PMS 2.0 1257 - OVERREACTION MONDAY, NFL Week 14 Recap, Adam Schefter, Puka Nacua, Bill Belichick, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1257

Episode Details:

• Title: PMS 2.0 1257 - OVERREACTION MONDAY, NFL Week 14 Recap, Adam Schefter, Puka Nacua, Bill Belichick, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk
• Release Date: December 9, 2024
• Host: Pat McAfee, alongside AJ Hawk, the Toxic Table, and Tone Digs

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1. College Football Playoff Bracket Controversy

Discussion Highlights: Pat McAfee opens the show expressing strong criticism of the College Football Playoff (CFP) bracket release timing and selections. He highlights the controversial inclusion of SMU over Alabama, questioning the committee's decision-making process.

Notable Quotes:

• Pat McAfee [00:00]: "The College Football Playoff bracket has been released in the dumbest decision... SMU gets in over Alabama. Whoa."
• Pat McAfee [01:04]: "Paid 13 grand for the sweet... the worst viewing experience that you could ever imagine."

Insights: Pat and his colleagues dissect the implications of SMU's inclusion, debating whether Penn State has been given an easier path compared to the top-ranked Oregon Ducks. They express frustration over the CFP committee's lack of transparency and the overlapping media buzz with NFL broadcasts.

2. NFL Week 14 Recap

Chiefs’ Dominance: Pat praises the Kansas City Chiefs, emphasizing their consistent performance and strategic play-calling. He discusses kicker Matthew Wright's crucial field goals, solidifying the Chiefs' position at the top of the league.

Notable Quotes:

• Pat McAfee [08:05]: "The Chiefs are still the Chiefs. Always will be the Chiefs."
• Pat McAfee [09:50]: "Patrick Mahomes has it, he's going to score. Any other person... you're going to mess it up."

Oregon Ducks’ Victory: The Oregon Ducks secure the number one spot, raising questions about the playoff path's fairness, especially regarding Boise State and Texas. Pat applauds the Ducks’ performance but remains skeptical about the playoff committee's fairness.

Notable Quotes:

• Pat McAfee [03:26]: "Oregon ends up winning. They're the number one team in the country."

3. Bill Belichick’s Potential Move to College Football

Discussion Highlights: A significant portion of the episode focuses on rumors about NFL legend Bill Belichick considering a transition to college football coaching. Pat engages with ESPN’s Adam Schefter, who provides insights into potential negotiations between Belichick and the University of North Carolina (UNC).

Notable Quotes:

• Pat McAfee [28:32]: "Tom Brady just essentially broke down situational football... Is he going to get some shit now for critiquing Sean McDermott?"
• Adam Schefter [37:55]: "There are ongoing conversations between him and the university. He definitely is considering it."

Insights: Adam Schefter elaborates on Belichick’s motivations, suggesting a passion for coaching and influencing the next generation. The discussion touches on the structural similarities between college and NFL programs, highlighting Belichick’s expertise as a potential asset to college football.

Notable Quotes:

• Adam Schefter [73:24]: "If I was in a college program... it would be an NFL program at a college level."

4. Sam Darnold and the Minnesota Vikings’ Quarterback Situation

Discussion Highlights: The conversation shifts to Sam Darnold’s impressive performance with the Vikings, juxtaposed with Kirk Cousins' struggles. Pat and his team debate the future of both quarterbacks, considering contract negotiations and team dynamics.

Notable Quotes:

• Pat McAfee [34:41]: "Congrats to Juan. Let's get back to football now."
• Darius Butler [25:30]: "Josh Allen has been absolutely phenomenal all year long, just getting better and better."

Insights: Darnold’s resurgence is discussed as a potential turning point for the Vikings, with speculation about future contracts likened to high-value NFL deals. The panel weighs the Vikings' defensive strength against Darnold’s offensive prowess, considering how this affects their playoff ambitions.

5. Special Teams Plays and Rules Changes

Blocked Field Goals: Pat delves into recent special teams plays, notably blocked field goals that have altered game outcomes. He highlights specific instances from games involving the Packers and Saints, debating the legality and strategic implications of these blocks.

Notable Quotes:

• Pat McAfee [206:46]: "Everyone's getting fed up and frustrated with it, that guy."
• Pat McAfee [225:56]: "Field goal blocks are changing the outcome of games and seasons."

Insights: The panel discusses how recent rule changes and defensive strategies have empowered teams to influence games through special teams, raising questions about consistency and fairness in officiating these plays.

6. Contracts and Player Transactions

Juan Soto’s Record-Breaking Contract: Pat and his team discuss Juan Soto’s unprecedented contract in baseball, dissecting its implications for player salaries and team payrolls.

Notable Quotes:

• Pat McAfee [12:16]: "Juan Soto just signed for $765 million. That's insane."
• Darius Butler [13:41]: "It's just, you know, leverage-wise, it just."

Insights: The conversation emphasizes the financial disparities in baseball contracts, comparing Soto's deal to those of NFL stars and debating the long-term impact on team dynamics and competitive balance.

7. Fan Reactions and Overreactions

Fan Sentiments: Throughout the episode, Pat encourages fans to share their reactions to ongoing sports events. He highlights several overreactions from fans, illustrating the passionate and sometimes humorous nature of sports fandom.

Notable Quotes:

• Pat McAfee [237:13]: "I'm putting on a holiday sweater... Stoked for us on the first floor."
• Pat McAfee [242:00]: "Everybody needs to get there. Yes."

Insights: Pat underscores the emotional rollercoaster that fans experience, particularly during playoff season and contentious game outcomes. He promotes a positive outlook, urging fans to support each other and celebrate victories.

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Notable Mentions:

• Pat McAfee [57:35]: "Download the PrizePicks daily Fantasy Sports app today and use code TPMS."
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Concluding Thoughts:

Pat McAfee and his co-hosts navigate a diverse array of topics, blending insightful sports analysis with engaging banter. From controversial playoff decisions and legendary coaching transitions to record-breaking contracts and passionate fan reactions, the episode offers a comprehensive overview of the current sports landscape. Notably, the potential move of Bill Belichick to college football stands out as a game-changing discussion point, highlighting the intersection of NFL expertise and collegiate sports development.

Key Takeaway: The episode encapsulates the dynamic and often tumultuous nature of sports, emphasizing strategic decision-making, financial implications, and the unyielding passion of fans. Pat McAfee successfully balances critical analysis with entertaining commentary, making the show a must-listen for sports enthusiasts seeking both depth and humor.

Transcript

[Pat McAfee]

Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome, on this magical overreaction. Monday, December 9, 2024. This program starts now. Football is amazing, and we're right in the middle of the thick of it. Listen, the College Football Playoff bracket has been released in the dumbest decision I think, that has ever been made in sports television of recent memory. That bracket was put out at 12:20 Eastern yesterday on an NFL Sunday. So that thing got a good 40 minutes of buzz before the NFL kicked off. You know, like 93 of the top hundred watched games or watched television programs are NFL games. So to feel as if you have to put this, which is obviously electrifying, SMU gets in over Alabama. Whoa. People are saying Penn State gets an easy road. Now all of a sudden, is it supposed to be an easier road for the number one overall team or instead the team that they, they beat in the Big Ten championship that we didn't get to see? A lot of damn shame.

[Darius Butler]

Wait.

[Pat McAfee]

Paid 13 grand for the sweet. Paid 13 grand to watch that game on Saturday for it to be in the suite.

[Ty Schmidt]

Third quarter was awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

Third quarter was sweet fun. First two quarters, that was the view out of the suite for the entirety of it all. Wow. Yeah. And I'll tell you, that camera got some sweet shots. Now, they never used them. No. On the broadcast, unfortunately. But we were able to see him because, you know the guy with the, the hair here controlling the rig on the far left side. It's not his fault. He's just his job.

[Ty Schmidt]

Right.

[Pat McAfee]

But he had a big TV in front of him that was on the left side showing the shots that he was getting. And then on the right shot side showing a program. And that thing was three feet, four feet away from us the entire time. Directly in eyesight of everything. So we saw all the shots he was getting. They were nice. Hey, listen, you got a 20 foot crane that you put a camera on.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Right in front of people that paid thousands and thousands of dollars to watch Big Ten championship game. You're going to get some sweet shots. He even sent that thing up at us. We could have touched that thing a couple times because it was going through. So at one point it was me, then 3ft in front of my face crane, and then the game was happening behind it and you're like, well, just look at the Jumbotron. Then there it is. Then that thing would go right in front of the Jumbotron. I mean, it was. It was the worst viewing experience that you could ever imagine. Crapshoot at a Live event. With that being said, the lads had a. We had a good time. It was a great time.

[AJ Hawk]

Very fun.

[Pat McAfee]

We had a great time in there. And we'll say this great game too. Yeah. Yeah. We went from watching Dare to there to who were dodging third quarter. They moved it out of the way where I don't think it would blocked anybody's view. Didn't certainly that the. The way the stadium was built. That area was for. If you have a beo that needs to come to the game and can't get on the sideline, that is the place you put it at. Hey, if you have a crane that you want to put it, this is the place to put it in. Try it out for the third quarter. I don't think the cameraman likes shots here. Again. Once again, none of them were used in the actual broadcast.

[Ty Schmidt]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

But I don't think he brings that son of a right back over. And to be clear, thank you to the Penn State fans that filled that place up. A lot of Oregon fans. It was all long travel. I was looking for Lambo because I think we knew where the coaches section was and where the family section was in. Lambo was came out because his kid coaches out there thought he was couldn't find him because there was a good amount of Oregon people. I would say it was like 75, 25. Yeah, that's 25% Oregon people. 75% Staters long way loud.

[Ty Schmidt]

Very loud.

[Pat McAfee]

Penn State fans were very, very. So were the Oregon fans. But it was only like 25% of the. The Penn State fans were loud. The loud house was very loud. It was a game, okay. Oregon ends up winning. They're the number one team in the country. Then people look at their avenue. So they have a harder road than Penn State does. Penn State, all they gotta do is beat smu who's not even supposed to be in. Remember, because they got in for Alabama, it's like look out for that SMU team. Very good. This is not just a rollover. And in Boise State, who's Boise? I don't think many of you have watched Boise State. Oregon had Boise State, like week two struggled. Very close game. We've seen what Oregon has done to basically everybody but Wisconsin in Wiscon. Boise State, great team as well, but everybody's wondering why do they get an easier road than the number one team? And then Texas, okay, they lose the SEC championship, they get Clemson. Clemson hasn't even been in this entire thing. It's like Clemson hit a 56 yarder to win that ACC championship. That was electrifying to watch. Hell of a kick out of that kid.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Freshman, I guess his mom was captain of Clemson soccer team. Dad, like captain of Clemson basketball or baseball or something like that. So this kid has been in the Clemson athletic department since he was born. Then he hits a 56 yarder in the freezing cold. I get freezing cold. Is certainly a win cold for them. Cold as hell down there. And he just knocks that home after they ice him too. It's like, that's a big time kick. And that game was 24 7. At one point, Clemson was up over SMU and we thought SMU was going to get booted because they just got boat racing. The ACC championship going to be hard to put them in over Alabama, who was already in. Instead, smu, Kevin Jennings and the boys come marching back. Make that a game. Comes down to a late last second bomb of a field goal from a young kid. Congrats to him hitting that. But yeah, there was chaos for the College Football Playoff committee and for the bracket for about 20 minutes. Sure, 20 minutes. You keep that on Tuesday night, which they've done all year. Tuesday has been the bracket reveal or the rankings reveal, which then leads to the bracket. It's like we have to talk about today. Alabama people are pitching their case today. SMU people are pitching their case today. Lane Kiffin's probably tweeting this entire thing. Shane Beamer and the South Carolina team are like, hold on now. If we're going to open the doors here, what are we doing? Rest of the world's burying the sec. SEC is fighting back about how great they are versus everybody else. That's conversation until up till tomorrow night.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And then you have the aftermath on Wednesday. So now. And then Wednesday you can roll out all the other bowl games, too. So now that's like Saturday to Thursday.

[AJ Hawk]

Damn near a whole week.

[Pat McAfee]

But instead, let's force this thing out so people only have breakfast with their bitching. You know, that's all they're going to have after championship thing. And then we got the NFL kicking off 20 minutes later. So I think that was a tactical flaw with that being said. Got a good bracket. And it all starts in beautiful Indiana as Notre Dame host Kurt Signetti in the Indiana Hoosiers. And I heard Coach Sig on the CBS show, which was the ones who had the crane.

[AJ Hawk]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Shout out. Cbs. We appreciate that. Shout out. We do appreciate getting good shots. Never used them. No.

[AJ Hawk]

Should have, but should they were definitely should have.

[Pat McAfee]

There was a drone that Was flying around. There was a sky cam from the other side and then there was also this mega crane which obviously gets great. We never saw the left side of the screen match up with the right side of the screen, unfortunately. And it was a bummer because we were actually trying to watch the game through this guy's TV a couple times because we couldn't see anything in there.

[Boston Connor]

Great game.

[Pat McAfee]

But Sig going up, the Notre Dame. That's beautiful for the state of Indiana. Although we all wanted warm versus cold here in Indiana. This thing's mega. And if you look at the ticket prices now for these games, the resale ticket prices from our friends at Sea Geek since the matchups were announced. Okay, this is since the matchups were announced and tickets are for sale. The Indiana Notre Dame game. Average resale price of a ticket right now on Sea Geek, 1,631 bucks. Now granted, I don't know how many people are reselling. Right. That's a big time season ticket. Generations Notre Dame, we've been there. So how many tickets are for sale versus everywhere else? Is that why the price is so much? But that's what's going on there. Clemson, Texas, obviously $750, $500 for Tennessee, Ohio State on Columbus on that Saturday at 8 o'clock at night. That place should be rocking.333 for SMU Penn State and that should be a blast. I think that's a noon game.

[Darius Butler]

Yep.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

They got another noon game.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yes they do.

[Pat McAfee]

They got another noon game. Penn State. I don't know how it all plays out, but yeah, this Indiana Notre Dame game here in the state that we live is actually awesome. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

So pumped.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean it is a very fantastic thing. Congrats. College football and hell having a hell of now that's eight minutes on a Monday. The NFL happened yesterday.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yes, it did.

[Pat McAfee]

And whenever I say the NFL happened, I mean there are story lines that are literally continuing to heat up. The Chiefs are still the Chiefs. Boink. Good shout to. That's a third string kicker, Harrison Bucker, all pro guy who negotiated his own deal, gives speeches at graduations, kicks balls very well. Then Spencer Schrader comes in. He wins a game for him. He gets hurt. This is Matthew Wright, third kicker and obviously I think he hit a 50 yard last week. He makes another kick in this game. They banks one home to win. That's what the Chiefs do. The Chiefs are still the Chiefs. Always will be the Chiefs. I had an incredible opportunity yesterday morning to go on NFL game day morning. And I Said Chargers. Getting four in this particular game feels like a layup whenever we're talking about gambling because this Chiefs team, the stats are wild against the spread. Obviously they're 12 and one now. They're, you know, sole AFC home field advantage guys for the rest of the year is what we're thinking. But the way they win is always the same exact way. Hang around, hang around, hang around, hang around, hang around. Then when you have to make a play, they make it. And guess who made the play. Whenever they needed a play to ice the clock and put this thing to sleep, it was Patrick Mahomes. Boom. Now that's obviously the worthy. The game that iced it, the play that iced it late in the fourth was him and Travis Kelce. Third and seven Chargers get a stop here. They're going to be able to get the ball back after the field goal instead. First down, Travis Kelce. That's what we're trying to do. I'm just going to kneel here. You guys want to come take a shot? That's sweet. They kneel it out. Matthew Wright, who's just the third string kicker, comes out, banks at home and wins it. But whenever they have to make a play, they make it. And I don't think it's luck at this point. I think we just need to understand that whenever it's 20 to 19 in cornhole or there's one cup left in beer pong.

[AJ Hawk]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Or in ping Pong, it's 10 to 9 or something like that. Any of those moments, Cornhole, beer pong, ping pong, any of those things. When Patrick Mahomes has it, he's going to score. Any other person for some reason is going to mess it up. That is just who this Chiefs team has been. And I know in the past one score of Victors have not boated well in the playoffs. They have. These guys are really good in the playoffs. And that style is not fun to bet on. It's not that fun to watch anymore. It is a gruesome battle every single time. But in the end it's as if the script has been written. This 29 year old is going to end up winning it. And congrats to the Chiefs. Unreal. Now is he the best player in football or is it Josh Allen? And how about the Seahawks? Are they taking a commanding control of the NFC West? How about the Pittsburgh Steelers? Are they going to win a Super Bowl? So many questions and obviously we got to chat about it all the talks. Tables here at Boston, Connor and that Ty Schmidt. Sweet hoodie con man.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, thank you very much. You know, me and Tone talked about it. Army kind of got robbed and monkey. And I hope he stays with West Point forever. You know, he's a fantastic coach, and the fact that they're not in the playoff kind of stinks. But Army Navy week, you know, kind of the only college football game. You figure give him a little bit of love this week.

[Pat McAfee]

Absolutely. You should shout out to America. Monkins Dame is up for a lot of those jobs, I guess. You know, he's been in army for a long time, 57 years old, has had great success. He's rallying for Bryson Daly to get to New York for the Heisman. We shall see how it goes. Ty Schmidt, how you doing? Great weekend for the Big Ten.

[Ty Schmidt]

Unbelievable weekend for the Big Ten. Unbelievable. I mean, you know, granted, I'm going to go ahead and just say Oregon is a Big Ten member. Okay, Oregon's a Big Ten member. A lot of people saying, hey, you know, Pac 12 team comes in, wins the Big Ten the first year. Oregon's a Big Ten team now. So I'm going to. I'm going to wear that proudly. They are a Big Ten team. It was an unbelievable weekend until late last night, Juan Soto decided not to resign with Yankees. But they're here, nor there.

[Pat McAfee]

We're talking baseball.

[Ty Schmidt]

Well, I mean, we could talk baseball, but. But the amount of money that that guy signed for. 785 million.

[Pat McAfee]

65. 65. Could go up to 800, though, with escalators. I mean, there's amount of.

[Ty Schmidt]

It will. It will. You know, and it's tough because I love this guy and now I have to absolutely fucking hate his guts because the Yankees offered him 16 years and 760 million and he wanted an extra 5.5 million bucks to go where you know, there's not as much pressure. You know, he wants to be the guy himself. That's okay. But five, almost $6,000 an hour for the next 15 years.

[Pat McAfee]

Now, I showcase my math here. I gave every month 30 days.

[Zito]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

If you do 12 times 30, it's 360, not 365. So you could do it around 50, 500 bucks a day or an hour for the next 15 years for Juan Soto. Kids get a bet.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Now get a sweet batter stance, do a lot of good stuff, and just start hitting dong shots. They're paying over there. That is so much cash.

[Ty Schmidt]

Insane.

[Pat McAfee]

And I don't know how they're making it. I don't know how they're making money in baseball. I Have no idea. I guess hat sales are phenomenal. I know that some of these stadiums fill up, obviously, on a regular basis, so that whole thing works. But as a league, if you're talking about, like, ratings and television deals and everything. Relevance, conversation. The fact that one dude, not just one, I guess there's a couple now at this point, although they've deferred it for the rest of their lives. Shohei obviously able to get whatever he commands. 765 million at the bottom. His contract fully guaranteed. 800 million potentially at the top. It's like, I didn't know baseball still had it like that. No. Congrats to baseball. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Congrats to Juan Soto. That's. It's just insane. It's. It's very hard to wrap your head around that. Like, you look at all the stuff coming out, too, like Brady's career earnings combined with LeBron's career earnings, and they're still like $75 million short of what Soto just signed for. Like, it's. It's insane. But, hey, tell you what. If you get. If you see $765 million on a paper presented to you.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, man.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Probably a docusign.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Nowadays.

[Ty Schmidt]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

You open that email, you have a DocuSign from Steve Cohen, and you open that thing up because you put your name right here. Just right here. If you just don't even have to be a good one. If you just fat finger it. $765 million. Okay. Yep. How do I deal? Yeah. Who was he with? He was Scott Boris. He was. No, that's his agent. He was with, I think Spida. Yeah, Spida.

[Ty Schmidt]

It looked like it in the Instagram video.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I saw a dumping of champagne and hot tub, the whole thing. Go ahead and celebrate for the rest of your life, bud. You did great. And shout out to baseball. And I didn't like that. Baseball purists come out and started pointing out all the stats about the Pittsburgh Pirates payroll for the last 15 years versus this one deal and how it's going to go. And they start, you know, nitpicking about how this is what's unfair about baseball. I concur, but until it's not possible, give me the owner that's going to overpay every time because I happen to be from Pittsburgh. And that owner never spends and they never are going to win. So people are saying he's. He's doing it the right way, though. It's like, okay, how about when Steinbrenner was running the Yankees? The old the cheap. Whatever the hell they called.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, the Boss.

[Pat McAfee]

Boss. There it is. Well, I thought the Boss was.

[AJ Hawk]

There's only one Boss.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, well, George. George was around before Springsteen was. I love spring.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, I was talking about the final bus. The Rock. Okay. Okay. Yeah, yeah, you're. Of course. But when Steinbrenner was paying for championships, it's like all the other owners could have done it too, right? They chose not to. So Cohen deciding to do this, I think, is good for the Mets. Congrats to you. And I hope it works out, because everybody else they've signed, it has not worked out. Right.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, kind of. It's kind of one of those things where they're like the jets or, you know, some of those teams, if you root. Root for them in, like, the New York area, like, for whatever reason, kind of just cursed and it just never works. So we'll. We'll see. Maybe, you know, you sign a guy to $765 million contract, you're expecting, you know, the tides to turn a little bit.

[Pat McAfee]

Michael Cole believes they're the kings of New York.

[Ty Schmidt]

No, they're not.

[Pat McAfee]

But start spreading the news. I'm leaving today. I wanna be a part of it. Mets Baseball. Mets baseball? Is that what it is?

[Ty Schmidt]

I mean, now they can go out and prove it. They have that opportunity. So, you know, I think he was maybe trying to get away from the. The limelight and the pressure that comes.

[AJ Hawk]

With being a Yankee.

[Ty Schmidt]

Wants to go be a Met, but now you're saying, hey, they're the kings of New York, so.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm not saying it. I'm just telling you what Michael Col. Cole texted me.

[Ty Schmidt]

So if that's the case. Better not choke.

[Pat McAfee]

Whoa.

[Ty Schmidt]

Better not choke.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah. Cole's fan of a few other teams.

[Ty Schmidt]

Jets, same deal. Hey, they were supposed to win the super bowl this year, right? 3 and 10. He knew better, though, you know, and their roster's pretty damn good, man.

[Pat McAfee]

They had the one yesterday, too.

[Ty Schmidt]

I know they did.

[Pat McAfee]

They did.

[Ty Schmidt]

First game, Rogers thrown for over 300 yards.

[Pat McAfee]

He's high, stepping out of tackles. Yep.

[Darius Butler]

Look spry.

[Pat McAfee]

He did it. Looks bright. It was a holy hell. Like it was. There was parts of that game yesterday where I was watching, I'm like, hey, they must have talked to been like, hey, we should at least see what we can look like, you know? We should at least see. Although this year's not going how we want to go, and we are basically eliminated from all contention, we might as well see what we could have been, you know, Lazard gets Back off an injury for a while. Let's go ahead and do this thing. And they did. They did and they did. They looked good at football. The jets fans were like, where's, where's this? Where's this? This has been available. We had no idea this is available. And then all of a sudden, the Miami Dolphins hit a 52 yard field goal to tie this thing up late in the fourth. And watch what Tua does here. Now listen, this is the part where I thought, man, the jets, look at this. Yeah, Tua's like celebrating in this thing. Jacked up, right, Doing the whole thing. And then they cut to the jets side. The jets sideline, very different, obviously. Guy just hit a 52 yard and I'm like, is Tua about to will his team to it? Lo and behold, they did. Let's go to one half of the hammer, Don Cowboys. Bubba Gumpino. Gumpy. Congrats, you Dolphins.

[Michael Cole]

Tua's first overtime game he's ever played in in the NFL, 6 to 7. Led him to the wind. Jonu Smith, no catches all game. Just fed him that drive and that was. He dropped that ball in a bucket for the winner here. I mean, I thought they were dead. And I'm happy for Malik Washington because he dropped that fumble in PAT in the packers game and he had the.

[Zito]

Big return where he absolutely ran over.

[Michael Cole]

Anders Carlson to get him in field goal position.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that was an interesting technique there by Carlson. You know, seemed like he wanted to do like a wrestling shoulder bump with him. Stand up and take this thing chest to chest and just get absolutely demolished. But look at the time. 52 seconds left. The jets just took a 3 point lead. Can't give up a big return. Uh, he's out the gate. Just a little bit of lower base there. That was a Rams to a kicker. Don't love anything about that. The back view doesn't make it any better for the kicker. But I like that he got his body in the way. He said, you know what, I'm going to slow this guy down. Not just going to give up a touchdown. Let me slow him down so my friends can come in. That's perfect football. Now. He should have pushed him back inside. I think where a lot of his friends are potentially coming from. The only thing he did is he accidentally shot the inside shoulder and that's what he was doing there. He wasn't, you know, he wasn't trying to make the tackle, he was just trying to kind of shoot and he slowed him down and it was like a Steeple chase situation there. You know, whenever you're running and then you get up to that hurdle and there's a bunch of water on the backside. It just slows you down. That's exactly what Carlson was, just slows you down. Then he jumped over in the water. Then they tackled him. That's right. Then he still had to hit a 52 yard after that. Jason Sanders. He did. Congrats to the Dolphins. Honestly. Still in it, still lurking.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Michael Cole]

Never lost to the Patriots or the jets to a 12 0.

[Pat McAfee]

Damn. Yeah. I mean never won anything either.

[AJ Hawk]

Like little unfair though because big Boom AJ was on the sideline bringing to Boom one.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh massive comeback overtime dub. The Costco crew is downer on South.

[Michael Cole]

There was a rumor too that Big justice said when they went into overtime he went to 2 and said lock in Iceman. He said, I got you, bro. I'm about to bring five booms.

[Pat McAfee]

Five big booms. I think if I read the actual Tua said, I'm gonna bring you boom boom boom boom boom. Five big Tua booms. Big justice said, do that. And they did. Or I'm hanging out with Buckle Town Beach Boys. One half of the Hammer Cowboys. AP tone now the Dolphins get a win over the jets, obviously. The Chiefs get a massive doink win. They remain at the top of the world. The Philadelphia Eagles, they struggle against Carolina Panthers. I thought they were going to cover there, you know, I thought this was going to be a weekend where Nick Sirianni says, yeah, this is who we are. I thought this was going to be a weekend. The Carolina Panthers were maybe going to come back down to earth a little bit because they've been playing great football. Although they haven't been winning. They've been playing really good football. Bryce Young seemingly going to be a guy. Congrats to the Carolina Panthers. Obviously not this year. You already had a bench quarterback, did the whole thing, yada, yada yada. But looking into next year and future years, I think they maybe got something down here in Carolina. I'm happy for him. With that being said, Carolina had a three point lead basically throughout that entire game. Eagles would answer, Panthers would answer. Then the Eagles inevitably put them away a couple different times. They could have covered. I'm only saying that because I picked them to cover. And if they were there up six, they could have went and done it and got to 13. They would have got it. What was the public money this week? Because the crepe. The slate was kind of crop. Yeah, the slate was kind of crop. Looking at Those teams are very good playing against teams are very bad or bad teams playing against each other. So you look ahead to it, you go, okay, there's a few good games, but a majority of this is crop. Then there was a lot of games that were absolute crap. How'd the public fare in this weekend's betting?

[Zito]

The teams that were receiving 60% or more of the bets against the spread went 3 and 6. So not a great weekend for the public because a lot of. There was a lot of big spreads and they kept it close. Or the crap games where two crap teams were playing against each other couldn't score because their crap teams. So it was close games and the favorite did not cover. So yeah, it was. It wasn't a great weekend for the public, this one.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, bounce back. Got a big one tonight, obviously. Yeah. You can watch it with the Simpsons. What? Yeah, the Simpsons are going to be doing it tonight. Bart, Dan Lovsky and I don't think.

[Ty Schmidt]

There'S any fun play on words for. For minas.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[Ty Schmidt]

And Mr. Drew, wacky game guy.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, Lord of the Wacky Game.

[Pat McAfee]

It's gonna be good. There's also Manning cast. So there's Simpsons Manning cast. And Joe and Troy. Yeah, good luck, Joe and Troy.

[AJ Hawk]

Yikes.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, good luck.

[AJ Hawk]

Might as well stay home.

[Zito]

No one watching that.

[Pat McAfee]

So the Joe and Troy one. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

They did Orlovsky wrong in there.

[Ty Schmidt]

They did.

[Pat McAfee]

And I think they knew that. Yeah. When they describe designed him, they said, let's make this guy look like him, but much worse. Yeah. And that sucks. But I do like these zany games. They're the best. I like the zany concept. Yeah. I will check it out. Just like I did with the spongebob one.

[Boston Connor]

Bingo.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah. Slime Zone.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, Slime Zone.

[AJ Hawk]

Nickelodeon one with Lumpkin.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Love Lex Lumpkin. They need to bring him back. He might have been. Should have been in this particular one, but yeah, I would definitely check this out. Shout out to everybody that came together and make this happen. Now, remember, couldn't flex this game out of Monday Night Football, so we're being forced to watch this one.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Because the Simpson thing happened. So we'll certainly try to enjoy. Should enjoy it.

[AJ Hawk]

Definitely going to.

[Pat McAfee]

No, should enjoy it. Who? Drew Carter.

[Ty Schmidt]

Drew Carter.

[Pat McAfee]

Carter. We said that, right?

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Drew Crazy guy Carter.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah. Wacky games. Any game Carter.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, now he. Drew Peters. I guess we called him.

[Ty Schmidt]

I thought I said Carter Peters.

[AJ Hawk]

Peters. Middle name.

[Ty Schmidt]

Common name.

[Pat McAfee]

Speaking of Carter, Jalen and the boys got into it yesterday. Did you see that?

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

With Carolina Panthers offensive lineman. I know offensive linemen are built different. Like shout out to offensive linemen being built different. Davis and Carter wanting the fight is not where I would want to be. Not where I would want to be ever. But Carolina Panthers fought. Now let's talk about the biggest story of the day yesterday. In my eyes, ladies and gentlemen, we have a nine year NFL vet who looks incredibly cool. Daresty brother D Butch Josh Allen, best player in football. MVP winner this year goes for three rushing touchdowns, three passing touchdowns. Only player in the history of the NFL to ever do as such. They lose by two delivery. Los Angeles Rams are playing fantastic football and have a schedule that can set up for the last week for them to play against the Seahawks to win the NFC West. There was conversations about this Rams team a few weeks ago. Are they going to trade away parts? They're out of it. They're back being healthy. Puka's unbelievable, but unbelievable. Josh Allen's playing his best ball by far. Do you agree?

