Judge Torches DOJ During Epstein Hearing! - The Parnas Perspective

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Epstein, Epstein, Epstein, Epstein. Everything goes back to Epstein. And I do not stop talking about Epstein until the survivors get justice and get accountability. I was in one of the craziest court hearings today in front of Judge Emmett Sullivan in the District of Columbia in the federal courthouse there. I have practiced law in that courthouse as a lawyer. And now I went there to report on a major hearing as a journalist. And while I left the hearing with one thought. This Department of Justice is incompetent. Incompetent. I'm going to give you what actually happened inside the hearing because I have never seen such incompetence in my years of practicing law and now being a journalist. So this hearing concerned Katie Fang's lawsuit against the Department of Justice over the Epstein files. She sued to get the unredacted Epstein files from the Department of Justice. And there was back and forth in terms of court filings. Who knew what. What the DOJ was willing to produce. And it came to a head about a week ago where Judge Sullivan was like, well, get your ass into court. We're going to haul you into court because the DOJ is not complying with my court order. That's essentially what he said. He said, we're going to get the DOJ in court and allow the DOJ to explain itself, to explain away why it's not complying with my court order. And while most of the media has forgotten about Epstein, I have not stopped. Make sure to hit that subscribe button as we're on the road to a million, like, comment, share, get the word out. But essentially, Katie Fang wants to get a number of files unredacted. These include a draft indictment. These include emails and more, and some of the more kind of graphic stuff that the public wants to know about, like, for example, the torture video, email, things like that. So Judge Boasberg has been asking the DOJ for months now to just give over the files or explain why they wouldn't. And while the DOJ's only explanation in the filings were that it's duplicative that some of these files, you don't want to release them, because we've already released files that were duplicative of the ones that Katie Fang wants to get, that's specifically with the FBI 302 notes. And, well, today we get into this courtroom. Judge Emmett Sullivan takes the bench. Katie Fang and her lawyers on one side of the courtroom. The three DOJ lawyers are on the other side. The DOJ lawyer arguing for the Justice Department, his name is. Last name is Block, I believe It's Andrew Block. He graduated law School in 2016. He had been a Stephen Miller disciple, worked in all things Republican politics, America first. I mean, you name it, that's what he did. Okay? And I'm thinking, oh, 2016 grad. That means he graduated. He's been practicing for about 10 years a decade. I'm a 2020 grad personally, so I've been a lawyer for about six years. You would think he knows what he's doing, but it's definitely not. The DOJ's a team by any means. Right? If the DOJ was really worried about this case, they would send Stanley Woodward, the Associate Attorney General, who is on the pleadings. But they didn't do that. They sent Block, okay? I'm thinking he's going to get up there and he's going to provide a good explanation. So Judge Sullivan takes the bench and he calls up Block, and he essentially says, number one, what happened to all of these unredacted files that you were supposed to give me? In these explanations, Block surprised everyone. He brought Judge Sullivan a binder with more documents for him to review in camera behind the scenes. So we don't know what's in that binder. Okay? That knocked out the first issue. And Judge Sullivan kind of was like, we'll have to take a look and I'll let you know what I think about this. Then the second issue comes along, which is Katie Fang wants the underlying notes for FBI 302 interview. They released the 302 interviews, even though many of them were pretty much redacted. But they didn't release the notes. And the Justice Department said they're duplicative. And Judge Sullivan repeatedly goes, well, what do you mean they're duplicative? Okay, even if they're duplicative, how am I supposed to know they're duplicative? You're not giving me the notes, right? You're not. You're not showing me what's underlying. How am I gonna just believe you? I can't just believe. You gotta give me evidence. They wouldn't give him any evidence. It got to the point where this Justice Department attorney was, like, shaking the entire time. I've never seen a lawyer so unprepared for a hearing. And Judge Sullivan threatened to throw him in contempt, hold him in contempt. Says it's not a threat, it's a promise. It's a promise. Here's what else I saw outside the courthouse. Major news right now.
