PMS 2.0 1250 - MNF Recap, CFP Predictions With Heather Dinich, Chiefs DT Tershawn Wharton, Aaron Rodgers, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Pat McAfee Show – Episode #1250: PMS 2.0 - MNF Recap, CFP Predictions With Heather Dinich, Chiefs DT Tershawn Wharton, Aaron Rodgers, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Release Date: November 26, 2024

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1. Aaron Rodgers’ Interview and Future with the New York Jets

Overview: Pat McAfee opens the episode by discussing the upcoming interview with Aaron Rodgers, who joins the show in the second hour. Rodgers recently returned to his alma mater, UC Berkeley, reconnecting with former teammates such as DeShawn Jackson and Marshawn Lynch. Amidst rumors about his potential departure from the Jets, Rodgers clarifies his stance on remaining with the team or exploring other opportunities.

Notable Discussion Points:

• Alma Mater Reunion: Rodgers reflects on the significance of revisiting UC Berkeley and reuniting with old teammates.
• Relationship with Woody Johnson: There’s a nuanced discussion about Rodgers’ interactions with Jets owner Woody Johnson, including a recent dinner they shared.
• Future in the NFL: Rodgers addresses rumors regarding his desire to play beyond the 2024 season but not with the Jets, emphasizing his strong ties and gratitude toward the organization.

Notable Quotes:

• Aaron Rodgers [00:13]: "Football."
• Aaron Rodgers [79:30]: "As far as my future goes, I haven't told anybody in my life that I want to play in 2025 and not on the Jets. So that's 100% false."

2. College Football Playoff Predictions with Heather Dinich

Overview: Heather Dinich joins Pat McAfee to analyze the implications of last weekend’s games on the College Football Playoff (CFP) rankings. They delve into the potential inclusion of three-loss SEC teams and the rising strength of Big Ten teams like Indiana and Penn State.

Notable Discussion Points:

• Three-Loss SEC Teams: Dinich discusses the possibility of a three-loss SEC team making it into the CFP, highlighting Alabama’s recent performance and Indiana’s unexpected strength.
• Strength of Schedule vs. Win-Loss Record: The conversation centers on how the CFP selection committee weighs strength of schedule against the number of wins and losses.
• Conference Championships: Anticipation of how conference championship outcomes will influence CFP rankings, especially with Texas A&M’s performance potentially affecting SEC standings.

Notable Quotes:

• Heather Dinich [22:08]: "They're in."
• Heather Dinich [25:05]: "I think they jumped like 50 spots in strength of schedule just because they played Ohio State."

3. Heroic Act by Chiefs’ DT Tershawn Wharton

Overview: Tershawn Wharton, defensive tackle for the Kansas City Chiefs, shares an inspiring story about saving a young fan’s life during a game. The episode highlights Wharton’s quick action when a child fell from a balcony, preventing a potential tragedy.

Notable Discussion Points:

• The Incident: Wharton describes catching the child mid-fall and ensuring his safety until authorities arrived.
• Aftermath and Gratitude: Wharton expresses gratitude for being in the right place at the right time and discusses the impact of the incident on him personally.
• Connection with the Fan: Both Pat McAfee and other hosts express their hope that Wharton and the young fan can connect further, possibly at future games.

Notable Quotes:

• Pat McAfee [06:07]: "Trashin Wharton, he'll be joining us at 12:50 Eastern in the middle of his meetings."
• Tershawn Wharton [07:34]: "Life is good."

4. Ravens vs. Chargers Game Recap

Overview: The show provides an in-depth analysis of the Baltimore Ravens' recent victory over the Los Angeles Chargers. Emphasis is placed on Lamar Jackson's performance, Derrick Henry's impactful running, and the overall strategic execution by the Ravens.

Notable Discussion Points:

• Lamar Jackson’s Leadership: Jackson’s ability to avoid interceptions and evade sacks significantly contributed to the Ravens' success.
• Derrick Henry’s Role: Henry’s dominance on the ground provided a safety net for the Ravens, ensuring control of the game’s tempo.
• Defensive Prowess: The Ravens’ defense is highlighted for its ability to clamp down on the Chargers’ offense, particularly in the latter half of the game.

Notable Quotes:

• Pat McAfee [14:38]: "Lamar Jackson, 94th percentile in interception avoidance. Okay. Not throwing picks, that's for sure."
• AJ Hawk [11:07]: "Hell yeah." (Expressing enthusiasm for the Ravens' performance)

5. Additional Topics and Discussions

Overview: Throughout the episode, Pat McAfee engages in various other sports-related discussions, including NFL general topics, COVID-19 protocols, and media rumors surrounding player transactions. Additionally, there are lighthearted segments involving interactions among hosts and humorous takes on unrelated topics like movies and commercials.

Notable Discussion Points:

• NFL GM and Coaching Changes: Conversations about the firing of general managers during bye weeks and the implications for team dynamics.
• Media Relations: Rodgers addresses the spread of misinformation and rumors through media outlets, emphasizing the importance of credible sources.
• Fun Interactions: The hosts share amusing moments, including birthday celebrations and playful banter about Thanksgiving traditions.

Notable Quotes:

• Pat McAfee [21:05]: "We made it. We all did."
• Pat McAfee [131:46]: "Do I know you to one of the refs? He did in that moment."

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Conclusion

Episode #1250 of The Pat McAfee Show offers a comprehensive look into pressing NFL issues, college football playoff dynamics, and heartwarming heroics from the Chiefs' Tershawn Wharton. Aaron Rodgers provides clarity on his future with the Jets amidst swirling rumors, while Heather Dinich offers expert insights into the CFP selections. The Ravens' strategic victory underscores their championship potential, and the episode concludes with a blend of sports analysis and entertaining host interactions.

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Transcript

[Pat McAfee]

Hello beautiful people. Happy Thanksgiving week and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome. On this Aaron Rodgers. Tuesday, November 26, 2024 this program starts now.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Football.

[Pat McAfee]

It's wonderful. We have news all around the football world. And in the second hour, about an hour from right now, Aaron Rodgers will join us fresh off of bye week where he went back to his alma mater, Cow over there in the great city of Berkeley, California that I got a chance to visit and they had a reunion of such he was around DeShawn Jackson and I believe Marshawn lynch was there and I assume a bunch of dudes that I have never heard of that he got to see. I can't wait to catch up with him about that. And then while he was doing all this stuff, you know, there was just a barrage of reports about Aaron Rodgers might go to ours. This guy might get cut. He wants to play in 2025, but not for the New York Jets. Him and Woody Johnson have a strange relationship. Nah, him and Woody Johnson had dinner in the city a couple weeks ago. So many things. Just one thing after can't wait to ask him about it, you know, can't wait to chat with him. And obviously he wasn't on last week whenever a general manager was fired because they were in the bye week and they were wrapping up practice and heading out. So there's a lot to catch up on and I'll be excited to see his thoughts on what the rest of this season looks like for the New York jets and for himself and also what the future of his life looks like. I today should be a good one. Heather Denich will be joining us in about 19 minutes or so. She, she obviously massive college football voice last week whenever she came on and she talked about a three loss SEC team getting in over a one loss Big Ten school potentially. That's kind of what she chatted about last week. It had massive reaction.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean you're talking about everybody on earth responded to that, especially in the Big Ten. And now after what happened in the SEC this past weekend and what happened in the Big Ten with the Ohio State Indiana game, I'll be excited to see where Heather's at. Heather is rockstar in this college football world dialed in and the only reason why I obviously I've seen her on TV and I got massive respect for the work that she does for college ball and everything. Never got to work together. Every time she comes on our show, all the clips.

[Darius Butler]

Oh yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Wildfire. Hey Heather. Heather moves the needle whenever Heather's Talking college ball people have opinions and she sits in a pocket and she's excited to chit chat about the future of the college football season that's happening. And I can't wait either because tonight, 7pm Eastern, the college Football Playoff reveal show, it's a ranking show right now until it becomes a bracket show after the conference champions have been decided because remember this bracket is so dependent dependent upon the conference champions because conference champions all get a first round buy. Now do you want a first round buy? Do you want a first round buy? Do you want three weeks off instead of two weeks off with a home game potentially? And do you want to maybe erode like the 5 seed will have through however it goes, the lowest seeded teams potentially to get all the way to the semifinal. Now that doesn't mean the team can't upset another team. We saw a lot of that throughout the not only college football season, but more specifically this past weekend. Which is why college ball is the greatest. Which is why having a 13 person committee have to figure it out. Good luck to you. Can't wait. See where you stand this week. Now a couple times they've contradicted themselves I think with the decisions that they've made. But how could you not? Whenever teams showcase a new side of themselves, whenever a team shows themselves to be incredible and then they show up and stink, I'm assuming that human instinct is going to be like, well actually this team has been a fraud all along when other people in the room might think to themselves they just had a bad day. So then 13 people have to figure that out. They're obviously always going to contradict each other. Every time strength of schedule is brought up. I think there's going to be like football judgment that's going to be brought up by a couple people too. Think about you sitting around, 12 of your friends say you and your friends get along very well. Same hospital board. Sure. Oh yeah. Same neighborhood, same schools, same teams, same everything. You and 12 of your friends, 13 total, have to sit down and decide. 12 spots for anything. Let's say best cereal.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah. Best food, you name it.

[Pat McAfee]

College football teams, NFL teams, there's going to be a lot of disagreements. So how they get to a final answer whenever this really matters.

[Ty Schmidt]

Good luck.

[Pat McAfee]

Good luck. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Have fun.

[Pat McAfee]

Good luck. Thank God we are not there. I guess there is something. Ladies and gentlemen, nine year NFL vet, Florida Panthers fan who's the reigning defending undisputed Stanley cup champion Florida Panthers, Darius J. Butler is joining us. D. But you got a text from somebody last Week. Right. Whenever we were talking about this.

[Boston Connor]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

I guess media goes and does like a mock college football ranking thing, right?

[Boston Connor]

Yep. So you see exactly how the committee gets to those different teams. They bring some, you know, sport people in there so that, you know, obviously we can get out and talk about it.

[Pat McAfee]

I respect that they do that. But it's not about the process. It's about the people. So like whenever there's media people in there, how they think it's. That could be. I mean it could be similar. Could get lucky that everybody in there thinks the same way as athletic directors from Michigan and athletic directors from the acc. And I think there's a former player in there, I think there's a couple coaches in there, them all agreeing on something. I have no idea how they do it, but I can't wait to judge the shit out of them whenever I think they get it wrong.

[Boston Connor]

I wish we could just see that. Just, just let us in the room. Let us in the war room. Go through or have commercial breaks. I'm sure you can sell that for millions and millions of dollars. So I wish that would be absolutely entertaining.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. But just like Hard knocks off season, I don't think they were too much.

[Darius Butler]

I don't want people knowing how.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't think one of the ideas. You're telling me the ACC is going to have two teams in there and then all of a sudden on the other side. Yeah, yeah. They got a couple good. Is. Yes. You see that powerful with all the. And then somebody else comes in and goes Oklahoma just beat Alabama. Okay. I don't want to. I don't want Auburn just beat Texas A and M. Auburn stinks. That's what. No, I don't think this Right. I'm just telling you committee, this is a hypothetical situation in this entire thing. Auburn stinks. I mean they're not even good. They beat Texas A and M. Now Texas A and M just because they beat Texas. Who hasn't beat anybody actually only lost to the one team that they played. They get in the SEC championship. They have two losses. Now they're in the SEC championship. Taking on who Georgia, who has what two losses in there. So now one three loss team is going to get in. They just lost to Auburn. This team just lost. What do we even. How. That's the whole.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Shebang. That is the whole.

[Boston Connor]

Now you lost. Does that make the Big Ten look weaker now? Because you just got old State and Oregon up there. But then everybody. I mean Penn State too. But whoa, there's a lot of questions.

[Pat McAfee]

There's a lot of questions. And heather denich is going to give us all of her answers.

[Heather Dinich]

Can't wait.

[Pat McAfee]

Thankful she's doing that. Thankful she's doing that. And then terseon Wharton, who's a d tackle for the Kansas city chief chiefs, five years from missouri state. He saved a kid's life this weekend. And we caught wind of this obviously on the Internet yesterday. Shout out to t. Russ bolton fan, chief fan to Sean wharton. Catches him, catches that kid that just fell off that balcony. Head down, head down. That kid's going head straight down there. Now, obviously, security guy loses his mind after the kid falls. So, like, you know, obviously, let's maybe tighten it up a little bit. I have no idea how there isn't a railing there all the way across. Anyways, who knows when the stadium was built? Who knows what rules are, but yeah. Boom. Grabs him, catches him. Trashon Wharton, he'll be joining us at 1250 Eastern in the middle of his meetings. Obviously, they play on Friday, but we reached out and said, hey, is there any way we can get a word from a guy that just saved a life potentially after a game? And also got a glove and this kid. Shout out to this kid, hey, he was going for it. He was born. He was going for it. Now, hopefully he'll learn a lesson from this entire thing. But him coming back up, too, with the glove going, thank you. All right, I'll see you guys. Kid's a dog. I assume that kid's gonna go and do great things. Can't be obviously throwing himself over balconies or ledges going forward.

[Boston Connor]

Got a glove.

[Pat McAfee]

Got a glove. Victory got caught from trashawn warden.

[Boston Connor]

Greatest day of his life.

[Pat McAfee]

We'll chit chat with ter sean in about 40 minutes or so. I can't wait to hear his thought. What was he thinking? Because, I mean, fast act. There's another security guy down there.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And to Sean reaches around and does that entire thing.

[Boston Connor]

It's classic dad reaction. Dad, uncle, just.

[Darius Butler]

Yep, gotcha.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, I will say I caught an arm. Foot.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, yeah, Anything.

[Pat McAfee]

I will. Foot under mackenzie's head whenever she bobbles has been like, kick saving a beauty. Like, oh, yeah. I really. I feel like a superhuman whenever it happens. I'm like, pool foot under there. Her back of her head hits your foot. It's like, did anybody.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Camera anywhere.

[Pat McAfee]

And then I look at mackenzie, I'm like, you know. You know what just happened? Pick her back up. She's at the. She is very confident. But then every once In a while, loses focus. So then she's drunk baby.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

But drunk toddler pretty much walking around. And she'll even do like a lean on one leg and then bring that back to center. And I'm like, you know what? I like what you're doing right there, Kenz. And she'll fall, she'll wipe out, and then she's right back up.

[Boston Connor]

It's all about how you react. The parent. Okay. You know, get up. Just pop right back up. Oh, yeah. Then it's, oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Every once in a while.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

You blink, she's gonna be flying around the house.

[Pat McAfee]

It's really hard not to do the full for some of these moments.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Whenever she starts falling and then the foot, the reach of the foot to get her. It's like while she's falling, though, I don't want to overreact because I don't want her to panic either. But I am. I am certainly panicking.

[Boston Connor]

Soften it.

[Pat McAfee]

She's so fast too. She's starting to move. That's kind of how that's like every morning now. It's just like her footsteps coming down the hall. Just the thing. So cool. Ah, we could talk about that. We don't have to. Ladies and gentlemen, Baltimore Ravens win in the hardball. Harbaugh versus Harbaugh. Jim Harbaugh said, I lay my life down for my brother, but not a football game. He's gonna have to come and get it. John Harbaugh says the same exact thing about Jim. You're talking about a family that has had a lot of success and is still very, very tight with each other. I think they're still learning from each other, obviously, hiring from each other. If you're good enough for one, you can obviously come work for us. We run ship the same exact way Jack Harbaugh taught us. The exact same. The fact that the Baltimore Ravens go in there and cover with 70. What?

[Ty Schmidt]

70%.

[Pat McAfee]

70% of the money on them. The entire Hammer Ban podcast picked them. The entire Monday Night Football Countdown crew picked the Ravens. I was on the Ravens because AJ Hawk and I had a one game disparity this weekend. He picked the Chargers, so I was going to pick against him regardless. But once I started watching the game, I'm like, hold the phone. I got forced into picking the Ravens. Chargers go early, take a big lead, and then it was just like a matter of time. Now that one, they took their time. I. I think they should have maybe challenged that particular one. I don't know if Mark Andrews had his Right foot down, I think with the ball bobbling. But then Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry, this offense starts doing their thing and the over hits. It was a high scoring affair. But what happened was the Baltimore Ravens showcased once again that they can win. And that's a high school Lamar Jackson move. We all saw number seven from Boynton Beach. This Internet clip took over the entire. And then I think I saw this clip for a couple years and didn't know it was Lamar. And then somebody said, hey, this was Lamar by the way. And it's like, oh, of course that was Lamar Jackson. And then he does it again on Monday Night Football. So almost felt like it was going to happen as he's running there in my mind and Lamar is still doing ridiculous shit. So nonetheless, congrats to the Baltimore Ravens.

[AJ Hawk]

Hell yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

On getting a massive win over the Chargers. D. But you watched that game. What's your big takeaway?

[Boston Connor]

The Ravens are the Ravens. Bill said it on the show yesterday, like it could be any team in the NFL got multiple touchdowns if they stay out of their own way. And obviously got off to a slow start. I think up until his two minute drive before the half, Lamar had like two completions. Obviously you saw Derrick Henry would get rolling and I was kind of concerned, honestly, once the Chargers jumped out because that's kind of been their M.O. they jump out, they come out great. 10 points, get a two score lead and then they just kind of start folding. You definitely saw, they definitely need a big time separator out at wideout. You just need that guy and Justin Herbert, he can do, you know, he can do so much, but you need that guy, Quentin Johnson with three drops.

[Pat McAfee]

Late in the fourth.

[Boston Connor]

Tough, tough night.

[Pat McAfee]

He had tough night on the Internet too. And that's what happened. Remember, he'd been doing some great things for the Chargers this season thus far. I don't think a lot of people have seen that. The only things people see is with eight minutes to go in the fourth quarter, you have three drops and it's a one score game. We need you to make those type of plays. I don't think I've lost faith in the Chargers. No. Or everything that they're building. Anything that they're building over there. But I do think it was nice for the Ravens to say, hey, remember here, okay, we were one punch out away at the half yard line last year to go into the super bowl instead of the Kansas City Chiefs. Now Lamar Jackson against Pittsburgh Steelers, which we just witnessed, you know, he hasn't, he hasn't voted well, against Lamar Jackson against the NFC though he's voted very well against. In teams that he doesn't get to play much, he's played very well against. So this particular team, if you think about the playoffs and everything going late, it's like maybe the Baltimore Ravens, this is the year. And he can't help but overreact that way on this particular Tuesday. After watching him do that last night in the Harbaugh Bowl.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, that was kind of the big takeaway. It's like, okay, the Ravens are very legit for one, and they have a chance to go and do the entire thing because their defense, of course, is great. You know, debug mentioned they got out the Chargers to, you know, a 10 point lead and then they kind of settled in. No, Roquan Smith still didn't, you know, still made it happen without him. And then even after that last drive, like they did score 23 points, but really after that 10 nothing lead, they shut it down. And you know, that touchdown right there was kind of the entire thing for me is, you know, Derrick Henry goes out of the game. Derrick Henry obviously went off, especially in the second half. He really got rolling. And then it's almost like, okay, hey, Justice Hill is it. We can kind of relax a little bit. Maybe Lamar runs the ball, but if Justice Hill is in, we don't have to worry about the run game. Then, boom, he rips off a 60 yard touchdown run. So it's one of those things where they can beat you in so many different ways. Likely didn't have a massive game. He's someone that could easily go off at any time. Mark Andrews obviously had a touchdown later on. The ref called it no touchdown. Clearly a touchdown. It's very odd. I don't know if these are the same exact refs from the Sunday Night Football game as well, where they had a couple suspect calls. But it did feel, it did feel as though the solidifying like, okay, the Ravens can win in prime time, they can win when they're losing, and they are definitely a contender in the entire thing.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And I think if you think about what you need in December and January to win, obviously make a place for the quarterback, Lamar Jackson, who is an anomaly, has been since he started playing football. I mean, he's just so fast, so quick, boom, he's out of there. And as professional athletes, you know, the.

[Boston Connor]

Whole thing a record pace right now.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Unbelievable.

[Boston Connor]

Seven yards a play.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. So Hembo sent over a bunch of stats about this Baltimore Ravens team. One of them though was about the running backs. Yeah. Okay, let's stay with this one. So right Now, Lamar Jackson, 94th percentile in interception avoidance. Okay. Not throwing picks, that's for sure.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. I don't know what 94 easier way to say it. He's not throwing picks. 88th percentile in sack avoidance. He's not taking sacks. Okay. That is a mature quarterback, says Hembo.

[Boston Connor]

Amen.

[Pat McAfee]

Not throwing pick, not taking sacks, not having negative plays. That feels like it's smart decision. Then Ravens are four, six on third and short yesterday. 77% on the season, highest in the NFL. That's the Derrick Henry effect. Let's go to the leading rushers right now in the NFL. So obviously it's all about Saquon. You know, Saquon in the full game he has 1,392 yards and then just in second halves he has 920 yards. He'd be the fourth leading rusher in the NFL. But look who's number two right there. Derrick Henry is the second leading rusher in the NFL right now at this age, at this time with this team. Now we had the reaction immediately because we've seen the Tennessee Titans, we've had to play against Tennessee Titans, we've watched Derrick Henry play football. As soon as he goes to Baltimore, we go. That shouldn't be fair.

[AJ Hawk]

What the hell.

[Pat McAfee]

That should not be the matchup. And then he obviously had to hear that he was washed and that he couldn't do anymore and that running backs were being devalued and everything like that. He goes for 140 last night. But you're talking about a safety valve for this Ravens team. You know, whenever they get in the game against the Chiefs last year and they forget to run the ball against the Chiefs in the playoffs, you got Derek Henry on the team. You're not going to forget to run the ball like Derrick Henry is going to get the rock. You would assume now at the beginning of the year, Coach Harbaugh said we're not going to give him the ball 30, 25, 30 times a game. Then he realized Derrick Henry can get the ball 25, 30 times and we can be a great spot. That is the difference maker, I think for this Ravens team versus years past. Patrick Ricard can obviously move people. I love when J.K. dobbins was able to play healthy there a few years back. But having Derrick Henry be the style of running back that he is and how good of a running back that he is is a perfect fit for this Ravens team, but also might be the answer to their playoff needs or woes back in the day.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, that's something. Now we know Ravens have been a physical ball club throughout Harbaugh's tenure, but they've never had a, back to your point, as dynamic as him. And all those fourth downs, they went for like fourth and one. You almost, it was almost like a touch base. Exactly. It was as inevitable as that play. And he just like Saquono second half step Derek Henry, throughout his career he's weighed on you. He kind of changed that Tennessee Titans franchise. Like they became that Bruiser because of 2:2. And what he's been able to do back there, I think might have been Mina Kimes in the lead up show to Monday Night Football talking about Saquon going to Philly. Almost been like a KD joining the Warriors. And you can say the same thing with Derrick Henry, you know, jumping in that backfield with Lamar and in terms.

