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PMS 2.0 1262 - OVERREACTION MONDAY, NFL Week 15 Recap, MNF Doubleheader Preview, Adam Schefter, UNC Head Football Coach Bill Belichick, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk
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PMS 2.0 1262 - OVERREACTION MONDAY, NFL Week 15 Recap, MNF Doubleheader Preview, Adam Schefter, UNC Head Football Coach Bill Belichick, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk
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Pat McAfee
Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome on this massive overreaction. Monday, December 16, 2024. This program starts now. Football. It's wonderful. Obviously, the college football playoffs start on Friday night, through the weekend, through the national championship, which I believe is on January 13th.
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Boston Connor
20Th.
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Pat McAfee
20Th. There we go, January 20th. So obviously that's fantastic. Week 15 of the NFL slate. Just two games remain before we're on to week 16 of an 18 week season. Everybody look out. We have an MVP candidate that has said, hey, I'm the best player in football. There's some teams that have said, hey, we're the best teams in football. And then there's a litany of people that are wondering what the hell their team is going to have to do to potentially get to the next step, get to the next level for next season to be a season that we can celebrate and say we're going to win a Super Bowl. Now, am I talking just strictly about the team that calls the city in which I live home? Potentially. But there's a lot of teams out. There's some teams in and there's a few that are built to win a Lombardi. We'll talk about all of it. The talks and tables here at Boston. Connor and at Ty Schmidt, con man. Not this year for the Patriots, but Ty Schmidt. The Green Bay packers in primetime last night put on a performance that made you think it may be we go on a run this year.
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Boston Connor
Yeah, absolutely. Just last week and you know, the week before that are kind of saying, hey, probably not the packers year. You look how good some of these other teams in the NFC are. But then after last night, I mean, when they play their A game, I'm, I'm back to thinking it might be the year. Why not? Why not? They're starting to kind of get healthy too. Not that they've been super banged up. Obviously. You got a team like Detroit who's losing everybody but Edric Cooper, their rookie linebacker, who just immediate impact last night. Unbelievable. Jair Alexander should be getting back here soon. And the offense still is kind of finding their footing, just, you know, continually getting big plays when they need to. I'd like to see them step on teams throats when they get to big leads like this and not just let teams linger and then, you know, you kind of have to clench your butt cheeks for the last quarter or so. But I am starting to think, yeah, this might be the year for the Packers.
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Pat McAfee
Okay, I love that Jordan love in his 13 starts after Week 10, which is the last two seasons. Here's that from Embo. 26 touchdowns, two interceptions. Pretty good. Okay. Whenever the games are most important, whenever you're tough as part of the schedule, Jordan Love has played his best football. He's only been sacked 15 times. During those time, the whole team seemingly comes together. 78.2 QBR, which is best in the NFL in that particular time frame. And he's getting Josh Jacobs in five games. Post the buy. Okay, had to buy. Figured it out. 112 scrimmage yards per game, 32 first downs, nine touchdowns. Josh Jacobs was acquired this past offseason. Obviously they let Aaron Jones go. Josh Jacobs from the Raiders led the NFL and yards, yada yada, yada. He comes over to the Packers. Why would you get rid of Aaron Jones and then you have Josh Jacobs feels like he's the perfect fit for this particular LaFleur offense. Both with the way they scheme the run. And he can catch the rock now. He's a weapon for Jordan Love out of the bag.
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Boston Connor
Yeah, without a doubt. For the first time in really I. I'd probably say my lifetime, the packers are a run first. It just like they. They pound the rock. They make no mistake about it. And they get Josh Jacobs going early. And you know, Aaron Jones very rarely had 20 games or 20 carries in a game like they almost never did that. Josh Jacobs is touching the ball 25 to 30 times every single week. And it's massive. It's what's carrying them.
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Pat McAfee
The packers offense ranks top five in creating big plays, avoiding negative ones and winning with motion. So obviously there's a little eye candy. LaFleur is in his bag. Congrats to the packers massive win over the Seattle Seahawks who are leading the NFC West. Hold on. The hell's going on with those rims? Hold on. What's going on with geno? Hold on. McDaniel and his first or McDonald in his first year. Thought we had a nice little run. We'll see how they handle the adversity. Especially after losing massively to the Green Bay Packers. Now one half of the hammer died. Cowboys AP tone in the battle of Pennsylvania, the Keystone State bowl. The Philadelphia Eagles beat the hell out of The Pittsburgh Steelers. T.J. watt potentially injured. Low ankle sprain, I do believe is what they are call. That looked bad because it was kind of a non contact situation. Lane Johnson even goes, oh, hold the phone. This is just kind of a standard rush for TJ Cleet must got stuck. Little bit of a slippage. Lane Johnson goes, hey, but are you okay? This is not good. Obviously mass respect between two of the all time greats in this whole thing. TJ is going to have to get healthy. George Pickens is going to have to get healthy. We got some stats from Hembo here about a George Pickens missing and what Russell Wilson has done without George Pickens. In the last two games without George Pickens, Wilson has averaged 31% fewer yards per attempt.
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Boston Connor
Wow.
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Pat McAfee
25% fewer yards per completion, 14% more passes at or behind the line of scrimmage. Obviously you're going to lose some stuff whenever your main weapon is off the field. For as a quarterback. If you remember first episode of Hard Knocks AFC North, Mike Hilton of the Cincinnati Bengals was basically leading a DB meeting and was like, Hey, 14 is the guy. 14 is the guy. 14 is THE guy. So Russell Wilson without 14 has certainly looked a lot worse. The offense has looked worse. Yesterday they looked abysmal against a Philadelphia Eagles defense that is very stock and very good. With that being said, you lose your playmaker, these types of things are going to happen. How are Steelers fans taking this loss to the Philadelphia Eagles?
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AJ Hawk
It was an ass beating from beginning to end. The first, the first quarter was terrible and then they didn't run a play in the fourth quarter. From 10 minutes on, the Eagles went on a 10 minute drive to end the game. The the Eagles D line had their way and the Eagles wide receivers had their way. Both Eagles wide receivers went over 100 yards. They dared him to throw the ball. They packed the box.
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Pat McAfee
So that and their friends. That's cool. I mean John, at least address what is happening right in front of your face right there. Jalen hurts. A.J. brown. These guys hate each other.
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Boston Connor
Or do they?
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Pat McAfee
Hey.
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Darius Butler
Oh well, well, well.
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Pat McAfee
Jalen want bananas. Yeah. And obviously A.J. brown was a beneficiary of that. Devonte Smith was a beneficiary of that. But the numbers that he put the sky not only completion percentage, but yards. Spreading the love in the city. A brotherly love. Jalen Hurts after being called out for not being a good passer.
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Boston Connor
Yeah.
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Pat McAfee
You know, by the entire world. And also AJ Brown who was maybe a little bit frustrated with how the offense was rolling. 27, 13, obviously against Steelers 12 and 2 Hertz 125, 32 with 290 passing yards, two pass touchdowns, 15 carries, 45 yards rushing. Jalen Hurts was back in his back now. Sorry for cutting you off. All good. That was one of the biggest storylines of the entire weekend was Jalen Hurts is hated by everybody. But he walked his ass in that post game pressure with the Kangal hat on backwards. Yeah.
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Ty Schmidt
Cool chain.
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Pat McAfee
Cool. Sick. Nice. Good hoop earring too. Good hoop earring too. Let that. That. I thought it was maybe a microphone there for a second. You know his, his. That literally looks like a, like a, an iced out microphone. This is what he had to say to lead off the presser after the game.
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Ty Schmidt
So that's what y'all want to see, huh?
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Pat McAfee
What a moment. This Eagles team is fantastic. Tone, your team got their asses beat by that guy and Nick Sirianni and you talked about the second half not getting the rock. The time of possession as pointed out by our show's contributor Mark Caboli. 39:52 Total 20 the other way. Second half 24:10 out of a 30 minute half, 24 minutes and 10 seconds for the Philadelphia Eagles, 5 minutes and 50 seconds for the offense. Odie Smith in the Pittsburgh Steelers offense has its worst game. It also has its least amount of plays I would assume by far. But that's what this Eagles team can do. This Eagles team can absolutely pound you. Saquon Barkley was at thought he's going to be okay. Comes back loose, flying around. Feels like they're only getting better and better. This Eagles team, best team in football right now. I think everybody kind of agrees with that sentiment. Offense, defense and special teams. What did you learn from that game yesterday? 9 year NFL vet debug.
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Darius Butler
You know what, I didn't learn much. You know, I knew this about the Eagles coming in and then obviously it was a lot of noise in the media last week, which it is with this team every week coming off a win. But obviously it was the passing game hurts A.J. brown, you knew he was going to find 11. You knew Devonte Smith couple weeks back in and now he was going to be found as well. Still has played a lot of man coverage. You know, like, like Tone said it spread out. It forced him to throw the ball almost, you know, like I said, forced him to throw the ball. He found the guys all day long. He obviously got yards on the ground as well. And after that, Najee Harris fumble on the toss.
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Pat McAfee
Yep.
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Darius Butler
Eagles went on 5 yard gain, 6 yard gain, 9 yard gain, 4 yard gain, 23 yard gain, 5 yard, 6114 yard in a couple tush pushes to put it in and then they touched the ball one time in the fourth quarter. So I think they had two possessions in the second half. That's why you almost never see that in the National Football League. So this is who you want to be going into this playoff push, what, 10? And, oh, now since Sirianni went with ball. So, yeah, Eagles are the most complete team in football.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah. And I wonder what the Philadelphia Eagles fans are saying on our overreactions. I cannot wait to read those and hear those. Because they were winning earlier in the year and everybody was calling Sirianni an idiot. Now they're winning in a fashion, especially this game against Steelers where you just keep the other team off the field. Your defense loves that defense just gets to sit on the sideline, get as, you know, healthy and fresh as possible. Get so fresh, actually, that you can just punch a guy right in the head. Yeah, whatever. You're punt, safe. Kind of get jacked up a little bit. Jalen Carter goes with a big time right to Cam Hayward's head, which then led to the drama for this week for the Philadelphia Eagles, which is boom.
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AJ Hawk
Oh, I thought that was after the punt.
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Pat McAfee
Bop. Two of them. Nah, before the bunt. You see the ball come through, punt safe. Standard punt safe operation. Put the D lineman in there. The only goal was, let's make sure the punt gets off and then we're fair catching this thing. There's no return. This is just kind of ceremonial play here. They're punting the ball to us. We're going to fair catch it. Our offense is going to get on the field, and with how this thing has been going, our offense is going to get off the field until they score again. But then on a sideline, you know. Nick Sirianni wants to have a little word. Defensive line coach Clint Hurt goes, now's our time. Now's our time. Now's our time. Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on. Sirianni goes, I need to tell him that he can't be doing that stupid shit right now. Coach Hart's like, hey, now's our time. Big Dom's over there, too. Like, hey, hey, Jalen. Hey, bud. Hey, pal. Hey, hey, paisan, take it easy. He can't be punching guys in the head. That's what he's saying. He's all fired up right now. He's all fired up right now. So obviously, this is more drama that people are going to talk about, but the conversation should be, this team is going on an absolute run right now. Everything that they've seemingly done has worked, and their fans are jacked up.
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AJ Hawk
They should be.
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Pat McAfee
Their fans, Their fans think this is the year. Their fans think this is the time that they're able to go on a run. And if you look at the Numbers, obviously, full domination by one side versus the other side. And this Pittsburgh Steelers team, good just a week ago, talking about, you know, what? Steelers actually have what it takes to maybe win a Super Bowl. Now, obviously it's an AFC team, not an NFC team, but if you look on the NFC side, everybody at the top can run, but you can't stop. Philadelphia Eagles defense dominant right now.
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AJ Hawk
Very good.
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Pat McAfee
Offense can run if they have to go on a run. And then special teams, I mean, Jake can't be missing any kicks, but Jake will be great going forward, as will their punter. It's like Eagles are the real deal. And fly. Eagles flying honor victory.
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Darius Butler
Thank God.
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Pat McAfee
What's that?
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Darius Butler
I mean, that they're good because a couple of my teams. But yeah, Eagles held it down to your point. Obviously, the offensive guys we see.
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Pat McAfee
I think some people might not understand what you're saying. Darius J. Butler adopted the Philadelphia Eagles as one of his teams once they got Jalen hurts. Exactly. So he said, that's one of my teams. Yeah, when they got good and then they got. Then, yeah, when they were good, they were okay.
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Ty Schmidt
And then the whole thing blew up.
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Darius Butler
Yep. Got Carl out of there, got hurts.
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Pat McAfee
In, and then, you know, speaking of Carl, he's back. Ladies and gentlemen, it is Carson Wentz season for the Kansas City Chiefs, we assume now Patrick Mahomes has a high ankle sprain, I believe is what is being reported because of a run in the pocket late that got up and a bunch of mush against the Cleveland Browns. They do cover, by the way, shout out to the Chiefs for doing that. He gets kind of a sandwich shot. Low one way, upper body the other way. Then somebody actually comes in and pushes him back right there with their legs. Think that kind of saved it, you know, because I think he was going to get full on pretzeled, but then 54 comes in and pushes him back a little bit. I think there's a chance he even rips that even more. So nasty shot happens in football. Awkward fall. Patrick Mahomes, obviously phenomenally tough, has been throughout his entire career. He's a guy that we've seen on camera while being miked up after definitely having a sprained ankle. And they're saying we have to get an X ray on that. We have to get an MRI on that. Runs on it to get it done so he can run back. In playing a football game, I mean, he is everything that you would want in a starting quarterback. Doesn't want to miss a thing, doesn't want to appear to be Weak, never tired. I'll do whatever for the team. But I think they got three games in 11 days. I think they're one of the teams that has to do it. I think there's a chance that we, Patrick Mahomes go miss some games. And I think there's a chance Carson Wentz is going to get in there. And I think there's a chance then that although this season has been phenomenal, both college and the NFL, Carson Wentz football was the most electrifying football that you could possibly have by far. Obviously they're on a run to a number one seed. Carson Wentz doesn't know that. Obviously they have a chance to do something that no NFL team has ever done before and that's win three straight. Lombardi's Carson Wentz cannot comprehend that Carson Wentz is going to play Carson Wentz football. That's right. And what that means is when he's playing great, this Chiefs team might be.
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Boston Connor
It might be better than they have been ever. Yeah.
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Pat McAfee
But then there's going to come a moment where, and I know Josh Allen, who we'll talk about in a matter of moments, who was electrifying is shot putting passes. And it's getting called back. And I know Drake Mays doing things. Carson Wentz will do all that with his offhand. Yeah, Carson Wentz in the middle of that play right there, as he's getting bent back, he'll wonder if his knees down and he'll actually put that ball in his left hand to reach around this way and throw a dart to somebody. That is Carson Wentz football. No play is ever dead. Every play could be a touchdown. Every play can win a game. That's Carson Wentz football. And when it's going good, it is the greatest. But every once in a while there's going to be a play or two where you go, God, Carl. Whoa, whoa. We can't. What do we. You literally in your own end zone. And a divisional championship game.
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Boston Connor
Yeah.
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Pat McAfee
In the fourth quarter. Can't. Can't just actually pitch a ball for the shortest pick six in the history of the NFL because they call it in your own end zone. And then on the next play, literally you get the ball back because they just scored touchdowns or kicking off. Next play. Scramble. Divisional championship game. Scramble. Go down, put the ball on the ground with all your weight. Thank you. Ball. Stand back up and then see triple team player. And let's go ahead and throw that. And then a big time play is made by the wide receiver and it's like, that's Carson Wentz football in a nutshell. Now, will Andy Reid let that happen?
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Darius Butler
No.
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Boston Connor
He should.
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Pat McAfee
Are they just. He. Andy Reid can only coach him until he gets on the field. Exactly. Patriots fans understand what they're saying.
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Ty Schmidt
Yeah, a thousand percent. It's basically Will Levis on steroids. We said it when Will Levis was starting out this season.
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Pat McAfee
Wow.
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AJ Hawk
Mahomes and Will Levis combined.
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Pat McAfee
I don't want to say no talent, but Will have a swift talent. Yeah.
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Ty Schmidt
With a Super bowl experience. With an MVP season under his belt.
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Boston Connor
Right.
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Pat McAfee
With an MVP possibility. Yeah. Because I love Bill dude who does.
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Ty Schmidt
He's so fun.
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AJ Hawk
Rest in peace, our friend.
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Pat McAfee
Never gonna see him play football again, though. Maybe the ufl. He'd be great in the ufo.
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Ty Schmidt
Cfl.
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Pat McAfee
Cfl, even better.
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Ty Schmidt
Argos.
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Pat McAfee
Probably a Hall of Famer going into this year, though. Everybody's saying Will was a guy.
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Ty Schmidt
Oh, yeah.
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Darius Butler
This might be the year.
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Ty Schmidt
Look out.
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Pat McAfee
That's what a lot of people were saying.
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Ty Schmidt
Spent a ton of money to build that offense.
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Pat McAfee
But you're right. The founding father of that style of football is Carson Wentz. Yes. Will Levis was trying his absolute best to do it. And Will, good luck. He's still young. Still young. Learn a lot, can learn a lot. I don't think it's going to be happening in Tennessee going forward, but you can still learn a lot and go. This Chiefs team still has capability to get the number one seed. Their quarterback gets hurt. Carson Wentz goes in. Andy Reid's gonna have to control that. Let's say he does. The other team in the AFC that is really hot right now has a quarterback who's unconscious.
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Ty Schmidt
It's absurd.
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Pat McAfee
What did the stats say this morning on screen?
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Ty Schmidt
Like 869 yards, 10 touchdowns, no turnovers.
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Pat McAfee
In the last two weeks. That's just two weeks of football. That's just two weeks for this guy. Josh Allen is by far the greatest football player on earth right now. No questions asked. Everything he's doing is awesome, and he's not turning the ball over. This was always the potential Josh Allen that we thought could be. He can throw the ball forever. Has an absolute hose of an arm, right? I don't know.
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Boston Connor
We don't know.
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Pat McAfee
Don't know. Although signs would say potential. Yeah, sure. Signs would say potential, no doubt. But nonetheless can spin it and then he can run. And his team understand. Dion Dawkins didn't even have to block anybody there. Just pulled, let the guy run away. And they just hammered a Detroit Lions team. That is obviously riddled with injuries, but very, very good. Now, the Buffalo Bills defense, we're gonna have to ask some questions because the Rams did what they wanted to do and then now the Detroit Lions were able to do whatever they wanted to do. But with Josh Allen on a football field, this Buffalo Bills team is going to. They got who they got left in on their schedule.
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Ty Schmidt
Now they got the gritty New England Patriots. Two more times. They still haven't played yet, so that should go well.
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Pat McAfee
Okay. Gritty crappie, you could say at this particular point. Quarterback very good, future very bright. Although one of the owners says these play calls are absolute crap. I don't know what the hell is going on. I'm not a professional lip reader, but that seems to be the case. But this Buffalo Bills team can very much get the number one overall seed home field advantage. Now, obviously, they're built to win in those conditions this year, more so than ever before. It's like this Buffalo Bills team when they're on tv, must watch Josh Allen on TV right now. Must watch. Not just because the explosive plays and things like this. That's like a 45 yard rope throw across his body, back across the field. You're not supposed to do that. But Josh Allen is seeing the field so damn great. It's like this guy is igniting not only the Buffalo Bills, but like football. Yeah, this guy. This is what we want. And if he gets a chance to perform in the super bowl, okay, we talk about Lamar Jackson make it to a Super bowl, which the Giants had to feel that one. Giants had to feel that one yesterday.
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Darius Butler
Unbelievable year too.
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Pat McAfee
Lamar Jackson phenomenal right now. And he's back to. And we have talked about how if he makes to a Super bowl, shout out to the world. Getting a chance to watch Lamar Jackson for the first time because a lot of people in a lot of countries only watch the Super Bowl. So we always talked about, imagine Lamar Jackson showing up there in these countries that don't see anything. They see, whoa, whoa, whoa, what the hell is going on here? That guy's faster than everybody spins. Imagine Josh Allen getting dropped into there and these people from the other side of the earth that are soccer fans or rugby fans and they see this guy, six foot five, whatever he is thick, faster than everybody, spinning it all over the place, talking shit while doing it and his entire team being bought in. That is very possible. This year with this Bills team, he's definitely going to win the MVP. 1/2 the hammer done Cowboys. AP tone, AP voter is that how the odds are stacked up that he's definitely.
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AJ Hawk
He's a heavy favorite right now.
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Pat McAfee
Okay, so he's definitely going to win the mvp. Not enough weeks left to really ruin it. No, he would have to come out and have like a four turnover game back to back weeks at this point to not win the mvp, which we don't think he will because that's not how he's been playing this year at all. But like watching him, watching his. They got to get a stop though.
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Darius Butler
They got to get.
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Pat McAfee
They got to get. Their defense needs to get a stop at some point, you know, because Josh has had to play like this the last two weeks for them to win games. At some point their defense is going to have to tighten up. What are you seeing from them and do you think it's possible.
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Darius Butler
Got to figure it out on defense. They are banged up on the back end for sure. With down was down a couple safeties and we know they played two really good quarterbacks. Two good offense as well. Matt Stafford, Jared Goff, obviously those guys can sling it around the yard. But yeah, you got to make stops in the playoffs especially. You obviously got to have a run game as well. Josh Allen is a big part of that run game. They have a good offensive line. AQ's been kind of talking about him all year long. James Cook kind of got going as well. Johnson. But yeah, one man show. You talked about Josh Allen this year and for the last what, three, four years especially Dan O has been talking about his ridiculous numbers and how many touchdowns he's scored compared to the rest of the league. He's got to win it though. He's got to win the big one against Patrick Mahomes and on the biggest stage. Will it be at home? Will it be in Kansas City? You got to figure it out defensively though, if you are the Buffalo Bill. That's the only question when you're looking at this team.
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Pat McAfee
I love the top of the AFC battling against the top of the NFC in this particular game. We have some breaking news out of this game. David Montgomery, I believe it is being reported out for the rest of the season. Is that what's being said?
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AJ Hawk
There's a fear.
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Pat McAfee
Potentially there's a fear. Schefter tweeted that people in the organization are concerned that he's out indefinitely. Okay. She that is a. Ladies and gentlemen joining us now, senior insider for espn, Adam Schefter. Shefty. Okay. That would be a massive gut punch for the Detroit Lions, obviously. Sonic and knuckles in the backfield. Jameer Gibbs, David Montgomery, massive tandem, great tag team behind Jared Goff in that offense that has been so phenomenal all year, even though their defense has been so banged up. What do we know about this and is there more to the story here? Shefty? Yeah.
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Adam Schefter
Well, essentially he went out of the game briefly with the knee injury, and then after the game he came out and obviously they found that he's got a sprained mcl and they think he's going to be done for the season. Now, I'm not proclaiming him to be out for the year just yet because he is getting further testing. He is getting in a second opinion and we don't know what that's going to uncover. But I would say that there's a sense and belief amongst multiple people right now that David Montgomery will not play again this season. And at the very least, he's going to be out indefinitely. If not for the rest of the season, Knuckles will be sidelined.
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Pat McAfee
That's.
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Adam Schefter
I mean, I don't know how many blows one team can withstand, and I don't remember the last time that we've seen one team this decimated with injuries. They have essentially gone through an entire defense. Aleem McNeil, yes. Tore his ACL yesterday. Carlton Davis broke his jaw yesterday. They're already without Aidan Hutchinson, Marcus Davenport, Malcolm Rodriguez, Derek Barley. We go on and on here. It's hard to line up a team when you lose that many players and are signing players of practice squads and off the street. And it's, it's really, it's disappointing because this team was positioned to have the most memorable year in franchise history, and maybe they still can. That's up to them to try to forge ahead, but it's not going to be without their challenges right now and all the injuries that they've suffered, especially this past week, this past weekend alone. McNeil.
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Pat McAfee
Got it. Carlton Davis. Yes. And now David Montgomery. So we've been talking about this for a few weeks now. This has kind of been like every single week. They've lost big names on that defensive side, but they've continued to win games somehow. And the question was, when will they be able to kind of. When will it all kind of come to a head? Feels like now is the time. But they also took on Josh Allen, who is in the middle of a historic run. What he has done over the last few weeks, let alone the entire season, is very, very notable. Their defense hasn't been able to get a stop either. I mean, you know, the last two weeks their defense hasn't been able to stop anybody. I'm excited to see how this whole thing Detroit, I do fear probably, you know. Yeah. Listen, Pat, as a Detroit Lions fan my entire life, you've been through a lot of pain, probably more pain than any other franchise in any other sport in the history of sports. And this one's just completely different. We finally had the team, we're finally here. We're finally going to win the Super Bowl. And it's just every single player is eliminated. And on defense, that's fine because our offense can score 40 points a game. And I thought we could still win a Super bowl by doing that. But you lose Montgomery, it's going to be very, very tough. Yeah. So let's talk about the team in the NFC that does seemingly have all three phases working together. The Philadelphia Eagles. Jalen Hurts, A.J. brown, DeVonta Smith, one big happy family. Everything's good over there in Philadelphia. What's the drama this week coming out of Philly Shefty?
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Adam Schefter
Well, I think if you saw the sideline video yesterday, Nick Sirianni and Jalen Carter kind of exchanging some words there on the sideline, that's begun to get some traction. Here's the replay of that particular incident where Nick Sirianni goes over there. And I can tell you what happened was Jalen Carter got hit twice in the head by a couple of different Steelers, was frustrated, went out on the special teams. I think his punter slaps the guy in the head. Nick Sirianni goes over and says something, and it leads to the exchange that cameras captured there on the sideline. Obviously, Jalen Carter did the wrong thing after he felt like he was hit twice during the game and then hit somebody else, took it out on somebody else. And then him and Nick Sirianni exchanged some words. Nick gets emotional, as we've seen throughout the course of the year. What's amazing is, again, the fact of the matter is they've won 10 straight games. There's never been a Philadelphia Eagles team in the history of the franchise that's ever won 10 games. And so we can get all the barking on the sidelines, we can get the quarterback in, the wide receiver disagreeing, and then go out of their way to celebrate touchdowns in the end zone together, which was so pretty. You knew that was going to happen yesterday. That was the easiest call ever, where Jalen Hurts is going to find A.J. brown in the end zone, deliver the pass, does that. And it's a situation where they go and celebrate to show everybody that they are on the same page, that they're simpatico that they're Good and again, 10th straight win that. That's the most important part. And right now they are playing the best football of any team in the nfc. You can make an argument for the Green Bay Packers. We'll see what the Vikings have tonight. But the Eagles right now look like the best team in the nfc.
- [26:14]
Pat McAfee
Not just the nfc, potentially the entire NFL. They took on a team that was high in the standings of the afc and the Pittsburgh Steelers. Let's talk about some of their situations brewing. TJ Watt gets hurt middle of game didn't look that bad, but he ended up leaving and limping, obviously. I think it low ankle sprain is what was being reported. Is that what you're hearing as well? For TJ Watt, that is a massive piece of the Pittsburgh Steelers defense as they try to continue to hunt this playoff season.
- [26:41]
Adam Schefter
Well, that's what he said after the game. Now, again, you know the danger this is usually, that's almost always right. And then there are the cases like David Montgomery where all of a sudden you find out that the damage is worse than you thought and the guy is going to be out longer than you thought. He went down there, he was in pain. He was obviously grabbing that left ankle. He said it was an ankle sprain. But there's obviously going to be further testing to see how long he could be out and hopefully it is nothing more than the ankle sprain, the low ankle sprain that he thought it would be after the game. But let's see what comes back today on the test.
- [27:16]
Pat McAfee
Okay, so let's stick with the Pittsburgh Steelers. George Pickens. We got some stats from Himbo of what that offense has looked like with George Pickens and without George Pickens. And obviously the last two games without Pickens, their explosive plays have gone down, which has become a very important stat in all of football. Explosive plays is becoming like almost field position. Now, how many explosive plays do you have? Will normally indicate how many wins you have in the season and in the game. George Pickens being out has hurt the Pittsburgh Steelers. What is the update on him? Because they have three games, 11 days, as well as the next team we're going to ask about which is the reigning super bowl champs.
- [27:53]
Adam Schefter
Yeah, I figured you'd ask about them at some point in time, but the way I understood, I don't know. Somebody texted me earlier that George Pickens could have a grade two hamstring injury. And I don't know if that's right or not. Somebody texted that. I never confirmed that it was true enough. But if it is grade two, that's like a month injury usually. And so with these short games and with him not practicing this past week, I think it's fair to say at the very least that his status is in question for these upcoming games, and hopefully he can recover and make it back. But at the very least, there is a question about whether or not he'll be able to go, if it's great, too.
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Pat McAfee
That's.
- [28:35]
Adam Schefter
That's got to be at least a month.
- [28:36]
Pat McAfee
Okay, so that happened in practice, too, on. Right. A Thursday. It happened in practice.
- [28:41]
Adam Schefter
That's correct.
- [28:42]
Pat McAfee
Yep.
- [28:43]
Adam Schefter
Initially, he woke up Friday, hamstring, didn't feel well. They thought he went through the walkthrough practice that Saturday. They thought he was able to play. He went to the stadium that morning. They met and decided to shut him down.
- [28:55]
Pat McAfee
Okay, so I don't want to find a silver lining in the playbook here. Shout out to the Philadelphia Eagles legend, Bradley Cooper. But if he's pulling his hamstring on a Thursday practice, that means he's going so hard. Pickens is working his ass off in these practices almost too hard. Okay. So whenever he gets back, obviously Russell Wilson will be excited about that. Let's talk about the team that you said. I'm sure you're going to ask about. There's a quarterback who is seeking to do something no NFL team has ever done before, which is win three straight. Lombardi, scary situation over there. Tone has a question for you.
- [29:28]
AJ Hawk
Yes, Anthony, we're talking about.
- [29:29]
Pat McAfee
Hold on. Before.
- [29:29]
Adam Schefter
Tone, some good news here. Mike Tomlin just said that he's optimistic about T.J. watts availability and that he said he's walking around. Okay. And that there's a chance that one will be able to play against the Ravens.
- [29:41]
Pat McAfee
So there you go. Okay. Good for football. Good for football. Having tea, Jack.
- [29:46]
AJ Hawk
That's huge because Saturday is. The game is for the AFC north championship. Patrick Mahomes, they have the Steelers coming up on Christmas Day. Before that, I believe they have the Texans. So two big games coming up, you know, while they're trying. Still trying to get that number one seed. We saw the injury to Mahomes yesterday. We saw Wentz come in. I believe it's being reported as a high ankle sprain. Do we have any idea the severity of it yet and what the Chiefs potentially plan on doing with these two games that are in a very short time?
- [30:13]
Adam Schefter
Well, again, it's a similar situation again, where that. That's what they thought after the game, that it was a High ankle. They were coming back to Kansas City. He was undergoing additional testing today. And let's just assume that it does show your garden variety high ankle sprain, which isn't exactly garden variety anyway. But if it is indeed that, I mean, he's played through that injury before. He's been out there. That guy is exceedingly tough and finds a way to get on the football field. The problem that they have now is they got Saturday, then Christmas, Wednesday. The schedule is not working to his favor, but he's got a history of playing with this injury. We'll see if he can make it through it this time again. And I just think he's so tough. He usually finds a way to get through these things, but we'll see what the testing this afternoon shows and if he can make it back on Saturday or not.
- [31:07]
Pat McAfee
You literally never know the severity of a Patrick Mahomes injury because he'll just stand out there on the sideline when other guys with that injury would have to go into the back. They come out completely change, have a hoodie on and everything like that. I think Patrick Mahomes legitimately would have to get dragged off a field field if anything was to happen. So it's tough to kind of gauge where he's at. All we need Patrick Holmes now is Godspeed. But. And we appreciate how you represent our league, pal. You're a tough guy.
- [31:32]
AJ Hawk
Remember when we were analyzing him walking down the steps of the podium last year or whatever?
- [31:36]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [31:36]
AJ Hawk
This is like every year for him.
- [31:38]
Pat McAfee
It. It's becoming the end of the season. Tough football, tough guy, tough situations. Tough decisions have to be made by Andy Reed on the good of this week and then the good of the future. Potential Carson Wentz football out there, which is exciting. Now, is there other players for the Chiefs that are returning? Deebot has a question.
- [31:55]
Darius Butler
Yeah, that was talking about explosive plays. Obviously the Chiefs offense kind of been missing that. Hollywood Brown saw some news with him being back at practice, maybe trending to come back. Any truth to that?
- [32:06]
Adam Schefter
They've always thought that they'd be able to get him back at the end of the season. And so we're getting close to the end of the season. We'll see if he can make it back here in the regular season or not. But I think that they've always felt like when the playoffs rolled around that Hollywood Brown would be back out there giving them another target to give to Patrick Mahomes. And so obviously you go out and you add DeAndre Hopkins and you get back Hollywood Brown and they've been through so much of that position, but I think the sense all along has been that he would be there for the playoffs. And now we'll see if there's a chance that he can make it back here any sooner in the regular season. Maybe give him a Christmas Day present. That would be a nice thing to do, right?
- [32:41]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, maybe. Especially if Carson's playing.
- [32:44]
Boston Connor
The biggest Christmas gift of all.
- [32:46]
Pat McAfee
Oh, my God. Carson Claus coming down the chimney with Hollywood Brown.
- [32:50]
Boston Connor
Yeah.
- [32:51]
Pat McAfee
Oh, my God.
- [32:53]
Adam Schefter
You don't think Mahomes is going to make it back by Christmas Day, huh?
- [32:56]
Pat McAfee
No, I think. I think Patrick. I mean, Christmas Day is only one day.
- [33:00]
AJ Hawk
Offs are more important. He should not.
- [33:01]
Pat McAfee
No. And. And listen, I know the number one overall seed and everything, and Patrick problem's incredibly tough. And it's Christmas on Netflix. I assume Patrick Hunt is going to show up for that, but if he doesn't and it's Carson Wentz football, good for the NFL. Pumped that the worldwide Netflix audience get a chance to watch an electrifying football player. Yes. I got a chance to experience Carson Wentz ride for one year here in Indianapolis. It's something. You got any news that's coming through the line right now?
- [33:26]
Adam Schefter
Yep. The Browns are unsettled on who their starting quarterback will be this week.
- [33:31]
Ty Schmidt
Oh, no, no.
- [33:32]
Pat McAfee
Wow.
- [33:34]
Boston Connor
So no picture.
- [33:37]
Adam Schefter
Yeah, it could be. Well, we'll see. It could be James Winston, could be during Thompson Robinson. But anytime a coach is talking like that, the way Kevin Stefanski now is about their upcoming matchup against Cincinnati Bengals, usually coaches don't say that.
