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Episode: Breaking: Trump Admits to Stealing 10 Billion Taxpayer Dollars in Massive Corruption Scheme
Host: Aaron Parnas
Guest: Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY)
Release Date: February 5, 2026

Overview

This explosive episode unpacks what Aaron Parnas calls “one of the biggest corruption schemes of the Trump administration happening in plain view.” The main focus is the Trump administration’s decision to sue the IRS and Treasury Department—using government officials loyal to Trump—seeking $10 billion in taxpayer money to be awarded, allegedly, to a “charity” of Trump’s choosing. The second half features a revealing conversation with Senator Gillibrand about recent Congressional funding victories for 9/11 first responders, the status of ICE and DHS negotiations, immigration enforcement, and gun crime statistics under the current administration.

Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump’s $10 Billion “Corruption Scheme” ([00:36] - [05:26])

• Announcement & Context

  • Aaron Parnas breaks the news about Trump and his Treasury Secretary, Scott Besant, admitting they plan to take $10 billion in taxpayer funds (00:36).

    “Donald Trump and his treasury secretary…have admitted that they are going to take $10 billion taxpayer dollars, your money, and give it to a charity of Donald Trump's choice. This is probably one of the biggest corruption schemes…” — Aaron ([00:36])

  • The backstory: Trump sued the IRS/Treasury for $10 billion, claiming his 2020 tax returns were illegally leaked. His own appointees are now on both sides of the lawsuit.

• Conflict of Interest Highlighted

  • Parnas explains Trump’s “massive conflict of interest”—suing his own government, with loyal appointees (Scott Besant, Pam Bondi) technically defending against his lawsuit.
  • Trump claims to have already “won” the lawsuit and plans to direct funds to charity, but it's unclear which charity.

• Trump’s NBC Interview ([02:43] - [03:29])

  • Trump:

    “What I would do, tell them to pay me. But I'll give 100% of the money to charity. I don't want any of the money.” ([03:23])
    “Yeah, if I give money to American Cancer Society, I will. I will give 100% of the money away to. I don't want any… We're going to take 10 billion out of the system.” ([03:29])

• Parnas’ Analysis

  • Aaron is skeptical, speculating that Trump’s preferred “charity” could be his own foundation or presidential library—“Wouldn't be surprised if this money goes there.” ([03:57])
  • Emphasizes, “You can't just take money out of the federal government and donate it to charity just because you want to.”

• Treasury Confirms Taxpayer Dollars at Risk ([04:35] – [05:18])

  • Scott Besant, as Treasury Secretary and acting IRS director, confirms the $10 billion payout would come from the Treasury’s general fund—i.e., taxpayers’ money.

    “It comes from treasury, which comes from the general fund, the treasury general account. So taxpayers.” — Scott Besant ([05:11])

• Exponential Legal Risks

  • Parnas spotlights the logical leap: If 44,000 other people’s returns were leaked (as Trump claims), could each sue for $10 billion? “You have trillions and trillions of dollars. …At a point, it’s untenable.” ([05:26])
  • Concludes with a warning: “This is a massive conflict of interest. And yet no one's talking about it.”

2. Congressional Wins for 9/11 First Responders ([06:57] – [07:57])

• Interview with Senator Kirsten Gillibrand
  • Discusses her decade-long push to secure healthcare of 9/11 first responders—successfully fully funding the World Trade Center Health Program through 2040.

    “We just actually got it done. We finally got the resources to fully fund this program through 2040. …a huge sigh of relief for these first responders…” — Sen. Gillibrand ([07:10])

3. ICE, DHS, and Immigration Reform Standoff ([07:57] – [14:31])

• Impact of Administration Policies on Gun Crime Investigations

  • Gillibrand talks about a dramatic drop in prosecution of gun trafficking since the new administration.

    “…the percentage of cases that are actually going, being investigated has dropped. I think over 90%. Like a ridiculous amount of inaction by this administration.” — Sen. Gillibrand ([09:05])

  • Highlights the connection between ICE enforcement shifts and fewer illegal guns being taken off the streets.

• Democratic Negotiating Position for DHS/ICE Funding

  • Details the ten accountability and oversight measures Democrats demand in the new appropriations (body cameras, no racial profiling, limiting ICE’s presence, civil enforcement standards, protection of “sensitive locations”).

    “We want them to stop racial profiling…We want to protect sensitive locations…prohibit funds from enforcement near them…build safeguards…members can do oversight visits…” — Sen. Gillibrand ([10:17])

• Gillibrand on Negotiation Thresholds ([13:17])

  • Responds to the possibility of a partial victory: “I think they need to start negotiating and see how close we can get to getting all 10. …these are literally basic law enforcement standards...”

    “ICE is out of control and these reforms are necessary to bring them back into control. ...these reforms are necessary for people to have faith and that the federal government isn't there to destroy them.” — Sen. Gillibrand ([13:17])

• Willingness to Withhold DHS Funding ([14:23])

  “We are absolutely prepared to shut down everything if they won't come to the table.” — Sen. Gillibrand

Memorable Quotes

• Aaron Parnas:

  “He is suing his own government for $10 billion taxpayer dollars, your dollars…he is essentially negotiating against his own people.” ([00:36])

• Donald Trump (NBC interview, via clip):

  “What I would do, tell them to pay me. But I'll give 100% of the money to charity. I don't want any of the money.” ([03:23])

• Scott Besant, Treasury Secretary:

  “It comes from treasury, which comes from the general fund, the treasury general account. So taxpayers.” ([05:11])

• Sen. Gillibrand:

  “We finally got the resources to fully fund this program through 2040…[It’s] a huge sigh of relief for these first responders.” ([07:10])
  “The percentage of [gun trafficking] cases that are actually…being investigated has dropped…I think over 90%…” ([09:05])
  “ICE is out of control and these reforms are necessary to bring them back into control.” ([13:17])
  “We are absolutely prepared to shut down everything if they won't come to the table.” ([14:23])

Key Timestamps

• [00:36] Trump scheme explained: Lawsuit, conflict of interest, and outlined plan
• [02:43] Trump’s NBC News interview excerpt
• [04:35] Treasury Secretary Scott Besant confirms payout from taxpayer funds
• [06:57] Gillibrand on 9/11 first responders program fully funded
• [07:57] Shift in ICE priorities, gun crime enforcement under Trump admin
• [10:17] Ten Democratic demands for ICE/DHS reform in negotiations
• [13:17] Gillibrand on negotiation thresholds
• [14:23] Gillibrand: Readiness to withhold DHS/ICE funding

Tone & Language

The episode maintains Aaron's signature blend of urgency, legal clarity, and skepticism, particularly when deconstructing the Trump administration’s legal maneuvers. Senator Gillibrand’s tone is persistent and policy-focused, with clear frustration at the lack of oversight and accountability in both gun crime and immigration.

Summary

This episode is a must-listen for those seeking a close, lawyerly unpacking of a highly unusual—possibly unprecedented—presidential lawsuit and its potential ramifications for U.S. taxpayers and government integrity. The interview with Senator Gillibrand adds a powerful Congressional perspective, balancing hope (on 9/11 health funding) with alarm regarding ICE, DHS, and gun crime enforcement. The fate of $10 billion in public funds—and the principles of conflict of interest in government—are laid bare, with sharp analysis and notable candor from all parties involved.