[Darius Butler]

Of their playoff woes and like what they need, like if they get up 10, 13 points on someone and they're really worried about their secondary, like, hey, we, we don't want to get bombed on. Like they can run a ball control offense with him and just grind people out. Like, I don't think we're going to have the same situation we had in the AFC championship where they just abandoned the run because they have Derek Henry now. Like, you're not going to abandon the run if you have Derek Henry.

[Ty Schmidt]

Well, and they should because that's been. Their issue is holding onto leads in fourth quarter and they should do that. But I believe they are undefeated when he gets 20 carries this season. Which, yeah, you know, they, they obviously didn't last week with, with Steelers. They didn't early in the season. So yeah, if you just give them 20 carries, it's almost like they're going to, they're going to win the, win the game. And then you put Lamar on a fast track last night. Like Lamar on turf. Like again, the Ravens reminded people, yeah, we lost last week. Who cares? Like that was a division game. It's hard to win divisions games. As we've seen this last weekend, the Ravens are still good.

[Boston Connor]

Still the Ravens.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes, the Ravens are. I think this is, we're realizing, you know, the teams who are separating. I mean Bill Belichick said yesterday, like the Giants, obviously Coughlin was about to get fired. They go on a run. The Buccaneers had Tom Brady as their quarterback. It wasn't until the bye week, I think week 11 then had the Atlanta Falcons after the bye week and the only reason why we know that is because I was supposed to be on team.

[Darius Butler]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

I was supposed to be on the team. That's right. I should be super bowl champion.

[AJ Hawk]

Should be, for sure.

[Pat McAfee]

But we did too good at managing.

[Darius Butler]

Covid didn't have the antibodies.

[Pat McAfee]

If I would have had the antibodies, I'm on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers against Atlanta Falcons wouldn't have had to do anything.

[Darius Butler]

No, they beat the shit out of him, I think.

[Pat McAfee]

No, but also, the two guys end up clearing. Yeah, that's right. They end up playing.

[Darius Butler]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

Kicker and punter both test positive for Covid on, like, Monday or something like that. So obviously, Bruce Arians was with the Colts and Clyde Christensen was with the Colts, and a lot of the guys that were down there, aq, I think, was down there, knew that I could kick and punt. But the whole process to get during the COVID era, during the COVID era, you had to be, like, in a hotel for, like, 10 days or something, and then you could be part of the team. They didn't have a kicker and a punter that were in isolation in a hotel for 10 days that they could activate onto the roster. So they literally called me and were like, hey, do you have the COVID antibodies? And I go, I don't know what those are. And they say, if you've had Covid already, then you should have built up the antibodies. And there's a test to be able to prove if you've already had Covid and you have the antibodies. If you have the antibodies, we don't have to put you in a hotel for, what, 10 days or 14 days or whatever. You could potentially. You could be our kicker and punter this week. And now, obviously, they would have to talk to the Colts. There would have to be an entire thing. But since I didn't have an agent. That's an A. Okay conversation that's taking place in there. So remember, I came into the office, I took that antibodies test, and we just sat there for five minutes. That's how long it took. And it's like, am I about to be Tom Brady's teammate here if I have the antibodies or not? Didn't have the antibodies. Never had Covid. And we had been working for months and months and months.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

But we literally were doing the.

[Darius Butler]

Socially.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

We were doing social distancing. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

We were going to Florida, too.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I was doing the nxt.

[Ty Schmidt]

We didn't even talk to each other outside the show. Like, we went into the studio and we talked then but like outside of like in like just wear masks up those.

[Boston Connor]

What a time.

[AJ Hawk]

Coming up people say.

[Darius Butler]

No, we weren't even looking at each other.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yes.

[Darius Butler]

Remember that was the whole like hey, it can go eyeball.

[Pat McAfee]

The eyeball. We were in contacts and they were talking about deliveries coming on cardboard boxes or whatever.

[Darius Butler]

Doused them with cleaner.

[Ty Schmidt]

We had dopers machine, Trent overspray.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we were. We were what was it a necessity? Necessary. I forget what we are ready. Well, some people felt that way. Certainly still do now. Granted. I don't know what the new information coming out. I wonder if we are still fascinating. We'll be excited to see how that whole thing works out. We do, don't we? That's why sports are the greatest. But all those things we had to literally cover and talk about. So I was like, we were right in the middle of all of it.

[Darius Butler]

We had COVID 19 on the line.

[Pat McAfee]

No, we had Covid 18.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Excuse me. Which we had no idea.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, that one might have been a little.

[Pat McAfee]

We had no idea what was coming. Anyways, we made it. We all did.

[Darius Butler]

We did.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh yeah, we made it. We survived it. I'm happy we did that. Speaking of surviving, which college teams survived a chaotic weekend and still are going to be projected to be in the College football playoff bracket? And which college team sealed their fate as teams that aren't going to be dancing in 12 team playoffs? Joining us now to tell us all those answers and more, ladies and gentlemen, college football pundit on espn analyst and expert Heather Dennis.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, Heather, how are you?

[Pat McAfee]

Heather?

[H]

Thank you. How are you guys?

[Pat McAfee]

Fantastic. Thank you for joining us. We chit chatted at the beginning of the show about how every time you come on our show it is, hey, you moved the needle. Heather, we want to thank you. We want to thank you for that legit. You stir a lot of conversations and it helps me out a lot because I get a lot of people's perspective from different places. What have we learned or what do you think we're going to learn from tonight's college football playoff rankings? Do we think strength of schedule is going to matter more? Do we think football judgment is going to matter? Do we think wins, losses? What do you think tonight is going to indicate to the entire college football world, Heather?

[H]

Well, I think it will indicate just how seriously the selection committee is going to take three loss SEC teams. How far is Alabama down in the rankings after losing in brutal fashion to Oklahoma? But at the same time you've got an Indiana team that could be Ranked ahead of them, that doesn't have any wins against any ranked opponents and came up woefully short. And it's only chance this whole season to impress the College Football Playoff selection committee. So that's a combination of I test versus resume and we'll see how they blend that together between the Alabama and Indiana's of it all.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so Alabama and Indiana obviously a focal point for this evening. I think a fascinating thing is you can't project the conference champions obviously. But you even mentioned it in one of your tweets. If Texas A and M beats Texas this upcoming weekend, they're in the conference championship against Georgia. So all of a sudden now the loser of the SEC championship game is definitely going to have three losses. Are they both going to get in? We would assume yes. If you make it to the SEC championship. With how the College Football Playoff committee has put a stress on conference championships like hey, we want you to win conference championships, you'll get a buy. You get obviously a higher seed if you win a championship, even if you don't have it in our tournament. What do you think the thoughts are on that situation brewing? And what if Texas loses to Texas A and M next week? They don't really have any big time wins on their schedule. I love Sark, I love the roster, I love everything like that. But their schedule is going to be at a point where lose to Georgia, lose the Texas A and M and then what? Nothing really else. So what? That game has massive implications I think for precedent for the College Football Playoff, Heather.

[H]

Massive implications. But you know, people are losing their minds about the possibility that a three loss SEC team can get into the College Football Playoff. But just step back for a second. I'm going to give you three very realistic scenarios as to how that can happen. And you mentioned the first. Georgia loses to Texas in the SEC championship game. There are three loss team. I think they're in. Why? Because the selection committee is going to talk around the table and say this team has a regular season win against the SEC champs. That matters in that room. Just like it would if Ohio State and Oregon, assuming they play in the Big Ten Conference championship game and Oregon loses to Ohio State, they say well they're in. They have a win against the Big Ten champs. So there's that. If Texas A and M by some miracle wins the sec, there's a three loss SEC champ that's in there. And the third realistic scenario is Alabama is not completely out of the mix. Which goes back to the first part of our conversation. All it takes is one upset like Notre Dame losing to us. Gasp And Alabama is back in the conversation if they're not already in it tonight.

[Pat McAfee]

Dropping GASP into the line was fantastic there because that would be a big old gas.

[AJ Hawk]

Big time.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean that would be a big gas that was to take place. How about Indiana? Purdue? Obviously we know Indiana is going to take care of Purdue.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[H]

I got you.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, that's scary. That is a scary thing in this state knowing that if Purdue wins this game it does not matter. Nothing else matters. 30 point favorites from the 29, I think. Yeah, 29 and a half or something like that. Purdue fans would be a okay with their second win of the season only being. And then just roll right into basketball season. That's right.

[AJ Hawk]

No doubt.

[Pat McAfee]

And how we get. I mean that is a scary situation for the Indiana Hoosiers fresh off of this. Hopefully they bounce back in a massive way. But that is no, there's no cakewalk depending upon how you look at Purdue. Now let's talk about another conference that could potentially be dancing with a couple partners. Go ahead, Tone.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, Heather, we just talked about the SEC title game and the implications that has. Now what about the ACC title game? Let's. Let's assume. I saw your projected bracket for tonight and SMU in Miami are both in. Let's assume they take care of business this weekend. So they would both probably still be in before going to the ACC title game. In that situation, you can't punish the loser of the ACC title game.

[Pat McAfee]

Right.

[Ty Schmidt]

Between Miami and smu would they still both be in or do you think the loser of the ACC title game could be out?

[H]

As long as those two teams are in the top 10 tonight, which I think they have a good chance to be, I think the chances increase significantly of the ACC runner up continuing to be in. But I will say this. On Saturday, watch the Georgia Georgia Tech game because that's a common opponent with Miami and Miami's losses to Georgia Tech and the committee considers common opponents. If Georgia absolutely steamrolls Georgia Tech somehow, that would give the committee a window to at least separate those teams even further and drop Miami down further. I'm not sure how that could impact that discussion. If Miami were the loser of the ACC championship game does.

[Pat McAfee]

Obviously anytime you provide people with reasons to leave you out, that opens the door for everybody. The SEC was pumped to see what happened in the sec. I assume in the Big Ten of Indiana was very happy to see what happened in the SEC this past weekend. Right. We're all agreement Agreeing on that. Yeah.

[H]

I mean, listen, when that game between Indiana, Ohio State ended, my bracket projection had Indiana out.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, out.

[H]

And then Alabama and Ole Miss lost and I put them back in. And then I'm watching quadruple overtime and I've got the Aggies in if they were to win that game. So, yeah, everything is hanging on and watching these other results and it's amazing how it's all tied together.

[Pat McAfee]

So that quadruple overtime game we're watching on ESPN, that F1 announcement down there in highlighted yellow. Needed it, man. Needed it. Different color, though. I thought there was a flag on every play. I'm watching a play, then I see the yellow in the corner. That was. Hey, they say Jordan Hare is a haunted place. Saban said that. Saban said that at dinner. He was like, we're up seven nothing. Five times. We get to the red zone or a 10 yard line, we don't score a point. Tell me how that happens then. He thinks that a ghost, potentially. I haven't asked him, but I would assume he would say a ghost is the one that batted that ball out of his hands on that two point try. That's basically what he said. We had a block kick, a missed kick. How's that both happen in the same game? I don't know. And then, then interception, turnover. He was like, that place is impossible to play down there. Obviously Alabama, Auburn, different story because of the iron ball or whatever the case. But like, if old buddy can get it going down there in Auburn, I think that is like considered. The goat says, that's place. I don't want to play any football. Mike Elko is going to be saying forever. That's a place I don't want to play football. Why isn't Auburn?

[Aaron Rodgers]

It's a good question.

[Pat McAfee]

Why is it.

[Ty Schmidt]

You know, they always say their boosters are very, very. They got their hands on a lot of things in there.

[AJ Hawk]

They got basketball going.

[Pat McAfee]

They said that at Texas too, for a long time, didn't they? They said that in Texas as well for a long time.

[H]

Auburn. Auburn is a tough place to coach because there's a lot of. A lot of cooks who want to be in the kitchen there for sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. All right. So thank you.

[AJ Hawk]

That stinks.

[Pat McAfee]

All right. Is Tim. Is Tim Apple one of them? Isn't Tim Cook.

[Darius Butler]

He's an alum.

[AJ Hawk]

War Eagle guy.

[Pat McAfee]

He's probably got ideas. Virtual reality.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

All day walking around. Ty has a question for you. Heather.

[Darius Butler]

Heather, based on your projections, we have a couple rematches in terms of big ten teams and SEC teams, but obviously they can't do much because the rankings will be what the rankings are. But do you think the committee is going to try to avoid having two Big Ten teams play each other in the first round and two SEC teams playing each other in the first round so we can get some, like, diverse matchups that we might not otherwise get?

[H]

No, they will not do that. They won't try to avoid any rematches. There will be no receding. And guys, let me. Let me tell you something. Every week I have done this for the past 13 weeks, and every single week, there's not one matchup on here where I'm like, oh, man, I don't want to see that game. I want Indiana and Penn State to settle it on the field. I love that matchup because of these super sized conferences and no divisions. Indiana doesn't play Penn State, they don't play Oregon. So how does that work itself out? And Tennessee would have to go to Georgia again. Listen, I'm all for it. Sign me up.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, okay. I'm happy you are and I appreciate that. But I don't want an extension of playing games from the conference.

[Darius Butler]

Me neither.

[Pat McAfee]

Now, granted, they have to respect their rankings.

[Darius Butler]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

They are how they are. I want to see a Big Ten school go to the sec because all the conversation about the sec, it's different down here. Here. It's different down here. And I want to see an SEC school go to the Big Ten.

[Darius Butler]

I think that should be a stipulation moving forward. The higher ranked SEC team gets the Big Ten. Yeah, exactly. And then the higher ranked Big Ten team, an SEC school, has to go travel up north.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I think that should be. They should make that a rule.

[Boston Connor]

Be sweet for that sec.

[H]

I was, I was thinking about that.

[Pat McAfee]

No, because I've heard. I've heard these SEC places are.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, they want to go up and play in 40 degrees.

[Pat McAfee]

What, about 110,000?

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Raging Cajuns, brothers down there. You know what I mean? That's what they talk about, though.

[Boston Connor]

I mean, that's what's. I mean that's what's going to make this playoff so great because we are going to get some of those matchups.

[Heather Dinich]

I hope that's what we're hoping maybe.

[Pat McAfee]

For sure we are hoping for that. I think that's what I was. Go ahead.

[H]

I was talking to Ryan Day before his game last week and he told me it might snow for last week's game. And I was watching Steelers and Cleveland and that's exactly what I Was thinking, give me that snow in Columbus, Ohio, for first round with.

[Pat McAfee]

With SEC school coming up there, Tennessee going up, so. And, hey, Tennessee even has a little chilly part, right? They got mountains down, so that's all good, but that would settle the whole. Because that is a loud combo, right?

[Boston Connor]

Oh, yeah, we are.

[Pat McAfee]

This is the hardest place.

[Ty Schmidt]

We saw Saban on that set at Ohio State. He was cold. He was cold.

[Pat McAfee]

Cold.

[Boston Connor]

That's what I'm saying.

[Pat McAfee]

I think that's what the north says. You guys might be able to have 115,000 people all drive to one town because it's nice and warm. Come on up here. When we can't drive to the stadium because it's frozen, That's. That's the added weapon.

[AJ Hawk]

Do you worry, though, that teams will then say, like, well, if this wasn't a home game and there wasn't weather like this, then we would have won like George Pickens did after the Steelers lost to the Browns. And then they say, okay, well, then, fine, you're right. We need to go play this at a, you know, indoor stadium. Somewhere close by, maybe.

[Pat McAfee]

Listen, I am punter, kicker, dome, everything. But in the sec, Big Ten conversation, it's always like, this is the hardest place to play. They're not taking into account, like, the elements. It's five degrees up here.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, getting warm. Getting absolutely. Yeah. Everything like that. I think. I think that is the equalizer.

[Boston Connor]

Like the Peach ball game we saw a couple years ago. CJ Stroud gets that Georgia team. Like, Georgia has to go to Ohio State and play that game like it's a different. Complete different ballgame.

[AJ Hawk]

All right, that's. That's what I worry about, though, is that that happens.

[Pat McAfee]

It is a different.

[AJ Hawk]

Different football game. And then the committee says, well, you're right. You know what? We can't do these home games anymore because of that.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, no, that's a part of it.

[AJ Hawk]

That's what I'm.

[Pat McAfee]

That's why you lift all these weights. I agree.

[AJ Hawk]

I agree.

[Pat McAfee]

That's why you run all these weights.

[AJ Hawk]

Think. Think how they think. Maybe 13 people.

[Pat McAfee]

13 coming in. No, hey, listen, I. Man, I can't wait to present that to Coach Saban. Coach Saban, I think what the north would say is, yeah, you guys might have more people in loud. And it's crazy. There's a live tiger there, but we can't have a live tiger up here. You know why?

[Darius Butler]

He'll die a frostbite.

[Pat McAfee]

Dead. He'll be a dead tiger. Okay, let's talk about Cold game. The game this weekend, Ryan Day actually came out on an Ohio State show and he said this about the game against Michigan. We felt what it, like what it's like to not win this game. And it's bad.

[Aaron Rodgers]

It's.

[Pat McAfee]

It's one of the worst things that's.

[Ty Schmidt]

Happened to me in my life, you.

[Pat McAfee]

Know, quite honestly, other than losing my father and a few other things.

[Darius Butler]

Like, it's.

[Pat McAfee]

It's quite honestly for my family the worst thing that's happened.

[Boston Connor]

So we can never have that happen.

[Pat McAfee]

Listen, these Ohio people were fucking insane, okay? I lose Michigan, it has made my life terrible. So, yeah, this is the worst thing since my dad passed. My family and I both. He adds family in there too, because they got experience in the neighborhood, in the community as well as they're going out there. That win over Indiana was huge for Ryan Day at Ohio State and obviously going into Michigan. What are your thoughts on Ryan Day as the coach of Ohio State Buckeyes? Heather?

[H]

Well, I've talked to him multiple times in his office about the pressure that comes with this game. But I mean, he's right. He can't lose, especially this year. Everyone knows this. There's zero reason Michigan has tried every quarterback on its roster and then some not working. The only reason for concern in this game is how good Michigan is up front defensively, I think, and with Ohio State banged up a little bit on the offensive line, how that matchup fares. But the reality is Ohio State is better. This should not be a close game. And you know, Ryan Day knows this. He knows the expectations. And I said this even before going into this season that Michigan was probably a four loss team. And here we are where they have five losses. Now this, I mean, this is redemption mode here for Ryan Day.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, Michigan heard a lot of people strength the schedule because of how they've played this year. You know, like Indiana, Michigan would have been a good win for them, but instead it wasn't. They were able to handle that front, but it was a very, very close game. So you would assume Ohio State would be able to do that. I think it's a 21 point spread, which only adds the pressure to Ryan Day. Yeah, that only adds to the entire conversation. Just like it was 13 and a half with Indiana, you know, 13 and a half. Ryan Day and Ohio State, people were thinking of him like, hey, you guys better win this thing by multiple scores. And they did. And he put a little foot on the gas at the end of that thing. Heather, is that a mindset there from Ryan Day, what do you think that message was to his team?

[H]

Oh, that message was leave no doubt that we're the better team. You know, he came on and he. He said that there was absolutely a mindset. And I'm sure that deep inside he wanted to prove that Indiana was probably not as good as its ranking until it played some more elite competition. So, yes, certainly a mindset. I expect him to bring it into the Michigan game. But what is so amazing to me is that as long as I've been covering college football here at espn, that has. Has been the game. It has been one of the games, if not the game with the biggest impact this weekend on the College Football Playoff. And that is not the case. This is about Ryan Day and the rivalry and all of that. Right. But Texas, Texas A and M is one of the most intriguing playoffs games. And so to be having that conversation and not even like really talking about Michigan is just in a way surreal, given what they were a year ago.

[Pat McAfee]

That's why all their alums said we're coming together to get a quarterback. Yeah. We're not doing this. We aren't doing this for another year. No way in hell. This is not who we are supposed to be. Texas, Texas A and M playoff game. Yeah, that is. So we already got one down there. And I guess they do. I guess they don't like each other. Like a lot of the traditions from both of the schools are to against each other.

[Boston Connor]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

So I didn't know that either at all. I had no idea. And I guess it used to be a great rivalry and then they stopped it. Obviously. You go to the SEC, they're in the Big 12, but I guess like the. The Texas people, I guess in the Texas A M people, I guess they. There's a natural distaste for each other.

[Ty Schmidt]

Us growing up. They always played Thanksgiving night. I believe Big one could be wrong, but. Or maybe the Friday after Thanksgiving is what I remember it.

[Pat McAfee]

They don't like each other. I guess it's gonna be electrifying down there. I hope it's not as humid. Humid as it was.

[Darius Butler]

No way.

[AJ Hawk]

With how terrible it's been up here, you probably wouldn't mind a little. A little heat.

[Pat McAfee]

I'll tell you what. I'm okay. Give me last Friday over how cold I was last Friday.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You know. Yeah, sure.

[Boston Connor]

That over.

[Pat McAfee]

I would take that. Over 100 humidity or whatever. 1 million times out of 1 million times. I didn't get pneumonia. Didn't kill me. I didn't get sick from it. So that's good. The. It drains me. I get headaches. I'm tired. I'm uncomfortable. Obviously, socks get soggy because the sweats all running down there. So now I'm walking in soggy socks, and that's immediately getting outside. So that's. That's four seconds into life. Yeah. And then you gotta do the rest of the day. Can't do it. I don't know how people do it.

[Boston Connor]

That's how to make SEC boys feel about going up north to stop me.

[Pat McAfee]

Bingo. I think it is quite a disadvantage for me to go down there and do the complete opposite. Like when I see you wearing hoodies. And down there in South Florida, whenever we were down.

