PMS 2.0 1277 - JJ Watt, Puka Nacua, Dan Orlovsky, NFL Films VP Keith Cossrow, AQ Shipley, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Summary

The Pat McAfee Show - Episode PMS 2.0 1277 Summary

Release Date: January 15, 2025

In Episode 1277 of The Pat McAfee Show, titled "PMS 2.0 1277," host Pat McAfee and his crew delve into a myriad of hot-button issues and exciting sports discussions, featuring a star-studded lineup of guests including J.J. Watt, Puka Nacua, Dan Orlovsky, NFL Films VP Keith Cosrow, AQ Shipley, Darius Butler, and AJ Hawk.

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1. TikTok Shutdown Concerns

The episode kicks off with a pressing discussion about the potential shutdown of TikTok, a platform integral to the show's digital presence. Pat McAfee expresses skepticism about Mr. Wonderful's (Kevin O'Leary) ability to secure a $60 billion purchase to save TikTok from Chinese ownership.

Pat McAfee (01:36): "Mr. Wonderful said, I'll buy it. And we said, okay, Mr. Wonderful, where the fuck are you finding $60 billion from?"

The hosts lament the loss of their TikTok Live crew, emphasizing the platform's role in their daily content creation and audience engagement.

Pat McAfee (04:05): "I do not know how TikTok operates but I do know our shows on TikTok and I do know whenever I go around the country for college game day and I see they say we watch your clips on TikTok."

2. Pittsburgh Steelers Under Scrutiny

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to an in-depth analysis of the Pittsburgh Steelers. The conversation revolves around the strained relationships between key figures such as Russell Wilson and Artie Smith, quarterback Justin Fields' performance, and the ongoing team dynamics. NFL veteran and Steelers alum Keith Cosrow provides insider perspectives on the team's struggles and the possible future trajectory.

Keith Cosrow (16:21): "They just keep putting band aids on things. They don't do a full wholesale change."

The hosts debate whether head coach Mike Tomlin should remain or if a complete overhaul is necessary, reflecting the frustrations of Steelers fans.

Pat McAfee (18:04): "I think there's a point in time where sometimes it just wears out. Its welcome. He's a phenomenal football coach."

3. Offensive Line Power Rankings

Darius Butler introduces the OG in the Trenches Power Rankings, evaluating the top offensive lines remaining in the NFL playoffs. The rankings highlight the excellence of teams like the Philadelphia Eagles, Baltimore Ravens, Buffalo Bills, Kansas City Chiefs, and others, while also critiquing the Houston Texans and Washington Commanders for their offensive line deficiencies.

Keith Cosrow (173:58): "They got the whole offensive line pretty damn good. The reason they became great this year. Spencer Brown. Let's take a look at the right tackle."

Pat McAfee (175:21): "They have Pro bowlers and all pros almost everywhere."

4. Interview with J.J. Watt

Former NFL star J.J. Watt joins the show to discuss the Houston Texans' defense. Watt praises the team's edge rushers and cornerbacks, acknowledging their potential to contend in the playoffs despite offensive struggles.

J.J. Watt (19:28): "This Texans defense, I think we give a ton of credit to the edge rushers, and rightfully so."

Watt also touches upon Joe Tunney's move to left tackle and the challenges he faces against formidable players like Daniel Hunter and Will Anderson.

5. NFL Films and Hard Knocks Insights

Keith Cosrow provides a behind-the-scenes look at NFL Films' involvement with Hard Knocks and in-season shows. He discusses the challenges of showcasing teams undergoing turmoil versus successful squads, emphasizing the importance of narrative and authenticity in sports documentaries.

Keith Cosrow (133:34): "Nobody wants to watch a show about a team that's enduring that situation when, when, when everything, you know, players are getting hurt, things are falling apart."

The conversation highlights the evolving relationship between NFL Films and sports media, acknowledging the impact of meme culture and social media on traditional sports broadcasting.

Pat McAfee (151:02): "We negotiated the deal was the first ever, yada, yada. It was pretty cool."

6. Future of Coaching and Player Development

Dan Orlovsky shares his aspirations to transition into coaching, reflecting on the structured environment and the desire to be part of a team dynamic once again. The discussion touches upon the evolving landscape of quarterback coaching and the importance of playbook mastery.

Dan Orlovsky (77:42): "Every single guy on that Chiefs team knows it doesn't matter about me, doesn't matter about my individual stats. This is about winning Super Bowls."

Orlovsky also critiques the increasing entitlement among athletes, attributing it to changes in youth and college sports dynamics, and discusses strategies for maintaining discipline and performance in high-pressure environments.

Dan Orlovsky (81:41): "I do think that there's just an era of athlete going into the NFL that's a little bit different than the ones of the past."

7. Additional Sports Discussions and Banter

The episode is peppered with light-hearted banter about golf simulators (TGL), late-night shows, and humorous anecdotes about the show's crew and guests. Conversations extend to the challenges of modern sports media, the intricacies of player interactions, and the blending of sports with entertainment.

Pat McAfee (59:24): "I enjoy sports. I enjoy competition. I enjoy watching people do their thing."

The hosts also engage in playful critiques of emerging sports formats and the integration of celebrities like Mr. Beast into potential business endeavors.

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Conclusions and Takeaways

Episode 1277 of The Pat McAfee Show offers a comprehensive exploration of current NFL dynamics, team performances, and the intersection of sports with digital media. The discussion underscores the complexities of team management, the critical role of offensive lines in football success, and the evolving challenges posed by social media platforms like TikTok. By blending expert analysis with his signature humor and engaging with prominent sports figures, Pat McAfee ensures that both casual listeners and avid fans find value and entertainment in every episode.

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Note: Timestamps are approximate and referenced based on the transcript provided.

Transcript

[Pat McAfee]

Hello, beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode. The Thunderdome. On this. Wow. Wednesday, January 15, 2025. This program starts now. Football is awesome and obviously I'm super fashionable today. Okay. This is camouflage shirt that my wife got me for Christmas. I'm a 37 year old. This seems like a midlife crisis on your screen, but it was the only shirt I had in the office. I don't love it, but here we are. Also take a look at this snowy cityscape here of Indianapolis, Indiana, created by AI and Zeet Collab. Want to let you know it's cold as the dickens here in the Midwest. We hope you are a. Okay obviously out there in California. T's and peace for everything you have going on. Still, I believe there's another gust of wind coming through. We couldn't fathom the devastation that's taking place over there. We will continue to try to be the distraction on the screen. The doofuses who will hopefully try. Try to lighten up your day a little bit today. J.J. watt will be joining us. Dan Orlovsky will be joining us. And Keith Cosrow, who is a yinzer who's been working at NFL Films for 25 plus years, will be joining us in a third hour on YouTube, ESPN plus, Disney plus.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

And in three more days.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

TikTok Live.

[Connor]

Drink it in.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't want to say we are ahead of this. And people that have followed the program for a long time started in 2017 when I retired. We were ahead of a lot of things, world news things. Okay? We talked about Jim Kong a lot. People thought we were just making things up. And then all of a sudden, guess who shot an 18 on a golf course?

[Ty Schmidt]

RIP IP.

[Pat McAfee]

Jim Kong made a whole song about it. Nobody's talking about this guy. He's a menace. There's a little bit going on over here. We called the first upset of the 2020 election what was gonna happen because we had been following tea leaves and we have been the only program that has been openly saying, hey, they need to figure it out with TikTok. TikTok is gonna end this Sunday, allegedly. Whoa. Done China, who owns it, which has been a big part of the problem, I guess. And this entire thing, if you've been paying attention to it, they said, we'll shut it down. We got no problems. And then Mr. Wonderful said, I'll buy it. And we said, okay, Mr. Wonderful, where the fuck are you finding $60 billion from? I'm sure you'd be able to figure it out. He Dr. Elon, potentially, I guess he's out. We need Bezos or one of these big money Americans to cut. Not saying Elon is an American, you get it. But we need somebody big money that's associated with the United States of America to buy this thing. And this might just be a leverage play by China with TikTok. But they're saying they're shutting this thing down on Sunday. They're shutting it down. So to our TikTok Live crew, a record breaking day yesterday. It's been fun.

[Ty Schmidt]

True on to talk.

[Pat McAfee]

It's been an honor and obviously to talk the man who edits all of our TikToks and has found a nice little career here.

[Connor]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

Lived a good little life.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

He's done on Sunday. It's over sharpened.

[Connor]

I know guys losing jobs over here.

[Pat McAfee]

Because the entirety of it all. But let's enjoy it while we have talks still in the building.

[Connor]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

There's people talking about maybe just not only just firing him but yeah.

[Connor]

Public erasing him.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I don't think we should do that.

[Connor]

That seems a little, I mean guillotine.

[Ty Schmidt]

On the center of the stage.

[Pat McAfee]

See that's what's being pitched by a talks to the table. That's that boss Connor and anti Schmidt. We won't be doing that. We will miss talk. He potentially just transitions into reels. A lot of transitions happening these days. He potentially transitions from talk into reels on Sunday. But that's tbd, you know, in this entire thing we would like to let Tick tock know. Don't shut it down, don't shut it down. Let's keep it going, you know but let's also make sure it's in the right hands. Yeah. And who is in right hands? Just saw Zuckerberg doing an entire interview. Is that the right hand? I don't know. Because the way things are going. Wild world wild. Time to be alive. Lucky to be here. We just. TikTok is on its last legs. It is.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Sad.

[Ty Schmidt]

I'm that can't let Johnna win again.

[Pat McAfee]

Not even for a second.

[Connor]

Not for a second.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what they're saying. Yeah, exactly. Nine year NFL vet who wins all the time. Darius J. Butler's here.

[Darius Butler]

Yes, sir.

[Pat McAfee]

Debunch. I don't have the TikTok app on my phone.

[Darius Butler]

I do not either.

[Pat McAfee]

I do not know how TikTok operates but I do know our shows on TikTok and I do know whenever I go around the country for college game day and I see they say we watch your clips on TikTok. And once again, that's because of how talented. Talk is over. That guy's got one ear on the show, one ear on the. He's captioning every single word. I don't think he stops working for a 10 hour period straight. This guy's plugged in, dialed in all day. It's over.

[Darius Butler]

Rest in peace. I refuse to download it as well, because I'm a rabbit hole type of guy. I feel like it's way too many rabbit holes on TikTok. Huge search engine too. A lot of people, kids, older folks. Hey, I want to go on vacation here. I want to learn how to build this, learn how to take pictures. We look on TikTok, so it is a valuable place and space. I still think it's too big to fill.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, well, you've been saying that since the beginning.

[Darius Butler]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

John said, we'll shut it down. We'll shut it down.

[Darius Butler]

We'll see.

[Pat McAfee]

And America said, yeah, go ahead, shut it down. We don't care. You got our youth, huh, in the palm of your hands. That's what you think they do. They do. Everybody's on that thing. And you said rabbit hole. I, from my understanding of watching Mitt whoa. Through TikTok, it is just a rabbit. That's what it is. It is actually built to be a rabbit hole. One after another after another after another after another after another. You look up, holy shit. China's got me locked in here for.

[Connor]

The last hour and a half. Exactly. I've Chinese now.

[Ty Schmidt]

Speak of Mandarin, that's what happens.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that's what they're saying.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know enough about it. Cause I don't have. But that is what they're saying.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Foxy planned an entire honeymoon off of TikTok. Yeah. I was planning on doing that again, but now I can't. So I'm planning on another wedding. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What do you mean? You planning another honeymoon? Oh, yeah, vacation. We got vacation coming up.

[AQ Shipley]

We gotta plan that.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Another Honeyman would need another wedding, which we do not want. We've already had two. Well, if I say it's my honeymoon, then I can get a lot of free stuff, so I might do that actually. Yeah, Always at the places you're going. It's either a birthday or a honeymoon for sure. Even if it's just an added benefit of the chocolate strawberries.

[Ty Schmidt]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Or an extra robe or two. Certainly worthy of getting back something. So definitely a birthday trip or a honeymoon trip all the time. That's a Nice little life hack there, Foxy. Yeah, definitely. And also I would say out of all the social media platforms, TikTok is definitely the friendliest to our program, specifically. Really the program. They love the program over there on TikTok, so positive, good vibes all the time. Oh, we do get banned off there quickly. You mention something and all of a sudden your show's been taken down or you piss off some people and they just attack it. Reportedly taken down. Like I think a lot of AR's fans went after us. Zaire's fans took us down. We'll piss off some people in certain companies, they'll attack our TikTok, report it and they'll take us down. But TikTok's been good to us.

[AQ Shipley]

It has.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know how it works, but it's been good to us and we're appreciative of that. And I'm a miss Talk around here.

[Connor]

I know.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, me too.

[Pat McAfee]

Good kid. So a moment of silence for him. The most dialed in editor in the history of editing. The only thing you ever heard from him was his loud ass feet pummeling a treadmill at the end of a day after editing 45 TikToks and captioning them all, couple of them will get sent through and I go, nope, not doing that. And he goes, wow, thanks for wasting 35 minutes of my life. He doesn't care, Never bitches, never complains. Just continues to work. A robot in human form. TOC had a great run here, Talk. Great work, buddy.

[Ty Schmidt]

Don't miss you talk.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Miss you talk.

[Ty Schmidt]

Fall on his feet flat.

[Pat McAfee]

He will fall on his flat feet. That is something he would do. There's talk right there and it's time in it. That's kind of apropos. It is apropos that he was clockers. It is. It is time. Talk is a Massachusetts legend, a Fairfield stag.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

An Emmy award winner at his previous job. And for us he was an absolute nuke on TikTok. And I think it's because of the threat of nukes. Why TikTok is going to stop. Exactly.

[Ty Schmidt]

Which that AI photo, you know, it's supposed to be snow, but through the camera, sure looks like Indy's taking one to the chin.

[Pat McAfee]

This is Indianapolis, Indiana, obviously. Clearly you can see it. A lot of buildings. There's more buildings than just these buildings, but that is it. The future's bright. Not for talk, but for everybody else. Right. Let's never forget that. Let's enjoy this life. 12 year NFL vet is here also. A big tiktoker. Super bowl champion.

[Keith Cosrow]

AQ Shipley actually just joined this year. I'm on TikTok.

[Pat McAfee]

You have TikTok on your phone. Yeah. See, they got you that. They've been listening. That's potentially why you're getting whenever you get home.

[Connor]

Could be.

[Pat McAfee]

We don't know if that AQ Shipley is a. A drunk driver accident survivor last week, correct?

[Keith Cosrow]

That's correct.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't give away too much of your business. Yeah. You land back in Phoenix after doing your AQ in the trenches stuff here and you're driving home.

[Keith Cosrow]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

And some boozed up lady comes popping out of a bar. Bam. Smashes you. Airbags.

[Keith Cosrow]

Airbags. Front gone. Totaled everything.

[Pat McAfee]

You're okay though.

[Keith Cosrow]

Stomach bruised beyond belief.

[Pat McAfee]

What do you mean stomach? I don't think I understand what you mean. What do you crazy.

[Keith Cosrow]

It's bruised.

[Pat McAfee]

What do you mean it's bruised?

[Keith Cosrow]

I. I thought it was airbag. These guys tell me it's seatbelt.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, because you had your seatbelt on. Yeah, I did. You're a good guy.

[Keith Cosrow]

How about that?

[Pat McAfee]

How about that boost bag lady trying to take you out.

[Keith Cosrow]

Unbelievable.

[Pat McAfee]

Lucky it was you in an suv. Could have been anybody else in this stage. Drunk driving done Arizona. Very. They don't treat drunk drivers well. Right.

[Keith Cosrow]

Oh, back. See ya. Yeah, that car. See ya.

[Ty Schmidt]

Put her in a can and sent her into the sea.

[Pat McAfee]

Talk's doing the same thing here on Sunday.

[Keith Cosrow]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's talk some ball, shall we? Let's go to Hammer. AP Town. We're learning a lot about the Pittsburgh Steelers. Did you see the Mark Caboli report on X? Mark Caboli, who is contributor to this particular program and the WWE Debone, makes his graphics for every one of his tweets that he writes out. I think he's done a great job kind of changing the local circle sports reporter game. Just post on X and the views that he's getting on some of these are hundreds of thousands, where maybe in the past it was just tens of thousands. Whatever the case, more people are able to see the local reporting, which is a beautiful thing. The local reporters deserve to continue to exist. The local reporters, you know, have a beat on the things that are going on, which is why they are beat reporters. Marco Boli is certainly the first of many. I assume they'll be taking his talents strictly to X because there's no real length limit where you can just type up an entire article in the article that he released yesterday kind of surrounding and involving the Pittsburgh Steelers. He said reports surfaced during the year that offense coordinator Ari Smith preferred Fields over Wilson, but that was never substantiated. Says Mark Poly. Never substantiated. He was being talked about. There was rumblings still, despite Wilson and Smith spending countless hours together after the typical workday, watching film and publicly joking about it. Team source recently said that Wilson and Smith did not have a very good working relationship, but fought through their differences as best they could. Whoa. I thought these two were thick as thieves. Just yesterday we're talking about maybe Russ and Artie Smith going to a team together because of how much they are. Allegedly their wives had to joke about how much time they're spending together instead of spending with the family. Now Caboli's saying maybe they aren't getting along. Now Artie Smith is interviewing for a couple head coaching jobs. Russell Wilson's a free agent. I'm seeing him work out. He looks unbelievable. He's back to work. Oh, yeah, he's back to work. Team three already. He's back to work. He said, you know, the grind never stops. New year, new season, let's get back to work. What are your thoughts on everything that's kind of unfolding with this Pittsburgh Steelers team? Pickens late to the Christmas game, amongst other things, Artie Smith, Russell Wilson, allegedly potentially not on the same page. Justin Fields, obviously not as much like during the season, but now he's being spoke about a little bit more glowingly by people. Where do the Pittsburgh Steelers fall right now, and what are your thoughts on the future from your particular standpoint?

[Gumpy]

Obviously, things could be better. Things could be a lot better. They're not great right now because there's a lot of stuff coming out and not a lot of it is good. The Artie Smith and Russell Wilson stuff wouldn't be super surprising to me. You know, Artie Smith, a salt of the earth, Mustachio man. Russell Wilson wears his own jersey, you know, a lot. We know Russ, we know Team three. He was great for us all season long. But, you know, the oil and water type situation that could be between him and Artie Smith is not exactly surprising. But, you know, they are professionals, so they tried to work together, you know, and Artie Smith spoke glowingly of Justin Fields all year. And Mike Tomlin was asked, you know, did Justin Fields show enough that he could be the starter for this team next year? And Mike Tomlin said, absolutely. So if I'm reading the tea leaves, I would personally put my money on Justin Fields to be the potential starter for next year.

[AQ Shipley]

1.

[Gumpy]

I think he'll be cheaper in that situation. And he's much, much, much younger than Russell Wilson is. And we're trying to find the future other than. I mean, the George Pickens stuff. Mike Tomlinson said he's got a lot of growing to do. I know a lot of Steelers fans wouldn't be sad if there's a lot of, hey, let's just trade GP and get this over with situations going around. You know, we've had. We've had wide receivers in the past. You know, George.

[Pat McAfee]

Or.

[Gumpy]

Sorry. Antonio Brown, Deontay Johnson, Clay, Chase, Claypole. There's. There's becoming a bit of a trend in Pittsburgh with the wide receivers. While they are very good.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, one of them hall of Fame, the other one's not so much. Let's make sure we remember that, you know. Yes, everybody. Bring the Steelers fans, I think bring up AB AB it's like, AB Also best player on the football field. These other guys not. You know, I mean, maybe George Pickens will become that with the amount of ability that he has and amount of talent he has, but it hasn't happened just yet. Maybe it's the offense, maybe it's him. But, like, I think you're willing to go through that with AB because it's like, yes, this guy.

[Ty Schmidt]

1.

[Pat McAfee]

This guy worked his ass off, too, at practice. It was a. Was a worker like that is what he's known. You don't become that great without all the work. It was just also, you know, everything else kind of surrounding AB That Tomlin had to navigate, negotiate Deontay Johnson. They're coming out saying, this guy's the biggest bum that has ever come through the NFL. Wasted talent because of an attitude problem. He's been on four different teams in the last eight months. He just got cut from a playoff team because after a win, he was potting about how many times he got the ball. You're new to the team, pal. You just got there. You guys just won the playoffs. Can't be pouting. D'Amico says get the hell out of here. To Deontay Johnson and Chase Claypool. I mean, that first year, he was great.

[Gumpy]

10 touchdowns.

[Pat McAfee]

Had a lot of other people on the field with him, too, right at that time.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And then obviously, he becomes a TikTok.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah. Fashion guy.

[Pat McAfee]

Juju.

[Gumpy]

Thanks.

[Connor]

Turned into a Chinese guy.

[Pat McAfee]

No, he's Canadian.

[Ty Schmidt]

No, I know Canadian. Chinese.

[Pat McAfee]

You're talking about TikTok taking him down.

[Connor]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

That's maybe when Gallagher and the government said, we gotta stop this, needs to Stop. Now he's taking down NFL players. This is Gallagher's deal. These guys are too busy. Well, if it's anti China, you know, it's Gallagher. But these NFL guys are doing all this, doing the dances. We just want ball. TikTok's doing it. And then he started snooping around. He said, let's get him out of there. But to your point about the wide receivers at the Pittsburgh Steelers, it's like, how come it only happens there? Seemingly it doesn't happen everywhere else. I think it does happen everywhere, everywhere else. The Steelers, though, just get amplified because they're always going to be in the playoffs, always going to win, and then they're going to fail. And then you start pointing out what's the issues. Well, there's red flags here, there's red flags here, there's red flags here. Let's go to a 12 year NFL veteran, Super bowl champion, former member of the Pittsburgh Steelers, actually drafted to the Pittsburgh Steelers. If I do recall, Aq Shipley back in your hometown of Pittsburgh, a lot of drama right now saying there's going to be changes on all levels. What does that mean to you as somebody that's been around ball?

[Keith Cosrow]

The biggest issue that Pittsburgh keeps doing is they just keep putting band aids on things. They don't do a full wholesale change. So it's like, okay, we're going to take one person out, but nothing gets actually fixed. And it's constant over and over again. There's a quarterback issue there. So, okay, we're going to get rid of Russell, we're going to put Justin Fields back in. It's the same guy you had the first five weeks of the season you didn't feel comfortable with. So now we're going to go back. Now all of a sudden he's great now, now, now we're a playoff team. We're going to win playoff games. I just don't see that happening. Receiver wise, you're relying on George Pickens. It's continuously the same problem over and over again. So how do we do that? We just put a band aid on it. We just do that defensively, same stuff. We got issues, we got glaring issues, but we get a new defensive coordinator or we'll fire a coach and we'll bring a new coach in again, put a band aid on it. We never actually fix the problem, but.

[Pat McAfee]

They'Re able to win in spite of all this, but not enough to actually win, but not enough losses to get a good draft pick, you know, so it's like they're Kind of stuck in his purgatory, which is why Yinzers are so pissed off.

[Keith Cosrow]

That's right. That's exactly right. I mean it's Constant. You go 8, 9 or 9 and 8 or 10 and 7 or whatever it is, you're always going to be a 15 through 20 pick. You can't get a top tier quarterback. You can't get exactly what you need to fix the program. And then we feel good about it because we're winning enough, but we're not winning the whole thing.

[Pat McAfee]

How's Mr. Ships? How's pop feel about the whole.

[Keith Cosrow]

He's over it. He's over it.

[Pat McAfee]

He's throwing in the towel.

[Darius Butler]

Oh no.

[Pat McAfee]

He doesn't mind living in his misery. He's still a Pirates fan.

[Ty Schmidt]

He's.

[Keith Cosrow]

He's looking forward to Pirate season.

[Pat McAfee]

Exactly.

[Keith Cosrow]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

That's where he is. Yeah, we're talking Yinzer, his dad. I mean you're talking full on, you know, just like them out there. And I think all Ginzers are feeling the same exact way. It's like, yeah, it's fun to be above 500. That's cool.

[Keith Cosrow]

That sounds great.

