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Greg
Jason Disney asked me to do this podcast thing. I need some advice. You've got to have banger guests Walker.
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Steven
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Greg
You're the one asking the questions.
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Steven
How they better answer?
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Greg
This season is just make a quest.
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Steven
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Greg
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Steven
Learn more@disneyplus.com whatson Sam. This is the One Piece podcast episode 897 for the week of Monday, December 15th, 2025. It's SGS week. So my name is Stephen and my name is Greg and Simba as well. Simba is not my cat. Simba is not in the room right now, but he is somewhere out there. He's enjoying the sun. Look, it's December, it's cold out. He's got a. He's got to enjoy the sunlight. But yes, it is the SGS Week. This is our special off week podcast. If you are a return listener, thanks for coming back around. If you are new to it, this is a special podcast we do on weeks when the manga is off. We model it after Otis SBS segments. And this is where Greg was a columnist for vjump and one piece.com and series advisor for Netflix's One Piece series. And me, Stephen, translator for One Piece manga in Shonen Jump and manga plus break down the latest events and share our expertise.
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Greg
So Steven's expertise.
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Steven
That's that, that's that patented Greg humility that we all, we all know and love. But what's up with you, Greg? How have you been? It's been a little while. I was looking, I had to look back and I was like, has it really been since September that wow. That we recorded?
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Greg
Yeah, that, that is quite a gap. I think there were a couple things going on. Especially one of them is I've been like in a cycle of, of pain and suffering since September.
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Steven
No, it's.
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Greg
I don't know if I talked about it last time, but I injured myself Doing something. I'm not sure what. Probably it might have been the exercise where I grab 7 kilogram weights and jump and hit the ground and do. They're called jumping squats. It might have been that holding both of them in both hands and swing my arms back and forth. But I heard something in my left shoulder inner muscle. And it was really weird. It's just like it. I couldn't tell where it was coming from. And I'd just do these random. I'd just be walking and suddenly it'd just be like, oh, oh. Out of nowhere. And it got so bad that I had to take some time off of work.
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Steven
Wow.
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Greg
But that was very painful. Not a lot of fun, but it put me out of commission for a little bit. And then the weather started to cool down, so people started getting sick. And I work at a number of elementary schools for my daily job. So that's super fun and healthy because certainly they learned so much from Corona that everybody stopped. The children all stopped touching each other and getting really close and refusing to wash their hands with warm water and soap. But no, elementary schools are basically a petri dish in Japan. And I've just been one kind of sickness after another. In between, after finally getting back into weightlifting and everything, getting into an argument with my dear wife and then angrily changing the tires on the car and in doing so lifting up one of our minivan's tires in each hand, holding them both hands, walking about 30 meters with them to the car. Re injured. The same injured spot.
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Steven
Oh God.
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Greg
In my shoulder. So I had to start over from zero again. And then it's actually better than this. I'm excising a lot. But like. And then I think it was Monday I was supposed to go back to training. And then on Monday morning I woke up and I slept wrong on my right shoulder. So both my left shoulder and right shoulder were out of commission. So I had to take. Take off another couple days to get that back. But yesterday I got back into it and was able to do some very, very simple stretches. But that's been basically the cycle since September. If you're wondering what I've been up to.
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Steven
Stop and start. Stop and start. Yeah.
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Greg
How about you? What have you been experiencing in the joys of 40 hood?
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Steven
My, my, my health has been okay. I don't have any, any, any too bad, bad stories to share on that regard. Although, you know, a lot of it is like I just haven't had time to access. That's, that's why I was, I was telling Greg, before we started that, like, once I, once I turn in the thing that I'm working on right now, I'm gonna have, like, several weeks of no imminent deadlines. And. And so I'm like, what, there's free time now? Like, what. What does that mean? So I'm looking forward to that. But yeah, part of that, Part of that is that I haven't really, you know, I've had minimal chances to, to, you know, stay fit and do all that stuff. But, you know, since this is the story time I can tell, I can share one for our lovely Simba, the. The third member of the crew here. Uh, the other night. So Sisimba, you know, it would take too long to explain all of the issues that this cat has that, you know, I, I just sort of internalized because it's like, oh, well, this is just part of the daily routine. But one of the things is in order to make sure that, like, we sort of minimize the chances of him waking us up. And I'm the light sleeper of the. Of the two. So, like, if Simba is whining at our bedroom door in the middle of the night, I'm the one who's gonna wake up. And so we've learned over the years to always, like. Like, we'll feed him part of his supper and then we give him the rest of the supper right before bed so that he gets full, he's sleepy. That usually works to keep him, you know, asleep through the night so we can wake up at a normal time. And so, you know, the usual routine is, you know, part of, for winding down for the night is you give him his, his supper, maybe he needs to go to the bathroom, and then he gets in his bed and then we're all good. So I give him his supper. This is a few nights ago. I give him his supper and he. I don't think he went to the bathroom, but I went into the, you know, I went and cleaned out his, his litter box to make sure that it was all, all fresh and good. And he, he gobbles on his supper. He loves this, this supper stuff. He doesn't like all of his food, but, like, this is the stuff that he's. He's obsessed with. And he got the zoomies. Like, he, he, he went ballistic after eating his food. And you know, okay, that's, that's pets, you know, sometimes they just do that. But he has a. He has a cat tree on one side of our living room that's near the back door. The backsliding Door. And he. He doesn't usually climb. Like, every now and then he'll climb up on it. But the most common, you know, way for him to interact with this thing is in this situation where he has the zoomies. And he just kind of like, all right, I'm just going to go climb up this thing. So he climbs up to the top of this cat tower, and I'm still, you know, I could. I could hear him running around, and I'm still in the bathroom working on his. His litter box, and I just hear these sounds out there, and I was like, what the hell is going on? And I go out and I find. I find out that, like, in his excitement and over the top agitation, he. He climbed up to the top of the cat tower and then leaned over and like, at the bottom we have right now, you know, in December, we have our little, like our little plastic tree that, that we use for. For Christmas on a little end table that we just kind of put over there in the, in the corner. And he has leaned over and from a height of about four feet above that, thrown up, just projectile vomited onto the little end table where the tree is of the food he just ate. And I could not. I could not believe it. And he's looking at me like, like, what just happened? And I'm like, I don't know. You tell me, dude. Like, what. What did you do? And somehow he. He missed almost all of the tree. I think he got the, the little decorative, you know, the thing that goes around the, the base of. Of the tree. So we had to throw that out. And fortunately, we didn't have any, like, presents under there yet because we haven't, like, wrapped up all the stuff we're gonna take to. To family members. So it was, it was kind of a minimum of trouble for how spectacular an event it was, but it was, it was pretty amazing. Like, the, the amount of unforced error that. That went into that of, like, this didn't need to happen. Like, there was no reason that he needed to vomit up his. His dinner, but he did so in the most spectacular manner possible. So that was pretty fun. That's a good story.
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Greg
Mama. What? Has Santa left us under the tree?
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Steven
Yeah, yeah, somehow he did. He did get to bed after. Like, he did sleep it off, but then, but yeah, he did as. As I remember, as I recall. I think he did, you know, get up an hour or two early to be like, hey, I'm hungry now. Yeah, I wonder why. So, yeah, that was fun.
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Greg
Cats in the middle of the night, particularly males in the past have just driven me nuts.
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Steven
Yeah.
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Greg
We'Ve had female cats and in the middle of the night, the worst they've ever done is come over to you and knead your chest because they want you to be comfortable and then sleep on you. And that's the extent of it. And I was like, that's pretty cute. But male cats. I lived with this host family for half a year over here in Japan when I was a college student. And they had a very large house. They were quite well to do. And it was an old style house. So it has a kind of walking veranda, if you can describe it like that, that goes around the perimeter of the house.
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Steven
Usually the engawa is what they call it. Right.
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Greg
Wow. That is along the backyard, you know that.
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Steven
Yes.
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Greg
And it usually, as you said, the perimeter of the house goes around to the back. Usually has some gardens, maybe to the driveway, whatever it is nowadays. But anyway, that has an outer side and then the inner side. It's supposed to be all open in the summertime to keep things cool. And then they close it up in the winter to keep things. And I'm using air quotes now, but warm, but it's like paper and glass walls. So they do nothing. Anyway, so in that hallway usually in the night, I lived right on the inside of that hallway. That was where my room was. And it had these paper doors for Suma. And you've seen him before, all listeners of the latticed paper covered doors in Japanese homes. And the male cat of the house would walk back and forth up and down that engawa during the night. And when I arrived at the house, I was just like, man, this place looks pretty old. I don't know what's going on here because all the. The paper in the bottom of the lattice was all punched out. And I walked into the room and I was like, oh, wait a minute, this isn't old. It's not decrepit. I was like, it's beautiful. It's a very nice room. It's a nice tatami room. And I was like, but why are all the. The lattices punched out in the night? The male cat would pow. Through the. Through the latticing, walk into the room and then continue to stare at me and meow as if I was gonna do a fucking thing for this cat. Like, I don't. I was never told to feed it. I didn't have to do anything about it. Like, yeah, it just would like stare in there and fucking exorcist me in the Middle of the night, like, just, like, stare at me and do shit. Well, I don't know if that's Exorcist, whatever that movie was. Poltergeist. Not Poltergeist. What was the one with the, like, found footage in the sleeping.
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Steven
Oh.
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Greg
It was popular for like.
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Steven
Yeah, I know. I know what you're talking about. Everybody. Everybody is yelling at us right now.
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Greg
Yes. All right. So it was like that. So I was like, f. This. I was like, this is. This is really not fun. Like, it scared the hell out of me too. So the top of the fisuma was a little bit unique. It was a glass or a plastic. It was a plastic sheet. So half. The bottom half was the lattice thing, and the top half was like a plastic sheet. So what I did was I didn't even ask permission for this, but I took it out because they usually just pull them and pull them up and then pull them out from the bottom to get them out easily. I flipped it upside down so that the large plastic or glass plastic sheeting was below and the latticing was up on top and it was pretty high up. So I used that for the door and figured myself pretty clever and went to bed. And that evening, I'm oblivious to the world. I'm sound asleep, but I am woken by. Ow. The cat threw its entire body into the plastic sheeting.
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Steven
Yes. Yes.
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Greg
And I just hear silence for a couple seconds as I wake up out of my slumber. And then a few seconds later, I hear slow walking away, and I go, aha. Gotcha. All right. So that was one. But then a couple nights later, I thought that this was over.
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Steven
But.
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Greg
Again, out of my slumber, I'm awoken by. I'm going. I wake up, and immediately. I'm kind of used to it now, and I know what the origin of this cacophony is. Cacophony. Cacophony there.
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Steven
Cacophony. Yeah.
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Greg
And fossa's on the wrong syllable. But I can't figure out for the life of me what or how is going on or how it's making this song. Because I'm like, no, he can't possibly be doing that because I already fixed all this. And now this was a rather portly cat. And I turn on the light, and I see the cat has managed to jump up and try to get through the holes that were in the top of the fasuma, but couldn't quite get its body through the entire thing. So it was stuck halfway through. Through the fucking latticing, kicking the bottom of the door with its feet and, and not being able to do anything with its front paws stuck in. And I just. Fucking adult male cats are just the worst after that and I just kind of gave up and I left the door open in the middle of the night after that. So, yeah, the cat won.
