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Episode: Was 2025 the End of ‘Teflon Trump’?
Date: December 20, 2025
Panelists: Michelle Cottle (host), David French, Jamelle Bouie

Episode Overview

This episode, the last roundtable of 2025, features Michelle Cottle, David French, and Jamelle Bouie reflecting on what may be the waning days of “Teflon Trump.” They discuss Trump’s latest speech on the economy, the overall political and social climate of 2025, underreported stories, and what gives them hope for the future. The conversation is rich with insight, sharp critiques, and the panel’s characteristic blend of seriousness and wit.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Trump “Economic” Speech: A Primal Scream

Timestamps: 01:45 – 08:13

• General Impression:
  Trump’s address is described as less a policy speech and more a harangue or “primal scream” of frustration. The panel notes the overwhelming use of false claims and performative, grievance-laden rhetoric.

  • David French: “It was less an address than a harangue…hard to identify anything that was, like, true. He's throwing out all these statistics…none…are true.” (02:12)
  • Jamelle Bouie: “I would call it banana Republic flavored Soviet propaganda…” (03:30)

• Performance & Audience Response:
  The panel speculates that Trump’s staff simply wants to keep him “busy,” giving him a speech to perform without clear strategic objectives.

  • Michelle Cottle: “I mean, are you just suggesting they're trying to keep grandpa busy?” (06:15)
  • David French: “I think they're trying to keep grandpa busy and this is one way to do it.” (06:18)

• Racism & Scapegoating:
  Trump’s attacks on the Somali American community of Minnesota are called out as crude, dangerous, and “unbecoming of the office of the presidency.” The panel notes his strategy of taking a real issue and weaponizing it into broad-based hate.

  • David French: “It’s really worth emphasizing the kind of just crude and base racism of these attacks…truly unbecoming of the office of the presidency.” (06:18)
  • Jamelle Bouie: “He takes a real thing that actually occurred that is a problem and then turns it into something else entirely…injecting this incredibly toxic hatred into the body politic.” (07:12)

2. Trump’s Economic Record & Governance

Timestamps: 08:13 – 12:34

• Economic Reality vs. Rhetoric:
  The panel breaks down the disconnect between Trump's self-promotion and economic indicators—unemployment is up, wage growth has slowed, and tariffs are hurting.

  • Michelle Cottle: “He hasn't actually made a great case to anybody who hasn't already been drinking the Kool aid that he has rescued the economy.” (08:13)

• Checked-Out Leadership & The “Unitary Deputy”
  Discussion about Trump’s disengagement from governance, resulting in unaccountable aides wielding power without democratic checks.

  • David French: “We don't have so much like a unitary executive as we do have like a unitary deputy White House chief of staff.” (09:39)
  • Michelle Cottle: “Oh my God. The deep state is quite literally running the government.” (09:57)

3. 2025 in Review: A Year of Rule-of-Law Onslaught

Timestamps: 12:34 – 16:58

• Yearly Ratings:
  The panel rates 2025 poorly—a 2 or 3 out of 10, citing political chaos and assaults on democratic norms, but noting it could have been worse.

  • David French: “This year is pretty solidly at 2. Obviously not the worst possible, but…pretty bad, you know, pretty suboptimal.” (12:52)
  • Jamelle Bouie: “I'm gonna go maybe slightly higher…a three. But…the thing that we're going to look back on…is…the Trump onslaught on the rule of law.” (13:06)

• Erosion of Institutions:
  They warn about the future consequences of attacking the civil service and slashing foreign aid (e.g., USAID), which is already costing lives and will have lasting impacts.

  • David French: “The destruction of USAID is, I mean, I think one of the great tragedies of recent memory. Researchers are already expecting…death tolls in the hundreds of thousands…” (14:14)

• Healthcare in Crisis:
  Immediate effects seen in ongoing cuts to Medicaid and Obamacare subsidies, representing a deep misreading of public needs.

  • Michelle Cottle: “The assault on healthcare…is just a devastating, just misreading of the American public and what it needs.” (15:04)

4. Under-the-Radar Stories

Timestamps: 16:58 – 20:42

• Culture of Intimidation:
  Not enough attention has been paid to the climate of fear pervading government—judiciary, Congress, and especially at the local level. Threats and intimidation are now a routine tool to enforce Trump’s will.

