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Host/Interviewer
Good evening, everyone. This is one of the most important updates I personally have ever given. It's much longer and it's focused on the Jeffrey Epstein files. Because tonight I had the pleasure and truly the honor of walking through the Epstein Trump Reading Room here in Washington, D.C. with Marina Lacerda and Andrea Sterling, two Epstein survivors who to this day have not yet gotten justice or accountability. It's a longer video. It's not fully edited or fully produced, but Andrea and Marina tell their stories to many of you for the first time. They tell the harrowing tales of their abuse. They tell you what Jeffrey Epstein did to them. And we do this on the eve of Donald Trump's 80th birthday because they call out the President directly. He has not done enough to ensure that they get justice, they get accountability, and he himself has not been held accountable. So please do me a favor, like comment and share. Get this out everywhere so that people see it. And if you can support my work today, subscribe to my substack or upgrade your subscription or gift a subscription at the link below. This is something that other platforms definitely will censor, but we need to get the truth out. And I promise you from the beginning, the Epstein files, the Epstein survivors will and have always been to top of mind for me. And so without further ado, here's my conversation with Marina and Andrea tonight. Let me know what you think in the comments.
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Interviewer/Guide
I'm here in the Epstein, the Trump Epstein reading Room with two Epstein survivors. I'm going to have them introduce themselves and we're going to do a quick walk and talk through the room and hear more about their stories. So I'll start with Marina.
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Marina Lacerda
Hello, my name is Marina Lacerda, also known as Minor Victim 1.
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Andrea Sterling
Hi, my name is Andrea Sterling. Wait, what else would I say? Like, my name is Andrea Sterling and I met Jeffrey in New York.
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Interviewer/Guide
Well, so I want to talk about that.
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Host/Interviewer
How does it feel to be here
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Interviewer/Guide
today in the Epstein, Trump Epstein Reading Room right now?
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Marina Lacerda
Well, for me, I think, you know, being in the New York Trump Epstein library room was, you know, it was a wonderful, wonderful experience to see all of, you know, the pages that were on a, you know, just on the computer where you can't see it all versus seeing everything in plain sight and seeing how much we have, how much information that we have and that we, we are not looking for. Right. And now seeing on this huge space is even, you know, I, I can't even explain the feeling. Right. Andrea, I think, like, this is even better than New York, right?
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Andrea Sterling
Yeah. And you have a better context of what they're hiding, of how many files are actually redacted. So much information that, you know, it's so difficult to find when you go to Internet. And here it's just easier to have access to the actual files.
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Interviewer/Guide
So let's go look at some of them over here. Marina, when did you first meet Jeffrey Epstein?
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Marina Lacerda
Well, unfortunately, I met Jeffrey Epstein it was right before I turned 14, about two months before I turned 14, I was still 13. And, you know, at that time, I already had gone through so much with my stepfather, being abused by him from the ages 8 until 12. And finally, you know, somebody helped me, you know, go to the police. My mom didn't want to go. And after I did go, my mom was just so adamant about that it was my fault that I went to the police. And, you know, I really expected for her to, you know, back me up on it. And it was just a complete. I don't know, I always think it was a complete mistake that I went with my friend. But when I look at it today as an adult, I'm so thankful that this bet, this friend, this roommate who lived in our house, you know, took the courage to ask me to go with her. And I was already in a bad situation as it is with my stepfather. And then when my stepfather left, I already had this friend who didn't lead me the right way and just always, you know, introduced me to the wrong kind of people and the wrong, you know, just being in the wrong place at the wrong time. And she said to me one day, she said, hey, listen, I know somebody who's, you know, really famous and rich, and he likes to get massages by young girls. And at the time, I didn't think it was anything big. I went through so much with my stepfather. I was sexually abused. I was raped. I was physically abused by him. I didn't think of it as the worst thing possible. And, you know, she said, you'll get $300 for half an hour. Needing money at home, becoming the head of household, not. Not as, you know, not choosing that. My mom chose that for me. I didn't think of it bad. And she said, listen, the only thing is you have to take your shirt off. And I said, okay. Doesn't seem like so bad. And here I go, I get in a cab leaving from Astoria, queens. I was 14. Well, almost 14. And when we got there, you know, if, you know, Astoria, Queens, in New York, there's no mansions. It's like, you know, maybe like, what are they called? Like private homes. Yeah. Like, yeah, brownstones, you know, so getting there and seeing this mansion in Manhattan, which I didn't even know Manhattan, you know, they had mansions in Manhattan, to be honest with you. You reaching there, I was like, oh, my God. Like, this is so, like, crazy. Like, I'm so shocked and amazed by, like, this. My friend knows this person. And when we got in, the maid opened up the door. You know, she pressed the doorbell, she answered the intercom. She comes and opens the door. And when I got in and I seen this, like, I don't even know how many foot ceiling, you know, how tall it was. It was just like, wow. You know, a couple minutes in, we're in the office waiting room, which, you know, was his office, in which some of the girls waited. And just looking around and seeing, like, this, like, half library, half, you know, office, and just these books and these pictures with all these important people, I just was like, wow, this is definitely the real deal. And a couple minutes in, the maid comes and gets us and brings us to the third floor.
