't know. Is some capitalism ugly? Oh, yeah. Is it illegal? Again, no. But again, it is the land we're talking about. But it happens all the time, every day. So option number two is market equities. How about this? John Dutton. What if John Dutton is actually the villain? Think about it. He lies, he threatens, he kills, he manipulates politicians. And he's holding on to a giant piece of land not for the greater good, not for the sacred bird egg of the Eastern Shored Teletut. I'm just making up a bird there. But he's holding on to the land for his name. He's not protecting Montana. When he's the governor, he goes in to be governor not to protect Montana, but to protect his version of Montana. John Dutton, hero. Or is he basically a cowboy version of a mob boss? Option four, Beth Dutton. Beth's got a lot of fans, but if anyone else did the things she did, if anybody that we knew did the things that she did, we would not want to be around them completely unhinged. She is vindictive, she is violent, she is manipulative. But, and I got to hit you with both sides, she's loyal. So it's the old scale there. What's more important? Like, are you allowed to be this awful, this vindictive, this violent? If it's for loyalty. But you're being loyal to who? Your dad? The ranch. But your dad wants to save the ranch just for the family name, not actually for anything greater as in the state of Montana or. But she does protect the ranch with everything she has. I love a loyal person. Is Beth the villain or the ranch's necessary monster? Option five, Thomas Rainwater. Now, I talked about him early on because they make him unlikable at the very beginning. And I gotta say this. I don't like that. I didn't like him. I don't like me for that. Because here's somebody who did care about. I won't say the state of Montana, but the land. He did care about the land. A lot of people do think that Rainwater is the real villain. He talks a big game about honoring the land and his people. He does. He talks the game, but he's also building casinos and making backroom deals. But if you zoom out, he is just trying to reclaim the land that was stolen. I'll say it again. He's just Trying to reclaim the land that was stolen. That's not evil. That's history. So is Rainwater the villain or is he actually the only one playing the long game for justice? Option six of seven, by the way. Oh, the old system, the old invisible enemy. Maybe the villain is not a person at all. Maybe it's the whole system that we have created. The politics, the land ownership laws, the corporate power, the endless cycle and cycles of violence that have been happening for hundreds of years and we continue to allow them to happen. Every character on the show is reacting to the same thing, Power. And they're also figuring out how to get more of it. Power. The only difference is the method. That's option six. Option seven, legacy. Legacy itself, the root of it. All right, we mentioned it earlier. When is John Dutton the villain? Because he's not really doing it for anything other than himself and his legacy, his family's legacy. And I gotta tell you, I'm not much of a legacy guy. Just in general maybe because I don't come from much of a legacy. Don't really have one. Don't know. My parents don't. Well, the legacy that they pro. Legacy over a mindset probably ain't that good. Okay, I'll say that. So I've never been a big legacy guy. Especially for me, it's what kind of legacy am I going to leave? Why do I care? I'm not going to be here. But is the villain the legacy? Now here's a weird thought. What if the whole evil monster, the evil villain, the bad guy, the hamburger burglar, what if all of it for the whole show is everyone's obsession with legacy? The need to hold on to it, the need to pass something down no matter what it costs. Friendships, relationships, lives, money. No matter what it costs. It's that idea that the land belongs to you just because your great grandpa bought it. I mean, right? I don't know. I mean, that's what fuels most of the conflict in Yellowstone. Everybody fighting over a piece of land because they think it defines who they are. I mean, think about that again. The idea that the land belongs to you because your great grandpa bought it and it wasn't even really his Dubai to begin with. The legacy. Those are my seven options on who the bad guy is. And after all that. And listen, I ranked him and re ranked them. Jamie, John, the system, they're all villains in their own way. Heck, they're all heroes in their own way too. That's part of the beauty of the show. And I think if the show is shot from a different perspective. You feel a whole different way about it. Imagine if the camera was following Chief Rainwater the whole time for all seasons. He's going to be the hero. Same thing. John Dutton going to be the hero. You can make Jamie the hero if you shoot it from their perspective, their feelings, their inner thoughts. The brilliance of Yellowstone is that it doesn't give you clear heroes. It doesn't give you clear villains. At times you get a clearish hero, but then all of a sudden they're a clearish villain. I thought Beth was way too hard on Jamie, way too hard on Jamie. And I get why people hate Jamie. And