- [33:52]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [33:52]
Adam Schefter
Yeah, but that's. That's unbelievable that I could press send on that tweet literally three seconds ago, and it can be on your screen in an instant. That is amazing to me.
- [34:02]
Pat McAfee
Wow.
- [34:03]
Adam Schefter
Okay, so there we go.
- [34:04]
Pat McAfee
Technology's fantastic. And if one of your feeds into your board is Zito's computer, anything that's on Zito's computer screen can be up there. Now, Zito's got to keep that screen clean. Let's delete these cookies. Let's delete these cookies out there. Cookies deleted. But if it's on the Internet and we can get access to it, we can get that thing up. And Zito's got quick fingers.
- [34:27]
Adam Schefter
He sure does. He sure does.
- [34:29]
Pat McAfee
Okay, let's stay with the Browns, I guess. Mozgarrett. Okay, I know. Tuney moves from guard to tackle. And as Miles Garrett shout out to Tuney, who's an absolute dog, by the way, and Andy Reid going like, anybody want to protect Our quarterback Tooney's like, never done it. Don't have the feet for it, don't have the body for it. But that's crazy shit. I'll go out there and do it. And then does and has Miles Garrett. And then inevitably something happens to Miles Garrett's eyes. I don't know if it was hand, if it was helmet, if it was a combination of both. Is he going to be okay because he got back out with a visor on. Is he going to be all right?
- [35:05]
Adam Schefter
We came back out there. I have not heard the extent of the injury, but usually, obviously when the guy comes back in the game, you think that he's okay. I'm sure he's playing through something there. I don't know what happened exactly, but you can see the respect that he, has, rightfully so from all these other players that come over and checking on him as soon as he gets hurt. The Chiefs I'm talking about, they were concerned about the guy. He's that good, he's that well respected. Got something. But the fact that he finished the game tells me he'll be back out there playing through whatever it is that he suffered yesterday.
- [35:33]
Pat McAfee
Tooney's a dog weapon. What a beast.
- [35:36]
Darius Butler
What you can do.
- [35:37]
Pat McAfee
When AQ comes in here on Wednesday, he'll try to explain like what he did and how different of a world it is out there at tackle, verse, guard or center and every in body type and build and traits, everything that you need to be a tackle, which is why they hold tackles in such high regards. So for Tunis just to drop over there against Myles Garrett, what a dog. Once again, that's why the Chiefs is still the Chiefs. That is the type of thing that makes the Chiefs still the Chiefs. Now let's talk about an NFC team that we thought was potentially going to win the NFC West. Now, massive question marks over there in Seattle. Go ahead, Ty.
- [36:09]
Boston Connor
Yeah, Sheffield. Did we have any update on Geno Smith last night? It didn't look too bad, but he obviously couldn't come back in with the Knee. And Mike McDonald did say after the game, again, we don't know, but it seemed like they avoided catastrophe. But based on what we saw out of Sam Howell and with them kind of still in that playoff position, obviously they dropped out losing last night, but is there any chance that Geno is going to be back for next week against the Vikings then obviously what might be a winner take all game week 18 against the Rams.
- [36:37]
Adam Schefter
Yeah, 9:36 on the west coast right now. So obviously going to go through Tests today to determine the damage on that knee. He didn't come back in the game last night. Didn't look like he was going to come back in the game. They said after the game that everything was structurally sound, which was encouraging for the future. But they did not know whether he would be able to play this week against the Minnesota Vikings who are coming off the short week tonight after their game against the Bears. So again, another one of these that I think at best his status is uncertain for the upcoming week. Status is in question. He can't start. Sam Howell would start but like he went limping off the field didn't look right to me. Fortunately it was nothing structural for the time being, pending further testing.
- [37:21]
Pat McAfee
Godspeed. Geno Rams, Seahawks Last week of the year. That feels like NFC west championship game and we can't wait for it over there. Now before, before we ask about tonight, let's one last thing from tomorrow or from yesterday. Controversy. Connor has a question for you.
- [37:37]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, Shefty. Almost a huge screw up at the end of the Saints commanders game yesterday. Spencer Rattler leads the Saints down. They get the ball inside the five yard line with less than 15 seconds to go. But for some reason the referee decided to continue to run the clock. He comes in from the bottom of the screen here and he blows the play dead. Has the NFL said anything there he is kind of spotting the ball, clock stops and it seems as though the clock would have run out if he didn't have that call on the field. And the clock stopped at you know, nine seconds for two or three, maybe even four seconds there. Has the NFL said anything about this? Because this was almost one of the biggest screw ups that we've seen in a while because the Commanders, I mean that was a huge win for them. But after they score the touchdown on this play they narrowly miss the two point conversion. So has the NFL said anything about this kind of snafu at the end of the game?
- [38:31]
Adam Schefter
I have not heard from the league about that. If the league is watching and wants to text me something that I could read to you guys a statement about that particular ending, I'm open to that right now, but I've not heard anything particular about the way that that game ended right now.
- [38:45]
Pat McAfee
That's a interesting because they're kind of. And we saw Hockey Lee with the pool reporter afterwards say yeah, side judge blew it dead. It's not reviewable. Do you have anything else to say that's it's not reviewable? I don't know what to tell you and Then obviously, many on the Internet, including Warren Sharp, said, this is unacceptable. And it's like. I think what Hockey Lee was saying is, yes, blowing the plate dead is unacceptable, and there should be some sort of conversation here, but there's nothing we can do about it after that happens. And that side judge I was watching, it was on one of the four boxes. It was on one of the four boxes on tv. So I didn't fully understand, like, oh, good. Time out. Smart stuff, Riz. I was like, rizzy, what a genius. Keeping a timeout all the way for this exact moment. And then all of a sudden, I. I'm watching the full scramble panic, and I'm like. And then the clock start rolling again. And I'm like, wait a minute. And then did the side judge think it was. Call it? I don't.
- [39:34]
Darius Butler
I'm saying, what would make him.
- [39:35]
Pat McAfee
I have no idea.
- [39:36]
Darius Butler
It's crazy.
- [39:37]
Pat McAfee
I have no idea what happens there. But I think the spread ended up being eight, so seven and a half. Seven and a half. So the spread was seven or the game there. 2013 at seven. Could you imagine if that.
- [39:48]
Boston Connor
Oh, man.
- [39:49]
Pat McAfee
They didn't. It didn't.
- [39:51]
AJ Hawk
I mean, we're happy there were sevens at some point during the week, but, you know, most of the week was seven and a half.
- [39:56]
Pat McAfee
But if that. If that swings a cover the other way. Oh, buddy. Especially if it was a public loss. Yeah. Afterwards. As opposed to, you know, like, if a public wins after this, that actually kind of be like a good play for the NFL to maybe script into their scripts so people say or stop saying that it's scripted. But if this was to swing from one way to another, boy, it would be much louder than it is right now, because I think a lot of people just consider this. Who gives a crap? Game commanders get a win. Let's move along. It was like they were very close to not. And then also, there was a massive flub at the end of that thing from our officials who have been good this year. I think there's only been a few that have been absolutely terrible. That could have been catastrophic. Shifter.
- [40:36]
Adam Schefter
You know, there have been many instances in the past, and I've heard people complain about it, that. And again, this was not one, but it's an example of it, where a game is decided by a call, a controversial call that influences the ending. And then the result of that game is obviously factored into whether coaches are kept front offices or gaps. Players calls like that impact jobs and people's security and their lives. And we've Seen calls made that have gone the other way that have hurt people. People lose jobs. And it just shows you how much is riding on these games and how important the officials jobs are.
- [41:14]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. And we like to say the refs great season, that's had a great season. Let's finish strong. And a lot of people are mad at Hockey Lee for his answer. I think Hockey Lee was pissed at his guy for even making that. Yeah. Like I think that is probably. Yeah. Hockey is not happy about that. Hey, you just embarrassed. Not only me, the game in the NFL. So whenever people are like need more of an answer out of him. I think Hockey league was just giving like the reality like what he wants to do. Put a stopwatch on right. How long it was stopped for and then do some math and redo it. Maybe that is the right play. But they had three seconds when they stopped it. Would that have had one second? Was that a two second stoppage or was it three and a hook? Because if it was three and a hook, that game's over. And once again, the fact that it didn't affect the gambling is the most important part.
- [42:00]
Ty Schmidt
So massive.
- [42:01]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Because money line still remains the same. Yep. Because watch like them not getting the two point conversion. Huge. Huge. Yeah. Everything that had to happen here, very, very huge for the PR of this shit. But if this would have changed Moneyline, changed cover change any of that people in it was a public. Oh, geez.
- [42:21]
Adam Schefter
What was the over under on that game?
- [42:23]
AJ Hawk
It had more than that.
- [42:24]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah. I want to say like 44.
- [42:26]
Darius Butler
Oh, okay.
- [42:26]
Pat McAfee
Okay.
- [42:27]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [42:27]
Pat McAfee
So under hit still.
- [42:29]
Ty Schmidt
I was still hitting.
- [42:29]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. So every bet still hit if one of them does it so much. And that's why I think hockey leagues, I get this guy off my crew. Can't have that. Panicking fourth quarter, less than 10 seconds left, full panic. Can't have that.
- [42:43]
Ty Schmidt
No.
- [42:43]
Pat McAfee
But once again, to the refs, you guys had a great year. Never forget it. Right. You got to give them some, you know, time.
- [42:51]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah. Can't screw up at the end here.
- [42:54]
Pat McAfee
Can't ruin the whole season.
- [42:55]
Gumpy
Oh yeah.
- [42:56]
Pat McAfee
You guys have a couple bets, start stacking knees on top of each other. Yeah.
- [42:59]
Boston Connor
No, no, no.
- [42:59]
Pat McAfee
People are never going to remember that. The first 15 weeks pretty good. Just a few that have really been terrible. Nobody's going to talk about it. What have you done for us lately? And it works against a lot of different kickers, punters, quarterbacks, teams, coaches, refs, definitely. But you guys are built for it. We appreciate your service this year. You guys are built for It. All right, let's talk about two games tonight. Bears, Vikings, Falcons, Raiders. Shefty, what should we be thinking about as we head into a doubleheader for Monday Night Football? What a treat.
- [43:30]
Boston Connor
I know.
- [43:30]
Pat McAfee
What a treatment. Football game. Shefty, what should we be thinking about?
- [43:34]
Adam Schefter
Well, a few things to keep your eye here tonight. I think first of all in relation to the Vikings, they have a chance now to win the division. They control their own fate. And with Detroit leaking oil here and suffering all these injuries, it's possible that the Vikings could find their way to be the NFC north champs, which nobody ever would have thought this year to be the second game for Thomas Brown, the Bears interim head coach. That first one was last week against the Niners. Didn't work out well. They're looking to rebound tonight. We'll see if they could do that. To help his chances of trying to keep that job, we'll get Desmond Ritter starting for the Atlanta Falcons. That's the or for the Raiders. That's the expectation tonight that Desmond Ritter will start against his former team. Aiden O'Connell listed as questionable. They'll take a look at him in pregame to see if there's any hope. But it certainly sounds like Ritter is tracking to start in Kirk Cousins. Falcons, they've lost four straight games during that stretch of time. Cousins has thrown no touchdown passes, eight interceptions. Looks like it looks like he's just, he's not playing the same way since the Achilles injury. And this is a team that needs to weigh in. The pressures really are now because Tampa found a way to win in Los Angeles yesterday. So they can't afford to fall any further behind Atlanta. And the pressure is on and people wondering if they'll continue to stick with Kirk Cousins, which the plan is to stick with him. And there you see the division standings, how it all lays out why there's pressure on Atlanta tonight on its four game losing streak. The Vikings obviously are within reach of winning a division title if they could find a way. The Bears not going to make it. The Raiders already been eliminated and would have the number one pick today. So there's some things to look at tonight, Pat.
- [45:12]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, certainly. And whenever you think about that Falcons team, they were rolling.
- [45:16]
Ty Schmidt
They were six and three.
- [45:18]
Pat McAfee
Kirko Chains is all the way back, got hot. I mean it was.
- [45:21]
Ty Schmidt
You set the single season or the single game passing record for the Falcons.
- [45:25]
Pat McAfee
And this was, hey, what happened on draft night, who cares? This is Kirk's team. Yeah, everything that we hoped would happen with Pennix getting a chance to Learn for the next couple years behind Kirk. We're going to. We're going to roll in this entire thing. And then all of a sudden you have four weeks where you have eight interceptions, no touchdowns. Everybody's like, are we done with this guy? We paid this guy 180 million. Which leads to a couple off season storylines that we're going to project. Deshaun Watson, he's definitely back with the Browns.
- [45:52]
Adam Schefter
Well, they have to bring him back. I mean, I think they're kind of stuck with the contract. Unless there's a way that they figure a way to wiggle out of it.
- [45:59]
Pat McAfee
What if they don't wiggle out of it and say, I see the Denver Broncos, all of a sudden they're in a super wild card spot and they're taking a $40 million hit. What, for two years or whatever? We'll take $100 million. $100 million hit.
- [46:13]
Adam Schefter
The Denver Broncos are carrying an $80.1 million worth of dead cap money. Not all Russell Wilson, but that's the majority of it. But they have over $80 million in dead cat money, and they are on their way to clinching wild card spots. Yeah, I mean, the Browns could do it. I think Watson is owed $73 million. That's his cap number next year. He's owed 92 million guaranteed during his time left in Cleveland. It's a lot of money. And, yeah, you know, they'll figure out if there's a way that they could move them off the rock. They're stuck. I mean, they're stuck.
- [46:51]
Pat McAfee
They're quite a quagmire. I'd say it's quite a quiet quagmire. Good work. Hey, thank you.
- [46:56]
Adam Schefter
Word of the day.
- [46:56]
Pat McAfee
It's a Pete Tham a word for sure. I've heard him drop that one in a couple of different conversations.
- [47:00]
Adam Schefter
And Boston guy, it sounds like a Boston word. You know, like.
- [47:03]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, things of that ilk, you know, that is certainly. And there's no subterfuge here. It is always on display for Pete Thamel out there. Okay, so let's assume desean Watson's back. Unless they're able to figure that out. Once again, Mulligata needs to be negotiating for. For anything that is very important, like us versus these aliens.
- [47:24]
Darius Butler
No kidding.
- [47:24]
Pat McAfee
Okay. Anyways, let's talk about a couple head coaches that interesting because they're in their first year as head coaches, but the teams obviously have not played well. And let's go to Vegas. Let's go to New England Vegas. Antonio Pierce. That's It. Did they ever have a quarterback? I don't know. Should he be blamed for that? I don't know. But will he? Is the question I'm asking you. And then in New England, we say we see Jonathan Kraft, who everybody in New England loves. They think this guy is. He's a really good guy. I think the documentary has certainly put him in good graces with a lot of people in New England. I'm joking about that. But he was clearly saying, these plays suck. This play call suck. Like he's seen saying bad things. Is Coach Mayo, what are we doing? These guys suck. Basically, use his action. That's only when they caught him on camera, let alone all the other times. What about. What about Coach Mayo and Coach Pierce? One year, both of them former players. I love that, getting that. But normally coaches get a few years to kind of put their culture in. But we're in an antsy world right now. Is there any chance that those guys get calls saying, hey, we no longer want you as the head coach. Are they going to get opportunities to continue to build their thing?
- [48:38]
Adam Schefter
Well, I can tell you we'll address each one. The Patriots really want to give Gerard Mayo a chance, and that is the plan is to stay with him. Now, yesterday was a bad loss. If there are three more bad losses in this league, we see things constantly change in the last month of the season. But I can tell you that going into the month of December, they wanted to give Gerard Mayo more time to grow. The plan was to keep him as their head coach, let him learn on the job, and continue to let him build the organization that he wanted. Now, again, there was one bad loss and things can change. So we'll see if anything does. But that was not the thinking at all going into the month of December. Going in, it was, they're keeping Gerard Mayo. As for Antonio Pierce, I think last week when Mark Davis spoke at the owner's meetings, I think it was pretty apparent that Antonio Pierce's future is unsettled. He was asked about the general manager, the head coach. He said he's viewing them separately, not as a package deal with the Raiders. Having hired Tom Tesco during the off season made it very clear that each guy will be judged independently of one another. And he also said, I'll get to everything after the season. Like, if an owner is going to stand behind a guy, he stands behind a guy. Mark Davis didn't stand behind Antonio Pierce. So until he does, I think that's a question. It's also a little bit unfair to AP Considering all the quarterback drama that they've been through, they haven't had a quarterback this year. And so if Mark Davis. That's what he decides to do. Well, again, Antonio Pierce was fighting a fight this year with one hand at least tied behind his back. Like, how are you going to do that when you don't have the quarterback? Was it their fault that the six quarterbacks went right in front of them in the draft and none of them were left when their turn rolled around? And I mean, it just was a tough thing to do. So they didn't have the type of quarterback play that I think it's fair to judge Antonio Pierce on. But it certainly didn't sound last week like he is an absolute lock to be back at all.
- [50:44]
Pat McAfee
Okay, Max Crosby, obviously. Godspeed on the recovery, brother. The NFL misses you playing relevant football. That which happened last year. You know, last year, whenever Antonio Pierce became interview interim head coach, there was a buzz and that Raiders team was must watch. Remember, we're smoking cigars. Yeah. We're playing music. We're doing everything in the locker room now. It's like being forced to watch a Raiders game sucks, you know, so that's amazing how one year exactly tonight's gonna suck. Tonight's. Nobody's looking forward to it. Yeah. Desmond Ritter, good luck. Right? All right. Yeah. Mark Davis said, come on, guys, he's got a little bit of spite. No, let's throw him out there, see how it goes. It's a tough fall from the top, but if you can climb back there, you're remembered forever. We appreciate the hell out of you shefty guys.
- [51:30]
Adam Schefter
Happy holidays to everybody. We'll talk next Monday.
- [51:32]
Pat McAfee
You're there, huh? You're in a hotel. Where are you?
- [51:35]
Adam Schefter
I'm in Bristol. We had to. We had the doubleheader tonight. So during the pregame show from Bristol, Connecticut. So here I am. In fact, it was 4:30 in the morning and I stayed at this hotel like it's right by the highway. And the last time I was in the hotel, I noticed that there was like a garbage truck coming early in the morning. So I asked to be switched the side of the hotel from the even numbers to the odd numbers. So 4:30 this morning, I hear this garbage truck noise. I'm like, what the heck is that? And it just keeps going for about a half hour. I'm like, this is the longest garbage truck pickup that I've ever heard in my entire life. I get out of bed, I look out the window, turns out snow everywhere here, snow everywhere. So they were shoveling snow in this parking lot. So I thought it was the garbage truck, but it was snow.
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Pat McAfee
Was a plow.
- [52:18]
Adam Schefter
A lot of snow.
- [52:18]
Pat McAfee
And Bristol, you city slickers don't get it that the snow doesn't just move itself out of the parking lot. You know that is not how it goes. We appreciate you. Good luck tonight. Ladies and gentlemen, Adam Schefter. It's taking a long time to pick up this dumpster and dump this thing. What the hell is going on? Can't even hear that. That dumpster sound.
- [52:41]
Boston Connor
Oh my God.
- [52:41]
Pat McAfee
The beep obviously wakes you up because it's like an alarm.
- [52:44]
Boston Connor
Sure.
- [52:44]
Pat McAfee
But then the big old pickup and then that is alarming. It is good move by him moving to the other side of the hallway. Can I get an odd number so I can get on the other side of the hallway, please? That's a veteran move right there it is. Go ahead, Tom.
- [52:57]
AJ Hawk
I did a peaksy into the nothing be being affected by the Saints and commanders. The commanders were the number one most teased team of the weekend.
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Boston Connor
So that.
- [53:08]
AJ Hawk
That would have affected.
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Pat McAfee
Been affected it there did tasers get out there. We apologize for it. That, that's crazy. That ref made that mistake.
- [53:16]
Ty Schmidt
Can't have it absurd.
- [53:17]
Pat McAfee
Cuz like why?
- [53:19]
Ty Schmidt
What there's no reasoning to like if. If he was reaching for the goal.
- [53:22]
Pat McAfee
Line you could kind maybe he was in. We're going to have to review that. Is it a touchdown? Is it play over?
- [53:27]
Darius Butler
It got no timeouts.
- [53:28]
Pat McAfee
Like clearly no timeouts. And I assume they're having the same conversations on those little headsets that they all have.
- [53:33]
Boston Connor
Yeah.
- [53:33]
Pat McAfee
Hey, no timeouts. Remember? Here we go. You would think.
- [53:35]
Darius Butler
You would assume. Yeah.
- [53:36]
Pat McAfee
You would think that that type of stuff is happening. Just like when an offensive coordinator relays into a quarterback and a quarterback probably has already done this. Especially veteran quarterbacks to the huddle to the thing. We're going into a two minute run. Hey, we got no timeouts. Okay. Need to get out of bounds if the person's inbounds. We all need to get as quick as possible, get the ball to the ref and then they call their first play. Then they're off and running. You would assume the refs would have the same conversation. Hey, the Saints got no timeouts now going forward. So no matter what happens here, let's make sure we're. We're on it.
- [54:04]
Darius Butler
You would assume that. I mean the zebras look, they play a huge, huge role. I think, I think it's time for some post game press conferences. I Think they need. They need to be hit with some hard hit.
- [54:13]
Pat McAfee
The pool. The pool report. The pool report. No, that's a journalist.
- [54:15]
Darius Butler
Is that. Is that standing in front of Mark Caboli getting drilled with the hard hitting question?
- [54:20]
Pat McAfee
That's right.
- [54:20]
Darius Butler
Like, hey, what do you think inside Judge, when you came in there blowing it dead?
- [54:25]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Hockey Lee having to speak for the side judge is certainly something which I think Hockey Leaves was pissed off that his name was even associated with this type of egregious mistake. We can't review it. Sorry. Don't know what to tell you. Well, why didn't you. What do you want us to do?
- [54:39]
Ty Schmidt
I already told you.
- [54:40]
Pat McAfee
As soon as I saw it, I started. We wound the clock as soon as we saw it. And then we all said, if it means anything, into our headset we go, you dipshit. Wow. If we. At least we tried to punish our own. But in the game, in the grand scheme of things, we can't talk about it. Congress to detect Texans. They won the AFC south. Back to back winners of the AFC South. CJ Stroud, obviously. Absolute weapon. Tank Dell as a returner. Problematic.
- [55:04]
Ty Schmidt
Filthy.
- [55:05]
Pat McAfee
He is so expl. I think I forgot how explosive he is as a player. Defense, they're not even playing with Aziz Al Shayer, remember, because he's been suspended. So as this Houston Texans team, they were in a little bit of. A little bit of not playing good ball. Didn't look like they were the team that we thought they were going to become. They're getting healthy at the right time. They're getting people back whenever they have to go play in the playoffs. And also they beat the absolute dog shit out of the Miami Dolphins. I was on a plane with a Miami Dolphins fan this weekend flying to Saturday night's main event on Long Island. That was an absolute blast and a joy. And I was talking to said Dolphins fan and he told me, but Armstead, I think not playing, I believe, was the piece of information they drew. And I said, did I pick the Dolphins against the Texans in the against the spread weekly slate? And he goes, yeah, but remember, you need the Dolphins. And I go, oh, yeah, I do. But that is the easiest bet of the weekend. Houston Texans are certainly going to do their thing against his Miami Dolphins team. What a nice game for them to get their swagger back. What a nice game for Nico and CJ to kind of see each other, feel each other in a game. You don't think so?
- [56:16]
Darius Butler
I mean, I love C.J. stroud, but he, you know, he doesn't look the same. He doesn't look the same as, you know, we expected coming into this year. I expect a big, big jump now. Defensively, Stingley had an unbelievable game and they picked off to it, what, three times? I think all three of them maybe was going to Tyreek Hill. So still a little concerned about that offense with C.J. stroud and mixing not being able to get it going either. Against Dolphins.
- [56:38]
Pat McAfee
They'll have a home playoff game because they won the AFC South. Congrats to them. Colts eliminated themselves.
- [56:45]
Boston Connor
They did.
- [56:45]
Pat McAfee
They dropped it.
- [56:46]
Boston Connor
Yep.
- [56:46]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, they picked it up. Ran really far fast. Yeah. And then dropped it.
- [56:52]
Ty Schmidt
Sad.
- [56:53]
Pat McAfee
Broncos are a good team though. Never forget it.
- [56:58]
Darius Butler
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- [59:14]
AJ Hawk
Get it done.
- [59:15]
Pat McAfee
Let's get our shopping done, boys. Happy holiday. A lot of football to talk about. Let's dive in. Hour two here. The toxic tables here at Boss Connor and at Tyschman. Who do we not talk about enough in the first hour, you think? Con man?
- [59:26]
Ty Schmidt
I mean, we did not really touch on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers just putting it on the LA Chargers yesterday in the second half. It was pretty close game early on and then out of nowhere, I mean, Mike Evans, dba, kind of brought this up earlier. Mike Evans, first Battle hall of Famer. He is so good at football. Second, I think he ended up with like 200 yards around there. And Baker and them, 159, 159, 17, 13. And then they just obliterated the Chargers. It was, I think it's 27 nothing, second half score. And they, they did this a couple times where it's just like, okay, where's Mike Evans lined up? I'm just going to find him and sling him the pill. I believe this was one of his touchdowns as well. Yeah, I mean, it was unbelievable to watch the clinic they put on in the second half.
- [60:08]
Pat McAfee
In a year of explosives, having Mike Evans is certainly a massive prized piece in Baker Mayfield.
- [60:15]
Darius Butler
Yeah.
- [60:16]
Pat McAfee
Ballin, nine year NFL vet Darius J. Butler. Nobody's talking about the Bucks. They have a commanding lead down there in the NFC South. Gonna have a home playoff game if this continues to go the way this is going for them. They're a real contender, this team.
- [60:28]
Darius Butler
Not talking about them nearly enough. And Baker, you know, kind of kept this team afloat when Mike Evans was out, you know, the, the nasty injury that Chris Godwin had earlier in the season, he was having a good year as well. The run game, they've actually found a run game this year. Bucky Urban got back in there and had over 100 yards this week as well. But even the previous week with him out, they had a good run game. So having that balanced attack on offense. I think the offensive coordinator, Liam Cohen, he'll be getting some head coaching calls after this year. But Baker Mayfield, I think he hit 30 touchdowns for the first time in his career. So having to kind of Resurge this year after getting paid again, keeping the team afloat and as you mentioned, taking that commanding lead in the NFC South.
- [61:06]
Pat McAfee
They lose David Canales as the offensive coordinator and he continues to ball out down there as is David. What's. Carolina Panthers. Go ahead.
- [61:13]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, like they kind of did the whole Tom Brady thing and I don't think, at least myself, I didn't expect them to just continue rolling with Baker Mayfield. Like Baker, we're not that far away from when he was playing, you know, DN for the Carolina Panthers on their practice squad. And he's completely had a resurgence of his career and basically saved the Bucs franchise because even in Brady's last year, you know, they, they won the division, but I think they went 8 and 9 when they won the division. Then they lost to the Cowboys at home and that was kind of. That was it for Brady. And then Baker comes in, gets a contract and is absolutely dominating for Tampa Bay. It's awesome.
- [61:46]
Pat McAfee
I love the Bucks. Their fans, obviously, I think they probably relate to Baker a lot more than they related to Tom Brady. But there's always multiple different ways to win. And Tom Brady and Baker had that moment this year where there was already a little bit of drama and you talk about the injuries that they had. There was a couple times where I think we all just assumed the Bucks were going to be out of this thing. And instead we, I think we all failed to realize this is new Baker Mayfield.
- [62:11]
Ty Schmidt
Truly.
- [62:11]
Pat McAfee
This is Oklahoma. Baker May.
- [62:13]
Boston Connor
Exactly.
- [62:13]
Pat McAfee
This is Oklahoma. Baker Mayfield with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Now, obviously he's much more mature and his life has happened and perspective, perspective has been put into place numerous times. When he wins a playoff game for Cleveland, they still kick his ass out of there. Then he goes to Carolina. Nothing. Goes to LA for like a week. Balls out, has a full on resurgence. Get down to Tampa Bay, has a good year.
- [62:35]
Bill Belichick
Yeah.
- [62:36]
Pat McAfee
But is he gets signed to big money now, he's backing it up down there. So happy for Baker Mayfield.
- [62:41]
Boston Connor
All that stuff is absolutely true. He probably did need to, you know, just mature a little bit. And everything that happened, happened to him, you know, along the way. Probably needed to happen for him to get to this point. But the more I watch him play too, it's like this guy got, he got railroaded big time. Like if you, if you ask Browns fans now, they would have been like, yes, Jesus Christ, we would kill to still have Baker Mayfield. And it was, you know, I don't even know if it was anything he really did. Like, we always talked about like the, hey, he's in every single commercial, you know, and, and whatever happened in Cleveland happened. But for the, like for him to not get an opportunity even really after that until he ends up coming back to Tampa, like it's crazy and it's very evident like this guy's a top 15 quarterback in the NFL. There's no two ways about it. And I bet there are a bunch of teams now who are kicking themselves in the ass thinking, man, we could have had Baker when he was playing D end on the practice squad in Carolina.
- [63:30]
Pat McAfee
And a bowls defense can beat anybody. They can figure out anybody if they have to and maybe they will. What if the Buccaneers win the super bowl this year? What if the Tampa Bay Buccaneers win the super bowl this year? Let's go to 1/2 of the hammer done Cowboys. AP Tone what are the odds?
- [63:47]
AJ Hawk
They have the 10th shortest odds to win the Super bowl plus 3300 which is if you bet a hundred, you win $3300 and they have the fifth shortest odds to win the NFC.
- [63:56]
Pat McAfee
We're not saying you should do that. That's not what we are not saying to put money on anything. We're just, we're just talking, just info. Hey, they got explosive plays, they got a defense. Like maybe the Tampa Bay Buccaneers figure out how to make it to the end of the line to Windle Lombardi. And that would be a phenomenal story for Baker Mayfield. Joining us now is a man who I think is a big Bake fan. Yeah, he's from the great state of Ohio. He's a college football national champion, super bowl champion, the all time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers, AJ Hogg. AJ Ty just mentioned it. Bake kind of got railroaded up there in Cleveland. Do you feel the same way now looking back and how do you feel about this Buccaneers team?
- [64:33]
Gumpy
Yeah, I think the Bucks are kind of flying under the radar. But yeah, I'm a, I'm a huge Baker fan and I, I'm around plenty of Browns fans here in Ohio and yes, they absolutely see what Bake is doing and would love to have his productivity on the field. And obviously the with the Bucks, they're deep. Levante David still doing it. The guy's been doing it forever. I think he had a couple sacks, double digit tackles like they're rolling right now, man. I think they're in a good spot where people aren't really talking about them too much.
- [64:57]
Pat McAfee
What's your big takeaway from week 15 Sunday? We got two games tonight, obviously, Bears Vikings. Vikings game mass massive ordeal for the NFC north and NFC home field advantage throughout the season. Congrats to them. They're favored by seven. And then Falcons, Raiders, which I think everybody's going to view as a, ah, who cares Bowl. But the Falcons still with a win can obviously continue to chase the 10 Bay Buccaneers down there in the NFC South. And the Raiders are looking for anything to celebrate life for over there in that locker room. What are you what do you think about week 15? What do you think about the games tonight? Age?
- [65:29]
Gumpy
Well, I think first of all, the first thing I think tonight, I mean Kirk Cousins isn't taking this game lightly. Like doesn't he. Don't you think he knows there's a lot on the line tonight? He has to come out there and play well?
- [65:37]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, yeah. Kirk. I mean, yeah, Kirk needs to have a big one tonight. Yeah. And I think if we know anything about Kirk, he's going to for sure that that's how I'm looking at that game. Don't want to give my picks away. Sure. Not that I should. Did you see how you did against the spread this weekend?
- [65:52]
Gumpy
H No, I did not, buddy.
- [65:54]
Pat McAfee
Oh, see. Oh, congratulations. Now you knew that too this morning when you woke up. You knew that you won 11 and three against the spread this week thus far, right?
- [66:07]
Gumpy
Absolutely.
- [66:08]
Darius Butler
Yeah.
- [66:08]
Gumpy
As I was watching the games yesterday, I definitely remembered every single pick I made.
- [66:11]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I I have that same issue, you know, a lot of did I I don't remember. I waffled a bunch. Oh, why'd I pick that? Oh, because I wanted that to happen. And then you every single Monday go, how'd I do? I don't remember. You know, I don't even think, you know a thought process for some of the games where you're just living in the moment so much. It kind of comes and goes. What is your big talking point from yesterday? What's your Josh Allen.
- [66:34]
Gumpy
Josh Allen. I know where you're going. Like, okay, I have a, like I love watching the dude play now. It's just that was a fun game to watch. Back and forth, tons of points. Those are always fun to watch. But yeah, like everything about what he is doing, just the confidence he played, I think the confidence he gives the rest of the team is what I see when I watch Josh Allen playing just how much fun they're having, man. Like it's cool to Football is a lot of fun when you're winning and you're dominating and you're scoring a lot of points. And I think that's what they're doing right now.
- [66:57]
Pat McAfee
Remember a lot of names that a lot of us potentially did not know of. And, and I'm not saying us as in, you know, you and me individually, we're just talking about the NFL landscape. They lose Stefan Diggs, how are they going to survive? They don't have any weapons. Who's going to be their weapons? Everybody. Everybody. And the quarterback, he's the biggest one of them all. He could do whatever. However, whenever Mack Owens obviously takes an onside kick to the crib. Haven't chatted about that yet. 12 minutes left. Up 10, three timeouts. I'm sorry. Down 10, three timeouts remaining. Decide to tell the other team, hey, we're going to do an onside kick here, you know, because you have to tell the team it's coming in the fourth quarter. And Matt Collins takes it to the house after battling with Branch all day. Oh, sorry. He gets a bit massive return after battling with Branch all damn day. Like, what are your thoughts on the kick? I would like to say great ball right there.
- [67:51]
Gumpy
Great kick, right?
- [67:52]
Pat McAfee
That is a great onside kick. That ball's going to get a good hop there. And if Mack doesn't make a phenomenal play, sideline guy catches that and all of a sudden the Lions have the ball. Now, was this decision made for the same exact reasons that the fourth down decisions were made the week before? He knew that, hey, we're not able to stop the other team anyways. So if we give him the ball on the 45 or we give him the ball on the other 25 or 30, does it matter? Doesn't take into account Mack taking it all the way down to the five yard line. But I think that is why mcdc makes all these decisions, because he sees the same injury report that everybody else does on his defensive side, let alone in this game losing two more guys. Is that what your thoughts are on it? And how do you think this game was handled if you're Motor City, Dan Campbell, AJ Well, I mean, I see.