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I'm here outside of the D.C. federal courthouse, where just moments ago, Judge Emmett Sullivan, a federal judge, blasted the Department of Justice for having no answers as to why they fail to properly redact and release information under the Epstein Files Transparency Act. I have been in a lot of hearings myself as a lawyer, watched a lot of hearings both in person and on tv. I have never seen a Department of justice attorney be so unprepared for a hearing, refusing to provide any new information to Judge Sullivan, who was willing to work with the parties, was willing to work with the Department of Justice, and, well, the DOJ was not able to provide many answers and the judge was not happy. We'll ultimately see what Judge Sullivan issues in terms of an order here, but right now, not good for this Department of Justice. As always, spread the word, follow for more.
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Not good for this Department of Justice. Indeed. And, well, the hearing ended with Judge Sullivan threatening to throw the Department of Justice in contempt, saying that it's a promise. If they don't follow his order, we'll ultimately see what happens next. But as you may have seen recently, Caroline Levitt left and, well, one of her parting words was that we're just moving on from the Epstein files. And my friend Jessica Tarlov made clear we're not doing that.
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The man a feminist dream, Donald Trump. So having two little kids, I can't even imagine mine are even older than that in my job, way less demanding. It is very hard to do. The stints for White House press secretaries have been getting shorter and shorter. So she's at 19 months. Karine Jean Pierre did two and a half, but then Jen Psaki was less than that. So I don't think there's anything suspicious going. I was surprised that he didn't want to have her stay and maybe she just said no, but through the midterms, because I think that she has certainly proven herself to him at somewhat as someone who does his bidding very well. You know, she dodges, she attacks, she obfuscates. I think that the glowing reports about how well that she did when a lot of it was just demeaning the press and taking reasonable questions. Yeah, I know you're excited, Charlie, but then making it out like people are insane is not what you want in a press secretary. And I did want to review some of the Mistruths lies, whatever it was from the podium. US spending $50 million on condoms for Gaza. The Epstein files are a democratic hoax. There are no war plans sent in the signal. Chat with Jeffrey Goldberg. Kilmar Brego Garcia was a gang member then producing no evidence of it. America is becoming more affordable under Trump and that the federal aid freeze won't affect any individuals. That's just a small little list. But if only they were act.
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A
And while Caroline Levitt's parting message, like I said, was we're moving on from
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Epstein, and that remains true. And this call, if it did happen, corroborates exactly what President Trump has said from the beginning. And I'm sure many of you, when you read that, that alleged FBI report, probably thought to yourself, wow, this really cracks our narrative that we've been trying to push about this president for many years. So we're moving on from that Reagan.
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A
We're not moving on from that. And that's what the judge made clear today. We are not moving back. We are not moving on from the Epstein files. And I will tell you this, I promise you, I am never going to stop fighting for these survivors. I am never going to stop fighting for these survivors because it's so important that we get all the facts out, that we get justice, we get accountability. And that's why I was proud to stand with my friend Katie Fang in the courtroom today in the courthouse. As always, like comment, Share, subscribe, subscribe to support my work and I'll have another update for you very soon. Hey folks, thanks so much for watching. Feel free to add this podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or anywhere you watch for the latest breaking news and daily hits throughout the day. Make sure to follow subscribe. See you soon for more.

