How Loved Ones Communicate After Death - Oprah Speaks With Medium Laura Lynne Jackson

Summary

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The Oprah Podcast

Episode: How Loved Ones Communicate After Death

Host: Oprah Winfrey
Guest: Medium & Author Laura Lynne Jackson
Date: November 18, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this heartfelt and transformative episode, Oprah Winfrey welcomes psychic medium and bestselling author Laura Lynne Jackson to discuss how loved ones can and do communicate with us after death. Drawing from her own experiences and those of callers, Laura explains the nature of the afterlife, how to recognize signs from those who have passed, and how everyone can cultivate a relationship with loved ones in spirit. Throughout, the conversation is interwoven with profound personal stories, audience questions, and practical advice for healing, deepening connection, and staying “open” to guidance and love from the other side.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Discovering the Gift of Mediumship (03:17–09:58)

• Laura’s Early Experiences:
  Laura recounts sensing and feeling energy as a child, mistaking her psychic perceptions for normal experience.
  • At 11, she had a premonition to visit her grandfather, leading to a meaningful final day with him before his sudden illness and passing.
  • After her grandfather’s death, Laura dream-connected with him, discovering a feeling that "the other side is our true home."
• Owning Her Abilities:
  At 23, Laura realized she was able to connect with consciousness beyond the physical, recounting a powerful reading for a man named Paul whose deceased girlfriend communicated specific details.
  • This experience initially left Laura feeling overwhelmed and fearful:

    “It was just so out there for me that it took me a number of years to really own that truth and also see it as beautiful and comforting.” – Laura (06:17)

• Societal Shut-off:
  Oprah and Laura discuss how children naturally perceive spiritual energy, but formal education and societal expectations shut down this ability by focusing on analytical, "front brain" thinking.

  “Young children come in…trailing the breath of angels.” – Oprah (06:47)
  “We all come here to Earth school to learn a collective lesson in love. And really our only rules are to give love and receive love.” – Laura (07:34)

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2. The Science and Practice of Spiritual Connection (09:01–10:54)

• Accessing the Spiritual Brain:
  Laura shares that scientific research has shown her brain “switches” from frontal lobe dominance to other brain wave patterns during psychic states—a pattern available to everyone:

  “We all have a switch in our brains that we can switch off this frontal logical…monkey mind…and re-access that spiritual part of ourself.” – Laura (09:58)

• Living an Illuminated Life:
  Both Oprah and Laura affirm that everyone has the potential for spiritual connection and guidance if they “open their hearts and minds.”

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3. Understanding the ‘Team of Light’ and Types of Signs (10:54–16:07)

• Composition of Spiritual Support:
  Laura describes each person’s "Team of Light":
  1. God energy – the connecting force of love.
  2. Spirit guides/angels – contracted before birth, not known in this lifetime.
  3. Loved ones who have crossed – including ancestors and pets.

  “They guide us as well…100% they are our angels as well.” – Laura (11:54)

• How the Departed Communicate:
  • Default Signs: Coins (particularly with special dates), electrical disturbances, manipulated texts, recurring number sequences, and specific songs or phrases.

    “They love messing with electrical devices, so flickering the lights…But now that we have cell phones…they love changing the words when you’re texting people…” – Laura (13:05)

  • Unique, Co-created Signs:
    Laura encourages being very specific with requested signs (e.g., a purple elephant, a pink dolphin) and affirming the communication through number sequences or songs.

    “Make it as unique as possible…Every new word you learn, you have a new way to communicate.” – Laura (14:56)

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4. Real-Life Stories of Signs and Guided Healing

Story 1: Brittany and the Giraffe (17:59–31:14)

• Brittany’s Loss:
  Brittany recounts the sudden loss of her seven-year-old son Bodie to a febrile seizure.
• The Giraffe Sign:
  On a family trip, Brittany feels Bodie’s voice guiding her to a stuffed animal display, picking out a giraffe (Bodie’s favorite animal). When scanning its code, they discover the giraffe’s "origin date" matches Bodie’s birthday—an undeniable sign for the family.

  “I said out loud, I need a sign from you. I need a sign that’s undeniable. That undeniable sign is exactly what he gave us of his birth date, 218.” – Brittany (27:42)

• Strength in Sharing:
  Laura emphasizes the power in sharing these stories:

  “The highest way that we can honor receiving a sign from them is to share that story, share the story with others…You and he became teachers.” – Laura (29:15)

• Continuing Relationship:
  Brittany explains how she actively chooses to “love him and foster a relationship” no matter what form that takes (29:54).
  Oprah affirms:

  “You have honored us so much and honored the name of your son, the life of your son, by sharing his story with us today.” – Oprah (30:23)

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Story 2: Nikki and the Name Andrea (35:24–40:12)

• Family Sign Request:
  After their friend Andrea passed, Nikki’s children ask for her to send them her name as a sign. Despite no results in a bookstore, they later see a street sign, “Andrea Way”, and the author of their new book is “Andrea Beatty.” Nikki reports frequent encounters with her grandmother’s number, too.

  “Not only did she show me a sign, she showed us a street sign that said, Andrea way.” – Nikki (36:57)

• Advice for Children:
  Laura commends Nikki for teaching her children to recognize signs and advises to empower kids to choose their own “language of signs” with loved ones or guides.

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Story 3: Nicole and the Birthday Signs (40:12–45:13)

• Prearranged Signs:
  Nicole shares how she and her mother agreed on sending each other signs before her mother’s passing, including repeating sightings of her mother’s birthday and finding white feathers in her home.
• Seeking Assurance:
  Nicole asks Laura how to fully trust these signs.

  “If you have a moment where you notice something and you have this little voice inside you that says to you, I think that was a sign. It was. That little voice is the connection.” – Laura (42:17)

• Staying Open:
  Oprah encourages “staying open” to communications in grief, reaffirming the ability to continue a relationship that "can be as strong and as powerful and certainly as guided."