[Pat McAfee]

We go over to Cleveland, drive over to the mistake on a lake, we say, how you guys doing? You guys stink. Look at us, we're above 500. That's basically what Steelers fans are done with. Not saying it's Mike Tomlin's issue either. This is an entire organization, program, tradition. Hopefully they're able to make some wholesale changes and actually make some changes and be able to get to the next step. Or all of them fail and they go way down the other way and then maybe some actual changes can take place. Nonetheless, I would love Mike Tomlin to be the coach of my team, which is I think what 28 teams are saying whenever they hear Steelers fans bitch about what's going on in Pittsburgh.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, exactly. So for, for like a full reset, you know, like, is that something where Tomlin would have to leave? I'm in the same boat where it's like, hey, just went through a terrible year. Last two years have been terrible. Would love to have above.500 Mike Tomlin, but obviously don't want to lose every year in the first round of the playoffs. Like, can you do wholesale changes while keeping the same head coach throughout, you know, the last 10 years?

[Keith Cosrow]

Yeah, sometimes I think you just need to separate. I think there's a point in time where sometimes it just wears out. Its welcome. He's a phenomenal football coach. But sometimes over time the same guy in the same situation in the same building becomes stale, period. And it just becomes 10 and 7 and it just becomes what you are. I'm not saying that that's the answer, but that's what I feel. That is exactly what I feel at. Sometimes it's okay even when things are good or okay to separate.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And I think there's a freshness too. And whenever there's a void at the top, there's another need to kind of impress people. But to Connor's point, the grass is not always greener, usually never is. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

And like I get the whole new voice. That was kind of the thing we were spinning with Belichick. And when I say we, it was like people who wanted to keep Belichick, but still, you know, it was too late. It's like, hey, maybe a new voice will help. And obviously it didn't. So that's why it's one of those things where like Belichick, at least his last year is 4 and 13. So it's like, hey, you can move on from a coach when you go 4 and 13. But when it. When it with Pittsburgh, they're not losing.

[Pat McAfee]

Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a. A member of the Bull Ring of honor down there for the Houston Texans. One of only four people. I do believe he'll be a first ballot hall of Famer whenever he's available. He's built like an avatar. I think we all forget just how big he is until he's in a photo with some normal sized human being and you go, jesus Christ. What is this thing? Well, this thing is JJ Watt. Hey, jj, how you doing? Great.

[AQ Shipley]

How you guys doing?

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, I heard we're talking about the Pittsburgh Steelers here as we wrap up and obviously you have a tie to it. You have familia over there for the Steelers, one of the pillars of that Pittsburgh Steelers team. And there's been a lot of chatter about the most expensive defense in ball is that Pittsburgh Steelers defense. And they weren't able to get the job done. And you know, the Ravens obviously do what they did to the Steelers in the playoffs. What are your thoughts on the entirety? I heard Teej say he needs to be more willing to do more. I think he took on some ownership in the failures. What are your thoughts on how the Steelers currently are set up for the future?

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, I mean, I don't think there's any denying what happened at the end of the season. I mean, you lose five in a row while your direct division opponent goes on and wins five in a row. And is headed looking like an absolute wagon heading the next round of the playoffs. And very, very tough. Tough scene the other night, obviously. I mean defense given up that many yards offense not really been able to move the ball. It's. It's a tough situation, man. I mean it's. It's like everybody said. I mean everybody's kind of talked through it all already in the good enough but not good enough scenario, which puts you in a very difficult place. And that's just kind of where they are right now. And it's finding a way to break through that. Finding a way to take that next step. Figuring out why is some of those end of the season first round of playoff failures and what has created that. Is it something with the systems? Is something with the way they do things with the end of the year? What is it? I think that's the answer is everybody inside and outside of that building is trying to find at the moment.

[Pat McAfee]

How long is TJ locked down for there with Steelers? Three more years?

[AQ Shipley]

No, he's got one year left on his deal. So it's.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh shit. Contract year for tier.

[Ty Schmidt]

He looks like a very.

[AQ Shipley]

No, I mean it's that. That kind of. I mean there's only one left. So he'd be a free agent after this coming season.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it's a free agent contract here. He's about to get 20 sacks next year. Let's assume TJ gets to the quarterback. 20. Not that he wouldn't normally, but if there's a con. How many times has Tiege got to a contract year? Is this the second time now?

[AQ Shipley]

I mean you. You ever go into the one last year of a contract? I mean I. I don't know many people that are going into the last year of a contract like that.

[Pat McAfee]

I got franchise tagged after my contract was over, but I did get a deal done before. You're saying he'll get extended? Okay. Tone, are you sure? There's a lot of problems. There's going to be changes at all levels, they said. Who's going to be making the change from Hammer Don Tan.

[Gumpy]

T is not one of those problems and does not need to do anything. He will get extended because he is a stealer for life.

[Pat McAfee]

How much you paying him to.

[Gumpy]

As much as he wants.

[Pat McAfee]

Remember he kicked on a door done last time. He was kind of sick of the. The meddling and the agent. I don't know.

[AQ Shipley]

I do think he knows like. Like he said, like you talked about.

[Pat McAfee]

Like.

[AQ Shipley]

I do think that he know there can be some moving around there can be some ways to get some of these chips, some of these double teams. Like there's things that can be done here to try and minimize that because it's very clear that there is heavy, heavy keen on exactly where he's going to be and just throwing a significant number of bodies at him and putting obstacles in the way. So moving around certainly does help that. And I think it's something that he's just recently said that he's more open to in the future and is going to work on.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Can't wait to see what he ends up and what he adds to his bag. We got over the right side. Maybe up the gut a little bit too. Maybe a little bit. You know, cuz J, you used to move a lot. You used to move around. Now granted you are, I mean, teach is a monster, we understand that, but you are an actual giant of a big. So you could play tackle on defensive line at your size if you had a couple more burgers. How, how tall are you?

[AQ Shipley]

Six. Six. How heavy 290 was when I was playing? 280.

[Darius Butler]

Now.

[Ty Schmidt]

Jeez.

[Pat McAfee]

Take on this guy. Look at, take on this. Look at, look at this human. This human.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Come on inside. J.

[AQ Shipley]

Good time.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. He had leverage at all times. Okay. Low man wins, ain't that right?

[Keith Cosrow]

That's always right.

[Pat McAfee]

Short arms win.

[Ty Schmidt]

Not always.

[AQ Shipley]

Simplest fact in football. Easiest one that everybody forgets. Low man wins, baby.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Unless you're 66290 and low man could just get kind of dumped. Yeah, one of those things. Let's talk about the teams that are doing that. You talked about the Ravens rattling off a bunch of wins at the end of the season. They had three games in 11 days. Won them all. Then they continue to kind of dominate on the offensive side of the ball while their defense figures it all out. They're taking on the Buffalo Beals this weekend. Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, MVP vs. MVP Runner up First Team All Pro vs. Second Team All Pro. This is a dream matchup, especially this particular season. Josh Allen coming in the year, loses a lot of no names on his team. Still able to lead his squad into a beautiful place at home. Playoff games and everything like that. Lamar Jackson is actually playing the best ball that he's ever played in this Monken offense. He's spinning it. He's running again because his mom told him he needs to do that. Both these guys, high, high level football. This is a dream, dream, Dream matchup on CBS Sunday at 6:30. JJ what are your thoughts on The Buffalo Bills, because you've already kind of talked about the Ravens and what does this matchup come down to in your eyes?

[AQ Shipley]

I mean this is, this is obviously unbelievable game. Can't wait to watch it. No idea what's going to happen, but they're just, I mean, just two phenomenal teams, the two top MVP candidates, like it's, it's going to be, I'm hoping that it's everything that we all think it could turn out to be because it has a chance to be one of those epic all timer games. I mean, it's so hard to look at it and try and break it down here because you have the Ravens, who in my opinion, even from the very beginning of the year, yeah, they lost five games. But like from the beginning of the year, when you have Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson, the same backfield that puts teams in such a bind for how you're going to stop that and what you're going to do, and then you go on the flip side and you have the Bills who have Josh Allen who can do absolutely anything. And I'm with you. Before the season, I was one of those people that said, I don't know how they replace some of these pieces. I don't know how they are. This is kind of one of those rebuilding years. And all they did was go out there and just dominate and crush people and easily move on to the next round. So this is two Titans going at it. You have to find a way to stop the Lamar, Derrick Henry, like you just, you have to find a way. Clearly the Steelers did not have the proper plan for the zone read and for everything that they were doing with that. So the Bills have to find a way to slow that combination down. But then the problem is you put the ball in Lamar's hands in the air and he's been doing it through the air as well. So that's why as a defensive player, man, it is such a to play against that offense because it's so hard. And Josh Allen's also doing everything on the other side. It's not, not fun to be a defensive player against either of these guys.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, especially now, this late in the season, obviously this point of the playoffs, it's only going to be the great teams remaining. And we had a reaction. We reiterate this fact because we don't get everything right, but when we do, I think we should take a victory lap. When Derrick Henry signed to the Baltimore Ravens, this particular program was like, that's not fair that, that feels like that's not a fair. Especially with Ricard being there. Right. And then Mark Andrews and likely. And then you got Lamar Jackson, who's the fast player on the field. He said he was striding at 21 miles an hour. It's like that's a lot of power and a lot of explosion all in one shot to Monkin taking advantage of the entirety. And I think Lamar has found his. Oh yeah, I think it's right here. I think it's a little three quarter. I think that is his motion. Just like Matthew Stafford, very similar motion. I think it took him some time to figure that out. He can put the ball in a keyhole right now. And that is the difference between Lamar this year versus Lamar in the past. Lamar has always been able to throw the ball like good. Like he's always been a good throw. An NFL quarterback probably like 12 to 20 arm wise. 12 to 20 arm wise always has been. But his legs number one. So you take 12 and number one together, you got an elite quarterback that's going to win multiple MVPs. Now he's like top five thrower and still number one runner. It's like this guy, his confidence levels through the roof. They're putting a lot of mic'd up stuff out because they're on Hard Knocks, obviously. AFC north, the Ravens, it'll continue for however long they are. We'll talk to Keith Cosrow of NFL Films here in about an hour and a half about that. But like this, the looseness in the confidence in which Lamar is playing right now, he feels like he can do anything and he can. And the way the team is set up, they're the real deal, brother. And then Josh is the same exact thing it feels like with Buffalo, actually. I don't want to say losing Stefan Diggs made them better because obviously you lose a great player, you're going to take a hit somewhere. But it's like Josh had no stress from anybody. It's like, hey, this is your team. You do whatever the hell you want to do on every single play. Don't feel like you got to make everybody happy. It's like both these guys are playing their best ball. Sucks that one of them's got to go home in the divisional round, but it's great for us.

[Darius Butler]

D Bucks going to be great entertainment with Lamar. It's kind of similar to almost what's going on with Tomlin and the Steelers from the outside in because like when Lamar had Greg Roman, a lot of people were like, hey, you know, he's winning MVPs he's, you know, it's a run dominant offense. He's doing all these great things, but at some point he needs to be challenged to become the better passer, become the guy that can read and dissect defenses from the pocket. So they went there. Separate raise, brought in Todd mocking. Now this is second full year in this offense and they have just grown like it's always been the game plan. Hey, make eight, beat you from the pocket, keep him caged in. Make him do that now. He can do that. And he's using his legs more on passing plays, design runs. You got Derek Henry a wildcat. Lamar coming across in motion like all that type of shit. This, this team is damn near impossible to stop. They got to beat themselves almost on offense.

[Pat McAfee]

It feels like Lamar is at the point in his life where he feels like he's proved that he's a good quarterback. Because there for a bit, it felt like he was trying to prove to the world that he was a quarterback. He was kind of sick of people saying, well, this guy's a running back playing quarterback. You know, they even mentioned it after games. I'm not saying we said that, but that is what a narrative was about. Lamar Jackson feels like he's at a point of his career now after watchways where he's comfortable, like, okay, I'm cemented as a great quarterback. Like, that is it. So now he's just doing whatever the best option is. And I love that. It took his mom being like, hey, I'm basic of not watching you cook people. Because with the ball in his hands, he's the best guy on the field. He's the best guy on the field with the ball in his hands, anytime he's on the field. And it's like now he's confident and free to kind of make whatever. It's like, that's fun, man.

[AQ Shipley]

Yet somehow after this game, one of these two quarterbacks is going to lose. And we know that somehow after this game, we're going to have all sorts of reports like, oh, that guy's not.

[Pat McAfee]

He can't do it.

[AQ Shipley]

He can't win. Like, I mean, like, we got two MVP candidates, two of the best of all time going at each other. One of them is going to lose and we're going to be like, this guy stinks. He may have three MVPs. I don't care. He's terrible.

[Pat McAfee]

Josh Allen. This is the best year Josh ever had. Can't even win the mvp. Yeah, it's like that is legitimately what's going to happen the day after. So on this particular wah Wednesday, we would like to say, boys, thanks for the seasons you guys had.

[Ty Schmidt]

Great year.

[Pat McAfee]

Great year. Great year by you guys. Now let's talk about the guy who has been able to get the job done. Obviously he's 29 years old. He's already won multiple Super Bowls. He's already changed the game. He's already in the goat conversation. He's taken on a phenomenal team out of the AFC South. AQ has a question for you. Jj. Yeah.

[Keith Cosrow]

So the Houston Texans, let's talk a little bit about their defense and can you also touch on Joe Tuney moving out to left tackle and the problems he's about to be faced with when he goes against Daniel Hunter and Will Anderson.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, I mean obviously the Texas defense was just incredible to watch. You know, Pat, I hope you and the rest of the AFC south got a real good chance at two. Tune into that.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Thanks for representing for us. Thanks for representing.

[AQ Shipley]

Just holding it down. Holding it down out here for the AFC South.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Because remember, we're drop. We're in another playoff victory. Thank you. The AFC South. There's divisions that don't have a playoff victory in years. So AFC south, yet again, it's a fucking buzz. Just so happened Houston Texans snuck in to the divisional to winning the AFC south wasn't an easy division. Trevor Lawrence, Everybody's talking about this guy. Can he make it or not? He plays in the AFC South. Okay. The kitchen is hot in the AFC South. Will Levis. This guy's a butt. He plays in the AFC South.

[Ty Schmidt]

Hold on.

[Pat McAfee]

Anthony Richardson. This guy's tapping on the game. Yeah. You know why? It's AFC south football. Okay. That is what AFC south football. So we were watching along. Thank you for representing the division. Right. Isn't that what we were saying?

[Darius Butler]

Damn right.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

I'm afraid we're kind of becoming like one of those shitty SEC teams who just Vandy. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

We are not Vandy. Don't bend.

[Darius Butler]

You know, you might be.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh yeah.

[Darius Butler]

AFC South.

[Pat McAfee]

AMC south is the sec though. Whenever you talk about. Thank you. So that is accurate what you're saying.

[Keith Cosrow]

It's like Rutgers.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

No teams in the title game.

[Connor]

I was gonna say SEC is not the top dog anymore. Big Ten country, you know, Big Ten back dog.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, you're right.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. You're damn right. North.

[Connor]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

That's why I'm wearing this camo.

[Connor]

Bingo.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Cause I'm out here, you know, hunting. I got an orange hat. I was gonna Wear. So the deer, you know, they can't see it because they're colorblind as. But the other people won't shoot me because they see a floating head bouncing through. Am I. Oh, we got a goon or a goblin? Nothing. Boom. Shoot me. But I got an orange hat I'll put on. You're right for the North. You're saying we're Rutgers. Rutgers.

[Keith Cosrow]

Kind of like the Mac, almost Maryland.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. No, we're in the same division. That. That's the conversation. That's the whole thing. We're not in a different con.

[Ty Schmidt]

I thought you guys were like, UMass. Moving up. Moving on up to the UMass.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm about done with this. Yeah, that's a mass hole. And what's the student section up there at UMass Mass. Zoo mask.

[Ty Schmidt]

The zoo. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Zoo mass. And maybe we do got good vibes in the afc. Nonetheless, the AFC south is Big Ten football.

[Connor]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Pat McAfee]

And that's just fact of the matter.

[Keith Cosrow]

That's it.

[Pat McAfee]

And all four teams can get the job done at the moment, though. Houston.

[AQ Shipley]

That's not true. That's not true.

[Pat McAfee]

Houston's doing it for us. Houston's doing. Hey, shout out to you. AFC South's going to Berlin. Wait till you get your eyes on the Colts over there. Guten talk. That was announced this morning.

[Ty Schmidt]

Stay over there.

[Pat McAfee]

They're taking eight.

[Ty Schmidt]

Berlin. Cole.

[Pat McAfee]

All right. Anyways, J. Let's get back this Houston.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, let's pop back. So anyway, thank you. So the beginning of the game, you're, for me, was awesome. I think everybody watching hated it because it was pure defense. But for me, seeing Daniel Hunter, Will Anderson Jr. Khalil Mack, Joey Bosa, seeing these guys tee off was great. Also slightly worrisome because didn't know if any points were going to be scored whatsoever in this game, and it wasn't looking good then. Clearly the turning point of the game was the fumbled snap. CJ Turns it into a long pass, and then he scrambles on the next one, takes us down. And that turned out to be the momentum changer. Clearly, almost like a light went on in his head, like, oh, yeah, I am one of the best players in the world. I'm going to go over here and take over. But this Texans defense, I think we give a ton of credit to the edge rushers, and rightfully so. I think there's so many other guys that also contribute to the. The two corners are lockdowns. I mean, you got Lassiter and Stingley, who are absolute lockdowns. You got the backers who are playing good. You have the guys inside the Negro Autry, Mario Edwards, some of these guys. Like, this defense is a legitimate super bowl caliber defense. It's a matter of if we can put it all together and keep it all together. And obviously, we all understand the monumental task at hand going into Kansas City up against Patrick Mahomes and the three time champ. So. But this defense is the real deal.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay? So obviously Stingley is all everything DB team, so congrats to him. And just days after the all everything DB team has revealed he gets two picks. So that's nice. Thank you for doing that. Perfect. Thank you for doing that for the all everything.

[Darius Butler]

Derwin James had a pretty good game too. I know it was on a, you know, shortening the stick, but I think.

[Pat McAfee]

He had a pick in a fumble recovery or something like that.

[Darius Butler]

They called. They called his pick back. It was.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we'll say we'll give it to him.

[Darius Butler]

We'll give it to him.

[Pat McAfee]

So shout out to all everything DB to getting it right. Getting it right. No matter how much there was bitching and moaning from other teams in the middle of the segment as we're debuting it, somebody was just, wow, yeah. Yeah. It's not the all everything tissue team, pal.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, Got Stingley right. I wonder how that other corner did.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that guy for the Broncos. The Bills really went at him.

[Ty Schmidt]

How do you do, Bush?

[Darius Butler]

You know, everyone has their day.

[Dan Orlovsky]

All right.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Still might win a defensive player.

[Pat McAfee]

Gonzo had a great Sunday last week. He was getting ready for playable football. Played his ass J. His second part of his question for make use. There was Tuney moving out to tackle. You know, Tuney puts a left up like that's an awesome move for the team. And I saw a clip last night on the Internet. Maybe memorable football moments on X or something like that. I forget. There's a lot of really good accounts that are pulling up stuff out of the vault. Andy Reid and Brett Favre at the Green Bay Packers. Brett Favre, they start the clip, I think, after the situation happens. And Brett Favre looks at Andy, goes, I love you, man. And Andrew Reed goes, I know you do. Yeah, I know you do. We'll see if you do after I get chewed out. And then coach comes over and he goes, what the hell happened on the alignment or whatever? And Andy Reid cuts off Brett Favre. He goes, I called it in wrong. That's on me. It's on Brett, yada, yada. It takes the blame basically for Brett Favre and Coach. Who was the coach?

[Connor]

Mike Holmgren.

[Pat McAfee]

Mike Holmgren goes, it was first 15. How. How do you get it wrong? It was first 15. I hear right, Andy Reid, like, that's on me. That's on me. That's on me. But in that moment, obviously everybody knew Brett Favre got it wrong. But Andy Reid's like, first reaction was like, he wasn't a proven coach yet. He was still a young coach. He like, ah, no, I'll take this for you. Because he knew it could affect Brett for the rest of the game. He also, I think, wanted to prove like to his team what type of guy he is. And I think Andy Reid as a coach, obviously we chit chat about this dynasty that Chiefs are in the middle of, and we talk about Bill Belichick being the greatest all the time, which he certainly is. And he has had to shoot down reports that he's going back to the NFL basically every single day since getting this North Carolina job. But in that one mic'd up clip from whenever he was at the Packers, I think I learned everything I needed to learn about Andy Reid. He relates to his players. I think he loves his players. He's a super genius. And Joe Tunney moving out to tackle, I think is just a good indicator of the culture that they have there. Tuning could potentially be hall of fame guard, right? 100% hall of Fame guard in this entire thing. So to say, you know what? To hell with it. In the biggest year where we're trying to win our third Lombardi straight contracts are always going to be talked about in football. For him to say, put me on an island, even though my body type is not the right body type for this, even though my skill set is not the right skill set for this. That's why I've been in here. That's why I'm a Hall of Famer in here. For him to put his left up and go out there, I think that showcases the culture that they have over there at the Chiefs. What do you think about this particular team that the Chiefs are taking against the Houston Texans? And what do you think about Tuney? And what do you think that says about potential? You know, three in a row for them.

[AQ Shipley]

I think you've encapsulated it perfectly. And I do think that that clip shows exactly why people love playing for Andrew Reed, why he does such a great job with his teams. I've been saying it most of the season in that the Patrick Mahomes has been spreading the ball around. Sometimes shorter throws, just matriculating the ball down the field because they aren't making some of those big explosive plays like they used to in the past, but they're doing what they have to do to win. Whoever is open gets the ball, however short the pass is. Everybody is doing just what they have to do to win games. They haven't been winning games by these huge margins all year long, but it doesn't matter. All you need to do is win the game. We talked about Travis Kelce last year with the 16 yards short of 1,000 yards to keep the streak going, but do what's. Do whatever is best for the team. Every single guy on that Chiefs team knows it doesn't matter about me, doesn't matter about my individual stats. This is about winning Super Bowls. And Andy Reid has done that better than anybody. Getting these guys to buy in, knowing that, just trust me, I will put you in the best position and we will win games, we will win Super Bowls. Just buy into what we're doing here. And clearly it's something that's worked extremely well. And clearly everybody's bought in. And, I mean, that's how you win three Super Bowls and you're going for four.

[Pat McAfee]

And having that guy isn't a bad reason either. Patrick Mahomes, to your point about just willing to sacrifice a lot of stats and everything like that to just win games, because Patrick Mahomes, at this stage of his career, with everything he's accomplished, could be a diva, could be a prima donna. He could want to get rid of an offense that doesn't have him throw it 35, 40 times a game so he can run those numbers up instead. Just like last year, he wasn't scared at all to hand that thing off 25, 30 times a game. I'm only going to have 17 to 22 pass attempts. This is Patch Mahomes that we're talking about. And you know, people are comparing him to Tom Brady already. I think Tom Brady had that as well. That's why whenever people say, you know, Bill used to coach Tom just like he coaches everybody else. He used to chew out Tom every single team meeting in front of the rest of the team. So everybody else knew that that could happen. It's like, not everybody's just going to take that shit. Like, that's a talent that Tom Brady had. That's a trait that Tom Brady had that made him great. There's a lot of guys that would be like, nah, this shit ain't happening. You can get me out of here. I'm not getting embarrassed in front of my team feels like Patrick Mahomes has that same and and you know who else does on this graphic? It's C.J. stroud guy. You know, it's like this hasn't been the best year for C.J. i think he would admit that. I think he would acknowledge that. A lot of injuries. But then Nico Collins gets back on the field and it's like CJ probably feels a reinvigoration of like, hope and optimism. And those two are lethal. Those two are an absolute problem. That's why whenever they bring in Stefan Diggs, they're like, wait a second. If we can kind of maybe make this a little bit easier for both parties, our offense should get opened up. They've had a lot of injuries. They've had a lot of situations. CJ Played great in wild card just like he did last year in wild card. Biggest moments. He plays his best ball. I love this game. Chiefs and Texans. I love Ravens, Bills. Let's head over to the NFC now. D. Buch has a question for you, James.

