PMS 2.0 1273 - The Trenchys With AQ Shipley, Everything DB Year End Awards With Darius Butler, JJ Watt, & AJ Hawk

Summary

Summary of The Pat McAfee Show - Episode PMS 2.0 1273

Release Date: January 8, 2025
Hosts: Pat McAfee, AJ Hawk, Darius Butler, and guests
Guests: AQ Shipley, Darius Butler, JJ Watt, AJ Hawk, Ty Schmidt, Boston Connor, Hammer Don, Michael Cole

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Introduction

In this episode of The Pat McAfee Show, host Pat McAfee, along with his co-hosts AJ Hawk, Darius Butler, and other guests, delve into the excitement of NFL award season. They introduce "The Trenchies" awards to honor the top-performing offensive lines of the season and announce the All-Everything DB Team, recognizing outstanding defensive backs. The episode also covers significant NFL coaching changes and previews upcoming college football playoff games.

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The Trenchies Awards

Overview:
Pat McAfee kicks off the episode by introducing "The Trenchies," awards dedicated to recognizing excellence in the offensive trenches. AQ Shipley, a former NFL punter and Super Bowl champion, joins the show to present these awards.

Best Guard Award:

• Recipient: Trey Smith, Kansas City Chiefs
• Notable Quote:
  "Trey Smith is an absolute dog... he puts his ass on the ground. That's the best you are going to see." – AQ Shipley [00:57]

Best Center Award:

• Recipient: Frank Ragnow, Detroit Lions
• Notable Quote:
  "Frank Ragnow is an incredible... perfect pro center." – AQ Shipley [01:22]

Best Tackle Award:

• Recipient: Lane Johnson, Philadelphia Eagles
• Notable Quote:
  "Lane had an incredible year... he is head and shoulders above everybody." – AQ Shipley [01:37]

Top Five Offensive Lines of the Season:

1. Philadelphia Eagles
2. Detroit Lions
3. Baltimore Ravens
4. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
5. Buffalo Bills

Notable Commentary:

• "All five of these teams are playoff teams because their offensive line makes this unit go." – AQ Shipley [01:22]
• "Congratulate everyone, especially our award winners who know the trenches mean so much to their success." – Pat McAfee [Final awards section]

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All-Everything DB Team

Overview:
Darius Butler takes the lead in announcing the All-Everything DB Team, highlighting five exceptional defensive backs from the NFL.

Safeties:

1. Kirby Joseph, Detroit Lions
   • Notable Quote:
     "Kirby Joseph led the NFL in interceptions with nine." – Darius Butler [02:00]
2. Derwin James, Baltimore Ravens
   • Notable Quote:
     "Derwin James is the best corner in the NFL... impactful on all three levels." – Darius Butler [02:20]

Corners:
3. Derek Stingley Jr.

• Notable Quote:
  "Derek Stingley Jr. can follow the number one receivers and make plays regardless." – Darius Butler [02:40]

4. Patrick Surtan II, Baltimore Ravens
   • Notable Quote:
     "Patrick Surtan II is a Pro Bowler and covers everything he's thrown." – Darius Butler [02:50]

Nickel Back:
5. Marlon Humphrey, Baltimore Ravens

• Notable Quote:
  "Marlon Humphrey outpaces three. Defensive play is crucial." – Darius Butler [03:00]

Notable Commentary:

• "Only five can win and I'm proud of these guys." – Darius Butler [00:52]
• "These five guys did the hard work and deserve the accolades." – Darius Butler [02:56]

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NFL Coaching Changes

Mike McCarthy and Dallas Cowboys:
Mike McCarthy finds himself in an exclusive negotiating window with the Dallas Cowboys, preventing him from interviewing with other teams like the Chicago Bears.

• Notable Quote:
  "This is typical Dallas. Jerry's way of handling contracts is classic with no flexibility." – AQ Shipley [09:14]

Potential Head Coach Hires:

• Pete Carroll, potentially Chicago Bears
  • Notable Quote:
    "Pete Carroll deserves another shot. He brings culture and competitive nature." – Pat McAfee [05:17]
• Mike Vrabel, potentially New England Patriots
  • Notable Quote:
    "Most think Mike Vrabel is heading to New England, which makes a lot of sense." – Pat McAfee [05:24]

Bill Belichick's North Carolina Appointment:
Multiple NFL teams express interest in Bill Belichick, who is currently the head coach at North Carolina. His unique contract includes a high buyout if he leaves for an NFL position.

• Notable Quote:
  "Belichick's Philosophy is opening doors, but it's being misused." – Darius Butler [14:24]

Guest Insights:

• AQ Shipley:
  "Jerry Jones is having a tough time deciding to keep McCarthy." [09:18]
  "Dallas is typical, Jerry's way of handling contracts is classic with no flexibility." [09:14]

• Darius Butler:
  "The drafting and right hiring in coaching affect team structures." [15:39]

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College Football Playoffs

Matchup Highlights:

• Penn State vs Notre Dame:
  Penn State is highlighted as having the best offensive line they've had in years, coupled with a strong running game. Notre Dame's defense has significantly improved, now one of the top in the country.

  • Notable Quote:
    "We have the best offensive line we've had in a while." – AQ Shipley [60:25]
    "Notre Dame's defense is now like number two in the country." – Pat McAfee [63:18]

Guest Insights:

• AQ Shipley:
  "This Penn State team feels real... all in." [60:25]

• AJ Hawk:
  "Appreciate AQ for letting us know the trenches can determine playoff outcomes." [153:55]

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All-Everything DB Team Announcement

Team Members:

1. Kirby Joseph, Detroit Lions
2. Derwin James, Baltimore Ravens
3. Patrick Surtan II, Baltimore Ravens
4. Derek Stingley Jr.
5. Marlon Humphrey, Baltimore Ravens

Notable Commentary:

• Darius Butler:
  "All these guys love ball and have been playing at a high level." [Various timestamps]

• AJ Hawk:
  "Appreciate AQ. AQ is doing a service to football fans, letting us know that trenches determine playoff outcomes." [153:55]

• Pat McAfee:
  "Congratulations to all these guys. They know the trenches and DB play crucial roles in their teams' successes." [Various timestamps]

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Conclusion

Pat McAfee wraps up the episode by congratulating the award winners and emphasizing the critical roles of offensive lines and defensive backs in football. He previews upcoming events, including live coverage from college football playoffs and continuing award presentations. The episode closes with light-hearted banter and preparations for future segments.

Final Remarks:

• "Congrats to Trey Smith, Frank Ragnow, Lane Johnson, and all award winners. Your hard work in the trenches and the secondary has been exemplary." – Pat McAfee
• The team looks forward to live coverage from Miami for the college football semifinals and anticipates exciting playoff action across both the NFL and college football.

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This summary encapsulates the main discussions, award announcements, coaching changes, and college playoff previews from the episode, enriched with notable quotes and structured for clarity and engagement.

Transcript

[Pat McAfee]

Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our humble abode, the ThunderDome on this WAG Wednesday, January 8, 2025. This program starts now. Football is wonderful and today we're going to be giving out some awards. Yes, it is award season here at the program and there will be two different styles of awards given out. First, there will be the trenchies, the award for the big guys who have dominated all season. We'll have the top five offensive lines from the season. And then we'll have the best tack, best guard and best center. In the eyes of a man who played in the NFL for 12 NFL seasons, he was a coach. He's a Super bowl champion. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us, Penn State man AQ Shipley.

[AQ Shipley]

So good to be back.

[Pat McAfee]

I know. Yeah, we've missed you the last couple of weeks. Being serious when I say that. Normally we would be talking shit to somebody whenever we say, well, it's been a real shame not seeing the last two weeks. It has been. We have missed your presence, but this is a big one for you. You're giving out an award. I know you've received awards in the past at Remington and many other super bowl trop, but the trenches are a big deal. You took your time. You looked into this. We want to reward the fatsos that are doing the best. Ain't that accurate?

[AQ Shipley]

The offensive line is the workhorse of the entire team and I can't wait to show the best tackle, best guard, best center.

[Pat McAfee]

I think this year it has become more of a conversation about the Trenches being the determiner on who wins and who loses. And if you were to watch the inside the Trenches segment each week and the top five performing offensive lines, I think you'd be able to tell who was going to be in the playoffs. The game is one in the trenches and we'll be giving out trenches today. And I know offensive linemen don't love that necessarily.

[AQ Shipley]

No, they don't want to. They do not want. They want to live in anonymity. Is that the word?

[Pat McAfee]

Is that no anonymity. You were close there. Sounded like me trying to pronounce some of the names on Monday night. That's right. That's what that sounded like. But anonymity is what offensive linemen are looking for. But showing them some love, giving them some love is not a bad thing, especially in 2025. And then we have the all everything DB being presented by the one, the only Darius J. Butler D. Bucks. It's a big deal. We got two safeties, one nickel, two corners that are gonna Be on the all everything DB team. How'd you go about putting this team together?

[Darius Butler]

I've been watching tape all year. Obviously grinding the tape. You've been doing everything DB every week. And DB is one of those positions where it's hard to just. You can't just look up stats and say, oh, this guy got 120 tackles or six picks or whatever and say, hey, that's the best guy to position. So just like the old line, you can't just look up, you know, stats and pick out guys. So, you know, it's. It's always guys that's worthy right at that cut off lines, but had to get.

[Pat McAfee]

You think there's going to be some drama. There's only a first team all everything. There's not a second team. There's not a third team. There's only five winners on everything TV team. And there's a lot of guys out there that had great season. This was D. BU only 5. Only 5 can win.

[Darius Butler]

Nope. Nope. Participation trophies. Not like Daniel was talking yesterday. How about everybody just gets the A trophy? No, it's tough to make it. These five guys, I think. I think we'll all agree on at least four of these five.

[Pat McAfee]

Son of a bitch. Can't wait to roll those out. I will have an early indicator I don't think you're going to be thrilled with. No. The people that were decided that's the toxic table at Boston. Conor at Ty Schmidt. Con man. Sweet beanie, pal.

[Boston Connor]

Hell yeah. Yeah, it's Moss. Cancer came in yesterday. Awesome little beanie here. Also great merch. Got the hood and everything. Randy Moss, one of the greatest New England Patriots of all time. I think we all kind of realized that Tom Brady came back, got his number, retired, got that massive standing O from all New England, was crying on the stage. Definitely tease and peace to him. Shout out Randy Moss.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we love Randy Moss.

[Darius Butler]

Love you, Rick.

[Pat McAfee]

Massive fan of Randy Moss, all of us. Obviously, I don't think I've ever got a chance to fully interact with him. Maybe down at LSU when his kid was playing and they were in the championship, I got a chance to dap him up and tell him how much like, hey, everything you've done in sports world has inspired me so much. Massive fan, West Virginia dude. Obviously in high school, him and White Chocolate. Yeah. Just could you imagine showing up in West Virginia to a high school game and you're just like, you got drive through the hills of West Virginia, get there hour and 45 minutes to get to their game. You come In Jim is completely rocking. And who's warming up on the other side? White Chocolate and Randy Moss. Okay, this is going to be a good night. Yeah, they're throwing it off the backboard to each other. And then Randy would obviously go on to crush it. Marshall, go to the NFL, break all the records. You see that insane stat line from when he was at the Vikings? Three catches, 180 yards, three touchdowns. It's like that is what that dude was capable of doing every single single game, no matter what level he was playing, no matter what sport he was playing. So what he's going through now, we assume he'll dominate. But you know that we're on your side, Randy. We're all on team Moss, brother. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Hell yeah, he's the best. I mean, actually, he was only in New England for, I think, four or five years, and he was one of those guys that you always look back to, to the dynasty and everything. You can throw Logan Mangan's in there, too. Like, damn. Really wish we won a Super bowl so Randy Moss could have a Super Bowl.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I heard him during the roast to Tom Brady say, hey, how come we weren't cheating when I was here? Yeah, well, they were cheating. Any team that had you, Randy, was ch. Because there was no one else like you. I mean, you're talking about this before this was even started. Anytime you can call something mo and change the name and the vernacular of a sport forever, you're obviously a legend. We love Randy, and I assume he's going to beat the out of this and raise a lot of money and attention for it. So shout out to Randy. We can't wait to see you back on TV doing whatever the hell you want to do. I wonder if he's already back.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, I'm sure he is. That's good therapy.

[Pat McAfee]

I assume he's just pulling them.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, yeah, Ripping lips.

[Pat McAfee]

So many. Yeah. Holding them up. Hey, I'm going through it, but not as much as this fish. Got him and Ty Schmidt over there at the toxic table. What are you doing, brother?

[Ty Schmidt]

Well, you know, it's been a long morning, so I. I figured I'd just crack open an ice cold real American beer.

[Pat McAfee]

Wow. Okay.

[Ty Schmidt]

Compliments of D Bone. Who? And obviously the Hulkster. But D Bone said, you know what? These guys need to try it. So he drove, I think, like, five hours round trip last night to Ohio to buy a real American beer. And. Oh, yeah, that's the good stuff. Yeah, you got to be a real American to enjoy that. We are all real Americans here. So shout out, debone and shout out the Hulkster. This is ice cold, refreshing pilsner. I mean, you just. I might have found my new light beer choice.

[Pat McAfee]

That's because you're a real American, brother. Yeah, exactly. All right, keep it going.

[Ty Schmidt]

It's only gonna stay cold for so long.

[Pat McAfee]

I was a reaction last night from friends and family about the press conference of the Hulk studio. Pretty.

[Ty Schmidt]

Pretty good for the most part, you know, I think. You know, obviously, when. When something like that happens, you know, there's gonna be certain people who are upset with it, certain people who, you know, don't agree with the Hulkster, certain people who want. Who are all on the Hulkster side. I'd say, all in all, it was. It was a pretty. It was a pretty good night.

[Pat McAfee]

You piss off everybody. Well, there's people mad from all parties. That's how we knew we do it right.

[Ty Schmidt]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

That's how we knew we did it right in that entire thing. That situation was just ripe for the picking. It was for what took place there. And I'm happy you're enjoying a nice, real American beer because the performance yesterday with the Hulkster was certainly worthy. I mean, don't make that thing disappear, pal. It's only 1207. Got a few hours left.

[Ty Schmidt]

I mean, every sip is more delicious than the previous one. So it's kind of hard not to just.

[Pat McAfee]

I am a real American. It was loud on Monday. Monday was electrifying. All right, let's talk some sports here. Let's talk some football. Mike McCarthy was requested to do an interview with the Chicago Bears. And Dallas Cowboys said, nah, you can't. They denied the request from the Chicago Bears to interview the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys, whose contract expires today. Now until the 14th. There has been a negotiated into this particular contract, a negotiation window for the Dallas Cowboys to either extend or give a new contract to Mike McCarthy before he can talk to anybody else. And if you ever listen to Jerry, he's always like, he could do the contract. We did a contract. We negotiated a contract. So normally this particular window is before the contract expires. There's normally a negotiating window that's kind of put in place, for instance, all the contracts that we sign with anybody. There's like a. A period that happens before the contract extends, that the can extend your contract, get a new contract before anybody else can talk to you anywhere else. Do you like what we're doing? We like what you're doing. You could stay. Now, that window has been talked about I think Stephen A. Had that window he was talking about with espn. This has been a part of all businesses. The fact that it happens after his contract expires, very fascinating. That's a very interesting thing that I didn't know took place. I also didn't know it happened with coaches. But I think this is an indicator, especially with them turning down the Chicago Bears, that maybe they. They are going to keep old big Mike McCarthy around. AQ, Shipley, Yinzer. Mike McCarthy obviously has had a lot of wins with Dallas Cowboys this past season. Obviously, Dak gets hurt, things start going a different way. They don't make the playoffs. They're on primetime every week. Jerry Jones got to answer questions with phones so close to his mouth after every single game. How do you feel about this situation? What do you think the message sends about Jerry Jones keeping this negotiating window exclusive like he has? And what do you think about them turning down the Bears? Does this mean Mike McCarthy is going to be wearing a star for at least four or five more years?

[AQ Shipley]

You never know with.

[AJ Hawk]

With.

[AQ Shipley]

With old Jerry down there. Because, listen, this is.

[Pat McAfee]

This is typically a thespian.

[AQ Shipley]

This is typical Jerry. This is typical Dallas. This is the way that they operate. I mean, they should have made a bunch of moves last offseason. They didn't. They keep Mike McCarthy. Obviously, things go south when Dak gets hurt. But listen, if you're going to rehire him, rehire the guy. Like, make a move, make a move. Right now.

[Pat McAfee]

You got to remember, whenever Jason Garrett was up and everybody thought he was going to get fired, that lingered for a few weeks, and then messages started coming out from the team, you know, through sources and yada, yada. Jason Garrett's viewed as like a son in his family. So Jerry's having a tough time making a decision whether or not he wants to run it back with old Jason Garrett, old Clappy Smiley, or if he wants to get rid of him. Is it the same thing with Mike McCarthy? Jerry Jones has had so many real American beers alongside Mike McCarthy. They're in love with each other. What do you think it is?

[Darius Butler]

It seems like it. And I feel like midpoint in the season, we all kind of saw like, oh, yeah, Mike, he's going to be out of there. Is it going to be Bill? Is it going to be this guy? Is it going to be that guy? But I feel like, at least as a player, former player from the outside looking in, the boys rallied around Mike like they. They still played for him. Guys came back from injury, obviously. I think CeeDee ended up missing the last game, but he was playing through his shoulder. Micah came back from his injury. He played well. So like the boys of the unit. And then publicly, they spoke out and said Dak came out. Micah, you know, the pillars kind of in that locker room and backed him. And I think Jerry was talking late in the season and said some things very glowingly about Mike. Now, we know that can be said on one day and then get fired on the following Monday. But I think he ends up sticking around because of how they finish, because of how the team. And like you mentioned, they won a bunch of games. And then what's the alternative? Who. Who's out there? Who are you going to hire that's better than Mike McCarthy at this point in the game?

[Pat McAfee]

Pat Hamilton, definitely great candidate.

[Ty Schmidt]

He might be spoken for.

[Pat McAfee]

What do you mean?

[Ty Schmidt]

New England hired him.

[Pat McAfee]

New England hired him.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, excuse me. Excuse me. I'm just saying there's a good chance they do hire him. We don't know. Everyone's, you know, making about it, saying, hey, they bring in Byron Leftwich, they bring in Pep Hamilton. They're just checking boxes for the Rooney rule. We know Pep Hamilton's not gonna get hired tomorrow.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, I. Yes, I'm pretty certain Pep Hamilton's not gonna get hired because of something that I saw. He did a top five under 25 quarterbacks, and there's a lot of great names on there. None of them are Drake May, but Drake May's backup, Joe Milton, who we saw boys players, so I'm not. I know Pep. We know Pep because he was with the Indianapolis Colts, obviously out of Stanford. He comes over the Colts with Andrew Luck. I love Pep Hamilton. I enjoy Pep Hamilton. I think he was with the D.C. united, D.C. defenders. Okay.

[Boston Connor]

Good squad.

[Pat McAfee]

Great squad. Beer, Beer Snakes.

[Boston Connor]

Best offense in the league.

[Pat McAfee]

Beer Snakes over there. They used to fill that place up. I like Pep. Then I'm interviewing Byron Leftwich. Remember, he was hot to trot coming out of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He was going to be a head coach somewhere. Very quickly, that kind of cooled off. He's getting interviews up there with Robert Kraft. Now people are saying, oh, Kraft's making a mockery out of the Rooney rule. Boston Conner, Patriots fan. How do you feel about all the names that they're interviewing? It feels like they're casting a much wider net than anybody would have thought.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, I love it. Offensive guys, you know, dudes who could come in and work with Drake May. I mean, granted. Or Joe Milton. If you're Pep Hamilton in this case. And maybe, you know, Pep's list has changed after seeing what Drake May can do. But, I mean, I think this is just kind of part of what they have to do, you know, and that's a great list. You know, no Jaden Daniels or Bo Mix, but. But still a great list.

[Pat McAfee]

But Trevor Lawrence and Joe Milton above Drake May.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, someone photoshopped this thing. There's no way.

[Boston Connor]

I believe it was before the season.

[Pat McAfee]

And I didn't get a chance to see Drake.

[Boston Connor]

I don't think it was before. I think it was before the season rather, just because the reactions in the room. It looks like the. The other two dudes do not agree per se, but when it comes to the hands.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, I got nothing to do with this shit.

[Boston Connor]

No, not me.

[Pat McAfee]

This is. This guy. This guy was the head coach of D.C. niners. D.C. defenders over there. It's on him. He's been around a long. What's your problem, aq? What is your problem?

[AQ Shipley]

I think Pep commented on this after the game and he was like, pumped. I got to see my guy. Joe Milt. I'm pretty sure this was retweeted.

[Pat McAfee]

So obviously getting an interview is a big deal for a head coaching job. Yeah. But it has been assumed for almost a couple of weeks now that if Gerard Mayo gets fired, Mike Vrabel is going to be the head coach. Vrabel is getting a head coach interview on Thursday is what's being reported. I believe by Rap Sheet reported that. So what are your expectations on how this whole thing goes?

[Boston Connor]

My expectations that Mike Vrabel announced as the head coach of the New England Patriots.

[Pat McAfee]

Scott didn't even give Pep and Byron left, which a shot. No, I did.

[Darius Butler]

We know, we know. I think we all know it's going to be Mike Vrabel. And unfortunately, this is the song and dance they have to do. This is a part of Rooney rule now. The Rooney rule, in theory. And shout out to the Rooney. Shout out, you know, a lot. We got a bunch of Steelers fans and shout out to Rooney. It was definitely needed to have to get black coaches more opportunities, more real opportunities, more. And to get even to the interview process where you have a chance to get hired. So in theory, or as Green would say, maybe in a vacuum, that was a good idea. But outside of it, you know, the Patriots, they probably have their candidate they want. They know they have to hire. They have to go through this process. And I'm sure this happens at other places as well. And maybe somebody does blow their socks off during the interview. Process. But like.

[Pat McAfee]

Like, maybe they died. A vacuum. Alluded to. Like a vacuum.

[Darius Butler]

And these are, you know, good coaches. Like you mentioned, we spent time with Pep. Pep has been around for a long time. Byron Levich. I haven't spent time with him, you know, in the building as a coach. I think AQ did, so I can't really speak on him on Byron, but, you know, it is kind of.

[Pat McAfee]

What else was the other. They did like a happy hour. Remember they were doing happy hours down at the owner's meeting.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

Where. Because they say a lot of these owners hire people that they know or people that are in the building know.

[Darius Butler]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

And they maybe don't have friendships or relationships outside of their race, which was a real conversation that was taking place, which I think happens in the real world, too. And everybody. Nobody really wants to bring it up. Everybody wants to be unified, but not a lot of people have this to learn about everything. So I think that was happening with the NFL and ownership. So they're having, like, these happy hours and cocktail hours down at the meetings. They instituted the Rooney Rule. I think there was a real effort. But now whenever something like this happens and everybody knows.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah. You go make a mockery of it. That's just what it is. And that's the biggest part of it, people. And like you mentioned, it happens in business. It happens in any Fortune 500 companies. Like, you tend to hire people you're more comfortable with in your circle you have a beer with. You know, I had a GM tell me years ago that that's basically what it comes down to. Who's the guy you'd rather have a beer with if all things are equal?

[Pat McAfee]

But a real American beer.

[Darius Butler]

I haven't tried. I don't think I'll try. I don't think I'll try. You won't I? Well, I am still playing a game. I put the Hawks through about seven tables last night, but.

[Pat McAfee]

But yeah, it does come down who you were playing.

[Darius Butler]

Of course, I only play as me. You kidding me? As I said, WWE 2K24, now 2K25 coming out, maybe with hopefully on the. Hopefully. What are we talking about?

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know if that was ever official. There was just, like a lot of alluding to on the COVID But, yeah, January 27th. Okay. But that's what it said it three times. January 27th, 27th January. And then closes the door, 2K25 up there. And everybody goes, whoa. So if our tribal chief is up there, I think that's gonna be an exciting time. But this whole hiring process is getting interesting.

[Darius Butler]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

Because we're talking about a lot of culture people getting in there. Pete Carroll is going to be interviewing for the Chicago Bears job. I love this. Especially after Pete Carroll kind of got his ass kicked out of Seattle. Now what does Seattle going to do? They fired their offense coordinator, Grub, who was with Kaylin DeBoer at the University of Washington. So let's assume Grubb goes to the University of Alabama with DeBoer. Deb Moore's gonna be pumped about that, I do believe, because they obviously had massive success together. The Seahawks are gonna have to do what they're gonna have to do to build this next era, this next culture. Who's our quarterback? But Pete Carroll's looking for his next chapter as well. Chicago Bears could be a great place for him. I mean, if you think about what Pete Carroll is Now, he is 74.

[Darius Butler]

Two or three, something like that.

[Pat McAfee]

He's up there.

[Darius Butler]

He's up there in his 70s.

[Pat McAfee]

He is old, but everybody says about him now he's like a 50 year old, 40 year old. He's 73 years old, chewing the gum, high energy and the building. It's high energy. That feels like something that could be good for the Chicago Bears team. Feels like something that Caleb Williams embrace and enjoy. And it feels like that culture could become one that believes in winning. Because every day is about competing, every day is about having fun. If we know anything about Pete Carroll, you get to work here, you don't have to work here. So that vibe can certainly bring success and it has had success before. They need a fucking offensive line though, right? Ain't that kind of what everybody's talking about with that make use?

[AQ Shipley]

They need everything. It starts with the offensive line, but they need a lot more than just the offensive line. Pete Carroll would be a great starting point. He brings culture, he brings competitive nature, he brings energy, brings excitement, he brings fun. A lot of things that they probably didn't experience this year. Right. But they do need to get better along the offensive line.

[Pat McAfee]

I have a question for you. Can any offensive line become a good offensive line?

[AQ Shipley]

You need to play well together. I've been on teams like for instance.

[Pat McAfee]

For instance.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

So everybody said that everybody knew the offensive line was going to be a problem going into this year. You know, we had weapons, we bring in Keenan Allen, we got to do more. We had everybody that we need there. But everybody said the offensive line, Kenny off line. And then when it plays bad, everybody's like, this guy plays Bad. Now, there's a lot of plays where Caleb Williams potentially made the offensive line look bad. But isn't it true? Just from somebody that has watched the ball, you don't know if an offensive line is going to be great or not, Right? Any offensive line can be great. Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

Any offensive line.

