PMS 2.0 1264 - SMU Head Coach Rhett Lashlee, Indiana Head Coach Curt Cignetti, JJ Watt, AQ Shipley, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1264

Release Date: December 18, 2024
Host: Pat McAfee
Guests: SMU Head Coach Rhett Lashlee, Indiana Head Coach Curt Cignetti, Former NFL Player JJ Watt, AQ Shipley, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk

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1. Introduction

In episode 1264 of "The Pat McAfee Show," host Pat McAfee brings together a dynamic lineup of guests, including SMU Head Coach Rhett Lashlee, Indiana Head Coach Curt Cignetti, NFL veteran JJ Watt, and key contributors AQ Shipley, Darius Butler, and AJ Hawk. The episode dives deep into the latest in college football playoffs, NFL quarterback dynamics, and the evolving landscape of college athletics.

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2. College Football Playoffs and Team Preparations

a. SMU Mustangs and Coach Rhett Lashlee

SMU has made a significant stride by securing a spot in the inaugural 12-team College Football Playoff. Head Coach Rhett Lashlee shares insights into the team's rapid ascent, highlighting the strategic recruitment and the importance of team culture.

• Notable Quote:
  "We've won 22 games in the last two years and played in the conference championship game the last two years. Being in the CFP is a huge deal for us."
  — Rhett Lashlee [24:52]

Coach Lashlee emphasizes the impact of the transfer portal and NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) policies in reshaping team rosters, allowing programs like SMU to attract top talent swiftly.

b. Indiana Hoosiers and Coach Curt Cignetti

Indiana Head Coach Curt Cignetti discusses the challenges and opportunities presented by the transfer portal and NIL, balancing academic commitments with athletic excellence.

• Notable Quote:
  "The transfer portal is a game changer, but it's also a headache for these College Football Playoff teams."
  — Curt Cignetti [50:15]

Cignetti highlights the rigorous demands on student-athletes, noting the difficulty of juggling academic responsibilities with the high stakes of playoff preparations.

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3. NFL Quarterback Dynamics: Atlanta Falcons

The discussion shifts to the NFL, focusing on the Atlanta Falcons' quarterback situation. With Kirk Cousins being benched in favor of rookie Michael Penix Jr., the conversation explores the implications for team dynamics and future performance.

• Notable Quote:
  "Kirk Cousins is going to be okay. He's a competitor, but this move is a massive step for the Falcons' future."
  — Pat McAfee [14:55]

Guests debate whether Cousins will adapt to a backup role or seek opportunities elsewhere, while Penix Jr.'s potential impact on the Falcons' offensive strategy is analyzed.

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4. Player Spotlight: JJ Watt and Defensive Strategies

Former NFL player JJ Watt contributes to the conversation by discussing defensive strategies, player injuries, and the mental resilience required in professional football.

• Notable Quote:
  "Confidence is key. Without it, even the best players can falter under pressure."
  — JJ Watt [14:55]

Watt underscores the importance of maintaining confidence on the field, especially when facing injuries or adapting to new roles within a team.

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5. Innovations and Challenges in College Athletics

The episode delves into broader topics affecting college sports, including the impact of recent NCAA policies, the role of business executives like the Thunderbirds in supporting athletic programs, and the evolving nature of recruitment and team management.

• Notable Quote:
  "College football's pageantry and tradition are what make it so electrifying. We're in a very important time for the sport."
  — Pat McAfee [07:45]

Pat McAfee highlights the significance of maintaining tradition while embracing modern changes such as NIL and the transfer portal, ensuring that college football continues to thrive as a premier sporting event.

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6. Humorous Interludes and Community Engagement

Throughout the episode, the conversation intersperses light-hearted banter and humorous segments, including playful discussions about everyday topics like Pop Tarts and humorous takes on team rituals. These moments add a relatable and entertaining dimension to the show, engaging listeners beyond the main athletic discussions.

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7. Closing Remarks

As the show wraps up, Pat McAfee reflects on the multifaceted nature of football—from the high-stakes playoff games to the personal stories of players and coaches. Emphasizing community and the shared passion for the sport, McAfee thanks his guests and listeners, looking forward to the upcoming games and the continued evolution of football.

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Conclusion

Episode 1264 of "The Pat McAfee Show" offers a comprehensive exploration of current events in college and professional football, enriched by expert insights from coaches and players. Balancing serious analysis with moments of levity, Pat McAfee creates an engaging narrative that keeps fans informed and entertained.

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Note: Timestamps are approximate and correspond to the sections where notable quotes were mentioned.

Transcript

[Pat McAfee]

Hello beautiful people and welcome to our holly jolly humble. The boat, the thunder. Now on this watt. Wednesday, December 18, 2024. This program starts now.

[Darius Butler]

Football.

[Pat McAfee]

It's wonderful and there's massive news out of the football world. But before we get to that, I have to say the group of humans around me that I get to work with every day are so damn electrifying. The talks at tables here at Boston Conner and at Ty Schmidt, a nine year NFL vet, host of everything db Good D, Bad D, which will be debut this week's episode later on in the show, Darius Gary. And ladies and gentlemen, wearing a secret Society hoodie, a 12 year NFL vet, Super bowl champion player, coach Jackie Moon of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, center and fullback for the Arizona Cardinals, center and wedge, king of the wedge for kickoff returns for the Indianapolis Colts, center and guard for the Baltimore Ravens, center for the Pittsburgh Steelers, center for the Philadelphia Eagles. Ladies and gentlemen, AQ Shipley.

[Darius Butler]

What's up, boys?

[Pat McAfee]

Did I get all this right?

[Darius Butler]

Nailed it.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Are you winning over your friends in a Thunderbird?

[Darius Butler]

I think so. It's a big, huge move. Pretty cool.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. He's all jacked up. Yeah, he is. I would like to let everybody know he just put this hoodie on. And the Thunderbirds are a group of, I believe, business people out in Arizona, which you call home and really make the city a better place.

[Darius Butler]

Give a ton of money back to Phoenix charities. Big deal.

[Pat McAfee]

This guy's one of the pillars of Phoenix, Arizona. Wow.

[Darius Butler]

Looks like it.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what it is.

[Darius Butler]

Did you see the hoodie he took.

[Pat McAfee]

Off to put that one on? Yeah, that's what I was about to get into. The hoodie he had on earlier was a one of one.

[AQ Shipley]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

It was a size 4X throwback.

[Darius Butler]

Throwback.

[Pat McAfee]

It was certainly Remington trophy is what it says. And the Remington award is the best interior lineman, best center, best center in the country, which he won at Penn State.

[AQ Shipley]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Fun fact. The award show. Even though he was announced the winner before the award show because they weren't going to give any TV time to the best center in the country.

[Darius Butler]

Fair enough.

[Pat McAfee]

At the award show.

[Darius Butler]

Smart move.

[Pat McAfee]

That is where AQ and I hung out for the first time. That's right down there. And I'll tell you what, we did it. We did Disney.

[Darius Butler]

We burned it down.

[Pat McAfee]

We were the only ones, I think, of the players that went out there and kind of had a good time out there. Us walking back into the hotel at whatever time it was legitimately whatever time it was three or four and There was somebody standing outside from ESPN with like a checklist like, okay, you were the last two. So now that we know everybody's here for the award show, we're like, don't judge us.

[Darius Butler]

Didn't know there was a current fee.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. We had no idea. It was a celebration. I thought we were having a good time. But you had a one of one hoodie on that basically you won alongside this trophy that they gave to you down at the awards show. Look how young a cute. Look at that hair. Look at everything about it. And then not only did he get that trophy, he got a 1 of 14 x hoodie that he was wearing around earlier. And I was hoping he'd wear it on the show because we are in the awards season for college ball. We are in a very important time for college ball. I also did think maybe he would wear a Penn State hoodie like he has in the past.

[Darius Butler]

Maybe.

[Pat McAfee]

Because Penn State has a massive college football playoff game this weekend at noon on Saturday against SMU. SM. SMU's head coach Rhett Lashley will be joining us in about 17 minutes or so. Yes. To chit chat about how they're kind of preparing for a big one in Happy Valley. Yeah. Big, big noon kickoff for Penn State. SMU and obviously war in their tight end. Absolute dog. And there's a story about the backup quarterback, Bo who had to get in a transfer portal. James Franklin. Wasn't that that pumped up about it? But Penn State has SMU and then they potentially have Arizona State. Whoever wins this game gets into the next round. So big one for. But if you wanted tickets for any college football playoff game, any one of them, big deal. This is a big deal.

[Darius Butler]

Huge games, expensive.

[Pat McAfee]

Remember, the home field advantage was one of the big things.

[Darius Butler]

Oh yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Like having so we could showcase our environment and culture and everything. Like that cheapest ticket in all of sports to get into this weekend. SMU at Penn State. 60 bucks.

[Darius Butler]

Oh my goodness.

[Pat McAfee]

I think it's actually 59 bucks is the cheapest ticket that you get. So $1 lower than it. It was at 60, then it was at 68 in the last 12 hours. Now it's at $59. Obviously, SeatGeek, the greatest ticket buying platform on planet Earth and the moon supplies that. But then you go back to when Penn State was in the Big Ten championship out here in Indianapolis, Indiana.

[Darius Butler]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

And remember, it was 20 bucks to get in. What the hell is going on? Is Penn State not able to sell a ticket? What. What is. I think it's like the average ticket buying price for the Notre Dame IU game when a resale price after the thing was announced was like over 1000 bucks, I think it was.

[Darius Butler]

I don't know if it's 12, 1300.

[Pat McAfee]

That was the average resale price for these tickets to get into iu. Notre Dame, now that's a Hoosier battle. And there's a lot of history in those two fan bases, mostly because the IU football fan base, a majority of them were Notre Dame football fans for a long time because they were the football team from Indiana that they would cheer on. Now they have a football team. That's going to be an awesome environment up there. Over a thousand bucks to get in there. Penn State game, 12 team playoff game.

[Darius Butler]

Price of a hot dog. See, who cares?

[Pat McAfee]

Bowl this weekend, 60 bucks to get in. What the hell is going on up there?

[Darius Butler]

That's a great question. But I do know the Big Ten championship, they showed up. I think, I think it was Oregon that didn't want to come this way. But this game concerns me a little bit.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, well, why is it concerns me a little bit? Are we not going to fill up? Well, is that place not going to fill up?

[Darius Butler]

No. See, I don't want to make a lot of excuses, but I think the kids are out of school. They're going home. Finals are done.

[Pat McAfee]

Everybody. You don't think the Catholics are out of school?

[Darius Butler]

Wow.

[Pat McAfee]

See, Christmas week, you don't. You don't think that is. Is a story?

[Darius Butler]

That's probably a story in most places. I'm not real sure what's going on up there in Happy Valley. I don't like it one bit, though.

[Pat McAfee]

Can you put the, the full bracket up of the seatgeek average resale ticket price thing? That one up there? No, the. The Brat. Yep, there it is. Okay, so Texas, how many seats are in there?

[Darius Butler]

100.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, big Ohio State. How many seats are in there?

[Darius Butler]

What, 80 plus?

[Pat McAfee]

No, I think it's 100. Penn State, how many people in there?

[Darius Butler]

100.

[Pat McAfee]

So nobody else is seemingly having a problem with it being 100,000 plus.

[Darius Butler]

That's weird.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, Notre Dame does not have 100,000, but their resale price since it was announced, 10, 13 bucks. So all we want to. The Penn State fans were great at the Big Ten championship. They were very loud. And once Again, use code PAT2024. You get $30 off any ticket, not just the College Football Playoff, any NFL game, any NHL game, any N game, which maybe they need to move some tickets out there. At the NBA Cup?

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, maybe hand them out maybe.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Darius Butler]

Hey, you want to go see a ball game anyways?

[Pat McAfee]

CK has tickets, everything. Get 30 bucks off with Pat. 22024 AQ. They better fill that place up.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, it'll get filled up. It might get filled up for 20 bucks a ticket, but it's going to get filled up.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, good. Because I think one of the best things about this 12 team playoff is a lot of people who maybe don't watch college football are going to get a chance to experience what college football. Yes. It is the sport of football on the field. Now, is it a different style of football than NFL football? Which NFL football gets like 50 some million people to watch, 20 some million people to watch and college football still has a chance to go get it and grow the fan base. Football fans still can grow into college ball. I was excited for them to get to see these home field environments in like experience college ball. Because the pageantry, the tradition, the passion, that is all a massive piece of why college football is so damn electrifying. Now we're getting get a hot dog and a ticket to a game up there. That's one of the best fan bases like in the north.

[Darius Butler]

Is it? Was is it?

[Pat McAfee]

They are. We've experienced it at Lucas Oil. They were loud.

[Darius Butler]

They were.

[Pat McAfee]

They were very loud.

[Darius Butler]

You experienced it on the field before the game. It was a noon game. That's where they missed the mark. This should be a night game.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, they're going to the Horseshoe.

[Darius Butler]

I know.

[Pat McAfee]

Tennessee.

[Darius Butler]

This game's on like, like true TV or something.

[Pat McAfee]

Is it really?

[Darius Butler]

I think so. Tv. What is happening?

[Pat McAfee]

Hope you guys win.

[Darius Butler]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

Party too. We'll talk to Red here in about 12 minutes. We'll see how they're feeling going in there. And maybe SMU needs to just pluck that entire.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, get up there.

[Pat McAfee]

Pluck the entire.

[Darius Butler]

They should.

[Pat McAfee]

What if SMU invades Happy Valley? What. What if we are in a.

[Darius Butler]

You.

[Pat McAfee]

What if they do that?

[Darius Butler]

If I had a guess, what are their colors? Blue and red, right? Blue, red. You're gonna see a little. A little smidget Blue, red, top right corner of the stadium. That's what you're gonna see.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, anything could be the top right depending upon how you look at the stadium. Obviously if you look one direction, top right is top right. Then you look another direction and it might actually be back left. But I understand what you're saying.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

[Pat McAfee]

Up where somewhere there will be a Tiny sliver of SMU fans and that's all they'll need. They said they're being counted out. They don't look for home field advantage. They're just happy they're in the dance. We'll talk to rhett in about 10 minutes or so. That is alarming, though.

[Darius Butler]

Not good while.

[Pat McAfee]

Especially with how like they are real.

[Darius Butler]

Well, I don't, I don't like the whole like. Well, you know, it's so close to Christmas. It's like you don't think family, like, it's, it's not on Christmas. It's the weekend before Christmas. Families go in there, you do it for one day, you go. And it's not like the tickets are 1,000 bucks. I mean, these cheapskates aren't going to spend 60 bucks on a ticket to get into a playoff game. What world are we in right now?

[Pat McAfee]

Well, it's hard to get there though, remember? Very hard to get up there.

[Darius Butler]

Sure. So, yeah, but kids that are already there, like, you don't just go home after finals because there's nothing to do. It's like, hey, this is kind of where college gets fun. There's nothing to do. You can kind of just party and then get ready for the College Football Playoff game that you've been working for all year.

[Pat McAfee]

And then what? Then you're going home to Christmas.

[Darius Butler]

Then you're going home and getting a bunch of presents.

[Pat McAfee]

This is a hell of a. Yeah, this is a nine day run here of awesome, historic. Everybody else experiencing it. Hopefully Penn State will as well. Speaking of having a good run, let's Hope Michael Penix Jr. Has one of those. Hell yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, Kirk Cousins has been benched by the Atlanta Falcons and the 8th overall pick in this past year's draft will be the new starter going forward. Now if you listen to Dan Orlovsky yesterday, who didn't think this was going to happen from the conversations that he had, although after the game coach Raheem Morris said everything's going to get evaluated. We'll come back with a decision after we go through our process, yada, yada. Kind of started and ignited the conversation about maybe Michael Penix's time is now. Well, it was made official yesterday and I think the alarming thing I heard from Orlovsky yesterday was he felt like Kirk Cousins that lost his confidence. And if you lose your confidence in one of those types of positions, I guess any position in sports, especially at the professional level, that will be your downfall. You know, you hear all these people that are World renowned in sport. And they talk about the brain being the most powerful thing. Yes, you have to be able to complete the task that you're being required. You have to be able to throw a football, you have to be able to kick a football, you have to be able to hit a baseball, you have to be able to throw a pitch. That is certainly a qualifier to become a professional. But in between the years is where you become a pro or you're just a guy that was good at sports. In between the years is when you become an all Pro or just somebody that has a cup of coffee. In between the years is everything. Everybody thinks that's like IQ all the time. No, no, no. That is a confidence that you have to have in yourself that you're going to be able to complete the task that is going to make you be great for your team. So where do you get your confidence from? Well, you get it from the work that you put in practice is what leads to confidence. Because you can always fall back on your fundamentals. We think Kirk Cousins has a phenomenal work ethic when it comes to practice. So if it's not just a fundamentals issue, if he's having confidence, seeing defenses and understanding things, then that's a confidence that delays you and that's a confidence. Creates eight interceptions in four weeks, in zero touchdowns. That's the type of confidence I think is very tough to get back in the middle of a season. And now it's Michael Penix's time. And we chatted about this on draft night. Michael Penix was a very good quarterback. You know, at Indiana he was a great quarterback. Then when he went out to Washington, he was a great quarterback. He's played a lot of football. The throws that he has made is like, hey, this is a pro quarterback is a guy who should do very well at the next level, very mature, has played in a lot of games. His team loves him, he's a great leader. So whenever you draft that type of guy to go into a building, there's always going to be little murmurs about like, hey, this guy should be in here instead of Kirk. Especially because it's Kirk Cousins his first year. So then Kirk has that run of bad that he is having. Even in a win this past week, there was no conversation about him having a great game. This felt like inevitable. And I think if you're the Atlanta Falcons, you can feel both vindicated that you spent the number eight overall pick on Michael Penix Jr. Or you can still wonder, did we help add to the lack of confidence that Kirk Cousins was feeling in a situation because in practice he's watching a guy who has picked top 10 spin it all over the field. Who cares for the Falcons? They're still in the NFC south conversation. But this is a massive move for the future of the franchise.

[AQ Shipley]

Massive move. Especially because of what you just said. They're still in it like it's not like the season's done. It's not like the Bucks have locked it up, no playoff hopes and you put the rookie in and see what you have going forward. So that's huge. Dan was on yesterday and saying he didn't expect this to happen this year. And he also said that he's been hearing that everybody loves what Michael Penix has been doing in the building all year long. So you put the young kid in there, give him a chance to spin it. And when a guy like Kirk Cousins loses that confidence in the passing game, been able to anticipate, make those throws in the windows from the pocket, that's where he is. He doesn't really have another superpower to lean on like a Jalen Hurts or Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson. If they're not really seeing it, they can extend plays and make these different plays with their legs. So when you are in that pocket as a defense, I know we love a pocket quarterback. If they're not, you know, fully confident because we know exactly where they're going to be, we know exactly where we need to be in our zone drops and now it's just about reading their eyes and breaking on plays. And you. He just kind of lost. It didn't look like himself this last month or so. And you got to do this to kind of keep your team in it.

[Pat McAfee]

$180 million deal, $130 million guaranteed. That's where the business of this whole thing comes in. If they were to cut Kirk Cousins, they would take a $65 million cap hit. If they were to trade him, the 27 and a half million dollar guaranteed base salary that is for next year would go to the next team. They would eat the $37.5 million to cover the rest of the 65 million in dead cap. We've seen the den Broncos take a massive cap hit and be okay with it and say we're moving on. We don't know what's going to happen in Cleveland. Nope, that'd be up over 100 some million in dead cap money that they couldn't use on other players to build their team. So you're working at quite a disadvantage Versus every other team in the NFL, especially with the parity that there is at the top level. But if you think about money wise, Kirk Cousins is going to be a okay. Kirk Cousins going to be a okay.

[Darius Butler]

No doubt.

[Pat McAfee]

This is one of the stories of Kirk Cousins. You know, he was willing to bet on himself with the franchise tag with the Washington.

[Darius Butler]

That's back.

[Pat McAfee]

The Washington.

[Darius Butler]

The Washington. They're bringing it back. Still bringing it.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, big booms.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, big booms. It's gonna make big boom.

[Pat McAfee]

He was playing for a Washington team at the time over there in the capital of the United States of America. He took the franchise tag multiple times and said, I'm betting on myself. I'm betting on myself. Had good years. That was back when they had that coaching staff that was like Shanahan McDaniel, I believe LaFleur potentially there. McVeigh there. Like, there's a whole crew. So their offense was rolling. Raheem Morris, which is why he potentially ended up in Atlanta. So he franchise tag, had good years. Franchise tag had good years. Then he hits the open market and he was the first guy that I recall at the quarterback position taking a fully guaranteed deal instead of some gross huge money with a lot of incentives. And Kirk was pretty trailblazing and game changing whenever it came to contracts for quarterbacks, and that never stopped. He continued to do that throughout his entire career, even in this Atlanta one with 130 million guaranteed. Phenomenal businessman, both he and his agent. So he's gonna be just fine. Okay. Going forward.

[AQ Shipley]

No trade clause, too.

[Pat McAfee]

What do you mean by that?

[AQ Shipley]

So he gets to decide if he wants to waive that or not. So. Or he just says, hey, release me, pay me my money, and I go play me somewhere else. So.

[Pat McAfee]

And there will be teams. Well, there'll still be teams that will want Kirk Cousins, AQ Shipley, 1000% to be starter, to be backup, to be veteran. What do you think?

[Darius Butler]

He's a starter on 21 teams right now. We talked about it before the show. There's not many great quarterbacks in the world right now. And so when you look at that and you got a guy like him. Yeah, Okay. I think he's shouldering a lot of the blame right now, but I also think that the coordinator hasn't done a great job doing what Kirk does best. You're not seeing a lot of the play actions, you're not seeing a lot of the boots, you're not seeing a lot of the nakeds. And getting them rolling now is a lot of that to do with his anchor, his Achilles, whatever it is. Right. Who knows what's going on? But you still need to let him do what he does best, and they have not done that.

[Pat McAfee]

Could you fathom Sam Darnold signs a deal. Massive. Somewhere. Kirk cousins has what, $30 million coming no matter what. Whatever the 60 some million guaranteed.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Russell Wilson situation next year for contract and he goes back to Minnesota.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, man.

[Pat McAfee]

Could you imagine Kirk going back to Minnesota Story getting 1 million. Hey, JJ Young Buck kind of watch, watch this. Watch how this goes. You know, you got to see Sam Darnold last year for a little bit when you were back in the building. Now go ahead and watch me because Kevin O'Connell has had great success with Kirk Cousins. We know that when Kirk Cousins wasn't playing, they weren't winning. When he was playing, they were winning. Kind of like what Sam Darnold's doing right now, but much more efficient. This is Sam Darnold's first year. No matter what it's like, Kirk is going to be hot to trot next year. And I think with the way the contract is set up, there's a Russell Wilson situation looming where Steelers are only paying him 1 million bucks this year. He is a $1 million quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Wow. Against their entire salary. 43 million Denver Broncos are paying him. So he's completely a. Okay. And he's become the leader of that team making. That has to be 30 of 32 salary.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, it's bottom of the barrel.

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe 32. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

It might be last.

[AQ Shipley]

Probably above. Seriously, Brock Purdy, What's Brock making?

[Pat McAfee]

Brock got to be making more than 1 million at this point, right? Fourth year.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, I know. With the performance bonus or whatever, he ends up with like 2 million or something.

[Pat McAfee]

Player performance.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Bonus. That comes in. When. When does that come?

[Darius Butler]

March. I know all about that. Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

When that comes in, you got a lot of player performance bonuses. You remember when they were trying to kick those down the road? Years and years? They did, yeah.

[Darius Butler]

It was an uncapped year in 2013, so I didn't get that money until 2015, which ended up being a good year. It's a good year when it came real good.

[Pat McAfee]

Everybody knows your 2015 story, so of course.

[Darius Butler]

Well, you get double. You get double that year. That's what. That's what I'm getting at. You get two player performance.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh. Because you get that one and then the next one.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

They're trying to do it all, but yeah. Brock Purdy. I wonder what his Salary is this year. Can we look that up what Brock Purdy's current salary is? Because then we'll be able to kind of judge that. But Russell Wilson might be the cheapest starting quarterback probably going into the entire year for the Pittsburgh Steelers. That's a weapon, that's quite an advantage. Is Kirk Cousins going to be able to do that for another team? We shall see.

[Darius Butler]

Well, I mean you look at what the rookie quarterbacks have done thus far and you know, Caleb was kind of the one guy that has, hasn't really come in and started immediately and done very well. So a guy like Kirk, especially if Penix, who's had 15 weeks to sit behind Kirk during the regular season, if Penix comes in and plays unbelievable, you got to think, hey, Kirk of course goes about his business, right? Knows what he's doing. Guys can learn behind him. Like even those top two teams, the Giants and the Raiders, you would wonder if they would take a chance like hey, we could draft a guy and put him in right away. But you know, Drake may sat behind someone did very well. Penn expending him, he might sit behind, do very well right away. Why wouldn't you take those top two picks and think like hey, we could spend a million, two million bucks on Kirk Cousins who's proven who can show the next guy what to do. Because no matter what those teams, it's not like the, the Giants and the Raiders are in that category of hey, we get a quarterback, we're going to win 12 games next year. Like there's a lot they need to build a lot. Yeah, there's a lot that they still have to do and who knows, they might be in a completely new regime nonetheless too. So like those type of teams you would think might take a chance as well.

[Pat McAfee]

Brock purdy salary this year 985,000 I believe is what it is. Cap hit total his signing proration is 1,004,252 bucks. So that's what the San Francisco 49ers have been able to operate with. It's what the Steelers are able to operate with right now. And what does Kirk do now? Is he the backup quarterback or is this a Daniel Jones situation where he goes to like scout team, defensive tackle or. Because are they. Is he going to back up Pennix now?

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, it's never happened to him.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know. I'm very. Because he was back up to RG3 obviously.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Whenever he first gets into the NFL. But he was drafted after I. RG3 was a setup in this situation, it's his first year in Atlanta, which is why we thought tough to win over the trust of everybody. While a top 10 picks there, if you do hit a slump at all, there's going to be calls for Pennix, which came very loudly. And now they've had to make the decision to go to Penix, which once again might work out perfectly for him. They might end up looking like absolute geniuses in this, especially if Penix is going to play how they're talking about him playing.

[AQ Shipley]

Tough man.

[Pat McAfee]

But does Kirk go to backup quarterback? Is he on a clipboard for Michael Pennix? Is that how this. I don't know. Legitimately.

[AQ Shipley]

I mean, y. Yeah. I mean, you're expecting to, you know, be a good teammate. That's what I would expect him to do. You know, you still. You still getting paid, you're getting benched. Now you're the backup and you're, you know, facing. Facing the scout team. Maybe, you know, that's the way he builds his confidence back up. But for Michael Penix, like, it's a tough spot you going into, like, because shit moves so much faster during the game. And you always, you hear the term midseason form, like, defenses are in, you know, damn near postseason form at this point. So for a rookie to get thrown into that, that it's going to be tough on him and then obviously tough on Kirk, you know, this is a big shot of his ego, his pride. We know how quarterbacks are now you're coming in the backup, but I expect him to be a backup, be operating that scout team.

[Pat McAfee]

Tom Brady, remember what he said about Daniel Jones? Tom Brady was like, it happened in Michigan. But if they want me to play wide receiver to help the team, I'll play wide receiver. If you want me to help the team. Will Kirk Cousins do the same exact thing in his first year? Because they are paying him a lot of money.

[AQ Shipley]

A lot of money.

[Pat McAfee]

Kirk Cousins is a competitor, though.

[Darius Butler]

He's like, yeah, I mean, come on. But this is also.

[Pat McAfee]

What do you mean? Come on. What do you think Kirk does in this situation?

[Darius Butler]

I think he'll still just be the backup because, like, at this point, what, what really can happen. We're so late in the season. But this is also why everyone killed the Falcons. Because granted, this situation is working out for the Broncos right now, but you're. They squandered the, like, you have Pennix on a rookie deal, but they can't really improve the roster that much because they have so much dead cap now. So you can't even really take advantage of the fact that you do have a rookie quarterback. It's like we knew that everyone knew this was a possibility and it was kind of like they were just like, no, it's not. There's no way this. And then all this, you know, he. And I mean, how many weeks ago he, he set the Falcons singles single game passing record for, you know, yards. And then six weeks later they're like, yeah, this guy, we're done, we're done. Get him out of here. And it's like, it's just, it's crazy.

[Pat McAfee]

It is a crazy time to be an Atlanta Falcons fan. Still in it.

[Darius Butler]

Still in.

[Pat McAfee]

And Pennix might come out and maybe they thought Kirk Cousins is a perfect guy to show panics how to be a pro because Raheem saw Kirk operate behind the scenes previously. Maybe this decision will end up working out perfectly for him and they'll be able to laugh in our face. But to your point about roster construction, very valid. Tough. But that's only for next year, I think. So they will have maybe a couple years ahead. Speaking of a couple years ahead, this team somehow moved into the ACC and then bang, everybody thought it was going to take a couple years to transition. Head coach became the ACC coach of the year. They make it to the ACC finals in a thriller against Clemson and then they become the 12 seed in the first ever 12 team playoff. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now, head coach of that team, the SMU Mustangs, Red Lashley. Coach, how you doing?

[Darius Butler]

Good, Pat.

[AJ Hawk]

Good to be on the show. I'm supposed to tell you Big Oak says hello.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, please tell him I said howdy. Please, please, certainly send my regards. And yeah, it's been fun to watch because I met you. I believe you're the OC at smu. Whenever I met you, I was doing Thursday night football games and you're a former ballplayer, former quarterback, former player. The way you ran your offense was awesome. We had like, I think a very easy conversation and then I kind of follow you over. You go to Miami, they come back, now you're the head coach at SMU and what you've been able to accomplish in such a quick time. Good for you, man. Good for you. You worked your ass off for this legitimately. You worked your ass off off for this. Had a vision. It feels like you're back in the perfect place over there at smu. How do you feel after this year and how do you feel about the SMU Mustangs, brother?