[AJ Hawk]

That's crazy.

[Pat McAfee]

I was. I was almost sick. I didn't know how you were able to hand. Honestly had no idea.

[Boston Connor]

Get used to it.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't, though. That's the thing. I think I would die if I was to live down there.

[Boston Connor]

You get used to it.

[Pat McAfee]

You shall. Quick. I burn, too. I mean, I'm the color of that jersey, but then.

[Boston Connor]

That's true. But you get used to it. Let your pores breathe. Good for your hair. Good for your skin.

[Pat McAfee]

That's why everybody retires down there. It's so nice. Which, once again, what an advantage the cold is for the Big Ten. Nobody's talking about it.

[Darius Butler]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, Heather, we appreciate the hell out of you. Thank you for joining us before we let you go.

[H]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Massive name in college football.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah. Just brought up Texas. Former national champ Mack Brown. He was relieved of his duty. Saw Pete Thammels, the authorities tweet on that. Want to know why they did it now instead of after the season. And how coveted is that UNC job?

[H]

That is a great question as to why they did it now, especially going into the last game of the season. And I want to say a day after Mack Brown said that he wasn't going to retire. So I don't have the answer to that. How coveted is that job?

[Pat McAfee]

It's. Look, it's.

[H]

It's good, but it's not great. Right?

[Pat McAfee]

Geez. You're at a loss for words right there. You're like, I don't know. It was a gap. I don't want to. You were trying to figure out how to.

[H]

Well, I'm trying to listen. I'm. I'm a nice person.

[Aaron Rodgers]

I don't.

[H]

I don't. I. I. Harsh words. Don't got good.

[Pat McAfee]

Jordan Swag. Got great. Jordan Deal.

[AJ Hawk]

They do cool colors.

[Pat McAfee]

Cool. Great uniform. Unis. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Mascots.

[H]

Cool Listen, we're not talking about basketball here, we're talking about football. And I, I think that when you're trying to compete with the recruiting of the Clemsons and Miami's of the world and you know, as bad as Florida State has been this year, even Florida State, there's a lot of catching up to do, it feels like to write the ship. Can you win there? Absolutely you can. It is a great school, it's a great academic school. But there's just. There's a lot of work to do. Right. So it's not like you're walking into a program that is set to compete at the top of the acc. That, that's my point. This is. There's a. There's a lot of work that has to be done.

[Pat McAfee]

So. And go ahead.

[H]

Well, I was just going to say in, in the era of nil and you're competing against schools like the sec it all of these jobs become more difficult. I can't tell you how many coaches have told me in the ACC we put so much time and effort into these recruits and then somebody else with more money just comes in and sweeps them out.

[Darius Butler]

Come on, come on, get stuff.

[AJ Hawk]

Don't be a fool.

[Pat McAfee]

You wanna, you wanna make double with cheese, extra cheese, emphasis on the cheese. That is a real deal. But what about this ruling that's coming April 8th I believe of 2025 from a judge that is gonna inevitably enact a salary cap? I think it's 22% of the overall net revenue of I think it's stadium everything that takes place. It's going to be about 21 million per school. D1 School 16 is the expected or projected amount of millions that will go towards the football team. That's going to be like a regulated salary cap that all D1 schools are going to have the exact same. Do you think that potentially makes any job enticing that's in D1 if you at least have a little bit of cash to battle with. Or do you think the nil stuff that's going to be outside of it is still going to reign supreme? Probably, probably in these particular converse.

[H]

Yeah. I think until we know exactly what it looks like on paper and who's getting what and most importantly how you enforce this. Right keyword enforce this to me is one of the most interesting things that will help answer all those questions, I'm certainly not going to sit here and pretend to know the answers to it. But I mean you know there even athletic directors that I talk to as of like yesterday are still Trying to figure it out.

[Pat McAfee]

Enforcing it is hilarious to think. Yeah. Did you spend 21 million or 22 million? You tell me.

[Darius Butler]

I remember.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know. I don't remember. You do the audit. So who's going to run through all the books? Oh, my God. We got more problems coming. All right. College football is awesome. We can't thank you enough for joining us, Heather.

[H]

Thanks, guys.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, the hallway's been. Hey. The hallway's been bumping. I don't know, I've seen some. I see some different meals coming down lunchtime. Yeah, I've seen a couple people just kind of moseying, you know, and then noticing. Oh, no. And then walking this way. There's been. There's been quite a little show. A parade over there. Where are you at? Are you up at espn?

[H]

Yeah, I'm at espn, but the green room was crowded, so I moved out here.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, I appreciate you doing that. We got sweet snowboarder on. Yeah. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Who's that? Sean White.

[Pat McAfee]

Is that a Bob Ross painting, too? Down there with those trees, 3D, or is that a picture? That's a picture.

[AJ Hawk]

Looks like he's coming out of the wall.

[Heather Dinich]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah.

[H]

That's no brainer.

[Pat McAfee]

Who is it? Do you know who it is? Is that the Flying Tomato?

[H]

I haven't done my Exit Games homework for the show.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm sorry. Thank you. College football expert. Ladies and gentlemen, Heather Dinnage. I wonder if that's fine. It's got me. Who else would it be? Yeah. How many did he win? All of them. Yeah. Was he skateboarded, too?

[Ty Schmidt]

No.

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe.

[Ty Schmidt]

I think he dabbled later in life but didn't like.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, he won gold medals there, too, I believe. Yeah. I think then he won full time snowboard.

[AJ Hawk]

What a beast.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And then remember, he made his own half pipe up in the mountains. It was a secret mountain. Yeah.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Had people sign NDAs. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

If you're gonna come up and watch what the flying Tomatoes about to pull out, you're gonna have to never talk about it. Taking helicopters in that.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

That's Sean White.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes.

[Boston Connor]

Okay. I feel good about that. Hey, feel good about that.

[Pat McAfee]

X Games.

[Boston Connor]

Feel good about that.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, did you watch any X Games growing up? New.

[Boston Connor]

I know who Sean White is.

[Pat McAfee]

Tony Hawk. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Sal Mascala's dog. The ghost.

[AJ Hawk]

Bob Burnquist.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

No, these guys.

[Pat McAfee]

Rob.

[Darius Butler]

Biker Matt Hoffman.

[Pat McAfee]

Great. Dave.

[Darius Butler]

Mira, mira.

[Boston Connor]

Did he have.

[Pat McAfee]

What?

[Boston Connor]

He had his own bikes. Right.

[AJ Hawk]

How'd he die?

[Darius Butler]

Probably not something we want to get into.

[Pat McAfee]

Recipes. Thank you. X Games. X Games had a hell of a run.

[AJ Hawk]

I didn't know he died.

[Pat McAfee]

Me neither. And I don't want to talk about it. I don't know. I'm going to plead. We did not move on. We watched the X games. Unless he's a bad guy. I don't know if you saw this. The field goal that the Green Bay packers had against Chicago Bears. The block was deemed 100% legal. We didn't really get a chance to talk about that as much. 100% legal. All good. Don't know why everybody isn't doing it but it was reported by I believe Chicago's. I think it was Chicago newspaper report. Maybe Green Bay, whoever the case, the NFL told the Bears that. Yeah. Nothing. Sorry about it. Everything was legal. So double push, double barrel up the gut. If you line up properly and time it up at the right time, I think you could block more kicks. I do believe this is going to make the life of long snappers.

[Boston Connor]

Oh my God.

[Pat McAfee]

Much worse. I don't think it's anywhere near as bad as what long snappers lives used to be like. Long snappers lives used to be just torture. Like actual hey, need you to snap it perfectly. Laces and everything. But then also there's going to be two dudes that are about 300 pounds each average. They'll be lined up on both shoulder. Okay. And good news for you, it's not just them behind them there will be a linebacker on each guy. That's like 240. This is big time. This is back whenever linebackers used to be big. 240, 250. And they're going to, they're going to have their hands on the asses of these detachles and their job is just to bobsled team push through you. So these long snappers have their heads down, neck down. As soon as they snap it. You got 300, then 250 on the backside all pushing on both shoulders and you're just getting demolished every single time. So much so that they, the rules committee actually came together and were like we're staring down an inevitable massive lawsuit with what's going on on this particular play. So they changed the rules. I think they changed them too much. I think is what people probably thought. Just like what happened with this kickoff and everything. So now they're back to. I think you can, but you can't. Can't line up directly over. Can't line up with a tush push. Apparently is. Is kind of the take. But if in the play it happens that you end up on the shoulder and somebody ends up pushing you and you end up getting through. Like, that's a good play. So now at least we know.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Cuz I special teams guy, I don't think anybody really knew. What iteration of the rule are we at? So whenever we're talking about, I asked, I'm like, like, I don't know if Bears fans should be happy about this. I have no idea. Because obviously they tried to make rules in the past that have kind of stopped it. But if. If BA was able to figure out the push. The push, the push, the push, the.

[AJ Hawk]

Big push, he would.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean, he. That's a great design. Then if this is within the rules, which is what special teams coordinators are always trying to do, they're trying to figure out how to just kind of maneuver within the rule book a little bit. And then if they get caught, it's almost like a badge of honor because a rule added because of something that you outsmarted in the special teams world. That's kind of how it is. So like Versace figuring this out. Monkey see, monkey do. Yeah. Copycat league. This is what it's going to be. And then there's been commanders. Block one off the side, too. Coming in from the side, it's like there's been an assault almost on field goals. It's like, I think teams are getting very confident that they can block them. That's a change of. That's a turnover. That's a pick six almost waiting to happen. Guaranteed.

[Ty Schmidt]

The Bears had another one. Blocked, I think.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, Vikings blocked.

[Ty Schmidt]

And I don't know. I can't remember what the technique was or if they tried using the packers technique or whatever. But the Bears, they got blocked again. It was up the middle, similar situation. So already the monkey see, monkey do situation could be happening.

[Darius Butler]

And it was like Basatcha said, like that. That was. That wasn't like a happy accident. Like, that was. The plan was to do exactly what they did. So, like you've talked about with Mitt's dad a bunch, just like scout and, you know, special teams coordinators at large just scouring the rule book to like, be like, okay, yep, that's not in there. Let's go ahead and let's. Let's take advantage of this. So I would assume Versace, you know, was just up all night and he found it and he said, okay, here's it. And then he looked at the film, he said, because we talked about it. He was like, hey, if we don't block a kick tomorrow, like I'm going to be beside himself.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. That's. It's almost like special teams coming. And I know you saw the Raiders. Yeah. AJ Cole had quite a game. He did absolute dimensions. Great fake, absolute dime. Great fake. And then he also pinned team within five. Specialists are having some good years.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Then Turpin, I mean, we showed it yesterday. The Turpin return was asinine.

[Pat McAfee]

He's going to be Pro Bowler returner already. No doubt. Kind of slot that one down as Pro bowl returner. Turpin getting in there, obviously we've seen him at a lesser league. This is phenomenal. Let me run through. Go ahead, real quick. Remember, the hang time of the kick doesn't matter. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

It might be the strategy now. Like, hey, muff it a little. Get those guys closer.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes. And D bot. The only reason why I say that is because nobody's allowed to start moving till balls touched. Right. Or the ball touched the ground. So whatever the case is. So like.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, the height. Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. So the height doesn't. Like shit. Balls are kind of getting rewarded if you're able to hit a squib that lands within the 20 yard line. Like, that's the best kick. Aubrey from Dallas had been doing that all season. I think they just tried to do that there. Turpentine clearly did not scoop it up right the first time. No panic.

[Ty Schmidt]

Didn't matter.

[Pat McAfee]

Why did he not panic? Well, because he can literally just do a dead leg in a four in the middle of a football game.

[Heather Dinich]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Zero to 60.

[Pat McAfee]

It's not a backyard football game. That is. That is a NFL game right there.

[Boston Connor]

I think you mentioned it. I'm not sure if it was you or Bill, but like that bauble kind of just slows the guys down. And all these touchbacks. Now, I know when we were playing like in the meeting room, you almost get like a loaf or a minus if you didn't run through the end zone. Now watching games and like half the guys don't run through the end zone. Yeah. So many touchbacks. So they're running, they're jogging. And now you get a guy like this where it always only takes one guy. I think here was the third guy in. He went in, lost leverage, and boom. Out the gate right there. Boom, boom. 58 out of there.

[Pat McAfee]

That's all you need on kickoff. You just need two people that are next to each other to not be on the same page. And then bang, gone. Which is why the NFL wants to save kickoff returns.

[Boston Connor]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Because any one of them can change the trajectory of a game. How about changing the trajectory of somebody's life? Okay. That happened this weekend after the Kansas City Chiefs beat the Carolina Panthers. We showed the video earlier. A Kansas City Chiefs fan, young man, was looking to get a glove or an autograph, snuck by security, got to the point where there's no rail, somehow falls and is caught by a superstar. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us right now is the man who I believe gave his glove to, but also changed that kid's life forever because I think he was going head down. Ladies and gentlemen, D tackle for the Kansas City Chiefs, Trashan Ward. Yeah. What's up, man? How you doing? Hey, life is good. Congrats on being a two time super bowl champion. Congrats on playing the most amount of plays that you've played in your five year career this season. And congrats on being 10 and one now. We appreciate you taking time out of this. Whenever you see this kid, do you remember what you were thinking? Did you not think, was it just natural reaction? Can you go through this moment for us a little bit here from your side?

[Aaron Rodgers]

Well, I say it was natural reaction.

[Pat McAfee]

Usually when I lead a game, you.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Know, try to throw my gloves in the crowd and I think I heard my name a little bit. And when I heard my name, I.

[Pat McAfee]

Seen him coming down.

[Aaron Rodgers]

It was two security guards right there. I don't think they realized what I was doing because they were looking at us. But I just had to kind of like push him into the stands a little bit to make sure he didn't hit too hard.

[Pat McAfee]

So what was it? It was a one handed grab snag of what? Like his shirt, his shoulder? How did you go about. Honestly, because we don't have the other view, we can't see the other side. It's like, right.

[Aaron Rodgers]

I kind of grabbed him right by the back of his back and kind.

[Pat McAfee]

Of like pushed him into it a little bit.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Pushed him into the stands a little bit more.

[Pat McAfee]

That's awesome. Hey, have you got a chance to meet this kid since this time? I haven't, but I would like to.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Reach out to him, get him out.

[Pat McAfee]

To a game and you know, get it. Be able to reflect with him a little bit more if I could. Hell yeah. That's. I think that's the exact reason why we should do this. Yeah. I hope this happens. I hope this connection takes place. How are you feeling other than obviously catching a child falling from a balcony, which is out of a movie after a game in there? How do you feel over there? It feels like Spag's defense has you guys ready to roll against anybody. Does it feel different than last year? Same as last year. What are your thoughts on that?

[Boston Connor]

I mean, every year is a different team.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, we feel like we could always be better. Feel like we haven't played our complete game on both sides of the ball yet. So, you know, we always working through.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Things and we're ready to continue to.

[Pat McAfee]

Get rolling this Friday. Yeah, you guys are continuing to win. What do you think it is about your team that just makes you guys win these games? Because there's some stat coming out about seven of your last eight playoff games, I think were all one score games. A lot of your wins over this run have been one score games. There's a lot of stats about that. What do you think it is about your particular team that makes you guys win those close games as opposed to teams that don't? I think we fight hard. You know, it's emphasized the be all three phases here. That's offense, defense, and special teams. And you know, we just trying to.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Find a way every week.

[Pat McAfee]

And when those moments call, anybody who numbers call, they go out and achieve. Hell yeah. Well, we appreciate you so much for joining us. Hopefully you and the young man get a chance to hang out at a. A Chiefs game and good luck the rest of the way. We appreciate you, man.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Thank you.

[Pat McAfee]

Hell yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, potential lifesaver. Yeah, true. That was cool.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, incredible.

[Pat McAfee]

That was wild. I hope they do get a chance to meet up. That was kind of the.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, the. The idea behind this was hopefully they get a chance to chitchat. Family potential, I would assume, would want to say. Because we would like to say to the young lad. I mean, that's potentially one of us with our. How we operate, you know, trying to do that thing accidentally fall and it's like, let's learn our lesson from this. Okay, let's definitely learn. Let's be aware of our surroundings a little bit. But also. Kid's a dog. Yeah, he's a dog.

[Boston Connor]

You know, go back to school after a break.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Awesome.

[Boston Connor]

You guys see me? That was a potential just Jay Leno situation.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, yeah, or worse, depending where he's at. So. So hopefully Mr. Wharton and Young blonde lad get a chance to meet up at Chiefs game.

[AJ Hawk]

And for Tapper, let's close those corners because I assume all the cor. I don't know what the strategy is there, but that was almost like a. Commanders. You remember the commanders, they almost killed Jalen Hurts a few years ago. It's like, hey, those corners of the stadium very important especially for these kids.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, especially if it's a tunnel where players are going to be walking. Once again, that's not on. Tepper didn't build that stadium. No, I know. But also, hey, can we it. I don't know if the guardrail helps as much. That little rail that wasn't there. I don't know if it saves the entire situation but I think it would. It would have to help. Yeah, for sure. It would have to help there. I mean how is that. Is there a ladder there? Is there a ladder to get it looks like it is a like on purpose though.

[Darius Butler]

That security guard was ready to just turn around and run up the stairs too if something would happen. That kid. Yeah, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Cuz that's directly on him.

[Ty Schmidt]

Is that the kids first time on a ledge too?

[Pat McAfee]

Well, he was. What do you. He. I think he thought he had good base and then his foot slipped.

[AJ Hawk]

He's excited. The Chiefs just won on a walk off field goal.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, don't lose your moxie, kid. Don't. Now granted we can't do that again. Yeah, but I like him going to get it. You know, I like any kid that's going to go. I mean he was trying to get it. Make an effort a little bit too much. We all learn about that. He's raining in, but let's still go get it. Sure. And also shout out to Tan.

[Boston Connor]

Hell yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

That was a great.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah. Boom.

[Pat McAfee]

Right place, right time. We tried to get another angle from his side so we could only kind of guess what happened down there. Thanks for playing back squash being like.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, what we do.

[Pat McAfee]

It's not a movie.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, it is.

[Pat McAfee]

What is his height and weight? He's detachable for the Chiefs.

[AJ Hawk]

A big son of a gigantic like 280.

[Pat McAfee]

Is that the perfect guy to be walking at that time? Let me just go ahead and. Boom. Let me go ahead and lock it.

[Boston Connor]

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[Pat McAfee]

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[Boston Connor]

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[Heather Dinich]

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[Boston Connor]

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[Pat McAfee]

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[AJ Hawk]

Oh, I'm feeling fantastic. Sacco and the boys of course.

[Pat McAfee]

2 oh it is Coach Sacco.

[AJ Hawk]

Coach Sacco's doing well. We got a big road victory over the Detroit Red Wings this weekend. Easy dub, but still a dub. 2 and oh, undefeated with Sako and of course the Celtics last night with poor Zing is back. I'm very worried about the NBA not meaning a goddamn thing until the NBA finals because of the fact that they are unbeatable. They scored 51 points in the second quarter last night.

[Pat McAfee]

Who'd they lose to though? They lost to somebody, didn't they?

[AJ Hawk]

I can't remember because it was probably a decade ago. Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Golden State.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, we lost Golden State. We lost to the Pacers. That's what you're getting at.

[Pat McAfee]

You lost to the Pacers.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, yeah, that's right.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, don't look now.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Tyrese Halliback. Okay. Halliburton. Awesome. Is all the way back, which is good news. And baby Ty.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, yeah.

[Heather Dinich]

Good work.

[Pat McAfee]

Happy to hear that. Happy to hear that. All right, one half of The Hammer Cowboys AP Tone is here. AP Tone, you took the Ravens last night. So did 70% of the public. How often have we hit on these? Now that a majority of the money is on one particular team, Because I saw a Monday Night Football Countdown show, even including Stephen A. Smith, and he.

[AJ Hawk]

Looked cool, calm, man, ordered everything he had on.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, absolutely. Immediately. You know, and that's the thing with the future. I think we'll be able to watch TV and just point at something like, hey, his glasses look sweet. How do I go about getting those glasses? And then just a link pops up and we'll be like, when's that going to happen?

[Boston Connor]

That would. I would expect Amazon will have that.

[Pat McAfee]

Last night would have been one of those nights. Holy. Holy shit. Holy shit. You know, let's do one of those shoes, too. Obviously phenomenal. He wasn't even on the graphic and he picked the Baltimore Ravens. So it was Swagu, it was Ryan, it was Jason, it was Scott Van Pelt, it was the entire Hammer Don show, and it was me because AJ Took the Chargers and we were one game differential over the weekend. That felt like everybody was on one side and it still hit. Are we doing that a lot this season? And is that how we should think as you.

[Ty Schmidt]

The season started as one of the best seasons for gamblers to remember, and then there was a period where it was the worst season for gamblers. That over a month period. And then the last month, it's been a bit of 50, 50. Like this weekend, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 teams over 60% won, 4 teams lost. So 6 and 4. When the public was on 60% or more of the bets this week.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so we need to know that it doesn't mean anything. No. If everybody's leaning one way. Nope. It used to. It's in the book. It's in the book and it's on the books from this particular season. In the past, that used to be the indicator. Hey, if everybody is thinking this way, it's got to go this way. That's not real anymore. We need to remember that, especially whenever we're betting on hockey. Ladies and gentlemen, a fan of the reigning Stanley cup champions, Florida Panthers. And I have no idea why he's wearing at today. I can't wait to hear. Nine year NFL vet. There's J Bal.

[Boston Connor]

I'm a team player and it's not going so great right now. I don't know what's going on. Maybe Nick could give a little more insight.

[Pat McAfee]

The Panthers got their asses beat last night.

[Boston Connor]

They're struggling mightily four in a row. So this is, this is me playing my part in the team, trying to turn the Tide around.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Hey boys, we need another one.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, you guys suck.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, I would say we suck. Definitely don't suck. We're second, second individual right now. But on the fourth four, four game skit right now hasn't been great. Bob's kind of been in it out of the net, so I'm not sure what's going on there, but we'll turn around.

[Pat McAfee]

Maurice, the Pens are about to turn around. Yeah, any day. Any day.

[Boston Connor]

You know what it is?

[Pat McAfee]

You guys are relegated. Actually, no.