[Darius Butler]

Best ball by far. Taking care of the ball, you know, at a better level than he done any time in his career. Rarely do you have a guy, a quarterback especially lose a game and still probably remain at the top of the MVP board and that's what he did. We talked about a lot of crap games, a lot of crap slates, bad teams playing against bad teams. These were two good ball clubs, two great quarterbacks in rhythm. Obviously you look on the other side of the ball. You talked about Stafford, Puka and Cooper. Josh Allen is a throwing at those guys. You know, Amari Cooper just got there a couple weeks ago. Shakira has been great. Obviously Mack Hollins made some plays but he is making it work. James Cook, he didn't get really going until late, but yeah, once he gets around his goal line he can sneak it in just like Hertz can. Now that kind of bit him in the ass late with a play call. But Josh Allen has been absolutely phenomenal all year long, just getting better and better. You talked about their remaining schedule. They're still in shape to, you know, obviously Chiefs, they're probably going to keep winning, but they'll probably be in that two spot if everything continues to go how it's going. But this game was unbelievable. Was it? No punts, like over 800 yards, like just unbelievable. Both sides the ball, both quarterback. But Josh Allen I think is still in that number one spot when it comes to that MVP ladder.

[Pat McAfee]

Fun to watch this particular game. It made the Sunday slate great. The thing you were referring to about biting him in the ass later is like, Josh Allen's like 17 to 20. I think I saw a Hembo stat that one out on one yard rushes pretty much on the season. Whenever you need one, he's 17 of 20. So late in that game, it was 44, 35. Sean McDermott and the Buffalo Bills get down there. Joe Brady as well, obviously play caller. They get all the way down with like a minute two left in the fourth. They get down to the one yard line, first and goal. They have three timeouts. And this is how it goes from Tom Brady's mind. Go ahead, run that.

[Darius Butler]

They go jumbo here.

[Pat McAfee]

Will they just sneak Josh Allen again? They will.

[Ty Schmidt]

Allen on the sneak. I don't think he got it.

[Pat McAfee]

He did not. And now they're going to have to use a timeout. To your point, maybe that's an onside kick. It changes the thought process.

[Adam Schefter]

Yeah, we got a 3% chance on an onside kick.

[Pat McAfee]

To me, take three shots, throwing it. Don't use a timeout. And then you can kick it deep. Use your three timeouts and still get the ball with good time. Try a long field goal.

[Adam Schefter]

Try the long field goal.

[Zito]

Well, that changed that.

[Adam Schefter]

That changes the entire complexity of the.

[Pat McAfee]

Last minute and two seconds of the game. Even if they score, well, what's the big deal? They're gonna have to go for a.

[Adam Schefter]

3% chance for an onside kick.

[Darius Butler]

I do not like that one bit.

[Pat McAfee]

That could have just cost him the game right there. He's so bad, so mad. And obviously the tush push has been so successful, but the way he was talking about it, he's like three timeouts. You're able to stop the clock all the way up into a punt. Two timeouts with this much time left, it's over. They could have got the ball back. He's thinking 25, 30 seconds, which is more than enough time to get back in the field goal range to go ahead and win this entire thing instead. Because he doesn't make it. They got to stop the clock right now. It's over. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, senior NFL Insider for espn, Adam Schefter. Shefty, congrats to your Michigan team. Not only do you have Tom Brady as an alumni, but now you also have Chase Herbstreet, Kirk Herbstreet's boy, committed to Michigan this weekend. Congrats to Chase. I've seen him obviously over the last few years develop into the man, young man that he is, very happy for him. A lot of people saying, why did he go to Ohio State. He got a scholarship offered in Michigan. I don't think he got one to Ohio State. I think there were some other schools he was looking at. The fact he's going up to Michigan, I'm incredible, incredibly proud for him. They don't just hand those out, you know, you got to earn that preferred. Walk ons, obviously are going to be a thing of the past come April 8th, but congrats to Chase. He's going to be a Michigan man.

[Adam Schefter]

A great place to go to school. And how about Juan Soto getting Pat McAfee money? That's pretty wild, too, right?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Yeah, maybe I do bring Juan Soto's contract into the next negotiation. Here's the comps. Okay, this is what we're looking for. Congrats to Juan. We talked baseball earlier. Let's get back to football now. Tom Brady just basically broke down situational football from his mindset and why him and Bill Belichick potentially have been so great over those 20 years of success. Is he going to get some shit now for critiquing Sean McDermott in the way they're operating because he's an owner of another team? Shifty. How. How has that gone since Tom got in the booth? Has there been any shit?

[Adam Schefter]

No. First of all, that's his job. Like, again, I think some of those rules are a little bit overstated. I think there were some people that were a little sensitive about that, a couple of owners in particular, all sensitive about having a minority Raiders owner in their building. I mean, what are we talking about here? Tom Brady is professional enough to understand exactly what he's doing. He's not going to go to the practice and get on the phone and call Antonio Pierce, say, you're not going to believe what they're. They're going to try to get the ball to Isaiah Pacheco. It's crazy. It's unbelievable. Like, he's not doing that. You know, Tom Brady's a pro, and I think there's some people that are really nervous about it, but to me, that's ridiculous. And Tom is going to do his job. And if he wants to criticize a coach in the game for making a call, that's his right. That's what he should be doing.

[Pat McAfee]

That's.

[Adam Schefter]

That's why Fox is paying him the money. It is.

[Pat McAfee]

Right. I concur. He's not getting Juan Soto money over there, but it's damn close. His actually changed the stock market, I think, the day it was announced. But his analysis there in that fund, that's why you have Tom Brady there.

[AJ Hawk]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

That is exactly why you have Tom Brady there. And just as soon as he goes, that just cost him the game. And then Buffalo Beals fans heard all that too. And I got a bunch of texts from them going, Sean McDermott is the dumbest. He's going to cost us in this entire thing. I don't think that's true. I think they thought that was a guaranteed touchdown. Like a lot of us think with the Tush push, especially with Josh Allen, they end up getting a little adversity. Rams get a massive win. Congrats to them. Now let's chit chat about some of the other storylines happening around the NFL. Pittsburgh Steelers look like a team that can win it all. Do they have a number one, though? Tone has a question for you.

[Zito]

Yeah, Shefty George Pickens did not go in the game yesterday. I believe he popped up on the injury report on Friday. And then you had said that they were going to give it a go before the game, but he ended up being inactive. What is the, the full situation with George Pickens in, in Pittsburgh and do we know how long he's going to be out? Because that's not good.

[Adam Schefter]

Yeah, well, I think they were, they absolutely were planning on him playing. Mike Tomlin said before the game that he thought he was going to play. And I think what happened was he woke up Friday morning, it was tight. They held him out of practice Friday. He went through the walkthrough on Saturday and that was giving them the idea that he intended to play. And I think George absolutely intended to play. And then they met as a team before the game and ultimately, I guess medical people prevailed there. And like, you know what, let's take the long term view here. Let's make sure we're not pushing it today. Let's rest him on the hamstring. Hamstring injuries usually are multiple weak injuries. We'll see if he can make it back this week or not. But they decided that it was in his best long term interest yesterday to hold him out of the game. And so that's, that's exactly what they did.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And there's. They have three. They're in the middle of that three games in 10 days stretch that happens. So I think they got the Eagles next. The battle of the Keystone State coming up, which is obviously a massive one. Let's see if George plays in there. Grade 2 hamstring injury happened on Friday at practice. That happens at Friday practice.

[Adam Schefter]

Well, he might have happened at the end of Thursday, but he woke up Friday. He wasn't feeling right on Friday, was not feeling right, did not practice Friday.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, so Thursday's third down red zone. That makes sense. Friday, if it happened, I think I would have been a little bit confused on how the hell our number one wide receivers pulling his hamstring. But Thursday, obviously massive workday. Hopefully Hard Knocks will cover this thing. Now we're already in some contract conversations. You put out a big tweet yesterday that has started a lot of conversations on tv. D Bud has a question for you.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, you put out a big tweet talking about Sam Darnold. I guess in the lack of communication between Sam Darno and the Vikings with a contract going forward, obviously they're 112 right now. You have that Michigan man in waiting rehabbing right now. Now anything else when there's Darnold Vikings talk?

[Adam Schefter]

Well, again, I think the only reason to do that yesterday was the fact that Kirk Cousins was in town and a lot of people talking about the Vikings quarterback situation from last year, what the Falcons are going to do with Kirk Cousins this year, and so just thought it was relevant that the two sides just haven't had any conversations. I don't think that's overly surprising right now at all. I think the season plays out. They obviously have J.J. mcCarthy, he's the only quarterback under contract in Minnesota, and Sam Darnold is going to be a situation, whether they've had any contract talks or not, where he's going to be the top free agent quarterback out there and he's going to get to see what his value is, whether there's a team out there that wants to give him a Baker Mayfield, Daniel Jones type of contract and he can get that. Assuming he can get that, he goes and takes that contract and the starting job somewhere. If not, then it becomes interesting like, okay, is it worth going back to Minnesota then on a shorter deal for less money than I would think that he's hoping to get. But I mean, that's been a great marriage so far. The guy is thriving. He's crushing it there in Minnesota. He's playing incredibly well under Kevin O'Connell. It's been a great marriage and the Vikings are going to need somebody to make sure that J.J. mcCarthy's back, whether that's Daniel Jones who they brought in here to get a feel for the organization, or whether that's Sam Darnold. I think the market will determine that by how much interest he does or doesn't get once he becomes a free agent.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's just talk About a perfect match there between Kevin O'Connell and Sam Darnold. Sam Darnold's always had ball placement talent, right? Always been able to spin it. It's just decision making and situational football and the situation he was in that everybody thought was potentially his issue. We Talked to Kevin O'Connell down at the league meetings and we said, what's the most important thing for the quarterback that you're getting? He said, accuracy. Accuracy is the most important. I think Kevin O'Connell thinks that he can draw up a play for any quarterback as long as they're accurate, obviously. Jordan Addison goes for three touchdown. Justin Jefferson goes for two touchdowns, Sam Dawson. Arnold is going absolutely berserk this year and I don't think he'll win Comeback Player of the Year because remember, comeback Player of the Year is no longer. You stunk and then he got good again. That is certainly a different way to view it, but he's getting paid 13 million this year, right? I think is the number that he's making to be their quarterback. That's obviously vastly different than what he could make in this entire thing because I just assumed that they would want him back. Because J.J. mcCarthy, we don't know if he's in the building, not getting a rookie year here, but if you sign Sam Darnold to a three year deal, two of those being guaranteed, you have an opportunity now for JJ to watch somebody operate. But there's a chance he gets like massive money, right, because of how he's. He's playing phenomenal football right now, I.

[Adam Schefter]

Think, I think the goal will be to play yourself into a Baker Mayfield, Daniel Jones type contract. That's what I think. Like, everybody should make as much money as he can. If he can get a Juan Soto contract, a Pat McAfee contract, good for him. But I think you're talking about if he can get out there, 30, 35, $40 million, something like that, that'd be outstanding, I would think. For Sam Donald right now, if he.

[Pat McAfee]

Gets a Pat McAfee contract, is there 13 employees also alongside of him that are getting those deals? I think that kind of gets a little bit lost in translation. Con man has a question for you. Chefty. Yeah, Chef.

[AJ Hawk]

Sticking with that game. But the other team, Kirk Cousins, has not looked great. And obviously it's getting loud with the whole Michael Penix draft pick and guys kind of wanted to see him. I mean, I see a lot of people on the Internet also turning on Raheem Morris at the moment. We don't like that. We Actually hate it. We think Raheem's the man. But is there any chance we get any Michael Panicks going forward or is that completely out of question?

[Adam Schefter]

Well, here's the deal. They are.04 in their last four games. In those four games, Kirk Cousins has not thrown a touchdown pass. He has thrown eight interceptions. And the plan, the team's plan all along has been that this was Kirk season. And I think that that is what they plan to stick to. That's what Raheem Morris said after the game yesterday. They're not thinking of going to the former eighth overall pick in Michael Penix. But this is what happens when you use the 8th overall pick on a quarterback. People start wondering and I think the longer the losing streak continues, the more the interceptions come, the more these questions aren't going to go away. They're just going to be there as a weekly occurrence. The only thing that makes it go away is winning and they're not doing that right now. So it's a situation where to me, again, unless Kirk plays better than they win, you're going to keep getting those questions.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And so, so he's got the whole season. That's basically what you, you said that the plan was this.

[Adam Schefter]

I. That that's their plan. That is their plan. Okay, now we'll see if they can hold this at bay.

[Pat McAfee]

Right?

[Adam Schefter]

That's the plan.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so in. Connor also mentioned it. And by the way, go on, Kirk.

[AJ Hawk]

Go on, figure it out.

[Pat McAfee]

Kirk, go on, boy.

[Darius Butler]

Strap back in.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, remember earlier we had him on the program. We're like, hey, Penix, this conversation has kind of been shut down with how good you've been playing. Now it's going the other direction all of a sudden. It's very much back in the conversation cycle as it will be until that all gets sorted. Which is why everybody had the reaction that they had whenever they had the number eight overall pick and decided to make it a quarterback. But hey, if it all works out in the end, that'll be good on them. They also decided coach Raheem Morris. Raheem Morris, they're not saying that on the Internet about him right now, obviously, but instead of Bill Belichick, Bill Belichick, last week it is announced that he is interested in the UNC job. Then there's report that he's looking to set this up maybe for his son. Then there's a report unc, some people are interested in Bill Belichick. Then it's like, this might be real. We all thought it was just kind of ha, ha ha. What is this in your eyes? And is there a chance that this is a open call to NFL teams that he is very much serious about getting back into coaching? How do you kind of read this out of the whole situation?

[Adam Schefter]

Well, first of all, I believe he's going to be on your air at 110. Correct.

[Pat McAfee]

Bingo.

[Adam Schefter]

Okay, so Bill's on your show here in 32 minutes, and he will be able to best answer those questions. But from my vantage point, the talks with North Carolina are real. I understand he met with them yesterday for five hours. I don't think you spend five hours after days of discussions with a university, if. If there's not something to it. Now, whether or not North Carolina can put together a package that's attractive and compelling enough for Bill, whether that's ultimately what he decides to do, we'll see. His father was an assistant coach there. Someone sent me a picture yesterday of him sitting in the stands in that stadium. I believe it was in 1959. So there's some sentimental tie, I would think, to North Carolina with his father having been an assistant coach on that staff. And I don't think Bill really cares where he's coached. Like, he wants to coach. He's been great this year as a media darling and a media star, and he can keep doing that if he wants. But at his core, in his soul, he's a football coach. And last year, when the season ended, NFL teams had an opportunity to hire him. At one point, it looked like he was on track to get that Atlanta job. And then people stepped in, and for whatever reason, he didn't get that job. And so I don't think he wants to wait around and count on something that he doesn't know he will get. When he wants to be a coach and people thought, oh, he wants the record, well, I'm sure maybe the record may be in his mind, but I don't think that's what drives Bill Belichick. I think he loves to coach, and if this is a vehicle to do it, and it's back at North Carolina, which some people wouldn't have expected, then why not explore that? I don't know what he'll decide. I don't know what will happen. But what I can tell you is there are ongoing conversations between he and the university. He definitely is considering it. There are other candidates who have been dropping out of the North Carolina race. Whether they're not interested or they feel like Bill is the guy that the school wants to hire or whatever it may be so this has gone on, I think, a little bit longer than people expected it to. And it's been a little bit more hot and heavy than people thought it would be. And you'll have the chance here at 110 if we could tease Bill coming on to ask him and see what he has to say about this job that I think it's in play now. What will happen? We'll see. But it's in play.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so all the information you just gave me, I will present to Bill Belichick that we already know. Because the issue with Bill here in this, he doesn't say shit about shit whenever it comes like things like that. Like that he's a negotiator. Everything is potential leverage. I mean, so I don't know. That's why I asked you. It's like, what do you know? Because at 110, that is going to be a joust to get any information that just needs to be understood. And that's why I put it out there. It's like, that's why in my tweet I said we have no idea if he'll give us any insight. This is the. So this is the guest that we've had on weekly throughout seasons. The one that I. We don't really have much of a relationship. Like, I don't know what is going to. Usually the conversations I'm like, I feel like I know where we can get to, how we can get to these places. With Bill, I have no idea. I don't think any of us have figured it out. And so he might talk and tell us stuff, but I'm going to have to present a lot of evidence that I already know. You know, hey, the world already knows. It's already been talked about. Because he's like, I'm not giving up anything. That's how he operates. Like, that is literally how he operates when it comes to this stuff. So thank you for all that five hour meeting yesterday. That's a, that's a lot of investment of a lot of time by a lot of people.

[Adam Schefter]

Well, I don't think you meet for five hours if you're not at least considering something. That doesn't mean he's taking it. But he met with them for. He gave them him five hours of his time on a Sunday afternoon when he could have been watching the jets and the Dolphins instead. So that tells me that he's at least interested.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know. I don't know if you watched that one. It was good.

[Adam Schefter]

The Bills and the Rams, the Bills.

[Pat McAfee]

Although he might have liked the jets and Dolphins kind of doing what they were doing yesterday.

[AJ Hawk]

True.

[Pat McAfee]

Just as like a nice therapy session, special teams. Or maybe you watch Atlanta do what Atlanta's doing, you know? Cause it was. He was up for that job. It doesn't happen.

[Darius Butler]

Maybe he was watching the game with them. Like, hey, let's turn this to you. Let me walk you through some of these situations. Plays.

[Pat McAfee]

Now, Atlanta hired Raheem Morris, which I like, but this is what their team's doing. Yeah. You hire somebody else, that's okay. But let me tell you what my team will do instead. Him in a college landscape would be awesome. Just to see how he navigates it. But you talked about his dad coaching in North Carolina. I only really know if his dad coaching a Navy, because that's only the story that's kind of been told. Like, he grew up over there. His dad coached a Navy for long time. Lee Corso coached for his dad. At one point he met like. So I don't think I remember that he was at North Carolina. 1959 is a long time ago, but that could probably hold a nice place near and dear. Beautiful place down there. Gorgeous, beautiful town. Okay, speaking of a beautiful town, let's go to Philadelphia.

[Adam Schefter]

I'll text you the picture right now. Check this out, right? I'm going to text it to you. You want to text it to your Zito?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, Zito. Probably fastest.

[Adam Schefter]

Okay, let me send this to Zito. Take a look at this.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay? Yeah.

[Adam Schefter]

And then we'll go from my phone to Zito and he'll put the picture up.

[Pat McAfee]

How about this? You're sending it right now. That phone is going. That photo from your phone is going up to a satellite. Okay. Then it's coming. Don t. Zito's phone, it's uploading somehow out of nowhere. Okay. She's uploading onto there. Then Zito was just able to put it hopefully onto history, and boom, there it is. That's 2024.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Wow.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Yeah.

[Adam Schefter]

Now take a look at that.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Ten years after this photo, Bill Belichick.

[Adam Schefter]

Stadium during his father's mid-1950s tenure as a Carolina assistant coach. There is Bill Belichick in the stands right there. Okay. So you can put up that picture kind of zero into that picture. When he comes up and ask. Ask what he remembers about that day.

[Pat McAfee]

Right.

[Adam Schefter]

Pat, let's see if we could. Let's see if we could conjure back up some of the memories.

[Pat McAfee]

Jim Harvard, Jim Harbaugh remembered the day he was born.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's Right.

[Pat McAfee]

It was rainy. I remember coming out. He did that entire thing. I'm sure Coach Belichick remembers.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And I'm sure there's going to be a bunch of other stories from that area whenever he was a kid that him and his parents used to talk about. And I remember we used to. Those are cherished times in my development era. And he'll talk about what? I can't wait. Thank you for all this information. We do appreciate it. This is good info. I'm not sure.

[Adam Schefter]

We're just trying to big. We're just trying to get Bill to open up a little bit, back to his younger days when he was back at North Carolina with his dad. Like, that's kind of cool.

[Pat McAfee]

Memory lane, nostalgia. Take a trip. This is life. Let's go ahead.

[Adam Schefter]

Kind of cool, right?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Adam Schefter]

Like, if somebody put up a picture of me with my parents when I was that age, sitting in this, that'd be pretty cool.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, you're never that age because you're an alien. Obviously. I was dropped into the world of Michigan and then now have all these information for everything, all the time. Yeah. I think Shefty thinks Bill's going to unc. That's what I think. Is that what it sounds like?

[Adam Schefter]

No. I really don't know what to make of it because I just know that it's going on and whether he wants to go. I think if he wants to go, he can go, but I don't know ultimately if this is what he's ready to do. I don't know.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, last question here. Quick. We got Puka Nakua on the other side of this.

[Ty Schmidt]

Nice.

[Pat McAfee]

Ty Schmidt has a question for you.

[Ty Schmidt]

Chef Shefty. The Eagles continue to win, are arguably the best team in the NFL. But after the game yesterday, they asked A.J. brown, hey, what needs to be fixed about the offense? And he just said, like, our passing game stinks. Is that something that you think people should be concerned with, or are Eagles fans kind of just always going to about something that's going on with the Eagles until they ultimately win the Super Bowl?

[Adam Schefter]

Yeah, you know, I. I was surprised by that because to me, they're rolling along. The negative talk had quieted down. And A.J. brown is so good and handles himself so well. And I was surprised after a loss that he would say those things. He had his reasons for saying that. And of course, I think that that's something now, right or wrong, that everybody's going to harp on and bring up, and it's going to be an issue Moving forward here. So he obviously wasn't happy with the way the ball was thrown. He was not happy with the number of passes that went his way. Usually the squ. What is it there? What is the expression? The squeaky wheel gets the oil restore.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Adam Schefter]

A.J. brown's gonna. Incoming. Big game for A.J. brown next week.

[Pat McAfee]

Watch. Okay. Can't wait to watch that. Can't wait for Jalen Hertz, you know, to have to continue to navigate being the quarterback of the Philadelphia Eagles. And Sirianni, I'm sure, has some blame in here. Definitely. Yeah. Get that guy the hell off of my tv. You know this guy. Go ahead.

[Adam Schefter]

So you got Puka coming up next year?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, like in a minute.

[Adam Schefter]

Yeah, you should. I. I'd be curious to know if he is curious if he understands where the Rams are in the NFC west right now. Joining us now, division.

[Pat McAfee]

Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, wide receiver for the Los Angeles Rams. Absolute monster. Puking Aqua. Yeah. What up? What's up? How you doing? Hey, I'm great. Oos, thanks for making the time here. I know you're in a workday. We got a Thursday night game. Schefter has a question for you. Puka.

[Adam Schefter]

Hey, Puka, first of all, that was unbelievable yesterday. Congratulations on the win and the season. But I'm curious, with all the stuff made about the NFC west, do you understand where you sit now in relation to the other teams in the NFC West?

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know where we sit in standing to them, but I know that we play somebody in our division on Thursday. Okay. All right, that's great. Thank you, Shefter. Thanks for the question. Hey, we won. We won on Sunday. We won on Sunday. That's what they asked for. Well, that's what. That's what they asked for me to do. Rhett. Yeah. Hey, I love that. Next. The only thing that matters is the next meeting. And the next meeting will be a recap of the incredible game yesterday against the Bills and then your Thursday night matchup against the Niners. The Niners. Were you waiting for me or. I was. No, I was about to. I was about to give it to you. But, like, there are some people and it's going to sound crazy. I was kind of one of them. Actually, it wasn't. Who's that? What up, man? All right. Good to see you, dude. There are some people that have no idea what's happening till the next meeting. And you're fully focused on next meeting and you don't even know who's in there. Let's Talk about the game that you just had. Puka. Let's go. Dude. Hey, that catch. That catch, dude, what is that? Do you feel like you're getting better each week or how do you feel about your game right now? Because when we're watching you, we think you're one brother. Top three, top five. You're doing stuff that is just imperative, impeccable. And then obviously your power, your speed, the way they use you, you're flying around right now. How do you feel about your game? How do you feel about the Rams offense? Oh, no, like the Rams offense. As long as we got number nine back there, I feel pretty confident about us versus anybody. And it feels fun to get out there. I feel like I learned all my moves from Cooper cup, so I try to add a little spin to my own, but it all sums from number 10. So when we're out there rolling, it's. It's pretty hard to beat us. I believe it. Just like two months ago, you guys were dealing with a bunch of injuries. They were talking about maybe trading away assets. Thought this was going to be like a mail it in year. Then obviously we get health, you, Everybody gets healthy. Do you feel like you guys can, you know, go do everything you hope for? And have you felt a change in mindset throughout this season in the building? Yeah, definitely feel the change and the ability for everybody to get healthy. And then when you come in, you start to see everybody. You come in on a. On a Monday after, on a short week, and you see everybody smiling. You see everybody still got a little balance, bouncing their step from winning and knowing that we still got better stuff we can put on tape. So it feels fun. I mean, we're not. Nobody's super excited to be moving around today, so hopefully it's a nice chill day in the facility, but we're ready to roll. Absolute clash. Short week. Give the boys a break. McVeigh, give the boys a break. It sounds like Connor has a question for you.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, Puka, you came in this year with a new look. You had the very long hair and you had the massive beard. What was the decision? To shave the beard because we all thought it looked wicked cool. And now it's gone completely quickly.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, I was on. I think it was. Who is it? The progressive commercials of the. The dude. They brought back the caveman. And I was like, ah, bro, I don't want anybody to be like, yo, is that Puka de Cooper, the caveman guys? Okay, so you thought you started looking a little prehistoric, a little neanderthal. Ish.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

A little barbaric. Is that what you're thinking? A little bit. I mean, I like to say I'm a physical guy in kind of old school football ways, but I was like, I don't know if I want to go that old school. I don't want to put that out there. You're a handsome caveman, though. Yeah. Yeah. You're a. Yeah. Don't you think about that. Nobody want said that. Speaking of thinking about Yesterday was awesome. DBut has a question for you. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

When you are a weapon, like you are in the middle of a game, in the middle of an offensive shootout like that, like, what's your thoughts in the middle of that? When you're on the sideline, I know you're going through something, you know, gutting it out and getting in there and finishing the game strong. But what's your thoughts when you're a big time wide receiver in the middle of a shootout where it's like, hey, we might have to put up 50 tonight to win this game.

[Pat McAfee]

Shoot. I'm not going to lie to you that, you know, and I was thinking about in AAU basketball growing up, they used to give you these little, like, black wristbands that had the silver dot.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

They were like the balance bands. Yes, yes, yes. Middle of the game, Josh Allen's driving. I'm like, yo, they scammed us with those balance. They scammed us, bruh. I think everybody had them. Yeah, we got. We gotta lift that. We got to lift that 10, right? I'm talking to Big Oos right now. Hey, O. Hey, go do your workout. Don't get any. Thanks for stopping by. Congrats on all the success. Let's finish this thing strong. Yes, sir. I'll see you guys soon. All right, See you. Ladies and gentlemen, poking the cool up.

[Darius Butler]

That was great.

[Pat McAfee]

That was awesome. These guys scammed us. We all bought them.

[Zito]

Yep, we all did.

[Pat McAfee]

Everybody had them. There was that other thing, that copper. There was like a copper wristband there. The necklace too. That. All the.

[Zito]

All the baseball, all the.

[Pat McAfee]

All the ML. Yeah.

[Zito]

The fighting bands.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, those. Those were going to make you smaller.

[AJ Hawk]

No doubt.

[Pat McAfee]

I'll tell you what, Sally McAfee, my mother, she was. She was searching if you could find something that you didn't have to do a lot of activity that was going to make you better. Oh, yeah, we were going to have it. We had that strap ab thing that was just a stim. Basically just a stimulation machine. And it was just. And you read the side of it, you know, because it's probably on home shopping network or something. QVC, definitely. And it says, put this thing on 30 minutes a day. It will activate your core and you should be in shape and losing body fat in a matter of days or something like that. So obviously, you try that thing, you just get zapped. You like. It's like burns a little bit. Some cheap stim routine every two minutes. I don't know if I got. Got that wristband, too. Hey, this one's gonna get you. It's gonna be great. There was this one that made me feel better. It was that necklace. I think there was like a copper necklace. It was a balancing thing. The fighting humans always going to fall. We are, huh? Yeah. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Try it.

[Pat McAfee]

We're always going to give it a go. Selling hope. Not a bad idea. You're right. Because you might have to wear that thing for five years for it to really fool it different. And it's like supplements. You don't. They don't even get FDA regulated. It's the worst in the golf industry. You got the unduffable. And that thing definitely dumps when you hit. Excuse me. You said that in a manner as if I made the wrong decision. If you were watching the golf channel at 3am and you saw that golf fix guy come out and say you got a duff issue. And I thought to myself, yeah, yeah, I do, actually. But I have enough power to get through the duffs, but I could certainly go without them. Boom. The unduffable. This thing was a wedge nine iron. It was a hybrid if you needed it. Can't duff it. Don't you worry about it. Got this fat ass bottom on it. The bounce on that will also make sure that you're not duffing the ball either. So go ahead and swing away. That was not real. I duff the out of that thing. Yeah, all the time.

[Zito]

You duffed to the unduffable.

[Pat McAfee]

Day one. That was a day one. Duff broke the game with the unduffable. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

I almost felt like when you hit that thing. Pure though, man.

[Pat McAfee]

It is majestic.

[Ty Schmidt]

It is.

[Pat McAfee]

But you're right. Puka. Where did those go? We need to get them back.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, well, they had the one that had like the. What was it like? Salt in the black sea. You guys remember those ones? They're like the little balls around the entire thing.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I had those. For sure. Selling those work, too. Selling hope like that. What a need to make shoes that just have something in the soul that makes you Ground So Matt Collins doesn't go barefooted.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, they gotta have those.

[Pat McAfee]

Did you see him whenever?

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Zito]

Great sell he a sweet touchdown too. He's fire.

[AJ Hawk]

Josh Allen put in a bucket second.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that ball was stupid.

[AJ Hawk]

That was insane.

[Pat McAfee]

Josh Allen's so good. Josh Allen's supposed to be able to be happy. After that game yesterday, he wasn't. He wasn't able to be happy.

[Ty Schmidt]

Nope.

[Boston Connor]

Tough.

[Pat McAfee]

You lose, can't be happy. That is, that is football in a nutshell in the NFL. It. It's like if you're a face of the program or are a program, your happiness depends upon the success of your team. And it's like Josh Allen just had a historic, historic game.

[AJ Hawk]

Crazy.

[Pat McAfee]

Just like best football player on a field game. Yeah. And can't be happening. Can't be happy. You know, like if he's happy. Oh, is it more important for you to play well or for the Bills to win? That just gets thrown right in your face and then. Oh yeah. Have you ever won Super Bowl? So that's all we want to hear. It's just never ending at that position. And Josh knows that he's probably going to win the MVP this year. Congrats to him. I mean AP10. We could probably ask for a better answer.

[Zito]

Well, he's a minus 500 favorite, so.

[Pat McAfee]

Sheesh. It's only a few weeks left. Okay. So obviously things can happen, but not a lot of time to change resumes or ideas. I think for the voters there's a chance, but never win a Super Bowl. You got to win a Super bowl as well. That's all anybody's going to say to him until he does it. He knows that at this point. So we'd like to say Josh, yesterday was awesome. Even though you guys lost. That was awesome. That was so fun to watch. You do your thing.

[Darius Butler]

It was great. I mean we could watch Josh Allen play, you know, every night. Like he. I knew.

[Pat McAfee]

Not the stupid mistakes either that used to happen. By stupid, I mean like risk, risky, careless.

[Darius Butler]

That was the only thing. The only thing was Josh Allen and getting beating himself. Just making bone headed decisions once, twice, maybe even three times in the game. And now he just doesn't make those decisions. He's playing better even before the snap, understanding things. And at any point in the game he can just say, all right, I'm gonna take it in my own hands and run for 30, 40 yards. So just the ultimate weapon he has.