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Steven
Yeah. Yeah, we. He. He. Simba has not been allowed in the bedroom for, for a while due. Due to a couple different things. But like, you know, for the first year or so he was here, he, he did, you know, he, he was allowed to kind of come back and forth at night, but one of the reasons that, that he's no longer allowed to do that was because he would. He would do the, like running around laps in the middle of the night. But also like he, he liked that there was a window next to our bed and along my side of it. So like if he jumped on the, the side table, you know, where my alarm clock is and all that stuff, like he could see out the window or get to the window and so he would just, you know, get a running start. Like he would just run across the apartment and down the hallway into our bedroom and like at a full run, you know, jump up on the bed on, you know, on me, over me to get to the thing. So, you know, it was like you'd just be sleeping and then you'd get like the sack tap, like you just kick me in the nuts jumping off of me or in the stomach to get to where he wanted to go. So yeah, for, for reasons like that, yeah, we. We eventually kicked him out of the, the bedroom for good. But I think we've shared enough silly stories for now. We do have. Believe it or not, folks, we are here to talk about some one piece. And we also, well, stick around and you'll. You'll find out. We. We will be talking. I. I believe we'll. We'll probably cover the latest three chapters. At least that's what I, that's what I wrote down my, my summaries for. And we do have a bunch of Patreon questions from folks that have been accumulating. So we'll have plenty to talk about in just a moment. But before that, a quick Patreon plug here. If you subscribe@patreon.com One Piece podcast, you can get some extra bonus goodies. And one of those things, of course has been our sticker club that Steve has been doing where it's, I believe it is the $12 a month tier, something like that. There is a monthly sticker that will go out. You will get to vote between two options every month for which sticker you want it to be. And it'll be between two of our amazing, you know, pieces of art are our thumbnails for the episodes that Steve does specifically. But all that money goes to not only supporting the, you know, hosting the podcast and making sure that the, the website stays up, but also allows us to compensate our many professional artists and amazing artists, both professional and not, who have contributed over the years. And so that's, you know, it's a, it's a great way to, to show your support. So please do check that out. Um, aside from that, I think there's. Well, it's not really news yet, I, I guess. But, you know, we, we are. This is episode 897. We have episode 900 of the One Piece podcast coming up soon. And there are some big plans in the works, some fun stuff that I'm sure Zach is very excited to announce to everybody, which will be, uh, you know, I'm sure we'll be divulging details soon, so keep your eyes peeled for that. But without any further ado, I think let's go ahead and talk about some manga.
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Greg
Manga.
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Greg
Foreign.
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Steven
This is the manga recap for chapters 11, 66, 67 and 68, our three most recent chapters. Obviously it's been. There are several more that were between our last SGS recording and this one. But you know, we, we, we only have, let's say three hours today and not, you know, five or six to, to go through all of that, so we gotta cut it off Somewhere. But we will start here with 1166. What was the chapter? Oh, yes. New. New story or new stories. And here is our little recap. Rox's curse is undone thanks to the blows from Roger and Garp, which is just long enough for him to be killed by Garling. Roger's crew discovers baby shanks inside the chest. And various figures react to the aftermath of this event, such as Garp, Sengoku, Dragon, and Loki. But Harold takes the news hardest of all and breaks off his horns in a show of atonement. So we're kind of getting the very tail end of the God Valley material here.
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Greg
The flashback in the flashback. Yeah, in a long, long story. I'm not crazy about the style. I mean, every once in a while it's okay, but I don't like how Oda keeps trending towards doing the straw hats looking like they came out of a Dovitz no Mori kind of thing. Like, everything, everybody sizing feels a little bit. Oh, yes, I said that in Japanese, didn't I?
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Steven
Yes.
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Greg
Sorry.
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Steven
Yeah.
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Greg
Everybody'S size looks just like a little bit off. I don't know if that's intentional or not, but like, particularly the Zorro, like they just seem like their proportions are slightly weird.
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Steven
Yeah, they're definitely a little more. A little trending toward Chibi sized.
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Greg
I don't know. I missed the old lanky days, but that's me.
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Steven
Yeah.
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Greg
Okay, so I was thinking about Garling here, who seems to land the killing blow on Xebeck, if he did. Indeed. You never know. It's one piece.
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Steven
You never know.
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Greg
And I recently had to write. I didn't have to. I chose to write. No, actually this I did. I had to write an article on Garling and was doing a lot of thinking about that dude recently, and I thought, huh, you know what? Since Garp and Roger were involved in this whole thing and since they were there for that, I mean, not physically at that location at the time, but since Garling is the one who would be responsible for killing somebody who is a rival. Friend. Rival. It really put a nice bow on everything. If Garp is the one to take down Garling. The battle of the Gars. Who is more garbage? Yeah, I think that will probably be what we'll see. And Garp is even. I think he's got like 10 years on Garling. Not quite, but somewhere around there he's.
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Steven
Got older than Garling.
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Greg
Yeah.
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Steven
Yeah. Okay.
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Greg
So I think it'd be a pretty cool matchup seeing the fight of the gds. Ggs it is the GG Holy shit. The ggs yeah, it's GG And Gigi and they're garping. Oh, my God. He's got. Okay, it's. That's it. He's definitely doing that. Then.
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Steven
Nice.
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Greg
G and G. And then when he finishes, he can just say GG No. Good game. No.
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Steven
Okay. I'm. I'm writing it down. I'm. We gotta. We gotta save this golden title material here.
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Greg
I mean, we're not even it. But I'm. I'm sorry. It's. It's. That's the episode title for me, regardless of what we end up with GG but no, I. I think that would be. I don't know. You have any thoughts on that?
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Steven
I like it. I like it a lot. I think that's a good. It's a good. It's a good way to have Garp do something heroic. You know, like it. There's a tension, and I don't. I, you know, I try not to, like, let the. I guess the sort of. The community opinions, you know, kind of set my expectations too much. But, you know, people. There were definitely a lot of people that were very hard on Garp through this just because, you know, it's like, oh, you. You know, you did all of this. You saw all of this stuff, this horrible stuff that was going on here, and then you chose to stay in the, you know, in the organization that is kind of, you know, if not directly responsible. They're. They're. They're sort of running security for the, you know, the Celestial Dragons in this. This very sick scheme. And so, you know, people were very, you know, critical of Garp's motivations and, you know, how, like, what are his. His true ideals here? And I think that that would be a great way for him to do something that is. That. That is meaningful and is. Is good for the world. Because obviously, you know, G. If you couldn't tell by now, Garling is being built up to be quite a villainous figure here. And so that's a way for Garp to do something that isn't necessarily tearing down the Marines, because I don't think, you know, that's clearly not what Garp's mission is. But tearing down, like, the guys who are kind of manipulating and. And twisting the Marines, you know, most noble goals into their own selfish, you know, reasons. I think Garlic being a figurehead of that would be a great, you know, way to kind of. To. To sum that up and to give. To give Garp something really important and cool to do so. I am all for it. I like that idea.
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Greg
I had no idea that criticism exists and existed exists. And I cannot agree with that on any level. I don't think a lot of people are viewing this from not a comic book view, but Gakueni, a very realistic view and seeing the kind of man that Garp really is. Because this is 100% what ODA is going for. But Garp compared to Dragon or even Luffy. Now, you could make a couple different arguments for Luffy because of who he is and what he's able to accomplish. He's able to accomplish more and he will accomplish more. But Garp is. I just. This is another thing I hate. I don't like to keep saying this, but I just wrote an article about Garp and this is one that I did show story. It's up on the One Piece homepage. And I go through the individual points comparing Luffy to Garp. And it comes down to basically the same character, which might surprise a lot of people, but one choice that Gart made in life and that was to protect Luffy chose to follow his dream. Luffy chose fun with people. Freedom, right? The freedom to enjoy with other people. While he's doing that, he will protect them. Garp chose Maine to protect. And it's almost not quite. It's not quite, but it's almost paladin level of I will protect at whatever cost. And he is not. He is not in the Marines. This. This much is. Should be obvious to anybody, but he's not in the Marines to. To forward anything or any ideal that they have under the world government. He is there solely to protect the people that he is working with, that he has worked with, and the people that will continue to come into the system regardless of what he does. He basically, I guess they would say, like his tamago in Japanese, his egg that he is raising is Aokiji. Aokiji. Can I say it like Zach Aokiji is. No, sorry, Zach. Kuzan is basically what he's there for. To create the next generation that will be able to collectively undo whatever knots the world had itself tied into before. And he chose that the best way for him to do that at that point in his life was from the inside. He's not being covert or anything like that. He is simply trying to raise people to think for themselves. And he has succeeded in that with Kuzan. Oh, wait, what is Kuzan doing right now? You'll find out what Kuzan stands for. You'll see all of that. That'll be fine. But if anything, he is taking the Japanese samurai level of, I work for a corrupt master, but I will do anything in my power to make sure that other people do not need to be corrupted as I have been. And I am not suicidal, so I will not off myself, because that's one option that you could take as a samurai. But he says, no, I'm going to make sure that other people make it through. And I think that's highly honorable. Now, an old poster from Arlong park, who I keep in touch with, Liberty mentioned to me, what about what Fujitora did? Like, isn't that more honorable? And I guess he's talking about some of the events that occurred at Marijoa. And what did he do? I think he protected people that were revolting or he did something of that nature. And I was like, no, that's the same thing. That dude never, never tried to. He's trying to force a change now. And Fujitora has been vocal about that. He can because he has that position. But I think Garp didn't want to bring enough attention to himself, whereas Fujitora will always be in the spotlight because of that position. And we don't know his history with Sakazuki yet. So I mean, that's. He could be there for a whole list of complicated reasons. And he talks to Sakazuki like, nobody should talk to Sakazuki. Yeah, those two, whatever those two have, it goes back. So the fact that he's doing what he's doing is not necessarily just because he's a great, good, honorable person, but because he knows Sakazuki. I mean, whatever it is, they know each other very well and they have some deep connection. So he is, by nature, he can be that bold. Plus, I think he also reads the room and he knows that the winds of change are coming. So I think that the two of them are doing what they can in their own respective ways. So that criticism of Garp really doesn't land with me. I understand that people hold it, but I cannot agree with it.
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Steven
Yeah, I mean, it is, it is a very memey kind of opinion that, that people hold, which, you know, means that I think a lot of them are kind of jokey in nature, but obviously there's, there's people who will take that seriously. And I, I do think it is unfair to Garp as a character because if your criticism comes down to like, well, you know, he didn't single handedly overturn the structure of the Navy and, you know, fix all the problems that they had given what we know about like, you know, the, the, the pressures that are put on the Navy and, and the limitations that they deal with and stuff. It's like, well, I mean, you know, it's just not fair. Like he's just a one guy, he can't do everything, he's not omnipotent and you wouldn't have a story if he was able to solve all those problems. It's much more interesting to, to kind of, to see him as a, a three dimensional character who is working with what he can do and, and living within that, those boundaries and you know, seeing where he, where he takes it from here.
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Greg
But I think that that really is, was the chapter for me because everything else kind of played out as it needed to.
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Steven
Yeah, yeah.
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Greg
The only question that was in my mind at this point was whether Harald was really into it, really had his heart set on being in the world government because he had these genuine.
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Steven
I.
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Greg
Don'T want to say delusions of grandeur, but kind of rose colored glasses of what the future could be for his people without knowing exactly about what the world government was all about and without knowing about immigration. But that was the big question in my mind at this point still was does he have, or is he going to, does he want this position, to betray them basically to get in, get trusted. It's a long game and then in the end try to fight back. What led to that night in the castle of him being killed was it found out that he wanted to double cross the world government or what? And that was what I was still puzzling over in this chapter.
- [38:06]
Steven
Yeah, I mean he's definitely the, and I don't want to lean too heavily on the sort of the dramatic irony of like, okay, well we as readers know that the bad guys are the bad guys because it's, it's very obvious. And so, you know, of course we're meant to be sort of frustrated by his seeming naivete and I don't know, I don't know that I have like a great answer for like if, if he kind of walked into this with open eyes knowing what, what was possible or if, you know, if in his mind he's just thinking, look, as long as we, as long as we get our foot in the door and do this thing like it's, it's forward progress and if someone else has to, you know, has to, to pick up the pieces after me, at least I've gotten us this far ahead and, and maybe just not, you know, not really being fully aware of the. The potential for disaster that, you know, this, The. This sidling up to the powers that be would cause. Yeah, but, you know, I think it's pretty clear that he's, you know, he's designed as a tragic figure because, yeah, he's. It's kind of what. What has put Elbaf in this position.
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Greg
As future us will find out. Yes, that is the answer.