[Boston Connor]

You know, it is because we don't talk about hockey enough anymore. That's what it is.

[AJ Hawk]

It's because they don't have a sacco.

[Pat McAfee]

It's tough to get to three Stanley Cups in a row debut.

[Aaron Rodgers]

It is a. It is a grind.

[Pat McAfee]

Anyways, hockey's awesome. It is currently happening. You should watch it. The Penguins are turning around. They did something good. Sure. You know, I think they do good fighting.

[Boston Connor]

I never see Sid fight.

[Ty Schmidt]

His own fight is 600th, boom, 10th.

[Pat McAfee]

Fight of his career. He's sick of it.

[Boston Connor]

Where the goons?

[Pat McAfee]

We don't have him. That's part of the problem is he's been the goon for the team. Him and Gino, who are his second best player on team. They have been the goons for the team over the last five, seven, ten years. And that's part of the problem. You know, we got the Fenway sports group that I'm sure they're going to do it.

[AJ Hawk]

No, they're not doing that. They're loading up for Juan Soto.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, they're too worried about that.

[AJ Hawk]

Juan Soto's coming up to Boston.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. They need to not let Juan Soto affect what's going on in Pittsburgh. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, Ohio State legend, Ladies and gentlemen, super bowl champion, all time leading tackler for Green Bay Packers, AJ Hawk Hawker. What hockey team are you pulling for this year? Every year it's somebody different with depending upon that goes. Yeah.

[Heather Dinich]

This year the Columbus Blue Jackets back to my squad and they actually just jumped ahead of the Pittsburgh Penguins in the standing. So yeah, doing Blue Jackets, I believe we're nine, nine and one or something. Yeah, we're, you know, it's roller coaster of a season but yeah, we're figuring it out.

[Pat McAfee]

I met Stinger and Colin this weekend. Colin is Stinger's right hand man. I met him at. They're promoting the stadium series going to the Horseshoe. That's going to be. Oh, awesome.

[AJ Hawk]

That's sweet.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know if the two teams that are playing are going to be able to draw the amount of people that they were hoping for. You got the Columbus Blue Jackets playing the Detroit Red Wing. Hell yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

That's a stinker.

[Pat McAfee]

That's going to be all Red Wings fans in that barn.

[AJ Hawk]

That's COOPER Rush, Tommy DeVito, Thanksgiving Day.

[Pat McAfee]

110,000 they were talking about. They're like, you have the ability to hold 110. I'm like, you guys put the Columbus Blue Jackets versus the Detroit Red Wings. Already did it in the big house. Who the Red Wings play when Pavel do. I believe it was the Toronto Maple Leafs back then anyway. So they probably do it so people could travel, you know, so it's one of those games. I love those.

[Heather Dinich]

It's a, it's a spectacle. So even people that aren't hockey fans wouldn't. If you're not a hockey fan, you want to go watch a game in the stadium that doesn't happen.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Even when the teams aren't good, you.

[Pat McAfee]

Go, oh look, we're in the football stadium.

[Darius Butler]

It's cool.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. But it's hot. Yeah. I love the stadium series. Yeah. Just to. I'm not jacked up about this one, you know. But Stinger's gonna do some. I met Stinger's the mascot. I like the way Stinger operates.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I like the way Nick and I went to one good D's from you know, good at it. They better wheel that cannon in there. They got a nice cannon. They launch off the Blue Jackets games. Oh, they better do that. I assume they will. You want to one of these stadiums?

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, we want went to one right before we actually moved to Indy and it was the coldest I've ever been in my entire life. Bundle up. Okay. Because it's January, it's cold outside.

[Pat McAfee]

I like watching them a lot. Yeah, I like watch them a lot because they have like the sky cams on the stadium series and if it is snowing, you know there's a nice added little oh it's like pond hockey back in the day for the lads out here. You know, it's like you get back to it.

[Darius Butler]

There's always an incredible musical guest.

[Aaron Rodgers]

One of the intermissions.

[AJ Hawk]

Bruins Penguins at Subway Park a few. A few years ago was unbelievable.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, Nickelback good. I think Train had a couple good.

[Heather Dinich]

Oh, yeah, they're good. The players usually have like, I always feel bad for them. They have like a three mile walk in their skates to the rink because, like, you know, the ice is not that nothing compared to a football field. So they're in the locker rooms way back and then you see like the trail that they build for these guys to walk in their skates up to the ice.

[Pat McAfee]

Do you guys love the Blue Jackets over there and Columbus?

[Heather Dinich]

They do. Honestly, like people, if you go to a game in person, which I've been to, many like people love it. They really do.

[Pat McAfee]

That barn is always packed. Legitimate, very loyal fan base. Really loud. So they will fill that place up.

[Heather Dinich]

Maybe the stadium.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. That's a lot of seats.

[Boston Connor]

A lot of seats.

[Heather Dinich]

There's been a lot of football fans there as well, I bet.

[Pat McAfee]

For sure. Just an opportunity to go see the horseshoe.

[Darius Butler]

That's right.

[Heather Dinich]

Go get a horseshoe in the winter. Yep. Let's do it.

[Pat McAfee]

Ohio State fans just. Hey, they're opening doors. We need. Yeah, let's go. Please pay tribute to this entire thing. Junior Heather Dennis talking about the College Football Playoff rank. Yeah. And Ryan, she said she talked to Ryan Day before the game. She talked to Ryan Day on a regular basis about the Michigan game. His mindset, his family. But also they feel like, hey, it feels like they got a little edge to him this year. They ended that Indiana game. You know, I. She said that he wanted to prove we're a much better team than this team and wanted to score to indicate because it was just two score game at the time, you know, so that would certainly be a part of the conversation. 31, 15, that's 16, that's two touchdowns. Two two point conversions. It's a two score game. So whenever they get into the. They gave up two special teams touchdowns pretty much with the drop of the snap and then the actual punt return. So that's two scores right there. I mean, you're so Ryan Day thinking of all those things potentially in the moment because he has to, because that is the college football world and landscape that we're in. While also adding on to the fact that he 1000% ran everything that Kurt Cignetti had said about the Ohio State Buckeyes.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

To his team hundreds of times. I bet. If you just think about how he reacted to a fake Lou Holtz interview in a real Lou Holtz situation. Ryan Day sees it all and uses it all. There was Trevion Henderson. We appreciate you, but we are, we are certainly going to run this right down their throats for another touchdown. I think you should feel good as an Ohio State fan. That feels like a different energy than what it has been, right?

[Heather Dinich]

Yeah, it definitely is. I mean now like if you talk about the ultimate trap game, I think they're 21 point favorites against Michigan, which, yeah, it's all the, you know, Michigan can come in and make their whole season by knocking off the Buckeye. So yeah, I think there's a lot of, A lot of juice going into this one.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it's a lot of juice going into the game. You've talked about it obviously over there. I think he's doing, you know, there's a lot of people interested in the game still.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Because the story is Ryan Day, if he loses this one, this is worse than ever. Especially his 21 point favorite. What is the messaging going around Ohio State about this game? Fans feel like they should dominate this Michigan football team, I assume.

[Heather Dinich]

I think that's the, that's what they would hope for. Yeah. Just like going into the Indiana game, I feel like the Ohio State fans wanted to prove a point how good they were and, and wanted to make it look good and I think they did that. And that's probably very similar to how they feel going into this one against Michigan.

[Pat McAfee]

So are we. That was an ice cold. Yeah. Yeah, just immediately so like he was very.

[Heather Dinich]

Yeah, it means, you could tell it means a lot to him. Yeah, definitely means a lot to him.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it definitely did. Indiana, we all assume, still going to be in. Congrats to them on potentially still being in a 12 team playoff for college football after everything that program's been through because of the chaos that took place down the sec. It is a beautiful time to be a college football fan.

[Darius Butler]

You talk about him being under almost more pressure this year though. I think this is the biggest underdog Michigan's ever been to Ohio State since like they've had betting lines the last two biggest times they were seven. Michigan was 17 point dogs and they won both those games outright. So it's like, like, you know, I mean there's all that stuff that's creeping in like, and I'm on top of it.

[Pat McAfee]

Like, oh no.

[Heather Dinich]

I mean, hey, we, I was reminded earlier My junior year they were ranked seven and we were unranked. And they came to Ohio State and we beat him. And it made our whole, you know, we were not a great team. I think we had four losses at the time and we ended up beating them and kind of ruining what they had.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, and that's a big driver. That is a big driver.

[Heather Dinich]

It fueled our whole off season. Yeah, it was great for us.

[Pat McAfee]

Indiana has produced 29 and a half point, 29 and a half point favorites. Like, could you imagine?

[Heather Dinich]

What do you think the message is? What's the message to your team if you're, if you're sick? To Indiana?

[Pat McAfee]

What's sig? Is we gotta bounce back. But your message. Ryan Walter, I think is the head coach of Purdue. He's been there for two years. They're one in 10 or whatever it is right now. It's like, hey, we win this one, we all got another year.

[AJ Hawk]

Might as well win undefeated.

[Pat McAfee]

We all, we all got another year. You know, like that is, is college ball as a whole. We're lucky to be a part of it. Speaking of lucky to be a part of something. Every Tuesday for like the last five football seasons, we've had a chance to chit chat with a man who's going to be a first ballot hall of Famer, A man who's going to be considered to be in the pantheon of football players. Whenever they say, wow, who are the greatest of all time whenever it comes to playing the sport of football. He's obviously won four MVPs. He's a super bowl champion. Current quarterback of the New York Jets. From Cal, ladies and gentlemen, Aaron Rodgers. Good hat, brother. Hey, we saw some photos floating around the Internet. How was your weekend back in Berkeley? Obviously I've got a chance to experience that city. Wonderful energy, wonderful vibes at that place. Football time. I got a chance to experience how was it to be back around the boys and back in Berkeley, brother.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Yeah, it was a blast, man. It was, it was so much fun. Like just in that picture, I mean, you going way too fast in these pictures, but there's some guys I hadn't seen in a long time, guys that really meant a lot to me. Great teammates. It was just, man, just such a great, great weekend. There was something special. That team had the special sauce, you know, that love for each other. We loved hanging out together. We spent a lot of time off the field together. It was pre nil. So college football was a lot different back then. We were all riding around on scooters. We had Damn scooter gang that would drive up and down the hills in Berkeley from time to time. And, you know, we had a lot of fun, but, man, there's so many great memories and stories that were brought up there. Jeff MacArthur in that picture, who is such an incredible receiver. Great dude, had a lot of fun combos with him. Steve Levy was over my right shoulder there. Basically put the whole damn thing together with Foxy there at Cal. And just so many guys spent a lot of time working on this to honor not just the team, but especially Coach Tedford. And yeah, I was saying, I think there were two things that really went into. We had like 90 guys come back. Like 90 out of what, 100. A little over 100 come back for one team, his.04 team. And it was really, I think, due to the work that Steve and Foxy and everybody at Cal put in. But also when the first thing that Steve said, and Steve is a huge reason for Steve leaving. My buddy, who I saw a UFO with in Jersey.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Product. Product of. Product of Don Bosco Jersey. Also married to a Jersey girl.

[Pat McAfee]

Classic.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Had to get all. Had to get all that. And I think, yep, okay, I got all that in. Yep, yep. But it was Coach Tedford. You know, everybody loved Coach Tedford and so much respect and appreciation for what he did for all of our careers. So when Steve called number one, everybody picked up because everybody loves Steve. And when the first thing he said was, hey, we're doing something to honor Coach Ted in 2004, boom. I mean, you got 90 guys that show up from all over the world. Really. David Loney showed up from Australia. Guys came from the east coast and South. Marshawn was, you know, showed up. He's doing some movie shoot somewhere.

[Pat McAfee]

New Mexico, New Mexico. He's a New Mexico.

[Aaron Rodgers]

New Mexico movie. So he's not in Mexico. I thought he was in Mexico.

[Pat McAfee]

Not old Mexico. New Mexico, New Mexico.

[Aaron Rodgers]

He's in New Mexico.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Aaron Rodgers]

He's a big time. He's a big time actor now. Yeah. You know, I think he's like one.

[Pat McAfee]

Of the leads of that movie.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah. Netflix movie.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I think he is. Mar's one of the most special people to ever exist.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

We can never lose Mar. And we need to remember that, too. Maron walks into a room. I think Snoop has a similar effect. I don't know how many people throughout history. Maron walks into a room. Any room. Everybody just mood lifted.

[Aaron Rodgers]

He's a big. He's a big. He's a big pat. Fan. He's a big AJ fan, not a big BC fan.

[Pat McAfee]

I loved him in Westworld. Let's talk about you taking that trip back. 90 teammates is obviously phenomenal. And shout out to Steve in Foxy for piecing that thing together. But.

[Aaron Rodgers]

And so many other people. Andrew McGraw was amazing with it and of course. And yeah, everybody, everybody.

[Pat McAfee]

That's a part of it. Thank you all so much over there. You did a great job. Great job, great job bringing 90 people back. Especially with how it's. That's way out there, you know, for a lot of people. Not that everybody's in the area, but congratulations on a magical weekend now for you in this time of your football life. Everything that's kind of happening, you know, chaos seemingly everywhere around the Jets. Was it nice to get back to college almost in chit chat and reminisce? I don't want to say like, remember what's great about ball, but like was that a part of this weekend and did you feel any type of way coming out of it?

[Aaron Rodgers]

Yeah, I feel, I felt like it was a really fun opportunity to reconnect with. With some guys. And there was so many cool moments from the weekend. There was one moment where the four of us who lived together at the dorms, all four junior cause guys got to kind of drop in and have a conversation. Ryan Riddle, Garrett Cross, Francis Blimeza. And just talk about some of the silly things used to happen at the Dorms back in 2003. That was a cool moment. There was, you know, some fun conversations with various guys that I played with offensive linemen. And obviously Dave is a wild man, Marshawn the wild man, those guys, you know. But there's just so many fun moments of seeing a guy and totally remember him right away and the, and, and being almost surprised by what the first memory is, you know, oh, I remember you were the guy that, you know, you were the guy that, you know, that pulled this prank on me. Or hey, remember when we, you know, we're doing this, you know, doing the Scooter gang thing. Or hey, remember Liborita that one night, hey, remember the party at the Fiji house, whatever it might be, you know, the. It was just so many fun memories with these guys. And this reminds you, as beautiful as this game is, and it's given so much to all of us and we've been a lot to it. The thing that really lasts longer than any of it, other than maybe some of the injuries, is the guys, is the relationships, is the moments like that where the friendships and Being able to pick back up on the inside jokes and the funny things you used to say and the moments that made everything. During the weekend, there was very few moments where guys were talking about, hey, remember the stats on this game? Remember the score on this game? Nobody was saying that. It was all about, you know, hey, remember the locker room pranks? Hey, remember this thing that happened? Hey, remember that crazy practice in Tahoe? And we were playing Air Force the first week, and Teddy made us go up to that school and practice, and he ran our asses for 30 minutes at the end, and we're all exhausted, and then we went to a water park in Sacramento. All the way back, you know, like, just like that, you know, just those fun memories. That's really what matters, you know, so it's the relationships. And obviously, when you have success, it's really special, and it bonds you even more. But that team had a special sauce. We all just love and believe in each other and wanted to play for each other. You don't want to be the guy to let the guy next to you down, you know, you want to be the guy who you could count on all the time. And, you know, we had a number of guys play a long time in league. Lorenzo Alexander, L.P. lasor played a number of years. Matt Giordano played a number of years. But it was a bunch of, like, just tough dudes who've been through a really tough time. At Cal, when they were 1 in 10, Coach Tepper came in, brought in a lot of us junior college guys, hit on a lot of them. J.J. arrington, Garrett Cross, Ryan Riddle, Francis. I mentioned, you know, a lot of guys who changed kind of the culture of that team, and we had a lot of fun together. So it's good to catch up with those guys.

[Pat McAfee]

Hell, yeah. It sounds like an amazing weekend. Happy you got to experience that. Because, like, I think that is the big thing that people talk about whenever they leave the game. Everybody talks about, I missed the locker room, I missed the boys, I missed the moments. Now we'll transition from that to this particular aspect of football conversation. While you were doing your bye week, boy, there was a lot of chatter about you, brother. Okay, just won't let you know that. And I assume you were checked out, because that's kind of how you go about operating, and then you get updated on some shit, and then there's, whoa, I didn't know that was happening. So here is, basically, we think, the first report that kind of started a bunch of reports. Diana Rossini, who works for the Athletic, which is owned by the New York Times, reported that at this point, after conversations with sources with the team and around the league, my understanding is that Rogers still wants to play in 2025, just not for the New York Jets. And then that laid out a bunch of different reports. Strained relationships. You want to. They're going to cut you. You're going to get like, literally. I think it all just kind of went pretty great. What landing spots. And then there's. He would stink on there. It. It was like a thousand different reports. So on that particular report, I think you can kind of say whatever the hell you want to say about that. But what are your thoughts on the future and any of this bear any credence? And how much did you hear during the battle week?

[Aaron Rodgers]

Yeah, it's all true.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, there we go. Boom. He didn't go to dinner with Woody Johnson in the city. He doesn't blah the whole thing. But 2025, have you given any solid answers? Go ahead. Yeah, I'm sorry.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Yeah, we start wherever you want to start. Listen, I don't talk to that person, so I don't. You know, there's obviously people that I guess she. She talks with. With. I don't understand what the motivation would be or what you think you're getting out of that, but when it comes to me, I can. I can tell you again, you know, my circle is really small. I'm not talking to people who are talking to people like that. So. So this is, like, at best, it's a third game of telephone with me, and I don't have, you know, I don't have a relationship with. With reporters who are going to break stories like this. As far as my future goes, I haven't told anybody in my life that I want to play in 2025 and not on the jets. So that's 100% false. I actually said the opposite. You know, I said that I'm going to wait and see what happens with. At the end of the season and if they want me back and what happens with Brick and what happens with the offensive staff and obviously the GM at the time. And, you know, then they just fired Joe. There's a lot of things out of my control when it comes to that, but I. I've really enjoyed my time in New York. I mean, obviously we haven't had success that we've all wanted to have, but, you know, I've made some great friendships on the team. I've enjoyed living in Jersey. I've enjoyed time in the city. I've enjoyed getting to know the fans, and I came here to win here, so I'm not jumping off ship, you know, like, oh, I definitely want to play, and not in New York. Like, I don't even know if I want to play yet, but New York would be my first option.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so let's talk about what you just said there. You don't even know if you want to play yet, because then there was also reports that you're playing through an injury right now, and you're refusing to get scans because you want them to say that you can't play, and then you're going to maybe be put on IR or they maybe were going to cut you. Whenever you say you don't even know if you want to play, is that because of mentally, physically? What is kind of the thought behind that? And are you refusing to get scans? You know, how injured are you right now? I think that is information that people should know whenever they're watching you potentially play, you know?

[Aaron Rodgers]

Well, I feel great right now. I mean, I had the week off. I felt really good last week. You know, last game we played against the Colts felt, you know, as good as I felt in a long time. I will not willingly go on IR without an injury when it comes to scans. You know, first of all, played 20 years. I know my body better than anybody. Second of all, I got a great relationship with. With Zuff over there and the doctors on staff, and we had a lot of great conversations where they, you know, diagnosed what I was dealing with. And, you know, I told them how I was feeling, and we talked about the possibilities of plan and rehab and what it would take, and there was no mandate ever. You gotta get this scan. And then I was like, I ain't getting a scan. You know, it was. It was. Listen, how do you feel? I told him I know my body well. What do you, you know, see in your diagnosis? Okay. What are the risks of playing? What are the likelihood of playing? What kind of treatment do I got to do to get back? And that was that. You know, there wasn't any weirdness around us. Normal conversations, like MRIs are used a lot of times to figure out what's going on if you're not quite sure. I have knee pain. Okay. I need to get MRI to see what is going on. Is it bone, bruises, cartilage has some perforations in it, or is there a ligament or something? And when it comes to, you know, especially the hamstring, I don't know what else they were talking about, you know, I met with. I met with the guys, I let them do an examination, I told them what I was feeling, and we had great communication through the whole thing.

[Pat McAfee]

Your hoodie's hitting the speaker thing on there. So there is a little bit of. In between some of the words that you're saying because you're old school.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Oh, I hate that, man. That's terrible.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, that's one of the downfalls of the old school one. That's one of the down, down for us.

[Boston Connor]

You know, there's a lot of upside protecting the brain.

[Aaron Rodgers]

All right, let's take it off, man.

[Pat McAfee]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We're not gonna be.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, no, he can't hear.

[Heather Dinich]

Brain.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. I thought you were gonna take the headphones off. Let's not do that. Hair looks good, by the way. Hair looks sweet. You can't hear us. Oh, great. Sweet. Saturn.

[AJ Hawk]

Those rings.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, you're excited. Oh, look at the sky, brother. What do we got?

[Aaron Rodgers]

Oh, we got Saturn here. We got the hell.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. We still got everything you said. It was just a couple different times. Don't worry about that. We heard everything.

[Aaron Rodgers]

I don't want anybody taking any more out of context. Make sure we hear everything that's said moving forward.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, Last thing for me before AJ and the boys have questions, obviously for you, about everything going on in your world. Whenever you say you don't even know if you want to play next year. What. What does that mean? What does that mean, like, for you? You just.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Well, I've been. I've been. I feel like I've been kind of year to year and obviously last year getting hurt. My whole focus was trying to get back to the end of the season and then getting back for the season again. You know, when you're 40, going on 41, you, you know, you're obviously at the end of your career. So there's a lot of things, you know, obviously if it's New York, they have to, you know, want me to be here. And then the new, you know, new gm, new staff all have to want me to be with the jets. And then body wise, I gotta see how I'm feeling and if I want to sign up to go back to the grind and all that, but, you know, it feels good. I'm healthy now. It's not as much fun when you're dealing with the kind of rehab time all the time. So if I can stay healthy the rest of the year and play the way I want to play, and everybody, you know, feels good about bringing me back Then, you know, then there's a decision there, and if not, then there's all the other. The. All the other options. You know, I think I'm, at this point, I'm, you know, open to everything and attached to nothing. So it's a good place to be.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, who knows what the future holds? It's true. We'll wait until then to figure out what it is, but I appreciate you clearing some air. Like, I am not, you know, there's a lot of things that have to unfold before any decision is made. What year is this for you in the NFL?