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Story 4: Karen and Her Sister-in-law (46:33–51:49)

• Yearning for More Active Connection:
  Karen shares her desire to be more engaged in the ongoing relationship with her late sister-in-law and best friend.
• Living Vibrantly in Their Honor:
  Laura recommends performing actions in honor of those who’ve crossed—a run, a good deed, or sharing stories—since “their energy gets to experience that along with us…one of the most beautiful things we can do.” (49:46)
• Oprah affirms:

  “Just speaking her name and sharing the story here is a big thing, is a big, powerful thing.” (51:04)

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5. On the Relationship Between Pet and Human Spirits (51:49–54:18)

• Oprah shares how she noticed ongoing spiritual connections with her late dogs, explaining how animal spirits also continue to abide and sometimes show themselves boldly after passing.

  “This is also…true of loved animals and pets that have gone on.” – Oprah (52:47)

• Laura agrees, noting pets are often swift and effective at sending signs, and that surviving pets can sense spirits who have crossed.

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6. Final Reflections: Everyone Can Access the Light (54:24–55:31)

• Universality of Connection:
  Laura emphasizes that no one needs a psychic medium to connect with loved ones—simply setting the intention and asking to be guided is enough.

  “That doorway to all of that, that connection, it’s in each and every one of us. You can just do it by setting that intention…‘send me the signs, send me the messages.’” – Laura (54:45) “Use me as a vehicle of love and healing in this world.” – Laura (55:09)

• Oprah echoes:

  “Use me is a beautiful prayer. It's been one of mine for many years.” (55:31)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “Young children come in…trailing the breath of angels.”
  — Oprah (06:47)

• “We all come here to Earth school to learn a collective lesson in love…to give love and receive love.”
  — Laura (07:34)

• “We all have a switch in our brains that we can switch off this frontal logical…monkey mind…and re-access that spiritual part of ourself.”
  — Laura (09:58)

• “The highest way that we can honor receiving a sign from them is to share that story, share the story with others.”
  — Laura (29:15)

• “If you have a moment where you notice something and you have this little voice inside you that says to you, I think that was a sign. It was. That little voice is the connection.”
  — Laura (42:17)

• “She is always there. She abides with you, through you, above you, around you, and in you. She is always there.”
  — Oprah (44:27)

• “No one ever needs to go to a psychic medium to connect with that light.”
  — Laura (54:43)

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Segment Timestamps (Major Sections)

• 03:17 – Laura’s early experiences and the journey to mediumship
• 09:01 – The science of spiritual connection, brain waves, “switching”
• 10:54 – Understanding spirit guides and the ‘Team of Light’
• 13:05 – Signs and how the departed communicate
• 17:59 – Brittany and Bodie’s giraffe sign
• 35:24 – Nikki’s story: Andrea’s name as a sign
• 40:37 – Nicole’s signs from her late mother
• 46:57 – Karen’s ongoing relationship with her sister-in-law
• 51:49 – Oprah’s insight on animal spirits
• 54:24 – Laura’s closing message on universal access to connection

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

Warm, deeply compassionate, and nurturing, the episode affirms that love transcends death and that ongoing relationships with loved ones are not only possible but natural. Laura and Oprah gently challenge listeners to trust their intuition, lean into hope, and honor departed loved ones by staying open and sharing stories. Whether through unique signs, dreams, words, or shared rituals, the “team of light” guides each of us—reminding all that the illuminated life is accessible to every heart willing to receive.

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Transcript

[Brittany]

The day before our trip, I was sitting at his grave and I said out loud, I need a sign from you. I need a sign that's undeniable. That undeniable sign is exactly what he gave us.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Wow. Sounds like this is out of Laurelin's book. Really? Wow. Hello. It's my pleasure to be with you on the Oprah podcast. I know you all have a lot of demands on your time, so I am truly grateful that you chose to spend some of this time here with me. And my hope is that these conversations that we're having can serve to move you, to inspire you or connect you to an idea you may be hearing about for the first time or one that you've thought about and went, ah, yes, had an aha. Something that could enhance your life. I know so many people struggle after experiencing the loss of somebody you love, and one of the hardest things to bear or to accept is not being able to talk to them anymore. We often hear friends say, maybe you've said yourself, I wish I could have had just one more conversation with my mother or my sister or my husband, whoever has passed. So just one more so I could tell them what I didn't while they were here. Well, my guest today believes that we actually all have that opportunity and that we all have the capability to hear from our loved ones who have passed on. Now, I have always felt believed, and there is a knowingness inside of me that is assured that when you lose a loved one, that means you have an angel watching out or a spirit guide, whatever you choose to name it. It doesn't matter on the other side that everybody who passes is still there for you in some way. I've always felt that and have sensed that in my own life. And with me here in the teahouse is a psychic medium and author of two New York Times bestsellers. The Light Between Us is one of them, and the other is Signs. Many of you have read both of those books. And she is now out with her newest book. It's called Guided the Secret Path to an Illuminated Life. Welcome. Laura Lynn Jackson.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

Thank you so much for having me here. I'm so honored to be in the light of you.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Well, thank you for that saying that. I love that phrase. I'll be using it now. I think that there is a path to an illuminated life and that most people are shut down to it. So we're gonna be taking some questions from you, our podcast listeners, in a little bit, but I just wanna talk about what you have come to know to be true for Yourself and your experiences with working with other people. When did you know, Laura, that you had the gift of communicating with souls who had passed on to the other side? How did that first show up for you?

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

Well, I think I first understood there was something different about me in the way that I was perceiving the world around me. From a very young age, I used to see people in color. I used to feel what other people were feeling. But when I was very young, I thought, that's just how the world works. And then when I was 11 years old, I had this sudden knowing while I was in the swimming pool one August day, that I needed to go see my grandfather that day. It was a sense of panic, and my mom waited for me to get out. I went to visit him, and I had the most magical day with him. It was just the two of us. We laughed, we talked, and when it was time to say goodbye, I just hugged him. I told him how much I loved him. And that was the last time I ever saw him alive. He got diagnosed with leukemia two days later. And back then, if you weren't 16 years or older, you couldn't go to the hospital. So none of my siblings or I got to go see him. And he crossed within two weeks. And shortly after that, I had a dream where I connected with his spirit, and he showed me where he was on the other side, and that that was our true home. And I thought, that's really beautiful. But I'll tell you, it wasn't until I was 23.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Okay, so this happened at 11 that you had the dream about your grandfather and you connected to him from the other side.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