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, I appreciate it. I mean, it's been. It's been fun. It's been a wild ride here the last three years. Just the way the. The speed at which our program's gotten to where we are. You know, I think we've won 22 games in the last two years and. And played in the conference championship game the last two years, and here we are in the. In the CFP and there's 12 teams left with an opportunity to play for a national championship, and we're one of them. So, so really proud of our guys. It's been a special journey, you know, for a school like SMU that had been on top of the college football world in the past, the long time ago, but, you know, there used to be guys like Eric Dickerson and the Pony Express beating teams like Texas and anyone else that they would play. And so to have our program back to that state stage and just in this kind of conversation on the national level is a big deal to us.

[Pat McAfee]

Hell yeah. As it should be. And obviously, great area of town down there in Dallas, you know, in the modern world that we're in. But you talked about that Pony Express, the death penalty, right? You guys got kind of served the death penalty because of what everything that's currently happening right now? Isn't it kind of a. Interesting kind of world that we're in right now that what SMU was basically kicked off of everything for? Like, kill the program. Now we're in the wild, wild west and you guys are succeeding in it. Like, how do you feel about the modern world that we're in? And does the irony fall upon you about what the Pony Express was killed by kind of happening now?

[AJ Hawk]

It is. It's definitely interesting. You know, obviously it's not. Not excusing anything SMU did over 40 years ago, but it also wasn't like they were the only ones doing that back then, but they just seem to be the ones that got the. Got to be made the example. But, you know, now we're in a day and age where players, rightfully so, can capitalize on their. Their abilities and all the money that they bring to this sport of college football. But it is. It is a different time. I mean, we're sitting here in the college football playoffs on a Wednesday. We play Saturday at Penn State, and free agency is rampant in college football. And it just, you know, so it's. But yes, we've been able to capitalize on it here at smu, I think the right way over the last two or three years to get our program back to this point. And I think what it's done too, you see across the board, the parody in college football is, is different than what it's been three, four, five years ago. I mean, I'm not going to say you won't have any more dynasties, but you know, what Nick Saban and Alabama were able to do for so long and others, I think it's going to be harder to do because no longer can team stack 2, 3, 4 elite recruiting classes and say, well, their second and third teamers could start anywhere else in the country, but they can't go anywhere. No. Now they transfer, they go and they start. And between that and Nil, it allows for teams like SMU and Indiana and Arizona State and Boise State to be in the playo with a legitimate chance to make some noise.

[Pat McAfee]

So NCAA president Charlie Baker will be joining us tomorrow in studio. So there'll be a lot of conversation from us to him about everything that you're talking about right now. Just know, hey, Rhett, I'm your huckleberry bub. I'll go in there. I will. I will do it. And I think Charlie's expecting it and I think that's why he wants to come on the program tomorrow. There's a lot to talk about, obviously, But I think April 8th next year there's a ruling coming down about a rev share, but Nil will still be involved. And then Nil might become even more important because if everybody has the same. It's a wild time to be alive. And you talk about those recruiting classes one after another. It's like they're. You don't have to be in the transfer portal for people to be able to call you and tell you, like, hey, you're very good. You're not going to play there for two years. We thought you knew that going into school now.

[AJ Hawk]

Supposed to be in the transportation transfer portal, but you're supposed to be.

[Pat McAfee]

But that's not how it's working out. Right. At all. Anywhere, I don't think. Right.

[AJ Hawk]

Not at all.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Okay. Because agents are in here now. So agents are able to have. This is just like when the combine happens here in Indianapolis, Indiana, in the NFL. The agents are all here. It's a. You're not allowed to tamper, not allowed to do anything. But the agents are just happening upon conversations with people and yeah, we might have about 20 million for a corner next year. Okay. Like those. But now I think agents are in representing these college players. So, like you're able to kind of find out information and then as soon as somebody finds out, they're like, oh, I can get how much, I'm going in transfer portal, I'm out of here. That's happening, I think like at a rapid rate right now. Right. And you're experiencing more than me, I guess. Oh yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

I mean, a lot of times if you see an elite player go on the portal, as dollar Bill on billions would say, they are not uncertain, you know what I mean? Like they, they have an idea and it's either done or it's down to two or three schools. People don't just hop in for no reason if they're really big time players. And so, you know, and, and that's where we are. And look, Charlie Baker inherited a really tough situation. He's trying to make it better. And you know, the NCAA is a big organization and you know how long it takes to move a big organization. But before he got hired, I mean, we've just been void of leadership. And so a lot of things that are good, players having the ability to transfer, you know, nil, all those things are good. But when there's no borders, there's no guidelines, there's no structure. If you kind of have chaos, you know, you have free agency windows in the NFL, you have contracts, you have structure. We have none of that. And so I know that's what he's trying to bring to the table, but it creates a lot of chaos when you're trying to get ready for the cfp, something kids should be fired up for. It should be the opportunity of a lifetime. And yet they're getting bombarded by schools to leave your roster and they're in the middle of the playoffs. You're trying to bring in recruits to now replace your outgoing seniors for next year, yet you're supposed to be focusing on the game. It's just a lot all at once for these kids to deal with.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, figure it out. You know, like that is what that, like you probably feel terrible even complaining about it, but I think without you mentioning that, like Coach Saban never wanted to complain about it. But then Coach Saban gets in these meetings and gets on TV and he's like, I gotta re recruit this guy. Transfer portals open and I'm preparing for the national championship at the same damn time. How is that supposed to be all at the same time? Like they just. I think they need to figure out the calendar. I think there needs to be a calendar sort.

[AJ Hawk]

It has to be totally rebooted. And I'm not complaining. Look, we're adults and we're football Coaches is it's our job to fix problems and handle tough situations. So I've always told people, you know, they gripe and say, coaches are complaining. We'll work 24 hours in a day. We can't put 25 in a day. So if you do too much, it gets a little difficult, but, like, we can handle it. What's not fair is, like, the Penn State backup quarterback who were playing had to go into the Portal and said he's not going to play with his team. And it was the hardest decision he said he's ever had to make because he has to balance. Do I go on the Portal and not pass up an opportunity to go find a good future home for me to go be the starter, or do I play with my team and finish in the playoffs, something I'd want to do? And he says I couldn't do both. That's what's not right about the situation. He shouldn't have to make that kind of decision.

[Pat McAfee]

Agreed. Because he's worked his ass off, too, to get to this point with his team. And what tomorrow is shouldn't affect what today is. But it feels like today has everything happening at the same damn time. Hopefully they're able to get that pick. I think your backup quarterback, too, or former starter is going to plan on hitting the Portal, but he's also sticking with the team. How does that work?

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, he.

[Pat McAfee]

He.

[AJ Hawk]

We did the same thing. He went in the Portal. He said he wanted to stay through the playoffs and finish. We wanted him to. So we've worked with him. You know, when we've not had practice days, he'll go take a visit, he'll come back, and it's a challenge, you know, that he wanted to do, and we're working with him. But again, two different situations. Kids still both felt like they were in a position where they had to make tough decisions that, honestly, they shouldn't have to make, you know?

[Pat McAfee]

Got it. Okay, so let's stop talking about all that. Let's talk about your team. Congratulations, man.

[Darius Butler]

Hell, yeah. Hell, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Kevin Jennings. Tell me about this guy. He. Your team ignited around him, huh? He's the dude.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah. Kevin's dog, man. He is. He's. He's a winner. He's a leader.

[Pat McAfee]

You.

[AJ Hawk]

You guys have seen it. I know y'all have talked about him a lot on the show this year on Saturdays. I mean, he did. He. He won in high school. He stepped in here last year when Preston got hurt and won the conference championship game for us in his first career start. And then what he's done this year since we made him the starter after week three, he's just, he gave our offense an identity. He's explosive. You saw what he did in the second half of the Clemson game leading us to come back. And you know, I think the special thing about Kevin, he has that unique ability to be incredibly confident and like I said, a dog. Like his teammates believe in him and you know how it is to have a quarterback that the team believes in like that. At the same time, he's like, incredibly humble and he's not a me guy and so he has that perfect blend and. And the moment's just never too big for him. As a matter of fact, he's usually the best in the. The toughest moments.

[Pat McAfee]

Sounds like a face of a program, which is obviously what he has become. And you talked about that second half, what you learned from your team, because we were watching along. We were at the Big Ten championship watching along as the end of that whole thing was happening. And at the beginning there was 24, 7 or something. So I think it was 24 7, 21 7, whatever it was in the college football world, we're like, ooh, for that 12 team playoff. If this goes, how this is going, they're going to discredit everything SMU has done this year, even though we don't think it's a good thing to do that. Because the chaos of the year, getting your team to show up every single week is a task in of itself in playing and winning games is a big deal, especially if you look at all the losses. But then that second half switch flip, what was it you think about your team? What did you learn about your team in that moment? Most adversity all year other than byu?

[AJ Hawk]

No, I think they proved that they were exactly who we thought they were. They were the team that, that won eight straight conference games and had won nine straight games in a row to get to the ACC championship game and to be ranked high enough to be in the playoffs. You know, we had a really bad first quarter. I mean, we had two turnovers our own side of the field. We gave Clemson the ball four times on our side of the field in the first quarter. Our defense played lights out, but it was 21 to 7 because we gave them four short fields. And I think they only had one touchdown over 60 yards in the entire game. So we really hurt ourselves early. But what you saw is a resilient group. We go in at halftime town 24 to 7 and we just, everybody was calm and we just said, look, this has a chance to be our defining moment of the season, maybe our finest moment. If they won the first half 24 to 7, we can easily go back out and win the second half 24 to 7. We won some quarters 24 to 7 this year. And so our guys credit him. We went out, we got a stop, we went down and scored and then we hung in there. We got to the fourth quarter, our defense played great. Kevin was cooking, as they say, and you know, we scored with 16 seconds left to make it 31 on. At that point we had won the second half 24 to 7. And you know, unfortunately we didn't do a good job kicking the ball of the end zone and covering a kick late. And credit Clemson's kid would just nail on a 56 yarder. I mean it was, it was like the bat off of the ball coming off a bat of Aaron Judge. And you just know it's gone immediately. As soon as he kicked it. I think my headset was off before it was through the uprights.

[Pat McAfee]

I think it was pure.

[AJ Hawk]

What a game. And but I think our team showed that we have that championship character, that resilience, that ability that we knew was in there. We just made stuff too hard on us in the first quarter.

[Pat McAfee]

Immediately afterwards, one of the first things coach Dabo Sweeney said was that is a playoff team team on the other side and that guy's obviously been to the big dance multiple times. I think that was very telling. And inevitably the playoff committee put you in at the 12 seed. D. Bud has a question for you here about this weekend.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, Coach, speaking of the playoffs and the elements, you know, first 12 team playoffs and you getting the home games from these teams, Penn State will be the home team here. Obviously got Preparing, you know, mid-50s, I think out there in Dallas right now, the forecast for this weekend, mid teens. How are you preparing for that mentally with the players and the coaches getting them ready to go in that play with that cold weather?

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, it's a great question. And you know, I mean, weather's only going to be a problem if we allow it to be. You know, like we've told our guys, they all want to play in the NFL, right? Well, we're getting into that playoff time of year in the NFL shortly into December and January where the playoffs are going to go through Arrowhead and they're going to go through Buffalo and they're going to go through Green Bay. And so you have to be able to go on the road and play at those places or you play for those teams if you want to play championship playoff football at the next level. So we get an opportunity to do that in college this week. And you know, fortunately, that ACC champion game was in the 30s. I know it's going to be colder than that this week. Here's what I'll also say. I mean, I think the crowd and the home field environment's the biggest problem. Penn State's got to play in the exact same weather, the exact same weather conditions we do. And last time I checked, they've never played a home game on December 21st in 20 degree weather. So I even think they have an indoor up there, you know, so that's only going to be an issue if we make it one and if we allow it to be one, it will be. But I think our guys showed hopefully last week that they'll play in the elements. And if we want a chance to win and survive and advance in the playoffs, we're going to have to overcome 20 degree weather and 106,000 fans. And if you're a competitor, that's the opportunities you want.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, maybe that place might not be filled up. I don't know if you're seeing the, the Penn State, they're on, they're on break, holiday break. They had finals.

[AJ Hawk]

We'll take 102,000 then, if that's what we need.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, I think your SMU people could potentially. Yeah, I think you guys can go get a little. Yeah, yeah, I think there's a chance you can get in there. Charlotte looked miserable. That looked miserable. Cold, rainy. It looks bad over there for that.

[AJ Hawk]

Acc, you know, it was cold and I had a pullover and a jacket on in the first half and we were getting our teeth kicked in 24 to 7. So I took the jacket off in the second half and went out and the, the sub official looked at me, he's like, are you not cold? I said, yeah, but the way we play in the first half, I don't deserve to wear a jacket.

[Pat McAfee]

And you college coach, you ACC college coaches on if your team doesn't play well, not doing something. Fran at Syracuse doesn't shower, right?

[Darius Butler]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

If your team doesn't win. Yep, him. My team's getting my ass beat. I don't deserve to be comfortable. I deserve, deserve to be cold as give me frostbite because Our team's down 24 7. Let's head to Hammer. Don, Don, Tone Diggs has a question for you. Coach.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, Coach, I had a question to you about your the man meat on your team. Because normally when you go from a group of five to a power four conference, the, the O line, D line is, is kind of where it's lacking. But you guys have been great up front running the ball and, and then stopping the run. You're top five in the country and I know you've got got some transfers from Miami that you brought with you on that D line. How do you feel about the man meat going into this Penn State game? Because I know they are also awesome up front.

[AQ Shipley]

Question.

[AJ Hawk]

I think it's what's given us a chance to compete in year one and to get to the ACC title game and even to get into the playoff. And it's, it's going to have to give us, you know, carry us to give us a chance to advance. You know, I think Garon Justice, Big Oak, as we called him at the beginning, our O line coach has done a fantastic job with the O line and 13 of our 20 transfers last year were on D linemen for that reason. And we've had good balance on offense. Our running back Burchard Smith's about to break the all purpose record at SMU this weekend and that's because we've got a really good O line and has kept Kevin clean. And then on defense, to your point, I think we lead the country in QB pressures as a D line and we were top five in the country against the run. And that's because that D line, not just the first unit, but we're 2D. They've stayed healthy. And so as you guys know, a really good D line and stopping the run and being able to run the football is a key. The good D line makes the linebackers in the secondary that much better. And if you can run the ball and stop the run, it allows you to control the game and it doesn't allow the other team to. And so that's been a big key for us. Obviously it's a different challenge with Penn State because they're really good on their defensive front and they can really run the football. They ran for almost 300 yards last week against Oregon, so. So it's going to have to come up big for us this week.

[Pat McAfee]

Two great runners. They've been there seemingly for like 100 years. Yeah, singleton and Allen, they've been there since freshman. Now they're juniors. They have a lot of experience and obviously Kyle Nicki, if he continues to run the Rock, has the capability to do it. He gets a little excited sometimes, it's a little exciting.

[Darius Butler]

He Likes to run too many trick plays.

[Pat McAfee]

That's Penn State alumni and offensive lineman AQ Shipley's opinion. I don't know if you've seen that in your film study. Garen justice, big go. Former offensive lineman of the Rich Rod era, West Virginia.

[Darius Butler]

Is that right?

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, let him know. Let him know we're back. And hey, hey, we're not poaching any coaches. But Garen, we're back.

[AJ Hawk]

Country roads ain't coming through Dallas.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, you got it. I love that Garen's doing it. You've been with him a long time now, right? You guys have been together a long time? We.

[AJ Hawk]

We've been together now five years. We were there together the two years at Miami and now the three years here. And he's done a fantastic job.

[Pat McAfee]

He's big dude. Lumbering.

[Darius Butler]

Big Oak, you're talking.

[Pat McAfee]

He is.

[AQ Shipley]

You know what?

[J.J. Watt]

He.

[AJ Hawk]

He's a big dude, but he's in good shape now. As a matter of fact, he and I do this. These peloton workouts. Jess Sims, your girl. We do those 60 minute boot camps and he's in good shape now.

[Pat McAfee]

You keep up with Jess. I've heard her workouts are very, very difficult. I've heard.

[AJ Hawk]

As a matter of fact, Pat, after we make a run in these playoffs, we want to invite you to Dallas. And you, me, Big Oak, and Jess Sims can record a peloton ride in our new weight room.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Sounds like you guys will be doing that. I can't wait to watch you guys do that. I think that should definitely happen. Yeah, Okay. I will. I will. I'll come down. I'll come down. I'll motivate you guys doing it. I've heard her workouts are diesel. I heard they are a problem. All right, coach. Good luck this weekend. We appreciate you so much for stopping by and congrats on all the success and juggling all the things you had while the biggest game of your coaching career is just a few days away. You're the man.

[AJ Hawk]

Thanks, Pat. Appreciate you guys having me on.

[Pat McAfee]

Ladies and gentlemen, SMU Mustangs head football coach Rhett Ashley. Big Oak. I didn't know if he was still down there or not. I think I should have known that because I probably talked about him this year at some point during game day. Big dude. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

No poaching, of course, but offensive line coach for a college football playoff team?

[Pat McAfee]

I mean, Kanji, take me home to the place I belong Lost last night in the Hoopter's coffee bowl.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Scooter.

[Darius Butler]

Scooters Coffee bowl, Scooter's coffee, Crisco Bowl. Great effort, though.

[Pat McAfee]

It got. It got bananas late. Okay. Now I potentially did turn it off.

[AQ Shipley]

Jesus.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

I mean, those are big holes. Big holes right there.

[Pat McAfee]

And that's why I've been saying, good plug. There's a big gaping holes there for sure. Okay. That is for certain. But let's remember that the boys fought hard. Okay.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And there was a couple players I was watching where I'm like, he's going to be a good mountaineer going forward. Like that guy, Hudson Clement, kid out of West Virginia. West Virginia State player of the year. Had to walk on at West Virginia back in the day. I thought it was just kind of common practice. The West Virginia player of the year just kind of gets a scholarship to West Virginia. I thought I. Maybe that's just because every state. Yeah, I thought that was just because of my. My roommates were both state players of the year in the state of West Virginia when I was in college. But he would walk on to West Virginia, get on scholarship, and then last night showed everything about being a hard edge guy. I'm sure there was others on the roster somewhere on the defensive side, somewhere, maybe somebody. But like, GG is running wild. It was a nice. It was a nice nostalgia run to watch GG do his thing in the highlights this morning, watching it back. And they were in this thing all the way until late. Late lately. They were driving to win this thing against the 10, two Memphis Tigers, who were obviously top 25 team. I don't know how we ended up getting matched up with Memphis, but I respect that.

[Darius Butler]

We did get wondering that, too.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I don't know how this was the bowl game, but I think people knew West Virginia had a team much better.

[Darius Butler]

Than 6 and 6.

[Pat McAfee]

And we kept fighting. Obviously made it close. Yeah. Can we get to the final play?

[AQ Shipley]

Six and six.

[Pat McAfee]

Final. Excuse me, the ball game. It's regular season stuff, easy. The. The final play, Gigi throws a pick, then guy tries to run it back. Hudson Clement punches it out. Okay, we're gonna have ball. First down, eight seconds left. Unlike the 30 going in. Yeah, here it is, 22 seconds left, 42, 37, touchdown wins it. Gigi throws a pick, obviously on the. Throws a guy. This guy dips shit, runs around Hudson, Clement, hard edge, punches it out. Who recovers it? Offensive lineman for West Virginia. Going to have eight seconds left on the clock. Going to be first goal, 30 something now could run a play to get this thing out of bounds. Quick, get it up to 25. Maybe we're able to win it. They would ever turn a call because he was sliding. He was giving himself up. The play was over. Even though his shin was not down and the ball came out because he decided to slide. Play was over. Didn't know that was a rule. Had no idea that was a rule. Me neither. Yep. Western Jake could have won that thing. Last night on the last game of the Neil Breezy era, saw a lot of the players wearing Neil Brown shirts. That's good. You guys did great. Thank you.

[Darius Butler]

Rich Rod was there.

[Pat McAfee]

Saw Rich Rod there, did an interview. Good to see him walking around with Ren Baker. It's all good. Speaking of awesome. And we're hoping Rich Rod does exactly the same thing with West Virginia that happened at iu. Guy from JMU comes over, brings his boys with him, and they transform a culture into becoming one that I don't think anybody even in the state of Indiana could fathom. Ladies and gentlemen, the head coach of the IU football team, the who, who, who, who head into Notre dame in the first round of the 12 team playoff of college football, which is a pipe dream for a lot of Hoosiers fans. This guy saw it coming. Ladies and gentlemen, Kurt Signetti. How we doing, coach? How you guys done? Hey, fantastic. Not as good as you. You got a team in a 12 team playoff. Kicking the entire thing off, off on Friday night. How do you feel? How does the team feel? Congrats on all the success thus far. Although I know you haven't won anything yet, but congrats on this season. How do you feel, Coach? I mean, you know, we're still in prep. We've had a good week. You know, our guys will be excited.

[AJ Hawk]

To play and, you know, we're in.

[Pat McAfee]

It to win it. We don't want a participation medal, right? Yeah. Amen.

[AJ Hawk]

So, you know, today's Thursday and we've had a great week and looking forward.

[Pat McAfee]

To going up there. I think it's a great game for the state. You know, I know Notre Dame's kind.

[AJ Hawk]

Of a national brand, but for the.

[Pat McAfee]

State of Indiana, I think this is.

[AJ Hawk]

A tremendous game in terms of promoting.

[Darius Butler]

The sport of football, you know, and.

[AJ Hawk]

Making it even more popular than I.

[Pat McAfee]

Know Peyton Manning did a lot for.

[AJ Hawk]

The game, you know, when he was with the Colts.

[Pat McAfee]

But I think this game, game here.

[Darius Butler]

Will do a lot for the state.

[Pat McAfee]

I think so, too. And coach, I assume you've been told this by numerous IU people. I'm very lucky to be around a lot of Hoosiers. Married into a Hoosier family. A lot of the IU fans. And this is where football was for the Indiana University. For a long time they didn't even. They were IU basketball fans. And then they were Notre Dame football fans because Notre Dame was in the state of Indiana and basically anybody but Purdue is how they viewed it. So their football team was the Fighting Irish that represent our state. And then we're Hoosier basketball fans now. All those people immediately, yeah, we got a football team now. And they're excited, pumped, happy. You know, you say participation, trophies, but Hoosier fans that I talk to are like ecstatic about this entire whirlwind of a season. How did you know that your team was going to be able to get here? Because you've been calling your shot since the beginning. And what have you learned about your team this year, year that has you feeling great about Friday's opportunity? Well, you know, first of all, I was confident.

[AJ Hawk]

I'm like a player that's experienced success on the gridiron, right?

[Pat McAfee]

So you have success as a coach.

[AJ Hawk]

You believe in your blueprint and your plan. I felt really good about the 22 transfers we brought in in December.

[Pat McAfee]

I thought we really changed the roster in three weeks.

[AJ Hawk]

And you can see the culture start to change in January, spring ball, summer, fall camp.

[Pat McAfee]

Now you still got to put on.

[AJ Hawk]

The field, you know, but then, you know, with every win came belief, confidence. And it snowballed and had been through a similar situation in the past, so knew it could happen. And along with that came came the.

[Pat McAfee]

Fan support, you know, which, because if you remember, the first game came out.

[AJ Hawk]

At halftime with three score lead, about.

[Pat McAfee]

Half the people had left. I addressed it in the press conference, but, you know, wasn't long. We were selling out.

[AJ Hawk]

We have 5, 10,000 people outside the stadium tailgating that can't get in. And it's been over the top, man.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean, these people starving for success.

[AJ Hawk]

Best fans in America. I mean, they just, they wanted it so badly and it's been great to see.

[Pat McAfee]

It's hard to even explain, to be honest with you. Yeah, they're all so grateful, you know, you woke up fan base that had been cheering for another team because their team had been non existent for so long. This is a football people out here in Indiana. I know it's a home basketball. There's a basketball hall of fame out here. The Pacers obviously, fantastic. Bob Knight with the Hoosiers, legendary. There's a lot of basketball love around here, but these are naturally a football People in Indiana got a lot of farmers, got a lot of blue collar people, got a lot of hard working people and giving them the opportunity to celebrate their Hoosiers in this particular world. I'd like to say thank you because there's been a lot of happier Hoosier fans than there have ever has been. And they're pumped going into Friday night. Now, speaking of that, you gotta, you gotta juggle a lot. We were just talking to Rhett Lashley about this. Go ahead, Ty.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, obviously you have the, a massive game coming up and I assume that takes, you know, the lion's share of, of your focus. But how do you juggle, you know, having to be active in the transfer portal, considering that is a big reason, you know, you guys were able to flip everything so quickly, obviously that closes Sunday. How do you juggle everything you have to do with that while also having to prepare for the biggest game in the school's history on Friday night?

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, no, that's good question. And, and it's tough because you're wearing.

[Pat McAfee]

A lot of hats.

[AJ Hawk]

You know, you, you're working on retaining coaches, your roster, evaluating portal guys, the portal guys on official visits, getting a team ready for a game. And, and we shut down the official.

[Pat McAfee]

Visits this week so that we could.

[AJ Hawk]

Completely focus on game prep. So we, we got nobody on campus Monday through Friday. We've got some kids coming in Saturday and Sunday and then Monday's a dead period. Then we've got a week to recruit in January. But 75, 80% of these guys have already made their decision by then.

[Pat McAfee]

So in a way, you know what's.

[AJ Hawk]

It'S great that you're in the college Football playoff, but you're sort of penalized to a degree in terms of the portal recruiting because you know, there's only 24 hours in a day. Right, right.

[Pat McAfee]

And you kind.

[AJ Hawk]

So, you know, we're getting some recruiting.

[Pat McAfee]

Work in at night, but the focus.

[AJ Hawk]

During the day is prep and we're still doing okay. But I guarantee there's a lot more kids out there that, you know, we could be researching, developing relationships with. But I think the publicity of, you.

[Pat McAfee]

Know, getting into playoff, the exposure, which we've earned, and, and now it helps if, you know, if you do well.

[AJ Hawk]

Well, obviously, and we're going to be okay. But it's been 4:00am mornings, 10:30 at night, you know, it's been four hours of sleep. And I know one thing, I'm going.

[Pat McAfee]

Home after practice tonight. This is like a Thursday practice.

[AJ Hawk]

My ass is going home.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay? Deserve it, Coach. And tell that family we said hello when you get home. And it is Wednesday. He said Thursday games normally on Saturday. This game's on on Friday. So you bumped the schedule up a day to keep everything the same as a game week, which leads to the extra time that you've had. AQ has a question for you, Coach.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah. With all the extra time, how have you handled the last couple weeks of prep?

[Pat McAfee]

It's like an off week. You know, you practice enough to stay sharp.

[AJ Hawk]

Fundamentally, timing and rhythm practices were a little shorter, kind of generic. I mean, we dove in on Notre Dame as a staff and introduced a few things. But I like the sense of urgency, preparation during game week and carrying that through till kickoff.

[Pat McAfee]

So, you know, I don't want to do too much too soon.

[AJ Hawk]

Plus, quite frankly, a lot of our time was spent on the portal. Evaluation and recruiting and official visits.

[Pat McAfee]

So much to do, so little time. Massive game on Friday that the whole world is going to be watching. Kicking off the brand new era of college football. You've earned it. We can't wait for it. Game day will be there. I think we got like a four and a half hour show kicking that thing off. There's going to be a lot of signetti love out of this mouth. You need to know that Connor has a question for you.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, Coach. Most expensive ticket of the weekend. So, congratulations. Your team's a massive draw in the College Football Playoff. But how have you addressed the team? Has it been kind of acknowledging how big of a moment this is for the state of Indiana for football and IU in itself, or has it kind of just been business as usual? We're just playing football out there, same type of week as it has been all season?

[Pat McAfee]

No, it's business as usual.

[AJ Hawk]

You know, that that kind of hype is for you guys and people that love the sports. And I mean, you know, you prepare for this game like you prepared for game four, Game five. I mean, the standard's a standard, right? And if there was a better way to do it, we'd do it that way every time. So I like where we're at.

[Pat McAfee]

I like our mindset. I think we learned some good things.

[AJ Hawk]

Coming out of Ohio State, that some.

[Pat McAfee]

Situations will handle a little better.

[AJ Hawk]

And I'm confident.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm confident in our team going in.

[AJ Hawk]

This game and, you know, we'll be ready to go.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's talk about that Ohio State game. Obviously, a couple special teams situations pop up. Do you feel like that was great for your team to get that experience before Friday. Do you think that was a moment for your team or how was you. How do you describe what happened in Ohio State over there?

[AJ Hawk]

I'm not sure I'd call it great.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, but I'm saying, you know, you know what I'm talking about. No, I know what you're talking. Calloused, almost like you're callous. You have a situation.

[AJ Hawk]

I mean, we gave him 14 points.

[Pat McAfee]

On the punt team.

[AJ Hawk]

You know, we dropped a snap and.

[Pat McAfee]

We gave up a punt return for a touchdown. And it seemed like we were in.

[AJ Hawk]

That one corner of the end zone for two and a half years and didn't handle the crowd noise very well and. And had some communication breakdowns and pass protection and couldn't play offense for a while there because we couldn't protect the quarterback. And, you know, we went to a silent count, which is the first time I've ever done that, and we'll never do it again.

[Pat McAfee]

Why? Why? Why will you never do it again? You hate. Everybody does a silent count. I thought that was just kind of standard operating procedure in a loud environment.

[AJ Hawk]

Well, not always, you know, because there's.

[Pat McAfee]

Always an indicator when the ball's going.

[AJ Hawk]

To get snapped, and once they figure out who the. What the indicator is, they tee off and time those blitzes and their get off.

[Pat McAfee]

And, you know, defensive guys are reactive.

[AJ Hawk]

Players, offensive guys are used to going on a cadence, a rhythm, so we.

[Pat McAfee]

Didn'T need to do that, but that's behind us now.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, they're a good football team. They played well. You know, we could have played better. I give them credit and, you know.

[Pat McAfee]

We learned from it. And, you know, when, when, when you.

[AJ Hawk]

Don'T have the result, don't have the success, right? And you fail, then you. You got a choice, right?

[Pat McAfee]

And you can sulk and blame others.

[AJ Hawk]

Or you can learn from it and come back stronger.

[Pat McAfee]

And I believe we will never. Daunted, baby. Can't wait to watch your team on Friday. Congrats on all the success. You're the man. We appreciate the hell out of what you've done for this state of Indiana, Coach. Well, thank you. And you are the man. No, no, no, no, no. I'm trying to keep up with you, you know that. Ladies and gentlemen, you got your guy at West Virginia. You got your guy. How about them Mountaineers? How about them Mountaineers? Hey, we're back. We got a little hard edge now again. You know what I mean, Rich Rod, we need that. We needed that. Don't you think that, you know, Rich.