- [68:42]
Gumpy
People coming after him for this. I, I would say this is. I don't know if you want to call it reckless. This is a bit risky. I think with 12 minutes ago, I would, I would put it in that category, I guess. But yeah, I don't know. Like, would you ever see something like this in the playoffs? I don't know. Like, that's the thing, what everyone thinks it's going to come get you when you, when you need it the least. Like, that's when it's Going to cost your team a game. But how many games have they won because of this?
- [69:04]
Pat McAfee
Well, because of onside kicks, I don't think. Actually, I got some stats on the onside kicks from Hembo today. They are glorious. I mean, just try to hammer this whole thing home.
- [69:17]
Darius Butler
I throw this one in the reckless pile for sure.
- [69:19]
Pat McAfee
Teams. Okay, to your point, teams are 3 of 44 on recovering onside kicks this season. That's 6. 6.8%, almost 7%. I didn't hear zero, man. Yeah. Did you hear zero?
- [69:31]
Boston Connor
No.
- [69:32]
Pat McAfee
Because what are our chances of stopping Josh Allen? Zero. So what are the chances on side kick? 6.8%. Okay, that sounds like a lot more than zero, he's saying. And then over the last three seasons, eight of 141 recovered, which is why, you know, they're considering changing the onside kick. And if it was a 4th and 20 or whatever, or 4th and 15 in the row own end, we assume Ben Johnson, Jared Goff would be able to get that. No problems at all. You think it's reckless? I agree. I don't think he was accounting for Mack taking that thing because 10 goes to 17 real quick. And that's a whole different conversation. Even though they end up making it a game in the fourth later after this. And he admitted it. Shouldn't have done that first time I heard that at mc.
- [70:20]
Darius Butler
Yeah, I feel like he, he, he does a good job of owning it and knowing who he is. And look, sometimes he's going to come back and bite you in the ass. If it's six minutes left in the game, maybe. But would it been so long in the game and obviously you're not. They haven't. They didn't stop Josh Allen. But, you know, giving him a short field, that. That's not going to help your defense stop them. But yeah, I think that was reckless. The fourth downs, I don't, I don't mind that at all, especially with how banged up the defense is. If my offense has to pick up 1, 2, 3, 4 yards, I can risk that. But as far as a 7% chance on an onside kick with 12 minutes of three time.
- [70:51]
Pat McAfee
6.8.
- [70:52]
Darius Butler
6.8.
- [70:53]
Pat McAfee
You know, Bates hits a good.
- [70:55]
Darius Butler
Yeah, a great ball and then he.
- [70:57]
Pat McAfee
Hit a good one.
- [70:58]
Gumpy
You got that hop you want, right? That's the hop you always want because it gives you a chance.
- [71:01]
Pat McAfee
Yes. And normally like the one, like the high hop bounce, like the fa. My favorite is the high hop where you spike into the ground, top of ball and that thing produces a jump ball. If you hit it good, like Janikowski used to be able to hit that thing, especially on that baseball field. He used to be able to hit that thing for like an actual jump ball happening at exactly 10. And he could do it as a surprise, he could do it as a plan. I think Mason Crosby had a really good 1. Mike McCarthy used to let him do some surprise high hops over there. I did hit an okay one, but like nowadays they don't seemingly do that. The other one that people would do is a roller and then they would hope for that high hop to happen and it would like, hopefully catch somebody or maybe bounce over somebody's head. He hit an interesting. That was like a two hop. That thing hit it high and then the next one like hit pretty good. Feels like he's got that one down pretty comfortable. And I think mcdc knows that too. He's obviously seen him do this a bunch in practice. And if he thought he had a better chance of receiving that than stopping Josh Allen, I mean, in the moment, I guess you got to go with the big barbarian, you know, and that's kind of how he's been making decisions and that.
- [72:10]
Boston Connor
I mean, that's an incredible play by Matt Collins. It is like just the wherewithal and to, you know, return it, like. Yeah, exactly. But also like, that's what. What they shouldn't have to declare when they're doing an onside kick. I mean, it obviously makes a have to. I know, which is dumb.
- [72:24]
Gumpy
But is that for safety?
- [72:26]
Pat McAfee
What does. No, because everybody up on the 35. Yeah. So what are you going to do?
- [72:31]
Boston Connor
Figure that out years past if he does that? Like that is like, oh, we never saw that coming. And they probably recover it because I mean, obviously the kickoff rule is different.
- [72:40]
Pat McAfee
Now, especially with how good of a kick it was.
- [72:42]
Boston Connor
Yeah, right.
- [72:42]
Pat McAfee
Like, that's the. It was a great. And shout out to Jake for working that. Cuz a lot of these kickers aren't working them because it is a 6.8%. And then everybody says, well, they can't get an onside kick. It's like they're hitting balls. I mean, these aren't even.
- [72:54]
Darius Butler
He had the other one too.
- [72:55]
Pat McAfee
The one. Yeah, the one shooting hit and that became a scrub. You've got to work on those things for them to be good. And I think because of how hard it's got with the no run up, the no overload, obviously you're telling people now every time you got to do it. The percentages have gone so low. So I think guys have stopped working them too. I think that is something that's happened with kicker shout out to Jake, obviously putting in the work. Joining us now is a guy who's going to have a great take on this. One of the biggest brains. Well, biggest brain in the history of football. Greatest NFL coach of all time, greatest NFL general manager of all time, current head coach of the University of North Carolina Tar Heels football team. Ladies and gentlemen, Bill Belichick. How you doing, coach?
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Bill Belichick
Hey, Pat. How we doing, Pat?
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Pat McAfee
Great.
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Bill Belichick
Well, let me tell you, I wish they had changed that onside kick rule when we were playing against you. That would have saved us a lot of practice time.
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Pat McAfee
I know, I know, man.
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Bill Belichick
I'm telling you, that was a pain. And, oh, man. And you got us on the one. But luckily there was a penalty on it and we got off the hook. But, man, I'm telling. That was a problem. But, you know, it's interesting on that play, I think if they had twisted the two, you know, Holland's jumped up. He didn't really have it. If the outside guy had gone for Hollins and knocked him down instead of jumping up trying to recover the ball and they looped one of those other guys back outside, I mean, it might have been a better play. But, yeah, I'm with you. I mean, when you have to declare the onside kick, it takes that. That's the perfect example right there, of you'd have to play for the deep kick as well as the onside and really give the. The kicking team an advantage. But when you have to declare it, it just, you know, takes any of the mystery out of it.
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Pat McAfee
We had a couple years there where surprise onside kick was coming anytime for us. And we were successful with a surprise, right? We are successful with a surprise left and we were successful with a surprise up the middle. So it was literally all things having to be covered. But now with the way the new lineup is and how it is, they have to say, like, hey, we're lining up our. And it's kind of a. I want to say crop, but it is. It's crop kind of total. They're going to put in a fourth and 15 or a fourth and 20. You think, coach, you're a little bit more close to the situation to have better knowledge on that. You think they're going to do that for the onside?
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Bill Belichick
I don't know. I really have no idea. But I would say that when you and Alinda Mare had the high hopper, that ball was so high that the kicking team Got there the same time as the recovering team, had a chance to catch it. So it wasn't like you had it and then you had a second to cover it up. It was the kid. The kicking team got there just as fast before the ball actually came in and it hit the ground. So they couldn't fair catch it or anything. It was. Those were the two hardest kicks where you and Linda Mari, to me, were. There were two tough ones.
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Pat McAfee
Well, that's. That's an honor. Makes you feel really good there. And listen, if I had any eligibility, I'd come back and play for you at UNC and be an honor. How's it been, coach? Obviously, congratulations. We haven't had a chance to chat with you since the decision was officialized. Congratulations. And ultimately, is it what you were expecting for the first week as a head coach of a college football team?
- [76:03]
Bill Belichick
You know what I feel like? I feel like it's a combination of the hours after the draft when you're trying to sign the players who weren't drafted and the two days before the start of free agency and the first day of free agency when free agency hasn't started, but it hasn't. Transfer portal hasn't started, but it hasn't. Some guys are in it, they're going in it, they're not going in it. You know, it's. It's a lot of dealing with the player, the agent and, and maybe another person because not all players have agents. So it's been an interesting process, but it's very similar. Mike Lombardi and I were just talking about it. It's very similar to what we went through with the post draft process and the, and right at the beginning of free agent process all combined into one with the transfer portal. And then you still have a little bit of, you know, some leftover players from high school that are uncommitted or, you know, that are maybe weren't recruited. But for some reason now their, their name has surfaced and they're in it. So, you know, it's exciting to put together a team, you know, offensive line, quarterbacks, about. A lot of guys think now we're really, you know, looking to add some skill players to the roster, whether that's, you know, tight ends, receivers, running backs. Really want to add those into the, you know, into our roster and put the most competitive team we can out there as well. Of course, you know, you know, I'll never pass up a good defensive player.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah, absolutely. And I think we just assume any defense of your coaching is going to be good. No matter who's out there. But let's talk about the who's that are going to be out there, because in the NFL, you know, contract negotiation, free agency, you kind of know what comps are and how much to pay and kind of know who you want and who's the best player. In this particular case, there's no way you've been able to watch film on everybody. And also your conversations with player, agent or person, how are those going? Are you selling your program to them? Are you explaining what their life's going to be like? Are they asking you questions and how long are these conversations going? Because I think that is the big question everybody has is, is Bill Belichick going to want to, I think, is the big one. Talk to all these people and explain why they should come. Like, how are those gone for you? How have those situations gone?
- [78:17]
Bill Belichick
Yeah, well, we've been talking to a number of players and we have more coming in this week as part of the portal that closes on Sunday. So we have guys coming in really pretty much every day this week, still talking to a couple of high school players. We signed the quarterback, you know, we signed Bryce and announced that at the basketball game on Saturday afternoon. So that's a big one for us locally here. But there's still a few player, a few players involved there, but the majority of them are transfer players in the portal. And again, that portal will extend a little bit as the college football playoffs go and teams get eliminated, and then those players will be eligible to jump on it as well. Right now the numbers are pretty high, but that'll start to, you know, taper off a little bit as we go. But yeah, absolutely, we're selling the program. But quite honestly, Pat, a lot of players and agents are coming to us saying we want to be part of the program. Is there a spot for us? Would you take this player, that player and so forth. And so a lot of the agents are also representing players in, in the transfer portal that we've dealt with in the National Football League. And so a lot of those relationships now carry over into, into college football. So it's been an interesting process. It's going fast, but it's, you know, it's, it's fun and, you know, it's great to be, it's great to be at North Carolina and great to be at this great university and, and, you know, back in the game, we're spending money, not as much as we spent in the NFL, but, you know, we're tossed, tossing around a little bit of Money. And so, you know, I kind of, you know, enjoy seeing the players getting compensated for, you know, the, the arrangement that they're going to be going into. And so it's, you know, it's a new landscape in college football. But honestly, not too different. Not too. It's different, but it's not too different. This part of the process is too different from what we've dealt with in, in the NFL.
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Pat McAfee
Old hat for old Bill Belichick and Lombardi, all these new call, all these college coaches, man, this new world is crazy. I got to talk to a. We got to negotiate. We don't know how much money we have. And then Bill and Lombardi already have the entire thing. All right? We can't pay that much money to that position. We can't. We just can't do that. So then the conversations, especially with agents that you already know from the NFL, you can say, listen, Dave, we're not doing that. You know, we're not going to do that. But what you do know is, long term, he gets in here, we're going to build. You know, that's an interesting recruiting situation that you have that nobody else in the entire college world has. Good for you. And I did see that Bryce signing. You're. Hey, of course it's going to work. It's going to work.
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Gumpy
Go ahead, AJ Coach, I'm sure you've. You already have, like, your whole, whole winter and spring mapped out, but something Pat and I talk about a lot doesn't have in the NFL is those winter morning workouts that these college teams have where it kind of. It pretty much forges your team together because it's some of the most difficult workouts you'll have early in the morning. Have you already had those planned? What do you think those are going to be like? And how valuable are those to your team?
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Bill Belichick
Yeah, I think they're really valuable, A.J. you know, right now the team's getting ready to go up and play in the Fenway bowl on the 28th, and then when school resumes back in January, we'll get into some of the off season program and spring ball and all that. But it's such a great opportunity to work with the players in the spring. The number of padded practices that you can have and you watch the improvement and development of these players of that period of time is fantastic. Something that we just can't do in the National Football League. You just can't put on pads in the spring. But I saw how much last year when I was head coach, Fish gave Me an opportunity to be, you know, around the Washington program. How much those kids improved in spring ball was. I just had forgotten what a, what a great jump they make in those, you know, in those spring practices when you combine the. The practice and then the meeting and then practice, meeting, string those together. Those players got so much better. And that's what I'm envisioning here, too. So really excited to work with them and, you know, help to develop the players and their skills to the highest level possible.
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Pat McAfee
You talk about development. The strength coach is like the most important hire of the entire program. On that note, he's not the only one. Or she's not the only one. D bot has a question for you, coach.
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Darius Butler
Yes, Congrats again, coach. I'm glad this loss in the fenway ball to UConn isn't going on your record, but I know you got a timeline. You said you get a lot of calls from recruits and agents. I'm sure you're getting a lot of calls from former coaches and coaches that, you know, how's that. How's that timeline going with you filling out that staff and when you expect to have that job complete?
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Bill Belichick
Well, that's good question. It's. I've really been focused on the recruiting and the transfer portal and all that. And so with Mike Lombardi and some of the other people here that we're working with on that, I'm going to retain Freddy Kitchens, who's here, you know, former NFL coach, and, you know, he'll work with the offense and, you know, he's an important hire here. But the rest of the staff, I really haven't filled out yet. I'm going to try to, you know, get as much done on the recruiting here as I can. And, and, and then we'll move ahead with, you know, filling out the staff and so forth. But we got until Sunday to. To really this first phase of the portal to get that done. So big emphasis on that. And then we'll kind of turn to the coaching aspect of it, you know, as we get into next week.
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Pat McAfee
I love that. Got the front office hat on right now. Okay. We'll worry about the coach whenever we get there. We're going to be where our feet are. This portal, transfer portal being open right now with College Football Playoff, it's absurd. We hope that once your brain gets wrapped around the entire college football, you know, world that you will speak and say, hey, I got some ideas on how we can make this better. Because we're very much in a transition era for college Ball. Speaking of you transitioning back to college, you look joyful. Tone has a question for you.
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AJ Hawk
Sorry. Yes, Coach. Sorry. That's been my main takeaway. Takeaway watching you so far down at UNC is. You look happy. You look rejuvenated. Are you rejuvenated? Going from New England for so long, coaching pros for so long down to unc? Is there a rejuvenation of kind of your coaching philosophy?
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Bill Belichick
Yeah, absolutely. I'm excited, you know, to be part of the process and, you know, to start on all. All the newness of it, the spring ball, the schedule, the recruiting, and just interaction with the other sports, you know, with the lacrosse team here, with the basketball team. Went over and watched the basketball team work out yesterday, and they've had a lot of great players, obviously a great tradition with Carolina basketball. So just being part of the whole, you know, just being part of the whole community process here at Chapel Hill has been. It's been amazing. It's been great. And so I love it. I really enjoyed it.
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Pat McAfee
Coach, how many lacrosse players are going to be catching balls for the UNC Tar Heels this upcoming season?
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Bill Belichick
We have. We have two players on the team and a couple of baseball players. So I have a little negotiation there whether they're going to be in spring ball or be in baseball lacrosse. We'll work that out. You know, had a great opportunity to visit with all the other coaches here in the program, and, you know, honestly, it's a great group and it's. It's great to be a part of it and, you know, we'll all support each other and it'll all work out.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah, it sounds like, you know, your first words being beat. Duke, you know, really resonated well down there. And then obviously going to the game. And North Carolina fans that I know are, like, elated, ecstatic. They have no idea how this has happened. Then the only question was, is he going to recruit these guys? And then you saying. It was kind of my answer last week, like, I think Bill's going to be able to operate a little differently. Agents and players are like, excuse me, can we get into the NFL University down there? That's a real thing that's taking place already. Ty has a question for you.
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Boston Connor
Yeah, Coach. I saw a report recently that said, you know, the number one quarterback in the 2026 class, you know, based on one of these different recruiting services, but he had, you know, offers from the list of usual suspects. And then the news came out that you were going to go to North Carolina to Coach and he basically said, like, hey, listen, I'd be crazy not to consider North Carolina now with, you know, Coach Belichick there. Is that something you kind of expected when you took this job? That your resume and cachet would maybe A lot of these guys who, you know, had never considered North Carolina before now, it's kind of a whole new ball game, especially with the plan you laid out with it being basically a factory to the NFL.
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Bill Belichick
Yeah, you know what? I can't honestly say that I expected it. I'm not sure what my expectations were, but it's certainly exciting to see it happening. And again, we've got a lot of feedback from agents, high school coaches, you know, players entering into the portal of their interest in coming to Carolina and, and being part of the program. So, you know, we'll just do our due diligence and, and follow our process on that and, you know, things will work out for some and, and things won't work out for everybody, but it's, it's definitely, you know, exciting to get in on the process and, and be working through, you know, the recruitment of, of various student athletes to that are both here. Some kids that didn't come to Carolina either, they weren't recruited, or for whatever reason, they went to another school two, three years ago that now have an opportunity to come back home and return to their home state and play in front of their friends and family. And so, you know, we've had a lot of mutual interest with, with players like that to try to, you know, to bring them back to their home state. So, yeah, the whole process has really been, look, I've learned a lot, but, you know, you kind of jump in the pool here and start swimming and, you know, I feel like, you know, with Mike's guidance and a couple other people that, you know, are here working with us through this process that, you know, we're, we're getting. We're making progress. We're getting closer to shore.
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Pat McAfee
Okay, so keep swimming. Obviously, the pool is going to get deeper and that's where you want to be and you've always lived. Basically. I wondered how much is your relationship? Because we learned about IMG Academy through you. Like, that's how we, we learned about the IMG Academy and their success in the NFL draft. I think what last eight years they've had somebody drafted in top 15 of the NFL or something like that. They.
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Bill Belichick
Yeah, they'll have another one this year, too.
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Pat McAfee
Exactly. Okay, so there it is. How much does your relationship with the IMG Academy and other Academies, I assume, around the country at the high school level. How much did that affect your decision to want to get back into college as well? And. And how do you think those relationships are going to benefit the shit out of the UNC Tar Heels going forward?
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Bill Belichick
Yeah, well, again, it was really a big learning process for me. You know, in the National Football League, you say, okay, well, where do the. Where do the players come from? And you look at some of the great high school programs and, you know, and I'm very familiar with some of the ones on the East Coast. There are a lot of great ones out west as well. But, you know, whereas IMG, you know, St. Francis, Bergen Catholic, you know, right down the line and again, out west, there are a lot of, you know, St. Thomas Aquinas in Florida, a lot of great programs out west too. And so it's just been interesting to me to see. To watch those high school programs, to watch them play, play each other and then see those players, you know, move on. I want to say IMG has somewhere in the neighborhood of 90 players playing Division 1 football. It's been very, you know, it's been very interesting to. To follow, you know, kind of the progress where those guys are and how some of them have developed and obviously, you know, as you mentioned, a real string of them going into the NFL. So, you know, we've. And many other great high schools as well, we've had a chance to, you know, look at some of those players, and those players seem interested in us, so we'll just follow the process. But yeah, it's been really interesting now to put it all together. I spent so much time in the NFL and now, you know, the education of college and high school football and start talking about, you know, camps and things like that that are all part of the process, too, that, you know, now I'm more intimately involved in. It's. It's really been interesting, I guess, last.
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Pat McAfee
Year, from the stat we just saw online, 24 players in the NFL from IMG Academy. 24 of them. And how many did you say in D? 160 or 90.
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Bill Belichick
I think it's around 90. I'm not sure, but it's somewhere in that ballpark, actually.
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Pat McAfee
134, I think, is last year's number for D1 football. And somehow. All right, yeah, somehow this is what it. Just one article was right, where you're just. Obviously the Internet has so many different, you know, takes in this entire thing. These are all the guys that I am from IMG here. Bama Bama bama, bama, bama bama. This is from last year or this year?
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Bill Belichick
Yeah, these are the last year.
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Pat McAfee
So that's Saban, right? Saban also knew exactly where this thing was. 134 guys. Feels like a lot of them are going to be wearing Jordan Brand. Yeah, it feels like there's going to be a lot of Jordan Brand happening. And, Bill, I want to let you know, last week I spent a lot of time talking about you recruiting with a lot of people, you know, because you come on the show because we did the draft together, because I'm considered an NFL person. All the college football people that I know or like, how do you think Bill's gonna do? I'm like, well, Bill's not gonna half ass anything like, for. He's not gonna. He's gonna be very well researched. His team is obviously gonna be held to a standard. The way they're gonna operate. Like, I think he's gonna win. And everybody was like, well, how's he gonna recruit? How's he gonna recruit? How's he gonna recruit? You think he's gonna recruit? And it's like, I think it's gonna be a little different for him. I think it's gonna be a little. And I literally spent the entire week saying that to a lot of college football people. So to hear that it's all kind of happening the way that we thought it was, as you lose connection there, I think it's. It's a beautiful thing for those UNC people. Yeah, it is a beautiful thing for the Tar Heel people. Now, last question here. Not about college, actually about something vastly different. Go ahead, Connor.
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Bill Belichick
Can I just jump in there and say, why don't you come down and talk about it in person? How about if we do game day down here?
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Pat McAfee
See? And he already gets it. Yeah. And he already gets it. Yeah, Andy. Hey, we love that. And I would. I would be honored to go down there. Lombardi tells me it's the most beautiful place that he's ever been. And obviously he told us about you guys taking the off seasons down there when instead of watching film in Cleveland, we can't wait to get down there. Can't wait to get down there now. Completely different than that. And we saw some things in your contract that says anything is possible, but you say, I didn't come down here to leave. Connor has a question for you.
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Ty Schmidt
Yeah, Coach? As a Patriots fan, I know a lot of people in New England feel this way. A lot of us want to see you back in the NFL. Just because you are 15 wins away from being the all time leader for wins in the NFL. Was that ever something that you considered when, you know, taking the job at UNC that you were so close to breaking that record, or was that just completely out of your mind and you don't even think about that?
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Bill Belichick
You know what, Conor? I never really gave that, that one a lot of thought.
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Pat McAfee
To be.
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Bill Belichick
To be completely honest with you, it's. It's not about wins to me. It's about championships. And that's what I want to do, is I want to win championships. The wins are great and you got to win games to win championships. I mean, I get that, but to me it's about championships. And that's really what I'm most proud of, is not how many games we won, because it's hard to win in the NFL. I am proud of the games that we won and the teams that won those, but I'm proud of the championships that I was a member of and contributed to, and teams win championships. And I'm proud to be, you know, an eight time super bowl champion. Part of eight teams. And they weren't my teams. I was part of those teams. But that's really what means the most to me. And we look back on games that we won and, you know, proud of those moments, but it's when you can put together a full season and walk off the field as the best team at the end of the year, that's what really means the most to me. So however many wins that was, there wasn't 300 and whatever the number is, is great. And I don't. I'm not being disrespectful at all. What means the most to me is the eight super bowl trophies that, that I had a small part in. And I'm very proud to, to have been part of those teams.
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Pat McAfee
We love watching you contribute your tiny little part to that New England Patriots team. The end of the Giants. And since you have eight rings, get two more down there, unc.
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Boston Connor
Yeah.
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Pat McAfee
And just have all fingers rocking. So the next time you take that photo, the thumbs are in, you know, in the entirety. Good luck down there, Coach. We appreciate the hell out of you stopping by.
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Bill Belichick
All right, thanks, Pat. Always a pleasure. See you next week.
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Pat McAfee
Who we talking to? Yeah, absolutely. Who we talking to? We recruiting today or what's the rest of the day look like?
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Bill Belichick
Oh, yeah, you bet. Yes, sir. We got a lot of recruiting left today and all through the week, all the way till Sunday. We got a big week here.
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Pat McAfee
All Right. Well, good luck out there. Ladies and gentlemen, head coach of the UNC Tar Heels, Bill Belichick. AJ first takeaway from that conversation with coach.
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Gumpy
Honestly, Tone, what Tone was saying. He does seem to be like re energized or excited, anybody. Every time something is new and novel, I think it is kind of gives people energy, gets them excited, a freshness.
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Pat McAfee
There was a joy to him, you know, and his answers almost radiated. Yeah. And he said, this is like the couple of days after the draft whenever we got to convince undrafted free agents to take our 2,500 bucks instead of 2,500 bucks from somebody else. This is also like the free agency window and a couple days before the combine. So it's all those things in one so very much experience. But it's all happening at this moment. And him laying out how agents who used to rep NFL guys that we worked with on a very regular basis, remember he was general manager for the team. So he knows all these agents individually and personally have done business with a lot of these people before. He said. So a lot of them are reaching out. A lot of players, turns out their parents did go, hey, excuse me, that guy can get us to the NFL. We'll get in the transfer portal if he wants us there. And then also he said selling his program, which I think he had to do, that Bryce kid who's from North Carolina, I think he's five star guy. He's a massive get for Bill Belcher. They actually sent us an email talking about would we like to be a part of their announcement. But it was happening on a weekend, so we're not alive then. And I appreciate them giving us a potential opportunity. In the email, didn't tell us what they were doing, though.
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Boston Connor
Sure.
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Pat McAfee
Didn't say if they're going to recommit or decommit and then commit to North Carolina. It was kind of a question. But yeah, I think this was a massive part of Bill Belichick because in the email I read, I think it was a long conversation with Bill Belichick and his family. I think it was like laying out how everything would go. And Bill said, yeah, it's a lot of selling the program. I think him and Lombardi are getting in those living rooms.
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AJ Hawk
Oh, yeah.
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Pat McAfee
And that here's eight super. How do you win eight super? That's a good question. Let's lay this entire thing out. Imagine him competing against. No offense to any other. I don't want to say any names. I'm not going to say any names. We all just Thought him though any other name. Big time college football.
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Boston Connor
Yeah.
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Pat McAfee
Imagine him and Longbow heading into a living room and laying things out. And if that's a player that they want on their team, sounds like they will do that. And then going in there, I don't think they're leaving without him. Like, I don't think they're leaving without a commitment. And they talked about the money commitment that they wanted from down there. I think they're going to be able to kind of wheel and deal in the nil world as well. It's like it's going to work. Yeah, it's going to work down there. Which we should have expected. Which we did expect, I think from the beginning for sure.
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Boston Connor
But. And I want to say surprise, because that's not the right word. But for it to happen this quickly because I was thinking like some of these top guys, like a five star quarterback like that, we talk about how he's like building a football factory directly to the NFL, but then you talk about selling the program. It's like, well, if a kid's in that position, like Georgia has that exact same thing already set up, you know, like they have the football factory right into the NFL and they're probably ready to. Or you'd think before all this stuff happened, like they're going to compete for a national championship every year, some of these other SEC schools. But for Bill to get that like right away and you get these kids, like they understand, you know what it is. Like there's no reason that next year, you know, this upcoming football season, like they're not competing for a national title. And then it just. The steamroll starts.
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Pat McAfee
This Bryce gentleman is a four star quarterback.
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Boston Connor
Okay, but the, but the one I saw it was, it was the number one crossback in 2026 and he had. North Carolina was nowhere on his radar. And then Bill gets the job and they asked him about it and he was like, well, yeah, I'd be, I'd be crazy not to consider North Carolina.
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Pat McAfee
I guess I'll listen to what Bill Belichick has to say.
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Boston Connor
Exactly.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah, I guess.
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Darius Butler
Smart kid.
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Pat McAfee
I guess we'll listen. Hey, mom, dad, you think we should listen to what Bill Belichick has to say? Yeah. Hey, agent, you think we should listen to what Bill Belichick has to say? Yeah, we should do that. That's gonna happen whenever they want it. Yeah. And now I think it is. Now granted, you have to win. If it doesn't win, it'll be thrown out, of course. And this only lasts for so long. You know, the. The. The happiness, the joyful, the. Everything only lasts until, you know, the season starts and sees how it all goes. But when you're talking about them targeting guys and being like, hey, I think we think you would be good. Would you like to listen? They don't have to send out the fishing net that's so wide.
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Boston Connor
Exactly.
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Pat McAfee
I think they're hitting most of the pitches that they're throwing, so that's a. That's, you know, it's tough because they're gonna have to run into West Virginia at some point. Sure.
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Ty Schmidt
Hopefully not for their sake.
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Pat McAfee
Have you seen there's a lot of conversation around West Virginia, too, right now.
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Ty Schmidt
Ton.
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Gumpy
A lot of excitement, man.
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Darius Butler
Buzz Palpable made the right call.
- [99:30]
Pat McAfee
They do. Rightfully. Yes, they did.
- [99:32]
Gumpy
Now, granted, people stopping me around Ohio that are like, West Virginia either went to West Virginia or they've been big fans and they are juiced for Rich Rod, no joke.
- [99:39]
Pat McAfee
People buying season tickets. I'm getting texts from people that are like, haven't been a season ticket holder for the West Virginia mountaineer since probably 10, 15 years or whatever. Back all the way back getting season. Everybody's excited for what's possible. And I think that's because, like, Rich Rod's teams are going to work their asses off and they're going to be tough. And it's like just those two things alone are going to win games, let alone if he's able to get his talent in there. And now the way he's going to go about operating, like, he even said in his press conference, like, hey, you guys are going to know if you guys play hard, my guys are going to play their asses off. Like, that is what it's going to be every single night. It's like, West Virginia people are excited. West Virginia people are pumped. And I think players, you know, we put out a. I said, like, hey, if you're a dog out there that has good work ethic and want to find who the best version of yourself is, like, come to West Virginia. Like, this is the place for you. He's going to have to find his guys, but I think they're showing up. I think there's a lot I want to talk about. West Virginia royalty, obviously. Well, yeah, Chris Henry Jr. You know, who is Pac Man Jones has taken in Adam Pacman Jones, another West Virginia royal. He obviously is committed to Ohio State right now. What happens with Ohio State in the next couple weeks, maybe even this Saturday, when they take on a very tough Tennessee team when you talk about SEC teams being built to potentially go play in the freezing ass cold.
- [101:00]
Boston Connor
That's one of them.
- [101:01]
Pat McAfee
Tennessee's the team because they pound a rock. Everybody remembers Hypo is like wide open offense with hen and hooker. It ain't like it. Dylan Sampson and they run the ball and their defense thumps too now. Well, they still want to thump when it's as cold as it is. We shall see. But he's committed to Ohio State. It's like what happens with Ohio State and then if we got nil and obviously his dad, legend of West Virginia. It's like all of a sudden door opens back up for some people that are potentially never going to be Neil Brown's guys. You know, like Neil Brown, good guy. Hey, we love Neil Brown. Thank you for what you did to West Virginia. Don't think it was the right fit, but like you, you handed it with class. Didn't win a lot of games. Never won three straight games. Right? That was the.
- [101:41]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, that was the big thing.
- [101:42]
Pat McAfee
Never won three straight.
- [101:43]
Darius Butler
That's not.
- [101:44]
Pat McAfee
Never won three straight games.
- [101:46]
Gumpy
Really?
- [101:46]
Boston Connor
Yeah, I don't think straight.
- [101:48]
Darius Butler
Big 12 games.
- [101:48]
Boston Connor
Yeah, they've been conference games, but I think it may have just been.
- [101:50]
Pat McAfee
I think it's just three straight games in general.
- [101:53]
Ty Schmidt
Classy though.
- [101:55]
Pat McAfee
He was a good guy. He represented very well. But like the way he went about doing things was his way. And the people he recruited, the people he talked to, the way he went about doing his things his way. Rich Rod has a different way of viewing things and what, you know, like, hey, need hard asses around here. Need. We need a hard edge around. We need dogs walking around this building again. And it's like, I think he's going to be able to find them because I think there's a lot of people. Pennsylvania, Ohio, West Virginia, you can even dabble into a little bit of Jersey. There's a couple. And then Florida too. We, we. West Virginia used to have good pools. Pool from Florida. Great pool. Yeah, from Florida. It's like a lot of the guys that maybe Neil wouldn't have wanted or would have recruited. It's like Rich is like we're going right back into these recruiting holes that we were in 15, 20 years ago and let them know, like, hey, we want your boy and we want your hard ass son. Blue collar kid. Like, that's who we want in here. So I'm excited for it and I think those guys are going to show up.
- [102:52]
Boston Connor
He said in his first press conference with the teams, like, I'm not gonna Lie to you. This is probably going to be the hardest thing you're ever going to do in your life. So just like setting the tone right away for those kids, you know, like, he's not making any bones about it.
- [103:03]
Pat McAfee
Those kids, I saw him, they're at their bowl game, smiling, laughing on the play, having a good time. I'm like, boys, yeah, get it all.
- [103:11]
Ty Schmidt
Enjoy that now.
- [103:13]
Pat McAfee
Get it all in.
- [103:14]
Darius Butler
That's good for you though, at that age.
- [103:15]
Pat McAfee
Absolutely.
- [103:16]
Darius Butler
That's the biggest thing with, with Bill, with Rich Rod, with, you know, Coach PR's been able to do out in Colorado. Like the kids, you got to be willing to go up there and like, it's gonna be tough, like winter workouts, training camp, like that shit sucks. But when you run out that tunnel on Saturday, like you got, you know, you got a chance, you know, you prepared to kick ass. And then with having to re recruit your own group of guys every year that's a different challenge in this day and age. But you know, hopefully these guys are still cut out for it. But it's really the biggest wild card of these 17, you know, 21 year olds who got to make that decision every year to come in. Okay, maybe I'm not getting the playing time I want, maybe I'm not getting the nil I want, maybe I'm not getting this or that, but I still got to come out here and bust my ass and basically wait your turn and take advantage of that. But these guys obviously, and I was right in the middle of that, that first Rich Rod run and then Bill going, and why are you looking like that?
- [104:06]
Pat McAfee
You are right, right, right in the. Remember we lost that one game so we're not allowed to talk about it. Like I finally got to the point where I'm fed up with it because I said it on the show. Well, in front of all those people and they were giving me a lot of love. But it's like we, we were in a game to go to the national championship.
- [104:22]
Darius Butler
Yeah.