[Pat McAfee]

What? More rushing touchdowns. Did you hear this stat? I think than O.J. simpson and Juice Yeah, he's got more rushing touchdowns. Let me see. This is it Terrell Davis. Yeah, Terrell Davis. Josh Allen passed terrell Davis and O.J. simpson for career rushing touchdowns yesterday.

[AJ Hawk]

That's nuts.

[Zito]

What?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, he's still got another 10 years left, too. That guy's unbelievable to watch. You lost, though, Josh. Sorry. So you hang your head low.

[Darius Butler]

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[AJ Hawk]

Amen. Yeah. I mean, is that what you're saying? No, that's not what I'm saying.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what you just said. I know.

[AJ Hawk]

Last week. No, no. Tomorrow or something.

[Pat McAfee]

Don't you have some friends that are potentially seals and stuff?

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, have that on that side. Have some Rangers on the other side. Oh, no. Yeah, that's why we sport them both.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, but it's nice that you got boys that are Rangers and seals.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, it's a great time. You know what I just thought about that. I forgot to mention the first hour how awesome Joey Chestnut was before the Big Ten championship.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, you did. Hold on though. Let's get to the Big Ten championship with a man who's obviously just hit me.

[Boston Connor]

I screwed up.

[Pat McAfee]

But you're 100% right. No, because I forgot about it as well. Historic.

[Zito]

What a story.

[AJ Hawk]

Unbelievable.

[Pat McAfee]

Historic moment. Not a lot of people are ever going to be able to say this ever. So let's hold it. One half of the Hammer Cowboys. AP Ton. He's got an Army. What's the deal?

[Darius Butler]

Go Army B. Navy.

[Pat McAfee]

Whoa. Is that what you're. Okay, that's nine year NFL vet. Son of a man who was in the army. Darius J. But is this an army show?

[Zito]

Well, I give each team an equal opportunity each year to come out with the merchant. And I liked Army's merch better this year, so I bought Army's merch this year. Now if Navy comes out with better merch next year than Army, I will buy the Navy merch next year.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't think I know anybody who played football at Navy. Bill Belichick, I guess he coached there.

[Zito]

Who's the quarter?

[Pat McAfee]

Captain Khan's obviously Dog from Barstow. From Army? Who else? Josh McNair. I think he was Army. Army, army guy.

[AJ Hawk]

Navy's quarterback. Who is? Miami Dolphin for a little bit.

[Zito]

Yep, that's what I was trying to think.

[Pat McAfee]

I know.

[AJ Hawk]

I'm trying to think of his name.

[Pat McAfee]

Nonetheless, we appreciate you all going. You're about to Go do so many things and maybe Bryson Daly might, you know, Bingo. He might be a.

[Zito]

He should be there for sure.

[Pat McAfee]

There's some people that be able to make. So we appreciate it. Beautiful game. Got a chance to be there last year, you know, for. We did game day there last year. Game day environment. Interesting. You know, it is a. Interesting game day. But the. Just the feeling when you're there is like. Like you are surrounded by badasses. You know, like every person is like a human that you're like thankful that they are gonna go. Just imagine signing that line. I couldn't do it. Dogs I don't have. Yep, we'll do it if we have to. If we need it, we'll do it. And there are some people are like, I was put on this earth to do this. And it's like, that is. Those are. Those are the ones that end up doing the whole thing. We're appreciative of them. Army, Navy, this weekend only game, I believe. Heisman. When's Heisman?

[Zito]

Saturday night.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Yeah. I believe that's this weekend as well. That's awesome. And then their Saturday night main event for WWE packed weekend. Then the NFL slate is obviously phenomenal. Should be a blast. Joining us now is a man who's been a college football national champion, a Super bowl champion. He's in WWE 2K24. Ladies and gentlemen, AJ Hawk Hawker. Do you want to take this time. Time to congratulate new Big Ten champion Oregon Ducks for winning for the entire good of the conference. Number one team in the country is out of the Big Ten Conference. If you'd like to give a congratulatory message, we'd certainly allow you to do that at this time. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Well, I heard Ty say earlier, hey, Oregon's in the Big Ten. I'm a fan of anybody in the Big Ten, no matter when they got there. I understand this may be their first year. Hey, they came in, made a great impression. So let's see if they can keep it rolling.

[Pat McAfee]

Rolling. Okay. All. All things are indicating that they can keep it rolling. Yeah. For everything you possibly need. That is for awesome play.

[Boston Connor]

That was awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

He ran right through us. You'll probably be able to see the crane Dan of this shot.

[AJ Hawk]

No doubt.

[Boston Connor]

That's actually maybe the camera watching. Party.

[Pat McAfee]

Dude. Dude, that was. That was an experience. That was an experience.

[Darius Butler]

I didn't get that shot right there.

[Pat McAfee]

No, didn't. Did you see the cut to that shot? No, no, no, you didn't. I'm telling you, you. The shots that were on this massive crane. Were certainly cool. You know, it's like, wow. I've never seen that angle 20ft in the sky from that part of the end zone. Never seen that angle at anything. Is really cool. But they. They never used shot we were watching because we had to watch the game on the guy's tv.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

So we were literally watching it. It's like the left shot that he was doing. So sweet. Crowd sweepers. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Incredible.

[Pat McAfee]

Just coming along, just hovering above, then going right into where the game is. Almost hitting the upright, then continuing to go, you know, over that, and then just parking right in front of our. Because we have good angle, too.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah. Buzzing the tower on the band leader's head. Who was up on the ladder?

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah. The Oregon Duck band leader was standing on a ladder accidentally watching the game. Yeah. Don't you be watching a game.

[Ty Schmidt]

No, absolutely not.

[Pat McAfee]

You have any idea what's turning a corner? Right? It's at the 10, it's at the 5. It's at the end zone. Coming through the end zone. Holy hell. Doesn't matter if you're keeping beta. Always up over his head. Great shot of the band.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Great shot. He actually got the shot from the band leaders, which is the best view in the house. Yeah. Never used it.

[Ty Schmidt]

No, no, of course not.

[AJ Hawk]

Damn shame.

[Pat McAfee]

But that's why you paid a big buck, so you can get that view. Mm. Who's next? Was Discover, I think.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Saw Legends in that suite. Yeah. Legends in the suite next.

[Boston Connor]

Really?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Trace McSorley was in there. Joey Harrington was in there, which.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes. His hair age.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, my God.

[Pat McAfee]

Phenomenal hall of Fame. So I. I would like to let Joey know now, publicly. I did not know he was saying my name. I had no idea he was trying to get my attention. If I would have known he was trying to do that, I would have certainly went back. I was trying to get to a spot where I didn't have to do a whole song and dance autograph thing so I could just sit down. And I think what had happened was, was Joey was saying my name, and I just was loud. I did not hear it, so I did not get to tell him. I did tell Trace. I told Trace to tell Joey. Please, can you tell that man that his hair is phenomenal over there? Would like to talk to him. But it was a fun night. Great night. Oregon's the new Big Ten champs. And now the College Football playoff bracket was revealed yesterday at 12:20 Eastern, 40 minutes before NFL kickoff. And this is the Go. How do you feel about the Ohio State draw? How do you feel about a night game in Columbus with Tennessee coming to town to start this thing on day two of the College Football Playoff? How do you feel about how it shaked out here at its first year, the 12th teamer?

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, I mean, obviously there's going to be teams that are mad and they're going to be upset and feel like they are left out. But I love that Notre Dame, Indiana matchup. I think that'll be awesome. I think it's great. Tennessee coming to Columbus, cold playoff game in Ohio Stadium. It's going to be great. And people want to talk about the path.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

I mean, Oregon sitting there, right there for the winner of Ohio State. Tennessee. And you want to say Penn State got the easy run of it. I mean, if you want to win it all, you got to beat a lot of good teams. You got to beat the great team in the final. So whether you get a good draw or not, let's see who the best team is.

[Pat McAfee]

And also in college football this year, outside of Oregon, they had a close one with Ohio State, had a close one with Wisconsin. Anything could happen any week. And I think that's, like, the hardest thing about this whole thing here, because how are you going to project how each team is going to play? Like, you have no idea how each team is going to play. So with a team with three losses, you look at their roster and you're like, holy hell, this is going to be. This team is all big, all fast, all five stars. So then brains naturally start thinking, well, if you were to put them on paper against this team, on paper, they're not going to be able to stop them. And sometimes that is the case for some game. But in college football this year, it has been the year of unexpected. And teams not showing up in massive games and other teams that aren't supposed to play good, showing up in big games. That Arizona State team is a perfect example. They show up, they show up, and they play every single week. This Indiana team, obviously, they lose to Ohio State and they had a punter that dropped the ball. They gave up a punt return to the best athlete on the field. So they made a couple crucial errors that you can't make in a big game like that. That could have been their, you know, nerves settling in in the big game and just showing up at the wrong time. But have they been able to utilize that to mature into Callis and to move on to become good again? Because they have the largest margin of victory in the entire Country. They show up every week and play. It's like, it's hard to project who should be in because you have no idea who's going to show up. Outside of Oregon, the only undefeated team, and even they had some games where they weren't playing. It's impossible. So, like, say in SMU is an easy path and Boise State's an easy path. It's like, maybe not like SMU could show up. Penn State could just, you know, play how Penn State has played in a lot of these massive games. Although I thought they played good against Oregon. Okay. I think they did play good, but it's like smu, Kevin Jennings, everything they have going on down there, they. They're capable to be anybody. Yeah. And then Ashton Gentee, they could take over. They almost beat Org. They could take over any game. So it's like, who shows up is the thing that matters in these playoffs. That's legitimately all that matters. I think for those. You can count Ole Miss in there, you can count South Carolina in there, you can count Alabama in there. In SMU as well. It's like you're trying to project who will show who has shown up the most, I think. And that's a very difficult thing to do.

[Zito]

They are. They're bigger spreads in the first round. Most of them are seven or more. But I still. I don't think any of us would be surprised if any of the Dogs in any of these games won. Like, I. I wouldn't.

[Pat McAfee]

No, absolutely not. Clemson, obviously, beating Texas would be a gigantic.

[Zito]

Yeah, but I would be nuts.

[Pat McAfee]

But it's like Clemson though, you know, and Dabo's used to this type of situation. Obviously Texas has won a couple big games. Sark has won some big games in its past and in its history. But it's like, who knows, you know, needed Georgia to win this past weekend.

[Michael Cole]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Need. I needed that Came through two and. Oh, two and. Oh yeah. Feel pretty good about SEC championship ball knowledge. You know, I did feel pretty good and shout to the Georgia Bulldogs fans who have. I've even got a couple messages from some of them that said, like, hey, obviously I hated you because you took Dave Pollock spot, but you calling the Dogs and picking the Dogs on Saturday.

[Ty Schmidt]

Hall of Fame in my book, you're okay by me.

[Pat McAfee]

That is literally what it was. And it's like, I appreciate those messages because. Because the Georgia Bulldogs fans are very passionate and I've heard from them. I've heard from them since the very beginning, repeatedly. I. I've heard from them since the very beginning of this whole college game day experience. And I love David Pollock as well. He was very cool to me. So I, I got no problems with David Pollock, but it's just kind of a part of how this whole thing landed and how it all came together. And obviously I don't think I replaced David Pollock. I don't think that is. If you had a. A brain and watched the show, you wouldn't think that I was replacing Dev. David Pollock in anything. But I'm a big fan, so I've heard about it from the beginning. It was an honor to do that. And for them to go out there and get that big win, I'm happy they did. I thought they were going to run away with it. Yeah, I did think Georgia was going to win that game. Very. That Texas team was good.

[Darius Butler]

Can you catch the damn ball early?

[Boston Connor]

How's Carson Beck? How's his status?

[Pat McAfee]

So he's. He said it's bad. He pointed to something on the sideline and he said it's bad. And then him jogging on that field.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Didn't look good either.

[Pat McAfee]

I thought he was maybe bluffing. Really?

[Boston Connor]

I thought he was ropa dope.

[Pat McAfee]

Rope a dope.

[Boston Connor]

Let him think he's that hurt. He's that hurt.

[Darius Butler]

That would have been a bad look.

[Pat McAfee]

Just like with how bad it was when he was jogging on. I'm like, damn, this guy. This guy can arms falling off. This guy's like in a really, really bad spot. So I, I thought for real it was a work. And then he was going to pop up and like, oh, he was going to be able to do it. Him even being able to do the handoff, obviously for them to get the win, I think was very painful. Painful. Gunner comes in, takes a massive shot. Yeah, I mean that shot to him.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, that was nasty.

[Pat McAfee]

Geez, them boys are hitting down there.

[Darius Butler]

I'm glad they didn't call. Target.

[Boston Connor]

Boom, boom popped up. Hey, I thought they were gonna call it. I thought they were gonna toss him.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah. I'm happy they didn't. SEC Championship. Bang, bang, play big hit. Gunner getting up. Good on him. That's good dog. But then Carson having to come in and get the win for them over there in overtime. Great game. Thankful Georgia won. I would have never heard the end of it from every Texas person forever. I like this Texas team. I just legitimately, the way I do these picks is who do I think is going to win and then now, now why and how is how we get there. I thought Georgia was going to win they did. Congrats to them. But Texas, if they made a run in this thing, nobody would be surprised.

[AJ Hawk]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

Anybody, any of these teams make a run, it wouldn't be a surprise. And in the future, if the UNC Tar Heels are in this conversation, coming out of the acc, none of us would be surprised with all the information that we already know. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, the greatest NFL coach of all time, greatest general manager of all time, Coach Bill Belichick. How you doing, Coach?

[Michael Cole]

Good, Pat. How we doing?

[Pat McAfee]

Good. So college football is in the middle of a massive transition era era. We're in the 12 team playoff. We're in the transfer portal nil era. That's about to get, I think, even more solidified on April 8th when it becomes a revenue share era with a salary cap. So college ball is more similar to professional football now than it's ever been in its entire existence. What are your thoughts on the state of college football right now? And I didn't know you had ties all the way back to North Carolina. Obviously you grew up in college football, it feels like. So whenever people hear that you're interested. Why is that, Coach Belichick? Why do you think that is the case?

[Michael Cole]

Well, yeah, I did grow up that way. You know, my dad was a college coach. It was in North Carolina for three years, Vanderbilt for a year and then in the Navy for 50. So. But yeah, it's. It seems like college football is more like pro football. I've talked to a lot of college coaches about things like the salary cap and putting value on players and negotiating, kind of mixing all that together. So I think there are some similarities from what I've heard. I haven't experienced it firsthand, but feels like that.

[Pat McAfee]

Wait, so as you're doing your snooping around. Not snooping around, sorry, downloading of information. Snooping around, downloading of information, though, about the state of college football and then obviously your son right now being the DC for Washington. Had you always thought about potentially getting back into college ball because of growing up with your dad, or is this something that has like kind of piqued your interest recently with the state of it?

[Michael Cole]

Well, yeah, as you said, I grew up around college football and, you know, some great Navy teams there. And, you know, I learned a lot and really kind of patterned a lot of my pro teams off of the teams that grew up around in the, in the 60s as a kid growing up and they at the Naval Academy. But yeah, look, as a pro coach, you always go back every year and go to different schools and look at their players and see their programs and learn from those coaches and their situations as well. So, you know, I've had a chance this year to take a longer look at college football during the college season as opposed to in the spring from the draft perspective, and that's been interesting as well as staying up with pro football. So it's been a good year for me. I've learned a lot. And so, you know, I've had an opportunity to chant, talk to Chancellor Roberts. And, you know, we've had a couple of good conversations, so we'll see how it goes.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. So we appreciate you giving us that information, and I love the fact that you're like, the more I'm learning about it, the more I'm interested in potentially helping out, because I think if a Bill Belich brain goes into college ball, that's a good thing for football as a whole. Development of football. I think it's good for the NFL. I think it's good for everything to get you back, crack around ball, especially at the college level. You said you talked to the Chancellor. Schefter told us you talked to him for five hours yesterday. Is that real? Five hours?

[Michael Cole]

Yeah. Let's just leave it at that, Pat. I mean, I don't want to give up too much information. I'll lose my press conference. I want to get my press conference or I'm back.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so it has been reported that you bet for five hours yesterday during these conversations that you're having with the chancellor, not the one yesterday for five hours. That didn't happen. Okay. Is it ball? Is it co. What is the. Like, what's the difference, you think, between, like, an NFL interview versus college football interview, or are they very similar? Is it culture building? Is it. This is how our football team's going to look? How. How are they similar and how do they differ over these last couple years that you got to experience?

[Michael Cole]

Well, look, I think anytime as a coach, you. You join with an organization, whether it's. Whatever level it's at, you just want a shared vision with the. With that person. What are your goals? What are your expectations? What do you need to achieve those? How do we achieve them and so forth. And, you know, talking through a lot of things that I don't think it really matters where the program is. There are a lot of things that go into that team building and the structure of the program and so forth that, you know, take some time to just talk through. It's not. It's a discussion. It's not an argument or A debate. It's just understanding. Understanding what resources are available, what we need, how does that mix together, who's working for who and so forth. That's all pretty common. Every interview I've had has had an element of that in it. And so, you know, this will be no different. You know, whatever the organization or team is, it's still, you know, there has to be a structure to it and I'd say a common vision for it to work with.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so let's talk about that structure. You said you talked to the chancellor at New England. That's why I always say you're the greatest GM of all time, because nobody gives you credit for that. But you were also titled the general manager, and you said you'd get a lot of help from a lot of people. We understand that. We agree. A lot of them have gone on, I think Pioli, Lombardi, Cairo. Right now, there's a lot of people that have obviously been in your personnel world that have gone on to have great success. But you were the general manager, manager through that whole thing. And what has been reported is basically it was you and the owner having to be on the same page because those are the three people that have to do it. In college, it feels like the coach has all this. Like, from what I've seen around, they just brought in Andrew Luck to be a general manager for Stanford, and I think he's overseeing the entire program. In college ball, is there going to be multiple departments going forward, do you think, in the conversations that you're having? Are they. Is there going to be a general manager, a head coach, and then is there AD and chancellor, or what do you think the future of college ball looks like from a structure wise, not from interviews. This is just in your eyes because of overlooking dynasty in football for so long, and then now what you've learned with college football.

[Michael Cole]

Well, I think that there. I'll just say this. I think there are a lot of football programs that are being structured similar to NFL programs. So. So in college, you now have high school recruiting, but you have college portal. In pro football, you have the draft and pro free agency. So you have salary cap and negotiations with NFL agents. In college, you have negotiations with whoever represents the player, whether that's a family member, a high school coach, an agent, or some other financial advisor or whoever it is. You know, you have players changing teams in college as you have players that could change teams in the NFL with a little different set of rules, but the same general structure. And you have to value your players in Some way because you have a, you know, limited amount of money, whatever the revenue share is, there's an nil component. It sounds like there's legislation that'll destructured around that, that maybe it's not in place right now, but it's probably headed in that direction. So I think it's a little different version of the NFL model. Much more so than it's ever been before, let's put it that way. Coaching staffs now are, there are no limitations on that like there were in college. There's some recruiting limitations, but you know, the, the size of the staffs and so forth is not, aren't the limitations. The scholarships have been expanded so that there are a lot of changes in the college landscape. I'm not going to be and say I'm an expert on all of them, but I think it's a little bit of everybody's trying to find not only their way, but what's best for their individual situation.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. So whenever you think about individual situations, a lot of college coaches said I don't want to do this anymore and they go to the NFL. They said I don't want to handle all the shit that's taking place and they want to get to the NFL. That's actually like one of the things, narratives, conversations happening behind the scenes. As this transfer portal nil thing starts happening, saying a lot of these old ball coaches think we're getting away from what college ball is. They want to leave, they want to go to the NFL. Sounds like the way you're laying this out is people who have NFL experience are probably going to be more interested in college jobs. That hasn't been like a theory that has been talked about a lot, but the way you lay it out, it's like you just got kind of like a different NFL. Scholarships are the minimum salary, salary because 105 people are going to be on there. Transfer portal is free agency, period. High school is draft. Like that is as you kind of lay these whole things together. Salary cap and roster construction is just like in the NFL. It sounds like NFL people might be able to be ahead of the curve almost for college. Is that what you were thinking as well when you were looking into it?

[Michael Cole]

Well, but again, I would say based on my experience in the last few months and other people that I've talked to, a lot of colleges are looking at NFL type models or college coaches are looking at some version of an NFL type model to structure personnel and coaching. And so look, the job's obviously too big for one person, no matter what level it's at. You need a personnel director, let's call it a general manager, you need a coach, and you need some type of, let's call it salary cap management, however that's configured, whether that's a third person or it's merged between the two, or however you handle that. And so somehow you have to have those bases covered. And it's certainly not a job for one person. It's a job that's going to take a lot of work, no matter what level it's on, because it's complex. And there are a lot of people that you're trying to evaluate. You know, you're trying to evaluate the entire. Let's just say if you're in college, you know, all the college players and you've got a big high school group. If you're in the NFL, it's all the free agency players, which is not the full, full league, but, you know, it's still a pretty big chunk of it. And all the draft eligible players, which is, you know, probably starts with over 500 players and, and gets whittled down. So it's still a lot of volume, however you slice it up. And it's, again, way too big of a job for one person. So, you know, you'd want to have a team that would be able to, you know, handle the demands of the different areas to put the best, you know, the best team together that you can on the field. Unlike the draft, you have a recruiting element in college where players select the school as opposed to the team selecting the players in the draft until you get the college free agency at the end of the draft. So there's some differences, but I think there's some similarities, too. Yeah, I appreciate the depth of the questions that you're asking, Pat. I really do.

[Pat McAfee]

No, it's real, though, because, like, the thought is immediately why the would Bill Belichick want to go to college football? But then you start thinking about it, it's like, oh, he might be like. Because you talk about having to have a lot of people. You've had to hire all those people. And you also have a Rolodex of people that you've seen work and do all these different jobs that all these other places are going, have to find people just out of thin air or resources or references. All those people already know how you operate and you already know how to kind of build that team, which is a balance. Now, the whole thing would be what you don't know about and what you haven't had to do. AJ Has a question for you.

[Michael Cole]

Coach, let me, can I just interject two things in here?

[Pat McAfee]

One, sure.

[Michael Cole]

Let me put this in capital letters. If.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Michael Cole]

I f I was in a college program. The college program would be a pipeline to the NFL for the players that had the ability to play in the NFL. It would be a professional program, training, nutrition scheme, coaching techniques that would transfer to the NFL. It would be an NFL program at a college level and an education that would get the players ready for their career after football, whether that was the end of their college career or at the end of their pro career. But it would be, you know, geared toward, you know, developing the player, time management, you know, discipline, structure and all that. That would be life skills, regardless of whether in the NFL or in, somewhere in business. And, and you know, I feel very confident that out of the contacts in the National Football League to pave the way for those players that would have the ability to, to have the opportunity to compete in National Football League, whether good enough or not. Not. I don't know, but they would be ready for it. I don't have any doubt about that. So, you know, that would be the, you know, the first comment that I would make, you know, relative to the structure of the program. It would be an NFL program, but not at the NFL level.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Which is quite a benefit to have the guy that ran the dynasty, no doubt, you know, in the middle of this entire thing. Bill, listen to you lay that out. I just thought of every NFL guy, son. Okay. Anybody that's ever been in the NFL that has a son that's in there, like Bill Belichick's offering up a one way trip to how we're doing life. Yeah, we can go. Any expatriate that has a kid, obviously over all those years, I assume they're going to be like, hey, need you to get my boy right. You know, need like that's going to be. That's a big part of like college, though. It used to be development, you know, now it's like a big difference. And if you find the right guys, you can build it. And if you got the resources, you can do it anywhere, especially at a P4 program. But there is one thing that you haven't done yet or we haven't seen you do, at least. Go ahead, AJ Coach.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah. Pat's alluding to the recruiting aspect of coaching in college. I know that's the biggest difference between coaching, NFL and coaching in college. I know you recruit free agents and everything in the NFL, but in college, you're evaluating and recruiting these high school kids. Have you given any thought to that and how different would it be to evaluate high school kids compared to college?

[Michael Cole]

Yeah, Well, I think, A.J. as you know, there's a big level of development from players who are 16, 17 in that range compared to, you know, 20, 21 year olds that come into the NFL. There's still a level of development, but I think in high school you just have a projection. It's much more of projection element. So, you know, generally speaking, most high schools, where's the best player, right? Quarterback or maybe running back, you put your best guy there. That doesn't necessarily mean that that's where the player is going to play in college, but in the high school program, that's generally where the best players go. And so there'll probably be an element of projection of players like that. You know, look, Coach Saban had a tremendous amount of success, as we all know, in his career, taking wide receivers and moving them to corner who then became high round, you know, first, second round draft choices at Alabama that were former receivers in high school. So I think there's definitely a projection element. The high school teams generally, generally put their best players at the key positions, quarterback, running back and receiver to score points. And then, you know, if that's, if that's where they're at, that may not necessarily be their best position going forward. So I think the projection elements a lot different. You don't see that too much. I know we had Edelman, but for the most part you don't see guys that play one position in college and play something else in high school. I think there's just more of that going the other way. And certainly the linemen, you know, a lot of Those kids at 17 aren't the men that they are in the National Football League when they get the 25, 26 year old, just physically mature. So you know, the time that I spent in Washington this year, you know, those players gained a lot of weight. Not just weight, but also strength. And so when you combine the strength and the nutrition programs in a, in a program, you know, you see a lot of quality weight gain and you know, guys going from 240 to 275 or you know, 270 to 305 and things like that, that it's just part of the natural growth for that, that age of the kid. So I think, you know, the kid's frame and his athleticism and, and then you kind of got a picture what that's going to look like when it fills out. So that. Sure, that would be something that I haven't, you know, done a lot of, but that would be, I think, a big part of the projection element of recruiting as well as, you know, whatever the school and the team has to offer.

[Pat McAfee]

Are you going to. Hey, Coach Saban's got a sick two step.

[AJ Hawk]

Got to learn.

[Pat McAfee]

He can cupid shuffle with the best of them. You know, he can dance. He can see you don't even know it. I like that. We don't need to be dancing. We don't need to be dancing. I understand. Coach. We can't thank you enough for taking time today to chit chat about this. I know you're very busy and everything we read, we just think to ourselves. Yeah, well, Bill's gonna be hosting a manicast. Yeah, Bill's gonna be hosting Inside the NFL. That makes sense. Bill's gonna be hosting a podcast. That makes sense. Bill's gonna run a college football professional program. Yeah, that makes sense. Well, thanks for laying.

[Michael Cole]

We'll see. We'll see.

[Pat McAfee]

I read it. I'm just telling you, I read it. We big if, big if, but if it happens, feels like there's guaranteed success, which is wild. Ladies and gentlemen, the goat, Bill Belichick. Thank you, coach. Yeah, of course, whenever you read that, you think to yourself, why the hell would Bill Belichick at 70 some years old go do college football, especially when he's 15, wins away. Yeah, bingo. From the all time winningest NFL coach record, you would think you'd be holding off whatever hope or whatever drive to get back in the NFL. And then he said, I was hanging out in Washington, you know, whenever the strength program is with the nutrition staff, you can really create some good men. You know, it feels like you can really. And then he starts thinking about, I'm gonna let them know, projection wise, here's a pipeline to the NFL. And then also your work ethic and everything else, it's going to be accountability driven. It's going to be all that. It's like, I think he wants to like, shape a next generation. Yeah. You know, like that is. That is probably how he's viewing. And it's like, I'm tired of what I'm seeing in some of these places and what's going on, what they're led, what the next level is becoming at the NFL because these guys are getting paid so much money early. Then potentially, egos get big. You know, all of a sudden some college kid comes into an NFL team, thinks he's already arrived and then maybe there's, oh, they're quitting, they're leaving. So they don't have to do as much. They don't have to face as much adversity. That's not everywhere, but it has certainly happened in this modern era. Not the dude's faults, either. If they see the bunch of money that you can go get, if you come from certain situations and you don't have the vision to be the NFL guy, you're just trying to get yourself and take the money, do whatever you got to do. But Bill's like, we're gonna. The guys that come to North Carolina are gonna be, you know, we're gonna be pros. Yeah, we are gonna. So it's like, hey, Andrew Luck, I am so sorry. Feels like, yeah, Bill Belichick's gonna be looking for those things. Stanford guys as well. And I Talked about ex NFLers sending our kids to Bill Belichick. It's like I was thinking about myself as, like, a dad of a boy who's 17 years old, and Bill Belichick comes walking in.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

He's like, hey, and I played in the NFL. Hey, you remember, Just rattle off the coaches that the guy. Like, I played. You remember when Chuck Pagano used to say, bom, bom, bom. Nowadays, it ain't like, your boy, okay, he's gonna come in. We're going to make him. If he doesn't make the NFL, it's going to be an incredible businessman. He's going to have an incredible work ethic. He's going to understand how to organize things. He's going to learn how to watch film, which you're going to be able to take in to your life and everything else. It's like, that's the pitch I think, that he's going to be giving, and I think he's going to be able to get, like, he's going to be able to get great players if he has the money, resources, just to be able to keep up with everybody else, which we assume will be. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

And what AJ Ask him would be the first thing I would think about. You know, obviously, you know, where he is now in his career and his life, being on the road, recruiting, because that's kind of how we saw how we remember it. But it's different now. I think a report came out a few months ago about Coach prime, like, not even making home visits, because, like, these kids now, they are looking at it as a pipeline, as they. As they should. You know, you go up there and it's going to be a professional outfit and all the different things he talked about. I didn't even think about all the coaches, all the college coaches that he's obviously went and seen their programs admitted pro days, you know, had conversations with these guys about how they run their programs coming into college. The strength and conditioner program I think is probably the most important part of a college program. I think anybody up here would agree that played college football big time college ball, like that's when you really, okay, you go from a boy to a grown ass man. I was talking to Z a couple days ago about, you know, even like maxing out and being your strongest. Like most guys when they're in college, 20 years old, that's probably your peak 20, 21 in the league. It's about being healthy, being nimble, being all those things. So everything Bill laid out, it'll let you know, like, okay, yeah, it'd be a good, a good situation for him on the collegiate level. Maybe that's what replaces the all time NFL record. Maybe he wants to go, you know, a few years in college or winning that.

[Pat McAfee]

What did Calipari say? I want to change 30 more families? Yeah, he said, I want to change 30 more families. You know, Bill goes to all these hall of fame inductions wearing flip flops and stuff, but he goes to him, I assume there is a great sense of pride deep down. Like he wins the super bowl, he's happy rest of the time. How much happiness and joy is there? You're chasing something at all times. That's why he has 10 jobs this year. Because he's just chasing, chasing, chasing, chase and chase. It got to be great, got to be great, got to do this. And that's what these high end coaches have to live like. That's why they live in their offices. That's why they do their entire thing. If he was to gate, if he was to go in there and win, I think he would tr feel true fulfillment if he was able to flip a program in this new college era era and set a precedent for what you can make a college football team, an organization look like now. Then all of a sudden what, he's the founder of the greatest dynasty in the history of the NFL and oh yeah, the blueprint for, yeah, the modern college football. I assume there is some of that happening in his brain as well.