- [39:37]
Steven
Yep. Okay, so 1167, we. In this one, Harald does the bidding of the five elders and the Navy. In order to win brownie points for Elbaf, he takes on the first level of the Covenant, with Emu taking his place alongside the Knights of God. Harald jokes about betrothal of Loki and Shirahoshi and advises Saul to build a school in Elbaf. Shanks returns to Mary Joa amid strange circumstances, just as Fisher Tiger escapes and frees the slaves. And as Eda grows sick, poisoned by jealous members of Estrid's village, Loki takes revenge and declares himself to be Eda's son. This is a very packed chapter. There's a lot that happened in this one.
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Greg
This was a very nice chapter. Is. Yeah, we finally got the full Giant squad, like, rundown here. Who's the one that wears the mask? Do you remember? Is that Lacroix. Lacroix La Croix.
- [40:45]
Steven
Which. Oh, the. When they're doing the. The salute. Yeah, I don't. Honestly, I don't remember any of the. Aside from John Giant. I don't remember any of the marine guys because they're all, you know, data book.
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Greg
I have not followed this very closely. Yeah, and this might be in, like. Like, vivre card stuff or whatever, but, like, the dude with the spiky hair on the very, very left. Is that the first time we see his face? Like, I just. I haven't looked into this at all, but, like, he, He. He's the dude who always wears the mask, and he looks super intimidating. Right. And he's over here looking like Emmett Nervin from Freakazoid.
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Steven
Yeah, he does. Yeah. He's got a big goofy smile on.
- [41:33]
Greg
His face, so that's what he looks like. Also, I think there's the one with the. The hair on the end. Oh, no, that. That's a. That ends up being a different one. But there was one giant in the Marine spread that Oda did for Zet that, like, I could never pin down. And. Yeah, I don't know. I guess maybe not in this. This one either, but Big chapter for lore.
- [42:00]
Steven
Oh, yeah.
- [42:01]
Greg
Because. And I don't know if you are privy to this or not, or you even knew anything was going on. But there was a ton of stuff going on behind the scenes for this chapter with me and the production side, because you ever. You ever look at something and be like, well, I'm really glad the sky is blue. And somebody's like, what do you mean the sky is blue? And you're like, the sky thing that's over our head every day, that's blue. And they're like, no, it's green. And you're like, what are you talking about that happened with this chapter? It was just like. I was just like, oh, wow.
- [42:40]
Steven
Yeah.
- [42:40]
Greg
So, you know, it was nice to see the Fisher Tiger thing, but, like, it's a real shame that, you know, that had to be pinned on Shanks because, you know, first he lost the climb, that epic climb, and now he loses the fact that, you know, he had to rely on Shanks for this. And people were just like, what do you mean he lost the epic climb? And I was like, you know, the climb that, you know, he was rumored to have and all the papers said and everything, but it never happened. And people were like, what do you mean it never happened? And I was like, what do you mean, it never happened? And so there was this just massive back and forth about, like, but no, but, no, but this, but this and this. It turns out that there was a major plot hole that was created with the Fisherman island backstory related to Fisher Tiger. And it comes down to an age of Boa Hancock that was presented when she was captured and when she was freed. And that information comes out first in the series, in the chronological order of the series, that information came out first. And so everything that followed it is based on that. And if you do the math for a. When Fisher Tiger shows up on Fishman island and he's going, hey, Arlong. Hey, Jinbe. That is given as 16 years ago because. And I don't know if this is Lost's fault or not, because the Fishman island story, specifically his story, is told a little bit out of order. And there aren't always. Unless there's a big jump, like of a year or more. There aren't necessarily ODA boxes that tell you precisely how much time has passed or when things occurred.
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Steven
Mm.
- [44:25]
Greg
It's not very clear when some. And there are further muddying it. Are flashbacks within flashbacks.
- [44:32]
Steven
Yeah.
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Greg
But because of everything that happened, people were under the impression that Fisher Tiger was captured as a slave, escaped, then went back and led a raid for an escape. And that is not the case. There Never was the climb. It didn't happen because that was just the story. That was the fake news that the world government came up with and propagated and worked in his favor because it rallied people to him, or at least the Fishman, because he was always captured and he was always enslaved.
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Steven
Now, is that when you say that, that this, this was always the case, do you think? I mean, are you saying that that was oda's idea for it or is that how we are supposed to interpret it, to make all the facts line up?
- [45:31]
Greg
That was oda's idea for it and that's how the facts line up. Except for when he arrives on Fishman island, it's given as 16 years ago. However, when he's showing up there and saying hi to Arlong and Jinbe, it's immediately following the events of this chapter, which are given here as the events.
- [45:51]
Steven
Of this chapter 15, which are given.
- [45:53]
Greg
As 15 years ago. So it's that discrepancy with Boaz Age that doesn't make it work. And I did confirm this. Now, Oda can change this if he wants to. I think there's actually going to be some changes made to. We have to see what. What decision is finally made because they have a bunch of tough decisions in what to edit and how far to edit. Do they edit the. I mean, they have to edit past books anyway. But to what degree and what information I actually went through the different iterations of like, you can change if you want to make the climb something that actually occurred. You need to make these changes if you want to as you intended it. You need to make these changes. And I confirmed it with the editor that like, yes, that was the intention was that all of that was actually fake and didn't happen. It was a story created around him and there were not two captures of Fisher Tiger. And when he shows up on the island, on Fisherman island that is immediately following these events. So it cannot be 16 years ago or it is and Boa's age was wrong. I don't want to think about all that again. And it's too annoying to listen to on the podcast, so I'm not going to go through all of it. But I did have diagrams and all sorts of crazy red string boards and things going together and pointing to events. But it was a crazy week when that came out because it was a constant back and forth with fans and with the production side. Very interesting. I had no idea that people thought that that was a thing that occurred. But yeah.
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Steven
Yeah, it's. I mean, and you know, when you, when you look at the big picture, it's like the story of Fisher Tiger is, is obviously important, you know, in the sense that anything is important, you know, in the story. But, but it's also fairly secondary to like the, you know, the, the plot, the main plot, the present day plot of, you know, of Fishman Island. Like, it's, it's there to kind of help tell the story of, of Boa and to, to set, you know, to set the stage for the current generation of, of people who are, you know, that their, their story is playing out in the present day. But, but it's also, it's not like it's the, the, the central thing that everything hangs upon. He's just kind of an interesting figure from the past. And so like having to do a bunch of really careful manipulation to make sure all the details line up perfectly is, you know, hey, Oda's good at, @ keeping track of, of this stuff, but like, even he, I think would probably tell you that, man, this is too complicated. Like, I wish, I wish I had told it in a, in a more simple and streamlined fashion because I don't think that's necessarily like what he's really trying to, I don't think he wants to be tied down by like, well, I wrote this number on this scene and then this number on this other scene. He may not even been thinking about this stuff. And then, you know, retroactively is like, oh, well, now I need to explain this. And you know, I, I think that's, that's kind of riding on your back foot. Like you don't want to, to set your story up that way. I think it's, it's better if he, if he knows exactly what he wants to do and, and just goes right into it. And so yeah, it's a, it's a bunch of complicated stuff that. Who knows if anyone even cares is my people super care. You would, you would be? Well, some people do. Some people.
- [49:34]
Greg
Do because, Because, God, I was afraid to put it on Twitter even because of the backlash. But like, a lot of people thought that the climb actually occurred. And unfortunately the onus lies with Oda on this because he did draw the Fishman island story being somewhat out of order and with flashbacks within flashbacks without specific times. But he drew just enough so you could extrapolate enough information to know who was where and when. And this led to also the vever cards being incorrect. The beaver cards incorrectly list two occasions that Fisher Tiger gets caught on because of the whole BOA stuff. So it's quite unfortunate, but the responsibility lies with Oda on this one because he drew it that way for dramatic reasons, because he wanted to hide the fact that Fisher Tiger was actually enslaved for the end of the flashback. So everything was presented a little bit ambiguously with that surprise in mind, which I respect, but if you want to do it, you really got to be on your.
- [50:48]
Steven
Game.
- [50:49]
Greg
Yeah. And unfortunately, he messed up that time. So I guess more back to the actual events of this chapter is I'm not super crazy that Shanks was responsible for. I mean, we don't know how Fisher initially got free. Right. Like, we don't understand behind.
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Steven
That. Right. He's. He's already free. You know, you can say Shanks definitely helped.
- [51:14]
Greg
Him. Oh.
- [51:15]
Steven
Big. It's like, you know, the.
- [51:17]
Greg
Bookie. The storage facility is a big.
- [51:21]
Steven
Thing. Yes. Yeah. Like, they, you know, you wouldn't have been able to, like, set off all these explosions or whatever is happening. And certainly it would have been much, much harder, if not impossible for him to free all these other folks. But, you know, I. I don't know how, you know, it's. It's debatable, you know, the extent to which this made all that stuff happen. But, yeah, for sure, he's drawing a very. A very clear line here between Shanks and Tiger's.
- [51:55]
Greg
Exploits. Yeah. I thought ODA was going to break the Internet with this, this large Shamrock and Shanks Bishonin looking, Rosa Versailles looking motherfuckers here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look at the two of these guys. They need their own Bishy spin off, I'm.
- [52:16]
Steven
Sure.
- [52:16]
Greg
Yeah. Some emotional stuff going on with Eda and Loki being.
- [52:28]
Steven
Loki.
- [52:30]
Greg
Yes. Loki's gonna. Loki. But yeah, that was. That was a chapter for me. It was a. It was. For me, the chapter was about Fisher.
- [52:38]
Steven
Tiger. Yeah. Yeah. A very, A very complex story there. Do you have. Do you. Do you take any of these theories? I've seen. I've seen some stuff where, where people were wondering if there's even another layer to, like, you know, obviously with the. The way it's written. You know, the. The very. The most simple surface level is like, you know, like, if you. If you put yourself in the, like the, the barely paying attention category, it's like you look at this and you're like, what. Why is Shanks being so evil? Like, is he secret? Is he really a celestial dragon, like, on the. On the inside? And then, of course, you know, the, The. The very clear insinuation from the, the scene that you see prior to that and Obviously, knowing who. Who Shanks is as a character, you're like, oh, okay, so he's. He's undercover. Like.
- [53:40]
Greg
He'S. He's doing what Harold should have done.
- [53:44]
Steven
Right? Yeah, exactly. Yes, He's. He's playing along to. To hide his. His true nature and to. To. In. In the process. But I saw some other people that were like, speculating that, like, I don't know that they were even doing more of like a sort of Prince and the Pauper thing where it was like, well, Shanks and Shamrock are identical twins. So, like, is it possible that in this scene Shanks is actually Shamrock and. And all this stuff, and. Which I think is maybe a little. It's putting a hat on a hat, as the saying goes, that it's a little too, like, looking for cleverness when it's not really required. I don't know if you had seen anything like that.
- [54:27]
Greg
Or. Or no, and I'm glad I didn't because, I mean, to what extent? What. What. What.
- [54:34]
Steven
Point? Right, right. To what end? Yeah.
- [54:35]
Greg
Yeah. I mean. Yeah, no, I'm sorry, it doesn't resonate with me. Yeah, it doesn't seem like it would have a point. It seems like it's looking for something that doesn't need to be.
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Steven
There. Yes. So that will take us to the Most recent chapter 1168, the Snows of Elbaf. In this chapter, Harald is heartened by the progress Elbaf is making at home and abroad, but mourns the death of Ida. He is made a fully fledged Knight of God, the next highest step of the covenant, but it comes at the cost of his freedom. Back in Elbaf, Emu demands that Harald create a giant army and controls his body. Loki and Jarl are summoned to the castle, but don't know.
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Greg
Why. So a couple things about this chapter. We finally get confirmation of the mark. And the level of the mark, I guess, gives you different abilities.
- [55:43]
Steven
Right? Right. The.
- [55:43]
Greg
Power. Power. And so far, I guess what you could describe as eternal life, right? Yeah, I guess that eternal life would extend over into how they can be sliced and diced and cut apart. We don't know for.