- [104:22]
Pat McAfee
West Virginia has not been there for a long time and we're not even allowed, we weren't even allowed to like celebrate it. Like the guys, you know, and I'm sure West Virginia is not as big as other places would be when it comes to this thing, especially like in Ohio State or somewhere else like that. Like, guys didn't even get to like really come back, sign autographs, do meet and greets, do like, because it was just like, see ya, we're moving on. We're no longer in the Big East. We're in the Big 12, get the hell out. Like, it's a whole new, basically era. So I think that type of energy from all the boys that were on that team is cool to feel and experience, too. Like, a lot of text messages, a lot of conversations being like, hey, what game? We're going first game. We're all back. Like, that is kind of. It feels like a homecoming, a renewed. And it's not just the players that felt this way. On Friday, I got a chance to see a lot of people that were like, facilities managers, whether it's like janitors or green keepers or like, all the shit that goes into a building. Like, a lot of those people, like, obviously they're older because it's a lot older time now since I was in college. But a lot of. I don't want to say they were kind of shoot out, but they kind of, like, either retired or just kind of got away because the way it was, they were all back. Like, everybody, like, felt welcomed back almost because Rod was back, and it's like him opening the door to all the other coaches. Two teams being like, hey, anybody that played here, we want you back is cool. I think that helps our team immediately as well. And I'm very excited for West Virginia. Yeah. Very, very, very excited.
- [105:44]
Ty Schmidt
Well, that's what was awesome, too. You just mentioned it was Rich Rob being like, hey, if you played for any of the coaches that were before me, that were after me, like, you need to come back here and be a part of this. Because, you know, you've mentioned it. It did happen. Where once that season was over, it was kind of like, all right, we're kind of deleting that Peyton over the walls, if you will, of those eras. And now for Richard to be back and bringing that back, it's awesome for West Virginia.
- [106:06]
Pat McAfee
I am. I'm pumped. Yeah. What if we won? I saw Scott Van Pelt and Stanford Steve talking about it.
- [106:16]
Darius Butler
Yeah.
- [106:16]
Pat McAfee
And I think they mentioned one time, like, you know, these West Virginia people, like, through thicken, they're there. You know, they are a rowdy bunch. And then I saw somebody, quote, tweet that video that got posted from the Scott Van Pelt pod, or maybe Scott Van Pod. Svod.
- [106:29]
Boston Connor
SV pod.
- [106:30]
Pat McAfee
SV pod. And put it out there and go, the football gods won't let West Virginia win anything big because they know how we'll act. And it's like, that was a funny statement, but it is very much like West Virginia people work their asses off and they like to have a good time. Like, that is just. I think those are good traits, not bad traits. And I think Rich Rod's teams represent that entirely. When you have that type of synergy with a state in a program, it's a beautiful thing. Can't wait to watch it. All right, let's get back to the NFL tonight. Bears, Vikings, Falcons, Raiders. This Vikings team has a real chance. They have a real chance, potentially get home field advantage throughout the playoffs. Nobody's been talking about them, obviously, because in the NFC north, the Detroit Lions have been the story. Holy hell, this Lions team, what a juggernaut. J. Rick Goff, Jared Goff, Jerry Goff. Did JJ Getting those chants started on the CBS program? I looked for it and I didn't find any.
- [107:23]
Darius Butler
Oh, no.
- [107:24]
Pat McAfee
But I might have missed it because there was a lot going on. Okay. Maybe the Lions fan said, we don't have time to do TV shows. We got a massive game against the Buffalo. I saw a lot of fans back there, but yeah, I don't know if Buffalo fans or were they Detroit fans? Yeah, when I turned it on, I think was at halftime or. Right. Maybe it was. Yeah, halftime of the first games because they were doing the whole thing. Yeah, I saw a lot of Bills fans, Buffalonians. Yeah. Like Sal and the team were out there in the entirety. But the Lions have kind of taken up all the conversation of the NFC North. Obviously, NFC north is loaded, a lot of good teams, yada, yada, yada. But it's a Lions, Lions, Lions. It's like now the Vikings sit in a position where they can go get them age and so can the Packers. This is wide open all of a sudden, and the Vikings are in a great spot age.
- [108:10]
Gumpy
What a division. I mean, weren't we just talking a week ago how the Vikings aren't going to. They're not going to go move forward with Sam Darnold. Like, if he, if he takes him on a deep playoff run, what do they do? It's a great problem to have, I guess, but I mean, Sam Darnold is. He's on fire right now. I think KOC needs to be talked about a little bit more on his head coaching gig. And no matter what they do, whatever they throw at him, the injuries at the quarterback position, he seems to find a way to get it done and still win games.
- [108:33]
Pat McAfee
We love their defense, too. Right, D. Buzzy in Minnesota, Absolutely.
- [108:36]
Darius Butler
Leading the league. I know coming into this week, interceptions, they always get it done. They always turn the ball over whenever you have an explosive offense, like they have extra possessions Always help. So Justin Jefferson, one of the best receivers in the National Football League. Addison probably one of the best number twos and then TJ Hocks and been healthy again. The old line, obviously they had to replace Darasol. But when Darnold, even when he doesn't have a clean pocket like he's been accurate, he stepped up in the pocket, he's made great throws. He's kind of on a heater right now. So if he continues that run to AJ's point, what do you do? I'm always of the mind of hey, if I have a pro who's been here before he was drafted high, he's kind of proven himself. That's the guy I'm going to keep in the building. Even though we drafted J.J. mcCarthy High because we know that's pretty much a crap shoot in that draft. I will stick with Sam Darnold. But to, to AJ's point as well, when you have KOC in there, you probably have that confidence that hey, he can get, he can get JJ McCarthy playing at a high level too. But yeah, I love what Sam Darnold and his Brian Flores defense is doing.
- [109:33]
Pat McAfee
APM on abc. It's a doubleheader. They're taking on the Bears and NFC north rivalry matchup. Last time we saw the Bears they just got their asses beat by the Niners. Correct?
- [109:41]
AJ Hawk
Yes.
- [109:42]
Pat McAfee
Remember we were wondering are the Niners back or the Bears bad? And I think the sentiment is actually the Bears are bad. But we shall see. We shall see. Seven point favorites are the Vikings at home. That place is going to be bananas in a white out. Oh yeah, yeah, they're doing a white out. They're wearing the all white unis.
- [110:02]
Ty Schmidt
These might be some of the coolest helmets you've ever seen in your entire life. How about these things?
- [110:08]
Pat McAfee
Wow.
- [110:10]
Ty Schmidt
Jerseys, pants. I bet the cleats might even be white too on some people.
- [110:15]
Pat McAfee
Wow. White out on Monday Night Football. Yeah, in their jerseys, buddy. Look just like this.
- [110:23]
Darius Butler
Those are clean.
- [110:24]
Gumpy
Those are sweet. Okay.
- [110:25]
Pat McAfee
I like the gray, you know on top of the white but it's a light gray so you can still see. And then boom. When they try to win me over. Certainly. Will it work? Definitely.
- [110:35]
AJ Hawk
What's that caller say?
- [110:36]
Pat McAfee
Keep an eye on the Vikings skull. Vikings says in there obviously to be reminisce but we're excited for the atmosphere there cuz they're going to blow that big ass. Boom, boom.
- [110:57]
Gumpy
They better, they better not let the Bears in the game age.
- [111:01]
Ty Schmidt
What do you say?
- [111:01]
Pat McAfee
Look at this. Packers no no, I'm just saying, like.
- [111:04]
Gumpy
They know, let's keep this momentum going. We don't want to drop. It's a trap game.
- [111:09]
Boston Connor
I said it out there. I said, I don't know why. This Vikings team is very good.
- [111:12]
Pat McAfee
They are.
- [111:13]
Boston Connor
And I don't think anyone expected them to be this good, but I just got this weird feeling the Bears might get him tonight.
- [111:19]
Pat McAfee
I don't know. Hat on and a bagger. I don't know know why.
- [111:22]
Bill Belichick
I don't know why I feel that way.
- [111:23]
Pat McAfee
Non biased journalism. And then we got a minute and a half before we end here on ESPN on 8:30. At 8:30 on ESPN, we have the Falcons and the Raiders, Falcons favored by six and a half going into Las Vegas. Schefter in the last hour basically said, you know, Mark Davis could have came out and said he's not firing Antonio Pierce. He said that they'll both be judged independently, both Pierce and Tom Tesco at the end of the season. So. Oh, you take that for however you want to take it, is what she said. Desmond Ritter getting the start for the Raiders taking on a Kirk Cousins led Falcons. Kirk obviously has had a rough month. Does he bounce back tonight, do you think? AJ yeah.
- [112:02]
Gumpy
He has no question or no other option but to bounce back or I think they're going to have to figure things out over there.
- [112:07]
Pat McAfee
I will not be watching this one.
- [112:11]
Gumpy
Is Dano doing it?
- [112:12]
Pat McAfee
I did not know that. I saw him in a hotel. I should have known.
- [112:15]
Boston Connor
They should play this one at first. 4:30 Eastern, maybe.
- [112:19]
Pat McAfee
Maybe like playing SL 5 Eastern, 5 Eastern. I don't know if Mo's going to hit the field at all. Great footwork.
- [112:27]
Ty Schmidt
I mean, not like Lisa.
- [112:28]
Darius Butler
Yeah, Lisa.
- [112:29]
Ty Schmidt
Lisa was moving.
- [112:30]
Pat McAfee
Lisa was a real deal.
- [112:31]
Boston Connor
Ralph Wiggum had a little toe tap touchdown too.
- [112:34]
Pat McAfee
I haven't seen any numbers on that huge great giant.
- [112:38]
Ty Schmidt
They're still counting.
- [112:38]
Pat McAfee
Like, that's right.
- [112:39]
AJ Hawk
14, 15.
- [112:40]
Pat McAfee
Some states too, still. All right, hour three will continue on YouTube, ESPN plus Disney plus in TikTok live. Somebody needs to buy it. No, I think it's about disappear. We try to be ahead of the curve and let people know, but all of a sudden, time is closing. We'll see you tomorrow. Goodbye. TikTok's about disappear.
- [113:01]
Ty Schmidt
Oh, yeah.
- [113:02]
Gumpy
Is it real? Like for real?
- [113:03]
Darius Butler
No chance.
- [113:03]
Pat McAfee
Allegedly.
- [113:04]
Gumpy
No way.
- [113:05]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [113:05]
Pat McAfee
You've been saying you've been one of the problems.
- [113:07]
Boston Connor
Yeah, me.
- [113:07]
Pat McAfee
You've been a part of the problem. No. Yeah, because I've been saying, hey, somebody needs buy tick tock. And then everybody Says that's not gonna happen. That's not gonna.
- [113:15]
Ty Schmidt
That's boom.
- [113:16]
Darius Butler
I'm right there. So it's too big.
- [113:17]
Pat McAfee
Two weeks out. I don't know how. How quick.
- [113:19]
Ty Schmidt
Says who. I hope we figure it out, because if we don't, we're gonna have to take Talk out back and shoot him in the head.
- [113:25]
Darius Butler
No, we don't want.
- [113:26]
Bill Belichick
He does make a valid point there.
- [113:28]
Pat McAfee
I didn't know Divas was a communist sympathizer as well. What's going on here? Listen, Talk's not dying, all right? Talk is not. If Talk goes.
- [113:36]
Bill Belichick
If Tick Tock goes down, talk goes down.
- [113:38]
Pat McAfee
I don't know about. I don't know about what he just.
- [113:41]
Darius Butler
Said about D, but I love America. All right, all right.
- [113:43]
AJ Hawk
But we have to execute Talk.
- [113:45]
Pat McAfee
No, Talk will get a new job. More than talks, boys. Yeah, it's not gonna be called reels.
- [113:50]
AJ Hawk
Yeah.
- [113:55]
Pat McAfee
Machine doesn't stop working, we can find something it would be cool to.
- [113:59]
AJ Hawk
Actually executed right here.
- [114:05]
Pat McAfee
No.
- [114:05]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, we could blame it on them.
- [114:07]
Pat McAfee
No. No Talk dying because somebody won't buy Tick Tock rules.
- [114:13]
Darius Butler
That's why these drones been circling, trying to listen.
- [114:15]
Pat McAfee
I learned a lot about these potential theories around the drones. And I'll tell you what didn't love getting on a plane, flying over for Saturday night main event.
- [114:22]
Boston Connor
Bingo.
- [114:22]
Pat McAfee
They're talking about some really big boom.
- [114:25]
Boston Connor
Yeah.
- [114:25]
Pat McAfee
Potentially. Yeah. And then if it's not that, what is it then? Oh, well, it's something that we don't know. Okay. Don't worry.
- [114:31]
AJ Hawk
Very choppy into that place.
- [114:33]
Darius Butler
Yeah. My plane last night. No WI fi.
- [114:35]
Boston Connor
What?
- [114:36]
AJ Hawk
Oh, there has been WI fi issues.
- [114:38]
Darius Butler
You know why they didn't just know? Why?
- [114:40]
Pat McAfee
Because there's going on everywhere. They got videos everywhere happening, and it's like, what's real? What's not real? What are these things? Well, the people that will tell us, they're not saying. And then will they tell the truth? Truth? We don't know. Probably not. I assume they will. We assume they will. We assume they will tell the truth. These people all tell the truth all the time. You know, through big events, too. We've been told the truth, and. And certainly that is how it's gone.
- [115:01]
Gumpy
What if they don't want to scare you? What if they don't want to scare me?
- [115:03]
Boston Connor
Well, that's good.
- [115:05]
Pat McAfee
What?
- [115:05]
Boston Connor
They came up too far.
- [115:06]
Pat McAfee
We. Hey, hate to break it to him, we're already there. All of it scared.
- [115:11]
Ty Schmidt
Terrifying.
- [115:12]
Boston Connor
They tried to comfort everyone by saying, don't worry, these things are just looking for nukes. That probably are already in that you.
- [115:17]
Pat McAfee
They did not say that.
- [115:19]
AJ Hawk
Some people are saying that dirty b.
- [115:22]
Pat McAfee
Some people are saying that they're sniffing around. I didn't even think about that until I saw an expert who makes these things going, hey, I don't want to be the bearer of bad news here, but there's only a couple things at night. Can't see, but they can sense some stuff. They're flying low. Radio, magnetic wave, maybe.
- [115:38]
AJ Hawk
I watched all 10 minutes of that video. I never watched 10 minutes, 952.
- [115:41]
Pat McAfee
The guy didn't change the. The vantage point one time, though.
- [115:44]
AJ Hawk
He didn't need to.
- [115:45]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, well, he showed it one time. He said, this is my. Right here.
- [115:47]
Ty Schmidt
Okay.
- [115:48]
Pat McAfee
All right. Now back to the story.
- [115:49]
AJ Hawk
I was doubted.
- [115:50]
Pat McAfee
I had hands on it.
- [115:51]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah. Talked to a guy who had hands on the missing nukes.
- [115:54]
Pat McAfee
We know too much, but then we don't know what's.
- [115:56]
AJ Hawk
We need.
- [115:56]
Boston Connor
Jason Bourne.
- [115:57]
Pat McAfee
We do all the time. Yeah, most definitely right now.
- [116:00]
Ty Schmidt
Don't worry, we have him. He's out there looking.
- [116:05]
Pat McAfee
Thank you, Jason Bourne. Anyways, football's happening tonight. Let's never forget it. But hopping on that bird to head to Long island with just got.
- [116:14]
Gumpy
Just got eyes peeled, I'm guessing.
- [116:16]
Pat McAfee
Yes, definitely. Yeah, definitely. Eyes peeled. Hold. You know, one of those. And you see a plane flying by the other way. It's always fun when you see somebody else in the sky. Like a plane flying there. Like, did that thing just decide to look like a plane at this point?
- [116:29]
Boston Connor
Wait a minute.
- [116:29]
Pat McAfee
Or is that. What is that? You know, you see a light when you're flying at night and it's like, who knows? What was that? Who knows what that thing is? But literally, as we're getting on a plane after watching that 952 and then scrolling underneath that with other people who are experts saying. And then you see the. The gray or white check mark behind, like government officials saying things. It's like, I'm flying towards this thing right now.
- [116:50]
Boston Connor
Into the eye of the storm.
- [116:51]
Pat McAfee
Okay, sweet. Let's go in there. But then I remembered the American nightmare. Cody Rhodes. True will fight them all.
- [116:58]
AJ Hawk
Is he all right?
- [116:59]
Darius Butler
Yeah. Is he okay?
- [117:01]
Pat McAfee
That was. That was very uncomfortable wool. Very much so. The. The pile driver, first of all, banned because of how many injuries have taken place.
- [117:11]
Gumpy
Scary.
- [117:12]
Pat McAfee
Look.
- [117:12]
Gumpy
It's scary looking situation.
- [117:14]
Pat McAfee
Scary. I mean, that's right. And so Biggie, when he got flipped and landed on his head, it was literally like two feet in front of me. Still have like flashbacks to it because of how Uncomfortable. It was when it happened. He broke his neck. He is still yet to get cleared, or maybe he is cleared, but I don't think he's gotten cleared to get back in. But he's cleared to be around the action again. Even though New Day said we don't.
- [117:37]
Boston Connor
Yeah.
- [117:38]
Pat McAfee
Whoa. That's a couple years. But I watched it happen. It was uncomfortable. Same shit. As you see a guy crumpled up, land on his head. That's just like a very, very. Because remember where I'm sitting, I'm sitting right, like 3:00 from this camera. So that's right down the pike. Oh. I mean, that is. It's a scary. That's just everything you're. You hear you're not supposed to. Yeah. And he's out. And then they didn't die. Bingo. That's what I'm saying. Then Kevin Owens stands on him after he gets strapped to a. A board to get him out of there, and then he's in an ambulance. They went to a hospital. They said it was. That was a wild. That was a wild ending. That was. That was after the show went off air. So Cole and I fully talking to the body.
- [118:20]
Boston Connor
Body. Right.
- [118:21]
Pat McAfee
What an honor. I'm talking to the body. Trying to let things, like, kind of all settle down before we make our way out of there. Because don't want to be a distraction or get in the way of anything, while also, you know, respect. And then all of a sudden, all hell breaks loose because Kevin Owens flips the switch and goes crazy. And it's like. Well, I was literally just. I was perplexed. Yeah. Is what I would say. And so is Jesse. Jesse and I were just sitting there like, what the. And then Jesse, should we get in there? You know? And then obviously, there's that thought. And then Michael Awa is chaos there.
- [118:50]
AJ Hawk
Can they kick KO out of the league?
- [118:51]
Boston Connor
Well, you saw Triple H, gave him.
- [118:52]
Pat McAfee
A. Yeah, I saw that. Yeah. I don't. Yeah. I think you can get kicked out. Throughout the history of wrestling, people have Just get him out of it.
- [119:01]
AJ Hawk
He should have been gone a long.
- [119:02]
Pat McAfee
Time ago, but the Winged Eagle title is like. He took it out of there, too. Was kissing. I mean, it was just good, though.
- [119:09]
Darius Butler
He's gonna yoke. How'd it feel? Been back in there.
- [119:12]
Pat McAfee
It was awesome. I didn't see this debut. I didn't see this.
- [119:17]
Gumpy
Man.
- [119:17]
Pat McAfee
I've received one of these pushes. I've received one of these pushes. Not this one. Right, right. This last. There.
- [119:25]
Boston Connor
Yeah.
- [119:25]
Pat McAfee
I received one of those pushes before at nxt. Remember? That's right. When I kicked Adam's head off of his body.
- [119:31]
Darius Butler
That's right.
- [119:32]
Pat McAfee
And he put Triple H. Still got it.
- [119:35]
Boston Connor
Oh, yeah.
- [119:35]
AJ Hawk
Should have pedigreed him.
- [119:36]
Pat McAfee
Kevin Owens really dancing with something there to get into triple. Triple H's face. Yeah, that's one of those ones. I think you just kind of. But Kevin Owens, obviously dirtbag. Flip the switch. He doesn't give a fuck. It was uncomfortable. Other than that uncomfortable ending, it was awesome. I was so lucky and thankful to be back. The fact that they even asked me to do it because I thought we were doing Army Navy college game day and then found out a few weeks back not doing it. And would like to let everybody know at Army Navy, that decision was made above anybody that's on air, you know. And there's like, I don't know how many game days going forward for the playoffs, but somehow, some way, it ended up not happening. None of us were happy. Like, nobody was really happy about it. I was bummed because, I mean, a good celebration of America is a good time. Especially this year with everything that's happened, it's like, america, Army, Navy, like, here we go. So didn't get to do that. So then whenever Saturday night's main event happens, be on same weekend there conversations took place. I'm like, would you wanna. Would you wanna do that? I'm like, I'm honored that you even asked me to come back. So thankful for that. And getting a chance to work with Cole again. Getting a chance to come out. Big Stu on the camera right there, almost ran right into him, you know? Almost ran right into him. I normally talk shit to Stu. Stu's the same guy that Cena talks to when he comes out. Stu's been there for like 30 years. The camera people have been there long time. They have created the company that you're watching. The people that put the rings together, the people that are working on side stage, the production crew, they've been there a long time. These people are the backbone, literally of the wwe. So getting a chance to see all them again, getting a chance to obviously see Cole again, getting like, their ears audio like those guys. There's like a crew of four people that are in that department. Good to see them again and to get a chance to feel the WWE Universe and experience WWE again was awesome. I had so much fun. And then Jesse to Body Ventura. I love him.
- [121:23]
AJ Hawk
He's awesome.
- [121:25]
Pat McAfee
He was great, man. I love. Literally, I enjoyed him. His cadence, obviously, one that if he worked more with him I think he'd be able to catch on a little bit. I. I almost stepped on him a couple times. But then if you listen to what he's saying, it's like, home run. Yeah, home run. It was great to see him couple times.
- [121:41]
Gumpy
What's he. What's he waiting for? Tell him, stop taking your time. Like when he had somebody hurt, that was my favorite.
- [121:47]
Pat McAfee
He was pissed a few times that Cody and Kevin weren't doing things that he expected or wanted or what he would do there. And then whenever we talked about the chair just so happening to be somewhere, he goes, I'm the body. Nothing just happens to be anywhere. And it's like, what a great answer. Like, that is such a good. I had so much fun watching him work. Obviously. Joe Tessitore all bow tied up great. All the superstars that went in there and put on a phenomenal set of fights. Great. Congrats to the inaugural women's United States Champion, Chelsea Green. Congrats to Guenther. Yeah.
- [122:23]
AJ Hawk
Dominating, chopping the shit.
- [122:25]
Pat McAfee
Two old Judgment Day members. And Damian Priest, who he like knocked off the stairs. Had to repower him. Boom. Then to. I mean, just what a win. Dominating fashion by Gunter Liv gets another win after getting kneed right in the face. Right after she was bleeding all over herself. Drew McIntyre is a problem.
- [122:46]
Boston Connor
He is. What's going on with him.
- [122:47]
Pat McAfee
Drew McIntyre is a real, real problem. Yeah, it was fun, man. I. I loved it. I really did. I loved it.
- [122:56]
Darius Butler
Jackie was sweet too.
- [122:57]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. How about David Allen putting that together?
- [122:59]
Ty Schmidt
Good luck.
- [123:00]
Pat McAfee
That was like a couple week thing. David Allen, like maybe 13 days piece that whole thing together. The shirt, you know, from my last dimensions fitting to where I am now at this point of the season.
- [123:13]
AJ Hawk
Sure.
- [123:13]
Pat McAfee
The shirt he sent with the thing was never going to fit. And I think he had the audible, so just went with a tank top, you know, just one standard tank top. It was a blast. Congrats to Michael Cole continuing to be the greatest of all time. And if you heard the audio leak from the commercial break, there's a little inside wrestling on how me and Cole operate and how Jesse the body and Ventura operates. And then also why Michael Cole is the greatest of all time. Just like while we're at break, nobody can hear us. Michael Cole is always like, hey, remember this? Think of this, he's like a quarterback out there. And it's like for me, I need it. I love it, I appreciate it. And that whole place is the best. They're the fucking best company to work.
- [123:53]
Boston Connor
With that show Was awesome. It was.
- [123:55]
Pat McAfee
First hour was like, that flew by. I like looked up at the time and I was like, damn, we only got an hour left. I didn't know. I don't think I knew fully what I was signing up for. Sure. I did not know it was two hours. I did not know there was going to be commercial breaks, you know, because. But it was tv. That's why. It was a primetime special. Yeah, that's different than a ple. But it was non stop. I mean it was.
- [124:14]
Boston Connor
And it felt like, I mean it felt like a pay per view.
- [124:17]
Pat McAfee
It did Energy buzz.
- [124:19]
Boston Connor
Yeah, all of it. It was, it was awesome.
- [124:20]
Pat McAfee
Long guy in crowd active. Yeah, Very, very active, which is cool. Two hour show too.
- [124:27]
AJ Hawk
So it's nice.
- [124:28]
Pat McAfee
The action, the activity of the crowd is literally the whole time, right? Yeah, it was, it was so cool, dude getting back in there, then he forget. Then you see Cody get dumped on his head and it's like, oh my God, I'm so uncomfortable. Right. Like that was, that was very, very uncomfortable. So thank you to the wwe. Thank you boys for watching. Congrats to Travis Hunter winning the Heisman.
- [124:47]
Darius Butler
Great speech. That was a good speech.
- [124:50]
Pat McAfee
Congrats to Travis and you know there's a lot of haters and obviously it's closest voting since 2009, I believe between he and Ashton Genti. And Ashton Genti, absolute dog. Listen, I am not going to say anything negative about Ashton Genti but I will say like this is a once in a lifetime type of situation. So people are saying the defense isn't even ranked in top five. I saw a bunch of stats against Travis Hunter. It's like it's not about the whole defense. It's about what one human's doing and if it's outstanding or not and more outstanding. Everybody else averaging 120 plays a game and being full time on both sides, being prolific on both sides for a team that was supposed to win what, five games and a point in 10 or whatever the case is, flipping a whole school. Like when he went there, him and Shador and Prime, flipping an entire culture, like that's outstanding. Like that is warranted, warrants being celebrated. So I'm happy that took place. If Ashton would have won, would have completely understood. And to Ashton, I understand you're once every decade, once every two decades what you've been able to do as a ball carrier and thank you for everything you did this season. But it's like Travis, that's, that's a once in a long, long, long, long Long time type athlete. And I think a lot of people in the Heisman house are thankful that he's being celebrated for it.
- [126:06]
Darius Butler
Yeah. Both very, very everybody that was there, very, very deserving. But like you said, Travis Hunter, that's just something, something you have never seen. Probably won't see it again. I think Charles Woodson kind of spoke on it as well. Then they just see him like his whole path going to Jackson State, out of there, then following coach prime to, to Colorado. Cam Newton being there, being back, he been on Cam Newton seven on seven team. So all those guys that have been around him that for that whole run from the win, that, that Heisman, that was, that was dope to see. And I thought the speech was great. I thought the fits were great from all four of them. I thought he did a great job the whole night.
- [126:37]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Congrats to all the finalists. Obviously, if you're in New York, you've had a hell of a year and so have your teams. All right, let's get to a break. On the other side, we'll make our picks. We'll wrap up any storyline we didn't chat about. Travis signed with Adidas too, so it was like a fumble of Nike. But congrats to Adidas getting Travis Hunter going forward. Can't wait to see what he does at the next level. They got a bowl game, though. They're playing it.
- [126:58]
Darius Butler
Yep.
- [126:59]
Gumpy
Good for them.
- [127:00]
Pat McAfee
Hell yeah. Good for them.
- [127:01]
Darius Butler
I think Cam Ward's planning his too, right?
- [127:03]
Pat McAfee
Hell yeah.
- [127:04]
Bill Belichick
Pop Tart bowl.
- [127:05]
Darius Butler
Love that.
- [127:06]
Pat McAfee
That's a good one.
- [127:07]
Boston Connor
That is a good bowl.
- [127:07]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. What's a laugh for back there? Somebody was laughing as if the Pop Tart bowl isn't special.
- [127:12]
Bill Belichick
What is that about? They put a new trophy with a toaster.
- [127:15]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [127:15]
Ty Schmidt
Pop Tartar bowl is in the trophy.
- [127:17]
Pat McAfee
Pop Tart bowl. A lot of relevance in the world that we're in. You win it, it's going to get celebrated because everybody loves a great Pop Tart. The movie about the development of the population. Pop Tart. Worth a watch, too.
- [127:28]
Boston Connor
Jerry.
- [127:30]
Gumpy
Jerry Seinfeld.
- [127:31]
Pat McAfee
Is that the movie?
- [127:31]
Boston Connor
I think so.
- [127:32]
Pat McAfee
Worth a watch. Everybody dumped on it. Oh. Just view it as like a historical lesson while you're watching.
- [127:37]
Ty Schmidt
Like a doc.
- [127:37]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Like a documentary with Jerry. Avengers. Everyone got together to make this Pop Tart and then one person hopped in another person's dumpster. And I mean, there's a whole. There's a lot of.
- [127:49]
Gumpy
It's a comedy. It's a comedy, right?
- [127:51]
Pat McAfee
Comedy doctor. It tells a story that needs to Be told.
- [127:55]
Gumpy
Okay.
- [127:55]
Pat McAfee
Tell a story that needs to be told. Especially if you're like me and love pop Tarts. There's people that like the non frosted.
- [128:02]
Darius Butler
That's me. Strawberry non frosted.
- [128:04]
Pat McAfee
Okay.
- [128:04]
Gumpy
Non frosted.
- [128:05]
Pat McAfee
I told you. This guy.
- [128:06]
Ty Schmidt
Bit of a whack psychopath.
- [128:08]
Darius Butler
What's your favorite one?
- [128:09]
AJ Hawk
What do you mean?
- [128:10]
Pat McAfee
I do the s'more one. I'm on the s'more one right now.
- [128:12]
Darius Butler
Okay.
- [128:13]
Pat McAfee
I like the s'more one. Brown sugar cinnamon. Always a win. I'm not just a standard strawberry one though, though. I. I don't. I don't really mess with that.
- [128:20]
Gumpy
The strawberry with the sprinkles and the.
- [128:22]
Pat McAfee
Icing are strawberry frosted. I mean, I will eat it, certainly. And we're splitting these in half and eating from the middle. Right. We got two slices of this thing. We're not eating from the top.
- [128:30]
Darius Butler
Depends.
- [128:30]
Pat McAfee
Okay.
- [128:31]
Darius Butler
I mean I toast it for about, you know, light, lightly toasted and then.
- [128:35]
Pat McAfee
You cracker in half.
- [128:36]
Darius Butler
It depends. Depends on the mood.
- [128:38]
Pat McAfee
We might go from a corner.
- [128:39]
Darius Butler
Might go from the corner.
- [128:40]
Pat McAfee
Really?
- [128:41]
AJ Hawk
Yeah.
- [128:42]
Pat McAfee
Crust first into the pizza.
- [128:44]
Darius Butler
Oh, I'm a crust guy.
- [128:45]
Pat McAfee
I break off the end pieces and give them to my dog.
- [128:48]
Gumpy
There you go. There you go.
- [128:49]
Pat McAfee
He's talking to you.
- [128:50]
AJ Hawk
You're still eating pop Tarts?
- [128:51]
Pat McAfee
Oh, absolutely. I had a s'more pop tart last night. So good. I mean, healthy though.
- [128:56]
AJ Hawk
From now on, am I the only chocolate fudge guy?
- [128:58]
Pat McAfee
I like chocolate fudge.
- [129:00]
Ty Schmidt
Delicious.
- [129:00]
Pat McAfee
I'll go with the chocolate fudge one once again. S'mores though. Is the one that's winning. That bad one? I put those both in the same similar basket. S'mores.
- [129:07]
AJ Hawk
I could eat like for a few days in a row and then I need a breakup cuz they get a little too sweet for me.
- [129:11]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I can understand that. I understand. I'm eating healthy. Once I. That shirt didn't fit at all.
- [129:15]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, I was a guy. Non frosted is kind of psycho.
- [129:17]
Boston Connor
Almost very.
- [129:18]
Darius Butler
I'm the only non frosted guy in this building.
- [129:20]
Pat McAfee
In the world.
- [129:20]
Darius Butler
No way.
- [129:21]
Boston Connor
Only person I've ever met who like.
- [129:24]
AJ Hawk
I had to google it. I didn't know that existed.
- [129:26]
Darius Butler
Shut the up.
- [129:28]
Pat McAfee
Is that a non frosted Pop tarts?
- [129:31]
AJ Hawk
I didn't know that existed.
- [129:32]
Pat McAfee
You might have been the person to introduce me to these things. Even existing, to be honest now. China butts. No. Communist, but oh, no.
- [129:40]
Ty Schmidt
Commie tarts.
- [129:43]
Pat McAfee
They're so good though. They're so good. Getting in shape though. We're not eating those anymore. Yep. Start tomorrow. So starting today. Today. I didn't eat anything yet today.
- [129:50]
Boston Connor
No, you haven't.
- [129:51]
Pat McAfee
You know why? Cuz I ate so much yesterday. Cuz I was planning on today.
- [129:54]
Boston Connor
Sure.
- [129:54]
Pat McAfee
Starting the whole thing.
- [129:55]
Boston Connor
Cheat day. All out of the rock.
- [129:56]
Pat McAfee
Bingo. Thursday's going to have to eat something good.
- [129:58]
Boston Connor
Yep.
- [129:59]
Gumpy
Hey, I saw Red one and it's legit. I took my kids to see it. It's a good movie. It's a good Christmas movie.
- [130:04]
Pat McAfee
Agreed. Thank you. Yeah. Everybody just needs to take it for what it is. This is a rock Christmas movie.
- [130:09]
AJ Hawk
Bingo.
- [130:09]
Pat McAfee
I don't know what they were thinking when people were like, logo movie. It's like, what the.
- [130:13]
Gumpy
But they show their version of the North Pole and how Santa does everything. They did their own take on it. Like, it's really good.
- [130:19]
Pat McAfee
I concur.
- [130:20]
Darius Butler
You can watch from home soon.
- [130:21]
Pat McAfee
Prime.
- [130:22]
Boston Connor
You can already.
- [130:23]
Pat McAfee
It's already there. Yeah. Yeah.
- [130:25]
Darius Butler
Good movie.
- [130:26]
Pat McAfee
Did you watch?
- [130:26]
Darius Butler
Yeah, of course. Great spin. I got older kids, so I think I kind of got. Got them back in. Leaving in the center.
- [130:31]
Pat McAfee
You don't. You don't let your kids eat the frostless pop tarts, right?
- [130:35]
Darius Butler
I absolutely do.
- [130:36]
Boston Connor
Child services will be showing up at your door.
- [130:38]
Pat McAfee
We're calling them.
- [130:38]
Boston Connor
Yeah.