[Darius Butler]

I think those that game's going to come down to who can block, who can keep their quarterbacks upright. But speaking of defenses, this Eagles defense, Vic Fangio, he's come over and had his Eagles defense being one of the best, especially down the stretch. Had a good outing last week as well. I know they lost Nicole Dean for the rest of the playoff run, but what's your thoughts on this Eagles defense facing Matt Stafford and his Rams offense? And did you see that little flick that Stafford did to avoid the sack? I want your thoughts on that, too.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, I'll start with the Eagles defense and then I'll get to that flick because I got thoughts on it. But the Eagles defense, I feel like is almost getting overshadowed by their offense because they're off obviously Saquon and everything the offensive line has done them and the way that they've been playing this year, the Eagles defense doesn't get enough credit. I mean, they are a phenomenal unit and I think obviously a Badger. Zach Bond playing out of his mind. Also playing special teams, dominating all pro. Just the defense in general has been so fun to watch, so enjoyable and they're a massive reason why they're here. And after watching the Rams the other night, of course they're going to need to play extremely well because Stafford is playing as good as he's played and he looks great now. Now let's get to the flip because I want to talk about it. Brilliant play, Brilliant play by Stafford. As the rules are written, it is a legitimate play. He flipped the ball in the general direction, at least somewhere in the vicinity of Pukinakua. He knew that he had a guy somewhere in that area because he knows the plays, he knows where he's going to be. So he just does that little flick. And yes, that is absolutely within the rules. That is absolutely not intentional grounding, as it's called today. Now, besides a spike, has there ever been a ball that was more intentionally headed for the ground than that ball he tried?

[Connor]

He's in no play.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, he's filthy.

[AQ Shipley]

I. I agree, but it's. I mean, think about. You're doing everything that you possibly can as a pass rusher. You finally get back there you go to get a sack, you got them all wrapped up. Can't hit him in the head, can't hit him in the knees, can't hit him low, can't hit him. I got to hit him perfectly. Roll, roll off of him when you hit the ground, and then all he has to do is that and you don't get your sack. Everything that you worked for.

[Pat McAfee]

That's a heady welcome to the NFL.

[AQ Shipley]

I don't know how you would change the rule. I don't know how you could possibly, like, make this a rule, but, man, that sucks ass.

[Pat McAfee]

As a pass rusher, there's not always going to be somebody in the vicinity, and they're not going to be able to do that. But Matthew Stafford knowing that, and I think they would say Karen Williams was in the vicinity, too, if Puka was not there. Because Puka and Karen run into each other. So they're actually in a similar position there. But Matthew Stafford just being dialed in that much.

[AQ Shipley]

Incredible.

[Ty Schmidt]

Imagine if he completed that so he could. You think.

[Darius Butler]

So Bill was on the Manning cast when this happened. And, you know, Eli Payton, they both saw. They fumble. Fumble. Got to be a fumble. And Bill was like, nope, incomplete. Incomplete. It's going to be incomplete pass. And then once they called it incomplete, Bill was like, come on, it's an offensive league. Like, you know, it's. No, no rules are meant to help defenders. But this was. Was crazy. And like you said, genius for knowing the rules. Because as soon as he got up, he was like, nah, that would be picked up. It's a figure.

[Pat McAfee]

How about, like, also the Bill said, was it Bill or Lombardi? I forget who it was. They said they'll never say something's uncatchable in the NFL because of how athletic the wide receivers are. So, like, even if it's a overthrow by like 10 yards. You're very rarely going to hear an NFL ref say that was uncatchable. Because we've seen shit happen in the NFL where somebody somehow and then comes down and lands it. So the NFL is never say. I feel like in the same thing there. You don't think Matthew Stafford was trying to. You don't think the talent of not. You don't think the legend that is. Matthew Stafford was trying to complete that? What if he does complete that?

[Ty Schmidt]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

You defensive. That was not ever going.

[AQ Shipley]

That was never. It was going directly to the ground.

[Ty Schmidt]

Puka catches everything.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. He was all disoriented. Green. Yeah. I didn't want to say Greenard there. That would have been so disrespectful. I apologize. But he's trying to ddt him.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

He was like this combobulated. Maybe he's trying to punch him in the back of the head. There's a little. You know, there's a. He's not a dirty player, but you get back there.

[Darius Butler]

I believe so.

[Pat McAfee]

He's a wall. He's a. He's a boxer. Woobling down on the ground. That's a lethal shot.

[Ty Schmidt]

There you are.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And he's. Boom. He's trying to catch a poop. He's trying.

[Darius Butler]

Unbelievable.

[AQ Shipley]

It's brilliant. It was. It was brilliant, man.

[Pat McAfee]

Source have told us that there has been a player that has acknowledged the blame for that player going or that play going wrong. Okay.

[Ty Schmidt]

Who is it?

[Pat McAfee]

It has. The message was, please tell Big us to move on from this play. Fair enough. So I think we.

[Ty Schmidt]

The Stafford recess.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. It was Matthew Stafford. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely not. Okay. So Eagles defense. Great. Zach Bond. A lot of badgers doing their thing. Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

How about him making linebacker?

[Jason Kelsey]

You.

[AQ Shipley]

Linebacker. You.

[Pat McAfee]

Are you guys gonna get good at football again or what do you think?

[AQ Shipley]

We're trying. We're trying. We're trying. Are you.

[Pat McAfee]

What? West Virginia or the Colts?

[AQ Shipley]

Either.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm gonna let you know. West Virginia's gonna be a problem. Go forward. I hope so.

[AQ Shipley]

I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to it. That's a place I'd like to see a game. I feel like that's a proper party.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Well, that's the thing, though. I don't know if you want to get. How old are you?

[AQ Shipley]

I am 35.

[Pat McAfee]

Geez. Yeah. I'm 37. I don't think we're built to go do the Morgantown good time thing.

[AQ Shipley]

I don't think we are either. We just did. We are either.

[Pat McAfee]

No. We did it. We did a very casual one.

[Ty Schmidt]

No good time in April or March. Yeah, it was April. We did it.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, but that wasn't like a game. Like, the game is the entire. Everybody that is in the surrounding area is coming, and it is awesome. I would assume that it has to be ranked top five. Football environment. Whenever the team's good for everything that's going on because the entire state's there, everything shuts down in the state, likes to have a good time. So it's not like, yeah, you got a parking lot over here that's kind of casual, you know, cooking everything. It's like, no, every parking lot is doing the same thing. And it's, cheers, Beers, Mountaineers, brother. And we are having a good time here. Definitely answer that. Let's go back one, one more time to the play that happened with the Los Angeles Rams. Joining us now is the wide receiver that was in the vicinity of said genius play by Matthew Stafford. Pukinakua. Go ahead. Go ahead. Big oos. I'm out here. I'm out here trying to get some treatment. I'm laying down and I'm just watching you. I can't even hear, but I can only assume you're flaming me on that clip. No, no, we're talking about how genius Matthew Stafford was. If you want to walk through this play, though, Matthew Stafford makes a great play. Why are you saying, yeah, he does.

[Darius Butler]

I mean, he shouldn't be.

[Pat McAfee]

If you see number seven, if you. If you go back to the start, I'm supposed to go the backfield, I'm supposed to go. I'm supposed to go to the back side to block, and I just knock every single one of our linemen off of their block right here. So then Matthew. Matthew's just gotta toss that ball out to the side. I'm like, oh, my gosh, how did he even see me? Look at one guy, two guys, three guys, all knocked off their block right there by Pukura.

[Connor]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

All right. Well, I appreciate you, you know, taking some accountability and saying, that's on me 1,000%. But all the plays you made, brother, every once in a while there's going to be a little bit of a timing issue. If you weren't such a dog, you wouldn't be able to move three bodies like you do. You're a beast. It's a good thing, not a bad thing. Let's not do it next year, though. Oh, exactly. That's why I'm like, this guy. Matthew's got eyes in the back of his head. He's like, he's looking at all the guys running around. He's like, oh, there's a guy right in front of me. Hey, you guys are on fire right now, brother. And, you know, it feels good to be in LA right now. Okay. We got the heat in bed in. In some good ways over here in the Rams facility. Yeah, absolutely. So let's talk about that. The kind of streak you've been on over there at the Rams. Whenever trade deadline was coming around, there was almost like a thought of, are the Rams going to be buyers or sellers here? Like, are they going to kind of forfeit on the year almost. And look ahead, then they. You guys stick with it. Same team, everybody gets healthy. You're incredibly hot, right? Why is that, you think? Is it health? What do you think it is with your team and your defense, more specifically? Shoot, I think Health 100. I mean, you've seen all our young bulls going crazy on the Dean line now. Just apps, everybody just wreaking havoc. I think we got. You got guys like Jerry Verse, Kobe Turner, and you walk in the facility and they're just. They. I feel like they just walk in, they start barking, they just come in there. You got so much energy, juice. And I'm trying to run through everybody, okay. In the offense. Matthew Stafford. Just Matthew Stafford.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I.

[AQ Shipley]

No, I ain't training today, man.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm talking.

[AQ Shipley]

Are you on the bike as we speak? Are you on the bike?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

We're getting the core activated there, too. I like that. What are we doing today?

[AQ Shipley]

How. How are you guys handling this week? I'm curious, because you had. Had to fly back from Arizona Monday night and then you have to fly out. I assume you're flying out Saturday or you guys are two day early team.

[Pat McAfee]

I wish we were two days early. Does that mean I get a nice Philly cheesesteak before we had to stay in the hotel? True. No, we're. We're flying out on Saturday. Shoot. We got a. We had a day off yesterday. Getting a move around today. See how Matthew Stafford's feeling. See if we can sling it around. We'll lift some weights today. Getting there. Hit a trap. Trap bar deadlift. What you throwing up, Mr. Watt?

[AQ Shipley]

What's my language? I'd like a little trap bar deadlift. However many weights fit on it. That's how many I put on there, bro.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't. I don't think we have enough 45s with you over here.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, you do.

[Pat McAfee]

Aaron Donald.

[AQ Shipley]

Aaron Donald was in that building. You Got enough?

[Pat McAfee]

They sent them all with him when he left. All right, good luck. We appreciate you, man. Thank you. You guys have a good one. Hey, hey. Appreciate you. Let's not up any more plays, okay? Ladies and gentlemen. That's awesome, man. They're just cooking me on this. Yeah, I was wrong, okay? Get over it. Let's move past this ooze was the message he said, and then he had no idea. We're calling. Compliment you, bug. That's good vibes there. That's two times now he's called in the show, and they're like, are you working out, Yo? Talking bigger that vibe, man.

[AQ Shipley]

Great dude, man. Seems like a great dude.

[Pat McAfee]

He said they come into the building barking like the energy, I guess Sean McVeigh, I assume, is that way. So then the teams kind of take on the identity of their. How about Sean McVeigh? Can we talk about that when he get hired? 32. Is that old? He was, I think, 31.

[Connor]

Yeah, might have been.

[Pat McAfee]

And just immediately in the fire. How you doing? Let's go ahead and run with it. And he's just had success this entire time. What are your thoughts on him, and why do you think he's successful?

[AQ Shipley]

He's brilliant. I think he has both characteristics that are required to be a great coach in this league. He has the personality and the charisma to be able to handle all the different things that come with an NFL locker room. Motivating, leading, handling distractions, handling egos, all of that. But then he has the second part, which is the brilliance. He has the coaching brilliance. He just sees the game in a different way. He creates these plays. He creates these schemes. He gets guys open. It's. It's very tough to play against Sean McVay. It's very frustrating because he is thinking two steps ahead at all times. So you have to try and keep up with that. And it's. He's just really, really good at what he does. And his guys love playing for him. And when you have that level of brilliance, it just makes everybody in the room immediately respect you. And it makes that motivation part even easier, because you can step in front of an entire NFL team full of grown men and say, I've got the plan that's going to win us a game. Just trust me. And that's what they do.

[Pat McAfee]

You can be a genius. You can be able to play call plays. But if you don't win, team will get sick of your shit, and they've won. That is, you've kind of seen it done in Miami, right? We love McDaniel. He's a genius. He's doing things his own way. This is the next guy. You don't win, though. They immediately say, corny, hate this guy. Get him out of here. If you win, not only does the team buy in, but the entire community, the fan base, buys in. I think Sean McVay is special, man. I think he's very. And he could go. He can go make 30 million a year right now on TV.

[AQ Shipley]

That was why I asked that question. If that recovery part is a legitimate thing that I've been thinking about for this game coming up. Because, you know, and obviously everybody here knows that played, but I don't think the outside world truly knows that. You got a late Monday night game, and then you. They have to travel back home because they didn't get the real home game. So they travel back home, and then you got to recover on Tuesday, and now on Saturday, they have to fly out to Philly. So, like, that's a short week for a playoff preparation for A, getting your body back, B, for game planning and everything that comes along with it. I really don't think that's something that the public truly understands, how big of a difference that makes.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I. On your. To add to your point, too, it's playoffs, so everybody's banged up, so, like, every game is just beaten up more and faster. More physical, these games, because it could be your last game. So you're just kind of limping through these playoffs.

[Darius Butler]

Most guys, yeah, that's the thing with McVay's team. And most people wouldn't think that, like, they're a physical team, like, on both sides of the ball, like, they run the hell out of the ball. Puka, like, what he does in the blocking game and like the screen game, he almost takes bumps like running backs do throughout the week. And then on the defensive side of the ball, what Chris Shula's doing with that defense, those boys up front, like, off the edges, like, every time you saw Sam Donald pocket, that shit was condensed. That shit was getting squeezed. Doing a bunch of different games in between. So they're physical. Physical ball club on both sides of the football.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I concur. Okay. And we're wrapping up here on this hour, and we're getting a chance to chat with j. First ballot hall of Famer when that time comes, how many years you've been fake teasing going back to play? I guess that's how I'll call that.

[AQ Shipley]

This is my second year retiring, so.

[Pat McAfee]

We got three more. All Right, So we'll wait. I'm not saying it for three more years though. I'm about sick of saying that. Future first ballot hall of Famer. Yeah, don't think. Can we just.

[Ty Schmidt]

You just say first ballot.

[Pat McAfee]

Can we just put him in like Coach Saban? They just. They put him in College football Hall of Fame. Can we just do that?

[Ty Schmidt]

They did it with the coaches.

[AQ Shipley]

Is he going to be the commissioner or what?

[Pat McAfee]

What's that?

[AQ Shipley]

Is he going to be the commissioner or what? I saw you think he should be the commissioner. Saban of college football? The commissioner of college football.

[Pat McAfee]

I've been trying to push that all year. He's just not about it.

[AQ Shipley]

He's not working.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, he tried to pawn it off on me, I think because he and I have had Friday dinners where we chit chat about business and stuff. And I think he doesn't think I'm a complete doofus. But I told him publicly, you push that off of me, it's like you might as well just say, we're gonna give this to it.

[AQ Shipley]

You're gonna get some car dealerships. You're gonna get some car dealerships.

[Pat McAfee]

No, no, no. That is not my world. But it certainly is. And it is a good business. It is a good business for old Coach Saban. That brain is a motivating one. It is a hard working one. It is a brilliant one. But boy, it is a moneymaking machine too. That guy is a legend. Okay, we only have like a minute before a hard apple. We have to ask you because you're a first ballot hall of Famer and so important. Go ahead, con man.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, jj, how do you feel about the coaching openings that are still available? Obviously Cowboys has kind of turned into a shit show. Vrabel's up in New England. What do you think about all the situations going on?

[AJ Hawk]

One minute, one minute.

[AQ Shipley]

Got it. I think Vrabel made perfect sense up in New England. I mean, I think there's no no brainer there. Tough, physical, patriot way, all that stuff. I think he fits great there. Cowboys. I have zero idea what in the world that is. Blocking interviews from McCarthy last week and then letting him go this week. Getting yourselves where you can't interview Ben Johnson and those guys like this. Zero idea what's happening down there.

[Pat McAfee]

He said it's a solo mission by Jerry. That's the latest report. I think Jane Slater said Jerry Jones is taking this on himself.

[Darius Butler]

Great.

[Pat McAfee]

Listen, if it's a good hire, it's on me. If it's a bad hire, it's on me. You guys don't have to deal with what I'm doing and I'm very proud of what we do, oil and gas, and most proud about getting to do this with my sons. And you don't want to be sitting there, I'm sorry, laying there in the future wishing you could see a couple more suns come up. Take advantage of this time now. You too. You're not spry chicken over there. Thanks, Jerry. You walked on out. All right, J. We appreciate the hell out of you, man.

[AQ Shipley]

Thanks guys. Appreciate y'all have a great day and see you next time.

[Pat McAfee]

All right. We thank you.

[AQ Shipley]

Judge Nope, there's no countdown clock. I was waiting for the countdown clock so I knew how much time I had. No countdown clock.

[Pat McAfee]

7, 6, 5, 4.

[AQ Shipley]

Make it a great day or not. The choice is yours.

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[Connor]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Tgl. Some people I saw are saying after watching it, does the G stand for goofball? Yeah. The Goofball League.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Those people have Canadian accents and used to paint ships. Okay. That is what some people are saying from that particular demographic, I think. Did you get a chance to watch and what are your thoughts on tgl? I think in theory, should be amazing.

[Connor]

I agree.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know if it's as the execution holding. I don't know if it holds people enough. And I'm only saying that strictly because my wife has to watch a lot of sports, you know, And I say have to because she's not a fan of all sports.

[Connor]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

But I enjoy sports. I enjoy competition. I enjoy watching people do their thing. I enjoy watching people sing. I like watching. I like. I like watching people. People prepare and then execute. I like watching how humans go ahead and do that. This one, like, I think she was really pumped early to watch it. You know, Tigers out there.

[Connor]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Simulator. We got noise, we got sound, we got an arena. We got the entire thing. You know, Homa even. Absolutely awesome. Obviously better. Should have maybe been on week one, but that's neither here nor there. We're not scheduling the entire thing, but I think after about four minutes, five minutes of it, she was completely out. She was just like, I don't even know what the hell's going on here. And I said, you just gotta wait. And then there was a couple moments, you know, because I can watch great people at their thing do their thing. So, like, Tiger stepping up and so I'm gonna watch that. Yeah, I'm gonna watch it. I'd watch it if it was a clip on my phone, you know, that I scroll through.

[Connor]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know if I want to watch the entirety. I think they're still trying to figure it out. But I think in theory and concept, it is good. How do you feel about tg? I agree.

[Connor]

I've watched it both. Both weeks so far. Last week, I didn't appreciate that it was on 10 Eastern. I was just like, you know, what are we doing? We're trying to launch this thing. Why the hell is it on so late? Obviously, there's college basketball and all that kind of stuff on ESPN, so I did appreciate that it was on @7 yesterday with Tiger and everything. I think it's more palatable. You're going to get More people to watch. But I agree. It's like it just, the, the they, the whole like allure of it is like, hey, we're having all these guys mic'd up, up. You know, like that's the big thing is like, hey, you're gonna hear these golfers and you're gonna get to see these guys. Like you never. But we've, we've seen this in different forms with the match and all this other stuff. These guys don't talk. They just don't. They're just not used to like talking a bunch of. To each other. That's just not who they are. That's not who golfers are. So like they are miked up, but we're not getting that kind of content. Like there are a couple.

[Pat McAfee]

I think they're nice bowls.

[Connor]

I, I agree.

[Pat McAfee]

I, I think the golfers are a nice.

[Darius Butler]

I enjoyed it.

[Pat McAfee]

Boy. Sweet. That is nine year NFL vet Darius J. Golf Martin, massive golf fan. Actual Butler Birdies is an account you can follow along with he and his family as they are gonna dominate golf inevitably. I think I watch it just because it's golf.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And I think I'm watching last night because Tiger woods is golfing even more so. But like the show, what they do on the show Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

[Connor]

Yeah, I think the entertainment portion just.

[Pat McAfee]

Like, just like Liv.

[Ty Schmidt]

I agree.

[Pat McAfee]

The presentation was just in theory, this is all good idea. Presentation. It's like, come on.

[Connor]

Because you're right, some of the clips, like there was, there was a part last night where Justin Rose had like a 10 foot putt to win a hole and they took a timeout to ice him.

[Pat McAfee]

Awesome. Yeah.

[Connor]

And he came back and sank the putt and looked right at him and pointed and it was like, stuff like that like was sweet and like the crowd was booing him and making noise and stuff like that. Like that stuff is awesome. But there is it, it should, it should be an hour or 30 minutes. It's just, it's too long. There's too much. And I think that's the whole thing too is like, hey, it's quick. There's the, there's the shot clock and everything. But it's just, it feels so drawn out. And then again, we haven't had a close competitive one yet.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that was founder of Reddit right there. Yeah. Serena's husband who owns a part of LA Golf clubs. Correct team in there. Tgl. I think they have it somewhere in there. Like I, I think they have it. I think it's a beautiful concept. I think it's a great idea. I think they got the right people, people in there.

[Darius Butler]

You still like the, the tech and the sentiment as far as the sim and how it looks like dry, especially with like the drives.

[Pat McAfee]

I think it's all in there.

[Darius Butler]

Huh.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know if we need to be zooming in on a golf simulator. Ball flying, you know, with an empty fake tech crowd behind the green. When you have an entire arena, like, I, I don't. Because you go to go, this golf sim never works. That's maybe the most impressive thing, without a doubt is that they've been able to operate with the, the sim working the entire time. But, like, this is a sick shot. I think, I think this is awesome. I think this is the selling point right here. Tiger woods with tech. Whenever they go full screen on the, like this, I think it's tough for me to like, really pay attention. I like the beach. Whenever they have like a crowd fake thing in the back, I'm like, all right, I'm in a video game now. Tiger woods is like, I think every. I think they got it. Yeah. Like, I think they have a chance to make this thing awesome. And I'm hoping they're doing it.

[Darius Butler]

I hope they do, because me too. I think the show around, it can definitely be better than. It's so early on. But as you know, golfers and me just getting into golf the last couple years, the more you see the golfer's personality, like talking shit, you know, whatever this on, on the green, you know, talking to the shot, throwing the, the hammer. The hammer gimmick, which I don't, I don't know where they got that from. The hammer gimmick.

[Pat McAfee]

Love the hammer.

[Darius Butler]

The timeouts, like you mentioned isis. So I like the different elements. Like you said, it's in there somewhere. It's only the second, you know, second episode and a close game would be great. They lose 12 to 12 to 1.

[Pat McAfee]

So then I thought they got three points at one point because they said it, because they were trying to lay it. And then I look at score, it didn't change. So then I thought they had a delayed score. I can't have that. Can't have a Mickey Mouse score operation happening. And then I never saw the point change and I'm like, okay, so he didn't get points. I thought they just got three points. It's cool. It's in there.

[Keith Cosrow]

So I saw that. So that was, that was the 12.

[Pat McAfee]

Year NFL vet, also golf aficionado. Built like a Buddha, swings like John Daly, ladies and gentlemen, AQ Shipley.

[Keith Cosrow]

Well, that was the hammer and then they threw the hammer back. So it goes from two point double hammer, double hammer, goes two points to three points. But then they tied the hole because they tied the whole no points exchange.

[Pat McAfee]

There's so much absolutely stink. There's the guy that said the thing that I said it does. I mean, we don't got to beat.

[Gumpy]

Around the bush here.

[Pat McAfee]

We all know it stinks right now. Can it get better? Yes, it probably will. But right now it's not very good. But we watch it. We will watch it. I watched the last day as a golf guy. I don't mind watching it. I enjoy watching it. But the golfers are too boring to carry the conversation. And then you leave Matt Barry on an island by himself the whole time. Matt Barry needs a partner in this thing to kind of carry and it should be Marty. I don't know why we don't have more Marty, but yeah, Matt Berry needs some help. I think we need more morning. Golfers are too boring.

[Connor]

They need an instigator. They need someone.

[Pat McAfee]

They need a regular human on all these.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's what I mean.

[Connor]

Someone who will actually get under these.