[Pat McAfee]

Size and ability.

[AQ Shipley]

Size and ability. You got to be able to play well with each other and scheme and fit. I talk about this all the time, right? Like, scheme and fit is everything. So you can take five unbelievable offensive linemen, put them in a shitty scheme or a scheme that that doesn't necessarily fit those five guys or even three of those five guys, and you're going to have bad offensive line play. But if you take five guys who maybe aren't the most talented guys, they like to have beers with each other, they like to go to dinner with.

[Pat McAfee]

Smoke weed together, do all the things.

[AQ Shipley]

With each other, and they play better together than they are as individuals. Now you got a group and as long as they're in the right scheme and the right fit, the.

[Pat McAfee]

There are some o linemen that have some degenerateness in them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's some.

[AQ Shipley]

Who you looking at?

[Pat McAfee]

Well, he said shoot dice with. And it's like I was thinking to myself, offensive lineman. And then I immediately went to a dice circuit. I was like, oh, yeah, fatsos, get in there.

[AQ Shipley]

Oh, I got in there.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. That's the type of. By the way, that's the offensive lineman that I'm looking for. Yeah, I mean, that is certainly the type of group that you want. So can they take that same group from this past year with a new system, maybe new offensive line coach and become a good group? Or is it a you have to plug in place type situation?

[AQ Shipley]

Perfect example is the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

[Pat McAfee]

Right?

[AQ Shipley]

Tampa Bay Buccaneers for the last seven years based off scheme and fit. Five, Literally the same five offensive linemen. Bottom three rushing team last year. Top five rushing team this year. Same exact group.

[Pat McAfee]

How come?

[AQ Shipley]

Because you can take Liam Cohen, the offensive coordinator, goes down to Tampa, comes from the McVeigh world. Boom. Eye candy motion across motion. This guy into the backfield. Pull guards this way, this guy going that way. You got all this stuff to make it easier on the guys up front and it makes them play better as a unit.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, they said Waldron's offense was one that was very dynamic.

[Boston Connor]

Dynamic?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Guys couldn't understand, so they just ran four routes.

[Boston Connor]

Exotics on offense. It was too much.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. We're putting our hand in our dirt and we're either I'm blocking right in front of us, or we're pass setting and getting beat. That's all we're gonna do.

[AQ Shipley]

That's it.

[Pat McAfee]

I love those coaches that say, it ain't hard. Our guys got to beat their guys. And then there's other coaches that are like, well, you can help. You could certainly get into that one.

[AQ Shipley]

Where it's like, hey, listen, we're just going to go out there, we're going to play these guys. We're not going to do anything to help you guys. You're just going to block these five guys. It's Aaron, Donald Cross from.

[Darius Butler]

You go in, he puts on his pants just like you do.

[AQ Shipley]

Three sacks into the second quarter. It's like, God, can we get some help? We get some help here.

[Pat McAfee]

So new coaching can help that offensive lineup there in Chicago?

[AQ Shipley]

It can help.

[Pat McAfee]

Not as far away as it may be appeared on a lot of cases. And also Caleb can help out that offensive line, which I assume he will learn about this particular offseason.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, there's no question about it. He can help a lot. And literally he can get the ball out quicker. He can if he feels a little bit of pressure instead of leaking this way. And now you just fell into a sack. Now you just step up a little bit. Now you just saved everybody. You helped everybody.

[Pat McAfee]

They ran some clips about Bo Nix. I feel like that is a big rookie move because in college you can get outside the pocket and then you can cook. Now, granted, we're still seeing it with people. I mean, Lamar Jackson this year outside the pocket has had like four or five plays that are like, that looks like varsity player playing against JV people, and they weren't JV people. What he did to Deneal Hunter, where he was just like, up out on the sideline and it throws like, Daniel Hunter's an all pro. Lamar Jackson at a different level, but Lamar Jackson, and I assume he would say he had developed this, too, the first reaction is, I'm a better athlete than everybody. I can get out of here. But what NFL guys do that are great is they actually step up into the traffic, almost let that play develop a little bit more, and then get it the hell out. You might take a shot, though, at the end of that thing. But that's like the difference, I think, between like, novice new NFL quarterback and experienced veteran quarterback. And they're all going to have to go through it. And Caleb is certainly one of the guys that's going to have to do that. Yeah, there's no point Pete will help with that. I think Pete will help with that.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah. I mean, I mean, Pete's a veteran coach. He dealt with Russell. I'm sure Russell, if you go back to Russell's rookie year, I bet he did the same thing. I bet he was out here. And then as he got older, it was like, okay, let's get here and then let's step back up, let our tackles ride the guy by and make a play.

[Pat McAfee]

Love when they ride a guy. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Need to sometimes ride a guy by.

[Pat McAfee]

How about your trenchy award winning tackle? He ride a lot of guys by.

[AQ Shipley]

He wrote a lot of guys by just riding guys. Just riding guys.

[Boston Connor]

Chewing them out.

[Pat McAfee]

Speaking of chewing them out, Mark Davis walked into Antonio Pierce's office, office yesterday and said, well, you're fired. So that's two former players that are coaching for teams that have one and done type situation. The Las Vegas Raiders. Tom Brady is going to be a massive piece of the collaborative effort to find the new head coach. I'm excited to see what he brings, what questions he asks versus Tom Tesco. I saw somebody tweet me and say, Tom Telesco is trying to bring in Brandon Staley. I don't think that is the case.

[Darius Butler]

I doubt.

[Pat McAfee]

I do not. I saw somebody say the writings open. He's going to try to bring Brandon Staley back in just like they did the Chargers. I don't think Tom Tesco is going to do that. I don't think that is going to be the direction in which he's going to try to go. But if Tom Brady's a part of this, Mark Davis is part of this. How much does Tom Tesco actually say in who the head coach is and how much does Tom Brady have to say? Darius Butler.

[Darius Butler]

I mean, I would assume he would. I mean, you would have probably the biggest voice in it. And that's just an assumption if you're Mark Davis, obviously he has been around the business for a long, long time with his pocket pops. But, you know, you bring a guy like Tom Brady into the ownership group, you would assume he would have a big voice. Tom Telesco, he, he's got to be in it because this, the guy, he's gonna have, you know, be essentially married to with their head coach, whoever they bring in there. And the Raiders, you know, they've been a show, you know, we. Since the hirings and the firings. But at the same time, like, that's still an iconic brand. Like, that's a global brand. So this is a big job. You got to get your quarterback. If you don't hit on your quarterback, I don't care who's in the room, who's making. We just saw Ran Carthon. He got fired. You don't hit on that quarterback, you don't have a chance. Unless you have an ownership group that's going to say, hey, we're going to be patient. We're going to give you three, four years as long as you show us some progress.

[Boston Connor]

And because of the fact of where they are in the draft, I think they're at 6 right now. And you guys, I want to know what you guys all think, but, like, do you think there's any chance because of Tom Brady's relationship with Shedeur, of course, that maybe Prime Deion Sanders gets an interview where it's like, hey, if we do bring in this guy, we might not get Shadur at 6, but if we were to hire his dad, you could probably assume that he is. They're going to get him.

[Pat McAfee]

Interesting conversation about Shador right now.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And Cam Ward and all the quarterbacks coming out. I am not a draft analyst. I do not study the film and project where people are going to get drafted. I've seen Shador spin it it. I've seen Shador take massive hits. I know that Shador has been around NFL brains his entire life. I saw what they were able to do to Colorado, turning that place into a nothing, into a massive something every single week. And obviously there's other stars around him, but I just naturally assume like, yeah, Shador is going to be a guy in the NFL. Then you hear some of these draft experts and they're like, people we're talking to are saying Shador ain't number one overall type of guy. There's people saying that if Allories was coming out this year from Penn State, which I think is still a decision that has to be made because of the projections of what he could potentially be. Not even what he is now, but what he could be would make him the highest rated quarterback. And then Cam Ward is being discussed as one of the top quarterbacks as well as he should. The guy is so sweet to watch play football. And what he brought to Miami changed their entire culture as well. But there's people that aren't as high, I think, on Shador and Cam in the quarterback discussion as maybe we all would think from outside looking in. So at 6, are you okay? You know, because the way these drafts have gone is at the top is where the quarterbacks are going to go. People are trading up because they don't want to lose it. If they like a guy, they're going to go get it. Maybe that remains. Maybe that does remain the case with Shador. Somebody falls in love and they trade all the way up to 1, 2, or 3 or whatever to get Shador, to get Cam Ward to do whatever they have to do. But from the rumblings that it sounds like that's been coming out of the last couple days, once again, Smokescreen sees season. We're in the middle of bullshit season for everybody. Is 6 a good enough position to move up a couple spots to four if you want to get Shador or if you want to make any moves, I think so. They got Brock Bowers over there, who's potentially offensive rookie of the year with what he was able to accomplish. Max is still on the defensive side of the ball. You get a little bit of belief, you get a quarterback over there, Las Vegas is always going to be pumping. I mean, it's always going to be great. It's like, I assume Raiders fans think we're not that far away, and if they were to bring prime in and hire prime coach prime, obviously Colorado wouldn't be thrilled and everything like that. But that's splash hiring. That gets Las Vegas pumped.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And then you bring in Shador, it's like, okay, we're going to get the chance to experience this. That would be a massive headline winner. Would it be an actual winner? Tbd. But I think all these teams that are in these positions of hiring new people, if you get a good hire, you bring hope back to your team, into your fan base, into your city. Which is why these teams that have stuck by, the people that they've stuck by have fans so bummed out. Go ahead, Tyler.

[Ty Schmidt]

I was just like, in terms of the Shadur and Cam Ward stuff, like, it's all situational. Like, in terms of you have to get the right head coach because the Browns are definitely going to take a quarterback at two. And from what we've seen over the last, like, 20 years, like, it doesn't matter how good that guy is. Like, they're going to have to prove that. That he can be like, history just says that guy's going to fail. The Browns are going to take that guy, you know, and he's just never going to reach his potential. Shador, same deal. Like, if the. If the Raiders whiff on their head coach and he goes there at number one, like, there's a good chance in two, three years we're doing the same thing we do with A lot of these guys where it's just like, oh, not, not that he's going to be a bus, but it's just like they missed on this guy. He's going to have to go elsewhere to be successful. So, like, it does. I mean, Matt, hiring the right head coach and obviously the Brown situation is a little bit different, but hiring the right head coach means everything.

[Pat McAfee]

So speaking of hiring the right head coach, North Carolina Tar Heels hired Bill Belichick. The arrow from NFL Network, Tom Pelissero is reporting that multiple NFL teams have reached out to Bill Belichick going, are you sure we want to go high school, High school here? Are we sure we want to be dealing with transport? Are we sure we want to be dealing with 17 year olds and 20 year olds that maybe are a little bit entitled and don't really get it? Or do you think maybe come coach for the Raiders? So Tom Brady allegedly reach out to his old ball coach. Now is he's reaching out to say, happy Holidays, happy New Year, because all the great times he spent together, or was he reaching out to say, hey, are we. We get it. You took a stand. You said, I just want to coach ball. We. You're 15 wins away. That's it. You're 15 wins away. Do you want to do what you want to do? Interesting. Fascinating. Because as soon as he was hired to North Carolina, the overwhelming reaction, even by people that hated Bill Belichick as a New England Patriot, was basically like, this guy's willing to coach anything. And the fact that he's not an NFL coach is bullshit. Even the people that didn't want him to become a coach for their team were saying, this is why that he can't get an NFL job. Turns out the arrow is telling us a lot of people are like, hey, hey, last year, that coaching cycle, those people messed it up. That's not on us. We are now in the market. Would you want to come? And I think it's a $1 million buyout, something like that. After June.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, after June, right? 10 before 1. After.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Belichick's UNC contract includes a $10 million buyout if he leaves prior to June 1st. Which 10 million bucks. Bill Belichick can do that. Any NFL team can do that. Yeah, anybody can do that. And then 1 million bucks, obviously, if he leaves prior to June 1, 2005, and if he returns the NFL, I think it's after June 1, it's like 1 million bucks or something like that. So I think it becomes a very manageable contract. And I think he negotiated that way because this could potentially be an opportunity if the dream job opens up. Now, Mark Davis, Tom Telesco, would they allow Bill Belichick to come in and do his thing out there? If Tom Brady's saying, hey, this is what we're doing, I think they certainly would. How does Bill feel about it? We'll ask him next Monday. Will he give us an answer? Absolutely not. Well, everybody that's recruiting the same players that Bill Belichick is recruiting, use this against him. Absolutely. Just like they were doing in Nick Saban for the last 10 years of his college coaching career where they're like, he's quitting that guy. He's already got, he's hall of Fame. He's already goat brother. You think he's going to stick around for you if you come in, you need to come to us. Don't. Nick Saban is great, was great, but he's not going to be there for you. They're using that already at unc. That actually might be some other college teams telling Tom Pelisseri that information right there to get Bill screwed out of recruiting. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who maybe he'll be a coach someday, should be. Maybe he'll be president someday. Maybe, maybe he'll be an owner of a team. It's he, the Kelsey's and Manning on every commercial, social, whenever you watch any NFL game. Ladies and gentlemen, JJ wage you doing too much or no you think you're in a good spot?

[Michael Cole]

I think I'm in a great spot. I think I'm in a great spot. I got a very good looking schedule coming up. I'm loving it, really enjoying it. Life is beautiful.

[Pat McAfee]

I think you are.

[Michael Cole]

You're doing too much. Hey, yeah. Let's let pot kettle here.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I am, but I, I am, I am in places where people know that I'm going to be there. That's what the commercials. The commercials, you pop up into everybody's life when they don't know you're going to be there. And I like to say to your credit, I don't think I've seen a lot of people saying we're tired of seeing J.J. what have you, a great commercial. Other people, people have said, but like for Jade it's. There's never like a boy. I'm sick of seeing this son of a. Nobody's really saying that. No, Jage, good for you. That's not easy in the modern world. That's not easy.

[Michael Cole]

There's Plenty of people saying it. Don't worry, there's plenty of people saying it.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, but those people stink. You know, those people have no brains and those people might not even be real. The real thing is the fact that we all love you. And how's Burnley doing? I see a soccer ball over your shoulder. I see the hat on. Are we still in that second league and are we getting up to the big leagues ever?

[Michael Cole]

We're playing. We're playing great ball, brother. We're playing great ball. We have played 26 matches this season. Nine goals given up. We're going on a historic all time level run. Defense is absolutely stout.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Goalie, good to stand on head every single week.

[Michael Cole]

Goalie, great. James Trafford, phenomenal young goalie, future England number one, fantastic keeper.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, so he's not team for long then? He's gone, right? Isn't that kind of how that's going to go?

[Michael Cole]

Don't worry about it. We'll figure it all out into all these parts.

[Pat McAfee]

We got a lot of good goalies in England. We'll be all right. Who's we, brother? I don't think you want to be associated with England right now. I don't know who I want to be associated with. I've been reading a lot about England on that. I've been seeing too much about it. I. I have learned more about England in the last four days on it than maybe since world history back in high school. Legit. And all I know then is 1776, brother. Want to know? Hey, taxation without representation. I don't think so. Your stupid tea's getting tossed right into this goddamn bay right here. And we can go on and do this thing. But nonetheless, I know you're a massive pillar over there. Hopefully you help make it right. Because what I'm reading is there's a lot wrong over there. Great people, though. Great people. Of course not.

[Michael Cole]

Watching the darts? I'm watching Luke.

[Darius Butler]

The new Luke Littler.

[Pat McAfee]

He had another world class championship performance.

[Ty Schmidt]

He's unbelievable.

[Boston Connor]

Doug Goat.

[Pat McAfee]

He is Luke Littler. How old is he now?

[Boston Connor]

17?

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah. 18?

[Pat McAfee]

19. What did he say after his last big world championship win? What did he want to do? What did he just?

[Ty Schmidt]

Fancied him? A couple key bobs and some vapes. Maybe a Coke or a Fanta J.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's get back to the NFL, shall we? Let's get back to American football. We just talked about prime potentially going to Las Vegas. We just talked about Bill Belichick potentially getting back into the NFL. We just talked about Pete Carroll getting Interviewed by the Chicago Bears. And we just Talked about Mike McCarthy being denied access to an interview with Chicago Bears by the Dallas Cowboys because he is in an exclusive negotiating window with the Dallas Cowboys until the 14th. What are your thoughts on this coaching cycle and which one of those peaks your interest the most?

[Michael Cole]

Jack, the whole cycle is really, really interesting to me. The Belichick one is fascinating because you don't build your contract like that if you don't want to. At least keep that door open for a reason. I mean, otherwise, why would you have such a little buyout? And just thinking about the possibilities of that and what the logistics of if that happened and what North Carolina would do, how it would all work. I mean, that's just a fascinating, fun one to think about. McCarthy One's interesting because, like, he's technically out of a job right now, but he's also in that exclusive window. So it's funny that he doesn't have a job but is not allowed to talk to the teams.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know how his agent agreed to that because normally that exclusive negotiating window happens before the contract expires. I don't know how this was agreed to and I don't know how normal this is. This is my first time ever hearing about this.

[Michael Cole]

No, no. It's very interesting. It's like he's. He's free, but he's not free. So very weird there. Prime, obviously, would just be phenomenal for many reasons, entertaining. Just chaos. It would be great. Pete Carroll, I think, deserves another shot. I don't know why it's such a. Like, why it's not more common that he should get another shot and would be successful. I mean, I think that he's a great ball coach, guys love playing for, has had success. He's a guy that I would certainly look after. And he's also one of those CEO types who, yes, he has his hands in a lot of the different things, but he's not going to be running your offense or your defense. He's going to be overseeing the organization as a whole and making sure the entire thing runs properly. So I really like him. And then obviously, Vrabel in New England makes a whole lot of sense. I mean, I think everybody kind of thinks that's where that's going. Certainly makes a lot of sense. There was that all. And then the guys, the guys from.

[Pat McAfee]

They don't know. We don't know if that's true.

[Boston Connor]

But sense would say it does make it.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, no. Well, depending upon which sense you are viewing it from Are you talking about sense as in C E N T S? Because I think Patriot fans say we'll pay more money if old raves come. But sense might be let's get Pep Hamilton around his young quarterback. Yeah, it's a Byron left which worked with this young quarterback a little bit.

[Boston Connor]

But since would also say that Pep Hamilton, you know, if he loves Joe Milton so much, he might not be the right, you know, choice because Joe, this is Drake May's football team, you.

[Pat McAfee]

Don'T think Pep Hamilton will fall in love with Drake May. What do you say?

[Boston Connor]

I just think if Hamilton's coming in with Joe Milton mindset, we might need a more open minded head coach. If he's already thinking, hey, Joe Milton's my quarterback, hey man, Drake May's our quarterback. But how do you feel about that? J.J. as far as the Rooney rule goes? Because obviously as a Patriots fan it's felt like Vrabel. The whole way from the front office it's felt like Vrabel with craft it feels like Vrabel. But then with the Rooney rule, people are kind of bashing the Patriots as just kind of making it a big old joke because they interviewed both Byron and Pep yesterday. Do you think it is a big old joke? For one and two, if, if you have a guy in your mind that you think should be your head coach, can you really blame the Patriots for doing something like this? Because now, because they did this yesterday, they could in theory hire Vrabel tomorrow when he gets to New England for his interview.

[Michael Cole]

I think that a lot of these teams doing their interviews have a very short list in their head. Two or three guys that they actually think that they might hire. And some of these teams are interviewing 10, 15 guys and taking a whole lot of time and effort and energy to go through this whole process when not many of them are serious. Now, are some of them doing it for the Rooney rule? I'm sure there probably are some for that because you have to go through that process. I think there's a lot of reasons that people are interviewing coaches, whether it's some, some GMs or owners or have the same agent or have some reasons why it's good. If a guy gets a head coaching interview, his name gets out there as a potential future head coach, even if there's zero intention of hiring him at this moment. Some guys are getting reps at interviews for future years and all sorts of things. So there's many different reasons why guys get interviewed. And a lot of times in my personal opinion, there's a pretty, pretty short list of who's actually doing a real interview and who's doing an exercise.

[Pat McAfee]

The jets are interview 45 people, as are the Chicago Bears. The more information, the more intel, the better, I guess. But also too much information maybe gets lost in the clutter. Let's say you were potentially running a team. AQ has a question for you.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, jj if you got one of these jobs, how would you build the team?

[Michael Cole]

Well, I mean, which, which job? Which team? Like I gotta any team.

[AQ Shipley]

What, what, what's your philosophy? Would you build through the trenches? Would you go get a quarterback? How would you do it?

[Michael Cole]

It depends on what you have right now. So I mean, obviously if you have have Caleb Williams or you have Drake, may you have a young quarterback who you've already got that position established and you also don't have a lot of money invested in it. I'm going extremely heavily into the offensive and defensive lines. I think if that's the safest, best possible way to build your team, if you're trying to do it right and you also know you have the Runway. That's part of the problem that also happens in today's NFL is that guys are losing jobs after one year. So we're not being able to build a team how it needs to be built from a foundation inside out. Because coaches are now starting to think to themselves, I got to win this year right now. I can't build a culture, I can't build a program. I can't do it the way that I want to do it. I just need to figure out how can I get the best possible players right now to win this season so that I can have this job again next year. And that's really, really tough to play.

[Pat McAfee]

How come some guys can do it and some people can't? You know, how, how come. How come Jim Harbaugh can go over there and say, you know what? Silver Bell, Silver Bell. They're able to just win Immediately upon arrival, Demo Ryan goes into the biggest dumpster fire in the NFL. The Houston stupid Texans, who are sitting in a great spot for the next 10 years. And it does appear in the AFC south able to flip it around. We'll get the there. Okay. Yeah, let's not get there. Yeah, I know. I. I'm sure we will, but it is. Why do you think some of this place. Because the roster that they inherit so like.

[Michael Cole]

So I look at demeco, to me is the outlier because I look at Harbaugh out the Chargers and I look at Dan Quinn with the Commanders. Those are two guys that have turned around programs extremely quickly, clearly put their stamp on, and have done a great job. Those two guys have coached before and have been successful before. I think that experience really pays off. And that's also why I say D'Ameco is the outlier, because he's that one young head coach who did not have head coaching experience before, who has done it extremely quickly. And I also think that's part of the reason a lot of these other owners are firing coaches so quickly is because they're looking. They're saying, why can't you turn a team around like that? And I don't think it's fair to compare a Jerod Mayo to Dan Quinn or to Jim Harbaugh because they have the experience. But I do think a guy like Robert Kraft is looking at D'Ameco and saying he did it down there in a really, really bad situation, and now he's got two division titles in a row. Why did we struggle so badly at this? Boom. I need to try somebody else. It's. It's tough, man. D'Ameco. D'Amico, to me, is just a special, special cat. And you just catch yourself with the right, with the right guy in the right situation.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, there's only 32 jobs, so I think everybody's trying to catch a special cat. And you want to talk about special cat. Jim Harbaugh was the man. We went over there to the bolt. We met your guy, coach Herb. We met your guy, the strength coach, Pittsburgh Ginzer, legend, strength coach of dog, absolute dog. And we were doing that Silver Bells song because they have a VIP club in their weight room called the Silver Bells Club. And there's red velvet rope around it. You got to get in as if it's VIP around a couple the bench. They're one arm dumbbell pressing 200 pounds. Khalil Mack, crazy doing that. He's part of the Silver Bells club. Justin Herbert, one arm, 150 pounds. This quarterback doing that net, let alone the entire room. But Jim Harbaugh, I asked him about why he thought he was able to succeed so quickly, and obviously he said, justin, we got the golden goose. Justin Herbert, which is how he has been since he got there. But he said, everybody in here loves ball. He said, bosa Khalil, these guys just love ball. And that's why, you know, whenever he says, I found that people that love ball like me, and I, I like people that love ball, he feels like he went into the perfect situation, but he was able to pick and choose kind of right. He was able to kind of sort out where he wanted to go have a quarterback and then get a chance to kind of experience who the players are they've been waiting to be great is basically what Jim Harbaugh said. And he said, I'm just lucky to kind of be a part of it all was the way he viewed it. That's why, like Ben Johnson has been so picky, I think. I think Ben Johnson is like, situations going to have to be perfect for me to leave what I'm currently doing. He's making millions and millions as an offensive coordinator and he could go right back to Sheila Fordham this offseason and say, hey, I'm going to need about another million. You know, just so it makes sense, so I can tell my wife and my family the reason why I'm turning down 10 million a year to go be a head coach here is because I'm making 5 million to be an offensive coordinator here at a great situation. We're going to be happier. Not everybody can do that, I guess, you know, not everybody has the capability of doing that.

[Michael Cole]

So I've also seen a lot of things out there, obviously, I mean, Ben Johnson, no doubt, Aaron Glenn no doubt should be top tier candidates and they absolutely beef, bro. I've seen a lot of people like give them whatever they want, don't even need to interview them. I think one of the biggest misconceptions in my personal opinion is that a great coordinator is automatically going to be a great head coach. I think the interview process, sitting down with that guy, figuring out who he is as a person, how he handles the personalities, ego goes, the distractions, everything in the locker room, how he has a vision for the entire organization. Because the head coach is setting the standard for everybody in the entire building. He has to set the expectations at each level below him. Everybody obviously then reports up the ladder to him and he's the one who needs to make sure the entire thing goes smoothly. When you're a coordinator, you really got one major job. You take that side of the ball, you make that side of the ball successful. Yes, you have a couple people reporting o line coach, receivers coach, but you are not running the whole organization. I think it is a massively different thing. And you cannot just assume that a great coordinator is going to be a great head coach.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Because as a coordinator, all of a sudden you're dealing with everybody's, not just your side of the ball's, you know, and it's not just like the other side of the ball is or special teams. You're also dealing with sales and front office and ownership and the amount of things that come across your desk. Chuck McGon is talking about travel every.

[Darius Butler]

Hey, what hotel are we staying every day?

[Pat McAfee]

The itinerary of the day, what's it going to look like? How long are we allotting?