- [130:39]
Pat McAfee
Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change their life. Like, for instance, you should stop telling people the way you eat your pop tarts.
- [130:45]
Boston Connor
Yeah.
- [130:46]
Pat McAfee
Slightly.
- [130:47]
Darius Butler
Toast.
- [130:47]
Ty Schmidt
Change your life.
- [130:48]
Darius Butler
Frosting out of the toaster. What makes it I.
- [130:52]
Pat McAfee
It melts in your mouth.
- [130:54]
Darius Butler
You're a fool.
- [130:55]
AJ Hawk
Do you not put the ice. Do you not put the icing on toaster?
- [130:57]
Pat McAfee
Str. How about cinnamon?
- [130:58]
Darius Butler
Oh, yeah.
- [130:58]
Pat McAfee
How about cinnamon? Cinnamon. Cinnabon cinnamon rolls.
- [131:02]
Ty Schmidt
Love those.
- [131:02]
Pat McAfee
You put ice cream on top of it.
- [131:03]
Darius Butler
Absolutely.
- [131:04]
Pat McAfee
What's that all about?
- [131:05]
Darius Butler
You do that after they come out of the oven, though.
- [131:07]
AJ Hawk
Okay.
- [131:08]
Pat McAfee
Okay. So you're saying you're a man. You're post frosting the pop Tart. If you had the little.
- [131:14]
Darius Butler
No, the strudels. The strudels. I'll do that.
- [131:16]
Ty Schmidt
Tell us the strudel.
- [131:17]
Darius Butler
Yeah, I'll do the.
- [131:17]
Ty Schmidt
That's a different ballgame.
- [131:18]
Darius Butler
Different.
- [131:19]
Gumpy
You don't like the hard. You don't like the hard frosting?
- [131:21]
Darius Butler
No.
- [131:21]
Gumpy
It's already like.
- [131:22]
Pat McAfee
You don't like that getting melted and melting in your mouth. You may be surprised to learn that unfrosted pop tarts actually contain more calories.
- [131:30]
Ty Schmidt
That's dumb.
- [131:31]
Pat McAfee
Wow. That's because they got to put more flavor inside of it because you're taking all the flavor out on the outside. If I had to guess. I don't believe you. See the amount of red dye they're putting on? No.
- [131:39]
AJ Hawk
It's real fruit.
- [131:40]
Pat McAfee
The frostless ones.
- [131:41]
Darius Butler
It is real fruit.
- [131:42]
Pat McAfee
I love learn too much about that too.
- [131:44]
Boston Connor
Oh.
- [131:44]
Pat McAfee
I'm trying to keep those out of my life. I know.
- [131:46]
Ty Schmidt
Don't I know.
- [131:47]
Pat McAfee
Trying to keep it all out of my life.
- [131:48]
AJ Hawk
Don't worry. Someone's gonna take them out of your life for us.
- [131:51]
Pat McAfee
Okay. Can we get. We'll be back on the other side. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. We'd like some answers on these drones.
- [131:59]
Ty Schmidt
No.
- [131:59]
AJ Hawk
Aaron's friend's gonna take all those bad ingredients out of our lives.
- [132:03]
Pat McAfee
Make us live longer.
- [132:04]
Bill Belichick
Yep.
- [132:04]
Pat McAfee
More fit.
- [132:05]
Bill Belichick
Yep.
- [132:06]
Pat McAfee
Let's not take everything bad out. Because these taste buds. I can have a good time every once in a while. They better not touch the Pizza Hut pizza recipe.
- [132:15]
AJ Hawk
Let all natural against the wall.
- [132:17]
Boston Connor
We can talk about whatever you want to. You want a civil war?
- [132:20]
Pat McAfee
Go ahead and think about it.
- [132:23]
Boston Connor
Never mind. Not even so that will start World War iii.
- [132:25]
Pat McAfee
At one point they started changing cereal recipes. You remember that?
- [132:29]
Boston Connor
Oh yeah.
- [132:29]
Pat McAfee
I remember. My Cocoa Puff started getting made with different chocolate. And I remember thinking to myself, you ruined Cocoa Puffs. Yeah. It's not a. Who's the person that did it? I would like to know who ruined my Cocoa Puffs. Cuz I've been cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs my entire life.
- [132:43]
Boston Connor
Yeah.
- [132:44]
Pat McAfee
And this pallet does know when something changes. And they changed it. And I wanted to know who was responsible. I think Tim MC said we'll never know. Pat.
- [132:53]
AJ Hawk
That cocoa was not a life worth living.
- [132:55]
Pat McAfee
Let's get to a break. We'll be back on the other side. Hopefully. Jesus.
- [132:59]
Boston Connor
They've hidden.
- [133:00]
Pat McAfee
I can't believe you eat your popcorn. You're missing out on such a good quality treat.
- [133:05]
Boston Connor
I don't get it so good.
- [133:07]
Pat McAfee
I just.
- [133:07]
Ty Schmidt
Don't try foolish.
- [133:08]
Gumpy
He would pick that over one with frosting. Like you would say not give me the. The dry one with nothing on it.
- [133:13]
Darius Butler
1,000%.
- [133:14]
Pat McAfee
1,000.
- [133:15]
Ty Schmidt
Come on, man.
- [133:16]
Darius Butler
1,000.
- [133:21]
Pat McAfee
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- [133:30]
AJ Hawk
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- [133:52]
Ty Schmidt
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- [134:23]
Pat McAfee
Football it's amazing that's AJ Hawk the toxic tables here at Boston Connor Natasha Schmidt One half of the hammer done Cowboys AP Tone is here. Tone, what is the percentage of money on this evening's double header between the Bears and Vikings? Falcons Raiders who's betting where tonight?
- [134:39]
AJ Hawk
Heavy heavy on the favorites tonight. Vikings are getting 80% of the bets and the Falcons are getting 88% of the bet.
- [134:47]
Pat McAfee
Holy hell. Now let's remember that although the theory your first thought is that these casinos and sportsbooks don't hang chandeliers for no reason. If 80 some percent of people are going one way, you need to go the other way because the sports books are about to hit heavy right before the holiday season. But there's been numerous times, not only this season but last season and the season before that that we've been covering where 75 plus percentage of the money being on one side and hitting. It's not necessarily a guarantee that that big of a public favor is going to lose. Right Tone? I think that's something that needs to.
- [135:21]
AJ Hawk
Be channel and I feel like it's been very streaky this year. Either the heavy public bets have been all losing in a week or all winning in a week. And in this week the teams getting 60% or more of the public bets went 9 and 3.
- [135:37]
Darius Butler
Oh shit.
- [135:37]
Pat McAfee
That's what we're saying.
- [135:39]
AJ Hawk
Rams, Cowboys, Chiefs, Bengals, Jets, Broncos, Bills, Cards and Bucks all covered. Steelers, Commanders and Dolphins did not.
- [135:47]
Pat McAfee
Carolina Panthers favored for the first time in 34 games knew that wasn't going to go their way.
- [135:51]
AJ Hawk
No.
- [135:51]
Pat McAfee
Right. We kind of knew too soon. We knew that that wasn't going to be the case. Congrats to Cowboys get a big win.
- [135:57]
AJ Hawk
I still have a sweet move on Micah.
- [136:00]
Pat McAfee
Yeah out the edge there. Yeah. Fast. I like to I like the future of the Carolina Panthers.
- [136:05]
Ty Schmidt
No doubt.
- [136:05]
Pat McAfee
I like the future.
- [136:06]
AJ Hawk
Definitely the right direction.
- [136:07]
Pat McAfee
Let's talk about tonight's game with nine year NFL vet Darius J. Butler debut. Cool.
- [136:11]
Darius Butler
Appreciate you.
- [136:12]
Pat McAfee
Miami Heat Hat on Jimmy Butler drama.
- [136:14]
Ty Schmidt
Well yeah, he's gone.
- [136:16]
Pat McAfee
Miami Heat super fan agent Telling Shams he needs a scram. Stop talking. And Shams goes on tv. And yes, I stand by my report. I do this check, fact checked information so the agent can say whatever he wants publicly. This is what I know from sources around the league. Miami Heat and the NBA aside. Don't look now. The Pacers are hot. Don't look now. Tyrese Haller back, baby. Yeah. No questions asked.
- [136:43]
Darius Butler
Okay?
- [136:43]
Pat McAfee
So look out for the Pacers to go on a run in this Eastern Conference, which has been a little. A little lackluster outside of the Celtics and the Cavaliers. Correct.
- [136:51]
Gumpy
Yeah.
- [136:51]
Ty Schmidt
Bingo.
- [136:52]
Pat McAfee
Pacers are about to do it. Yeah.
- [136:53]
Ty Schmidt
None of it matters.
- [136:55]
Pat McAfee
Well, Tyrese Halliburton knows that he's going to put the cape on for the whole fucking city. Okay? Literally told him that immediately after the Colts game ended yesterday. He's at his press conference, beat the Pelicans. I'm FaceTiming Tyrese. He gives me the we're live, we're live, we're live. But in his fashion saying, I'm with the media right now. Don't say anything. Don't say anything. And I tell him, congrats on a win. Now let's go ahead and put that cape on and put on for the entire city. Cold season's already over. Been eliminated now. Still lurking. They say they're still lurking, but then there are others that have said we're eliminated. So who knows what's true. A lot of things have to happen for the Colts to continue to survive after the regular season ends. So, Tyrese, it's your time to do this for the entire city. And I feel like he was receptive to that. So I'm excited to watch the Pacers continue the run that they're on. They've won two straight. That's called a streak. Okay, then I believe they're going to Sacramento. I believe is you might be the.
- [137:48]
AJ Hawk
Only one watching those games. Ain't nobody watching them anymore.
- [137:50]
Darius Butler
NBA cup is soon, right?
- [137:53]
Pat McAfee
Tomorrow. It's happening already.
- [137:55]
Gumpy
Wait, the final.
- [137:56]
Ty Schmidt
The final final is tomorrow.
- [137:57]
Pat McAfee
The mid season and NBA cup has already been happening. You know that. Who's once again NBA cup talked about last year. Why? Because basers were in it. So let's never ever. That's fair about that.
- [138:08]
AJ Hawk
Celtics and Nuggets.
- [138:10]
Ty Schmidt
No, no, no, no. It's the. Actually the four teams that they were praying wouldn't be the last four, unfortunately. Basically think of a small market team and that's one of them. I know the finals are Bucks, Thunder, Bingo. And then the other two, I Think were. I want to say like Houston, they.
- [138:26]
Pat McAfee
Think it's the Hawks. I believe they think it's small market problem. Why nobody's watching. Is that what they think?
- [138:33]
Ty Schmidt
Just there's no, there's no standout guy.
- [138:36]
Pat McAfee
Is there any affability?
- [138:40]
Gumpy
What do you mean exactly?
- [138:41]
Ty Schmidt
I wish I knew exactly what that meant.
- [138:43]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, like being affable, like likable. I think being likable is like. Is something like that. Is there league affable?
- [138:52]
Ty Schmidt
I don't know because I. You could argue especially with the starting five show, this is like as much access as they've given to the superstars as well.
- [138:59]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. So I just, I think it's just.
- [139:01]
Boston Connor
As hard for casual fans to watch an NBA game as it would be to like watch an MLB game, which.
- [139:06]
Pat McAfee
Is wild to think about. And then you. You start the WNBA without that, that whole run that they had and then what kind of.
- [139:16]
Boston Connor
Yeah.
- [139:16]
Pat McAfee
Fall off a little bit. I wonder if the people that. I wonder if they're. I don't know. I wonder if it's affecting each other.
- [139:22]
Boston Connor
Bad taste in the mouth.
- [139:23]
Pat McAfee
I wonder. Yeah. With some people, you know, I do wonder that. I legitimately do wonder.
- [139:27]
Ty Schmidt
College ball, I feel like, is also better than it's ever been.
- [139:30]
Pat McAfee
It is down here.
- [139:31]
Ty Schmidt
So I feel like that takes away from it too. And college football, it's so good. Football. Football season.
- [139:35]
Gumpy
We got the college football playoffs coming off.
- [139:37]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, that's. And have we ever seen the ratings reports for the NBA at this point? It's before Christmas now, granted, the NFL took Christmas. Yeah, I. I don't know.
- [139:45]
Darius Butler
It's how they play. I think too, like everybody's just jacks 53s and I probably sound like the old man in the cloud, but everybody, it's just threes, threes, three. Like nobody wants to watch that every night, regardless of who. Like Anthony Edwards, probably one of the freakiest athletes we've seen on the basketball court in a couple. In a few. Probably decades. Outside of Braun, he's shooting, you know, 13, 14 threes a night. Like you want to see mid range, you want to see dunks.
- [140:08]
Pat McAfee
You like John Morant too? I think everything that took place where we missed a lot of his career as he was on the rise. I think he's a spectacle when he's playing. They're back, they're good the day after. And that's Memphis, Tennessee. To your point earlier about the entirety of it all, him saying that he's going to try not to dunk to be healthier and safer. Or whatever. And then that next day, full pump action. So nasty from here to there, like it's nothing. It's like I, I think the NBA.
- [140:37]
Gumpy
You know, Kyrie's fun to watch. When I, when I see him playing. I love watching Kyrie.
- [140:42]
Pat McAfee
And he's playing for the Mavericks.
- [140:44]
Ty Schmidt
Luca had a 40 point triple double last night.
- [140:47]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [140:47]
Bill Belichick
Klay Thompson went off in Golden State. I think, I think the issue is.
- [140:51]
Pat McAfee
I didn't even know right there.
- [140:53]
Bill Belichick
Like play a back to back game, it's not relatable. I'm sorry. You talk about somebody working construction 12 hours a day, a guy saying he can't play basketball back to back nights, it's not relatable.
- [141:03]
Pat McAfee
How much is he getting paid to do that?
- [141:05]
Bill Belichick
50 million.
- [141:06]
Pat McAfee
And that's just reality. I'm not saying that's just reality. Situation. People here, you're making how much money and you're resting for what? And I got to do this every single day so that I can make 100th of what you're making. I, that's, I don't know. Also ratings this early. Who cares, right? Basketball, this is not the basketball time. So I think about that. But, but I do start thinking about like how likable is the league and that's a part of it. What Gumpy just talked about the stars and the access and the whole thing. Like, do we hear a lot of interviews?
- [141:38]
Gumpy
We don't hear about teams as much. Like football, you get, you get like enthralled with a team. In basketball, it's more the superstars. What, what superstars on this team against this superstar. And that's what makes you watch the game. I guess if you're somewhat of a casual and you're not a die hard for that team team.
- [141:52]
Pat McAfee
And I think they're more political publicly for sure.
- [141:54]
Ty Schmidt
No doubt.
- [141:55]
Pat McAfee
Everybody, not just players, coaches, teams, organizations.
- [141:59]
Boston Connor
That's very true.
- [141:59]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, you're right.
- [142:00]
Boston Connor
Stars now though, I think are more so associated with just like how much money they're making. You know, like when younger, like it was like you had like actual superstars like LeBron, KD, Steph, and like we always. We hear now how many. Yeah, exactly. We hear now like how many stars there are in the game and like how it's, it's, it's at the, it's the best it's ever been. But I don't feel like any of these guys, like they're not reaching the levels that guys like that were like, it's just, you know, like sga. They talk and Maybe it's because he's in Oklahoma City, but it's like, he's one of the best players in the NBA, and it's just like. But he's not moving the needle like LeBron is or like Kate D. Is or any of those guys.
- [142:40]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. And to your point about college ball and everything else that you're in there, it's like, well, if you can pick and choose, you know, people have a lot of entertainment options right now. We can stream something from two weeks ago if we don't like what's live on right now. And it's like, the NBA, I think, benefited from that in the past. Certain nights they're on. So just like, if you're watching something, you're gonna watch that now. It's like, I do need to catch up on. Insert name of anything that hasn't been. You gotta. They're gonna have to figure it out, though. Yeah, right.
- [143:09]
Darius Butler
Definitely.
- [143:09]
Pat McAfee
They're gonna have to figure that out.
- [143:10]
Ty Schmidt
Spend a lot of money. Money.
- [143:11]
Pat McAfee
A lot of money. I enjoyed Kenny and Stephen a shooting against each other. Kenny shooting with his offhand right. Stephen a shooting. He looks super cool. Dialed in, locked in. Shaq Love. Shaq Still. Chuck Love. Ernie Love. Chuck, right? Yeah.
- [143:25]
Ty Schmidt
Biz was on that show. Yeah, Biz was great with him yesterday or two nights ago. It was hilarious.
- [143:29]
Pat McAfee
I assume it's fantastic. Like, but they're like a team in the NBA. I view them as a team.
- [143:34]
AJ Hawk
Yes, I agree.
- [143:35]
Pat McAfee
I got a Pacers, Knicks, Celtics. That team. Because they're associated so closely with it. Like, TNT losing. I know they're there this year, but TNT losing it. Did that add to the thing of. I don't know.
- [143:47]
Boston Connor
I also don't think it's good that, like, right when the season starts, you look at. It's like, listen, no one can beat the Celtics in the Eastern Conference. It's like, well, then why the. Am I gonna waste time, like, following all these teams all year?
- [143:57]
Pat McAfee
But that's not true. Pacers.
- [143:59]
Boston Connor
But what was this? What was the Celtics odds to win the championship before the season?
- [144:04]
Ty Schmidt
200 to win the title, which is ridiculous. Asinine. And like, the Chiefs were plus 600. But that's the difference between football and basketball. And then also, you factor in that, like, nobody likes Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown.
- [144:15]
Pat McAfee
Hey, we're live. We're live. We're live. We're live. We're live. Hey, we're live. Okay. Hey, we're going on a run. We're going on a run right now. Pacers Are going on a run. We love what we're seeing. We're playing good right now. Playing a ball. How do you feel? You're playing good ball, too. Are you all. Are we. Are we enjoying basketball? Are we all the way? Because, remember, he was potting there.
- [144:38]
Ty Schmidt
Oh, yeah. Wouldn't stop crying.
- [144:42]
Pat McAfee
You guys are people. You guys are people. That said I was potting. No, no, no, no. When we say people are saying things, we're talking about observing and reporting. This is what we're seeing people say because we live on the Internet. But you did look a little down, as you should be leader of a team that wasn't playing their best ball. You weren't playing your best ball. Now you are, and the Pacers are balling. Or is that what we're seeing from the Indiana Pacers? We've put a couple together, but, you know, we got to keep building. We put a couple together, but we gotta. Yeah, we need some consistency. We'll see. Save the city, Tyrese.
- [145:12]
Darius Butler
Save the city.
- [145:13]
Pat McAfee
You hear? I got you. Thank you. Thank you. We appreciate you. All right. Tell the boys we said good luck. I will do. All right. See you. So, yeah, a team can beat the Celtics.
- [145:24]
Ty Schmidt
No, they can't. Not. Not in the East. People were sick of that stuff.
- [145:28]
Pat McAfee
What's your problem? What's your problem? Why is everybody laugh at that? That was not a punchline.
- [145:33]
Ty Schmidt
The Celtics are so good at basketball. Like, it really isn't fair. And people were sick of that when it was like, the warriors and the Cavs and so, like, when that kind of ended, where it's just them every year in the finals, I was like, okay, maybe the league will go back to different teams winning. And now we're just back into the.
- [145:49]
Boston Connor
All right.
- [145:49]
Ty Schmidt
Here the Celtics are. And they're going to be there for the next five years.
- [145:52]
Pat McAfee
So how do they get. They can't get back. How do you. You got to break up the Celtics. Yeah, that.
- [145:56]
Ty Schmidt
That won't happen.
- [145:56]
Pat McAfee
They gotta start doing more interviews. They're gonna start, like, actually selling the product, the players and the coaches themselves, as opposed to just being like, hey, this is what it is.
- [146:04]
Ty Schmidt
That's what I mean with the Celtics. People just don't like him. Like, Tatum's on starting five, and he's not like, the most entertaining guy. Like, he's kind of like an old man man. Kind of basically seems like a.
- [146:13]
Gumpy
Really. Seems like a really good guy, doesn't he? Just seems like a really good guy. That's not, like, about all the extra, which is good.
- [146:19]
Pat McAfee
Thing. Right.
- [146:19]
Ty Schmidt
But people don't love that.
- [146:20]
Darius Butler
I don't. So, you know, I don't make headlines off the court. Like, we had, like, can't have a hundred growing up. We had character. We had mj, like AI, Kobe, like Sabonus, these guys. So we had got like, Chad. These guys were great players. Players. But off the court. And this was before, you know, you had all these cameras and all this access.
- [146:42]
Gumpy
Dennis Rodman.
- [146:45]
Darius Butler
I don't know.
- [146:46]
Ty Schmidt
I'm not him alone.
- [146:47]
Boston Connor
He was a character.
- [146:48]
Ty Schmidt
Jalen Browson, he was. He's in starting five now. But I also think to what Ty's saying about vlogging back all those guys, like, what was it? Four of the five all NBA players last year were Europeans or weren't from the United States.
- [147:01]
Pat McAfee
Shayna game anymore?
- [147:02]
Ty Schmidt
No, it's not. Not that. But I just think, like, Jokic isn't doing media. Luka Donkic isn't doing media. SGA is in Oklahoma City and Giannis in the Bucks. Every year it feels like they're supposed to be great now. They actually have been very, very good as a fight. But still.
- [147:17]
Pat McAfee
And to add on to all of that, we asked where Kyrie was playing. I could have guessed Mavs, because that's where the last spot that he was at was. But I. If you had to. If I had to give an answer right there on what team he was on, I think I would have want the Kai's a stream, and I think I would have tied him to the Lakers because the whole thing, I think that's how my brain would have thought at this exact moment. But you're right. Kyrie is must watch.
- [147:43]
Ty Schmidt
No doubt.
- [147:44]
Pat McAfee
There's a must watch.
- [147:45]
Ty Schmidt
There's a lot of them. But, like, again, it goes back to the 82 game thing. It's like, hey, okay, it's two. It's Tuesday and it's December. This game doesn't matter.
- [147:53]
Pat McAfee
We've talked a lot about the NBA.
- [147:55]
Darius Butler
Great to bet on. Say that much.
- [147:56]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Yeah. You winning?
- [147:58]
Darius Butler
Great debate.
- [147:58]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, well, it was in the news. I mean, they dropped. The ratings dropped 50 in the last 10 years for this time of year. Like, we're comparing this time of year to this time of year.
- [148:06]
Bill Belichick
The Olympics were also so great to watch. Like, those games were unbelievable. They cared so much.
- [148:10]
Pat McAfee
Oh, my God. I thought that was gonna catapult.
- [148:13]
Bill Belichick
Yeah. Is that just linear or are they.
- [148:14]
Pat McAfee
Counting for the streaming, too?
- [148:16]
Bill Belichick
Like, are people watching more on streaming now?
- [148:18]
Ty Schmidt
I assume, yeah. Does that include.
- [148:20]
AJ Hawk
I would assume including everything.
- [148:24]
Darius Butler
All of it.
- [148:24]
Pat McAfee
I don't know how Ratings works right now anyways. And we're in the middle of some of it.
- [148:28]
Gumpy
We're desensitized. Like, they do unbelievable, crazy things every single night. I feel like with all these games, it's almost like, okay.
- [148:34]
Ty Schmidt
Like, we.
- [148:35]
Gumpy
We're so used to seeing greatness every night. I don't know. It's just like, okay, move on. What's next?
- [148:40]
Pat McAfee
And if there is a series of, like, 45 seconds or so where we got bricks, I see that a lot.
- [148:48]
Gumpy
Yeah, unfortunately, we see those a lot. Those pop up more than the other ones.
- [148:51]
Pat McAfee
Sometimes that's tough. You turn it on. You just so happen to have that happen in, like, five minutes or. Okay, yeah. And you think about something else, because.
- [148:58]
Boston Connor
You can eat that watching a college game.
- [149:01]
Pat McAfee
Whatever.
- [149:02]
Boston Connor
Yeah, okay. But, yeah, you put on an NBA game and three minutes go by, and they've missed 25 threes collectively, and no one has scored. It's like, I'm not spending the rest of my night doing this.
- [149:11]
Pat McAfee
Also hard for me. And I know this isn't good because I'm letting outside factors make my decision for me and other people that I don't know make my decision for me. If I turn on one of these games and it's empty, like, I don't care if I get the bathroom or whatever it is.
- [149:24]
Boston Connor
Nope.
- [149:25]
Pat McAfee
It looks like an empty gym. I'm like, if their people don't care, why.
- [149:27]
Boston Connor
Yeah.
- [149:27]
Gumpy
Yeah.
- [149:28]
Pat McAfee
Why am I caring about this? And they're playing some music, and it's echoing through the arena. Yeah. And they're echoing through the arena as they're dribbling up. I'm like, what? It's tough for me to. Tough for me to take it serious. Even though there's some cities that, like, there's only four bathrooms or something in the arena, which is why Ballmer made such a big deal out of what the Clippers have at Intuit. Intuitive or whatever with the most amount of toilets. So sometimes it is impossible to get back in there. But if I just happen upon a game and there's nobody in there, I'm like, okay, it's gonna be tough for me to watch a pickup game. Is that what this is going on here? So I think they got a lot of. They got a lot of to deal with, I guess.
- [150:04]
Darius Butler
Yeah.
- [150:04]
Ty Schmidt
I also wonder what the NHL ratings are, because I don't know how. What everyone else has been doing. But, like, if the Bruins are on because they're all on ESPN plus, like, I will go over to ESPN plus And watch that game every single time.
- [150:16]
Pat McAfee
If you have Hulu too, ESPN plus pops up in your. Yeah, it's just like, in your guide pretty much. So it's like home bang. I assume Disney plus has it all as well. So if you're on that app, Max has games now. Yeah. So you're right. And with Biz. Yeah.
- [150:32]
Ty Schmidt
Like hockey.
- [150:32]
Pat McAfee
He's like, a face of hockey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, what are hockey guys like? Well, they'll take on a family of Irish gypsies in a parking lot.
- [150:39]
Boston Connor
Well, the difference with that, too, is it feels like anytime the guys on inside the NBA, like, say something negative or what, like, the players kind of, like, hold it against them. And, like, every time Biz does an interview with someone in the NHL, like, these guys are talking shit, making fun of him, and he's just taking it in stride. Like, that shit is incredible.
- [150:56]
Pat McAfee
I think so. It's. They're creating a great affable.
- [150:59]
Gumpy
Yeah, very affable. You're right.
- [151:01]
Pat McAfee
It's like becoming. Everything's professional wrestling in my eyes. It's like hockey has a lot of baby faces. You know, in years past, they wouldn't let them ever kind of breathe. But because of the way hockey coverage is now, how available it is, how fast it is every single night. And then you think about, like, what, Spit and Chiclets. Spit and Chiclets is a massive piece of hockey becoming so likable. And it's a good time. Hopefully the NBA figures it out. Good luck out there. Hello. You talk about players liking or not liking. You know, I got into it a little bit with the Colts team this year. A bit. Remember, they put my face as the thumbnail.
- [151:41]
Boston Connor
Wasn't about you.
- [151:42]
Pat McAfee
No. Never said my name. Put my face on the thing.
- [151:45]
Boston Connor
We were talking about him.
- [151:46]
Pat McAfee
And I understand. Hey, listen, you got to get your guys back. All I had been doing, I think Darius had been doing, AJ had been doing. Everybody that talked about all the situation, situations that had happened inside the Indianapolis Colts building, all we were doing is people that have been there are just pointing out, like, hey, this isn't what good teams do. These aren't things that good teams do. You know, late meetings, missing treatment, not working hard, tapping out of games. Like, all these things are just things that good teams don't do. So whenever I spoke about it, very close to the topic, had season tickets for them. You know, their. Their stadium. Go to a lot. All the games.
- [152:26]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, I've seen tickets for a few years.
- [152:27]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Go to all the games, see everything it's like, I think I can understand why they got upset because they felt. But like, anytime I was saying anything good, I didn't have a relationship with these dudes either. So it was like I was just, you know, I was just talking about team. That's all I was trying to do and always pulling for them to have success. But when something like yesterday takes place and a must win for the playoffs, your entire season, when something like that takes place, I think it is kind of like predictable. If you'd ever been around or paid attention enough to like an NFL operation, like it's hard to win in the NFL is what everybody says that's ever been in the NFL. Bill Belichick just talked about it because of his wins record. He doesn't care about. He cares more about championships. And he said, I have respect for the amount of wins, obviously, because it's hard to win in the NFL. But like, this Colts team has all the talent on earth. They've paid so many people. They've been around a very long time. But all the little things that they view as little things are very important to the entirety of your program. And you know when somebody drops a ball, what, half a yard, quarter of a yard from the end zone, when you're about to change the game entirely after a freak show run, once again, talent out the ass. This run is so good. Against a very good Denver Broncos defense, Jonathan Taylor pulls away shake offensive line sets up a hole. They're there because of a big play that got him there and for him just to drop the ball, you know, half yard line before getting in it rolls out of bounds for a touchback. Look at the score, look at the situation, and looks what, look what ends up happening. It's like all those little things add up and it shows up when it shows up. You never know when it's going to come. And when did it happen to come? Oh, in the second half of a must win game. And then what it do? Well, it swung the momentum completely. 24 nothing. The Broncos would go on to finish that game against the Indianapolis Colts. And it's like it's not just the drop of the ball. It's all the things that kind of indicate that this type of thing was coming that was taking place that I chatted about. Now, with that being said, the talent in there is insane. I mean, Zaire started out, you had a pick, had a sat. He was going crazy. He is EJ Speed flying around murdering somebody. Anthony Richardson, top the tackle. This guy's throwing people off him, he's sacked. He's not sacked. Jonathan Taylor doing his thing, offensive line making holes. AD Mitchell, let's not let him throw anymore. But all these things are happening. It's like, talent, talent, talent, talent, talent. But it's very obvious that something is missing behind the scenes. And I think it's like the attention to detail. Detail. And it's like the attention to detail is all of those things that I just talked about. It's not just dropping a ball half a yard before the end zone. It's like a culture thing that I think has to take place. And are these the guys that'll get it done? Maybe. Hopefully the off season will be something where they'll be able to figure it out and buy in, because it would be great and they could be great. And it's just now we're staring down the Houston Texans going back to back and us still not winning a division since 2014 with basically all of our pillar positions in place. Yeah, like, all of our pillar positions are in place right now, and. And we're still eliminated. I. I have belief that they have enough talent in that room. They're in the NFL. Any team has enough talent. But it's just like, the little. Being a pro is kind of like the whole conversation with that team. And I think that's why, like, I got attacked by a lot of Colts fans on the Internet. A lot of them didn't live in Indianapolis. I noticed, but a lot of Colts fans were attacking me for not riding with them and everything like that. Whenever I said, can't play, Anthony Richardson got to put Joe Flacco in after he taps out, you know, And I did think at the time that Joe Flacco would give us a better chance to win. Played a couple tough defenses, did not play good. But it was also like, can't have that guy be our starting quarterback if he's willing to tap out. Like, that's a part of the entire conversation. So I think whenever you're, like, a fan of something, you don't fully comprehend that. I don't think you fully comprehend. Like, hey, there's, like, human side of this and there's like, a professional side to this that, like all these. I was thinking back to this. I think every team I've ever been on in sports, any sport, has been successful, okay? And that's not because of me. I am just lucky that I get a chance to be a part of it all. But then we had that bad year that didn't happen, and we were bad. There and it's like, I've had the opportunity to see so much and how people operate and how wins, winners win and how losers lose. So whenever you start hearing these little things that are loser things, loser things, loser things, inevitably, that's going to catch up to you. And I just, I hope it turned. I hope it turns around legitimately for the Indianapolis.
- [157:04]
Darius Butler
And that's all you can do when we're here, not in the building, is hope. You know what I mean? And if you, if, if you're close to it, if you played there, like, you know, we have you, obviously you're going to care a little more. And then you're in the know about how good buildings or bad buildings go. And then you look at the team and it's like, yeah, you got talent. You mentioned everybody, for the most part in the NFL has talent. So they have talented rosters, coaches, quarterbacks. It comes down to the culture. It comes down to little things. With the Colts, you. You obviously can look at the players and that's obviously a huge part of. They go across those white lines. But you got to start the top. You know, when you look at the top organizations, good or bad, it starts at, you know, ownership level, front office coaches, quarterback, and then so forth, so, so on. But so, yeah, it obviously hasn't been to the standard that it has been in years past. And like you said, hopefully the guys in that building can turn it around. And if they can't, you know, you get new guys in there, whether that's front, you know, the ownership is going to be the ownership. It's Ursa's team and he's going to handle, he's going to run the team how he wants to. But you start general manager, you start head coach, you look at the team in that building and see where they go from here. I don't think they're mathematically eliminated, but looking at it, they, you know, they don't have a chance this year to make a run. And now you obviously, you still focus on, hey, how do these guys finish the year and then how does that push the momentum into next year and going forward?
- [158:21]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, because right now this is good reps for Anthony Richardson.
- [158:23]
Darius Butler
Yeah, yeah.
- [158:24]
Pat McAfee
You know, he needs experience. They put that graphic up how many games played in college with Bo Nix, Bo, Nick's rookie, obviously, Anthony rich, in his second game, I think it was like 61 or 51 to 13.
- [158:34]
Darius Butler
Yeah.
- [158:35]
Pat McAfee
College games and then pro games. 13. Both of them had the same amount. Because what happened with Anthony and then what happened this year. So it was pretty crazy to think like he's entering his 27th game of good ball. And it's like I assume he gets multiple more years to kind of figure it out, especially because how high he was drafted. But like I hope he does because all the reports were post benching that he had a different perspective on how he's supposed to go about it. I think the announcer yesterday said he's in there 5:30 every single morning. Like all the things that you would want an NFL quarterback to do and how you would want NFL quarter quarterback to act. Now he's missing passes, okay. And there's a couple layups that definitely need to be completed. But if everything they're saying about him off the field since getting benched is true, it's like this offseason should be a big jump for a guy that hasn't played a lot of football, which is great news if you're a Colts fan.
- [159:28]
Boston Connor
Well, and you mentioned it too, like when this whole thing happened, it's like, hey, a big part of that still though is like the culture in the building and everything. Because like he doesn't know what he doesn't know. You can't, you're in a bad spot if you're expecting a 22, 22 year old guy who's never really played in the NFL to change everything on his own. Like you need the ownership and the front office and the coaching. Like all that stuff also needs to be in place so that you can bring him along the way. He's going to need time and he's going to need to be brought along.