[AJ Hawk]

Rod and I played together. I was a year ahead of him.

[AQ Shipley]

Oh, shit.

[Pat McAfee]

Holy hell. I didn't know that. Rich never said boo in college. I never heard the guy talk. He was thinking, though, working. He was thinking. He was thinking. You're the best, ladies and gentlemen. Hey, do you wanna. No, no, no, no. I didn't know if you wanted to come back. No, I didn't know if you want to come back to West Virginia. But hey, listen, no poaching. No, no, no. This is home right here, baby.

[Darius Butler]

Hell yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Where it ends for me, ladies and gentlemen. Coach, we're just getting started.

[AQ Shipley]

You heard?

[AJ Hawk]

We're just getting started here, okay?

[Pat McAfee]

Hell yeah. You're the man. And we're thankful for that. Ladies and gentlemen, Coach Signetti.

[Darius Butler]

You're the man.

[Pat McAfee]

This is home and we're just getting started. What's up, y'all?

[AQ Shipley]

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[Pat McAfee]

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[J.J. Watt]

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[Darius Butler]

Football.

[Pat McAfee]

It's wonderful. We're so lucky we get to talk about it. College football has a massive weekend kicking off the 12 team playoff on Friday night as IU and Kurt Signetti, who was just on the program, travel up to South Bend, Indiana to take on Marcus Freeman in the Notre Dame Fighting Irish, which will kick off a historic, historic playoff run to find out who the greatest team in the country is. Will it be one of these squads? Potentially maybe. Then on Saturday there's three college football playoff games capped off by Tennessee at Ohio State, which we will be live from the sideline of for a simulcast on ESPN2ABC. And ESPN will be Fowler and Herb Street. The other three playoff games will be intermittent or our other two playoff games will be kind of split by NFL games as well. So we got five very meaningful football games on Saturday. We got one College Football Playoff game on Friday night. We got one NFL game kicking off Thursday night football week 16. Then we got Monday Night Football following a Sunday slate that's packed. And then we have Wednesday football, NFL on Christmas, two games on Netflix, then Thursday Night Football again. Then we get right into a massive weekend to get. So we're in it. And bowl games, they matter.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, of course.

[Pat McAfee]

Football all throughout football is winning right now.

[Darius Butler]

Let's go football. We got a couple months left.

[Pat McAfee]

We're in the best time of football.

[Darius Butler]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's watch it all, let's enjoy it all. And let's assume all these games are going to be bangers because they're potentially set up to be as such. The talks of tables here at Boss Connor and at Ty Schmidt nine year NFL vet Darian State Butler.

[AQ Shipley]

Yes sir.

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe he bought two 12 year NFL vet Super bowl champion AQ Shipley's here. Did you bumped up in that secret society that you're in a Thunderbirds?

[Darius Butler]

I don't know.

[Pat McAfee]

We'll find out because the hoodie. I didn't know if you got a text already saying hey, you go up to a green belt bub.

[Darius Butler]

I got a lot of nice hoodie. I got a lot of nice hoodie. Text.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Did you? Yeah. Do you guys have suits or Jackets or anything that you wear.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah. Zito can probably find the outfit they wear at the open.

[Pat McAfee]

It's not as chaps. I don't think they figured.

[Darius Butler]

It's like a. It's a whole blue outfit with a belt and a little necklace.

[Pat McAfee]

Have you been fitted for yours already?

[Darius Butler]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You've been fitted for your blue costume.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, yeah. Oh, that's. That is the ceremony.

[Pat McAfee]

Holy. Right there.

[AQ Shipley]

Right?

[Darius Butler]

It's on your wrist. That's it, right there.

[Pat McAfee]

Is that a part of a hand? What's that all about?

[Darius Butler]

That's the little logo.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, wow.

[Darius Butler]

There it is.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, that's the fit. You're going to have that little boat on it.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

It might kick you out. You giving away all their.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. What about the necklace? What about the necklace?

[Darius Butler]

So the beads are like all the. All the things you volunteer for, you get bead.

[Pat McAfee]

All the events here. So you guys are. We're giving back to the community.

[Darius Butler]

That's all we do.

[Pat McAfee]

Group.

[Darius Butler]

That's it.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[AQ Shipley]

Five.

[Pat McAfee]

Group.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I didn't know these existed. Every time I hear about these types.

[Darius Butler]

Of things, it's always bad.

[Pat McAfee]

Always. Thunderbirds, good group. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Well, they say that about everyone, too.

[AQ Shipley]

That's true. All the groups do good things.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Oh, that's like every very wealthy person is a massive philanthropist.

[AQ Shipley]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know. I donated 10 million. Is that not a philanthropy? Yes, they do.

[Darius Butler]

Great.

[Pat McAfee]

You tell me every one of their titles you look up to. Philanthropist, CEO of Venture capitalist Fund. It's like, oh, I. I like how somebody decided we donate. Right.

[Darius Butler]

Hey, you can be as big of a piece of as you want. Just donate, like, 15, 20 million bucks.

[Pat McAfee]

You're a philanthropist. You're not a CEO. You're a philanthropist. Remember that. Different. That's a good move. That was a great move. And also, anybody that donates money, good, okay. That's a good thing, not a bad thing. Because everybody say, tax, write off, whatever. Who gives? If people are giving back money, keep giving back. But I do like that. That kind of became the thing. The Thunderbirds, I do believe, because we know aq short.

[Darius Butler]

That's right. Great guy.

[Pat McAfee]

I think they're good. Thank you to Thunderbirds for everything they've done.

[Darius Butler]

Thank you.

[Pat McAfee]

Thank you. We think. We think. We haven't been in there. We don't have any necklaces or belts or jackets or coats or anything like that.

[Darius Butler]

You should get that Thunderbird tattooed on top of your head. See how many beads right up there.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, like Vader.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, exactly. Big Van Vader. That's.

[Pat McAfee]

Get it.

[Darius Butler]

Like Vader.

[Pat McAfee]

Get the thing just all the way back.

[Darius Butler]

That'd be awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

How committed is he? Thunderbirds?

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, good question.

[Pat McAfee]

You. You tell us. Maybe get a couple more beads you put on the top. Joining us now is a man who's a part of the Ohio State cult. He's the all time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers. He's a college football national champion, a Super bowl champion relative to Tony Hawk, we think. Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, AJ Hawk. How you doing, Hawker? Doing great.

[Darius Butler]

I don't.

[Pat McAfee]

I do not believe I'm a relative of Tony. But Pat, if you remember the Thunderbirds.

[Darius Butler]

When we went and did that was the 16th hole, the stadium hole out there. We did the closest to the pin.

[Pat McAfee]

Or the hole in one contest. Thunderbird people were all over the place. Because I do remember asking, like, what's.

[Darius Butler]

With all the beads and the different.

[Pat McAfee]

Different outfits, you guys? Oh, the sleeves. Wasn't he one of them? I don't know if he is.

[Darius Butler]

He was kind of the gravy.

[Pat McAfee]

Gravy in the sleeve.

[Darius Butler]

Sleeves is a. He's a big time Thunderbird, isn't he? Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

What do you need to know?

[Darius Butler]

Your brother. You need to know. I don't know who you're talking about.

[Pat McAfee]

Talking about the sleaze. The golf guy. The. The one. What's the podcast, please?

[Darius Butler]

Oh, yeah, Gravy.

[J.J. Watt]

Yeah. With Colt.

[Darius Butler]

No.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, yeah, he's. He's one of the main guys.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Yeah, see, I do remember. I'm the. Yeah, you remember, but no, I'm actually. I know you're a group more than.

[Darius Butler]

I didn't know you were gone.

[Pat McAfee]

His name's the sleaze. I think Gravy. I think his name is Gravy. And the sleeves. They do a golf podcast.

[Darius Butler]

Is that what they call themselves?

[Pat McAfee]

Yes, I think so.

[Darius Butler]

It is Gravy.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Thank you. I thought I got it right. But I want to let you know every once in a while those types of names I will get close but not accurate.

[Darius Butler]

Couple letters.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. There's going to be greasy and Greasy.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, you can't.

[Pat McAfee]

Can't switch those. No, no, don't want to be a part of that. And neither do Greasy or the sleaze there, but nonetheless. Yeah, I remember that Major. They were running around their blue jackets. They were very kind. I don't think either of us knew what we signed up for in that particular situation. No, I don't think.

[Darius Butler]

Did you put it on?

[Pat McAfee]

What's that?

[Darius Butler]

Did you put it on?

[Pat McAfee]

Put it on, buddy. I had. I was on what, 250 milligrams.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah. Stand up.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I had no idea what I was watching.

[Darius Butler]

Did you send it into the crowd?

[Pat McAfee]

No, I duffed one. I got down there. I think it ended up on a fringe. Nobody talks about it. And I think you had to use JJ Watts Club, which was much longer. Dude, that's. That's when I learned, like, this guy is a massive. He was so big, and obviously you have to have Taylor clubs, but, yeah, I pulled him out as a hockey stick. What am I supposed to do with this thing? People were all very kind. Time, though.

[Darius Butler]

That's rapping. Great group. Crushing it. Kelly James, music talent.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

The dog.

[Pat McAfee]

He. Yeah. The way his brain operates, that is like a perfect thing for those golf outings. I follow him on social media. It feels like the golf outings are like his main bread. Like a. He's a roast rapper.

[Darius Butler]

I feel like now, you know, and.

[Pat McAfee]

At those golf outings, you know, people, it's a new, new target every 30 seconds or so, which is perfect for freestylers and music people. Yeah, it was a great event.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

No idea that. That's what. I should have done a tiny bit of research.

[AQ Shipley]

Should have had him last night.

[Pat McAfee]

What's that, Kelly?

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah. In the golf event last night.

[Darius Butler]

That was a great event.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. They need to make that entertaining. Nothing concept. Good. First time we saw it. Whoa. You know, it's like Hard Knocks. First time we saw it.

[Darius Butler]

Bingo.

[Pat McAfee]

Whoa. This is it. Now. It's like, I don't know if they have figured out what they want to be yet. Do we want to talk to the golfers? Do we want to hear the golfers? Do we have conversation with the golfers? There's too much time between things. There's a lot of dead time. Normally when we're watching golf, we can cut to a good shot, good shot. We can dock. Good shot. Just in case there's no good shots, Pull up. Good shot. Oh, let's go to the 16th here. I wonder what the fuck this guy we've never heard of before. That just popped on the screen for the first time. Who's in 70th place is about to do. Oh, he's about to chip in from 155 yards out. Then we're going to go bang. Then we're going to go bang. Then we're going to go bang. That's golf in Charles Barkley. I can listen to him do anything, legitimately, anything. If it was run like a podcast, which I think there Is they got to figure out how to do that because it is awesome. It is a great concept. It is a phenomenal event to have now. It was going against the Hoopter's coffee bowl.

[Darius Butler]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

Which is going to be tough stuff. And hard knock started right at 9 o'clock whenever everybody was at the point of being like, okay, they're not really. I'll just find out later.

[Darius Butler]

NBA Cup.

[AQ Shipley]

Oh, banger.

[Pat McAfee]

What?

[Darius Butler]

So much on, man. There's so much on.

[Pat McAfee]

But, like, that was a good concept and I appreciated the PGA taking on live too. And I love Rory coming out the gate hitting two eagles, I think. Yeah, absolutely. Demolishing early, like, it was fun. I just, just. I don't. It's hard to stick with the whole thing. Too much time.

[Darius Butler]

Too much time. Especially early on, they were walking.

[Pat McAfee]

Like they.

[Darius Butler]

They got in the carts later, I believe.

[Pat McAfee]

But early on they're walking and you're just kind of hearing guys walk and then.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, it's just tough.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm a big fan of the concept. I love watching golf. Suck at golf. Love watching golf. Love basically all the characters that were on that show too. Like, there's a couple I didn't know. But, like, love everything that D. Shambro has been doing to build his brand and build his team and everything like that. That chipping over the house thing that he did. Phenomenal.

[Darius Butler]

Sweet.

[Pat McAfee]

Must watch great entertainment and having Brooks with them, obviously, because the past that they have representing Liv. Okay, good idea. Roy McElroy, Captain, PGA. At the beginning of this thing, I hate Liv. Remember, good booking there. And then Scooty Scheffler is the guy. So everything about it is like, I want to watch it, you know, especially with how cool Scotty was. There was a couple times where Scotty was lining something up in the rough and he just backed right into the crowd and the crowd just like, kind of backed up and he's just like, hey, how you doing? And then just kind of sat there and played. He understood what was kind of going on. And I think he is like such a phenomenal golfer. So there's so much good. We would like to make it. We would love it and not us make it. Obviously, we would not be able to handle something. Ah, we would be, but we don't want to. Yeah, we wouldn't actually. Time wise, we'd not be able to do that.

[Darius Butler]

Trust you right now.

[Pat McAfee]

That would not be something we'd be able to put on or the connections to have it or to be able to book it the way that you know all those types of things. But like that's in theory a brilliant thing and I think they'll figure it out. I. I think it is figureoutable. Hopefully. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Early on, I feel like the banter. Not last night, early on in this entire. The math showdown, whatever the hell, whatever gimmick it is, like the banter between the two teams was awesome. Like there really wasn't any banter between Rory, Scotty and then, then Brooks and Bryson. There wasn't too much back and forth. And then like the gimmicks in general, like typically, I hate like the gimmicks. Hey, you're only using this one. You're only using a 7 iron on this hole. I almost thought they could have used more gimmicky type with the pros. With the pros to open it up a little bit. Because they did kind of treat it as if it was like they were playing for a green jacket.

[Pat McAfee]

Which we like.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Which is cool.

[Pat McAfee]

But if it's going to be that, you have to book accordingly. You know, you have to, you have to like kinda figure out how you're gonna fill the. Because it was like a golf tournament. That's four guys.

[Darius Butler]

That's my biggest is personally, I think these were better when you had like a PGA pro or a live guy and then you had like a quarterback doing it because then you. Otherwise it's just like, oh, this is just like a second rate golf event that these guys don't really care about. You know, it's like. Because the first thing you're going to, it's like, okay, well this isn't anywhere near as good as, as just any random PGA Tour event on a Sunday, much less a major. But it just. You, you need to have someone who isn't a professional in there, I think. And then you pair them with a professional because then that's where you get most of the talk too. Those guys who aren't professionals are going to be going at each other, especially.

[Pat McAfee]

If they hit a good shot.

[Darius Butler]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

Like we all remember right now in our head, Tom Brady did this. What was the shot ear thing fell off. Audio pack fell off. We all think about that moment. Right. That's probably the biggest. This, that's one of the biggest moments of these entire.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Aaron Rodgers burying that putt right to win the thing when it was dark. If you remember that moment in this.

[Darius Butler]

Entire Draymond shit talking Klay Thompson on the ground burying him repeatedly.

[Pat McAfee]

Potentially why Klay Thompson wanted to leave Gold State, because of that. Yeah, we remember like those are the moments and it's I think a little.

[Darius Butler]

Lighter and obviously it's tough to do. Right. That's why, like the timing is just weird. Like I don't know if we needed one right now. Like you, you do that in the summer when all those guys are available and you know, most of them will probably be like, well, yeah, I'll go out there.

[Pat McAfee]

Are they available though? Aren't they in the middle of their season?

[Darius Butler]

That's what I'm saying is like, well.

[Pat McAfee]

That'S the thing working.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, exactly. For them, obviously. Yeah. For the golfers, maybe not. But you do it right now, then it's just like, obviously you're not going to be able to get any other athletes. It's just going to be a golf.

[Pat McAfee]

There has to be a time where their seasons don't and this season's done. Like even if you do it back whenever, there's like one game on Saturday and one game on Sunday.

[Darius Butler]

I guess that's why it worked though, is because they started this during COVID Yeah. So no one had going on and they could all kind of just go to like a remote course where there weren't a bunch.

[Pat McAfee]

Anyways, we appreciate that they're doing it.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Like this new Tiger League thing. I appreciate that they're doing it. Yeah, I think that's going to be good. Technology looks sweet. Can we build that out back?

[Darius Butler]

I think that'll be awesome.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, I said it looks.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Good.

[Pat McAfee]

Drive it into a sim. Pretty much a big ass sim. And then whenever you get within 50 yards of the green, I want to say 130 yards. So they have 130 yard warehouse. That's probably why it went down. Didn't it go down?

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Class.

[AQ Shipley]

They got real grass, they got sand.

[Pat McAfee]

Like it's the greens move. That's brilliant. And there's a 40 second shot clock on every single shot, which what we were just talking about. And then there's also gimmicks as well, something called the Hammer. I don't know what. Oh, you know what that is? Whose league is it? Tigers. Okay. What's the trophy look like? No, I want that to be good. I do too. Yeah, you do me.

[Darius Butler]

Foxy does.

[Pat McAfee]

What? What? Foxy said it on me. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who might have an opinion on this. He has opinions on. Everybody does. Ladies and gentlemen, gentlemen, One of the only members of the Bull ring of honor for the Houston Texans, future first ballot hall of Famer, NFL legend and CBS pregame show. Pundit. Ladies and gentlemen, J.J. j. Did you watch the match showdown last night? I think they won 10 million in crypto, which. What does that mean? Is that all the cryptos. I don't know bitcoin? Because if you get 10 million in Bitcoin, probably living pretty good. Wish this would have happened a year ago, maybe, but, like, I have no idea.

[Darius Butler]

They asked Scotty about it. He's like, I have no idea what this means. I'm gonna have to do some research. I guess it's time to do it. Yeah, it was 10 million hog to a coin. Pretty awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

There's been a lot of those coins that have popped up. Maybe they'll all hold value. I doubt it, but maybe, you know, you never know. Bitcoin feels like it's really going. Yeah, I don't know much about it.

[Darius Butler]

All time high yesterday.

[Pat McAfee]

Wow. Really?

[Darius Butler]

Again?

[AQ Shipley]

Still cooking.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, Jade.

[Darius Butler]

So bringing it.

[Pat McAfee]

How do you feel about bitcoin? And how do you feel about the golf match that took place last night?

[J.J. Watt]

Don't have a lot for you on either aspect.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, didn't watch a single Second Coming. Thought you were friends with some of those.

[J.J. Watt]

I was not told that this would be part of the required reading for the show today.

[Pat McAfee]

I understand.

[J.J. Watt]

Nobody told me.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so no homework on that. Let's talk about Chitter Chat.

[J.J. Watt]

I got to apologize to Connor. First of all, dude, it's been brought to my attention that I have been a little tough on Conor lately, and I would like to issue a formal public apology to Conor. I am sorry.

[Darius Butler]

He's making it worse, man.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm so thankful. You just deleted a tweet you sent about corner right there. That's what you just did right there. That was very kind to you. Apologize. Connor. Do you accept his apology? This is very adult of J.J. for sure, man.

[Darius Butler]

Man, let's just talk ball. I mean, what the hell are we doing here?

[Pat McAfee]

All right, let's talk ball. Do you think the Atlanta Falcons owe Kirk Cousins an apology? J. Because they sign him to a $180 million deal. One of his big things is he wanted to be the guy. Okay? He wanted to be the guy. Signs that big of a deal, you assume you're going to be a guy. Then you get to draft night, and with the eighth overall pick, the team that just paid you that, that you have not even played for or met everybody in the building or established relationships with, picks a phenomenal quarterback out of Washington, a situation then bruised from that moment forward on who's going to be the guy for The Atlanta Falcons. Is it the big money guy or the high pick guy? Then all of a sudden guy starts throwing a lot of picks and high pick guy becomes the guy can't go back to Kirk is what everybody's saying. Do you agree with that and how do you feel this entire situation has kind of played out?

[J.J. Watt]

J. I don't think you owe anybody an apology apology when you give them that much money. So I think it sucks. There's no doubt. I know he wants to play. There's no question he's a competitor, he wants to play. But also you got a lot of cash, so it's not that bad. I do think that they clearly need a spark. This didn't do what they thought it was going to do at the beginning of the year. I think there were some crazy moments, some great stuff where you see the sparks and you're like, okay, the Falcons are going to figure this thing out now. Obviously, just haven't quite figured it all out. So now very excited to see what Penix does. And I, I do think that development and time to learn is helpful. So I'm really looking forward to seeing how he performs.

[Pat McAfee]

Do you think Kirk backup quarterback over there now and how's that entire situation? Because yes, he did get paid a massive amount of money. And Tom Brady's entire point about Daniel Jones's situation when he asked for his release now he's a member of the Minnesota Vikings practice squad. Tom Brady said, they gave you a lot of money. They took care of you. Like that's your team. You were there for him. And if they asked you to play scout team safety, I would do that. He said, I go back to my times at Michigan. I was asked to do that at the beginning of my career with New England. I was backup. Tom Brady basically went on a full pitch about like, the Giants have given you a lot and for you just to be like, nah, I'm not doing anything but be starting quarterback he hated. Now there's a lot of people that have sympathized with Daniel Jones too because of how that entire situation has played out. So let's not. We don't have to rehash. Yeah.

[J.J. Watt]

I mean, because you also have to say, like Saquon did a lot for the Giants. They didn't reward him. Like, I get it. Maybe not contract or everything, but like this at the end of the day, this is a business. Like I'm. You kind of, you kind of lose. Lose all the like feely stuff. It is a business. And if you can get Your release. Get it like, I mean it's benefited him. You might as well try.

[Pat McAfee]

So what do you think happens with Kirk?

[J.J. Watt]

Well, he has a pretty significant no trade clause from what I understand. So he kind of holds all the cards here. So if he wants to, I mean, I mean, again, but to be honest, if you're getting paid that much and they ask you to be a backup and unless, unless they're.

[Pat McAfee]

Unless you play him in that feely stuff, shouldn't he want to get.

[Darius Butler]

I know, I know.

[J.J. Watt]

I'm talking myself in a circle here. Let me finish. Figure it out. I'm working through.

[Pat McAfee]

You'll get there. You'll get there.

[J.J. Watt]

I mean, I don't think it'd be wrong of him to ask for his release. I think he can absolutely do it. It's whether or not who plays the game better from that standpoint. Like if who's going to win the leverage show down there because. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. You got me there.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Okay. So maybe Kirk just does the backup role, you know, because feels like he owes the Falcons for how much they're paying. Maybe he just goes about his business, which everybody would hope that their older veteran quarterback would do for a rookie quarterback, especially if they're paying him that amount of money. And maybe Kirk is not that bummed out about it because maybe he did lose his confidence like Orlovsky and others have said and maybe he wants to find who the quarterback is that he is yet again in a slump that I don't think we've seen him have in a long, long time.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, but can. Can they bench Pennix now like Pennix is it. You can't really. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

What if Pennix throws four picks next week?

[Darius Butler]

It's hard to go back against the giants.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, Kirk. 180 million dollar guy. Remember, put your ass back out there.

[Darius Butler]

This guy sucks. We screwed up again.

[Pat McAfee]

This is on us. But once again we got a chance to see it, you know, but then at that point season would they still be in it with the Bucks? Potentially. But if they were to lose, kind of start slipping away a little bit, which is why I think it's such a big deal. They think they can go win right now with Penix instead of Kirk. So that means what they've seen in practice is obviously good. There's just so many different layers to this. There's so many different.

[J.J. Watt]

I don't, I don't think, I don't think you can go back, especially not this season. I mean, they've clearly made their move and if it's not working out, that means they're going to be losing games, so they're going to be out of it anyway. So then you let Penix play it out to see what you got moving forward. The only time, in my opinion, you could go back if you really want to, would be after the season going into next year. But you've really kind of undercut his legs there and took out all, you know, respect and kind of dignity out of the locker room. So it would be pretty darn tough to go back.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, let's move away from the Atlanta Falcons and let's go to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. All eyes were on Teej's left ankle whenever he came up while Lane Johnson was blocking him. Obviously very scary type of play if you're a fan or just, you know, football fan, because what TJ has brought to the entirety of the sport, that's his outside run foot too. You know, that's, that's a big get off side of his body there. What do you know about this? What should you. Or what should we think about it? And how's Teach feeling after what happened against Philadelphia on Sunday?

[J.J. Watt]

Yeah, we got a low ankle sprain there, X rays negative. It's one of those things that you just roll it really hard and it's very painful, very tough to utilize because you're a pass rusher on the edge, turning the corner on that ankle, specifically putting an insane amount of pressure into it.

[Darius Butler]

It.

[J.J. Watt]

So when you add that with the fact that they're playing the three games in 11 days or whatever, it is very difficult. But he is walking around better and feeling better than I think you would initially think the next day. So who knows? I know him. I know he's a competitor. I know he's going to want to be out there. I know he's going to do everything it takes to be out there. So we're going to see what happens. But there's no question that the three games in 11 days, this is A, nuts and B, very difficult for a situation like this, which Mahomes is also facing in Kansas City.

[Darius Butler]

JJ do you ever, you ever play.

[Pat McAfee]

Three games in 11 days? Like at any point in your career, growing up, high school, college, NFL and what do you think? I guess.

[Darius Butler]

What do you think the NFL is.

[Pat McAfee]

Thinking when they do this?

[J.J. Watt]

I mean, I think we all, I think we all know what they're thinking when they're doing this.

[Pat McAfee]

What's that? I.

[J.J. Watt]

What. I mean, there's a lot of candy cans More, more money. More money for. Oh, more, more football. More football for the people.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, football.

[J.J. Watt]

There's a Freudian slip.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, yeah, I think you gave it. Okay. We heard you what you thought. Oh, the money. I didn't think. I mean, but no football.

[Darius Butler]

Cross my mind.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, me neither. Candy Cane games.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

NFL holiday remix. Remix.

[Darius Butler]

Santa.

[J.J. Watt]

I have not, I have not played in that short of a time period. It is, it is a lot, but it's, it's tough, man. I, I, I'm looking forward to it because I'm a fan of the game now. I'm not actually in the game, so I don't have to do it. And I'm obviously Netflix Christmas Day, calling the game in Pittsburgh, so really looking forward to that. But no, there's, there's no question. I mean, nobody's, nobody's naive in thinking that it's not difficult.

[Pat McAfee]

So it's obviously good promotion for our sport, for our league. And Netflix has 270 million, I think three years. I forget the number. 270 million worldwide, you know, subscribers. So that number is going to be gigantic. I mean, Jake Paul and Mike Tyson, allegedly 60 to 70 million people, which is why I was buffering. So those Netflix deals with people are a global expansion of sport. So playing it there on that day, wonderful. Absolutely love it. But having them just instead of play on Sunday for a Thursday game, have them play on a Saturday when they've already played on Thursday and then crown in another one is certainly an aggressive decision for your, like, four top team. Like four very, very, very, very good teams. So I think there could have been much better planning. I think there could have been much when bye weeks happen. Do you add one? Because we're playing on a Wednesday now and nobody else has to. Instead of just trying to, like, cram it in, you know, and hopefully when's Christmas next year? I don't know how that shit works.

[Darius Butler]

Hopefully Thursday.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Cause if it's a Thursday, there's no problem.

[Darius Butler]

Just do it like Thanksgiving.

[Pat McAfee]

Boom. Yeah, well, that's an easy thing. Wednesday is probably, if it falls on a day where there isn't, Tuesday would be a problem. Wednesday would be a problem that they would have to figure out. But like, Mike Tomlin told us to talk good shit to the NFL about this. We won't say anything, but you need to talk good shit about it. And he's like, you're asking a lot. Especially this late into a year year with a playoff push happening and all bodies are banged up at this point, everybody in the NFL is banged up.

[J.J. Watt]

At this point, and I'll be there on Christmas Day, obviously on the call. And it's something you have to discuss, in my opinion, because of how it affects the game, because of how it affects some of these coaches decisions and things that are going to go into this game. These guys, whether it's game plan, whether it's throughout the week, how their bodies are getting ready, whether it's throughout the course of the game, if they need to manage reps or whatever it may be, whether it's this week or the Christmas Day game, that is going to play a factor in it. So I'm, I'm certainly going to bring it up and discuss it because I think it's something that is not necessarily. Fans know how hard it is, but I don't think they truly understand. You guys obviously all know how difficult that is, especially going from a Saturday to a 1pm game. It's not even like it's a night game, it's a 1pm so it's something I'll discuss, but I'm looking forward to it. I think Netflix is really prepared. I think they, they obviously had some stuff during that Jake Paul fight, and they're very confident that they've got. Got everything figured out and they put together a great crew. So I'm looking forward to having some fun. CBS is doing the production of it. It'll be great.

[Pat McAfee]

Triple H said for when Monday Night Raw debuts on Netflix January 6, he was asked, are you worried about the buffering issue that Netflix had with Jake Paul and Mike Tyson? And his answer was, if there's 60 to 70 million people trying to watch, we're okay. I mean, they're, they're gonna, they'll figure it out, hopefully. And I think Netflix understands after what happened in that particular thing can't happen again. Right. Because that's all anybody really talks about. Anybody talked about. Like, if anybody thought Mike Tyson was going to be able to hold up with his age, you were wrong. And then also Netflix's buffering problem is disgusting. That was kind of the two takeaways.

[Darius Butler]

And Tyson's butt cheeks.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, you're right. Yeah. A lot of Tyson cheeks out there. Oh, yeah, a lot of Tyson cheeks out there.

[J.J. Watt]

I also don't think Rod is going to. I think Rog probably came in and was like, hey, this, this is the NFL here. Let's lock this down. And I think that. I think it has been locked down.

[Pat McAfee]

I think that's why the NFL was so slow to kind of get into any business. Partnerships with streaming people, because they wanted to make sure that it was able to handle it and everything like that. Because, you know, I don't want to say olds run the NFL, but older people run the NFL. So they have a lot of questions about this new age. And then whenever they're talking to linear TV people and linear TV people who they've had relationships with for decades are telling them all the problems that could happen during the streaming thing, I think they were kind of gun shy to it all. So then when that Amazon deal gets done, that was a massive. Like, prove it. You know, prove that can happen. They have success on Amazon. I don't think there's been a single flub, except for people's Internet connections. I think the first.

[Darius Butler]

Right.