[Aaron Rodgers]

20.

[Pat McAfee]

Congrats, man.

[AJ Hawk]

Hell, yeah. Two decades.

[Pat McAfee]

It's really good. It's really good. Hell yeah. Hell, yeah. It's a lot. Shout out to Saturn, too. How many rings?

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, so many, man.

[Ty Schmidt]

Uncountable.

[AJ Hawk]

So many.

[Pat McAfee]

It's crazy.

[AJ Hawk]

They're still trying to figure.

[Pat McAfee]

Go ahead, A.J.

[Heather Dinich]

Hey, when you. You said, obviously you don't know if you don't you. If you want to play next year, how does it feel compared to maybe years in the past, last year, excluding that? Because we know tear to the Achilles early, and it's always, hey, we're going to do whatever it takes to come back. But how do you feel now compared to maybe the last two, three, four years when you kind of were going year to year and figuring it out?

[Aaron Rodgers]

I don't think I was really going year to year. Like, definitely not in 20 and 21. I mean, 22. I. I knew my time in Green Bay was probably at an end and they wanted to move on, so that kind of allowed me to think about if I still wanted to play. And then when I got traded in New York, I definitely wanted to give at least two good years. Now there's obviously opinions about whether or not I've given any good years, but, yeah, obviously last year was an injury, and this year hasn't gone as well as anybody would have liked, but I have, you know, really enjoyed my time. These have been two of the most important years of my life and two of the best years of my life. As much as it's been frustrating and difficult, it's been, you know, two really beautiful years of, you know, the ups and downs and the in betweens. But again, there's a lot that goes into it. You got to feel, you know, body wise, like you want to give it a go, health wise, mental, you know, all the things that go into it. And then you want to be in a spot where you feel like you can win and. And you're, you're valued so a lot can change. Again, I'm, again, I'm open to whatever comes and not attached to anything. But playing in New York would obviously be, be my first choice if I want to play.

[Pat McAfee]

Had a baby. Hey, I like hearing that cuz I read anywhere but there.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, bingo.

[Ty Schmidt]

What they said.

[Pat McAfee]

I didn't like that one.

[Aaron Rodgers]

They came back great. We had a great group of guys. I mean they just traded for Devonte and it's a good core of, of older players, great young players, you know, coming in the second contract stuff. So I don't know, I mean it's. And then you went in New York, you can do something special. So. Okay, definitely be open.

[Pat McAfee]

So let's talk about that. So when you get there, Coach Salah is the coach, Joe Douglas is the general manager now Coach Salah is no longer the coach and Joe Douglas no longer general manager. When that news happens, are you blindsided by it? What is the. Because obviously everybody on the Internet says you, you ordered a hit, you fired on Joe Douglas. Obviously that's what's not everybody. A portion of the Internet is always going to believe that. Remember you didn't, you were immunized. Remember the whole thing. Yeah, that happened. So that's how they're going to feel forever in this entire conversation. But when Joe Douglas gets fired last week, what is the first thought and did you know or did anybody really know what was coming? How does that kind of come together from your perspective?

[Aaron Rodgers]

Well, I didn't know. I was on a plane about to head back to California and got a call. I love Joe. You know, I spent a lot of time with Joe, a lot of conversations. He's a great man. He's a damn good general manager. And I really enjoyed our conversations. I'm disappointed because I had a, you know, a hand in it. I had an opportunity to, you know, to play better and to keep, keep him here. So I feel, I feel bad about that because he's a great human. The human aspect of this is tough because there's families involved, there's people involved. Joe is such a great dude and I have so much love and respect for him. I was, I can't say I was fully surprised though because there was a helicopter landed practice on that Tuesday and I don't know, I just felt like something crazy was about to go down. Maybe isn't crazy outside the building, but when the helicopter landed mid practice, I.

[Heather Dinich]

Was like, is that not normal for New York?

[Boston Connor]

It happened in Dallas.

[Heather Dinich]

Jared.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Jared does, I mean, does he coming on A helicopter. I just knew something might be going down here. And I was like, damn, I hope it's not Joe.

[Pat McAfee]

And then a couple hours later, they whacked him.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, it's Joe at the knees.

[Pat McAfee]

Good luck out there, Joe.

[Ty Schmidt]

Good luck, Joe.

[Heather Dinich]

You ever ride on that chopper with Woody?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. You guys ever take trips together saying, who we firing next, Christopher?

[Aaron Rodgers]

I have not.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. People are gonna say you have. I mean, it's just inevitable. It's inevitable. Oh, what did Aaron Rogers do this past stop seeing? He became a helicopter pilot, this guy. He's always high. What altitudes? Yeah, well, he's in a helicopter. That's why this entire thing he's got going on Woody's helicopter now. So let's get back to this particular season. Obviously, head coach gone, GM gone. Still got a lot of ball left to be played after the bye week. DBOT has a question for you.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah. You said the body, you know, feels good. Obviously you're banged up at this point in the season. Everybody that's playing is. But we're mind, body and soul show here. So how's the mind going forward for this home stretch especially? Obviously not just for yourself, but still having to be that leader in the building when things obviously haven't necessarily gone you guys way.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Yeah, that's a great question, D. But because it takes all three to, you know, to be able to do what you want to do in the facility and on the field, part of that is learn how to balance the mind, body and soul and, you know, the physical, the mental, and the spiritual part of all of it. I think the most important thing is to be present with all of it. And the mind can go crazy and you can have 50 to 90,000 thoughts a day and it can take you all different places throughout the day and distract you and you miss out on great opportunities, opportunities that are kind of right in front of you. Connect with your teammates and make an impact on their life or say something to them that might mean something or listen and learn something from them that might really impact your life. So I think that's the most important thing. Whether you're 8 and 3 or 3 and 8 and playing for the playoffs or playing for pride, it's how do you show up every single day? Can you be the same person? Can you bring the same type of energy, your enthusiasm? If you can, it's a reminder to everybody how much this game means to you and that you just love football. You love to compete. This is a full time job. And you don't just turn it off when you want to or play when you have a good record. There's pride in performance at all times. And, you know, I got a lot of pride in what I've accomplished, and I got a little love for my teammates, and I want to go out there and play as well as I can, but at the same time, I want to be real present every single day in the locker room. I want to be present at practice. I want to, you know, continue to lead the best that I can and look for ways to impact my teammates. Because like I said, when you go to a reunion after 20 years and you see these guys, you hear some cool comments over the years that really give you a lot of. A lot of pride in what you accomplished and. And good feelings about the impact you can have on people. And. And they were. Multiple comments shared both ways. I got to share with coach Tedford what he meant to me and how much him pushing me turned me into the player that I was today. And I heard from multiple teammates about things that happened, words of encouragement or leadership style that they really appreciate over the years and meant a lot to them. And those are the things that you really feel good about at the end of the day. So I'm going to keep looking for those opportunities with my guys and keep trying to be present and play the game I love.

[Pat McAfee]

That did have to be a pretty cool moment, you know, especially as somebody that, you know, a lot of people say negative things about. Negative things about somebody from 20 years ago. And like, hey, you remember when he did this? And then I see you do this, that's like a cool little trip down memory lane. Feel good about yourself as you should.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Yeah. Yeah. And I don't give a shit about what these people are saying about me.

[Pat McAfee]

Any of them. None of them. Them all.

[Aaron Rodgers]

I mean, nobody. Nobody. I would. I would, you know, not ask advice from. I don't worry about opinions from people. I wouldn't ask them for advice.

[Pat McAfee]

That's good. Hey, that's good mindset.

[AJ Hawk]

Good quote, good mantra.

[Pat McAfee]

That's a good mindset. I like that you've had to have that now, though, because, you know, boy, that's why I can't wait for. I don't know if it's been.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Well, they still. They still got to do their vaccine status. They haven't been doing it. Yeah, they kind of stopped doing that. They still gotta let everybody know.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Let everybody know what their back status is so people can put in the right context when they're taking these.

[Pat McAfee]

Every once in a while. I'LL get somebody who comes up to me and be like, hey, you think Aaron's ever gonna forget about like the people that attacked them during the vaccine stuff? And it's like as somebody that was in the mentions alongside probably half stuff, I don't think you forget that. I don't think you remember.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Go ahead, remember the old adage, you know, like forgive and forget. There's a little extra something that goes with that. And if there's some sort of admission of maybe wrongdoing at some point along the way, like maybe the, you know, ridiculous Orwellian, you know, things that we mandates we put on society or maybe the things that we said or did or maybe that this miracle vaccine wasn't always meant to be and some of the things that we didn't said to people were wrong then. I think we can all kind of move past that when you try and make it seem like nothing ever happened. We never mandated a vaccine. We never fired anybody for not getting vaccine. We never humiliated people for their opinions.

[Pat McAfee]

Called the murderers. I was called a murderer in multiple different languages for even allowing you to speak about your 500 page report you did on the entire thing. Wow. I was called a murderer. That's what I was called. I was like, I feel actually terrible, genuinely terrible about myself. Why are you letting this guy talk and tell his side of the story? Why are you doing this?

[Aaron Rodgers]

Yeah, don't let him do his own research, you know, but that's why. Hey, look, you know, maybe. Maybe things will change with Bobby in charge, man.

[AJ Hawk]

Well, well, well.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Look out. You looking.

[Heather Dinich]

You looking for a cabinet position, Bobby, for real.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, well, well. Let's hear what Bobby's got to say.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Anyway, there's some people. There's some people quaking in their boots right now.

[Pat McAfee]

I could fathom. If it means anything, I would like to let you know that let's say this upcoming season and we'll talk about this a lot, but we want to let you know, know it's been a hell of a ride these last five years. It has been a hell of a ride these last.

[Aaron Rodgers]

You're dropping me? You're dropping me?

[Pat McAfee]

Yep.

[Aaron Rodgers]

You're dropping me.

[Pat McAfee]

Actually, ladies and gentlemen, this is over forever. We're putting the Jets. Might not be putting them on ir, cutting them, but we are. This guy's gone. No, it's been cool, man. Legitimately. And that's why every time you start talking about that, like I very much remember, remember the things that were being said at that time by a lot of people with a Lot of power you know about. He was like the face of it at one point.

[Darius Butler]

Snl. This is the guy spoofing him on snl.

[Pat McAfee]

President. Yeah, President snl. I mean, other countries. I mean, you were the. This guy's worst human that exists right now just won't let you know that this is the guy. And then you had your little Halloween party. Oh, this guy thinks it's fun.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, cool costume.

[Pat McAfee]

This guy's hanging out with people that are vaccinated. This anti vax guy is going to ruin the rest of the world. We'd like to let you know it's been a fun ride, brother, no matter what happens in the future, football wise.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Now, speaking of rides, it's been my pleasure.

[Pat McAfee]

Hell yeah. All right. See you never, dude. I know. Let's get back to the ride that has been your relationship with the New York jets, shall we? Because Tone Diggs actually has a very good question about something that had been reported a few times.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, reported a few times about the guy that landed in the helicopter at practice, Woody Johnson, the owner of the Jets. There's been reports that he didn't want you starting anymore. There's been reports that you guys great relationship. You guys went out to dinner a few weeks ago out in the city, out in the town. It was a great dinner. So based off of those reports, what, what is the relationship? And now that he might be an ambassador again to England, what is the relationship with Woody and the Johnson family?

[Aaron Rodgers]

I mean, I think it's a good relationship. The, The. The Johnson that I went to dinner with was, Was not maybe the one that was ported.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, different Johnson.

[Aaron Rodgers]

I have been. I have been. I have been. I have been to dinner with Woody before. It's been a little while, but yeah, no, I, I have a lot of gratitude for all the Johnsons for bringing me in. Had some good conversations over the last two years. But no, like I would say, you know, Chris is maybe around a little bit more than Woody. You know, he'll come on the, on the road trips with us on the plane. So I've had more conversations, I would say, with, with Christopher than Woody. But no, I got a lot of, A lot of love and appreciation and gratitude for, for all the Johnsons.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Because we heard, you know, you hated them and that's why anybody but the jets, yada, yada, yada. It is. It's a never ending. It's crazy. Do you send texts from fake phones and be like, hey, straight out Aaron Rogers camp, You know, like the variable booth.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, that'd be cool.

[Pat McAfee]

Was it Variable or who was the coach that lied to Rappaport? Who was. Did you hear about this?

[Aaron Rodgers]

I did hear about that. Yeah. I was. Genius.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. All right, so you put that one down, Aaron. Put that one down in the old booth. All right, let's talk about this week.

[Aaron Rodgers]

I don't think there's a lot of, you know, there's. There's. There's not a lot of journalistic integrity anymore.

[Pat McAfee]

What? Standards.

[Aaron Rodgers]

It's. Yeah, the standards are what they are. You know, there's.

[Boston Connor]

Come on.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Listen. I think some of the stuff that I've read, I would say the majority is. Is limited in its truth and questionable in its content. Meaning I don't understand why some of the articles were written last year because it seemed like they were really trying to ruin people's lives.

[Pat McAfee]

Got it.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Now, that being said, I don't understand why people would talk to some of these people. Like, maybe it's just me in my world. I don't know anybody in my world that goes online and trolls people's social media. Like, they're in the comments all the time. They just. I don't have. Nobody that I have a relationship with does that.

[Pat McAfee]

AJ Does.

[Aaron Rodgers]

I don't have. I don't have anybody. I don't believe that. I'm. It's in my inner circle. They would spend any time talking to a reporter about other people's or trying to slam them or protect themselves. But unfortunately, this business has turned into a lot of COVID your ass, you know, And I guess that's why the, you know, the. I guess that's part of what this is. People are trying to cover their ass, so they gotta, you know, have a fall guy. It was Hackett, it was Robert, you know, it was Joe, then it's me. And that's fine. I can take it. I don't care. And those guys can too. I mean, I talk to. Still talk to Robert a lot. He's doing great. He's totally fine, you know, but it's still like the slander that went his way, I think was totally unfair to slander. They went hack's way and has gone Todd's way. It's just. It's interesting, the motivation behind people who would try and leak things. And then again, the actual content and the fact around the leaking is usually very, you know, very limited. I would say every now and then they have some stuff that's right on. You're like, what the fuck? How'd they get that? You know? But I would say A lot of times it's either over exaggerated or just not really that close to the truth.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it's an interesting gig that they have because they can assume that a source is good, but who knows if source is actually good, you know, but they can say source should be good because of this particular person. Then the information that they have to confirm on the other side, it is a timeless job.

[Aaron Rodgers]

But then there's emotion, you know, there's emotions, there's perspective that informs. If the three of us on the screen here are. Saw the same thing, we maybe wouldn't have the same experience. So your version of what actually happened, AJ Is usually false, but your version of what happened is going to differ slightly from what happened to Pat and what happened to me. And then when there's emotions involved and you're covering your ass a little bit, then it's easy for things to be exaggerated past the point of, you know, what actually happened in the situation, obviously. So it is, you know, it's the environment that we're in. I won't say they've gotten everything wrong. There's been some things that they've. They've definitely gotten right. Usually not high percentage when it comes to me. Every now and then they get something and I'm like, damn, how'd they know that? But I would say more often than not, they're like, that never fucking happened. That's bullshit.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. So your world is a little bit different than I think everybody else's because everything you do has been covered very closely by entertainment people, sports people, everything you are, you know? You know that, though. So you crossover.

[Heather Dinich]

Crossover.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, you. But you get judged a lot, you know, and by everybody. Well, I think it was before that though, too, right?

[Aaron Rodgers]

A little bit. A little bit. I was still an enigma though, back then.

[Pat McAfee]

Great name there. Remember? Great name there. Enigma. That's a great name.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Carry on.

[Pat McAfee]

There's something coming with that particular work.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Does Ty have a question or not? What's going on?

[Pat McAfee]

He does, actually. It's a great question too, because we're on a great week right now.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah. Aaron, obviously you're no stranger to playing on Thanksgiving. I don't, I don't think you ever played at home at Lambo on Thanksgiving, though, so I'm pretty usually, you know, like, packers are always playing against the Lions in Detroit, but they have a game on Sunday night. Other than that, the slate's, you know, a couple fucking stinkers. But where would you put like, in your, in your, like, ranking of like, special moment games and like, and things like that. Like, where's playing on Thanksgiving rank for you?

[Aaron Rodgers]

Well, maybe somebody in the back can fact check this one. But I believe in 2015 we may have played on Thanksgiving against the Bears. Could be wrong on that. Maybe it's Thanksgiving week. But again, fact check me on that was a night game at home against Chicago. We'd lost, but that was when we took a picture. Bart Star was there, Barbie and myself. Pretty cool picture that I have, actually. That was, that was fun. And then hearing Bart swear was pretty funny as well, which is a whole nother story because he was such a, you know, upright man of God. He rarely ever said a foul word about anybody until he kind of had some, you know, later in his life when his kind of health issues were going. But I think I enjoyed playing on Thanksgiving in Detroit because it was an early game and we get back and like, I remember being at dinner, sitting at the table, the eating. Thanksgiving like 6:00 on, you know, on, on that Thursday after having played a game and we won a lot of those games. One of my favorite memories was nothing to do with the game, but when we ran up the tunnel and they told everybody, stay in your seats here. Halftime entertainment, Nickelback and the whole crew crowd was like super loud. Super loud. But. But yeah, I mean, Thursdays in general, you don't really, you don't love. Now we've loved them this year. We're two and oh on Thursday. But. But the Thursday night games are easier because you at least get the extra little bit like Thursday playing at 12:30 Eastern. That makes for a short week. But I loved, I loved watching football growing up because Madden and Summer all always had the game and Madden had the turducken. And you know, you remember him giving it out to like Nate Newton and Emmett Smith and all the linemen from Dallas and you know, that was always really cool, but it's kind of one of those holidays that's always, for me always been about football. So when I've gotten a few times, gotten to play on, it's been pretty special.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, the Turkey bowl, getting a chance. Well, I played against Pittsburgh.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Better than Christmas. Better than Christmas.

[Pat McAfee]

We had, we had hall of Fame game. It ended up getting moved against you guys. Thanksgiving, Christmas and I think New Year's Day. Yeah, one season. Jeez, that was my last year.

[AJ Hawk]

Makes sense.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm done with it. I'm done putting balls on fourth downs. I. I'm gonna go elsewhere. But like playing on things, giving school because, you know, everybody's forced to Watch.

[Boston Connor]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Everybody's, like, forced to watch, like, Sunday Night Football. Everybody says everybody's watching. It's like, maybe. Maybe Monday Night Football. Everybody's watching. But, like, the total audience delivered is this math equation that these networks do whenever they try to project how many people are alongside the person that's watching the tv. So it's like each TV was a rating. You know, I think back in the day, then inevitably somebody came by, was like, is everybody watching alone? No, there's at least. So, like, the Thanksgiving total audience delivered is always, like, some massive number because literally everybody has football on the tv. So it's just, like, a part of Americana history almost, which is why I think it's special. But it does suck to not have your own Thanksgiving, you know, like, as you're in there, you're thinking to yourself, like, man, it would have been nice to maybe have Thanksgiving. We're at home, thank God.

[Heather Dinich]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

We're not on the road. No.

[Aaron Rodgers]

But we liked it because we would have. We would have Thanksgiving on. On. On Fridays. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Whole team.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Then you can kind of get, after a little bit, jump in the river if you wanted to. Hey, one of those nights, 11 and.

[Pat McAfee]

1 on Thanksgiving, I just. I got in my ear there. You on Thanksgiving.

[Aaron Rodgers]

I don't know if that's true.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, AI has been wrong on a few things a lot of times.

[Ty Schmidt]

You were right about that Bears game, though.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. You guys lost 17, 13 teen bears. They beat you guys.

[Heather Dinich]

What did Bar call you?

[Aaron Rodgers]

We lost. What? It wasn't me. It wasn't what he said to me. He said to some of the people, the caretakers taking care of them. He. Oh, the caregivers. He, you know, had some colorful metaphors for him later in his life.

[Pat McAfee]

Later. He was fed up. You know, I've been thinking here for a while. All right, what is. Are you. Turkey, ham, turkey?

[Aaron Rodgers]

I don't. I don't eat pork.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Respect the diet.

[Ty Schmidt]

It's a foul way.

[Pat McAfee]

Will you do stuffing? That is good one. Will you do stuffing, mashed potatoes, any of the sides, or. No, not with the diet we're on.

[Aaron Rodgers]

No, I'm definitely. Definitely in, you know, 80. 20. 80, 20, bro. Give me any type of casseroles. We got sweet potatoes, for sure. You call it stuffing or dressing when you call it stuffing?

[Pat McAfee]

Well, apparently, it's two different things. We had to look this up because there was a debate the other day. Stuffing is whenever it's cooked inside, allegedly, of the turkey. And then stuffing can also just be dressing. If it's cooked Outside. Which stovetop?

[Darius Butler]

Stovetop.

[Pat McAfee]

Stovetop has the win. Stovetop has figured it out.

[Boston Connor]

We call it dressing in our household.

[Aaron Rodgers]

I'm sure they've got some great ingredients to America's situation.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't think so. I don't.

[AJ Hawk]

I don't think it's not true.

[Aaron Rodgers]

What did he just. What did he say?

[Boston Connor]

Thanksgiving spreads.

[Pat McAfee]

Look, he said we call it dressing in my household and two America's.

[Boston Connor]

No, you know, look, this is one of those holidays where, you know, guys, hey, guys, love some casserole. Me have this separate me. Mike. Give me my yams, my Mac and cheese, my greens, ham. Turkey's gotta be there.

[Ty Schmidt]

Just I'm with casseroles or not.

[Boston Connor]

They just gotta be. Ain't no casserole unless it's sweet potato. Cassette casserole. Agreed.

[Pat McAfee]

10, 4 on that one. We.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Potato casserole. Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

That's a banger.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes. Sweet potato is the winner. It's much better than just basic ass. Regular ass potatoes.

[AJ Hawk]

That's not true. Yeah, that is not true. Not even a little bit.

[Boston Connor]

Very true.

[Pat McAfee]

Aj, how do you feel about mashed potatoes?

[Heather Dinich]

You know, I think it's garbage.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, the guy. The guy that eats chicken and rice for every meal.

[Heather Dinich]

But if you slop some on your fork with some turkey, it's okay if you.