- [159:56]
Ty Schmidt
Oh, and like to your point of him having a few more years, like the flashes that you see like that week one, I still remember that throw against the Texans. Yeah, where he's fading away and he throws it 60 yards in the air to Alec Pierce. And then like you mentioned him running the football against the, the jets, obviously his first game kind of back, he ran through people and then, you know, he had another one yesterday. So it's like he should have a few more years because of what he can do, because he's a freak of nature like he is. There aren't many guys that can do what he can do, both throwing and running the ball. So that's why it's like if he does kind of clean up those, you know, short little layup type passes that he doesn't quite have in his back completely, like, he really could be unbelievable. And we've seen it. Obviously this has been talked about and I Feel like anybody who can run and who's big and who can throw it a mile is Josh Allen. But like, it really could be something like that. Just because of what you have seen him do in games on the field.
- [160:52]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. And hopefully off the field, everything is like that. Because Josh Allen's putting in the amount of work he put in in the off season. I mean, he attached himself to Laser.
- [161:00]
Darius Butler
Yeah.
- [161:00]
Pat McAfee
You know, it's like every. They're all these guys that are at the top. Top are. It's all. It's all like. I think people see Aaron going do ayahuasca and everything like that for how many days? How many days are those trips, A.J.
- [161:14]
Gumpy
Honestly, I have no clue. Probably between five and 10 days.
- [161:17]
Pat McAfee
But it's like every. He's doing that so he gets better at football. That is. That is why he's every. All these guys at the top. It's like, how do I get better at football? What do I need to do to get better at football? Their entire lives and everybody around them are basically there to be like, how can we make you better at football? That is like every single thought for these franchises. Tom Brady, Robot, Nate Banning, Machine. I mean, that's just like what you. Patrick Mahomes, we watch his shit. Yeah, he's drinking, drinking a Coors Light with the boys. But then what he has his body coach like literally every single morning. And it's like your entire life has to be that you want to be a good quarterback. And I don't think that's fair. Okay. Because you're a human and this is your life. I'm just telling you the reality of what everybody else is doing at your position. That's great. And if that's what you're trying to do to be great, I think that's what you got to do. Like, it takes. What it takes is kind of the old adage. And I think everything we're hearing about Anthony Richardson off the field since the benching is like setting up good for a good offseason.
- [162:13]
Darius Butler
I'm still of the mind that he needed that, you know, that wake up call. And we talked about Baker earlier. He went through what he went through. Geno Sam Darnold, like, people go through shit like. And I don't know what that experience, like being a franchise quarterback. And you, you mentioned the, you know, lack of experience in a high level on the college level. And you talk. Connor talked about when you are drafted 4 overall with that small resume in college, it's about your potential. You expect growing pains you didn't expect them to come in and have, you know, 70% completion percentage and throw for 30 touchdowns his first two years. So you expected that. Those growing pains. And it's not only what you do on the field. A quarterback then off the field, saying the right things, doing the right things. How your teammate, you know, sending out certain messages to media, to the fan base, because you are kind of the face of that organization. And back to what we're all saying. We hope he figures it out.
- [162:57]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, he will. Let's go, boys. Better next year. And this year they finish strong.
- [163:03]
Darius Butler
Still got to finish strong.
- [163:04]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [163:04]
Darius Butler
Make it, get paid for 17.
- [163:06]
Gumpy
I need a lot of help, right? Yeah, probably.
- [163:09]
Pat McAfee
And what you're from other team as.
- [163:11]
Gumpy
Far as, like, if they got a win out and then need some help from other teams.
- [163:14]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, we need. Yeah, we need some people just in the hunt, though. We need people to mail.
- [163:17]
Gumpy
In the hunt.
- [163:18]
Ty Schmidt
In the hunt.
- [163:18]
Darius Butler
Oh, Dolphin still in the hunt, too.
- [163:20]
Pat McAfee
They're also lurking.
- [163:22]
Bill Belichick
We're not lurking at all. We're not lurking. It's over.
- [163:24]
Darius Butler
The NFL still lurking.
- [163:26]
Pat McAfee
How about the NFL not wanting their top seven to be on the AFC side to be solidified this early? Hey, we need little drama. Little drama, please. Yeah.
- [163:36]
Ty Schmidt
And it's all in the nfc, Is there all, like, the last week matchups, I feel like, are nfc, except for those.
- [163:42]
Pat McAfee
AJ Speaking of controversy, we talked to Schefter about the ref, the side judge down there in Saints commander's game. What are your thoughts on that? Guy just panicked. I think that's. He just panicked.
- [163:54]
Gumpy
Definitely panicked. Definitely. Like, the moment was too big for him. Like, he wasn't thinking ahead. I mean, it's an NFL game, bud. Like, that's the thing. This. This happens in, like, middle school games.
- [164:03]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. This is the highest level. That is exactly what everybody's thinking on the same shot. I mean, he's very confident, too. Yeah. Oh, you saw him say, go back, go back. There's like a quick. There's a quick moment there where he turns sideways. He's on the right side of the screen, and that's where he realizes. Oh, no, I think wait for it. And boom. Nope, Right there. Oh, he just said, literally. What's that? What's going on, guys? How we doing? Oh, no. Oh, I wonder what he was. Maybe he paused it because he was laying on top of him, you know? Nah. Is that wags?
- [164:43]
Gumpy
Because they can call a penalty on that now. I know that if you lay on them too long, but what was he thinking?
- [164:48]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I Don't know. Just a little panic. Hey, it didn't change any straight up bets, but it did change some teasers, I guess for people.
- [164:57]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [164:57]
AJ Hawk
The commanders were the most heavily bet tea or heavily teased team on the week, so.
- [165:01]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, so a lot of people weren't thrilled.
- [165:03]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, Definitely lost their bet.
- [165:04]
Pat McAfee
Hey, it hasn't been like a bad year for these stripes, though. AJ we talked about that hasn't been like a bad year for the stripes.
- [165:10]
Gumpy
It has. They haven't been the story the majority of, like the most Mondays we come in here, we're not sitting here talking about the ropes.
- [165:16]
Pat McAfee
A majority of the story, they're go.
- [165:18]
Gumpy
What about Dan Quinn? He's got to be pissed.
- [165:20]
Pat McAfee
I don't. I understand.
- [165:20]
Gumpy
He won. They found a way.
- [165:21]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, that's basically what he said. Like, I'm not going to say anything about it because, you know, nothing really happened. But yeah, that was bad.
- [165:29]
Pat McAfee
I think Hockey Lee was pissed, too, in the pool report. I know there was a lot of people that are pissed off with his answer, but I think he was pissed off in his answer that he even had to say it because that's one of his guys. He's on his crew. Yeah. I'm not happy that one of my guys had this moment. Okay. This late in the fourth. He can't review it. Is there anything else? No. Like, what do you want the guy. I would like to fire him. What if hockey Lee would have told the truth Here in the pool report, which goes back to. At least somebody should have to face public media.
- [165:58]
Darius Butler
You usually request, like, hey, you know, talk to Pat Mac if you want to talk to A.J. hawk, I want to talk to, you know, Brian McFadden, whoever. Whoever. That side judge. That's who we request to come up here and answer.
- [166:08]
Pat McAfee
Hockey league's a dog.
- [166:09]
Darius Butler
Exactly these questions.
- [166:10]
Pat McAfee
Hockey league, good rep. Like, yeah. I think we are at a point where we're close to having a good crew. Like, of refs. Every once in a while you'll see somebody that looks a little confused, you know, and like maybe a little gunshot. They'll show a replay and there's like a second guess or a thought. A lot of holdings on Colts yesterday in the second half. Every. It was like four straight plays. Offense holding 63 and 64. I don't know who the boys are, but they had eyes on you guys. That's something you should think about going forward. I think they're going to get you a lot. But some of those replays, you'll see some refs that look like a little confused in some spots, maybe a little bit off on the side. But other than that, I think the replay assist with the, I think offseason training and also I think they had younger refs like last year, the year before. New white caps are getting there. I think we're getting to a point where they're getting to be the best that we've seen.
- [166:57]
AJ Hawk
Replay assist has definitely helped. And I don't think there's been, like, bad weeks. There's definitely been bad games. Like, I know the packers fans were pissed a couple weeks ago. Steelers fans were not happy yesterday. They would have lost the game either way. But there was.
- [167:08]
Pat McAfee
What happened?
- [167:09]
AJ Hawk
Well, there was, you know, Naj ran down to the three yard line and Darius Slay got blocked into the front row. And then the Steelers got called for two personal fouls because the Eagles didn't throw any punches. Turns out they did throw a couple punches.
- [167:23]
Pat McAfee
Not just a couple. They threw a first one.
- [167:25]
Bill Belichick
Replay assist somehow.
- [167:26]
Pat McAfee
Didn't see those either.
- [167:27]
Bill Belichick
They said they used it.
- [167:28]
Pat McAfee
Didn't see any. Yeah. So I don't know if they had this person's iPhone level. Darnell Washington, six, seven, three bills blocks.
- [167:38]
Ty Schmidt
There's.
- [167:38]
Pat McAfee
Boom. There's the right that everybody's referring to in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh saying, oh, okay, we're the only ones that get penalized now him driving Slay all the way to the crowd. There's another punch that just came in there at the end, which, you know, the boys are scrapping. That's the battle of Keystone State. That's a Pennsylvania Bowl. Obviously there's going to be juices flowing. But Darius Slade Jr. Also one of the leaders of that team. Yes. So Darnell doing that, the boys are obviously going to rally and show up. You guys are saying you don't like that The Steelers are the only team that was penalized from this particular.
- [168:07]
AJ Hawk
Normally, normally, hey, that's just a classic offsetting Y. Let's just. Let's just get out of here and call. And then the other one was the Jaylen Carter. They said that that one was after the punt, so it was not a part of the play. So, you know, the Eagles still open, open hand.
- [168:23]
Gumpy
He's smart.
- [168:23]
AJ Hawk
And the Steelers never got the ball back. Like I said, these wouldn't have made a difference. But, you know, Steelers fans are bitching about.
- [168:28]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, understandable. I can understand Now, Jaylen Carter said he got hit in the head twice earlier in the game. It was not called. So Cam Hayward happened to be the one that got the comeuppance from that entire thing. As you see, the ball wasn't punted yet because it actually goes through the corner of the replay. I did see that, even though they said it was after the ball was. I mean, that's just right cross.
- [168:47]
Ty Schmidt
Good bop.
- [168:48]
Pat McAfee
That's just right cross. Open hand, too. Smart play.
- [168:53]
Gumpy
That would have killed 90% of the human race.
- [168:56]
Pat McAfee
But the Hayward heads. The Hayward heads were built for that.
- [169:00]
Boston Connor
That's right.
- [169:00]
Pat McAfee
They were built for that. How about him stand up, almost being upset as opposed to being concussed or wobbly. What are we doing? This is not football. I didn't know this was happening. Oh, that's a Hayward.
- [169:09]
Gumpy
I love Jalen.
- [169:11]
AJ Hawk
I respect that.
- [169:11]
Darius Butler
Yeah, he's such a mean cuss. I saw a little clip where I think Jordan Davis was going to help up like an offensive lineman that went to Georgia. And he went ahead and Jay was like, okay, like, slap his hand away. Like, no, we ain't help. No, this ain't. This ain't Georgia.
- [169:25]
Pat McAfee
We do not care.
- [169:26]
Darius Butler
Yeah. When Nick Sirianni is going at it with Clint on the sideline. Carter just back there cheesing, laughing. Yeah, I love this dude. Those type of D tackles I like.
- [169:36]
Pat McAfee
Not now, coach. Not. You ain't doing this now. Big Dom's like, hey, listen, here's a little situation brewing. I don't know if you guys know. Everybody keep it cool. Everybody keep it awesome.
- [169:44]
AJ Hawk
Like, Jaylen gives it a little here.
- [169:46]
Darius Butler
Yeah, yeah, smack him again.
- [169:51]
Pat McAfee
There was another good gift from this game. Mike Tomlin and the ref. The ref explaining. I think this situation.
- [169:58]
AJ Hawk
This was after. No, this was after the slave fight.
- [170:00]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, sorry. Yeah, the slave flight. And the ref says, we saw your guys start it, initiated and do the fight. And he tells him too get the. Get the.
- [170:12]
Ty Schmidt
Away the hand, man.
- [170:15]
Pat McAfee
Get the. Away from me. What a move. Football's the best, dude. So many different emotions, situations and brew. Darnell doing that block.
- [170:25]
AJ Hawk
He's so awesome. He's like having just.
- [170:27]
Gumpy
That's a helpless situation if you're slight and he's got you locked out. Like, I. I don't really know what you can do.
- [170:32]
Pat McAfee
He's on.
- [170:32]
Gumpy
There's not much you can do.
- [170:33]
Pat McAfee
He's on skates and he. He can't even just fall.
- [170:35]
Gumpy
Cuz then, oh, look at his wingspan.
- [170:39]
Pat McAfee
Plays over db. What do you. What do you think?
- [170:41]
Darius Butler
£300.
- [170:43]
Pat McAfee
You like? I love Darius, like, punching him. Just, just, just. So we have this whole thing out in the opening and we're transparent. I love that Darius Slade just got blocked for 20 yards, and this guy wouldn't let go. And he just says, fuck it. I like. I like that he did that because he knows that in that situation, he's outreached like we saw. Outweighed out high. Everything in a fight that is. Is bad for you. Darius Slay is certainly experienced there with 673-203-30. Whatever tight end Darnell Washington is. So for him to say nah and throw a right punch, I respect it. I absolutely respect it. Now, is there a penalty that should probably come alongside that potentially? You know, he couldn't even get to him, actually. He's just holding him. Yeah. Yeah. It's like when you're holding a little.
- [171:29]
AJ Hawk
Kid'S forehead for a hockey fight.
- [171:31]
Darius Butler
Tough spot to be in.
- [171:32]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [171:33]
AJ Hawk
I thought GP on the field. I was like, holy, he's back.
- [171:35]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, Go get him.
- [171:37]
Pat McAfee
Get in there. Could you imagine was on the field for that? He's coming. Flying in over the top. Yeah.
- [171:42]
Gumpy
Yeah.
- [171:43]
Pat McAfee
He's potentially soon on.
- [171:45]
Boston Connor
Yeah. That got the entire. Entire crowd.
- [171:49]
Pat McAfee
Did you guys see his Bronson reeds, Tsunamis off the top of the cage?
- [171:55]
Boston Connor
Oh, yeah.
- [171:56]
Pat McAfee
Do I see that?
- [171:57]
Darius Butler
See? All right.
- [171:59]
Boston Connor
No.
- [171:59]
Pat McAfee
Okay.
- [172:00]
Boston Connor
He may have broken.
- [172:00]
Pat McAfee
Oh, his legs.
- [172:01]
Darius Butler
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [172:02]
Boston Connor
Both his legs. Both his ankles, I think.
- [172:05]
Pat McAfee
I don't know if at. I do wonder if at the last minute, he was like, I can't put all my weight on these people. So he tried to, like, lighten the load. Sure.
- [172:13]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [172:14]
Pat McAfee
Like if you know as you're falling through the sky consciousness. Yeah. Are you really gonna do this? And he puts his feet down to kind of lighten the load. Missed.
- [172:25]
Boston Connor
Anyways, he knew right away I just broke all my.
- [172:29]
AJ Hawk
There's a slow mo, but yeah.
- [172:31]
Ty Schmidt
Business Sash.
- [172:33]
Pat McAfee
At least I. He'll come back stronger. Yeah, he will.
- [172:37]
Ty Schmidt
Which might not be good for the rest of her.
- [172:40]
Pat McAfee
That's right.
- [172:40]
Ty Schmidt
Of the planet.
- [172:41]
Pat McAfee
A stronger tsunami. A bigger storm's on the way.
- [172:44]
Ty Schmidt
Possible.
- [172:45]
Pat McAfee
Holy Brunson Reed. I broke my toe doing a moonsault. Threw somebody through a table in a cage match. Broke my big toe. First thing I did as soon as I got into war games. Put them on a table, boys. I'm gonna go through them. Moonsault, bang. Toe broken, Ring broken.
- [173:05]
AJ Hawk
That's right.
- [173:06]
Pat McAfee
Broke my big toe. But you know what else was broken? That man's spirit.
- [173:10]
Bill Belichick
That's right.
- [173:10]
Pat McAfee
And their will in that table. Now, we lost that match, but I said it. I said a tone earlier. I'm not playing around.
- [173:16]
Boston Connor
Exactly.
- [173:17]
Darius Butler
They'll remember it.
- [173:18]
Pat McAfee
They will remember that.
- [173:19]
Darius Butler
How long until you Got cleared.
- [173:22]
Pat McAfee
What do you mean?
- [173:23]
Darius Butler
I don't know how long. If you're a dog like Big justice.
- [173:27]
Ty Schmidt
Toe is a long way from.
- [173:28]
Pat McAfee
He wrestled with it.
- [173:29]
Darius Butler
I saw him on my timeline.
- [173:31]
Gumpy
Who's he wrestling with?
- [173:32]
Pat McAfee
He's in a ballroom right now. And down in Boca Raton. That's right. With the Boca Beach Boys. The Boca Beach Boys. He showed up with qt. Marshall was there?
- [173:40]
Boston Connor
Yeah.
- [173:41]
Pat McAfee
And he was fighting mjf?
- [173:43]
Boston Connor
I believe so.
- [173:44]
AJ Hawk
Shut up.
- [173:44]
Pat McAfee
Down the ballroom down in Boca Raton. And. And Big Boom. Big Boom. That's what we do. He showed up in there and was like, you got problems. You got problems. Put people to sleep at night.
- [173:57]
Boston Connor
Somebody need a power.
- [174:00]
Pat McAfee
That's what he do. I mean, there's a chance Big Boom is AEW champion at some point.
- [174:06]
Ty Schmidt
Wait, Big Boom is only 5, 2.
- [174:09]
Pat McAfee
What? No.
- [174:11]
Darius Butler
What do you mean, no?
- [174:14]
Pat McAfee
Look at how low the chandelier, Jerry. World.
- [174:16]
Ty Schmidt
I thought Big Boom was, like, back in there.
- [174:20]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Hey, no Bull. No Bull, too. Look, he's still got the bootle on the guy. Throwing a big right with a bootle? Yeah.
- [174:26]
Ty Schmidt
What's. Is that a regulation size ring?
- [174:28]
AJ Hawk
Actually, Tom Brady said yesterday on the Eagles Steelers game, he announced that he would be sponsored by no Bull, like, for the rest of his.
- [174:36]
Pat McAfee
Oh, Big Boom. Yeah.
- [174:37]
AJ Hawk
Tom did it.
- [174:37]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Because TB12 and no bull combined. That's right. So that's actually a TB12 shirt that big Boom's wearing right now.
- [174:44]
Boston Connor
Technically, yeah.
- [174:45]
AJ Hawk
Little Justice Kevin Burkhart almost his pants when Tom said that.
- [174:49]
Pat McAfee
What about Little Boom? I heard Burke. Big Boom. A Little Boom. We're gonna do just fine.
- [174:54]
Boston Connor
Gonna be just fine.
- [174:55]
Pat McAfee
Caught that right from qd. I mean, he was kind of giving it away because he was tired. He was at the end of a match.
- [174:59]
Boston Connor
Exactly.
- [175:00]
Pat McAfee
Big Boom. You can't give that type of thing away with Big Boom. He caught that block, that knock that.
- [175:05]
AJ Hawk
I think the JF Lucky Rizzler was in the NFL game yesterday, wasn't he?
- [175:09]
Pat McAfee
Rizzler. He was playing, I think.
- [175:10]
AJ Hawk
Yeah.
- [175:11]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [175:11]
Ty Schmidt
Rizzler's getting into music. He sees the future vacuum in that business, and he will take advantage.
- [175:16]
Pat McAfee
He couldn't even take a. What you think. You think it was a vacuum?
- [175:21]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah. And Rizzler is filling it.
- [175:24]
Bill Belichick
Merry Dismas, boys.
- [175:26]
Pat McAfee
Merry Christmas, you mean.
- [175:29]
Bill Belichick
No, there's a remix called Merry Dismiss.
- [175:31]
Ty Schmidt
It is so.
- [175:33]
Bill Belichick
Just came out bars.
- [175:34]
Ty Schmidt
Sounds like Biggie.
- [175:35]
Pat McAfee
All right, let's make our picks. I don't think you should say that. I don't think you should say that.
- [175:40]
Ty Schmidt
Okay, fine.
- [175:42]
Pat McAfee
Pretty disrespectful.
- [175:43]
Ty Schmidt
Fine. Have you heard it? Yeah, Good point.
- [175:48]
Boston Connor
Is that better?
- [175:48]
Darius Butler
All right, fine.
- [175:50]
Pat McAfee
Sounds like two very different styles of music, but somehow.
- [175:53]
Boston Connor
Exactly.
- [175:54]
Ty Schmidt
You listen to it. Just wait till you listen to it after the show. And you're going to be.
- [175:57]
Pat McAfee
I listen to the first one. I was very. I was very first one.
- [176:00]
Ty Schmidt
Also. Great.
- [176:01]
Pat McAfee
I was so surprised. I was so surprised.
- [176:03]
Darius Butler
Oh, yeah. This was.
- [176:04]
AJ Hawk
Look at this roll.
- [176:05]
Ty Schmidt
All right, you tell me.
- [176:06]
Pat McAfee
That looks sweet.
- [176:07]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [176:08]
AJ Hawk
It's 24. Second thought.
- [176:09]
Pat McAfee
Holy.
- [176:10]
Ty Schmidt
No staircase preview gift card.
- [176:13]
Pat McAfee
Oh, my God. The Boss. Yeah. Huh. What if he. Does he do any home?
- [176:21]
AJ Hawk
Should have had the chest hair.
- [176:22]
Ty Schmidt
It should. You wait.
- [176:26]
Darius Butler
You bet.
- [176:26]
Ty Schmidt
Holy.
- [176:27]
Pat McAfee
You don't have any flickity. Talking about the rich Notorious the Boss. What if he. Oh, like Ray Cross, who raised. Got bars, though.
- [176:35]
Ty Schmidt
Yes.
- [176:36]
Pat McAfee
Like actual.
- [176:36]
Ty Schmidt
And he's got the sound.
- [176:38]
Pat McAfee
Oh, really?
- [176:39]
Boston Connor
The flow, if you will.
- [176:40]
Ty Schmidt
The flow, if you will.
- [176:41]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. He had his best one this week, too.
- [176:43]
Boston Connor
I know.
- [176:44]
AJ Hawk
Oh, he's still doing it.
- [176:45]
Gumpy
He's still doing him.
- [176:46]
Boston Connor
He's the fan of the year.
- [176:49]
AJ Hawk
He's still doing it.
- [176:50]
Bill Belichick
Still bringing it.
- [176:51]
Boston Connor
Still bringing it. Thank you.
- [176:52]
Bill Belichick
He actually just got his coat this weekend for fan of the year.
- [176:55]
Pat McAfee
He said, we're gonna nix out all the bows or something like that.
- [177:00]
Ty Schmidt
Nix them in their big fat bows.
- [177:02]
Pat McAfee
There it is. Best one of the year.
- [177:04]
AJ Hawk
That makes sense.
- [177:06]
Gumpy
You've got the nay at the end. Is he doing a live nay or is it the old one?
- [177:10]
Pat McAfee
It's the same. It's the same day. He hit the nay the best the nay would ever be hit. And he rightfully decided, let's just put that one in at the end every time.
- [177:20]
AJ Hawk
Because I'm not as smart as you guys. Can you explain to me, nixum in their bows, what that means?
- [177:25]
Pat McAfee
Well, big fat bows.
- [177:26]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah. Have you never been pinched in the back of your arm?
- [177:30]
AJ Hawk
Oh, elbows.
- [177:31]
Ty Schmidt
It hurts so much. So if you nix them in their big fat bows.
- [177:35]
Pat McAfee
Okay. Yeah, because it hurts. And they did say that the Denver Broncos team has the fattest elbows in the entire line league. So that's what he's talking about.
- [177:43]
AJ Hawk
Can you nick some, like.
- [177:45]
Pat McAfee
No, you. You nick it with, like.
- [177:47]
AJ Hawk
Oh, okay.
- [177:47]
Pat McAfee
A punch.
- [177:49]
Boston Connor
Sharp. Sharp elbow.
- [177:50]
Pat McAfee
Hurts so bad because, you know when you, like, nick your fist on something and it like. It's like a paper cup, but it's more so on the skin. That's what he's talking about. So we're just doing a bunch of those. Their elbows.
- [178:03]
AJ Hawk
Sounds like stubbing your elbow.
- [178:05]
Gumpy
Kind of.
- [178:06]
Pat McAfee
Kind of Funny. Bonish. But more so on, though.
- [178:08]
AJ Hawk
That's why he's fan of the year.
- [178:09]
Darius Butler
I'm not worried.
- [178:13]
Pat McAfee
I think he's actually going to probably collab with the Rizzler now that I'm seeing what the Rizzler's doing.
- [178:17]
Ty Schmidt
Hey, look, I love the Flow. I do.
- [178:21]
Darius Butler
Do you?
- [178:22]
Ty Schmidt
But the Rizzler is at a Grammy level right now, so the Flow is going to need a few more bars like Nixum in their big fat bows before he gets to where the Riz is.
- [178:33]
Pat McAfee
I think the Flow hasn't ventured outside of one beat yet either. Once he does that, I think that'll really open up the catalog. I think that'll open up the catalog.
- [178:42]
Ty Schmidt
Agreed. Maybe. Maybe next year.
- [178:44]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, next year. New song.
- [178:45]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, maybe. He might have had one for the.
- [178:46]
Pat McAfee
Playoffs, but that's the biggest travesty, this whole thing.
- [178:51]
Boston Connor
I know.
- [178:52]
Bill Belichick
Maybe he'll do like a no longer lurking song, like, we're not lurking anymore song to finish the season.
- [178:59]
Pat McAfee
We're in the hunt. We're always lurking.
- [179:02]
Bill Belichick
I don't want to see the Dolphins on that lurking graphic ever again. It's over. Okay? Don't get it off the lead Lurkers, brother.
- [179:11]
AJ Hawk
You said last week that you guys were still in it.
- [179:13]
Bill Belichick
Yeah, we were until we lost yesterday. Now it's over.
- [179:16]
Boston Connor
No.
- [179:17]
Pat McAfee
How'd you guys do yesterday? Pretty good defense.
- [179:19]
Bill Belichick
Played unbelievable to probably the worst game he's had since he's been back.
- [179:24]
Pat McAfee
Jeez.
- [179:24]
Ty Schmidt
Also, it's not over. You know what?
- [179:26]
Pat McAfee
It is.
- [179:27]
Bill Belichick
Yeah, it's over. The. The graphics traffic went out. It is officially Joe for. So they can't make it.
- [179:32]
Pat McAfee
I hope mathematically, somehow the Dolphins make it. Oh, man. So Gumpy is the guy who called this thing. Jover gave up hope. Said they're no longer lurking. They're dead.
- [179:45]
Bill Belichick
I'm probably the most optimistic Dolphins fan on the Internet.
- [179:49]
AJ Hawk
Yeah.
- [179:50]
Bill Belichick
I mean, the Dolphins fans on X, all they do is argue about whether Tu and McDaniel are good or not. And before that, it was his Tanahill good or not. It's like, guess what? We're not a good football franchise.
- [180:04]
Pat McAfee
Wow.
- [180:04]
Bill Belichick
Like we haven't been for a long time. So acting like they're going to get rid of Greer, they're going to get rid of Tu and McDaniel. It's not happening.
- [180:12]
Boston Connor
You never know until you try.
- [180:14]
Darius Butler
Yeah. Just staying pat. Just okay. Not being good.
- [180:16]
Bill Belichick
What? What happened before McDaniel.
- [180:19]
Pat McAfee
Jack. To bring back what happened before Jack.
- [180:23]
Bill Belichick
More Jack. The one time they made it to the playoffs when Tannehill was there. It was actually Matty Ice. Matt Moore took us to the playoffs. It wasn't Tannehill. And he got decapitated by Bud Dupree. 360.
- [180:36]
AJ Hawk
You need to bring Ju back.
- [180:38]
Bill Belichick
Wanstadt. Yeah, I like Weaver. Weaver's good. DC, I think you get the boys healthy again. Running back next year, Bradley Chubbs back. Jalen Phillips back, back. Let's go.
- [180:47]
Ty Schmidt
Unfortunately for the AFC east, we are entering the Pat Mahomes type thing where it's like, well, Josh Allen's in the division, so this is cute.
- [180:55]
Pat McAfee
You guys chase Josh.
- [180:57]
Bill Belichick
Yeah, we also went from Brady directly to Josh.
- [180:59]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. So, okay, let's. Let's get to some overreactions now on that note, because I saw your overreaction tweet and I thought to myself, wow, I wonder if that's con man or is that all Patriots fans? You know, this morning I put out a toy, say, good morning, beautiful people. Because I did hope they were having a good morning. And I do believe everybody's beautiful. There's parts a lot of people that think they are ugly always say, what about me? I'm talking to you too. Talking to you too.
- [181:31]
Darius Butler
It's nice of you.
- [181:32]
Pat McAfee
Thank you. Because it's real. Some part of somebody is beautiful somewhere.
- [181:37]
Darius Butler
Hell, yeah.
- [181:38]
Pat McAfee
Just have to find it, right? You always find what you're looking for. I was told that this morning. You always find it.
- [181:44]
AJ Hawk
What about interesting?
- [181:45]
Ty Schmidt
What about pirates?
- [181:46]
Pat McAfee
They're looking for booty and guess what they got? Okay, it's either booty or die.
- [181:51]
Boston Connor
That's right.
- [181:52]
Pat McAfee
And those pirates are finding their booty.
- [181:54]
Bill Belichick
Good motto or they're dying.
- [181:57]
Pat McAfee
With that being said, I put out a little bit of a, you know, kind of like a bat signal. I said, hey, listen, we only have a few of these left. It is a massive overreaction Monday. I want to hear how you feel about your team. I want to see how every fan base is reacting to what their team has done as of late. Why don't you put a tweet out on X? It became the number one trend in the United States. Wow. Thank you all for participating. All you have to do is put. I don't want to over react, but that video is. Ken Dorsey thought we're gonna get another one from him just yesterday. He has matured. He has changed. He did not do a full panic freak out, but he obviously did show his disappointment. Speaking of disappointment, let's hear some disappointment from around the NFL. This one's from at Boston. Connor looks like a. Looks like a Gentleman doesn't he looks like a good ladder. Yeah, good. L looks like a good lot right there. Is that a bow tie?
- [182:55]
Ty Schmidt
If you will.
- [182:56]
Pat McAfee
Oh, he's tuxedo, that guy. Okay, hashtag, I don't overreact, but I'm a draw. Mayo guy. Listen, I was told Gerard Belichick as well. I love this guy. He won a lot of games for me. This guy's won a couple Super Bowls. Man. It's nice to be able to keep a guy like Gerard Mayo around to be the head coach. I think is what that first sentence implied whenever he. This, this particular gentleman said, I'm a Gerard Mayo guy. I want him to do well. The players on the Patriots are backing him in the other coaches post game, so perhaps fans should do the same. However, Drake May is a 22 year old quarterback who has shown signs of greatness. New England will have the most tap space in the NFL by a wide margin. And a top five draft pick spelled it wrong.
- [183:38]
Ty Schmidt
Shit.
- [183:39]
Pat McAfee
It's okay. You get a pick too. Okay? Get the picture of the pick to paint the picture. It's top five. If there's even a chance Ben Johnson of the Detroit Lions would want to be the head coach, the crafts have to admit their mistake and get him in the building to right the ship before we waste a great young quarterback on a rookie contract. Connor, you're from the area, also a New England Patriot fan. Do you think what this guy wrote is accurate depiction of how everybody feels or just him?
- [184:06]
Ty Schmidt
I wouldn't say accurate depiction because I think a lot of what people are feeling is way, way, way more aggressive than that. I think most people want Mayo out. I think they're sick of them. They think it did not work. I think most people are out on Rob or Bob and Jonathan Kraft. I think they think they're both kind of fools, buffoons. They've kind of swindled the franchise back into a dumpster that not many people damn near nobody actually is really used to. Even though the last four years have been terrible. But I do think that the Gerard Mayo thing for the most part in New England is just completely fail. Did not work, will not work. I don't feel that way completely, you know, like we were talking about, we have talked about mcdc. You know, after the first year of mcdc, I don't think any of us thought like, hey, this is what they're going to be in just a few years. But personally, if you have a chance for a offensive coach and you know, Gerard Mayo has done some of this to himself. He's said stuff that a lot of people think is ridiculous. Yesterday, he kind of didn't throw Alex Van Pelt, the offensive coordinator, into, you know, underneath the bus, if you will. But he did say, like, hey, you said that, not me, when asked about play calling and it not being great. And then, you know, he walked that back today, which has been kind of routine to this point in the season, where something said right after the game. And then the next day, in his weekly hit on the Sports Hub or whatever it is, he then walks it back. So people are kind of sick of that, too. And. And just because Drake May is so good, like, I think everyone who watches agrees, like, this guy is nasty. He can do it all. He runs. He. You know, the cool pitch was sweet, but he threw a dime down the sideline to Kendrick Bourne. Like, everyone sees what Drake May can be. And everything that we've heard about Ben Johnson is like, he wants to go to the right situation. And that's why I kind of tried to lay out, like, young.
- [186:04]
Pat McAfee
Oh, it is you.
- [186:05]
Ty Schmidt
No, no, no, that's not me. But I think a lot of people are saying this, like, we have the best situation, you know, with the most cap space, with a top five pick and with a young quarterback who is proven to be very good and can be very good. And then you just think about all these, you know, great quarterbacks. They can be partnered with a great young coach. Like, that's kind of the fucking dream. So I think Ben Johnson is what everyone wants now, and I do think people are kind of out on that top five pick.
- [186:35]
Pat McAfee
You can use that to trade back and get two guys, or you can utilize that top five pick maybe to get a lockdown corner like Travis Hunter is being predicted to be. Then you got Travis Hunter, and the Gonzo flew on the other side, on the defensive side. That kind of answers a lot of questions on one side. Now, Travis, obviously, getting an offensive kit and everything like that, certainly feasible and possible. Whenever you look at the Patriots and you look at the future, how do you think it goes? I think Drake, like what you said, Drake May, he's franchise quarterback.