  • Jamelle Bouie: “The atmosphere of threat that pervades now the judiciary as well as Congress…all of American politics was distorted by fear in this moment…” (16:58)
  • David French: “The extent to which one of the enforcement mechanisms for Trumpism is just death threats…we're going to look back and identify this as one of the key mechanisms behind Trump's control over the entire Republican Party.” (18:24)

• Private Sector Meddling & AI Regulation:
  Concerns about Trump’s interference in the private sector and the shortsighted squashing of AI regulation at the state level.

  • Michelle Cottle: “I could bring up my kind of personal terror of AI and say that his executive order stomping on states efforts to kind of step back and think about regulation for this strikes me as just shortsighted.” (19:33)

5. Is the “Teflon” Wearing Off?

Timestamps: 20:42 – 24:56

• Political Gravity Returns:
  Despite Trump’s previous seeming immunity to consequences ("Teflon"), political norms and “gravity” are reasserting themselves as his popularity wanes and resistance inside and outside the GOP grows.

  • David French: “The Teflon Trump thing seems to maybe apply during election years or…when he is on the ballot…outside of that, people don't like this stuff.” (20:52)
  • Jamelle Bouie: “The silver lining…is…majority revulsion at what we're seeing…people have seen that this era will, in fact, end.” (21:34)

• Limitations of Executive Orders:
  The reliance on executive orders rather than legislation may actually make most Trump initiatives easy to unwind in the next administration.

  • Jamelle Bouie: “By coming out of the gate with an executive order agenda…they have turned a lot of the actual legal elements of Trumpism into vaporware…” (24:17)

6. Looking Ahead & Personal Resolutions

Timestamps: 25:36 – 28:09

• Each shares optimistic resolutions for the new year:
  • Jamelle Bouie: “Move more than the year before.” (25:56)
  • David French: Aims to continue improving healthy habits, e.g., “a little less sugar.” (26:41)
  • Michelle Cottle: Plans to get more involved with a local charity or nonprofit. (27:32)

Memorable Quotes & Notable Moments

• On Trump’s Address:
  “It was about an 18 minute version of the one to one and a half hour riff that Trump does when he's at a rally.” — Jamelle Bouie (04:23)

• On Rule-of-Law Damage:
  “We're going to pay some real prices and people are already paying the price with their lives for the cuts to USAID, for example. And…the tail end effect of a lot of that is we're not even close to experiencing it yet.” — Jamelle Bouie (13:25)

• On Fear & Intimidation:
  “It seems to not be taken as seriously as what it is…Republican lawmakers are just being threatened with violence to themselves and to their families if they don't fall in line.” — David French (18:24)

• On Teflon Trump’s End:
  “The Teflon Trump thing…outside of [election years], people don't like this stuff.” — David French (20:52)
  “The knowledge that this era will, in fact end means…you’re going to start to see some…alternatives peeking out.” — Jamelle Bouie (21:34)

Recommendations & Cultural Notes

Timestamps: 28:09 – 31:51

• The group fondly remembers director Rob Reiner, recommending:

  • A Few Good Men for its timely critique of the ends-justify-the-means defense of brutality. (David French, 28:12)
  • The Princess Bride and This is Spinal Tap, recalling their wholesome qualities, wit, and cultural longevity. (Jamelle Bouie, 29:44; 30:38)
  • When Harry Met Sally—Michelle’s all-time favorite. (Michelle Cottle, 31:10)

• “Spinal Tap gives us the quote for this podcast that is the most useful during the Trump era: ‘This goes to 11.’” — Michelle Cottle (30:58)

Episode Flow & Tone

The conversation is critical and sobering, but leavened with humor and cultural references. The panel’s frustration with Trump’s presidency is clear, yet so is their hope in possible renewal. Their language remains direct, at times sardonic, and always deeply informed.

For Those Who Missed It

This episode offers a comprehensive, candid diagnosis of the state of American politics at the end of 2025—Trump’s fading “Teflon” act, the damage done to institutions, and a public no longer buying the old narratives. The hosts urge vigilance against intimidation and racism, lament deep policy failures, but close by encouraging engagement and anticipating that, even after “going to 11,” political normalcy may slowly return.