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The Parnas Perspective – Episode Summary
Episode Title: Judge Torches DOJ During Epstein Hearing!
Date: August 13, 2026
Host: Aaron Parnas

Episode Overview

In this episode of The Parnas Perspective, Aaron Parnas reports from the front lines of a major court hearing regarding the Department of Justice's (DOJ) handling of the Jeffrey Epstein files. Focusing on Katie Fang’s lawsuit to obtain unredacted files under public scrutiny, Aaron delivers an insider's recap of a dramatic hearing before Judge Emmett Sullivan. The episode shines a spotlight on governmental transparency, legal accountability, and the ongoing fight for Epstein survivors’ justice.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Hearing: DOJ Under Fire

Background:
The case centers on journalist and attorney Katie Fang’s lawsuit against the DOJ, seeking full disclosure of files related to Epstein, including draft indictments, emails, and particularly contentious items like the so-called "torture video" email. (00:40)
Persistent Advocacy:
Aaron emphasizes his commitment to the Epstein story:
"I do not stop talking about Epstein until the survivors get justice and get accountability." (00:01)
Judicial Frustration:
Judge Emmett Sullivan expressed intense dissatisfaction with the DOJ’s repeated delays and evasions, particularly regarding redacted vs. unredacted documents. Having issued a court order, Sullivan demanded an in-person explanation after months of non-compliance. (01:10)
Notable Quote:
"This Department of Justice is incompetent. Incompetent. ...I have never seen such incompetence in my years of practicing law." – Aaron Parnas (00:24)

2. Inside the Courtroom: Ill-Prepared DOJ Defense

DOJ Representation:
The DOJ sent Andrew Block, a relatively junior attorney, rather than a senior figure like Associate Attorney General Stanley Woodward – signaling a lack of prioritization for the case. (01:55)
Binder Surprise:
Block presented a new binder of documents for in-camera review, catching both the judge and opposing counsel off guard. (02:23)
Key Exchange:
Judge Sullivan pressed Block on the DOJ’s claim that withheld notes were “duplicative” of already-released FBI 302 interviews. Sullivan challenged,
“Even if they're duplicative, how am I supposed to know they're duplicative? You're not giving me the notes...How am I gonna just believe you?” (02:50)
Escalation:
As Block struggled to offer substantive answers, visibly nervous, Judge Sullivan threatened to hold him in contempt, stating:
“It's not a threat, it's a promise.” (03:36)
Memorable Moment:
Aaron describes Block as “shaking the entire time” – an extraordinary moment of courtroom tension and the judge’s severity towards the DOJ’s performance. (03:29)

3. Broader Context and Public Messaging

Media and Political Response:
Aaron notes the media's waning interest in Epstein, contrasting it with activists’ and journalists’ continued pursuit.
"While most of the media has forgotten about Epstein, I have not stopped." (01:25)
Press and Politician Commentary:
The episode includes reactions to Caroline Levitt’s resignation and comments downplaying the relevance of continued Epstein disclosures, which Aaron strongly rebuffs. (05:07, 07:09)
Collaborators and Victims’ Voices:
Aaron stands with Katie Fang and Epstein survivors, promising ongoing coverage and advocacy:
"I promise you, I am never going to stop fighting for these survivors... it's so important that we get all the facts out, that we get justice, we get accountability." (07:34)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Aaron Parnas on DOJ competence:
"This Department of Justice is incompetent. Incompetent." (00:24)
Judge Sullivan’s warning:
"It's not a threat, it's a promise [to hold in contempt]." (03:36)
On media commitment:
"While most of the media has forgotten about Epstein, I have not stopped." (01:25)
Aaron’s advocacy:
"I am never going to stop fighting for these survivors...we get justice, we get accountability." (07:34)

Important Timestamps

[00:00] – Aaron’s introduction, hearing context, commitment to survivors
[01:25] – Summary of the lawsuit and media neglect
[01:55] – Identification of DOJ counsel and court setup
[02:23] – Block presents binder; surprise revelations
[02:50] – Crucial exchange on “duplicative” documents
[03:29] – Judge Sullivan’s escalating frustration
[03:36] – Threat of contempt: “It's not a threat, it's a promise”
[04:16] – Aaron’s live courthouse report, reiteration of DOJ’s poor showing
[05:33] – Press secretary and public messaging segment
[07:34] – Closing vows, promise to survivors and listeners

Episode Takeaways

The episode captures an explosive court hearing in which a federal judge openly castigates the DOJ for its mishandling, opacity, and apparent unpreparedness related to the Epstein files.
Aaron Parnas spotlights the need for continued vigilance, media focus, and legal advocacy to ensure transparency and justice for Epstein’s survivors.
The episode is a call to action: Aaron affirms his relentless pursuit of truth and accountability, urging listeners to stay informed, engaged, and vocal.