[AJ Hawk]

Well in like the recruiting thing, just like with prime, like the Belichick name sells itself. Like sure you have to go and recruit people, but at the end of the day it's Bill Belichick So if you do want to become a pro, which is why you play college football, so you can go to the NFL, the whole point would be, well, I can go learn from the greatest coach of all time. And then he kind of mentioned in there too, we kind of talked about UNC being a detriment to recruiting just because it is such a good school and it might be more difficult to get guys in there. But he, it sounds like, would be using it more so as, like, hey, the NFL is going to end. Football is going to end at some point no matter what. Like, if you have a UNC degree, if you have an education from unc, you'll be set no matter what your football life turns out to be.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, North Carolina is a good degree, right? Yeah, that's like a very good degree that's worthy of saying it whenever you go in for a job. Yeah. Because some places aren't.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, no doubt.

[Pat McAfee]

Some places actually, I've seen this. It's a reality. People just. Just remove the college that they go to to make them look a little bit better. Actually, you know, a nice suit photo. Here's where I've worked. Here's what I've accomplished. Where'd you go to school? Not listen. It. Don't worry about it. Yeah, so that's. That's awesome. But not also. That's why every time people bring up like, you know, they got. They got a full scholarship to education. Okay. They got a full scholarship to education before the nil. It's like, yeah, how much is that? How much is that worth? Unless you're taking real majors. Real ones like, you know, doctor, lawyer. The ones that you need to be. Business, kind of. Yeah, like, but good business, there's like specialty. There's like actual business classes as opposed to just general business or whatever. Any of those other degrees, are they really helping you every single day? Are. I think they showcase that you are able to complete a task. I think it showcases that you're able to get focused and lock in on something and finish something. But I don't think there's many places that are hiring people that are like, you know what? This person went to Yukon. They'll get it right. No offense to you.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, yeah. Sociology degree. It helps me every day.

[Zito]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Congratulations. He got job done.

[Darius Butler]

That's huge.

[Pat McAfee]

Got the job done. Came a second round pick too. So you got that job done too. Two jobs, you would think maybe three.

[AJ Hawk]

Two.

[Ty Schmidt]

Like a lot of these kids, I mean, like the parents part is huge because how kids he's recruiting now. Like, probably don't remember the Patriots dynasty, really. Or like they came of age, you know, like when, when. When it was at the tail end. But like, you have the parents saying, and I'm sure he's one of those guys too, where you're not running it like D. But knows how those practices were run and everything. Like, he's making no bones about that when he's recruiting kids. Like, so you don't have all this bullshit of these used car salesman coming in telling these kids what they want to hear to get them to sign. It's like, hey, no, this is going to be tough. Like, this is not going to be easy. So you wonder if, like, retention rate overall will be good. Like, he won't. If he were to take this job, he's not gonna have to worry about signing a bunch of kids. And then after that first year, it's like, all these kids were like, this was not what I expected.

[Pat McAfee]

Re recruited.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, I'm getting out of here. Like you would think. Because now too, like, you know, even if they. They didn't know that much about the dynasty, like a quick Google search, it's like, okay, like, this is the guy.

[Pat McAfee]

Like, I think transfer portal this year. If he was to go to a place. Unc. Let's say he goes to unc. Shafter reported they met for five hours. Shefter is not going to make that up. Yeah, Schefter had on good authority that he either had somebody in the restaurant that they were meeting or somebody in the meeting that told him that, or he wouldn't have said that on the show. It's like five hours of talk is a long time. I don't know what's normal. I don't know how many people are getting second conversations or third conversations in any job. Bill Belichick, this guy named Ren Baker. Oh, maybe. Maybe just go shake your hand. Yeah, maybe. Let's see how it all goes. Because the way he laid that out, it's like, NFL guys might be in a good position. Not every NFL guy's a good guy. Good coach. Not by good guy, of course, good guy. You understand what I'm saying? But I'm talking about not every NFL person is great at their job. That's why you see so much turnover. There's a lot of people that get jobs because they're expected to be good and they stink at their job. That happens in the world. That happens in the NFL lot. So not every person with NFL experience is going to be a good college Football coach or GM at this point. But I think if you find like these retired people who are like addicted to the game. Yeah. And they like need it. Like the people he has that are going to be consulting for him down there, there's just going to be super bowl rings.

[Boston Connor]

That's what he said, too. Like, he. He needs it. He knows the type of job it is. You need a good team around you. So he knows. I'm sure he's already thinking, I would imagine in these five hour talks or interviews, they're asking about, well, who are you thinking about bringing in? Who would be your oc?

[Pat McAfee]

Who do you want?

[Boston Connor]

Is your DC like all that stuff?

[Zito]

How long are you gonna coach? He's 72 years old. Is my only.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

How long is he gonna be capable?

[Zito]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, because we've seen people that take jobs when they're real old and then we have to watch them where every four years or something like that, and we go, not capable.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, like that is. I didn't know that. Did we all know that? I had no idea that was the case. Speaking wise, coaching wise, leading wise. So, like, with that whole thing, I feel like it's probably just as he's probably telling you. Telling. I feel young, obviously, we're very much here with it. Yeah, I am. I got a younger lifestyle going on right now. I've been mermaid fishing. I don't know if you know that. Sure. Okay. We're hanging out. I have a good time. I feel good. I missed the game. So if he's pitching, what, five years? That's probably more than enough for a school to be like. Like, that's a whole recruiting cycle. That's an entire graduating class. And then allegedly, you know, his son, he wanted to set up for his son, which, I mean, good play by Bill Belichick. Now, does the school go for it or not? Who knows?

[AJ Hawk]

I guess, yeah, maybe. And even with Steve like you, you would assume if his son does, you know, end up being the prince who was promised, that maybe that keeps Bill around the program too. But to what Ty said about the parents, this would be a great situation for parents because there's no, like, hey, what, are you going to leave? Are you going to take another job? Because of his age? And I feel like in college more than Final Destination.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Like, hey, I'm you. You don't have to worry every single year about me being poached. I'm not going anywhere. Like, the only reason I came to college was to go to one spot for five to 10 years. But how old do college coaches go? Because that dude Snyder in Kansas State, he was. He was in what, his 80s? I mean, Ference, he. He's been in. He's been there for quite some time. Obviously saving coach a while. Who, Joe Paul?

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, Joe.

[AJ Hawk]

Joe Pa. Well, yeah, I think they'll run a different operation at UNC than Joe Paul. But still the eight.

[Pat McAfee]

No, of course. Yeah. I think everybody's running a different operation than that.

[Darius Butler]

How was Mac Brown? How is Mac?

[Zito]

Mac was 70.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah. I think he was a year younger than Bill.

[Pat McAfee]

I thought Zito just told me 72. I don't know. That's Mack. There's like a thousand names just said right there. Mack Brown, 72. Guys, it. Kirk Farin, 68. Whittingham at Utah. I wonder has that been.

[Boston Connor]

He's back.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[Zito]

Oh, he is.

[Pat McAfee]

All right. So that decision.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, he had a one statement. I'm back. I saw it.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Shout out to him. What a weapon over there. That Utah student fan base is the student body. They are awesome. It was very lucky to be out there. Hopefully they're able to continue to go there. All right, let's pivot to the NFL. Oh, oh, last thing on this. To your point about landing final destination, like, that's what I've learned most about this West Virginia gig that I've been trying to snoop around and try to find stuff out. It's like some of these people, it's like, great job P4 program, very young in coaching ranks. So like if successful, probably two, three years.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Is gonna have to be doing this again. But okay, like if you win for two, three years, that's a good problem to have. And then figuring it out in two, three years. Like, I think initially I would have been out on that type of thought. Like nobody really wants to be like, you know what, I hope coach comes in here two, three years and then goes to another job somewhere else. You never really think that about your school. You try not to, but then the more I think about it and the more I talk to people like in the coaching world, they're like, you don't care. Right. If they win, you're going to be in a much better spot. And then also in the Big 12 with the 12 team playoffs, if you win for three years, you might not leave. Like especially with money in the NIO and it might become. You get created. So if the idea is to potentially, you know, pump and dump situation is coaching, who cares? Like that should not be a negative at this point. Because the world now versus three years from now might be vastly different. So if that gets them in the job, who. Yeah, that's a good problem to have. And then if it's somebody who's like, hey, final spot spot here. Let's go and. And win this thing, I'm all about that as well. Like, hey, let's. Let's go for it. Let's. This is your legacy. This is your world. That job is going to be interesting.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, I can't wait to see what happens there.

[Pat McAfee]

Odom getting hired to Purdue changes things. Summer all staying at Tulane changes thing. And. And by changes things, I mean I have zero inside information. I'm following all the rumors that everybody else is following. I texted Ren last week, say you're doing great. Say who I want to see, said you're doing great.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, Bill and UNC would assume change things just because like the perception of going.

[Pat McAfee]

I think that's a summer all. I think that the guy out of T Lane was potentially and maybe Odom too unc. So I think those two taking the jobs that they took this weekend was staying and taking a job was potentially an indicator that maybe they weren't the. Because they all know. Know. Yeah, it's like everybody kind of knows because they all talk to each other. So maybe they knew that they weren't going to or maybe some. I'm not waiting around for other people to make a decision here, you know. And does that mean unc? Does that mean what? Who knows who it means. But those two going to two jobs in West Virginia and UNC still being open is very interesting. Yeah, it's a very interesting development overall.

[Zito]

So did you see another Big 12 team decided to hire a coach that was very successful at that album Water.

[Pat McAfee]

What's that?

[Zito]

Scott Frost is back at ucf.

[Pat McAfee]

He was awesome.

[Zito]

So you can hire a coach that used to be there. That was really good there. That's weird.

[Darius Butler]

Happened to us. Randy Essel, he took us to our heights. We got ranked for the first time, went to a BCS bowl. He left with the Maryland, went somewhere else and came back to Yukon.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I mean, you can always come on, go settle some unfinished business, finish your story. That could always be motivated. Motivation.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Great motivation too. Especially if it's like your home state. A lot of your family still lives there and friends are still there. Would be nice to be able to go do the holidays, you know, without having something loom over your head. It'd be nice to right or wrong, you know, potentially that would be electrifying.

[Boston Connor]

It was give him the gig. Just give Rich Rod the gig. Come home, he gets the culture. He understands the, the. The town, the school here, and he understands all of it.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't want to put that pressure on run for us to say it, but on game day, did you hear Herbie J. Herby? Whenever we did the Jacksonville State, who's their coach down there? Oh, they're dominating in a conference championship. Two years into his stint. Who's the coach down there? And then Rich. I believe it's Rich Rodriguez. Oh, like a big. And then Pete Tamil didn't even put him in the. Didn't put him in like the head coach search. Yeah. So I'm like, who's Pete? Because I am first shoot, no information. I'm trying to stay out of it as much as possible. Just sending good lucks and hey, hope everything's good. If anybody hits me up, I'm forwarding information. That is literally all I'm doing. So when Pete puts that up there, I'm like, who's Pete talking to? Because now I need. Is Pete talking to R. Baker?

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Is Pete talking to maybe those coaches, agents?

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, yeah, they're talking to Pete.

[Pat McAfee]

Which all these people could be valid sources. So whenever Pete says, I have valid sources to say this, it could be from three different parties that could have three different mindsets. And that's why we love it. I think whenever it comes to the reporting thing, Pete Tamil hasn't slept. Yeah, we're in the middle of Pete Tamil season right now. He has not slept. So whenever he doesn't put Rich's name in it, I think that very much worries me because Pete is talking to everybody that knows everything thing. And I'm like, you didn't even put Richard out up there. And I think he said, like, I could at this time, I could. I'm like, don't he just won 5112 or something? Like he's dominating conference. What are we doing? He goes. And I just walked by. I haven't talked to him since Pete.

[Ty Schmidt]

It seems like the Rich Rod thing too. Like, obviously you want to get the right guy, but like, you want to. You want to win the cycle as well. Like, obviously if Bill goes to North Carolina, that'll be massive and that'll eat up a bunch of stuff. But there really hasn't been like that candidate that's emerged that's like the really, really hot guy that like every school kind of wants right now. Like, usually we have at least one or two of those guys when all These jobs open up. So, like, no disrespect to, like, Barry Odom or anything like that, but, like, you didn't see people like Purdue fans going crazy when he got hired. You know, it's like, if Rich Rod got hired by West Virginia, like, sure, some of the limelight might get stolen by Bill potentially going to unc, but, like, you would win. You would win this cycle. You know what I mean?

[Pat McAfee]

Like, it'd be quite a conversation. And that matters now, I think I read online and I'm following, like, Voice of Morgantown.

[Darius Butler]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, ear fanatic, something. I'm following these accounts just like everybody else. I'm calling my friends that are still in West Virginia, like, what are you here? What do you hear? And then I'll say, like, I hear this name. And then the runaway beer truck's like, nope, going to Marshall, brother. And then, congratulations, Coach Tony Gibson, now the head coach Marshall. And that was, like, last week, that conversation happened because Gibby was the guy that recruited me out of Plum High School. He walked into the cafeteria representing West Virginia and offered me a scholarship. So obviously, I know him better than all the other coaches. His entire life's work and football journey has obviously led to him having massive success and him coming back to West Virginia to coach Marshall. And I had heard, potentially the West Virginia gig. So then I remember it's like, no, he's going to Marshall because Marshall guys are maybe going to Southern Mississippi. There's a whole thing. It's like, people boots on the ground have information. These blogs have info. And I'm like, just trying to gather it all. Kotlnicki. I believe Penn State is a name. Yeah. That has been reported by a bunch of people for jobs. We'll see. West Virginia is about to be back.

[Boston Connor]

Though, so it's got to happen soon, right? Right. It's got to happen soon. He's like, they don't want to sit with. They don't want to sit with vacant head coaching position at these spots.

[Ty Schmidt]

The portal's about to open.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we're okay.

[Boston Connor]

We're going to find out.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, they did well.

[Pat McAfee]

We're okay. Just like I said on game day. Good luck to Iowa State in Arizona State. Okay, this is fun. Ken Dillingham. That Arizona State team Cam. Scattaboo.

[Zito]

Holy Scattaboo is unbelievable.

[Darius Butler]

What a dog.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Yeah. Hit the Heisman. I'm the best running back in the country. It's like, all right. Hey, I love that watch. I love that mindset. We watch it break. Well, how Many tackles in a high school football game.

[AJ Hawk]

It was like legitimately 12 tackles, more broken tackles than actual players on the defense.

[Pat McAfee]

And he's been doing that here at Arizona State as well. And he's got moxie. This guy's got moxie. He's also got a thumping head. He's got a massive head. So he obviously says, look at the year. Look what Arizona State just did. We're projected to win four games. We just won a Big 12. We're in Big 12 team playoff. How you doing, Kip? Boom. Bang.

[Darius Butler]

Geez.

[Pat McAfee]

Boom. Gone. Boom. Still boom. Get off me. Get off me. Nuts students. Unbelievable. And then Ashton Gentee, obviously having a phenomenal year. Boise State's in the 12 team playoff as well, ranked number three or whatever. So Gentee has an argument to say, hey, I'm the best running back in the country. Whatever the case. Remember whenever people were chatting about the running back stock market being Don feels like what the NFL is doing right now and these guys coming in and playing how they're playing, it's a good time to be a great running back. And it feels like there's a couple of them that are going to come into the NFL and play very well. Yeah, very, very well. Hopefully as well as Saquon Barkley has been with his Philadelphia Eagles team. What a story. Obviously the game was tight with the Carolina Panthers. He's now the league or the season leader, franchise leader in rushing yards and 100 yard games. Already he's on track to catch Eric Dickerson. I think he knows he's going to have to do that in 16 games as opposed to 17 games. If he does it in the 17th game, they will talk shit to him about it being a 17 game season.

[Darius Butler]

You think so?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I think they will. I don't like it. I'm telling for a little bit.

[Boston Connor]

They'll forget about it after a while though.

[Pat McAfee]

If he gets it, we will celebrate it regardless. Because anytime, all time record is broken, that means something special is happening. But they will try to hold it over his head. They will try to hold her for sure. And I'm talking about the old heads. I'm not talking about like our modern era. They will say he did it, Dickerson did it in 16 games. But nonetheless, Saquon Barkley must watch AJ so much so that now the wide receivers are pissed off. Have you heard about this age?

[Boston Connor]

Oh, oh yeah. So much. There's so much strife and issues and feeling. They just keep winning and winning. Like I don't get it.

[Pat McAfee]

Sirianni Says we got an MVP running back, which is what we needed. The reason why last year happened at the end, we think potentially our run game wasn't as good, which made our passing game not so good, which made everything else not so good. So now they literally figure out the run game better than anybody else in the NFL. Got the mvp. The guy's second half numbers are top four in the NFL as a running back. Just the second of two quarters of the game, he is top four in the NFL in rushing in this entire thing. So they get that figured out. Now where's the ball going to go for the wide? Receivers? D. But do you think we should be worrying about this at all or no?

[Darius Butler]

Oh, I mean they are winning, so that's the biggest. But if you are watching the tapes, even just watching the games, there are points in time where you're like, okay, you know, you gotta make these type of throws. And obviously A.J. brown coming out saying what he said, hey, the passing game, there's only one guy throwing the ball. So that's on the coordinator, that's on the quarterback to be able to figure it out. Because we've all seen it as great as Saquon Barkley is and he is phenomenal, you're going to have to win in a two minute drive. You're going to have to pass the ball from the pocket. And when you have weapons like they do on the outside, A.J. brown, if he's one on one, throw it up to 11 6. Devontae Smith, probably the best two, you know, in the game right now. So if those guys are healthy out there, you definitely want them to be throwing the ball. I know Saquon is great, but you don't want your quarterback coming out of games. You know, with 130 yards, 120 yards passing, it looks great, it is winning. But when you're talking about beating the Lions, beating some of these big teams, even shoot the Rams, if you run into them, you got to get in the shootout and score, you know, 30, 48, 45 points. You want a quarterback that can help you do that. But the defense is great, Saquon is great, he can pound you and finish games. The offensive line is great. So you would think that Jalen Hurts can figure it out because we've already seen him play at an MVP level.

[Pat McAfee]

We always talk about like there's going to be a third and 11.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Or you're going to have to put the ball right here in some, at some point in a very important game, there's a third in mid range there or third in law long, not too long where you just got to hit it out. That's what you're gonna have to do. And if you don't, balls go to the other team. Game over. And that's just like the fact of the matter when it comes to this NFL football. But being able to run is the most important part of the entire thing. So they figure that out. Now the other thing is kind of dropping Sirion. He's probably wondering to his python gods how come we just can't have a nice smooth week one time after another win. They want the game again. They did win, didn't cover. So people are pissed about.

[AJ Hawk]

That's bullshit.

[Pat McAfee]

But they never have like a smooth. Which, hey, that's why we love them. Honestly over there in Philly.

[Zito]

I. I could assume this isn't sitting well with Philly fans because, I mean, we know how they are. And like if. If your team was this good and you had a wide receiver complaining about this, you know how mad you would be at that wide. I assume it's not sitting well in Philly.

[Pat McAfee]

And they.

[Zito]

It's just. That's just classic Philly.

[Pat McAfee]

It is. Coach Sirianni will get the boys right though.

[AJ Hawk]

No doubt about that.

[Pat McAfee]

He's got a keystone battle against Pittsburgh's Steelers, who have been phenomenal. Also. Seattle Seahawks have been great. Didn't get a chance to really talk about them enough. Sorry. It is a bias. Yeah. You don't deserve it. I don't Love it. Geno Smith 60 against the Cardinals. This guy's undefeated against them. Goes and gets a massive win. Seattle Seahawks lead the NFC West. We apologize for not talking enough about it. They're good. Great team. Great team. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Defense, Geno's ball.

[Ty Schmidt]

Jackson, their prime time next week. So boom, we'll talk.

[Pat McAfee]

Lot of talk. Hopefully more about the NFC west leaders. They go into Arizona and steal their dreams. K said Arizona's not got a 4% chance to make it. Whoa. We'll be back tomorrow. Aaron Rogers Tuesday. See you then. Yeah. I think I nailed it.

[AJ Hawk]

Nice. Soto beep.

[Pat McAfee]

765 guaranteed.

[Boston Connor]

And it's not deferred or anything. That's the thing right now, cuz.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm 15.

[Boston Connor]

How'd that happen, Ty?

[Ty Schmidt]

Steve Cohen's worth like $20 billion. That's how that happened.

[Boston Connor]

So you just pay luxury tax or what?

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, they were over it last year, so. And he basically. He basically said like that was going into it. He was like, I'm not going to lose this guy. Like, we need a generational star. I'm going to do whatever I have to do to make sure we get him. And they got him.

[Pat McAfee]

So if you're worth 20 billion, who knows how much is fluid, right? Net worth is everything that you own values combined, including cash on hand. So Cohen's just got. What if he has just a $5 billion play chest where he's like, you know What? This other 15 billion will make enough money off of itself for my family to be wildly wealthy forever. This 5 billion, though, I get to. I get to have a good time with my play.

[Boston Connor]

It's my play money here.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, yeah. And we'll see if I can make money off it, too. Let's see. Let's see if this whole. Could you imagine being that position Juan Soto wants. How much. How much are the Yankees? They're offering 760 million. How about one year less? 765. Tell him that's the last deal. Do you want $765 million? We'll give him 500 million tomorrow. Signs his name on Dr. So I'll give him $500 million in his bank account. Oh, yeah, I want to do a deal. You're a mat. Done. Can you do that with everybody?

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, from what I understand, like, that is basically like, so when he first bought. Bought the team the year after, he spent a shitload of money. He was just. He was like, I. I want the Mets to be good, and I want him to be good right now.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

And just gay.

[Pat McAfee]

And that's how you want your owner to be.

[Ty Schmidt]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes.

[Ty Schmidt]

And spent a bunch of money. And then they ended up like, you know, they, they gave deals to, like, Verlander and Max Scherzer, like, a couple very, very good, like, ace pitchers, but guys who were kind of aging a little bit, and it didn't go as well as they expected. They ended up. I think it was the next year, they traded both those guys at the deadline. And he basically said, like, hey, we're going to pump the brakes a little bit. Like, I'm not just going to be all willy nilly with my money if we're not going to win. And then a year passes. And ever since Soto, like, it was known that he was going to be a free agent, Steve Cohen has basically said, like, I'm going to get this guy, period. Like, that's just. That's all there is to it. And I think that is the, like, that was kind of everything I read was basically like, no one else. Like, obviously you own a baseball team like you're fucking rich and you can do what you need to do, but no one can compete with him when it comes to stuff like this. Like, he can continually outbid guys and be okay with it because he has so much money.

[Pat McAfee]

Who was it? Edwin Diaz. Who was the closer?

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, Diaz.

[Pat McAfee]

They paid him and then he got hurt before the season even started.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yep.

[AJ Hawk]

World baseball class.

[Pat McAfee]

So it looked like they were going to be like cursed almost. But right now, these Mets fans, they.

[Ty Schmidt]

Feel on top of the world, rightfully so.

[Pat McAfee]

Start spreading.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's a Yankees thing. They don't. The Mets ain't gonna be doing that yet.

[Pat McAfee]

It's their city. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now. We're live. We're live, ladies and gentlemen, joining us now. He's a New York Mets super fan.

[AJ Hawk]

Nice.

[Pat McAfee]

He's happy at the moment, although he's normally a rather miserable sports fan. Ladies and gentlemen, the voice of the wwe, Michael Cole. Michael Cole. Cole. Mets are the kings of New York, huh, pal? Yeah, finally. What do you think about that, Ty?

[Ty Schmidt]

I mean, you know what, Cole? You know better than I do being a Mets fan, that, I mean, you're just playing with fire saying that.

[Pat McAfee]

You're playing with fire saying that. Michael Cole, he said you guys are cursed, pal. Can you at least allow me 24 hours to enjoy this?

[Ty Schmidt]

Without a doubt. Like I said, if I was a Mets fan, I would be jumping over the moon this morning.

[Pat McAfee]

He said if he was you, he'd be jumping over the moon this morning. I can hear him. I'm. I'm quite capable. I'm not that deaf. You are. Actually, it's. It's reported you are a deaf son. Met's gonna win the World Series or what?

[Michael Cole]

Well, I'd love to think they are.

[Pat McAfee]

They. Listen, we still need some pitching. I think we gotta probably resign Alonso, maybe Bregman from the Astros. We still got a couple of moves to make. But this, this is massive. Just for the psyche of Mets fans. I mean, we find finally beat the Yankees at something. Finally. After being 63 years of being beaten down second in the city, we finally had a guy choose us over the Yankees.

[Michael Cole]

So to me, it's pretty, pretty amazing.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay? So that's awesome. Congratulations to you guys. Start spreading the news. Oh, he is singing. Actually, what you should do is be singing Meet the Mets, meet the Mets. Get right up and greet the Mets.

[Boston Connor]

That's way better.

[AJ Hawk]

I mean, you got to be kidding me.

[Pat McAfee]

That delivery of that song didn't have a lot of passion. So Mets are good. They're going to win jets next year. We're going to be good, right? That's the. That's the. All right, Nick. Hey, I'll see you soon. I can't wait to see you, dude. Hey, I can't wait to see you guys. Hey, by the way. Well, I'm not going to say it because the last time I said something negative about a big knee York acquisition, I was dead on, and it ruined.

[Adam Schefter]

Two years of my football life.

[Pat McAfee]

So I'm just going to say that Juan Soto is going to be unbelievable for the next 15 years.

[Darius Butler]

There we go.

[Pat McAfee]

You're the man. We appreciate you, Cole. See you, buddy. Bye, guys. Yeah, he. The day Aaron Rogers signed with the Jets, I sent him a congratulations text and he said, this is going to somehow, some way be a catastrophe, I believe is how he worded it. Boy.

[Zito]

Boy, he was right.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

It actually may be worse than he even projected it to be.

[AJ Hawk]

No doubt.

[Pat McAfee]

I thought he was being, like, over dramatic. You're like, oh, I'm a Jets fan, obviously. But he. And then as four plays happened when it started that literally one of the first texts I got was, see, just like, that's how jets fans actually feel. And I think Mets feel. Mets fans probably feel that way as well. And he just said, fuck it, I'm running it back. Yeah, this guy's about to change everything.

[Ty Schmidt]

Now's the time to do it.

[Pat McAfee]

He's a lefty.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And he does that.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah. A little stride. Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Smooth.

[Boston Connor]

Ty, was it expected to be this much? Did you, like. Was this what they projected?

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, well, I mean, it was still. I mean, you never know. Like, a lot of the projections were saying like, 600, 650, but as it kept going up and like, all like, the Red Sox, the Yankees, the Dodgers were in on it, the number just slowly started to kind of tick up. But, yeah, I mean, if you look at this, like, Shohei's contract was 10 years. 700 million, but for the luxury tax. And because so much of it got deferred, it's like practically like a $460 million contract is how they look at it. So, like, if you look at the highest contracts in the history of baseball, Baseball, this is like two times the next biggest one. So, like, that is kind of shocking.

[Pat McAfee]

So I think initially, whenever we found out, and we're a big baseball program, nobody talks about it.

[AJ Hawk]

Huge, lovely game.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it was 700 was the number when it initially started Jet Pass and told us that the Shohei deal is obviously going to be big. He said but the Juan Soto deal might make it to 700 or something like that. I heard that number and I just started saying 700 every time we talked about it. Then the narrative became like 600. 650 is what the narrative came because I said 700 a couple of times. I think when we were talking about baseball. Baseball. I was like proven wrong immediately. But so I think it did have an early projection. Then it went down, and then all the teams that got in brought it back to even more than what projected was good for Juan Soto. That's business. Yeah, that is business. If there's more than one person that wants your services, you are in what we like to call a great fucking position, leverage wise.

[Ty Schmidt]

And everyone knew because Scott Boris is his agent and he's like, he's like the best. I mean, you know, you talk about mulagueta like, Scott Boris is the baseball version of David.

[Boston Connor]

He runs baseball, doesn't he?

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, he has for. Yeah, like 25, 30 years. So you knew, like, no hometown discount.

[Pat McAfee]

No.

[Ty Schmidt]

Like, it doesn't fucking matter. Like, they did. They. They said the Yankees got whatever contract he got. They were going to give it back to the Yankees in the end and see if they wanted to match it, you know, button for button and do the exact same thing. But like, when you knew he was his agent, it's like, okay, he's gonna, he's gonna go where he gets the most money. It's as simple as that. And none of the teams that, obviously the teams who can offer him that much money are teams you expect to be like playoff contenders and compete for a World Series. So it was never just like, you know, a money grab, whatever. He's going to go to a shitty team like you. You knew, like, he was going to go whoever, wherever someone paid.

[Boston Connor]

The Pirates are not offering him that contract.

[AJ Hawk]

You're saying not anybody.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that's.

[Boston Connor]

The Red should have offered him that.

[Zito]

I don't think they do that.

[Pat McAfee]

I think the Pirates and the Red should have said, we'll split it. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Combined. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

81 for you guys. 81.

[Pat McAfee]

Only home games. Only home games. We'll see. We'll figure it out. I do appreciate the people that go and say this isn't fair, but it's like as somebody that comes from a city that's owner is the cheapest of cheapskates, he's like the definition of bottom line owner, only looking at the bottom line. We yearn for the day that somebody with an aggressive mindset owns our team. Yeah. So for all the Baseball people that have kept saying the Pittsburgh Pirates. Think about the Pittsburgh Pirates. Pittsburgh Pirates. I don't speak for Pirates fans because I was never one. But hey, if Steve Cohen was the owner of the Pirates, I would have been one my entire life. I would have been in it. So it's like, if there aren't rules against it and your owner is doing it, I am for it. I think that showcases like, literally from the top all the way down. We're trying to fucking win and we're not taking anything else or accepting anything else. It's like, I love that. Like, I wish, I wish the Penguins could get somebody that was like that. I wish they're hot right now.

[Michael Cole]

Well, they play in a capped league, so they do spend to the caps a little different.

[Pat McAfee]

No, but there has to be a way we cap gymnastics well.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's why like people are saying it's not fair. It's like they're like, they still are getting penalized for doing this. Like you have to pay a luxury tax. So it's like, it's not like you can just do this all willy nilly because you have more money. Like that's what they put in place so that teams in big markets can't just go out and spend a billion dollars every single year. And then teams like the Reds and the Pirates have no way of competing with them. Like they, they are still going to be penalized for spending that much money.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, but this is just like ishpia. Yeah, for sure. NBA is finding me luxury tax. I don't think my fans want to hear a single word about. Right? Boohoo. I'm getting luxury text. They want to see us win.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

That's all they care about. Yeah. It's not fair though.

[Boston Connor]

It doesn't guarantee you anything though. That's the thing. You can sign this guy some way, but it doesn't guarantee you we're serious.

[Ty Schmidt]

This is perfectly fine. It's the deferment stuff that I think.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, but I get it. But like, like that's how you. You'll never get to real like parody, I guess. So like a guy like skiings come in, he has no chance to really compete on like the playoff stage until he goes to leave.

[Michael Cole]

The owner just get off his wallet.

[Pat McAfee]

That's the thing.

[Michael Cole]

You know what I mean?

[Zito]

Like I got, I got no problem.

[Michael Cole]

But he keeps spending money.

[Pat McAfee]

Why can't you sell the team?

[Ty Schmidt]

There's teams like, there's teams like Cleveland though, who like buck that.

[Pat McAfee]

Who.

[Ty Schmidt]

It's like if you do it the right way and you suck for that long. And then you draft guys and they're good. Like, you can win in the playoffs.

[AJ Hawk]

Like.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, it's. It's tough, obviously, because these big guys always end up going and playing in either LA or New York, you know, New York. But that's just the way it goes.