[Michael Cole]

And you're even hiring an offensive. Let's say you're an offensive coordinator. You become a head coach, you're going to hire an offensive coordinator. But you also know that you're. The reason you got hired is because your offense was great. So you're going to have your hands in that offense. Even if you say your hands off or whatnot, you're going to be in those meetings, you're going to be taking that time. So during the game, if the offense is struggling, you're going to be over there looking, trying to figure that out. When you also have global problems with special teams, with defense. So I also very much think that it's tough for a head coach to be the main playing caller on one side of the ball. That's. That's very difficult to do.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Chuck tells a story about he sat down there after the press conference. Everybody celebrated everything. And Ms. Tina was sitting in there and there was nobody else in the room. He was sitting at the desk and he said, he opened the thing. Where's the pamphlet at for this? And there is no, you can do it so many different ways. You can coach in so many different styles. Your itinerary can be whatever you know you dream it to be. There is a recipe for success for all teams. You have to have certain traits. But it's like, how are you going to define your head coaching ability? And that is that what falls on your lap whenever you get hired? Good luck to all candidates.

[Boston Connor]

Good luck.

[Michael Cole]

There's an organization out there. There's an organization out there that people thought might, might not make a move after this season. They decided not to make a move after this season. But they have in the past made a move mid season where they brought in a former player with no head coaching experience. And I'm curious if that's something you would ever consider if a certain season didn't go a certain way and you got a phone call and they said, hey, we need an interim that could possibly turn into a full time. Would you possibly be interested in, say, an old team of yours calling to do, you know, a job if they're not doing well, which they haven't done.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, in quite a while. They did fire their coach. They hired Rich Rodriguez. Are you. You're talking about West Virginia? That's who you're talking about. I'm talking about.

[Michael Cole]

No, I'm talking about the, the one in the AFC south that hasn't won it in like forever.

[Pat McAfee]

You're talking about the Colts. Talking about the Indianapolis. This graphic made its way onto the Internet and this was devastating for the AFC West. Okay. There is certainly one particular, particular team that's been there. And then for the AFC south, boy, you see everybody. You see everybody. Everybody's on there. But you don't though. But you don't. You don't know everybody's on there. You know, everybody's on.

[Michael Cole]

I thought there are four teams per division. There's two divisions there that only got three.

[Pat McAfee]

A lot of blues on there. Yeah, I guess you don't see any coats blue there. This upcoming year, though, is the one. This upcoming year is the one. And then you see the passing of the reigns of the dynasty basically over there in the AFC East. Not saying that the Bills picked up the dynasty, but for, certainly for the AFC east, they did. And it's their time, their win window still wide open going in to the weekend, which leads to this. Now, would I go coach the Indianapolis Colts mid season, next year, half season?

[Michael Cole]

Yeah, I feel like a half season you might consider, like, if he was like, hey, it's week 10. We need a guy just to finish it out. I feel like you might consider that, brother.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm not at the stage of life that I want to be coaching anybody.

[Ty Schmidt]

You know, 25 million bucks.

[Boston Connor]

But yeah, this would be awesome, brother.

[Ty Schmidt]

25 million bucks for the last eight weeks of the season.

[Boston Connor]

You on the sidelines.

[Pat McAfee]

25 million bucks. Who's paying that? James?

[Ty Schmidt]

Jimbo, right?

[Pat McAfee]

You think Jim is offering that?

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

That is cute.

[Michael Cole]

No, I think you, dude, I think with the right amount of weeks, or. Okay, let's say, let's say it was three weeks left and he was like.

[Pat McAfee]

Screw it, I'm in business. We got, I got employees, families. This guy's got a three month old. This guy's got a three month old right over.

[Michael Cole]

They're going to run the whole thing from here. We're going to have behind the scenes our own hard knock style, patent McAfee hard knocks. You're going to run the show from, from the facility. Lucas Oil every week.

[Pat McAfee]

I thought about this. I saw a lot of people, you know, not a lot of people. A good amount of people from the Indianapolis world. In the Colts team that were saying like, why don't you run team? You seemingly know all the answers. Why don't you run team? It's like that would be the angle if I was ever getting the NFL. Not with the Colts specifically, because once again, I think Chris Ballard's like such a good human. Like, you listen to what he's done for the community. Like, he is such a good human. Now that graphic is damning because he's been there for eight of those years. You know, that is eight years. People are going into their second contract getting drafted by Chris Ballard and then finishing a second contract with Chris Ballard still and have not won the AFC South. So their culture is pretty well cemented in place. What it's going to be it's career.

[Darius Butler]

If you're lucky, it's a full NFL career.

[Pat McAfee]

My career was eight years long. That is how long my career was. Now that is the how long Ballard has been in charge of running the Indianapolis Colts. And obviously there has been a lot of success at the beginning. I think there's been a lot of like, hey, Andrew Luck retired 17 days before season. That, that throws a wrench in every.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Salary cap team build. How we doing this whole thing that changes everything. But eight years into. It's a very, very long time. You know, that's a long time. Now I think Chris Ballard, if he was to leave the Colts, would easily get a job somewhere else and potentially be become GM again at some point, which I think everybody would understand. But I don't think coaching is ever something I'd want to do. I think the front office president of operations would be more so my thing because I would also like to dabble over into the marketing, the advertising, the social media, the every. You know, that is kind of the world that I would want to live in. So my answer would be no to coaching half a season next year. But that's not going to be the case because wait until you see what AR does this off season, okay? He learned how to get, how to work, how to be a pro. Whenever he was benched for those two weeks for Joe Flacco, everybody's talking, they.

[Michael Cole]

Won that last game, shook the hands of the air in the suites. They were going around all the suites I saw they were shaking everybody's hands and all the suites.

[Pat McAfee]

And Jim Ursay said he was proud of boys getting 8, 9 win that overtime winner Jacksonville Jaguars. Hey, we're going in the off season with a lot of buzz, you know, and a lot of people made a Lot more out of that thing than I thought of it. I thought it was certainly a gimmick. But then I understand why people are saying, but you beat the Jags. I don't think we should be doing. You know, it's like when they went on the podcast after they beat the jets and then they had it all figured out, you know, and then the next one.

[Michael Cole]

It was interesting to call attention to the feud between you and them because I think a lot of people agree with one side of the feud more than the other side.

[Pat McAfee]

It does feel pretty good. That does feel pretty good. I would like to let everybody know and I, I love you for your support. I love the Colts. You know, all this is because Jim Merce's money launched it all. Now. I certainly earned it. Let's not get crazy. Maybe get drafted. Shouldn't have been, but Bill Polian had faith that I figured it out. I'm very thankful for him for that. But Jim Mercy and I obviously had a relationship, have a relationship. And it's like his money and what he has done for me, my life, my friends, my family is certainly unbelievable. And he's given a lot back to the Indianapolis Colts. So I have a great appreciation for the Indianapolis Colts. I mean, season ticket holder multi year for the Indianapolis Colts. Talk about the Colts a lot. I would just like to see the Colts be great, you know, so whenever we see things that are not what great teams do, it's hard not to say it in there because, you know, passion gets conflicted with what I'm talking about. But that's what we do every single day. I have a. I have hope that they'll be able to put the toothpaste back into the tube. I said that on Monday. I think they're going to be able to do it. Their culture's already been cemented for eight years, but I think they're going to be able to change it. I think accountability is going to be paid attention to a little bit more held in high regard. I think work ethic is going to be something maybe a little pride and caring is going to be in there. I think they're going to try to become a likable team because I think they're not a very likable squad. I think it is hard to like. I think that's all going to happen this offseason. Boom, bang. How you doing? Keep it moving.

[Michael Cole]

All of it.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Look out, Texans. Okay. C.J. stroud's got a lot of naysayers right now about this particular weekend's game. And he said, we had that last year, too. And then look what happened. Not saying that this year is last year, but what he needs to worry about is that the Colts and I know their ponies are barking and that's what this offseason is going to be all about. Before we get to the offseason, there's obviously a lot of awards. Darius Butler has a question for you.

[Darius Butler]

Yes, Big awards, I believe over your right shoulder. It might be three defensive player of the year award.

[Pat McAfee]

So let's get a good shot of this. Wow.

[Darius Butler]

Damn, that's some impressive. And obviously your brothers. Your brothers, I'm sure right up there at the top of the odds, along with some other Wisconsin Badgers. But Zach, Bomb, tj, you know, Trey Sertan, all the guys that are in the war. How do you think this year specifically try to, you know, bias aside, how do you think you should go about picking the defensive player of the year this year?

[Michael Cole]

I think it's about as wide open as it's been in a while. I really do. I think it's. There's no real clear cut, obviously, kind of generally, as you've seen pass rushers get that first look, that's just the statistics of how it goes. So you look at Trey Hendrickson. I think he certainly had a phenomenal year. I think he certainly deserves to be in that discussion. A guy that I think is extremely overlooked in all this. Just as I look through it all myself, I don't have a vote. I'm not a voter. So I just look through it to see how it goes. Andrew Van Ga Winkle up in Minnesota, like two pick sixes on the year. I think he has like six, six PBUs. He has over 75 tackles on the year, possibly 80. He's got over 11 sacks. Like he's doing everything in the run in the past, dropping back, rushing the passer, picking it, doing a little bit of everything. And I think he's overlooked partially playing up there in Minnesota. I think Jonathan Gard on the other side is also a great player. That duo doesn't get talked about enough. Enough. Obviously you got Patrican playing unbelievable ball as well. Just shutting everybody down. He plays. DBs are really hard, as you know, to judge off of numbers because some of the best ones ever don't get thrown at, so they don't get the same numbers. I completely understand that as well. Obviously, Miles had another great year and deserves to be up in that conversation as well, just based off of how great he's played.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, that's very nice of a watt to say that. It is, it's very nice.

[Michael Cole]

I mean always the same. And then obviously TJ's up there as well for everything he does, the way he affects the game, how he, how he does it. So it's, it's wide open. I'm very curious to see what voters are going to do and who knows. Yeah, I have literally no idea.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's head over to Hammer with ap. Tone, Tone, did you listen to what Jade just said? And is that going to change anything as you have to put your vote in today, right?

[Hammer Don]

Tone, I wasn't just listening, I was taking notes. Okay. Because it's. You would be stupid to not listen to the three time defensive player of the year. And I do believe it's one of the hardest years for defense player of the year because I don't know if they're there like you said and we talked to Daniel about it yesterday. There hasn't been like that one standout guy like the years where TJ had 22 sacks or last year when he was clearly, the Defensive MVP. Defensive Player of the year. Sorry. And did not win it last year. The AP messed that one up.

[Pat McAfee]

You were not a part of them. That Tone saying the crew last year.

[AQ Shipley]

I did not. That's why I got hired.

[Hammer Don]

I did not vote last year. But no, because it's crazy because you're. JJ talks about it. You know, it's kind of like the MVP has come become a quarterback award and the defensive player of the year has kind of become a pass rusher award. So you kind of start there. But I feel like this year, you know, you throw in the Patan in the corner, Kirby Joseph at safety, Zach Bond at linebacker, then you have those edge rushers pressures as well. There is a lot to take in this year.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, Tom, we think you're going to get it right. We generally.

[Michael Cole]

I'm curious, Tone, I'm curious because you would know this better than I do. Obviously I've. I believe that the voting changed this year from past years where now it's one through five and they're awarded points based on where you're voted, correct?

[Pat McAfee]

Yes.

[Michael Cole]

Because I do think that's going to play a big part in it here depending on how that's all weighted because I do think certain guys like I like we talk about tj, like I think think the second place, third place votes are obviously going to help come be in addition to first place votes and that's where it's going to be interesting in a year like this where I don't think there's one clear cut number one.

[Pat McAfee]

Agreed. J We appreciate you AP tone and good luck with your voting. Jades. Thanks for making time for us. If you want to join us in the second hour, you can. The person who's going to potentially join us is in Southern California right now battling through insane no power.

[Darius Butler]

Wow.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yes, you can see that.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean it's going on. If you want to join us in the next hour or no, I got.

[Michael Cole]

Some time if you want me to. You tell me.

[Pat McAfee]

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[AQ Shipley]

I'm excited for this game, too. I watched them live boots on the ground at the Fiesta bowl. And that Penn State team is special. This is the best Penn State team they've had in a long time. And I mean, I almost just lost my breath there. I'm getting so fired up talking about.

[Pat McAfee]

These guys, choked up because of how good they are. You didn't lose your breath. You were getting choked up because of how great this Penn State team is. It's making you emotional because this is what Penn State people have been dreaming of. This is the. This is a situation that Penn State folks who have always been left out of the Big Ten convo, you know, when it was leaders and legends in east and west, you know, Michigan and Ohio State dominated the division of the conference that Penn State had been in, Penn State was always three. Penn State Was always three. Always three. Now there was a little bit of an opportunity this year. Ohio State still wagon. Yeah, absolute wagon. They look incredible in this entire thing. Oregon obviously comes in. They're going to be ready and revamped next year, we assume with a team that's still going to be great. Hell of a run by those Sco docs out there in Oregon. But this Penn State team feels real and it feels like a real opportunity for Penn State to do something. I think Penn State fans are a little bit like. They're a little hesitant on it all, though. I think you're like optimistic, but not. I don't think this was expected.

[AQ Shipley]

I'm almost too optimistic. I was telling the boys when I came in today, I feel real good about this. I think offensively this is. They're a better offensive football team, I think, than Notre Dame. Defensively, both teams are great defenses, physical on both sides, good coaches. I played against Marcus Freeman when he was at Ohio State. Love everything he's brought to that team. Special teams wise might be the difference maker. We'll see what happens. But I love this Penn State team. I love everything that they're doing. They're all in. We've talked about this. This offensively. Tyler Warren, Dog aller. The running backs, offensive line. Best offensive line they've had in a while. Feel good about it.

[Pat McAfee]

Best offensive line they've ever had is what I'm being told.

[Ty Schmidt]

Wow.

[AQ Shipley]

Relax over there. Relax.

[Boston Connor]

What they're saying.

[Darius Butler]

Got to REM.

[AQ Shipley]

Relax my offensive line, center, guard, guard. 34 years of NFL experience. Let's relax.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. We don't know. We don't know what this Penn State offensive line is going to do, but it does feel. I'm happy. Happy for you Penn Staters, legitimately, I'm happy for you Penn Staters.

[AQ Shipley]

This is what they've been waiting for. This is the playoff. This is exactly. I mean, they've. We've always been left out, right? Like we were never going to make the top four. We were never going to make the top four, no matter what. But the minute they made it 12 and we felt like we had a chance to get in the dance, this is exactly where we're.

[Pat McAfee]

And I'm also incredibly happy for the Notre Damers. Yeah. I mean, it is. It is something that I think even the Notre Dame fans would say. We lose these games, like the couple games that they have just won last.

[Ty Schmidt]

Georgia last week especially that we lose this.

[Pat McAfee]

You're not. You're a Catholic school kid.

[Ty Schmidt]

So there's was A massive Notre Dame fan going up had always planned on going to Notre Dame like for college. And like yeah, last week was like that. I mean granted, and that Georgia team wasn't the same Georgia team that we've seen I thought the last couple years. But regardless, five stars everywhere and that is just kind of typically always the game, at least in recent history that it's like Notre Dame's just, they just, it's just too much. They just keep for whatever reason, especially.

[Pat McAfee]

Watch because of speed, brother. That is always the conversation as nine year NFL vet Darius J. Butler joins us. Yukon legend but has been able to be on the field for basically every college football big game for the last couple years, which we are very lucky to be a part of. But Notre Dame always had an issue with the miles per hour whenever they would get into these big games. This year it's like they got dudes and they are physical enough I think to wear down other teams that might be big, strong and fast. It's like this Notre Dame team's built differently this year than it ever has been.

[Darius Butler]

It feels like they are and that's obviously part of the, you know, transfer portal era as well. And I think they put a side by side. I saw maybe on X of like the 4, 5, 3 stars on diff on each roster and like you mentioned, once the playoff time or national championship time or whatever, getting close to that, yeah, it's going to be belt to ass once they run into these, one of these SCT teams but it hasn't been that case. And then Marcus Freeman was talking about him like the job that he's done coaching like in all three phases, having the boys ready like at 38, 30, like we play with. He was my teammate at the Senior bowl. So like we've seen this guy come.

[Pat McAfee]

Up and oh, I didn't know that. So I beat Marcus Freeman.

[Darius Butler]

North. North versus south was a little, you.

[Pat McAfee]

Know, I was on the South. I didn't love it.

[Darius Butler]

Miles per hour.

[Boston Connor]

That was the only one they've got recently.

[Pat McAfee]

I, I don't love that I was on the South.

[Darius Butler]

Mouse power. You guys had the edge once again. Shocker. Shocker.

[Pat McAfee]

We had USC at that time.

[AJ Hawk]

Y.

[Pat McAfee]

We had Ray was cla.

[Boston Connor]

Damn.

[Pat McAfee]

Maluga and Clay. Yeah. And Kutch or not Cushing. And then Fe Maala was also on that team. He ends up getting drafted to the Colts. So we had all the USC guys, we had the SEC and then ultimately we had Pat White. And you didn't say the chance punch.

[Darius Butler]

It's a Good game.

[Pat McAfee]

I didn't know. We beat the hell out of Marcus Freeman.

[Darius Butler]

He's been a great, great coach. You know, I won the coaching battle last week, and obviously we'll see if he can win it again this week.

[Pat McAfee]

I like where Notre Dame is. And when you talk about having money, that helps.

[AQ Shipley]

They got it.

[Pat McAfee]

A lot of boosters.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah. Pretty powerful institution behind him as well.

[Pat McAfee]

And also a funnel of a pipeline from Catholic schools, which I did not learn until I talked to you, because Catholic school kids are gonna know this. I didn't associate with a lot of Catholic school kids throughout my entire life. I actually had quite a vision of you guys for a large part of my life. And still I have to bury that thought about you guys from all my life, basically judging how soft you guys would have to be to be Catholic school kids. And you wear khakis every day. Shut up. I don't wanna hear it like that. Oh, you come. It's expensive to go to a Catholic school. Oh, you come from. So that is how I've always viewed Catholic school kids. Growing up now, getting to know a lot of Catholic school. I was pretty wrong about. About a lot of these dudes. Now, I'm sure there are those people that exist in those Catholic schools, but it's like there is a discipline that is taught in there that it certainly helps in life and everything like that. And having that pipeline of Catholic schools wanting to go to Notre Dame, like, the dream is to go to Notre Dame, like, that is kind of the thought through all these Catholics that's going to help about. Plus the nil, plus everything else they are cooking. It's a good time to be a Notre Dame Fighting Irish fan, without a doubt.

[Ty Schmidt]

And, you know, I think a lot of, like, Notre Dame fans appreciate that. Marcus Freeman, for by large, like, he's. He's a good dude. He doesn't seem like a sack of shite, which maybe the previous guy, you know, a lot of people kind of thought he was towards the end, no shots fired kind of just is what it is. But, like, he's doing it. He's doing it the right way as well, you know, which I think a lot of people, especially around that campus and longtime Notre Dame fans appreciate it.

[Pat McAfee]

He's a Catholic, too. I think he converted Catholicism.

[Ty Schmidt]

Right.

[Pat McAfee]

And his fan, like, he is seemingly the guy. He can have that job for 40 years, too.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Like, actually at the age of 38, for sure.

[Darius Butler]

Remember how the team reacted when he was announced.

[Ty Schmidt]

Exactly.

[Darius Butler]

As the head coach?

[Pat McAfee]

I don't Think they knew, right?

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, they didn't know. So they knew. Obviously, Brian left and then he walked into the weight room and it was a big, like. That was pretty dope.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I think the strength coach and a lot of the coaches, like you said, were staying with this guy instead of going down to Louisiana. But I think it was before it was announced who the head coach was, players didn't know who the coach was going to be. They were in the weight room and the strength coach talks about. It's always going to be about this. It's going to be about this. And now your new head coach of the Notre Dame team. And then when Marcus Freeman turns that corner, I think the boys were both surprised and then immediately elated. And then as they're jumping in the middle, you see Marcus Freeman and the boys like, like show a level of respect. Like, all right, let me get back to the front of this thing now. Let's go ahead and do this. It is not a lot of young guys are able to take on that big of a job. That's a huge job. When you look at Dillingham over there in Arizona State, he's how old? Let's go to Hammer. Don. Don, how old is Dillingham? I think he's like 32 or something.

[Hammer Don]

32. 33. Somewhere around there. So it's insane. And he's been coaching since high school. But I. We talked about it the last two weeks. Weeks with Notre Dame and their social team. Just another absolute banger. Obviously they're going down to Miami, so there's only one man you can use.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, yeah. Okay.

[Boston Connor]

The Mr. 305.

[Pat McAfee]

There might be a Pitbull appearance in here. I don't know. With the way the Notre Dame social media team has created, they had Jeezy. Then I had this is the Way I Live, which we didn't expect from the other day.

[AQ Shipley]

No.

[Pat McAfee]

Great song. And then now they got Ricky Ross. Okay. I don't know what Penn State's social team is doing, but Notre Dame is undefeated.

[Darius Butler]

It's only one Penn State can counter this with.

[Pat McAfee]

Who's that?

[Darius Butler]

Lavar's boy. Hottest rapper on the planet.

[Pat McAfee]

Hell yeah. Ball.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Hammer Don]

I thought you were saying Aaron hit.

[Darius Butler]

Us in that corner.

[AQ Shipley]

Me too.

[Pat McAfee]

Whoa. It's banger. Banger.

[Boston Connor]

Tweak. People are playing it non stop.

[Pat McAfee]

So I saw the inside. The NBA crew was asked to finish the lyrics and they didn't know the lyrics, but they all. They all started doing. The whole world doing it. It's like, congrats, Liangelo. Great name too. Great name, great name. Liangelo in the entirety. Maybe Penn State will do that. Maybe you should get that. Maybe you should get that ad on the phone. Yeah. Hey, listen, social media team is what we need.

[AQ Shipley]

This is what we need, okay?

[Pat McAfee]

Because Notre Dame has been burying folks with their highlight videos. And did you see Riley Leonard caption on a one of his photos on Instagram?

[Boston Connor]

Ooh, I did not. What is it?

[Darius Butler]

Me either.

[Pat McAfee]

It said gimme Notre Dame. Okay. So I think that is potentially give me Alabama maybe. You know, a lot of people would send it to me and said, hey, have you seen this from Riley Leonard? It's also, I think he has fallen in love with being a Notre Dame quarterback. Yeah. The way he has talked about the place, the building, the history, the like, he is picture perfect for Notre Dame.

[Ty Schmidt]

Big time God fearing man as well. Yeah, I mean that certainly goes a long way.

[Pat McAfee]

Hold on now. Yeah. Let's go to Hammer. Done. Done. These semifinals are about to be fucking awesome, Tone. It feels like the four right teams are here in that game to kick it off down the Orange Bowl. Obviously, obviously it's Miami, so it's going to be hot. So everybody's going to be feeling good, but that's going to be a. Oh yeah, smash mouth football game, which is good for football, I think. Good for college ball. Tone digs. Yep.

[Hammer Don]

I love the matchups for the semifinals because it's kind of good on, good for everyone in this situation. We start with the Orange bowl down in Miami where Notre Dame is a one and a half point favorite against Penn State. And they are basically carbon copies of each other. They run the ball and they play defense, defense. And they are physical and in the trenches. They dominate. The. The one in this one will be, you know, is Drew. Can Drew Aller throw better than Riley Leonard? Yes, he can. But can he do that against Notre Dame's passing defense, which I believe is like number two in the country?

[Pat McAfee]

How many picks does Watts have? All of them.

[Hammer Don]

Six on the year. He's a first team all American. He is absolutely dominant.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, he's going to be on that guy. Oh yeah. That is going to be a Sunday matchup. Tyler, Warren and Watts. I'm very, very pumped to watch. And then in the other game down there in Dallas, Texas.

[Hammer Don]

Yeah, the Cotton Bowl. Ohio State and Texas, that's like this is the best defense that Ohio State will see all season long. Sorry Penn State, but Texas has got that man made up front. And a secondary that, you know, nobody, nobody, nobody out. Pizza is the Hot. But nobody can also stop Jeremiah Smith. You're right. But the Texans can only hope to contain them. But this, these teams can both run, they can both pass, they both have. Have incredible defenses. So the matchup being down here with Ohio State minus five and a half, minus six, total of 53, I believe. 53 and a half. So they think it's going to be a higher scoring game, obviously than the Orange Bowl. But the, the matchups in this one are. Are this weekend are awesome.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah. Just like last week how Ohio State, Oregon was like the national championship. Whoever wins this, it does have the feeling that Texas, Ohio State.

[Pat McAfee]

What?

[Boston Connor]

Unfortunately.

[Pat McAfee]

Did you hear we were just saying about Penn State? We were literally.

[Boston Connor]

And I love Notre Dame too. I love what they're doing. They treated us like kings when we went up there earlier and they're an Indiana school. With that being said, it does feel like the two classes of the College Football Playoff are, you know, the Cotton. Yeah, it's the Cotton bowl and the Orange Bowl. In the Cotton bowl has the two teams that are extremely dominant and then the. The Orange bowl has the very gritty, you know, winning the trenches.

[AQ Shipley]

Team Texas almost lost Arizona State. Let's not forget that.

[Boston Connor]

No, no.

[Pat McAfee]

Over.

[Hammer Don]

What are you saying? Arizona State Shite aq. Is that what you're saying?

[Pat McAfee]

No, I think what he's saying is like saying there's two classes at this stage. I think it's different. I think we got the four right teams at this point of the season with how everybody's playing. But I don't. Hey, you see what Notre Dame did? Georgia.

[Boston Connor]

Exactly. Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

I did not expect that. Did you expect that? This isn't even sec. Sbn. Okay. This is. And you were pulling for Notre Dame in that particular game. So I remember you doing that, but I didn't expect that out of Notre Dame team. I thought it was going to be the same old song and dance. Whenever we got to this stage of the season, Notre Dame's not going to be able to keep up. Kirby Smart's going to be able to do it. It's like they out athletic Georgia and they out at out powered Georgia, out physical Georgia, all the out executed every. Everything you need was just like Notre Dame. Doubt it. And in Penn State they're spending just as much money as everybody else. That is the story that's not being told. Everybody talks about, you know, Texas has what like three collectives is allegedly what it has. They have so many people giving money to the organization. They got all the money in the world down There they able to. To afford whatever roster they want. Oregon obviously has Nike behind them. So they have. We're going to win. We're going to wear the sickest uniforms, sickest gear. Not only is it a massive commercial for us, we're not the only ones wearing Nike. A lot of people wearing Nike. But this is where Nike found it. So they're going to be all in. Ohio State has been talked about since the beginning. Hey, they're going all in special, spending all of this money that they have. And down the sec, I'm assuming there's some massive contracts being given out as well. More places that we are mentioning. But Penn State is Always the team that is Michigan has Larry Ellison now behind him pushing his 208 billion, married to a Michigan lady.