[Pat McAfee]

Like six weeks wasn't great. But other than that, there's been no flop. Then they go to Peacock, right. For the playoff game. No flub in there. So I think they're very, like, meticulous on how it goes about going. And I think the Netflix relationship's a very good idea. I think that's a very good idea. And good luck out there, JJ. They have like 40 people, right? They've staffed. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The machine obviously going to be.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, yeah.

[J.J. Watt]

Huh.

[Darius Butler]

She sidelined.

[Pat McAfee]

What's he doing? That's a good question. I am excited to find out.

[Darius Butler]

Just get ready for some zany stuff.

[Pat McAfee]

My brother Bert's going to be electrifying out there. We are not that a stacked lineup from top to bottom. Those Netflix relationships, though, are things that they can capitalize on. Yeah. You know, and kind of move with.

[J.J. Watt]

We just. I just did a. I just did a little promo for it that'll go on Christmas with Shane Gillis Tires for the show. Tires. We just did a little. Is Shane on crossover?

[Pat McAfee]

Is Shane on NFL Christmas?

[Darius Butler]

That.

[J.J. Watt]

That promo will be. But no, he's not on the actual broadcast.

[Pat McAfee]

Son of a former D1 football people. Forget about that.

[Darius Butler]

He served well. He did.

[Pat McAfee]

Thank you, Shane. Thank you, Shane.

[Darius Butler]

Thank you.

[Pat McAfee]

What a legend. Yeah. Tire Season 2. Can't wait for it.

[Darius Butler]

Can't wait.

[Pat McAfee]

Cannot wait for Tire Season 2. How do the Italians feel about tires? Good show.

[Darius Butler]

I thoroughly enjoyed it.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. All right, good.

[Darius Butler]

You gotta go around back, though.

[Pat McAfee]

All right. Let's continue to talk a little bit about ball here. Darius J. Butler has question for you.

[AQ Shipley]

J. Yeah. Speaking of legends, DE Has a question.

[Pat McAfee]

For J in front of age.

[AQ Shipley]

Got age. We got a lot of. A lot of.

[Pat McAfee]

My middle name.

[J.J. Watt]

What was Q's. I heard, I heard.

[Pat McAfee]

I heard Q. Q. Yeah, it's Chuck Pagano.

[J.J. Watt]

The Thunderbird. The Thunderbird over there.

[Pat McAfee]

Thunderbirds. If you want to continue with the coach. Pagano.

[AQ Shipley]

But you're not a Thunderbird.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, yeah. What happened there?

[Darius Butler]

He moved.

[J.J. Watt]

No, I. I didn't. I didn't get a robe. I didn't get a robe.

[Darius Butler]

Bird left the nest.

[Pat McAfee]

Wow.

[Darius Butler]

Bird left the nest.

[J.J. Watt]

I remember. I remember when Pat met the Thunderbirds for the first time.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. He was there, James.

[J.J. Watt]

I don't think he. I don't think Pat.

[Pat McAfee]

I do remember. I was on. I was on a different planet in that particular one, and I don't remember why. We were doing Super Bowl Radio Row.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah. It was the Radio row over there.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And I was being gifted by everybody that I met. Hey, try this one. Try this one. Try this one. And thank God nobody, you know, put anything else in there. But I certainly headed. Headed north to the clouds there. And we walk in legal there, by the way. It's a legal state.

[Darius Butler]

There's a pickleball run, too. So we're a little tired.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. A little wind. A little exhausted because we've been playing all night. Pickleball introduced Thunderbirds here to pickleball. And then we. I walk in there. I had no idea what that was. JH I had no idea what I was walking into.

[J.J. Watt]

Neither did I.

[Pat McAfee]

My first view, looking around. Holy. What a lot of people. There's thousands of people here. And I had sunglasses go on immediately. And it's like I thought I was coming to a go. Is this a golf event or a rock concert? You know what I mean?

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, a little bit of both.

[Pat McAfee]

That's literally what I thought I was. It was awesome.

[J.J. Watt]

First person I ran into was Miz. Miz had a lot of energy. Came with a lot of energy always.

[Pat McAfee]

And if there's an opportunity, Miz is taking it. Yeah. I don't even have to.

[Darius Butler]

No, that. That range is over everything.

[Pat McAfee]

Don't even have to do it, especially in the golf world. I mean, he is so. You weren't. He was so nervous. Biz was very nervous. I talked to him before his shot, then he celebrated. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Hit the green.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Rolled off, though.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I actually ended up closer than him. And I duffed mine because it rolled up in there. He hit the green, so he thought he had a celebration moment. That thing rolls all the way off. That's. That sucks for the Miz, to be clear. Just like when the Miz hit that half court shot in the NBA All Star game and it was half a Second.

[Darius Butler]

Oh man, it would have won the game. Would have been awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

Didn't count.

[AQ Shipley]

So close.

[Pat McAfee]

Don't get to have the moment. Of course Miz doesn't get to have the moment. He was high fiving Snoop. Oh yeah, he was having Fat Joe was leaning back. Couldn't have it. That's Miz football. Hey, Miz. We love you, buddy. Love you. M. He was dressed like an at that event, if I do recall, wasn't he? Do you remember that he had the whole. I do. I do hear the pain. Yeah. Pain Stewart stuff. Yeah. What an absurd thing. Now let's get back to ball, please, shall we? D Buckle.

[AQ Shipley]

Back to ball. Specifically Dan Campbell football. Mcdc had you tweeting about fighting Bears and all type of shit on Sunday. Obviously have lost a ton of guys on defense now that you had a few days of sleep on it. How do you feel about Dan Campbell's aggressive decisions been going and going forward. How do you feel about Dan Campbell?

[J.J. Watt]

Well, I think, I think him obviously after the game having time to think about it, even said it himself. So like I think it's. You don't want to crush him too much because I think he knows he kind of hindsight 20 20. But a lot of his decisions, the fourth down decisions, even the one against the packers where it's like, wow, I don't, I don't know how many people would do that. But okay, I get it. You believe in your team. That's a. The, the percentage chance of that being successful was significantly higher than this onside kick choice. Now everybody keeps trying to bring up to me, oh, what about the Saints in the Super Bowl? That was a crazy one. But you know, why don't you talk about that? You don't have. You have to understand the new rules have made this insane. He. You have to declare you're doing it on side. There is no element of surprise. There is no chance to catch him off guard. This is. The referee says they are going to try an onside kick. The recovery team lines up to stop it it and they recover it 93% of the time. There were 12 minutes left in the game. You were down by 10 points. This is crazy. And the people also saying, well 7% they weren't stopping the Bill's offense. So there was actually a better chance of them recovering that onside than there was of them stopping. No, that's not true. That's just not true. You literally had a better chance to stop them. So this didn't make sense in any capacity. I think he realizes that. I think everybody realizes it was pretty wild.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And you know, the conversation that we've been having is the Lions defense because they're so banged up. And it's what people are saying to you about stopping Josh in the moment. Like, yeah, this is like when Jeff Fisher kicked three onside kicks in the first quarter against Peyton Manning. Led Indianapolis Colts when he was the Tennessee Titans. He started the game with a surprise onside kick lined up as an onside kick. I think the second one and then the third one. Same exact thing. And I think they got two of them. I think they got two of them or whatever, because the Colts were surprised. And then when he was interviewed, he said, yeah, they're going to get to both 40. Okay. Wow, that's two first downs for these guys and Peyton's going to get that. But that message he sent to his team there, you know, imagine sitting in.

[J.J. Watt]

That team meeting room as a defensive player. All right, guys, Peyton's going to score either way, so you guys suck. So I'm going to onside kick it every time. Like, what the.

[Pat McAfee]

So Bill Belichick did this against. Against Peyton and the boys in the AFC championship game or divisional round?

[Darius Butler]

No, division.

[AQ Shipley]

I was. Wait, the fourth and two?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

No, that was regular season. Unless you're talking about an onside kick. The fourth and two at the time. That was regular season.

[Pat McAfee]

Was it? I thought it was in playoffs. Yeah, I thought it was in playoffs. It was not in playoffs.

[AQ Shipley]

No. Regular season.

[Pat McAfee]

Late then it was late in the season, right?

[AQ Shipley]

Was it kind of late?

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

But we started off first half great playing defense. I was a Patriot at that time. And then late in the game, Peyton made some adjustments. He would just pick us apart at that point in the game as a defensive player that was playing. Go for it.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, go for it in the game with Tom. Tom.

[AQ Shipley]

Come on, baby. Throw it to Kevin Falk. West welcome. You boys go for it. Cuz I got to line up with Reg in the slot and Dallas Clark and like Garon, like they were rolling.

[Pat McAfee]

Cooking at that point, but that's the difference.

[J.J. Watt]

Fourth and two is so much higher probability than the current onside kick kick. That's what people. I'm so blown away that people are like, it's the same. He's always been this aggressive. No, even going for it on 4th and 10 is significantly more possible than these current on site kicks. And you can speak to it. You know all about the special. Like these current on site kicks. It's basically you're not getting yeah, the.

[Pat McAfee]

Surprise element, getting taken out of it is certainly something you ever been on a receiving end of. A surprise on site kick from another team?

[J.J. Watt]

Not a surprise, no. But there was one game where a team. We were trying to kick an onside kick at the end of the game. It was Bill O'Brien's first ever game as the coach. And I went up to him and I said, put me out there. I'm gonna go get it. And he goes, okay. And he put me out there, and I did not get it.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I had a surprise on sidekick against you guys right in the middle of your feet.

[J.J. Watt]

Oh, oh, right. I wasn't out there. I wasn't out there.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, because you were scared to be out there. You know, you were scared to be out there. And I would, too, if I were you.

[J.J. Watt]

That game still pisses me off because it's on every single. It's on every morning on the Pat McAfee Show. Introduction. We put on.

[Pat McAfee]

Look at me.

[Darius Butler]

I.

[Pat McAfee]

Look at me.

[J.J. Watt]

I can kick the ball. I can recover the ball.

[Pat McAfee]

And I called it myself. I mean, there's a lot of things that go. There's. There's a lot of elements to that particular play there that really just kind of explain everything about me, and that's why it's in there.

[J.J. Watt]

But, boy, it's a great play, man.

[Pat McAfee]

Chuck asked me later if I wanted to do it again. He's like, do we want to have the middle dribbler in there again? I'm like, I don't think I'll ever be able to hit that ball like that again. We should go to the right.

[J.J. Watt]

It was brilliant.

[Pat McAfee]

It was cool.

[J.J. Watt]

It was so frustrating because then I had to go out there, too. I was sitting on the bench. I was just ready to hang out.

[Pat McAfee]

We just scored. I think we just kicked a field goal. Vinatieri just kicked.

[J.J. Watt]

We were. We were down deep in that game, and then we. We started to come back and just. It was too big of a deficit. That was again, Ty. Ty over the top. Every time.

[Pat McAfee]

Ty was nicknamed the Ghost. Do you know why he was nicknamed the Ghost? Because every time he played the Houston Texans, he would disappear behind their defense. Every time he's got to go for a 180, 200. I forget, get. It was like, crazy, insane. And literally, they called him after the second time he played Houston. That guy's a ghost back there. And it was like, yes, he is.

[J.J. Watt]

That is a. I know the exact play. I know exactly what happened on the back end. I know exactly the coverage I know. I can picture it clear as day in my head right now.

[Pat McAfee]

Glory days.

[J.J. Watt]

Hey, you guys. No, you're right there.

[Pat McAfee]

Now.

[J.J. Watt]

Hold on.

[Pat McAfee]

Connor has. Connor has a question.

[Darius Butler]

Jj, you know, forget about the past, talk about right now. The Texans back to back AFC south champions. It's got to be fantastic to be a Texans fan right now. How do you feel about the current state of the Texans? Do you think they can go on a run here or do you think these, what is it, three games in 11 days is really going to bite them in the ass because they're also one of those teams that has to play that with that quick turnaround.

[J.J. Watt]

I think they needed the bye week that they just had. I do. I think they were going through it a little bit. I think they needed the bye week to kind of reset, recoup, came out, get a nice win. And now on Saturday, they've got the Chiefs with either a slightly banged up Mahomes or no Mahomes. We'll find out, who knows. And it's a. It's a chance for them. Three games in 11 days can either be really, really tough on you or it can be a major catalyst. And I think this team had that chance to recoup. Now their offense does still need to figure it out a bit. I mean, their defense is playing lights out. Daniel hunter, Will Anderson, Jr. Stingley, these guys are playing great ball. Special teams, I mean, special teams set them up for this touchdown right here with CJ Denico in the red zone. But the offense just. There's just something little there that hasn't quite been clicking. And I think if they can get that going, they can make a deep run. But if the offense doesn't start to return to what they were able to do last year, it's going to be tough.

[Pat McAfee]

All this is happening without Aziz Al Shier, who will be back for the playoff run. So you think him returning them coming off a by being ready to go, I think Houston Texans can go on and represent the AFC south in. In proper fashion.

[Darius Butler]

Amen.

[Pat McAfee]

Enjoy action.

[J.J. Watt]

Somebody has to. Somebody has to.

[AQ Shipley]

We're still in the hunt.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we're lurking. Did you hear that banner Bannock?

[J.J. Watt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Colts. Right now we're a bunch of Sharks Neckton mentality, brother.

[Darius Butler]

Isn't there a way for all seven of these teams to be locked in after this week as well?

[Pat McAfee]

So there is a chance. And for the Colts to get in, I do believe the Ravens would have to lose two of their last three games and somebody else would have to win out and somebody else would have to lose two games. So know, never know.

[Darius Butler]

Still possible.

[Pat McAfee]

Crazier things have happened, haven't they?

[Darius Butler]

Chargers could lose to the path.

[Pat McAfee]

6.8 percentage percent was the exact percentage you're looking for for those on site kicks. So whenever you say 93, actually 93.2, it's not even a full 7%. People are rounding up the success rate on those things. Whenever you talk about that, is there any.

[J.J. Watt]

Do you as. As a specialist, do you think there's any, any way to make it. Obviously if they could, they would make it better. But like it's. It sucks, right?

[AQ Shipley]

It just sucks.

[J.J. Watt]

It's not fun.

[Pat McAfee]

They've been slowly killing the onside kick for a while and the overloads, the amount of people, the run up, everything, and then now having to declare that you're doing it. And I don't love it legitimately, I don't love it. I think the onside kick was like a part of the, the game that we had at least at the Colts because Chuck believed in me, I think, and I worked on him and there was an opportunity to actually get him and change the game and steal a possession and things like that. But with all the rules, it's fucking. They're trying to make it to a 4th and 15 or whatever. Like it feels like. Yeah, because they're. You. You essentially eliminate the onside kick when you have no overload, no run up and you can't surprise anybody. So that's basically just saying, like, this is not going to be a successful thing. Kickers also, I think stopped working on them because of the lack of success. So why would you waste any practice time? Because to work on those, like a high hop, that's a lot of, A lot of hip. And then you're banging your toe directly into the ball, which hurts like shit. So it's like you're ripping your groin in your hip and you're bruising your toe off the ball. So why would you sign up to do that when there's little to no chance of you recovering? So I think kickers have gotten worse at onside kicks as well as opposed to what they have been in the past. But like, Bates had two good ones. He had a middle dribbler and he hit one to the right. They were good. He's a weapon. But I think they're going to do the. I think it's gonna be a fourth down play. I think that's coming.

[J.J. Watt]

I think it'll be awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

What fourth down play, the fourth and.

[J.J. Watt]

15 yeah, I think that'll be awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

That's because you hate specialists.

[Darius Butler]

Do you think they could bring the overload back? Because hitting has gotten a little more like safe, if you will. Yeah, safe.

[Pat McAfee]

4Th down and 20 on their own. 25 is the potential alternative that has been pitched in the past. 4th and 20 on their own. 25. 5 electric. Which would be electrifying. Could you imagine MC DC rolling that out? 12 minutes left. Golf. We're going 0 and 25. You don't get this. Already in scoring position. 10 point game now. Definitely a 13 point game. You don't pick this up. Ready, set, go. All right, here we go. Ben Johnson drop a 20 yard play.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Just draw this thing up.

[J.J. Watt]

Hooking ladder, Even that. Even that. Already I feel like the percentages are better because you could catch something lucky you got a pass interference call, you get something like. Like the percentage are already way better there.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. 1010 game in the fourth, which has certainly happened. Offenses have been non existent. So now there's the same exact outcome probably as there was for an onside kick. But every once in a while there's going to be a team and I hope this, if this does happen with the 4th and 20 on their own 25 team gets hot and they say check ball, ball game, make it take it. And they just run that fucker.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Just 28, nothing before the other team even touches the ball. Just.

[AQ Shipley]

Gotta.

[Pat McAfee]

We want the ball and we're gonna score four straight times. Your defense is cropped. Could you fathom. Could you fathom the third, fourth and 20 just in a row in this first quarter. Team scores on one big hitter. We want. Yeah, let's do this again. Bang another one. Bang another one. 21 zip.

[J.J. Watt]

Middle of the defense just, just roasted out there. Just roasted dead.

[Pat McAfee]

That would be awesome.

[Darius Butler]

That was one of the stipulations I was. You had to be losing, unfortunately, because remember we, we talked about that possibility when the Chiefs were rolling. It's like they're going to be up 35 nothing before anyone even has a chance to do anything.

[Pat McAfee]

To be clear, they haven't passed the rule yet. So we think you should pull that one out.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Let it, let it make it, take it situation take place. If that's what the teams want to do. If MC DC wants to send his offense out on the field field and has his defense have zero snaps for the entire first half, let the guy do it. But we do.

[J.J. Watt]

You have to be losing. I mean this is all speculative obviously, but you have to be losing and does it have to be the fourth quarter or could you do it any aim? Because then I could see team goes up 7, 0, you know, boom, boom. You could, you could miss the extra point. So it's 7, 6. You can also onside it immediately.

[Pat McAfee]

How do we game this thing? How do we, how do we game it a little bit. That's what football people will do and I think the NFL will figure it out. There has been, I think, six other teams that have gone three games in 11 days. I think there's been six other teams that have gone. I just got a message from a source. A source?

[Darius Butler]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Within the, the stats world of the NFL and they're all teams that are not in the playoffs. So I don't know. Hey, good luck to the four powerhouses that are playing 3 and a 11. Nonetheless, AQ Shipley has a question for you.

[Darius Butler]

JJ JJ, with a couple weeks left in the season, what teams do you see that are built to withstand the playoffs and make a run?

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[J.J. Watt]

I mean I think this is a, this is a real deep playoff, playoff squad. Because I, I always, for this year, for some reason I keep looking at the Ravens and I think of the Ravens and I think of their losses and you know, when I immediately think of the Ravens, I think of just Juggernaut. I think of Derrick Henry and how he's running wild. I think of Lamar playing at an absolute MVP caliber again and I think of how difficult they are to stop, yet they still sit there with five losses. So they're going to be there going on the road to somebody as it sits right now. And that is a tough, tough task for anybody. I think the Chargers with their defense. I think, you know, Jesse Minter's got that defense playing lights out and somebody's going to have to face that. And it could be possibly somebody like the Bills trying to go up against that defense. So, and then you flip it over to the NFC and you got the packers who are sitting there right now as I think, what, six or. Yeah, six seed that. I mean they're 10 and four and they're sitting third place in their division. It's, it's a very, very deep, difficult one. And then you look at some of these other teams, like the Rams started out with a four game losing streak early in the season. Now they're sitting there at 8 and 6 and they're. All of a sudden you're like, holy, can the Rams do this? I wouldn't want to face the Bucks. This, this is a really deep, tough playoff. So And I, I, I really like the Vikings. I think Brian Flores and the defense, I think their edges and John Granard and Andrew Van Ginkel are lights out. I think they're extremely underrated. I think they are wildly underrated, and people don't give them enough credit. So it's going to be a hell of a playoff set this year.

[Pat McAfee]

Anybody that gets in has a chance to go on the run. Obviously, Eagles are a team that we all think are going to be able to go rolling, and that'd be great for the Jaw. One team that we thought was going to be able to go just forever. Seemingly, this was their window. Even though they hadn't won a Super bowl yet, they had had massive success every year, and there was no different of expectation on this particular season. It's gone a different direction. Ty has a question for you.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, J.J. it's kind of cooled off now, but the whole Devondre Campbell situation with the 49ers was a big deal last week. Have you ever been in a situation like that where a guy just refused to go into the game? It seems like that's happened more this year than it has in the past. And also, like, I mean, obviously, for a guy like that who's, you know, I mean, he was starting all year, but then for whatever reason, you know, it goes south. Like, is there anything you can say to kind of try to try to change that? Because Nick Bosa said, like, hey, I heard him in the locker room before the game or at halftime. He was bitching about it already. But I decided just not to say anything and just let sleeping dogs lie.

[Pat McAfee]

And then I.

[Darius Butler]

Obviously, everything blew up and it was a massive deal.

[J.J. Watt]

Yeah, I've never had it happen mid game. I have had it happen. You know, if you're out of the playoff scene and there's two games left, all of a sudden a guy catches a phantom hamstring or comes down with a sickness or something, you're like, okay, I see what's going down here, but I've never had it happen mid game. And I think the way that the Niners players are talking about it tells you everything you need to know about it, because you generally, you know, if there was something else going on there, if there's something like they're, they're pretty clear about what's happening. And the hardest thing is how are you going in that locker room and looking a guy like Dre Greenlaw in the eye when he, you know, had to fight back from the injuries and is coming back and is trying to do everything he possibly can to be out there. Somebody else out there who's battling through multiple injuries and just doing whatever he can to be on the field for his guys like that. The locker room is. Is a sacred place, man. And like, if you're not going to go out there and lay it on the line for your boys, it's.

[Pat McAfee]

It's.

[J.J. Watt]

It's just. It's a. You can't do that.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, they came out and said as such, too players. Yeah, you know, they came out and were like, didn't even know that was possible. Have no idea what's going on. But is that a sign of a bigger culture issue? The hell's going on out there? CMC being injured, obviously a massive deal. The injuries they've had to deal with, obviously tough, but it's like they just feel like a different team than they've ever felt. Don't you agree?

[J.J. Watt]

Oh, absolutely. I mean, I had them in the NFC championship before the season started, like many people did, and no idea. Like, there's no. Obviously when you lose guy like cmc, it hurts, but they're. They've been able to scheme it up. They've been able to find ways. Iu, Devo Kittle. I mean, like, think of the weapons that they have on both sides of the ball. It just. It doesn't really add up right now. I think they're just as baffled as everybody else. They're trying to figure it out.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's head to Hammer. Tone Diggs, what's your question for J?

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, jj, I wanted to ask you about Buddha Baker because he is a guy that, you know well, he just got a huge extension, and we were watching him earlier today, like, how good he is. Is he one of the most underrated defensive players in the league?

[J.J. Watt]

Do you think Buddha is one of those guys that you absolutely, absolutely love to have in your locker room? Because he is going to bring it every single day. Practice, meeting, game, weight room. Doesn't matter what it is. Buddha Baker is going to be the same guy every day, and that is an intense, badass dude. Every day he is going to come up into the defensive line. He'll talk to the defensive line and say, I'm gonna get more sacks than you. I'm gonna get more TFLs than you. He'll talk to the offensive line, say, I can beat you. I'll run you over. He'll. He'll forearm shiver a tackle on his way to a tfl. He does not care. And then he'll also drop into the Deep third and pick off one of the best receivers in the league. He's. He's a lot of fun to play with. He's extremely deserving, and he's been one of the perfect trendsetters for what the Arizona Cardinals want to be moving forward in. That is the embodiment of what they would like to be.

[Pat McAfee]

I love Buddha Baker. He's been on our show a couple times. I think he's been great. And there was a time where the Cardinal were potentially not going to pay him. You remember that?

[Darius Butler]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And then they end up paying them. Now they're doing it again. Feels like they understand who they have. I think Cardinals fans understand who they have. The NFL hasn't got a chance to fully experience the Buddha Baker experience because Cardinals haven't been in primetime games as much. Now, hopefully going forward, they're able to do that with Jonathan Gannon and with Kyler Murray playing his best ball. James Connor, too, being able to run people over, can they get into prime time? Into the light? That's how we'll find out if people will be introduced. A two Buddha Baker. He's fun player. Yeah. He goes so fast. Yeah, he's so fast. Everywhere that he goes, we're talking.

[J.J. Watt]

He's one of those guys. He's one of those guys that just like, doesn't. He doesn't. In his head, he's so much bigger than his body actually is, which is awesome. You can literally see it play itself out flies.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

We're talking. Even if you don't know where you're going, which he does. High football iq. Just go somewhere fast. It's like some they say in football.

[J.J. Watt]

But now that I've talked all that. We're. We're friends. So I can say this. Now that I've talked all that good stuff about him. Still did get hawked by DK Metcalf.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Big time.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. People remember that. What a scene that. Get over here.

[Darius Butler]

That meme lives forever.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, as we wrap up here on espn, I think we need to let the people figure out the Internet had questions and we put out a bird call. We said all you got to use is AskJGE in Boston. Connor will roll through and pitch some of the questions that the world wants to know. J. Let's fly through these before we exit espn. Glorious. What Wednesday. Go ahead, Foxy. This is from Nick Moraldo. AskJ. Favorite Christmas movie and song and sweet look on the gift there in the quote tweet. Wait.

[J.J. Watt]

Favorite Christmas movie is Christmas Vacation. But personal to Me is jingle all the way. And then favorite Christmas song is the. The famous one. It's the most wonderful time of the year. It's the most wonderful time of the year.

[Pat McAfee]

Most wonderful time. The most wonderful time. The most wonderful time of the year. That was okay.

[J.J. Watt]

Oh, good one.

[Pat McAfee]

The vacate Christmas vacation. Doing that in a Dick's commercial had to be pretty surreal. Good for you. And then personal jingle all the way. Arnold Schwarzenegger hero, obviously. Yeah. So we understand. We appreciate that. Obviously. You mess. Missed Sant De.

[J.J. Watt]

Put that cookie down now.

[Pat McAfee]

Pretty good.

[Darius Butler]

That is not bad.

[Pat McAfee]

Pretty good.

[Darius Butler]

Okay.

[AQ Shipley]

Wow.

[Pat McAfee]

We didn't know that was in there. Jamie. Whoa.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Wow. Damn good. This guy's got talent. That's why he's so good. Commercial.

[J.J. Watt]

That's me and my brothers. That's my brothers and I watch that religious honestly.

[Pat McAfee]

Jingle all the ways. Great. Turbo man. Obviously highly sought after shout out to Arnold. Making it happen as that neighbor. Rest in peace. He's trying to pork his wife the entire time. Screwed up Santa Claus. Amazing. Grinch. Phenomenal. There's a lot of great home alone. Obviously go through it all. All right, let's get to the next Hashtag Ask JJ it's from a ham sandwich. Alarm salad. Hashtag ash. Have aliens visited Earth? That's a good question. What do you think about what's going on in New Jersey?

[J.J. Watt]

J. J. AJ Hawks right there.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[Darius Butler]

Boom.

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe haven't even thought about that. Not me. But there are. They are among us. It sounds like that's age. How about Ask J. What is your answer?

[J.J. Watt]

I mean, I feel like they got to have. They have to have been here at some point. Yes. Whether it was way before us or something. But somebody. Somebody's been here at some point.

[AQ Shipley]

Still here, still bringing.

[Darius Butler]

Still bringing it.

[Pat McAfee]

Boom. Hopefully that's not what they do. Yeah, hopefully they. They are not bringing any booms. To you. Yeah. Or to me.

[Darius Butler]

No.

[Pat McAfee]

As well. We're hoping we'll be back tomorrow. Kicking off already week 16 of the NFL season.

[J.J. Watt]

Wow.

[Darius Butler]

All NFL holiday remake. Be a friend.

[Pat McAfee]

Tell a friend something nice might change their life. We'll see you tomorrow. Goodbye. Okay, so I almost said it, but I didn't. I knew I didn't have enough time. We're on YouTube right now. We're on ESPN plus run Disney plus. We're on TikTok live. TikTok and its future were certainly a big question mark. Now allegedly it's going to Supreme Court.

[Darius Butler]

Hell yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Do you know that judge?

[J.J. Watt]

I have. I have been aware of this for a Couple years. I wanted to invest in TikTok at one point. Point. So I. I became very interested in the inner workings of how this all goes with them.

[Pat McAfee]

What's going on over there? Jade. Just so we can. I didn't.

[J.J. Watt]

I'm right here. I didn't.

[Darius Butler]

So.

[J.J. Watt]

Hello.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah. Nihau. J.

[Pat McAfee]

Hope those are real work she needs. Thank you. I believe in Chinese.

[Darius Butler]

In Mandarin. Yeah. I forget what shishi ni means. That is a word.

[Pat McAfee]

Shay.

[Darius Butler]

Shay.

[J.J. Watt]

Probably gonna want to figure that out.

[Pat McAfee]

Sorry. I speak English, but I try my best. Also.

[Darius Butler]

There are many different guy.

[Pat McAfee]

I believe shishi is. Thank you. Yeah. I'm actually more. This is the same thing. Talking about the damn Thunderbirds. It's unbelievable.

[Darius Butler]

Unbelievable.

[Pat McAfee]

It's unbelievable. I know more about this guy's little cult than he did.

[Darius Butler]

I don't know if that's his name. I don't know.

[Pat McAfee]

Sure is.

[Darius Butler]

All right. Gravy in the sleeves for sure. I mean, I've been to China, so I do know.

[J.J. Watt]

Is that an actual Thunderbirds shirt? Do they have merch?

[Pat McAfee]

Yes. No. They got uniforms.

[J.J. Watt]

I know, but that's not uniform.

[Darius Butler]

Swag. They have merch. Who.

[Pat McAfee]

Who's buying?

[J.J. Watt]

Thunderbirds merch or you only get it if you're in it.

[Darius Butler]

Gifted. Bingo.

[AQ Shipley]

I earned it, brother.

[Pat McAfee]

You know how they're getting it.

[J.J. Watt]

It is a nice sweatshirt.

[Darius Butler]

Thanks. Appreciate it. I've been wearing some good sweatshirts.

[AQ Shipley]

You have the one you had earlier still.

[Darius Butler]

The one. The one earlier was a good one. The Remington State one's a good one.