Yes.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Okay, and then you were 23.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

So when I was 23, I had come into understanding that I had these different abilities, and I had decided I was going to try to use them to help some people and. But I didn't really have an awareness of being a medium. A medium means you can connect with the consciousness of somebody who's no longer in their physical body. I just thought I was psychic because I would know things about people, and I could feel their energy, and I could see things about their past, their present and future. And I remember doing this one reading for a young man named Paul. He was in his late 20s. And in the reading, I had this very different experience that happened. And I was talking about his path and his life, and all of a sudden, I felt this energy come from my, like, behind me on the right, and started giving me all this information about Paul's girlfriend, Amy, all sorts of Things like her shoe size, the fact that she had just bought a new purse and saying all this love and beautiful messages for her. And I actually stopped myself and I apologized and I said, I'm so sorry. I don't understand what's really going on here. I'm getting all this information from someone named Chris and it's really focusing on Amy. Our whole reading's focusing now on Amy. And he stopped me and he said, it's okay. Chris and Amy used to be boyfriend and girlfriend. Chris died in a car accident that Amy was in the car and survived. That's her, that's her ex boyfriend. And he's like. And these messages are beautiful.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Wow.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

And I. It's hard.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Did you think woo woo? Cause I'm going to tell you, this sounds woo woo.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

Let me tell you, I thought woo woo so much that, that I stopped doing this. I shut down. I said, I can't handle that responsibility. And I also was so confused.

[Oprah Winfrey]

I mean, I think it would be scary too.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

It was.

[Brittany]

Yeah, it was scary.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

I was fearful of my own abilities. I was fearful about always having that responsibility of delivering the messages. Right. And I was fearful about people thinking I was crazy, including myself. It was just so out there for me that it took me a number of years to really own that truth and also see it as beautiful and comforting.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Yeah, I can see why that would happen. I mean, I have discussed and a lot of people are gonna say we are very woo woo for even having this conversation.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

Yeah.

[Oprah Winfrey]

But I've been talking about it for so long and I remember specifically doing a show on the spiritual life of children and talking to parents who had experienced this in young children. Because I have come to realize that young children come in. When you're young, you come in with it. That's exactly when you're born, you come in with it. I say you come in trailing the breath of the angels. I don't know where I got that from. It just occurred to me and I've experienced so many stories where children are trying to tell their parents, but about five or six, they no longer have it, I think because the density of the world or something. Have you discovered that also?

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

That is an absolute truth. We all come here to Earth school to learn a collective lesson in love. And really our only rules are to give love and receive love. It's so simple. But the way that we arrive here is through reading unseen energy all around us. So when we're young, we're reading that love energy, we're reading that connection that's.

[Oprah Winfrey]

What babies are doing.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

That's how we operate. And that's why children too, can sometimes recognize people from their family that they never met in the here and now as spirits that they're familiar with. It's very beautiful.

[Nicole]

But.

[Oprah Winfrey]

So that's why when I meet young babies, I go, yeah, tell me what you know.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

Yes. And you can feel that magic around them. Right. So I work actually a lot with scientists because I know that this is a truth for me. And I know that I've been really wanting to. Wanting to explore it, to understand how does it work in me, how come I can access it. Because it's truly a gift that we all have. I know this. And so what I've come to understand.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Is that, I mean, we may all have it, but I don't think everybody can access.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

Oh, we can re. Access it. You just.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Well, I know that's what you're saying and guided. But I'm like. A lot of people are so shut down to actual life. I think I feel like a lot of people who are just sort of moving through their lives and not really in touch with the reality and presence of their own lives. So I don't know how you could touch the other side if you're not even in touch with your own life, you know?

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

Yeah, that's such a careful point. And I think what happens, what you were describing, when children start formal schooling, usually kindergarten, first grade, second grade.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Yeah.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

They turn off that ability to connect with unseen energy, to feel each other's energy. Why is that? Well, what ends up happening to us is we get very much trained to use only the frontal lobes of our brain. That part of our brain's in charge of analytical thinking, critical thinking, math skills, language, all the day to day stuff we need. So from age 5 to 7 daily, we're being retrained to not perceive energy, but to get very focused on that frontal lobe. Do you know that most of us have 98% of our brainwave activities taking place just in our frontal lobe during waking hours? Now, what's different about me that scientists have looked at and that I find interesting for everybody listening is that when I am in normal talking mode, my brain looks pretty similar. They've done EEGs on my brain and I'm using mostly my frontal lobe. But the moment I go into psychic mode or mediumship, it looks like I go into a coma. Cause the brain waves silence and different parts of my brain light up.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Wow.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

And so what they've told me is we all have a switch in our Brains that we can switch off this frontal logical, what meditation teacher called the monkey mind that chatters.

[Nicole]

Monkey mind, right.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

And re access that spiritual part of ourself. And I really do feel like that's part of my mission here on Earth is to just reintroduce people to their spiritual self, to re access that. Because what your frontal lobe does is it tells you I'm separate from you. We're having separate experiences. I'm my own person. When in truth we all belong to each other. We're all having this collective experience in life.

[Oprah Winfrey]

And that's why you wrote Guided the secret path to an Illuminated Life. Because you believe that all of us have the possibility of having an illuminated life. If we pay attention to the guides, the guidance.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

If we open up our minds and hearts to that guidance and that connection with our teams of light on the other side, it can transform not only our lives, but the lives of those around us.

[Oprah Winfrey]

So you say we all have spirit guides on the other side that speak to us in different ways by sending us signs and messages to help guide us through life. And you call it a team of light. Who are these guides?

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

So I've come to understand that from my own experiences and all the readings I've done, each and every one of us has what I call a team of light. It's made up of three parts. The first part I see as God energy. Just this force of love that is part of us, inherent in us, connects us, leads us and guides us every day on our highest path. The second part of our team of light, and this might sound a little woo woo is is what I call spirit guides. Throughout time in history, a lot of religions will refer to them as guardian angels. This angelic realm with specific guides that each and every one of us have that have been helping us since the moment our souls came here to Earth school. They're nobody into this lifetime. They're just advanced angelic beings that we contracted with spiritual.