[Ty Schmidt]

It's a lot of money.

[Pat McAfee]

So now he's Michigan man. He owns one of the islands of Hawaii. So United States got that. Obviously Hawaiian a big part of it.

[AQ Shipley]

And Lanai.

[Pat McAfee]

He owns Lanai? Yeah, just owns one of them.

[AQ Shipley]

I don't know if that's the island.

[Pat McAfee]

It is. Yeah. It's my wife and I's favorite place in Hawaii actually. Now granted going over to Honolulu and all the other places. Fantastic. And the people are amazing over there. That is a big piece of it. And why Hawaii? But you get there and it just radiates this energy that like this is the greatest place to ever exist. I mean it is so good. Lanai is like one of the a. I don't say like a deserted, but it is like very, very small. Not a lot of people. And he just bought it. It's unbelievable. Now he is contributing Oracle. Yeah. What's that? I don't know.

[Boston Connor]

You don't want it.

[Pat McAfee]

208 billion clouds.

[Hammer Don]

It's basically a database for like sales organization, stuff like that information.

[Pat McAfee]

And what, they just have everybody? Like McAfee Antivirus had everybody? Yep.

[Hammer Don]

Salesforce and Oracle pretty much have Everybody.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. John McAfee. All right, let's. Let's move along.

[Boston Connor]

We should ask him.

[Pat McAfee]

Do you know where he is? No. Nobody does that documentary of him getting on those boats with all those guns, keeping it moving. I know too much. I know too much. They know that I know too much. And he's kept it moving. But Penn State is a team that nobody money. They have the most CEOs out of any university in the entire country.

[Darius Butler]

So that's a lifestyle.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Penn State, most CEOs in the country. So CEOs get paid a lot of money in a lot of places. So if you're getting a million. Like, obviously, Oracle 208 billion can drop. Phil Knight billions can drop a lot of money. Hey, you need 100 million, whatever. But whenever you have, like, thousands of millionaires that can give a million five hundred thousand, it's like they're collecting cash. They're doing a $700 million stadium renovation that's already started there. And that's. That's nowhere near the amount of money that they're okay to approve towards a roster they're willing to outbid, I think anybody, whenever it comes to money to put this football team together. It's not just that. Basketball, volleyball, all their sports, all their alumni. And we've talked about Penn State being a cult, and that's a compliment. There's a lot of Colts in college. That is the reason why college sports are the way they are. But that Penn State cult is very large, very desperate, I think, to win. And they like, hey, I got cash. You hear somebody who wants Penn State, they probably got money is probably the way it's going to be. And they're taking advantage of that. That's not talked about whenever it comes to Penn State football.

[AQ Shipley]

You know who else they got?

[Pat McAfee]

Who's that?

[AQ Shipley]

The Pulas.

[Pat McAfee]

Who are the Pulas?

[Boston Connor]

The Bills owners.

[AQ Shipley]

Buffalo Bills owner.

[Ty Schmidt]

Every and a Buffalo place on what?

[AQ Shipley]

And the Sabers didn't know that? Oh, yeah. Every place on Penn State's campus is.

[Darius Butler]

Named after the Pulas.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's go to the Ohio State campus that has one name all over it as well. And there's also one tree that is on that campus and is held by a man who is a national champion for the Ohio State University Buckeyes. He's a Super bowl champion for the Green Bay packers. Ladies and gentlemen, A.J.

[Boston Connor]

Hogg.

[Pat McAfee]

A.J. we just broke down both these games. Obviously, we're going to be on the field for both of them. Let's talk about that Ohio State Texas team. I saw our game. I saw Bobby Carpenter on Get up this morning. Yeah, it was good to see the General back on TV chitchat. He is still bringing it five big booms out of General Carpenter every day. Every single day. What are your thoughts on that game? How do the Ohio State people feel about this Ohio State team going in take on a very, very good Texas Longhorn squad?

[AJ Hawk]

I mean, I feel like Ohio State people are. Are definitely optimistic. I think they respect Texas, though. Like, people here understand that Texas is legit. Sark is legit, and this team has a ton of talent. Obviously, they're very aware of Quinn, yours, and all the. All the magical things that dude can do with his arm. So, yeah, I think they're optimistic, but they also want to continue to get out to these fast starts. I mean, that changes the game. Ohio State just, they've been, these last two games, they've been jumping out to an early lead, and that kind of changes the game plan for the opposing team. When you get out to such a fast start and all of a sudden the team's already playing catch up against you.

[Pat McAfee]

That's first play right there at a tight end lineup at running back. They have two running backs that are unbelievable. And Chip Kelly's just been cooking, getting the ball into this guy's hands. Tone Diggs alluded to it. Nobody is going to be able to stop that guy, and you just have to hope to contain him. Texas obviously has talent all across, across the board. That's triple team. I don't know what else you can do. You know, there isn't a better coverage that you can draw up or call. Here's another one. There's three guys around the ball. I mean, it's what Will Howard's been dialing up and what Chip Kelly's been dialing up and the way they've been executing. There's a reason why they are the odds on favor to win the national championship. Can they continue to do that as they have to travel to Texas to take on Texas in the semifinals? Then that other game, Notre Dame, Penn State. We're just chit chatting. Obviously, everybody talks about how much money Ohio State's spent on the roster. I think that was a rude narrative to start at the beginning. And I think a lot of teams are thankful that Ohio State's getting that. Yeah, yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Pressure.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Ohio State spending 20 million bucks. Yeah, yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

They also did it. They did that to retain a lot of their roster as well. A lot of their guys on defense came back for another year, and that was. That was part of it as well. It wasn't just getting guys from other places.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes, I agree completely. But I'm saying what. And I was even contributing to it because I heard a number and I'm like, Damn, they're spending $20 million. And now that we've traveled the country a little bit and we've understand the current landscape of college football, it's like a lot of other teams are like, yeah, I can't believe Ohio state spent just 20.

[AJ Hawk]

Keep talking about that.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, yeah. And they're like, only 20. Hey, they're spending only 20 over there. That means that is because these teams that are left, they have all been invested into their. Not just their football team, but sports as a whole. And all these fans, all these teams left to have massive fan bases that are going to want to support Penn State, Notre Dame. How do you think that one turns out? We've been talking about it being a heavyweight fight. Obviously, both very physical. Watts versus Tyler Warren right there in the front of the graphic is going to be fun to watch how, you know, Koto Niki decides to get him involved in the game. And how much does Koto Niki decide to, you know, it's a big stage. Let's draw up some cool looking plates.

[Ty Schmidt]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's do some really fun, fun things here. Let's not, huh?

[AQ Shipley]

Let's not.

[Pat McAfee]

What are you talking about?

[AQ Shipley]

Let's run the football.

[Boston Connor]

Well, let's get tricky.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, what are you talking about?

[AQ Shipley]

We need to make over the trick stuff. Run the football.

[Pat McAfee]

The trick stuff is good, though, because future opponents have to study how many.

[AQ Shipley]

More future opponents we have.

[Pat McAfee]

Exactly.

[AQ Shipley]

We got enough trick stuff on tape. Let's play football.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. All right. That is how AQ feels about Kyle Mickey, the offensive coordinator for the Penn State Nittany Lions. But I think the way we see that this is going to be a, you know, a fight, a fight in a phone booth. The way and that's who's going to win this game, is who can withstand the blows that are going to be thrown and who can give out more of them. Just like it was a heavyweight fight. That guy's unguardable as well. What. How do you see this game going down in Miami on Thursday?

[AJ Hawk]

Well, first I wanted to ask aq, obviously an insider to the Penn State program, is Abdul Carter going to be rolling? Is he good to go? How does he feel, aq?

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, I think he's banged up, but I think he's going to give it a go. I think this is a major moment, a massive moment in his career and for the program. And I think he gives it a go and he is going to be.

[Boston Connor]

Humming off the edge.

[Pat McAfee]

You know what I like that hasn't been talked about a lot this year that was talked about in years past. And I think it's because a lot of nil money and incentives are based around payments after bowl games. You haven't heard a lot of guys just sitting out games, you know, because they're like my draft stock. I'm not saying college football playoff games, anybody would do that or would they?

[AJ Hawk]

But we'll see at some point at some point someone will.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, see, I don't think so. With the way these contracts are being kind of set up. I think the bowl games have been added into the contracts. So I think the NIL thing has actually helped bowl games, bowl participation and kind of put the bed a little bit. Some of the negative drama that was around players opting out for future earnings or whatever it was. Feels like that wasn't a big storyline this year, right?

[AQ Shipley]

Agree.

[Pat McAfee]

Wasn't a big storyline. I don't think anybody really talked about it. And then Burke Magnus, president of content for espn, put out a tweet that was like all bowl season was up, everything was up. People talk about there being too many college bowl games, yada, yada yada, everything ratings was up 18 to 39 or whatever up in viewing everything in this college bowl season. And I think this year there was less combo about that because the 12 team playoff maybe took a lot of distraction. I think a lot more people enjoyed those other bowl games just kind of like, ah, we know what this is now as opposed to the ones that. Because I think they were trying to make all these bowl games act like they were important, like they were trying to make them all feel good. Hey, welcome to the Toto Toilet Bowl. This is a meaningful thing. Like that is what people tried to do and we do. What's that?

[Darius Butler]

The names, like the names of.

[AJ Hawk]

That's the toughest.

[Pat McAfee]

The Belt Bowl. Yeah, yeah.

[Darius Butler]

The games this year were great.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what I'm saying. Like I think this year there was less of the argument of whether or not bowl games matter because the 12 team playoffs were the thing that like these games are a bonus game for these teams. This is how they're going to propel into next season. I think it was just a lot more proper perspective on what bowl season was this year as opposed to years past. And I think there was a lot more participation from guys than years past because of the way the nil incentives are set up. So I would like to thank college football for having a phenomenal postseason thus far. And obviously there are some blowouts in games, but I've enjoyed those as well because those are all helping build to the precedent that's being set for future 12 team playoffs and how we need to go. I, I've, I've really loved this college football season from beginning to end all the way back in Dublin through now. It's like I've really enjoyed this college ball season season when there was a lot of calls for doom and gloom, a lot of five big dooms coming towards college ball, but instead it's been a complete opposite.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, I, we always worried. I think we were talking about, oh, what are the unintended consequences or whatever from this nil situation, all the money coming in. We were just worried about like the play on the field. Like, is the play going to suffer? No, I think the play has gotten better on the field. Like we're seeing top tier matchups. It seems like week in, week out. Yeah, some guys are transferring and whatever. Sometimes it's pretty cool to see a guy who all of a sudden he gets to a second or third team and he's a superstar. He just need to be in the right system.

[Pat McAfee]

Cam Ward, obviously coming into prominence. Not that he wasn't over there, Washington State, but over there he came into promise. Will Howard, coming out of Kansas, I mean, that is. He's been put onto a massive stage and has shown up. How is he? I don't, I don't see a lot of interviews with him. Feels like he's got great swag. Does he do a lot of local talking and what, how does he sound going into the biggest game of his life? Coming up.

[AJ Hawk]

Anything?

[Pat McAfee]

I.

[AJ Hawk]

The only things I've seen from him and I, I don't see him out there doing a ton of stuff. He seems pretty dialed in. Is anything I hear from really any of the Ohio State players that when I watch, like local stuff, they're all talking about like, hey, we got two games left. Like, this is, we haven't done anything that's like, that's kind of been their, their M.O. i think, recently. Yeah, they're, they're excited. They, they celebrated the wins for a little bit, but I think they all know, like, none of this, like this cool stuff we have done. These first two games helped kind of switch this narrative. After a terrible loss to Michigan, it all means nothing. If we go out there and we drop one of these games, that's just.

[Pat McAfee]

Like Oregon, undefeated, Big Ten champs, losing a Rose Bowl. It's over.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, that's it.

[Pat McAfee]

The finality of it is right there. This team's never going to be together again. You're gonna have to find new pieces and you're going right back to the bottom of the mountain again next year, obviously hang the Big Ten championship banner. First year over there. Congratulations, you earned it. You had a great season. You had to beat a lot of people and a lot of big moments to do that, but it's like once it's over, the only thing you remember is your Last game. And that's kind of a shame. Yeah, that is kind of a shame with how it works. But that's just the reality of the business. And the business is good right now for college football. Four massive fan bases. I think the ratings are going to be through the roof. Today's Wednesday, isn't it? I remember I said that's on Thursday. Tomorrow. Yeah, that is tomorrow.

[AJ Hawk]

Awesome, man. It's great.

[Darius Butler]

So pumped.

[Pat McAfee]

We'll be live tomorrow from the college game day set, this particular show. And then I believe there's a college game day from 6 to 7:30. And then I believe the game starts immediately after that down at the Orange bowl. We'll be on ESPN2 with our field pass. If you want to enjoy the game with us, we will certainly be trying to do that. And then obviously, who's calling that? Is that McDonough and McElroy?

[Ty Schmidt]

I would assume so, but I have no idea.

[Pat McAfee]

Me neither.

[Ty Schmidt]

I would assume that. I don't think Herbie and Fowler are going to call both of them.

[Pat McAfee]

Now. They're calling the Cotton Bowl. Yeah, exactly.

[Ty Schmidt]

So it'd be McDonough and. Because they called the Georgia and Notre Dame game.

[Pat McAfee]

So they'll be on espn. We'll be on ESPN too. I believe we'll be having a couple people stop by for conversations.

[Boston Connor]

Nice.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, I believe there's a chance the athletic director for Penn State hops on the microphone.

[Boston Connor]

Okay, Mr. Gillis gonna be there.

[Pat McAfee]

So I did reach out. I do not think so. Ah. What?

[Boston Connor]

That's surprising.

[Pat McAfee]

I think show in San Antonio.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, I figured that.

[Pat McAfee]

I think there is. I think the day of game.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, did he guess wrong?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I think there was a. I think. I'm not sure, but I do believe there is a little bit of a conflict. You get into Thursday, Friday, that gets into people's show schedules. Yeah. You know what I mean? Wednesday, you're in a good spot. Good. Everybody's kind of free on a Wednesday. Monday, even people normally kind of have free Thursday. Friday is a little bit of a difficult thing, but maybe Shane makes it happen. From last I heard, though, that he was not going to be in attendance. But we assume there will be many people down there that we will run into. And if we get a chance to chat with anybody that's pulling for Notre Dame or Penn State, that'll be an honor. Then we'll fly over to Dallas. Hopefully. Hopefully.

[Darius Butler]

Any weather update?

[AJ Hawk]

They're brining. They're brining the streets, I hear. So we should be good.

[Boston Connor]

They're doing what what's that mean?

[AJ Hawk]

They said they're brining the streets. I don't know. I guess it's some kind of. Some kind of chemicals to hopefully have the. Maybe if it does. If ice comes, it doesn't come as fast. I don't know.

[Pat McAfee]

You know what? I would like to let the world know that if they are using some new shit that they created in a lab to stop ice from taking over streets, I'm about it. I think we as a society should have figured this out already.

[Hammer Don]

They did it around here.

[Pat McAfee]

Here. Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

It's just salt water.

[Pat McAfee]

Basically. Brine is like what you use for like chickens and turkeys when you're cooking and make it more flavorful in the crusty skin before this.

[Boston Connor]

Finally something good coming from.

[Pat McAfee]

Laughs okay. No, that's what I'm saying. Can we get. That's what I'm saying. That isn't what happened though. I think they just put salt water for a while. Yeah. Yeah. It's been a long time. Ocean. The ocean actually started this entire thing. So Brian is a scoop of ocean water put in there and said we figured it out. Out. That's what they're saying. Yeah. Okay, great. So I didn't know that until obviously this.

[AJ Hawk]

There we go. Before. How long does that last? To where? Like if the. Let's say 24 hours from now, it's still there.

[Pat McAfee]

Don't you think there should be some spray that we've already created?

[AQ Shipley]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

Should there not be some spray that we've already. And I'm bummed out that it take took me this long to think about growing up in all cold climates. And you just get that salt out. Here we go. Go put the salt out there. Make sure you do it. And you put it out there. Like this is not gonna do shit. If it really comes. It's gonna beat this. Okay. Maybe if it is a very, very, very light snow light situation. You'll see the little hole where the salt dehydrates and removes the water so it isn't able to work. But other than that, you just got a bunch of salt on your shit and there's snow and ice on top of it. And when you're shoveling it, you're actually trying to pick the frozen ass SM off of the cement. I mean, every year we do it. We do it every year since what, the beginning of time. We think that that's gonna work. It ain't.

[Boston Connor]

Remember the flash freeze last year? That didn't work at all.

[Pat McAfee]

No, they literally sprayed, dropped it down to negative 10. And then just Mother Nature sprayed water over the entire Midwest. It was just a flash freeze over everything. They're like, don't move. If you have the capability of not moving, you should do that. You walk outside. It's an ice rink. You take your car outside. You know, they say like black ice, the ice that just kind of blends in with the cement that you can't see whole. Every road is like. That's basically what they've said. How have we not created something that is able to stop that from happening? I'm legitimately.

[AJ Hawk]

We gotta heat the roads. We gotta lay the piping and run that liquid through there and heat the roads. Unfortunately, there's millions of miles.

[Pat McAfee]

Miles. Yeah. I'm sure that we'll be able to figure that out from a budget situation. Got a lot of money going to a lot of places. I haven't heard one person say, you know what, let's make a better road system in America.

[Ty Schmidt]

Infrastructure too. Like, that wouldn't take any time or anything. You just dig up every road and highway in the United States, put some hot piping underneath.

[Pat McAfee]

And all the companies that would get those contracts, they're very efficient and good.

[Ty Schmidt]

Without a doubt.

[Pat McAfee]

And they want to get it done quickly and right.

[Ty Schmidt]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

They don't want to get it wrong. So then they get high hired again. And they also don't want to take forever, so they get paid for longer. We haven't rewarded a poor system for the beginning. Since the beginning of time. This entire thing. Yeah. That's not what they want to do. They want to get it done quick and 100. Right. So you never have to fix it again. Exactly.

[Boston Connor]

This is a good idea.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Michael Cole]

Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

I mean, we've created enough stuff in labs. I mean, you would think that they'd be able to figure this out or something.

[AJ Hawk]

Like what?

[AQ Shipley]

You tell me.

[AJ Hawk]

There's a lot of stuff created in labs, right? Medicine. Medicine for people.

[Pat McAfee]

Some people go into the lab.

[Darius Butler]

Good thing.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Bomb.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Great. Jumpers.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Great. Jumpers are created in the lab, make.

[Ty Schmidt]

Beats in the lab.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Songs get leaked and they say they came from soup or something.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah. Like. Like new music.

[Pat McAfee]

You remember when that was the topic of conversation? That was awesome. We had Covid 18 on show one time.

[Ty Schmidt]

We did.

[Pat McAfee]

It was a bat.

[Boston Connor]

Younger brother, do you know that.

[Pat McAfee]

That I didn't look bad. Was worth a watch. That one's worth a watch. Just like. I think yesterday's Hulkster press conference. Worth a rewatch.

[Boston Connor]

So good.

[Pat McAfee]

Gems.

[Boston Connor]

So good. It holds up.

[Pat McAfee]

It certainly holds. Up. It certainly does. Speaking of holding up, let's talk about the super wild card weekend. Obviously a lot of conversation this week is about people getting fired and who's going to end up where. Pete Carroll maybe back in the NFL with the Chicago Bears. Okay, how about the Rooney Rule up there in New England? What are we doing? We making a mockery out of this entire thing or what's the deal? Mike Vrabel heading up there. We think the New York Jets, Brook Johnson's not making any decisions. Okay. We got other people to do that. Tannenbaum and the 33rd team, they're interviewing everybody. New Orleans Saints obviously have to figure it out. The Las Vegas Raiders have to get it figured out. That's kind of been the topic of discussion around the NFL this particular week. Aside from like Tyree Kill saying give me the hell out of my hand Miami and some of the other stuff. Let's talk about what's happening this weekend. Massive weekend Saturday. Chargers, Texans, Pittsburgh Steelers, Baltimore Ravens. Absolute clashes of Titans there to kick off super wild card weekend. And then you got Broncos, Bills, Packers, Eagles is Jalen hurts gonna practice today? What's Jalen hurts his brain looking like right now. We get an answer. Everybody's got eyes on whether or not the Eagles will have their starting quarterback or not. Taking on a Green Bay packers team that hasn't been playing fantastic but is young and certainly capable of winning against anybody. And then commanders Buccaneers are the nightcap there. Baker Mayfield in prime time. That's going to be a blast. And now Monday night super wild card weekend wraps up in Los Angeles, which right now. Oh yeah, tease and pees to everybody over there.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh yeah, scary.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, I saw some horror film like videos coming out.

[AJ Hawk]

People trapped with no no way to stop anything.

[Pat McAfee]

100 mile an hour winds are saying just spraying these fires all over Southern California.

[AJ Hawk]

How'd they start? Do we know how they started?

[Pat McAfee]

I sure something will come out about a spark happening somewhere and then all of a sudden one thing leads to another. They haven't had enough rain. Maybe dryness. That's kind of seemingly the answer all the time. And everybody's just like okay because we don't know enough about it. I didn't grow up in fire areas. Canada has a lot of big time fires every single year feels like. And then there's fire season and California as well. Used to be Northern California I think. And then now it's dropped into Southern California over the last couple years. The Sunset Boulevard yesterday just cars were just abandoned. Like hundreds of cars were Just abandoned because the fires were getting so crazy and people were sprinting trying to run away from it down the middle of Southern California. And then I think there's videos of people in these houses in the hills with fires completely around them and not able to exit. And it's like what the hell are these people going to do? Aaron was supposed to come on today. He has no power. He's in the middle of it. He said he has friends and neighbors that have lost everything from these fires gone just in a matter of one day worth of fires taking place up out of nowhere. So obviously positive thoughts and prayers to all of Southern California right now as you guys are battling through these crazy, I mean these are, this is horror film type stuff coming out with these fires.

[Boston Connor]

Very small problem in relation to all that. But you would think that might actually affect the game. Like they might have to move it because that's not a complete dome. So if the air quality in LA is not good, that's getting in to SOFI because it's not completely covered. So you would think they might actually consider.

[Pat McAfee]

And the way we learned about the air quality index is because Canadian fires having so much smog, they were coming down to Indianapolis and into Ohio was taking over. I couldn't even imagine if it was in the ballpark or the neighborhood of the stadium. Certainly gonna have to keep eyes on that. But also positive T's and peas to everybody over there. I couldn't even fathom having to make. Make a lot of decisions that you're having to make. Yeah. What do you save? What are we keeping? What are we grabbing? What are we not grabbing?

[AJ Hawk]

For real, what do you take with you if you are able to get out?

[Pat McAfee]

And it's all having to happen like this because it's 100 mile an hour winds gusting these things. So they're just like really far away. And then because all you need is just what one little spark or two to get spread in the place and then just kind of builds. It's like worst case scenario happening over there. And then I, I saw, I, I reposted a post last night. Night they're asking for like firefighters volunteer to volunteer. Not professional firefighters and volunteer firefighters to basically volunteer their time to come over there because they don't have enough firefighters right now to kind of combat everything that's taking place. It's like I had uncle, I have family that is, that are firefighters. It's like absolute badass. Have to have a certain mentality obviously to sprint towards problems every time you work you are going into a nightmare situation and trying to, you know, make the most of it and put it out and fight and wrangle everything that's taking place. So I have nothing but respect for firefighters. But over there, they're saying, hey, we are out. We are out. Flanked by. These are. We don't have enough for it. So I think they're asking for help over there. And then obviously everything gets political at the end of the day. And obviously that's going to continue to, to burn through these conversations. But we hope you're okay over there. Hey, we're pulling for you. Scary Terry.

[AJ Hawk]

I got two former teammates that are volunteer firefighters in Boise and Northern Cal, so I, I need to reach out. They probably going over there.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I think this is like all hands on deck type situation taking place. You know, it is crazy. Smoke jumpers just now that I have a daughter. You know, you think about that.

[Darius Butler]

We were just there, too.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, that's what's crazy.

[Darius Butler]

Like, just there.

[Ty Schmidt]

And it was the Pasadena fire chief who was the one who said, like, this is the worst case scenario. Like, we're in it right now.

[Pat McAfee]

I did see that President Biden had to cancel his event out there because of the fires and everything like that. So we almost weren't able to take off because it was shut down for his arrival. And it's like that's how close Gumpy and I were to being, I mean, so lucky. Lucky that we are legit in nothing but T's and peas. But anyways, Vikings Rams wraps up super wild card weekend. I mean, we've got some great games. AJ which game are you looking forward to most and why, pal?

[AJ Hawk]

Man, I mean, so I played for the packers for nine years, so I, I definitely pay attention to what they do. I am curious about that Packers Eagles games game. Obviously, I want to see Jalen hurts. How is this guy doing? I heard he's supposed to be available for practice today, right? Isn't that the news?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I, I, I don't know.

[AJ Hawk]

Yes, I read something that he's, he's available for. They think he's going to be available for practice. So whenever that, whatever time. Here we go.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

210 is Eagles practice.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. This is a timeline here that was tweeted out. I did not read what you said about him being available. I've not heard any of that. I've only heard still in protocol. You saw. Okay, that's great news for, I think NFL fans as a whole. You know, seeing starting quarterback for a team that's in playoffs, especially the Philadelphia Eagles. It's great for Eagles fans. It's great for Nick Sirianni, definitely. Okay. It is great for Nick Sirianni that he'll be playing in there. So you pay attention to the packers because you were there. I think they're also a fun team to watch, you know, very young. Very, very young team. Are they a year or two away? I think a lot of people just assume that, but you can make a massive win on wild card weekend if you're able to go into Philadelphia.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, I mean, last year they were the seventh seed, and, you know, that was like, the Cowboys going in were. Were very hot. Their offense looked great, and they absolutely dismantled them in Dallas. But it's one of those things. I think they're kind of. They're playing with house money, with how young they are and everything, and everyone maybe think you, you know, six weeks ago or five weeks ago, everyone was kind of circling them, saying, hey, the way these. This team plays, they could be a team that if they play their best, like, they could beat anybody. But they're so inconsistent that they could also lose to anybody. So we'll see. I think you're going in with house money. And, you know that first game of the season when they played the Eagles in Brazil, I don't think you can take much from that because the playing surface was weird. Love got hurt. Jalen hurts looked really bad.

