
President Jimmy Carter had a rich legacy, often marred by misunderstandings. Despite lasting only one term, his work postpresidency stands tall in its influence around the world. In this audio obituary, the Opinion columnist Nicholas Kristof reminisces on his interactions with the former president, Carter’s social work across countries in Africa and his influence on Kristof’s worldview.
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Nick Kristof
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I'm Nick Kristof. I'm a columnist for the New York Times. I think a lot of Americans just misunderstand how much President Carter did for the country and for the world. Now here's a guy who was regarded by so many as a failure, and yet I would say that he affected more lives over a longer period of time worldwide than any other president. President Carter had just such an amazing life. You know, here's this person who grew up without electricity or running water until he was 11 years old, ran around barefoot in the rural south, and yet he became president and influenced the world and I think elevated the position of hundreds and hundreds of millions of people. The first time I met President Carter was before he was president. I was a high school journalist and covering an event that he spoke at and I was just completely awed. And he had this very down to earth manner to him that didn't feel very presidential. It just felt very human. But then after that, I didn't interact with him for years. And it was only after he was president when I joined him on a trip to Ethiopia in 2007. He was visiting an area where river blindness was endemic and he had started a campaign to eliminate river blindness. On that trip, he gave me a great interview.
In America, if you ask somebody on the street what do you mean by human rights? They'll say freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of worship, trial by jury, you know, a democratic government. But those are not the human rights that afflict people in this village. They have some of those things. But I think there's a human right to live a decent life, to have a home in which to sleep at night, to be free of preventable diseases, to have a modicum of education, to have some human self respect, some hope that the future will be better than the past has been. You know, those are also human rights.
I loved him for that. Just determination to use his platform and his presidency not to enrich himself, but to help Ethiopian villagers avoid going blind. When he left the White House, he had nothing going for him, but he started tackling some really obscure diseases. Guinea worm affected over 3 million people around the world. Just one of the worst diseases you can imagine. Incredibly painful, and he told me he had hoped to eradicate it. He didn't quite manage to eradicate it, but There were just 13 cases last year, down from 3 million. It will be eradicated soon, and that would not have happened without Jimmy Carter. And so I guess, you know, when he dies at this ripe old age, it's really a moment not for sadness, but for a celebration of a extraordinary life so well lived that has so much for all of us to learn from.
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Podcast Summary: "What the World Gets Wrong About Jimmy Carter’s Legacy"
Podcast Information
In this episode, Nick Kristof, a renowned columnist for The New York Times, delves into the often misunderstood legacy of former President Jimmy Carter. Kristof challenges the prevalent American perception of Carter as a failed president, arguing instead that Carter's influence has had profound and lasting impacts both domestically and internationally.
Notable Quote:
"I think a lot of Americans just misunderstand how much President Carter did for the country and for the world."
— Nick Kristof [00:45]
Kristof begins by highlighting Carter's early life, emphasizing the challenges he faced growing up without basic amenities such as electricity or running water until the age of 11. Despite these hardships, Carter's resilience and determination propelled him to the highest office in the United States.
Notable Quote:
"Here's this person who grew up without electricity or running water until he was 11 years old, ran around barefoot in the rural south, and yet he became president and influenced the world and I think elevated the position of hundreds and hundreds of millions of people."
— Nick Kristof [01:05]
Kristof recounts his first meeting with Carter before his presidency, describing Carter's approachable and human demeanor. This grounded nature made Carter relatable and set the tone for his future endeavors.
Notable Quote:
"He had this very down to earth manner to him that didn't feel very presidential. It just felt very human."
— Nick Kristof [01:16]
After leaving the White House, Carter did not retreat from public life but instead focused on humanitarian causes. In 2007, Kristof joined Carter on a trip to Ethiopia, where Carter was actively involved in combating river blindness, a debilitating disease affecting many villagers.
Notable Quote:
"Just determination to use his platform and his presidency not to enrich himself, but to help Ethiopian villagers avoid going blind."
— Nick Kristof [02:45]
Kristof challenges conventional American notions of human rights, expanding the definition to include basic necessities such as adequate housing, freedom from preventable diseases, education, and the hope for a better future.
Notable Quote:
"There's a human right to live a decent life, to have a home in which to sleep at night, to be free of preventable diseases, to have a modicum of education, to have some human self respect, some hope that the future will be better than the past has been."
— Nick Kristof [02:45]
One of Carter's significant contributions post-presidency has been his relentless campaign against diseases like Guinea worm. Carter's efforts have dramatically reduced the incidence of this painful disease from over 3 million cases worldwide to just 13 in the previous year.
Notable Quote:
"There were just 13 cases last year, down from 3 million. It will be eradicated soon, and that would not have happened without Jimmy Carter."
— Nick Kristof [03:20]
Concluding his reflection, Kristof emphasizes that Carter's legacy should be celebrated rather than mourned. Carter's life exemplifies how leadership and dedication can create lasting positive change, offering valuable lessons for future generations.
Notable Quote:
"When you die at this ripe old age, it's really a moment not for sadness, but for a celebration of an extraordinary life so well lived that has so much for all of us to learn from."
— Nick Kristof [04:06]
Nick Kristof's episode on Jimmy Carter's legacy serves as a powerful reassessment of Carter's contributions beyond his presidential tenure. By highlighting Carter's humanitarian efforts and redefining human rights, Kristof paints a comprehensive picture of a leader whose impact transcends traditional political metrics. This narrative encourages listeners to recognize and appreciate the enduring influence of Jimmy Carter on both national and global scales.
Production Credits: Produced by Derek Arthur, Sofia Alvarez Boyd, Vishaka Durba, Phoebe Lett, Christina Samulewski, and Gillian Weinberger. Edited by Kari Pitkin, Allison Bruzek, and Annie Rose Strasser. Engineering, mixing, and original music by Isaac Jones, Sonia Herrero, Pat McCusker, Carol Saburo, and Afim Shapiro. Additional music by Amin Sohota. Fact Check team: Kate Sinclair, Mary Marge Locker, and Michelle Harris. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta, Christina Samulewski, and Adrian Rivera. Executive Producer of Times Opinion Audio: Annie Rose Dresser.