[Oprah Winfrey]

They're not in this lifetime.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

We don't know them this lifetime. That's, you know, they're usually before we come here to Earth, we contract with them. Now that doesn't mean that we can't call upon people who have lived on Earth and ask them to guide us to. We certainly can, but they're really more the angelic realm. And then we have loved ones who have crossed. That's the third part of our team of light, pets included, as well as our ancestors we might not have met. And they guide us as well. 100% they are our angels as well.

[Oprah Winfrey]

How do you know this?

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

I call them loved ones who have crossed.

[Oprah Winfrey]

How do you know this? How do you know this to be true?

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

So I've come to understand this through my own experiences with my guides, with my feelings of connection to God and with the way that I read and what I see on this inner screen when I read.

[Oprah Winfrey]

The screen in your mind? Yeah, the screen in your mind that shows up?

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

Yes.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Now, you say we all have spirit guides on the other side that are speaking to us. Are they speaking to us all the time?

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

They're trying to, because they like to help us with everything.

[Oprah Winfrey]

And they're speaking to us by sending us messages and signs to help us guide through life.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

Yeah. I always try to help people see the signs that they've already gotten from their team of light and their loved ones on the other side. I call them default signs. And so typically, what happens is when somebody crosses, one of the main things they want to do is let their loved ones know they're still very much present and that they're not in pain and that that love that they have for each other hasn't gone anywhere, in fact, can get stronger. And so they like to send what I call default signs. And default signs are putting coins in the person's path. Pennies, dimes and nickels. And I always say, pick it up if you're feeling that and look at the date, there might be a second sign. And I think, why are they doing that? And I think maybe it's because we return to light energy. And so it's easy to manipulate small metallic objects into our path. They also love messing with electrical devices, so flickering the lights, TV on and off. But now that we have cell phones, oh, they like having phone calls come in on special days with a number you can't call back. They love changing the words when you're texting people and usually pay attention when that happens. What that word changes to that might have special meaning to you.

[Oprah Winfrey]

It's not just autocorrect, you know, they.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

Love manipulating electrical devices to do this. Could it be autocorrect? Sometimes, maybe. But it's a really big little flag to pay attention if that happens to say, am I feeling somebody's presence? And what did that word change to you?

[Oprah Winfrey]

I'm a definite believer in signs. And I loved your previous book Signs. And it really affirming for me and for so many other people that there are specific indications. And you say that in your book Guided, you're now saying that we should ask for Very, very specific signs from our spirit guides. And so how do people ask for these specific signs and what do you ask for?

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

Yeah, so one of the things that our loved ones on the other side, our temolites, send us to are creatures that navigate this world using magnetic field electromagnetic fields like birds, butterflies, dragonflies, deer, bats. They do that to get our attention. But what they love is when we co create a language back and we can ask them for a very specific, let's say creature. But I always say don't make it something typical. Make it a little different. And also, you know what, make it as unique as possible. So let's say you think of an elephant. I want an elephant from a sign from my dad on the other side. Now let's change it a little. Let's make it a purple elephant or let's ask for a dolphin and change it, make it a pink dolphin. But it should extend beyond that because just like when you learn a foreign language and every new word you learn, you have a new way to communicate. That's our language. With those we love on the other side. They don't have voice boxes to say things. They don't have arms to hug us. But they are looking for all ways to communicate with us. I always encourage people to also pick a number sequence that they want to receive from their loved ones. It could be one that you just think of or it could be one that's meaningful or it could be one.

[Oprah Winfrey]

That continually shows up in your life.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

That's them already sending you signs. They've established that one. The greatest thing is when we recognize it.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Yeah.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

And you should ask for a song and a phrase as well. And now you created four ways that the other side can.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Yeah, I had a friend who had the number 4, 4, 4 kept showing up and yeah, that definitely means something when they keep showing up and showing up and showing up. We need to take a quick break. When we come back, our listeners share stories about signs from loved ones on the other side. Maybe that's happened to you. Stay with us.

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[Oprah Winfrey]

I'm with Psychic Medium and best selling author Laura Lynn Jackson, whose new book is called the Secret Path to an Illuminated Life. Okay, I want to bring in some of our listeners to talk to Laura, but first, let's watch this video a mother in Arizona posted on social media.

[Brittany]

This past weekend, we went on a trip for the first time since our son passed away. Before we left on our vacation.

[Oprah Winfrey]

I.

[Brittany]

Asked my son for a sign. Going as a family of four instead of a family of five was already such an eerie feeling. I just, I wanted to know that he was on the trip with us. Now I didn't know what to ask for because he was seven when he passed away. We were shopping for souvenirs and I was looking around and I see this tower of stuffed animals. And I immediately heard Bode's voice in the back of my mind, mama, I want this one. So I be lined straight to those stuffed animals and I picked up this giraffe. Bodhi loved giraffes and they were just his thing. My oldest son, who's 14, realized it's a follow giraffe where you like, you scan the, scan the code that's on this giraffe and then you, you can see where your animal is. We're looking at where it is. I'm like, oh, that's cool. You know, I hand the phone to my son and he's like, looks up at me with like, his eyes were big and he's like, mom, the giraffes origin date is February 18. And I just looked at him. February 18 is my son Bod's birthday. So immediately I burst into tears. I'm like a wreck. She he made himself known on our trip and we all took turns clinging to this giraffe the rest of the trip.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Wow, that's a story. That's exactly what you're talking about.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

That's exactly what I'm talking about.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Brittany's joining us. Brittany, hi. I'm so sorry for the loss of Bodie.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

Hi.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Your precious little Bodie.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

Thank you.

[Brittany]

And thank you.

[Oprah Winfrey]

He's with us in spirit. He's in spirit, and we're talking about him, and the energy of him is with us all. Now, if you're comfortable with me asking, don't answer if you don't want to, but how did he pass at 7?

[Brittany]

So it was kind of a traumatic passing, but it was very unexpected, and I call it a freak accident. But he was taking a bath on a Saturday morning, and we didn't know, but he had enterovirus, and he spiked a fever in the bathtub, and it can cause a febrile seizure. And so he ultimately had a febrile seizure while taking a bath. So we had a few days in the hospital with him because they got his heart started on the ambulance. And so we had some days in the hospital with them, and we were hoping that we. A miracle would happen. And we were praying, and we were just holding on to hope that he would pull through and his brain swelling wouldn't be too much. But we ultimately had to say goodbye three days after that accident. And.