[Pat McAfee]

And.

[Ty Schmidt]

And, you know, the Eagles defense wasn't what it is now then, so. We'll see. I mean, I don't know. I think. I think that should be a very good game.

[AJ Hawk]

Jordan loves hand. Do we know?

[Boston Connor]

Sorry?

[AJ Hawk]

How's Jordan Love's hand? Remember he lost feeling in it last time?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

I mean, he said in the presser basically, like, hey, non issue.

[Pat McAfee]

Like, I'm gonna be playing Christian Watson, though, right?

[Ty Schmidt]

Torres, acl. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. So there he. That does suck. T's and peas. I think at this stage of an ACL tear with rehab surgery, they're saying potentially missing beginning of next season as well over there.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, I mean, I. I don't. I would assume that that could be the last time we see him play as a Packer. We'll see.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Damn.

[Darius Butler]

Year four already?

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, three or four, but just. I don't. He's. You know, we'll see. I don't know. He gets hurt a lot. That's kind of the thing is he's not. He's not available.

[Pat McAfee]

Godseed on the recovery. There's a couple games on Saturday. I'm Interested by you talk about what happened last year with the packers in the playoffs, last year with the Texans in the playoffs, they had a massive win when nobody thought they were going to be able to do that. They're too young. They're not able to kind of hang. Here's what CJ Stroud had to say about the, you know, the naysayers saying that this particular team ain't gonna be able to get it done in the playoffs, even playing bad. Yeah, I mean, noise is always gonna be there. You know, it's always, you know, it's part of sports, always evident in the sport. And they said the same thing about.

[Michael Cole]

Us last year, you know, so playing the Browns, and I'm not saying this.

[Pat McAfee]

Last year, but, you know, we went out there and we did what we had to do to win.

[Michael Cole]

And that's ultimately what the playoffs come.

[Pat McAfee]

Down to is like, you know, it's 14 teams now and, you know, the microscope is on you. You know, we're the first team to kick it off with the Chargers.

[Michael Cole]

And, you know, so everybody has their.

[Pat McAfee]

Own opinions, which they're entitled to have those things.

[Michael Cole]

So, you know, I really don't mind.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean, it's part of it.

[Michael Cole]

You know, guys are smart.

[Pat McAfee]

They probably can see film and see they. That, you know, whatever they want to see. So. And for us, we know, we have faith in what we can do and know, you know, that we're motivated to play. I kind of like being underdog. I've been underdog a lot of my.

[Michael Cole]

Life in my career, so it's actually comfortable for me.

[Pat McAfee]

So. But, yeah, I don't really think too much. He looked a little bummed out at the beginning of that answer. I hadn't heard him talk in a while. He looked a little bummed out at the beginning, and then he showed that incredible moxie that we've come to absolutely love about C.J. stroud. You know, the Chargers are a team that I think a lot of people think is dangerous. You know, they're a tough team. And we talked to Coach Harbaugh. He said they need one more game. One more game, that final game to get their maximum toughness level that they need to be at for the playoffs, you know, and they beat the hell out of the Raiders and they continue to roll, and they're obviously momentum and everything is very high. Texans lose Aziz Al Shayer, right, because of an altercation on the field. He hasn't been playing for the last three weeks. They haven't looked their best, even though they get a Massive win over the Titans last week of the season. It's like if they were able to piece it together, they're a team. They've had some injuries, but Nico back is a huge deal. And then the Chargers, they're a hot football team. They are a hot football team, a physical team. They have everything you need to win in the playoffs. I'm excited about this one then. Steelers, Ravens, AFC north match up there. Nine and a half point spread for Steelers, Ravens and they know a lot about each other. Mike Tomlin took practice today from the practice practice facility down to the stadium. I can't wait to see on Hard Knocks next Tuesday. Just like a great Hard Knocks episode last night. Congrats to NFL Films continuing to crush it on the inside in the season. AFC North. There were some interesting situations as seasons came to an end for some teams with how they have to handle it behind the scenes. But it's like the Ravens, Steelers seemingly always close. Steelers defense, Tomlin, pretty good handle on how to play against this Baltimore Ravens team. Team. You remember the record that Lamar had against the NFC was like 29:1 or something like that? Yeah, I forget it was. And that's because those NFC teams only see him like once every five. They haven't had to face and feel Lamar Jackson. So I think, you know, Lamar tries to not make a big deal of it, but if you look at it from a football standpoint, it's because they haven't had to prepare or play against somebody like Lamar Jackson. And all of a sudden you get on the field and it's like, holy, he's faster than I thought he was. Holy. They're more physical than I thought they were going to be. Holy. Holy shit. He can throw the ball better than I thought he was going to be able to do. And then once halftime comes, you're trying to make adjustments and then you only got two quarters to try to catch up and boom, you inevitably lose that game. Pittsburgh Steelers have had to play Lamar Jackson since jump two times a year. Mike Tomlin, defensive coach, feels like he has a good grasp on it. Let's head over to hammer.todd. nine and a half's a lot of points, Tone, but it sounds like you guys have no hope in the Steelers team anyways.

[Hammer Don]

It is a, it's a ton of. It's a ton of a point. Especially actually in this rivalry. To your point, I believe Lamar is 3 and 5 against the Steelers. Obviously got that win the night that we called Ohio State and Tennessee. And that was a, that was a 17. 17 game. Obviously, Russ fumbles on the goal line going in and then throws a pick six to make it 24 17. That was basically all she wrote in that one. But these teams have basically been trending in two different directions. The Ravens are as hot as hot can be. In the Steelers, not so much.

[Pat McAfee]

I've looked.

[Hammer Don]

I've looked a bit.

[Pat McAfee]

We're not living in our fears, are we? Yeah. Yeah.

[Hammer Don]

Not me. Not me. Not me. Living in my fears. They haven't won a playoff game since the 2017 AFC Championship when they lost to the Patriots. They've lost five straight playoff games. To say they need this one is big. But I said the other day, like, if the roles were reversed, let's say the Ravens had lost four coming in and the Steelers were as hot as the Ravens were and all that stuff, I would not want to play the Ravens to all your points because these teams match up so well against each other. They play each other so much. Third time playing this season. It's not the game that I would want in the first round. And super wild card weekend.

[Pat McAfee]

If you're the Ravens, you're saying if the roles are reversed, you would not want this particular game. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Say Flowers.

[AJ Hawk]

It's good to be an underdog in the playoffs, I think.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Nine and a half.

[Pat McAfee]

I think it's just.

[AJ Hawk]

Nine and a half is a lot. Nine and a half is a lot. But it. That one win, if you're an underdog and you go on the road and you win that first game, like, that can flip everything for you.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Momentum, you, you. You name it. I mean, you can. But think about the stories of last year. That Houston team getting a win was so surprising, and I think it propelled into an offseason going like, yeah, super bowl pick. This is the team. If the Steelers beat the Ravens. Not saying that's going to happen. I love the Ravens. The Ravens are expensive for us. We've had to donate $100,000 down to two different charities because a couple of the boys and her team are obviously absolute dogs. Did you know Mark Andrews has to check his blood. Blood sugar level after he comes off the field every single time?

[Ty Schmidt]

Crazy.

[AQ Shipley]

Saw that today.

[Pat McAfee]

That was on Hard Knocks.

[AQ Shipley]

On Hard Knocks.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I mean, that's just an added thing into your life that you have to deal with and monitor every single day. So adding that type 1 diabetes, no joke. Well, I was very lucky that we got a chance to donate to that and also learn more about that entire disease. Yeah, I don't. I don't Want to. Yeah. Okay. I mean, everybody's. We got a way to beat it, but it's a lot. Got to monitor that thing. And then Kyle Van Noy having a career year right now at this stage of it all. I loved Baltimore Ravens, but if the Steelers win this one, now all of a sudden, Russell Wilson contract conversation takes place, what's next year look like? We got to hang on. We just want a playoff game. They lose this game, it's going to be like, that didn't work. That's what Yanzer is going to be like. That didn't work. Tom was got go trade his ass. Yeah, they're talking about trade them. Trade them out of here. We need to rebuild this entire thing. And it's. It's a while. Because Gumpy and I are saying the same things. These Steelers fans. It's like, you're in the playoffs, like, you should be pumped. And Steelers fans are like, we're always in the playoffs.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, they always do this.

[Pat McAfee]

We always are in the playoffs. We're always good. We're always grasping, never grabbing. You see, we're always taking reservation, never holding reservation. We're always close, but we're never going to be there. And it's very obvious, right, Nick, Is that not how you Steelers fans feel? That is how a lot of people see it.

[AQ Shipley]

And it's interesting because you look back at the beginning of the year, I.

[Pat McAfee]

Don'T think anyone had them. I don't think anyone projecting the Steelers to be in the playoffs this year, let alone 10 and three halfway through the season. So expectations changed once they got rolling, and then it became, oh, here we go again, same old thing. They're in this mode where they're trying.

[AQ Shipley]

To reload and retool.

[Pat McAfee]

And they've got a young offensive line. They've got some guys on the defense that are getting older now, but the offense is younger and it's up and coming. They just need to find the quarterback to kind of bring everything together. Russ Fields looked like that guy.

[Hammer Don]

Really.

[Pat McAfee]

Then they make the switch to Russ. He goes on a little bit of a run. And then these last four games have kind of just got everyone feeling the same old blues like they've had the past couple years.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah. And kind of the opposite. The other big spread is Bill's Brock Broncos, where, like the Broncos, Sean Payton, they've played all the good teams pretty close, almost beat the Chiefs, and they feel hot and they feel like, yeah, they're kind of coming in. Had to win to get in. It wasn't like they were screwing around. Dismantle the Chiefs. And granted, that was not the Chiefs. That was a, you know, second team for the most part, across the board. But like, that, if I'm the Bills, that's not really the team you'd want to play going into, you know, at home. And granted, they got like a bi week. Like, you could say most of their players sat out as well against the Patriots. But, like, that's a team with the Broncos that could easily sneak up on you.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't. I am now, granted. I guess we got to watch how it all turns out and who plays what and how everybody plays. I am a huge believer in being hot going into the playoffs. Even that last game. That last game, even if it means nothing, I am a huge believer. And that's just me as somebody that has to talk about these things every single day. I don't feel good about some teams, and I feel great about some teams. That might not mean whenever they end up playing each other, but there's like some teams I feel very. The Broncos are one of them, especially with what they just did. And then you wonder about the Chiefs. It's like, did the Chiefs. Are the Chiefs going to be okay? Like, you lose 38 nothing or whatever. And it's like, are the Chiefs going to be okay? It's like, yeah, they're going to be a okay. But right now, in the moment, how you feel about teams is certainly a part of it as you try to project what the hell is going to happen. Buffalo Bills have been a wagon all year. We assume they'll continue. We assume Josh Allen will somehow get faster over the break. We assume their defense will be able to get healthier. I. I assume that all these teams that did it the way Philadelphia Eagles, I assume they're going to play great even though they, you know, didn't go for the record and everything like that. Some of their fans are very pissed off about that.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, understandably.

[Pat McAfee]

Tell me something, girl. The hell are we doing?

[Ty Schmidt]

Not happy.

[AQ Shipley]

What would you have done?

[Darius Butler]

Lose. Lose.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm putting them out there. Me too. First half, get.

[AJ Hawk]

Put him in the first half.

[AQ Shipley]

Try and get 100 in the first half and then shut it down, Right?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Just to. Just to see if he could get it.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, just to see if he could get it. Because I think the offensive line, Warren too, I.

[AQ Shipley]

The O line coach more than anything, in my opinion, like that, that. That speaks volumes. Like Jeff Stoutland, he gets a ton of praise because of how good he's been for the last 10 years. But like that's a pretty cool thing. Hey, I coached the offensive line that broke the rush rushing record.

[Pat McAfee]

So in a lot of his yards, I think he's breaking a lot of other teams franchise records in yards before contact. Yeah, I think there is. I think it'd be leading third leading rusher I think this year with yards in the second half. Right. And then also I think yards before contact, I think he would be like top five or top six rusher crazy in the league right now. So the offensive line is obviously doing a phenomenal job. I say that I would do it. That is also as somebody who would never be a head coach of a team and I understand where Sirianni had to make the decision where it's like if we play Saquon, we got to play our offensive line, we got to play all our guys. If any of them get hurt and we lose, I'm going to get get.

[Darius Butler]

This dumbass crucified killed.

[AQ Shipley]

I'm also.

[Pat McAfee]

But you can't live in your fears. This is once again living in your fears. But the reality is sometimes your fears become reality, nightmares become Today if Saquon or anybody got hurt, it would be Sirianni's the dumbest son of a bitch that has ever held a whistle, had a visor on, has ever been a head coach. But with that being said, you break that record. Think about the vibes right now. Yeah, think about the vibes right now for Philadelphia. You are on an all time high instead of I wanted to do it, I didn't want to do it. It's just like anything to keep vibes high, I think is what I would do. D Buch, I think you're saying rest and not do it.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, I mean running back, you know, he's had what, over 300 carries this year? Like you get enough. What was their bye week? They had an early bye week, I think. So you kind of been humming along. Like you get an extra bye week for your guys O line. Like even not, let's say Saquon made it out, but let's say you lose Elaine Johnson or one of those all pro tackles. Like I couldn't do it. You know, you got. You gotta rest your guys.

[Pat McAfee]

It would be tough. It would certainly be tough. And we will continue this particular program on YouTube, ESPN Plus Disney plus, which I've seen it on there, have have forgotten to say but is a massive deal. And then on TikTok Live, which I think is going to continue, which is good news, we will have our Award season. The trenches will be given out and the all everything DB team will be announced. And before we get off espn, I have a question from Shane Gillis to Connor. UGA beat Texas twice. Why is Texas OSU the title game?

[Boston Connor]

I'm sorry, it should. Hey, look, we've seen it in Ohio State. Right now is rolling. And you know, to Shane Gillis, unfortunately, you know, Notre Dame, they're just not what they used to be.

[AQ Shipley]

Shane get them.

[Pat McAfee]

And that's what he's saying. Yeah, we ain't. We're brand new.

[AJ Hawk]

They're better.

[Pat McAfee]

We'll continue on the Internet. We'll see you tomorrow. Live from Miami. Almost forgot about that. We are to be live in Miami. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Crazy.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. What's the deal? I heard it's not hot.

[AQ Shipley]

60.

[Darius Butler]

Perfect 60.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, my God.

[Boston Connor]

Screaming about 60.

[Pat McAfee]

What are you talking about?

[Ty Schmidt]

75 would be nice. 60s, you know, whatever. We can go to anywhere and get 60. Not here, except for here. But you get it. It's Miami. It should be 75.

[Pat McAfee]

No, this is like first day of spring. It's 55 degree. Everybody's got the tops off. Everybody's having a good time. That's what it's going to feel like.

[Ty Schmidt]

It is going to feel. Feel like it's 90.

[Pat McAfee]

Exactly. You're gonna get down to the 50s, though, at night, right? Is what.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 50s. Maybe high 40s, like Arizona, you know.

[Pat McAfee]

I think I'm going down there full Cubano. That's honestly the best way. Just look. Button up too. Yeah, I think so. I think I'm going Cubano down there for the Orange Bowl. And I think you got to let me pay respects to the don.

[Darius Butler]

Right?

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe I dress up like Pitbull. That's not a great idea. Yes.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, my gosh. Get one of those. Make it like super Hollywood.

[AJ Hawk]

John Stamos did that. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Will he be in attendance?

[Ty Schmidt]

John Stamos, Pitbull.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I don't think he ever leaves that stadium anymore. No, he's worldwide. Wow.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Pitbull's awesome, man. I saw him perform at a private, like a charity event. That dude kills. Every song's a hit too, with it always. Every song has like another huge star with him. And there. It's always a hit.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I think that's one of those concerts. What were those? The battles. Music battles versus the verses. There were some of those where names were mentioned and you're like, that catalog ain't gonna be able to keep up with that catalog. And then the Internet Immediately goes, you remember this? You remember this. You're reminded of how many bangers somebody has. Pitbull. I think we all forget how many Pitbulls got. And then Flo Rider Tall. I thought I saw Flow Rider the other night at the Raw Career on Netflix. Oh, I was looking over, I'm like, is that Flow Runner? And I was about. I was about to go over and be like, hey, thank you for everything you did. You brought some real heat into my life for a long time. But you're right, Pitbull. I think there's a lot of songs that Pitbull has that once he plays it, people be like, oh, I forgot about this. And you got to do this.

[Darius Butler]

It's another guy like that who flies in ludicrous.

[Pat McAfee]

Luda.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, like when people mention like, oh, then you start going through that catalog and the bangers. He had, like international bangers.

[Ty Schmidt]

Great actor too, cuz he's not ludicrous anymore. Yeah, he's Chris Bridges now.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, he started as dj. Always ludicrous.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, he said that. Said I'm not ludicrous anymore. I'm Chris Brid.

[AJ Hawk]

I didn't know that.

[Ty Schmidt]

I'm an actor.

[Pat McAfee]

There was a time there where I don't like that.

[Darius Butler]

I don't love it.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, Luda, that's a good name. Come on. Luda. I agree. It's a great name and he could do that. But we need to make sure Luda still exists. Okay. Because Luda needs to come out every couple years and make a banger. There was a while there where Atlanta had. Oh, yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

On everything. Yeah. You know, I mean, that was good times back there. Outkast, I think, kind of kicked it off for the whole world. I know Atlanta people would probably tell me there's a lot more history behind before, Outcast, everything like that. But I think they Stankoni and just. They were the ones that propelled it. And then all of a sudden, I thought I was from Atlanta for a while there. I mean, me, little John T. I was getting after. And then Jeezy comes in. It's like, oh, my. I'm Atlanta. I think I'm from Atlanta. And then all of a sudden, you know, Miami starts cooking. You know, that was high school. Rick Ross came in every day. I mean, that was. Just Took over the world. 50 out of new York. Yep. Get rich or die trying. Then he got this old white guy from Detroit coming in here. And then the west coast, obviously always had it. It was like, that was a fun time, great time. That Was a fun time to kind of come, come up through it all. Pitbull never got his. Never got his respect in that entire conversation.

[Boston Connor]

No, we're gonna give it to him.

[Pat McAfee]

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[Darius Butler]

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[Pat McAfee]

Listen wherever you get your podcasts. Ah, football is amazing. That's AJ Hawk. He's won a lot of awards including Father of the Year and Dad of the year.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

Nice man. Congratulations, aj. We're proud of you, buddy. That's. That's something you should be incredibly proud of alongside the college football national championship, the super bowl championship that you have the talks at table here and they just win every day of life at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt.

[Ty Schmidt]

Especially with that this empty can of ice cold real American beer. Yeah, it was delicious.

[Pat McAfee]

I didn't know you put that down, you rural American with that thing, huh?

[Ty Schmidt]

Well, you got to be. I mean this is a light beer brewed in the usa Cuz you are.

[Pat McAfee]

A real American drinking on real American got booed out of la. But if you drink the beer, you'll say it's great.

[Ty Schmidt]

And it is great. It's pretty damn good.

[Pat McAfee]

Nice. Hulster's. Not one.

[Ty Schmidt]

Hookster's got one. He did it.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm. I'm proud of you. Aren't we all kind of proud of Tai?

[Boston Connor]

Absolutely. Only drank one.

[Pat McAfee]

That's right.

[Ty Schmidt]

I'm not saying I wouldn't drink, you know, six or seven more, but I'm just saying I can stop at once.

[Pat McAfee]

It's a Wednesday.

[Ty Schmidt]

Exactly. And it's 2:10pm Now.

[Pat McAfee]

You thought about cracking that thing open 9:30am I think that was a. I.

[Ty Schmidt]

Thought we were all going to. Cuz we all had, you know, ice cold real American beers at our stations. Because Debone, you know, was on the road until 3:30am last night, kind of driving around the. The entire Midwest trying to.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh no, no, he wasn't boozing. He was driving for the booze. Exactly, exactly. So I thought we were cracking.

[Ty Schmidt]

I thought we were all doing it. Will and behold, you know, cracking open a beer at 9:30am on a Wednesday isn't exactly what you want to be Doing.

[Pat McAfee]

I, I do think the response you thought you were going to get from the group was going to be different whenever you said so. Are we drinking these right now? Now?

[Ty Schmidt]

I thought that was the plan and.

[Pat McAfee]

Everybody just looked over. I think there was a lot of people looked at their phones real quick. It's 9:30 time. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

I mean, it's a, it's a single light beer. It's basically like drinking a 12 ounce glass of water.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, and that's same.

[Darius Butler]

Same thing.

[Ty Schmidt]

All right, maybe what are we talking about here? I'm not saying, hey, let's do a case race right now, but that's what.

[Pat McAfee]

We thought it would turn into. And we thought it would turn into, you know, little willpower power, because that is a real American beer. Yeah. And you certainly enjoyed it. I didn't know you made it disappear so quickly. I'm proud of you.

[Ty Schmidt]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Pat McAfee]

2025. What a year.

[Boston Connor]

Unbelievable year growing up.

[Pat McAfee]

That's an o the mentalist type move right there. Truly, that was magical. Did you just stop that thing? Let's open up the water.

[Ty Schmidt]

Pretty simple, you know. Now again, after the show, if there's a, I don't know, a couple loose cans hanging around, I might find them knows. But, but no, you know, during the show. We got a job to do.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And you won't, you won't drink a drive. Obviously somebody drive you home after you have a couple real American beers, which everybody should do. I saw, I saw somebody just driving with a bottle right in between their legs the other night. I'm like, wow, 2025 is. 2025 is going back. Old school.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Nine year NFL vet Darius J. Butler, DeButch. We are, I'd say, 10 minutes away from you debuting. You're all everything. DBT.

[Darius Butler]

Can't wait.

[Pat McAfee]

Highly anticipated. Yes. Highly regarded.

[Darius Butler]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

High pressure selections were made by you. Do you feel good about the final five or you trying to make a change maybe before we make this happen?

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, maybe a change.

[Darius Butler]

No, no, I feel great. I feel great about final five. And look, there are plenty of great DBs littered around the national football league. But, you know, only, only five can make it. And I'm proud of these guys. They did the hard work. I just had to wash tape.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, well, before we get to.

[Darius Butler]

The office, love what we did with the set too, during the break.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. It's award season. Great.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You kind of sense it. Can't you mix it up? Look, we added a bill.

[Boston Connor]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

We added, we added a bill McComas to the set. Look at that.

[Boston Connor]

That's cool.

[AJ Hawk]

Hey, Bill.

[Pat McAfee]

Everybody wants to kind of come in and experience awards season. Bill's absolutely jocked, by the way. He's been working out at a bodybuilding gym here in town. Down. That's right. Just so everybody knows that.

[AQ Shipley]

I love that.

[Boston Connor]

It's nuts.

[Pat McAfee]

He's gonna walk in here doing one of those peacock poses.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

One of those things. He's like, what have you guys been doing in a hawk house, boys?

[Boston Connor]

Look at my back.

[Pat McAfee]

I've been in 24.7jam, which is where he is actually going to. He's got 4am workouts with some of these dudes.

[Ty Schmidt]

Bill's an absolute unit, so that does not surprise.

[AQ Shipley]

Hell of a mustache right now.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, great mustache. Strong. Yeah. This is his face. This is how his face should be, we think, going forward. But he's the pants that he used to wear. I don't think he's gonna be able to wear much longer. He's getting. He's getting massive. He's getting very, very jocked.

[Darius Butler]

Not skipping leg day either.

[Ty Schmidt]

No carbo loading as well. With this bucket of slop. It's back bucket of slot.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I saw that.

[AJ Hawk]

I saw that when I was there.

[Pat McAfee]

He.

[AJ Hawk]

He walked by me after he heated it up.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

I mean, Bill is all in.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. This is Bill's life.

[Boston Connor]

Farts that come with that.

[Pat McAfee]

These body. Exactly. Yeah. And we have dove now, but that ain't gonna say from what's cooking inside of Bill's guts with what he's been eating. So he's obviously getting a diet, a nutrition plan from some of these bodybuilders, I think. So the bucket of slop that you're referring to is just like, I need this many milligrams of this. I need this many milligrams of this. And he just finds whatever. Chicken, Duck.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yep. Geese probably name it.

[Pat McAfee]

Did you see over there, the pigeon that was plucked up and then taken into the. Did you see this? I did not know.

[AJ Hawk]

What do you mean?

[Pat McAfee]

Did it make it in your algorithm?

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, yeah. I saw it.

[Pat McAfee]

Be eating anything from any of the. The carts in New York City.

[Boston Connor]

No way.

[Pat McAfee]

The what? The. Like the cart. The bodega? Is that what they're called?

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, I love those places.

[Pat McAfee]

Me too. I actually get stuff from them because I. Yeah, absolutely.

[AJ Hawk]

I get gyros all day. Chicken. Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

It's not what you just said. What you just said.

[AJ Hawk]

What do you call it?

[Pat McAfee]

I call it pigeon because I think that's what it is. I think that's what? I don't know of them. Obviously.

[AJ Hawk]

Halal stand.

[Pat McAfee]

The who? Halal stand.

[Hammer Don]

H A, L, A, L. Okay, so.

[Pat McAfee]

What are they giving out over there?

[Ty Schmidt]

Like, chicken on rice?

[Michael Cole]

With what?

[Pat McAfee]

Once again, it's not chicken. Well, yeah, in this case, it appears that it was not chicken. How many Halal stands are there in New York City, you think? Thousands. Okay, so what I saw from that one, I shouldn't just assume is all of them. Well, I don't know. I mean, that seemed pretty natural for the guy. I will say they did. I don't know if he comes from another Halal stand tree where they kind of are taught the ways of how to go about doing this. This guy walks right out of his little camper here. This one here. Give me that little. Give me that. Good catch, by the way. Had to have great speed. Pigeons are an incredibly intelligent species. Obviously got to be fake. Gotta be fake.

[Boston Connor]

No, that's a daily catch, brother.