listen, Jamie did some bad, bad, bad stuff. But I think if you were to have presented Jamie's whole story from being an infant toddler teenager, what happened to him, I think you would feel completely different about who he is and what he did and what. And that's just one example. But that is the greatness of Yellowstone nuance. It gives you messy people fighting for messy reasons. But it gave us a really great show. I'm sad to see it's over. I love that there are other versions that we can now watch. Big shout out. Taylor Sheridan. Great job. Thank you so much for listening. Thank you to all the guests who came on the show and talked with us about their roles on the show. Thank you to the show for existing. I guess the other list I could give you real quick that never actually made one of the episodes. I did a best five storylines. You want it, I give it to you. Do it. All right. I now present to you the best five storylines in Yellowstone. Number one, the Beth and Rip love story. We wanted them to. We didn't think they would. They might. Their childhood backstory, the adult devotion. There's layers to it. Let's go the the part where Rip is building bet the house with his hands. And it's number one. I'm going the wrong way. I should have gone five to one. That's how you know I wasn't planning to do this ad. This is extra material. Number two, Casey's transformation. He starts out as kind of an outsider. Mary Demonica. Disconnected. He slowly is like somebody you love and is loved. I love that about Casey. Number three, Jamie's betrayal and breakdown. Adopted into the Duttons but never truly accepted. Wants to be a loyal son. Goes from being a loyal son to having to ch. To being a power player and flat out murderer. He breaks at one point when he kills his dad. Spoiler number four, the fight against market equities. Which is the old David versus Goliath. Montana's beauty and heritage are at stake. And that's. It's very real world. It's very real world. I mean, the moment there is when Beth kind of kills the deal from inside by getting herself hired and sabotages it. That's. That's. That's pretty killer. That's pretty legit. And the. Fine. I should have started at 5. I don't know why I went. I did. So stupid. I'm not even going to edit this. Number five, John Dutton's Power Games and political rise. We see a cattle rancher become a governor not for ambition, but for survival. It shows how far he'll go to protect his land. It also shows how broken the system really is, too, if we're being honest. It frames him as not just a patriarch, which is what we learned of him early, but also a player in a much larger war. I liked it during his inauguration, and I had a little problem with him being governor. That was a little stretchy for me, but okay, I accepted it. But I did have a little problem with it. But in his inauguration speech, he says, going to break everything to save what matters. And I felt that. But what mattered was him and his land. For his sake, I was going to do the ultimate villain. The ultimate villain, man. I would love to say John Dutton. You guys don't. Just for the sake of, like, having a movie that you love and then it doesn't end the way you want it to, and you're like, what the heck? I would love to say John Dutton right now, but I will put John Dutton in my top three of villains. But overall, the villain is the system. The villain is the system that's existed for hundreds of years. The villain is the white man stole the land to begin with, and then we fight over the land that we stole. And the villain is extremely ugly, dishonest capitalism. I'm a capitalist myself, as I assume you are listening, but I believe there is a line. So I'm gonna go with the system at number one as the ultimate villain. Now I can go. Thank you all for listening to the Yellowstone podcast. As you can see, I'm very passionate about a lot of these things because it doesn't just represent a TV show, represents a lot of America. And also, people started wearing cowboy hats that never wore one before. And a little bit I was like, hey, you're too much of a poser. Stop doing that. But a lot of my friends got to have music on this show before they were famous. And it actually helped make them famous. I E. Laney Wilson. Thank you so much. All right, goodbye everybody. The Yellowstone Official Podcast, hosted by me, Bobby Bones and brought to you by iheartmedia Podcasts and MTV Entertainment Studios. Big shout out to executive producers Jason Reed, Lindsey Hoffman, Carl Cadle and Kevin O'Connell. Also our senior manager of Podcast Marketing, Ali Kanner Graber for keeping the word out. And of course, a big thanks to Will Pearson, president of iHeartMedia podcast, for him supporting this show. We've also got special thanks going out to Whitney Baxter, Xavier Offrey, Barbara Pareda, Emily Curry and Joe Flattery. You guys make this happen. This podcast is produced in association with 101 Studios over there, executive Producer Scott Stone and Director of Podcast development and Production Danielle Waxman. We also got to give a big nod to Michelle Newman Newman, David Glasser and David Hutkin for their support. Thank you guys for tuning in.

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