[Pat McAfee]

If you put flavor on it.

[AJ Hawk]

Stuffing isn't just bread. There's a bunch of shit on stuffing as well. That's the same thing with potatoes.

[Pat McAfee]

What are you talking about?

[Aaron Rodgers]

No, I will.

[Boston Connor]

I will tell you right with that.

[Pat McAfee]

Self is a combination of shit.

[AJ Hawk]

Okay?

[Pat McAfee]

Mashed potatoes is just a. That's what it is. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

If you just take potatoes, mash them up. Yes, that is what it is. But when you're serving them on Thanksgiving, it's not just, hey, look, I just grounded a bunch of potatoes up, eat them, they do a bunch of shit to.

[Pat McAfee]

The way you feel right now is not how other mashed potato lovers who are mad at me for my take about mashed potatoes feel. They're saying, give me the.

[Darius Butler]

Just can't do that.

[Pat McAfee]

That's. That's dumb.

[AJ Hawk]

For any food across the board.

[Pat McAfee]

Not stuffing. Stuffing by itself.

[AJ Hawk]

No, because a bunch of shit.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what stuffing is. Yes, that is what it is.

[AJ Hawk]

So the cop. No, stuffing is just bread. You know, they serve just stuffing crumbs. That's what they do. Oh, my God. I'll take a photo of it later.

[Heather Dinich]

They're serving it at home.

[AJ Hawk]

They're serving at Whole Foods right now.

[Pat McAfee]

We'll definitely see it Send it in the cranberry. Do you like cranberry, Eric?

[Aaron Rodgers]

I do. Yes, I do. I was thinking, hell, yeah. So I think, DB that you lost AJ There when you started talking about green.

[Heather Dinich]

What do you mean, you lost me? What's that mean?

[Pat McAfee]

That lady's about to be everybody's time. Oh, yeah. What a legend.

[Boston Connor]

Heard this.

[Aaron Rodgers]

You, A.J. do you. Do you put on a little Chuck Berry record when you're on your Thanksgiving?

[Heather Dinich]

You mean the greatest guitar player of all time? No, I do not. But maybe I will this Thanksgiving.

[Boston Connor]

M. Rushmore of guitar play. Yeah, he's up there.

[AJ Hawk]

And listen.

[Pat McAfee]

Kidding me. On. On that note, we can't thank you enough for joining us here on Aaron Rogers Tuesday, fifth season of It All. It's. It's a wonderful conversation. We hope you're enjoying your own Thanksgiving conversations and reflecting upon what life is, could be, and what it has been. Thank you all so much. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change your life. Like, dude wipes.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Oops.

[Pat McAfee]

See you tomorrow. Goodbye. Nailed it. Right there.

[Darius Butler]

Yep. Bam.

[Heather Dinich]

Nice.

[Pat McAfee]

Shohei. With Donnie right up here.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, Juan Soto.

[Pat McAfee]

Bang. He's about to make 700, 650 million.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah. From my sports group.

[Boston Connor]

You should, Red.

[Aaron Rodgers]

So do you think he's gonna defer all his salary like Shohei did?

[Darius Butler]

He shouldn't.

[Pat McAfee]

It's. How'd you feel about that? Ty is so mad about that situation.

[Darius Butler]

Horseshit.

[Pat McAfee]

Why?

[Aaron Rodgers]

What do you mean, why?

[Darius Butler]

Because he's a fucking first ballot generational. Maybe the best player ever. You can't just give a guy and be like, you know, yeah, we'll pay you in 65 years. You won't be mate. You won't count anything against your team's salary cap for the next 10 years. So you can just, you know it. Get the best player ever and then go out and get whoever the else you want. And you know what? You can defer their salaries, too. Maybe if you're lucky, maybe show he'll die in like, a plane crash or something, and then you'll be off the hook and you won't have the plan.

[Pat McAfee]

You're bad guy.

[Darius Butler]

I don't want that to happen, obviously. I'm just saying. Terrible.

[Pat McAfee]

It's not how baseball works.

[Ty Schmidt]

They got to pay the luxury tax.

[Pat McAfee]

You got to pay it year over year over year. And by doing that, you're around, man. Sorry. They beat the game. You guys are mad about them. They're cheating.

[Darius Butler]

They beat the game.

[Heather Dinich]

Willing to pay the tax. Right. You're willing to pay the luxury Tax.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. No, you're not paying. If you're paying the guy's salary. A million bucks. It's all back end.

[Boston Connor]

Figured it out.

[Heather Dinich]

Good for them. Sounds like Gavin did Newsome figure that out. How were they able to do that?

[Aaron Rodgers]

Yeah, I think he did all right.

[AJ Hawk]

Figuring out other stuff.

[Pat McAfee]

It's a good day. I'm happy.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Go ahead.

[Pat McAfee]

Take the bait. Hey, A.J. tried, didn't he? Almost had. Certainly tried. It's Thanksgiving. I'm thankful for all of this. And Aaron, I'm happy you had a great trip back to Berkeley. Good luck. This upcoming week, you guys are playing the Seattle Seahawks.

[Darius Butler]

Let's go, football team.

[Pat McAfee]

Good luck out there.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Coming off a big thanks, guys. Hey, happy Thanksgiving, man. Appreciate all you guys.

[Pat McAfee]

We'll see you next week or ir.

[Aaron Rodgers]

We'll see, man. Open to everything. That's to nothing.

[Pat McAfee]

You felt good about that. You felt good whenever that came out. That was a good bar.

[Aaron Rodgers]

It was.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it was. Yeah. Four time mvp, super bowl champion, ladies and gentlemen, Aaron Rodgers opened anything attached to nothing.

[AJ Hawk]

Okay, save that one.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Go ahead and put that one. Done.

[AJ Hawk]

Save that for Thanksgiving night.

[Pat McAfee]

Go ahead and join. Not gonna be a lot of that. There's gonna be a lot of attached to, huh? Yeah. And open to nothing. They're gonna have that one completely. Let's remember Thanksgiving. Let's just enjoy ourselves. Let's just enjoy ourselves.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, let's have that. You know, right there on the.

[AJ Hawk]

That's not the sound it makes, brother.

[Pat McAfee]

What?

[AJ Hawk]

That's not the sound it makes.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

That'S what it sounds like. I can't wait.

[Heather Dinich]

Oh, yeah, I can.

[AJ Hawk]

I can't wait to take a photo of that in Whole Foods. I wasn't planning on going today. Usually I go like every other day. Today I'll go just to take a photo.

[Pat McAfee]

You're going to Whole Foods every other day. You're addicted to this place.

[AJ Hawk]

I love Whole Foods, man.

[Pat McAfee]

I love it. Why?

[Heather Dinich]

It's good.

[AJ Hawk]

It's good vibes in there. If you really want, you can stop and get a beer. Everyone knows your name.

[Pat McAfee]

Sometimes you want to go to a place where everyone knows your name. They have food there too, I assume.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, they got food there. They got pizza, they got hot bar, they got a cookie bar, smoothies.

[Ty Schmidt]

There's an actual bar too, guys.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Just get boozed up at Whole Foods.

[AJ Hawk]

Just like Johnny Eagle talking about doing Christmas.

[Pat McAfee]

Do people. You're going to get boozed up at Whole Foods? Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

That'S where he's going Wednesday.

[Pat McAfee]

Want to shop? Walmart Black Friday deals first. Walmart plus members get early access to our hottest deals. Join now and get 50% off a one year annual membership shop. Black Friday deals first with Walmart plus see [e-mail] Whole Foods Market has Thanksgiving gatherings covered. First things first, reserve your no antibiotics ever. Fresh whole turkey today starting at $2.99 a pound or go with their organic spiral cut bone and ham full of seared in flavor for sides. Choose Whole Foods Market Grab and go platters. Go even further and get your whole meal catered. Just order online by November 26th. Get Thanksgiving ready at Whole Foods Market. Terms apply. Football is happening all around us. That's AJ Hawk. The talks tables here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. One half of the Hammer Down Cowboys fresh off a team ride. Yeah. Incredible with the Ravens last night. AP Ton good to see you. Let's take a look at how last week ended up in the pick segment, shall we? Between myself and AJ Hawk, we pick every single NFL game against the spread. Oh, we tied. Okay.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, wow.

[AJ Hawk]

You're close, brother.

[Pat McAfee]

Two ties there. Nine, one.

[Aaron Rodgers]

You're close.

[Pat McAfee]

Damn. I got time.

[Heather Dinich]

Lot of season left. Lot of season left.

[Pat McAfee]

Not enough, I don't think, brother. Yeah, I'm focused on this week slipping away.

[Heather Dinich]

The only focus on this week moral victories.

[Pat McAfee]

Remember yesterday when you picked the Chargers? I said are you like ten times gave him.

[Heather Dinich]

I should have waffled. Why didn't I waffle?

[Pat McAfee]

You didn't waffle at all. And to be clear, I thought it was a Chargers as well. Another person that thought it was a Chargers, a nine year NFL vet, ladies and gentlemen, host of everything DB Good D, Bad D. Which we'll be watching in a matter of moments because he will not be here tomorrow to celebrate obviously Thanksgiving down there. Ladies and gentlemen, Darius J. Bolo.

[Boston Connor]

I did watch, but I felt good about the Chargers pick. But hey, some people are asking questions now about the Chargers team, how they look against good football teams.

[Pat McAfee]

I know.

[Boston Connor]

So now they gotta answer those questions down the stretch.

[Pat McAfee]

I can't wait for somebody to maybe ask that question. Jim Harbaugh Every football team's a good football team. It's the NFL, you know. And then he tells a story about professional athletes. He'll tell some, he'll make some metaphor to the difference between professional athletes and those who are playing in the NFL and everybody else, how every team is a good team, every team's getting paid. The amount of one score. Games that happen in the NFL would tell you that every team could potentially Win. But this Baltimore Ravens team feels different. It does. And watching last night, I, I kind of, I felt that that's a game that I thought the Jim Harbaugh effect, they would win for sure. I thought Chargers win this game last night. That's why only took the Ravens because you took the Chargers. So I had to go opposite. But then as I'm watching it, I'm like, this team's built to do it. Like with Derrick Henry being the, you know, added to that offense, you know, obviously on defense without Roquan Smith, you knew that was going to be a problem against run game. And they were certainly getting exposed early in that particular fashion. But let's assume he gets healthy with a hamstring and he's back on the field for them before too long for that whole thing. It's like this team, I feel like this year built differently than years past. And I think that's why I took away from last night. A.J. hawk.

[Heather Dinich]

Yeah, they are. I mean, Derek Henry just adds such an element to that team. Like when he gets the ball and he's going downhill. I'm just thinking of every defender's like, man, please don't let me to be the first guy to get to it. Like, I want to be the second. I need to be the second and third guy. I do not want to be the first guy. When this guy has an 8, 10 yard running start downhill.

[Pat McAfee]

If you're the first guy, you're eating Patrick or Card sometimes.

[Heather Dinich]

So either way you're screwed.

[Pat McAfee]

Either way it's a, you gotta be the third guy. You gotta be the third guy in most situations to not have to take on a 250 or 285 pound downhill running back. I mean, it's Lamar also under center this year a little bit. I mean, it's like, it's a different look for everything they have going on. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

And they got a late bye week. It still hasn't happened yet. It's week 14. But even if you are that third guy, it's like, hey, yeah, you don't have to take on the first and maybe you don't have to, to take on the second. But if you don't tackle Derek Henry, it's a touchdown. So if you, if you miss a tackle, you pull your tackle right, right there.

[Heather Dinich]

You got to make that. That's, that's a very, very difficult tackle.

[Pat McAfee]

He's trying to knock you out with those stiff arms. I never understood why, why are offensive guys.

[Heather Dinich]

Yeah, why can they do it?

[Pat McAfee]

A.J. you wonder that same Thing. Huh. You. Because some of them are awesome. Like Saquon hit the one the other night. I think it was middle of chest.

[Boston Connor]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

I think it was like middle of chest. But there are some highlights. Derrick Henry has a few of them where it is a open palm jab, the side of head through ground. And it's. Damn. If a defender was to do that, what would. What would happen? I'm happy they don't call it because, you know, that's of course, football, physical football, but it would suck to play defense against that.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, same with like, Laura in the head. Like Darius Slay, he got knocked out of the game when the tight end caught that ball on Sunday night and kind of put his head down. And if you get a few more extra yards, like if you're on the defense, you do that, you're getting booty. It's 15 yards.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. In the Ram truck segment we had last week and offensive guy who was running full speed and just literally like this, just right.

[Heather Dinich]

Sometimes they call that. I disagree with making that. I don't think they should be a call. I think running back should be able to do whatever he wants. But every once in a while they do make that call, though, if a running back lowers his head.

[Pat McAfee]

I haven't seen a lot of.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, they've been fine.

[Heather Dinich]

I haven't either.

[Boston Connor]

They've been fine.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Yeah, you're right. In the NFL, not in colleges. Yeah. How do you feel about the College Football Playoff, Franken coming out tonight?

[Heather Dinich]

I don't know. I can't wait to watch McElroy and hopefully Joey has a few, you know, polarizing things he can throw out there for people. But yeah, I'm excited.

[Pat McAfee]

Ohio State has another massive win because Ohio State beats Indiana, though. Just Indiana playing them. Their strength of schedule now is much different because they play the number two team in the country is what everybody's assuming Ohio State's going to be. So Indiana strength of schedule is going to look vastly different than the triple digits ranking that it had before. And then the amount of wins in conference in their season with the chaos that just happened in the sec, I think the fallout that we thought could come from this particular game if it went the way that it went. Three scores and it started. I don't think it's going to matter as much. I think they're going to value wins just as in general more so now than maybe they would have last week.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, I mean, I mean, what I think there's there. I think I saw they jumped like 50 spots in strength of schedule just because they played Ohio State. So is the. Is strength to schedule a bunch of mumbo jumbo? I don't know. But yeah, I think they're going to go off of wins forced and first and foremost in this tonight.

[Heather Dinich]

Heather, they're in, right?

[Pat McAfee]

What's Indiana.

[Heather Dinich]

Sorry, sorry. Indiana's in if they beat Purdue, right?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Yes.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Gotta be.

[Heather Dinich]

Yeah, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Hey, that Purdue game, what a scary fuck they're going.

[Heather Dinich]

For real? For real.

[Darius Butler]

I don't know.

[Pat McAfee]

I think so, too. I think there's bingo. I think there's a chance that Indiana does that, especially with how good they've been coming off this loss, how it ended, how Signetti is going to be talking to the boys all week. Yes.

[Darius Butler]

All points, all bets are off when you're playing for the old oak and bucket. Okay. Everyone knows that.

[Ty Schmidt]

They don't call them spoiler makers for nothing.

[Heather Dinich]

Everybody knows that about the record.

[AJ Hawk]

Yep.

[Ty Schmidt]

You know, they call spoiler.

[Pat McAfee]

So I heard up at Purdue they got the spoiler makers.

[AJ Hawk]

50 points.

[Pat McAfee]

You think they win by. Yeah, 29 and a half spread.

[Boston Connor]

That's a lot.

[Pat McAfee]

That's a lot. That is a lot. But Signetti's team got a chance to go to the 12 team playoff probably if they get a win. That's a lot to pull from, especially after a loss from Ohio State. And I think Signetti will certainly dabble in that particular department. Ryan Day talking about the game with Michigan. I don't remember. We aired it earlier in the show. I think we were talking to Heather Dinich. We weren't talking to you. You Ohio State, Buckeye, you living in the area, you understanding this game and meaning whenever you see Ryan Day say this on game time with Ryan Day, we felt what it's like to not win this game. And it's bad. It's one of the worst things that's happened to me in my life. Know, quite honestly, other than losing my father and a few other things, like it's. It's quite honestly for my family the worst thing that's happened. So we can never have that happen. So first of all, what are you saying?

[AJ Hawk]

No, no, nothing.

[Heather Dinich]

I don't know.

[AJ Hawk]

Did you smell that?

[Pat McAfee]

Smell what?

[AJ Hawk]

Just kind of smells weird in here right now.

[Pat McAfee]

Are you being serious?

[AJ Hawk]

I'm being.

[Darius Butler]

Actually, I didn't, but then when you mentioned it, I kind of.

[AJ Hawk]

What?

[Darius Butler]

No, no, it's not that.

[AJ Hawk]

You guys having a stroke, terrible food.

[Pat McAfee]

Really? Yeah, yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

But that's on me. I'm sorry. You're completely off from Right now, I completely. Fuck this. I'm sorry. Inside voice. Inside.

[Pat McAfee]

Inside voice showing up. So you're saying there's a terrible food smelling here right now?

[AJ Hawk]

A weird food smell. I don't know if it's terrible.

[Heather Dinich]

The smell of Brussels sprouts.

[AJ Hawk]

There's money in it.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I got a whiff of it. Okay, so that's all me.

[AJ Hawk]

I fucked up.

[Heather Dinich]

I'm sorry. Who you blame?

[Pat McAfee]

You fudged up.

[AJ Hawk]

I fudged up.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, it's okay. I mean, it's a good conversation to have because, you know, this is office talk. This is office.

[Darius Butler]

Bone is new in here. He might not know. He could be just like eating a.

[Pat McAfee]

Whole onion out there, like the Grinch, just eating. There's a chance debon's doing that. I mean, you never know. But the microwave food decisions are certainly a conversation. Certainly a conversation. Every once in a while you turn a corner in there and it's like, did we just cook a salmon, like a live salmon in this place? Is that what we did today? I didn't know we do that.

[Heather Dinich]

Eight to ten hours of that in that place. If you're doing that.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, but then you can't blame. Because it's like trying to eat healthy what you want. Yeah.

[Heather Dinich]

Now you can eat fish outside. If you want to make fish in a place with other humans, you can go outside.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, you know, depending. Okay, I appreciate that. That is your rules and regs. I think it has naturally become the rules and regs here because of how the reaction is every time that it happens. But let's talk about reactions happening. Ryan Day talking in that game time with Ryan Day. Why didn't you tell us about that show first? First of all, I should have asked him about game time with Ryan Day whenever he was on a program. I should have put it over. That's on me. That's his weekly hit. And him talking like that. How does that make you feel? Legit, Like, I think the reason why he's saying that and he says his family as well, is like, everybody feels this and they've been on a bad run with this Michigan team. Now they're 21 point favorites. I assume it'd be impossible to deal with as a family, the Day family, if they lose this game over there in Ohio. Yeah.

[Heather Dinich]

Oh, yeah. I mean, seeing that it really hits home of what it means and how, like how much pressure, I guess, is on the coach when things haven't gone, gone well against Michigan and what it can do for, like, what a victory can do for You. But, yeah, I mean, I. I see Ryan Day's family. I saw Ryan Day's family the week of the Michigan game last year because my. Our daughters play each other in basketball a lot of times. And yeah, like, you could see it would not be a fun situation.

[Pat McAfee]

Like.

[Heather Dinich]

Like, a win would make you so happy, but it would just be so much relief, I believe, at the same time, because loss is just. It's so fine. Like, man, I don't get another chance for 364 days to try to write this wrong or right, what just happened. Like, it's a tough spot. It's a spot you want to be in. But, yeah, it definitely means a lot to him.

[Pat McAfee]

It is a spot you want to be in because that means it's a big deal. And anytime you work in a profession, you want to get to something that is considered a big deal. Like, that is what you know, especially in sports, you're trying to get to these moments in these rivalries. You earn the pressure that comes alongside these situations by all the work and talent that you have and everything like that. But I couldn't even imagine him having to walk around you. You said girls basketball games. That means he's in a gym. So he has to walk in the door. Right. When you walk in a gym, everybody on earth sees.

[Heather Dinich]

Everybody knows.

[Pat McAfee]

Everybody knows it's a WWE entrance into a gym every single time you walk in to a gym, because it's just one door normally, and it's right next to the bleachers. So, like, you're walk. Everybody sees the entire thing. It's a whole. So Ryan Day walking in there with his kids, he has to look like dad. But instead he knows as soon as he walks in there, everybody in there is just going, why is he here? And this guy, you know, that's his whole life. And what Michigan had done, they could win the national championship. They're on a complete opposite end of that spectrum. Even though he's won a lot of games, it's like this week, favored by 21. Yep.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, my God.

[Boston Connor]

The spoil the game. But what's his. What's his record against Michigan?

[Pat McAfee]

Not good.

[AJ Hawk]

Not great. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

One and three.

[Heather Dinich]

One and three, I believe.

[Pat McAfee]

One and three. So he did get a win. Okay, because three losses. Right. Three straight here.

[Heather Dinich]

But like. Yeah, think of it. Wait. Yeah, exactly. But how big of a difference. How it can change things, I guess. And how people view you and how you're. How it goes. Coach Tressel came in and in his first year at Ohio State, they went to Michigan and beat them and I don't think they were supposed to win that game. And that just launched his next year. He wins the national championship, goes undefeated. Like that just launches you in the right direction.

[Pat McAfee]

Urban too, Forever, right? Cause he's what, what's seven and oh, that's like the name of some bars or some shit, right? Doesn't he have like some. Something named seven and Oh, I think.

[Heather Dinich]

The Chop House maybe.

[Ty Schmidt]

Does he know anyone that works there or to remember anyone that works there?

[Pat McAfee]

What are you talking about?

[Boston Connor]

Oh, yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Bravel was on the Manning cast last night. Told the story that when he was the head coach of the Tennessee Titans and played Urban Myers Jacksonville Jaguars. We have it.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we do.

[Ty Schmidt]

We have.

[Pat McAfee]

Here's Rainbow.

[Heather Dinich]

You know, I feel I. I can feel I can relate with Owen Wilson.

[Pat McAfee]

I was listening earlier and you know, Urban Meyer asked him, do I know you? And. And Urban Ameya is coaching the Titans. He was coaching the Jaguars and he.

[Heather Dinich]

Actually said the same thing to me.

[Pat McAfee]

I said, yeah, I'm the head coach for the Titans and I worked for you for two years. All right, so Urban Meyer shit talking is do I know you? I love that. Sent to Owen Wilson. Sent to Mike Brable. Mike Frable couldn't wait to tell that story. You think?

[Heather Dinich]

Yeah, I'm sure. I don't know if he's ever told that before, but the Manicast the perfect place to do it.