[Pat McAfee]

We need new ownership in there. Scott needs to sell a damn team. That's why they need to do that playoff win rule that J. Yeah, agreed. Decided he could open his wallet, but.

[Zito]

He couldn't even come close.

[AJ Hawk]

Dust fly.

[Pat McAfee]

They just sold seven Springs. It's a little deeper all of a sudden. Sudden for the best tube slide.

[Zito]

I don't think seven Springs went for that much.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, that guy's a terrible businessman. Of course. Can.

[AJ Hawk]

Of course.

[Pat McAfee]

Of course.

[Zito]

Well, no, it's not. It just doesn't snow in Pittsburgh anymore because of goddamn global warming.

[Pat McAfee]

Well. And I heard there's a chance that the poles are actually moving. So what is. What is.

[Boston Connor]

All north and south are moving?

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know. I tried to read Google it. Congratulate. But there's something going on where I guess the. The crust is moved. Fucking. I know. You just look into it. The polls are. The polls are moving.

[AJ Hawk]

Not good.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know what that means, but I know when I'm laying in my house and I hear. Yeah, Outside the other night, it was nuts.

[Boston Connor]

What's going on?

[Pat McAfee]

It came out of nowhere, too. I don't think it was like broadcast, like, hey, look, for heavy winds tonight. It was just like out of nowhere. Holy shit. Is there an arctic tornado? Oh, yeah. It feels like it's negative 15 outside right now and the winds are blowing at 60 miles an hour. It's like, did we know this was coming or is this just. This is drop out of nowhere? I think just.

[Ty Schmidt]

It did. Came out of nowhere.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't like that one bit.

[Ty Schmidt]

No.

[Zito]

7 springs went for 118 million. It's not bad.

[Pat McAfee]

But we could sign Juan Setter for a year.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

We get one good year out of him, though.

[Boston Connor]

You think he netted? Thinking netted. He net 118.

[Pat McAfee]

John Heyman is reporting that there's a $75 million signing bonus because he's a Florida resident, obviously get to know state income tax, although federally, they are certainly getting paid off of this deal. 120 million overall pay through for 20. 25. That's. There it is. That's one. That's Severn Springs.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

No deferred money. Opt out after five years if you want. Five years. We can do this again.

[Darius Butler]

Wait.

[Pat McAfee]

Citi Field suite for family, which is 500,000 plus a year. Okay, so get a suite. I assume there's some private plane time in there as well. If we're negotiating those types of things into the contract. 5 years can opt out. We can do this again, by the way.

[Ty Schmidt]

But they can also. I read somewhere that's, like, there's some stipulation in the contract where if they just bump up his, like, annual salary from 51 million to 55 million, then that opt out just goes away.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[Ty Schmidt]

He's going to be a Met for the next 15 years, and it could.

[Pat McAfee]

Go all the way up to 800 million, I guess.

[AJ Hawk]

Respect.

[Pat McAfee]

You earned it, bub.

[AJ Hawk]

That's all.

[Pat McAfee]

You are exactly. You are worth exactly what somebody's willing to pay you.

[Boston Connor]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

Never forget it. Yes. Person not worth it. Yeah. You know how we know? Because it happened. You know, that's. In theory. It doesn't matter. This is reality. It happened. Now, are they. Do we think that is what it should be, or should it be much less? Sure, you certainly have that opinion. But your value is exactly what somebody's willing to pay you. That is exactly in business. And Juan Soto, the first ballot hall.

[Ty Schmidt]

Of Famer, he's like 26 years old, so.

[Pat McAfee]

What a dog.

[AJ Hawk]

That's awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, let's get out of here for a break. I'm about to. When you're drinking out of these cups.

[Ty Schmidt]

It goes down much quicker.

[Pat McAfee]

I think you said. I don't know who said it last week, Tone, I think you said it. It's valid. It's hard not to just chug these things.

[Ty Schmidt]

Pounding waters and also tastes better.

[Pat McAfee]

These cups just. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

You know, it's crazy.

[Pat McAfee]

Nostalgia.

[Boston Connor]

Hey, I took one. I took one. I got. Let me have one.

[Pat McAfee]

Look at this.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, man.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, how awesome is it to have these, bro?

[Boston Connor]

I, I. I took this out of my bed and showed my wife. She was so pumped. She's like, oh, that's like my childhood. I'm like, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Bingo.

[Boston Connor]

Keeping it going.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Go up to the.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yep.

[Boston Connor]

Make it. Make a little suicide. Take them off.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Never mind. Got to the point in life where I have an ice maker at the house. Oh, it's really cool.

[Boston Connor]

Nice.

[Pat McAfee]

I would say strive for it. Everybody needs to get there. Okay.

[Darius Butler]

Standalone ice maker.

[Pat McAfee]

Open that a little.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, A little pellet ice. Like the good ice?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Good brother. That motherfucker's mouthy. That thing is so loud.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, yeah, I bet.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah.

[Boston Connor]

You gotta clean Them and stuff too. You gotta kind of take care of them.

[Pat McAfee]

This thing's whistling through my house. Just constant. It's like what I was. I was going. I thought a bird had gotten in. Like that's literally what I thought. So I'm like searching new place obviously. So don't know about. About this house. So I'm like going through it. I hear it all and I go all the way back and it's this machine. It's. And it's inside of something. So you can't. Can't even.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Can't even hit the thing. No, no, it is. It is. It full on the ice is awesome. I mean you get a good scoop. Mackenzie likes opening that thing up. She feels like, oh, I just opened something. And then she'll go in, she'll have a couple pieces. That's a cool moment. It needs to shut the up though. That thing cannot be doing that all night.

[Ty Schmidt]

Just gotta charge that one to the game.

[Zito]

I have a tiny little one in my basement. Does the same exact thing.

[Pat McAfee]

It is lot.

[Zito]

I mean that sometimes it sounds like a cat.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what you sign up for, I guess. Yeah. It's cool. I think that leaving the house. Yeah. The fridge that has the. That one's a. Okay with me too.

[Ty Schmidt]

It's done.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. If anybody needs an ice maker, I think I got one. So you want to be a marketer? It's easy.

[Ty Schmidt]

You just have to score a ton.

[Pat McAfee]

Of leads and figure out a way.

[Ty Schmidt]

To turn them all into to customers.

[Pat McAfee]

Plus manage a dozen channels, write a.

[Ty Schmidt]

Million blogs and launch 100 campaigns all at once.

[Pat McAfee]

When that's done, simply make your socials go viral and bring in record profits.

[Ty Schmidt]

No sweat. Okay, fine, it's a lot of sweat.

[Pat McAfee]

But with HubSpot's AI powered marketing tools.

[AJ Hawk]

Launching benchmark breaking campaigns is easier than ever.

[Pat McAfee]

Get [e-mail] marketers craven, the hunter who uses all the methods of the animals. This Thursday, once you're on his list, there's only one way off. Are you like your father? He puts evil into the world. I get rid of people like him.

[Darius Butler]

Who's next?

[Boston Connor]

Witness the making of a new Marvel villain.

[Adam Schefter]

You think you have some kind of honor?

[Pat McAfee]

You're a criminal. Just like our father.

[Boston Connor]

Aaron Taylor Johnson is Craven the hunter.

[Pat McAfee]

Rated R under 17 on a minute without parent. In theaters Thursday. Football. He's amazing. That's A.J. hawk. A.J. everybody's wearing a black shirt today. Let's do. It's here for the boys.

[Boston Connor]

There we go.

[Pat McAfee]

It's here. For the boys.

[AJ Hawk]

Coordination.

[Pat McAfee]

F. Hey, I like. That's good teamwork. Yeah. You know, whenever you're all wearing the same uniform, it means you're all seeing the closet the exact same. That's right.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

This guy.

[Zito]

This guy's problem.

[Pat McAfee]

What a joke. What a joke.

[Boston Connor]

I didn't get the. I didn't get the army memo. I didn't get the army memo.

[Pat McAfee]

The army merch, to be clear. Me neither. Kind of don't like the representation issue going on on this particular program for this year's Army Navy officer, honestly.

[AJ Hawk]

Well, and to be completely clear, before the show started, we were like, you know, too much army, went to go find someone else. Didn't have anything else, but. But last Monday we had the Navy on, and tomorrow we're the Navy.

[Pat McAfee]

That is kind of my issue at this point. I have a pile of shirts in the office there, and they seemingly are just on a rotation.

[Ty Schmidt]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

And what I find out is whenever one of those leaves the office, maybe in a bag to go to game day or something, and it doesn't come back to the office, boy, I'm up against it now. All of a sudden, I'm a shirt short. We got five days and I only got four shirts. And think about this. I've gone down to two shirts before. That has become a real predicament. So then I start going through the boxes that get sent to us.

[Zito]

Sure.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yep. Never a spot you want to be in. You never want to be looking today.

[Pat McAfee]

This close.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

You picked up a shirt.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we did. There was. There was a chance for a shirt to be worn today. That was. That was very clever. Sent into the Thunderdome, which I'm grateful.

[Zito]

For, but it's going to change football forever.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. That one as well. There was a British one that almost. Almost put on, but that one full cowboy hat.

[Zito]

That was nice, actually.

[AJ Hawk]

That's going to change the world for him.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

That's what I was talking about.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what the card was. You're talking about that, right? Oh, yeah. Some got a handwritten message from somebody with this T shirt. That was a high quality T shirt. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Do you know the person that sent it?

[Pat McAfee]

Absolutely not. No. No. But did a wax seal of the handwritten letter.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, legit.

[Zito]

I need to get one of those.

[Pat McAfee]

Those things.

[Boston Connor]

You can go to my. You can get my Amazon. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

No, do you do them?

[Boston Connor]

We've had them. Yeah, I've got them on Amazon.

[Pat McAfee]

I.

[Boston Connor]

Unfortunately, it takes more time to like, customize, say, get like an h For Hawk. So I just got whatever letter they had available at the time. But, yeah, we dabbled around and melted the little wax and did it.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that's. That's the right play. How many cards. How many things are you sending out? You're sending stuff.

[Boston Connor]

I was trying to come up with reasons to write a handwritten cards out, but I ran out of that quick.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, I got a handwritten card, a couple from this gentleman here who had a. Bringing a genius idea. And I'll tell you, the presentation was. Fan Got me to open it all. Yeah. You know, normally fantastic. It's. There's a lot of things that get lost in the sauce here at the Thunderdome, and we do apologize for that. But it's also not our fault. Like, we're not. It's not our job to go through every single box.

[Ty Schmidt]

Isn't usps.

[Pat McAfee]

It's impossible. If people would stop dropping them off, it'd be great, actually. But every once in a while, there's a full presentation that comes alongside of it. It's like, what's this thing? What's this thing? And then I opened it up today, and it was like, sick cowboy hat with this thing that goes on top of the cowboy hat that makes it look like a firefighter helmet. That's what. It's this metal thing that goes on the front of this thing. And then the T shirt was real nice. I'm like, I love.

[AJ Hawk]

Hold on.

[Pat McAfee]

I kind of like, what's going on here. Yeah. Then I read the letter. I'm like, full business idea. This guy's launching a full business right here in front of my face. I don't know who this guy is.

[AJ Hawk]

The hat, though.

[Pat McAfee]

Filthy.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I almost want to run and get it right now. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

One of the best I've ever seen.

[Pat McAfee]

Yep.

[Darius Butler]

Even without the thing.

[Boston Connor]

Is it a metal thing that goes on top?

[AJ Hawk]

Kind of like a crack?

[Zito]

Think it's Kevlar, to be honest.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, could be.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

If Pat were to get shot in the head, it would stop it.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Okay.

[Darius Butler]

Without a doubt.

[Zito]

Wouldn't even come close to making a mark, even.

[Ty Schmidt]

No. Not getting a puncture.

[Zito]

That's a good hat.

[Pat McAfee]

Do you see this thing right here, brother? How do you do?

[Boston Connor]

That's nice. Yeah, Very nice.

[Pat McAfee]

The metal thing, though, when he put it on, boy, it's a lot of pressure on the old eyebrows.

[Ty Schmidt]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

It was, like, really heavy. I was getting a. A headache from this thing. But this is, I believe, a JB formation on the bill here. If you were to go Stop by your local cavenders. I believe this is considered a. A long oval rig.

[Darius Butler]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

It's from the American company. And whenever you put it down, you're supposed to put it down as down like that. It's real heavy. The. The cowboy hats are very heavy.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, they're so nice on the road.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, there's actually a bag.

[Ty Schmidt]

No, did come with a bag.

[Pat McAfee]

Backpack.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, bag.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I just learned. Hold on.

[AJ Hawk]

Great bag.

[Boston Connor]

Normally it's like the big round, like carrying cases.

[Pat McAfee]

No, I got one of those that.

[Zito]

I mean, it's. It's kind of a inconvenience to travel with the backpack. It's actually really the weight.

[Darius Butler]

How many can you put in? How many hats?

[Pat McAfee]

Just.

[Zito]

Yeah, just one.

[Darius Butler]

Okay.

[AJ Hawk]

Not that thing, though.

[Zito]

I think that's a one or two.

[Pat McAfee]

This is a Warner, I believe, as well. But you have one on your head. You see?

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so you got two. This thing. Boom. Dang.

[Zito]

I love traveling with the cowboy head.

[Pat McAfee]

Wow. It's a backpack, though. So you put this thing in here, obviously. Boom, bam, boom. Shut her down.

[Boston Connor]

Strap it up.

[Ty Schmidt]

You're on your way.

[AJ Hawk]

Where's Cloud?

[Pat McAfee]

Jeez. Boy, these are tight. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Who was wearing that?

[Pat McAfee]

Now we're light ranching.

[Ty Schmidt]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

Got one up here. Got one back here ready for any occasion. It's a smart idea.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, it is.

[Pat McAfee]

Because traveling with them is very difficult. Yep. Yeah. And you always get them in the way. They're big, too.

[Zito]

Yeah, I forgot one.

[AJ Hawk]

Forget them in Ireland.

[Zito]

Yeah, it was tough.

[Pat McAfee]

So you get it. Oh, phenomenal presentation.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Great, old buddy. Good luck with your idea. Yep.

[Boston Connor]

Good luck.

[Pat McAfee]

You know who we're talking to.

[Darius Butler]

Great pick.

[AJ Hawk]

You know who you are.

[Pat McAfee]

You know who you are. Great idea.

[Ty Schmidt]

It is.

[Pat McAfee]

Whoever did that is going to be successful, I think, because they cracked through. Yeah. Speaking of cracking through, was AJ Able to do that on the picks over the weekend for the Sunday slate, Week 14 of the NFL season? Do we have the records? Boom. Oh, okay. Nice.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, close, Hawk.

[AJ Hawk]

Getting better, though.

[Boston Connor]

I don't think so. I was trying to remember my picks while I was watching these games again.

[Pat McAfee]

Me too. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

I didn't. Didn't feel great about my picks, especially the Chiefs not covering. Obviously, I continue to pick them. That is a thing. For sure.

[AJ Hawk]

The Saints one was diabolical.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The. The whole slate. I didn't know. I didn't remember what I picked.

[Zito]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Every game I was watching. That's how I am.

[Darius Butler]

Forgettable slate.

[Pat McAfee]

Forgettable slate. Crop slate. But I did remember our conversation about The Chargers and Chiefs. And I, too, always somebody that rides alongside the Chiefs. And I think we were talking about that actually on the show on Friday. And then I finally went the other way. And then I started thinking about it whenever I traveled down to traveling back from Atlanta, because I write up what I want to talk about on NFL game day morning, I'm like, like, yeah, I really like the Chargers. Actually. This is the time, you know, and maybe I was trying to project it in the universe, so I got to experience the happiness of the people that bet against the Chiefs every single week somehow, even though Chiefs always win, I've always bet on the Chiefs. On the Chiefs. On the Chiefs. Like, AJ they're the best team. They're in the middle of a dynasty. I love greatness. Greatness wins, prevails again. But they don't cover for another straight week. And it's just lose, lose, lose whenever you do that. So finally going the other way out was just like, yeah, this is the one. I finally get to experience what it's like to bet against the Chiefs but still understand that they're going to win the game. That's why I thought four points was too many. Like, I thought four points was too many.

[AJ Hawk]

Fair.

[Pat McAfee]

And that's probably what we need to do with the Chiefs just going forward. Yes.

[AJ Hawk]

Because the lines are huge. Like, even for that Chargers team, I feel like four was a lot of points.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes. Felt like a lot. Especially with how Herbert has played.

[Ty Schmidt]

They play the Browns this week. I mean, that they're laying six and a half. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

That's it.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, I don't know there. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Hold on.

[Pat McAfee]

Everything I just said.

[AJ Hawk]

Hold on. Hold on.

[Pat McAfee]

Everything I just said. I might go the other way there. Speaking of that, Bears, I mean, you guys are defying, like, just gambling things.

[Ty Schmidt]

I think it's the first time it's ever happened.

[Pat McAfee]

We tried to look back and think about it.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Jeff. Saturday, on Tuesday of a game. Week was on. Get up. Okay.

[Ty Schmidt]

Throwing pancakes.

[Pat McAfee]

Entertaining the masses. Throw up. Doing the whole thing. He gets hired as the head coach of the Indianapolis Colts. Hours later, if my memory serves me correct, he wins the first week.

[AJ Hawk]

Raiders.

[Pat McAfee]

Raiders. Yeah. Big win. Holy. We knew we had the talent. Just needed a new voice. Then we all know what happened.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

33, nothing.

[Darius Butler]

Don't need to talk about it.

[Pat McAfee]

And then orange slices. Yeah. We don't know if he gave out orange slices.

[AJ Hawk]

We're pretty sure.

[Zito]

Feels like he didn't.

[Pat McAfee]

Coach Riz, earlier in the year for the Saints, this guy took a dump. Clogged the toilet before his first game as the head coach of the Saints. This is special teams. Jesus. All right, Hats.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, there's the ring.

[Pat McAfee]

You see Parker McCollum on his horse, by the way.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, yeah.

[Zito]

Ranching or light.

[Pat McAfee]

I heard what the. You guys are saying. This is the real deal here, brother. This is my horse right here. Grew up to her. I wish he would have went down that trail after he was done. Nothing more needs to be said here. And just. Yeah, I wish he did do that. They accused him of having backtracking and auto tuning at his concert.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, no, that's bullshit. I've been right there.

[Zito]

He's. He's done a one man show.

[Darius Butler]

Right. Yeah, right, right there. Right, right here and right there.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, his. His voice echoes through anywhere. He is. He is a very strong singer. Yeah. So I think whenever somebody says he's backtracking her attitude and that goes against everything that he believes in in this whole thing because he actually says that a lot. You know, I go to stadium, I go. I can go wherever you need. I can go in a cabin at a golf course in maybe Georgia at about 2am Five bottles of wine deep. Sure, no problem. Just absolutely crush it. But him being on a horse, I've been telling him since the beginning, we.

[Boston Connor]

Need more right on stage. Come on stage on a horse every time.

[Pat McAfee]

Time. Every single time. But then traveling the horse, taking care of the horse and stage setup, I guess is not very convenient because I was pressing hard for that. I just want to let you know, for numerous conversations, I press in. At the beginning, he was like trying to be nice and everything. Then he like gave the whole, like. So how is this feasible? How is this even? So we got travel with the horse, we had to take care of the horse. Then every single venue, we got to make sure we have an avenue for the horse to come running in. And then what? The horse just stands there? Horse leave. What happens with the horse? I'm like, listen, you get what I'm saying? We need you on a horse more. So I'm happy you did that.

[AJ Hawk]

Use a cowboy hat, hit the back of the horse, have that thing just ride off into the sunset on its own. Set it free.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, you're talking cowboy.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, yeah, go on.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, yeah, that would be awesome. They're saying he was cheating.

[Ty Schmidt]

Like, again, no way.

[Boston Connor]

No way.

[Pat McAfee]

Not him. He's too.

[Boston Connor]

You ever see anybody in person ride fast on a horse? It's. It's pretty cool to see.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, they're. I mean, I've been to The Derby, I guess. Are you talking like normal humans? Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Like say a human, you know, or something gets up and they do. I remember, like, Jordy's brother getting on a horse and tracking him down and roping and everything. Like, it's cool to see in person because those things, I. I love horses, but they scare me to death.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, me too. They're very big. Very, very, very big and powerful. But I. I've, you know, had friends who had horses and, like, we're very one, like, with the horse. Like, those things are so smart, so majestic.

[AJ Hawk]

Very smart.

[Pat McAfee]

Stubborn. Very stubborn. I think, too. They have, like, good personalities, but, like, if you're, like, in tune with that thing, they. I mean, we saw it in the Olympics. I think Snoop Dogg and Kevin Hart saw it. It was Olympic sport. And he was like, all those horses are crib walking or whatever, because they literally do. They can get those horses to do dressage. Whatever it is.

[AJ Hawk]

Is.

[Pat McAfee]

That is what it's called. It was. Those horses are phenomenal creatures, I guess. It's hard to take care of them, though.

[AJ Hawk]

Need a lot to see that.

[Boston Connor]

Just a lot, you know, takes. It's a lot.

[Pat McAfee]

Like, is Parker taking care of that barn at his housing? Said horse right there? I assume so.

[AJ Hawk]

He better be.

[Zito]

He's ran.

[Pat McAfee]

That's where he's singing at, though, in there. That horse probably one of the first people to ever hear him sing.

[Ty Schmidt]

Could be.

[Pat McAfee]

That might have been. You know what I mean? That's the first audience right there. The Bears, though. Speaking of everything we just talked about, the Bears ruined it for the automatic assumption that first interim head coaches, first game they're going to win, they're going to get the bump. We talked about it on Friday. I said, nope, I'm sticking with it because I doubted it with Riz, and I apologize to Riz for doing that. But I said, nope, I'm going to stick with it. And I remember telling myself, no matter what. That's what I said, no matter what. What I didn't realize is that The San Francisco 49ers are going to be back and play great football. And Brock Purdy continues to play very, very good football throughout his entire career. He'll have a couple games where he doesn't play as great, which happens to every single NFL quarterback, and people want to write him off immediately, but he showed up in a massive way, the entire team. And they dominate. The Chicago Bears in Thomas Brown's first game as interim head coach of Chicago. Now, what we didn't think about was Thomas Brown was up there in the box when he was calling offense and that offense looked good there.

[Zito]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that offense looked good. Fire Waldron, Thomas, Brown run it. All of a sudden we're going to win some games. Cables playing better football than he's ever played. This is the right move. Well, good news. We're going to make him not a head coach. He goes from passing game coordinator to head coach of the team in about three weeks. He's no longer in the box where he's comfortable. He's back on the sideline because he's going to be able to manage the team. Yeah, they look like crop, crop, absolute crop. And I don't love it. Especially for a season that had so much hype going in. Zito. A lot of stakes expiring, victory stakes expiring over there. Wagu. Pat. Wagu. I'm sorry to hear that. I genuinely am. What do you think the future looks like, bud? Is it no? Wagu. Oh, no. It's a neverending carousel. I. I have no idea. Like, it's just going to keep happening. Caleb's going to be very good for a little bit and then he's going to be gone and then we're going to bring another quarterback in and he's going to be gone and we're always going to be losing. That's what. No, that's what it looks like. That's what it looks like. You guys can get it, right? Sad. You could just.

[Boston Connor]

It worries me though. Don't it worry you when Z is off the bandwagon? Because Z has been so positive, like, no matter what is happening a while.

[Pat McAfee]

Aj There hasn't been a lot of.

[Boston Connor]

Probably feels good, right?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it does. The God's been down. God's been down. Anxiety's been high, though. Misery. Victory as well. And what are you losing, you know, at what cost are those victory stakes? Being absent from your life? It started out there as like, oh, so close. Oh, you know.

[Zito]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Then yesterday. Did the Niners just wake up? Do we think the Niners just woke up?

[Darius Butler]

They needed it. They were desperate. Desperate.

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe the Bears aren't as bad. Maybe the Niners just woke up for the first time this year.

[Darius Butler]

How many yards at halftime for the Bears?

[Pat McAfee]

Two or three, I think.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. They had more first downs than yards.

[AJ Hawk]

They fucking stink. That's like. This is like.

[Pat McAfee]

No, the Niners. This is the Niners team we've been talking about. This is the Niners team all year that we've been waiting on. This is the Niners team. Garando goes bananas. Only his second start, I think, in his entire NFL career. They do it. Their defense smothering the stat was 319 to like 2 or something like that at one point in the first half. And yards gained for both sides. This is just the Niners showing up for the first time. This isn't a Chicago Bears stink at football that bad, is it?

[Ty Schmidt]

Well, you know, that's kind of the problem is everyone talking about the Niners this year and saying like, hey, their D line stinks. That's why this isn't the same team. And what do they do? They sack Caleb nine times. So you know, when stuff like that's happened, we've heard Lombardi say it a thousand times. Like, they play in Chicago, they need a good offensive line for whatever reason, their offensive lines fucking sucked for the last like seven years. But I think it is a good thing because I think it might have been Lombardi who said, I can't remember if he said it on this show or somewhere else, but there was a chance with Kevin Warren in the way he is that like they want a guy that they can kind of control to be the next head coach so that he, you know, has quite a bit of power still. If you hire Thomas Brown, you know, like, hey, offense had looked much better. Maybe this is the guy that gets Caleb to where he needs to be. But it's very evident, like, that guy's not ready to be a head coach. So maybe you see that yesterday and it's like, all right, enough's enough. We need to go get like a Mike variable or something like that. We can't just hire this guy because Caleb looked good, you know, two out of a four week span. Like, so maybe that's a good thing and they'll actually realize, like, hey, we need to, we need to get someone in here knows what the they're doing.

[Pat McAfee]

Like, let's start this at all. Yeah. So they're coming after polls too, right? I saw some, I saw some tweets coming after polls as well.

[AJ Hawk]

Big time.

[Pat McAfee]

Geez. Well, he's the only one last one standing that they can.

[Zito]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, because offense coordinator, head coach, who's next gm, as it continues to go like that is. It's got to be something here as it keeps going. And nobody expects you to win games after you fire your coach. Although it has happened the first week for a lot of people. For most, most people it is like, you need to see that. Like there's at least. Is this just a wasted year for Caleb now, is that like, oh, yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, and next year.

[Pat McAfee]

But he's getting a lot of reps, though, and he's getting a lot of. Seeing a lot of things, feeling a lot of things, experiencing a lot of things. The highest of high, you know, get a. Get a couple wins early. Remember here. Remember they hit parade. Yeah, exactly. I do remember. He did take him out in the game though, by the way. Not like previous times. They kept him in. He could get injured. Yeah, they took him out last drive. Okay. It's very kind of them. A little less hits. But he's experienced eyes. Eyes. He's been benching a game and they've been blown out. You're talking about, like, that's a lot of things that I think they can grow upon next year.

[AJ Hawk]

Do they grow on anything though? Or is it just like, okay, now it's Caleb's really his first rookie year now because new head coach and new OC and he's in the building.

[Pat McAfee]

At least I think he understands that it's a profession now more so than just a sport. You know, like that is. I think that's potentially something, you know, like Anthony Richardson, he got hurt early in his rookie year, so then he gets surgery. Then he's not even like around NFL football for a bit because he's recovering from the shoulder stuff. So he doesn't even like. I don't think he even gets his, like, rookie year experiences. Like, there's no. Yeah, first time going through this, first time seeing this, understanding you can do this, understanding you're allowed to do this. So his first time doing that is potentially like this year, you know, as he's also trying to learn the offense still. So it's like another rookie year happens, you know, that's like JJ McCarthy for instance. Conversation is they need to pay Sam Darnold or not. I heard a lot of people making great points for both sides. Okay, Understand both sides completely. But is JJ even experiencing a rookie year event at all? Because he had surgery before the season even started. So is he in the meetings? Does he understand how those things go? Is he in the building? Is he in team meetings? Is he know the week structure, how to do your work, when to do film study, what to do film study, on how to do film study, when to do, like all that stuff that you learn in the building your rookie year. So even if on the field it's not great, at least in the building and professional lifestyle you can kind of develop. I wonder if that's happening with jj, if it's not happening with jj. I think you need a veteran QB again for jj. Now, is it Sam Darnold who has played very, very well in your offensive scheme and has come back to the guy who was picked number three three overall at one point? Like, do you keep him around because you're having success? Can you keep him around with how much money you've given to the offense in Justin Jefferson and everything like that? Because with how Sam Darnold's playing, these contracts that people are getting and depending upon what happens this season for the Vikings, very difficult division, the NFC north, very difficult. But if they want a playoff game or they do something along those lines where the fans just get, like, jacked up and excited, I don't know how you're going to be able to just move on from. But also, his money is going to go through the roof if he does that. Trevor Lawrence got, what, 55 million a year? Hasn't really, you know, obviously high pick, hasn't really won enough. We think he will, though. Let's go, Trev. Porn for you. Trev don't want that. But it's like, Sam Darnold will then be a proven winner. Sam Darnold will be a guy that has, on film, an ability to have pinpoint accuracy, playmaking ability, and the leadership that everybody would want out of a franchise guy. There's going to be somebody that wants to pay him a ton of money. Yeah. And are the Vikings even able to afford that? I. I'm not. 100 sure.

[Ty Schmidt]

Well, we talked about this a little bit before the show, too. Like, I'm not so sure that Kevin O'Connell can't have, like, Dan Jones can't have the best year of his career next year. And we're doing the exact same thing with Daniel Jones at this time next year. It's like, look at this reclamation project. This guy got paid all this money. He stunk. But now he goes to Minnesota. They have two great wide receivers. Receiver is a good tight end, and KOC is just. He's a quarterback whisperer. So, like, I'm not.

[Pat McAfee]

I.

[Ty Schmidt]

No one thought the Vikings were going to. I mean, this is kind of before the, like, when McCarthy got hurt, it was kind of just like, oh, we'll see with the Vikings. Like, no one was expecting them to be as good as they are right now. Like, I could see, because Sam Darnold is. He's going to get like a Baker type contract. Like, there's just no way.

[Pat McAfee]

What's that, like, 45 million? Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Somewhere in that Range per year?

[Pat McAfee]

No, it's like 40. It's. I think his is like 40 or something. Like that wasn't. It was 40 million or something. Baker.

[AJ Hawk]

Baker got like 55 Karen shafts because Gino got the three years 100. And I thought.

[Zito]

Yeah, I thought Baker got three year hundred.

[Pat McAfee]

What year did he get that just now, this past off season, right?

[Zito]

Yeah, 50 guaranteed. So what is it basically like two years?

[Boston Connor]

They're not going to pay, Sam, that the Vikings aren't going to pay.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's what I mean.

[Pat McAfee]

So. But if he. So 35 million is. 30 million is what we're thinking. Because everything goes up each year.

[Darius Butler]

Like Chevy said, though, maybe he just goes and somebody in the market will pay him that if he continues to play like this, especially if he goes on to have any type of playoff success. And then for the Vikings, I mean, it's going to be a risk because, you know, we know JJ McCarthy is talented, but we talk about all the time how the crap. It's the crapshoot in the draft. Like, you know, you draft five, six quarterbacks, you know, two of them are probably going to be good, the rest are probably going to stink. So you're definitely taking that risk. Let's say they go, you know, 13 and 4 or something, you move on to start it all over. And KOC has been phenomenal. He's been great with every quarterback that's been in there. But Sam woods, you know, he was drafted high because of all the traits that he had. And even before he got to Minnesota, a lot of the people I guess in the know were like, hey, you know, Sam Darnold, you know, like, I forgot who came on the show was like, hey, everybody liked Sam Darnold except the Jets. So maybe sometimes you figure things out, you know, kind of behind the scenes. Yeah, Big still said that. And then he's had an opportunity with great weapons around him as well. So if you are making that bet on J.J. mcCarthy, he's in a great situation. But it's gonna be a tough decision for the Vikings. But somebody will pay Sam Darnold if he continues to play this north of 40, $45 million a year.