- [187:04]
Ty Schmidt
He's unbelievable, man. And you mentioned Gonzo, and I should have mentioned that, too. He is so good. Like, he covered. He was on Marvin Harrison the whole day. The whole day. Yesterday he had, like, two catchers for 40 yards, and then they released, like, an entire graphic of his matchups the entire year and what guys have done against them. And it's just like, we have such good players. At pivotal positions, corner D line, safety, quarterback, obviously running back. Solid. Like if just speaking directly to Ben Johnson, with that top five pick, you could get a Travis Hunter or you could go get a. I don't know, like your type of pen. A Sewell.
- [187:43]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Could get that. Or could get two picks. Yeah. In the top 15. But then monthly or.
- [187:48]
Ty Schmidt
Or something like next year, get two first rounders.
- [187:50]
Pat McAfee
Top five picks are hold a lot of value, especially on draft day. People lose their fucking shit to get those tough. I mean, people make bad business decisions to get all the way up there. Now, inevitably, hindsight always looks back that their bad decisions in the moment feels like a great position. But like, yeah, I agree. Watching Drake, especially against like the Colts, you see things that he does and you see the way he handles himself. Then you hear about off the field, which is what I think this particular show pays attention to more than maybe any other show, because that matters a lot more. Which is why we get in the situation with the Colts that we get into, because we judge like, off the field. Drake feels like he's a franchise guy.
- [188:24]
Ty Schmidt
Yes.
- [188:24]
Pat McAfee
And he's big. This is a big son of a. Who can run. Which you don't want to do this all the time, but you think Josh Allen.
- [188:34]
Ty Schmidt
You think of Herbert and like, he can run and he makes all the throws and he's just quick. Like, our offensive line is so bad and he's still making plays. And it's not like we have household names at wide receiver either. And he's still making plays. Like, Austin Hooper has been fucking balling out for us. Okay. And he hasn't been as good over the last few years since he left Atlanta when he was with Matt Ryan. So it is one of those things where it's like we don't even need to think about, you know, wide receivers. Even though we need to spend $30 million on T. Higgins this offseason, we don't even have to go there right now. Like, what we really just need is a very, very solid offensive play caller and a couple big boys up front.
- [189:11]
Darius Butler
Yeah, I think the defense has been the most disappointing part of this year. Gonzo has been spectacular. I expect him to be really, really good. I expect the defense as a whole to be really good this year. Jerod Mayo, it's his first year, and when you have a franchise quarterback, Drake Mayo has shown that talent, you don't get many opportunities if he plays well at, you know, top three top five picks. So you got to hit that out of the park and then you obviously have to spend your money well in the free agency realm also. So big year, big decision for the crafts. But Gerard Mayo was, you know, the prince that was promised. So I don't. Yeah, I don't expect them.
- [189:46]
Gumpy
They're not getting rid of them dba.
- [189:47]
Ty Schmidt
There's no way they're going to get.
- [189:48]
Gumpy
Rid of him right now.
- [189:49]
Darius Butler
I don't expect to be one and done. I mean, she said it. These last three games, they just down their leg look absolutely terrible. Maybe, but Mayo said some bad things post game in the pressers and then walking them back. You definitely don't want to set that standard if you're a head coach. So first year, he's learning. But you have the young, you have the piece at quarterback. You have Gonzo, you have Barman, you have still a good core of good young players there. So you got to show some type of potential, some type of something in this year. And then it's a huge, huge off season for this whole franchise.
- [190:20]
Ty Schmidt
If we lose to a backup quarterback in Buffalo because we play them the last week, and if they don't have the starters in and we lose that game at home, then I could see it being like, all right, we might. We might have just this up. Because you even look at Denver and it's like, hey, they screwed up with Hackett and they made a change after one year after 13 games, and it worked out for them.
- [190:43]
Pat McAfee
That Denver team's fun to watch. Yeah. I hope Patrick's okay.
- [190:48]
Ty Schmidt
They said. They said he was good, that it wasn't a serious injury.
- [190:51]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, he walked off, so I thought that would be okay. But like watching that, I was kind of. I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
- [190:56]
Bill Belichick
They play Thursday too, against the Chargers. Quick turnaround.
- [190:59]
AJ Hawk
He's second nods for defensive player of the year right now.
- [191:01]
Pat McAfee
He's fun. Wow.
- [191:03]
Darius Butler
And Bonito.
- [191:04]
Boston Connor
Bonito. Another touchdown.
- [191:06]
Darius Butler
They called it a fumble return. I hate that. Nasty.
- [191:08]
Gumpy
What?
- [191:09]
Darius Butler
I'mma call it pick six.
- [191:10]
Pat McAfee
Pick six. Yeah. Cuz he threw it lateral. So it's a fumble instead of a pass.
- [191:14]
Gumpy
That was an interesting play call in the moment.
- [191:16]
Pat McAfee
Okay.
- [191:16]
Darius Butler
Yeah.
- [191:17]
Pat McAfee
All week it worked. All week it worked.
- [191:20]
Gumpy
Guess it wasn't open.
- [191:21]
Pat McAfee
I like him just. And he came out and said that Shane told him before the play, hey, if it's not there, just throw it away. Don't worry about it. And I like how he had. Yep. Let me make sure I get the fucking good. Let me take my fucking time here, you know, Score in the situation again. We don't need to talk about it.
- [191:40]
Darius Butler
Fourth Quarter down four.
- [191:42]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, this is very similar to a fake Punta was ran.
- [191:44]
AJ Hawk
It's the alumni section.
- [191:46]
Gumpy
Great play. Great play, though.
- [191:47]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, but imagine if that works. Richardson's catching that thing and he's got a look. He's got a caravan in front of him.
- [191:54]
Boston Connor
I mean, you want to talk about flipping the momentum if he takes that to the house.
- [191:58]
Pat McAfee
Gone.
- [191:59]
Boston Connor
Yeah.
- [192:00]
Pat McAfee
Yep.
- [192:00]
Boston Connor
27.
- [192:02]
Gumpy
If the Colts scored and the Broncos didn't this play, it would have been a lot different.
- [192:06]
Pat McAfee
Instead, we got the whole money happening in our face.
- [192:10]
Darius Butler
See this caravan?
- [192:11]
Gumpy
Must have been the altitude.
- [192:13]
Pat McAfee
You see the caravan?
- [192:14]
Darius Butler
Yes. A good setup.
- [192:15]
Pat McAfee
It was there.
- [192:16]
Gumpy
They were there.
- [192:17]
Darius Butler
Slow developing play.
- [192:20]
Gumpy
They got numbers up there.
- [192:21]
Ty Schmidt
Quentin Nelson, as soon as he catches it, it's pretty electric.
- [192:25]
Pat McAfee
But then he said, all right, yeah, I'm not going to catch that guy.
- [192:28]
Bill Belichick
He get a score?
- [192:30]
Ty Schmidt
Cuz Qu. Quentin really did hold.
- [192:31]
Pat McAfee
He was looking. Don Field. Hold on. He was looking a guy off. Yeah. Let's go back to the. The.
- [192:38]
AJ Hawk
Yeah.
- [192:39]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, he's looking him off. He didn't even look.
- [192:40]
Ty Schmidt
He felt good.
- [192:41]
Gumpy
He felt good about it.
- [192:43]
Pat McAfee
He looked down field. Hey, you never know where I'm going.
- [192:45]
Darius Butler
Yeah, no, that's. That's a bad call. And then, you know, with Bonito being over there, Pause.
- [192:50]
Pat McAfee
You play. Boom. He did look, seemingly, didn't he? Give a little look. See? Did he see Nick? Yeah. Probably couldn't see through Patrick's retain here.
- [192:59]
AJ Hawk
His spat is perfect, too.
- [193:01]
Gumpy
Looks good.
- [193:01]
Darius Butler
I know your personnel man.
- [193:04]
Gumpy
Got the laces and everything. Okay, here we go.
- [193:07]
Boston Connor
Set his feet.
- [193:09]
Pat McAfee
Tight spiral. Turn sideways a little bit at the end. Would have hit him right in his hands.
- [193:13]
Darius Butler
Would have.
- [193:14]
Pat McAfee
No, he's talking about that. Would have hit him right in the hands.
- [193:16]
AJ Hawk
They should run this next week.
- [193:18]
Gumpy
It would have.
- [193:18]
AJ Hawk
Just to. They should run it again next week.
- [193:21]
Pat McAfee
It's not his fault. They look good all week.
- [193:23]
Ty Schmidt
Shane, he's not a quarterback, do you think? I think.
- [193:26]
Pat McAfee
And AD has certainly not had the greatest year. You know, he's an Indianapolis Colt.
- [193:31]
Boston Connor
Yeah.
- [193:32]
Pat McAfee
So, you know, the question was, you know, putting the ball in the hands of a rookie wide receiver to throw the ball back across the field with a playoff on the line. It's basically how it was phrased. And I didn't really think of it that way until they said it. And I was like, that is an interesting design. But then I heard Shane Steichen say, AD could spend it. AD can spin it. Yeah, they worked it all week. I think he has completion maybe at some point this year. I didn't. I Don't remember it, but Shane said he has a completion. Obviously, I didn't know that maybe he did, so it's just not working out as terrible.
- [194:06]
Darius Butler
That's a.
- [194:07]
Pat McAfee
So you have this one. You have this thing happen. You have the.
- [194:11]
Boston Connor
Yeah, that can't happen.
- [194:13]
Pat McAfee
You know, you have that whole thing, and then you have that thing happen. Then you have a pick late happen. And it's just like everything that has happened bad this year happened all at the same time. In the biggest game, at the biggest.
- [194:27]
Darius Butler
Time, they started great. So good first two positions, great start on the road. You know, you think about, hey, teams, road teams got to deal with the altitude. First big game for both teams started great. So for it to end the way that it did, that's ugly. And that play that's, you know, obviously look like a genius if it works. That's a very. Even if a quarterback is throwing the ball across the field, that's a dangerous play. So.
- [194:48]
Pat McAfee
All right, let's go to another overreaction, shall we? This is from Frankie Moraurdo. The evil genius Sirianni manufactured all of this phony drama last week to bond his team together in Disney movie like fashion. Knowing Jalen and AJ Play the parts perfectly, establishing the ultimate subterfuge. I heard that word earlier today. I'm the one that used it. Nick, I didn't expect you to copy my diction in this entire thing. AJ did you hear me use this word earlier today to Adam show?
- [195:24]
Gumpy
I actually missed it. No. When did you use it? To shift it?
- [195:26]
Pat McAfee
Great. To shifter. I said ilk in quagmire and substerfuge, which I didn't know was coming up in this segment at all. Weird. Nick, you taught me this word this morning, and it is a beautiful one. Do you do the Dictionary.com word of the day thing? Is that how you learn a word like substerfuge? Substerfuge. Subterfuge. I used to in my younger days.
- [195:50]
Bill Belichick
Now I just rely on, you know.
- [195:53]
Pat McAfee
Closed captioning on TV and Twitter. Basically, deceit used in order to achieve one's goal. Subterfuge. Can you give a country of origin, please? Let me go with English. England. Subterfuge. S U B T E R F U G E. Subterfuge used in a tweet in 2024 by somebody that works at this place. I'm proud of us. Thank you for showing up for us. Thank you for teaching us that word. And shout out to the evil genius Sirianni cooking up this one, right? Is that what he's doing with the D line, or you think he's doing the same? Absolutely. This is just laying the seeds for next week. So now he's got. Whoever they're playing next week is going to be on their P's and Q's and on their toes because they're going.
- [196:39]
Ty Schmidt
Oh, these guys, they're just in disarray over here.
- [196:41]
Pat McAfee
Look at the silence.
- [196:42]
Bill Belichick
They're winning 10 games in a row, and they're still arguing on the sidelines.
- [196:45]
Ty Schmidt
They.
- [196:45]
Pat McAfee
They don't know what's coming. They don't know what they're doing. They do.
- [196:48]
Ty Schmidt
They do know what they're doing, and they're very good.
- [196:50]
Pat McAfee
You think it's all a work, brother? Absolutely. Work for shoot. For shoot. It's for shoe to work.
- [196:56]
AJ Hawk
It worked because the Steelers were like, oh, this team has no idea how to pass. We should just play straight up, man, the entire game, not even disguise it, and just. Just let them do whatever they want.
- [197:05]
Pat McAfee
And what happened?
- [197:06]
AJ Hawk
That's exactly what happened.
- [197:08]
Pat McAfee
Good subterfuge, dude.
- [197:09]
Ty Schmidt
It was.
- [197:10]
Pat McAfee
Hey, A.J. once you go to the media and tell them we don't know what the we're doing. We don't know how to throw the ball. Go ahead, A.J. tell them that you hate Jalen and Brandon Graham. Actually. You actually doubled down.
- [197:18]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [197:19]
Pat McAfee
You say that they're not friends anymore.
- [197:20]
Boston Connor
He definitely. He definitely did that on the sideline with the D line. Coach, hold me back. Hold me back. Like, make it look so that I can't talk to them right now. People will be saying, hey, you can't control the team. He's a dipshit. Just do it.
- [197:31]
Pat McAfee
Do it. Do it.
- [197:31]
Boston Connor
Okay, I'll walk.
- [197:32]
Pat McAfee
But you were saying that loud enough so Jalen could hear. Because that's why he was laughing. Yeah.
- [197:35]
AJ Hawk
Yeah.
- [197:35]
Pat McAfee
That's why he was laughing at you.
- [197:36]
AJ Hawk
Crazy.
- [197:36]
Pat McAfee
Coach.
- [197:37]
AJ Hawk
Don't come with me.
- [197:37]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. And then Coach Clint is like, okay, this is an interesting technique, dude. This is an interesting technique. Sure. Yeah.
- [197:45]
Boston Connor
He's a genius. Just do it.
- [197:46]
Pat McAfee
Just trust me. People are going to think we're fighting here. You know that. I don't want to be the guy that they think you're fighting with.
- [197:51]
Boston Connor
No, it part of the act. Punch me in the face. Punch me as hard as you can right now.
- [197:55]
Pat McAfee
Right. My nose. I'm not doing that. Get out of here. Big bomb. This guy's crazy. That's potentially what happened. Exactly. Can't doubt it at this point. No.
- [198:05]
AJ Hawk
Almost guaranteed.
- [198:05]
Pat McAfee
All they do is win games. Good for Sirianni. What is he, like, fourth highest or something? I saw some record he. His. Yeah, his winning percentage is like fourth highest at this standpoint of his career in the history of the NFL. Like just such a great. Such a great coach. Yep, seemingly.
- [198:23]
Boston Connor
Yeah.
- [198:24]
Pat McAfee
But last year happened. Some other situations pop off. We have some drama that isn't happening anywhere else. He talks about, you know, laying seed and manure and then coming through there as flowers. So he does his in his own way. He wins, though. And he gets them all rowing in the same direction somehow, no matter what takes place. I love them. Congrats, P on you, evil genius. We need Hard Knocks over there for a season.
- [198:47]
Boston Connor
That'd be awesome.
- [198:48]
Pat McAfee
NFC east next year. Inseason. Hard Knocks. Need it. All right, let's go to the next overreaction. This one's from Chris Bordine. E. Chris.
- [199:00]
Boston Connor
I think it's Aanas.
- [199:01]
Pat McAfee
Aanas, yeah.
- [199:03]
Boston Connor
Chris Banas.
- [199:04]
Pat McAfee
What's. What is Ibani? Is that just a last name? It is.
- [199:07]
Boston Connor
That's what I just.
- [199:07]
Bill Belichick
Raul. Great. Seattle Mariner home run slugger.
- [199:12]
Pat McAfee
Raul.
- [199:13]
Bill Belichick
I think he had a cup of coffee with the Pirates. To be fair.
- [199:15]
Pat McAfee
He did. Oh, yeah.
- [199:17]
Boston Connor
Yankees legend as well.
- [199:19]
Pat McAfee
Chris Bourdine. Hashtag. I don't want to react, but football is dumb. Best line season of my life and it's going to be derailed because every other player, defensive player, is being car off the field and placed on ir. Both of our coordinators are gone next year. I would never know. Happiness one pride. That's true. Sorry, Foxy.
- [199:37]
Gumpy
Feel so bad.
- [199:38]
Pat McAfee
It's okay. You know, we had our run. It is. It is. Every game you guys won by 18 against Indianapolis Colts. I think you lost two guys. Yep. Just getting carted off the field. It's remarkable, actually. And now, like last season, all I ever wanted was a playoff win, and that was attainable any year. And so now we're in a situation where we could go in a Super bowl and we have the team right now. I actually think we would win the super bowl by like 20 points every game in the playoffs if we were fully healthy. But that's not how football works. The Niners, they're one of those teams. They've been so close and they just can't get it done. The packers, for all those years, Ty was just telling me there was here they 15 and 1 lost in the first round of the playoffs. And now finally the Lions are considered one of those teams. Teams where you just have everything and you need it all to go right in the playoffs at the Most important time. And unfortunately this year, it doesn't look like it's going to happen. Fourth and fifth stringers at some positions, guys I've never heard of, guys that none of us have heard of. Heard of. And let me tell you what, Some of them are very, very, very bad. Like, very, very.
- [200:43]
Gumpy
I didn't know that's what was going.
- [200:44]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I love these guys. Death or po. Playing their asses off. But Josh Allen, there's one linebacker that he toyed with the entire game. I feel bad for the guy, actually. Shep, your guys's former teammate was ripping him a new one. And Please keep giving 150% because you're an MC DC guy for a reason. But it's not your fault, brother. Teddy Brisky. What did Teddy Brisky say? He said, I was watching that as a former linebacker, they were attacking the. That'll continue to happen, too. It's like. It's just a shame. We've been talking about it for a few weeks. How long can he last? How long can he last? Because everybody's going to get hurt. But it's like, when it's every good player that you have, it's nuts. That is insane.
- [201:26]
Darius Butler
Sorry.
- [201:26]
AJ Hawk
You could still make it. I think you'd still do NFC Championship. But I don't think anything.
- [201:30]
Pat McAfee
I do, too. Like, I'm not fully giving up. Like, let's score 45 points, Steelers.
- [201:34]
AJ Hawk
And let's just 17 with Lev and AB and the offense just being unbelievable. The worst defense of all time. They went to the afc.
- [201:41]
Pat McAfee
Ch.
- [201:41]
AJ Hawk
You could go there. You're going to lose at some point.
- [201:43]
Boston Connor
But today was kind of the cherry on top, though. He just been talking about the defense and how good the offense is, and they're like. Well, actually, David Montgomery's probably.
- [201:51]
AJ Hawk
He still got Gibbs, though, too.
- [201:52]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Knuckles is out. Sonic's still available. Yeah. Sonic's got some Knuckles in him, though. He does.
- [201:57]
Darius Butler
He does.
- [201:57]
Pat McAfee
Don't forget that.
- [201:58]
Ty Schmidt
Wait, what? Sonic's got some knuckles in them.
- [202:03]
Pat McAfee
He does. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.
- [202:07]
Gumpy
What are you talking about?
- [202:08]
AJ Hawk
Hello?
- [202:09]
Pat McAfee
Are you okay?
- [202:10]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, I'm all right.
- [202:11]
Pat McAfee
What? What are you talking about?
- [202:12]
Ty Schmidt
It's just an interesting sentence.
- [202:14]
Pat McAfee
Sonic's got some Knuckles in him. You watch him play. Yeah.
- [202:17]
Ty Schmidt
On the field.
- [202:19]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. His style.
- [202:21]
Ty Schmidt
Play.
- [202:21]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Yeah.
- [202:22]
Ty Schmidt
Okay.
- [202:23]
Pat McAfee
You know that two circles.
- [202:25]
Ty Schmidt
I wasn't sure what you were saying.
- [202:26]
Pat McAfee
You know the two circles and they're overlapping on a small part. Boom. There it is. Sonic. Knuckles. But a little bit of Knuckles creeps in there into Sonic. Yeah. You Know what I mean? Yeah.
- [202:38]
Ty Schmidt
Sonic's got some Knuckles in them.
- [202:41]
Pat McAfee
Exactly. Well said. You concur?
- [202:44]
Ty Schmidt
I. I get it now. I. I didn't. I didn't at first.
- [202:47]
Pat McAfee
What were you talking about? I don't know.
- [202:49]
Gumpy
How'd you interpret that?
- [202:50]
Ty Schmidt
It's just what you said. I said, whoa, right now, what are you thinking? But you were saying.
- [202:56]
Pat McAfee
You were saying his style play, capital K. Yeah. Knuckles. No lower case.
- [203:01]
Ty Schmidt
Okay. That. See now. Now we're on the same.
- [203:03]
Pat McAfee
This is a name. Yes. Not a body part.
- [203:05]
Ty Schmidt
Okay. That's why I was like, what the. Going on in Detroit.
- [203:08]
Pat McAfee
Okay. Yeah. You thought there was a chance that.
- [203:10]
Boston Connor
There was a little Knuckles and bunghole.
- [203:13]
Ty Schmidt
Sonic, I don't know.
- [203:16]
Pat McAfee
That's not the case. It's capital.
- [203:17]
Ty Schmidt
They're very close.
- [203:18]
Pat McAfee
It's capital. Capital. Yes. Get to the next overreaction. We're sorry, Foxy. It's okay, boys. There's always next year and the year after that.
- [203:27]
Gumpy
Already gave.
- [203:28]
Pat McAfee
And the year after that and the year after that. It's not over. Yeah.
- [203:32]
Bill Belichick
You're gonna get in the dance, brother.
- [203:34]
Pat McAfee
You're taking a lot for granted, though. Also, forget what Gumpy just said. You only have today, brother. Okay? And hopefully we have tomorrow. That's why whenever you get eliminated and they chat about next year, next year, next year, it's like, what if I ain't got it next year? What if it's my last season? You never know. You never know.
- [203:52]
Ty Schmidt
But when Ben Johnson's the coach of the Patriots, you know, you saw what happened with the Eagles. They lose their coordinators and take some.
- [203:59]
Pat McAfee
Time to get back. You're right. So it's going to be a while.
- [204:02]
Ty Schmidt
Maybe.
- [204:02]
Darius Butler
I don't know.
- [204:03]
Ty Schmidt
I hope not. Detroit vs. Buffalo would be the greatest super bowl in the history of Super Bowl.
- [204:08]
Pat McAfee
All those fans would be so sweet. Awesome. Great game too. We saw yesterday was an on site kick with 12 minutes left left.
- [204:14]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, that's good football.
- [204:17]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Let's go to the next overreaction. AJ what are your thoughts on that on Sidekick?
- [204:21]
Gumpy
You know, as I would say, it was reckless. Now, looking back, I said it was risky earlier. I think now I would put it into the reckless category.
- [204:29]
Pat McAfee
Three timeouts left down. 10, 12 minutes left. You're still in.
- [204:33]
Gumpy
They got the kick they wanted, though. They got the kick they wanted. He did a beautiful job of that. It's just. Yeah. Great job. High pointing that sucker and almost taking to the house.
- [204:40]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. All right, let's get to the next overreaction, shall we? This one's from Darius the sagittarius@ it's dj666. Jesus with the middle finger in the photo. Badass. Geez Louise. Darius the Sagittarius will fucking get after it.
- [204:59]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, he's a dog.
- [205:00]
Pat McAfee
Hashtag, I don't want to overreact, but I, I believe, I believe in Knicks in a squad of big dicks. Okay. Bring us Herbert, bring us Burrow, bring us Kermit and the Chiefs, Nick Bonito and the defense is a terror. Thank you Jonathan Taylor and the Colts for the most 2024 Colts game all year. All right.
- [205:23]
AJ Hawk
That doesn't seem right.
- [205:24]
Pat McAfee
It was the most cold scheme.
- [205:27]
Boston Connor
Can you imagine though if that throwback.
- [205:28]
Bill Belichick
Would have went for a touchdown?
- [205:29]
Pat McAfee
Oh boy, I could imagine it. Yeah, because we've seen electricity like that all year from this cold state team. They have the talent, they have the ability now. Not Bo's best game. Colts defense had a great day against Sean Payton. Bowe coming out of a buy, they're going to have to get back on track to be in a great offense. It doesn't turn the rock over, but what the defense does. And if that offense can do everything that a couple deep shots did not get completed, normally those would get completed I think to Cortland and the boys or whatever. But it's like I believe in the Broncos as well. Maybe not this year, but like, like I believe in where they're headed. Especially without the 40 some million dollar hit to the salary cap that Russell Wilson is taking as a Pittsburgh Steeler.
- [206:11]
Darius Butler
You would think with Sean Payton, Bo Nix and that defense is probably the worst we'll see the Broncos probably next five, six years. So if you are a Denver Broncos fan, you are, you should be in a good spot now this year. Maybe not how the top top of that AFC looks, but going forward, the future is brightfish.
- [206:27]
Pat McAfee
Benito's a dog.
- [206:28]
Darius Butler
Phil Superstar.
- [206:29]
Pat McAfee
So fast.
- [206:30]
Darius Butler
Yeah. Athletic.
- [206:31]
Pat McAfee
He slowed down yet again. Probably we don't even know what his full speed is because he probably slowed down. Gotta turn around and turn around. Hold, hold these.
- [206:41]
Darius Butler
Yep.
- [206:41]
Ty Schmidt
L still made it. So so worth it.
- [206:44]
Pat McAfee
Definitely worth it. Forgot Bill Lutz is there only spelled with one L because he gave the other to your team. Let's go to the next ever reaction, shall we? This is from Biggie Smalls who was disrespected earlier today.
- [206:56]
Ty Schmidt
Whoa, whoa.
- [206:57]
Pat McAfee
@Jrjjs2. This is junior jj the second square.
- [207:03]
Boston Connor
That's right.
- [207:04]
Pat McAfee
Hashtag. I don't want to overreact, bud. Those UFOs flying over Cleveland yesterday was Just Josh Allen watching how the Chiefs were playing before he went back to Detroit. Dude is not human. Hashtag Josh Alien. Ah, you see that? You sub the second L for an I. All of a sudden you have a descriptor for what Josh Allen is, and that's an Alien. He's special. We just, we just named two quarterbacks that are young, that were hoping to God end up like Josh Allen. It's not just the physical traits, it's everything else that comes with it. He's a playmaker, and in the biggest moments, feels like he wants the light on him, he wants to shine, and this year might be the year for him. A.J.
- [207:40]
Gumpy
Well, he, I mean, you talk about a franchise guy like, he is a franchise quarterback. He seems to embody that on the field, off the field. And I think it's cool to see, like, him growing as a leader and growing up, mature and seeing what his, how his teammates react to him. Like, I mean, we could be watching Josh Allen play for the next 10, 12 years.
- [207:56]
Pat McAfee
AFC east, knows that they're in his division.
- [207:59]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, bingo. And that's why, that's what you want as a quarterback, because he does everything good. And to Foxy's point, yesterday, watching it, there was never a point in the game where it was like, oh, Josh Allen might do what he has done in previous years and like, throw a errant pick or fumble the football. He doesn't have that in his game anymore. And it's, it's scary.
- [208:21]
Pat McAfee
Boneheaded, I believe, is the descriptor.
- [208:23]
Darius Butler
Bonehead. Every game it seemed like. And I put, I was watching his tape this morning and I posted a clip on Twitter earlier day. But yeah, he's. He's just an absolute freak show. But the Bills are kind of in a situation the Lions in now. It has been all doom and gloom, but remember, they had the four super bows and Roy Law and then the 13 seconds. And Josh Allen has been obviously a phenomenal player for the last, you know, five or so years in the league. They just couldn't, can't get over that hump. So it's going to be a big year going forward. But he, Josh Alien is a perfect descriptor of what he's doing in the football field.
- [208:54]
Pat McAfee
To your point. Yeah. Can they get a stop? Last two weeks have been high score shootout affairs that we have loved. Do you believe in the Bills this year?
- [209:00]
Gumpy
Oh, absolutely, I 100% believe in them.
- [209:03]
Pat McAfee
I think so. Josh Allen's going to win the mvp and maybe they want to Super Bowl.
- [209:07]
Ty Schmidt
I.
- [209:07]
Pat McAfee
This Is the year gonna have to get a stop at some point. Everybody's offense that makes it's going to be good. Can you get a stop?
- [209:15]
AJ Hawk
I feel like their worry is the Ravens because that's the best offense that they're going to play in the afc.
- [209:21]
Pat McAfee
Lamar Jackson just want absolutely absurd.
- [209:23]
AJ Hawk
They could get stops. I mean the Chiefs and everyone else.
- [209:25]
Pat McAfee
Awesome to watch.
- [209:26]
Darius Butler
Josh being a night a minus 900 favorite for the MVP is he is phenomenal. But what Lamar is doing this year too, like I think 34 touchdown pass, three interceptions, damn near 800 rushing yards. Like highest one of the highest scoring.
- [209:42]
AJ Hawk
Offense stats are so much better than last year, it's absurd.
- [209:46]
Darius Butler
I don't know if it's voter fatigue or maybe receive bias because of how. How great Josh Allen's been of late and better record, but I think it should be much closer. But I mean they're both very, very deserving. Both phenomenal athletes.
- [209:58]
Pat McAfee
Josh Allen the last two weeks, one of the weeks weeks Lamar Jackson was on a buy so was not playing. 860 yards, 10 touchdowns, no interception. That's the last two weeks for Josh Allen in these games. I think that's potentially it as well because these sports books, they don't know who's going to win so they ride with the.
- [210:15]
AJ Hawk
No. Travis Hunter was a minus 5,000 favorite coming into Saturday and he was. That was the closest Heisman that It's been in 20 years.
- [210:22]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. So they only know what we. They're only reading tea leaves. Yeah. Like the rest of us when it comes to those awards. So that can swing. I mean everything you just said right there, if Lamar continues to do what he did yesterday and he's been doing all year, they lose those close one. They win a couple of these big games down the stretch. It's like why not Lamar winning another mvp?
- [210:42]
AJ Hawk
He. Well, he's got the division, the AFC north championship basically this weekend and then the Texans on Christmas Day. Lamar's got a couple big stages left while Josh is playing the Patriots.
- [210:52]
Pat McAfee
We need to start doing more AFC north championship talk. Like the AFC south championship was last year when the Colts hosted the Texans. That should have been marketed as the AFC or South championship. Yeah, because those are big games. Huge. That's happening this weekend. You get in today, you punched, you're in.
- [211:06]
AJ Hawk
If the Steelers win, they win the division. If they lose, they got a win against the Chiefs and Bengals to win the division.
- [211:12]
Pat McAfee
So it's.
- [211:12]
AJ Hawk
It's basically the AFC north champion.
- [211:14]
Ty Schmidt
And I mean it's the. It's the whole weekend. It's like the holiday weekend of games. It's like Thursday, massive divisional matchup because Broncos, Chargers. Okay, that's seating in the playoffs. Saturday, obviously, we have what the Chiefs are playing. Chiefs, Texans. That's a massive game. It's like every kind of every day now they have the whole. The whole schedule's@watch.NFL.com but from Thursday to Wednesday, like, they're massive games.
- [211:39]
Pat McAfee
So Thursday we got a massive one. Yep. Friday we got college football playoffs kicking off. Indiana taking on Notre Dame. Then Saturday we got college game day. Okay. Nine to 12 in the morning. Then there is Penn State hosting SMU. SMU. Then there's an NFL game at 1. Then there is college football game.
- [212:01]
Ty Schmidt
Clemson, Texas.
- [212:02]
Pat McAfee
Then there is NFL game. Yep.
- [212:04]
Ty Schmidt
4:30.
- [212:05]
Pat McAfee
Then there is prime time.
- [212:08]
AJ Hawk
Ohio State.
- [212:08]
Pat McAfee
Ohio State, Tennessee. That's Saturday.
- [212:11]
Ty Schmidt
And then nice weekend.
- [212:12]
Pat McAfee
Sunday, full slate. Yeah.
- [212:13]
Darius Butler
Yeah.
- [212:14]
Pat McAfee
Monday night, then Wednesday for Christmas. Is there a Christmas Eve game?
- [212:18]
Ty Schmidt
No, no Christmas Eve game. But then there's a game Thursday.
- [212:23]
Darius Butler
We did it.
- [212:24]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [212:24]
Boston Connor
Nice little run.
- [212:25]
Ty Schmidt
This is. This is the pinnacle.
- [212:27]
Pat McAfee
We got to it, huh? Cause super wild card weekend in a few weeks is awesome, too. Yeah. Because that's like, wake up. Game, game, game, Sunday, game, game, game. And it's like banger, banger, banger, banger, banger, banger. We talk about that weekend a lot. Okay. This is the best weekend that there's going to be for the rest of the year. This little run here might. The whole. What are they calling it?
- [212:49]
Ty Schmidt
It's just. I believe it's just the holiday games. I don't know if there's a specific.
- [212:53]
Pat McAfee
Pushing out a little bit. Yeah, they should start pushing that.
- [212:56]
Darius Butler
Enjoy it, boys.
- [212:57]
Pat McAfee
Let's go. Football.
- [212:59]
Ty Schmidt
Come on.
- [212:59]
Pat McAfee
Thank you. Football. Hey, don't look up, okay? Just keep your eyes on the games. That's right. People are gonna say that. I was told to say that. Or whatever. I'm just mocking a movie. Don't look up because now there's just drones in the sky everywhere.
- [213:15]
Boston Connor
Everywhere.
- [213:15]
Pat McAfee
What are these things?
- [213:16]
Boston Connor
We don't know.
- [213:17]
AJ Hawk
They're in Ohio now.
- [213:18]
Pat McAfee
Who's flying these things?
- [213:19]
Gumpy
Would it be weird if they all just disappear all of a sudden and.
- [213:21]
Ty Schmidt
We don't see them very much?
- [213:22]
Boston Connor
So.
- [213:23]
Pat McAfee
And then we never. Nobody talks about it. We never get any answers. Possible be terrible.
- [213:27]
AJ Hawk
I'd be okay with that.
- [213:29]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. As long as nothing happens, I guess. Yeah.
- [213:30]
AJ Hawk
Versus the altar.
- [213:31]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [213:31]
Ty Schmidt
As long as nothing happens.
- [213:33]
Pat McAfee
Nothing's gonna happen.
- [213:34]
Boston Connor
No, we got football.
- [213:35]
Ty Schmidt
We're good.
- [213:36]
Pat McAfee
Football. Yeah.
- [213:36]
Boston Connor
Football team.
- [213:37]
Pat McAfee
Football. Football. Football. Football. Football. Thank you, football.
- [213:43]
Boston Connor
Thank you, football.
- [213:44]
AJ Hawk
Thank you, football.
- [213:45]
Darius Butler
Love you, football.
- [213:46]
Pat McAfee
We do. We do love you, football. Let's get to the next ever reaction, shall we? I wonder if this person still loves football. This is from Benjamin. It's Benjamin. I hope you like jamming, too. Benjamin. Benjamin. Benjamin, Benjamin. Benjamin. 509. I don't know what that means. Hashtag. I don't overreact, but it's embarrassing to be a part of this current fan base for the Seattle Seahawks. To see so many seasoned ticket holders not showing up to games and selling tickets to opposing fans just to make a buck is pathetic. Judy Allen. Oh, no. Sell a team.