[Oprah Winfrey]

God, my heart breaks for you. My heart breaks. How long ago was this?

[Brittany]

It was September 10th of 2024, so a little over a year ago.

[Oprah Winfrey]

That's just shocking. Yeah, shocking. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. And for the rest of the children and the family, just so hard, so many things having to deal with and unexplained things. So I'm trying to understand and asking this question for myself and the audience listening to us as well. So he had a seizure. Did he ended? Was he. Did he drown? Did he pass out in the tub?

[Brittany]

So they weren't really sure, and the doctors were kind of. It was just their best educated guess. Before the age of two, Bode had had two febrile seizures. Now, that's just a body's way of responding to a sudden spike in a fever. Now, those two febrile seizures he had had were essentially harmless. I remember asking the doctor, do I need to get him on seizure medication? No, he will outgrow these around age 5. It's nothing to worry about. So hindsight is 20 20. I think if we knew that he was even feeling crummy that day, we would have been right there next to him during the bath. But at seven and a half. You don't sit there and stare at them like they want their privacy. So you respect that, and absolutely. My husband had gone in and checked on him as he was drawing his bath, and Bode's like, he had taken a nap, and he's like, I feel great. I'm. You know, we're gonna have a good Saturday. And so my husband walked out and comes back, and he was already face down. So that was the part that just didn't make sense to us. We're like, how did that happen? There were no contusions to his head. There were no reasons why. And they couldn't call it a drowning because there was little to no water in his lungs. So essentially, the seizure caused him to go unconscious. And since he was face down, when his body tried to breathe again, it couldn't. And so that's why he didn't have water in his lungs. So it's kind of hard to say. Like, I can't just say, oh, yeah, he drowned, because that's not what happened. It's such a complicated story.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Yeah, it is complicated. And I know you would want answers and your family would want answers, but the only thing that matters now is that he's not here. And we were just looking at pictures of him, and he looks like such a happy boy. And when I was reading about your story, I just love the name Bodie. I love that name.

[Brittany]

Thank you. We named him Bodie because he was our enlightenment baby. I entered my pregnancy with him. I started to meditate and started to just get more in touch with my spiritual side. And so it was the most fitting name for him. And here we are now. It still is the most fitting name for him.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Yes. Well, you had told my team that you were never a quote, woo, woo, spiritual person, but that has now changed. Now with all the signs that you believe Bodie has been sending you and I. Listen, I have. I want you to tell us about that. But, I mean, a giraffe is not like a butterfly. You know, a lot of people talk about, I saw a butterfly. Well, we all see butterflies, but, yeah, we don't all see giraffes, you know?

[Brittany]

Well, Bode loved giraffes. I. I don't know when it started, but from a very young age, he loved giraffes. And so he had so many giraffes, stuffed animals, and he just loved them. In fact, the night of September 10th was the night that we came home from the hospital without Bode. And we. My kids, were like, can we please all sleep in the same room. I'm like, absolutely. Instant, yes.

[Oprah Winfrey]

How old are your other children? How old are the other children?

[Brittany]

Juniper is 12 and Braxton is 14.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Okay.

[Brittany]

They wanted to sleep in all the same bed. And so I was starting to prep the bed and just get stuff, you know, cleaned up and fixed up, and I noticed I'm throwing on the bed stuffed animals. But my mind was in such a haze that I wasn't even. It wasn't registering what I was doing. And my daughter Juniper is the one who pointed it out. She said, mom, why are all of Bode's giraffe stuffed animals here in your room? And I looked at them on the bed, and I was like, I don't know. Knowing very well, the last time I tucked that boy in, three nights previous, all of those stuffed animals were in his bed across the house. So it was the first sign that we received from him the night we got home from the hospital. All of his giraffe stuffed animals in my room. Other. There were no other stuffed animals, just his and just giraffes. And so I kind of took that as a sign of, like, giraffes are going to be maybe one of our ways to get signs from him. I didn't really know because, like. Like you said, and I said, I. I was the biggest skeptic. I've never been a super. In my adult life. I haven't been a super religious person. And so for me to lean into these signs and be like, I know that it's him. I'm the biggest skeptic of them all.

[Oprah Winfrey]

But when you all were away recently, the story that you, you know, put on social media, you were away, and, yeah, the voice in your head says, go to the giraffe. I mean, then it turns out it's the same date as his birthday. I mean, what did you think then?

[Brittany]

Yes, that was. I just knew it was him. I knew it was a sign from him, and I could feel it. I don't know how to explain it, but I could feel his energy. I know as his mom what his energy feels like, and so I knew it was him. I often go to his grave and I talk to him. I feel closest to him there. So the day before our trip, I was sitting at his grave, and I said out loud, I need a sign from you. I need a sign that's undeniable. I didn't. I didn't know what to ask for. But that undeniable sign is exactly what he gave us of his birth date. 218.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Wow.

[Brittany]

Right there. Sounds like it's right out.

[Oprah Winfrey]

It sounds like. It sounds like it's out of Laura Lent book. Really? Wow. It sounds like you were guided. It sounds like, you know, you were illuminated. It sounds like that was a sign. What do you want to say about this, Laura Lynn Jackson?

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

I first want to start by saying I'm so sorry for your physical loss. It's so hard for us to ever try to make sense about a child's crossing. It can't to us logically. I can only share what they tell me from the other side. And what they tell me is that it's all about love in some way and that they have taken that love with them and are still connected to the people they love here. I think it's so beautiful that you were open to trusting that voice you heard that said, go buy that giraffe. Because that's what our loved ones do. They want so badly for us to know they are present with us still. And the joy that that brought in knowing he was still present with you to his soul, to your family while you were on vacation for that is really.

[Oprah Winfrey]

It's like he was there. It's like he was there. He joined the vacation.

[Brittany]

Absolutely.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

Yeah.