[Pat McAfee]

I think so too. Vrabe's dog, Og. Does everybody in Ohio State get along with everybody in Ohio State? Why is Urban Meyer dunking on Mike Vrabel?

[Heather Dinich]

I don't know. I would like to talk to Rabe and see how this came about. What was like the toe own Urban Head when he asked him this. Like there's. I had some follow up questions for sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I'm in your division also.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah. Coaching under you.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I like that. Urban Meyer's talking though. Knows no boundaries. I could have worked for him. Could. We spent family and holidays together. Hey, coach, good to see you. Do I know you?

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, so you think it was talking?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I think it was. Yeah. I think the do I know you? Is talking.

[Boston Connor]

I don't think he. You remember that was my thing.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

No way.

[Pat McAfee]

Does not know who Mike Frable is.

[Boston Connor]

For sure.

[Heather Dinich]

He didn't know.

[AJ Hawk]

Bad memory.

[Darius Butler]

I mean, there's a chance. Remember he was like watching film with the Rams and was like, this is 99. It's pretty good, huh? Right?

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah. Then he said every week is Alabama.

[Darius Butler]

Like, yeah, no A little bit better than Alabama.

[Pat McAfee]

No, he's talking. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

I don't know.

[Heather Dinich]

Maybe just dial right there.

[Pat McAfee]

Here's Mike Vrabel a couple. Couple spots down from coach Urban Meyer doing the Urban Meyer at Ohio State. Lean or stance that we've seen him in. It's. I love that about Braves. I enjoy the fact. And also if that's how Urban Meyer talks to you. Do I know you? I didn't think so. It's pretty good. That's pretty.

[AJ Hawk]

It's not bad at all if he's.

[Pat McAfee]

Just dropping that on everybody. Do you got any of these? I got multiple schools.

[AJ Hawk]

Rabel after that must have been too just like.

[Pat McAfee]

Wait, is her not. No way.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Did Frames laugh in his face and then give an answer? What do you. How do you think it. He had.

[Heather Dinich]

Yeah, that's like. I'm saying I had a lot of followups when I heard this, but Braves had to laugh. They had.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Heather Dinich]

Like, then what. When you. When you said that to him. Braves. What. How was his response?

[Pat McAfee]

Good time. Oh, so are you guys. So Ohio State. How do we. Ohio State. We're all like this. Right? We know who.

[Heather Dinich]

Big time. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Ryan Day said maybe you guys come back and put some pads on. I don't know if you saw that.

[Heather Dinich]

Well, yeah. Oh, yeah. Bobby has. Bobby has done that.

[Pat McAfee]

Bobby has worn pads of practice. Yeah.

[Heather Dinich]

You know that. We've talked. We told you he used to go to bowl practice when. I think they changed the rule and you can't do that. But remember Saban started using ex players to come back in bowl practice. Bobby did it two or three years in a row and always would try to get me to do it. And I was like, no, no, no chance. Those guys were giant.

[Ty Schmidt]

While he was still in the NFL.

[Pat McAfee]

How old is Bobby? Yeah, how old is Bobby? Whenever he's.

[Heather Dinich]

He's 41 right now, he probably was 36, 37.

[Pat McAfee]

How many years out of the NFL?

[Heather Dinich]

Six, seven years maybe.

[Pat McAfee]

Just want to strap him up. Yeah. I got an opportunity to put the pads on again. I'm ready for this. I've been waiting.

[Heather Dinich]

He told me, hey. He said, hey, it'd be great, man. Like, honestly, it's funny. You go a little nine on seven. He said, they don't. They don't make you do individual drills or anything. And I was like, okay, that's. Thanks, Bob. Bob. I'm glad I'm doing it individual.

[Pat McAfee]

They don't make you. You're an adult, bro. You should say, yeah.

[Heather Dinich]

I was like, I don't know Bob, those guys are pretty but I see some of those O linemen, they would just swallow me like I don't. I'm not gonna go throw my head in there. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

How'd he perform?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

What was he like?

[Heather Dinich]

He said, he said he felt great. He said he felt good.

[Pat McAfee]

For real?

[Heather Dinich]

He said he felt really good.

[Pat McAfee]

Getting deflections on any passes or anything.

[Heather Dinich]

Oh, I'm sure, I'm sure Bobby was, you know Tommy Tryhards out there. I bet he was hustling every need tape.

[Pat McAfee]

Who was the coach? Urban.

[Heather Dinich]

That was Urban, I believe.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Does he know? But he knows Bobby.

[Heather Dinich]

No way.

[Pat McAfee]

He's not asking.

[Heather Dinich]

What do you mean? Bobby's at the Woody hayes every day.

[AJ Hawk]

42. Yeah, I think I remember that kid.

[Pat McAfee]

Remember he played good ball for us one bowl practice.

[AJ Hawk]

Got our boys kept.

[Heather Dinich]

Messing up our look. We could never get this playoff because a scout team bat middle backer was kit wrecking shot.

[Pat McAfee]

I said, who is this guy? He said, He's a 36 year old. I said, oh, that makes sense.

[Darius Butler]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

That's how he seemingly playing out there. Ryan Day, his confidence going into Indiana. I assume it's the same going in against Michigan.

[Heather Dinich]

Yeah, it's got to be, don't you think? I mean this is a whole week too like this Michigan week is a thing every single day.

[Pat McAfee]

Michigan fans are not expecting to win this game.

[Darius Butler]

No.

[Pat McAfee]

So Michigan fans aren't going to take it as hard as if Michigan beats Ohio State this year.

[Ty Schmidt]

Boy, man, no way.

[Darius Butler]

He might get fired on Monday.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Still be in the playoff. They'll still be in the. That'd be huge.

[Darius Butler]

Jim Knowles being the head coach.

[Pat McAfee]

D.C. yeah. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

If they're talking about them losing to Indiana and being out of the playoff, they lose to Michigan, they're definitely out of the playoffs.

[Pat McAfee]

Nah, I think at this point it's all good because the chaos that just took place, I think personally.

[Darius Butler]

Oh.

[AJ Hawk]

With all the other teams losing.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. That's what I, I think now it's like much more of a conversation everywhere else.

[Boston Connor]

Who would be in the Big ten championship?

[Pat McAfee]

I think Ohio State, Oregon.

[Ty Schmidt]

Even with they lost Indiana, they win Indian Penn State.

[Pat McAfee]

Hold on. Yeah, hold on. Heather Brooke.

[Heather Dinich]

Indiana does not want that. Right. Indiana does not want that.

[Pat McAfee]

So if Indiana wins in Ohio State and Penn State lose, Indiana's in.

[Heather Dinich]

Correct.

[Pat McAfee]

If Penn State loses and Ohio State and Indiana win, obviously Ohio State is in. If Ohio State loses in Penn State and Indiana win, I think common opponent Penn State's in over Indian Indiana I think is A is the way it works. Marissa from yeah, game day broke it down on the meeting in the meeting on Monday. But I think that is the case if one of them wins and the two other two lose, they're in. But if two of them win they go to obviously head to head for Ohio State, Indiana and then Penn State. Indiana. I think it's common opponent score or something.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And I think Penn State State is ahead of Indiana and that so Penn State would go through. Yeah, there's a lot of still left wide open nuts. Oh yeah, a lot of shits. Texas A and M Texas. Winner of that gets the SEC championship. Losers out like Texas.

[Heather Dinich]

All these games, like all these big games and especially games that we know like your whole season hinges on. It is. It's good, it's good to watch.

[Pat McAfee]

It is good to watch Michigan being a spoiler though after man pulling off the Bryce Underwood signing. I'd be like going into the off season on like really high.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, we're going.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we are. 21 point. Dogs think about this. Knocked him out of the entire thing. Oh no, no, they'd still be in it. Don't worry about it.

[AJ Hawk]

Ryan.

[Pat McAfee]

Everything's okay.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, they still be.

[Pat McAfee]

God damn. I hope they win for Ryan Day and his family.

[AJ Hawk]

I know they got this also. Gotta go win the whole thing too.

[Ty Schmidt]

I think they win by like Connor when he was saying about Indiana. I think that's how I feel about Ohio State versus Michigan this week by 50.

[Pat McAfee]

All right. Okay.

[Boston Connor]

Gotta play the game.

[AJ Hawk]

Feel good about ball.

[Pat McAfee]

Gotta play the game. Davis Warren swinging it against Northwestern. You got Northwestern.

[Heather Dinich]

I was watching the highlights to maybe.

[Pat McAfee]

Get some false hope about Michigan and.

[Aaron Rodgers]

It was going well.

[Darius Butler]

And then in the second quarter, Davis.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Warren just rifles one right to Northwestern safety. It's like, wow, man. I think we still might be in trouble.

[Pat McAfee]

Ohio State's so good too.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, turn nasty.

[Pat McAfee]

Watch that lost. Oregon obviously is going to get chatted about with, you know, everything judging Ohio State like Oregon. Very good football team. Very good football team. Brand new facilities on the way too when they already have state of the art facilities. It's like in the modern world they are going just like Ohio State's going in this entire thing. Mac Brown's not going to go. You got fired. No.

[AJ Hawk]

Damn sure. Chain.

[Pat McAfee]

One last game.

[Heather Dinich]

But he's coaching this week though.

[Pat McAfee]

I think it's the last game.

[Boston Connor]

One last ride.

[Heather Dinich]

That would be awkward. Would you want to do that?

[Pat McAfee]

So if you're Mac Brown, after everything you've done, would you want one last Game. I think so. Right. If I was like new or coach. Nah, I don't wanna.

[Boston Connor]

That's what I'm saying though. Why, why fire him? Yeah, why not have that maybe conversation privately? Maybe just after the reports are.

[Ty Schmidt]

They tried having these conversations privately a bunch of times being like, hey, maybe maybe retired for this year. And he said, no, I want to keep coaching.

[Pat McAfee]

So. So then right before they're bowl eligible, 6th Street bowl appearance, second longest streak in school history. Trails a seven year stretch from 92 to 98. Who Mack Brown, also the coach of that particular time. So there's a lot of stats about Mack Brown's greatness and everything he's contributed to college ball. And we like to say thank you, coach.

[Boston Connor]

Thank.

[Pat McAfee]

Thank you, coach. Now if he doesn't want to retire, you know, like he allegedly potentially said from some of the reports, AD Bubba, you know, said, well if you're not retiring, you're not coaching here. And we're going to make that announcement now. I think in Hawaii, I think. I don't know, I don't know how it all came together, but Mack Brown probably was a little bit surprised as we all were. But yeah, I don't know if he's coaching bowl game though. I don't think. I don't know. I don't know.

[Darius Butler]

I made it seem like this next game is the last one.

[Boston Connor]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Way go Mac.

[Heather Dinich]

Hell run, coach.

[Boston Connor]

One of the best national championships I have watched.

[Pat McAfee]

Texas.

[Boston Connor]

That was crazy.

[Pat McAfee]

So sweet.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, great game.

[Pat McAfee]

Loved. He came on our show and he was the one that gave us the line. When you would win, it was a relief. When you were lose, it was devastating. He said, that's what I got to Texas because the expectations were so high and it was like, oh, that's a great way to like view things. And that's. There's a lot of jobs that are like that. College football definitely, but in a lot of things there's those types of jobs. When you have a success, it's just like thank God that happened. And when you don't have a success, it's like you're the worst person on earth. He said he started feeling that a Texas. He goes back to North Carolina place he started, obviously had a lot of success with his wife, Sally Sherry.

[AJ Hawk]

Mrs. Brock.

[Pat McAfee]

No, she has a name. It's her first name. He says it all the time. Sally. All right, Sally.

[AJ Hawk]

Good poll.

[Pat McAfee]

Ms. Sally. Thank you. Ms. Sally, like very much wanted to go back into that community, Chapel Hill, because how much they loved it and moved back in there and coach and everything. So I don't know how it works out for Mac Brown going forward. I don't know if he's officially retired or if it's going to force him to retire or if he's going to go coach in West Virginia next year. Yeah, maybe. Or what's that?

[Ty Schmidt]

They might win the national championship.

[Heather Dinich]

He's sweet. Right?

[AJ Hawk]

North Carolina next year.

[Pat McAfee]

You're talking about this year?

[Ty Schmidt]

West Virginia.

[Heather Dinich]

West Virginia.

[Ty Schmidt]

Not statistically out of it.

[Pat McAfee]

Mathematically. We still have a road.

[AJ Hawk]

I'm willing to wager my right hand.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. That's binding. Okay. That is binding right there.

[AJ Hawk]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

You're not getting any right hand back. This is a one way back that you were waiting.

[Ty Schmidt]

The odds aren't high, but The Big Big 12 is just still up for grabs right now.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Jenny could potentially go in there, win that thing and then when they get in the dance, nobody wants to see them. No.

[AJ Hawk]

West Virginia, Georgia.

[Boston Connor]

Could you imagine who can really win it? Arizona State.

[Pat McAfee]

Arizona State can definitely.

[Boston Connor]

Colorado still in it?

[Pat McAfee]

No, no. They need help, I guess. Mathematically not eliminated.

[Boston Connor]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

But the loss to Kansas does not help.

[Boston Connor]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

The byu, two losses in a row. I don't think that knocks them out either. No.

[Ty Schmidt]

Arizona. Arizona State has to play Arizona. Byu. Arizona State.

[Aaron Rodgers]

State.

[Ty Schmidt]

Byu. K State. Iowa State's actually, I think most likely it's actually Arizona State, Iowa State. Iowa State's got Kansas State, though. I think so. Like, it's still all there.

[Pat McAfee]

Damn. Yeah, it is. The Big 12 is actually chaos.

[Boston Connor]

Wide open.

[Pat McAfee]

It is. It is. Lost to Kansas though, for Colorado. Don't love that. I like that Coach prime utilized it as a coaching moment. And he also said that this upcoming week is not the last time you're going to see Travis and Shador in a Colorado uniform. They will play in the bowl game. He said.

[Boston Connor]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

So I like that Coach prime is kind of like, hey, he's. Two guys could potentially be top five picks. At least one of these guys is going to be a top five pick. They're going to be playing in a bowl game no matter the goal. Because that became a real thing for a long time.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And it's like, well, if they get hurt, they're going to be judged. It's like Prime's like, it still will.

[Heather Dinich]

It will be this year, too.

[Pat McAfee]

What's that?

[Heather Dinich]

If you're not in the playoff, we'll see plenty of guys skip the bowl games.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Yeah, man. Yep. No doubt.

[Heather Dinich]

I get it. I understand the guys that do like, I, I, yeah. I don't know.

[Boston Connor]

I get it both.

[Pat McAfee]

I get it business wise, it's. It's certainly a thing. But like college, you like grow with each. No, I don't know what it's like now.

[Heather Dinich]

I agree.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, I don't know what it's like now, but they got people in.

[Heather Dinich]

Your ear from even a younger age now. Like, what is it really like? Hey, you're projected to be a first day pick. If you go to the Poinsettia bowl and you know, tear your Achilles, then you could go undrafted. Like they got people SC scaring him to death, I think.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And but one last time with the boys I think is something that doesn't it really matter as much because of the amount of transferring and everything. Even though you would hope that the teams would build up a bond enough that you would want to do that. So there's arguments for the business side of it. I could certainly see that. But like Bryce Young, Will Anderson, I think they won, what, number one and number three.

[Boston Connor]

Yep, yep.

[Pat McAfee]

In the draft they played for Alabama in non.

[AJ Hawk]

Against Kansas State playoff game.

[Pat McAfee]

And they won by. That's why like when the Florida State thing happened last year and none of their guys played, you know, there were some people saying me as well. Like, you guys lose by 50 some. That's not a good way for the story to go out, you know, that's not a way for the story, I think. Well, none of our guys played because they want. It's like I understand that move, but like just a year ago, Alabama could have done it. They are their guys. It's like it's a once again college ball. It never ends. It never ends. Which is why we can't wait for tonight. Speaking of waiting, let's wait no longer for everything. Db, good D, bad D with Darius Butler.

[Boston Connor]

Let's go, let's go. This week's theme kind of is tips and overthrows. And obviously if you are a free safety, you should thrive off of those. Xavier Mc Kenny, defensive player of the year candidate. I believe on. You got him on a watch list. Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

He's on a watch list.

[AJ Hawk]

He should be tied up there.

[Boston Connor]

Leading the NFL with seven interceptions. That's another one. Always in the right position, always reading the quarterback. We always talk about tips and overthrows all the time as defenders, all the underneath, underneath. Defenders did their job. He's in position, gets one tries to take it back in the house. Just Xavier McKinney doing his thing all year long.

[Pat McAfee]

What a guy. He was a giant.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, yeah.

[Boston Connor]

He Was love the communication that lets you know, hey, world coach, Love the disguise. If you go back to the beginning, great disguise. He's down right. Right now, looks like nobody in the middle of the field. Post snap rotates to the middle of the field, becomes a 3D. You can see the window where Brandon Allen tries to throw it to Deebo's back shoulder. Off target throw. We saw this earlier in the year with, I believe, a Minnesota Vikings interception on tip and overthrown. Very, very similar situation. When you're trying to fit into those windows as a quarterback, those zone windows, sometimes you want a receiver to sit in a certain one. When you don't have reps with that receiver, you get throws in outcomes like this.

[Pat McAfee]

This is also why accuracy is so important. Not just for completions, but also duff. If you're just off by. What's that about a foot? Yep. That's a tough catch all of a sudden.

[Boston Connor]

It's a lot for a guy running full speed.

[Pat McAfee]

And that ball is going up in the air as opposed to right here, which the difference between college and the NFL, like that is the difference. That's a separator. That is the separator.

[AJ Hawk]

And Brock Purdy being unbelievable quarterback.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Making the right decision. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Because obviously you can tell it does make a difference.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, what's. Where's the moxie of this nine? What's going on? Are they still coming out with.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, it gets posted.

[AJ Hawk]

Green Bay there.

[Ty Schmidt]

It gets posted every week.

[Darius Butler]

It's the defense, though. Their defense just doesn't feel the same. Like, that was like, their offense was always good, but every time, like when. Especially like when the packers would go play them, it's like, oh, Jesus Christ. Like their defense is just going to be flying all over the field. And it doesn't really feel like that's the case this year.

[Pat McAfee]

What do they say? D line. Vastly different than what?

[Darius Butler]

That's what Shepard says.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, let's go to the next everything.

[Boston Connor]

Db Good D. Once again, stand alone with the theme. This is a bad, bad overthrow from Kyle Murray, who's having one of his best seasons, 4th and 1. You'll see Devon Witherspoon up top come off the edge. If you run this back, we all know how athletic how. How fast Kyler Murray is. So you do kind of the boot here and watch Witherspoon. Most guys, once they take this angle, if you pause it here and you're in that position before he turns his hip almost speed, turns right. When he gets to the middle of the field and meets Kyler Murray to that sideline. It's not too many DBs, too many players that can flip their hips and do that. The overthrow here, Kobe Bryant, you don't just catch the ball, but you take that thing back to the crib. It's a huge, huge moment in this Seattle game to get them to win and take the lead in the UFC west. I believe he got fined for the old come on peace mode celebration.

[Pat McAfee]

What he do? What he do?

[AJ Hawk]

Fix his belt.

[Boston Connor]

Coming off the edge here. Obviously you want to be in there to run game. Boom. He pulls it. He understands. Can't put that foot in the ground and just go back. So hey, I got to put it in the ground. Speed, turn, beat him to the spot. I mean just pursue. Just an absolute dog. Forces a terrible, terrible overthrow from Kyler and then you pick it off and take that thing back to the crew.

[Pat McAfee]

Are the Seahawks all the way back? They're very much.

[Boston Connor]

Somebody's got to separate themselves very much.

[Pat McAfee]

And we were worried about them. Obviously. Whole new culture, whole new team. Bill's mafia took that place over.

[Boston Connor]

Gotta stop turning the ball over in the red area. You are Geno Smith. You are the Seattle Seahawks. That is the biggest thorn in their side right now. Another interception was in this game from the Cardinals, but they didn't make it because they took the L. But it was in the red area. Up 13 6. You had a field goal. I believe it was on third down. You got to throw it away. He threw it into trouble, ended up in interception.

[Pat McAfee]

They'll figure it out. They'll figure it out. I just said whoa because I saw the next play. How about the Miami Dolphins? Is this bad D?

[AJ Hawk]

It's every week with this.

[Pat McAfee]

Is this bad D?

[Boston Connor]

This is good D. This is good D. Was.

[AJ Hawk]

Are the Patriots on offense?

[Boston Connor]

No, it's every week we've shown some good Drake. You gotta win typically to get up on here on good D segment. Jalen Ramsey bringing pressure from the slot. You got a linebacker blitzing as well. Drake Mays in trouble, made an overthrow and you'll see Dobson make a phenomenal one hand catch. A couple back to back weeks now we had the big fellas on here making some super athletic plays. Not really. Overthrow not. Yeah. So coming off the block, was engaged in the block. Had his eyes back on the quarterback. Obviously you see the pressure off the edge.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, this is one of those ones where Drake may in college would have been able to get around Jalen. But now with Jalen Ramsey being Jalen Ramsey, it's like I Don't think so. Yeah, that is the difference.

[Boston Connor]

Back to back plays. You're bringing probably both of those secondary's best DBs off the edge. When you bring a DB off the edge, you expect him to be obviously the better athlete, even with these very athletic quarterbacks. Kyle Murray, last play, Drake May here, he makes a throw under, over the top, under to rest. And that's a phenomenal play from a big man right here. One handed, falling back. That's a great, great play. Had to make. Had to make the clip.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Boston Connor]

That's team defense, though. Back to back pressure leading the quarterback to a bad situation, causing a off target throw and then creating that turnover.

[Pat McAfee]

Can we get this guy's dimps? How big? How tall?

[AJ Hawk]

Good question.

[Pat McAfee]

Thanks to the Seahawks for letting him.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Go in the middle of the season, too. Dolphins just picked him up.

[Boston Connor]

Wasn't he. Was he their leading tackler or.

[Aaron Rodgers]

He was one of them.

[Pat McAfee]

Six foot, 238 guys, 240 right there.

[Boston Connor]

It's an athlete. It's an athlete. Coming off the block, falling back one handed.

[Pat McAfee]

AJ how sweet is that? That would be so cool. I'm sure you have one of these somewhere in your resume, but not everybody obviously does. That's.