[Pat McAfee]

Guys skin a little bit, maybe shoot them again. But they need a regular human on every team. And that person has to at least participate, has to be a part of it. Now can you earn your way into it? Potentially, but. And you can get a ringer maybe. You can get a ringer maybe, maybe that'll happen. But I think there should be no, I think you should have to have a handicap. I think it should have to be 10. I think handicap should have to be 10. And I think that should be a part of this entire thing. Now we're playing the game, they need someone with a mic on the green. And when someone has a huge putt for birdie or whatever it is for the win, that person should be interviewing the players and even the person doing the putt. Like they need a little more interactivity.

[Connor]

Kelly James music.

[Pat McAfee]

Kelly James music.

[Connor]

Get him out there.

[Pat McAfee]

He already knows every one of these goals.

[Connor]

Golfers. Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

Are you also thinking like a psych out like basketball? No. So what I'm thinking maybe. And they can put that on the backboard too. Imagine lining up, looking at that thing and then all of a sudden pops up in your foot. Whoa. Yeah.

[Connor]

Like an RPG coming at you or something.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, exactly. Whoa. Yeah. Could be any of those things. Are we. Yeah, that would be awesome. I. And people are gonna think we're making A mockery. Even though. And we're not spitballing the thought of a regular human being on one of each team.

[Ty Schmidt]

Smart.

[Keith Cosrow]

Be amazing.

[Pat McAfee]

Just thought of it. Just real time here. Because you said instigator, we would assume that person would be a standard golfer. Whenever you go out and golf.

[AQ Shipley]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Or that person's scared to death.

[Connor]

Exactly one of the two.

[Pat McAfee]

But then we all get to see it. It's just like the field goal kicking thing on Saturdays. You know, these people all want to do it. They're signed up, they're getting a ticket, they get called for it. And then we're watching these people in real time have to battle. And every once in a while, there's the Henry Silver down George who steps up to the plate and buries a kick. And then there's more often than not somebody, you see their entire body shrivel up. It's like, oh, fuck, I can't do this. Imagine that on tgl. Tiger woods standing like this on the other side of the tee box. Whatever. It matters too. Think about what Tiger would do to a regular human if it was 10. 10. What's a regular score for this fucking thing?

[Ty Schmidt]

12. Nothing.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, but what could be. What could be the score? Like 10, 10, 5. 5. Whatever it is. I want to say 7's the magic 7. 7. 7. So let's say it's 7, 7, 18th in this regular ass motherfucker's golfing, and Tiger is just sitting right over his shoulder. That's a moment all of a sudden. And then what if you. What if you hit one pure there just like D butt did at the LA Chargers facility, which was at a lot of pressure, a lot of eyes. You're representing all of us. Hit the ball very, very well. Brass program joining us now. Only rule, it encompasses a lot of things. Don't embarrass the program. Joining us now is a man who's never done that ever. Never would. Nope, couldn't. Actually had a great haircut yesterday. I don't know if it still looks as shop, but we're excited to see college football national champion, super bowl champion R Cup winner from the Ohio State University, ladies and gentlemen, A.J.

[Ty Schmidt]

Hawk.

[Pat McAfee]

A.J. you heard the brainstorm there about TGL? You. You heard that? What are you. What are your thoughts on all of what we said? And then do you have any additives to maybe make this thing as awesome as we think it can be? Because much like Bruce Brown and I were talking about earlier, it was on. So I watched it. And if we're Going to watch it. Let's make it great. And I think they can. I think it's a brilliant concept, aj.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, I think there's something there. I don't have all the solutions. I don't ever claim to. To be that guy. But I think there is something there.

[Pat McAfee]

You're.

[AJ Hawk]

You're right. They're on to something. And I feel like maybe even. I mean, you don't make a mockery. The whole situation. I joked about the whole spin around on a bat thing and then make them hit while they're all dizzy. Maybe like random stuff like that every once in a while. But that's my B2 Mickey Mouse or people will hate. But what about just getting different groups of people to play each other? It doesn't have to be golfers. What if you had, you know, like football players, four buddies on one team play four buddies on another team, like rivals. What if you had NFL coaches that play that we maybe hate each other secretly or rumored behind the scenes they play each other. Because we'd see some of those guys, you know, like all of us can do. Oh, here we go. I just sliced one and just dong some. Some poor old lady in the head in the front row. Like they're gonna have to protect themselves as well. Maybe put some nets up.

[Pat McAfee]

And we saw Kisner blade one that could have won in the crowd. I don't know if they were ready for that. It hits the tiger.

[Darius Butler]

Loved it.

[Pat McAfee]

That's a huge deal that. That hit that. Because there's humans back here.

[Connor]

Oh yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, and that's. I don't think they got a net up like it's baseball because they never expect that to happen. So it. Hitting off the flag is a huge smoke. I think that was very, very.

[Ty Schmidt]

See, that's what everybody should have to do though because Kisner had like 14 beers right before he went out there. So like if they have one guy on each team have to do that, then all of a sudden we got a game potential.

[Pat McAfee]

Marketing off that. I don't know how the Hulkster hasn't seen yet.

[Connor]

No kidding. Real American beer hole his backyard too.

[Pat McAfee]

Got Chuck 20 of them, brother. Yeah, can't hit yet. Gotta keep going. You gotta choke as much as the Hulkster chugs with American beer, then you can go. So I think they're gonna figure it out. Didn't even think about the non professional golfers in the TGL arena over there.

[AJ Hawk]

But Marty should be there. Sorry, sorry, before you go on. Marty should be there as an instigator or just a guy just lobbing questions at them as they're transitioning from shot to shot. Whatever they're doing, like, I think they need something like that.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. What are you thinking about here, Tag? You know, what if. What do you got going through your mind right now? Well, I'm trying to think if it's all right. He powered one through early. A putt that. I don't know what he thought he saw. Did he make that place? He created that green.

[Darius Butler]

He did.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know what he. That was a terrible read.

[Keith Cosrow]

Why didn't it go left?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, and then it went like six feet past. I was like, tied the hole, I guess. Yep. That's good. Yep. Good, good. I guess, because if I'm golfing there, obviously every human on earth is gonna make that. You're gonna have to make that six foot putt. Oh, yeah, that. Tiger woods just powered through the entirety of it. I think they're going to figure it out. Let's go to hammer. Don, Don, A.J. i don't know if you know this. Pittsburgh Steelers are in complete disarray. Everybody hates everybody. Let's go to Tone Diggs. Tone, have you gotten any updates on any things we chat about in the first hour about your beloved Pittsburgh Steelers?

[Gumpy]

No, unfortunately, there's been no updates yet as far as the, you know, mass changes that are expected to happen. We are still status quo. So nothing. No news to break at this moment.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. I would like a little bit of an update if you could have it, because we're from the town with the great football team. Go on and get them, Steelers. You like that song?

[Darius Butler]

I mean, just banger after banger, huh?

[Ty Schmidt]

See, that one stinks. But the Here We Go, Steelers is a great one.

[Pat McAfee]

The polka does not stink.

[Ty Schmidt]

The polka does. But the. The other one is first class.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, they're hoping that they can sing that and actually Wayne Super Bowl. Here we go. That's again. That's what they're saying. Here we go again, Steelers. Here we go again.

[Connor]

Spurg's gonna try to win a suit Uber Bowl.

[Pat McAfee]

Here we go again. Taylor's. Here we go. That's kind of the song.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Is it? Hey, let's go to Hammer. Do we figure out the new song for the Pittsburgh Steelers? Is that how you guys feel?

[Gumpy]

No, I don't think that's how it should go. I don't think anyone in Pittsburgh and enjoy that song.

[Pat McAfee]

Ain't that kind of how you guys feel, though? Here we go again, Steelers. Here we go. That's kind of how everybody feels right again.

[Gumpy]

I mean, I sure, but we're not changing the song.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, it sounds like you guys aren't hearing the old song anymore. What you're hearing is here we go again, Steelers. Here we go. It's actually kind of catchy. Was the beat made for that?

[Gumpy]

Are the packers or the Chargers, the Bucks? Any of those teams changing their songs this offseason?

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, let's not start pointing fingers, okay? Geez, the Colts haven't won the AFC south in 10 years. We don't need to start talking about everybody else's lawn. Okay? Let's just talk about your front yard pal, which is obviously going to be kept very clean. And I think Tallman does have the answers. I think Steelers are going to figure it out. Got a lot of question marks, but that's a good thing. You can get have a nice refresh and a reset maybe even though you keep the same person as the head coach. AQ Shipley was calling for him earlier. Did you hear that age? Did you hear what AQ was saying earlier?

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, a little bit. But I want to ask AQ quickly. If someone said you had a good working relationship, would that. Is that a good. Is that a positive AQ or is that a negative?

[Keith Cosrow]

You think a good working relationship is positive?

[Pat McAfee]

I think so too.

[AJ Hawk]

But does that mean you have a very poor personal relationship? If it's a coach, does it matter?

[Pat McAfee]

Does it matter?

[AJ Hawk]

I think it. Yeah, you're right. I guess you could say they have a good professional working relationship, but there's got to be mutual respect for it to be decent, to be a good partnership.

[Pat McAfee]

And I think if you do have a. And I asked, does it matter? And as you were chatting there and you talked about mutual respect, I was like, I think it does matter. I think you do have to like each other. If you like each other, you're going to be much better. Now, I don't know where this is coming from. Marc Boli put this out, said substantiated rumors and allegedly this source from the building says this about Russ and Artie Smith. And we know Artie and we think we know Russell. We could see how potentially there will be a differing of how people operate in their day to day operations. But maybe this was a little bit bigger story than anybody was giving credit to. Maybe next year there'll be full harmony. Maybe the Pittsburgh Steelers going to the Super Bowl. There they go. Joining us now is a man who might be coaching maybe the Steelers.

[Ty Schmidt]

Maybe him and Russ wouldn't see eye to eye.

[Pat McAfee]

Ladies and gentlemen, the man who has put ESPN Daily television on his back for the better part of what, the last three years?

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Always on your television.

[Connor]

Crazy non stop.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm on TV a lot. Too much. I'm about done with me. That's why I wore cam flush if people couldn't see. Sure. You know, kind of hide out here. This guy was on TV all day, every day for the better part of the last three football seasons. And we appreciate him for that because he just started out as a ex highlight reel breakdown guy. Now he's this Dan Orlovsky. Breaking that film right there. Breaking that film right there. He was doing an email. He's doing his business while we were introducing him. Thank you for joining us and taking time away from whatever was just happening on that laptop, brother. Typing up an email, huh? Giving ideas.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I am, yeah. Stuff for today's show, I was responding to something that, for a graphic that I kind of wanted to have built.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, we thought it was potentially to an NFL team. Ty has a question for you.

[Connor]

Yeah, Dano, there was, I believe it was the Acme packers account kind of repurposed, something you may have said that said, hey, listen, I would, I would love to be the packers quarterback coach because Tom Clements is stepping down. He's retiring. Is there any truth to that? Are you going to be coaching Jordan Love next year?

[Pat McAfee]

And how'd that come about?

[Dan Orlovsky]

I think it came about because someone sent something on social media about that or something in regards to, I believe, Clement's retiring. Is there any truth to it? Like, I have had conversations with places. I feel like this happens almost every year. I'm very flattered by it about, you know, stuff in the coaching world. I've had those again this year. It's something that, you know, I say this all the time. This is just me being very honest about everything. Like, I love being at espn. I love doing tv. I do, I really do. You guys, I'm sure, experienced this as well. Like there is a, you know, when you grow up in the locker room and you grow up in that environment where you do it together and it's always a part of a team, which was something I craved as much as anything. You know, when you don't have that, you miss being a part of that group. And so, you know, there's always a desire, there still is a desire to kind of continue to be, have that be a part of like my, the fabric of my life type of thing and every day. And so there is the desire and the craving to have that and also coach. I have so many friends that coach. I mean, I just saw Josh McCown on Monday Night leaving the stadium to the airport, and I saw him and it was just a quick embrace and how you doing? And he's like, dude, I love it. I saw TJ Yates, who's a buddy of mine who took my job in Houston when we were with Atlanta a couple weeks ago, and, you know, he's the quarterback coach down there. I said, how do you. How do you like? He said, dude, I love it. So I have a lot of friends who are in that world that are really smart football people and they love it, you know, and if it's the right place, right time, right people, it seems to be a really, really fun experience.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Okay. Well, we're incredibly proud of you for coming to that point and decision. And obviously, I think you were trying to shy away from that before because you didn't want to potentially deter any TV opportunities. I think in the past, yeah, that it felt that way. Now it's like you're getting to the point where you're like, like, you know, every year I'm getting asked and every year I'm doing more research. And it does sound like something that's special. And you talked about the locker room environment and being a part of something is special. That's normally what people say whenever they retire. What they miss the most is also not only being part of something, but having a goal, having a mission, having a purpose. I don't want to say a purpose, because everybody has a purpose, but whenever you're on a football team, it's like, hey, this is the objective. We are trying to win this weekend, we are trying to win this season, we are trying to win this day. That structure, too, people miss. And you think you'd be able to get right back into that whole world. I think so, yeah.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I do. I'm pretty structured now. I'm. I'm wired that way. I kind of have a routine based personnel. I think there's two things part of it, too. Like, I go back to the moment when Kevin O'Connell, after that Vikings win over Green Bay a couple of weeks ago, and he was just in the locker room watching the team embrace Sam Darnold. Imagine that feeling, you know, like as a coach taking that player and bringing him to a place that's got to be such, like a fulfilling experience. And also, you know, I remember having a conversation with JJ Redick this past week, this past offseason, when he was in conversations with coaching and Whatnot. And one of the things that stood out to me that he said was he has a son and he wants. He really wants his son to kind of experience growing up in that environment as well. I got three, so. Yeah, there's. There's a lot of appeal to it. There is. I do think, you know, I have a ton of respect for those coaches and the grind that they go through and, and you know, they obviously have done it for a long time, but I think anything in life, as long as you're passionate about it and you try to outwork every human being that is on the planet at it, you'll be better than them.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I think that is a key to success. And some people forget the work ethic part of things. They think they just fall to the top of the mountain. That is not the case. And if you're willing to put those hours, I mean, a cush was a coach for a little bit. He wasn't a quarterback coach. He was a assistant offensive line coach.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean, the. Obviously the hours. You got three kids, so you understand that. And you've had to watch film and four kids. Sorry. Three boys. Beautiful baby girl who's tough as nails.

[Dan Orlovsky]

She is absolute problem.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Yeah. She's awesome. She's. She's much cooler than her dad. That is. That is like an easy thing. But coaching, that is not. That is a very task time. Tasking job, which I think is why like, AJ And I are like, we're not supposed to be coaches because there's a lot of desk watching. Right. Isn't that kind of how it goes?

[Keith Cosrow]

Well, that's just the. From the beginning of time, that's what they did. I mean, back in the day, the reason it's called cut ups is they literally had to cut up film. And it took that much time. Technology has made things a lot easier. So you can get the same work done without the same amount of hours. But we're still living in the old world of have to be there.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And not only do you just have to be there, you have to fix things whenever technology kind of takes a dump all over itself.

[Keith Cosrow]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

So this is super bowl champion.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Look at that. Look at that.

[Pat McAfee]

It's a Super bowl champion. 12 year NFL vet.

[Keith Cosrow]

I fixed this out of that copy machine.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Let me tell you, that copy machine had no chance against you.

[Pat McAfee]

No chance.

[Keith Cosrow]

That mask had no chance against my nose either as it was down over my neck or face.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. But to be clear, I think whenever AQ was done with that, he was incredibly pumped that he helped the team, which is selfless. Something that you get to experience whenever you join a team or you become a coach about you like contribute to something bigger than yourself and you actually get to reap the benefits from it all. I'm excited to kind of watch. Go ahead, A.J.

[AJ Hawk]

Dana, we're seeing, it seems like more teams this year after the season. They're talking about like accountability and finding players for being late. It sounds like star players on multiple teams might be, you know, showing up late or not doing what they're supposed to do at times. Is this something like when you talk to coaches around the league, league. Is this a league wide problem? Is this something that you feel like is easy to correct for teams that may have this issue, or do you have to clean house and figure things out?

[Dan Orlovsky]

I don't think it's an easy correct. I mean, I think that one of the things that has constantly been a part of the NFL and one of the reasons why there was such an admiration for what Bill Belichick and the Patriots did was, you know, they, most of the people that are players on your team make more money than most of your coaches. And there's a handful, if not more guys on your team, they make more money than the head coach. And so, you know, a lot of times I'm sure we have all experienced it where head coaches, something guys like I make double the amount of money, triple the amount of money you make. So there's nothing for us to talk about here. I don't, I haven't had really experience with coaches referencing that that was. Has been an issue and whatnot. You know, in our conversations and in the, I mean, we had hardball, so hardballs. The most kind of positive person I've ever been around. I do think it's an issue. I do think it stems back to kind of where the era that we're in now with youth sports and entitlement. There's a ton of entitlement in youth sports and I think that goes all the way up to high school. And there's a ton of entitlement in high school sports. And then it obviously goes into the college world and the NIL has been very positive. It's also created some, you know, butterfly effect that hasn't maybe had a positive impact. And entitlement is certainly a part of that. And so I think that there's just an era of athlete going into the NFL that's a little bit different than the ones of the past. It doesn't make it I guess bad. I don't want to. But it's different, you know? And it's. It's another thing that those coaches kind of have to handle.

[Pat McAfee]

You would have to handle.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah. You get the right people, though.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, you're saying just into your quarterback room. We're not. We're going to figure out who doesn't have this issue before having to deal with the issue. That's what you're saying.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah. I mean, I certainly think that when at any level you're trying to get people into your building or whatnot, High school, like, you got to make sure, especially nowadays, that those people are wired the right way, made of the right stuff. Think about it. The right way. Like, that's. That's one thing. I think that's why general managers are becoming so popular in college football as well, too, is like, you got to handle a lot more. And that's one way to deflect it as the coaches. I don't want to deal with that. You hire it.

[Jason Kelsey]

You.

[Dan Orlovsky]

You hire someone to deal with it.

[Pat McAfee]

No turds, they're gonna sneak through that. They're gonna be like those Houdini dumps that are down there in the bottom. You can't even see them.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

And then every once in a while, they're gonna fester, and you're gonna need boom dove, man, whole body dio. Because even after a little bit of boom, dingle bell dude wipes, you're gonna make sure that stanky ass doesn't smell, you know? And that's. That's those who d. Not a problem.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I got so many dude wipes still at my house. It's great.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it's because you farted on air all the time. That became, like, a trend. I don't know if that's gonna be your quarterback room. Hey, guys, welcome to today. I don't know if that's gonna be, like, your gimmick, dude.

[Dan Orlovsky]

We were in. We were in Baltimore for week 18. We did the Browns Ravens game, and we went down on the field. So me, Fowler, and Lewis went down on the field right before kickoff, essentially just to wander, say hi to some people. And as I'm walking just off the sideline to go back up to the booth, some dude yells from the stands, was it a fart?

[Jason Kelsey]

Yes or no?

[Pat McAfee]

That's awesome.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I looked at him. I hit him with, like, a shrug. And the whole group was like, yeah, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I got jacked up. Shout out to the boys over there in Baltimore. Obviously, they've seen the clip Watch you just fart. Right live on air. There's actually a sign outside that's still outside the gate.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And it was still there. Yep. And it's actually on the Google images now. I think if you were to look, it is actually a part of the building. So a lot of people are wondering about your flatch flatulence. There it is. Why don't you hold them in? Keep them in there, you know, and good luck with whatever you do. I'm excited to watch how you handle all of those things. Let's talk about the future of the NFL. Obviously, a rookie superstar, potentially.

[Darius Butler]

Potentially.

[Pat McAfee]

D Buch has a question for you. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

You're talking about coaching in the quarterback rooms. Number one pick this year, Caleb Williams. Obviously, we see what Cliff was able to do with Jaden still playing. Sean Payton was able to do a Bo Nicks. I believe I saw a tweet. I don't know if it was AI or not, but she was tweeting saying, I can make Caleb or I would make Caleb a superstar. I just want to know, if you were to get into that room with him, how would you coach him, you know, to see that growth and see him take the next step on his level?

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah, I think that a lot of people could do that because he's super talented. I think the number one thing you have to get him to do is play in structure and realize the benefit of that. It's not just, hey, you got to learn how to play in structure and play on time and play into the rhythm of the offense and have that be a focus point. You got to get him to understand the why behind that. Why is playing in structure such a big deal? And also making sure that you don't try to take away the special talent that he has. I think that's the biggest challenge is the last thing you want to do is steal his magic. And last thing you want to do is take away the reason why you drafted him. Number one, because he has uncoachable traits. But the uncoachable traits don't matter, nor do they ever get to show up unless you are consistently as a quarterback within timing, within rhythm. Because there's four or five plays a game as a coach where the defense wins the rep. You know, the defense has the perfect play call and they play it perfectly. All 11 guys on defense. That's what makes Lamar. Lamar and Patrick. Patrick and Josh. Josh is you can play it perfectly and it won't matter. They could defy the laws of physics. They could break the Rules of your defense. And Caleb has that talent, but it doesn't get to show itself unless you are willing to do what's needed in that play. I think that the number one starting point, the bud, is, okay, what play are we calling? And you got to get him to completely understand what play you're calling. What's the opportunity in that play? If we get this defense, how do we hurt it? And what's the problem of that play? If we get this defense or this pressure, what's our answer? We have to have an answer for everything. Okay, the second thing is, what's the defense? You know, what does the defense mean to me? I think we lose sight of that. So consistently, these teams, they call place and then the defense, you're going to the line of scrimmage and you don't know what you're getting. And so you, the defense is asking you a question like, what are you going to do with this. This front or this pressure or this coverage? You got to have the answer to that. And that's what is playing in structure, and that's what's playing on rhythm. That's what allow guys to play fast. And then you always, you know, I remember Gary Kubiak constantly having us as quarterbacks. We would study the game plan every single play. We'd have to know and we would have to know exactly what was the number one defense. That was a problem for every play. If you got to line of scrimmage, you got this defense or. Or what would be the defense that's the problem at the line of scrimmage. If we got cover four and they match everything on the inside, well, then what's the answer? Where does the ball go? And so I think that that's the starting point for Caleb and his development. I also think this, though, for a guy, he's interesting in this regard. D. But he makes some throws that are unbelievable. Like, the accuracy is remarkable. And then there's throws where you go, why'd you miss that one by five feet? And so I do think there's just the constant improvement of. And mechanically, he's not flawed. He's pretty darn good mechanically. The constant improvement of the. The visual element of things I think improves his accuracy in those moments.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so Caleb Williams, potentially a superstar, gonna have to learn a lot. I think the one game we were watching, I don't. I don't know who was calling it. Basically he was breaking down how it was. You actually was a clip that you posted on X. I think the way the defense Showed it was an obvious he's supposed to throw left situation. Very easy to read. It was cover two. We're doing this. On this particular particular play, we're going left. Instead, he sees it and he throws to the right, which was not the right play. Within that particular play, which I think is what you just kind of tried to lay out. I don't think a lot of us understood that until I saw the clip where it was like, hey, the quarterback's job, if they see this even within this play, is like, hey, we're going right here, right now. This is the answer to the test right now. And then whenever you miss it, if it's not pointed out live in real time, I think a lot of us just think that was a stupid play. That was, you know, like, that. That's a big.

[Dan Orlovsky]

That's kind of like. Like, for me, Pat, I don't like when people say, well, quarterback, you can't predetermine your throat. Why. I mean, why do we get into certain formations as an offense, and why do we motion people in certain ways? Well, we're trying to create information. We're trying to get. So if I know you're in a certain coverage and I know that this is the concept that we have called and it's the perfect concept versus that coverage, why would I not? Now, I don't think you assume things. You got to confirm that the defense is what you're expecting, but it very much so, like, that's how you get to play fast. That's why these teams get into certain formations and motions. And so I do think that's a part of it, is just really, really getting those young players and Caleb specifically to understand all of that, the why behind it, and then letting it loose, man.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, you got to cover up the body ass stink, you know, Got to cover up the. The bad football. You got to cover up the bad play. You got to put Diocese. Your name's Do. While he's giving us answer. And you cover up bad shit. I mean, you should have a deal with them. Like, I know we got you a dude wipes deal. You're welcome.

[Dan Orlovsky]

You know, you did. Thank you.