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Interviewer/Guide
When you say us, you're multiple girls.
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Marina Lacerda
It's me and another Jane Doe, the first girl that brought me there. And when we get up to the third floor, you know, this hallway opens with all these black and white sketches with, like, naked women and some weird statues. And in my head, being so young, I was like, well, I guess this is what rich people stuff. You know, this is what they do. We entered the room, and my first. First thing that I see, like, what I just opened my eyes to was like, that he had the ceiling full of clouds. And I absolutely love this guy. And I love, you know, every. Everything about this guy. And when I saw these clouds, I was like, wow, this person definitely knows how to, like, you know, feel Zen down and relax.
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Host/Interviewer
They were painted on the roof or
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Marina Lacerda
it was like a 3D.
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Interviewer/Guide
Okay.
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Marina Lacerda
Like, I don't know. It wasn't 3D, because I don't think back then we had 3D, but it was like you could almost. It was almost like the real sky. And I got in and I seen that, and it was a very dark room. And he had a cabinet full of lotions. Victoria's Secret, probably other expensive lotions. But at the time, I was so obsessed with Victoria's Secret. And he entered the room and he said, hi, my name is Jeffrey. And I said, hi, my name is Marina. And he turns around and goes, I've heard such wonderful things about you. And in my mind at the time, I thought, oh, my God, my friend has Definitely told him that, like I'm an immigrant, I'm going through a lot. My stepfather is not around, I'm taking care of my sister and my mom. At that point, my mom and my sister and I lived in a four bedroom. We moved all of our stuff into a one bedroom of that apartment and rented everything out. You know, eating peanut butter and sandwich, like just peanut butter and bread in the morning, you know, the noodle cup at night, it was really tough. And then I come to find out that that was not what she had said. And you know, in the beginning, Jeffrey comes in, he puts, he lays down with his head down and just asking me, hey, how old are you? What school do you go to? Like where are you from? Basically asking about my life and seemed interested and seemed like he wanted to help me. Yeah, because he wanted to know who I was. And he gets on the phone as usual as he, I found out later, he always got on the phone and made a business phone call. And when he hung up, he turned around and at that time he already had taken off his robe and put on a towel. The towel fell off when he turned around and I just thought he was going to get up. And when he turned around, he looked at me and he said, can you take off your bra? And I said, I didn't even speak. I was.
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Host/Interviewer
You were 14 at the time?