[Pat McAfee]

He had a Remington trophy. He had a Christmas sweater on a couple weeks ago. The Thanksgiving one. The he. It was a Remington Trophy hoodie. 4x that only he had because it was given to the winner of the Remington award. That was. Was a. That was a very cool one. But then when he put the Thunderbirds on, we said, wow, that outfit really came together.

[Darius Butler]

It did.

[Pat McAfee]

Didn't we think that.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah. Absolutely. Color.

[J.J. Watt]

It is a great sweatshirt. Looks cool. Really good colors. Clean, easy.

[Pat McAfee]

What do you have to do to get in? That's a good question. H. Thank you for asking. Ask a.

[Darius Butler]

You don't have to do anything to get it. You just got to get invited in. You ever heard of the baby bro do anything?

[J.J. Watt]

So you do have to do something.

[Darius Butler]

You just get invited.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't think you had somebody. You had. Yeah.

[J.J. Watt]

You had to get in to the group.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

That's a joke, dude. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

But I know.

[AQ Shipley]

I know.

[Darius Butler]

I know what AJ was asking. I know what he was asking.

[Pat McAfee]

Is it blood? In blood out. Well, I mean, your.

[J.J. Watt]

Your response right now is a little concerning. You know what he's asking, but you're not answering.

[Pat McAfee]

The only way you get out of Thunderbirds is in jail or a coffin. Is that. Is that what Thunderbirds?

[Darius Butler]

No. Who's that? Is that the port worker?

[Pat McAfee]

No, I believe that's mafia. That's kind of the.

[J.J. Watt]

Oh, were the pickleball games code? Was that code?

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, I didn't think about that. Because Ryan Smith, remember he was saying.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, pickle and somebody's goal or the underground.

[J.J. Watt]

Yeah, the billionaire basement Pickleball.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes.

[Darius Butler]

Yes. You should come over to the billionaire's basement. Let's see what you got. See what you got.

[Pat McAfee]

Now, I don't.

[J.J. Watt]

Now I don't know what you got over there. Do I have to wear a robe?

[Pat McAfee]

Could you imagine those super wealthy people in that Phoenix basement watching AQ and JJ Watts bar rating from. Look at this. We got. Oh, we got orangutan taking on a gorilla. Look what we have happening.

[Darius Butler]

How's it get better than this?

[Pat McAfee]

I mean, this is the life that we need. It's amazing.

[Darius Butler]

That would have been good.

[Pat McAfee]

Phoenix, great city.

[Darius Butler]

Great city. Come on out. J.J. left it.

[Pat McAfee]

What?

[Darius Butler]

J.J. said I'm out.

[Pat McAfee]

That's because you guys didn't invite him with the Thunderbirds.

[Darius Butler]

That's right. He had plenty of time.

[J.J. Watt]

I didn't have enough beads. I didn't earn them.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, you earn them by giving back to the community, not by doing anything you're thinking right now in your head.

[J.J. Watt]

Okay? Be you do.

[Pat McAfee]

What? Let's go. The next question. I want to let you know everything he said. Malori.

[J.J. Watt]

Nothing gives me more pride than making AJ laugh. So that one. That one hurt.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, you know The Kevin Bubba McCabe. It's a good Irish laugh here at KMAC. McCabe, McCabe. Hashtag Ask J.

[Darius Butler]

Not to be confused with McQuaid, obviously.

[Pat McAfee]

Hashtag ash. J. Who's the best coach in the NFL right now? It's a good question. You know, Tone has an AP vote for coach of the year. Is the best coach in the NFL and coach of the year the same person. J. And who would you say that is?

[J.J. Watt]

I mean, we kind of know about, like, how the awards work. It's a little bit more of like a what's happening right now or who hasn't gotten in the wild type thing. Think the best coach in the NFL is Andrew Reid.

[Pat McAfee]

Why? Because they have the most wins? Less least amount of losses?

[J.J. Watt]

No, I. I don't think people appreciate how much how hard it is to do what they've done not only over the last couple years, but obviously this year. Not being quite the same team, not having. But still being 12 and 1 and still being the best and finding different ways to win. I mean, he is literally. He's get gotten all his guys to buy in to. We are going to win how we have to, not how we want to. It's not going to be the most stylish, it's not going to be the most flashy. Not everybody's going to get all these crazy stats. But we are going to win games because this is what we have to do. They have the. I believe it's the longest amount of plays per drive during the Mahomes era and they have the least amount of explosive plays during the Mahomes era. But they're. Because that's just. They're just matriculating the ball down the field. Their defense is playing good and Andy Reid has gotten everybody to buy into that. He's got the right coaches. He's just done such a great job.

[Pat McAfee]

All the while eating cheeseburgers.

[Darius Butler]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

We sent him a cheeseburger on National Cheeseburger Day. He said thank you. And he's, I think his players, all of them. He is a attention to detail, accountability type coach too. Right. Didn't you play for him?

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, big time. He's all about dressing like you play in the game. So he's. It's tight jerseys, tucking your shirts in. I mean, he does everything very detailed.

[Pat McAfee]

And they love them over there. God, they love him over there. How could you not if you win that much? They win all the time.

[J.J. Watt]

It's just so easy to overlook, obviously, because he has Patrick Mahomes, he has some of these great players. He got spags as the coordinator. But you have to understand and respect how hard head coaching is in this league. And he's done a great job at it.

[Pat McAfee]

And Tobe is a special teams guy. I mean, you're talking about three hall of Famers, basically coordinator positions. I think Tobe is situations guy too. I saw him telling Andy Reid a couple things about a penalty or not taking a penalty time when they were doing it. Feels like they're all on the same page, rowing in the same direction, trying to accomplish something that's never been done. Are they going be able to do it this year? Chiefs, from what you've seen, you think they're going to be able to win three straight here? Playoffs are tough, man. Playoffs people will expose in the playoffs. I mean, that's just how it is. They've been the ones that have been exposing others over the last few years. Is that going to remain or is there a chance that they run into somebody that's, you know, humming at this?

[J.J. Watt]

I think there's. There's no doubt there's a chance. This is the debate we had in the green room this week on CBS is we just keep going back.

[AQ Shipley]

Take us in a green room, peek behind the curtain.

[Pat McAfee]

Is.

[J.J. Watt]

It's just. Is this. Is this the Chiefs where they figure it out as the season goes on and then once the playoffs come, like they have that clutch team they just figured out at the end of a game, whether it's a kick going off the crossbar, whether it's, you know, finding a way, blocking a field goal, they just find a way. Are they going to do that again? Is it going to keep in the Chiefs or are they just patching it together and band aiding it together week by week right now and come to playoffs, Somebody's going to come in and. And just take that all down. We. It obviously goes back and forth. I have no idea. But I think Pat, we're going to see on Saturday if he's healthy or not. Like, do you wait? Do you not wait? Do you let him get fully healthy or do you play for that first round buy so then he's healthy later. There's a lot going on with these three games in 11 days.

[Pat McAfee]

Carson Wentz is the quarterback of the Chiefs. Be fun. I'll be excited to see what Andy Reid does with Carson. All right. You're going to break four tackles on this play. Need you to because we got Xavier Worthy actually running. You see what he's running? This is the route he's running. It's whoopty woo. They're calling it triple whoopty woo. So he'll be down here. All you gotta do is break this tackle, spin around this guy, bounce off the ball here, pivot. Find your footing. These guys should be exhausted. This is a 15 second play. Xavier Worthy will be in this corner waiting for you. That we're calling it. Wentz.

[Darius Butler]

Only one guy who can do it.

[Pat McAfee]

You're the guy.

[Darius Butler]

Get in there.

[Pat McAfee]

Good luck. There's a chance that happens and there's a chance that Patrick Mahomes is proven and time and time and time and time and time again.

[J.J. Watt]

What do you think?

[Pat McAfee]

Timelines mean nothing to this guy. Timelines mean absolutely nothing to this Wolverine blood.

[AQ Shipley]

He'll be out there.

[Pat McAfee]

He does have Wolverine blood. And he also, I think, has this Mentality and potentially from his dad, because the way his dad played baseball and I think the way he grew up, it's like, if you can play, you play. Like, what are we even talking about, do you think?

[Darius Butler]

Because Christmas is such a quick turnaround.

[Pat McAfee]

In my eyes, if I'm Patrick Mahomes, I am not very clearly sure. It would be so cool, though. So cool. Gonna have to be tough. Gonna have to handle a lot of things. But you're Patrick Mahomes. I don't play on Saturday. I play for Christmas. But he has defied timelines literally every single year, seemingly. So I'm vastly different than he is.

[J.J. Watt]

I have a question for the guys in this group that obviously played ankle sprains. You guys have had them low, high, whatever it may be. There are two very distinct schools of thought on them that I've seen teammates and myself try both. I'm curious what you guys have tried. Obviously, you have the rest. Ice, elevate all that stuff. Put it in a boot. Don't move it. And then I've seen other people that 100 believe in wrapping it up. Moving it, like wrapping it up in one of those stretchy bands, moving it around, flossing it, getting it in heat, trying to get stuff flowing through there. Which ones have you guys done? Which do you like?

[Pat McAfee]

I. I've done. I mean, I've rolled. Yeah. I've done it a million times.

[Darius Butler]

I mean, once.

[Pat McAfee]

Like, you have the. Once it goes down from being a giant club foot, then I think you got to move that thing around. It always felt better once you got out there and you actually played or.

[Darius Butler]

You practiced on it.

[Pat McAfee]

Like, it. It felt like you loosened it up a little bit.

[Darius Butler]

So you got to hope it doesn't.

[Pat McAfee]

Swell back up, though. Once you do that. Yeah. Once you loosen it up and it starts feeling good, then it hurts more the next day. Now you're on a carousel with this ankle for the time. Have you ever. For a corner that's a tough a lot.

[AQ Shipley]

But I'm a big, big range of motion guy. It's as fast as quickly. I got a band pumping. I'm like you said, if it is super swollen, you got to drain it maybe, or get some of that fluid out of there. But I'm a big range of motion. I hate keeping it in the boot, keeping it, you know, wrapped up tight. I hate all that.

[Pat McAfee]

But you said rice.

[AQ Shipley]

Rice. Yeah. What is it? Rest, ice, crest, elevation, elevate.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Oh, that's how you heal. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

That's how you thought you Put it in rice. Like a phone.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I thought he was trying to dry it out. Trying to dehydrate your ankle.

[Darius Butler]

Good.

[Pat McAfee]

Acronym rest, ice, compression, elevate.

[AQ Shipley]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

How about you? Aq?

[Darius Butler]

I think there's a combination of both. I think you have to start off with, you know, the. All the ice and try and get as much swelling out as you can. All the. What's it called? Hiv? A mat. All that stuff just kind of flush everything, push everything. But then as the week goes, then. Then we. We get on the field, we wrap it up. Put all the. Whatever you want to call it, the floss stuff on there to kind of give all the stuff and get out on the field and get it moving.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, Put all the stuff.

[Darius Butler]

I forget all the names now playing. I don't have to wrap anything up.

[J.J. Watt]

Aj, aj you remember John Simon?

[Pat McAfee]

Of course.

[J.J. Watt]

Yeah. He. He's the one who. He was the first one that I saw who he got. He sprained his ankle very, very badly. And 30 seconds later, he had that floss and he just wrapped it around. He was moving it, and he was in the training room, and I was like, what are you doing, man? Like, the trainers are coming over with an ice pack. And he was like, get that away from me, because I got this. And he just wrapped it and was moving around, walking, like, doing as much movement as humanly possible. And he literally was at practice the next day. And from that moment forward, I was like, well, I'm never icing my ankle again.

[Pat McAfee]

So that sounds like that. So you are. You're Simon. You went with that. When I switched, I switched.

[J.J. Watt]

Switched completely.

[Pat McAfee]

Like, I don't want.

[J.J. Watt]

This isn't medical advice for anybody. This is just what I did. I used to be the ice guy, like, the stem, like, all that type of stuff. I do believe in him. At AQ is absolutely right on. That HIV mat gets all that swelling out. It's beautiful.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[J.J. Watt]

But I am now a. Wrap it up. Move it. Get that thing. I don't want it to stiffen up. I don't want it to be in a boot. I don't want it to be iced, because as soon as it locks up, it's so difficult to unlock. Again, not medical advice. Just what I did, Sean, was like.

[Darius Butler]

Find some sand to walk on.

[Pat McAfee]

If you can walk on some sand, man, that's the best rehab you can do for yourself. Ankle. Because you have to strengthen your ankle while you're walking on sand, because the instability, right. And that kind of. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah. All the little Stabilizers and stuff.

[Darius Butler]

When you think about all those uneven steps and pushing.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I think walking on sand is the best.

[AQ Shipley]

That's why water, too.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

Like water. Like, water is great. Running. Get the flexibility. All. All that.

[Pat McAfee]

Those treadmills at the bottom of pools. That's a good advancement in technology. Sick people. You felt really cool when you were using this felt. And then the side shot. Look at your gate here. You see, you're trying to. You know. And then you start to question yourself.

[J.J. Watt]

Pretty heavily when you watch yourself walk, man, you're like, geez, I walk weird. You ever do that?

[Pat McAfee]

Is that how I always look walking? Just so I know. Yeah, it's pretty. You're back to normal. Really? Yikes. That's what I look like normally. Yeah. All right, we need to. I'm happy to hear the knees. Good. But we need to change some other things in my life. Let's get. Go to another question from X, which became a number four or number three trend. I forget which one.

[Darius Butler]

I forget two. I thought it got up to two.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm not sure, really. Jade still got the juice. Thank you to everybody for participating. I don't. I don't see the hashtag in this. So obviously this did not help the entire thing. Hashtag ask.

[J.J. Watt]

China just follows Katrina. He just. He's just a follower. He saw it.

[Pat McAfee]

It looks like it was probably a reply. Yeah, I see.

[Darius Butler]

It was a reply. That's on me.

[Pat McAfee]

It's okay. Good eyes. I think it's gonna be a good question. Hashtag ask J. What was your favorite part of visiting Detroit last weekend? And when are you joining the Lions? That's a good question from Katrina. I think a lot of people up in Detroit are wondering the same damn thing. Yep. Bills get a win. How do you feel?

[J.J. Watt]

A fan offered me a $99 million contract for the remainder of the season, and I said I would sign that. So whenever that paperwork comes in, happy to do it. It my favorite part of visiting Detroit.

[Pat McAfee]

Nil. Nil. Got some boosters. Not a bad idea. That.

[J.J. Watt]

That's my other favorite. We talked about this before, but, like, again, we saw another crazy, gruesome injury that. The leg. That was terrible. We were on the field, and we saw that happen. That was terrible. But I love that fans are like, all of our defenders are hurt. We need you to come out like you think. I just watched that guy snap his leg, and I really want to come step on the field now. It's crazy. But my favorite part of being Detroit was hands down, the people I Love. People of Detroit are awesome. They've been incredible to me my whole career. They're great people. And then that Coney dog. That Coney dog was.

[Pat McAfee]

You were really getting after it, huh? You were really getting after it.

[J.J. Watt]

Really enjoyed it. Really enjoyed it.

[Pat McAfee]

It was.

[J.J. Watt]

I was hungry. I did not think it was going to be as good as it was. It had a ridiculous amount of mustard on there. Chili, onions. But lights out.

[Pat McAfee]

And Jim Nance and Matt Ryan are talking over top of you, obviously, as you realize, oh, there's people here. You know, after the first bite, I think you were thinking about taking one bite. But then as you're experiencing it. Hold the phone. This thing is damn good. Yeah. Then you're trying to sneak in another bite while this very important. Serious yellow boys. And do they have an ISO shot on Jim now? He's the one talking. Am I still on camera? Is Jim coming back to Matt Ryan? No. Yep.

[J.J. Watt]

I just didn't want a question coming my way, man. I was like, just stop looking this way as soon as you look the other way. And halfway through it, I realized that it was basically the Tim Robinson, I think you should leave skit. And he's a Detroit Lions fan. So I was like, all right, let's, let's, let's play this up a little bit.

[Pat McAfee]

Cancel lunch. Dude can't cancel lunch.

[Darius Butler]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

I think that's. That entire.

[J.J. Watt]

That was good, though, man. I mean, if somebody slaps down a Coney Dog in front of your face, you can't not eat it.

[Pat McAfee]

Did you start any Jared Goff Chance?

[J.J. Watt]

I did. I, I, I tried to start Jared Goff Chance chant, and they started chanting my name. I said. Because they. We did a whole pre rehearsal where I was like, all right, guys, here's what's gonna happen. I'm gonna say Jared Goff. You guys chant Jared Goff. So as they introduced us on the desk, JB introduces us person by person. As he introduced me, he said, free time, NFL defensive player J.J. watt. And I said, JB, they got a quarterback, but they had already started into a J.J. watt champ because JB said my name.

[Pat McAfee]

You gotta stop.

[J.J. Watt]

It was a mess.

[Pat McAfee]

Come on, J. Let the pop die. Let the people chant your name. Don't be stepping on the people. It's not.

[Darius Butler]

I don't.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't have.

[J.J. Watt]

I don't have. I don't have the free reign of time wise, we are. Drew Kisky, our producer, is like, hey, you're not.

[Pat McAfee]

Listen, that's where you are wrong. If there is a J.J. watt chant happening. You are not stepping on top of that. You'd be an to step on top of that. Then you let them come back down. Down to earth a little bit. Yes. J.J. watts, in your city, you. You don't say that. Obviously you're welcome. But you think that certainly. You think that certainly. But this isn't my city. You know, this isn't about me. This is about. And then you get right into. Come on J.

[J.J. Watt]

But it was the. It was the perfect.

[Pat McAfee]

Too humble J.

[J.J. Watt]

The Bills and the Lions fan bases, they're such like nice, good people. They start the Buffalo Bills fans started doing their. Their chant. The. You know, the let's go, Buffalo. Let's go. And then the Lions were doing Jared Goff, but they were pausing to let each other go. It wasn't like a no, you. You're in our city. It was like a. Okay, your turn. Now it's our turn. It was. It was hilarious.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's go Cena. Cena sucks. Yeah. Anytime you can fit in the opposite. In the middle of the chant, that's when you get some real good crowd work happening in there. I'm. I love that they were chanting J.J. watt, though. Because if it was Buffalo fans and Detroit fans, not like there was a blog saying, hey, we're doing a JJ watching. They just did that in rehearsal thing. Don't do that. Don't do that. They know. Have confidence that they know. Just have confidence.

[J.J. Watt]

I'm always worried that they aren't going to hear me. That's my.

[Pat McAfee]

That was my fear yelling in the microphone. People hate it. That are watching tv. But I gotta make sure.

[J.J. Watt]

What do you got? What do you got for Notre Dame? What's the Notre Dame chant?

[Pat McAfee]

So a lot of Hoosiers gonna be there. So obviously you got the Hoosiers chance. Notre Dame. I don't recall Rudy.

[Darius Butler]

You can always start a Rudy chant, dude.

[Pat McAfee]

Great. Lou Holtz. Maybe Lou Holt's chat. Yeah. Charlie Weiss, maybe Touchdown.

[J.J. Watt]

Jesus.

[Pat McAfee]

Jimmy Clawson.

[J.J. Watt]

You just. You got. You got to just start rocking speech. You have to just start the new Rockney speech. Think they would be knowledgeable enough to keep that thing going?

[Pat McAfee]

Notre Dame. Remember we were up there for college game day. What was that two years ago? Yeah. Yeah. That place was very cool. They are all in.

[Darius Butler]

So awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that was very. That you walk around like it's.

[J.J. Watt]

That would be cool.

[Pat McAfee]

It's like a high school private. It's like you're literally walking around like a private. It feels like you're. That was a very nice Cool place to be. You could feel that it was like a special place, the way they all viewed it. So I'm excited to get back up there. A lot of Hoosiers fans gonna be up there, though. Lot. Hoosiers fans, Notre Dame fans.

[J.J. Watt]

Go inside, go inside, outside. We're gonna get him on the run. We're gonna keep him on the run. Go, go, go, go. We're not gonna stop. Don't get across that goal line.

[Pat McAfee]

That's new. Ron. Ambl.

[J.J. Watt]

Oh, what a speech, man. If you led them in that, that would be awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

Dude, you should do it. I don't know if that's my thing. The spe.

[J.J. Watt]

Stand up on a stool.

[Pat McAfee]

Chair. Yeah. Yeah. They go nuts, maybe.

[J.J. Watt]

So cool.

[Pat McAfee]

What if I go fly, Irish fly.

[Darius Butler]

On the road to victory?

[Pat McAfee]

You know, maybe they'll just. Maybe I'll jump in on that doing. Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name.

[Darius Butler]

That would run kingdom come.

[Pat McAfee]

Thou will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

[Darius Butler]

Keep going.

[Pat McAfee]

Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us from.

[Darius Butler]

As we forgive those.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, I'm so close.

[J.J. Watt]

Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive.

[Darius Butler]

Those who trespass against us.

[J.J. Watt]

Trespass against.

[Pat McAfee]

Deliver us.

[J.J. Watt]

Lead us not in temptation. Deliver us from evil.

[Pat McAfee]

Rise King.

[J.J. Watt]

The kingdom, the power and glory.

[Pat McAfee]

Amen. I get that down by Saturday.

[J.J. Watt]

Said in locker rooms. Locker rooms forever. So much in locker rooms.

[Darius Butler]

Go nuts.

[J.J. Watt]

Jeez, you could be any religion in the world and you know that.

[Pat McAfee]

Touchdown Jesus back there. Well, his papa, our Father, Lord in.

[Darius Butler]

Heaven, you could hit him with a Merry Queen of Victory.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know what that is.

[Darius Butler]

They'd all yell, pray for us, Mary Quinn.

[Pat McAfee]

We did that.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

What is that?

[Darius Butler]

It was just like a. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Mary Queen, the victory.

[J.J. Watt]

That's where you go down, like, six or seven of them, right? You're like, mary, Queen of Victory. Pray for. Pray for us. Pray for us.

[Darius Butler]

Suck that tiger dick.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I don't know if that's gonna work. Oh, maybe sock that Irish dick.

[Darius Butler]

Maybe he'll be responsive.

[AQ Shipley]

Let's go together.

[Darius Butler]

I think so. That would be a good heel turn, though.

[Pat McAfee]

Mary was victory.

[Darius Butler]

Mary, Queen of Victory.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Pray for us. And this is like a Catholic school thing. Yeah. Did you go to Catholic school? Seems like you know a lot of these things.

[J.J. Watt]

No, but I mean, locker rooms, literally, like, the team chaplain or whatever always gets up and says the prayer. But at Wisconsin, Father Tom also would come into the team meeting the night before, and he would list off, like, 10. 10 of those, and we'd have to say, pray for us after everyone.

[Pat McAfee]

J.J. was with Easter. B. We forget. Oh, yeah. Jack Easterby was running that thing he.

[Darius Butler]

Was doing the Redfish.

[Pat McAfee]

Bluefish, though. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Which also might play another day.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what Jesus was doing. Maybe.

[J.J. Watt]

One FISH two Speaking of, speaking of team meetings, got up and spoke in front of the team before a divisional playoff game. Night before a game.

[Pat McAfee]

Who?

[AQ Shipley]

Easterby.

[Pat McAfee]

Jack Easter. Did they ask him to? They asked him to.

[Darius Butler]

Who'd you lose to?

[J.J. Watt]

Ask them to. What are you talking about?

[Darius Butler]

You could just pop up.

[Pat McAfee]

Jack, listen, not his fault he was promoted from FCA guy to president, coach, general manager of an NFL team in two years. No, not his fault. Obviously, he's going to take the opportunity. What was his message? Was it because we saw him speak and he. Were you guys receptive?

[Darius Butler]

You guys were receptive.

[AQ Shipley]

Deceptive.

[J.J. Watt]

I know. I don't want to go too deep into that.

[Pat McAfee]

Is that what started you and Bill O'Brien's fist fight?

[J.J. Watt]

No.

[Pat McAfee]

No, I didn't fist my Bill. Wow. Okay. Happy holidays. All right. We won't talk about that. The NFL holiday remix time. That's off season conversation. What you do. You pick them up off the ground. These little feats we're doing. Like this. You're like, yeah, this could be your life right now, if that's what you want.

[J.J. Watt]

I don't even remember how this started. I love that it's rolled, but I don't even remember how this all began.

[Pat McAfee]

It was news.

[Darius Butler]

You did it.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. You.

[Darius Butler]

What do you mean?

[Pat McAfee]

You told us. I think there's footage somewhere. Yeah.

[J.J. Watt]

No, no. We've gotten. We've gotten some good battles before, but no physical confrontation.

[Pat McAfee]

He's great. Nothing like the basement. Billy O. Is a dog. He's not everybody. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

He'd mix it up.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. He's not scared. Tea kettle.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[J.J. Watt]

What's the. Was it in Boston? The north in. What's the.

[Darius Butler]

That's one. That's an area.

[J.J. Watt]

Yeah, it's an area. Yeah. Some good bars down there. You've seen some scums.

[Pat McAfee]

Do you hang out in Boston often?

[J.J. Watt]

No, I've been there, like, three times in my life. I've enjoyed it. Really had a good time there.

[Pat McAfee]

I've never gone out in Boston. I don't think it's awesome.

[Darius Butler]

We should.

[Pat McAfee]

I heard it's pretty Pittsburgh, like, right?

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, there's there, like.

[J.J. Watt]

Yeah, I feel like it's great.

[Pat McAfee]

The.

[Darius Butler]

The setup is very similar. Like when I went to Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh. That's how I felt about it very the similar setup, different pockets, like the north end. What he's talking about, it's like very Italian. You can get like unbelievable.

[Pat McAfee]

So that's the most Pittsburgh like part.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, but like then you talk about Southside, which I got to experience once. Like that's like South Boston strip. Yeah, strip. Bunch of bars.

[Pat McAfee]

Nice. You guys got casinos up there.

[Darius Butler]

Encore. They opened up a casino like five, six years ago. But that's like an Everett. Like you gotta take a ferry.

[Pat McAfee]

Not downtown. No Pittsburgh. Adding rivers downtown was a big deal. Sorry, just casino adding to downtown was.

[Darius Butler]

A. Yeah, but same exact type of thing. Like where you got to take like a 15, 20 minute drive.

[Pat McAfee]

Different part of city.

[Darius Butler]

Bingo.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, yeah, got it.

[J.J. Watt]

Connor, how familiar are you with downtown Boston? Like like bar scene.

[Pat McAfee]

Pretty.

[J.J. Watt]

My D line coach, Matt Burke is from there and he was telling me a story about a bar. I always remember him saying it was under a bridge. I believe it was right by Fenway because he would go there and then walk to the the games.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[J.J. Watt]

Any chance you would have any idea?

[Darius Butler]

Probably Lansdowne Pub. That's like the famous one on the corner. Like it's on the bridge. Because under the bridge is like the highway. But like. Yeah, that lands down's right there. That's like after the Red Sox won. I forget what it was. They actually brought it up in the documentary that just came out. I think it was after they won like the ALCS or the alds, they went to Lansdowne public in their gear.

[Pat McAfee]

Boston, good time town.

[Darius Butler]

Great time town. They had to stop happy hour because they're having too good of a time.

[Pat McAfee]

Indiana I think just reinitiated happy hour.

[Darius Butler]

Happy hours did.

[Pat McAfee]

First time since I've been in the state where happy hours were allowed.

[J.J. Watt]

Cuz what, what does that mean?

[Pat McAfee]

Pittsburgh, big happy hour place. Big.

[J.J. Watt]

Yeah. But like they. They made a law outlawing happy hour.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Cuz people are just drunk driving home and in Indiana they go to like 50 so you just call it something else. What do they not allowed to make any specials on alcohol for from like certain hours during weekday.

[Darius Butler]

No way.

[Pat McAfee]

Rigid. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Legit.

[Pat McAfee]

Cuz I think people to drive so far to either get home because you know things are spread out here in Indiana. I think like they had a happy hour issue. That was before I got here. But when I first, you know, got like some notoriety out here in Indianapolis, I was like I want to. I want to host a happy hour. Happy hour is the best thing of all time. Love happy hour. Love a great happy hour. The Vibes could be amazing. And you guys don't do them out here. You guys have no idea about it. I thought I was, like. It was a bit of a culture shock.

[Darius Butler]

Like, when we moved out here, no.

[AJ Hawk]

One would go out after their shifts at work.

[Darius Butler]

Like, everyone would just be waiting till later that night because there was no.

[Pat McAfee]

Drink specials to happy hour. You just kind of do that. Then you can go home, you can get to bed at a good time.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, it's, like, actually a little bit more civilized in this entire thing. So I thought I was bringing, like, this novel concept.

[Darius Butler]

Wait till you hear about this shit.

[J.J. Watt]

So the current governor. So the current governor was like, you know what? Bring back.

[Pat McAfee]

Seems like. Yeah, current governor. Governor Holcomb. He's been in for a while. This is his last month. He's. He's done. He's at max term limit every time I see him. He loves his job of being a governor.

[J.J. Watt]

Easy win.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't think so, brother. Politics. Yeah, right. You, though, J. Should think about it someday back in Wisconsin. You should think about it someday. Yeah, you should. Yeah. There was another accident.

[J.J. Watt]

That's no fun.

[Pat McAfee]

There's another Ash Age from somebody from the show, actually, as we wrap this particular segment up. Oh, he's from AJ Hawk. He never tweets. Hashtag Ash J. You do not have to use your fingers to cut the turds. You do not have to use your fingers to cut the turds. Hashtag askj. This tweet would go on to be deleted, actually, so we had to capture this before it disappeared. Age. Why'd you delete your tweet? I was trying to add to it, and in the time that I was deleting to add to it, Gumpy screenshot it. Yes, we all saw it. And then I accidentally went to mentions as opposed to homepage. Go back to homepage. Already gone. So then Gump puts the screenshot of it into the text, and it was like, we got him. We got the AJ Hashtag, ask Jade twice. This guy really wanted it.

[Darius Butler]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

And he did not put a question mark in there. So JJ Take it however you want. He is wondering the answer to this statement question.

[J.J. Watt]

Correct.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. All right. Boom. Hashtag S. J.

[J.J. Watt]

We had to get. We had to get some toilet in there. It's like a weekly if we don't. I feel like it's not. The show's not complete.

[Pat McAfee]

I think Age was just asking questions that a lot of people were wondering. Right? Yeah, people. I walk on the street and people ask me, hey, you know, J.J. knows he done a few to get that.

[Darius Butler]

Poop in his fingernails.