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Steven
Sure. Yeah, I was kind of assuming that as well, since we, you know, we saw the elders kind of doing like weird shadow morphing stuff when they. When they got cut up.
- [56:14]
Greg
So.
- [56:14]
Steven
Yeah.
- [56:15]
Greg
Yeah. So this O with the cross through it, I believe I've talked about this before, but, like, turn it sideways and well, 190 degrees. Rotate it 90 degrees and you've got a pirate cross. Now, I know that has the horns up there. So it's. It's meant to look like a 45.
- [56:36]
Steven
Degrees. If you. If you rotated 90 degrees, it would be the exact same.
- [56:39]
Greg
Symbol. Thank you very much. Yeah, thank you so much. The first thing I was going to fucking say was 180 degrees. And I was like, that's right off. Okay. Okay. So, yeah, 45 degrees, and you get a pirate cross. You get the Jolly Roger, which shows that, you know, no matter who the straw hats are fighting, they're still fighting some form of pirate. Also, it is Oda's O. From his signatures, from his autographs, it's an O with the X through it, which represents also the world. And the horns probably being, you know, representing control over the world. So that's basically what this is. It's a symbol of the world under the control of Imu. And the horns probably being representing of the same being that we saw on Onigashima, whatever that skull belonged to the abomination that I like to talk about so much. And that's probably what IMU wants to get back to. Whatever Imu is, it wants to get back to that body. Don't know if that was Imu's original body. I don't think it was. But whatever it is in now, possibly Lily's body, it wants to get back to that because that is either its true form or the form that it knows can take.
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Steven
Control. That is the Greg's grand unified.
- [58:06]
Greg
Theory. Yep, yep, yep. There's an interesting way of spelling elbow on the. On the ship.
- [58:15]
Steven
Here. Akira. Yeah.
- [58:18]
Greg
Yes. So I've been in.
- [58:20]
Steven
Contact. Do you have a story? Okay. All right. I was just about to say, were you going to tell this.
- [58:23]
Greg
Story? Yeah. So I read that, and I was like, I do not care if it is Elbaf or Elbaph. I don't care. All I want is for the Japanese side to have some sort of a form of.
- [58:41]
Steven
Consistency. Consistency. Yeah. That's the.
- [58:43]
Greg
Thing. And getting elbow. I don't think I ever talked about this on the podcast. I'm not going to go into too much detail, but getting to the current official Japanese spelling of Japanese English spelling of elbow was. Was quite a journey. And they finally decided on it, and it was like, okay, this is what we're gonna do. And they went ahead and they did it, and we saw it in that chapter from whatever it was that shows Warland for the first.
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Steven
Time.
- [59:13]
Greg
Yeah. And I was like, okay, that's what they went with. That's it. And then they go ahead and do this one. And I emailed them about it first or no, I texted them about it first and they were like, okay. And then everybody was like that's a non response. They don't know what I'm talking about. And I was like, I sent him a picture and I was like, look this here, sorry, you know, to be unclear. But like this was not what was agreed upon. And they were like, ah, okay, yeah, sorry about that. Actually I did know about that, but I still allow the mistake to happen. We'll, we'll fix it in post kind of a thing. Whether they do or not, who knows? But, but yeah, that was, that was a thing that.
- [59:59]
Steven
Occurred. Yeah, it's like you, all you can really say about it is okay, well there's, there's certainly a long and storied past history of, of you know, double spellings like this existing in one piece. So it's not like this is necessarily any worse than, than usual. But this is also why, you know, they, over the years the, you know, the sort of, the behind the scenes attempts to keep everything steady has, has only grown in that time to be like, okay, let's make sure everybody knows what these are supposed to be. And so that part is I think the most frustrating of.
- [60:40]
Greg
It. Yeah, this chapter gave us our answer for what? I mean the arc has several themes going on. The kind of the modern arc is mixed blood, mixed heritage. And that's certainly going on with Gabon. We've forgotten that because we've been away from it for so long. But the big question from the start, almost the very start of the arc was which way does Elbaf go. In terms of does it take the sword or does it burn the book? What does Elbaf do? And Eda gives us our answer right here. Eda is the Otis thesis for what he wants the theme to be. And it is, it is complicated and not everybody's gonna like it, but it is what it is. And she says it's, it's super funny. It's, it's really. She says it quite sweetly here and it's, it's almost thrown away because it seems like she's even interrupted and, and appropriately so cleverly so. Harold pretty much blows over precisely what she says here, but it's on page, I believe.
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Steven
Five. Five.
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Greg
Yeah. And she's just like, God, I'm sorry, I got the Japanese here. I don't know what it says in English. No, that's.
- [61:58]
Steven
Fine. Yeah, go right.
- [61:59]
Greg
Ahead. She's just like. 10, 10, 10. So I'm not sure what you were able.
- [62:12]
Steven
To. Yeah, well, I. Yeah, I'm not. I mean, I'm looking at the Japanese too, so this. This was like, you know. Oh, okay. All right. I love the. You know, the warrior's pride. It's. It's so cool. And you have to treasure your culture.
- [62:26]
Greg
So. Yeah, and Harold's just like. He just completely blows past it, which is. Which is the point. Which is why he ultimately chose. Poorly Harald chose the book. And the book is not the answer, but it is not not the answer. Eda's telling him that both are important. You must remember your culture. You must remember who you are, and you must protect that. But you must also add the new and continue to improve in different ways. She likes what he's doing the world. She thinks that's a beautiful endeavor. But what he's done is dropped their heritage and he's forgotten about who they are. And they're losing who they are. And they will lose themselves if they lose that. Love it or leave it. She is saying you shouldn't, and she's not reprimanding him here, but I mean, that's the thesis. That's what Oda's trying to say is you should not forget where you came from. What I'm trying to say is that Elbaf is Moana. Roll credits. Move on. Find your new islands. Yes, but don't forget who you are and where you came from, because that's what brought you here. And you need to hold that. You need to hold that up. And it's almost like a tom. Thing. It's like whatever you were, whatever you produced, like, own it, no matter what it was. Own it because it's something that you made and you were a part of, and try to make tomorrow a better tomorrow. So the answer is not to be warlike, to not only be warlike, or to not just be bookish and to go to walk the path of peace. It is to balance peace with strength. And. I don't know. That's what I'm saying. That's what I was saying here. Agree, disagree. This is the chapter that basically gave us the answer, and for what I'm sure we'll see in the future is that Elbaf will take up arms to defend itself, but they will also become scholars of the world, I'm sure. Giant.
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Steven
Scholars. Yeah. I mean, it is. It's kind of ironic that, you know, like. Like Harold's goal here is to, you know, to be welcomed within the. Was it the circle of the world? I think that's what the, that's the, the phrase that, that Oda likes to use but you know, in order to, to, to foster, you know, understanding and trade and stuff like that. But like, you know, pretty much hit the entire time that we've seen him since he turned himself around with Edith's help as, as a younger man was like, yes, we go around to these other islands and we, we make friends with it. Like he was kind of doing that already in a way. Like they, they were, they were making really good inroads with, you know, their kind of neighbors on the sea. So from the reader's perspective at least it does kind of feel like, well, what, what more is, you know, taking this, this, you know, leap forward really going to get you, you know, in terms of, in, in terms of like what Elbaf can do as a, as a country. So that part, I mean, maybe that's just an issue of perception, but it did seem a little ironic to.
- [66:01]
Greg
Me. Yeah. Oh, and while I, before I forget it, one more thing from the previous chapter just to pull in is they mentioned briefly about like, oh, that giant thing that you saw was that in the Florian Triangle? And they're like, no, no, no. So the spoilers I saw got picked up and they were like, oh, so it was a giant ship. That's what the Florian triangle. No, no, no, no, no. Oda pulled that out because he wants it in your brain because I'm sure the coming months, perhaps year or so, he will touch on that. So he wants you to be thinking about that. That's why he brought it up. But no, if you compare even Harold's ship there to the ship that he cut Cleaves in half, not even his ship is anywhere near the size of what was glimpsed in the Florian triangle. The entirety of throw up arc was tiny compared to that.
- [66:55]
Steven
So. Right.
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Greg
Right. Not even.
- [66:57]
Steven
Close. Speaking of things that we were so busy talking about. Fisher, Tiger, but stuff that Oda wants you to think about, even if he's not necessarily spelling it out directly, is we didn't talk about Harold talking with Neptune about Shirahoshi, did.
- [67:20]
Greg
We? Oh yeah, that. Yeah, that's an afterthought. Yeah. Well, okay. No, that was, it was just like, Ah, okay. So what Steven's alluding to is the fact that Oda is alluding to that Shaggy is indeed the most.
- [67:45]
Steven
Emotional.
- [67:46]
Greg
Yeah. And if they aren't at this point, like. Okay, all right, yeah, tell me your.
- [67:52]
Steven
Story. Right. If he's not setting it up, then it's Then he's doing a red herring to try to make us get sidetracked on that, because there's very little reason why he would not. Other reason why he would have included this little.
- [68:08]
Greg
Scene. I'm still waiting on Streisand. That's my biggest reason. And pudding, those are my two big ones. If we get that, I'll go fucking nuts because I called the shit out of that years ago. This was. Do you remember who it was? Because I was on a Kobe wagon when we first discussed it. And then I think somebody brought it up in the comments. Did they.
- [68:35]
Steven
Not? Sure.
- [68:36]
Greg
Yeah. We had.
- [68:36]
Steven
Questions. I think it was snp. Zach was looking it up when we covered this chapter because I was explaining. I was going through the whole. The etymology of all that stuff. Okay. And, yeah, it was. It was one of our.
- [68:51]
Greg
Listeners. Yeah. As soon as they mentioned that, I just started going through, well, what if, what if, what if, what if, what if? And everything just kept checking out. So, yeah, good call.
- [69:02]
Steven
There. Yep. All right. Yeah. And now it's kind of interesting. I don't know if you had any thoughts about this, because this is, you know, because of the. The timing of when we record, I. I won't see the next chapter for a couple days probably still. So I. I have no advanced knowledge at this point, but I wasn't actually sure at the end of this chapter whether or not he does say, let's get the story, you know, on the very last page of 1168, he does say, you know, let's return to. To the story. Which would suggest that, you know, we're. We're jumping back to the present day over whatever happened in the. The throne room. Maybe he's saving.
- [69:50]
Greg
That. Absolutely. No, he must, because. What's his name? We need the dramatic moment where the sword in the stone is. Where the Excalibur, where they.
- [69:59]
Steven
Put. They pull it from. From Jarl's.
- [70:02]
Greg
Head.
- [70:02]
Steven
Yep. And then he remembers. Wow, that's good. Okay. All right. I'm.
- [70:07]
Greg
Sold.
- [70:08]
Steven
Yep. Yeah, it was just because, you know, this is one of those things where I. I think, like a little. Little Japanese lesson, I guess. But at the very end of this, you know, little speech that. That Oda leaves us on, you know, he ends with the. The last thing is meikun hararu doga inochi otosu no daga, which is, you know, the. The. The great and wise King Harald would lose his life but come up. But.
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Greg
Yet.
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Steven
Yeah. Dot, dot, dot. And that's the sort of thing like that. That sentence construction of putting God. So God in this sense is like. But that you. You put at the end of a sentence or in between two sentences to, you know, to. To be the. Whatever you call it, the, the contrary particle there. However, in Japanese, like you can use that not to. You know, in a way that's like. It's just sort of softening the end of your sentence. Like it's something that doesn't really have a direct English, you know, corresponding version. But you know, you'll often see instances or like you know, when people talk. When people are talking politely to each other and they're. And like you're saying like, oh, I've got this thing for you. And then they'll end it with Ga, which is kind of suggesting like, oh, like here I got this thing, like do you want to see it or. Or not or something. You know, I got kind of like for.
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Greg
You. But it.