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Marina Lacerda
I was still 13. Thirteen, I was a few months before turning 14. And I looked at him and I was just shook my head because now it goes back to me being my 8, 9 year old self with my stepfather. When I didn't, when I didn't obey what he wanted. Then I got physically abused. So. And I'm in third floor of a mansion that I never been before. So I just shook my head no. And my friend automatically, I could see she already got upset. And then he reached in to grab my boob and I just put his hand down and I said, I'm not comfortable. And my friend went in Portuguese oh my God, why are you acting like that? You're acting like such a prude. And I just stood there and he was like, he looked at her, he goes, it's okay, it's okay, she will get comfortable within time. And she came to the other side, which I was in. And more of her clothes start again. You know, she removed the rest of her clothing and they started to aggressively have this like whole experience where like, you know, she was like pressing it, like pinching his nipples so hard. And then he spat in his hand and he started Jerking off. And he was, like, touching her, and I'm just literally standing next to her, like, in complete shock and just frozen.
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Interviewer/Guide
How old was she at the time?
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Marina Lacerda
She was two years older than. So I think 15 and a half. Almost turning 16. Yeah.
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Andrea Sterling
Little girls.
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Interviewer/Guide
Little girls. You mentioned that you met Jeffrey Epson in New York, too.
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Andrea Sterling
Yeah.
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Interviewer/Guide
Was your story similar?
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Andrea Sterling
There are similarities there. I had a friend. She's a minor. She was a minor by then. And actually she invited me a lot to parties, normal parties. So when she invited me to Jeffrey, I was in, like, six. Skeptical. I was, you know, she. The deal is they made it. They make it. He wants to make it. Make it look like it. Like he's hooking up girls. Right. So he wants to keep that between minors. He doesn't want to involve older people. He doesn't want that. So the girls come to me. It was two of them. And they come to me like, you know. You know, we met a rich guy. Just give them a massage, you know, like. Like hooking me up.
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Marina Lacerda
So.
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Andrea Sterling
Because they think what they're doing is also, like, he's helping them, you know, they truly believe this. So they take me to his house, and then. Yes. The maids open the door. They make me wait in an office, which is also, like, part of the game is that he wanted you to see that he was friends with politicians that he was friends with.
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Interviewer/Guide
Were they all pictures of him? Him and politicians have everywhere.
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Marina Lacerda
Exactly.
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Andrea Sterling
And he's celebrity.
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Marina Lacerda
Yes.
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Andrea Sterling
He makes you wait in this room. And I didn't realize that it was like, a technique until I saw the other interviews with another girls. And I was like, oh, my God, that sounds like my story. And it's. And. And that's when you realize, holy shit. Like, that's part of, like, what he does. Exactly. So he makes you wait and there's nothing else to do for you then to just see a bunch of pictures of him and you feel safe. You're like, oh, he has. He's. You know, he's.
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Marina Lacerda
He's out there.
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Andrea Sterling
Exactly.
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Marina Lacerda
He's part of, like, this world.
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Andrea Sterling
Exactly.
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Marina Lacerda
Everybody knows him. So how could he be a better
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Andrea Sterling
person to do Kidnapped me? He's a millionaire. He's not gonna kidnap me without knowing that in that moment I was being trafficked. So then I go upstairs, and the girls are already upstairs. Two girls. And I'm smelling some perfumes. Like, she mentioned he had a very small room of massage. It was actually very small for the size of the house. Like, I was. I remember I thought about that too. I was like, this is so small comparing of the magnitude of this house, but whatever. Then the massage starts normally. Oh, no. So when he walked in, I'm smelling some oils and perfumes, and he asked me if I like it. I say, yeah, yeah, you know, it smells great. He's like, you can keep it. So I'm like, oh, my God, he's so nice.
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Interviewer/Guide
And how old were you?
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Andrea Sterling
I was 17. I'm still between. It was like 16, 17. I'm still debating between 2003, 2004. And then we start the massage, like, three of us, and he starts requesting to take off the top. I also feel uncomfortable. And he also does the same thing, but in this case, he kind of removes the girls and kind of tells them, like, let me take care of her, because I'm being a little difficult to convince. And, you know, just shit happens in there. And then at the end, he's very upset with me, though. Like, he does everything he wants, but because I keep on fighting. I keep on, like, not letting it, but letting her make. And it was like a back and forth of getting freezed and fighting it. At the end, he was very upset and he told the girls, like, you know, that he wasn't happy with me or, you know, like, stuff like that. But I wasn't either, you know, Like, I wasn't planning to go back anyway. Then we go to outside of the house, we have a fight, you know, with the girls. Because I was like, you guys, you know, this wasn't clear, but they're already caught up with him. They're already brainwashed. So that's it. I go home and that was my story with him.