[Pat McAfee]

He could grab something and chop it up. They're all big fans, though. They're big fans of J and what.

[Darius Butler]

He'S done in the field.

[Pat McAfee]

So you felt obligated to let him know that big fans of his are wondering.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, they're like, ah, we're.

[Pat McAfee]

They're, like, worried about him. Like, hey, tell him. He doesn't, like, you can find something, break a little stick off of something, grab something to chop those things up, a pencil even, and you can get in there, you know, a pen even. Like your hat. You could use your hat and mush it around. Elbow, maybe. Use your elbow. Better than fingers. You're right.

[J.J. Watt]

I don't know if I, I don't even know if I want to tell you the thing that just went through my head here. So I, I, I. When I was reading that, a. There wasn't a question mark, so I was throwing. And then I am not thinking straight, so I wasn't thinking back to our conversation with Greg and with. With reaching down there to break it all up.

[Darius Butler]

Up.

[J.J. Watt]

I was picturing you were using the bathroom. It was coming out, but you couldn't get it to chop. So you were using your fingers like.

[Pat McAfee]

This while you were pooping. How.

[Darius Butler]

I mean, exactly what is that? That's America.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. It is.

[Darius Butler]

That would be straight to Hollywood.

[Pat McAfee]

That'd be a gold buzzer. Yeah. Because how do you get in there? Change. Don't be doing that. I don't know. Yeah, that's. That was.

[J.J. Watt]

I'm just telling you. That was the first thing. I don't know why that came into my head.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, well, that's. Good question.

[J.J. Watt]

What's the most amount of wipes you.

[Darius Butler]

Ever did in your life?

[J.J. Watt]

A.J.

[Pat McAfee]

That'S.

[Darius Butler]

I mean, who knows?

[Pat McAfee]

Probably upwards of 100. Who knows? I've never thought about it. 100 wipes in 100. What? Did. What? I would.

[Darius Butler]

I mean, I'm 40 years old now.

[Pat McAfee]

So I've had a lot of time on earth, so I would have. No, he's talking about. For one.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, I know.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

[J.J. Watt]

No, he knows.

[AQ Shipley]

Messy, you get 150 wipes.

[Pat McAfee]

What the hell is that? I was saying back in the day.

[Darius Butler]

When you're young and there was an emergency or something. Something, whatever.

[Pat McAfee]

We're not cleaning up the leg if it's running down your leg. Okay, 40.

[Darius Butler]

Let's say 40. 40. At least 40.

[Pat McAfee]

D. You're doing 40 wipes there's those.

[Darius Butler]

Ones, those sticky ones.

[Pat McAfee]

Where?

[Darius Butler]

Just keep. You don't know where it's coming. You don't have no idea where it's coming from. It just keeps coming.

[Pat McAfee]

40.

[Darius Butler]

You don't just do, like, before dude wipes, do five. And then do what? Just pull up your pants, be like, oh, you do five, then you. Then you say like, oh, I still gotta. And then you keep.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, no, you guys are still pooping. You're pooping in your hands. That's what you guys are doing.

[Darius Butler]

I'm not using my hand. I'm using toilet paper.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, I'm sorry. You are pooping into toilet paper. That is in your hands. That is what you guys are doing. 40 wipers. This is the real conversation.

[J.J. Watt]

This is real. Not like, oh, I'm gonna say the right thing. This is some real shit right here. There comes a point where you got to make a decision like, is that clean enough?

[Pat McAfee]

Can't stress this enough to AJ, Tone, Diggs and seemingly J, who are 10 plus wipers for one dump. Go and get yourself some dingle bells, dude. Wipes smell fantastic, but it also. 41.

[Darius Butler]

That should be never. He said 100.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I don't. I'm so fostered after 20.

[Darius Butler]

You get.

[Pat McAfee]

You're probably asking your dad to spray you down with the hose. Like, when it's that. When it comes to that.

[Darius Butler]

Come here, dad.

[Pat McAfee]

Not if you're in public.

[J.J. Watt]

If you're in public, what's the plan? Like, that's it.

[Pat McAfee]

You're talking about. You're talking about brand new fresh pieces of toilet paper that you were wiping with 40 times? Or is this one piece? You're doing like leg, leg. No cheek shit's ever, ever.

[J.J. Watt]

You just take the cleanest shits ever.

[Pat McAfee]

I take a lot of dumps. And they're good dumps. I think, personally, I. I do take good dumps, but 40? A hundred. I don't know how. Yeah, that's why I'm flustered. Because, you know, they asked the question like, how blind people know when they're done wiping, you know, because you can't see that there's nothing on there.

[Darius Butler]

Taste.

[J.J. Watt]

Yeah, that's a great question.

[Pat McAfee]

No one said taste.

[Darius Butler]

No one ever said taste. No, it is. Yeah. They got.

[Pat McAfee]

Check tape. Dude, I don't think so. I don't think so. But the fact that you guys take 40 to 50 wipes to find clean.

[J.J. Watt]

Teeth every time, man, this is a.

[Pat McAfee]

You should be worried about yourself.

[Darius Butler]

Twice a year.

[Pat McAfee]

Twice a year.

[Darius Butler]

That's twice too many, brother. What Are we doing?

[Pat McAfee]

Definitely not. Twice. 50 times after pooping is considered bad. No, I don't want my face and.

[J.J. Watt]

Neighborhood name above this on this.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, this is on you.

[Darius Butler]

I'll call you guys. I'll show you the consistency next time.

[Pat McAfee]

Underlying health issues like hemorrhoids, anal fissures, or.

[Darius Butler]

They sound awful.

[Pat McAfee]

Whoa.

[Darius Butler]

I think mine's the pelvic floor dysfunction.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[Darius Butler]

Really? Well, I know it's not hemorrhoids or the fissures.

[Pat McAfee]

All right. That was a good ass Jade segment. I'm happy we got there. I learned a lot today. I learned a lot. I didn't know that was even good. I didn't know that was happening out there.

[Darius Butler]

No.

[Pat McAfee]

So you need to know, whenever you're potentially taking a dump in an away locker room in an away stadium in public, the person next to you might actually reel through that entire thing.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Don't think they're up to any shenanigans. They're just trying to clean their butthole. 50 wipes.

[J.J. Watt]

You've never seen the Chris Pratt skit, like the brown. Brown marker get from Parks and Rec?

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, I've seen.

[J.J. Watt]

Like he said, sometimes it's like a brown marker. You just keep wiping, but it keeps going.

[Pat McAfee]

Then you guys are still pooping. You sit back down and you poop.

[AQ Shipley]

Let's get our checkup, boys.

[J.J. Watt]

Dude, I. I think you might be walking away dirty.

[Pat McAfee]

Seem like they're speed poopers.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, it seems like you're in it.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

You force it out a little too.

[J.J. Watt]

Yeah. Like away locker room or you're out to dinner. You don't have those in your pocket. You should, but you don't.

[Darius Butler]

Them I bring.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we got some in the back pocket.

[Darius Butler]

Bring them with me. Everywhere. They sent wallets.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. So we do have dude wipes with us at all times. My cheeks ain't touching nothing but dude wipes. Okay. Clove smelling dude wipes as well. Smells like the holidays. Not only you're not wiping 50 times, you're also getting a delightful smell after the poop just drained out of your butthole, which is happening to you guys, which I think you guys need to tighten up a little bit. You guys are having a poop drip out of your butthole situation happen right now. So you guys need to make sure there's a. There's a final episode or a final scene of your poops.

[Darius Butler]

The consistency is not drippy. It's not drippy.

[Pat McAfee]

You're wiping hard poop 50 times off of your butt.

[Darius Butler]

Like a sticky, hard substance.

[Pat McAfee]

You're still pooping.

[Darius Butler]

Pooping sludge.

[Pat McAfee]

It's like when newborns. Tone's doing what newborns do when they first dump are all black. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I think everybody needs to get checked out, which is a good conversation, actually. Everybody needs to go get checked for colon cancer. Okay. They say you're not supposed to do it until you're later in life. After what we just learned about how you guys are dumping and things that are coming through there, we should get this checked out. I'm happy we did that. We made a show better today.

[AQ Shipley]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Shout out to us.

[Darius Butler]

Shout out.

[Pat McAfee]

Good job, boys. Thank you. It's a good message. Go get checked. You never know. The world's changing. Jade, great episode of the day. Pure, pure entertainment. Whole time really beginning to end. Thank God.

[J.J. Watt]

I appreciate you guys. It's a blast.

[Pat McAfee]

You on cbs.

[J.J. Watt]

You are on. No, I'm not on cbs. I'm on Netflix on Wednesday. Produced by CBS dealers. Chief, see you there.

[Pat McAfee]

That makes sense. I'm happy these new streaming companies have a chance to really change the game. And instead they hire the same people that have been doing it the entire time. But they'll get it right. They will get it right, which is a good thing. Thing.

[Darius Butler]

They got Chrysler. They got Bert.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, that's a Netflix.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah. Little extra spring. Don't worry. Watch this.

[Pat McAfee]

Got it. Ladies and gentlemen, future first ballot hall of famer, a man who has once used 50 wipes after a dump, at least. J.J. watt.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

That was you. You asked for. I'm just answering a question. A hundred wipes. I'm not saying I don't know if it happened, but I'm just. I'm. It's possible that's what you were asked. How many you. I was asked a question, and I'm never, never thought about that question in all of my time on this earth. So I gave an answer in a moment. I dropped it down to 40. You've never thought about that. You've never been like 10 wipes in and been like, wow, this feels like I'm wiping a lot. I appreciate Jade doing that. Like, that's not. Doesn't happen that often where I'm like, wow, you know what? I don't think I've ever thought about that. Which is wild for you.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, it is.

[Pat McAfee]

You're right. I do think about a lot of different things. Always downloading, Especially in that world, you know? You're telling me 25 wipes in, you don't think there's a problem? You're nowhere near done no, you're nowhere near done. You. You're halfway. At least half. Let's get out. I can't. You need to go check, bro. Seriously.

[Darius Butler]

People that bleed, people that say they got blood, that. Those people.

[Pat McAfee]

Your cheeks got to be so chafed. It's not like a thing. No, Never like a consistent thing. 100 wipes of cheeks. Let's get to a break. We'll be back on this. We're not talking about this ever again. I'm dumbfounded. Get checked.

[Darius Butler]

Loading his butt crack with gold bomb every single time and then wiping it off. Well, the next time he goes poop.

[Pat McAfee]

No, but I'm saying load it up. That's not good enough. Wipe it again. Do it again. Is that one of the wipes? Get 99 others.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, I mean, that's. We can. That. He has never done that. Yeah, that's. That's never the answer he's ever given.

[Pat McAfee]

No, that's not right. But I dropped it to 40.

[Darius Butler]

40 is the most absurd answer.

[Pat McAfee]

That's insane. And it. I'm not saying it even happened. I'm. I just don't want to.

[Darius Butler]

I don't want to be a liar.

[Pat McAfee]

Chat. Chat is saying we need to call Caboli.

[Darius Butler]

Well, you guys think Kaboli wipes. I was going to say we. What? What? It was. Put that sub right next to it.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

What the hell?

[Pat McAfee]

In what world, Connor? Oh, man. I have to pee right now. But when I walk in there and I look at the toilet paper, I'm gonna say one whole roll.

[Darius Butler]

I'm so sorry.

[Pat McAfee]

For one dump. They're going. You're going through a whole roll and you don't think it's a problem legit?

[Darius Butler]

If.

[Pat McAfee]

If this was an everyday occurrence.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I would already think this is a problem. But it's not. It never has been. You need to go get checked. We all do. Yeah, you're right.

[Darius Butler]

We do. We all should get checked.

[Pat McAfee]

Get a colonoscopy for everything. Man tone. Yeah. You just coming in out of hammered. Done. Done. Just being like, preach. Paige.

[Darius Butler]

I thought this was an honest. An honest show.

[Pat McAfee]

It is.

[Darius Butler]

It's never happened at home. Because if you get to, say, 15, 20, jumping in the shower.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, but now you're pooping. And I think what you guys need to know is you're still pooping.

[Darius Butler]

I've been pooping. You can't be mushing poop in the shopping for 36 years. I promise you it's not poop.

[Pat McAfee]

So. I mean, well, it is poop, but.

[Darius Butler]

I can't poop anymore, if that makes sense. What? It's a pelvic floor problem. What is that?

[Pat McAfee]

What does that mean?

[Darius Butler]

I don't think the muscles in my pelvic floor are strong enough to get the rest.

[AQ Shipley]

I.

[Pat McAfee]

You need to do those things. You gotta do Kegels. Yeah.

[J.J. Watt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Gotta do Kegels. You do too.

[Darius Butler]

Those always sounded too sexual for me.

[Pat McAfee]

Very strong. Joining us now is gonna be rocked up. You get rocked up on Dylan Kegel. Joining us now is a man who will give us, you know, the answer we've been looking for Steelers Insider for our show. Also contributor to wwe, ladies and gentlemen, Mark Caboli. Yeah, Mark. Mark, I know you're very busy on this one. I know the Netflix kickoff press conference is happening for the WWE right now. You're paying attention to that. The Steelers hard knocks. We appreciate everything you've done this year. Great work. Great work.

[Darius Butler]

Hell yeah, mark.

[Pat McAfee]

Now question JJ Mr. JJ Watt, brother of Teej TJ Watt, asked Age AJ Hawk, what's the most amount of wipes he's ever done after a dump? AJ Watt responded to J100 wipes. Then after getting ridiculed a little bit, he dropped it to 40 wipes. Then Tone Diggs, Pittsburgh Ginser says, say 50, 100 or whatever. I was dumbfounded. I didn't know that was possible. What is the most amount of wipes you think you have done after a dump? And do you still dude wipe every time you're at the jaw?

[Darius Butler]

Absolutely.

[Pat McAfee]

To do wipes.

[Darius Butler]

The thing is I, I've pretty much.

[Pat McAfee]

Got it down to a science right now that I don't have to overuse the dude wipes.

[Darius Butler]

And I've said this before. You go with the dry, wet dry.

[Pat McAfee]

Technique, that really cleans it up nice. And you don't have to use the 100 or so. But it all depends too.

[Darius Butler]

If you're holding it in a little bit too long, then that tends to be messy at times. So as soon as you feel a and the urge comes coming, you better.

[Pat McAfee]

Hit the commode, then you can do a quick one.

[Darius Butler]

But the most I've probably ever used.

[Pat McAfee]

I've probably been around the 50 to.

[Darius Butler]

75 mark before I figured it out. He knows, he don't say, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

What.

[Darius Butler]

Else I used to do, I'm not proud. Here's what, here's what else I used to do is I gotta change my life. When my kids were young, I used.

[Pat McAfee]

To go sneak their.

[Darius Butler]

They're whatever their wipes, baby wipes. Then.

[Pat McAfee]

Then throw it in the old container There.

[Darius Butler]

What's that thing called?

[J.J. Watt]

I can't remember.

[Pat McAfee]

Diaper. Diaper. Diaper Genie. And. And they're like, wow, that knows. I'm like, well, I don't know.

[AQ Shipley]

That's for kids. Poop.

[Pat McAfee]

These kids are taking human sized duck. All right. Hey, we appreciate you. Thank you for giving us the answer we needed. Ladies and gentlemen, Mark Boy. Thank you.

[Darius Butler]

Kaboli got a PhD in pooping. What the.

[Pat McAfee]

You do not want that diaper thing to ever be opened.

[Darius Butler]

It's not.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, my God.

[Darius Butler]

That's what the drones are looking for. You also certainly don't want to be wiping your own ass and throwing it in the diaper.

[Pat McAfee]

So what's he going. He goes from bathroom and he walks through the.

[Darius Butler]

Holds it. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Nursery goodness. Yeah. Open this thing up, it's going to smile everybody's kid. You open that thing just if it has. Has any diapers in it or anything in it. And you open that just a little bit. Room ruined. Ruined. As Dan Orlovsky would say.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

For five to 10 minutes. It is just terrible.

[Darius Butler]

It's in a normal house.

[Pat McAfee]

What's that? Think about Kabolis?

[Darius Butler]

Maybe the stench as a whole. The paint's probably peeling off the wall.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, let's get to a break. We'll be back on the other side. Talking ball. What we're saying is everybody needs to go get checked. Yeah. Especially if you're last night name is Caboli, but more specific.

[Darius Butler]

Everybody.

[Pat McAfee]

Everybody needs to get checked. 50 to 75 in that range and then tone. You hear tone. I'm not proud. I'm sorry. I'm not proud. You guys need to get checked. Dude, serious. That's scary stuff. 50 to 75. I'm so dumbfounded.

[Darius Butler]

Well, Diggs, we know it. It's a pelvic floor problem. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Thank the Kingles refuses to do so. But dude, wipes has changed our life. So we appreciate dude.

[Darius Butler]

Without a doubt.

[Pat McAfee]

It does help. Makes you feel fresh in 50 to 100. Are you guys wiping for 20 minutes? How long is the wipe? The wipes longer than.

[J.J. Watt]

It sucks too.

[Darius Butler]

Because you always know like the first wipe that you're in for. You go again. It's not like when you're like, oh, I get to 10. And you're like, oh, I'm in. No, you know, first white.

[J.J. Watt]

It's normally after McDonald's for some reason too.

[Pat McAfee]

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[Darius Butler]

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[Pat McAfee]

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[AJ Hawk]

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[Darius Butler]

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[Pat McAfee]

Football hey, it's wonderful. That's AJ Hawk who taught us all a little something in our last hour of discussion about what people do post grumpies and and I respect the hell out of it. Way to go aj. Always, always teaching. You know I'm always learning with you. I was asked the question. I didn't bring it up.

[Darius Butler]

You know, so I adjusted it to.

[Pat McAfee]

After my first answer. Yeah and we got another answer whenever we were off air. 12 year NFL veteran and Super bowl champion AQ Shipley is here. He said, I don't think I fully understood what you guys were talking about because my move would actually be to if five wipes isn't good enough, I'm walking out of here with monkey butt and I'll deal with it later. Is that what you said?

[Darius Butler]

It's exactly what I said.

[Pat McAfee]

It's the he said, there's nothing worse than just poop in your butt cheeks though.

[Darius Butler]

But you don't know until 20 minutes later you feel good, you leave. 20 minutes later you start to sweat, maybe get a workout in. Then you feel the itchy butthole and it's like all right, let's find a shower. Or we wait again. Full load of poop.

[Pat McAfee]

Did I wipe? I don't remember.

[Darius Butler]

Not sure.

[Pat McAfee]

50 to 75 wipes Mark yeah, let's go to the talks table at Boss Connor Natashmid, 9 year NFL vet Darius J. Butch, your conversation about your preference of pop tart is certainly spurred some conversation on the Internet. There's actually some people that agree with you. I did not know that.

[AQ Shipley]

I have a small community out there and I don't mind being in the, you know, 10, 15% I don't really like being in that 85, 90% group. So I like where I'm at.

[Pat McAfee]

Hop into the Instagram comments app show you see the post. It is active in there and it is. It has drawn people from all walks of life.

[Darius Butler]

Absolutely.

[Pat McAfee]

I'll tell you what. The pop Tart conversation in the preference of what people like and don't like has certainly brought out some emotions. And there is a small contingency. People on your side like.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, small.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

It's a group of weirdos.

[Pat McAfee]

Small non Frosted Pop Tarts is something that you're into strawberry style. And then everybody else eats the.

[Darius Butler]

The good p. Yeah, the good ones.

[Pat McAfee]

And that's certainly been.

[AQ Shipley]

Everybody toast them though. Right?

[Pat McAfee]

If you want to take the time.

[Darius Butler]

I don't need to toast them, typically. No, me either.

[Pat McAfee]

I'll eat. I'll eat them without being toasted. But do I like it? Being toasted? Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

But do I want to do the whole song and dance or like.

[Darius Butler]

Like the s'mores one? I think.

[Pat McAfee]

Great. Toasted.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah. Like almost better toasted. But I don't. I. I won't toast them ever.

[Pat McAfee]

Real.

[Darius Butler]

That's the thing about the frosted ones.

[Pat McAfee]

Is you don't have to.

[Darius Butler]

To toast them.

[Pat McAfee]

They still taste good because there's flavor on them. Yeah. And less calories somehow.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

That came out.

[AQ Shipley]

You believe that?

[Darius Butler]

Absolutely.

[AQ Shipley]

Does that make.

[Darius Butler]

To be fair?

[AQ Shipley]

I do not.

[Pat McAfee]

To be fair.

[Darius Butler]

I don't believe that actually frosting makes the calories go down more.

[Pat McAfee]

Frosting.

[AQ Shipley]

More. But yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

No. Cuz they had to inject more flavor. And then I had a lot of people telling me that we need not be talking about it at all because. Because what's inside of it is terrible. And RFK Jr. Is going to teach us all about it. And I understand what you're saying.

[Darius Butler]

Shut the up. Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah. Something's got to kill you kid.

[Darius Butler]

Me. Okay. Pop Tarts. Get off your high horse.

[Pat McAfee]

There's bad stuff in it. Not eating it.

[Darius Butler]

Like, oh, this is going to make me much healthier today.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, I think those people aren't eating Pop Tarts so they don't fully understand what we're going through. You know, whenever we have a passion for said things and then we realize that some people somehow, some way do one bland grilled chicken. No salt, no pepper, no flavor. Yeah. In the Pop Tart world. I had no idea that was.

[Darius Butler]

Me neither.

[Pat McAfee]

And Darius is their leader. And I've enjoyed watching it.

[AQ Shipley]

I probably. I'll probably go to war for you boys. And girls.

[Pat McAfee]

He has been in war, though. It has been go to war. He's been taking a lot of shots.

[AQ Shipley]

I got so many messages. DMs. What? Like friends, family members, like, dude, what? Are you serious? That's real.

[Pat McAfee]

Are you okay?

[AQ Shipley]

Are you okay? What happened to you as a child?

[Pat McAfee]

I've had a couple people tell me that they're on your side, and obviously I've seen some others in support of you. But we all feel bad for those people and we understand that at some point you'll enjoy the finer things in life, like Pop Tarts with frosting.

[Darius Butler]

I won't.

[Pat McAfee]

Good for you, Darius.

[AQ Shipley]

You've earned it.

[Pat McAfee]

Broward County Sports hall of Famer. And you're going to get a chance to enjoy good Pop Tarts. Proud of you. Speaking of proud, we're. We should be proud that we've been able to maintain our program through 15 weeks of an NFL season. Yeah, every day is potential last day. And that's how we kind of view things around here. But this year, there's been a segment that's been added with our in the trenches aficionado, Shipley. It's been three takeaways from the weekend that just happened. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for AQ Shipley to give us his talking points. Number one. La la la. Marvelous.

[Darius Butler]

Nailed it. Lamar has been fantastic all year.

[Pat McAfee]

La la la. He is. He is. La la la. He really is. Lamar Jackson is phenomenal. Is that your talking point?

[Darius Butler]

He's been fantastic. We will see if he can rebound from his first game against the Pittsburgh Steelers where he struggled. Struggled. That's where the whole talking point came about the first time around. But look, this week, 21 of 25, 290 yards, 154 passer rating, five touchdowns, which is more touchdown passes than in completions, obviously.

[Pat McAfee]

Anytime you're doing that, it's great. They're coming off a bye week and remember, Lamar Jackson said, I don't want to have a buy. I won't play. He had been eagerly awaiting this Giants game and they showed up in a massive way. He also ran. Ran for how much? 60 some.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, 60 something yards over. Under for his rush yards was 47 and a half.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I think that's going to continue as well. Aq. You think so?

[Darius Butler]

I do. We saw it a couple weeks ago. I showed all the lanes that are there. They are always going to be there because everybody tries to get wide. And when you try and get wide, the lanes are right there up the middle. He has a Talent that nobody else in the NFL. NFL has. And that is to be able to run as the most athletic player on every field he steps on.

[Pat McAfee]

And that's why he's la la, la.

[Darius Butler]

Marvelous.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's go to the second talking point from Maku Shipley. Trouble in the trenches for the Kansas City Chiefs. We saw Tuney move out the left tackle. What do you mean?

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, Tuney moved out to left tackle, which is commendable. Everybody in the entire offense is, hey, thanks for stepping up this week. Thanks for stepping up. But I also saw plenty of clips where he couldn't even get his hands on Miles Garrett because his arms are short and he's meant to be inside at guard. He's one of the best guards in football. Football. Let's leave him there. But the issue is the tackles in this game. He's playing tackle. He's part of the issue. He's part of the problem. They push him back. Look at that. This is every single throw from Patrick Mahomes all season long. Almost pocket getting collapsed. He has to move, and then he's falling away and taking a shot almost every single time. He can never just stand in the pocket and make a throw. Tuney commendable, fantastic. He's one of the best guards in football. Let's leave him there. Let's fix the tackles. We got to fix the tackles. D.J. humphries, they brought him in. D.J. has to stay healthy. We got to keep that left side clean and not get pushed into the quarterback. Here's another clip from the game. Third and one. We got to get some movement. The entire offensive lines on the ground, they're just getting smashed, getting crushed from the Cleveland Browns interior. That means it's just. That's minus one on third and one. Offensive line issues. If they don't get it fixed, they will not be able to continue this run. Here's another one. Can you get it fixed this late? It's tough. But look at this one. I mean, it's every single time. Every single time. And that one right there, they try and chip help, but my Miles sees it turns into a bull against Tune. He can't get his hands on him, and boom, now you're at the legs. Can you get it fixed? No. And that is the biggest problem. That's the biggest problem. Like, we are too far in the season. They went and got DJ. DJs got to work himself into shape. He played one game. He got his hamstring. The biggest problem with them right now, the biggest problem with them is the only way that they can sustain drives and keep offense going. That's why Andy Reid's such a good coach is all the jet sweeps, the trail trick plays, the screens, the middle screens, every which way you can to slow down the pass rush is the only way they're able to get off it.

[Pat McAfee]

Remember they make it all the way to the super bowl against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers where this man won a Super bowl and their offensive line was the question the entire time. Offensive line question, question. And what do we remember from that super bowl from Patrick Mahomes, him running his ass off, scrambling almost sideways completing a thing. It's been like that all year. Then he gets hurt because of potential cluster in front of him. Hopefully they're able to get that done. That's it. Tuning though, going out to tackle, it's so hard. Do you know if he said I'll do it or did? He would have had to say.

[Darius Butler]

He would have had to say he was going to do it. And listen, that is so commendable because listen, he's got four Super Bowls, he's one of the highest paid guards in football, he's a stud at left guard, he's an all pro, he's got every accolade known to man. And if this guy's putting a left up, as Chuck Pagana would say, to go out and help the team get out of this game and move to the next one. That is what you want from a leader.

[Pat McAfee]

Absolutely. But he's not going to be able to win a Super bowl at left up tackle.

[Darius Butler]

No, he needs to be inside and they got to get DJ back and get him up to speed and get him in shape so that he's not pulling a hamstring.

[Pat McAfee]

First week back, last talking point coming out of week 15, it's the Eagles final drive. Now what did their they put a four minute drive together there to win that thing.

[Darius Butler]

I don't think people realize how hard it is to run four minute football. And when you get the ball back with four minutes to be able to keep that ball till the end of the game is so hard because they're loading the box as d butt and aj know you load the box, you get 8, 9, 10 in the box. They started on their own two. They start off the drive with a delay a game, go back to the one and they held the ball for 10 minutes and 30 seconds, 23 plays and did not give the ball back to Pittsburgh Steelers. They had five third down conversions, two fourth down conversions on the drive and they did it a multitude of ways they hit it with the pass. There was a third and 12. They get 11 on a little hitch to Devonta Smith. Get up. Now we go fourth and one. Push, push. Keep the drive going. Three third and twos. You just hand the ball off, hit it up the middle, convert the first down. Unbelievable drive by them to end the game.

[Pat McAfee]

That's domination there.

[Darius Butler]

It's domination.

[Pat McAfee]

Those four minute drives are all about will a lot of people say because will you be able to move the rock when everybody knows what you're trying to do which is keep the ball in bounds, keep the clock rolling and then being able to do that. That for we saw 948 is whenever the drive started or. Yeah, because I think this was after. That's the third down and it was after a delay. Like all the delay shit that started third and six when they picked it up. They throw it there. They obviously give the ball back to the Steelers. They're backed up in their own end zone. Steelers look at this and it's a one, a one score game. Instead they drain the life out of the game in the Pennsylvania state championship. Let's go to Hammer. As you're watching, watching the boa constrictor kind of take the air out of your team this weekend, what were your thoughts, Tone Diggs?

[Darius Butler]

I was disgusted. There was so many like you saw them like third and 13, third and longs where they would, the Steelers would just play off and let them get to a fourth and one situation like this one here with Devonta like and get to a fourth one and then they just have to do the push, the tush push and they got two first downs that way and then. Or it'd be a third and one and they'd have to have short runs that way. It was just couldn't get a stop on the short yardage. Their O line is so good and then playing off so many times in the, in the long yarded situations where they can get it to a short yard situation. I was, I was fuming to be honest.

[Pat McAfee]

Well if you're an Eagles fan that's how you met a Steelers fan.

[Darius Butler]

That's probably so cool.

[Pat McAfee]

And if you're an Eagles fan you should know that being able to do that as a talent and that's the talent that wins you a big time game in the playoffs. Being able to control the rock is a massive ordeal. Maybe this is the year for the Eagles.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, dominant obviously offense, they're going to get the headlines. But the defense has been equally as dominant the Majority of this year up front on all three levels. Up front. It starts with Jaylen Carter, but the edges are playing better now. Second level, Zach Bond has been an all pro player. Nicobe Dean is playing well. And then the back end, they've been locking up as well. So that they got it all clicking right now.

[Pat McAfee]

What was it? 25:10, 25:10 to 4 minutes and 50 seconds. Time of possession in the second half, Eagles to Steelers or something like that.

[AQ Shipley]

I got two possession the second half.

[Darius Butler]

I think they had almost 90 offensive plays. The Steelers had 53. God.

[Pat McAfee]

Dominant. Absolutely dominant. Think about how tired that Steelers defense had to be. There it is. 2410, 550 in second half. That's. That's how you end the game.

[Darius Butler]

He never see that ever.

[Pat McAfee]

Especially against the Steelers team. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, they retired. Get off the field.