[Pat McAfee]

And potentially your ESPN deal. You're welcome. But the.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah, I'll take that as well. You sent my daughter to Taylor Swift, so thank you for that as well.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This one, it feels like a natural fit. As you were doing this, I'm like, oh, Dana is coming in to kind of COVID up people's stink. And then I like, literally staring at him like. Like, Daniel, his whole body, he's bad football do. Is this all an audition to these answers he's been given? It sounds like he's trying to tell people, like, hey, I know football. Yeah, a little bit. Oh, man. You know what he is? Yeah, you know what he.

[Ty Schmidt]

Stay away.

[Pat McAfee]

You have a playbook ban.

[Darius Butler]

You might have your guy. They're looking for a head coach.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that's happened before, right? Where an owner has watched somebody on TV say something and be like, yeah, why don't my people say this? Oh, yeah, you're out. Hey, excuse me. Would you like to come in? That's happened very much through the history of sports media in the NFL. Dano's just saying, hey, just here's my thoughts, here's my philosophy. Now, A.J. you asked a question there that I think is a big one. Did you say.

[AJ Hawk]

I said, do you have a playbook that you would take into an interview, Dan, if you were someone? Said, hey, you want to be our OC or quarterback coach?

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah. I would morph the playbook of the Kyle Shanahan, Gary Kubiak, Mike Shanahan stuff. So a little bit of what Kyle does now, I think a little bit of what Kevin O'Connell does now. And then I would also morph a little bit of the Joe Brady, Liam Cohen stuff that they do, which is a little new age four by one, outnumbering people, the use of two back, but kind of two halfback, maybe not just a fullback. I love the versatility of Buffalo's offense, Baltimore's offense. So I think it's kind of a combination of the stuff that's been in the league for a long time, but some of the New Age 4x1 RPO Quarterback Design Run.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so I didn't know we were just gonna do a coach's interview here, but what's your day one message to the group? If you please tell. Yeah. What is the three keywords? What are the mantra? What's the room gonna be known for whenever you look back?

[Dan Orlovsky]

No, no, no, no. I don't. I'm not there yet. I'm not there yet.

[Pat McAfee]

Sound like. I mean.

[Ty Schmidt]

Well, let's get there.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Yeah, why not? Why aren't we there? Well, that's a question. I have bad prep. Why aren't you there yet? Yeah. How come you haven't decided to do the coaching thing over the past couple years? Were you scared of it? Did you think you weren't going to be good? Why is now the time that you're thinking about getting you miss it? Have you even tried it? Do you even coach your kids team? Are you allowed to coach your kids team in the county in which you live?

[Dan Orlovsky]

Boys, got a big basketball game tonight. Undefeated versus undefeated.

[Pat McAfee]

Big hoop. Holy. What are they. All three of them are guards. And then you just got two other.

[Ty Schmidt]

Guys playing not dedicated to them play.

[Dan Orlovsky]

My third one doesn't play because he's. He has autism. So like he's just not. Sports draw everything. Coolest kid in the world. I got one who's a three and D guy and then one who thinks he's Jason Williams, but he's more like White Chocolate. Boston Connor.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, well, you have no idea, brother. Passing. My bad.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's. I mean Boston Connor and White Chocolate are certainly playing two different styles of basketball. Connor is a stroker though. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Oh yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

So when AQ just said Connor. Connor can 3 and D, he can splash it.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah, I got, I got a three and dig. Guess, guess what? The names of the two kids that we got to shut down tonight are. Westport, Connecticut. We got B.O.

[Pat McAfee]

Chad, Gunner Bow and Gunner Dog. You guys are screwed, dude. Bo and Gunner are about to go bananas out there. Yeah, do not let Gunner get hot early.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah, you know, Gunner is. Gunner is this this wiry, flowy, long haired athlete that shows up and strokes, dude.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Yeah. So he's got some big white guy. This big white guy up there. Yukon. Yeah, the same exact kind of style and vibe for their men's match. How old are these, these boys that are playing?

[Dan Orlovsky]

These boys are in the 12, 13 world, seventh graders and we're watching film.

[Pat McAfee]

Already on the other team. Okay. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

How do you know so much about the opponent?

[Dan Orlovsky]

Win everything. One thing At a time, A.J.

[Connor]

Everybody knows about Gunner up there.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, Bo. Bo.

[Ty Schmidt]

And kidding me, everybody.

[Pat McAfee]

You got.

[Ty Schmidt]

When Orlo got coffee this morning, the guy giving it to him said, hey, good luck with both.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, you're right, I forgot about that. We went down the street there. Okay, so your coach. What's the speech? Are we giving a speech? I'd like to hear how we'd maybe rally a bunch of 12 year olds or maybe an NFL team that you're currently interviewing for.

[Dan Orlovsky]

You guys, stop. I'm not, I'm not going to. I'm not going to be big. I won't be big pregame with them. Hey, let's go play our game.

[Pat McAfee]

It's another.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Go play our game.

[Pat McAfee]

Just another game. Bo.

[Connor]

Gunner, they don't think it's another game.

[Dan Orlovsky]

But yeah, they think it's now 20 seconds in. I'll probably dog cuss one of my kids for not playing hard enough, but nice.

[Pat McAfee]

How sweet is your timeout. You do big timeouts. How we.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I'm the assistant coach. My boy Chuck is the head coach. I'm the assistant. He knows a lot more about. I don't know anything about basketball.

[Pat McAfee]

Bowen. Gunner taking on Chuck and Dan is a Connecticut matchup that they've been dreaming out here.

[Ty Schmidt]

Chuck couldn't sleep.

[Dan Orlovsky]

We're playing against Bo, Gunner, Hendricks and Ahri.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh shit. Hendricks and ahrii. That's a tag team there at the back half of Austria.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Problem? Hendrix is a problem.

[Pat McAfee]

You don't like Ahri. What's that all about?

[Dan Orlovsky]

Ahri's an Hooper but Hendricks plays his freaking rear end off, dude.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. You okay, aj? You okay, aj?

[AJ Hawk]

I have a son named Hendrix. Me made me chuckle. Happy 12 year old Hendrix.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, Hendrick, great name.

[Ty Schmidt]

Is he play. Is he played.

[Pat McAfee]

Axel rolling up there. What the hell could you imagine? Hold on now. I didn't know that 12 year olds are doing this much scouting of rosters and film and everything in these tournaments. Think about when Axel Hawk is coming to town as an 11 year old. The other team, the coach.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Is this the puker?

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, yeah, he's the puker.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Is he a meathead?

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, he is. But my, I mean my nine year old right before that, after the Rose Parade actually clogged up a toilet that had 20 people waiting for it because he put paper towels in it. This is Veteran. He turned nine on the trip and he came walking out with a shirt tucked in. And my, my 11 year old said he just started dying laughing because he knew he took a dump in there. And then all of a sudden the lady walked in a hotel.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Aj?

[AJ Hawk]

No, no. In a Mexican restaurant at the Rose Parade. So there's like. Like 25 people waiting for the one bathroom. Yeah, he put paper towels in because they were out of toilet paper.

[Pat McAfee]

What's the name?

[Dan Orlovsky]

You know, it's crazy kid Hendricks that we're playing tonight. His little brother did the same thing in their house this week. It bursted the pipes. Their home is flooded and they're living in.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey look, he's laughing in their face. They got some adversity over there. Good luck to all parties. Parties. Good luck to all parties. Yeah, he does. He's got their. He's got their signs. Yeah, he seems like he's in their hustle.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Up there in New England.

[Ty Schmidt]

Is not a New England.

[Pat McAfee]

What's that?

[Ty Schmidt]

We do not claim Them? Yeah, they do not count.

[Pat McAfee]

Just yesterday they were in.

[Dan Orlovsky]

We're 100% New England.

[Ty Schmidt]

They're just as much as the tri state area. Okay. Westchester, all those. They basically are part of Connecticut. They can have them in New York. They're not new.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, so that's where the state. That's where New England is split to New York and New England. Yeah. No, it's like.

[Ty Schmidt]

It's like. It's basically everywhere around Connecticut and up. Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire.

[AJ Hawk]

Why don't you claim Connecticut?

[Pat McAfee]

What's that mix?

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah, what I mean you is half the state. At least half the state from the middle of the state north through all Red Sox fans, Patriots fans, Celtics and Bruins. And then half the state south is on New York for negotiating.

[Ty Schmidt]

Bingo.

[Pat McAfee]

So half of you, half of Connecticut is New England.

[Ty Schmidt]

No, no, we don't do hats. We do all. Or not. And that's why Connecticut's out live for your dad, brother. Bingo. You think New Hampshire is going to take some Connecticut? Give me a break.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, let's get back to some football.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Shout out to the revolution people, man.

[Pat McAfee]

Shout out to the revolution region. By the way, we appreciate what you did up there. You're welcome. Driving for your country with that same area. Now do that.

[Ty Schmidt]

We don't gotta talk about now.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. What do you mean? Let's. Let's move forward back into football conversation, shall we? The revolution regions and so much history. You. You got married up there. Yes, I did that. Church was. I. I was a part of history.

[Connor]

Or church in America.

[Pat McAfee]

George, right?

[Connor]

George Washington used to.

[Pat McAfee]

Wow.

[Connor]

Be there. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Rhode Island. Proud member of New England.

[Pat McAfee]

It's like a trip to Europe real quick.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, you go back in time just like whenever you go out to like wine country after complete opposite. But it is like you're in Europe. It's just a very different spot. Let's get back to football. Let's go to Philadelphia. Okay. America's first capital. Hell yeah. Usa. Usa. Usa. Had to get one of those, you know, the camo shirt on. Love it. Had to do that. Hey, Q has a question for you about Philly. Yeah.

[Keith Cosrow]

Dan, you did a breakdown the other day of Philly's offense and you were defending Jalen hurts and receivers not being open. Open and this, that and the other. Right. So as you watch that film, who do you see as the fault of that? Do you blame Kellen Moore? Do you blame the receivers? Do you blame Jalen? Why are guys not getting open?

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah, I don't blame the receivers. At All I think the. It's. It's probably a combination of Kellen Moore and Jalen hurts. I would say this. There's a lot of evidence that their past game doesn't go over the middle of the field. So I would say that there's probably an amount of information that they have as a coaching staff that says they don't execute plays pass game wise over the middle field very well. So it's probably a little bit of trying to make sure that Jalen's in a situation where he's executing the plays that he's most comfortable with on a consistent basis. And it feels like a lot of those are on the perimeter. And then as Kellen Moore, he's trying to figure out how many different ways or is there a different way to get the ball in a layered concept or crosses over the middle of the field. And so I think that's probably a little bit of both of them. I think as a play caller you gotta constantly. Kellen's gonna have to constantly try to find some areas because if I was Rams defensively, I'm sitting there going to let you throw the ball outside this week. Yeah, I'm gonna make. And I think that's what Halfley did with Green Bay was it felt like Halfley was like, all right, you're not throwing the ball on the perimeter. I'm gonna force you to throw the ball over the middle field and I'm gonna cover it up in the ways that. Because Jalen specifically on the inside stuff, I think AQ Jalen plays pretty decently in timing on the outside stuff, the stop routes, the out routes, the big comebacks, the goal. But on the inside stuff, it's not like a, it's not bang bang, piston like. And I think the Rams are going to be very aware of that and say, all right, we're not going to allow you to do that. So I, I think it's a combination of, you know, Jalen's got to trust it a little bit more when he sees it over the middle field. And then Kellen's got to figure out ways that he can, you know, live in the, the RPO world, live in the one on one world on the outside, try to create some play action, chunk shots. And then is there a concept or two that he has supreme confidence in Jalen operating kind of really efficiently over the middle of the field. So I really don't believe it's a receivers can't win type of thing. I think it's a little bit of them figuring out, you know, in playoff defenses, what's best for them.

[Pat McAfee]

We're playing catch over here because we're getting so jacked up about football. When he talked about those throws that Jalen hurts has to make, you're talking about the ones that got to have a little feather, you know, a little bit of feather on that, you know, put it right. You got to have a little feather. You got to get over a layer and in front of somebody else. That's not easy. That's. That's an elite throwers quality. So you're kind of saying maybe he's not as confident he can make those throws. He has shown that he's made those throws but it's not every single time. And maybe he's gun shy on having to potentially do that. Right.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah, I think too is, you know, go back to the Super Bowl. Year two is good. I go back to the 22 season. I don't have a lot of memory of Jalen looking uncomfortable in the pocket, almost unwilling to step up into those seams. He did or he hung there and delivered the ball. I think last year, you know, that started to show itself a little bit. It has a little bit this year. And so just getting him comfortable to not only like hanging in that pocket pocket but seeing in that pocket as well I do believe is something that they're constantly trying to work through. And so yeah, it is that. You know, if you guys remember the Lamar, the third and 13 touchdown to Bateman this weekend, like it was just, it's just enough air to get over an underneath defenders fully extended arm but firm enough that it doesn't sail over that next level. Yeah, this throw, I mean if this is like see that ball's probably you know, 1012ft off the ground. So it's just over that second level defender but also right in, in kind of that, that chest breadbasket area for.

[Pat McAfee]

Bateman is that double barreled to the camera there, that double pointer fingers. He's pointing at you, you, you, you. You should see how good of a throw that was by Le Lamar. I think is what he was doing to the camera after the celebration, which looked awesome. But yeah, that's the elite arm talent that Lamar has. I think he was just pointing you, you, you. That looks like a no. He said you, you, you, you. You need to see what Lamar just did from my angle. So he said, he said wait till you get to the sky cam the all 22 on this thing. You're going to be really impressed. But to your point, that touch and Everything like the pinpoint accuracy and then the. What would that be called? Whenever you're assuming he'll be in a position, you know, the throw it to a spot, throw it to a spot. But confidence, the participation, there it is. The anticipation on speed on where that's all just like a natural feel. I think it has come like it's just natural for Lamar as opposed to thinking about it all which is potentially happening with some of the younger guys.

[Dan Orlovsky]

CJ's great at it as well. You know, CJ is sensational throwing some of those big ends to Nico. That's where you know those reps of timing and what's the landmark for the route? Deep butt knows that so well. That's why defenders try to get hands on guys because, hey, I want to throw this football. Disrupt the rock four yards, I want, yeah, I want to throw this ball off x hitch 4 yards inside the hash at 18 yards and I gotta trust that you're gonna get there. So as a quarterback, I'm like, I'm cutting this sucker loose. And you know, Carson Palmer's the greatest ever at my. One of the.

[Pat McAfee]

Like Manning played football, so Carson Palmer certainly, certainly good. Okay. But what you were.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Carson and Ocho were so good at it.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, I agree.

[Ty Schmidt]

Who would the gocho.

[Pat McAfee]

I agree. I agree 1000%. But we're having a Marvin Harrison, Peyton Manning conversation now all of a sudden.

[Dan Orlovsky]

No doubt.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, and there is also reg in that entire time, Dallas Clark at the tight end position. The amount of reps they took was because this thing is leaving my hand. You're going to be nowhere near looking at the ball and the DB is actually going to think there's no way the ball is in the air right now. And as soon as that turn, boom, it's just right in the spot. He was like the anticipate. But the amount of reps they had to take to get there. Yeah, I mean it was just like, we're repping this out, we're repping this out, we're repping this out, we're repping this out. So many like getting a chance to watch like an off season workout through that entire lockout year. It's like, holy. I didn't know it was like. It is like we are going to be on the same page for sure no matter what. And then you have to see the defense the exact same way as well. And it's like that's why they were such a, like a machine almost. I mean, debug, bingo, burrow, Jamar, go.

[Ty Schmidt]

Ahead, Debo just was talking about Brady and like the shoulders he was throwing to.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah. In practice one time a guy like, because he would throw it. Like if you're, let's say you run a crossing route from his left to right and he hit you on. If he would hit you on that back shoulder, it was intentional to basically take you away from the defender. So you catch it and go back that way. So if you were to catch it and go this way, hey, I put it there for a reason. Like, like Wes Walker, like, you know, you say hospital balls. That's why Tom speaks so much about quarterbacks putting their receivers in danger. Like, look, it's not only defenders to protect them. It's on the quarterbacks to do it. And like now there are only so many quarterbacks that are that accurate with live bullets or flying. And he had to be that way. Peyton had to be that way. Drew had to be that, be that way. When like guys like Jalen, Josh, Allen, Lamar are that way and throwing the ball with that type of accuracy, they're almost unstoppable because they're seeing defenses that they have to cater to their legs too. So you got to be more simple. Sometimes you're going to have more one on one matchups on the outside. So like it's, it's so different. But when those guys can beat you from the pocket, like Lamar, what he's doing this year, those guys are damn big.

[Pat McAfee]

And that's why they always bring that up whenever it's like contract negotiations. Everybody's like, can he do this? Can you do this? Can he do that? It was brought up a lot with Lamar. Lamar is obviously clearly answering those questions. Let's talk about the quarterbacks now. We just talked about Lamar whenever he was potentially available to everybody in the NFL.

[AJ Hawk]

Yep.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Potentially swinging a miss on that one.

[Ty Schmidt]

Guys had 200%.

[Pat McAfee]

They would have matched whatever the offer was. So you would have had given up a lot. You would have had to out deal the Baltimore Ravens who are willing to give whatever. If you listen to Harbaugh, Okay. If you listen what Harbaugh was saying, let's assume they were all on the same page. But nobody even like reached out. Allegedly. Nobody even. Let's talk about the quarterback market. Now. We would assume if Lamar Jackson was a free agent, he would get paid a hundred million dollars a year with how he's playing and how exciting he is. But Con man has a question for you. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Dan, how do you feel about the QBs available? Obviously Darnold Rogers possibly Russell Wilson, Joe Flacco is in there too. There's a lot of QB questions for a lot of teams. How do you feel about the guys available in free agency? And then is the draft class where teams are going to look to? Because right now the narrative is the QBs in the draft aren't the greatest QB draft class of all time.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah, I think Sam Darnold's clearly the best option when it comes to the realistic free agents. I know the last two weeks I think what we've learned from Sam Darnold, you win a lot of games, games with Sam Darnold. As long as he's got that structure, that, that, that scheme, that's really good. The play action, centric offensive line, skill, people on the outside, you'll win a lot of games with them. I do think it's fair to say over the last two weeks we've learned you're not going to win games because of him. And the offensive line didn't play well. They got covered up. So you know that, that is a reality, you know, so if you're a team that, hey, we, we got to get a, just a really good player at that position, I want to get Baker Mayfield or Geno Smith. That's kind of like the, the lateral correlation. I think Sam's going to be that guy for somebody. I actually thought Rodgers like, listen, if Rodgers wants to come back and play, I still believe Aaron's playing winning football. I thought his last eight weeks when he got a little bit healthier, that was very obvious. And so do I think that, you know, it's got to be in a situation that's ideally because of the age and his health, no question about it. You know, Russell Wilson. I think the last three years we've figured out kind of where Russell is in his career. You know, he's, he's going to hold the football on a long time. If you can create some one on ones, he's got a chance to be a really good player throwing the ball downfield. I do believe he's not what he was five years ago. That's not some earth shattering statement. Fields, the Fields thing is interesting to me and also frustrating to me at the same time because you know, Pittsburgh and I heard you guys talking about it and obviously it's been a conversation all week. Like this is one of the reasons why, why so many of us, and me very much so, was so convicted about keeping Justin on the field. Because now you still don't know. You, you still don't know anything in for 20, 25, that position is a giant question mark. And it's like, well, bring back Justin Fields. But what do we really believe about Justin Fields? Where if you just had him play this year, I still think you would have been a relatively similar team and at least you would have had the body of work of, of. Nope, this guy can't do it. And we're going to not have him a part of our future or like we are. We are convinced that this guy's got a really bright future and he's going to be our at least starting point, quarterback wise. And so the draft, I would tell you this, they're all very interesting. Shador doesn't have number one pick traits, but he's going to be in the conversation because physically he's not wildly impressive. He's just not. He's not big. He's not crazy athletic. He's. He's not a physical phenom. Cam Ward is a physical phenom. You're gonna have to get him to play a little bit more in structure, a little bit like Caleb was coming out. I think, Quinn, yours is interesting because of what he, you know, accomplished in his career. Milroe is interesting, you know, just because he is a physically impressive human being. So I don't think it's.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm sick of it. Will Howard is getting zero respect, and I guess he can't even go back right. He's got no years.

[Connor]

This is last year.

[Pat McAfee]

He's definitely going to the NFL.

[AJ Hawk]

The big son of a bitch can move, too.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I don't know enough about his game.

[Pat McAfee]

Are you watching? Oh, you just watched the play. He's got Jeremiah Smith, he's got Igbuka, he's got Tate, he's got Judkins, he's got Henderson pretty good. I mean, he's got. And the tight end has the greatest name of all time, named G. Scott.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, Kaz Merrick, you're saying?

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah. And G. SCOTT jr. Yeah. So he's got a lot of weapons. That's not his fault. That's not his fault.

[Connor]

He was no slouch at Kansas State, though. That's why Ohio State was like, hey, still got. Put it on him.

[Pat McAfee]

And he. He's got Bop, too. Seen him skip around. I mean, he is. As we wrap up here on espn, he'll be back on NFL Live in just a matter of a few moments. We'll continue on ESPN + Disney + YouTube and TikTok live for the final few days. Have a good one. We'll see you Tomorrow. Goodbye. TikTok's done. Dano dead. Have you heard about that?

[Darius Butler]

Dan, you got Tick Tock.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I have heard about it. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Dan, you've definitely done this. A couple.

[AJ Hawk]

Some coastal elitists could go buy that.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes, thank God some coastal elitist could have go do that. Dan, why don't you. Why don't you. Why don't you go find the money.

[Ty Schmidt]

To buy TikTok, talk to Bo.

[Pat McAfee]

All right?

[Dan Orlovsky]

You'll be my first call.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Well, too many people are doing that these days, so we're never gonna get to that point, I believe. But it is an honor to do that. The. The thought of that, I don't. It's still. We still got days. You know, it ain't going. Deadlines, too.

[AJ Hawk]

Feels like it's already too ingrained, too deep.

[Pat McAfee]

I wonder if the government people know, like, hey, everybody's on.

[Ty Schmidt]

Well, don't the government people and their kids. They're not allowed to have it on their phone. Wasn't that put in place a couple years ago?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, And I wonder if they have conversations with like, yeah, because it's being tracked by China.

[AJ Hawk]

Everything's tracking you. Everything's tracking every.

[Pat McAfee]

Literally everything. But I wonder if they ever have conversations with real people and understand, like, hey, he booked a honeymoon on Tick Tock. People are using it as a search engine.

[AQ Shipley]

It's a big deal.

[Pat McAfee]

Sports are on our shows. Sports are on Tick Tock and do very well on Tik Tok. It's a lot of things for an entire generation. It's like, if you want to be the biggest heel on earth, okay. And I don't know if that's the game and just piss off an entire generation. I think this would be an easy way to let that happen. I think.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

But the biggest.

[AJ Hawk]

The biggest. Who do they blame?

[Ty Schmidt]

It.

[Pat McAfee]

You got blame. Hopefully we're blaming Sha.

[Connor]

Well, that's what they're worried about is in two years, you're going to be booking your honeymoon to the Shangi province.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, and then I'll go check out. I'll go check out.

[Ty Schmidt]

Go look at the gray water, the Forbidden city.

[Pat McAfee]

And Ed.

[Ty Schmidt]

You want to go see Jing Jing? See, that's the only reason I want to keep the stuff like TikTok, because Jing Jing might not be available to the. To the public without.

[Pat McAfee]

This is how. What do you. Please pull up? Xing Jing, please. How do I spell X I n G? X I n G. The way Connor pitched it to me.

[Dan Orlovsky]

What am I pulling up here?

[Pat McAfee]

This isn't meat Spin Bro, don't worry.

[AJ Hawk]

We got a couple others who can send you.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. If you would like. Rest in peace.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I'm pulling up a. A visual or.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, just an Instagram. It's maybe the cutest thing I've ever seen.

[Ty Schmidt]

There's Jing Zing.

[Dan Orlovsky]

It's a. Some chimpanzee or something.

[Pat McAfee]

Whoa. I don't think that is.