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Interviewer/Guide
And I feel like these stories that I hear from both of you, they're the same stories I've heard from so many. Exact same story.
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Marina Lacerda
Exactly.
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Host/Interviewer
One thing that I.
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Interviewer/Guide
Let's walk up here. One thing that I heard in a
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Host/Interviewer
number of other stories was that he
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Interviewer/Guide
would give out books.
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Marina Lacerda
I had one.
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Interviewer/Guide
You do?
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Marina Lacerda
Yes.
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Andrea Sterling
You give what?
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Interviewer/Guide
Books for massage techniques.
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Host/Interviewer
Right.
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Marina Lacerda
Wow. Actually, mine was an Inquirer book.
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Interviewer/Guide
An Inquire book.
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Marina Lacerda
Okay. Yeah. I just recently found out that he liked to give books, too. I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah. He had an inquiry book on his. On that office that we used to wait in. And I always looked at this yellow inquiry book, and I loved it because it had, like, all these, like, really important and embarrassing moments of celebrity. So I thought it was so intriguing. And he was like, take it. And I took it. I still have, until today, even Though my little sister drew all over it. But, yeah, I still have it. Yeah, she was, like, 9 years old.
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Interviewer/Guide
I mean, we're now, what, decades later, and the files are finally coming out. Your stories are finally coming out. And we're here in the reading room. And these are drawings of Maria Frank, the first survivor to come forward in 1996. Seeing these images today, how does that make you feel?
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Andrea Sterling
I think it's a combination of many feelings because she's illustrating her experiences, which is similar to a lot of our experiences. Hers is very intense because there are more personalities comparing it with mine, in a way. Personally, I think it's amazing the way in so many ways that there's evidence of the corruption of the, you know, these powerful men through art, through files, through media. So I think it's amazing. Adds up to everything that is going on. It gives you a better context of what those that specific survivor was feeling. And I think it's impressive.
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Interviewer/Guide
How hard was it to come forward with your story, knowing what the media and the government did to Maria all these years?
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Marina Lacerda
See, I didn't know anything. When I came out in 2025, I was completely clueless of everything. When the FBI came to me in 2008, I was like, I never want to see Jeffrey. And then when they came back again in 2018, I was like, oh, my God, this cannot be real. So when everything was over in 2019, when Jeffrey killed himself, I was like, oh, my God, I am so traumatized from, like, the FBI and just, you know, I just don't want anything. So I really didn't know anything. The reason why I came forward was Brad and Brittany had spoke. They, first of all, I hadn't met.
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Interviewer/Guide
And Brad and Brittany, for those who
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Marina Lacerda
don't know, lawyers, yes, they are lawyers. And they are also, like, the best humans that I've met so far, even though there are lawyers. So, you know, when I met them, they were really trying. I think they were trying or, you know, wanted to. To meet me from 2008. And we just. I don't know what happened. We didn't meet. So when we met in 2025, I went to Virginia GF's memorial when she, you know, first passed away. And I went away, and then when I came back, Brittany was like, you know, we're going to the capital. I think it would be great for you to break your silence. And I was like, oh, so embarrassed. Like, I don't want to talk about this. Not knowing that many survivors, Virginia Griffe was, you know, well, learned that Virginia Griff was fighting all along, but not to the extent where she was going so public. I didn't look into it so much. And when she asked, I was very hesitant about it. I was like, my daughter, you know, it's gonna. It's gonna be so tough. I don't want to talk about it. And she says to me, you know, Marina being this, you know, minor victim, one being, you know, this. This key witness to the 2019 indictment, she goes, it would help. Maybe other women break their silence, and maybe other women will come forward. You know, on this whole. You know, on this whole situation that we're trying to get more girls to come and talk, it would just help out, you know? And I thought about it, and I went back home, and I'm like, oh, my God. Like, Virginia did so much. Oh, my God. I look at my daughter. She's almost the age that I've met Jeffrey Epstein. And I think three days before she went to the Capitol, I was like, can I go? And she's like, you can go. And when I went before I spoke in front of the Capitol, I spoke in front of Congress, some of Congress, not all of them. And that was difficult. That was very difficult.