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Steven
Sucks. Yeah, it's not. Yeah, it's, it's not really like. Yeah, it's kind of a. Not humility, but there's. It's a softening agent in the, in the text that kind of like. It's a. It's a way to trail off the sentence to suggest that. Yeah, there's probably some more here, but we're. I'm not going to say it or it's kind of left to your imagination and it, you know, you could say, you could. I could have ended the sentence with but. But there, you know, it's. It doesn't really work quite the same way in English and I think it might confuse people a little bit. So, you know, I just thought I would throw that out there as like an interesting way that, that ODA ended the, the thing. Which, you know, I guess it's probably just to kind of tell you like, what could this mean? Like what. What could we see in the future? But he doesn't often, I think end the chapters like that. So it was an, it was an interesting choice. The only thing I can think.
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Greg
Of that's even close is the hikigane one. But I mean even. That's not exactly one to one comparison. But like which was it the hikigane. I think the trigger or something like that. When Blackbeard and Ace had their.
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Steven
Fight. Oh, uh.
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Greg
Huh. Yeah, that was another one where it was like, wait, what, what is he. What does he mean? I remember the online discussion back then. It wasn't exactly this. It didn't like end with Ga, but it was a similar one where it just like ended like what do you mean for what. Yeah, but anyway. Oh, Japanese. The only thing where you can give someone a gift of food and say, you're probably going to hate this because it'll taste like shit, but.
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Steven
Yes. Or when you give. Yes, you give someone a present and you. And you say literally, this is a boring thing, but.
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Greg
Here.
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Steven
Yes. Anyways, like I said, we do have quite a few questions to go.
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Greg
Over.
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Steven
Okay. And I think we should get to some.
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Greg
Sgs. Let's move it along and get to the sgs minus S because Simba's not in the.
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Steven
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Greg
You.
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Steven
Foreign. And we're back here with the SGS section. This is where we will take your comments, questions and theories and see if we have anything to add to them. I think normally we, you know, we'll, we'll take some, some Discord questions from our Patreon subscribers as well as, as on the social media channels. But we've got enough on the Discord that I, I think I'm just gonna stick to that for, for this time. And if you are curious or if you, if you would like to get your, your theories in here, if you are a Patreon subscriber, you can get access on the One Piece podcast Discord server to the Patreon section. And there is an SGS channel in there where you can put your questions and I will go through them. In this case I will include. Since, you know, we, we book. I'm looking at it right now. The bookmark for next time that I put in was on September 19th. So some of these questions might be a little, you know, out of date. They might have been answered by the, the series itself. We'll have to see when we go through them. But I'll include that for context. And our first one, this was from September 24th. So this is. This is quite a while ago. And this one comes from. And my name is Alex. This comes from our very own dude exclamation who says. Hey there fellas. And Simba. Everything happening in Elbaf, including the lengthy flashback, has made me forget all about this ominous quote from Louis Arnot. And I will, I will read it here because he included the the picture very early on in Elbaf. You may remember this. Oda gave us a little blurb from the explorer Louis Arnot, obviously known for writing Bragman, and I translated it as Adventurers, do not regret your lost time here. And then there's the word of warning. Do not overstay your welcome on Elbaf. So Alex says, is Elaf some sort of island where time passing is also giant, Similar to going to outer space and returning only to discover much more time has passed. This coupled with Shaggy having to leave so abruptly and a full scale war seemingly happening at Mary Joa makes me think that by the time the Straw Hats leave the island, the world will already be forever changed. And a time skip for everyone but our heroes, if you will. It'd be a way to fast track the end game of the series. Would Oda make this type of move? And he also adds also regarding the latest sgs, if Harold is alive, him showing up to save everyone in the nick of time would be pretty unexpected and would also give Loki some real emotional catharsis. Well, the very last text. Sorry to start to break this to you Alex, but the very last piece of text in the most recent chapter is the most beloved king in Elbaf's history. King Harold died. So I don't think we can count on Harold coming back. But we do have. We do have this interesting theory that he has about time passing. Do you have any thoughts on this.
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Greg
Greg? Okay, I would say that even though this is one piece, there is a strong likelihood that Harald is dead. Dead. You know, same for Xeebeck as well. Yeah, you can never be sure, but the story seems to be written as if they are. And there doesn't seem to be any winking at the camera that we should think otherwise. Similar to Pedro, who I will still count as alive because it just kind of makes sense. Or not. Pedro, yes, Pedro as well. But also. What's his name? Peckhams. Pedro and.
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Steven
Peckhams. The two Peckhams.
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Greg
Yeah. Pepe, I believe there's still hunky dory, But as for Harold being alive, I don't know that it would. See, we can't get too greedy because we had Saul being alive for Robin. Right? Yeah. The thing about that is Robin literally had nobody else. Everybody else has somebody that's connected to. I mean, even fucking Brooke now has multiple people who they're connected to. Yeah, that's true from their older life. But Robin had nobody. So if we grant him Harald back, let's say, oh, you know, things didn't quite occur, as we know. Or Loki managed to save him. Right. Like we don't know about it, but he managed to save him or some part of him or something like that. I don't think it would have the same emotional impact, nor would it be necessary for the character to have a link to the past. Nice link to the past, but yeah, so that's that. And I don't think it was meant to be dissected that carefully. But really looking at it, I always try to think like, well, if this is impossible, how could Oda do it? But it always comes down to what end? And I don't think that would be interesting in his mind. But it is curious the. Oh, the time. Let's do the time thing. Time thing. I don't think merely because then shouldn't Gavin be like 100 million years old. Or Gyakuni. Shouldn't he be like super.
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Steven
Young? He should be.
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Greg
Younger. Yeah, younger or something. Yeah. As time passed.
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Steven
Slow. I think that you could, you could argue that it's more of an issue of perception because if you're, if you're a human on this island, then a. It's. It's huge. So like any, any time you spend crossing it or whatever is taking way longer than it would on, you know, a normal island. A normal sized island. And if you're living among the giants, then like again, similar to, to Gabon. What is it? He's getting older. They stay the same age because they age so much slower. So it might just be kind of a way to underline that aspect of the way that everything works on a different timescale here. But not maybe not literally in terms of time.
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Greg
Passage. I do wonder if there's a sickness or something. Did this ever resolve? I haven't read anything, but did we ever learn why those dudes are wearing gas masks early on, like the followers of.
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Steven
Loki. Um, I. I'm not recalling these.
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Greg
Dudes. Remember, they showed up, they were like the, the humans who like sort of like are Loki's fanboys. They're like his. I don't know his stand in. They're. They're going to. They're going to come in the story when we least expected to accomplish some sort of goal. But they're the humans who live down in the, what is it, the dark realm or the death realm. And they all had.
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Steven
Like. Oh, that's right, they did have. They were like, almost like servants. Yeah, that's weird. I don't. I honestly, I remember.
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Greg
Them. They're there to do something when ODA needs them.
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Steven
To. Sure.
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Greg
Sure. But I think they all had gas masks. Is that part of it? Is there like a, like a daft green here or can you catch giantism by.
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Steven
Being. Yeah, I don't know. That's an odd.
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Greg
One. But no, that's a good point. It is a decent point to bring up because I think ODA wants you to have forgotten.
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Steven
That. Yes. For.
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Greg
Sure. By this point. Yeah, very astute, Alex. Thank you. Also, Alex, I don't want to talk too much about Alex's private life, but his, his youngling had a super cute Halloween costume. I don't know if he shared that story yet, but it was super.
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Steven
Adorbs. Yes, we've seen some, some great pictures from Mr. Alex. Okay, next, this is shooting forward to November 3rd. We have a couple questions here. This must have been, you know, one, one of the other breaks where everyone was. Was hoping to get their sgsn. Well, here we are now and we have this question from Zach S. I'm not sure if this is tongue in cheek or not. Okay, I'll just read this verbatim. Why does everyone call Magna artists and authors Sensei? Sensei. Sensei means teacher, Right? They aren't teaching Joe American podcaster slash YouTuber anything. It seems like needless ass kissing. Well, I'm not sure how serious to take this or not, but if you want, we can, we can give a little, a little Japanese lesson as for, for why. So there's a lot of different people that get called sensei in, in Japanese, not just teachers. That's. And it doesn't, it does not explicitly mean teacher. Right. It means like, like someone who was born. Born before. Yeah. And you know, not, not necessarily, literally. It's not like you would call everybody who was born before you that. But you know, it is, it conveys a sense of expertise and like, kind of professionalism. So, for example, what is it? Is it lawyers are called sensei too? I think I hadn't considered.
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Greg
That. I was thinking doctors, but.
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Steven
Like. Yeah, doctors. Yeah, doctors. Yeah. Maybe that's what I was thinking of. And I don't know, sometimes it's like.
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Greg
Scholars. Scholars. Not necessarily a teacher, but a scholar. Writers certainly are.
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Steven
Authors. Yes. And sometimes, sometimes like, you'll see scenes in, you know, a show or a movie or a manga or something where it's just kind of like some old like, like some retired, like politician or some guy who's just hanging out in his kimono and you know, he's old and important and they're calling him Sensei, but then it turns out like, he's not a teacher. He's not. You know, it turns out he's like, yeah, he's some old politician or something like that. So it can come in a variety of ways. But yeah, it just so happens that, yeah, being a writer or an artist, you know, someone telling a story in this sense, they do fall under that, that umbrella. So that's why we call them.
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Greg
Sensei. Next, the question mean in English or in Japanese? Like, why do.
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Steven
English. I. I don't. I honestly, I don't know. I. I just figured let's, let's give them a little explanation, a little, little.
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Greg
Primer. I have a strong opinion on that. If it's an English speaker calling them sensei repeatedly and not tongue in cheek, it's probably a misunderstanding of either A misunderstanding and it in some cases could be ass kissing. But I've seen, mostly it's misunderstanding. And the worst I've seen is people who constantly call him with the live action stuff call him Sensei Oda, which is just like, oh, fan culture 101. Didn't even read the, read the.
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Steven
Intro. Yeah, yeah. I think most of the time that I, in an English context that I would use, it would be like, particularly if you're talking in English with like other Japanese people or you know, something where it's like, okay, they, they would understand. They. Then they would refer to him this way in Japanese in the same context. You know, then, then I'll use Sensei. Like when we would talk with Sasaki san, you know, from, from Shueisha. Yeah. You know, when we'd have him on, you refer to him as Sensei just because it's, you know, again, it's, it's polite. It may be ass kissing, but like, that's, that's how it works in Japanese. That's, that's what the politeness levels are for. It's for ass kissing. So that, that's about the only, the only time that I actually call them sensei in.
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Greg
English. It really is about your audience. And honestly, you know, now I think about. This is actually a really good question because it is something that I have had to think about a lot over the years in writing for both English and Japanese audiences in officially released, major officially released pieces, like things that are made to be press releases or will be on television or guaranteed to have a widespread when they are released. I was required to call him Oda Sensei in Japanese. When I was doing smaller publications or side projects, I could do Odachi, which is the quote, unquote, what he prefers. There is a. We've talked about this on the podcast before about Honne and Tatemae, what you should say and what you end up saying. Basically what you really mean and what you say, right? And that's all part of it is like the reality of the situation is, yes, you can call him Otachi in English, you can call him just Oda and I do. However, given the place in the presentation and to whom you are addressing, it is required that you call them a name that is publicly, quote, unquote, publicly acceptable. And so I've had to wrestle with that a lot in the past. Recently, my columns for the online site have thankfully only had to be accomplished in English. I only hand them in in English now, which is wonderful. It's literally half the work and I just dropped it all because it's English. And for English people reading, I will call him. Sometimes I'll call him Odachi. Sometimes I'll call him Oda. I don't even worry about the Sensei anymore for that because it's English and it's for an English.
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Steven
Audience.
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Greg
Right? And I'm writing for English readers. But as Stephen mentioned astutely, if I'm speaking English to like Sasaki san, or a fluent English, a fluent Japanese, a fluent Japanese speaker of English, I will use Oda.
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Steven
Sensei.