[Pat McAfee]

And to your point, Ty Koc?

[Zito]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Like, I can see Daniel Jones having maybe not quite the same.

[Pat McAfee]

See, I think Daniel Jones, Sam Darnold, vastly different. Remember, we talked to Koc down at the league meetings and we said, what are you looking for in a quarterback? He said, accuracy. That's all he wants. Sam Darnold, I think he's been known to spin the pill like that is.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, that's arm talent.

[Pat McAfee]

Arm talent has been like his thing. So if J.J. mcCarthy, you know, has the same traits in Koc's eyes, I assume he's like, hey, I could do this with whomever. But Koc might be too good of an offensive play caller because now he's going to lose. He just makes. Made Sam Darnold so much money for sure, which is a good problem to have. And they got a team that defense. Everybody's talking about Kirk Cousins having two Turner or two picks or whatever and having eight picks over the last four games, zero touchdowns. I understand he had that four interception game too. So he's been. It's been bad. But like the Vikings defense, very good. I think everybody agrees with that. Everybody agrees with the defense. Will Reichard's back, the kicker, he hit the upright on one, but I think he made some as well. So, I mean, why not the Vikings? Why not the Eagles? Why not the Lions? How do we feel about them?

[Darius Butler]

Lions?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, great. We think they're a Super Bowl.

[Zito]

They could.

[Darius Butler]

I mean, it's just so, so many injuries.

[Pat McAfee]

So.

[Darius Butler]

Good, good.

[Pat McAfee]

That's why, hey, I said the same thing and I picked against him. I was wrong.

[Zito]

Not to the offense, though.

[Darius Butler]

True. But it's just so. And that's why I know a lot of people, even after, after the win, looked at Dan Campbell and said, hey, that's dumb. I don't. Don't have him as my coach. Don't do this. I loved it like, just like early in the season when the Eagles went for that fourth and three, that throw to Saquon to pretty much end the game sometimes, in that coach's opinion, hey, let me put my best unit out there and put it in their hands to go and win and end this game. So I don't even put the defense out there with Jordan. Love who. I don't care how many times he done it or hasn't done it. He's very, very careful, capable with those receivers and those weapons that coach to drive down and have a chance to win it. So if you have an opportunity as that coach, you already know, hey, nine times out of ten, I'm gonna drop my. Drop my sack and lay it on the line. You know, your team is built that way. They wired to kind of make you right. I love the decision from them. Obviously, if it backfires, it backfires. But hey, this is my best unit. They've been dominant all year long. I'll put it in their hands to go end It.

[Pat McAfee]

Coach Saban said, I always thought, if my offense can win it, let's win it. Yeah, that. That is what he said. And Dan Campbell came out afterwards and said the exact same thing. He said, I thought that maybe they'd be able to tie it if we make it anyways. So I just wanted my guys to go win it. And they did. You know, they responded. The fourth down that he went for on a 29. Yeah, yeah.

[Darius Butler]

On his own territory.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that one, I think is the one that makes you go like, did we have to. Didn't have to do that. You know, do we have to? And I think Teddy Brusky got real, like, I don't want to say emotional, but Teddy gave a full on, like, hey, you're not like just the team that has to roll the dice all the time. You're like actually a good team now. So start acting like it was Teddy Brewski's big take and he was like, emotional decisions, you know, in the moment. He doesn't trust him to be able to make the professional adult decision. Basically. That's kind of what Teddy said. And we hear Tom Brady talk about the end of that game for the Bills. Teddy Brewski also in the same world, the Bill Belichick world of situation football and decision making and all that type of stuff. So Teddy can have his opinion for sure. But that the own 31 was the one that I was like, that's what got the pet.

[AJ Hawk]

Like.

[Ty Schmidt]

Cause at. At that point, it was kind of like if they punt that there and the packers have to punt back, the Lions go down and score, like that game's over. But like, that was the, the thing that really swung the momentum and it was like, okay, the packers actually might win this game now.

[Pat McAfee]

And Dan Campbell would say, I'll do it again. You know, they won the game. So, you know, they're preparing.

[Boston Connor]

I'm thinking defensively, if you're preparing for the Lions, like the first thing your coach probably tells you, hey, we need to be ready for four. We got, we gotta make four down. Like this is a four down team anywhere on the field. Because normally it's like, hey, let's get into third down, third and medium, third and long, let's get off the field. Well, you get to third and medium, they get it to fourth and short. You know, you're staying on the field majority of the time.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And does that go into like every once in a while, just basic math will pop in. And I'll see this team is averaging four yards a carry. So Then you do the math. How many downs does it take to get a first down? Four of them. If they're averaging four yards of carry. And we just do some math here. Can we not just. We could probably. You only have to average, what, two and a half yards a rush. You're getting four downs to get 10. I mean, you know, like, you start thinking about in Dan Campbell's eyes, and he's talking to Ben Johnson like, hey, this all we. We have four downs to do this. So a play that's normally seven yards, we can make that at four and a half, five yards. So, like, the quicker outs that golf hits, we can break those, snap those off a little bit earlier than most people because we have the ability. It is like a full strategy changer knowing that your team is going to spend that extra down well, and especially when the defense is where it's at right now with guys that I've never seen on the football field ever, like, they're going to have to. From this point until the super bowl, the offense is going to have to win the game. So I love going forward it. And to Teddy Brusky's point, like, I understand what he's saying, because as a fan, like, the same old Lions lose that game because they're not aggressive and they don't go for it, and then they give the ball back. Jordan loves, goes down and scores. And his point is like, you guys aren't the same old Lions anymore. You're the best team in the NFL. But as a fan, like, I love every single second of going for it because it works like it's. It's won so many games for us. And so we'll just have to keep riding that out. Who is that high school guy? There was a high school coach.

[Boston Connor]

They never punted, right?

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Never punted, kicked on.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Never kicked extra points either. Obviously, I don't kick off, I don't kick extra points, and I don't punt. So we're playing football. Four downs. We got them. You get them. Congratulations. We score. We're gonna try to score again. If you guys can't recover the onside kick, so what? We're gonna try to get the ball back, and if you score. Sweet. We're gonna try to get it. It's like that was his entire mindset set. And I always said, can't do that at a high level. Can't do that.

[Darius Butler]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Dan Cam was trying.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Jack Fox is so good. He's so good. It was so funny yesterday on countdown. Greeny Was the punter for the Lions. Exactly. Greeny asked the question. He said, I have a quiz question for everyone. Who is the punter for the Detroit Lions? And then they went to break because it was supposed to be a joke. I'm like, actually, it's one of the best punters in the league right now. He is phenomenal. He is very strong. Strong. He's strong. He murders balls. His technique. Awesome. Yep. Like, everything about him is great. Against the Bears, when they had to, you know, had to have a really good punt at the end of the game, pins him at the one. That's just a huge play. So we'll talk about Arizona dropping a dagger a couple of them last night. That was awesome to see him getting us an opportunity for the first time.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

After everything that happened to him and his name being dragged and all that being false and then now bouncing back back with the Chiefs in the way he's playing. Awesome. Let to finish up the Jack Fox. And this also will go to Ariza. So whenever you're on a bad team, okay, you're putting like seven, eight times a game. Six, seven times a game. So you can have like three, four shanks and then your other ones can make up for the average because that's the game you're playing is the average game. Whenever you're punting like twice a game or once a game, it's like, hey, we got no margin of error here. Yeah. You hit. If one gets taken back to the house on you, your nets fucked for the rest of the year. You hit a little shank, it's going to take you three weeks to make up for that thing. So, like, there is a heightened. For the success story of his career. Yeah, there is a heightened amount of pressure every single time. And he's only going to punt whenever you guys are fucked. Exactly. That's the only time. Need you here. Say, hey, hey, come on, come on. Haven't punted, what, two and a half games. We need one. Need you to pin them. Two can't have a touchback. We're. You see our defense. Go ahead and do it. Jack Fox might be the perfect guy for the job. No, exactly. And in that game, you know, fourth quarter, absolutely need a good punt and you're going to force a rookie quarterback to go literally 99 yards. And they couldn't do it obviously like that. That won the game. Arizona is just absolutely destroying. That was nuts.

[Boston Connor]

He's got that dude's got a cannon.

[Pat McAfee]

He's covering kicks. Yeah. And yeah, he covers. He covers Full sprints down there. There was a guy named Rackers, Neil Rackers.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

He kicked off and he would come. This is just an absolute missile. 59 yards right on the dot. I mean, couldn't work out any better. Shout out to the gunner. Getting down there and catching it and also saying, yeah, that ref.

[Boston Connor]

What's the ref doing? The ref was shooing him off the field right away. If you see that. Yeah, I saw that in real time.

[Pat McAfee]

Listen, I. I don't know if he was shooting him off or he's saying, you're the man. No, he's saying, come on, Bill. Who is that right away?

[Boston Connor]

I saw it right away. I think he's even talking to his own sideline, too. He was like just celebrating with his own sideline, I believe so.

[Pat McAfee]

Let me. I was trying to rewind so I could do a For the Brain video. And then I went back 30 minutes.

[Ty Schmidt]

Classic.

[AJ Hawk]

The worst.

[Pat McAfee]

The fucking worst. We need to figure out the fast forward rewind on the digital streaming things. Everybody needs to figure it out. Everybody needs to figure that out. Especially with a remote on the touchscreen. It's easier. But I won't back way too far as soon as I will. I was celebrating more than him. I'm so happy for that guy. I am so happy because what he was doing coming out of college, San Diego State, you know, he was kicking field goals, kicking off and punting. And at all three, he was like, this is the guy. This is the guy. His leg was so strong. His drop in his motion was just like so quick. Like he doesn't really. It's like a quick, like his strength. This is absolutely crazy. And he hits bombs, that guy, and he's not scared to mix it up. He'll spear people. Yeah, he will. He will pick people up. Power bomb. I mean, it is. This guy's awesome. He doesn't. It's. He's a weapon.

[Boston Connor]

He's an athlete, man. You can tell he's an athlete.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, he runs his ass off too, down there. Yeah. Fast.

[Boston Connor]

Good job not floating in the end zone too. You know, some maybe lesser teams with less wins. That guy might fall into the end zone accidentally.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And the ref, you know, is looking for his heels just to touch a little bit so he can fuck over the punter, you know, because inside the five, much better than. Than a touchback. Obviously on the stat sheet, there's been some punters having some big games. AFC north, there's been a couple shanks. That's only going to continue in these windy Games need to know that that's coming. Shank season is upon us. We need to understand that and have realistic expectations. And let's hope that every big punt that's needed, the punters hit it. But let's understand that there is. There's some arctic breezes coming through. Some of these stretch gonna get tough and these balls might move a little bit. And when they move, you see that.

[Boston Connor]

Stunt ball is going to be rock hard too.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh yeah. It's like a golf ball falling off.

[Boston Connor]

A tee as you're going college football playoffs too. That's one thing people aren't talking about the special teams in some of these cold weather atmospheres.

[Pat McAfee]

Nobody's talking about that. You're right. That is very real. I don't even think I've thought of that. AJ that's good journalism for every team though.

[Boston Connor]

Not just. Not just like the cold weather teams for them as well. Like you. You're usually not playing outdoor games in December when you're say you're Ohio State like you're done playing in November. Thanksgiving you're done. You're. You're playing like it could be crazy windy. We've seen the wind at Indianapolis has had and as well as Columbus like it's a little different.

[Pat McAfee]

Man. I let alone the cold, the wind that is definitely gonna exist out here because that is. We are in wind season here now Indiana, it's wind for 11 and a half months of the year. I think probably there's like a two week if you pick days from each season where it's not windy. But Notre Dame is going to be windy as shit.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

It's going to be so cold and it's going to be windy up there. Ohio State is going to be cold in windy. Penn State's going to be cold. And when that's in the middle of farms up on a hill. Yeah, yeah.

[Boston Connor]

So swirling too. Swirling from all directions.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh it is going to be. Yeah, I didn't even think about that. That and you would assume that the cold weather teams have a little bit more of an advantage because the kickers and punters and the snappers, even snappers a big deal here too with their hands and the ball having to travel the distance that it has to travel. And if you have a loose wobbly snap in the cold, it's probably going to move a lot more than if you got a nice tight spiral. That's just like throwing a football. You have to throw a 14 yard reception from somebody that's bent over every single time a punt Happens. So you would think the cold weather teams would have more confidence, which is massive for punting and kicking, having confidence in it all. But it's like that can affect anybody. To your point. One gust. Whenever your play clock is up, you're. And there's nothing you can do about it. Which is why I thank God every day that you guys are so good at your jobs and I get to do this for a living. Did you see the walk off point in the Rams game yesterday? So at the very end, the Rams had to punt. I have it right here. Let's go, Ethan. This was awesome. Seven seconds left here. I think his name's Ethan. Fuck. I follow him. He's super strong. And so they were contemplating running a play and just throwing it in the air, but they said it's too much time. Ethan Evans is his name. Oh, the old slow punt. I hit one of these. Where was that ball snapped at? Go back to that 41. We were on like the 34, so that's great. Geez. Hey, can you put this high through the end zone?

[AJ Hawk]

Go for the net?

[Pat McAfee]

Do you put this high through the end zone? So what happens? Touchback. Yeah, Yeah, I could go do that. Is that what we're really doing right now? Yep, yep. Need to hang one. Need to hang. We got like eight seconds or whatever. It's like fucking great. I'm gonna take a 14 yard net real quick. Yeah. I'll make up for this in three weeks also. We win the game. Who gives a. Never get to do that. Ethan Evans is a dog over there.

[Zito]

Bill's probably should have returned that.

[Pat McAfee]

Should have. There should have been a conversation. Yeah. Where the play started. That 7 seconds, 2.0 second operation. So that's down to 5 seconds. Go ahead and play.

[Boston Connor]

I still thought Stafford could drop back a few times and launch it.

[Darius Butler]

Throw it up.

[Michael Cole]

McDermott said the Bills only had 10 players on the field for this too.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, no.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, yeah.

[Darius Butler]

You got. Is that like an 11 up situation? Everybody going brush.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I don't know why you would have that guy back if he's not going to catch it. You would think they would go gunner like corners in too.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, everything. Yeah. You bring your corners in, right? Because you're okay. You want to fake it. Good for you. Go win the game.

[Pat McAfee]

Ethan definitely thought he was going to have to do fast, quick punt there too. I would think. Like he thought that they were going to be trying to bring it. They didn't. That was just standard eight man pressure. Yeah. I did not see this.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah. Everybody.

[Boston Connor]

The Rams went back and forth. Stafford came out like the. At first time out, all that stuff.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. So it's seven, man. Pressure, pressure. They don't even have full 11 on the field. One, two, three, four, five, six. Situational football cut and play. Yeah, I got four on this side. Or three.

[Boston Connor]

It was cool hearing Tom go through all the situations here.

[Pat McAfee]

You could literally just sit there. If they're going to bring six, you could just sit there. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

I thought. I thought Tom was great this game. He was dealing with the voice. He was. He was battling, you know, I think lost his voice coming in or before the game or whatever, but I thought he was.

[Pat McAfee]

He had an F1 race. I saw him shirtless on the Internet recently.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, that's pretty consistently with Tom, too.

[Pat McAfee]

Second.

[AJ Hawk]

Second half, he's so jazzed up that by the time the game's over, especially with that many points, his voice just starts to go a little bit.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Because we remember when he played, there was times where he would say things and it would go a little bit. Yes. That's just maybe his voice. Maybe. We don't know, but maybe he had a good time. Maybe, you know, he was just so excited it started wearing down. But the way he explained the end of that game. Yeah, that's why you bring Tom Brady in there, A.J.

[Boston Connor]

100%. Yeah. His whole. I know the. The clip with Josh Allen going into sneak. Like, Tom was dead on there. 100%.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And I don't think I've ever heard anybody just say, the game's over right now, you know, and be so matter of fact, like, nah, this is just the way it is. Like Greg Olson, very, very good. He breaks things down fantastically. I think he's great on the mic. I think Troy Aikman, phenomenal tonight. There's three different casts happening. There's a Simpsons cast with Dan Do Love Ski, Mina Kimes and Brad Carter.

[AJ Hawk]

Drew.

[Pat McAfee]

Drew Carter.

[Ty Schmidt]

Drew Carter.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, that's on me.

[AJ Hawk]

Wheezy's brother, dc.

[Pat McAfee]

This is the Carter. Drew Carter. He's gonna be good.

[Boston Connor]

The former play. I played with Drew Carter in college and he played for the Panthers for a little bit. Receiver. It's probably not that Drew.

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe he's a character.

[Boston Connor]

Drew was.

[Pat McAfee]

He was.

[Boston Connor]

Did some, like, TV stuff out in la, so I don't know.

[AJ Hawk]

That might be him. Then you show me a picture.

[Pat McAfee]

I need more respect.

[Ty Schmidt]

Is he the wacky game guy?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I should have known.

[Boston Connor]

That's not Drew Carter. I know that's not the Drew Carter I know. He's not a wacky game guy.

[Pat McAfee]

Can we learn about Drew Carter here? Can we look him up? I, like, know where.

[Boston Connor]

What do you mean they're going to be. So I saw the. The animation of Dano and everybody. They're going to be doing the game as characters. How's it work?

[Pat McAfee]

Drew Carter, who joined espn.

[Boston Connor]

Not that one.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, that's.

[Pat McAfee]

This is not the wide receiver.

[Boston Connor]

No, not the one I played with, though. He may be wide receiver, but I didn't play.

[Pat McAfee]

Is this ESPN's website? That's crazy. They got the Twitter on there. I didn't know that. Drew Carter. So ESPN.com is putting the Twitter name on there. So they know.

[Ty Schmidt]

They know.

[Pat McAfee]

They know. Okay, good. Drudel25. Drew Carter, who joined ESPN in August 2020, is a play. By play comes a studio host. Versatile and talented broadcaster, Carter calls a variety of sports for espn, including college football, college basketball, men's and women's college across softball and pll in studio Carter service, ACC Network and espn. Hey, go kill it, buddy. Baby. Oh, yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Drudel.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, don't kill it. This is a big one, honestly. Yeah, yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

They invested a lot of money into this.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Especially he's been grinding, you know, not grinding. Their sports are all great, but, you.

[Ty Schmidt]

Know, not as many eyes on those.

[Pat McAfee]

There's only so many jobs that come open. Good luck out there. Drudel pulling for you. All right, so we got to watch that. Then we get the man in cast happening, and it is a stacked lineup tonight. Nick, who is on the Manning cast tonight? Bill Belichick, obviously potential future college football coach.

[Michael Cole]

Yes. Then we have Chris Collinsworth, former Bengals wide receiver, obviously commentator for Sunday Night Football.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. And then we have John Legend and a piano.

[AJ Hawk]

Let's go.

[Michael Cole]

Better be playing.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, he's gonna sing.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. If he has a. What if he has a baby grand turn side, man, he's sitting in that.

[AJ Hawk]

Little slot like his commercial.

[Pat McAfee]

And maybe he. He. Maybe he's the soundtrack to an entire drive. What are you talking about? The commercial you're talking about he.

[AJ Hawk]

I remember he's playing a piano.

[Boston Connor]

He wears a cut off.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, no, he cuts his sleeves off. I think during the show. During the commercial.

[Michael Cole]

The Band Aid one.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, it is a band two Band. I think it's a double band, actually.

[Boston Connor]

Triple option commercial.

[Pat McAfee]

No, I think it was a sleeveless commercial. Like, hey, take the sleeves off. But maybe it was a band Aid commercial. I don't remember. I was.

[AJ Hawk]

Piano commercial.

[Pat McAfee]

Piano would be sweet. Could you imagine a drive happening at.

[AJ Hawk]

Night he's singing the play by play.

[Pat McAfee]

No, Peyton and Eli singing. I think he's just provided playing.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe he does a drop in, you know, like an ad lib in there. Maybe that's what he's doing for a full quarter. That'd be great. So we got the Simpsons and we got a John Legend soundtrack.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

And then we got a Joe Buck Troy AIKA production on espn. Can't miss this game tonight.

[Ty Schmidt]

What more could you ask?

[Zito]

I mean, unbelievable game. Also, Drew Carter does the play by play for Celtics games.

[Pat McAfee]

I believe I've got a fun fact. Talk. Lives with Drew Carter. What?

[AJ Hawk]

What?

[Zito]

Certainly.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, Hey, I know that guy.

[Pat McAfee]

I interned with him in Cape Cod Baseball league. He lived in my house in his summer. He does Sports center sometimes. Says talk. All right. If this guy knows Talk. I got faith. I got great. I got great faith. It's going to be a good. No, this is a good thing. We all know talk. What about us? He's talking.

[Boston Connor]

He probably reached out to talk for some advice.

[Pat McAfee]

Talk. Talk. He's an Emmy Award winner.

[AJ Hawk]

Yes, that's right.

[Boston Connor]

Talk.

[Pat McAfee]

Out here.

[Boston Connor]

Get him out here.

[Pat McAfee]

Talk. Have him go back there. Have him go with you guys. Have him go back there with you guys. Sir's just an easy microphone. Get. So I don't have to do a full song and dance.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, it'll be a song.

[Pat McAfee]

He's giving a big thumbs up. He's giving a big thumbs up. We're talking. Big thumbs up.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, man.

[Pat McAfee]

Talk. Hey, what's up, guys? Hey. Talk. I just want to let you know, phenomenal performance at the Big Ten championship game, pal. You did great up there.

[Boston Connor]

Take a dump again.

[Michael Cole]

One crazy guy.

[Pat McAfee]

Hold on, though.

[AJ Hawk]

Holy shit.

[Pat McAfee]

Talk did not take a dump. And if he was to take one, it would be a thunderous dump. Nowhere near as thunderous of a dump that took place in Lucas Oil Stadium on Saturday night. We believe Con man.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah. So I don't know if you saw, but before the Big Ten Championship, there was a shrimp eating contest. Joey Chestnuts, of course, does what Joey does. And he ate, I believe, 21 pounds of St. Elmo's shrimp. There were some other heavy hitters.

[Pat McAfee]

Shrimp cocktail.

[AJ Hawk]

Shrimp cocktail. Excuse me. Some other top 10 eaters in the world. But Joey, of course, took home the victory. We were having a good time in the suite. A couple, you know, Michelob's being tossed back. Some Jack and diets, all sorts of concoctions. And around the third quarter, I left the suite to take a leak. And as soon as I Open the door. I see Joey Chestnuts hightailed it for the restroom. And the restroom is about, you know, 10 yards away from where the suite is. So I leave. I'm like, holy shit, I'm gonna run into Joey Chestnuts in the bathroom. This is gonna be incredible. I did not run into Joey Chestnuts because he was on a mission. I opened the door to the restroom, and it hadn't even closed from when Joey opened it. I was that close to him. And as soon as I get in there, I heard Joey Chestnut saying, is there a stall open? Is there a stall open? And of course, no. Both of them were taken. The people in the stalls actually answered him, said, no, sorry. As immediately Joey.

[Pat McAfee]

Just.

[AJ Hawk]

So I go, I take a piss. I am witnessing this with my ears, and I am trying not to stare, but Chestnuts is damn near leaning against. Against the wall, trying to force the dump back into his butthole with the pressure of the brick, and he is not happy. I wash my hands. I am exiting the bathroom and once again, just talking to himself, like, not trying to hurry anybody. I'm not trying to be rude, but I witnessed the 21 pounds of St. Elmo shrink cocktail trying to exit Chestnut. That's butthole. And I don't know how long he had to wait, but I know that it was a thunderous to steal what you just said. A thunderous poop happened in the sweets. And that is the entrance of the shrimp cocktail. And I know that the exit was just as vicious as it was going.

[Pat McAfee]

In, and it was awesome. That's a historic dump.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, it. I knew I.

[Pat McAfee]

World record dump. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

I knew I was witnessing history as I entered the bathroom.

[Zito]

I think you're dumb and dumber. When he sits down on that toilet.

[Pat McAfee]

And explosion, his legs go up. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

How does he not. He needs to put in his rider that he has a toilet waiting for him.

[Pat McAfee]

So that was. That was later. That was at Lucas Oil Stadium. So St. Elmo's is classic steakhouse here. Their shrimp cocktail is wildly spicy. Yes. Was it horseradish? Yeah, horseradish they put in there. So the key with it. It. You know, and the first time I had it there was like. I think some of the vets took some of the rookies out to eat. We were in, like, a basement of the St. Elmo, and it was almost like it was a haze. They were just letting us. They set them one up, like, right in front of where we were sitting, and they just held off the food. It was like, all right, let's Let these dip shits kind of dive in. And you eat it. And you. You do because it's sitting right in front of you at a steakhouse. This looks nice. Feel obligated to eat this. It's a very. So I eat it and I had no idea what I was signing up for. I had no clue. So that thing you breathe, if you breathe while you're eating it, it gets into, like, your nose and into whatever the cavity is back there. Immediate tears, immediate cry, an uncomfortable whole. Heads on fire pretty much immediately. But it's so good, it may. You want. You go right back to it. You feel obligated. You start dipping like bread into it. The. The game is. Because the flavor is fine. Phenomenal. The game is you can't breathe while you're eating it. So while you're eating it, there's no breathing. So then you just get the taste. You don't get it. Like pepper spray clearing you out into your entire body. So when you do 21 pounds of that.

[Boston Connor]

Jesus.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, 21 pounds. First of all, I don't know how his. His head had to feel like it was about to explode, because you have to breathe, obviously, through that, but coming out, that had to be one of the most dangerous shits like you. So for him just to be. You came back, back to the room or back to the suite, and you were like, joey Chestnut, he's waiting outside of a stall right now. And I almost ran down there to just say I was in the bathroom when he did the world record dump. But then that kid did something sick. I think Drew Hour threw like a seed touchdown. The game got picked up, and we kind of haven't talked about it since. Do you regret not staying in there? Do you regret not speaking up for Joey Chestnut to the two people that are in the stall? Do you appreciate the way Joey Chestnut handled himself in the. No. If you could go back in time, how would you change it?

[AJ Hawk]

I think the biggest thing is, like, realizing how classy of a man Joey Chestnut is for not breaking down the door of one of the stalls.

[Pat McAfee]

World record dump coming.

[AJ Hawk]

Exactly. And just ripping those people off the toilet. Looking back. Yeah, I should have stayed. Should have probably grabbed a chair and just sat in there.

[Pat McAfee]

Security right outside with them.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, exactly. Hey, I need that real quick. Maybe get it for. For Joey Chestnuts to be able to sit down. I. I don't think I would have been able to handle the smell. I think if I was in there, whatever was coming out his butthole was going to be one of the most devastating dumps that the world has ever seen. So I don't know if I could have handled it, but I do wish that I said, like, hey, Joey Chestnut's out here. He just ate 21 pounds of St. Elmo shrimp cocktail. I don't know who has been in here longer, but you need to wipe and get the out.

[Pat McAfee]

For the good of his American icon.

[AJ Hawk]

Bingo. Yeah. The man who.

[Pat McAfee]

They would have done that, too, by the. If they would have. They would have. They would have got out of the way.

[Zito]

Yeah, agreed.

[Pat McAfee]

I couldn't imagine how Joey was feeling when he was outside thinking he was going to dump his pants. Dude at stadium.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's a good story, too, though.

[Zito]

Like, if I would have been in, I just said, come on, Joey. Yeah, sit on my lap. We'll do this together.

[AJ Hawk]

A.C. slater. A.C. slater.

[Zito]

It's American hero for America.

[Ty Schmidt]

I was thinking, there's the £21. But he was also in a suite, probably doing a couple party tricks. I bet he ate, like, four pounds of pulled pork in there, too. Just house and pulled pork.

[Pat McAfee]

Drinking beers like we've seen him. Yeah, the Tyson chicken tenders.

[Adam Schefter]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

This guy can take away 30 chicken tenders in two minutes.

[Ty Schmidt]

Didn't want to do it. Someone was just like, watch this, Joey Chest Nuts. Going to eat 75 chicken fingers in the next two minutes.

[Pat McAfee]

Go.

[Ty Schmidt]

And he just.

[Pat McAfee]

Fuck.

[Ty Schmidt]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, I didn't even think about the post game.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Because I assume he celebrated a little bit.

[Ty Schmidt]

Had to have age.

[Pat McAfee]

We watched him chug these beers, these pints of beers. It was so impressive. I don't know how he does. I don't know what. What happened?

[Boston Connor]

You say like 10. Did he do like 10 in a row or something?

[Pat McAfee]

13.

[Boston Connor]

I mean.

[Pat McAfee]

And like, has he ever lost?

[Boston Connor]

Has he ever lost a competition? He has entered.

[Pat McAfee]

So he's not like the professional drinker.

[AJ Hawk]

Remember, that's the lemonade man.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. What's his name, though?

[Zito]

Eric Badlands.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, Badlands. I don't think goat. Like, that was the big thing. Whenever he is. Whenever. Without that. Whenever. A chestnut was in town for our New Year's Eve show and we were just doing a bunch of stuff and he was going to stop by. I was like, well, you. We. Listen. I know this is probably what you hear all the time, and I hate. Whenever people tell me to come just, hey, we going to scream at this cr. You know, that's kind of my job. Will you do something, though? And he was like, absol. I would love to. I'd love to. I Was like, it's New Year's Eve. Will you do like a drinking one or whatever? He goes, sure. I was like, are you a good chugger or drinker? He goes, I'm good, but I'm not a professional, you know, I'm not a professional drinker. I'm a professional eater or whatever. So I didn't know what to expect. I actually didn't know what to expect then whenever these 13 pints were lined up on a thing, he just deleted them. 70 seconds. He got. He got the first 10 down. No, 10 beers, 10 pints of beer inside of. It's like, where does it all go? That's what I'm wondering. Like, where's all this go for Joey Chase that night?

[Zito]

I can promise you he didn't get rid of it.

[Pat McAfee]

You. You think he did not get rid of.

[Ty Schmidt]

At least not while we were correct.

[Pat McAfee]

What do you mean?

[Zito]

It all got so hammered.

[Ty Schmidt]

He's very drunk. Oh, you're talking about throw up or anything like that. He was real boozed up. So I assume that that. That one just kind of stayed with it.

[Pat McAfee]

He's an Indiana man now. He lives out here.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Congrats, Joey.

[AJ Hawk]

Love you, Joey.

[Pat McAfee]

Now back to big old dumps Talk. Is talk still in there? No, he's gone back. No, we're Pastor Recorder.

[Ty Schmidt]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

I like that. Joey breaks the world record and like still just lives his life. Like he went to a football game, didn't worry about it at all. Doesn't go home and hunkered down or anything. That's awesome. I should have had a portage on somewhere. Yeah, should have had one of those in. No, I will say Big Ten takes over to Lucas Hall Stadium though. You know, it's kind of their operation. They were very kind to us. They brought us mini helmets. They brought down mini helmets. They were very kind, very nice. Petiti walked by, got a chance to shake his hand ever.