For those seeking in-depth legal analysis, firsthand reporting, and persistent advocacy on major stories like the Epstein files, this episode of The Parnas Perspective delivers critical updates and powerful commentary directly from the heart of the courtroom.

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[00:00]
A
Epstein, Epstein, Epstein, Epstein. Everything goes back to Epstein. And I do not stop talking about Epstein until the survivors get justice and get accountability. I was in one of the craziest court hearings today in front of Judge Emmett Sullivan in the District of Columbia in the federal courthouse there. I have practiced law in that courthouse as a lawyer. And now I went there to report on a major hearing as a journalist. And while I left the hearing with one thought. This Department of Justice is incompetent. Incompetent. I'm going to give you what actually happened inside the hearing because I have never seen such incompetence in my years of practicing law and now being a journalist. So this hearing concerned Katie Fang's lawsuit against the Department of Justice over the Epstein files. She sued to get the unredacted Epstein files from the Department of Justice. And there was back and forth in terms of court filings. Who knew what. What the DOJ was willing to produce. And it came to a head about a week ago where Judge Sullivan was like, well, get your ass into court. We're going to haul you into court because the DOJ is not complying with my court order. That's essentially what he said. He said, we're going to get the DOJ in court and allow the DOJ to explain itself, to explain away why it's not complying with my court order. And while most of the media has forgotten about Epstein, I have not stopped. Make sure to hit that subscribe button as we're on the road to a million, like, comment, share, get the word out. But essentially, Katie Fang wants to get a number of files unredacted. These include a draft indictment. These include emails and more, and some of the more kind of graphic stuff that the public wants to know about, like, for example, the torture video, email, things like that. So Judge Boasberg has been asking the DOJ for months now to just give over the files or explain why they wouldn't. And while the DOJ's only explanation in the filings were that it's duplicative that some of these files, you don't want to release them, because we've already released files that were duplicative of the ones that Katie Fang wants to get, that's specifically with the FBI 302 notes. And, well, today we get into this courtroom. Judge Emmett Sullivan takes the bench. Katie Fang and her lawyers on one side of the courtroom. The three DOJ lawyers are on the other side. The DOJ lawyer arguing for the Justice Department, his name is. Last name is Block, I believe It's Andrew Block. He graduated law School in 2016. He had been a Stephen Miller disciple, worked in all things Republican politics, America first. I mean, you name it, that's what he did. Okay? And I'm thinking, oh, 2016 grad. That means he graduated. He's been practicing for about 10 years a decade. I'm a 2020 grad personally, so I've been a lawyer for about six years. You would think he knows what he's doing, but it's definitely not. The DOJ's a team by any means. Right? If the DOJ was really worried about this case, they would send Stanley Woodward, the Associate Attorney General, who is on the pleadings. But they didn't do that. They sent Block, okay? I'm thinking he's going to get up there and he's going to provide a good explanation. So Judge Sullivan takes the bench and he calls up Block, and he essentially says, number one, what happened to all of these unredacted files that you were supposed to give me? In these explanations, Block surprised everyone. He brought Judge Sullivan a binder with more documents for him to review in camera behind the scenes. So we don't know what's in that binder. Okay? That knocked out the first issue. And Judge Sullivan kind of was like, we'll have to take a look and I'll let you know what I think about this. Then the second issue comes along, which is Katie Fang wants the underlying notes for FBI 302 interview. They released the 302 interviews, even though many of them were pretty much redacted. But they didn't release the notes. And the Justice Department said they're duplicative. And Judge Sullivan repeatedly goes, well, what do you mean they're duplicative? Okay, even if they're duplicative, how am I supposed to know they're duplicative? You're not giving me the notes, right? You're not. You're not showing me what's underlying. How am I gonna just believe you? I can't just believe. You gotta give me evidence. They wouldn't give him any evidence. It got to the point where this Justice Department attorney was, like, shaking the entire time. I've never seen a lawyer so unprepared for a hearing. And Judge Sullivan threatened to throw him in contempt, hold him in contempt. Says it's not a threat, it's a promise. It's a promise. Here's what else I saw outside the courthouse. Major news right now.