- [214:23]
Gumpy
Whoa.
- [214:25]
Pat McAfee
12 apostrophe sardet.
- [214:28]
Boston Connor
Yeah.
- [214:29]
Ty Schmidt
Oh, no.
- [214:30]
Pat McAfee
Hashtag stops after you put an apostrophe in there. But nonetheless, the message remains. The 12s are dead, says Benjamin. And I'll let you know. I don't like that one bit. We saw it with Bill's Mafia a few weeks ago. That's when we were really alerted to the situation. They took over that stadium.
- [214:48]
Darius Butler
Wow.
- [214:48]
Pat McAfee
That stadium used to be, like, the hardest place in football to go to. Loud. Don't want to play there. And then we saw Bill's Mafia be like, yeah, you don't want to play home here. We're gonna take this place over. And now Benjamin says, boots on the ground.
- [215:01]
Boston Connor
It was pretty much a Packers home game last night.
- [215:02]
Pat McAfee
Oh, wow.
- [215:03]
Gumpy
Yeah.
- [215:04]
Boston Connor
You could hear go back the Go Pack, Go Chance all night on tv.
- [215:09]
Pat McAfee
So now fans kind of know it's gettable. You know, saw the Buffalo Bills. Bill's mom, like, wait a second. Seattle. Maybe go take a trip. Maybe go catch some fish.
- [215:19]
Ty Schmidt
Reason to go there.
- [215:19]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Why not go see the city? What's the big thing they got at the top?
- [215:22]
Boston Connor
Space Needle.
- [215:23]
Pat McAfee
Space Needle. So beautiful. Puget Sound. Mount the mountain.
- [215:26]
Boston Connor
Mount Rainier.
- [215:27]
Pat McAfee
Mount Rainier's there. It's gorgeous. Why not go check out the Pacific Northwest? I'll watch a team play, go throw some fish. Do the stuff. Look at the things. Okay. Like, in a stadium's getable. Let's do it. And they're doing it.
- [215:39]
Boston Connor
Yeah.
- [215:40]
Pat McAfee
Packers fans show up everywhere, though, right?
- [215:41]
Boston Connor
They do, but I was pretty surprised. I mean, I don't know. Especially with Seattle, like, leading the division. Going into that game last night, you thought maybe that it's just like, hey, the Bills are an outlier. They're gonna go everywhere, especially with how good they are. I thought last night would be like a, you know, the. The home Eagles and or Seahawks environment that we're used to and that it would be really tough. But, like, from the onset, like, you could hear, go, pack. Go on. Like, every third down or every big play, like, it was. It was wild.
- [216:07]
Pat McAfee
You think it's because they kicked Pete Carroll out of the building? Yeah.
- [216:09]
Bill Belichick
I don't think living on the Pacific Northwest, knowing a lot of Seahawks fans, I don't think people realize how much they love that, man. I seriously don't think people know.
- [216:19]
Pat McAfee
Even though they're playing pretty good this year, in Mike McDonald's debut season, it was like they. They might feel a little jaded, but about how Pete Carroll was treated there at the end, because Pete Carroll came out was like, I fought. I fought for hours. So I told him exactly what I would do. Had a presentation for his own job. It's like, that's an interesting move, you know, and there's gonna have to be hard decisions made everywhere. Yeah. Every business, every organization, that's gonna happen. The way that dropped out of nowhere for us, we were startled. I guess Seahawks fans could be as well.
- [216:49]
Ty Schmidt
I saw a lot of Geno Smith hate. I don't think they really believe Geno Smith can win anything. Roman. When it comes to a Super bowl or going to a conference championship, I think people are kind of out on Geno in Seattle.
- [217:02]
Boston Connor
It was kind of like last night. Is this the story of the entire season? It's like this guy throws way too many picks in the red zone last night. He throws one, gets tipped in the red zone. What does he do? He goes right back to it, throws a pick in. In the red zone, where it's like the situation in the game, it's like, hey, you got to score a touchdown here because the packers were already up, I think, 20 to three at that point. It's like, if you don't score here or at least get a field goal, this game's over. And boom, right when they needed him to.
- [217:28]
Pat McAfee
17, 3.
- [217:29]
Boston Connor
17 3. Yeah. Geno throws us.
- [217:31]
Pat McAfee
This comes one score. Game real quick. 17 10. Vastly different little flutter. Two of his guys over there.
- [217:38]
Bill Belichick
I don't know why.
- [217:39]
Pat McAfee
Carrington Valentine made some sweet moves.
- [217:42]
Ty Schmidt
Sweet move.
- [217:42]
Boston Connor
But then the. The packers, you know, went right down the field and kicked. The field goal goes at halftime. So it was like. I mean, the game was pretty much over.
- [217:50]
Pat McAfee
Stolen momentum.
- [217:51]
Boston Connor
Yeah.
- [217:52]
Bill Belichick
Sam Howell might have actually played the worst quarterback of all year as well. He was brutal, dude.
- [217:58]
Pat McAfee
I mean, there's a guy that I didn't know, you know, still was playing well.
- [218:03]
Boston Connor
That's what Collinsworth said last night he was like, hey, you know, this is an audition. Not obviously just for Seattle, but for every other team in the NFL. What a Sam, how do he comes out and abruptly takes three sacks in a row just, you know, right away.
- [218:14]
Bill Belichick
Their whole line is awful and has been awful for a long time. Like I don't think when people talk about Gino, he. He's the only thing that cape keeps him half decent with that O line.
- [218:23]
Pat McAfee
Well, Sam Howell, Geno Smith. Hope you're healthy. Good luck over there. Seattle Seahawks still in it. Still can host a home playoff game for sure. Still gonna home playoff game. So Benjamin, you might want to get back in there. Let's go to the next overreaction is from Jimmy Briggs at Gingerbriggs36. This Scottish lad right here loves ball. Hashtag, I don't want to overreact, but Baker Mayfield is spinning the pill like a pharmacist on uppers. Bucks are going to win out all thanks to that Hulu check cashing play. Extended madman from Oklahoma. Hey, she's awesome to watch right now. This Baker, he's. He's cooking. Baker is cooking in the kitchen right now.
- [219:01]
Bill Belichick
Yeah.
- [219:02]
Gumpy
How do you not love watching Baker and watching him just fly around the field like you said, extending plays. And I believe Jimmy might be doing some standup in his profile pick too from that tweet. If you look, maybe an open night or open mic night or maybe he's a, you know, he's an established comedian. I just don't know it.
- [219:16]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I do believe that is stand up there. The.
- [219:20]
Gumpy
The pharmacist on uppers. You know, this guy's writing. He's writing material.
- [219:23]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, it's pretty good.
- [219:24]
Pat McAfee
The evening it says I believe this evening. M. Hey, Jimmy, I like the way you operate. Spinning the pill like a pharmacist on uppers because obviously all jacked up to write scripts.
- [219:38]
Boston Connor
Yeah, for sure.
- [219:40]
Pat McAfee
Gotta do that. He is a madman.
- [219:42]
Boston Connor
He is.
- [219:43]
Ty Schmidt
He's a beast. He's running wild too.
- [219:46]
Pat McAfee
Headbutting too. I love the amount of headbutts he does.
- [219:48]
AJ Hawk
If he didn't have so many interceptions, he'd be up in that MVP discussion as well. He just loves giving the ball away.
- [219:54]
Pat McAfee
Sometimes because he loves making big plays.
- [219:56]
Boston Connor
Exactly.
- [219:56]
Pat McAfee
Let's go to the next one, shall we? This one's from from pack of badgers at pack of Cubs. Hashtag I don't overreact, but this the packers piss is piping hot. Toyota Thon Jordan love top three running back Josh Jacobs and a defense getting Alexander and Bullard back for the playoffs only confirms the 14 year Super bowl trend in title town. Did I pronounce that name right?
- [220:20]
Boston Connor
Yes.
- [220:21]
Pat McAfee
Hell yeah. Didn't know if I was going to or not. As I was reading, it was kind of 50, 50 nonetheless. Getting healthy balling at the right time. Toyota Thon, Jordan Love is bananas. We read the Hembo stats earlier. Is this 14 year trend, what's that so far?
- [220:37]
Ty Schmidt
Wins.
- [220:38]
Boston Connor
14 years later, Rogers and them win and then this would be year 14. Obviously the Super bowl goes into the 15th year, but so 14 years in between Super Bowls, which would be, you know, like I said, I'm starting to.
- [220:49]
Pat McAfee
Believe again in Toyota Thon, which is Jordan love after Week 10. In his career, last two seasons, obviously 26 touchdowns, two interceptions, pretty good. 78.2 QBR, best in the NFL. And then obviously he's only gotten sacked 15 times during those times. He plays his best ball late in the year last year, you know, he's kind of getting in the swing of being an NFL quarterback, we think. And he and lafleur get on the same page. He's spinning it. He's playing awesome football this year. Gets hurt early, stumbles out of the gates not because of his own doing, but because of an injury that somebody on his team did. If I do recall that. The knee thing. Yeah.
- [221:28]
Boston Connor
At the.
- [221:28]
Pat McAfee
For.
- [221:29]
Boston Connor
Yeah. First game of the season.
- [221:30]
Pat McAfee
Right. Something that happened to him because of.
- [221:33]
Boston Connor
Yeah, I mean that. And you know, a lot of people were saying the turf in Brazil was part of it as well.
- [221:38]
AJ Hawk
Sippy.
- [221:39]
Boston Connor
You know, I'm not saying that.
- [221:41]
Pat McAfee
Gets off to a slow start because of that. Malik Willis has some wins. Jordan gets back in. Then he kind of tries to find his. Way too many turnovers, maybe not seeing it all right. And then he gets good and gets hot and he's playing great football. It's like maybe this guy does need to just get into a groove a little bit. Hopefully next year he'll be able to do that in training camp and it starts in the season. But if you're playing your best ball late, who cares?
- [222:03]
Boston Connor
Yeah, no, absolutely. I mean, four weeks in a row now where he hasn't had a turnover. Their defense, that's kind of the one. I mean, their defense is night and day better than it was last year and in years past. But they're still kind of inconsistent a little bit having a lot of young guys, but if they can play like they did last night and you know, I mean, obviously you look around the, the NFC like the four teams, they've lost. They've lost the Lions twice, the Vikings and the Eagles. That's. I think that's the highest win percentage ever for like, you know, teams. Four losses. So I don't know. I mean, I wouldn't say that. You know, they're. They're the team. That's for sure. Like the, hey, nobody wants to play them in the playoffs, but I think they don't really get blown out by anybody. Like, and I still don't know if they've played their best game yet, but I think when they are playing like they did last night, like they can compete with and potentially beat anybody.
- [222:49]
Pat McAfee
AJ you love his packers team or no? In the defense. New coordinator Halfley coming in there being a game changer for them. I assume you're very pumped up about that decision finally getting made. I think is what packers fans have been saying for the last few years.
- [223:02]
Gumpy
Yeah, I love what halfway does with the. The defense. And I heard during the broadcast they, they were talking about how they were speaking with halfway and he said, I, you know, when I turn the film on, like when we stop it, if I don't see all 11 dudes in the film, you're off the field. Like, if you're not hustling to the ball, if you're not playing hard, you're not in there. So I guess he does hold a very high standard. And also Josh Jacobs, the dude's awesome. Like, why every single week I feel like catching the ball out of the backfield. When he runs the ball, he runs so hard. These jump cuts making guys just look. Look just bad. Every single week. I love what he can do.
- [223:32]
Pat McAfee
What a signing. Yeah.
- [223:34]
Ty Schmidt
Madness.
- [223:34]
Gumpy
Huge.
- [223:35]
Pat McAfee
So good Dog lafleur. So handsome. So handsome. So good.
- [223:43]
Ty Schmidt
Smart lad.
- [223:44]
Pat McAfee
His winning percentages are going to be absurd too. Whenever he gets to every single year, as his career has started as a head coach. Good for the Packers. Is this a year you going?
- [223:53]
Boston Connor
It might be the year.
- [223:54]
Pat McAfee
Holy. The 14 year trend.
- [223:56]
Boston Connor
It might be the year. I don't know. We'll see. You know, still got a lot, a lot to play for.
- [224:01]
Pat McAfee
Brett Favre and Gastono makeup.
- [224:03]
Boston Connor
I think Favre said, hey, you ever do that again embarrass me like that, we'll knock your teeth out.
- [224:08]
Pat McAfee
I don't think.
- [224:08]
Boston Connor
And I think that was the end of it.
- [224:09]
AJ Hawk
And I thought I saw someone reported they had dinner after that.
- [224:12]
Pat McAfee
Did they? Okay, good. Did you guys watch the New York sack exchange?
- [224:16]
Boston Connor
Nah. I could care less.
- [224:17]
Pat McAfee
That guy that knocked, Geez a game.
- [224:20]
Ty Schmidt
Invented the sack dance.
- [224:21]
Pat McAfee
Boom. He Invented sack dances.
- [224:23]
Boston Connor
Believe me, I saw all the clips I needed to. Mark Asino got a pretty high opinion of himself.
- [224:29]
Pat McAfee
Oh my God. Play great football.
- [224:35]
Boston Connor
I was say a lot of ex teammates coming out saying like, yeah, this guy sucks, you know, but. But hey, he should be in the hall of Fame.
- [224:43]
Pat McAfee
He should be.
- [224:44]
Boston Connor
He should be, be.
- [224:45]
Pat McAfee
And he invented the sack dance.
- [224:49]
Ty Schmidt
Were sick too. Did you see him? Yeah, they were nuts.
- [224:53]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, he's shaking at one point.
- [224:55]
Ty Schmidt
Crazy man.
- [224:56]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, he is. He's Louise. But all of this led us to learning of him and his story.
- [225:01]
Boston Connor
Exactly. All worth it.
- [225:04]
Pat McAfee
I don't express the same opinion as you about him, but you've certainly done a little bit more research.
- [225:09]
Boston Connor
Well, no, I'm just like I said, he should be in the hall of Fame. Seems like that's really all he cares about. So I. I understand that, you know, old guy like that, who. He's. He's obviously he's. He's carrying a lot of demons with him and he, he wants to get in the hall of Fame. So we can at least let's. Let's throw the guy a bone and.
- [225:25]
Pat McAfee
Put him in the hall.
- [225:25]
AJ Hawk
Put him in.
- [225:26]
Darius Butler
Has he been close? Semi finalist, finalists, Anything on the list?
- [225:30]
Pat McAfee
You know, we certainly have looked into it.
- [225:32]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, no, it's been close.
- [225:34]
Pat McAfee
That's kind of a part of the problem though is. Yeah, exactly. We're just looking of all this now, right?
- [225:38]
Ty Schmidt
Really close.
- [225:40]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, yeah, it's been. He's been on the edge. Gaston. No.
- [225:47]
Ty Schmidt
Bingo.
- [225:48]
Pat McAfee
I could tell he'd be so pissed.
- [225:49]
Ty Schmidt
Maybe next year, Mark.
- [225:51]
Pat McAfee
How about. How about Gasta. No.
- [225:54]
Boston Connor
Yeah, I can see if they're calling him and doing that when he's just sitting in that room waiting for the call. Yeah, it's gonna be a gasta no for me. But just hanging up that, you know, I could see how that could, you.
- [226:06]
Ty Schmidt
Know, breaking them, maybe sending a couple people to his house. Yep.
- [226:09]
Pat McAfee
But one year it's going to be.
- [226:10]
Gumpy
Don't do that.
- [226:11]
Pat McAfee
It's gonna be a gas. The yes. It's gonna be a nasty yes.
- [226:15]
Ty Schmidt
This is the year, Mark, you're a finalist.
- [226:18]
Pat McAfee
Gas to hell. Yeah. Gas to hell. Yes. We're pulling for you, Mr. Gaston.
- [226:23]
Ty Schmidt
They're gonna up his bust.
- [226:26]
Pat McAfee
They better not. They better not even think about it.
- [226:30]
Ty Schmidt
They're gonna.
- [226:30]
Boston Connor
It would dare.
- [226:31]
Pat McAfee
We saw him throwing them jabs.
- [226:33]
Boston Connor
Yeah, exactly.
- [226:34]
Gumpy
Professional boxer, man.
- [226:36]
Pat McAfee
They had that camera real close on his head. It was. It was on a screen that I was walking by and it was just his head. New York sack exchange and then I happened to catch the caption. I created a second. Yeah, I'm like, all right, this guy. Yeah, this is the guy that almost fought Brett Ford. That's right. This guy who had the sack record. He created a sack dance. But this guy was a character back in a day.
- [226:57]
Boston Connor
Oh, yeah, still is. Still is.
- [227:00]
Ty Schmidt
Still bringing it.
- [227:00]
Boston Connor
Still bringing it.
- [227:01]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [227:03]
Gumpy
You have some high profile relationships, too. Like movie stars.
- [227:06]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, I saw something about that.
- [227:08]
Pat McAfee
He's a movie star. Mar. Caught a clip of that the other day. Gilligan's Island. You ever see that show?
- [227:22]
Gumpy
Nope.
- [227:22]
Boston Connor
Classic.
- [227:23]
Pat McAfee
Never saw it.
- [227:24]
Gumpy
No.
- [227:24]
Ty Schmidt
Never.
- [227:25]
Pat McAfee
Not a single episode.
- [227:26]
AJ Hawk
Not used to come on the mornings.
- [227:27]
Pat McAfee
Darius, you ever seen a single?
- [227:29]
Darius Butler
I know of the show. Never watched it, though.
- [227:30]
Pat McAfee
Not a single episode.
- [227:32]
Darius Butler
I wouldn't say that. Just not memorable at all.
- [227:36]
Boston Connor
What?
- [227:36]
Pat McAfee
Take it easy. Not memorable at all. You. I'm out.
- [227:42]
Darius Butler
Then it looked like AJ knew the song.
- [227:45]
Pat McAfee
Aj you know Gilligan's Island, I assume.
- [227:47]
Gumpy
I know Gilgan's Island. I. I've seen the people. I mean, I think I've seen the intro. I've never seen an episode, though.
- [227:51]
Pat McAfee
That's what I was trying to think in my head is, do I know anything other than the entrance he used.
- [227:55]
AJ Hawk
To come on before Saved by the Bell on tbs. Yeah, that's how we used to catch it.
- [228:01]
Gumpy
I mean, that's from like the 70s, isn't it?
- [228:03]
AJ Hawk
No, I'd say 90s.
- [228:05]
Gumpy
Yeah. Definitely not 99.
- [228:07]
Pat McAfee
They're always so close to getting off the 90s. I was born in black and white.
- [228:11]
Boston Connor
I was born.
- [228:11]
Pat McAfee
Gilligan's island was in black and white.
- [228:13]
AJ Hawk
No, it wasn't.
- [228:14]
Pat McAfee
Wasn't it? And then it transitioned to color. Okay, so I've never seen the black and white episodes. Just so we understand. That first episode was in the 60s, I guess.
- [228:24]
AJ Hawk
I was born 88. And I saw him. So tell me how.
- [228:26]
Gumpy
I saw the reruns, brother.
- [228:29]
AJ Hawk
That's not how.
- [228:29]
Pat McAfee
No, they were ridges. 87. Like this TV show.
- [228:35]
Gumpy
67 was last year.
- [228:37]
Bill Belichick
Holy.
- [228:38]
Darius Butler
67. Look, his island.
- [228:41]
Pat McAfee
No way.
- [228:43]
Gumpy
There's 90% of seasons.
- [228:45]
Pat McAfee
Good show. Hold on. 1960. So they. What? Why is the thing in color up there? That's blue and gold, right?
- [228:52]
AJ Hawk
That's how I saw it, brother.
- [228:53]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, me too. They had color episodes.
- [228:55]
AJ Hawk
90% rotten tomatoes. That's a high score.
- [228:59]
Pat McAfee
That's going to show.
- [229:00]
Ty Schmidt
Hey, color TV in 60.
- [229:01]
Pat McAfee
That's what I'm saying. What the hell?
- [229:03]
AJ Hawk
The Skipper and his wife were quite the couple. Marianne, too, I guess.
- [229:10]
Pat McAfee
They were very old. Whenever we were watching Skipper didn't have a wife on the show.
- [229:13]
AJ Hawk
I don't know. Young Tony remembers this quite differently.
- [229:16]
Pat McAfee
The doctor is the. The super smart one was the. He was always trying to work something. He had to figure it out.
- [229:23]
Boston Connor
That's the crew.
- [229:24]
Ty Schmidt
Okay.
- [229:26]
AJ Hawk
What's up, Marianne?
- [229:27]
Ty Schmidt
Is that Greeny? Bottom, middle?
- [229:29]
Pat McAfee
That's Gilligan. That is Greeny. Holy.
- [229:35]
Ty Schmidt
Oh, no.
- [229:37]
Pat McAfee
It does kind of look like Gilligan out there.
- [229:39]
Gumpy
Who's top left? Why is he all.
- [229:41]
Pat McAfee
That's a millionaire. That's millionaire.
- [229:43]
Gumpy
He's upset.
- [229:44]
AJ Hawk
There was a storm. They got shipwrecked.
- [229:45]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. There was supposed to be a three hour tour. A three hour tour. All right, let's get back to another overreaction. Wow. That was crazy. I would not have pinned it on 1967.
- [230:07]
AJ Hawk
I was just doing it.
- [230:08]
Pat McAfee
That's what we thought. Yeah. All right, let's go to the next overreaction, shall we? This is from Bronze Ham New York Knicks fan at Blue Boyden. Hashtag. I don't want to overreact, but if you Google mediocrity, you will find a video clip of Chris Ballard telling us for the fifth year in a row that he likes our guys. These are not the same Colts I grew up with. They don't deserve our love. Fire everyone into the sun. Says Braun Sim. He might be an out of stater. I don't think you become a Knicks fan. Sure. If you're in Indiana, maybe just to kind of be combative with your Pacer fan friends who grew up on Reggie Miller in the Knicks situation. Nonetheless. Yeah, I don't. I don't know, man. I don't know what to say.
- [230:55]
Boston Connor
Yeah. Saw the return of Coach Stinking quite a bit this morning.
- [230:58]
Pat McAfee
No. Yeah. Yeah.
- [230:59]
Ty Schmidt
That's what I was gonna ask you. If you think he's safe.
- [231:02]
Pat McAfee
I don't know what reality is.
- [231:03]
AJ Hawk
He's safe.
- [231:04]
Pat McAfee
I have no idea. He's paid. A bunch. A bunch of people on that team were paid. Yeah. And Stichen just got here. While last year. He had Gardner Minshew last year. Now he's got Anthony Richardson on his rookie year. Jim Merce, normally a very actual patient. We're not turning things over. Okay. Would like some consistency around here. He is. Which he's certainly displayed with Chris Ballard for this entire time. So I have no idea what reality is. I don't know what the future looks like. We have enough talent, ability, and skill and scheme. They gotta flip that building, though. We gotta be having people late to meetings and missing treatment and not working hard like that. Can't happen happen. I don't know. And I don't know how you put the toothpaste back in the tube. You know, I don't know how you.
- [231:49]
Gumpy
If that's happening, like if that continues to happen, it's very tough to stop it. Especially in the middle of a season.
- [231:54]
Pat McAfee
Middle of season or just middle of a regime. Right? Yeah.
- [232:00]
Gumpy
Once it's like kids, like parenting kids, you let them get away with one thing, they're going to continue to push it, you know, and then just multiplies.
- [232:07]
Pat McAfee
Then how do you just turn it off? I don't know. But I think I hope they're able to do it. So whatever happens to your future, I'm pulling for all you.
- [232:13]
Ty Schmidt
Hell yeah.
- [232:13]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [232:14]
Darius Butler
Good luck.
- [232:16]
Pat McAfee
Yelly. You talk about affability though. You know we talk about the and everything. It would be cool if they were good. It'd be cool if they were good. It will be.
- [232:30]
Ty Schmidt
I will say there there was one other guy I forgot to mention and I think he would probably work in New England and Indianapolis been talked about as much. Rabel think I think you put vle in either building cold sore Patriots says.
- [232:45]
Pat McAfee
Hey this how we're doing things. They're going he's in the Browns building right now and they ain't.
- [232:50]
Ty Schmidt
Well he's not in there enough.
- [232:51]
Pat McAfee
That's not his fault. I mean he's not leading the speeches. He's not leading the culture. Culture already happened.
- [232:56]
Ty Schmidt
He's raising Jamis.
- [232:57]
AJ Hawk
We're going to see James get benched on Hard Knocks.
- [232:59]
Pat McAfee
What's that rough.
- [233:00]
AJ Hawk
Are we going to see James get Ben hard?
- [233:02]
Pat McAfee
That was tough.
- [233:02]
Ty Schmidt
If they bench Jamis, delete all the Browns footage. I don't want to see anything about him.
- [233:07]
Pat McAfee
I don't care. It's DTR's world now.
- [233:10]
Ty Schmidt
I want to see that's confirmed.
- [233:11]
Pat McAfee
Nope. But kinda I hope not.
- [233:13]
Darius Butler
I want to see him put Miles Garrett eye back in his eye.
- [233:16]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [233:16]
AJ Hawk
Did you see it on the field?
- [233:18]
Darius Butler
I would like to see that footage. What happened?
- [233:20]
Pat McAfee
How about Tuni we talked about a little bit earlier. I don't know if we got AJ's take. How about toonie guard center saying you know what? Yeah I'll go play tackle against the guy. Remember he said I'm guy. Yeah in that entire thing gets him a big time win.
- [233:30]
Gumpy
Ridiculous. People think all people think all o linemen like they're all the same position. Going from left guard to right guard is a huge adjustment that people do not want to do.
- [233:39]
Pat McAfee
Most players let alone going from Hard.
- [233:41]
Gumpy
To tackle the toughest spot on the offensive line where you're put on an island over and over again against a great guy like Miles Garrett.
- [233:48]
Pat McAfee
But they've been needing that, you know, all season. So I wonder when Tuni started saying enough is enough. Hey, I can, I can.
- [233:55]
Gumpy
Let me go. Kick, slide.
- [233:56]
Pat McAfee
I can. What do you need me? I just need to get to a spot, right? Don't matter if I backpedal. And then once I get my paws on them. Yeah, guys are gonna think their eyes are. Yep. What do you think? He's not doing that well.
- [234:06]
Boston Connor
Miles Garrett made it seem like he did that.
- [234:08]
Pat McAfee
What?
- [234:08]
Boston Connor
He's stepping back in.
- [234:09]
Pat McAfee
Pop, that's not what he did. No, that's not what he did.
- [234:13]
Boston Connor
No, I know, but Miles Garrett acted like he got shot in the head with a, you know, tommy gun. So I didn't know if maybe he had knives on his finger fingers or something.
- [234:22]
Pat McAfee
So then when Miles Garrett comes back in, he has that visor. I wonder if Toony's fingers are okay because.
- [234:27]
Boston Connor
Oh, yeah, good point. Wow. He's probably got five broken appendages today. Or maybe he does just pop, pop.
- [234:33]
Pat McAfee
Pop, pop, pop, pop.
- [234:37]
Boston Connor
Gas to know.
- [234:38]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, yeah.
- [234:39]
Boston Connor
You never know.
- [234:40]
Pat McAfee
Jalen Carter.
- [234:41]
Boston Connor
Yeah, exactly.
- [234:42]
Pat McAfee
Jalen Carter. But the opposite. Get to another overreaction, shall we? Maybe we don't know. Yeah, this is from Pop, Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. No, you missed it. It's just three PAs.
- [235:01]
Boston Connor
Yeah, my mistake.
- [235:04]
Pat McAfee
E. Hashtag, I did not know this was coming.
- [235:09]
AJ Hawk
It's pretty good.
- [235:10]
Pat McAfee
Hashtag, I don't overreact, but this Chiefs team isn't pretty. Between injuries and our best players not performing, no one is giving the Chiefs a chance this year. And despite that, this is the best Chiefs team we have ever had. It'll be a cakewalk to a three peat chiefskingdom. I like to hear that. I like to hear a little optimism. This team's number one, the afc. This team's the back to back super bowl champions. And there's never any like confidence in talking about them being great. There's never any like, yes, he's going to go do it. It's always like, how did they. Oh, my homes is hurt. Has Travis Scales, he scored a touchdown yet? What? There's always some negative that you can nitpick, but they win games and yesterday they covered. And now Patrick Mahomes with the high ankle sprain. Multiple games here in the next 11 days. Will he play? Will he come back? Because he's been incredibly tough throughout his entire career. Or.
- [236:06]
Adam Schefter
Yeah.
- [236:10]
Pat McAfee
That'S the sound of a duck hunt led by Carson Wentz. Is he gonna be the quarterback of the Kansas City Chiefs for the next couple weeks on Christmas Day on Netflix?
- [236:18]
Ty Schmidt
Can't wait.
- [236:19]
Darius Butler
Please need it.
- [236:21]
Pat McAfee
Xavier Worthy on that team, too. Carson Wentz is going to be trying his best. Yeah. Runs 4, 2 on this team, man. Oh, my God.
- [236:30]
Boston Connor
Carson wentz throws for 500 yards and six touchdowns.
- [236:33]
Pat McAfee
There is a chance.
- [236:33]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, but there's also a chance. He walked into the facility this morning with highlights of him playing with two broken ankles and showing him the Patrick Holmes saying, hey, you can do it, buddy.
- [236:42]
Pat McAfee
Oh, okay. You think he's potentially saying, you. You ever see me? Yeah. Two sprains is what they called me.
- [236:48]
Darius Butler
Yep.
- [236:49]
Pat McAfee
One wasn't enough. I want to sprain the other one to let people know you could do this. You think that's what he said about Patrick something?
- [236:55]
AJ Hawk
Patrick, I've been there before. You take your time. I can handle this next couple weeks.
- [236:58]
Pat McAfee
Don't hit this.
- [237:00]
Ty Schmidt
Can't wait.
- [237:01]
AJ Hawk
I played with two sprains. It ruined my career. You should sit out a couple weeks.
- [237:04]
Pat McAfee
And then Xavier Worley's down there somewhere.
- [237:06]
Boston Connor
Yeah, he'll find it.
- [237:07]
Pat McAfee
God bless is what he'll say. Steelers. Steelers.
- [237:11]
AJ Hawk
Having to play Wentz on Christmas is my worst.
- [237:13]
Pat McAfee
Yes, it should be.
- [237:14]
AJ Hawk
I'd much rather play Patrick Mahomes.
- [237:19]
Pat McAfee
Okay.
- [237:19]
AJ Hawk
You know what he's gonna do?
- [237:20]
Ty Schmidt
That's what Wentz does.
- [237:21]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, you don't know what Wentz is gonna do.
- [237:23]
Pat McAfee
Dude. Good luck out there, Wentz. Chiefs. And Godspeed. Pats behind his ankle and all Chiefs fans. All right, last overreaction. That was the last one. Okay, perfect. Let's make our picks now. Ladies and gentlemen, there's two games tonight. Bears at Vikings, Falcons and Raiders. AJ has won this weekend against the spread. Congratulations to you, sir. Let's start with Darius J. Butler debutch both games, please. Who you picking? How you taking?
- [237:48]
Darius Butler
Let's go. I'm not even gonna make this long at all. Minnesota Vikings Kings win and cover. They stay hot. Sam Darnold put up a bunch of points tonight against the stinky, stinky Bears. And then Kirk Cousins bounces back against the Las Vegas Raiders. They win and they cover out in Vegas.
- [238:05]
Pat McAfee
Okay, you join 80% plus on those two bets. A lot of heavy favorite betting this evening. A.J. you're seeing the board very well. Tone Diggs has an updated percentage.
- [238:15]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, I just saw. Well, yeah, the 80% still on the Viking Vikings, 88 on the Falcons. But I just saw us that NFL favorites of more than three points are 71 against the spread this week.
- [238:25]
Pat McAfee
Okay, so will that continue this evening? AJ's 11 and three on the week thus far. Who do you like, AJ?
- [238:32]
Gumpy
You know, bears, Vikings, I think ultimate trap game for this Vikings team. But I think they win and they cover. Give me Vikings -7 and Falcons. Raiders. This is Kirk Cousins. Re coming out party. Coming out again. Just to let you know, I still got and I still have it. My Achilles feels okay. Shefty. I know Shefty said he hasn't played the same, but he had a nice little stretch there before he hit a tough patch. But Falcons minus six and a half.
- [238:53]
Pat McAfee
All right, I agree with both of those. With both of you and everybody else, I'm trying to get closer to.500 on a week because this is the worst weekend I've had thus far. But we'll start seeing the board much better. All of us. We can't thank you enough for joining us. We're back tomorrow with an Aaron Rodgers Tuesday. Hey, big win. Big win. He was scooting too. Can't wait to hear his thoughts on everything happening in the world. And we'll be back tomorrow. Be a friend, Tell a friend something nice. It might change your life. We're in this thing together. Enjoy the games tonight. 8:00 on ESPN. No, I'm sorry. On ABC. 8:30 on ESPN. Two games. We'll talk about that and more tomorrow. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. Might change your life. We're in this thing together. Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three. Good night. Family, friends, bosses, teachers, assistants. The gift giving list gets longer every year. Hey, it's ESPN's Jen Latta. But you've got it covered because you're using Omaha Steaks right now. You can save on unforgettable gifts with 50% off site wide at Omaha steaks.com plus you'll score an extra $30 off with the promo code TPMS. Nothing says comfort and joy like Omaha Steaks, the trusted name in premium quality and incredible taste. There really is something for everyone because they're gifting. Experts at Omaha Steaks have put together thoughtfully curated gift packages featuring gourmet favorites. They offer amazing desserts like cheesecake and molten lava cakes which would make any meal special. This holiday season. Gift something memorable and meaningful. From legendary steaks to mouth watering desserts and more. Save 50% off site wide for a limited time at Omaha Steaks.com plus our listeners get an extra $30 off with the promo code TPMS. That's 50% off at OmahaStakes.com and an extra $30 off with promo code TPMS. Minimum purchase may apply. Omaha Steaks has you covered this gift giving season. Hey ESPN subscribers, Get even more of the sports and teams you love. You can now stream six months of SiriusXM on us for even more. Live games, sports, sports, talk, music and podcast all at your fingertips wherever you go. Score Even more with ESPN and get 6 months of the SiriusXM app. Today you just need an active ESPN plus subscription. Get all the details@espnplus.com SiriusXM eligibility and offer details.
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Darius Butler
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