[AQ Shipley]

At first, third down. Like, that's a perfect example in the four minute. Like, because you have to load the box and try to stop or limit Saquon or. Jalen hurts in the run game and Jalen hurts in the wrong game. I'm sorry. Then you get one on ones in the outside with A.J. brown like. And if you go back to that first third down, you look at Jordan Jr. At A.J. brown, like, this is what he's going to do to damn near every corner, corner in the national football. You're going to get one on ones, whether it's cover three or cover one. You get that and then you just line up, you got a fresh set of downs, and then they have the damn near automatic fourth and one third one play, I guess. Tough man.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that's third and six, but it's actually like third and four. Because if they get the fourth and one and a half or fourth and two, they feel they're going to be able to get it. And Sirianni has a little mcdc in him. He certainly has a little MCDC in him. He'll go for it. But they get off the field right here. Steelers defense have to punt. They're in scoring range. You score a touchdown, 27, 20 with what, seven minutes left in the game. That's a whole different ball game. Instead, you're never getting it back. Congrats to Philadelphia Eagles being able to do that. And also congrats AQ Shipley with some great talking points. Now it's time for everything. Db, Good D, bad D with Darius J. Butler to it.

[AQ Shipley]

We had JJ on today. Let's talk about his.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, against the Dolphins, Texas classic D class.

[Darius Butler]

Hate it.

[AQ Shipley]

Had to Be tour. I hate it. Had to be Miami. But we're talking about Derek Stingley Jr. Right now. Having an all pro year right now, man. Actually, let me lay out this situation real quick. So this is ten and a half minutes left. Third and five. Ten and a half minutes left in the game. And you can see lined up across Tyreek Hill, one of the best, most dangerous wide receivers in the league. You can see where that free safety is opposite Hash. Not concerned with the matchup. No help needed at all. Watch him play this route. Comeback route. Terribly placed ball from Tua, but a great job from Stingley playing this route. Top shoulder, breaking it. Running route for him.

[Pat McAfee]

Boom.

[AQ Shipley]

Getting his head back, making a play once again, it's inside. You want that to be outside, near the sideline where Tyreek catches it or no one catches it. But great job covering him. Pressed up. No concern, no fear by anyone on the field. With that matchup, how come it feels.

[Pat McAfee]

Like Stingley's okay with the ball going that way?

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, he's. It seemed like he was playing a lot, like low shoulder. Almost like he knew this was.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

And if he runs, it's third and five. So maybe he's playing the sticks. And a lot of people look at it and say, you know, just throw the fade. But obviously they have a route, you know, called into play. They have a play called before they come out of the huddle. So that's the route. Sometimes you'll see like a Randy Moss, he may take that release, just throw his hand up. Maybe they don't have that type of conversion available, especially with single high safety. I feel like that should always be in play, but great job. And here we go again, Derek Stingley. So this is a 1st and 10 with minute and 44 left. You have the matchup. If you're tour, if you're Tyreek, this is the matchup. You want one on one. Cut, split. Once again, post safety has no impact on the matchup. So it's one on one. Mato Mano, once again, great job. Widen him. Getting the head around. Textbook. Lean, locate. Go up high, point the ball and pull it down. And you see this on the tv. Copy. Tyreek had two hands on the ball. Ball was slightly under throw zone. Tyreek has two hands on the ball. Derek has kind of one in there and just pulls it out. Muscles. It finishes that play. Great. Great ball skills, great speed. Great everything at the cornerback position. That's why he was drafted number three overall a couple years ago.

[Pat McAfee]

Holy. I mean, that's a completion yeah. Pulled it out and mossed him, Gumpy. Yeah, he did moss him did. We're with you, Moss. Randy.

[AQ Shipley]

Hell yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we do. We all legit, Randy. Keep going, buddy, and we'll obviously help however we can. Gumpy, what's going on? Tyreek Hill just getting the ball snatched out of his hands around here. I didn't know that was happening. Yeah, all the passes that two or three that were interceptions were supposed to be for Tyreek. McDaniel said he might have ran the wrong route on one, but that's what happens when everything in your offense is on timing and you can't change your.

[Darius Butler]

Mind on anything, man.

[Pat McAfee]

Sounds a little negative.

[J.J. Watt]

Season's over. Season's over, boys.

[Pat McAfee]

You know what did Tyreek. What did Tyreek put out a tweet? Didn't he say, yeah, he's gonna coach like Teddy Bridgewater?

[Darius Butler]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. What'd he say? No, that wasn't his tweet. Didn't he?

[Darius Butler]

Well, he says my time to go coach.

[Pat McAfee]

And what was that? Oh, my time to. I thought he was saying like Teddy Bridgewater, like my time to go coach.

[J.J. Watt]

Oh, maybe I misunderstood.

[AQ Shipley]

Hey, shout out Teddy Bridgewater.

[Darius Butler]

Yes.

[AQ Shipley]

First year state champ at Miami Northwest and his. His alma mater. First year in it. Going back. I think he said he. He wanted to come back and play too now, but. Shout out Teddy B41 zip.

[Pat McAfee]

I think they won the state championship.

[AQ Shipley]

Some team in Jacksonville. That's impressive though. 3A state championship in Florida.

[Pat McAfee]

Florida. First.

[AQ Shipley]

First time in it.

[Pat McAfee]

Undefeated, I think going. Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

Going back to his. His school where very, very prominent program. But I don't think they've kind of been on that level. So for him to go back and.

[Darius Butler]

Do that man, awesome all time documentary on that high school too.

[AQ Shipley]

Oh yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, no.

[AQ Shipley]

Is it called Year the Bull?

[Darius Butler]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, no.

[AQ Shipley]

Sorry, Mike.

[Pat McAfee]

Coach. Come on. Hold on.

[Darius Butler]

Zoom out.

[Pat McAfee]

That watch is so cool. I know everybody wants to say that and that is a.

[AJ Hawk]

A great topic to talk about as.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, but they just extended McDaniel and to us.

[Darius Butler]

So they're definitely back next year.

[Pat McAfee]

I guarantee you would bet anything. Maybe. Maybe Tyreek was saying it's time for me to go.

[Darius Butler]

Like time to go coach. Or it could have been time to go coach the out of here. Nick Daniel.

[Pat McAfee]

Crazy how. How many ways you can read that. It's time for me to go coach like Teddy.

[Darius Butler]

Right?

[Pat McAfee]

It's time for me to go coach.

[Darius Butler]

You know, give me the ball.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it's time.

[AQ Shipley]

Trying to get him to.

[Pat McAfee]

Time to go coach.

[J.J. Watt]

They tried to feed him.

[Darius Butler]

Punctuate you.

[Pat McAfee]

It's time.

[Darius Butler]

Need some commas in there. Need some periods.

[Pat McAfee]

For me, it's time. It's time to go coach. That's crazy. That you can take. That's why the English language is the best by far. Forget the Bargetsi sketch with snl, all that. Which is certainly all valid and phenomenal, but you just think about how context is needed for almost everything, and it's just like, you just read something, you have no idea what it is. Tyrek's gonna have to explain. Explain his. His tweet does.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

At some point, he's gonna have to explain it. Or maybe he won't, because maybe it is time for him to go.

[Darius Butler]

No, he will have to explain it after they fire McDaniel in a couple weeks here. He's gonna have to. He's got the answer to it. And, hey, you wanted this, right?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, exactly. We read your.

[Darius Butler]

We read your tweet. You wanted this to happen. You asked for this Tyree dump.

[Pat McAfee]

What do you want as a Dolphins fan?

[AJ Hawk]

I want McDaniel to stay because he got the best out of Tua.

[Pat McAfee]

Like, I don't know if anybody remembers before Tua got there. Does Tua want to keep going, Going, though?

[AQ Shipley]

In this particular offense, he's like, to Gump's point, he's had a lot of success. Hasn't had a bunch of postseason success. Obviously, you've seen some people kind of maybe read in between the lines of some things he said in previous interviews about all of the gimmicks, for lack of a better term, you know, getting to the line of scrimmage. Hey, play. I got emotion. I gotta.

[Pat McAfee]

This.

[AQ Shipley]

I gotta shift.

[Pat McAfee]

You're talking about. Do we have the video? It's from Kaufman, I believe. Believe, who is a. The largest independent Miami Dolphins podcast. Really? Yep.

[Darius Butler]

Yep.

[AQ Shipley]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

He was posting these videos. I don't think this. All right, we got north right clamp, south fox h top past 38, top. Gumby, xp sweat on one, on one. Ready, break. Northwest, crop up, down. Go to the left, then don't go over there.

[Darius Butler]

Clamp.

[Pat McAfee]

One, one, one. Close enough.

[AQ Shipley]

But as you're thinking of the play.

[Pat McAfee]

You also got to think about, okay, there's the.

[Darius Butler]

Down the distance.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, it's secondary. You have to do that. All right, what is the front of the defense? What's the shell? Okay, Is it too high? All right, they're starting in too high.

[AQ Shipley]

But here's the possibility of.

[Pat McAfee]

If they go to one high, this is what that Thing could look like. All right, are they bringing simulated pressure? If he comes, he's coming down. He's going to the middle. Okay. This is what the coverage could be.

[AQ Shipley]

But you're like thinking of all of.

[Pat McAfee]

That before it happens. And then you're like, okay, does the clock give me time? Ah, I can't said. Hut. We go. So obviously he's just explaining life of a quarterback for him. Mr. Kaufman would then put out this video as well. And I think the point that I think it's K O U F M A N. Yeah. Is the last.

[Darius Butler]

Kaufman. Kufman.

[Pat McAfee]

Kufman. We. We apologize. We appreciate your research, though. His angle on X is pretty much like 2 has been dropping hits and it's a lot. And then here's him after losing, I believe, to the Kansas City Chiefs last year. I. I would. I would attest that to the communication errors that we've had. Am I hearing the right formation? Okay, we're getting out, but we have two motions that we have to use. So it's maybe nine seconds left on the clock. We're motioning. It's about five seconds.

[J.J. Watt]

We don't have time to change or.

[Pat McAfee]

And so now we got to play and. And I mean, we.

[AJ Hawk]

We got to throw.

[Pat McAfee]

Throw where our hots would be.

[AJ Hawk]

But I mean, we're they pressure pressured.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean, Spag had a good plan and they executed well against us. So I think he's just trying to explain his positioning. But there is some people that are saying, like, hey, it's a lot onto his shoulders, that particular offense, and maybe we can dial it down a little bit, but I don't know if McDaniel's offense has those capabilities.

[AQ Shipley]

I mean, you gotta adjust. That's what good coaches do. And you obviously want your starter in there usually. I forgot which coach said it. You don't like to practice. Most teams lose their starting quarterback. It's not going to be good. But. But you want a system that you can also get another quarterback. You get Malik Willis to come in, and I can adjust and win a couple games if our guy goes down. So I'm sure some adjustments will be made. I think Mike McDaniel is a good coach. I obviously think Tua's a good quarterback as well. It's tough to win, obviously, at this point in the year especially. So I hope as a dolphin, they figure it out.

[Pat McAfee]

We like McDaniel. We like Tua. Never been on a show, right? Tua?

[Darius Butler]

No Super Bowl. Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

Doing much. Does he do much media?

[Pat McAfee]

Well, he did that Day. Yeah, he just canceled ours. I don't know what that's all about, to be honest. And I don't know if I should hate him. I don't. I like watching him play football. I think he's been cool this year, too. I like.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, he loves football.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I like to love. He wants to play no matter what. Loves ball.

[AQ Shipley]

Do a diamond hit first.

[Pat McAfee]

July. They'll figure it out. Gump. Probably not, but we'll run it back next year. Gump.

[Darius Butler]

Come on, Gump.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm trying, man.

[J.J. Watt]

Man.

[Pat McAfee]

25 years, a long time without a playoff win, brother. All right, let's go to Denver, shall we? On everything.

[AQ Shipley]

DB Going from one All Pro, in my opinion, AP tone to another All Pro corner. AP tone out there trying to suggest. I didn't know we got a voter in the building.

[Pat McAfee]

You know how this goes.

[AQ Shipley]

DBut unfortunately, the last one was against my Dolphins. This is against my Colts. But cover two, flat defender. We see this right route a lot. Indy seven, China seven, whatever you want to call it. The outside receiver is going to run a low route. The inside receiver don't want to call it that. It's going to run a seven. So a deep outbreaker. Patrick, certain kind of plays. Certain kind of plays. Both of them reads the quarterback, puts that foot in the ground, gets back and expands almost like a combine drill after Richardson tries to put it on the line, ends up throwing it right at 2. But a great job by him. Kind of of playing that game with the young quarterback. Forget who was calling this game. They said this route, that route that they have highlighted and drawn up there, should be ran a little deeper, not as shallow. I agree with it because that helps the corner when they're not as deep to be able to play both of them. But I think the safety gets a good break as well. So that would be a tough throw to make, regardless of where you threw it. Maybe you take the underneath one there. This is first and 20 in the fourth quarter. 7:46 in game. So critical moment in the game that you don't want to turn the ball over, especially on first down.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I mean, he probably just goes ready for a touchdown. Yeah, he probably gets it, catches it and goes like, yes, right here.

[AQ Shipley]

But I mean, throw the check there. And obviously his coach is probably telling the same thing. And you line up, you know, second and 14, you know, get. Get back on track, hopefully get a third and manageable. But great job by Pat Certane there. Kind of playing the game with the young quarterback.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And Anthony Richardson has had a couple tough ones. Young, young quarterback, young quarterback. You learn from these Broncos great defense. That's why this first two drives for the Colts where they scored, it was like, yeah, oh, shit, wait a minute. Fresh off a buy. And then obviously what happens, happens, and the second half becomes what it becomes. Okay, let's go to Las Vegas.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, that was a young quarterback getting picked on. This is an old quarterback getting picked on. Once again, third quarter, first and 10. So this is first down. I hate, hate, you know, turnovers in general. Some quarterback. But throwing them on first down, you know that. That hurts as well. So it's going to be the same thing. Dan O. Came on and talked about how Kirk hasn't moved from the pocket. You got Bobby Spillane here. You just watch him around that Raiders logo cover number three. Three hook. Just a pure zone coverage. Everyone drops back underneath. Defenders, keep your eye on the quarterback. Break on intentions. 18 As a defender, when you know that quarterback is always going to be on that same spot. A statue, as we call statue quarterbacks. Not many of them left right now. Kirk is a statue. We know exactly what drops we need to get to. You read the quarterback. We saw it last week, I believe, with Josh Mattelis to the Vikings. And now you got Bobby Spillane making a big, big play here for his Raiders to make this game a lot closer than a lot of people thought it probably should be.

[Pat McAfee]

The statue thing, why you guys just know the timing of everything. Yeah, that's because you know, this is how this play is going to be running. The timing where you need to be. And if you're not there, you're gonna get beat.

[AQ Shipley]

Exactly. So if you were to bring up, like, the coverages and like, they put, like, shaded, like, okay, every coverage has, like, weaknesses cover three, certain weaknesses cover two, cover four, etc. And you put that and you say, okay, as a spot drop, as a hook curl defender, I need to be 12 to 14 yards deep. Split the numbers in hash. If that's Josh Allen, he drops back, maybe he rolls to his right.

[Darius Butler]

Right.

[AQ Shipley]

World Series left, those zones kind of move and change, and the receivers can find different windows. If you can be a statue, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, you kind of. You got to win with your mind. You got to move people with your eyes. You got to anticipate the windows. Where are the coverages, where are the weaknesses? Anticipate them and then throw the ball on time, on target. So when you're not doing that as a statue, that just makes you. I mean, it's like, you know, fishing a bird for a defense and a good defense. Patrick Graham's a good defensive coordinator. Raiders, you know, they stink PG's. I played for him. He's a. He's a. He's a good defensive coordinator.

[Pat McAfee]

I love to hear that. Because everybody's saying these guys that can't move much or don't move much in extended place, they're about to be extinct. They're about to be Tyrannosaurus rex, bro. Oh yeah, which is real. I don't think so.

[Darius Butler]

What?

[Pat McAfee]

Wait, what do you mean big museum back at. Again? I saw an article the other day. They found a new species of dinosaur. I thought we found them already.

[Darius Butler]

I mean, those are the answers we'll get with aliens too.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, did they ever. Did we ever. You.

[Darius Butler]

You tell us.

[Pat McAfee]

Just.

[Darius Butler]

Is that real?

[Pat McAfee]

Have you guys visited here before and was there different people, different things? Was there dinosaurs in here? What is seats on a believer in dinosaurs? He thinks it's big museum. A lot of papier mache bones at those museums. Let's just say that. Can't touch them, can't get near them. Where they. Where they come from. Oh, they dug them up. Where at?

[AQ Shipley]

I believe. I believe D. I don't believe we ever been to the.

[Darius Butler]

Don't say it.

[Pat McAfee]

Shut up.

[AQ Shipley]

But I definitely believe D. Shut up.

[Darius Butler]

What was that all about, Ty?

[Pat McAfee]

What was Buzz all about? I saw. What was that all about?

[Darius Butler]

These days you. You can get anybody to say anything. You think Buzz would say that? The guy who's prancing on the moon? No, you. Buzz would never say that, ever.

[Pat McAfee]

I think it's such a good angle with that camera, let me tell you.

[Darius Butler]

Seeing what they're doing with AI.

[Pat McAfee]

No, I'm talking about on the moon. That's what you're saying. It's AI.

[Darius Butler]

No, I mean, you know, NASA. We won the space race. We had the technology to be clear.

[Pat McAfee]

To be clear. Whole life believer we went to the.

[Darius Butler]

Moon now because we did.

[Pat McAfee]

Did okay. Yeah, certainly questions, whatever the case. We did okay. We did. I love that we bluffed if we didn't. I like that we beat Russia. Just being like, yeah, we. Even if we didn't, you know, like that, I still think we won the entire thing if that was how it went. Now did we go? I hope so.

[Darius Butler]

Without a doubt.

[Pat McAfee]

For the good of America. I hope so. I hope we did.

[AQ Shipley]

We did one and done right.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, I haven't been able to make it back. We had perfect connection. Could hear. Then they slingshot around the moon to get back telemetry. First time trying it, obviously. 1969, is it?

[Darius Butler]

Great minds. Great minds. You ever seen Hidden Figures?

[Pat McAfee]

Love it. Yeah. Yeah. I have good math.

[Darius Butler]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

That's good math. I agree. Okay, so we did go. It's wild, you know, because I don't even know if they had this phone yet.

[Darius Butler]

Then the rotary. Oh, we. We had the rotary doubt. That was Gilligan's Island.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, you're right. You forgot. I forgot.

[Darius Butler]

So.

[Pat McAfee]

So we saw how those scenes were, and now it's Gilligan's Island.

[AQ Shipley]

They couldn't get off a island.

[Darius Butler]

TV show.

[Pat McAfee]

TV show. All right, so let's say we did go to the moon. We.

[Darius Butler]

Because we did.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. We went to the moon. I'm pumped. Usa.

[Darius Butler]

Usa. Usa.

[Pat McAfee]

But even if we did it, and there's people that doubt it, there's no if.

[Darius Butler]

We didn't. You can leave that out.

[Pat McAfee]

I would still like the people then that don't believe it. Okay. To know that we still beat them.

[Darius Butler]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Because we bluffed them. They had the nuts. Allegedly. Potentially. We didn't. We bluffed them. We won. So that's good for us anyways. Usa. Usa. It's still a USA champ.

[Darius Butler]

Without a doubt. If you don't believe. Wake up.

[Pat McAfee]

Wake up.

[Darius Butler]

That's all I got to say about that.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh. I pledge allegiance to the flag that was on the moon.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

For the United States of America. To the Republic for which it stands.

[Darius Butler]

One nation under the moon. Which we went to. How come no one else is sending a he.

[Pat McAfee]

Humans. Yeah. How come we haven't been back?

[Darius Butler]

Because we told them, hey, look, listen, you're playing for second place. We already know what's up there. We brought the cheese back. And they're not America. No one wanted to check it out for themselves.

[Pat McAfee]

No, that's kind of. That's kind of how it always works with the world.

[Darius Butler]

Without a doubt. We told them, hey, listen, you can go. You're not gonna make it. You don't have the telemetry. You don't have the scientists. You don't have the mathematicians that we have. You can try. If you want to die, go ahead, go do it.

[Pat McAfee]

You think everybody's gonna ever try it again?

[Darius Butler]

I mean, I'm sure, you know, we'll probably head back when we need to. When we. When there's another race, when we deem.

[Pat McAfee]

Fit, can we get a cannonball run to moon? So maybe somebody will get a little excited to make it.

[Darius Butler]

Not a bad idea. You know, who is going back to the Moon very soon here. Oh, tc. He's doing it on his next movie.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, movie is what they.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, but he's actually going. No, I'm filming on the moon. No, I'm saying he's actually going, yeah, it's a movie, but he's actually going to the moon. The fir. The first moon landing. Yeah, listen, I've heard the Red Hot Chili Peppers song, okay?

[Pat McAfee]

In Hollywood basement.

[Darius Butler]

That guy's a heroin addict. He doesn't know, all right?

[Pat McAfee]

Not anymore.

[Darius Butler]

He used to be.

[Pat McAfee]

He's back. Used to?

[Darius Butler]

When he was making that song. Yeah, I think he might have been. We went to the moon. Yeah. You're also crazy to think we're not. We haven't gone back.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, I agree.

[Darius Butler]

You should look into that.

[Pat McAfee]

We've been back.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, yeah, we've been.

[Pat McAfee]

Saw a dude hit a golf ball from the moon.

[Darius Butler]

Well, that was when we initially went.

[Pat McAfee]

Armstrong in a. I can't remember if.

[Darius Butler]

It was Neil or Buzz. I'm sure they both took a couple hacks up there.

[Pat McAfee]

Striped it. They striped it. Still going. Space junk. Still rolling. It's a title.

[Darius Butler]

Exactly. Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

Was Titus even around back then? What was that? What type of golf clubs were those? Oh, God.

[Darius Butler]

I'd have to look into what kind of. Yeah, Schlossinger, maybe. I'd have to look into what kind of clubs, you know, Arnie Palmer was using.

[Pat McAfee]

But I guess Alan Shepard hit a donger up there. Sure.

[Darius Butler]

Al Sh.

[Pat McAfee]

Alan Shepard, an astronaut on the Apollo 14 mission, was the first person to hit a golf ball in the Moon. 1971. So they went back and they stayed.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, we went back.

[Pat McAfee]

I love that we did that.

[Darius Butler]

Had to.

[Pat McAfee]

How do you feel now? Do you change your. Your opinion now that we know that Alan Shepard hit a. It's still going.

[Darius Butler]

That's Google. Google doesn't lie, my friend.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, actually, I think that's kind of been a big part of a conversation.

[Darius Butler]

Look at that.

[AQ Shipley]

It's a good shot.

[Pat McAfee]

So they set up the shot like they were Survivor Man. You remember when that guy was out in the woods, he had to set up his own shot. Some influencers do it now around their house. They set up a camera, walk through the shot shot, go back, get the camera, reset it back up, live their life, do the whole thing. That's what they did up there.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, because we couldn't, you know, run the risk of having the film, you know, potentially be some sort of interference with the. The, you know, tools on the.

[Pat McAfee]

No glitches. Was this live or was this recorded?

[Darius Butler]

You know, I'm sure there was a live feed to NASA.

[AQ Shipley]

I know that it's good service.

[Pat McAfee]

That is really good service.

[Darius Butler]

Well, they had satellites up there, as I said.

[Pat McAfee]

Right there.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah. Boom. That's what it's all about.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm so pumped we got up here.

[Darius Butler]

Me too.

[Pat McAfee]

Usa. Usa.

[AQ Shipley]

Usa. Maybe you need to do some more research.

[Darius Butler]

I think you should.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's do some. Is this bad D or good?

[AQ Shipley]

This is good D. This is James Winston. So this is.

[Darius Butler]

It's a good D. Come on, man.

[AQ Shipley]

Trent McDuff had a cool interception. Use the Jumbotron on this one once again. Third quarter, 13 minutes at first and 10 at this point, it's a 21 to 7 game, so a game well within reach. With 13 minutes left in the fourth quarter, first down, like, you just can't have this type of play. You can't make these type of decisions as a quarterback. Great job. Great awareness by Trent McDuffie, understanding where he was on the field, peeking up at the Jumbotron, which obviously does not have a delay in that building, getting his head around and picking his ball off. But for Jameis Winston, I think this is one of the plays that led to them making the decision to go with the young man. DTR just can't make these decisions. And if you watch this game like the Brown, we saw it on AQ's clips, like, we saw what Miles Garrett, that defense was doing. They had opportunities to actually win this game against the Kansas City Chiefs. But if your quarterback continues to turn the ball over at the rate that Jameis was, you just put the team in a bad spot.

[Pat McAfee]

That was kind of the Jamis story coming out of Tampa Bay. It ends up being that way for Cleveland, even though they're already out of it. He's been slinging it around. McDuffie using the Jumbotron is sweet. A lot of guys running the ball will use the Jumbo to see if anybody's tracking him, having wherewithal that it's on his side of the field and it's him and, oh, ball's coming out. It's just like when the sideline yells ball. He actually saw it with the Jumbotron. He takes a. A quick glimpse, too. It's like very. There it is. He's looking at it right now.

[AQ Shipley]

Kind of eases up and gets his head back. Don't you know? Don't you see a lot of young DBs panic in this moment? Gets his head, turns it to the receiver, gets his head back, and then makes a play on the ball. It's a unbelievable play by McDuffie.

[Pat McAfee]

Geez.

[AQ Shipley]

Got his knee down, which is, we know, two feet.

[Pat McAfee]

Why?

[AQ Shipley]

Great job.

[Pat McAfee]

James can't catch a break. I mean, guys using a jumbo.

[Darius Butler]

St. James's fault.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean, guy can't even go back shoulder on these guys because there is no back shoulder. Everything's front shoulder because they got 360 vision on the goddamn jumbo.

[AQ Shipley]

Throw it away.

[Pat McAfee]

No.

[Darius Butler]

What first or the guy right in the middle of the field that was wide open. I mean, I don't know. You couldn't see him. Drew Tranquil was there.

[Pat McAfee]

Who are you saying? Oh, you got. It's so easy in the sky.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, I just don't think. I don't think the guy in the end zone was even close to being open. Let's just watch this guy right here. Middle of the field here. Let's just keep. Let it go. Let it go. Let's just watch. Mahomes dumps that right there. Touchdown. Sleep good. Night. Night.

[Pat McAfee]

Night.

[Darius Butler]

No, that's a buddy pass. Josh Allen finds that touchdown.

[AQ Shipley]

Look at James. James.

[Darius Butler]

Josh Allen ain't James.

[AQ Shipley]

Brother.

[Pat McAfee]

Is that guy in this? I don't think so.

[Darius Butler]

See Brown.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, my God.

[Darius Butler]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

James. Keep spinning it, pal. Keep spinning it. I don't know where he's gonna end up. You know, I don't know how it all goes, but I hope we can continue to watch him throw a football around.

[Darius Butler]

See the Giants.

[Pat McAfee]

Giants. Maybe the Raiders.

[Darius Butler]

He'd be a perfect Raider.

[Pat McAfee]

You saw Coach Prime? Coach prime was on with Pac man on the Pac Man Jones show. And he's been getting great conversations out of that. Incredibly proud of him to continue to do that. Coach prime said Giants are staying at number one. And then he said shadors go number one to Pac Man Jones. Pac Man Jones, Coach prime, long relationship. Know each other very well, so feels like the Giants already have their eyes. If we listen to Coach prime, which we should. Guys got connections everywhere.

[Darius Butler]

Definitely.

[Pat McAfee]

I think you just got somebody else out of the transporter. Liberty quarterback, maybe. Let's go to one half of the Hammer. Cowboys. Tone Diggs. Was it the Liberty quarterback that just transferred from the transfer portal into Colorado? I will look.

[Darius Butler]

I. I will look. I don't know if Kaden Salter went there or not. If it did, he's awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I think he believes so.

[J.J. Watt]

Bruce is saying yes, yes.

[Pat McAfee]

I believe it just came through. So he's got juju going up there. The number one ranked quarterback of next year's class. He reclassified into this year's class. And then he's also got the kid from Liberty who is phenomenal.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, Salter's a. He is much more of a dual threat than Shadur was, but a great bridge. Like a lot of these schools are looking for bridge veteran quarterbacks who are like said they're bringing in these five star true freshman quarterbacks.

[Pat McAfee]

So that.

[Darius Butler]

But they're bringing in these like bridge veteran quarterbacks to go for a year to let the five star kind of sit and learn for a year. But Salter was put up prolific numbers at Liberty two years ago, so the team wasn't as good this year. But still he still put up a bunch of numbers. But he is a great dual threat quarterback.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so he should have thought about West Virginia, but obviously Coach prime, you know where to find me. And congrats to him continuing to have success as we're talking about the transfer portal. West Virginia is looking for a kicker and I think there's a kid from Western Kentucky that's potentially in Transportal. I've been watching your film, bud.

[Darius Butler]

Think about it head on down.

[Pat McAfee]

How's your work ethic? You got a good work ethic, I think. I think there's a chance you could be a bond near if you wanted to, Buddy. I think there's a chance there's some others too. Looking for a kicker. I think there's some other positions. I'm trying to get as much information about the transfer portal as possible from coach Rod about who we're looking for. Because I watched that game last night.

[AQ Shipley]

Oh yeah, it was some good memes.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, how much money we gonna. How much money do we need to get guys that are your guys in there? Because there's probably going to be a transition here. That's what prime is trying to eliminate here. The turnover from this Colorado Buffaloes team could be one that's, you know, drastic. Instead he's like, nah, just like we did whenever we came in here. We had that one losing season. We win, we need to continue to have that. So he's hitting the portal hard. Just like Kurt Signetti was able to do at Indiana. He hits portal hard. He gets his guys in there. Coach Rod's gonna have to get his guys in there. I think after watching last night and this entire era of Neil Brown football. Although, hey, we appreciate what he's done. Just vastly different style of player and then wearing Neil Brown shirts out there. I appreciate their loyalty to Neil Brown and appreciation for Neil Brown. You lost the game, but like could have been A good tribute, win the game. But I think there's going to be some guys that we're going to get in there and I'm pretty excited about it all. Transfer portal is a game changer.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

It's also a headache. It sounds like for these College Football Playoff teams.