[Pat McAfee]

He walks right in there. Now, that might be his meal. I don't know if it's everybody else's meal, but he's walking right in that thing. So let's keep our eyes peeled, you know, whenever we're doing whatever. Whatever we're doing. But that showed up in my algorithm. I'm like, I don't want to see this. No. I want to go get a pigeon and rice without knowing it. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, that's fresh catch. I mean, he's basically fishing off the coast of Florida. When you're thinking about it and you're getting fish, but in this case, it's chicken.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I'm sure there's a reason why we eat yard instead of city bird. But there. There has to be some sort of conversation out there.

[Boston Connor]

Diseases.

[Darius Butler]

Who makes a rule what we can and can't eat?

[Pat McAfee]

Well, I now heard. Well, that's a whole nother conversation there, because that Fear Factor show really opened my eyes to what people were eating out there. I saw Joe Rogan. Didn't know he'd become the most powerful person.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

In the world. Yeah. One of them. He was a great host. I thought he was. He had great. He was a great host in that particular show. And whenever. Like, this is a delicacy in country that I knew of and was, like, potentially gonna try travel to. It's like, wow, people eat some weird out there. There's some weird stuff out there, but who. They probably say weeds. Very weird.

[Boston Connor]

No.

[AQ Shipley]

What? There's nothing weird in the U.S. right? I mean, the thing you're talking about, like, all types where are we in that?

[Pat McAfee]

North Carolina. Yeah. Real Xavier Leggett actually brought some in. It was like. I saw that it was like shredded. I didn't. I didn't expect the sh.

[AJ Hawk]

Good either.

[Pat McAfee]

Didn't look bad. I did not expect it to be shredded though. I think that was because it was like a blob. A ball. You kind of eat a blob here of raccoon. It's like, all right, let's go ahead and do it. And then his accent obviously makes it even better. I think it comes with the server. You know, when you're eating at a restaurant, that type of thing kind of comes in there. So I assume there's people that think some of our stuff's weird. I. I do wonder about the. There it is. You want to talk about slop that looks like.

[AJ Hawk]

Doesn't look as good as I.

[Pat McAfee]

Doesn't look as good as the burger. That is absolute shite.

[Boston Connor]

RFK ain't letting.

[AQ Shipley]

That looks delicious.

[Pat McAfee]

Who is that dude that used to travel around and do the food?

[Boston Connor]

Adam Bourdain.

[Pat McAfee]

Bourdain.

[Ty Schmidt]

Zim Zimmerman did the weird though.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, he did the records.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, yeah, no, no, that was Adam Richmond.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, Shout out to Adam Richmond. Man versus food. Is him the Adam who?

[Ty Schmidt]

Zimmerman.

[AQ Shipley]

Andrew. Andrew Zimmerman.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, bald headed guy, kind of round. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

And he'd do like the. Eat the really weird shit everywhere.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, he had a nice, really shined up bald ass.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh yeah. Every time I saw him. He also dressed kind of nice, didn't he? Right. Bourdain is the guy that I remember watching going and just trying whatever from wherever he was in there.

[Boston Connor]

What a life.

[Pat McAfee]

What a life Bourdain lived.

[Darius Butler]

Crazy.

[Pat McAfee]

How about the places that don't eat pizza? What the.

[Darius Butler]

That's just.

[Pat McAfee]

What do they do?

[AJ Hawk]

They don't eat it. There's places that don't even have it. Don't know about it.

[Pat McAfee]

I would assume these places that are eating like pig intestines, cow intestines and stuff. I've never heard of pizza because if you can choose one or the other, you're probably going this one.

[AJ Hawk]

People eat everything. I mean, people eat things that we have as pets. In other parts of the world, they.

[Boston Connor]

Might have a pizza pig that just tastes like pizza.

[Pat McAfee]

Never heard of that.

[Boston Connor]

You know, pig intestines that might just, you know, it tastes like moths and tomatoes.

[Pat McAfee]

Those are Chipmans chitlins.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah. I've never eaten a bug.

[Pat McAfee]

How about Rocky Mountain oysters? You ever have those bulls testicles?

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, those are balls. What's the weirdest shit you eat?

[Pat McAfee]

Big balls. I don't know. I'm not the big. I'm not the big. Yeah, I'll do it guy. Whenever it comes to the food stuff, like, if I was on Fear Factor, water and food would have been the one that would have got me everything else. I would have been able to get through water. I can't with water. Is in a kid of mine. I. I don't. I don't love being in water. Water. I like looking at water. I don't love being in water. Never really have, you know, like obviously learned how to swim and all that. I can swim, but just what water can do to you so quickly. I just. I am not about it. I just love water.

[AJ Hawk]

I love being under.

[Pat McAfee]

This guy will live in the water.

[Boston Connor]

I just stay.

[Darius Butler]

I'm saying I just stay.

[Pat McAfee]

So I stay on beach. Okay. He stays in water. Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

Life jacket just to fly float.

[Pat McAfee]

We are looking at each other from about 50 yards away. He's in there. Yeah. Huffing drinks. You know, it's a guy and I'm like, I'm not even going in let on the ocean. Like, who knows what is in there. Is there a lot of ocean? Like the locals down there? You guys that live in South Florida still go beach and ocean?

[Darius Butler]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Regular basis.

[Darius Butler]

I mean, if you're down there, you don't go as much. Like growing up, we didn't go as much. But it's great to do, like for the family. Nice day. Go there in the morning. My daughters love seeing like the sunset, so I mean sunrise. So we'll go there early morning, see the sunrise. But getting out on a boat or a yacht, it definitely depends on the vibe, what's going on. But I'll jump out in the middle of the ocean.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. So you're on yacht. I do yacht too. If.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, good time.

[Pat McAfee]

I think I've only one time done the yacht. Good time. Great, great time. Had to take my shoes off as I got in there. I was like, wow, we're doing real nice out here in the middle of the water. Never thought about jumping off yacht though. You know, watched others. Wow, good for you.

[AJ Hawk]

Jump off the roof. Hopefully you got a roof you can do like a backflip off the roof or something.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

Knife.

[Pat McAfee]

We had some people boozed up that didn't mean to do the flips that they were. Yeah, I did see an attempt at a gainer and that was just a back.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, back bump.

[Pat McAfee]

That was just a back bump from high Speed, you know, and it was like, yeah, you crushed it. Yeah, that hurts. And I'm just right here. So I don't. With the water. The food thing, too. I. I don't think I. I really dabbled. I was trying to figure out. In Japan, we ate something. I assume we ate something.

[AJ Hawk]

I don't like texture stuff. I don't like weird, mushy, gooey, weird things that people.

[Boston Connor]

Dog.

[AQ Shipley]

Like uni.

[Pat McAfee]

What?

[Boston Connor]

I wasn't sure. In Japan.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm not eating any dogs.

[Boston Connor]

No, I know. But sometimes they. They come out and they. The translation gets lost. And then the shape of the plate's a dog.

[Pat McAfee]

I should put the meat shape of the animal.

[Boston Connor]

It happened to me. Happened to my dad.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[Boston Connor]

It was.

[Pat McAfee]

Your dad got a dog in the shape of a dog?

[Boston Connor]

I forget if it was dog or if it was. It was something egregious, I'll tell you that much. It might have been dog. Actually.

[Pat McAfee]

Japan, there's a place that eats very differently than we do. And their language is so different. Like, so different.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Nowhere near our language.

[Boston Connor]

The country's in Asia. Like, even watching squid game. Because squid game, I think, is Korean.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. What you think of that?

[Boston Connor]

Season two. Awesome. And if the third season wasn't coming out this year, I would have been much more pissed off about it.

[Pat McAfee]

That it was only seven.

[Darius Butler]

Yes.

[Boston Connor]

That it was only seven episodes. Because I would have said that they kind of everybody with. With how the whole season went. But since the next season's supposed to come out pretty soon here, I think it was great.

[Pat McAfee]

I appreciate them saying, hey, we're going to make a real show script movie thing, not just games, you know, for the first couple episodes.

[Boston Connor]

Appreciate it.

[Pat McAfee]

We did a little bit too much of that. Let's get back to the bread. I agree. Get back to it 100%. They got all the awards for writing and movie and creating and everything like that. And I think they took that to heart. And we're like, we got to do that. We got to really do that. And I. It was tough to get through that first. I'm going to be honest. It was tough to get through that first one. And then if you did. It got good. I think it got really good. Oh, yeah. Like, I. I think the second season got really good, but I think they. They really tested a lot of people. The first for no reason. They need to do it.

[AQ Shipley]

Agree.

[Pat McAfee]

You're one of the guys.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, we talked about it. I was three se. Three episodes in. I was about, when's the next seven coming out?

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, but now, exactly now, since when you finish the second season, it's like, okay, the third season is going to be nuts because the way it starts, there's none of that bullshit. And then there will be an ending. And, you know, who knows how it will end.

[Pat McAfee]

Squid Games, number two show on Netflix currently. Congratulations. Squid Games have massive success. Monday Night Raw. Boom.

[Boston Connor]

Really?

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, I opened it up last night because the wife and I are watching Squid Game season two. It opens up on the screen and then you just go down, you know, on the home screen. It's top shows. Monday Night Raw was there. I thought to myself, that's cool. That was very. That is a very cool thing to be a part of. I took like a. A small bit of pride being like, man, it's cool to be a part of that. Like, it is very cool to be a part of that. And then Michael Cole and I chit chatted yesterday, just talking about how stupid it was to be a part of that. Like, what an honor. Like, what a huge, huge deal for the business as a whole and for the wwe. And that turned on Netflix. I'm like, good for fucking the wwe. They do their business, the people that work. Yeah. And then this absolutely insane. You know, Michael Cole obviously goat when it comes to what he. What his job is, if he was to have to describe it to somebody. And I think, you know, Joe Tessatore came in, did Monday Night Raw from, you know, being a high level, high level commentator, analyst, and you know, highly educated and experienced. He's done a much better job than a lot of other people that have come in there and tried to do it. Because when you have to explain what the job is, it's like, yeah, you're calling action. Massive piece of it. See, also there's actually billions and dollars of stories that need to be told throughout the entirety of it all. Need it to happen. Need this to go like this. Need people to think this, need to not see this, need to mention this, need to acknowledge this, need to throw back to this from five years ago and know that it happened, know why this is happening. It's like there's so much to it as opposed to just being a play by play, which is very difficult in its own right. Like, I can't. It is a very difficult task. So Michael Cole, been able to do it for 28 years. He's missed three shows. Okay. Crazy Dog War reporter for CBS, was in Bosnia, was the first person to talk to David Koresh. Whenever that entire thing was happening down there in Waco. He Was the first person. First interview when he was working at cbs. And then he leaves that and goes into Monday Night Raw. This is him going into Bosnia or coming out of Bosnia. I think, if I recall, whenever he was, the Bosnian war was over there, Then there was. Yeah, because I think he got held going in.

[Boston Connor]

Because he's smiling.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, because they got held over there.

[AJ Hawk]

They weren't allowed to leave Star wars guy next to. To him.

[Boston Connor]

I don't think that's George Lucas. That's how he got his idea for the movies, actually talking to Cole.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Michael Cole gave it to him. So when you talk about one of the most legendary lives of all time, Michael Cole is an absolute G. So it's an honor to get to work with him, first of all. But also the entire WWE and the fact that they put me on a truck. They didn't put me on a truck. They put Michael Cole in a truck, and I just happened to get snuck on there. That's an honor. You walk up and see that, it's like, man, this is the luckiest and dumbest life of all time. And I do. You know, it's very corny to say it, but it's like, if I could go back and talk to a younger Pat and just be like, hey, it's all gonna work out, dude. Like, better than you could have ever imagined, and then say that that's gonna take place, and then this is gonna take place. Like, it's like, I'm so lucky to be a part of it all and thankful. And with that being said, it's time to debut the two biggest awards that you can win in all of professional sport.

[Boston Connor]

Amen.

[Pat McAfee]

We will start with the big guys. All year, we went in the trenches, and we ranked the top five offensive lines off their performances from the weekend before, and that was obviously a smashing success in the Trenches, and we love doing it. And it was nice to shine a light on the big fatsos that are moving bodies around so that their offense can be efficient and successful. And if you paid attention to that particular segment all year, you could kind of tell who was going to be around and who was going to be the team that could potentially go and win a Super Bowl. Well, ladies and gentlemen, it's not just the top five offensive lines of the entire season. It's going to be named also the best tackle, best guard, and best center of the 2024, 2025 season. Season will be named in this edition of the Trenches. Our host is also the man that's on top of the Trophy that will not be delivered. It'll be a. What were those things called that everybody was just giving away?

[Darius Butler]

NFT.

[AJ Hawk]

NFT.

[Pat McAfee]

NFT. Everybody that wins a trenchy will win NFT of this particular trophy. Remember, you cannot share the NFT. You cannot screenshot the NFT because then everybody else will have it. NFTs only work if you're the only one that has the picture. And on on the Internet. That's going to be tough to do. But that's why this NFT is so damn special. You can't just screenshot this one. No, this is one that's going to get emailed or texted directly to you from your host. And the man that's on top of that trophy. AQ chaplain.

[AQ Shipley]

Looks like a damn Greek God on top of that trophy.

[Pat McAfee]

Certainly eating a lot of I, I lot of Greek yogurt.

[AQ Shipley]

I was lobbying to shrink that belly. I know you can edit a lot of things, but.

[Pat McAfee]

What are you talking about?

[AQ Shipley]

That belly.

[Pat McAfee]

Look at that thing.

[Boston Connor]

Make it big, man.

[AQ Shipley]

That's a monster belly.

[Pat McAfee]

It's the trenches. First, we'll do a couple individual awards, although I know that offensive linemen do not like that. Okay. First, the best guard of the 2024, 2025 season. The trenchy goes to.

[AQ Shipley]

Trey Smith of the Kansas City Chiefs. Could have went to his brethren on the other side, Mr. Tooney, but he moved out the tackle a little bit. Trey Smith is an absolute dog. Let's take a look at this. I pulled one clip just to show how ferocious he is. Look, there's Deuce. Boom on Freddie Warner. Puts his ass on the ground. That's the best you are going to see. This dude plays the game the way you're supposed to. @ Gord. Physical can opener puts Fred Warner one of the best linebackers, if not the best linebacker on the ground all the time. This is the way he plays. Physical dog.

[Pat McAfee]

Congratulations, Trey Smith, the best guard in the NFL. The Trenchy Award winner.

[Darius Butler]

Wow.

[Pat McAfee]

We will send you an NFT of that particular trophy. You can't share with anybody. Then it's not worth a. Don't ever forget that, Trey. Now let's go to the top center, which we know is very close to your heart. Who is the top center of the 2024, 2025 season, the trenchy goes to.

[AQ Shipley]

Big congrats to Mr. Frank Rag now of the Detroit Lions.

[Pat McAfee]

Wow. Lions are already winning things. Let's go.

[AQ Shipley]

Listen, I love this guy. I've loved this guy since he came out. First round pick out of Arkansas. But he Also plays the game the way you're supposed to. When you look at that left arm right there, why does he have that sleeve on his left arm? Because he tore his fucking peck. Guy tore his peck. Came back a week later, continues to play. Look at him reach this guy. Little combo block up that. You don't see reach blocks like that in the NFL. And oh, by the way, his running back's just going to take it 70 yards for a touchdown right off his ass.

[Boston Connor]

See you later.

[Pat McAfee]

Congratulations, Ragnar. Wow. We'll send you an nft.

[AQ Shipley]

Unbelievable. Unbelievable year. Should be first team hall pro center hands down.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[AQ Shipley]

Not PFF's all pro.

[Darius Butler]

Whoa.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, easy.

[Pat McAfee]

What?

[AQ Shipley]

The actual All Pro.

[Pat McAfee]

We're giving out awards.

[Boston Connor]

It's a positive.

[Pat McAfee]

It's a celebration.

[AQ Shipley]

This is a celebration.

[Pat McAfee]

Sounds like a. Doesn't think that the PFF people know what the they're talking about when it comes to offensive line.

[AQ Shipley]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

That's right.

[AQ Shipley]

That's Robinson going with that.

[Pat McAfee]

You don't know what the job is. How do you know what my job is to do? That's right. Me. That's. That's the thing that you say.

[AQ Shipley]

That's exactly where I was going when D. But sent it to me yesterday.

[Pat McAfee]

Listen, I think PFF does a lot of great things for the sport. I think they give a lot of analytics and stats and I think they help out a lot of people whenever it comes to being football fans. But there are some jobs that are tough to predict and call what they are happens in the secondary.

[Darius Butler]

A lot of spots, not a blind spot.

[Pat McAfee]

Offensive line could be potentially difficult because you have no idea who's supposed to get to where. I think they try to judge it off of things that they know are going to be the fundamentals sound. How do you go about doing what you do. But I think the players who potentially get rated pretty low on that and get that held against them in negotiations and potentially get, you know, not picked up on teams because of it. Say that you have no idea what my job is. Right. Is that that's accurate.

[AQ Shipley]

Very accurate. That's exactly what I was saying.

[Ty Schmidt]

I mean, when those guys come up on Sunday Night Football and they like do their intro and it's like 127 out of 128.

[AQ Shipley]

And he's making 14 million a year. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You can't help. You can't help but think that a Kyush walks into a game. Okay. It's like his 10th year.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And he's getting a start, you know, and he's got that head shot thing and right at the bottom he goes, not ranked out of 130. Yeah. It's like this guy, you've made an enemy with this guy forever. That's what you're experiencing. That's what we're experiencing right now. That's why the trenches mean so much to him.

[Ty Schmidt]

Exactly.

[AQ Shipley]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

Because he's watched every single snap. He wants to make sure the right guys are getting rewarded. Now, ladies and gentlemen, it's the highest paid position on the offensive line. Who was the top tackle? Doesn't have to be left, just top tackle of the 20, 24, 2025 NFL season.

[AQ Shipley]

The trenchy goes to Lane Johnson of the Philadelphia.

[Pat McAfee]

Wow. On the right side. Congrats, Lane. Congrats, Lane.

[AQ Shipley]

Lane had an incredible year. He's. And he's literally playing out of his mind for one of the best offensive lines in football. Let's watch how he just throws this three tech across three gaps. Watch.

[Pat McAfee]

Boom.

[AQ Shipley]

Climbs on the linebacker. And then you got Saquon downhill, 2000 yard rusher, 20 yard gain. But it all starts with number 65. He always has his hand up. There were 70 yard runs, 70 yard run runs, 70 yard runs, 65 yard runs, everything that the Philadelphia Eagles had. It all starts with number 65, whether they're running counter away or zone two.

[Pat McAfee]

Congratulations on the trenchy lane.

[Boston Connor]

That's awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

Put this NFT up on the refrigerator, right?

[AJ Hawk]

Hell yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Print it out. They don't make a lot of these. You got to earn them. Congrats to Lane Johnson who you know, the big topic of conversation around him is he's always off sides.

[Ty Schmidt]

Guys jumping early all the time.

[Pat McAfee]

That's all they talk about.

[AQ Shipley]

Smartest lineman football.

[Darius Butler]

You ain't cheating, you ain't trying.

[Pat McAfee]

Amen. And I think that's a big part of the offensive line world. If we've paid attention in the trenches at all. That's all anybody talks about is his get off. Nobody talks about everything else. Like fundamentally sound. Absolutely perfect freak show athletically. Dog buy into the team. Always there. And his ability to get down and dirty. Not scared to do it. They do the goddamn tush push. You know, this is a tackle that has to. He's not even in the main focal point, still has to get down, do the whole song and dance. Cuz that's what our team does. And he does it willingly. What a great representative of Philadelphia, I think Eagles fans would say. And what a, what a win of a trenchy by Lane Johnson. Incredible evil he's done a lot of things.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

Hell of a year. Hell of a career.

[Boston Connor]

Super bowl champion.

[Pat McAfee]

It's been hell of a year. You know Park McCall?

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, I do. No, it's on.

[Pat McAfee]

He's had a hell of a year. He's growing his hair out a little bit. You see that?

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, it looks good.

[Boston Connor]

Got some flow.

[Ty Schmidt]

Looks good.

[Pat McAfee]

It does look good. Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

I could grow hair.

[Pat McAfee]

No, no, you got good goatee. Got.

[Boston Connor]

You can grow hair.

[Pat McAfee]

You got a goatee. You can get one of them surgeries. You know, hair, Jordan.

[AQ Shipley]

No, Too much work.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't think you do anything.

[Boston Connor]

It's no work, but, boy, do I wish.

[AQ Shipley]

I wish I had that. I wish I had that little flow out the back.

[Boston Connor]

Wish we could trade, get a toupee.

[Pat McAfee]

That would be so sick.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, just have a toupee.

[AJ Hawk]

Next.

[Boston Connor]

AJ Hawks to pay.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, you got to grow up. You got to grow up the sides a little bit. I can do that.

[AQ Shipley]

I can do that.

[Pat McAfee]

Boom. And then toupee on top. Put a rug up there. Oh, my God. Please. You know how many trenches you would win if you had a rug?

[AQ Shipley]

How many?

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, all of them. Every fast.

[AQ Shipley]

Too many possible.

[Pat McAfee]

How many NFTs would we send him if he did that?

[Ty Schmidt]

As many as he needed.

[Boston Connor]

Countless.

[Pat McAfee]

How about this? We know it's a big deal to you. We will change the top of the trophy if you. If you put. If you put a rug up there. You know, a little top, little top, a little cap on. You know, we will change the top of that. Perfect. These trenches are a big deal.

[AQ Shipley]

Hell, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Huge. Let's go to the top five offensive lines of the 20, 24, 25 NFL season. The trenches go to number five, the Buffalo Bills. Wow. Congratulations to the Buffalo Bills.

[AQ Shipley]

I went back through the whole season. What I tried to do is just find a play that embodies exactly who this team is and every team in this list. And so why I picked this play. Let's take a look at number 70, Alec Anderson. They go big offensive line personnel more than anybody else, except for the Detroit Lions with Skip. Right. And so whenever number 70 is in the game.

[Pat McAfee]

Game.

[AQ Shipley]

They're running the ball. They're going to run a fullback zone to the left. Fullback and number 70, Alec, are going to work together. We get the big stretch, center does a nice job getting the cut off. Boom. And then you'll see Mr. Cook. See you.

[Pat McAfee]

Untouched.

[AQ Shipley]

Untouched. Basically to the house.

[Boston Connor]

Why'd they fire him out? Why'd they fire him?

[AQ Shipley]

There you go.

[Pat McAfee]

Hold on. How about this. Can we talk about a couple things? Also, guy that I assume was up for best tackle of the year, Trenchy. Yep. This dude right here. Look at the space that he's given up in between here. Just absolutely on an island. Then he's head up on the guy. Right. So this is like strategy by him. Right. That's what Dawkins is doing.

[AQ Shipley]

There's no doubt Dion Dawkins is going to be an All Pro this year. Had an unbelievable season. He's incredible. Was up for it. Lane's just head and shoulders above everybody at this point.

[Pat McAfee]

And Dion, smart and physical. And that Buffalo Bills offensive line is top five. Top five. Top five on this year's trenchies. Congratulations to the top five.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, line, like egregiously is on the line of scrimmage. Like he's not sitting back. Like we were just talking about. Like he's one of those guys early in the year where he. He looked like he was with the.

[AQ Shipley]

Like almost making a mockery.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Making a mockery of a bingo. He was like, head to head with the center.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Everybody says you need a lot of space. How about this? I'll line up behind you and then I will get in. I'll be so athletic. I'll be able to get around. And that Buffalo Bills offensive line has led to some magical things. Josh allen up over 40 touchdowns yet again, potential MVP season. I think a lot of people are thinking that offensive line, after you lose all the weapons, have to show up. They did all year. They did.

[AQ Shipley]

Fewest sacks allowed as well.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Yeah. Let's go to the number four performing offensive line. The trenchy goes to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Wow. Tampa Bay, number four. Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

If you'll notice, all five of these teams are playoff teams. And that is because this offensive line on every one of these teams makes this unit go. Let's take a look. We motioned the back into the backfield. Now we're going to go jet motion away. Eye candy. Now we're going to send the back on the right to the left. And then we're going to pull the guard and attack with the other way. Brederson, kick out. Tristan Worf's up on number 40, tight end. Great job. See you later, boys. See you later.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what you're talking about. What were they last year? Ranked and run rush offense.

[AQ Shipley]

They have been bottom five and rushing for each of the last seven or eight years. And then magically this year, new offensive coordinator, new scheme, pretty much same group. Obviously they drafted the center in the first Round, but literally went from bottom five to top five.

[Pat McAfee]

Bucky also great running. Bucky's really Bucky for the Buccaneers.

[AQ Shipley]

And this is Rashad White right here.

[Pat McAfee]

Great player for a long time down there at the Tampa Buccaneers. Congrats to them. Top four offensive line in the NFL this past season. And as the season continues, let's go to the number three, the offensive line that Trenchy goes to the Baltimore Raven.

[Michael Cole]

Wow.

[Pat McAfee]

Congrats to the Ravens.

[AQ Shipley]

Great year. It also helps that they got Derek Henry. But listen, let's go to.

[Pat McAfee]

Holy.

[AQ Shipley]

One of Coach Monkin's favorite calls of the year. Baldy's favorite play.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, hell.

[AQ Shipley]

The old triple trap double scoop. And here we go talking about Baldy.

[Pat McAfee]

From late night with Kelsey. They call it late night Kelsey. Late night with Baldy is balding.

[Ty Schmidt]

You're on there.

[Pat McAfee]

Baldy was on there.

[AQ Shipley]

One of the first guys in Philadelphia.

[Pat McAfee]

Legend. That's what I'm saying. I was pumped to see Baldy get a little rub like that.

[Boston Connor]

Hell yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

Baldi's breakdowns. He loves the old triple trap Barkley. That's right. You get both going.

[Pat McAfee]

You didn't watch.

[AQ Shipley]

I didn't watch past my bedtime. I got too many kids.

[Pat McAfee]

It's on ESPN plus.

[AQ Shipley]

Oh, I can watch it on repo. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I think would have been at 10:00 your time.

[AQ Shipley]

That's past my time.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Amen. Me too. But it's worth a watch. And baldy shout to him. Getting some love. Love, you know, nationally for the first. I'm not saying first time. Obviously people know him, but he deserves. Yeah. Oh, he loves offensive line play. He does love watching his breakdown just like yours. But he loves this particular play.

[AQ Shipley]

He loves it. You get the old triple trap double scoop. Two guards influence him behind you get the wham.

[Pat McAfee]

From Ricard.