[Darius Butler]

That is one fat monkey.

[Ty Schmidt]

She ain't just some chimp. And she's not a fat monkey. It's how she was built.

[Pat McAfee]

No, she is a fat.

[Keith Cosrow]

That's what I say.

[AJ Hawk]

She's got a thyroid issue.

[Ty Schmidt]

She's built like that.

[Pat McAfee]

She's got bigger bones, heavier bones, but.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Is it what she's built?

[Pat McAfee]

This is Xin Zing. And Connor pitched me Xin Zing yesterday, saying, listen, you need. I know you don't do all the Internet stuff. I know you don't buy into all this stuff. You need to get on board with Xin Jing. Yeah. And I said, excuse me, I'm a.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Hard pass on that.

[Ty Schmidt]

You're a fool.

[Pat McAfee]

Daniel's out. I think I'm out, too.

[Dan Orlovsky]

What do you do with this?

[Pat McAfee]

You just follow along. Watch this.

[AJ Hawk]

What else does she do?

[Keith Cosrow]

Bring up Jake. Jake, bring up Jake.

[Ty Schmidt]

Jake, please. If we're gonna watch it.

[Pat McAfee]

She feels this banana. So cool.

[Dan Orlovsky]

You gotta get a life.

[Ty Schmidt]

This is my life, brother.

[Pat McAfee]

The way he showed it to me.

[Dan Orlovsky]

You gotta get a life.

[Pat McAfee]

Jing Zing is like Ed. Ed in Mandarin. Big. Don't worry about it. Just check it out. Do it, do it. And I looked at this monkey. I said, it's a damn. Damn cute monkey, a great monkey. But I don't know. The tick tock thing is a real conversation because it's potentially happening on Sunday. Obviously, with everything in the government, I don't follow along as much. And I guess there is a lot of people that go like, well, who cares? And it's like, well, that might be the way it ends up working out.

[Ty Schmidt]

Gallagher cares.

[Pat McAfee]

And if that takes, you know, who else cares Talk.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's because we're gonna have to shoot him in the head if it's. If we don't save.

[Pat McAfee]

We won't do that. We won't do that.

[Ty Schmidt]

We might.

[Pat McAfee]

Ladies and gentlemen, it is being reported that Mr. Beast has put an offer in to buy TikTok. I know. Mr. Beast is an absolute phenomenon. This man started as a teenager understanding YouTube and the algorithm, and then literally created a business through that that has made him basically a billionaire. I mean, and everything. He is genius. Is Mr. Beast, I think it's going to cost a lot of money.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't think it's just being a billionaire is going to be 60.

[Keith Cosrow]

Is that the number?

[Pat McAfee]

So allegedly, Mr. Beast and a group of billionaires, hopefully they're able to go get enough money to. From one of these companies that has shit done to be able to go 40 billion was X or Twitter.

[Dan Orlovsky]

How would they make money? Like, how does the thing make. How do you like, why like everybody.

[Pat McAfee]

On earth sonnets a platform you sell that you do the whole just standard operation, maybe subscription service like Elon chose to do with Twitter. I assume there's some merch. I think Twitter X was trying to.

[Dan Orlovsky]

People you Pay to use TikTok?

[Pat McAfee]

No, but nobody paid to use Twitter either. And then basically kind of became a point where you're gonna pay three bucks a month. Except for some people have held out this entire time. And anytime I see that, I really think to myself, wow, you really saying, I ain't fucking doing it? Yeah, because basically everybody else there. You could potentially do that. I don't know if everybody on TikTok would do that. A majority of people on X chose to do that and said, yeah, this thing's worth three bucks a month. I assume TikTok to talk people could do the exact same. No, I think it would take a long time.

[Dan Orlovsky]

We paid. We pay you to use Twitter now.

[Pat McAfee]

What's that?

[Dan Orlovsky]

You pay a monthly fee to use Twitter now.

[Pat McAfee]

So it's like a premium option. Yeah. Where you can post videos. It's Dan.

[Ty Schmidt]

So do you, Dan. They got you.

[Pat McAfee]

This is part of the problem. Yeah. You got the check mark, Dan. Yeah. Didn't you guys somebody. Was it you who made a big deal about Dano what Having to pay for it? Everybody was complaining about our members. Everybody was, I'm not. I'm not for a blue check.

[Darius Butler]

A lot of people saying, I just got it. I didn't pay. I didn't pay. I don't know how I got it though.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, okay. I had a blue check before it all happened. And whenever they're like three bucks for this, it's like, you got it.

[AJ Hawk]

I've, you know all the information in one spot. Yeah, it's everything for you.

[Pat McAfee]

I learn everything in my life basically off of this thing. So I spend hours on here. So if it's gonna cost three bucks to keep this thing going. So take my money corner almost is what I think. Three bucks a month. You got it. I know there's a lot of people that are pissed off about it. I could stand understand where they're coming from but like I'm on there, you know. So like for these people that are on TikTok, I would assume that they'd be okay saving it by doing it in a fashion 100. I don't know where all those people.

[AQ Shipley]

Are going to go if TikTok is banned.

[Pat McAfee]

Like are they just going back to China? They all are going to China to follow TikTok.

[Ty Schmidt]

So they can still. Yeah. Use TikTok all the dates.

[Dan Orlovsky]

You're this guy, man.

[Ty Schmidt]

They're gonna build houses.

[Pat McAfee]

Literally anything that is the whole conversation around Tick tock. I don't think you understand.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Is it?

[Pat McAfee]

Yes. I don't think that's. I don't think that's what you are understanding about this entire.

[Ty Schmidt]

I say anything but gourd on this guy.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

To tell me that. Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, Dan, we appreciate you. Good luck On NFL Live one hour from now.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Two hours. We're on at 4:00. Third Monday's around at 3, but thanks.

[Pat McAfee]

That's right. 4:00 every day.

[Connor]

4:00 every day.

[Pat McAfee]

Except for on Mondays, obviously. 3:00. How much fun are these 4:00 hours in the office when we're watching the NFL Live crew?

[Ty Schmidt]

We all gather around.

[Pat McAfee]

We do. Whenever he goes. Virtual reality. He did it yesterday. Yeah, I remember.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You're plugged in.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

That's so cool.

[Dan Orlovsky]

How. What time do you guys get into the. To the office, to your building?

[Darius Butler]

Soon.

[Pat McAfee]

There's early workouters. I think Gumpy's in here like 7:00am working out.

[Gumpy]

6:45.

[Darius Butler]

7. Yeah.

[Dan Orlovsky]

And then what time are you guys there till?

[Pat McAfee]

Depends on the day. There's a lot of.

[Dan Orlovsky]

More often than not.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know, probably 5:36. You know that type of stuff. There's a lot of stuff going on. It's up to something season right now. So there's something big. Yeah.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Something big coming. I saw you were trying to jack up to something season. What's going on? You. You up?

[Dan Orlovsky]

I'm not trying to.

[Pat McAfee]

Is this the coaching thing? Is this a coaching thing?

[Dan Orlovsky]

I am not trying to jack anything.

[Pat McAfee]

No.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Nope.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I'm just getting ready to do NFL life.

[Pat McAfee]

You don't have to. I'm not saying I own up to something. Don't be a jag. Yeah, yeah. Stop being a J. You're right, Gumpy. This guy is being a jag off right now. What is up to something season. Ukrainian something. We doing big business. We. We Got an idea or is it the coaching thing? You're doing those texts or tweets again? Make yourself irreplaceable. Never know what the future.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I've sent that a bunch this year.

[Pat McAfee]

I know that's what we're saying.

[Ty Schmidt]

It's only been 15 days in the year. That's. That's the whole entire thing. Thing. Sub tweet king saying it over and over.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, this year, technically.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I heard that debut.

[Pat McAfee]

These tweets get me juice. When I'm on the elliptical in the morning, I see these from Dan. I just keep going. They hit like renting.

[Dan Orlovsky]

You're an elliptical guy.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm all, Dan. My knees. I ain't got much left.

[Dan Orlovsky]

All right.

[Pat McAfee]

39. He was a soccer player too.

[Dan Orlovsky]

A lot of running young dude.

[Pat McAfee]

I worked at the shipyard for 15 years. Seen some things. Things he's inhaled a lot of boys too. You know, a lot of inhale and stuff. But Gumpy's brain is working in a high clip, and he's in there every single morning getting after it. And you know when you put those tweets out, we all do go, is everything okay?

[Ty Schmidt]

That okay?

[Pat McAfee]

And then he goes up to some season. He responds to that. It's like, oh, Dan's cooking something.

[Ty Schmidt]

Well, little did we know that tweet was actually about his boys taking on Bo and Gunner tonight.

[Pat McAfee]

That's right. Chuck and dan.

[Dan Orlovsky]

7:30 tip.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, well, good luck in the championship tonight. I hope Chuck has a good game plan, man.

[Dan Orlovsky]

It's all on him. Yep, it's all on him.

[Pat McAfee]

Hope Hendrickson and Ari really go apeshit tonight.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You didn't say anything about Ari still, about these players. No.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Ari's like a long Hooper. He's. He's a good player. I don't know a lot about his game because the other kids that I do know are lacrosse kids. I'm a little bit more ingrained into, like, the lacrosse world with these kids. I think Ari's the better basketball player, but I like Hendrix. Just freaking plays freaking hard, dude, so I know that's gonna happen. Freaking same with Bo.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Dan Orlovsky]

And Gunner just. Gunner's a Hooper.

[Pat McAfee]

These are all. These are all lax kids. What do I do now? What do I do, Connor? I'm really good with the lack stick out.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, yeah. I mean, you're working on split dodges yesterday.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, split dodge. Yeah. And then also. Hey, you ever seen one of these things? Ah, yeah. See?

[Dan Orlovsky]

One ace cradle.

[Ty Schmidt]

How about that?

[Pat McAfee]

How about it, huh? This is another dance. It's a national Championship back to back. Don't you worry about it. Looking to go for three. All right, Dano, how about the. The lacrosse guy for Golden State? Who was that?

[Ty Schmidt]

Spencer. Him and his brother both in the NBA.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, and then we got Faison playing for Notre Dame in the national championship. Wide receiver. He's a member of the Notre Dame across team.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Pies on. Pies on.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Boston. Connor, the kid from. There's a kid from Cheshire, Connecticut, which you probably know of the town. He's the. He's going to Notre Dame to play both as well. He might be there now.

[Pat McAfee]

Gosh.

[Dan Orlovsky]

His name.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

He's the number one.

[Ty Schmidt]

He was the number one recruit for lacrosse. He's on the team right now. Yeah, you're right.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

In the country.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah. He was the number one crew in the country. He's playing both football and lacrosse at Notre Dame. Yeah, I forget his name.

[Pat McAfee]

The lacrosse. The Kavanaugh.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Matt Jeffries.

[Pat McAfee]

Who?

[Ty Schmidt]

There it is. Jeffries.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I think his name is Matt Jeffries.

[Pat McAfee]

Matt knows the standard at Notre Dame. Lacrosse is high. Same with the football team. I assume this guy is a. A weapon of a. Being new. That lacrosse video. Watching the Notre Dame win was cool. Notre Dame lacrosse celebrating a Notre Dame football.

[Ty Schmidt]

They were just looking for any jersey, too. And it just. Just so happened the only jersey they could find was Jeters. So it was like, perfect.

[Pat McAfee]

What a perfect moment. That lacrosse team is a wagon up there.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, yeah, they're legit. And they feel good about a 3 Pete. Oh, yeah, yeah, they actually do. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

They still got Kavanaugh, boy, huh?

[Ty Schmidt]

They still got one.

[Pat McAfee]

If I do recall, he's the one that has first appearance on the program. Well, he had two black eyes and a shiner on his forehead.

[Ty Schmidt]

Hung over his house.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, a couple pops the night before.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, we saw him at the Notre.

[Pat McAfee]

Dame IU game and he was having.

[Ty Schmidt]

We were hanging out with those lads.

[Pat McAfee]

The proper time. Proper football time.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I like that Notre Dame lacrosse team. All right. Just like we like this guy. Good luck with whatever you're subtweeting about and good luck with all the coaching interviews that you're going to do privately after this public one. You're the man. Appreciate you, buddy.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Thanks, guys. Be good.

[Pat McAfee]

Would love to have you on our team. Coaching.

[Ty Schmidt]

Hell yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Ladies and gentlemen, Dan.

[Ty Schmidt]

Like this team, not like the Colts or the Patriots.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know, dude. He's. He's pretty diligent. I think he would give maximum effort. Yeah, that's seemingly everywhere. He does everything he does too much. Hey, we need to take on everything. He goes fucking full speed.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Authority on quarterbacks, cuz.

[Pat McAfee]

Full speed, Yeah. I love. Whenever people go, I don't see how this guy's watching all the film. Let's do some math here. 60 minute games, this many games, and somehow he has a full take on everything by 8am okay. There ain't enough time in the day. And then Dan had to come back. I have to prioritize my film study, but I do want to watch every single play of every single game. It's like, of course Dan does. I think that is how he is. He really was lobbying there for a job. A.J. i think. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

You know, he's got a plan. Has he, has he interviewed for any jobs in the past?

[Pat McAfee]

I think, I think he's. I don't know. You never know what's for leverage and you never know what's real.

[AJ Hawk]

He's just waiting on the right opportunity, I would imagine. Like, that's.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Like Rex Ryan is currently campaigning for the jets job publicly, which I respect mightily. Okay. Out of Rex Ryan, if he wants the job, obviously saying I want it is a cool thing to do. I think that showcases a lot of provocative. But he's also potentially saying hey to ESPN if his number's up. Like there's an option. I could do that all the time. You know, like Gruden played the card perfectly. Every year. Every year. Oh, they want me to come back and catch 5 million dollar increase to extension. Oh, they want me to come back and go, boom, new extension. Monday Night Football.

[AJ Hawk]

Was he like 10 years? Did he do Monday Night Football for 10 years? It seemed like it was a while.

[Pat McAfee]

I think him and Tarika. Right, that's who it was.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[Connor]

I mean, McDonough towards the end.

[Keith Cosrow]

At the end.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, oh, yeah. Because Tariko goes to NBC to do Olympic coverage and then inevitably Sunday Night Football. He's great.

[Darius Butler]

Tariko's good, really good.

[AJ Hawk]

He can do everything.

[Pat McAfee]

He's so smooth, you know, he's like so smooth. He can call anything. But I think football calling. I like him.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, he gets juiced too.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I like, I like his energy. I like what he does. And he, you can tell he's over prepared, which I, I appreciate because that showcases like work ethic and you know, everything. Like now football. Hey, it's wonderful. That's A.J. hawk. He has won a college football national championship. And how about the most recent Foxy flick of the Rose bowl trip there? Way to go, Foxy.

[AJ Hawk]

Very Good.

[Pat McAfee]

That was a nice trip down memory lane there. Thank you for piecing that together and documenting the most insane run that any group of people has ever had before seemingly the toxic tables here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. You boys look fantastic. Rooster's chicken right there on your forehead. Huh?

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh yeah. I love roosters. The perfect hat. You know, just no, no mumbo jumbo. Okay, Just a name.

[Pat McAfee]

How about roosters not making you dump all over yourself.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, very impressive. Because of how good it tastes, you would expect some sort of dumps fried.

[Pat McAfee]

Chicken can eat it before having to do something that's not normal. No at all.

[AJ Hawk]

Shout out to market that. Yeah, they should market that.

[Pat McAfee]

I was scared to death. You remember I walked in there.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh yeah. You asked me. You asked.

[Ty Schmidt]

You guys dump.

[Pat McAfee]

I need to know how everybody feels right now. Is everybody okay? Because obviously standing for this entire game, four degrees. AJ say you're great. Don't worry about it. And then Ty even said, hey, listen. Yeah, good stuff.

[Ty Schmidt]

Had it all too.

[Pat McAfee]

Whenever I heard Ty's stomach could handle it, I knew we're in a good spot. It was delicious. Delightful, delightful. High quality chicken burgers too. Yeah, they had and, and they just supplied it all. Kept it heated and cold for us. Obviously over there in Columbus, they were incredibly hospitable. Shout out to Sean Perkins. Shout out to the Ohio State Buckeyes. What about that time and what the question marks were going into that game whenever we were sitting in that incredible lounge to where we are now with that Ohio State team. Vastly different. Darrell Wagon national championship on Monday. Live from Atlanta, nine year NFL vet Darius J. Butler is here. Us being on sideline for these games, so stupid sick. Get a chance to kind of witness who these guys are, I think is a big deal for us. Remember we saw it with I think Jackson Smith and Jigba. We saw with CJ Strout. Soon as we saw him whenever he played against Georgia, obviously we saw the whole. This Jeremiah Smith guy, it's different. He is a different. He's a different person on the football field than everybody else that's on the football field with him.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, game record, you know, they got to figure out a way to get him involved early. I think in this game. Notre Dame, Notre Dame plays a lot of man to man coverage. So I'm excited to see the different matchups that Jeremiah Smith will get on Monday. I'm sure he's. He's itching to get that ball back in his hands after not having a huge performance last week.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, The Ohio State Buckeyes played nowhere near good in their eyes, I would say from what we had seen them do the past two weeks. They had mistakes that they don't normally make. Drop touchdowns by Tate. That's not going to happen. You know, a majority of the time. Jeremiah Smith goes up for one, drops it early, which would have had them on the one yard line. He's catching that at literally every other time. There was obviously the 15 yard penalty from Trayvon Henderson. Showcase a little bit of, you know, a loss of composure. It's like that's not what this Ohio State team has been. Are they able to get back to what they were? I think so. I think that's why we all think, like, they're going to be an absolute problem for Notre Dame. But Notre Dame, nobody projected this as well. Go back a few weeks. It's a special, special national championship on Monday. Team that won't be represented but was close. Penn State alum, ladies and gentlemen, AQ Ship. Hey, good year. I said, hey, great. Good, Good year.

[AJ Hawk]

Good squad.

[Pat McAfee]

Drew Aller is going to come back too.

[Keith Cosrow]

All of them are coming back.

[Ty Schmidt]

Is that good, by the way?

[Keith Cosrow]

Yeah, the, the announcements on Instagram. I saw the long snapper. Did an I'm back thing today. I quit. I quit with the announcements. I quit.

[Pat McAfee]

I quit.

[Ty Schmidt]

Long snapper be the only one announcing it.

[Pat McAfee]

What is this? What are you talking? He's trying to tell his friends and family.

[Keith Cosrow]

I'm proud of him.

[Pat McAfee]

Nose. Thank God he's back.

[AJ Hawk]

Thank you.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm pumped. He want to let his family know.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, I'm bad.

[Keith Cosrow]

It's too much.

[Ty Schmidt]

Too much. That was mean.

[Connor]

He's going to quit the team today.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. How is his family supposed to know?

[Ty Schmidt]

Fine.

[Keith Cosrow]

Like, I saw the name pop up.

[Pat McAfee]

Don't tell anybody.

[Keith Cosrow]

I said, who is Tyler? And like, look it up, it says longstapper.

[Ty Schmidt]

I'm back.

[Keith Cosrow]

I'm like, I, I, I can't do it anymore.

[Pat McAfee]

Can't do it. That's cool.

[Keith Cosrow]

Can't do it.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm happy you're back, dude. One more year spinning that thing. Good luck. There's only 32 jobs in NFL. Literally no more. That is. That is the only. There are 32 of them and that's it. I don't think the UFO is paying for a longstaffer. I don't think so.

[Ty Schmidt]

Sorry. AQ hates you.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And keep working, though. We're proud of you. Joining us now is a man who's been working in the NFL world for a very long time. Almost as long as we've made him wait here. And we do apologize for that. Absolute legend from NFL Films, Vice president at NFL Films, Keith Khosrow. We wasted a lot of your life. We apologize, Keith. That's 100 on us.

[Jason Kelsey]

Never waste our time, Pat. It's good to be back.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, How's NFL Films do?

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, well, hold on. There we go.

[Pat McAfee]

Nailed it. That's on us. We should have probably. We should have went quicker and said right shoulder. Right shoulder. Right. Yeah, that's on us. We could be a good team. Like, you guys are basically the 33rd team of the NFL. We talk about how important the NFL Films, you know, is to the entire operation that is the NFL. I think obviously we've chat about it on our show before. I don't think we've had an opportunity to chit chat with maybe a new group of people that have been watching. But NFL Films has basically been a tag team partner of the NFL since I don't know what year. The beginning of almost televised football. And now you guys have your hands in everything the NFL is a part of in creation and distribution. And you guys are like Scorsese level shit for the NFL. And I think you guys should get your flowers over there with everything you do for the league and for the sport that we all love.

[Jason Kelsey]

Thank you. We appreciate all the love. We appreciate you guys have been great to us and, and, and it's been an incredible time for us. We're busier right now today as we sit here than we have been. And we've been here since 1962 when the Sables shot the NFL championship game for the first time. So, you know, like we're, we just did. We're in the final stages of this marathon four team Hard Knocks with the AFC north, which has been an unbelievable challenge and a really cool show. And, you know, in our free time, we're making a late night show with Jason Kelsey. It's been a, it's been a wild month.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, there's a lot going on in NFL films all the time because of how much, you know, there is to offer from the NFL, its players, its entities and everything like that. Let's talk about the Hard Knocks in season with the AFC North. We were excited about it because it gave you an option to tell a story of a team maybe depending upon how a season can go, can kind of ruin a season almost now with four options, we were thinking there was going to be some magic somewhere. You certainly found that early. Obviously the Steelers are on a run. Then the Ravens go on a crazy run. They meet each other in the middle of this. How have you balanced who you showcase, how you showcase it? And is this the plan going forward in season for entire divisions to be a part of it?

[Jason Kelsey]

I would go back. We first talked about doing this five years ago, this show in this format. After we finished all or Nothing and the precursor to in season Hard Knocks, we, we thought the best way to do it was with a full division. And then we had an opportunity to do in season Hard Knocks with a single team, the Colts, three years ago. Okay, you guys were early adopters of that format.

[AJ Hawk]

We talked about it.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, yeah, you were on top of it from day one. The card the Cardinals show, which, you know, was a really difficult one because their season was, was a mess. And then last year the Dolphins made the playoffs. But by that point we knew for sure that that wasn't in our opinion. We just didn't think it was the right format to do an in season show. And the reason is when it goes south, it's just a really difficult situation for everybody involved. And we're not. Nobody wants to watch a show about a team that's enduring that situation when, when, when everything, you know, players are getting hurt, things are falling apart, people might be losing their jobs. That's not, that's not what that shows.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, why don't you have a seat here and tell us about all the shit that stinks right now, please. And in doing that every single week and then you're talking about losing jobs, it's like, hey, tell us about the worst day of your professional career here. That's happening in real time. Five minutes ago, before you talk to your family, obviously tell. By the way.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, by the way, we're not necessarily invited guests. You know, we're. The league has a, you know, a resolution that the owners have voted on that that allows NFL Films to select certain teams under certain conditions to do Hard Knocks. So at the end of all that, we just thought if we're going to do an in season show, we should do a whole division. You're guaranteed to get a winner. You're going to get a hat and T shirt game. You're. You're going to be able to feature rivalries, which is awesome. Like, showing the Steelers playing the Ravens on Hard Knocks was an undeniably cool thing to be able to do. You caught it right away that like showing two teams preparing for each other in a big game, which we saw right out of the gate with Steelers, Bengals, was really freaking cool. And it's not something that you've ever seen before on television, really, in any sport, and certainly not in real time. And when a team goes bad the way, unfortunately, we saw the Steelers season end with five straight losses, we didn't have to dwell on them, and nor should we have because the Bengals had picked themselves up off the mat one five straight. And the Ravens became, you know, a wagon. And we'll see how far they can take it.

[Pat McAfee]

Isn't it amazing how many stories. That's just one division in the NFL. There's so much shit everywhere. Are you. How many years have you been with NFL Films?

[Jason Kelsey]

20. This is my 28th season. I got here in 1997.

[Pat McAfee]

Think about how much the league has changed, man. It's insane. And obviously, Content has changed a lot. You guys have had to adapt all of that. But whenever they talk about the ratings and, like, dominating everything, it's crazy where the NFL has gone and there's so many stories. It's so beautiful. And watching the Ravens here through playoffs is that we're going to do. We're with the Ravens through the playoffs.