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Greg
Right? So it's actually, that's a very good question. Complex answer. I'm sorry for the both of us going on about that, but.
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Steven
Yeah. All right. Our next one comes from Reaver Gotpatch, who says SGS Sensei sama, Senpai Nii chan, please weigh in on an important discussion. Does Brooke have to eat? We know he can eat and get hungry, and we know he can absorb nutrients from milk and poop. I would assume they mean he can poop, not that he absorbs nutrients from poop, but can he die from starvation? Was he running on the water to fish for 45 years in the Florian Triangle? Where did he get all his tea and the fresh water for the tea? And most importantly, where does Moria get his milk? Are there Zombie cows. Are the zombie mice milking Teleran? Oh, that's lovely. What a great image. That's.
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Greg
Fun. Are they milking the mice? What does that.
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Steven
Come. Yeah, that's. That was Mulk, I believe. Or was it.
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Greg
Yeah. Is.
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Steven
That. Or was that a different Simpsons joke? But yeah, that was. They were. They were milking the mice to make for the M.O. the mobsters were doing it.
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Greg
To. Okay, yeah, that sounds like a Conan joke. I don't know if it's from that.
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Steven
Age. Probably. Yeah. Boy, can he die from.
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Greg
Starbase. I'm sorry, I forgot what the question.
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Steven
Was. Yeah, it was all about Brooks physiology here.
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Greg
Brooke. Eating. Right. Yeah. Okay, thank you very much. So here's my guess. Is this okay? Can I go on.
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Steven
This? Sure, go.
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Greg
Ahead. My guess is that Brook can just get hungry for.
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Steven
Eternity.
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Greg
Yeah. I don't think he can die, but he has magic organs. Right. He has organs that can produce stuff. But if he has magic organs, then they need food. I know because I'm going to say if they're magic, then they don't need real food. They can just operate because they're.
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Steven
Magic. Yeah, I would.
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Greg
Imagine. Unless you find out that he's actually the invisible. He's the. The all flesh matter is invisible fruit that he actually ate that also revives.
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Steven
You.
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Greg
Yeah. Which is something that I'm sure fucking do. So yeah. With all the fruit.
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Steven
Revelations. So yeah, I think, I think that he doesn't need food, but that he gets like a spiritual hunger basically. Like he. He needs for like mental nourishment. That's my version of.
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Greg
It. People talk about the Phantom Pain, but this is the Phantom.
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Steven
Hunger. Next we have a comment from M. Stranger says. Hey sgs, what do you think is Imu's power? Is Blackbeard or Emu the final antagonist in the epilogue of the manga? And will there be a gear 6? Thanks for all you both do. I think I feel like we have answered all of these individually before at some point or another, but who knows, Maybe we've. Maybe we've changed our opinions a bit. What do you think is Emu's power? I mean, we've seen a little bit more of it now, especially with the, you know, references to the deep sea. That was. That was kind of an interesting. A bit of flavor text with the. The Covenant. It certainly sounds more demonic.
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Greg
Right. The abyss is what's really driving me nuts because is the abyss related to IMS power or is the abyss just some inherent kind of magic in the world, which would be quite rare for the.
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Steven
Series.
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Greg
Yeah, because I mean, inherent magic exists. Seems like it's going to be a thing in the series, right? Because Oda said like, nothing outside the devil fruits will be magic. So the devil Fruits are tapping into whatever this magic source is, right? They're pulling from it. There has to be a root somewhere, right? There has to be a, an identity of the smoke monster, so to speak. And it only goes so far. But what is that root capable of? The, the control aspect, the eternal life aspect, the abyss aspect, all don't seem to be one part of the same thing. If it's anything, it seems to be like the actual definition of a multiple fruit user. And what's really fucking weird is the eternal life thing. That's really fucking strange because in this world there should only be one op. Op fruit. There really should only be one OPOP fruit. And it would seem that we have that. So like the ability to just dole fucking eternal life out seems ridiculous even in the context of this world. So all I can say at this point is that it doesn't seem like IMU has just one power. It doesn't seem like it's a single.
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Steven
Power. Yeah, I, I like that. I, I would like for that to be the case that it, that it's like, oh, Emu is the first person that we know of or the only person who has, you know, I mean, after Blackbeard, now that has multiple fruit powers. Because I get the impression now that now that we've seen enough here that it's going to be one of those things where it is one fruit, but it's going to be like, like, like the hobby Hobby Fruit sugars fruit, where you're going to look at it and you're gonna be like, I would never have expected this fruit or this concept to have all of these different powers. And it kind of feels like you maybe just threw them in there as a matter of convenience to help you tell the story you wanted to tell as opposed to like kind of working from the, the, you know, a more, I guess, you know, pure understanding of a certain, you know, power concept. Like, you know, he's, I'm just saying because of his track record, he's done this sort of thing before where you're like, okay, you know, and I, I, I don't mean to like pick on the, the hobby Hobby fruit specifically, but something that turns everybody into a toy but also causes everyone else to forget about them and was didn't it also freezes her life span so that she remains a child like, that's a lot of different things that I think is kind of a stretch to make them all, you know, fit into one cohesive whole. So I wouldn't be shocked if it turns out that it is kind of a similar thing where. Okay, I get how you did this, Oda. But also, it feels like a stretch. I'm bracing myself for that. So, you know, we'll.
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Greg
See. You know what? Okay, how about this? What if Emu is trapped in Lilly's eternal body? And what the fruit does is it is as a connection fruit. It makes connections. And because Imu is eternal, it can connect to people through the abyss. And the abyss is kind of a bullshit aspect to it, but let's just say that the abyss connects, all right? You need two of them to connect, right? Because he can connect through that, he can connect to other. And because he puts his mark, which means he puts part of himself on another person, the pentagram. The abyss is a conduit where he can directly bring himself to that per. He can drag himself to them or transport someone who has a part of him through it. Because it because of that connection. So it's basically like he's just dragging himself around the.
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Steven
World.
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Greg
Yeah. And then he is putting himself into other people as well. Right. So what if it's a connection.
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Steven
Fruit? I would buy that.
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Greg
Yeah. And that would help explain if he is indeed inside Lily's eternal body. It would just mean that he's sharing part of his granted ability with the other people. How about that? For a single fruit, I think it fucking.
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Steven
Works. That might work.
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Greg
Yeah. And it makes sense too. For Hitotsunagi. No. Dai.
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Steven
Hiho. Right? Right. It's the evil version of what Luffy will.
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Greg
Do. Huh? What if the one piece is that fruit that's tinfoil. I'm just blurting that out. But what if that is the one piece is to connect all the people of the world, Right? So what if that's the fruit that actually literally can connect everybody in the.
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Steven
World? Yeah. Interesting.
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Greg
Stuff. Oh, but then the Domi reversi stuff is fucking weird. Maybe the Domi reversi stuff is connected to whatever the Satan power is. Whatever the quote unquote magic is. What if that's actually a magic thing? Domi reversi. Domi reversi. Because if he's connected, if he is the Satan or if he has the power. Oh, then once again, is he not? Is that being living inside of Lily's shell husk? Is he not? Grant if it is a Satan, is he just Giving part of himself to them. Ah, that's fucking it. He's granting them his satanic power. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess at this point it's really the question of was IM ever a person? Were they friends with. With Joy Boy or were they always this, this eternal being of. Of.
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Steven
Darkness? I. I feel like the, the seeming kind of, I guess not infatuation, but the kind of obsession that we've seen in the, you know, the, the stabbing, the posters and stuff like that that to me says like, oh, this was a person. Like this is a. This is like a long standing, you know, obsession that they had as a person or, you know, something like.
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Greg
That. I would really like for them to have been.
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Steven
Buds. Yeah.
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Greg
Interesting. That would be.
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Steven
Poignant. But yes. And then of course, I think that's.
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Greg
It. It's a connection fruit. All.
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Steven
Right. Is Blackbeard or Emu, the final antagonist in the epilogue of the manga? I don't.
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Greg
Know. I don't think we have another hour.
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Steven
So. Yes. For you to explain the different.
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Greg
Possibilities. God, this is funny. I just went into this at Arlong Park. Blackbeard can't be evil.
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Steven
Evil.
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Greg
Right. He can be bad. He can do bad things. It does not seem to me at this point outside. If he intends to misuse im's power, if he does get it, then he will be an evil character. I do not think that he intends to misuse it. He may misuse it. He may end up doing very evil, horrible things. But I don't think he intends to misuse it. I think he wants to get it for world, not worldly. Missing the word for philanthropic is. No, that's too follery. He wants to get it for reasons to save the world. He wants to get it for good reasons. But that may not happen. That may not be able to transpire. He may get dummy reverse eat. He may do terrible things, but I don't think he will ever be the evil end villain that people want him to be as a person. He may end up in that role. If he inherits the power. If he gets dummy reversed and he succumbs to it, then he may do those things, but I don't think that he'll be that way. So ultimately what we're looking at is the final villain seems to be setting up to be im. And through IM or because of im, other characters may do terrible things. And If Blackbeard receives IM's powers, effectively killing IM or being controlled by him, in that case, it would be one and the same. But I think we are getting closer and closer to the fact that Blackbeard and Luffy kind of will want to accomplish at least the same thing, even if it's for very different reasons. Blackbeard knows why he wants to accomplish it. Luffy just wants to, you know, have fun with everyone. And doing that means getting rid of him.
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Steven
So. Yes.
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Greg
Yeah. They may be one in the same.
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Steven
Right? Will there be a Gear six? I know we have. We've talked about this one too. I think. I think probably yes. I don't know if he would call it Gear six. He probably would, but I do think it's probably like a. This is the last thing that will ever. Like Luffy will ever do in a fight. It's like this is the. This is the ultimate. You know, the ultimate transformation or whatever that. That wins the final battle. That's. That's my. My assumption, you.
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Greg
Know? You know, I'm pretty sure he's gonna do. Is. He's gonna do something ridiculous and like, it's just gonna be like, completely hopeless. He's gonna do a. A Gear sixth and then do something amazing and then lose and then it's gonna come back and just. He's. He's gonna pull out gear 100 or something that isn't that like the fucking odious thing to do is just be like, ah, well, I showed you six. Here's a fucking.
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Steven
Hundred.
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Greg
Yeah. It's such a, like Shadows Asgard, like, you know, thing you go to. A hundred was a lot. I'm gonna take a thousand, right?
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Steven
Yeah, why.
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Greg
Not? Somebody please remember that so when it happens, I can know that I said it. Because I guarantee you I'm gonna forget I said.
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Steven
That. Oh, yeah. Our next question from jp, who says, Ahoy SGS with God Valley rapping.
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Greg
Tofu Gear Topugir Topu as a Totsuzen Kaze.
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Steven
Topugiya.
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Greg
Wow. With his father. Because Dragon with the wind and.
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Steven
Shit. With the top with the.
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Greg
Wind.
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Steven
Yeah. Okay. All right. JP says Ahoya sgs with God Valley wrapping up, it seems like we'll be returning to the thread of what really went. This is from November 15th. So, yeah, after the God Valley chapters, it seems like we'll be returning to the thread of what really went down between Harald and Loki. I've been wondering about the unrevealed treasure of Elbaf, the forbidden devil fruit, one of the two needed for Rox's master plan, of which he said its power will only be truly unlocked if Harald eats it. Any guesses as to what it could be And Loki's got to be its current user, right? It seems like he's been telling this entire flashback just to convince his half brother to unshackle him so he can use it. And what was the other fruit Rox was after? Probably the dark, dark Fruit, Right? Yeah. I mean, it's probably. Yeah. I mean, timeline.
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Greg
Wise. I'm so sorry. I have not been thinking about that aspect of the series at.
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Steven
All. Right. Yeah, I kind of forgot about.
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Greg
It. I have no really concrete thoughts on it, and I'd rather not ramble too much. But I agree with Steven that probably dark, Dark, Dark fruit is probably one of them. I was wondering, what if it's. What if he wants like the dark, dark fruit and Luffy's fruit? Like, what if having Luffy's fruit would be part of the plan? That would be kind of the idea of the two working together.