[Aaron Rodgers]

What a.

[Heather Dinich]

What a play. Yeah. Coming off the block is what's most impressive. And if he doesn't catch that, I mean, that'd be a completion.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, that's a touchdown.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, here we go.

[Boston Connor]

Bad D. Bad D. Now we've seen a few of these across the league with.

[Pat McAfee]

They win the game and they're all back.

[Boston Connor]

Come on. They win the game, but this is a play. This is a teaching moment for everybody. You know, I think down bottom, running back to the very beginning. I'm all about swag. I'm all about swag down here at the nickel. You got the four by one situation. Get out there, man, have some sense of urgency, get set and be ready to flip your hips. The commanders do a good job here kind of flooding a zone. So you see they got four receivers down at the bottom of the screen, only one up top. So you got a bunch of guys running routes. You got a flat route, you got two guys clearing it out. And then you got Terry McLaurin lined up at three. He's wide receiver, number three of the four, and he's going to want to run a wheel route. And nine times out of 10, the flat defender, number two right here, he's responsible to carry that wheel route all the way up the sideline. We call this that two Number two through your zone. So the first one would be the receiver, and he's responsible for two, but you had guys deep because of the situation, so just terrible, terrible angles. This is all time bad D. It won't go in the hall of Fame like Stevenson, but I mean, it's damn near. It's a finalist. They made it to new high vision. I think two's an issue here. And I also think safety, bad angle. I mean, the corner. Butler back there. Sorry, Butler. And then it's safe to take another bat.

[Darius Butler]

Falls down.

[Boston Connor]

Scary. Terry takes it all the way to the end zone. And then the kicker missed the extra point.

[Pat McAfee]

Austin kicker. His name is Austin.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, yeah. Austin kick. I'm sorry. So. But that is bad. Bad D. You can't. Can't have that. Let down. You got lucky, won the game, but you can't have that.

[Pat McAfee]

Ladies and gentlemen, everything DB Good. Thank you, D. Botch for that. Made us smarter. Made us better. AJ you think debuts on his Thanksgiving weekend should do something for maybe a giveaway? Yeah.

[Heather Dinich]

What do you. I mean, is he going to putt again?

[Pat McAfee]

I think.

[Heather Dinich]

Did he almost make it last time?

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know. I don't know. DB yeah, shoot. The putting was not great.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Maybe move it up a little bit further. It wasn't close enough.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't. Also putting is because you have to hit so many. It's not really.

[Heather Dinich]

It is kind of do the basketball, not a football.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. You want to shoot a basketball from the stage or what do you want on the shoot?

[Heather Dinich]

I mean, I think if from the stage is almost a gimme for D, but you can't move him closer.

[Pat McAfee]

Guys.

[AJ Hawk]

Shooter agree.

[Pat McAfee]

Look at it.

[Heather Dinich]

You see the clips of him at the rec center? Just true scoring 30 and 10 every night.

[Boston Connor]

Guys down there at the wreck, we got basketball stage.

[Pat McAfee]

Is that what you want?

[Boston Connor]

Ah, let's do it.

[Darius Butler]

They're gonna hit a slap shot with the hockey sweatshirt.

[Pat McAfee]

Sweater on. Okay, so what shoot. Are you going to this one over here? Yeah. All right. D. Butch, if you put that basketball into that hoop right over yonder, we will give 30 people $500 on this Thanksgiving Tuesday.

[AJ Hawk]

Come on.

[Pat McAfee]

All you do is put the ball in the hoop. State shot, Moonshot. How you feel? Pretty good.

[AJ Hawk]

Rage finder.

[Pat McAfee]

Feels like you found out where it needs to go. Now, I will say debuts once at one time. Time a champion in here had a basketball game multiple times, but at one time. That was certainly before right now. Time the slander. No, no.

[AJ Hawk]

It's something he's never done.

[Pat McAfee]

What's that?

[AJ Hawk]

Lost to AQ and D Bone.

[Pat McAfee]

All right. Well, that was an embarrassment.

[AJ Hawk]

Ever.

[Pat McAfee]

That was an embarrassment.

[AJ Hawk]

Especially holding the belts.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, but that's the thing about our particular team. We take on all challengers. There's no way AQ&D bone should have been given an opportunity to play for the championship.

[AJ Hawk]

I agree.

[Pat McAfee]

And we said, you know what, for the good of the game, for the good of the Thunderdome, we'll let these. I'm not going to say it wasn't.

[AJ Hawk]

Good for the game either. And their team name is the Fatsos. So you can say we let these Fatsos.

[Pat McAfee]

Self proclaimed fatsos. They named themselves. Their offense, alignment. Both of them.

[Heather Dinich]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Also, that was game two, by the way. Yeah. We did win game one. So we gave them two title opportunities.

[AJ Hawk]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

Nonetheless, it wasn't a good day for any of us. Sure. Okay. Okay. Don't need to bring that up right now. We need good energy.

[AJ Hawk]

Well, don't lie about my teammate.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, one time he was champion. He's. That's not an out.

[AJ Hawk]

One time. Multiple times.

[Pat McAfee]

Multiple times. At one time, though, he was a champion. I mean, I'm sorry, I had. Multiple different times throughout the history.

[AJ Hawk]

There it is.

[Pat McAfee]

This man has been chang.

[AJ Hawk]

He's a multi champion.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes, he is.

[AJ Hawk]

There you go.

[Pat McAfee]

Multi contender as well, which is happening currently right now. You know, he's currently contending.

[AJ Hawk]

That's true.

[Pat McAfee]

Every single day. To become a champion here yet again. Because Foxy and I are the champs currently. And even when we're not playing good ball, we're still winning. And that's good news. That's all defense right there.

[AJ Hawk]

Didn't put him up yesterday, though. That's weird.

[Pat McAfee]

I was out here shooting yesterday. I was ready. I was ready. Where were you guys?

[AJ Hawk]

I was ready.

[Pat McAfee]

You were sleeping on job.

[AJ Hawk]

Sleeping on.

[Pat McAfee]

You were sleeping on job, too. You guys worried about Yukon yesterday? Dan Hurley? Me? Yeah, you guys were all worried about Dan Hurley.

[AJ Hawk]

Me, I'm worried about Mick White guy trying to live up to the main event, which, by the way, he can't no make.

[Pat McAfee]

White guy's a dog. Yeah, so is Dan Hurley. I didn't like. Okay. I know they're all wearing pink polos. Sure. How many coaches they got down there? Like how many are you allowed? Penny Hardaway, brother. He's got those boys playing. I respect Penny. I like what Memphis did. That's a big win over Yukon yesterday. One of the pink polos, though, was doing this to Dan Hurley in the Connecticut team.

[Boston Connor]

It robbed us.

[Pat McAfee]

I think that's when Dan Hurley really was at it. That was. That was the one that. I think that was the one that pushed him over the edge.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Some guy, he could do the do I know you? Thing from Urban Mind.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And then this guy's telling his team what to do. And then there's an interaction, obviously almost a fight. I think that happened. That was a great game.

[Darius Butler]

It was.

[Pat McAfee]

That was exhilarating. That was fun to watch. And then Dan Hurley coming out afterwards, cutting promos. If I called that shitty of a all, I would expect somebody to maybe. Maybe come out a little bit. Just straight up gonna get fined so much money.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, yeah.

[Heather Dinich]

Worth it.

[Darius Butler]

I gave them up today.

[Pat McAfee]

He said. He also says one of the guys I've never seen. I didn't even know he refed college basketball. He did that. Do I know you to one of the refs? He did in that moment. Guy not boxing out. You're gonna call that call.

[AJ Hawk]

Bad call.

[Pat McAfee]

Guy half ass box out. Our guy goes up and gets it at that time for the good of basketball. Okay. You're gonna call that call. Yeah. Maybe I dropped to my knees because I lost my breath because that call was so shitty. This is an actual press conference. Dan Hurley. Thank you, brother.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

You can tell his November game, too, because he wouldn't have got that tech at the end if it was a game that mattered.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, I think that's what Dan Hurley was trying to say. Are we serious? We flew all the way out here for the Maui Invitational.

[Darius Butler]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

Yukon's. Are you guys gonna go? You're throwing a football? Okay. Why? Because Yukon's loss made you think.

[Boston Connor]

Right now we need another win.

[Pat McAfee]

Love you, Dan. Well, the Yukon football team is certainly good vibes. Darius, you're going to throw that football to where? Final boss's box. All right.

[AJ Hawk]

Hit his box.

[Pat McAfee]

If Debut is able to put the ball into the final boss's box. Red one. Great move. Movie. There's other people saying other things.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

But they don't get it. The haters. You're going in to watch a rock movie about Santa Claus. Good movie.

[Ty Schmidt]

I thought it was great.

[Pat McAfee]

Thank you, Toad. That was very nice of you. There are some people have said some bad things about that movie.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

They don't know.

[Darius Butler]

People are kind of killing. I just hope more people go see it.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, I go see it. It's a rock.

[AJ Hawk]

The first week Too late.

[Boston Connor]

That had to be a big budget.

[Pat McAfee]

It's the Rock doing Santa Claus.

[Darius Butler]

Very big.

[Heather Dinich]

I'm gonna go watch.

[Ty Schmidt]

It was independent Go watch.

[Pat McAfee]

Go help. I went.

[Heather Dinich]

I will.

[Pat McAfee]

Paid for four tickets. Only two of us won.

[Darius Butler]

See, we need more people to do that. Otherwise, they're gonna be given the Rock too many more of these opportunities.

[Pat McAfee]

No, what are you talking about? There's a passion project. Red one. Come on. I know.

[Darius Butler]

I'm just saying they're not gonna be doing. Hey, rock. This cost 250 million to make. It made 22 million opening weekend.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't like that. I think more people need to know about it.

[Darius Butler]

I agree.

[Pat McAfee]

I agree.

[Darius Butler]

Although they have been marketing this like crazy. It's everywhere.

[AJ Hawk]

People didn't see it in the front row and imax. Like he watched Oppenheimer.

[Darius Butler]

That's a good point.

[AJ Hawk]

That is the way you're supposed to.

[Pat McAfee]

People didn't know that movie was out, you know, Isn't Thanksgiving weekend a big movie?

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, it is.

[Pat McAfee]

So them dropping the that before.

[Darius Butler]

And I've heard people are like, hey, Gladiator 2. You know, fuck that. I want to go see Red one.

[Pat McAfee]

Fuck that.

[Ty Schmidt]

Wicked.

[Darius Butler]

Wicked.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Which is that.

[Ty Schmidt]

Fuck that.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, give me red one.

[Pat McAfee]

Does he have another one? Gladiator 2 is coming out this weekend.

[AJ Hawk]

Last weekend it came out. People are going this weekend.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Wicked is it had, like, one of the biggest openings ever for.

[Pat McAfee]

Also go check out red one. Yeah, check out.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Moana 2 is coming out, too. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

November 27th, Moana 2 is coming out.

[AJ Hawk]

Action is right around the corner.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Boom. So we're good. We're good. But go check out Red one. Buy a couple extra tickets, too, if you're able.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah. Maybe 15 to 16 extra tickets.

[AJ Hawk]

Take your family.

[Ty Schmidt]

Moana 2 comes out. Rock probably will be the biggest star in the box office again.

[Pat McAfee]

Again. Okay, so I don't need the. What you're saying over there. I agree.

[Darius Butler]

I'm just saying, I don't know how many more, you know, tempo action movies. The Rocks can be the leading man.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, wait until you see what this Moana 2 does.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, I know, that's.

[Pat McAfee]

Listen, kid, I can go on and on. I can explain every now. Phenomenal. How about when he just drops that.

[Darius Butler]

In the middle of the Incredible. Incredible. Listen, I love the Rock. That's why more people need to go see this.

[Pat McAfee]

Love you, Dwayne. Tomorrow is when Moana 2 comes out.

[Boston Connor]

Is he getting back in the ring?

[Pat McAfee]

Moana 2 is out tomorrow. See, there's something.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, wow.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. The Rock's back.

[Darius Butler]

He'll be just fine.

[Heather Dinich]

Yep.

[AJ Hawk]

That's why they released it right after Red one.

[Pat McAfee]

Going to have both.

[Ty Schmidt]

Same.

[Pat McAfee]

Not going to. If the Rock would have wrote it maybe a little bit better, probably, if I had to guess which one. I don't read one. Okay. Did he.

[AJ Hawk]

No, no, I think.

[Heather Dinich]

Yeah, right. Wait, I'm sure he produced.

[Ty Schmidt]

I don't know if he's a writer.

[Pat McAfee]

He's a legend. I saw Fry. What's it called? Forget it. He does a giveaway with his production crew on Fridays, I think, where they pull a raffle number and people. Friday? Yeah. It's a ton of money. I think it is Friday. No, that is Dana White. I don't think it's Friday. He's giving away money. You're right. Oh, you could actually go today and get tickets at 350 to. What? To Moana, too. Let's do that. Let's do that for the good of the Rock.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, let's go see that.

[Pat McAfee]

I saw a lot of what you were saying out there about Red One.

[Heather Dinich]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

And I. Listen, I'm just. I'm just reporting what's out there.

[Pat McAfee]

Journalistic standards.

[Darius Butler]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

Exactly what you go to school for.

[Darius Butler]

Well, you know, I may been a film major, so, you know, I might know a or two about, you know, box office receipts and, you know, what stuff's tracking to do what stuff. How much stuff needs to make for considering the budget. And like I said, you know, every time you turn on espn, you're seeing a Red One commercial. And we just.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, but I saw that. That older lady who. She dropped herself commercial on ESPN too. There's.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, yeah, the Lifeline lady.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, there it is. Yeah, she fell and she couldn't get up.

[AJ Hawk]

She died.

[Pat McAfee]

No, she got.

[Darius Butler]

She had the button.

[Pat McAfee]

She had the button.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, Life alert.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, Life alert.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Heather Dinich]

I see Dano. I see Dano a lot. Always pumping up the insurance people on that commercial.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah. Him and Laura, I believe, are in an insurance commercial Nationwide. J is in a lot of commercials.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Dick Miller, Light. There was another one. Let's see. Jason Peon with the Watts. They. The whole family. Yeah, yeah, they're. Jason Kelsey's in a lot of them. He's in a lot of commercials. Love those. He's in a lot of commercials. Jason Kelsey's in a lot of commercials. He's got to be getting paid so much money for all those commercials.

[Heather Dinich]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I think a big problem with commercials is they're always the same one. You need diversity of the commercials.

[AJ Hawk]

Shane Gillis, Bud Light.

[Heather Dinich]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

All of them are so good.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And I think he has a pretty.

[AJ Hawk]

Good part of the newest one is hilarious him.

[Pat McAfee]

And who's this guy? His writing partner.

[Darius Butler]

It's the guy. It's not the guy from tires was in.

[Heather Dinich]

He does his podcast with.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Matt McCusker or whatever.

[Pat McAfee]

Matt McCusker.

[Heather Dinich]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

They.

[Pat McAfee]

Which is smart by them. We'll take. We'll take it from here. Nurse.

[AJ Hawk]

You know Bingo stone.

[Pat McAfee]

Col. Steve Austin with the. Vince McMahon's forehead. Got it from here.

[Heather Dinich]

That was a good one.

[Pat McAfee]

That was great.

[Darius Butler]

I never watched that in a while.

[Pat McAfee]

I enjoyed watch that now. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, Jay Butler. A Yukon man. Yeah. A nine year NFL vet. One of the biggest brains in football. You know the 33rd team got hired to led by Tannenbaum and also Adam Gase in there.

[Darius Butler]

Sure.

[Ty Schmidt]

Were they on the jets before?

[Pat McAfee]

Yep, they've been there. They know the bill building. Yeah. They've both exited the building. But they do know the workings of the building. They are being hired as a consultation firm by the Johnsons to find their next general manager coach. If we were ever to get hired or paid millions of dollars from an NFL team to help them and consult them, this man's brain would be a masterpiece of that. You're talking about football brain through and through.

[H]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You're talking about phenomenal athlete. Talking about great human, great dad. Now can you be a great man for 30 people on this Thanksgiving week? They're gonna wake up on Thanksgiving morning. Now, the winners will not be paid by Thanksgiving.

[Heather Dinich]

No.

[Pat McAfee]

But they'll know it's coming.

[AJ Hawk]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

And they'll say, what am I thankful for this year? I'm thankful that D. Busch in a Florida Panthers sweater put a football into the final boss's box. You 30 people, $500 short as.

[AJ Hawk]

I mean short as it's on.

[Heather Dinich]

Good line.

[Ty Schmidt]

Good line.

[Pat McAfee]

AJ Hawk is over in Ohio on this glorious Thanksgiving week. What is your message? To Debut as he attempts to win 30 people $500.

[Heather Dinich]

Well, does debuts have his ears in? Does he have.

[Pat McAfee]

Here, we'll relay the message.

[Heather Dinich]

That's all right. Positive. Yeah. Thumbs up Debut. You're going to kill it. Good job. Relay that.

[Pat McAfee]

He said thumbs up. Good job. You're gonna kill it. Relay that pretty piss poor message.

[Darius Butler]

Certainly.

[Heather Dinich]

I don't want to give you a long thing to translate.

[Pat McAfee]

He didn't want to give you a long thing to translate. You know he's actually talking to me. He wasn't talking anyways. 30 people, 500. Still has not given you a good message at all. Win in spite of AJ Happy Thanksgiving. Age into 30 who just won $500. All you got to do is repost this post, say something nice to somebody, put what you're thankful for, and also put the easiest way to pay you digitally. We can't thank you enough. Great work, D. Butch. Great work this week. We're thankful for you, buddy.

[Boston Connor]

Thank you, AJ.

[Pat McAfee]

We're off Thursday and Friday. Great motivation from aj. That big thumbs up really sealed the day hard. Right? We'll be back tomorrow. Before we get out of here, though, we missed a birthday yesterday. Snuck by.

[Darius Butler]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

We should have known. Should have had a little bit of a glow to him yesterday, didn't he? Yeah, he's kind of floating and hovering around.

[AJ Hawk]

Boy, I'm bummed out about this, aren't you?

[Pat McAfee]

Whose birthday was yesterday, Connor?

[AJ Hawk]

Whose birthday was yesterday?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, who do you think?

[AJ Hawk]

Well, of course, we all know November 25th is one of our favorite days.

[Pat McAfee]

It certainly is.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah. You know, a lot of people are in this office, and I know all their birthdays, so that's why. That's exactly why I didn't say happy birthday to.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Is it?

[Pat McAfee]

Connor?

[AJ Hawk]

Deebo.

[Pat McAfee]

Happy birthday.

[Boston Connor]

Happy birthday, Deebo.

[Pat McAfee]

Happy birthday to you.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Happy.

[Pat McAfee]

Happy birthday to you. T. Bout if you could come out to the J. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday. Proud of you, buddy.

[AJ Hawk]

Happy belated Happy birthday.

[Ty Schmidt]

Get back on the bulldozer outside.

[Heather Dinich]

Love you, Deo.

[Ty Schmidt]

When you asked Connor, I thought it was his birthday yesterday.

[Pat McAfee]

No, no, no, no. Connor had no idea whose birthday it was. Soccer. Could tell by his face over there. Way to pull that one off.

[Heather Dinich]

Come on.

[AJ Hawk]

Well, I know everyone's birthday, so.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, of course that was the one. We didn't know. Yeah. No. Newest to the building. Got a text from Zito last night. Screenshotting, I believe, Debone's girlfriend's Instagram story or something like that or. Yeah, we missed it. That's exactly what he said. That's exactly what he said. We missed it. Want a cake for tomorrow? Yes. Have to. So, D Bone, we apologize for missing it. Happy birthday to you. Bud's a weapon football guy who just taught himself how to become a graphic designer. Every once in a while, that football guy thing just shows up in the middle of his graphic designing job, and it's beautiful. And he does dress like a true. Yeah, I mean, he.

[Ty Schmidt]

It would be fine if he didn't. If the tossel hat wasn't on all day.

[AJ Hawk]

As soon as he runs hot, though. Okay.

[Boston Connor]

His 33 fits are the best.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, in basketball, I guess, is certainly something. I mean, I appreciate that he gets Out. He's pretty good jumper. Oh, yeah. Pretty good jumper. Like, good jumper, I would say. Always wants to play the pickup because he's 25 years old.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

Called out. AQ loses three nothing. AQ. Obviously, AQ was not going to lose that game. There was no chance that game was either ending or with an AQ win. That is how that was going to go. But Debone has been a fantastic addition to Thunder, though. I enjoy the. Out of him dressing as Cane. Full go.

[Darius Butler]

So good.

[AJ Hawk]

Fantastic.

[Heather Dinich]

That was good.

[Pat McAfee]

That was walking in, seeing his ass just sitting there.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Typing on a computer.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah. And not realizing, like, hey, you could you get into this? Get up at, you know, 11:35, but he drove in at 7:00am Full makeup on.

[Pat McAfee]

Incredible.

[Darius Butler]

Incredible.

[Pat McAfee]

Dude's awesome. And his. His graphics are.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Real deal.

[Darius Butler]

Top notch.

[Pat McAfee]

Takes a lot of pride. And he works his ass off. Football guy, so we're lucky. Happy birthday. Happy you survived another year. Can't wait for another trip around the. Maybe this year we eat stuff.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

The right stuff.

[Pat McAfee]

Not mashed potatoes.

[AJ Hawk]

That's not what I'm saying.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Happy birthday, Debo.

[Boston Connor]

Paige.

[Pat McAfee]

We'll see you tomorrow. All right, boys, in the back. Great work. Great work today, boys. Really good. Graphics department. Way to go. Happy birthday.

[Heather Dinich]

Way to go.

[Pat McAfee]

Guys make great work with the cake.

[Darius Butler]

Not a baby mitt.

[Heather Dinich]

Yeah. Candles were lit.

[Pat McAfee]

Candles were lit.

[Darius Butler]

You did a good job.

[Pat McAfee]

Covered it the whole time.

[Ty Schmidt]

Where the Is depot.

[Pat McAfee]

Golly.

[Darius Butler]

Yep. Had one of those.

[Heather Dinich]

Golly. Mitt's awesome, man.

[Pat McAfee]

He is. He's the best. All right. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. Might change your life. We're in this thing together. Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three. Team goodbye.