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Interviewer/Guide
Was a room full of Republicans and Democrats, right?
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Host/Interviewer
Or is it just Democrats?
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Marina Lacerda
It was mainly Democrats. I think there was probably maybe three Republicans, four Republicans there. Speaker of the House was there, which
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Host/Interviewer
I have to say, that was the
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Interviewer/Guide
room where Nancy Mace walked out.
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Marina Lacerda
Yes, correct. And it's. It's so weird because when speaker of the House came and spoke to us along with
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Host/Interviewer
Comer.
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Marina Lacerda
Am I saying it right? Sorry. I feel like I confused both. When he came. When they both came and spoke to us, you know, speaker of the House sat there and was so behind us, he was like, I am with you guys. Like, my daughter is studying to be a lawyer. Like, she said to me, dad, you have to stick up for the Epstein survivors. He was on board with us right there in this little room before we sat in a bigger room to talk about our stories. And this man was the first one to turn their back on us.
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Interviewer/Guide
Right?
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Marina Lacerda
So I think that's very. That's very strange and very weird that right there and then he even used, you know, his daughter as an example, you know, having a daughter and would never want her in that kind of position. So after we spoke in front of that, you know, in that room where Nancy Mays, you know.
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Interviewer/Guide
Yeah.
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Marina Lacerda
Walked out, where Nancy Mace walked out, it was like, okay, now I'm going to speak in front of The Capitol. And it was a little bit easier for me, but it was. It was harder in front of that. In that room, though, I have to
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Interviewer/Guide
say, I want to ask you. I mean, you see all of these notes that we're going to come up to right now, and you don't have the support of many people in Congress right now on the Republican side, unfortunately, but you have the support of what, tens of thousands of people here and across the world. How did. How does. Seeing this wall of notes. Thank you.
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Andrea Sterling
This is one of my favorite parts here. This is, like, my favorite part in here. I think this is one of the most important parts as well. I mean, it's equally as important because there are a lot of victims that are not hurt because their predator is not known, like Epstein. So the way that they can relate and feel heard and feel extreme company is by coming here and writing notes to us. And that, for me, has been like, you know, like, huge. And then there's another part that they didn't necessarily were affected personally. And then they take the time to actually support because they hate injustice, because they see how many of us we are. We are thousands. Like, it's like we are emotionally walking. It's very emotional. For example, I don't know if you want to add that up, but I want to say that yesterday her daughter came here and she wrote a note to her. It was beautiful. It made me crack. Yes.
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Marina Lacerda
Yeah, we do. We know where it is. It's in pink. I think it was. I just. She's so. She's such a teenager, but yet there's, like, that sweet side of her that I wanted out all the time. So when she wrote it to me and, you know, she doesn't present it to me back in the house, but in here, it was like, okay. Like she does. You know, where is it? Right? Yeah.
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Andrea Sterling
Looking for it.
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Marina Lacerda
It's somewhere.
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Andrea Sterling
And also the madness is actually amazing. I love that we believe you here.
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Marina Lacerda
Oh, there it is. Yeah. To my mom. Thank you for making a change. You're so strong, powerful, independent, and so much more. Thank you for trying to change. Change my future so I don't go through what you did. I love your mom. Marina Lacerta from Irene.
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Andrea Sterling
I cried yesterday with that. I cried.