[AQ Shipley]

And then you get center, right tackle. Get Andrews up on the old scoop as well. Get him up on the third level.

[Pat McAfee]

Boom.

[AQ Shipley]

See you later.

[Boston Connor]

Untouched.

[Pat McAfee]

There's bodies everywhere. Everywhere.

[AQ Shipley]

That's an 87 yard touchdown run, ladies and gents.

[Boston Connor]

First play of the game.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean, it's gonna be hard for the right. It's gonna be hard not to like. I can't put arrows on everybody because I think these two are going this way. They're going this way. He's coming this way. Right. And then they're going that way.

[AQ Shipley]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

Holy hell. How much coordination does that take? That takes a lot of choreography almost to make sure everybody's on the same page. How do you not trip all over each other.

[AQ Shipley]

This. This literally has become. Become the play of the year. Everybody has copied this play and everybody loves it. It used to be just a regular Wham. It was basically zone two people basically right guard, right tackle would avoid the three tech and then you get the Wham. And now we get all this influence stuff. Look what it does to the three tech. Look what it does to the backside nose. Look what it does to every. Look what it does to the linebackers. Nobody knows where the the ball's going. And then boom. We just hit Derrick Henry, the best back of this era, right downhill in the b Gap for 87 years.

[Pat McAfee]

I like to save that cuz Acorn's having such a big year. He had to drop in of this era that for good TV stuff out of you. Congrats to the Ravens top three offensive line of the 24, 25 NFL season. The number two offensive line winning a.

[AQ Shipley]

Trenchy is the Detroit Lions.

[Boston Connor]

Got one.

[Pat McAfee]

Congratulations. What a big win.

[Boston Connor]

Huge.

[Pat McAfee]

What a big win.

[AQ Shipley]

Big win for the Detroit Lions.

[Pat McAfee]

Frank Ragnow leading the team. Best center of the year, the Trenchy award winner, Frank Ragnow. Let's go to Lions doing what they do. Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

Again, I tried to show something that embodies this group. And what is the biggest thing we talk about all year? Obviously the offensive line. But Ben Johnson, fourth and one against the Buccaneers early in the year we line up and they all were in different spots. They literally reverse the triangle. This guy goes there, this guy goes to the backfield, this guy goes there. And on fourth and one in a big moment when you need a first down, guess what you do. You run the old triple option sweep.

[Boston Connor]

To the left left.

[AQ Shipley]

Ben Johnson disguising people, getting them out of the huddle early and often switching people right before the snap. And then you get, boom. You get ST Brown in the backfield as a decoy going this way. And then you get Gibbs going around.

[Pat McAfee]

Did that end up being a 22 personnel right there? Is that what that is?

[AQ Shipley]

Brock Wright and LaPorta. There's 20 and then it's 21 personnel. Is there another back? Because that's a receiver.

[Pat McAfee]

So he counts as receiver there. Correct. He's up on the line.

[AQ Shipley]

Correct, Correct.

[Pat McAfee]

Got it. So running power in there.

[Darius Butler]

That's it.

[Pat McAfee]

Wing T type here.

[AQ Shipley]

Wing tea type stuff. Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Dude, that's awesome.

[AQ Shipley]

Pretty cool stuff.

[Pat McAfee]

How about the Detroit Lions?

[Boston Connor]

Unreal.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Hey Q. I love that you play. Showed that play because you cannot run this offense without that offensive line. The amount of times I've come To you on a Wednesday. And I said, the reason this team goes, the reason golf is good, Gibbs is good, and the receivers get open is because he has so much time.

[Michael Cole]

It's the O line.

[Pat McAfee]

That's right. Let's go to the number one team offensive line line.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

Through the first 12 weeks, it would have been the Detroit Lions. I think over the last five, this group overtook him. You got the Philadelphia Eagles as the number one offensive line of the affiliate.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, you don't have the rushing record, but you do have a trenchy.

[Ty Schmidt]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

As being the number one offensive line in the NFL this season. And they've been fun to watch. Obviously they got the number one tackle, the trenchy award winner, Elaine Johnson.

[AQ Shipley]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

But their running back is also un. Unstoppable.

[AQ Shipley]

Unstoppable.

[Pat McAfee]

Why is that? Well, he. In this offensive line are on the same page all the time.

[AQ Shipley]

That's right. And I also, again, another reason why I picked this play going into the season. Jason Kelsey gone. Can they be the same offensive line unit? Cam Juergens made the pro bowl, ladies and gentlemen. Not sure if you guys know that Cam Juergens made the pro bowl at center. So they just picked up right where they left off. And I think we all remember this play. Dip and scoop on the nose.

[Pat McAfee]

Boom.

[AQ Shipley]

Throw his ass up the cliff. Look at them. Talk your shit. Keep it moving. And then guess what's gonna happen. We're gonna walk a little bit. We got nothing to do. We got nothing to do. And then we turn around. Oh, this is about to go for a touchdown. Oh, let's put him on the ground again.

[Pat McAfee]

Boom. Twice. Does that count as two pancakes there? It counts as two knockdowns.

[AQ Shipley]

Oh, yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Double stack.

[AQ Shipley]

Double stack.

[Pat McAfee]

That is couple flapjacks. This is D bone special. You want Dr. Pepper on top of that. Congratulations to the Philadelphia Eagles winning the trenchy for the best offensive line in the entire NFL. Here's your top five, ladies and gentlemen, from the trenches of 2024, 2025. Wow. Eight times in the top five. The Philadelphia was nine times the Detroit Lions and once again, AQ said first 12 weeks would have been able to make it eight times for the Baltimore Ravens and obviously a little bit of a drop off five times and four times for number four. And number five. Foxy gave a little look see there after their numbers were revealed here on how many times they're in top five and said what? What are we doing? Yeah, aq, I don't love what you did here. It was definitely the Detroit Lions all season long. But you know what? Playoffs, NFC championship, Lions, Eagles. We're going to find out how that's going to go down. Well, Foxy, I don't know if you should be questioning anything, because it's not you that's on top of this particular trend sheet. It's that man. Big go right there. Hell, yeah. Love everything he's done doing here.

[Boston Connor]

So wait, all five teams get a trenchy?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. An nft.

[Boston Connor]

Just the number one team gets a trenchy. What is this, you know, a handout award or.

[Pat McAfee]

No, just top five. Top five. They get a. They get a.

[Boston Connor]

They each get or just number one?

[Pat McAfee]

Well, the number one team gets this one. This is what the. The number one team actually gets this one. Oh, okay. So it is a little bit. It is a little bit different. This is Shrek. This is what the number one offensive line will be getting. And congrats also to Kevin Green, Frank Ragnow, Trey Smith, and Lane Johnson. Because you were number ones. You will get this particular recipes kg. By the way, K to the G, you'll get this particular NFT. Two through five will get the bold trenchy. Okay. Okay, get this one. Two through five will get this particular NFT trenchy. The number ones will get this particular NFT trenchY. So there is a difference. Not everybody getting awards. And as we wrap up the trenches here, let's go to our Correspondent in Ohio, A.J. hawk, what do you think about the trenches? Who got screwed in the entire thing? And did he get it right with the trenches this year?

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, I think AQ did get it right. I mean, I would say out of AQ and baldy are the two, like the. The two people you go to. If you want to know about O line play. Right. In. In America.

[Pat McAfee]

I think Jeff Saturday does the pancakes and it's awesome. Yeah. But I think Baldy and Akush break down offensive line play more. I think that is kind of. I don't think Jeff does a lot of break. Jeff is a head coach. Yeah, Jeff, you know, so Jeff does a lot all together. And I'm not saying a Q couldn't be an head coach or baldy, but they're breaking down. I think offensive line play, fundamentals, technique, strategies, plays much more. Yes. Thank you, A.J.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, I think O line play. It's true. Most people have no idea what a good. Especially like, as a whole, what O lines are good. They'll look at. They'll look at stats and say, oh, how many stats? How many sacks have they given up? Can they run the Ball. And then they'll. They'll make a determination whether you're good or not. So I appreciate aq. AQ is doing a service to everybody as football fans, especially casual football fans, letting us know that this is where games are won and lost.

[Pat McAfee]

Thank you.

[AQ Shipley]

Thanks, aj.

[Boston Connor]

Thank you as you do.

[AQ Shipley]

I appreciate you guys.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's go to hammer.

[Hammer Don]

Can the 32nd team. Can you pop up the top of the statue real quick? Which one with her without hair? Doesn't matter. Okay. Can the 32nd ranked team get one just like that? But AQ's Dong is hanging out like the guy on the edge of the bed.

[AJ Hawk]

The COVID guy.

[Boston Connor]

The Patriots all.

[AJ Hawk]

I would love one of those.

[Pat McAfee]

I'll tell you what. The.

[Hammer Don]

You guys know who I'm talking about?

[AQ Shipley]

About.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, yeah, the co. Dong guy.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

They put that guy's hammer on one of them drones.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, that's.

[Pat McAfee]

They got me. I've been able to steer clear away from that guy's dong for a lot of things. I'll get texted something. Dude, check this out.

[Boston Connor]

Breaking.

[Pat McAfee]

Not doing it. Hey, you. Have you seen this? A lot of those. No, and I don't care. Even an algorithm will try to try to sneak one onto my. Onto my feet. I'll be scrolling. Oh, no. And then I'm. Oh, I know there's a dong there. Okay. They got me the drone one just a few weeks ago. They're like, holy. We got a good clean image. I'm like, I won't see it.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, you zoom in.

[Boston Connor]

Son of a.

[Pat McAfee]

It's true. I do believe the big Hammer guy is no longer with us. So rest in peace to him and thank you for your meat being a part of a trolling thing on the Internet. That's never gonna die. Never, never gonna die. And they got me. You know, I'll tell you, that was. I was disappointed.

[AQ Shipley]

So pissed.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean, it was good to see. It was good. It's like, holy, you know, like, this guy's dong is gigantic.

[Ty Schmidt]

It is immortal.

[Pat McAfee]

But then. Yeah, forever. But I was like, I got there. You got to be better. You got to be better on the Internet than. Yeah, but they'll sneak that guy's dick into anything, and it is. It is unbelievable. You gotta really watch it. Yeah. Merry Christmas. Somebody tried to give me on Christmas.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, Jesus.

[AJ Hawk]

Who?

[Boston Connor]

Or liker.

[Pat McAfee]

Merry. I assume Urlacher with that snake thing he does. Got so many people on the golf course where he just attaches it to somebody. He loves that. What a weapon. Erlacher is his kid's going to Nerd Dam.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Yep. He's there, right?

[AJ Hawk]

He's there, right?

[Boston Connor]

I think he might be actually.

[Pat McAfee]

Is our locker going to be at the game?

[Ty Schmidt]

Potentially?

[Pat McAfee]

We should talk to her locker. Yeah, yeah, we should try to talk to Lecter. We know he's going to be busy. Yep.

[Ty Schmidt]

A lot of D's Nuts jokes. Stadium.

[Boston Connor]

Take a look.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh yeah. Remember he. Yeah, he sent me a dm. You remember he was either a DM or text message. I think a text message he tried to get me.

[Ty Schmidt]

And I go, you ever play with D?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I don't think so. I think I responded with I don't think so. He goes, I'm going to get you.

[Darius Butler]

Or something like that.

[Pat McAfee]

Like immediately afterwards it's like, come on, come on, come on, come on. Those D's nuts runs so unbelievable. Somebody in the Colts. I'm not gonna say who it was. They. They executed like a full emergency type situation. Need to get somebody on the phone to answer like a full on. It was like an orchestrated 15 people to get one person to get these nutted. And it was one of the most ridiculous and absurd hilarious things I've ever watched because I was just happened to be a spectator. It was in the training room. So I'm just sitting there on a table. Then there's like. I don't like an alarm might have went off in the building. And then all of a sudden phone rings. And then it's like need to answer the phone. It's who scream from the other side of the room. Room D. Who? Somebody who is important. I think it might have been Hambone, actually that they were trying to get this entire thing. He just retired. He's been around forever. It was like full panic in his entire thing. And then there was like 10 people were like these nuts match. And it was like a full on. And I was sitting there like, how long do you guys plan? Because you had to get an alarm to go off and then a phone to ring. And then like actual panic had to look like it was happening to kind of get. Let a guy's guard down for a second. And then it was screamed across these nuts. You. I was like, oh my God.

[Boston Connor]

Allegedly. I don't know if you saw this on the Internet. I forget who said it. It was one of Saban's former players. But allegedly Saban is a huge D's Nuts guy.

[Pat McAfee]

Really? Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

We should try and.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh my God, game day tomorrow is going to be so.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh my God.

[Boston Connor]

It might have been Teron Arnold. I Forget who it was exactly, though. But allegedly Saban, Matt, massive D's nuts guy. Him getting people.

[Pat McAfee]

So I'm not gonna finish it on game day, you know, because there's no reason to do it. But as soon as. If we hear a D. Who tomorrow.

[Boston Connor]

Well, is he on the program tomorrow?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Yeah. There we go. Nobody tell him. He doesn't know. He won't know. Nobody tell him. Nobody will. He don't really talk to anybody, I don't think. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Just when you were coaching D, like, what. What was his biggest.

[Ty Schmidt]

Well, he did coach D. Miller, who was drafted in the first round as a cornerback.

[AQ Shipley]

So.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. So he might just go off on. He might owner. But I'm worried that we said this already and he's gonna be have his guard up.

[Boston Connor]

No chance.

[Pat McAfee]

He does.

[Boston Connor]

He's not seeing this. Josh Jacobs. He just told me in my ear. Josh Jacobs is the one that said.

[Pat McAfee]

Should we try to get him right now? Shall we?

[Boston Connor]

No, no, we should save it for tomorrow.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, but he. He. Somebody's gonna tell him.

[Boston Connor]

Nobody's gonna tell.

[Pat McAfee]

Somebody's watching right now, telling somebody. Who's telling somebody who's telling them. Well, I think we need to do it right now. What's that?

[Darius Butler]

Ms. Terry might tell.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what I'm saying. Somebody's gonna get it to. Ms. Myster might be watching at this moment or daughter Kristen or somebody.

[Boston Connor]

Should we FaceTime that?

[Pat McAfee]

That's what I'm saying. I think we should maybe. But he normally does zoom. But I have his. I don't think that was the time.

[Boston Connor]

I don't think no one tell him.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't think we should cold call these nuts. Nick Saban.

[AJ Hawk]

I mean, it's worth a shot. It's worth a shot.

[Pat McAfee]

I think you got me. I'm not going to use my first FaceTime. Didn't it in person would be a lot better? Yeah, I think so.

[Darius Butler]

Nobody tell him.

[Pat McAfee]

Nobody tell him. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

If you're watching and you could tell him or tell him through somebody, don't tell him, please.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, my gosh. Demone has updated the graphic, I guess, but we do not need to put that on here. Are you sure?

[AQ Shipley]

We should definitely put it up.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, ladies and gentlemen, award season rolls on. Okay, maybe just the back wall so you guys can see. Thanks for your quick work, Debone. Really appreciate it.

[Boston Connor]

Take a picture of his own dog.

[Pat McAfee]

What the hell? Fastest that guy's ever got something done. Incredible. You're saying the guy want to work, T Bone.

[Boston Connor]

Just take a dick, pig.

[Pat McAfee]

We don't need that. We don't need. We're not.

[AQ Shipley]

How do I get that?

[Pat McAfee]

It ain't happened.

[AQ Shipley]

But how do I get that thing?

[Pat McAfee]

That's why that guy is going to trend forever, pal. All right. Award season rolls on.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, man.

[Pat McAfee]

Congrats to that guy for having that.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You want a trenchy?

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

I need that.

[Pat McAfee]

No. So flabber. Holy.

[Darius Butler]

Man.

[Pat McAfee]

Could you imagine if that's what my trophy looked like?

[Boston Connor]

Can you? Touching his ankle.

[Pat McAfee]

All right. Award season rolls on, boys. Doesn't it? What an honor it is to be a part of this award season.

[Ty Schmidt]

I know.

[Pat McAfee]

Did you guys watch TGL last night? Certainly looks like good. Some of it looks like Good game, good sport. They need to build a bunch of those. I don't know how you do it. It seems like it takes a lot of space, but somebody needs to build one of those Amazon warehouses that pop up out of nowhere in the middle of America here and just put like five of those things into it. And then you could charge probably. Whatever. If I can get a golf round done in an hour and 30 minutes, plug in my Bluetooth while having an open bar without having to walk or travel too far while still walking and traveling while actually hitting shots, man, I would sign up for that experience every single time. Now they built a Sofi dome, I think is what they called it where they were playing at. It was a beautiful set. Looked like a beautiful sport. Television purposes. I think it's. You know, I think people will watch because it's golf and it's entertaining. I think they'll continue to figure it out how they're going to be a TV show. They did drop a hammer down a couple times in there. Don't love that. That feels like. That feels like certainly a little something, something, something, you know, and it. I think they think it sounds cool. It certainly does. Which we love. And FedEx sponsored the hammer down thing. FedEx was supposed to sponsor our show. They did not remember that. The whole thing. We talked. Oh, yeah.

[Darius Butler]

It sounded cool for a long time.

[Pat McAfee]

So it's FedEx hammered down thing.

[AJ Hawk]

I didn't see it live. Does that green move and undulate, or is it. Yeah, in between each. So each. It's a new green every hole.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. They can change it to fit what the course calls for. You know, it's all pretty sweet, which is why it's sweet. And if you get like. Like in some shitty stuff, but not all the way in the sand, you're in a good spot. Like there was a couple Where Ricky's I think were rolling. And it was like not officially in the sand, but certainly in a shitty spot. It's like, well, you lucked out a lot better than if you would have went into the sand. Would be cool to just hack sand all over a warehouse, which is what we amateur golfers would do. I think it was a poor choice to see who started it. Like, I think Tiger should have taken on Rory night one.

[Michael Cole]

I agree.

[Pat McAfee]

I think that should have been the case. Now Tiger on the mic explaining and talking and doing his thing was good. But like, if you're launching in a sport, a league, like, I think you should have your. The people that are behind it in there, I think, you know, but that's just me looking from outside in having zero to do with tgo. I like there's a new sport. I like there's new sport happening. And I hope they make those buildings in places.

[Darius Butler]

It was cool. Like you said, that would be very, very expensive, I would assume to build that out, but like a bachelor party or something that out that would be.

[Pat McAfee]

And with how much space they need, you know, you can even build a little hotel type gimmick. You know, rent one fifth of one of these warehouses.

[Ty Schmidt]

They said the screen that they're hitting into is five stories high.

[AJ Hawk]

Jeez.

[Pat McAfee]

So you need that Amazon.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Warehouse thing that you need.

[AJ Hawk]

No, they can't do that. Where they going to charge you 80,000 per round if you can only have two foursomes at a time?

[Pat McAfee]

No, you. You would charge a premium amount. You just. You'd be rotating people in and out of there there. Let's not talk the billionaires out of creating this. Okay. Let's not say they're never gonna make their money back. Let's not talk it's ever gonna be feasible. Let's not talk about the reality of the situation. Let's talk about how cool would be for us to be able to sign up for that. Okay, let's think about that.

[AJ Hawk]

Right, Agree.

[Pat McAfee]

I think it's. I think it'd be a bit pricey. Little on the tech. Yeah, just the tech.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah. Because if it screws up one time while you're doing your round.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh my God, I'd be so mad, so, so pissed.

[Boston Connor]

If you could do like eight people.

[Pat McAfee]

Have eight rooms and a little house in the back, you know, a couple of cottages maybe.

[Boston Connor]

Hold on.

[Pat McAfee]

Have your own round Bluetooth in there. You can obviously doordash food in if you need. Or hey, we got food right here.

[Boston Connor]

For all you can eat.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, so much good content coming out of that. Oh yeah, we. We didn't really know it was happening right now. We weren't really told anything. I think it's potentially because I told the pga people go themselves.

[Ty Schmidt]

Definitely. Because in conjunction with the pga.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. So it. I think that's probably what it was. I think that is probably the case because that was. I was as. As I was watching. I'm like, it feels like we would be a natural fit for this. What they are trying to do here. And we're obviously if it. If something's quicker, more exciting and there's still a lot going on in the sports world. People are partying, partying while watching. It's like. Feels like we would be a natural fit for all parties to be like, hey espn. This feels like it. We didn't know any of it. And I was like, I had to ask some questions. I'm like, who's all involved in this? Because I've certainly told a lot of people to go fuck themselves throughout our journey. People that I sleep very well knowing that I told them to go fuck themselves. And I think if you learned of them you would say yeah, you should sleep soundly for saying that to that entire thing. And then once I started hearing some, I'm like oh yeah, that's probably why we weren't brought up. I don't think we had a chance to really get in there boys. But hey, I. We will watch and we will enjoy that. Can you bet on it? FanDuel was big time sponsoring I think too Fandom was a sponsor and they actually promoed it last night and I went on the app and looked for it and I couldn't find any of the odds anywhere. I was excited to watch because I enjoyed it. I thought it was pretty fun to watch but couldn't find anything to bet on. Me too. I think a gall is low but I. I think it was because it was a blow up.

[Ty Schmidt]

It was a Blair know who's going.

[Boston Connor]

To beat the Bay.

[Pat McAfee]

That is true. They. They look like a wagon.

[AQ Shipley]

They looked good.

[Pat McAfee]

Big pots falling early. Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

I think LA looks pretty good too though. I think I saw their four person picture come across. I think it was Tommy Fleetwood, Colin Morawa.

[Boston Connor]

Like they. Those guys don't have the legs. The Boston team does though.

[AQ Shipley]

Who's Boston?

[Boston Connor]

Boston Golf Club.

[AQ Shipley]

Is that Rory?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, sure, that's Rory.

[Darius Butler]

It's Jupiter Links.

[Michael Cole]

I think Tigers team also has Max Homa.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, you know those two great personalities to your point. Wish they would have started them off last Night. Yeah, I think. I don't. That feels like a. I'm sure somebody smarter than us had. I'm sure there's somebody who has a different idea than us in this entire thing. Thought that, you know, Tiger being able to talk and be like, a representative of it during the first one would be a good move, but it's like he could have did that while playing Tiger. Playing golf is what everybody.

[AJ Hawk]

He was there.

[Hammer Don]

Maybe because you get two races. Ratings. Okay. Because you get a rating. Because people are going to turn and tune in the first one, and then people are gonna tune in for Tiger.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Activated yet?

[Pat McAfee]

There's trees.

[Hammer Don]

Let's not do what we were about to.

[Boston Connor]

Got a week now.

[Pat McAfee]

That's right. It's next Tuesday. Yes. Tuesday or Monday. I know. They play on Mondays as well. Oh, boy. They better not play on Monday's not a good idea. Oh, yeah. No. No, it won't.

[AQ Shipley]

What about the fourth guy? When does he play? Like, each of these teams have a fourth guy.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah. I think it's just. They pick one guy to ride the pine.

[AQ Shipley]

They could just ride the pie in the whole season if they wanted.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. That person should be the hype man, you know, on the bench. Like, that's what we need out of you.

[Ty Schmidt]

They should make that guy get all up and then have to go up there and hit shots.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

Putt.

[AJ Hawk]

They all should.

[Boston Connor]

The drunk guys have to go on the last hole. It's for five points each.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Can we get some edibles in here, too? Can we? You know, if we're gonna make it be a good time, let's actually have it be.

[AJ Hawk]

Make them spin around on a bat. You know, put your forehead on the bat and spin around eight times and hit it dizzy.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, you're talking about Louisville Chugger. Yeah, I like. I like a little dizzy golf.

[AJ Hawk]

Maybe if you're not in. If you're the fourth guy, you got to play Edward 40 hands until you're done, and then you get to sub in.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Can't pee either. Gotta pee your pants if that's how you're gonna do this entire thing. Yeah. You ever play Edward 40 hands?

[Darius Butler]

I have not. Never heard. First time.

[Boston Connor]

I've never. Great at Yukon.

[Pat McAfee]

That's duct tape to both your hands. We see what D Buds does when he has to slug some beers. I don't know if he'd do too well. What's that? What's that? Your birthday? A few years back, falling asleep in.

[Boston Connor]

The back of a runaway.

[Pat McAfee]

It certainly was a little bit of A runaway, as was this show. But who'd we be if we didn't wrap it up with maybe the most important part of this entire thing? There was obviously the trenches. Congrats, all the award winners. Hey, Jeff, how come you don't clap ever?

[AJ Hawk]

Cuz I'm, you know, I'm like a little bit of a delay. So it would be off. It would be kind of like, I don't want to. I don't want to throw any stones. It was a great debut on Netflix. It would be a little bit like Michael Cole yeeting with everybody.

[Pat McAfee]

Little off r the little. Little.

[AJ Hawk]

I'm like a second half a second behind you.

[Pat McAfee]

He was kind of on rhythm with how offbeat he was.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Wasn't it kind of impressive?

[Boston Connor]

It was like a perfect, like, oompa loompa type situation where you're going like this. It was perfect.

[Pat McAfee]

And then he would change his BPMs, though, every once in a while, and it was like, I don't even know what are you. Can you hear anything right? Yeah. I think he got jacked up. And then that. That's side high five. He had five with Travis Scott with the follow through. It did look like he said yippee. He texted me.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

We were talking yesterday about it all, and he said, hold on, let me find it. Let me find it. That was a big in the rap community. That was the biggest yippee I've ever seen. Bingo. That's what he said. Please remind people I'm massive in the rap community. Michael Cole, he. He said, they love me. They love me. He saw that side high five and.

[Boston Connor]

Was like, God, I still got it.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes, I did. Who's gonna get a side high five from Darius J. Butler? Ladies and gentlemen, it is time to announce the all everything dbt.

[Darius Butler]

Let's get to it.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, hold on. Hold on one second. Because I got to get to it on the thing.

[Darius Butler]

Uh oh.

[Pat McAfee]

This is what it's all about. Go ahead, Derrick.

[Darius Butler]

Hey, like I said earlier, only five spots, obviously a lot of great, great DBs around the National Football League, but there's only five. Two corners, two safeties, and one nickel back. Let's start with one of those safeties. Got a big. Obviously it's coming from the brand new lions.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's go.