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Steven
Right, right. And as far as like what Loki does now, the problem is like the. The natural assumption or the easy guess I get, I suppose would be like, well, if he's got the Hammer, it's like, you know, it's Thor powers, right? It's lightning. Well, we know it's not going to be lightning. Unless. Unless again, it's kind of a bullshit like, here's how I can get lightning without using the lightning powers. You know, kind of a. Steven, haven't you.
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Greg
Heard? Magma burns through.
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Steven
Fire. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. It's going to be the. The super Lightning Fruit or whatever. I was like, what a.
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Greg
Lightning? What if it's a static? What if it's a.
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Steven
Static?
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Greg
Yeah, yeah, that would be kind of silly. I don't. I don't think he would do. It would be super funny, but I don't think he's willing to do that. Something that goofy with Loki.
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Steven
Right? Yeah, I wouldn't be very happy with that as a reader, but yeah, it's. It's. Sure, you know, you. It's hard for me to guess anything other than along those lines. So that's. That's something I'm looking forward to finding out. All right, our next question here from snp. Who says, Ahoy, Steven, Greg and Simba. This is not a question, but rather a collection of thoughts about various topics you three have discussed in the past. First, the whole discussion about how TEACH looks exactly like rocks aside, I think the reason the world government let Blackbeard become a warlord is because they want to keep him close at first while they're dealing with Whitebeard. Like, Garp said that the world government don't want to deal with two legends at once when he was talking about Rayleigh. The same could apply here. They want to keep him close and deal with him later. But they didn't expect Blackbeard would betray them so fast in literally the same saga. Should I continue? Or do you want to? Do you have.
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Greg
Any? Thank you. I'll give a little. If I completely disagreed with that, then I'd be off point for allowing them to forgive Luffy. Traveling around with the fucking instrument of their destruction for so long. But I. In the same vein, I would not accept that they would take Luffy. Like. Let's say they had Luffy in Marijua back in like East Blue for. For like no reason. Let's just say that. That Luffy showed up in Marty Geois and they were like, that's a guy. And he has exactly the power we want. And he is a massive threat to us. If he was on their doorstep, I'm pretty sure they'd murder him on the spot. The same for Teach. I can't really accept that as anything other than an oversight by Oda. I don't know if you want to call it a plot hole because I'm sure he can try to explain his way out of it. But I believe it's an oversight at the least. I don't disagree with your thought process, but in. In practice, I don't think it would work out.
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Steven
Logically. Okay. And then the other comment here. Second. It's about one of the questions a few months ago about why. Why the five elders didn't order CP0 to kill Luffy before. Do they not know about the Nika stuff? So he said. He continues. I'm pretty sure they know about Nika. They just didn't know for sure that the gum. That the gum. Gum fruit is the Nika fruit. To quote one of them, it was a legend even for us. They said it was the previous world government that changed the name. Probably happened at the end of the Void Century. And these five Elders are the newest ones. It's not that they didn't want to kill Luffy, but it looks to me more like they didn't. They didn't 100% know for sure. They were still trying to catch him. But Luffy keeps getting away. Either by escape or getting saved by others. Or sometimes he is completely off the map. Yeah. I mean Oda kind of. Wow. Yeah. Oda gave himself a lot of wheel room with the like. Oh, it was a. It was a legend even for us. So you know that that can help explain a lot of inaction if you just say oh well, they didn't know for.
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Greg
Sure. But something piqued my interest there. And that was the mentioning of it was the. The previous world government changed the name or changed after the world government. I would like to reread that because I don't remember.
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Steven
That. Yeah, I don't recall it in those terms.
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Greg
Either. I would like to reread that because if that was said, that's an interesting piece of information that I completely blew over. So I am interested in seeing that. As for why they didn't know, like even it was a legend for us. That sounds like some heavy handed explaining. I don't want to say Retcon, but maybe covering.
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Steven
Tracks. Yeah, yeah, it can serve that purpose for.
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Greg
Sure. Yeah. But I don't want to assume that I am absolutely right here. So I would be very interested in rereading that part. If anybody knows where that was, give me a heads.
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Steven
Up. I'm guessing that that's probably in Onigashima, like right after the transformation. Right? Because wasn't that when they. They started waxing poetic about the, you know, the old name of the fruit or whatever? Because it was around the. The Nika name reveal and all that stuff. So that's where I would.
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Greg
Look. Which is honestly, if. If that's the case, this is another thing where it's like, then IMU just looks stupid. IMU's not gonna fucking tell them like, hey, by the way, there's this one fruit that can super fuck me over. If you see it, be sure to kill the person and transfer it to a fruit that I can keep here safely. Okay, thanks. All of this because IMU needs to be the apex of the villain. He needs to be the perfect villain for the entire story. So like for him to be like, oh, by the way, it's like. It's like fucking Achilles, like leaving his heel open in battle and being like, don't. Please don't hit me here. Yeah, hit me anywhere. Just don't hit me here. Right here. Where? Right here. Right in.
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Steven
This. Yeah, it is. It is always unfortunate. I mean I understand why it happens, but like, especially for, for a story as long as, as this one, it does often feel like the. You know, when you finally get to the Big Bad and you know, you've. You've seen so many enemies along the way and this is going to be the. The worst of them yet. And then sometimes it just kind of feels like the author was like, well, I don't really know how to solve this. So I'm just going to make. I'm just going to give them the curse of, like, blind arrogance and just assume that there's no way the hero is possibly going to overcome whatever. And then of course they do. And you know, and then that's. That's the end of the story. That's how. That's how they win is that the bad guy was too arrogant. And, you know, sometimes you want something a little more substantial than that.
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Greg
And I expect you to die, Mr. Monkey. Yeah, that's the episode.
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Steven
Title. Like, I'll write it.
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Greg
Down. I feel like Zach would get a kick out of that one. I feel like Zach would be. Would read that and be like, oh, I'm gonna listen to this.
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Steven
One. Yeah. All right. Onto another question from this strange name. And my name is Alex. Oh, writes in again with back again in the throes of finishing the recent volume 113 SBS episode, the Vegapunk. Let's see the Vegapunk York question. Did you peruse.
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Greg
The. This is gonna be super interesting. I haven't read an SBS in like 10.
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Steven
Volumes. Oh, okay, okay.
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Greg
Okay. Well, here I'll. Super.
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Steven
Interesting. I'll read what Alex is to say. So the Vegapunk slash York question pertaining to Vegapunk's greed had thinking, how evil is Vegapunk? Lilith has not really shown herself to be anything other than a huge help to the Straw Hats, Bonnie and Kuma and sympathetic to their plight. What are the odds that she's going to do a heel turn while everyone is licking their wounds from this upcoming battle against the God Knights? Maybe she has some evil motive for building a lab there or cloning Stella. So the, yeah, the, the Vegapunk York question was just kind of, you know, getting Oda's comment on what it means that, you know, when he split himself into these different satellites that, you know, one of them was Greed who wanted to be a celestial dragon. And does that mean that, you know, Vegapunk wants to be a celestial dragon? And Oda kind of answered by, by kind of, you know, speaking on the fact that everyone has these desires, everyone has a sense of greed. It is kind of an inextricable part of everyone's nature. And it's just, this is the, the hazard, this is the moral hazard of, you know, isolating it and making it its own individual, you know, agent that can act on itself without any, you know, without any controls over it. This is the kind of thing that anyone would be capable of doing. And, and that was about York. But I, I think Alex has a very good point here, because I don't really have a good answer for why Lilith is kind of not evil at all as far as she's shown in the story. Do you have any thoughts on this? Yeah, you.
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Greg
Might. I think this would be the ode explanation if he were pressed for it. And that is everybody has them. But to what degree? And now you can make a counterargument to this. And I would. I would somewhat. I may somewhat agree with it because talk about Garp turning a blind eye, which I don't think that he necessarily did. Vegapunk. Turned a fucking blind eye. Yeah, Vegapunk, definitely. Like. Like he, he, like he had knowledge. He knew stuff that was going on in the world, and still he was like, I'm gonna side with these guys because they're funding my.
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Steven
Research.
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Greg
Right. But I don't think he fully realized the. The extent of what they were doing or how deep corruption actually went before he got too. Too deep in. Which is not to excuse anything. I mean, dude paid for it with his life. But it may help explain it. But I don't think he's necessarily evil. Even so I think what led all of that was his thirst for knowledge. And if we want to make the argument, okay, to what degree are the different parts of him to the extremes for each aspect, then maybe they are actually based on to what degree they were within him. In which case he is probably not very evil. Capable of evil, yes. But he is probably not an inherently evil person. Very few of Oda's characters actually are 100% irredeemably evil. Vegapunk. If we agree that, then that would also explain why York goes to such an extreme. Because he was so thirsty for.
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Steven
Knowledge.
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Greg
Right. That greed inside of him led him to that. And as its own individual, it worked to an end to attain the ultimate human.
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Steven
Greed. Mm. It would be an interesting way too, to rationalize. Like, that's why she's way bigger than all. Aside from. What's his name?
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Greg
Pythagoras.
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Steven
Yeah.
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Greg
Right. So the physical difference as well. That's. That's. Yeah. Okay. That's really fucking cool, dude. I think you. You.
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Steven
Got. No, no, Lilith is not super tiny, but, you know, whatever. He's. It's just character design. But, but yeah, I think that that's a. That's a pretty good rationalization as far as, as like something that ODA would say. It would be nice if, like, like even just for jokes, like, if she. If she did have more of like a ooh, hehehe, I'm so evil sort of a routine, because she doesn't even really seem to have much of that. Maybe one or two that I'm just not remembering. But, you know, we're gonna get.
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Greg
It. We're gonna get.
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Steven
It. You think.
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Greg
So? Oh, yeah. It's gonna happen. I mean, you can just see the Oda think, you know, conceiving the thing, you know, like, you see him coming up with the. The screen and, like, licking the lips kind of thing, doing a stussy almost kind of thing.
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Steven
Or. Or like, you know, okay, she disappears. She's off building the. The lab. And then, you know, when. When. When the war is on the doorstep and everybody is like, oh, my God, what's going on? And then Lilith shows up and it's like, what have you been building? Oh, it's just all weapons. I've just got all weapons in here. And then, you know, it's like, oh, awesome, now we have weapons. Or, you know, something like that. He could. He could kind of pull it off that way. Make it easier to be.
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Greg
Dramatic. I mean, very dramatic. If it comes to a situation where, like, nobody can make a hard decision and Lilith is in the room. Yeah. Lilith may make that decision for.
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Steven
Everybody. Mm. Yeah. All right, just a couple more here. Reaver got patch again. Says, hey, slayers giving St. Anthony's fire. How's it going? So there's the SGS. So instead of making up a poison, ODA had EDA die of ergot poisoning. That was the little vial that the guy had, aka St. Anthony's Fire, which is a real thing, which can result in gangrene, convulsions, and hallucinations. It's been theorized as an explanation for things like the dancing plagues or witch trials. To quote directly from Wikipedia. Oh, boy. According to Snorri Sturluson in his Heimskringla, King Magnus II of Norway, son of King Harald Sigurtharson, who was the half brother of Saint King Olaf Haraldsson, died from ergotism shortly after the Battle of Hastings. So that's weird, right? Not sure what any of it means. Yeah, I didn't. I mean, I remember looking up.
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Greg
The kanji, by the way, good.
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Steven
Job. Oh, for the. For the. Yeah, for the names. Yeah. I. You know, I only translated almost 30 volumes of Vinland saga. I hope I picked up a few. Yeah, I remember the. The kanji for that. That I translated as. As urgot was. I. I don't even know if it was the Japanese. It might have been like the Chinese version or something like that. I remember it wasn't like, it wasn't a super easy, direct one to one thing, but I did, I did find that and then was like, okay, cool, this, this works. It's. It's easier to use a real name than, like, to have to make up a creative one that's based off of kanji. That can get very tricky. So I did not look up all of this information. So this is new to me, this St. Anthony's fire stuff, which is, which is kind of cool. So, yeah, I don't know, maybe, maybe it was, you know, looking through textbook, like, sources on, you know, ancient Viking stories and legends and things like that. And maybe he, he came across this and, and filed it away as a, as, you know, a concept that he could use and implemented it here as the death of Ida. So that would be an interesting way to get to it. But thank you for that very difficult quote from Wikipedia putting me on the spot here.