[Zito]

Tyrese didn't want to want a mini helmet. That was kind of disappointing.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, Tyrese Haliburton stopped by. We get Pacers fans. We gave a real. We gave our best effort, let them.

[Darius Butler]

Know we did how they do them yesterday.

[Pat McAfee]

Did you beat the Hornets?

[AJ Hawk]

Nah, they lost all to the Hornets Diaries. Wasn't actually at the game. We just FaceTime.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

He's focused on ball.

[Pat McAfee]

No, he took the team to the game for a team chemistry building.

[AJ Hawk]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that is actually what happened. Never mind.

[Ty Schmidt]

And then left him upstairs and came down to the suite.

[Pat McAfee]

No, he said, what's up? Yeah, You're Then he went back up.

[Ty Schmidt]

He went back up.

[Pat McAfee]

They were going to leave early though, cuz Horn is next day. But he was good to see. It was good to see him chitchat with him. Give a little. Hey, how you doing? Keep moving here. Everybody says you look like your patent. That's what he said.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, I did. Because it does sometimes.

[Pat McAfee]

He's not doing anymore. I want to let you know. Wait until you see what this bas team does.

[AJ Hawk]

What the happened last night?

[Pat McAfee]

To be clear, I have no idea.

[Zito]

Or they're really good. Hornets are really good.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, you're right. They are a good team.

[AJ Hawk]

Is Lamelo Ball still hurt?

[Pat McAfee]

They stay. No, he's playing. Lamello Ball is balling right now. He is. And that's the problem.

[AJ Hawk]

And that's for sure, brother.

[Boston Connor]

He had a crazy injury. Crazy comeback. I read that whole situation. Was that him?

[Darius Butler]

That's Brandon Miller, his older brother Lonzo.

[Boston Connor]

I'm thinking, right? Am I thinking Lonzo?

[AJ Hawk]

Brandon Miller for the Hornets is actually the kid from Alabama who's tied up with some bad stuff. He is. He's going ballistic right now.

[Pat McAfee]

He's very good.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, he is playing very good basketball.

[Zito]

He's an athlete.

[Pat McAfee]

And they beat the Pacers yesterday.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Which doesn't say much, but still a good victory on the road.

[Pat McAfee]

That is disrespectful. Let's get to some picks, shall we? Pacers are about to go on a run. Maybe not next game, but at some point Pacers are going to go on a run. And look out Eastern Conference.

[Zito]

T.J. mcConnell with 30 points.

[Pat McAfee]

And we lost.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

What? Well, what do you lose?

[AJ Hawk]

Who else was on the stats? Tell him, Tony.

[Pat McAfee]

Don't tell me. I don't want to hear it. I don't like bad news. Lamelo didn't play. I'm hearing too. What? No ball's team. Him and Brandon Miller.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

Who played? Somebody had to play on that team.

[AJ Hawk]

Brandon Miller, he is right now like their guy because Lamello's out. So it's one of those things where it's like, hey, if Lamella's not playing, you should beat the Hornets easily.

[Pat McAfee]

Nobody's watching the NBA, huh? That's what they're saying.

[AJ Hawk]

No NBA. NBA cup is happening I think tonight and tomorrow. Semis or quarters or some shit.

[Pat McAfee]

Really?

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

When. When's the NBA get going? After Christmas.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, like April's playoffs.

[Darius Butler]

It.

[AJ Hawk]

It really isn't. Ah, who cares? Just because like the teams that was.

[Darius Butler]

June was play don't even have Christmas anymore.

[Pat McAfee]

They lost Christmas. Christmas on Wednesday. Oh, yeah. This would have been NBA Wednesday.

[Darius Butler]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

That would have. Instead, the NFL's like, we can bump game Saturday, right, Jen? It's just like Sunday to Thursday. Saturday, Wednesday. We got Christmas afternoon. We got. We got waf. We got Wednesday afternoon football. Yeah. Sorry about it. NBA. That's what they did. And I can't wait for that Christmas Day. More announcements have been made about the Netflix show. Have you heard? Yeah, I have, A.J. have you heard?

[AJ Hawk]

Great news.

[Boston Connor]

I did read some initial reports.

[Pat McAfee]

Mina Kimes, who is calling the Simpsons game this evening alongside Dan Orlovsky and the legend from Cape Cod, Drew Carter. Mina Kimes will also be a part of the kickoff show on Netflix on Christmas Day. Boom. Two games. Pittsburgh Steelers taking on Chiefs and the Houston Texans taking on Ravens. There will be two games there. Beans. There'll be two halftimes. There'll be a kickoff and there'll be an in between, I assume so. They'll have a panel hosting that. Mina Kimes has been listed to be on the particular show. RG3 will be on the show. Manti Teow will be on the show. What up, boos? And K. Adams will be guiding said show, allegedly. From the report that we read, Andrew Brees. Andrew Brees will be spinning it in there. Can't wait for Netflix to dabble with the NFL, have success and hopefully do it more. The more platforms airing NFL games, the better.

[AJ Hawk]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

And that's a very selfish statement to make, but true. But it's real. Who's doing both?

[Boston Connor]

I know JJ Is doing one game. Who's doing the other game?

[Pat McAfee]

It's the Eagle. Split up Noah and I. So they'll say, merry Christmas, Dad. Probably.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Yep.

[AJ Hawk]

Thanks, son.

[Pat McAfee]

That'll be a fun thing. No, but this is a good family tradition for us to start, which will probably happen if they have success. This will probably just become a yearly thing. J and Nate Burleson. And on the other game, Greg Olson. Oh, okay.

[AJ Hawk]

Thank you, Lord.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, how about Jade's with the Terrible Touts World this weekend?

[AJ Hawk]

Much better.

[Pat McAfee]

Good. Yeah, good. Sarah's candy right in front of his face. He wasn't lying. He called it saris, but it's saris. That box right there. Teaching KOA how to twirl the towel. KOA looks like how JJ Looked the last time on camera with the towel twirl. He has gotten better. We assume the same exact advancements from Koa love the fact he's watching the animated Grinch there. IPad TV is a necessity whenever you are a parent. Especially if you're. Hey, we need like 30 minutes. Just paying attention to something. They lock in. Then co. Obviously, here's Teej. Uncle Teege get an announcement. Bounces off of the animated Grinch. Probably hits the space bar, pauses it. These kids are so smart. So smart. Even go back 10 seconds, maybe pushing the iPad thing. So smart. And watch Uncle Teach. And then boom, right back in. Let's see what this Grinch is doing. Phenomenal work. Shout out to the Watts. I hope it's all on Hard Knocks. That's what I hope happens.

[Zito]

It should be. I can't wait for Hard Knocks again. Because obviously it's a win and it was a division game, so the Steelers are going to be heavily represented again.

[Pat McAfee]

Again.

[Zito]

And then, you know, I'm gonna enjoy this one a lot because they got a tough, tough stretch coming up.

[Pat McAfee]

Ravens are on bye week, right? Yep. Bengals tonight.

[AJ Hawk]

Tonight, tonight.

[Zito]

So it's gonna be a heavy.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, my God. It's gonna be all.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Steelers. Unless they choose to do a bye week story.

[Zito]

Sure. Which they could.

[Pat McAfee]

Which is standard training camp. Hard Knocks.

[Ty Schmidt]

I don't know if we need that.

[Pat McAfee]

We don't need that. No.

[Boston Connor]

I got to follow some guys home. You think?

[Pat McAfee]

If it's Lamar, I'm in.

[AJ Hawk]

Derek Henry got new hair.

[Pat McAfee]

Agreed. If it's Derrick Henry.

[Zito]

Don't love that move. That's bad juju.

[Pat McAfee]

No. What are you talking about?

[AJ Hawk]

They just lost.

[Zito]

I know, but he's had that. He's had his hair forever.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

He's making a change. Bye week. Here we go. We're going to. Right. He's never won a Super bowl, so this is time to dial in. Yeah, yeah.

[Zito]

I. I mean, I love Derek's hair.

[Pat McAfee]

That. Remember he used to have that, like, stinger. Yeah, yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Like, like D Hop has.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Hey, that hit. You had to love that. The pass up.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was. That. That was old school separating from the ball.

[Pat McAfee]

That was very old school football.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, yeah. It's hard to knock it off. Off of a D hop. That was a big hit. You know, kind of got up slow, but he got up, up. Still a dog, but yeah. Love that Charger defense. I mean, they're still playing well. Still got to beat, you know, some good teams down the stretch, but yeah, big hit.

[Pat McAfee]

What are your thoughts on the Chiefs? Age. What are your thoughts on Chiefs?

[Boston Connor]

I mean, I. I know they don't cover, but I still have faith in him. Like the whole Mahomes to Kelsey to seal the whole thing like that. It just feels like that's what happens. And then of course, the dong dongs it off the field goal post and goes in like. Yeah, that's. That's what it is.

[Pat McAfee]

Matthew Wright's not a dong, okay. He's a kick. More specifically, the third kicker for the Chiefs this year. You got some teams that can't hit a field goal for the life of them. Kansas City Chiefs have had three kickers now. Make kicks for them, big kicks for them. And this one, obviously luck, but the Chiefs are still the Chiefs. That's right. And on the last night of the ERAS tour in Canada, Travis Kelsey and Patrick Mahomes pay tribute by making a fantastic showing and giving us an experience we'll remember for the rest of the year. Hell yeah. Thank you, Chiefs.

[AJ Hawk]

Thank you, chief.

[Pat McAfee]

And hell of a run out of Taylor. That air store, I think, was global. All over Global Stadium.

[Boston Connor]

So she has no more. No, no shows scheduled until she does her whole next tour?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I believe the expectation, My wife told me this is that there'll be some sort of hint dropped either at last night's show there was some sort of something potentially that was dropped, or there'll be something that comes out just kind of letting people know or try to guess what. What's her next move? You know, what's. What's her. What's her next move, I believe. Studio. Right. Didn't they catch Travis and her at a studio in New York during a bye week or something like that? So maybe she's making more Taylor edition stuff or everything like that. Whatever the case, she's a billionaire already.

[AJ Hawk]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

From her own grind impound work. Congratulations, Taylor. You go to one of those shows. Shows, it's like holy spectacle.

[Darius Butler]

So now she's about to beat every game. Right. We expect at least.

[Pat McAfee]

I. I would like to say, Taylor, if you ever just want to take a break, I think you can. Yeah. You know, like her doing five shows and then showing up at the NFL games and then just going right back and those shows are just like full. I mean, obviously people work every day, so there's no reason to think like, this is super. But it. She's fucking doing stuff that I don't think any people have done in a long time with the amount of effort, activity and frequency and then all over the place that she was doing and then going to the game, then doing that whole thing and then writing songs, making her own songs, redoing. I mean, she's a impressive.

[Zito]

Tell you what, if she's going to the Christmas Day game, she better be wearing Black and gold. I say that I think she was.

[Pat McAfee]

An Eagles fan growing up.

[Ty Schmidt]

She was, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I think that is. Yeah.

[Zito]

But her first national anthem was for the Steelers.

[Pat McAfee]

So who was the guy that would shout out to Steelers understanding what was about to happen? Who was the guy that sang the national anthem this week? Do you see him?

[Zito]

I did.

[Pat McAfee]

Everybody was shouting him out that we know.

[AJ Hawk]

Cooley.

[Zito]

I saw him. I saw him dap up coach Tomlin. I saw him with Chris Cooley. No, it wasn't Chris Cooley. Not the h. I don't know who it was though.

[Pat McAfee]

I think his name was David. I believe Dave Coolye. It's not.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, I don't think Dave Cooler was good luck.

[Boston Connor]

He's got cancer battle. He's fighting.

[Pat McAfee]

Good luck. Good luck. David cooler. Who? I'm not 100 sure who it is but I have a couple faces in my head head. Sure. And I would like to let all of them know. Good luck on your cancer battle. I hope you win.

[Zito]

Not Uncle Jesse. And obviously it's not Bob Saget.

[Ty Schmidt]

Come on, Uncle Joey.

[Zito]

Uncle Joey.

[Pat McAfee]

Joey.

[Zito]

Cut it out.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Bingo.

[Pat McAfee]

Got it. The moose impression. Yeah, yeah.

[Zito]

Rocking Bullwinkle.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good show. Great show.

[Darius Butler]

Great show.

[Pat McAfee]

Good luck, David. Go.

[Zito]

I don't know know. I don't know who was saying that.

[AJ Hawk]

Thought it was cool.

[Pat McAfee]

David. David. Some of his guys name go to FS Mikey on that's Freak Show. Mikey, Mikey and big morning show. They just did their 20th, I think stuff a Bus where they collect toys from people. They live in a bus in a parking lot for a week and they stuff buses with toys that people come and donate and then they give them out. Obviously around Pittsburgh for Christmas season called stuff a bus. Wonderful thing. But they're like giving this guy a lot of love. They're like shout out to this guy. And then I think shop412 was like shout out to this guy. I was wondering if he's a Pittsburgh guy. To be honest.

[Zito]

I would assume so.

[Pat McAfee]

Especially goes up in daps up Tomlin and everything. I was trying to wonder who the hell he was. He sang his out of it. I mean we're talking.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

I saw the ig.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Way up there. He could really got pipes. Does got pipes. Standing right in the middle of that state stadium. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Dead center at the 50.

[Pat McAfee]

That had to be a pretty cool little picture for himself.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, it was cool.

[Pat McAfee]

Doesn't sound like we're able to find it. Let's. Let's make our picks. Okay. Shout to that guy though. Whatever your Name is. You saying great talent. He hit the. Yeah. Had a neck tat. Right here.

[Ty Schmidt]

Sick. No, maybe it was Dave.

[Pat McAfee]

Cool. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

I think he's got a necktie.

[Zito]

David Corey.

[Pat McAfee]

There it is.

[Ty Schmidt]

Dave Corey.

[Darius Butler]

DC Cooley.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I wonder if he goes by dc. Sure. My middle name is Justin. PJ was there for a little bit and then a PJ came into my life and it's like there's only one PJ you get. So I just respect. DC's a good one. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

DC's a good one.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

David Corey's his name.

[Zito]

I believe so. Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

Can we find a picture of this guy or is there? We can't. That's unbelievable. Who? Me? Anybody? Guys?

[Ty Schmidt]

Ghost.

[Pat McAfee]

There he is. Oh, he's got a chief shirt on. That is not what he looked like at all in the Pittsburgh. So this must have been a few years back because his hair was very long. But do you see the way he's training there?

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean, he sings his ass off, this guy. Sings his ass.

[AJ Hawk]

Cool head tat.

[Pat McAfee]

Let me see the fs, Mikey.

[Zito]

I'm sending the Instagram right now.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Zito]

He has a post from the game from yesterday.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Perfect. Dude, he's cool looking. Is he a Pittsburgh? He's not a Pittsburgh guy. I don't know.

[Zito]

He's got a picture with Wiz a few days ago wearing a bunch of Steeler stuff.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't dapped up. Tomlin, from what I can gather, does.

[Michael Cole]

Appear to be a Pittsburgh fella, but was born in Brazil, potentially.

[AJ Hawk]

Brazil.

[Pat McAfee]

They always talk about Brazil to Pittsburgh.

[Ty Schmidt]

Very common.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, they do.

[AJ Hawk]

Pipeline.

[Pat McAfee]

That is kind of the.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Have you heard about that?

[Darius Butler]

I have not.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I have. I've heard of it. Areas dapping up Tomlin. This is going to be at Hard Knocks. And that's coach Austin, I believe. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

He knows. He knows the boys.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, he is. Tomlin's at the beginning of it. It will start. He'll start back up, I think.

[Boston Connor]

Where's Russ go to?

[Pat McAfee]

Can we scroll up and. Oh, no.

[Zito]

He was a hit contestant on X Factor.

[Pat McAfee]

What? Let's go, buddy. David Corey. Two R's. Yeah. They walk up like they know each other. How you doing? That's right for a game, Tom. And like I see. Felt like it was a Pittsburgh guy. Look out for David Corey. He's the Brazilian yinzer. The Brazilians are okay. This guy could fucking spin it. Let's do some overreaction tweets. Let's make our pick and let's get the hell out of here. The Greatest thing about these particular Mondays is getting a chance to kind of hear how every fan base feels in the NFL. I'll go to the app, I'll type up a tweet and I'll say, good morning, beautiful people. We've arrived at another magical overreaction Monday, and I can't wait to hear how Yin's all feel angry. Send in a tweet explaining your stance on your NFL team. The best ones will make the show. All you gotta use is I don't wanna overreact, but became like number three trend in the United States. We can't thank everybody enough for participating. Ty went through him, found some of his favorites. Here we go. This one's from Conman. Hashtag, I don't wanna overreact, but the worst thing in the history of fanhood is thinking you'll be rooting for a great team, only for that team to turn around and be so stinky it hurts. Two top 10 picks. Hard knocks Adding superstar weapons. The Bears were going to go to the Super Bowl. Turns out they fucking stink. This was an overreaction about another team. Connor, do you believe there's any hope for Bears fans?

[AJ Hawk]

No, absolutely not. And it was great bye week for New England. Undefeated still. And that's kind of what I compare it to, is like the Patriots experience. No Going into the season, hey, this isn't the year. This is a bridge year. Maybe we'll find out if Drake May. That's why as a Patriots fan, sitting at 3 and 10, very successful season, you know, it was fun. Drake May is awesome. Future could be bright. At least we got the players for the Bears. I took myself back to the summer where it's like, holy shit. Keenan Allen, Roman Dunze, DJ Moore, DeAndre Swift, Caleb Williams. This team's going to be unbelievable. The defense finally got it figured out at the end of last year. Like, where they're going is possibly a division title, possibly a. A Super bowl opportunity. And for the product to be what the product was yesterday. It just kind of took me back to like, that is the worst possible situation. Even worse than the Jets, I would argue, because at least, you know, as a Jets fan, like, this is never going to work out for the Bears. It's just. It truly is heartbreaking for. For that city.

[Pat McAfee]

I feel bad for it and for that team to be completely stacked, you know, and now they stink. All you gotta do is change two letters. You're that close.

[AJ Hawk]

Bingo.

[Pat McAfee]

You know what I mean? You're on the. You're always dancing on greatness and terrible.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

Stacked and stinked and then stank and stunk. And that's how this season is one for Bears fans. Sorry about. Couldn't even imagine having that tip. Paul.

[Ty Schmidt]

Man, you kidding me?

[Pat McAfee]

Hail Mary at the end.

[Zito]

That's the end of that.

[Pat McAfee]

The time. Block kick. Time. Lack of.

[AJ Hawk]

Come on.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, my.

[AJ Hawk]

Can't take him with you.

[Pat McAfee]

Speaking of the block kick, there was two situations that happened in field goal block situations this weekend that are worthy of a conversation. Remember when the packers blocked that kick against the Bears? The NFL came out and said legal. Everything they did there was pushing, there was double shouldering, long snapper. There was a lot of things that happened in there that we didn't know you could do anymore. And I think the reason why we don't know what's allowed and what's not allowed, even though they said that one was legal, is because they've changed his rules so much. You know the, the rules on where you can hit the long snapper, how you can hit the long snapper, what you can do to the offensive line, if you're on defensive line, for instance. Pool shoot has been around for a very long time. I don't know how often it is on a regular defense, but in special teams for blocks, there's always going to be some form of a pool shoot. Pool is what one person is going to do to open up a hole and then somebody's going to shoot the gap that is open. Let's go to the game in which it was called a penalty.

[AJ Hawk]

Minnesota, Atlanta.

[Pat McAfee]

Minnesota Atlanta. So right here, looking at the D tackle, okay? It's a 39 yard attempt. Go ahead and press play and watch. Boom. You see old buddy there, Just drop down and pull. Yep. Good. Let's put it up here. Gotta get this big ass cowboy hat. Look at old buddy go. Keep playing it. So look at this guy. He just took down these humans because he went down and just basically underneath. Boom. Cut them, pull them down. Grab arm, grab other one, pull them down. Okay. That is technique that has been happening in special teams for a long time. Long time. Whether it's over here on the edge, they're going to try to pull this guy so somebody can shoot in here, in here. It's easier because you're closer so you can do it. Kind of pull them down, get them off bound so we can shoot the gap. Okay. It's been happening. They call this a penalty now. Do I think it should have been a penalty? I don't know. Because there's A different form of it that happens on a game winner. Now here is a completely different situation with the same Saints and the Giants. Darren Rizzi, interim head coach for the Saints, special teams coordinator for the Saints hometown New Jersey. Okay, so he grew up in the area of the New York football. Giants fans, lotta a lot of families. A lot of family. A lot. They had Sunday gravy out here. I heard out in the parking lot. Elinguini with the mutsanelle, what's like a pizza Ravior lasagna. All the greatness that comes from that beautiful boot country. He had a lot of people there. You saw him earlier chewing out his punter. Okay. He hit the ball right down the middle of the field. Can't do it. He got pretty animated. Obviously he assumed his punter could handle that. But here is a field goal to tie it up from Graham Gano. Great kicker, been around a very long time. 14, 11, 35 yard are pretty low. Good. And play. Watch what old buddy does here. Bang. He pushes on his back so Brassee can get up and over, not touch anybody and then get into the block lane. So the pull down was a penalty but hands right on the back, push down, not a penalty. So as we continue to go, we learn what's allowed, what's not allowed. You get on the back of that long snapper and just hold his. Don't you even, you know, don't you even like stay down there and embarcy. A 290 pounder can somehow with the nimbleness of a ninja, turn sideways, jump up over top of them, not touch the guard or the snapper. Now his knees said we ain't going back up. Like I don't know what you're thinking. But he got enough in and closer to the kick that he was able to block it still. That wins the game. Special teams wins the game. For special teams coordinator interim head coach in his hometown. I think it's cool but I think special teams coaches are going to be like what am I allowed to do? What am I allowed I'd do. And Darren Rizzi said we're going to win a game and I think a game winner kick too potentially versus second quarter maybe being refer a little bit different as well. Yeah, but this is multiple times now where we've seen blocked field goals like actually win games. I love it. I thought special teams was going to be gone.

[Boston Connor]

I didn't think you could do this. I saw this P. I didn't think you're allowed to to even touch the center. I Know, the only rule I know is for sure is that you can't line up, head up on the center and just bowling. You have to be in the gap, I guess.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that was learned from the. No, you can't even be the shoulders. I think the shoulders lines extended. You can't be in his frame, I think is the rule.

[Boston Connor]

But you can hold him down now.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I think you're allowed. Just go ahead and push.

[Darius Butler]

I think that's the biggest thing.

[Boston Connor]

Because if you nick. If Brazine nicks that guy at all, boom. It's a penalty, right?

[Pat McAfee]

Yes.

[Boston Connor]

Anything touches.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. So the push down on the back is pretty awesome. What a move.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And I guess they're just like, let the ref call it.

[Zito]

Yes, we'll find out.

[Pat McAfee]

Let the ref call it. It's a 35 yarder. You're well within the distance. So if it's a 5 yard or 10 yard, 35 yard or 30 yarder, 25 yarder. Graham Gnos was drafted in 2009. He's still in the league. You don't stay in the league that long if you miss those kicks on a regular basis. So if we can get a little. Huh? It's a push shoot more so than a pull shoot. Coach Rizzi's innovating over here.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yes, he is.

[Pat McAfee]

Congrats to them. But block kicks, obviously changing the outcome of games and seasons. Is that what happened to the Bears? Is that when it all went to shit? Or was it the Hail Mary? Amen. Let's go to another overreaction, shall we? It's from Billy Bones, Legend Bones in a burg. Hashtag. I don't want overreacts, but 10 losses, Browns. Hey, I'm putting a holiday sweater on and I'm gonna jingle some walnuts and have a scotch. Stoke the fire for us on the first floor. It's a little drafty in here, El. Lol. Eat you jag offs. Hashtag dog pound. So Bones in Pittsburgh is having a good time.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, great time.

[Pat McAfee]

People in Cleveland having a terrible time because the Browns stink. Bones is pumped about that. You jag off the best. 20 straight, stoked of fire.

[Zito]

22 straighter.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what he's doing. Read. Let's read through again what he's all doing. I'm putting on a holiday sweater. Okay. I'm feeling pretty jolly. I'm a jingle some walnuts. Really get into the season and I'm gonna have a scotch. Why don't you go ahead and stoke the fire for us on the first floor? It's getting a little drafty in here. Eat you, Jagger legend.

[Boston Connor]

Great sign off.

[Pat McAfee]

So could he use some, you know, commas?

[Ty Schmidt]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Periods. It's all right.

[AJ Hawk]

Going so fast.

[Boston Connor]

He's emotional. He's emotional.

[Zito]

He wasn't great at English class.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's gonna happen. It looks like he's a dog. Is that. Is that camouflage on there up there? Is that a. It? What? Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

What is he wearing?

[Pat McAfee]

Looks like the Bane mask. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Ready for war maybe.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I think it's a paint mask, though. It appears maybe he's maybe spraying a little something, you know, trying to save those brain cells. I respect that. Is that camouflage too, there?

[Ty Schmidt]

I would assume so, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Out in the trees too, I guess. Yeah. Bones is. Bones is out there doing a damn thing.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yes, he is.

[Pat McAfee]

And this is. This goes back to the kind of the conversation like, in Pittsburgh for a while there. I don't know what it's like now. Obviously I haven't lived there in a long time. But, like, growing up, you hate Cleveland. Okay. You hate Cleveland and people in Cleveland. Same thing towards Pittsburgh. Like, that's how it was. So, like, even though the Cleveland Brown season is meaningless this year and the Steelers fans think they can go win a Super bowl this year without the team is if the Browns sweep them, I think Browns fans feel okay. Like. And Steelers fans are very pissed about it. And that's good for football. Yeah, I think that's a very good thing for football. And shout out to Bones for celebrating it and telling them that. Don't even think about celebrating it. Stoke the fire.

[Zito]

Worried that he did that. You know, Browns have lost 21 straight in Pittsburgh, but. And they were chanting that the Browns suck, but, man, that really got Myles Garrett going. We're gonna be in trouble for the future.

[Pat McAfee]

Tone is a Pittsburgh Steelers fan. I believe him and Bones. Tone and Bones actually have piled around before a few different times. You don't like Myles Garrett pointing that stuff out? He said he doesn't like what's going on.

[Zito]

Well, he said he's going to use his motivation. We better be on our P's and Q's next year because they're coming for us.

[Pat McAfee]

See, this is what can happen. Yeah, this is. This is what we're saying.

[Zito]

He was fired up. I mean, he had a sack with three minutes left, down 20. And he was celebrating like it was super bowl game.

[AJ Hawk]

And he shushed the crowd.

[Pat McAfee]

Sh. Well, you got to remember in this matchup, it's a big deal to have success. And remember the first game he Took over that game.

[Ty Schmidt]

He did.

[Pat McAfee]

He took over that game in the first half. He set the standard. He set the tone. Won that game. And then he said it in like TE and J. Bumping gums. They're bummed out for me. He should have been a little bit happier. I didn't know. Miles and Tee, same Dragon draft class.

[Ty Schmidt]

Wow.

[Pat McAfee]

Miles, number one overall pick. They said that yesterday during the game. That was a surprise. Do we know that?

[Zito]

I did not.

[Pat McAfee]

No.

[Zito]

I know teachers, like 28th or 30th or something like that.

[Pat McAfee]

And then they do the stats and obviously it's like first, second, and all of them. And it's like Miles was probably actually bummed out about this. Who was. Who was first and all. It was the.

[Zito]

Except for draft pick, because the Browns think so. They're picking first.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

You know, they took.

[Pat McAfee]

Say.

[Darius Butler]

Sorry.

[Pat McAfee]

No, no, no, go ahead.

[Darius Butler]

No, I'm just saying after that game, the first game, I'm. I'm. I'm the number one guy. He did say I'm the top dog.

[Zito]

He was the first.

[Pat McAfee]

But he's so good.

[Darius Butler]

He's good at football, both of them.

[Pat McAfee]

But Steelers fans are saying you said a lot.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, shut up. Jag off.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what they're saying. Exactly. Can't wait to see Brown's back next year. Yeah, Brown's back next year.

[Zito]

James is yours. James's prayers did work. He threw two picks. None of them went for pick six.

[Pat McAfee]

See, he. He could have just stopped the prayer before he said six. He's delivered me from picks, but he just kept saying pick sixes. If he just ask God for the picks, it maybe goes away. Defense playing good over there in Pittsburgh?

[Zito]

Yeah, they're very opportunistic. They make a lot. A lot of big plays. And Cam Hayward is playing the best of his. His career. He's unbelievable right now. He's eight and a half sacks on the season and leads. Leads the D D line and tackles in the entire NFL. He's playing unbelievable.

[Pat McAfee]

He. He's. His relationship with Tomlin's awesome to watch. His hard knocks. I also love Pat Friarmuth scoring a touchdown and punting that ball. Yeah. Yeah. With a perfect drop. I mean, an absolutely perfect drop. That ball is flat. It's facing completely straight. Incredible throw here by Russell Wilson who slides in the pocket, finds a passing lane, finds Fryer and then punts the ball. Ball into the stadium, maybe even out of the stadium, depending upon which side of the stadium this is in. If that was in the deck, that punt if you. If. Do we have the side angle of the. Of the punt? We do not. I think there's a. There's a video or a photo of the drop being perfect from Friarmuth and his swing being great. It's like, of course, the guy. Incredible athlete, able to punt.

[AJ Hawk]

The Rock can do it all.

[Pat McAfee]

7878 bucks, I think is what Mark Kaboli reported as the fine for a first defending punter. Look at that. That's a perfect drop. That is literally a perfect drop right there.

[Boston Connor]

He definitely had a punt in high school at least, right?

[Pat McAfee]

He's pointing his toe too. He's got high tops on in probably ankles tape, so it's not easy to do that. But that drop, that's like a perfect drop. That's. That's like a perfect drop right there. I don't know if I could drop as good as that drop is right there, right now if I had to go out there in the moment and do it. So phenomenal. And look, the late hand release. And when his step is. He had punted. It appears as if he has punted before or at least knows what he's doing. And if he turned that over and that thing goes out of the stadium, we need alternate angle on it. And obviously he said it was a tribute to George Pickens. Somebody had to get fined for a celebration. So he said, I'll do it. First offender, like 7,800 bucks or something like that. Pat Fr M said, well worth it. What were you saying about Friar Muth Moth. That's what it was.

[Ty Schmidt]

Love the guy. I'm not a Steelers fan, so I'm not going to say Muth. I'm going to say Muth Moth are good name, though.

[Pat McAfee]

It is.

[Ty Schmidt]

It's great. But it's not spelled Moose.

[Pat McAfee]

He hit his head off the grinder on that catch. And they reviewed it and they want to see. Did you see Derek Carr? Jesus, man, did you see this?

[AJ Hawk]

What a lunatic.

[Ty Schmidt]

He's reckless.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that was a reckless decision.

[Ty Schmidt]

He's reckless.

[Pat McAfee]

He lands obviously, his left hand down. He jumps. He rides a. He's, you know, I'm going right here. I'm going. Which. Hey, hell yeah. We respect that. Lands and then his head and then his hand and it's like one out of bounds as well. So clock stopped, break hand and concussed one play. That's Derek Carr football.

[Ty Schmidt]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean, that is Derek Carr football. Can we go back to the be? Yeah, here we go. It.

[Boston Connor]

I mean, you got to respect this move. You Got to respect it.