[Darius Butler]

Congratulations, Joseph. Yep. So common theme. You're going to see all these five guys every week. You've seen these guys throughout the year on the tape. And we know what Kirby Joseph does out of the deep part of the field. Led the national football League in interceptions. This is one of his nine. It's hard to get nine intercepts. You'll see him reading Brock Purdy out of the post. Makes a great break on the ball. A lot of times quarterbacks don't really factor in that post. Defenders, when they're going through their reads and making, making throws on time, especially across the middle of the field. He gets up from the middle of the field to the sideline and he can also break down in the middle of the field and make plays. Just a great, great job from Kirby Joseph, one of two very, very good safeties for the Detroit Lions.

[Pat McAfee]

He was on everything db, good D A lot.

[Darius Butler]

A lot.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And it felt like they were also on in the trenches. So Detroit Lions were on in the trenches and they were on in the secondary, which stops explosive plays.

[Darius Butler]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

Felt like it was a nice little test team of Aaron Glenn and Ben Johnson teaming up together.

[Darius Butler]

Got a great team, great culture, great coordinators. And we've been talking all year long about the injuries on the defensive side of the ball. But Aaron Glenn, this defensive coordinator on that side, most likely will be a head coach in this cycle. Have these boys humming, man. But Kirby Joseph, since coming into the National Football League, he gets the ball in to be on the all everything DB team. I value ball production.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, congrats to Karvi Johnson. Let's go. He's also a mean cuss. Let's put that one in there as well. You gotta be, gotta be a dog to be on the oh, everything DB team.

[Darius Butler]

Yes, sir. Speaking of dogs, we've been talking about Jim Harbaugh a lot. He brought his defensive coordinator over from Michigan with him. Jeffsy Mentor and the guy. The centerpiece of this defense is Derwin James, a guy that can play and impact the defense on all three levels. So you can put him up near the line of scrimmage. He can rush the passer over five sacks this season. Also a bunch of tfl and then one game ending interception against the Atlanta Falcons. So in this game alone he had 10 tackles, two TFLs and interception. This is him on a big third and one shooting that gap, running down the play, making a tackle behind the line of scrimmage. Like I said, they put him around the ball a lot more this year. He played a ton in the slot as well. So he could have been a pro bowler and all pro at the slot. But you see the time and you see the anticipation of speed since he was a dog at Florida State State. And coming into the NFL multiple time first team all pro. Derwin James, the game breaker. It's him in the middle of the field, 4th and 12 to end the game. Reading it, reading it. Foot in the ground, Boom. Eyes back to the quarterback. Game ender, curtains. Derwin James is the other safety on the all everything dbt.

[Pat McAfee]

Wow, what a st. Congratulations to Derwin James. Hell of a year. And a guy who Jim Harbaugh said he was so lucky to have on the Chargers. Whenever he arrived there, yes, he talked about the pillars. He was like obviously golden goose. Justin Herbert. Then you think about Matlock. He had Matlock on that thing. Khalil Mack Bosa. Derwin James.

[AJ Hawk]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

If those guys are on your team, you can win. And coach Herbert also down in the weight room said he loves all these dudes. So not only on the field is Derwin James. Doug off the field, he's like a perfect leader. Loves ball, loves. Obsessed with football. Gonna have to if you want to be on the all everything D. Yes.

[Darius Butler]

Common theme with all these guys and all these defenses. A bunch of very, very high level competitors. Like high competes. That's what you got to create as a head coach and as a defensive coordinator guy. You talked about having a good year, got had a great year, bounce back year. I think it's the best slot defender National Football League this year. Marlon Humphrey over there, the Baltimore Ravens.

[Pat McAfee]

Congratulations, Marlin.

[Darius Butler]

Yes, sir. Everything to be obviously slot defender as near and dear to my heart. That's where I spent a lot. Played a lot of downs in the International Football League. You got to be involved in the run game, you got to be involved in the pass game, you got to be a communicator. Here's him actually on the outside. He played a lot of downs, most of down on the inside, but pretty much won this game. This is one of his two interceptions against the Bucks. This was a three point game. @ this point, Ravens were down. Needed. This play, if you run it back to the beginning or you can show the other angle. This is just him being head so up so three yard line. He's trying to run and chunk chuck this tight end out of bounce, which you can legally do within 5 yards or if the quarterback breaks the pocket. So he's trying to get him out of bounds because we all know once that receiver goes out of bounds, he can't be the first one to touch the football. And then gets his eyes back on the quarterback. Get back to the back PI pylon where Baker Mayfield was looking and gets this interception. Had another interception in this game. Had a big interception the Pittsburgh game. Six interceptions from Marlon Humphrey this year. Just a phenomenal, phenomenal player.

[Pat McAfee]

Congratulations, Marlon Humphrey, absolute dog. Now we need a corner or two to round out the all everything DB team.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, you need corners, you need guys that you can leave on the island. You need guys that can press, that can play off, that can tackle, and that can once again have some ball production. So Derek Stingley Jr. Came into the league. Yes, sir, came to the league couple years ago, top of the draft, number three overall pick. You don't see a lot of corners going number three overall. His skill set, so big part of playing DB is especially a DB like him. Follows the number one receivers once again, can play zone, can play, man. Right. If you pause it, that's Brian Thomas Jr. Had a great, a great rookie year out of LSU. And a lot of DBs in this situation are going to panic. You got a blazer a couple yards in front of you, you out of phase, so you panic. But not when you have the type of four, three blazing speed that Derek Stingley Jr. Has stayed composed, got his head back, played the ball great. Great ball skills can get in your face. We saw him get two interceptions against Tyreek Hill. It was a stretch, a four week stretch. This guy had four interceptions. Once again, I value ball production in his face. Once again. At this point, a lot of guys panic. He does not read in the eyes, reading the body language. Gets his eyes back, tried, tracks the ball, goes up and gets it. Just a phenomenal player that you can leave on an island and feel very, very comfortable.

[Pat McAfee]

Who was the quarterback here?

[Darius Butler]

This was Trevor Lawrence.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so there's a lot of people thinking to themselves like, hey, put the ball out there. He's got him. Throw it out, Hit him. He's got him out there. But Stingley's going to make a play regardless, we assume because of how great he is. You don't just fall onto the All Everything DB team. Now there's one spot remaining. Who will be on the 20, 24, 2025 All Everything DB team.

[Darius Butler]

Hey, there hasn't been many defensive player of the years that played the cornerback position. This guy right now is the betting favorite. Had a career high four interceptions this year, forced fumbles. Tackle can press, you can play off, can do everything. We talked about Nick Saban earlier. This is another Saban guy up here. Here, Cornerback Patrick Surtan II.

[Pat McAfee]

Congrats.

[Darius Butler]

PS2 to round it out. We got a boo here because Gonzo didn't make it, but. Oh, I'm sorry, what Was that.

[Boston Connor]

I was not booing.

[Darius Butler]

Booze has been misheard a lot last week. But yeah, no boos for him. This is him in cover too. Playing the flat against our Colts. Playing the flat defender. This is like China seven, hit seven, whatever you want to call this route concepts baited the quarterback into it, jumped the short route, sunk back, got some depth, went up high, pointed the football. This is Patrick Surtan football. Well, coach, not only from Nick Saban, but his pops, Miami Dolphin great. Patrick Certain, New Orleans guy, Dolphin great. Coached him up in high school and is still coaching right now. But Patrick Certain is the best corner in national football league and right now I believe. I'm not sure if this still the case. Tone the betting favorite to win a defensive player of the year. So he rounds out the all everything DB team. Great, great play.

[Pat McAfee]

Hell yeah. Congrats to all these guys. Thought we had some exciting whites that maybe were gonna make a run at this thing.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, maybe. Or like a Guy like Xavier McKinney, you know, you value ball production. Guy had eight picks. You know, you leave him off there.

[Darius Butler]

He did. He did have a. Because of what Dervin James, how he impacts the entirety of the game. I had to get him up there.

[Pat McAfee]

Sure.

[Darius Butler]

Kirby Joseph, he took the lead, got nine. But Xavier McKinney was there. I got guys, right. Brian Branch, Buddha Baker, Kyle Hamilton. All these guys could. Denzel Ward, Gonzo out in New England, Jaylen Johnson in Chicago, Diamond Lenor in San Francisco. Can. Are you looking for.

[Pat McAfee]

More?

[Darius Butler]

Indy Cooper was great. He was great. But he. He didn't start until like week five.

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe next year.

[Darius Butler]

Maybe next year. Defense took off with, to be fair.

[Pat McAfee]

So maybe next year.

[AJ Hawk]

Smith, Har Smith.

[Darius Butler]

Wow.

[Pat McAfee]

Hitman had a big pick. You know, he is. He's an absolute dog. Congrats on everybody for having a phenomenal season. And the all everything DB team is stacked and littered with greats who love ball ball and have been playing at a high level. And all those teams in the playoffs. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That is. It's kind of, kind of going hand in hand. This award.

[Darius Butler]

Absolutely.

[Pat McAfee]

Shout out to the trenches. Shout out to all everything DB team. That was fun. Be AJ what are your thoughts on the all everything DB team, pal?

[AJ Hawk]

I think it's amazing how many like elite second level defenders we have like D D going through the list of the guys that are just barely missing just making it like all of them are absolute studs. Like those guys can all play. I think we're in a great time for college and NFL like talent Wise, there's dudes everywhere.

[Pat McAfee]

The outside, the skill set. I'm not talking about offensive line because I think people have said there's maybe a problem at the offensive line for the next generation. But Bill Belichick, Michael Lombardi said they're going to go find some big boys and let them know that they'd be great offensive linemen and try to get them back into the sport. But on the outside, seven on sevens, one on ones, the way things have kind of gone gone, I think that's heightened the skill set and heightened everything going on the outside. Do you agree with that?

[Darius Butler]

Yes. And, you know, being in good AQ talked about it, being in a good system, being with good coach. Because if you take a guy like, you know, Kirby Joseph and try to make him a Derwin James, that might not work. Or you take a Derwin James and put him in center field, that might not work. Then you got freak shows like Certain and Stingley. You can kind of put those guys anywhere, but they're very, very valuable and they can follow number one receivers, receivers. And then moving Marlon Humphrey back to the slot, you know, that paid huge dividends for Zach Orr's defense in Baltimore, which in turn moved Kyle Hamilton back into the deeper part of the field. So having coaches that can put you in good situations, put you in good game plans and let you really play to your strengths, very, very important. And those, the points you mentioned about the 707, like all those reps matter, it's just like going to the golf range and hitting a bunch of balls. You can go out and get 50 reps of COVID And, you know, top flight got Meek Robinson, who had a huge game against Justin Jefferson this past weekend. He grew. They, they, they went to camps going up against each other. So that was a guy he was very familiar with. That's a challenge he asked for. So all that matters got a game.

[Pat McAfee]

Ball afterwards immediately and thanked the team. He was very. Yeah, that was a great post game speech by him. Kyle Hamilton was like a star, right? Yeah. They're playing him at like star position. He was kind of everywhere. It's star year and everything like that. And whenever Marlon Humphrey kind of was. Went back to that and he was just able to focus on one job almost.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

That's kind of how Chuck Pagano, I think was trying to talk about it made their entire defense.

[AJ Hawk]

Yes, right.

[Pat McAfee]

It made everybody better.

[Darius Butler]

Their past defense was horrible. Was they was giving up huge plays. Run defense has been great all year. Past defense was terrible. Even though they're Getting production from the guys up front, cutting guys loose, giving up. You know, quarterbacks too good. They're going to find a open guy, they're going to make big plays. So once they fix, fix that, I mean, they're tough to beat.

[Pat McAfee]

It feels like explosive play stat became the. The hot stat this year on who decides games, College ball. It's being talked about. Nick Saban even was the one that made me really think about it because he was like the other than the score. Obviously the most important stat on who's winning these games is explosive plays. Like he said. He said in Nick Saban's old school, you know, so whenever he's like saying this is something everybody needs paying attention to and they start looking in the NFL, it's like, hey, normally who has more explosive plays is going to win this? That is almost all secondary shit. Because run can obviously be an explosive play, but safety can save that.

[Darius Butler]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Long ball is an explosive play. Who can stop that? Second, like very vital pieces to winning games. All of a sudden, you know, even though it's a run game, it's becoming more of a running game. It's like you got to have dogs now that could tackle and also cover four three for Stingley. You talk about that. You got four threes and four twos all over that place.

[Darius Butler]

All those guys can run. Typically, big plays come down to somebody losing leverage. So probably a bad edge or a bad gap or, you know, you got two guys go outside of a. Of a offensive player or two guys inside. So if you vice tackle because players are too good, they're going to make plays, but it's about tackling them, limiting the yak and the ref back, getting those guys on the ground. You talked about running backs last year. I don't believe there was one back with 300 carries. And I think this year it's like four, four or five guys. So, yeah, it's kind of come full circle. Been able to control that clock and then create turnovers and then create those explosive plays like you mentioned.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm excited to watch the playoffs. We got a lot of good football happening right now. A lot of good teams. There were some crap games there for a while because I think there was two different classes in the NFL. I think there was. Was and at the positions. There was two different classes. Offensive line, big probably in the secondary. Yeah, let's go and have a great playoff, shall we? With super wild card weekend kicking it all off on Saturday and then the college football playoffs tomorrow and Friday. We'll be live from the Orange bowl tomorrow. And then college game day. And then we'll be doing a simulcast on ESPN2 for Notre Dame versus Penn State. And then we'll try to get over to Texas even though there's a snowstorm going on For Ohio State vs Texas on Friday night, there'll be a college game day at 6 to 7:30, and then the game kicking off at 7:30. We will be off because I believe there is things happening and we're incredibly lucky to do all this before we get out of here. Akush, you want to do a. Oh, yes. Let's do it.

[Darius Butler]

Let's go, Akush.

[Pat McAfee]

Here we go. Oh.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, oh, oh, oh.

[AJ Hawk]

Talking to the boys before the game make you.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's not good.

[Boston Connor]

You didn't do it.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, but you didn't even say it.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's not good.

[AQ Shipley]

I was just doing the hand.

[Boston Connor]

You could have yelled.

[Pat McAfee]

Just watch this. Watch this. This never happens. Oh, I know. He's finishing it.

[Ty Schmidt]

He's ready to go.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Yeah. You. You didn't even do the we are pen.

[Boston Connor]

Noted by 10.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, my God. Get there.

[AJ Hawk]

We are.

[Pat McAfee]

Penn State was coming when you got Michael Cole rhythm.

[Boston Connor]

That was the end of it.

[Darius Butler]

As the fate of the Nittany Lions.

[Pat McAfee]

What do you want to do?

[Boston Connor]

It holds on this ball weekend.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's go. All right. You got to throw that way.

[AQ Shipley]

All right.

[Pat McAfee]

30 people can win $500. The Penn State Nittany Lions will beat Notre Dame. If you put that football into that hoop right over there, all you will have to do is repost this post, say something nice to somebody, and put the easiest way to pay you. And all AQ has to do is make it happen. Why don't you do it for the people, aq? Why don't you do it for peace?

[Boston Connor]

Didn't do it again.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, and he missed. Yeah. Wow.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's a good toss, but hit the rim.

[Pat McAfee]

I thought you were gonna maybe be too jacked up because of the. Oh, oh, oh, oh. 30 people, $500. All you gotta do is put the ball into the hoop right over there. A Q. SH Shipley, super bowl champion.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, wow.

[Pat McAfee]

Looks good. Both these are good. We don't need a full. You know.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Don't need to be patting that. We don't need a full pot. Those are good throws. You should be excited about what just happened.

[Boston Connor]

Fire that thing.

[Pat McAfee]

Can you do the hand thing again? Yeah, that's part of the problem.

[Boston Connor]

What?

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, bushwackers. Let's go and get it done. Brother. Brother. 30 people, 500 all I gotta do is put that ball into that hoop right over there. Don't. That was a good throw. Yeah, I'm like that. You didn't pot right there.

[Boston Connor]

Finally, he did for a second.

[AJ Hawk]

Drop those readers down.

[AQ Shipley]

It's like the old.

[Pat McAfee]

No, no. I think. No, no.

[AJ Hawk]

On.

[Pat McAfee]

On.

[AQ Shipley]

I can't see.

[AJ Hawk]

It's only for sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, the readers, A.J.

[AJ Hawk]

I don't understand.

[Pat McAfee]

They're for reading for things that are close up. Side. You.

[Darius Butler]

Near side.

[Boston Connor]

No, no. Farsight.

[Pat McAfee]

Far side.

[Boston Connor]

Not nearsighted.

[AQ Shipley]

I can see way over.

[Pat McAfee]

Really? Like a Hawkeye. Hawkeye.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

But if it's right up in front of you, it's a little bury. I got that Lasik done, and they're saying that that's going to happen to me is I'm going to be able to see, but I'm not going to be able to see anything here.

[Boston Connor]

That's the ideal situation.

[Pat McAfee]

That's okay. I readers.

[AQ Shipley]

I legit thought it was over.

[Darius Butler]

Like, I did, and I was delicious.

[AQ Shipley]

Are you talking about, like, whenever my.

[Pat McAfee]

Whatever.

[AQ Shipley]

My vision started to go, I thought it was it like.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, you think your brain. I didn't want to.

[Michael Cole]

Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

I didn't want to go see a doctor. I was like, all right, this is it. Like. And I'm sitting there, my wife's looking over me. I'm watching film. I'm looking at my phone. I'm just, like, beating my head.

[Ty Schmidt]

I'm like.

[Pat McAfee]

She's like, what are you doing?

[AQ Shipley]

I'm like. I'm trying to put it back into focus.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Because it starts losing focus. Yeah. Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

I'm gonna make you an eye appointment. That's what it was.

[Ty Schmidt]

I didn't even thought it.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. What? Just trying to bang on the side of the tv. That was close. When they're static on a television back in the day. Come on, refocus in. What are you boys doing? Jeez. A man with terrible eyes says he's gonna put that football in that hoop right over there for 30 people to win $500. Do it for Penn State, pal. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. That one you should have had a little bit. That one you should have battled.

[AQ Shipley]

I actually felt good about that one when I left.

[Pat McAfee]

What? It came out like a bottle rocket. The first couple were flat.

[AQ Shipley]

I was trying to get a little arc.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. But that one went. I think that ball was making its own decisions, you know what I mean? Because it might have came off the pinky a little bit. AJ Actually has something to say to you as two big Ten representatives are still in the semifinals. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

First off, congrats to. To Penn State aq. But maybe if before this throw. Could you do that, Pat, I remember we watched. Isn't the Penn State band guy that does the running, like front flip to start the game? And if he lands it, they're gonna win. If he misses it, they're gonna lose.

[Pat McAfee]

You can use the stage to get a little bit more height so you.

[AJ Hawk]

Don'T hit your head or have someone help you rotate. You know, if someone stands there and rotates you a little bit.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. It's not. Is it a backflip or front? Mickey Moss front flip's a lot harder than a backflip. Personally. Yes, I believe I. I've been able to do a backflip for. For a long time. Front flip's always hard. Even on a trampoline. I get a little scared doing a front flip. Can't see the landing, can you, standing back? Used to be able to. Yeah. I could probably still do it if I wanted to. I don't know about that. I ripped my hip flex. It used to be my party trick. It was a pretty good party.

[AQ Shipley]

I can do it off a back.

[Pat McAfee]

Or what you call it.

[AQ Shipley]

A diving board.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Into a pool.

[Boston Connor]

Get one of those.

[Pat McAfee]

You have the capability of doing it well. Yeah. We'll move one in. We'll wait for Debo. Go pick it up. So why don't you sit down before we get the diving board back in here? Get a high dive off the top of the sun. It'll be easy. Do the entire. It'll be no problem at all. All right, perfect. We'll wait.

[AQ Shipley]

This one's going in.

[Darius Butler]

It is.

[Pat McAfee]

We're waiting on a diving board, I believe. Get trampoline in here, please. Stat. Can we please do that?

[Darius Butler]

I think everybody can do a backflip off a diving board too.

[Pat McAfee]

Not everybody. Some people can't get over. They can't get their brains.

[Boston Connor]

The mental hurdle to get over.

[Pat McAfee]

You know what I mean?

[AQ Shipley]

Can you do one?

[Darius Butler]

They're.

[Pat McAfee]

They are. I agree. Just go. Go. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Did you grow up trampoline ever?

[Darius Butler]

No, not much. I was. I. I had a fear of trampolines for a while. I saw a bad, bad injury on the trampoline.

[Pat McAfee]

It got sent off.

[Darius Butler]

No, like an ankle. Just go the wrong way. Some jumping it was, you know, down and double bounce.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it was. It was bad.

[Darius Butler]

So that kind of. Certain things I saw as a kid, like ice skating. So I bet my brother cut his finger real bad. Ice Skating. I was never. I think, yeah. Trampolines.

[Ty Schmidt]

You're not an ice skater.

[Darius Butler]

No shot. Just watching.

[Pat McAfee]

Did not see it.

[Ty Schmidt]

Wouldn't have guessed that.

[Pat McAfee]

That is crazy, isn't it? Yeah, that's wild to think about.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Crazy, man. Jot that down on a did not know list.

[Darius Butler]

No, no. Got scared away from the ice.

[Pat McAfee]

I can't skate really either. Jerry. Rollerblade.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Those are good times.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Just have great escape rings.

[Pat McAfee]

The tramp.

[AQ Shipley]

Great times.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. The trampoline and rollerblading era was a good time.

[Ty Schmidt]

Top notch.

[Pat McAfee]

That was a really good time. I was. I don't want to toot my own horn too much, but trampoline, I was a menace on that. I could really go talking, like, double backflips at one point. I used to really just send it on those things for no reason at all either. Like, what's this for? I just see if I could do it. And then you see somebody double. Exactly. It ends up helping me out, you know, I did that backflip off the top rope. I haven't been in a ring in a year. And then you go up there and it's like, well, hope we still got it. And then as you're doing, it's like in my knees. Is this gonna. What is gonna happen here? When I hit the ground, then land. It's like, all good. Trampoline era was cool. They still do them.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, back. Yeah, they're still doing, like, not just the standalone trampolines, but, like, these jump houses or places like adrenaline and.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, those are huge.

[Pat McAfee]

Look.

[Darius Butler]

Best place to take young kids to just all your energy.

[Pat McAfee]

Trampoline's awesome.

[Darius Butler]

Dodgeball rims. They got slam ball.

[Pat McAfee]

Needs come back. They tried. It was. I think they. The wrong group of people stunk. Yeah. I think the way they were going about it was just not the right way. Felt a little arrogant. Should have been a little bit more humble. They were acting like they were the best basketball, I think, if I remember. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

And they also put it on at, like, 12:30 at night. It's like, okay, maybe let's do it when everyone's not in bed.

[Hammer Don]

What do you mean? 12:30. 1:00's not a good time to do something.

[Ty Schmidt]

I know. It's crazy, right?

[Pat McAfee]

Tone.

[Hammer Don]

Hey, Adrenaline kind of has slam ball was there on Saturday. Great time.

[Pat McAfee]

How'd you do? Did you get in there?

[Hammer Don]

I. I did. I sweat. I sweat a good bit. So I got out pretty quickly, but.

[Pat McAfee]

We had a couple trampolines on the street. Ton those.

[Hammer Don]

I was There for to toddler time if you go on Fridays and Saturdays. Five, five and under it. And so I felt bad kind of knocking some kids around, but that'll happen.

[Pat McAfee]

I had to do it for a.

[Boston Connor]

Teach from a lesson.

[Pat McAfee]

Had to it for a dollar. All right. A you failed, everybody. Oh, you want one more shot?

[Boston Connor]

An NFL ball, Duke. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Super wild card weekend. Yeah. Connor has a motivational quote.

[Boston Connor]

Since it's an NFL ball. Penn State lost 20 nothing. Notre Dame stings for you. It's kind of on you, but you can at least make 30 people happier by putting this ball and just fire that pixie man.

[Pat McAfee]

I like that con man. Hey, before you throw that, that the other half of the talks table has something to say to you too.

[Ty Schmidt]

I do. Aq, please make this I have to take a shite. So bad. So bad.

[Pat McAfee]

Show has been extended here about 25, 30 minutes. Cuz can't put a ball into a hoop. We had the trenches, we had the All Everything DB team and now do we have 30 people winning $500?

[AQ Shipley]

No chance.

[Boston Connor]

No chance. It'd be cool if you made it.

[Pat McAfee]

On the O, but 30 people, $500? Oh, no. Too much. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, good throw.

[Darius Butler]

Best throw.

[Pat McAfee]

Good throw.

[AJ Hawk]

What a throw.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, it doesn't mean shite, but good throw.

[AQ Shipley]

That was a good throw.

[Pat McAfee]

Close only counts horseshoes, hand grenades and.

[Darius Butler]

Botchy and atom bombs.

[Pat McAfee]

And so that's the thing about those bombs. I don't think has to be close. That's why it's different. Oppenheimer said you just put it in.

[Ty Schmidt]

An area, put it anywhere, it'll take out the whole city.

[Pat McAfee]

Then he had great regret.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

From the movie I saw, you can see why. Yeah. It's two movies in one movie. I'd be okay if they just did one movie, but I. I watched the whole thing. I learned a lot there. Didn't you? Great movie. You slapped a lot of cheeks, Oppenheimer. Yeah, it did seem like he liked porking a little bit. They're calling pork and heimer a little lot. Wow, really? Yeah, cuz he was slinging it. You married? Let me get some. I got to split the atom over here. All right. Yeah. For the good of the world. Help me out a little bit. All right. Next time you see us, we'll be in Miami. A nice cool 55 degree down there in Miami. Yes. Can't wait to get down there. College football playoff semifinals are kicking off tomorrow night. Oh, we'll be on a sideline. Super wild car weekends this weekend. So much good's happening. Hey Ton, why don't you come out of Hammer Time TGL's area. Come on over here. Doing the TGL podcast, sports gambling podcast. After every one of our shows. Hammer done's got no shoes on. Oh, nice. Tons got no shoes. We try to have a rule here. Don't wear your outside shoes inside. Cuz we don't need to be dragging a bunch of in here. We would like to see some sort of footwear though. Well, that's. We're at a stage of life where I think, you know, and there's lockers and a lot of things where we can all get some good shoes if we wanted them. But the thing about Ton is he wants to let us know he's so comfortable here. It's like he's at home. We appreciate you.

[Hammer Don]

I don't need to take time and effort to put fucking shoes back on.

[Pat McAfee]

All right. Didn't need to hear that. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change their life. We're in this thing together. Let's never forget that. Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three, team goodbye.