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Marina Lacerda
She's so. She's so. I don't want to say what I said because then she makes fun of me. She's like, stop telling people I said, you're a badass. But she's so naive and so cute. But, you know, I. I love that, you know, And I. And we always want to. You know, we talk about this all the time. Like, we want to reach that young generation and be able to, you know, we don't necessarily have to sit there and tell them our whole story, but we just want to tell them what, you know, what things to look out for. And parents, too. You know, people believe that, you know, kidnapping is gonna happen at Target, at Walmart. It's. That hardly happens now. It happens, you know, through Snapchat, you know, social media. And I think parents are not really aware of that. And all we are trying to do now, yes, we're trying to do so much more, but, like, our main goal is, I think next is really to try to go to schools and speak to the schools and have, you know, some.
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Andrea Sterling
How trafficking seems like trafficking is not. It is. It's not. Some. Some guys that they just throw you in a white van and then lock you up there. Like you're up there and then go to the woods.
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Interviewer/Guide
Well, I guarantee you, I mean, you have thousands of notes here.
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Andrea Sterling
Thousands.
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Marina Lacerda
Yep.
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Interviewer/Guide
Many of them probably have been written by a survivor himself.
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Marina Lacerda
Yes.
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Andrea Sterling
100. Yes.
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Interviewer/Guide
Because there are over a thousand Epstein survivors, many that haven't come out, but there are hundreds of thousands of sexual assault survivors.
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Marina Lacerda
Exactly. Across the world.
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Andrea Sterling
Across the world. And that's what we're trying to fight and give awareness of that this Jeffrey Epstein was just the leak of all
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Marina Lacerda
of this things to open up.
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Andrea Sterling
Exactly. He just showed us. They just show. He just showed us what the world that we didn't. That we couldn't see before, but now we are reaching out and being able. And we have to fix it.
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Marina Lacerda
Because look at this.
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Andrea Sterling
People are upset. So people come here. They don't feel hurt. They don't. You know, this is a way for them to communicate not only with us, but with the world.
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Marina Lacerda
They don't feel judged. You know, I think that's also another thing. We need to start normalizing the embarrassing part, because it's not embarrassing. And I think when we talk to some of the people, they're like, oh, my God, you go into so much deep details, you know, which we didn't go into earlier. But there's alcohol addiction, there's drug addiction. There is so many things we need to normalize that it's okay to talk about that. That is part of trauma. That is part of everything that we've been through. It's nothing embarrassing what we think of that when we talk about all these things, these disgusting, horrific things that we've been through. And where we are today, it's to give the power to the men and women out there. Hey, we know you've been through these, you know, disgusting and really, you know, embarrassing things, but they shape you.
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Andrea Sterling
Yeah, yeah.
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Interviewer/Guide
What do you say to someone who is a survivor and their perpetrator is still alive and they're afraid. They're afraid to come at and speak out?
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Marina Lacerda
Well, I think that we are today fighting and yes, our perpetrator is not alive. I have to say it like that. But my stepfather is still alive, you know, and I'm not scared of him, you know, because I think that we've done something bigger here. And we are speaking, and the more we speak, that's when the perpetrator. Perpetrator is scared.
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Interviewer/Guide
Yeah.
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Marina Lacerda
Not us. Because we are in the open. We are talking about it. And the more we talk about it, I think that. I think the more we hide. I think that's a reason. That's where you should be scared, because you don't want to tell your story. And then the perpetrator feels like he has power. But when you take that power and you talk about what you've been through and you have that courage, that perpetrator, that person is going to immediately get scared because. Not now they're talking about him. That's what we try to work.
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Andrea Sterling
Yeah, that's what we're working on. We want them to feel, you know, uncomfortable, scared of the consequences. That's why we want to add, like, laws where they're really scared that the consequences is going to be a lifetime in jail, a lifetime, like real consequences. So those, I mean, I guess, don't be scared. Yeah, speak.
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Marina Lacerda
And if you feel like, you know, we always say, reach out to one of us. We may not be able to help, but we have some resources that may help. You know, where therapy comes in, lawyers, whatever it is, we can connect people, you know, that we can try to, you know, we can try to connect people that need help. That's. That's what we want to do. We're not licensed therapists. We're not. We're not lawyers. But we do have, you know, some sort of.