[04:17]
B
I'm here outside of the D.C. federal courthouse, where just moments ago, Judge Emmett Sullivan, a federal judge, blasted the Department of Justice for having no answers as to why they fail to properly redact and release information under the Epstein Files Transparency Act. I have been in a lot of hearings myself as a lawyer, watched a lot of hearings both in person and on tv. I have never seen a Department of justice attorney be so unprepared for a hearing, refusing to provide any new information to Judge Sullivan, who was willing to work with the parties, was willing to work with the Department of Justice, and, well, the DOJ was not able to provide many answers and the judge was not happy. We'll ultimately see what Judge Sullivan issues in terms of an order here, but right now, not good for this Department of Justice. As always, spread the word, follow for more.
[05:07]
A
Not good for this Department of Justice. Indeed. And, well, the hearing ended with Judge Sullivan threatening to throw the Department of Justice in contempt, saying that it's a promise. If they don't follow his order, we'll ultimately see what happens next. But as you may have seen recently, Caroline Levitt left and, well, one of her parting words was that we're just moving on from the Epstein files. And my friend Jessica Tarlov made clear we're not doing that.
[05:33]
C
The man a feminist dream, Donald Trump. So having two little kids, I can't even imagine mine are even older than that in my job, way less demanding. It is very hard to do. The stints for White House press secretaries have been getting shorter and shorter. So she's at 19 months. Karine Jean Pierre did two and a half, but then Jen Psaki was less than that. So I don't think there's anything suspicious going. I was surprised that he didn't want to have her stay and maybe she just said no, but through the midterms, because I think that she has certainly proven herself to him at somewhat as someone who does his bidding very well. You know, she dodges, she attacks, she obfuscates. I think that the glowing reports about how well that she did when a lot of it was just demeaning the press and taking reasonable questions. Yeah, I know you're excited, Charlie, but then making it out like people are insane is not what you want in a press secretary. And I did want to review some of the Mistruths lies, whatever it was from the podium. US spending $50 million on condoms for Gaza. The Epstein files are a democratic hoax. There are no war plans sent in the signal. Chat with Jeffrey Goldberg. Kilmar Brego Garcia was a gang member then producing no evidence of it. America is becoming more affordable under Trump and that the federal aid freeze won't affect any individuals. That's just a small little list. But if only they were act.
[07:09]
A
And while Caroline Levitt's parting message, like I said, was we're moving on from
[07:12]
D
Epstein, and that remains true. And this call, if it did happen, corroborates exactly what President Trump has said from the beginning. And I'm sure many of you, when you read that, that alleged FBI report, probably thought to yourself, wow, this really cracks our narrative that we've been trying to push about this president for many years. So we're moving on from that Reagan.
[07:35]
A
We're not moving on from that. And that's what the judge made clear today. We are not moving back. We are not moving on from the Epstein files. And I will tell you this, I promise you, I am never going to stop fighting for these survivors. I am never going to stop fighting for these survivors because it's so important that we get all the facts out, that we get justice, we get accountability. And that's why I was proud to stand with my friend Katie Fang in the courtroom today in the courthouse. As always, like comment, Share, subscribe, subscribe to support my work and I'll have another update for you very soon. Hey folks, thanks so much for watching. Feel free to add this podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or anywhere you watch for the latest breaking news and daily hits throughout the day. Make sure to follow subscribe. See you soon for more.