[Brittany]

And we took turns, like holding the giraffe. And my kids wanted to, oh, it's my turn with the Bodhi giraffe. They wanted to just hold it. And it was a special thing for us to have the entire rest of the trip.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

Wow. I will tell you one thing too, that they tell me on the other side, the highest way, who is they and our loved ones who have crossed. And this is collectively. Collectively throughout all the readings I do.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Yeah.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

When I connect with people on the other side who have crossed, they all say the same thing to me. And it's this. The highest way that we can honor receiving a sign from them is to share that story, share the story with others. So I just want to let you know that you and he worked as a team of light together by you sharing that online. And now here with everybody who's tuning in, they could learn about that beautiful connection of love and know that they too are connected to those they love on the other side. So you and he became teachers.

[Brittany]

Absolutely.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

Thank you.

[Brittany]

I started just this summer to pivot my mind a little bit to this is not the relationship that I want as his mother, like, but if this is what I'm going, like this is the way I'm going to love him, then I'm going to lean into whatever that is and So I would say it was around June is when my mind started to pivot. And I'm going to love him and I'm going to foster a relationship with him, no matter what that looks like.

[Oprah Winfrey]

So that makes me want to cry. Brittany, I have to say, that is just so powerful. And you have honored us so much and honored the name of your son, the life of your son, by sharing his story with us today. Thank you so much. Thank you. I know that the light of him will continue to guide you and your entire family because he. It's really strong. I hear you. You have the giraffe there.

[Brittany]

I do. Would you like to see, honey?

[Oprah Winfrey]

Yeah. Oh, my.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

There he is.

[Oprah Winfrey]

That's the giraffe that was scanned in his. His birthday.

[Brittany]

Yes. This is the one. This is the little scanning. This is a little thing.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Wow. Wow.

[Brittany]

So, yeah, there he is.

[Oprah Winfrey]

That's a powerful story. Thank you so much. Thank you so much.

[Brittany]

Absolutely. Thank you.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Blessings to you. That's amazing.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

Yeah. That makes me so full of love to hear. I mean, she was.

[Oprah Winfrey]

It sounds like it's right out of your book, right?

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

Yeah. That, you know, the book isn't about people coming to me. It's about the beautiful stories that I hear of connection, that it can occur just by making this small change of choosing to be open, choosing to be open to the guidance and to the messages and learning to trust in it. So I think there's two big obstacles. The first is fear. Like, what does this mean? And this is so strange, and do I want to dive into this? And the second is trust. Trusting that inner voice that tells you, go do this. Trusting the messages.

[Oprah Winfrey]

This is what I've experienced. Tell me if you can affirm this or confirm this, that when somebody you love passes away, the spirit of them. I felt this very strongly with when Maya passed, that the spirit of them remains or abides with you in some way, and that you are, as Brittany was just saying, there is a relationship of connection that is very different than your relationship of connection when that person was in the dense body. But it's still very, very, very real. And I have sensed for myself that when people who have loved you on earth pass that it strengthens you. It makes you more aware, makes you more on it, more vibrant, more able to live your life with a different kind of intensity. And that's what death has taught me, is that one of the things you've.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

Given, the way that you just stated, that was so eloquent and profound and so true, and that's really the highest path we can all take when we physically lose someone we love. Because I think so often this materialistic world, you know, the paradigm we're living in, which by the way, has been blown to smithereens decades ago, but we're still pretending like what you see and touch is what there is. But I think what ends up happening is that we think of death as a dead end and it's not. It's a doorway.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Yeah, I know.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

And that relationship strengthens and people who were here and maybe even we could have had conflict with or they were stuck in a belief system. When we cross and do our life review, we understand in a millisecond the, you know, ways we were thinking maybe things we were stuck in, how we made others feel. And we evolve. And so those relationships we have with people on the other side, they're not just continuing, they are getting stronger and brighter. Anytime we ask forgiveness or give forgiveness is always received and heard. And we have this beautiful spirit that's present with us from the other side, guiding us, leading us.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Yeah. I want to say to anybody who somebody left and you felt like you needed to forgive them or they needed to forgive you, it all is well. Yes, all is well. All is well. You don't have to worry about, I should have said, or what if I only said, because once they leave, that's when you really get it.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

Yeah.

[Oprah Winfrey]

That's what I've come to feel is true. Time for a short break. Our listeners have questions for Laura about how to communicate with loved ones who passed on.

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[Oprah Winfrey]

I'm back with my conversation with psychic medium Laura Lynn Jackson. Laura's taking questions from our listeners. So let's get back to it. Nikki's joining us from Los Angeles. She and her longtime friend group lost their dear friend two years ago. Nikki, tell us your story. Hi. Welcome.

[Nikki]

Thank you. Thank you so much for including me. I really appreciate it. Two years ago, my family and I lost a Dear friend Andrea to cancer. And at the dinner table with our children, who were 8 and 11 at the time, we talked about death and the soul. And our boys asked us, well, how will we know if Andrea arrived to heaven safely? And I said, well, boys, she's going to show us a sign. Well, Mama, what is that sign going to be? And collectively, they decided, andrea, you should show us your name. I was like, okay. To myself, I'm like, this is a big task, but I'm going to go with it. Okay, Andrea, wherever you are, if you've made it there safely, we love you. Show us your name. And that weekend, we had taken a little family vacation, and we were in the little town, and there was a bookstore, and the boys wanted to go buy a book. And I was like, oh, in my head, this is the moment. Andrea in the bookstore. Come on, there's so many names. You got this. This is your time. Obviously, in my head saying this. And we were in there an hour. Absolutely nothing. I was so.

[Oprah Winfrey]

No author named Andrea.

[Nikki]

Not a thing, Oprah, nothing. Get in the car. And the kids are like, mama, what's wrong? I mean, they could tell I was a little upset. And I said, boys, I have to be honest with you. In the bookstore, I told Andrea in my mind, now is the time. Show us your name. As we pulled up to the stoplight, the boys go, mama, Mama, look. Not only did she show me a sign, she showed us a street sign that said, andrea way.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Get it out.