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Greg
Honestly. I think Rob Lowe was fantastic in it and Demi Moore and Judd Nelson as well had great turns in it.
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Steven
But. Yeah, which movie? What movie are you talking about.
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Greg
Here? St. Elmo's.
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Steven
Fire. Oh, okay. No wonder I missed that. I had not seen that. King Doji says, hey, hello, listeners.
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Greg
Who are big buffs on 1985.
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Steven
Movies. Yeah, it doesn't sound like the Breakfast Club, but King Doji, hello, very special guests. We've probably got only one or two chapters left for this flashback. Are we going to come out of it? This was from December 10th, so very recently. Are we going to come out of it not seeing Loki's interaction with Lola? Inconceivable. Inconceivable. Unacceptable. By the way, Greg. Oh, boy. Here you go. By the way, Greg, your estimation for the length of Elbaf in the end of One Piece are still holding true. We're currently 42 chapters into the Ark, and I'd say, conservatively, 20 chapters into the action slash drama conflict section. And I could definitely see the fight continuing for a while on Elbaf in the present day. If we sail off by 1182, Elbaf hits the very low end of your estimate. Do you think everything wraps up in that time? So there you go. Somebody else is keeping.
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Greg
Score. Holy shit. That's awesome. You have no idea. I, I, before we started recording, I did a very quick tally and very unscientific. I just totaled the high numbers for each of them and I was just like, before we started, I was like, holy shit. Stephen. I was like, I'm only a few chapters off so far. It was like my High end was 1173 and we are at 1168 for this point in the story. And what did I count it as? I think I counted this as being in the. Oh, my gosh. The connection to. To the main connection of the Starhawks to the main conflict. And the reason I put it in there tentatively, I didn't count us in the action. I thought we were in the action before, but we were not because we got this whole flashback and we're going into the action now, but I think it's going to hit the middle mark of it, like the medium, like the mid ground. I highballed and low balled. I think it's going to be right in the dead center. So what it comes down to is how long does the action part of the story last for anybody who doesn't know what we're talking about, I wrote a big thing about how long I think one piece will last before it ends. And I did a breakdown, like, before it was even published. I did a breakdown of how I think Elbaf will go in terms of parts of its arc. And as of right now, it seems to be on point almost within 10 chapters. So thank you for keeping track of that. That's amazing. I wasn't even going to bring it up, but.
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Steven
Wow. Yeah. As soon as I saw that he was. I was like, oh, my God, this is exactly what you're talking about. Right before we.
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Greg
Started.
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Steven
Wow. Okay, we have. We have one more question. Actually, I'm glad because we did not touch on this, so I'm glad we can. We can go into this fresh here. Last one from S P again. Hoi, Simba, Greg and Steven. I saw someone post in the Manga Channel that seems like the original Japanese for the. This is for the. What I called the depth, the depths and abyssal covenant. Part of the, you know, the contract they're signing with Emu is the. In Japanese is the deep sea and deep, deep sea contract. Made me wonder if that is an actual sea, like beneath the normal blue sea, since, you know, there's the White Sea and the white White Sea high up in the sky. And like Wispy pointed out, when they go down to Fishman island, there was a talk about surface currents and deep currents that lead to the deep sea. That is chapter 605, where it is pitch black. Is it the same thing? As we all know, the sea level rose 200 meters after the void century. So what if the Deep sea and the deep, deep sea is reference to the old sea before the.
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Greg
Flood. Yes, I, I like all of.
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Steven
That. The, the only thing I would say is the, is that I, I think like the 200 meters thing, that's not very deep like that. I'm not sure. Yeah, because.
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Greg
What. It's a thousand meters down, a thousand meters up, right? Is as far as we've.
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Steven
Been. I thought it was 10km. I may be.
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Greg
Misremembering. Excuse me. Thousand meters. Jesus Christ. Yes. 10,000 meters up, 10,000 meters down. It's, it's 10 kilometers either way.
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Steven
Right? Yeah, it was 10 kilometers down to Fishman island from what I recall. Yeah. So just for Greg's knowledge. Yeah. Was it the Japanese. The kanji for the contracts were shallow sea contract, deep sea contract, and then deep, deep sea contract. And I chose to do more like a more descriptive translations of that. So, so mine was the. There was the shallows covenant, the depths covenant, and then the abyssal covenant for the very bottom one. But this is a good point and I, I'm trying to remember. I think, I think I may have like for like a split second when I saw the deep, the deep, deep sea part in, in Japanese, I was reminded of the white, white sea, but I didn't really think of it as like, oh, this is like, it's like the perfect counterpoint. You know, it's like a, it's like a mirror. They're, they're, they're meant to be aligned. So, you know that, that part didn't really factor into. Right, exactly. Yeah. Thank you, George. That part didn't factor into the, the creative decision. So, you know, it's possible that we might get more lore like this. And you know, the fact that the, the Davey clan and Davy Jones is, is mentioned, obviously that's at the bottom of the sea. There certainly could be something to that with, with IMU's powers, you know, referencing deep seas and such. So it's possible that, that ODA was trying to, to, to, to kind of reference or to, you know, to make these things kind of aligned in some way. I don't know for sure, but it is, it's, it's pretty interesting. Although I, like I said, I am a little skeptical on the, the 200 meters part, but it definitely could turn out to be the case that, yeah, maybe there's maybe something about Emu's power or the, you know, the source of the Devil Fruits or something like that is like super, super, super deep down somewhere even deeper than Fishman Island. Or.
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Greg
Something. Actually, if you look into several ancient European texts that are related to this very topic, you'll find one of them. Read something similar to this. It says, there's a hole in the bottom of the sea. There's a hole in the bottom of the sea. There's a hole. There's a hole. There's a hole in the bottom of the sea. So make of that what you will. But I think that Oda's entire concept for one piece came from Kidz.
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Steven
Bop. So, my God, I was like, where are you going with.
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Greg
This? Like, and.
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Steven
Subscribe. I don't know. Is there anything else, Any. Any other thoughts you have on.
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Greg
This? The. The only thing that it caught my mind when I was reading was, okay, it. We're getting closer and closer to where Davy Jones probably is. So whatever happened there was probably pretty.
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Steven
Important. Mm.
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Greg
Yeah. That. That's honestly the only thing I cared to give it thought. And I don't mean to dismiss anyone who's interested in this. I'm not doing that. It's just there's so much going on in my mind in so many different directions. And ODA's, you know, with his naming. All it. All it said to me was, this is closer to Davy Jones, so it's probably important. And let's put a pin.
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Steven
In. Yep. Yep. I think something to look to. To look forward to for.
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Greg
Sure.
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Steven
Yep. And that is. That's going to do it for the sgs. Thank you again to everybody for writing your. Your comments on Patreon. You will also. You know, I. I didn't even check. Cause I was like, all right, I only have so much time today. But if you. If you did have any questions and you're not on Patreon, you can also use either Twitter or bluesky with the hashtag sgssensei, all one word. And most other times, I will check that as well and add those questions to. To the list. But just kind of wanted to. To keep us focused here so that we can continue on our way for the rest of the day. So I think that is gonna do it. Why don't we round off this.
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Greg
Show? Okay. Kraft Mac and Cheese is the best thing ever. It's even better than pop music. You look just as natural enjoying us at age 13 as you do 55. Kraft Mac and Cheese. Best thing.
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Steven
Spotify. Well, it's been another wonderful and enlightening episode of the SGS and as always, would not be possible without you, Greg. Thanks for being.
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Greg
On. It will not be possible without you and Simba. Otherwise, there is no sgs. So we're a.
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Steven
Team. We're not. Oh, yeah. Whatever other word you want to use. Yeah. Do you have any. You know, you mentioned earlier in the show that, you know, you're. You're writing your columns exclusively in English now. Do you have any recent ones or any upcoming ones for people to look forward.
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Greg
To? What is my upcoming one? I submitted it and they were like, cut this out. And I was like, okay, nice. It was. Oh, God, it's about Gilbaster. All about.
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Steven
Gil. Oh, that's.
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Greg
Right. Yeah.
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Steven
And which story was that again? In one. Okay. Yes. The titular.
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Greg
Wanted.
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Steven
Yes. Which you can go and buy. It is out in English.
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Greg
Now.
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Steven
Yay. Is that gift? Yes.
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Greg
Yeah. Nice.
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Steven
Nice. Did that. Did that whole volume a little while back. That was. That was quite.
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Greg
Interesting.
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Steven
Yeah. But.
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Greg
Yeah. What are they.
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Steven
Working? Where's.
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Greg
Your. Oh, God. What was it? Oh, mentioning that it was canon. That was interesting. They didn't want me to mention that it was canon. And they were also like, oh, please don't make any definitive statements that he is a Holo. Holo Fruit user. And I was like, okay, all right.
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Steven
Guys.
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Greg
Okay. Yeah. And you can find that on One Piece. Calm. I don't know when that's coming out. She's coming out sometime this month, I hope. Maybe. And you can also find me on Twitter on.
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Steven
Ojimusha108. And you can find me over on blue sky at StevenPaul, BSky Social. And check out the other stuff that I've worked. Oh, yeah. Are you at liberty to say your project that. Oh, my God, you've been back.
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Greg
On? Yeah. And I think I mentioned it.
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Steven
Before, but that's been public.
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Greg
Yeah. Yeah. I don't think I can mention which one, but I'm just about to wrap up my next one that I've been working on, and it's been a monster. So. Yeah. And there's a very nice young lady who assists. She's kind of like a Dai Guru. The adventure of Dai Guru. And she. She has been helping me a lot with, like, Lore and like fact checking me and making sure I don't make any statements that are or miss any statements that are foreshadowing or screw anything up for the future which you do not have the luxury of. I feel so bad. But she actually came to Japan. I was able to meet her. So that was fun. Got to discuss it, you know. You know usually get to meet these people but right did make a connection. So the hope and the dream is still alive that someday I will meet you Steven, and get to bask in your translation.
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Steven
Presence. Yeah, yeah. We'll figure it out one way or another. And speaking of translation. Yes, of course, as always, you know, one piece Akanebanashi. I'm working on a newer series called Kurumizawa's Folly. That's a jump plus series that has been going on for a few months now. That's been kind of fun. And other than that, yeah, that's. That's about it for the Shueisha stuff I wrapped up. Shohai Shoten is done now. I think I've. I think I've finished the last volume's worth of bonus materials, so I'm completely finished with that. And I also did just finished the last chapter of the Trillion Game manga which I was working on for a little bit there. So you. You will be able to see that soon, I think. I don't. I'm not sure if it's out yet. But yeah, I got through that entire series as well. So lots of stuff new and old to check out if you are interested in other things of my work. But us aside, you can still check out the site One Piece podcast.com also on social media, mostly active on Blue sky. Although we do pop back in to Twitter or X to retweet stuff every now and then whenever there's important news or whatnot. Follow us on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, all those places where you get your podcasts. I'm sure you probably know that already. But you know, just in case we're we're out there, you can find us and I think that that will do it. I'm not sure when the next time. You know, we're heading into the holidays, so that usually means there's a lot of jump breaks in addition to the usual OTA schedule. So you know, we'll see if we are called upon to do another SGS in the near future. I would not be surprised. So you know, keep an eye out. I'll try to. I'll try to be a little more proactive about letting people know that we're recording so that you can submit more questions since we might not have a lot of hunger to go over. We'll see. But until then, my name is.
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Greg
Steven. And I'm.
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Steven
Greg. And Simba is down here. He's.
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Greg
Here. Hey.
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Steven
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