[Pat McAfee]

Big Apple so much.

[Boston Connor]

Look at that.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, Boom. Oh, yeah. Hand gets busted, head gets bashed. He's out. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

So he's done good.

[Pat McAfee]

End of the season, full send it from Derek Carr.

[Zito]

Later time. Later looks.

[Pat McAfee]

He was doing that for Rizzi. Remember, that's interim head coach Darren Rizzi football right there.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

Saying Derek laid on the line. If you got a chance to go get that first down, you go ahead and do it. Even if there's three people and no way to get there, you figure out you're either going around, underneath, or over the top. And Derek said, you're right. This is for race. In movies, it works out a lot better.

[Ty Schmidt]

It does.

[Zito]

Typically, he might be available next year.

[Pat McAfee]

Derek Carr, maybe. What does happen with the Saints going forward? Riz got the boys rolling. Let's go to another overreaction. This is from Matty O'Rourke. Okay, hashtag. I don't overreact, but Kirk Cousins needs to be tied to the polls at Magic City, in stone to death with their chicken wings after his terrible performance this weekend. Zero touchdowns, eight interceptions in the last four games is unacceptable. I'll tell you. It's been a rough stretch for Kirk. Terrible. And they were kind of. They were tagging it as, like, Kirk's revenge game going back to Minnesota. Kirk never said that. Obviously. Vikings never said that, but it was certainly hyped, and I'm sure it was talked about, like, hey, let's go in here and let's do this. They made the wrong decision to move on from. You spend money on other places, and for it to go the way it did and for the way it has. Kirk Cousins is a very mentally tough guy. This has got to start getting real loud down there. Which leads exactly to why we all had the reaction we had when they go number eight overall with Michael Penix. Because naturally, there's a huge conversation happening about, why'd you draft this guy? If this guy's gonna have four games where he throws eight picks and zero touchdowns in it, why do we have this top 10 pick sitting on the bench? It's natural for it to happen. It was kind of predictable. But if your Kirk Cousins in the Falcons. What are you thinking, A.J.

[Boston Connor]

You'Re thinking, I better figure this thing out really quick because not only are the fans and everyone else getting fed up and frustrated with it, that guy.

[Pat McAfee]

Stoned to death with chicken wings. Yeah, that would take.

[Boston Connor]

That might take a couple years, right? If you throw chicken wings at somebody.

[Pat McAfee]

To get those lemon peppers down there. There's a lot of meat from what I've been told.

[Darius Butler]

Good wing.

[Pat McAfee]

And then I. I heard there was a music video shot there too. Yeah. With this past weekend.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I saw Stocking My Georgia Way. That's Luke, Brian Quavo, and Teddy Swimsuit. Teddy Swimsuit?

[Boston Connor]

He can sing.

[Pat McAfee]

Really? He does. He got some pipes. Yeah, that's a banger. Magic City Wings are real deal. I don't know if it could kill a guy, especially Kirk Cousins, but boy, they don't like him right now. D Butch skin loud.

[Darius Butler]

He's struggling. Obviously whenever you got that high pick on the sideline or bench, it's going to get even louder, even quicker. But yeah, you would hope he would figure it out. Especially you. The Falcons, a few weeks ago, they're sitting at the top of the NFC south. And now Baker Mayfield and the Buck are getting healthier. So now you lose that home game. To be loud. How. How much money, how many more years is he under contract?

[Pat McAfee]

Two more.

[Darius Butler]

Two more?

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah. It's a four year deal, but actually, yeah, actually, yeah. Yeah.

[Zito]

Well, how many?

[Darius Butler]

Got to figure it out.

[Zito]

100 guaranteed.

[Pat McAfee]

130, some out of cheese. 180 total. 130 guarantee.

[AJ Hawk]

Maybe put in Penx.

[Pat McAfee]

Geez.

[Ty Schmidt]

Got to try something.

[AJ Hawk]

Put them in. Let's just. Let's see what you got.

[Pat McAfee]

They had a K like graphic on something I was watching and it was like, who's going to win the NFC South? And they had the Bucks and the Falcons and it was from some. And the Falcons just going like this. And then the Bucks just going like this.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Was that Kornaki or who was it?

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, it was Koraki. It was from like week nine when the Falcons were six and three. And I forget what the Bucks were, but they weren't doing what they're doing now. And it was like minus a thousand for the Falcons plus like 600 for the Bucks to win the division. And now it is.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, and the graphic is very. It's like the stock market.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Bad graphic for a team. And it looks. I mean, it's just not good. It's bad. And then all of a sudden, you know, the Bucks are going like this. It's like that's a bad graph right now down there in Atlanta.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, no.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, look at that, that bottom one. I mean, that thing that looks bad. That's like visual. Who's cold, who's hot? Steve K. He was really rolling. He underlined a wreck record and then circled a record later to make a different point. About an upcoming schedule. And then he. He wrote in a percentage before game 50%. And then it went down to this other thing. The only thing I will say to Kordaki, it wasn't his fault. It was the angle in which the camera was. The Niners percentages were behind him. Couldn't see him. I was waiting on him. But somebody. The Cardinals went to like 4% after that loss. They went in at like 60% or something.

[Zito]

Yeah, they've been cold.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Big win for the Seahawks. Congrats to Seahawks, Rams, Seahawks last week Kornaki taught me that.

[AJ Hawk]

Gonna be a banger.

[Pat McAfee]

I like when Kornaki gets to work on those things.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, Cardinals got a get back game too.

[Pat McAfee]

Who's that?

[AJ Hawk]

They got the Patriots in Arizona off a bye.

[Zito]

That's no gimme.

[Michael Cole]

Packers at Seahawks this weekend too. Big game.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

How do you feel?

[Ty Schmidt]

Me?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Pretty good. Gotta respond, gotta respond. You know, there's a team that's leading their division and I mean, it's tough though because the packers really don't like they're seating. They can't really get any higher. So they kind of just like they're not forced to play their best football. But I believe if they get a win, they will clinch a playoff berth.

[Pat McAfee]

So that's a big deal.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Huge. We are in clinching season. Congrats to the Chiefs. They win the AFC West. Matthew, right. He's been on the team for a few weeks. Had a hat on in his post game. Presser had a game winner. He should be very proud of that game ball. Is Bucker coming back?

[AJ Hawk]

I think so.

[Pat McAfee]

He's on a sideline.

[Darius Butler]

He's not got. He was four week ir.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

I think he's got a couple. One or two more weeks.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

See, obviously good that Matt Wright hits that kick and Bucker was happy. They showed Bucker a lot. But that thing sneaking in is good for the team. With Bucker I think coming back, you.

[Ty Schmidt]

Know, let's get our guy back.

[Pat McAfee]

Fans like, yeah, Buckers, that is. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Second kicker since two right down the.

[Pat McAfee]

Middle every single time. All right, let's go to another reaction, shall we? This is from Sabres in 2025. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Okay.

[Ty Schmidt]

Not a champion.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

CDs an idiot.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's not a chance.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, CDs. Hashtag. I don't want to overreact, but the Buffalo Bills are never winning anything as long as Sean McDermott is managing the clock. Go Bills. Was there a lot of this?

[Ty Schmidt]

A lot of this.

[Pat McAfee]

Tom Brady just completely.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yep. A lot of this. And a lot of like, hey, after the season, they need to fucking fire their special teams coach.

[Pat McAfee]

Really locked punt, big deal.

[Ty Schmidt]

Block punt. And then I don't know if people just are kind of done with Bass being as up and down as he's been. But yeah, a lot of those and a lot of it. Sean McDermott is going to be the fucking downfall of this team.

[Pat McAfee]

Tom Brady saying everything he's saying. Then they're cutting to McDermott on a sideline. And then Tom Brady's talking, then they're showing McDermott on the sideline, then they show Josh Allen and let's get one last shot. This is the guy's fault we're talking about here. If you're wondering, the soundtrack that you're hearing right now from Tom Brady is right about this guy. Just so you need to know, it's like, damn Bills fans are like, thank you. Is that. Is that the greatest of all time? This is what we've been saying this entire fucking time. And if you lose that game, it's going to get loud. And they did, man. And Josh Allen had a historic game.

[Darius Butler]

That's the toughest part. When you were head coach and your quarterback is every year we talk about, oh, he's responsible for most touchdowns, he's in an MVP conversation, and you're not even getting to a Super Bowl. Obviously we know Patrick Mahomes is there. You had the 13 seconds game. But then yesterday what happened with the with sneak, which Joe Brady, he probably had absolutely nothing to do with that play call. And I can understand why Joe Brady would call it in that situation, I guess. And then the end of the game would not even having the full punt rush or somebody return it, like just. I mean, that's all time bad.

[Pat McAfee]

It's getting loud.

[AJ Hawk]

Well, even if you're doing the QB sneak though, wouldn't you just do an off? Obviously, I mean, hindsight, whatever, but wouldn't you say like, hey, if we don't get it the first time, just line.

[Darius Butler]

Back up now you. You can't because one as defenders, we're laying on you. We're getting off slow, so we. We're trying to burn half 30 seconds. So like if you running, you don't get in. You got to burn that time out. Once you burn that time out. You heard time. I mean, like you said, that's why you got time in there. Just like Peyton on. On his call. Eli, when they're talking like those dudes get pissed off over like game like the knee. Hey, neat one here, need one Here. Like, they get pissed off over that game management shit. It all matters.

[Pat McAfee]

This game's over. They got a 3% chance to win this game. No matter what happens on this next play. They got a 3% chance. That's what onside kicks have been, if you're wondering. And he was, like, disgusted.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

So pissed.

[Ty Schmidt]

They just lost the game.

[Pat McAfee]

And that was it right there.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Good job. Not. This guy just had the best game a quarterback's ever had. And in a loss, who cares? That's what Tom's saying?

[Ty Schmidt]

Pretty much, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's go to another reaction, shall we? They'll get back if they want a Super bowl, it's all who care. Everything else doesn't matter. Scott Moore. I've seen Scott Mo on the Internet. 949-50375. Those are his favorite. That's his favorite number.

[Ty Schmidt]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

Hashtag. I don't want to react, but Eagles are losing in the first round of the playoffs because Jalen hurts ability to read a defense is hooked on phonics. Holy shit. Level terrible. LeVar Burton's reading rainbow can't even help. Holy hooked on phonics Worked for me. I remember that back in the day. For those who couldn't read. I cannot believe I've not heard that about a quarterback. Ability to read a defense before. Scott Mo, 94950375 drops that into our world. LeVar Burton reading Rainbow. I remember that show every Saturday.

[Zito]

I think he came on.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, my God. I'm surprised you didn't bring up the points. The breakfast.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, yeah, the box tops.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, the box stops. For every book you read, you get a. You do an entire thing. For Pizza Hut. I think it was for pizza. They're saying Jalen don't know about defenses. Yikes. Have we watched film? Do we know if that's true?

[Darius Butler]

It can be improved.

[Pat McAfee]

How do we know that?

[Boston Connor]

Because he's missing some open guys.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, it's just. I forget who was calling the game. But even they called it out, like, sometimes you call routes and you know the coverage and you see it and you just don't throw it. That's where it's like, okay, what? Like, is he overthinking it? Is he scared to pull the trigger? Because once again, you know, he has the talent. We've seen him make throws, but, you know, defenses start disguising. Once defenses start seeing it, you start disguising. You start bringing pressure up the middle, like some batted balls. But he has other, you know, super. He can obviously run the ball. He can extend plays, but you want a quarterback to be able to play on time, read coverages and his. And he's not doing that consistent enough right now.

[Pat McAfee]

So Kellen Moore is calling a play that's a cover two beater.

[Darius Butler]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

So Jalen doesn't know it's cover two, though. So he throws two. What's actually the man throw probably in the play.

[Darius Butler]

It's hard even say because what I saw on tape is he sees it, but sometimes just doesn't throw it. Or you know, like, hey, this safety's here. So a single high. I got AJ Brown one on one. JC Horn, who's a good corner, but AJ Brown. I'm taking that shot. Like, I'm not holding it. I'm not scrambling. And then receivers start to get frustrated as well when they're running routes, they're getting open and you have the offensive line, you know, that can provide that protection for you. So, I mean, they got to figure it out. Keller Moore. I think they could have a little more pizzazz in the route tree as well.

[Pat McAfee]

A little more pizzazz go around.

[Darius Butler]

But, you know, they're winning. You know they're winning games and they have the best running back in football right now, so. Still got a chance, Sirion.

[Pat McAfee]

He'll figure it out.

[AJ Hawk]

Always does.

[Pat McAfee]

Siri. On it. You want to talk about pizzazz? The Duck.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, my God.

[Pat McAfee]

We need to talk about it all time possessed. This is the greatest mascot I've ever seen. Wow. Greatest mascot I've ever seen.

[Boston Connor]

Saw a video you guys, you guys had of him from the game. Yeah, that dude. He's not messing around.

[Pat McAfee]

It's not just not messing around. You know, having to do 83 push ups is what I saw live in person. Now, the crane thankfully was moved out of the way or we would not have seen any of this. No, no, this is. This is in a no view area. If the crane works, this is, I think after 35. Is this 35? I believe so. This is. So they have to obviously, or 38. They have to do all the pushups for the points. Every single time a point is scored, they have to catch up. So it was 38. Then it was 45. So this is 38 pushups. But before this, as the Duck walked in front of our suite, somebody might have been me, said, hey, doc, they're saying you're half fast in these push ups. Then immediately. Yep, the Duck eyeballing, strutting, wanting to fight. Okay, The Duck was not scared to fight. And you saw the delayed one at the end do the hand clap at the end. That duck and us probably a 25, 30 minute interaction.

[AJ Hawk]

Great time.

[Pat McAfee]

2 scores, 83 push ups. A quiver from Connor. Shot it, you know, as if. Yeah. And then the duck goes out and does his next set of pushups. Okay, here we go. Gets up, grabs the quiver, Shoots as well. Yep. Puts it back in and then walks away. What? What? The duck at one point, where he was standing, let's say he was standing over there in that area. Okay. It's like 30 yards away. There's a bunch of kick. Yep, yep. Boom. Yep. Looking at us. So we were just watching the game and we had, I think, lost track of what was going on. And then just kind of look back over. The duck is just staring at it from 40 yards away. Just like staring at us like this, like flex stance. Just staring at us. And I see the duck and I just like laugh and I hit Connor. Look at this thing. And this duck looks over and what Just starts doing like A what from 40 yards away? I laughed my ass off at that. The duck called Connor fat at one point. Called Connor fat. Because Connor said you were.

[AJ Hawk]

Because I was shooting in the head.

[Pat McAfee]

This is push ups. You can't do it. You can't do it. You can't do it. You can't do it. You can't. Neither can you. You can't. I can't. You can't. Hey, you. You can't. So that's Bruce Brown. Hey, Sarah Lloyd, can you tell us.

[AJ Hawk]

Basically, can you tell this train to.

[Pat McAfee]

Get out of the way? That'd be really cool. At one point, Bruce told the camera operator of the crane that we would tell the union that he was working if he just put this thing down and left. Yeah. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

That was awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

They're not using your shot. We'll tell the union you worked. You'll get paid full time. Just fucking get this thing out of here.

[Zito]

You're making us out a lot nicer than what he actually.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, Bruce is pretty boozed up.

[AJ Hawk]

He was chirpy.

[Ty Schmidt]

I think that was verbatim.

[Pat McAfee]

Honestly, I felt. It felt like exactly what you said wasn't how you said it. You wanted to crack the headphones.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

That guy, once again, just doing his job. Which we all said to Bruce, bruce, that guy's got no.

[AJ Hawk]

Can't do anything.

[Pat McAfee]

No say in this thing. I do appreciate the people at Lucas Oil Stadium that we know from being there a lot and obviously playing for the Colts, they go, hey, we've tried to ask, who's the person to and the person said, we paid a lot of money to broadcast this game. We're going to keep the train there. It's like, all right, well, okay. Okay. I guess that's final say in this entire thing. Feels like you can do it from right over there.

[AJ Hawk]

Third quarter went well.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it was. No shots were used, which is a bummer for the guy that Bruce was.

[AJ Hawk]

Yelling at because he was doing a great job.

[Pat McAfee]

He was on it. I mean, he was really.

[AJ Hawk]

There's a few that we.

[Pat McAfee]

Tippy toes. Tippy toes at one point, you know, so then not only is the crane in the way, but also his full body. Maximum couple times I thought he was.

[Ty Schmidt]

Going to get launched up into the air, like get, you know, lose control and go flying into the rafters.

[Pat McAfee]

The whole better door than a window conversation happened. Like, could have been said a thousand times. Hey, Craig, got some good shots, though. Good game.

[AJ Hawk]

Did a great job.

[Pat McAfee]

Oregon went that thing.

[Darius Butler]

It's great.

[Boston Connor]

It was a good game.

[Pat McAfee]

The Duck has much more pizzazz than the Eagles route tree.

[Zito]

Yep.

[Darius Butler]

Absolutely.

[Pat McAfee]

That Duck's greatest in the game. I'll say it.

[Darius Butler]

I don't believe you could shoot those.

[Zito]

Athlete skills.

[Pat McAfee]

He's got four fingers, skilled duck with fur, good arm.

[AJ Hawk]

Throw the football.

[Pat McAfee]

I did the Duck tell me to. Did you see that?

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, he did.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, he did throw it.

[Pat McAfee]

No. So it did. He did like. The Duck did like four these, you know, and I think he was doing that to set up hands in the middle and then.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Did one of those. And I'm like, did you just. The Duck just suck it on me right there? I think. But I was trying to hide it, you know, because didn't want to.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know if the socket is in the normal Duck move. Probably not, but hands up. What? What? You know, in that duck head. Just what? What? And then hands in the middle and then we'll see him again.

[Zito]

We will see him again.

[Pat McAfee]

You're damn right we will. And I'll tell you what, I'm impressed by that Duck also told the Duck social media team, digital team on game day. I talked about how great they are. Got a chance to see them. They have a talented situation over there.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, it's awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

They got money, too, there.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

How big was the team? You know, usually when we're on the field, that's the first thing where they.

[Pat McAfee]

Like Ferguson, the tight end. The guy that has the one sleeve and then he has a leg tat on one leg and then a sleeve on the other. He looks cool. Who Was the dude that jumped over the guy.

[AJ Hawk]

18.

[Pat McAfee]

18. He looked like a man. He looked like a grown ass. Who is it?

[Zito]

Burns or Birch, the DN or whatever. He's a big boy.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Jordan.

[Zito]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. He's a hell of a player. Big guy. Lanning's awesome.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Lanning walks like the joker coming out of that hospital on the sideline, like, when he's, like walking around. I don't know if it's like his normal gate or if he's trying. He. He's just pacing back and forth. I don't know what it is, but watching him, like, command the team was pretty sweet. He's a ball like that guy. Great coach. And the boys are always bought in. I'll be excited to see what their mantra was. This. Yeah, into this game because I didn't see any. I went. We. Did we see. I didn't really see any. I didn't see.

[AJ Hawk]

Didn't notice anything like the last few weeks.

[Pat McAfee]

They're the Big Ten champs, so congrats. Congrats. Go Dogs. Go Dogs. What's James Franklin's record against top five teams?

[Zito]

Top five?

[Boston Connor]

He was not happy.

[Zito]

It was like three and 18 or was one at one and 14.

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe I don't blame their band for the celebration, but it's kind of a JV setup here. The band is just marching behind James Franklin's press conference. I don't know if NFL stadiums are set up to handle. Handle marching bands and ins and outs, you know, the whole thing, but Lucasfilm Stadium was loud. Penn State fans were. Oregon fans are very loud as well. Yeah. So I'm not discrediting that. I'm just saying that place was loud. And they did the wristband light show thing. Yeah, they did the wristband lights.

[Boston Connor]

Everybody.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, pretty much. Wow. It looked like a majority, a good majority of the people had wristbands on because even when the Oregon Ducks were coming out, the Penn State people had green lights on their thing at one point. And then the Oregon section that we were sitting kind of amongst, there was blue lights coming off people's whenever Penn State came out. So they did a full light show in there. It was pretty sweet. It was a good game. We didn't get to see, obviously, everything, but you understand, it was a great game, great environment. Let's go, Dogs. Last overreaction here, shall we? Before we get out of here and make our picks. This from Joe Mar 84. Sweet profile photo. Hashtag. I don't want to ever react, but Detroit. You hear that? That's Sam Darnold and the Vikings breathing down your necks. KFC and Beefalo have made this team scarier than white chicks asking to speak to the manager. Skull. Skull. Skull. Good reference there with white chicks. Absolutely nailed the celebration. I am so pumped that you found that on the Internet. Matched up and synced up so perfectly. Even the little intricacies of the dance after the flip and everything. Absolutely nailed it. Also with the cleats deciding to go in here. Smart play. Absolutely smart play in there because I think you kind of get caught. That was phenomenal work by great defense gunman. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

One of the best celebrations I think I've ever seen on a football field. Especially after the pick and the defense was flying around at the end here too. Too.

[Pat McAfee]

Boom. Yeah, Right there.

[AJ Hawk]

It really was just perfection in a.

[Pat McAfee]

Celebration from beginning to end. Absolutely crushed. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

It was so fun.

[Pat McAfee]

Love that they watched film on this. For sure.

[AJ Hawk]

Practice.

[Pat McAfee]

Love that they had to practice this multiple times.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Love the front flip off of the hands through because every once in a while that's a slide through. Instead we're going front flip. Hadn't seen that since, I guess probably white chicks in there. That was a plus. Shit. From the Minnesota vikings out of 10.

[Darius Butler]

Absolutely. You love that they obviously walk through and prepare for this. So they expect to make these type of plays. Was this the same team that had the trap?

[AJ Hawk]

I think it was in London.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Because they played in London. They released a video after the game of them practicing their London parent trap celebration.

[Pat McAfee]

So I also like to your point about practicing and they're all in. Everybody else knew what was coming and they were excited. They were. They were gas. I mean, that's all. Because every once in a while you'll see a celebration where everybody doesn't know what the going on and they kind of ruin it. Normally no offense to the fatsos. Normally it's an offensive lineman that just comes running in. I just want to headbutt somebody. Can we stop dancing? I got to do a field goal where I'm going to get drilled right in my chin. Can I. All right. There's a whole dance going on that.

[AJ Hawk]

Just happened with Lane Johnson. The Eagles because one and A.J. brown did a celebration against the Rams.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, exactly. Sometimes D lineman too. Get in there. Like, what are we? All right. Nobody told me. All right, I'm out of here. You know that. That whole thing happens. But it felt like everybody on the Vikings defense knew exactly what was happening when it was happening. That's good work. That team's rolling skulling how they breathe.

[Zito]

But, you know, other than that.

[Pat McAfee]

What are you talking about? No, no, that was a shush.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, that was like.

[Pat McAfee]

That was a shush. Oh, that wasn't him breathing. That's what I mean.

[Zito]

That's how I read it.

[AJ Hawk]

So you're quiet.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, he was telling him to be quiet so he could hear it, I think. Okay, you were saying the sh. Was them breathing was the sound of the breath.

[Zito]

I was worried about how they breathe.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, okay. Wow. Maybe. Maybe they were saying that's how the Vikings breathe and that's what the Lions fans are hearing or something.

[Zito]

No, you're definitely right, but.

[Pat McAfee]

You hear that?

[AJ Hawk]

Got a cold, Sam?

[Pat McAfee]

Donald. A Vikings breathing down your.

[Zito]

I thought they were a little wheezy. I was.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, I get it. I get what you're saying. I think it was.

[Zito]

Yeah, you're right. You're 100% right.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Pipes the down.

[Ty Schmidt]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

Open your ears. Hear that whistle? That's your new ice maker that you spent thousands of dollars in your house. Now it's gonna keep you up all night thinking that there's a bird squawking in your kitchen, but the ice pellets are cool, so that's all that matters. Let's go to. Let's make our picks. Thank you to everybody sending tweets. Great work, Ty.

[Ty Schmidt]

Thank you, guys.

[Pat McAfee]

Those are awesome. And if you're taking a dump and you're on X, go ahead and scroll through those. You get a nice feeling for how fans feel. Obviously, everybody might be a little bit dramatic in these tweets, but that's because they're allowed to be. That's because they're told to be. Utilize it as a therapy session. So understand that people don't want to actually kill Kirk Cousins with a chicken wing, but they're certainly at the point where they're okay never seeing him again. That's kind of what you got to take from it now. Speaking of never seeing again again. I don't love every single time we pop up the against the spread picks graphic, and I'm hovering around 500. Okay. I don't love that at all. Age obviously doesn't love when he doesn't get them. All right. Because normally he does. Don't let this graphic fool you. Normally, AJ Gets them all right. All the time.

[AJ Hawk]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

I want six and six. You want four and eight. I can't.

[Boston Connor]

Four and eight. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, easy come, easy go. All these games.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

Easy come.

[Boston Connor]

I'm gonna win this one tonight. I'm gonna win this one tonight.

[Pat McAfee]

That's right, you are. Let's start with D Butch tonight. Bengals Cowboys on Simpson television on Manning cast television on Monday night Football television. We got Cooper Kush taking on Joey B. Bengals favored by four and a half in Jerry world. Feels like a night where Joe Burrow is going to show up in something sweet. Man, this fashion tonight walking into Jerry world is going to be fucking fantastic. Did you see those boots pants combo from that guy for the Rams? Awesome. That was fun with the glass, the face covering.

[AJ Hawk]

Great.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean, I don't know it's fashion or Halloween anymore, but I love all of it. Do whatever makes you feel good. Do whatever makes you think you look good. D Butch.

[Darius Butler]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Who do you like, man?

[Darius Butler]

Joey B. He's absolutely going to show up. He's been lights out this year. Jamar Chase as well. It's hard to go against them seeing these guys on this graphic. But I am going with Cooper Kush.

[Pat McAfee]

Wow.

[Darius Butler]

And the Cowboys to cover. And I love, I love this over right here with both of these defenses right now. Even though there are big time players on both sides, I think a lot of points have been put up, but I'm taking Cooper cushion the Cowboys to cover.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so Diggs, where is the public at right now?

[Zito]

The public is 51% on the Bengals.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so not that much. That's actually right where the sportsbook wants to be at that. About time. So let's assume this line is not moving at all before tonight. Aj, who do you like? How do you like it?

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, I mean, I think the Bengals offense continues to roll. I mean, I'm with D, but the over on 49 and a half feels pretty good. Give me the Bengals on the road here against the Cowboys.

[Pat McAfee]

I'll take the Bengals as well to get above 500. That's what I'm trying to do. 8. AJ's trying to enter week 15 with a big old dub. We're going to be watching on Simpsons and Manning cast and on the traditional broadcast. And we can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this for a living. We'll be back tomorrow with Aaron Rodgers. Should be absolutely bananas. Remember, see geek tickets to anything and everything. Get $30 off any purchase whenever you use the code PAT2024. That's PAT2024. Might have to be capitalized P A t. You get 30 off any ticket that works for all event types. NFL, NBA, NHL concerts, comedy, whatever they have tickets to, which is everything. 30 bucks off. There are some conditions that apply and that's if it's less than 30 bucks. Once again, here is the average resale ticket price since the matchups have been announced. Indiana, Notre Dame 1600. Pop for a resale ticket to get in there. The Hoosier state battle, obviously SMU up there at Happy Valley, 330, 33. Tennessee, Ohio State 499. And then Clemson, Texas 746. I think whenever you see the 100,000 stadiums, you know, the tickets are a little bit, a little cheap, a little bit cheaper, a little easier to get. Notre Dame 1600. This is a dream matchup for people in Indiana. There's a lot of like, families that have Notre Dame people and Hoosier people in it. There's a lot of like Indiana University basketball fans who pick up the Notre Dame team as their football team because Indiana University football team was so bad for so long. So it's like it. I'll cheer for the Indiana team. That's pretty good. That's Notre Dame. But now that I use football team is good. It's like now they're on iu. Oh, yeah. But they're still Notre Dame people. So it's like it's really a match made in heaven for this college football playoff for the people of this state in my eyes. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

It's the first time they've played, I think since 1991. So it's like this, this just never happened. Happens. It doesn't. And we're probably not with how good Indiana is. Like, we talk about like the strength of schedule stuff. Like there's a good chance these two don't play for a long time after this either.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. They need to get a. Because they're independent. Let's go and schedule them.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah. And hosted in Indy.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Do it at Lucas Oil at the Loud House. Yeah, let's, let's, let's make that a thing. Because Indiana Purdue always talked about and Barry Odom, great coach. But if Indiana is going to continue to do what they're doing, Notre Dame is always going to be Notre Dame.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

That becomes must watch. Must go to 1600 pop to get a ticket. Can you get that for 30 bucks off?

[Ty Schmidt]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

Get that for 30 bucks off.

[Zito]

My wife from South Bend went to IU and I can't tell you how many, like all of her friends from South Bend went to iu. Like, so this matchup is just huge, juicy.

[Pat McAfee]

It's going to be. That's how it kicks it all off too. We're going to be lucky enough to be up there, I think. Yeah, we're definitely going to this. I don't know what else is happening, man.

[Zito]

Nothing.

[Ty Schmidt]

This is the only. This is the Friday night game. So this is the only game that night.

[Pat McAfee]

Up to some seasons. Always happening. We'll figure it out. We're back tomorrow. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice. It might change your life. We're in a sing together. Never ever forget it. Okay. And to be a friend, tell a friend something nice Might change your life. That's real. Just walk up to somebody and say, hey, you know what? The weather's changing. May you not see the sun for a while. You're whatever. Looks great. Let's have a good one. Fist bump. Keep it moving even. Listen to this. Even if it doesn't look great, why? Yeah, move on. Really? Thank you for that. Might change the way everything goes. Exactly.

[Darius Butler]

Shoot.

[Pat McAfee]

Especially if it's something brand new. If it's something. That was an aggressive decision. They had to think about it. They decided, should I. Should I not? You know, like a new hair dye or something? That looks good.

[Zito]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Keep it moving. Unless you want to be the person that has the combo. Just make them feel good about the decision they made and go about your life. Because that little lift of a spirit, little lift of an energy might get them to their next day, might get them to their next meal. You have no idea what anybody's going through, so you might as well tell them something nice. It's much easier to find something negative. Let's find the good shit. Let's keep it moving. Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three, Team. Goodbye. Even the person who has everything still has to eat this holiday season. Hey, it's ESPN's Jen Latta. That's why I'm using Omaha State Steaks for all of my gift giving this year. Right now, you can save on unforgettable gifts with 50 off site wide at Omaha steaks.com plus you'll score an extra 30 off with the promo code TPMS. Nothing says comfort and joy like Omaha Steaks, the trusted name in premium quality and incredible taste. And they're gifting experts at Omaha Steaks. Well, they've already done the work for you guys. They have put together thoughtfully curated gift packages featuring some of their gourmet favorites. From legendary steaks to mouthwatering desserts and more. You can save 50% off site wide for a limited time at OmahaStakes.com plus, our listeners get an extra $30 off with the promo code TPMS. That's 50% off at Omaha Stakes.com and an extra $30 off with the Promo Code TPMS. Minimum purchase may apply. Omaha Stakes has you covered this holiday season from ESPN Podcast and Omaha Productions. Coach is a new, groundbreaking educational football podcast hosted by NFL legends Bill Belichick, Matt Patricia and Michael Lombardi. In each episode, the coaches break down game changing situations and front office management tactics, sharing insights from decades of coaching.

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