[Jason Kelsey]

We're with them as long as they're going.

[Pat McAfee]

How about Steelers? All this shit that's going on right now. Are you still there?

[Jason Kelsey]

We're still there. The cameras are still up in Pittsburgh. We'll be taking them down. I think at the end of this.

[Pat McAfee]

Week, I thought maybe we're doing the whole. Which leads to the. And A.J. i think you were probably going to ask about this. Let's get off. How about the off season? Hard Knocks. Are we doing that again? That Giants one need it. Buddy D. But what's your vote?

[Darius Butler]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

I aq. Your vote?

[Keith Cosrow]

Absolutely.

[Pat McAfee]

Ty? Yeah. Con man. No doubt. Age?

[AJ Hawk]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

100 people. 100 of people surveyed said that it should come.

[Jason Kelsey]

Who? All right, who's calling? All right, Darius, which GMs are you calling? A.J. you take the NFC.

[AJ Hawk]

Braves, New England.

[Connor]

Nope.

[Ty Schmidt]

Can't do it. First time. First time.

[Pat McAfee]

Can't do it.

[Jason Kelsey]

One division. We got to get. We got to find a GM to do it now. We're working on it. We're talking to a lot of teams. We'll see if it happens. We. We loved that show. I think it's one of the best shows we've ever made in our history. And I think we are so grateful to the Giants for taking that. That risk. And obviously, it's been talked about to death. And, you know, it's. It's no fun for them to have to see, you know, those images pop up on their Twitter feeds, I'm sure every day. And it's a bummer for us that, that it turned out the way it did their season, you know, because who knows, you make, you make decisions, you go through a process with a bunch of smart people. You make the best decisions you can under the circumstances. And in their case, they didn't turn out the way they hoped. And yeah, happens in the NFL. It happens.

[Pat McAfee]

It was our first time seeing it though, Keith. That was our first time seeing it. And you know, whenever, whenever the moment where Mara, the owner of the team busks, jeez, it's gonna be hard for me to sleep at night if Saquon goes to the Philadelphia Eagles and they go, no, here's. I'm just letting you know I've been here a long time. We've had a lot of players. He's the most popular one by far. By far. And then he walks out. Now Saquon's got a sleep number ad saying that he's sleeping soundly as a Philadelphia Eagle. And Mara allegedly reached out and said, hey, at least let me be a part of the ad so we can make me make this an entire thing. I think watching Joe Shane decide directly against that whole thing where there is a hard implication coming from ownership, yeah, hey, this is how we want it to go. Now granted, we are all people that we think ownership, if you're not good, get the hell out. And there might be some people that don't want Mara to have hands on there. But as we watch that situation and seen unfold the way it did with Saquon becoming the offensive player of the year for the rival Philadelphia Eagles for not that big of a contract like 100 and something in the entire NFL or whatever it is. It's like I don't know how you get any team to sign up for that ever again. No, I don't. I honestly don't know how you get legitimately. Are there going to be teams like the in season Hard Knocks or the training camp Hard Knocks that will kind of be, I don't say forced to do it, but kind of because that, that's. I don't know if you're getting any GMs to say, yeah, I would like to see that whole thing happen.

[Jason Kelsey]

We updated the, the Hard Knocks resolution last year at the league meetings and that the, the off season show was not contemplated in that updated damn it resolution. I know you like when we use the $3 words magazine.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I love that anytime you talk about at the the meetings too behind closed doors conversations, and there was politicking for this and for that. I understand how the game has to go. There's a lot of money on the line. So you're saying there is a chance we have this back, or are we definitely having it back?

[Jason Kelsey]

There's definitely a chance. We hope it's back. We're talking to a bunch of teams about it, but we'll see what happens. I mean, and we need a willing participant on that one. We're not. We're not going to force someone to do that show.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. And if you got your shit together, I think you should do it because you could sell yourself and your program and your brand as an actual coming off of what happened last time. Can't be worse. Cannot be worse.

[AJ Hawk]

I don't know.

[Jason Kelsey]

Let's. Let's go back a second, though. What did we see? We saw the owner tell his general manager, here's my opinion on what I would like to do, but I hired you to do a job. You make the decision and do the job with all the information that you and your staff compile. So we saw an NFL owner do the thing that all of us as fans ask our. Our favorite owners to do. It didn't work out. We all know that now. But at the time, it was hard to argue with a decision where, you know, you don't really have an offensive line. The quarterback situation's unsettled. You have so many holes to fill. You really want to pay $13 million a year to a running back when you're. You've been doing that with that running back for five years already and not had a lot of success.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Like, we can debate it. And I think, you know, obviously everybody has, and everybody's got an opinion, and it's. Hindsight is really easy in this scenario.

[Pat McAfee]

I got you. Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Because that show was about a process. And I think it's really cool to have been able to make a show about, hey, we're going to start in January and we're going to have an end point after the draft, and you're going to see how a group of people faced with really difficult decisions goes about making those decisions.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And they.

[Jason Kelsey]

And to be able to make that. The people who have talked the most about that show are, like, business executives. Because I don't know that there's ever been a show on television, an unscripted show that showed a process that comprehensively from start to finish.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

And like, I. We're proud that we did it. I think fans responded to it. In real time before they knew it was going to happen. You guys, you know, everybody saw it and was. It was a wow kind of a moment on TV and in our world, in sports tv. And like I said, I think it's amazing that the Giants had the guts to do it.

[Pat McAfee]

Agreed.

[Jason Kelsey]

I think they. I think they should stand behind and they have stood behind the decisions they made. I'm glad they're running it back and giving Joe Shane a chance to. To. To run another draft at another off season. Because I think what we saw is a guy who has a good process and does have a shot of succeeding. It just. There's a lot of luck involved. You guys all know that you're NFL guy.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, a lot of luck. In some places seemingly happen. More luck than others on a regular basis. But us getting a chance to see that for the first time. You talked about the moment in real time. Reaction. It felt like the first training camp hard knocks when it came out. That's how people reacted to the first training camp hard knocks because that was the first time we were getting to see anybody's process. There's obviously fantasy football and there's thoughts and there's documentaries on how things go. But actually getting into the meeting, being in the room where it happens, where decision is being made on what the strategy of the roster construction is going to be. Because in your show he actually said, we got to find out if this quarterback's worth 40 million or not. Like, we have to find that out. And I think that was an actual legitimate thought, like from the entire, hey, we got this guy. We paid this guy. We have to find out if he's a guy or not. Which was a part of the decision that they're making. He's on the Vikings now. He's on a Minnesota Vikings. So they've got their answer. So I assume that's why ownership was like, we wanted to find out if he's a guy. He's not a guy, which is why he potentially ran it back with him. But if you're another GM with the reaction that it was to that, because it was our first time seeing how that shit goes. If you're very confident in your shit and like you have success, I think you should feel very comfortable doing that because people are intrigued by this because we don't know much about it in the local social media. Teams would never put any of this shit out because they wouldn't be allowed to.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah. And to Joe Shane's credit, to Tyrone Tracy Jr. And ended up being an unbelievable Running back, the guy he drafted in like the fifth round.

[Pat McAfee]

And Singletary is moving a little bit too, you know. Well, I know I didn't mention him at the beginning.

[Connor]

I saw it should make the Raiders next year. I know there's like a, hey, first year thing, but like Brady's involvement and everything.

[Pat McAfee]

Like they said, he can't make anybody do it. That's what he said, right? Isn't that what you said? He can't make anybody do it.

[Connor]

Make the Raiders do it. Go talk to Goodell and say, hey, guess what? You guys have stunk for the last 15 years. You're going to do this. What's the worst thing that can happen? Oh, you're going to stink again.

[Pat McAfee]

They don't want to stronghold anybody. That's not how the NFL operates. Right, Keith? That ain't it, but.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, now, if I may, because we had people on your show saying, you know, I talked to the people at NFL Films and they were laughing at these guys. And we've got.

[Pat McAfee]

Who said that?

[Jason Kelsey]

No, nobody here's laughing at anything that happened in New York. We thought they were going through a process.

[Pat McAfee]

Who threw NFL Films on her? They were laughing. I did hear that. Everybody did. Who did it on our show? Everybody did.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, no, we said that was the only time. That was the only time we got a little annoyed. Somebody went on your show and said, oh, the producers of NFL Films.

[Ty Schmidt]

Orlovsky.

[Pat McAfee]

Lombardi. Okay.

[Ty Schmidt]

He's in college now.

[Jason Kelsey]

I think what we created, though, I think the hardest thing, these shows, especially for Hard Knocks and Real Time, is, is meme culture, right? Like, you have a moment, like two weeks ago, Sam Darnold in the locker room, his teammates are all spraying water all over him. And it's the. And Kevin O'Connell's in the corner watching the. Like a proud papa. And it. And it was an incredible scene captured by the Vikings media guys and the NFL Films cameras. Amazing moment, right? And then two weeks later, it's over. You see how it turns out. And, you know, I'm sure a week or two from now we'll see it. It'll be a meme now, right? Like we have a, a culture and it's not anybody's fault. We all live in the same thing. We all, we're all sweet scrolling through our feeds and, and we see the way things become memes. So nobody wants to become that next meme. And unfortunately for the Giants, it happened to them.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, certainly did. And memes are happening at all times. So, you know, it's. It's inevitable for all parties. But if you're getting a look at decision making processes that we've never seen before, obviously you're going to get me, but I just saw what you're talking about. That clip getting memed. What if there is a Lou Holtz sighting at the field? Best boom for the national championship and Lou Holtz hits a home run. What if Lou Holtz hits a home run for four straight quarters? All of a sudden that meme. You got Lou Holtz up on air, you know, with the boys. All. I mean that is, that'll certainly be used a lot on the Internet, I think to hype up things. Yeah. Is Lou Holtz going to be there? Do you know if we.

[Connor]

Once again, there are whispers that he will be there, but he's got a bum left leg right now, so he needs to get that figured out. If his leg feels. He will be in Atlanta.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we know if Lou Holtz can get there, coach Lou Holtz could get there. He will get there. Get there.

[Connor]

Absolutely.

[Darius Butler]

How do you hurt his leg?

[Connor]

He's an old man.

[Ty Schmidt]

Deadlifting cold.

[Pat McAfee]

He's like hooping or so drop step leg press. I believe it was leg pressing.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Nice walk down to Venice beach down there. Muscle Beach. Exactly.

[Ty Schmidt]

Still working it.

[Connor]

Yep.

[Jason Kelsey]

I got, I got one more bone to pick though. Now first of all, Lou Holt should. He can't do. I mean I hope he can keep up with your play by play. McAfee. That was the best play by play call of the year.

[Pat McAfee]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. That was a. I saw a lot of people on Internet saying that.

[Jason Kelsey]

I was just holy moly.

[Pat McAfee]

Awful.

[Jason Kelsey]

Announcings writing articles.

[Pat McAfee]

McAfee positive. That is crazy from them. Legitimately, it's pretty wild for them.

[Jason Kelsey]

They've done a one now on Hard Knocks though. And I want your guys opinion on this because we, I think we talk out of both sides of our mouths on this show. It's if the team, if Hard Knocks is boring, we have a boring training camp. Hard Knocks. Nothing edgy. You know, we're not showing anything. Then it's. These shows are totally dictated and controlled by the teams. It's all propaganda.

[Pat McAfee]

It's.

[Jason Kelsey]

You don't need to watch it.

[Pat McAfee]

It's bullshit.

[Jason Kelsey]

And then when we have a show like the Giants show where it's great, you're seeing incredible shit that you've never seen before and we're actually making groundbreaking television. It's. These teams are so stupid.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[Jason Kelsey]

And so we have certain people in our sports media. Yeah, well, who shall Remain nameless. Certain aggregators and people like that who have constructed a media, a narrative where they can never be wrong.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

You either are an idiot for letting NFL Films in your house shoot this and put it on tv, or NFL Films is just a propaganda machine. And we all know that. And none of what you're seeing is real. And the reality is, is that Hard Knocks is an awesome TV show, and that's why it's been on the air for 25 years.

[Pat McAfee]

Amen.

[Jason Kelsey]

Like any TV show, there are good seasons, there are great seasons, and there are meh seasons. And it's based on, like, one season you have Chad Johnson. One season you have Rex Ryan. This season we have Mike Tomlin and John Harbaugh and, you know, defensive players of the year up and down the line, and Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow.

[Pat McAfee]

And Lamar, and cities and stories and rivalries and train. Yeah, yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's a TV show, and it happens to show more things that you don't get to see anywhere else than any TV show in this business. And it does it in real time. Two days after the game's on.

[Pat McAfee]

Even one day after the game. Remember after Monday night, there was a Bengals clip on a Tuesday night show somehow from the Monday night. And I know how much all Hands on Deck Panic there is day of getting those shows on air, too, because of how much. Especially with four teams. You have four different groups, right. With each individual team, and then those teams all have thousands and hundreds of hours of shit, and then they got to run all it down and then it comes and then. Yeah, we appreciate the amount of work that goes on over there, and I appreciate the fact that you're keeping up with the haters. Yeah, yeah. You know, I mean, 28. 28 seasons in love. It got.

[Jason Kelsey]

Hey, we don't. It's funny. We never talk about. We don't respond. We let, you know, people.

[Pat McAfee]

NFL Films. Could you imagine if NFL Films came in?

[Jason Kelsey]

Please take the high road. This is. I. I've never. Ross and I were talking earlier. I said, I think. I think I need to say something.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I appreciate that you're doing it because we've obviously known you guys for years. Hilarious moments of our, you know, business relationship and personal relationships with all parties involved over there. Hilarious.

[Jason Kelsey]

Some of my favorites. The best.

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe. Maybe some of the best moments I've.

[Jason Kelsey]

Had in the last five years are when McAfee is telling me things in no uncertain terms.

[Pat McAfee]

No uncertain terms. I love the way that's being described. One of our greatest moments in the Thunderdome, I was not happy with NFL films. Okay. I thought we had good partnership go going, let's get on the horn here immediately. And I just, I felt comfortable enough with you guys because you're football people. I think that's another thing that's a big deal. Like a lot of places, not all places, a lot of places hire a social media person or a digital team that isn't football, that aren't football people. They don't know football, they don't love football, they don't live football. So I think they kind of get caught not knowing ball. In certain situations, especially on the Internet, you are all die hard football people. So when I chit chat with you, it does feel like I'm just talking to like, some, like one of the boys.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Like, hey, this can't be happening. And you guys have been so good to us legitimately. And I appreciate the fact that you've remained humans over there, you know, because the NFL is this massive machine. You're in everything. You're in Netflix. You're on. You're on, obviously, hbo. Max, sorry, you got stuff on espn. You got stuff on Amazon.

[Ty Schmidt]

Amazon, you got stuff.

[Pat McAfee]

You. Every streaming platform you guys are doing business with and crushing it. It's like, it's a lot of shit you guys do. And you're talented content creators. If you guys were considered modern age, you're great content creators, I think, personally.

[Jason Kelsey]

Thank you.

[Pat McAfee]

Good work ethic, too. You're not a bunch of lazy punks. You know, I think that's a big deal too.

[Jason Kelsey]

No, the people that are working here right now, and you can see it on their faces and the bags under their eyes right now. Like I said, this is the hardest we've ever worked this month right now. It is. It's not doing this show and have. Look, it's. It is a total privilege for us. To me, we're. We're at NFL Films and we're getting to do something we love.

[Pat McAfee]

And.

[Jason Kelsey]

And we're filmmakers who love football. It's in the title, NFL Films. And we get to document careers like AJ's and yours. And Darius isn't. Darius is here. I saw Darius a few weeks ago.

[Darius Butler]

In the studio every week. Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

It's an amazing.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's really an amazing place. You go downstairs today and. And Coach Belichick's down there with Ryan Clark and Chris Long and Chad doing shooting inside the NFL. And right now, Kelsey's down in the studio rehearsing for Friday night's episode of they Call It Late night. But, you know, already today, what we're figuring out is. Is, you know, in the middle of all that. All right, now we're gonna make a show about the Ravens this week.

[Pat McAfee]

Can't wait to watch. We appreciate the hell out of you, man. You're the best. Thank you for taking time.

[Jason Kelsey]

Hey, love you guys. Thanks for having us.

[Pat McAfee]

We love you, too, man. Keep doing it over there, you know? Keep doing it over here until Ross. He's a good guy.

[Jason Kelsey]

He's the best. We'll see in New Orleans, baby.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah. Super Bowl. I forgot. That's happening. Coming. Oh, yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Less than a month.

[Jason Kelsey]

Two weeks.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

The Rumble.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, you hated them taking super wild card week. Super out of super Wild card weekend.

[Jason Kelsey]

No, they didn't run its course.

[Pat McAfee]

The.

[Ty Schmidt]

Go to hell.

[Pat McAfee]

You're wrong, Keith. Bad way to end this, brother. Yeah. Bad answer.

[Ty Schmidt]

The why?

[Pat McAfee]

Because. Super Bowl. That's why. Super Bowl. There's only one thing super is a bowl, right?

[Connor]

Yeah, but it wasn't just Super Wild Card.

[Pat McAfee]

We can tell you what.

[Connor]

Super Wild card weekend.

[Pat McAfee]

I forgot. There's not three use.

[Connor]

Exactly.

[Ty Schmidt]

And the super bowl is super because it's so massive. Yeah, there was super wild card weekend.

[Pat McAfee]

Super.

[Ty Schmidt]

Because of how super.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Because it's a super experience. Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Nothing super about this wild card weekend, though.

[Pat McAfee]

Jeez. Box commanders commander.

[Jason Kelsey]

That was a great game. Good performances.

[Pat McAfee]

We need. We need.

[Jason Kelsey]

We need four good games this week.

[Pat McAfee]

Performances and crap and not super. These are filmmakers right here, you know, and this guy. And we're lucky that you're doing it for the NFL. You're the man. Ladies and gentlemen, Keith Tossro. Keith Tossro, friend of the program. He's had to do battle for us a couple times.

[Ty Schmidt]

Obviously, good lie.

[Pat McAfee]

Throughout our relationship with the NFL over the last few years, you know, I negotiated the first ever social media rights so we could air their footage on our show on digitally. You know, just strictly digitally, because a lot of networks obviously get digital rights whenever they air games, and then they get daily content for their TV shows, but whenever they post on social media, they would have to put a picture over the footage because they didn't have digital or social media rights to it. Now, I felt obligated because our show is an NFL show, and our show had the presence it had in football when it was just on the Internet, which we are incredibly thankful for, for, and appreciative of. But I felt obligated, like, hey, I'm kind of. I'm using your. I feel like I should pay you for this. I Feel like this should be a working relationship, you know, like, you guys can help us. So we negotiated the deal was the first ever, yada, yada. It was pretty cool. It was pretty cool. Then obviously, you look around the Internet and everybody's just stealing their shit, you know, like literally just stealing their clips, putting it out there. Talking a lot of. Against the NFL, which he was talking about narratives and everything like that. And it's like, I'm not. What are we. And they're like, well, we tried playing Whack a Mole. It's just not possible with how everything's going. So, like, our relationship with the NFL has literally. An NFL film says molded so much. We've been through a lot of things together. They've always been good to us. They've always been good to us. And they care about the NFL, man. They, they, they really.

[AJ Hawk]

They protect the shield a lot.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean, that is like they feel like they are serving the NFL basically. Like, hey, we are here. And that's. The Sables passed it down, obviously, in this entirety. So the best.

[Darius Butler]

They're good to us when it comes to, like the major leagues. Like, if you think about, you know, baseball or basketball, hockey, like the NFL, you can. Like, they had Hank Strom, like, you know, all those years ago, Chiefs JJ said that they matriculating the ball down the field. Like, you look at that, like, the quality on that, the audio, the visual on that. And then obviously all the way up until now, like class of their own.

[Pat McAfee]

It's not crop when they make it, it. No knock her up. They're in a lot. They got their hands in a lot of stuff, though, inside the NFL. They said, is that Tuesday nights now? It was Friday nights. I see the clips. Not sure I see the clips. I mean.

[AJ Hawk]

And they just throw Kelsey's late night show on top of everything. Like, how many do they have to hire? A lot more people. And all these different teams they're covering now.

[Pat McAfee]

And then Bill. Everything Bill does is through.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

The NFL films people. Sure.

[Ty Schmidt]

Sounds like no one's signing up for the.

[AJ Hawk]

Yep.

[Ty Schmidt]

Giant type part.

[Pat McAfee]

Knox, though, said, if you can maybe get the word out there. We're trying. You guys reach out to GMs. You know, bean would be awesome on there up in Buffalo.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, Bean, Veatch.

[Pat McAfee]

They seemingly got their culture already figured out, but I think Bill's fans would be like, we don't need to be telling everybody.

[AJ Hawk]

Look how paranoid everybody is. Most people in the NFL are so paranoid. They don't want any. They don't Want their process out there.

[Pat McAfee]

That might be why Mara gave Shane and Dave another opportunity. Like, hey, you guys didn't really have a chance. I fucked. You had cameras in every fucking room. I mean, that's. The Giants were certainly on display front center for a brand new show, but we look like the worst people on earth. And I assume you guys were acting a little differently potentially because there's a camera ptz pan tilt zoom. I can catch the entire room staring at you as you're about to. All right, I got faith that you're not gonna fucking air me out here. Appreciate. What did they leave off? Oh, great question.

[Ty Schmidt]

I can't imagine.

[AJ Hawk]

I mean when they're having personal conversations, like when you call your wife on the phone, like the camera's still there. I guarantee you it's not going off.

[Pat McAfee]

So getting in the bathroom, because that's like the classic.

[AJ Hawk]

They can at least hear it. I'm sure they could hear it if they have it. Like if a, an exec has a bathroom right off his office, you could at least hear the dump going through the door. Yeah, they, they were blasting music at times. But then in one episode, Dable starts started playing music on his phone and.

[Pat McAfee]

Then NFL Films just like got the.

[AJ Hawk]

Rights and started playing the song.

[Pat McAfee]

So he did really well. Is that right? Check, check.

[Darius Butler]

Good move.

[Pat McAfee]

Check mate. We'll run it. It actually makes the scene much better. Thank you for that. I love that. He said, you know, some of these teams are kind of obligated, mandated to be a part of it. We're not welcomed guests in a lot of these places. Think about just having to talk to all this football old people. Hey, everything you say and do is going to be monitored by somebody in a truck out here. Do your thing, then walking out.

[AQ Shipley]

So true.

[Pat McAfee]

Have you done a hard knocks?

[Keith Cosrow]

I did all or nothing with the.

[Pat McAfee]

Cardinals, which what they were referring to about doing the in season.

[Keith Cosrow]

It's the same thing. And like literally every, like the players are like doing this to the camera. I was like, they don't want, like nobody wants them there.

[Ty Schmidt]

Nobody wants the in season. They didn't either there like the, a few of those teams when, you know, people make comments like, yeah, I mean they have to be there. So.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Keith Cosrow]

And AJ's so right about the paranoid stuff. Like you think about how many times you've been at practice and just like a southwest flight goes over top you.

[Pat McAfee]

And they're like, who's that?

[Keith Cosrow]

They filming?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, helicopter. Are they filming?

[Keith Cosrow]

Who is that?

[Pat McAfee]

Yep.

[AJ Hawk]

Shoot them down.

[Keith Cosrow]

That's what it is.

[Pat McAfee]

Jeez Louise. I don't know about Southwest flights. Coaches, there's certain there's low. Those.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Little Cessna ones.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Helicopter.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Chopper goes overhead. What is that? Hot air balloon.

[Keith Cosrow]

Chiefs, right? Chiefs are definitely filming us there.

[Pat McAfee]

Bill Belichick's using a hot air balloon. We're onto your. Shut the practice down. Let's go on inside. Let's get a roof on this thing. We got eyes overhead, a couple bogeys watching in from another NFL team. Instead, NFL Films goes, we got you. We're gonna film everything. Nobody else will film it. We'll film it. And then they're the only ones that have access to the vault. So, like, they're the ones making a lot of decisions. You know, I think you were going to. Somebody was going to ask about being miked up in those decisions. Whenever he said, we followed your career, to me, I was like, I never was miked up. Was asked one time I said, no chance. Please, no, no, I don't want to. And there's not a lot of players that just want to be mic'd up.