[Darius Butler]

It's a massive detriment.

[Pat McAfee]

Kurt Signetti is like, so we got to get 15 more guys in here out of the transport like we did last year. But we're preparing for the biggest game in the history of our school. And then 70% of these guys are already going to have homes. And I can't even.

[Darius Butler]

How's that work?

[Pat McAfee]

And then right last week, he's like, we got people calling my guys saying, how are they? What are we?

[Darius Butler]

I mean, that bow that's going to change.

[Pat McAfee]

Has to change. Yeah, the bow thing. But go ahead, A.J. to your point. Has to change. It has to change. Yeah, it has to change. We'll have Charlie Baker in here tomorrow. A lot of questions about a lot of stuff. So can you just have one transfer portal in. I think there. There just has to be a time slot for it. The issue is the academia. Because you got to transfer before you can. So you can apply for the spring semester. I think because you have to have classes.

[Darius Butler]

You are correct.

[Pat McAfee]

So I think that has become the big. And if you miss a spring semester, then you don't have enough credits to potentially be in the. So it's like a. I don't know how they fix that legitimately. I don't know how they fix that. I have no idea.

[Darius Butler]

You almost have to like eliminate a conference game and then make sure that the conference College Football playoff is done by New Year's Day or something like that. Because otherwise there's just eliminate a non conference. Well, yeah, exactly. Or you just push it back because if it ends January 20th, when's the Pro Bowl?

[AQ Shipley]

The.

[Darius Butler]

February 2nd or 3rd. And you just push it back the entire thing.

[Pat McAfee]

But then they're not in school until when? School? April.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, school.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, but then the transfer window. Right. Would. And when does the transfer portal end? Oh, you're saying have the transfer portal open and end before the college football playoffs start. Yeah, Bingo. So you push the final back. So you push the whole thing back.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, so there's a longer transfer portal time is like the two weeks what they got off. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

At the same time. Yeah, it's the. The time they have off because then.

[Pat McAfee]

If the team then all the decisions already made before the College Football Playoff. Yeah. Oh, that's a. That's a quagmire. It's a little bit of a quagmire with the academia thing. You just need the schools to be able to accept the other place's credits, you know, which never.

[Darius Butler]

That shit's impossible. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Especially if they feel like they are higher academically than you are. Huh. Like West Virginia. I don't know how many of mine would transferred over if I would have went to somewhere else. Yeah, we do. Forget about the school. Forget about the school aspect with all of this portal and nil situation. You forget that they're in school still. Yeah. There's a spring semester coming up that they have to get enrolled in because classes fill up and that matters.

[Darius Butler]

Or if you go to Ohio State, you got trimesters, right?

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know. They do something different now than what I did. We didn't start school until like September 20th when I was there. Okay. Oregon's doing that, I think. Gumps, you remember that? They. They. Is it trime? I don't know if it's trimesters. Maybe it's trimesters. I don't know. They had just gotten to school like a week or two before. Like whatever week we were there.

[Darius Butler]

A lot of the Ivy Leagues do that traffic trimesters. So you start late, start later, and you end later.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. They begin September 30th, it says. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Most of the max schools and Ohio school trimesters.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And then you just go into the summer. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

You go into June.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I wouldn't mind that at all. We were always staying anywhere for summer school and workouts. So. Yeah. Yeah, we were there year round. What did UConn do semesters. Do you guys have pass fail up there?

[AQ Shipley]

Oh, we. You mean like class? Yeah, classes.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, Those are the transition ones that don't play.

[Pat McAfee]

I. Well, I learned from Colin. Clyty was his name. Tight end from Brown University. My draft class dog, Genius, he had pass fail classes all over.

[Darius Butler]

All of them at Brown. Every single Brown's all.

[Pat McAfee]

I've never been more frustrated. Whenever I learned something, I'm like, so you just got to pass the class?

[Darius Butler]

It's amazing.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all you have to do.

[Darius Butler]

Just be okay with a D. Let's.

[Pat McAfee]

Go figure that out. It's harder though.

[Darius Butler]

I took a handful like that.

[Pat McAfee]

How'd you feel? Fine.

[Darius Butler]

Because you just a lot of them. It was an option when you signed.

[Pat McAfee]

Up for the class.

[Darius Butler]

You just had to declare, do you want to do pass fail or do.

[Pat McAfee]

You want to do the Regular. Wow.

[AQ Shipley]

What?

[Pat McAfee]

God, I didn't have that option at all.

[Darius Butler]

Sometimes they have that for like at the. Towards the end of the semester, let's say you. You are doing very well, but one of your classes, you're not doing well. And it's bringing that your gpa, they'll be like, we can make this pass fail for you.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, that's a good little play. Yeah, they did that at Fairfield.

[Darius Butler]

I forget if it was at Fairfield. If it was someone that I knew that was like playing sports somewhere.

[Pat McAfee]

Go Stags.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, I don't think it was Fairfield.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. West Virginia. I just took two F's in two classes.

[AQ Shipley]

Come on.

[Pat McAfee]

Can't drop me. I'm not going to be here. Just give me 2F, please. Keep me in the class though. I need 12 hours to remain eligible. I'm leaving after the seasons.

[Darius Butler]

Magic Johnson. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm not gonna be here. I'm not Ms. Feather. She's the best. She's the absolute best.

[AQ Shipley]

College was fun, man. It was great time.

[Pat McAfee]

School was something. What's your major?

[AQ Shipley]

Sociology.

[Pat McAfee]

Did you graduate?

[AQ Shipley]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

Congratulations. This guy's a hall of famer and a graduate.

[Darius Butler]

No big deal.

[Pat McAfee]

Holy.

[AQ Shipley]

Had to get. I had to get that paper.

[Pat McAfee]

Sociology is the study of people interacting or groups interacting with other groups.

[AQ Shipley]

Society. People raise different groups, different genders, different races. All these different things.

[Pat McAfee]

I was a sociology minor. Those were some of the most. Those are the best classes. I think they have done me very well in the world that I'm in now in a locker room. I think it has helped me out a lot. I think in life, it's helped me out a lot. I enjoy the sociology stuff. It also told me that polls are all which, like north and south. No, those are moving right now. Polls ll. Yeah. Because like, who are you asking? Where is this being asked? How is the question delivered? Like all those types of things, they started making you like immediately start to question, shout out to Sociology. Congrats to you. What was your major?

[Darius Butler]

Labor Employment Relations.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah, I forgot you wanted to be the Longshore guy.

[Darius Butler]

That's right. That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

WVU undergraduate students are now able to select high pass pass fail grading for their courses. Students may select HPP or F option on a course by course basis. They may have some courses that use the traditional grading scale and some of that on pass fail grading show. Okay, listen, if you're in a transfer portal, okay, and you have a good work ethic and school is a little bit more difficult, you know, to either care about or to get Through. We got pass fail, high pass. Good job. You go HP all day, you'll be on the All Academic Big 12 team. You go with the P's though. They get degrees. Come on in. The water is fine. I'm so pumped.

[AQ Shipley]

That's crazy.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's go Mountaineers.

[Darius Butler]

Hell yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's go Mountaineers.

[AQ Shipley]

All right, Mickey Mouse. How did that affect GPA?

[Pat McAfee]

You just don't get one.

[Darius Butler]

GPAs are like. Yeah, it doesn't thing in the past. It doesn't count towards you really just move on. I mean, that was coveted. That's kind of. That article is from COVID I assume a lot of schools because of COVID changed.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know how anybody got through anything with Zoom classes. If I had to do that in my house with Sally and Tim and my brother dial up and you sit there and they're teaching her. Yeah, I'm paying attention. No way.

[Darius Butler]

They weren't. They weren't physically capable of making it back then anyways.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's say it happened now. Let's say I'm in the same situation, but actual good Internet. Same house, same setup, same thing. Family, no shot. How many people dropped. Everybody dropped out of school. I mean, how. There's an entire class of people. I assume they were just like, this ain't for us. How do we. You know, how do we. We have no room. What is this? In middle of the living room. We're doing this and everybody's just staring at these people. Where. Where's he. Where do we use a bathroom when. Where do we put a class at?

[AQ Shipley]

Or your siblings.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. How many. How many different areas do we have? I don't know how anybody did it, but congrats to the group that had to do that. Probably still feeling the effects of that right now. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

It depends on what your age. Because my kids were doing it like elementary, middle. And once they went back, they were cool and in Florida too. So I feel like we went back a little sooner and got re. Acclimated. But if you're. If that was like your senior year in high school, it sucked.

[Darius Butler]

That was my sister.

[J.J. Watt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that.

[Darius Butler]

I mean, crazy whole senior year gone and then even into college, like, because the COVID Everything, especially imagine if it.

[Pat McAfee]

Was your junior and senior. Right. Because it was like two years. That's a lot of development there. Sports situations. Yeah, sports. A lot of interaction with humans that you need too, to develop. Yeah. As a human.

[Darius Butler]

Just fun times.

[Pat McAfee]

We got to remember that for the people at that generation, whenever they say things and we go, this ain't your fault. You. You literally. Your experiences that we had out in the real world, you're on Internet, so, like, that's why you feel the way you feel. But life happens, and hopefully you'll catch up. But it's not fair what happened to you. But you survived. A lot of people didn't.

[J.J. Watt]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what we got to remember. We didn't just survive. We thrived.

[Darius Butler]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

Speaking of thriving, who are the five offensive lines from week 15 that thrived more than anybody else in the NFL? It's time to go in the trenches with AQ Shipley for our top five performing offense alive from week one five.

[J.J. Watt]

Here we go. Here we go. Here we go.

[Darius Butler]

Here we go. We got the Atlanta Falcons at number five.

[Pat McAfee]

Wow. This is Kirk Cousins.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah. Which probably leads to the decision a little bit further is the fact that this group has not been the problem. There's really been one guy that's been the problem over the last couple of weeks. And so it's easy to make this decision with Mr. Kirk Cousins. The old man. The old man can't do what he used to do. Can't do the play actions because the boys up front can run. Run the out of the ball. Let's watch Mr. Crystal Instrument.

[Pat McAfee]

Wouldn't that lead to having a play action? If you can run the out of.

[Darius Butler]

The ball, that's why they should be doing it. But he can't do it because of his Achilles. He can't. You can't hand the ball off.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, he can't do the pivot.

[Darius Butler]

It's the Rolex. It's the rollout.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, God.

[Darius Butler]

There's a couple times in this game where he's handing off, like, even this one. This looks painful. This looks like somebody, like, trying to reach for this zone right here. Like, it's like, oh, he missed that one. He couldn't get over there. Couldn't get over there quick enough. Exactly. There's a lot of issues like that, but. But I love this split zone. AJ can talk a little bit more about this, but when the fullback goes opposite of where the running back goes, it holds the linebackers in place. They also took themselves out of it on defense because they're blitzing off the weak side. Fan, fan, fan. Lindstrom puts his guy on the ground, and boom. Bijon does what Bijon does. 125 yards. He's starting to look electric.

[Pat McAfee]

Ah. The Atlanta Falcons, number five, perform an offensive line. Congratulations to them. They have a Chance Okay.

[Darius Butler]

Nope. They sure don't.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's go to number four, performing offensive line out of week 15. Whoa.

[Darius Butler]

This team might be my pick to win the super bowl at this point. Huge.

[Pat McAfee]

The Green.

[Darius Butler]

I said it.

[Pat McAfee]

Bay Packers.

[Darius Butler]

Green Bay packers number four this week. They have been fantastic. We are just gonna get. Check this out. I love Leflore. Obviously, I've. I've said this a lot. But when they send this motion here, this is all game plan. Watch the DB bump back into the box as they run the zone. No, let that go. Let that go. So we're going to motion across first. Now we're going to set it right there. And now we're going to send a fly motion across the formation. And when that happens, you'll see a DB bump into the box right about there. And as that happens, as that DB bumps in, now you get a little guy and you got a single combination between center and left guard Jenkins as he climbs to a db. It's easy as you don't want that. You just run him out of the way. And that is all. Game plan. You know, whether they're going to be a bump team or if it's man coverage team, they're going to run with it. And that linebacker stays in the box. But when you know it's a zone team and you get them in zone coverage like this, boom. We send that. Nobody bumps with them. We know it's zone. Okay, cool. Now let's send the motion. They're going to bump back in. And now you get a 330 pound guard who's been an all pro before on 190 pound DB.

[Pat McAfee]

AJ that's all planned. Oh, yeah, he's got that look at number two. He's got that B gap. So you'd much rather have a. A nickel or a safety or a corner having to step in the box and play that B gap instead of 13 your inside backer. Genius. Hey, and it happens at the snap too, Pat. That's the thing. Like you see that jet motion and boom. Ball is snapped. DB's like, oh, no. I got. I'm a B gap defender here and I have a monster in my face already. We need to give Leflore his flower.

[AQ Shipley]

La flowers love flyers.

[Pat McAfee]

Spread it out smart.

[AJ Hawk]

Most conservative coach in the NFL.

[Pat McAfee]

NFL this year going forward on fourth.

[Darius Butler]

He's so good though. He is so.

[Pat McAfee]

No, no. Conservative on his decisions politically, but. Okay, we have not got the other answer.

[Darius Butler]

We'll certainly with that motion too then, like eventually they'll just hit Jaden Reed going the other way. I think he had like four of those and each one like 12 or more yards. That's right. And then they'll do the spinner thing that they do where they fake it to there. They fake it here, here, spin around, run the counter back the other way.

[Pat McAfee]

Do you like that? Jordan loves super cool and just does a head nod as the motion instead of anything with his leg. Look at the head nod. Looks over. I like it. Let's say. Hey, you. Come on.

[Darius Butler]

That's awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

That is all. That's super cool.

[Darius Butler]

That's awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

And then jet sweep right there. Could happen. Takes 55 out of it over here.

[Darius Butler]

It's a great single. Great single by the center and front side. The all whites are sick.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, they are sick. All right, let's go to the number three performing offensive line. From week 15, we will go to.

[Darius Butler]

The desert, the Arizona Cardinals. Number three.

[Pat McAfee]

You.

[Darius Butler]

Sorry. Sorry. You saw it. You saw him run the out of the ball.

[Pat McAfee]

Every team against the Patriots has made top five, hasn't it, this year?

[Darius Butler]

Damn near. It's up there. Or we'll be on bad D or something like that. Seems to be a trend with all.

[J.J. Watt]

Three of the teams so far on this list.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, yeah, there's no doubt about that. But listen here. I miss that there's a trend on the people who they're going against, I think is what he's trying to say.

[Pat McAfee]

Play. Who was the Raiders?

[Darius Butler]

Raiders. Seahawks. Seahawks. Seahawks are pretty good. Is that what you were saying, Nick? Yeah, they're definitely known for their defense.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, you want him to go and play who he can play?

[AQ Shipley]

Mike McDonald.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, Mike McDonald's a good defensive coach.

[Pat McAfee]

Arizona Cardinals, good offense. He got a good offensive line.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, let's. All right, so this has become the trend. Obviously, nobody wants to block the center back on a backside three or in this case, even. Even a wider four eye technique on the backside tackle. So we just man it and now we pull the center. The center's got to be athletic in today's game. Let's pull the center.

[AQ Shipley]

Boom.

[Darius Butler]

He's going to get cut down, which should be illegal as he gets his knees chopped out right here. Then we get the tackle around.

[AQ Shipley]

It's a good edge.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, it's bull. I mean, after playing hard.

[Pat McAfee]

Clinic tape.

[Darius Butler]

That's clinic tape.

[Pat McAfee]

Outside leg. It was showing that in a team meeting.

[AQ Shipley]

Absolutely.

[Darius Butler]

I mean, my daughter could run through the hole. So he did a great job setting the edges. We get a big gaping hole right up as Jonah Williams seals the Backer and boom. James Connor out the gate. How good is that?

[AQ Shipley]

DB did his job.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Marvin blocking the other thing, too. If you go back just right, right to the beginning of the blocking. If you go back, the left tackle, Paris Johnson does a nice job kind of bumping this shade down. Watch this. He's going to come down on the high leg and number 70 to the left. Boom.

[Pat McAfee]

And then what?

[Darius Butler]

And then he climbs. He misses the climb, but we're not gonna talk about it. What are we doing? He opened the hole. He opened the hole. We take care of the down guys before we get to the second level, all right? Team sucks, man.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, man. But he can't do anything once they get on the lines. In between the lines. Let's go. The number two performing offensive line from week 15, the Buffalo Bills.

[Darius Butler]

How good are they? 104 yards rushing, I think from Cook, and he has been fantastic this year. You get Dion Dawkins. He's always the star. We always start.

[Pat McAfee]

He appreciates you.

[Darius Butler]

I love it.

[Pat McAfee]

Did you hear that? He talked a lot of love about AQ show.

[Darius Butler]

That was pretty cool. I love seeing that. That was really cool. He's been fantastic. You take a look at this one, and I'm not going to give away the first one or the number one team this week, but probably the two best left tackles in the game right now. You got Dion Dawkins opening this thing up. He's going to settle because he knows he's got tight. Just seal him down inside. We get the pool right here. Boom, there's the kick out. Great job by the left guard. Getting up on the linebacker, and boom, he's out the gate.

[Pat McAfee]

Try to pull the dreads.

[Darius Butler]

Tried to pull the dread. Kirby Joe, which is legal, by the way. Everybody knows that's illegal.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it certainly is.

[Darius Butler]

Can do it, but this is their. This is their bread and butter play. They love pool and tackles, whether it's Dion or whether it's Spencer Brown. They love pulling the tackle because what that allows is everybody else just to block down. And then all you got to do is see in this case, he's really pulling for the guy that was over Dion Dawkins. And so you got to be on the same page here because Dion takes his guy as he slants inside, and then he's got to adjust on the linebacker.

[Pat McAfee]

And then James Cook sets this up, makes him go this way, and bang, bang, bang.

[Darius Butler]

A good running back always sets up his block.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, that was sick.

[AQ Shipley]

Another combine. Drew back.

[Darius Butler]

Yep, that's right. Almost there. Jamal Adams.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, who's the number one performing offensive line from week 15 in the trenches with AQ Shipley?

[Darius Butler]

The 10 Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Another week of over 200 yards rushing and this is the best left tackle in the game. It's unbelievable the transition he's been able to make. Tristan Wurfs as an absolute dog dog. But they're gonna run counter. They loved going. They love going with this. Liam Cohen does not because he's. He wants to be in the 11 personnel McVeigh world, but he loves using what he has. And they have two really good tight ends. They a fullback. Kokief, you're going to run counter. But let's take a look frontside first. Let's look at Kate ought number 88 by him arcing here. It sets up Bosa and holds him. It freezes him just enough so now he can't crash down off of G. And when he does that, now you get the kick out from the backside guard. Watch G send this guy to the opposite a gap.

[Pat McAfee]

Boom.

[Darius Butler]

He climbs. Look at KO Keefe climb. This is beautiful. And then we get a nice block by Art and at the second level on James and we get out the gate. They have been fantastic.

[Pat McAfee]

How about the Bucks?

[Darius Butler]

They've been fantastic. Irving too. Bucky Irving's been fantastic. He's really set this running game on fire. They got three really capable backs. They got one of the better offensive lines in football. Top five in almost every rushing category. They are a team you do not want to see come playoff time.

[Pat McAfee]

You said the packers are going to win the Super Bowl. I mentioned yesterday. What if the Bucks win? I guess a lot of people from Bucs fandom told me their defense isn't good enough. They said the defense hasn't been good enough this year.

[Darius Butler]

They haven't.

[Pat McAfee]

They're.

[Darius Butler]

They're lacking a couple edge guys. They're act. They're lacking a little bit on the inside, interior wise. Obviously Vita's fantastic, but other than him, they don't. They're not real stout, so they're giving up some inside runs. They've lost Antoine Winfield a couple times to injury this year. Yeah. So they. They do have some issues on defense. And then what does he do whenever he has issues on defense? He blitzes. And you can get burned when you blitz.

[Pat McAfee]

Especially if the quarterback has hots and reads anything like that. But still can beat anybody. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

That would be the first round matchup right now. Would be Bucks, Packers.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, gonna be a good one. Speaking of good one, that's Another good one. Ladies and gentlemen, in trenches. Thank you.

[Darius Butler]

Appreciate that. Thank you.

[Pat McAfee]

Top five. Congrats to the Bucks. We're turning back. And Falcons, Packers, Arizona, in Buffalo, your offensive lines are leading the way. You should be incredibly pumped and impressed by what they're doing. Thank you, iq. You're the man.

[Darius Butler]

Thank you, guys.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, Akush. Yesterday, Darius J. Butler chose the easiest. That two days ago.

[Darius Butler]

Second.

[AQ Shipley]

Yes.

[Darius Butler]

I watched it. He threw it through.

[Pat McAfee]

What do you think the easiest is? Drained it.

[AQ Shipley]

We know these.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah, yeah. What he's talking about Anthony Richardson walking all the way over to the net. Just.

[Darius Butler]

Which is. If we're ranking them, you know, that.

[Pat McAfee]

Wouldn'T be the easiest. Yeah, yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

Mine would be second easiest by far. Did anybody else try that throw yet?

[Pat McAfee]

Diggs did.

[AQ Shipley]

How many times did he make it?

[Pat McAfee]

One of four, maybe. It's not bad.

[AQ Shipley]

Look, athlete, you got to win the games you're supposed to win.

[Pat McAfee]

That's right. You got to show up and play. You know, that's what college football story was this year. Like, hey, yeah, you can get beat by anybody at any time. Can your boys show up and win every single week when they're supposed to? Now. Now you get conversations with a little bit of a Southern draw. And they say it's a lot easier to show up every single week when you don't have fucking Ole Miss. Next weekend in Tennessee, this weekend in Georgia. Two weeks from now in fucking Texas. On the other side of it, it's certainly a lot easier to show up every single fucking week. But nonetheless, anybody can beat anybody. You got to show up.

[AQ Shipley]

Damn right.

[Pat McAfee]

And you did.

[Darius Butler]

Yesterday would be crazy if AQ couldn't make it in the badminton dawned.

[Pat McAfee]

It's Jasmine. It's a different game that Talk found on the Internet. Sorry, Reels found on the Internet over there until Tick Tock is officially going to be something that exists in the future in the United States of America. Reels isn't bad.

[Darius Butler]

I like rules.

[Pat McAfee]

Reals isn't bad. Oh, he doesn't like it.

[AQ Shipley]

I mean, he don't hate to say he's top.

[Pat McAfee]

That's because we've known him as talk. This is like whenever they went from Washington football team. No. To Washington football.

[AQ Shipley]

Oh, yeah. And he still don't hate to say.

[Pat McAfee]

What does it.

[AQ Shipley]

The name.

[Pat McAfee]

What would you like them to be named?

[AQ Shipley]

It's not my decision. Not my. I got a lot of teams that ain't one of them.

[Pat McAfee]

Thank God. They look like they're good, though. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Not one of your teams yet.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. That's right. It might become a team.

[AQ Shipley]

I do like Jaden.

[Pat McAfee]

What team you going to drop to pick them up? Who's on the chopping block from your fandom? He's.

[Darius Butler]

I don't know. He's got 42 teams.

[AQ Shipley]

Nobody.

[Darius Butler]

I think there's one team.

[Pat McAfee]

What's that?

[AQ Shipley]

No team. Teams on the chopping block for me. Dolphins. I'm a lifer. Colts. That's my football. Home forever.

[Darius Butler]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[AQ Shipley]

Jalen hurts. I expect to be playing for a long time. Fan of him. Justin Herbert, same thing.

[Pat McAfee]

So what about Jaden? You don't like Jaden? You're not a fan?

[AQ Shipley]

I mean, I can't drop. Can't drop out of this.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I mean you got five though.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, well, you got 14, so I'll just grab a fifth, make a handful. Fours.

[AQ Shipley]

Four is enough.

[Pat McAfee]

All right. Aq, you're not a fan of any team. You bury anybody.

[Darius Butler]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

That's why we appreciate what you do do. Are you going to throw a football through the jazz mitten square over there? Sure. How do you feel about. Are you confident? Cuz we were mocking Darius?

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, you better get it for.

[Pat McAfee]

For it being too easy. And then he stepped up and threw a rope right through there. A, do you think A has a chance of bearing his first try just like Darius Butler did yesterday? Yeah, I think AQ definitely makes this thing. First try Boston. Connor, your thoughts on AQ here. Might need your readers though. No, it's big enough. You know, he would need a readers if it was a difficult. This one is already. This is like. This is like one of them. I mean those holes though. What's that? Still not a guarantee. I mean that's. What is that, 20 yards maybe? Yeah, probably 22 yards.

[Darius Butler]

It must look different through the screen then, huh?

[Pat McAfee]

It does look.

[Darius Butler]

It looks.

[Pat McAfee]

It looks difficult from here.

[Darius Butler]

It's not my turn.

[Pat McAfee]

Aq, all you got to do is put that football through the jazz mittenhole hole over there. Sports stinks, but the net is fun, especially whenever it comes to giveaways. 30 people will win $500 in the middle of this holiday season. If you can do that. Feel good.

[Darius Butler]

Y.

[AQ Shipley]

Uhoh.

[Darius Butler]

Good ball. Uhoh.

[Pat McAfee]

Good throw.

[Darius Butler]

Throw is online.

[Pat McAfee]

That was on it.

[Darius Butler]

This guy can't even get it through the jazz debut.

[Pat McAfee]

What a throw by debut, I suppose. 30 people people. 500.

[Darius Butler]

Oh no. Over two.

[Pat McAfee]

It's a James Franklin bird.

[Darius Butler]

He didn't just miss one.

[Pat McAfee]

Thunder Birds. Thunder Birds. Thunder Birds for 30 people to win 500 bucks. Get back to the society. All you gotta do is put that football through that jasmine hole over there for the good of the people. 15 grand out the door. Beautiful. 30 people, $500 because AQ can spin it. All you gotta do is repost this video, say something nice to somebody, and put the easiest way to pay you digitally. And we'll get those out in orderly fashion. It's not gonna happen today or tomorrow, but it will happen within the next week. You know, we gotta got a lot of giveaways, a lot of transactions, a lot of money out. A lot of these platforms go like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What's going on? And Phil has to battle through sending them out. He will certainly get to you, especially in the middle of this holiday season. But you could win. You could be one of the 30 because AQ Shipley had a crazy butts. Phenomenal work this week, buddy.

[AQ Shipley]

YouTube, brother.

[Pat McAfee]

See you on Saturday night.

[AQ Shipley]

Yes. Sweet Jays too.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, don't be gummy. These are sickening. Yeah, these are really nice.

[AQ Shipley]

Like those.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, these are very, very nice. They feel so. They're so comfortable too. Thank you for these gumps.

[J.J. Watt]

Appreciate you. Hell yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Talk to the table. Great work today. You too, aj. Really good stuff. Yep. Thank you. Everybody in the back. Really good work. But could you guys sense it in here in the Thunderdome today? Could you sense a celebrational feel a little bit?

[Darius Butler]

Oh, yeah, yeah, sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Couldn't you kind of say yeah, Yeah, I could. And that's because this is not just a regular ass Wednesday. There's 365 days in a year. I guess 366 in a leap year, which I guess we're in the middle of right now. But there's only one day that is dedicated to being Ty Schmidt's birthday. Happy birthday, Ty.

[Darius Butler]

Thank you, guys.

[J.J. Watt]

Happy birthday, Ty.

[Pat McAfee]

Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday. Happy birthday, dear. Oh, that's a bucket. Happy birthday to. Good work, mate.

[J.J. Watt]

You.

[Pat McAfee]

There you go. Happy birthday, Todd. Good bundt cake. Nothing but cake. That's gonna be delightful. Delightful. How old are you?

[Darius Butler]

34.

[Pat McAfee]

Hell yeah. We appreciate the hell out of you. It was a great year. We can't wait to see what this next year brings. And you're the man, buddy. Happy birthday.

[Darius Butler]

Thank you. Appreciate you guys.

[Pat McAfee]

Very close to Christmas.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, yeah. I was, I believe, due to be born on Christmas.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, came a little early. So you can get gifts twice if it was a couple days later. I think you get lumped into one gift from people for Christmas and birthday.

[Darius Butler]

Maybe, but also you know, I mean, you. You're getting gifts at the end of the year and then you're not getting shot the rest of the year. So growing up, that was kind of always the bummer.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. But it was a hell of a week. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Pretty good week.

[Pat McAfee]

We want to let you know you give us a hell of a life with your wit, hilarity and the way you operate.

[Darius Butler]

Appreciate you guys.

[Pat McAfee]

And I'm happy you weren't the one saying you were taking 50 to 75 wipes because everybody thought that would be you.

[Darius Butler]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Pat McAfee]

You're not a psycho.

[Darius Butler]

No. You kidding me?

[Pat McAfee]

Happy birthday to you. Non psycho.

[Darius Butler]

Absolutely. That's why you're using the dude wipes. Because you, you know, you. Now, granted, you're loading those up. You're. No, I'm saying like those things are doused in poop when you're done, but you're only doing a couple of them.

[Pat McAfee]

Happy birthday.

[Darius Butler]

Thank you.

[Pat McAfee]

How long should we make him hold that cake like that on his birthday?

[Darius Butler]

We should do that. Standing ovation.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Right here, Ty. Right?

[Darius Butler]

Year Ty.

[Pat McAfee]

Happy birthday, Ty.

[Darius Butler]

Appreciate ton.

[Pat McAfee]

Why don't you come on out here and help us clap for Ty. You know, going down all the way from Hammer D. Time to celebrate. Utah came early too. Stand up, AJ For Ty. It's his birthday.

[Darius Butler]

All this.

[Pat McAfee]

This is Jason Glazer. God damn it. Plugged in.

[Darius Butler]

Lean over and stand up.

[Pat McAfee]

This is Mel Typer. Gotta lift this thing with me. Built this rain in here. Can't skip it in hell yeah. Playing beer pong out there. Middle finger, not to the camera. That was to Bill.

[Darius Butler]

Yep, that was Bill.

[Pat McAfee]

All right. Happy birthday, man.

[Darius Butler]

Thank you. Appreciate it.

[Pat McAfee]

Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change your life. We're gonna sing together. Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three. Team goodbye.

[J.J. Watt]

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[Pat McAfee]

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[J.J. Watt]

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[Pat McAfee]

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[Pat McAfee]

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