[Nikki]

The biggest street sign you could. I have chills right now. But, girls, she was not done. We got back to the Airbnb, and that night, my son asked me to hand him the one book that he bought at the bookstore. He wanted to read it in his bed, and it was written by Andrea Beatty. I didn't see it in the store, so she decided to show us a big old sign on the way home. And ever since then, I see Andrea's name all the time. We are having a luncheon for Andrea like we do every year during her birthday, which is coming up this Sunday. And my spouse and I went to dinner last weekend, and we were talking about how much we were looking forward to having the luncheon. It's when all of her close friends and family get together and we celebrate her. And of course, we were crying in the car. And we got to dinner, and we were seated across from a storefront that said Andrea's. Of course, she makes us sit right across from it at dinner tonight, you guys, I can't. We're Just talking to her in the car, I just laughed. I said, thank you. We love you. And I continue to talk to her. And you know, for two decades, I had my grandmother who's passed away, whose apartment number was 807. She shows me 807 twice a day, every day in everything I do, whether it's a license plate, how many emails I have, how many likes there is, if it's a random phone number or the time, something from the gas company telling me that this is your pin, it doesn't stop. And today, your producers had asked for some pictures that you might be using. And so I found the last one of my grams and I last night, which I took a snapshot of and I emailed it to myself with the word grams in the subject this morning so I could send it to your producer. No sooner did I send that to your producer, but I got a random email from a person named Dane Grams. It was like she said to me, I do 807 every day. I'm going to give you this today.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Oh, wow. Wow. Do you have a question for Laura?

[Nikki]

Wow, Laura, I do have a question. You know, when our children do see these signs, how can we nurture them instead of influence them to make them feel like that's the person or how do we honor that?

[Oprah Winfrey]

That's good.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

First, I want to start by commending you so much for teaching them about signs and that we can communicate with loved ones on the other side. That was the most important step because you gave them the tool and you gave them the blessing and permission to own that beautiful part of themselves. So just by doing that, this is phenomenal. What I will say is now encourage them to create a language of their own, whether that be with Andrea or a guide, and have them pick anything that they want so something that pops into their mind. Anything they want at all. Just continue to help guide them in the here and now to the beautiful gifts they have inside of connection and communication.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Nikki, that was a wonderful story you shared about Andrea. You can tell her. You can stop now, Andrea. It's everywhere.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

No, no, no.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Andrea way. Andrea, in the book, Andrea on the restaurant. It's okay. We. We hear you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you. Nicole is joining us from Chicago. I hear before your mother died that the two of you had a conversation about sending her signs to you from the afterlife. Tell us about that. Hi, Nicole.

[Nicole]

We did. And you know our conversations about spirituality and faith and religion and how to navigate life without her here in the physical World started long before she got sick. And one of the things that she said to me is that I don't know what I'm going to send you, but when I send it, you will know. And so after her transition four years ago, you know, I see her birthday plastered all over social media. I see it on license plates. I see it on the clock when I'm cooking. And ironically enough, I see white feathers in my house just sprinkled where they shouldn't be. And I'm like, mom, is that you? Like, I find myself speaking to her out loud, looking for confirmations. And I will say on my most difficult days, I look for the signs. And when they don't come, I'm like, okay, you got to send me something, because life is a mess. You know, life is hard. You know, I'm picking up the phone, I want to call you, I want to reach out. And it's just. It's been really tough. And so when she does send me a sign, I'm like, okay, this is giving me just a little bit more hope to bring my whole self back to life. Because my mom was my soulmate. And so when she died, I felt like a part of me went with her.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Do you have a question for Laura?

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

I do.

[Nicole]

When I feel her presence and I see signs stronger than I normally would, how do I know without a shadow of doubt that they are in fact for her?

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

Yeah. You know, it can be so hard because we're so trained to be in this analytical, critical thinking mode of just logic. And so we get in a little wrestling match with those spiritual experiences when we have them. Here's the rule that I've learned. If you have a moment where you notice something and you have this little voice inside you that says to you, I think that was a sign. It was. That little voice is the connection. I think learning to trust it is our real challenge.

[Oprah Winfrey]

That is the connection and learning to trust it. You know, I just wanted to say to you how commendable it is that you and your mother had this conversation long before she passed. Because one of the things that I think is so key in all these years in having conversations about death and people who've had near death experiences and transitioning people are afraid to talk about it. But what I have learned from all of my conversations and experiences with scientists and psychics and mediums and all, all of them, the array, is that staying open is the key. You know, we've been taught a certain way to behave and grieve and mourn. And so Forth. And I always say to people, just stay open. Even in the grieving process, in the mourning process. Obviously you're mourning the loss of your relationship here in the density of the body. But just as Brittany was sharing with us about being able to have a relationship with her son, however that was gonna show up in the spirit, you can continue to have a relationship. It's not what we're accustomed to, but can be as strong and as powerful and certainly as guided. Guided. I use those who passed on, Maya being amongst them, as my guides, you know, through the density of this life. And I see that you are doing the same thing. And I wanted to just say, you know, when the feathers show up in the room or whatever signs that you're looking for, she's always there. She's never not there. Just because you're looking at the signs and you think, oh, that's you, that's you. She is always there. She abides with you, through you, above you, around you, and in you, she is always there. Yeah, that's what I feel. I feel that for myself. I feel. I say that because I so assuredly feel that for myself. Is that not true?

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

That's so true. That's so beautiful how you said it, too. Because we ask for these signs as proof, and we need that. Sometimes in the tangible world, you're looking.

[Brittany]

For the thing of the thing of.

[Oprah Winfrey]

The thing, and she's never not there.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

Never not there. I love that. Yes.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Never not there. All right. God bless.

[Brittany]

Thank you. God bless.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Thank you. God bless. Nicole, Hope you find this conversation with Medium Laura Lynn Jackson comforting in some way. If you think this episode may help a family member or friend, share the link to this episode. We'll be right back.

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[Oprah Winfrey]

Thanks for joining me here for my conversation with psychic medium and author Laura Lynn Jackson. We're about to meet a woman who lost her very best friend and is hoping to keep a spiritual connection with her. All right, Karen is joining us from near Berkeley, California. Hi, Karen. I know you've been listening. How do you relate to this conversation?