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Andrea Sterling
Yeah, I want to say they have more power than they think. Think they have. Like, the, the victims, sometimes they have more power than they think they have. So, like, don't be scared. Exactly.
- [27:47]
Marina Lacerda
So don't be scared.
- [27:48]
Andrea Sterling
Don't believe anything that. That he's saying. Like. Or she don't believe. Whatever the. I just. I have issues saying that word, perpetrator.
- [27:57]
Marina Lacerda
It's okay. You got two Latin women that's like, I didn't graduate high school. Sound like perpetrator. So don't.
- [28:04]
Andrea Sterling
Don't be scared of the perpetrator because you have more power than the perpetrator. And that's what we actually working hard on.
- [28:11]
Interviewer/Guide
I want to show you because this is not just the Jeffrey Epstein reading room, it's the Donald Trump Jeffrey Epstein reading room. And right now, I don't know.
- [28:19]
Host/Interviewer
Did you.
- [28:19]
Interviewer/Guide
Did you see this?
- [28:20]
Andrea Sterling
Yes.
- [28:20]
Marina Lacerda
I love.
- [28:21]
Interviewer/Guide
We love that they were children.
- [28:23]
Marina Lacerda
And who does it get sent to? Huh?
- [28:26]
Interviewer/Guide
You mean. You tell me.
- [28:28]
Marina Lacerda
I mean, you gotta say he wanted his name everywhere, right? We gave him that. This is it. This is him. This is his birthday present. He wants his name everywhere. His name is here. What other better present can we give the President of the United States right now than what we have here? Don't you think this is a great present?
- [28:49]
Interviewer/Guide
I think it is.
- [28:50]
Marina Lacerda
I think I'm surprised he's not here to check out his name on the wall.
- [28:53]
Interviewer/Guide
I mean, he's right around the corner.
- [28:56]
Marina Lacerda
Maybe we should walk over there.
- [28:58]
Shopify Advertiser
Yeah.
- [28:58]
Marina Lacerda
And just invite him. I. I was actually thinking of going to his birthday. You should. Can she say happy kicked out?
- [29:07]
Andrea Sterling
We should send him a birthday. We should send.
- [29:09]
Interviewer/Guide
Send him a postcard.
- [29:09]
Marina Lacerda
Oh, my God.
- [29:10]
Andrea Sterling
Birthday postar.
- [29:11]
Marina Lacerda
Here.
- [29:11]
Interviewer/Guide
Send a birthday post.
- [29:12]
Marina Lacerda
Happy birthday from all the survivors around the world.
- [29:15]
Andrea Sterling
I'm going to show you. I didn't show you the. The art that I made that I thought about. About giving. Showing him. Yeah.
- [29:21]
Marina Lacerda
No.
- [29:24]
Andrea Sterling
Have you ever missed a version of Donald Trump?
- [29:26]
Marina Lacerda
Oh, and it's redacted.
- [29:27]
Interviewer/Guide
Oh, wow.
- [29:28]
Andrea Sterling
I did that one time. Isn't it that amazing? Look, look, you don't have to show it, but just for you, for your own memories.
- [29:35]
Marina Lacerda
Maybe we should redraft. Redact the first name Donald and just leave the last.
- [29:43]
Interviewer/Guide
Or just the first letter.
- [29:44]
Andrea Sterling
D. Exactly. To show the parts of the D and the T. Exactly. Yeah, that would be great.
- [29:50]
Interviewer/Guide
Well, Marina, Andrea, thank you so much.
- [29:51]
Andrea Sterling
Thank you so, so much.
- [29:53]
Host/Interviewer
Thank you for your courage.
- [29:53]
Interviewer/Guide
It really means the world to so many people.
- [29:55]
Host/Interviewer
So thank you.
- [29:56]
Marina Lacerda
Thank you and thank you again. And people like you with your platform that, you know, help us, you know, make our voice stronger. We have to thank you, actually.
- [30:04]
Interviewer/Guide
It's just the beginning.
- [30:06]
Marina Lacerda
It's just the beginning. It's just the beginning. You're right.
- [30:10]
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