[Karen]

It's very profound. A lot of what's already happened has really touched me and has a lot of connection with what I wanted to share. So I lost my sister in law who I knew for decades. She was my very best friend. She was diagnosed with stage four stomach cancer in October of 23 and she died in May, seven months later. And while it was a very hard seven months, of course she was such a warrior and such a teacher that it was actually a very inspirational seven months. And her death was also very beautiful and inspirational and designed by her in many ways. A couple weeks before she died, we had a conversation and she said, karen, I will always be with you and I will always connect with you if you're open.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

And.

[Karen]

We shared a very special bond. And she knew me very well. She knew that I have trouble being more open sometimes. I was different from her that way. But she honored her promise. She has showed up for me in very beautiful ways. And when she does, I always say, hi, Raquel, I love you. And I know it's her, you know, without a doubt. I guess that leads me to my question, which is that I feel that I'm somewhat passive in our relationship, meaning she comes to me. But I really would like to honor her more with being more courageous and like you were saying, you know, maybe address the fear and generate more trust. How would I do that?

[Oprah Winfrey]

How to open? How. How to be more open? I mean, I think I keep going back to Brittany and Bodie. I think the fact that she was able to actually articulate what you're trying to express, not trying to express what you have expressed in guided. And what we're trying to express here is that it's about another kind of relationship. And we're all just used to these relationships, you know, and the dense body. But Let Brittany be your guide and teacher also, as well as Laura Lynn Jackson here, because the fact that she feels that going to her son's grave is the place that she can best, you know, feel him or communicate with him, and that she's staying open to receiving the messages, that is the key, as I have learned over the years with my encounters with people who've passed. What would you like to say?

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

Absolutely. You know, one thing I would like to share, too, is that we can receive these signs, and we know that they're present, but they also are rooting for us to live vibrant and engaged, meaningful lives where we are being loving. So one of the things that those who have crossed on the other side will share with me consistently is that when any person here does something in their name, whether it's run a race, contribute to something, tell a story about them, pay for some of these ice cream with the intention of this is to celebrate my love for that person on the other side. They're a team of light with us. They get their energy, gets to experience that along with us. It's one of the most beautiful things we can do. So I want to commend you so much for being open to this new language, because as you said before, that's not your norm, but your love for each other is what helped open you and I think, go forward into this world, talk about her, celebrate her, and do acts in your own life that celebrate that joy and that love in whatever way feels right.

[Karen]

Yeah, I do. I do share everything that I experience of her with her, with her daughter who's 15, and her.

[Oprah Winfrey]

That's good.

[Karen]

My brother and her son. I do try to pass it along, so.

[Oprah Winfrey]

But even, even, even. May I just say to Karen that what Laurelin was saying earlier, just speaking her name and sharing the story here is a big thing, is a big, powerful thing. It's like honoring the memory in a way that gives respect and glory to her name and the work that she did here on earth in the body.

[Brittany]

Yes.

[Karen]

Yes.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Yeah. In closing, I would just say stay open, stay open, stay open, stay open. And even if it feels woo, woo, woo. I never felt anything like this before. Never experienced the word. This is weird. Stay open, stay open, stay open, stay open.

[Karen]

Thank you so much.

[Oprah Winfrey]

You know what taught me this? In addition to reading signs, your book, in addition to having had so many conversations over the years about death and dying, is I've had 21 dogs. 19 of them have passed. And what I started to see was a pattern in the soul crossing of My dogs, that each one of them had a different energetic soul vibration. Some were smaller than others, some were bigger than others. Some were more profound and more pronounced than others. But I started paying attention to. To the deaths of my dogs and how their spirits abided with me. So I think this is also not just true of humans, but it's also true of loved animals and pets that have gone on.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

Absolutely. I think pets can even communicate with us better than humans initially sometimes. Because I think our animal companions never got stuck in the language. Right. The English language or whatever language. And so they're really good at manipulating things to get us signs right away to let us know they're still around and loving if we can feel their presence. That's so beautiful. I've also found if we have other pets, we might find that after. Let's say we have a dog here and a dog that cross, we might find that our dog here all of a sudden starts looking at something that we can't see and barking and getting all excited. Why animals? Consensus spirit. In a way that I think we're a little limited.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Yeah. And this is. This is a. This is something that I've done in the past. I don't know why I started doing this, but maybe a vet told me this years ago because I've had so many dogs. And when the dogs have been together and a dog passes, I bring the other dogs in to smell the dog that has passed. That's so sweet. So that they can sense that the death has come and they're not waiting for the other dog. So I just did this recently, in February, when I lost my dog Sunny. I bought Lauren Sadie in to sense and smell Sunny to know that Sunny was gone. So they're no longer waiting for Sunny because the dogs know the moment they come up to the dead body, they know, and they just walk away. They're not mourning or anything, but they know that there's no life there.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

Yeah.

[Oprah Winfrey]

What do you most want people to know about the light on the other side?

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

Oh, that it's real and that it's accessible to all of us at all times. That no one ever needs to go to a psychic medium to connect with that light.

[Oprah Winfrey]

That's what you say. Yeah. You've written the book about it. And then you say we don't actually need. It's like no one needs.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

Ever needs a psychic medium.

[Oprah Winfrey]

No one needs me to make these connections happen in their lives.

[Laura Lynn Jackson]

Absolutely. You know, I spent 20 years as a high school English teacher, and I know that my soul is here as a teacher. I happen to be a psychic medium, and I felt called. I knew this was my calling now, to open people's minds and hearts to this teaching. But all I want to teach them is that that doorway to all of that, that connection, it's in each and every one of us. You can just do it by setting that intention, saying, okay, I'm all in. I'm ready to receive your guidance. Send me the signs, send me the messages, send me the knowings. Guide me onto my highest path. You know, I always love to say to my team of light, use me as a vehicle of love and healing in this world. However, I can best be used. And we can all say that because we're also all part of each other's journeys, for sure. Yeah.

[Oprah Winfrey]

Yeah. And I think use me is a beautiful prayer. It's been one of mine for many years. Thank you, Laurelyn Jackson, and thank you to all of my guests for sharing your story. Laura's new book is called the Secret Path to an Illuminated Life, which is the life we all want. It is available wherever books are sold. And I hope you come on back next week. I'll be right here on the Oprah Podcast. Go. Well, you can subscribe to the Oprah Podcast on YouTube and follow us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen. I'll see you next week. Thanks, everybody.