[Keith Cosrow]

So centers have to be either center, quarterback, or center. Yeah, it's for tv.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Keith Cosrow]

Yeah, for sure.

[Pat McAfee]

So you're miked up every time I've talked to you on the sideline. Great. Thanks for doing.

[Keith Cosrow]

It's just automatic.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, of course. So I guess I should remember that in a moment about your life. Well, now you know every center. Not one time.

[Keith Cosrow]

Well, it's not through the team. It's just automatic through the league.

[Ty Schmidt]

It's like, narc.

[Keith Cosrow]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Okay, so great.

[Keith Cosrow]

Think about how many things I've said.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, I know.

[AJ Hawk]

I can imagine. I can imagine.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm not worried. I'm worried. Exactly. That is. That is. That is the thing that everybody says about NFL films is, like, they got everything. They got everything on everybody.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You're miked up and you say, this. This coach sucks.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

This guy.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Imagine they just clip that. Send that to the coach. This general manager. What a doofus. Why is this guy playing?

[AJ Hawk]

How about the coaches that are always miked up in these big games? Now you find out later, like, if I was the coach, I don't think. I don't want to be miked up and, like, have them hear what I'm saying in the locker room and the sidelines? Like, you say some irrational stuff in the heat of competition that you don't. You probably don't mean, but it might sound weird out of context.

[Pat McAfee]

Amen.

[Ty Schmidt]

When the Patriots played the Giants two years ago. Jabril Peppers went up to Saquon and he said, like, because Saquon was miked up, he said, you guys are lucky we're ass this year. And that was a huge deal in New England because of the fact that, like, Jabro Peppers is basically saying, like, yeah, we stink. And people were so pissed that that got out. And if you think about the scale of things, I could be said, like, that's nothing compared compared to what some might be said about, like, a coach or a GM or an owner or something like that.

[Pat McAfee]

The ghost thing with Sam Darnold, that was. Was that Monday Night Football.

[Darius Butler]

They hated that same thing.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, yeah. NFL Films. Because live in real time, NFL Films, there's always an NFL Films representative. Whenever things are happening, whenever, like, deals are getting done or a broadcast is taking place, I assume live in a moment that getting out immediately after, afterwards, like, can we run some by, like, what do we. Yeah, they don't like making people look bad. Now, granted that in season or offseason with the Giants made everybody. I like his cell. They're talking about his process. And in the moment, you can debate whether or not it was a good decision. I. There's people that say it was a good decision. I'm like, it was. We saw. Yeah, I know. He said they didn't like how the inseason ended, but as a fan, I liked watching like. Like, after the Dolphins lost, I was super pissed off. But then you watch that the week.

[Gumpy]

After, and it was like a cool.

[Pat McAfee]

Wrap up of the season. Yeah, they're gonna make magic. Hey, congrats, NFL Films. You did your thing.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Continue to do it.

[Keith Cosrow]

Yeah.

[Connor]

Still bringing it.

[Pat McAfee]

Bringing booms all the time. I love the Lambo. Gets on this show and just pisses off everybody.

[Connor]

He's also at NFL Films with Belichick doing that podcast every week.

[Pat McAfee]

So though Lambo's looking in the back.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm gonna say that. I mean, I mean, seriously, Seriously, you got guys, you got producers laughing every.

[Jason Kelsey]

Every day.

[Pat McAfee]

What do you expect? And then the NFL Films people are like, what? We're not laughing. Let you in the building. We're laughing at something completely different. We're doing a comedy. We're doing a comedy in here in Lombo. So sorry.

[Connor]

Yeah, Filming Late Night with or whatever the Jason Kelsey's late night show is.

[Ty Schmidt]

Called Late Night Live. Right?

[Connor]

They call it Late Night.

[AJ Hawk]

I didn't see the second one. I didn't. I missed the second episode. I saw the first.

[Pat McAfee]

I Saw some clips. I think Kylie was sick. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Bo Allen.

[Keith Cosrow]

Fill it in.

[Pat McAfee]

Bo Legend, right?

[AJ Hawk]

He's a monster. Bo's a monster.

[Pat McAfee]

Absolute legend. Saw some clips. I think I appreciate the, the late night, I do. But I think a lot of people are probably just watching clips of this thing, which is what all late night television kind of became. Late night television has become clips for YouTube. Yep. To live forever. Back in the day, late night was very, very important. I actually wrote a paper and did research on late night television as a whole in college whenever I was interning at Mountaineer Sports Network with Murph. Rest in peace. Absolute legend over there in West Virginia all the way back to Johnny Carson and all the decisions that were made. You know, Conan, Jay lent the whole, the whole thing. All of it. Yeah, I mean I, I really researched it because I thought it was awesome because I remember I wasn't somebody that could fall asleep easy. So I watch late night on a very regular basis. I appreciated the way like Letterman was able to interview and Craig Ferguson was off the cuff, seemingly ripped up the paper and throw it out and everything. I appreciated the zaniness, you know, the entertainment level. The interviews used to actually be like conversations as opposed to scripted Q&As that, you know, lead to absolutely nothing. And the market used to be like, you needed to watch these shows to see certain things. Now with the way social media is kind of just taking over and content is everywhere, it's like they understand that and obviously there's a live audience for it who are going to watch their late night or late late night or whatever it is because they've done it or they're not good sleepers or they're up late at night. But a majority of that is just trying to make clips, just trying to create clips. And I think that's how I'm falling. They call it Late Night with Jason kelsey, but Friday 1am is a tough time slot. It's a tough time slot live, you know, if that's what it is. But I think he always wanted to be a late night show host, which completely makes sense because what late night show used to be. So I respect and appreciate that Jason Kelce's doing it. I think he's a guy that can do it and obviously I assume he's enjoying the out of it because you're doing a lot of that you don't normally do in the football world.

[Ty Schmidt]

Saw it on ESPN plus, like when I went to watch Bruins game, like I saw the tab of to watch Back to watch Back. Yeah. So, like, there's still other ways to.

[Pat McAfee]

Do it, which is also good. Yeah. Watching it back. What's that called? On Demand? Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Like, I don't know if they put it on Disney plus. Like, they should put it there, too.

[Pat McAfee]

It is. I've seen it on there, and I think you put it on his YouTube. Yep, they do. Yeah. So everybody's talking about, like, the live times at 1am it's like, that's a tough. That's gonna be a tough spot to ever get, I think in this modern age. I think that's gonna be a tough spot. But all the other shit. Getting access to it is the only thing that matters. And I've seen clips. I haven't. I enjoy the fact that he's doing it.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, that's like Peyton. Peyton does so much.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

How about the. They're doing a Kick of Destiny.

[Connor]

Yep.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Peyton with a mustache, doing the whole act.

[Ty Schmidt]

They look awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. He'll go all in. They will go all in on some. They're not scared. No.

[AJ Hawk]

What happened last year? Did Gronk make the kick last year?

[Pat McAfee]

I don't think he's made it yet. I don't think he's made it yet.

[AJ Hawk]

What's the one that looked like he made it? When was that? He looked like he made it, but he didn't. That was the first one.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Pickleball out in the middle of the desert, I think. Looked like it was good in it.

[Ty Schmidt]

Then they celebrated.

[Connor]

They did.

[Ty Schmidt]

Everyone went nuts.

[Pat McAfee]

It was five big booms.

[Ty Schmidt]

It was five big booms from the Gronks.

[Pat McAfee]

And then real quick from the opposite side, the refs.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, no.

[Pat McAfee]

I think. Yeah, I missed this one.

[Ty Schmidt]

And Vinnie trained him on.

[Pat McAfee]

Everybody said, though.

[Darius Butler]

He did.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Vinnie was there.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I. Let's go, Gronk. He missed. Eli will make it. I've seen Eli hit a golf ball.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I think he can make the kick.

[Connor]

They should have AJ Bumo kick it.

[Pat McAfee]

Who's that Costco guy? Big Boo.

[Ty Schmidt]

Major, right?

[Connor]

Big boom.

[AJ Hawk]

Big Costco.

[Connor]

They should have him kick it to back.

[Darius Butler]

Is he off aisle?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. He has broken foot. Remember wrestle.

[Connor]

I don't know if he still does. I think he's got Wolverine blood. I think he's pretty quick.

[Pat McAfee]

He.

[Darius Butler]

Of course.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know which one you're talking about. You're talking about the dad of the son.

[Ty Schmidt]

Big. Big Costco.

[Pat McAfee]

Big Costco. Yeah. How's he still bringing it?

[Connor]

Still bringing it.

[Pat McAfee]

He.

[Connor]

I think they need the kind of triangulate and Tighten up the. The cameos that they decide to send to people. But outside of that, I saw that.

[Pat McAfee]

One about the brother.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, yeah.

[Connor]

Yep.

[Ty Schmidt]

Pretty awesome. I. I believe there's a new song.

[Pat McAfee]

Have you seen it?

[Darius Butler]

I didn't see that one.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I don't know if it was. It was family member. I think it was Brother.

[Connor]

It was Brother. Oh, so sorry to hear about your brother who just passed away. He gets five big booms.

[Pat McAfee]

Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

[Connor]

There's your cameo and then that video.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah. A video has been taken and used for other tweets on X. Yeah. So they got a new song coming out today.

[Pat McAfee]

Some of those cameos can't wait today.

[Ty Schmidt]

I believe it's called Still Bringing It. No, no. Breaking the Boom Meter, I think it's called.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, sweet. I can't wait to hear it. I do appreciate that the people on Cameo, I think they should be a little bit more select collective on one day, you know?

[Connor]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

What do you mean?

[Pat McAfee]

Cameo has got people the. Out of context. Yeah, just a little bit more.

[AJ Hawk]

Get a request. I got to do it though. You know, I get a request, they want to do it, I guess.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I've seen too many cameos that I don't think I was. I was supposed to see. And that is. That's part of the problem. Good gimmick, though. Cameo had there for a bit. Are they still bringing it still?

[Connor]

I think they're still bringing.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

What's old buddy's name? That was professional.

[AJ Hawk]

Brian Baumgartner is killing on there still.

[Ty Schmidt]

The lives have definitely hurt them though, because like you can just go on to like a. A live stream and pay them to say something interesting.

[Pat McAfee]

So it's immediate. It's not going through the whole process.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Speaking of live streaming, you see Speed.

[Ty Schmidt]

Did a backflip on the Hand of God.

[AJ Hawk]

Is that real? That was real.

[Pat McAfee]

I think it is with him. With what? That dude is so athletic. He is so athletic.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

It is absurd how athletic that dude is. Just watching him, he's trying different shit. Obviously he's a full setting guy all the time. I'm not full set in the group. He is. We're talking. He's 100 miles an hour all the time. I respect and appreciate it. Do you know how much juice you have to have just to be streamed? Just like sitting there, him and Kai, what they're doing, I think they're the ones that introduced me to it. I assume there's been other video game streamers that have obviously existed, but just Doing life and being street, like, obviously could be green screen, but the amount of people that have posted this, I don't think so. And with how athletic this dude is. Real, I think. Exactly. I believe it's real and they're weapons. But I think there's a lot of people that are gonna be like, I'm gonna be a streamer. It's like, speed is special.

[AJ Hawk]

And then they're gonna fall right off the hand and die. Unfortunately.

[Pat McAfee]

That was that selfie. What was that? The planking thing. Got a lot of people. Remember, there's people planking on die. And then there was the. There was some selfie.

[Keith Cosrow]

Got the top of the building or something, Right.

[Pat McAfee]

What was the other one? The Pokemon.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, Pokemon.

[Pat McAfee]

Gotta catch them all.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

People were walking right off cliffs.

[Ty Schmidt]

Grand Canyon.

[Pat McAfee]

What? Couldn't get them.

[AJ Hawk]

That's on them. That's on them.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, all these things people would say. What would the. What was the Tick Tock? That there was a Tick Tock where people were next to trains or something, which, once again, on train tracks.

[Connor]

Who do you think started that trend? Thank you.

[Pat McAfee]

Tick Tock's over Sunday. We're bringing it up so much. Just like we have been bringing it up for like a couple months because we're saying, hey, somebody's gonna figure this out. Somebody will love money. It's gonna take a while. Give the amount of money it's gonna take. Those. That generation might just blow up.

[AJ Hawk]

But you're buying it from China. Is China gonna actually give total control?

[Pat McAfee]

I think they would have to. Right. To exist. I don't know why.

[AJ Hawk]

Okay. Okay.

[Ty Schmidt]

They'll always have a back door.

[Darius Butler]

It's in the coding.

[Pat McAfee]

What are you saying?

[Ty Schmidt]

Okay.

[AJ Hawk]

I'm just saying. What do you say? If you are. If you're so worried that they're spying and all this stuff, you tell me, hey, you find some guy with $50 billion, some group. China's like, okay, here you go.

[Keith Cosrow]

Here's.

[AJ Hawk]

You have all the keys. We don't have any control of any of it.

[Pat McAfee]

That would be very. That'd be cool.

[Connor]

Then it would be.

[Pat McAfee]

That's good business.

[AJ Hawk]

That'd be nice. That seems like they would do that.

[Ty Schmidt]

China does that.

[Pat McAfee]

That.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

What are you saying? There's no answers? No. Is that what you guys are saying?

[Ty Schmidt]

I'm saying TikTok is gone and I'm pumped. It's not talk.

[Darius Butler]

How many users?

[Pat McAfee]

What?

[AQ Shipley]

Not.

[Ty Schmidt]

Not talk. Tick tock.

[Pat McAfee]

All right. You're saying potential. What? It's what it's doing on behind the Scenes.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

Not all the people that are on TikTok. Oh, no, not our beloved.

[Ty Schmidt]

No, not our beloved. Talk of Fairfield Stack alumni. I'm saying more so what it could be doing.

[Darius Butler]

It's in black and white.

[Connor]

Look at that.

[Pat McAfee]

Look at that.

[Keith Cosrow]

Black and white.

[Ty Schmidt]

Change the hands.

[Pat McAfee]

Midnight memorialize.

[Darius Butler]

I don't know, five big R booms.

[Connor]

Yeah, exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, boom. All right, boom. All right, boom. All right, boom. All right, boom. Resting boobs.

[Darius Butler]

Resting boobs.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, reals. Let's get it going. Let's get it going. Reals need ya. Remember back in the day when everybody was a social media expert? If you had. If you actually have a longer video like this, you take up more space on a timeline, it's more likely that they'll stop and watch your video. So instead of the square, kind of make the more longer one. If you could do that, that'll actually work. And my only answer was, can all these platforms just fucking get together and. And say we need one dim for all of it? Like, no, that's what makes it special. And I'm okay. Thank you so much. Speaking of special, all year we've been able to ride alongside a super offensive line brain as we were judging the top five offensive lines each week. Not over their work as a whole, just the performance from the previous weekend. Then there was a top 5o lines of the entire season. And congratulations to the Philadelphia Eagles offensive line. It wasn't the trenchy, the long hair trenchy.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's right, the coolest one.

[Pat McAfee]

And now we will go to the official power rankings of the authority on offensive line play. Let's go to the OG in the trenches power rankings of all the offensive lines still left in the NFL playoffs. Hey, Kush, can you break down this power rankings for us, please?

[Ty Schmidt]

Absolutely.

[Keith Cosrow]

We will start with the worst of the remaining teams. That is the Houston Texans, top eight.

[Pat McAfee]

Team in the NFL.

[Keith Cosrow]

Yes, they are. But the Houston Texans have been running the ball not because of their offensive line, but because the running back is damn good in spite of their offensive line.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so the Texans obviously number eight. Then you got the commanders. That's a big win they just got.

[Keith Cosrow]

Against the Bucks big win. They had 30 yards rushing. Now, some of that might have to do with the fact that the Bucks defensive line pretty damn good, but this has been a trend the last half of the season and they've gotten away from running the football. Sam Cosme, right guard, pretty good player, struggled a little bit the last couple weeks of pass protection. I'm a little worried about the old commanders against the line.

[Pat McAfee]

Los Angeles Rams come in at six. The Puka said he messed up that play. That that whole thing happened was that the determiner was that particular play for the offensive line because Puka said it was on him, not the big boys.

[Keith Cosrow]

Yeah, that was not on the left tackle. Puka definitely took out half the line. But that's okay. The Rams actually have been playing better. They, they typically only run one scheme and it's duo. So you're getting two yards and a cloud of dust almost every single play.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so let's go to number five. They're back to back super bowl champion Chiefs offensive line getting some love. Wow.

[Keith Cosrow]

Yeah, they're, they're, they're there because of their interior 3. Now granted tuni moves out the left tackle, but I love Tuni. I love Creed Humphrey, I love Trey Smith. They got Tuni out the left tackle. Concerns me a little bit. They got Taylor at right tackle. Don't love the tackles. I think that is going to be their kryptonite like it was in 2020.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, number four ranked offensive line here as we head into the division round. The Buffalo Bills offensive line. That's what we're talking about.

[Ty Schmidt]

The Buffalo Bills.

[Keith Cosrow]

I think we got some clips of these final four. The Buffalo Bills. Here's what I love about them. Dion Dawkins. We talk about him. Their whole offensive line pretty damn good. The reason they became great this year. Spencer Brown. Let's take a look at the right tack. We're learning from Dion Dawkins. We talked about the chop. Boom, boom throw his ass on the ground. Opens up great pass protection down the field. You get the big chunk play.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. You need to be able to protect if you want to get the explosive, which is the determining stat on this particular season. Seemingly Josh Allen can huck it everywhere if you give him the time. Obviously the Beatles offensive line able to do that.

[Keith Cosrow]

Fewest sacks allowed. That's why I wanted to showcase a.

[Pat McAfee]

Pass protection rep instead of a run because you've judged everybody else on the run game. Okay, let's go to the number three offensive line remaining. You love this group. The Baltimore Ravens. Baltimore.

[Keith Cosrow]

Baltimore Ravens. We got another clip here. You're going to take a look. You got Derrick Henry in the Wildcat. You got likely lined up to his left. And then we're going to send Lamar Jackson in motion. You'll see it whenever Lamar goes in motion. DB over the top. There he goes. Just vacated a space. Derrick Henry in the open field. Stiff arm on Minka. Get the out of here. Keep it moving.

[Pat McAfee]

Jeez. That's tough for the Pittsburgh Steelers fans to watch time and time again, but the run game is such a vital part of this Baltimore Ravens offense. Lamar is able to spin it, too. So if you run well and you move bodies, they have to respect it. Put bodies in the box and then what a Q?

[Keith Cosrow]

You run it at them?

[Pat McAfee]

No, you throw the ball outside.

[Keith Cosrow]

You run it at them.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, well, that's.

[Keith Cosrow]

We want to keep running the ball.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And that's what the Ravens need to do going forward. But the run game has helped lamar, I think throwing 177 his best 300 yards running, though.

[Keith Cosrow]

I just keep running.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, number two offensive line remaining in the divisional round.

[Keith Cosrow]

The Detroit Lions with a first round bye. They come in at number number two. And we pulled a clip from earlier in the season. Love this play against.

[Pat McAfee]

All right.

[Keith Cosrow]

The Indianapolis Colts.

[Pat McAfee]

We got a zone play to the left.

[Ty Schmidt]

I love it.

[Keith Cosrow]

We got condensed splits over here. You're going to send St. Brown back across as a decoy. It holds the safety just enough and you can run a truck through that big gaping hole.

[Pat McAfee]

They were the number one offensive line a lot of different weeks before in the trenches. They were number one at the end of the season, though, you know, rack. Now the center's playing with a torn tit. Yeah. Unbelievable.

[Ty Schmidt]

Pen as dog dog freak.

[Pat McAfee]

They've built through the offensive line. Jared Goff obviously reaping the benefit. And then the number one offensive line is the same number offensive line that was the number one all year. The Philadelphia Eagles. How come?

[Keith Cosrow]

Because they're so good across the board. Literally from left tackle to right tackle, they are so good. They got Pro bowlers and all pros almost everywhere. Replaced in all pro center with another pro bowl center. So I mean, they just got everybody clicking up front. And when you look at this clip, this was the. The final clip.

[Pat McAfee]

Who's filming this? What is going on with the Connor Stallion? I'm getting.

[Keith Cosrow]

Check this play out.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, here we go.

[Keith Cosrow]

Yeah, as we get. We're gonna get there.

[Pat McAfee]

No motion.

[Keith Cosrow]

Sick is shaking in the middle.

[Pat McAfee]

J.

[Keith Cosrow]

Fox shaking in the middle of seat.

[Pat McAfee]

But check.

[Keith Cosrow]

So this play right here, right. So if we go back to the beginning real quick, if we can. This is the play that we saw where he slid down and ended the game. But this play, the reason why I want to show this, this is what they love to do. They go two tights and they're going to go lead. So you're going to pull the backside guard you're going to pull the backside wrapper and he's going to kick out, wrap.

[Pat McAfee]

Boom.

[Keith Cosrow]

And then this is the hole. If you guys recall the two 70 yard runs that he hit against the Rams earlier in the season. Exact same play. That's their bread and butter, okay?

[Pat McAfee]

They got a bread and butter and they're able to be dominating every single week. Congrats to the Philadelphia Eagles offensive line being the number one offensive line remaining and also the number one offensive line in the entire league this season in AQ Shipley's eyes. Now let's go to your top eight power ranking teams. Okay? And bang. At number eight is the Commanders. Number one is the Ravens. Number six is the Eagles. What is that all about? What is that all about? Obviously Ravens number one team left in AQ's eyes. Then the Lions, Bills, Chiefs, the back to back super bowl champs at four, Rams, Eagles at six. Even though they're number one offensive line, I thought that's how we decide games. And then number seven, Texans and number eight, the Commanders. Why are the Eagles at six even though the offensive line.

[Keith Cosrow]

So you look at the Ravens, the Lions, the Bills and the Chiefs, they were basically in that exact order. 2, 3, 4, 5. And then obviously Eagles were at number one. The reason I have the Eagles at number one is because offensive coordinator and quarterback, they are number six. I'm sorry, they are not on the same page. And so when I look at this, I don't think that whenever Jalen hurts and this offensive coordinator and Kellen Moore have to win a game throwing the ball, I don't think their past schemes are consistent enough and I do not think the coordinator is calling enough consistent plays for them to win it. Because in the playoffs you can't just run the ball, run the ball, run the ball. You're going to have to win it with the quarterback at some point. And I think that is why. And by the way, they're playing against a rams team with McVay who's going to come into town with a hell of a game plan. He's going to control the clock on offense, keep this offense off the field and they're going to need to make plays and that is why I have them there.

[Pat McAfee]

They got a great defensive line even though the Eagles offensive line is fantastic. We just saw the Rams D line young and hungry and I heard they bark every time they get in the facility from Pukinakua today. That's quite a fall from grace there for the Eagles. From the offensive line to the team that they're remaining commanders. Number eight. You're saying they shouldn't beat the bucks or you're just saying it's a tough spot to be them in the Texans tough spot.

[Keith Cosrow]

I mean they're seven. I mean seven eight between Texans commanders. It's just. I mean now the commanders got to go play the Lions.

[Ty Schmidt]

Good luck.

[Pat McAfee]

Congratulations. All these teams in the final eight.

[Keith Cosrow]

I do think, I do think the winner of that Ravens Bills team goes to the super bowl out of the afc.

[Pat McAfee]

Wow. No longer a three peat on the desk.

[Keith Cosrow]

I do not see it.

[Ty Schmidt]

I sure hope so.

[Pat McAfee]

Why? Because you don't want them to do something that the Patriots weren't able to do.

[Ty Schmidt]

You nailed it.

[Pat McAfee]

I like selfish reason.

[Ty Schmidt]

Well, I mean three in five years.

[Pat McAfee]

What are you saying?

[Darius Butler]

I like witnessing history.

[Pat McAfee]

Me too.

[AJ Hawk]

Me too. Me too.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't mind greatness.

[Ty Schmidt]

What? Wouldn't hate seeing it. I would just prefer, you know, one of those other four teams to win. I think it'd be cool.

[Keith Cosrow]

What is your guys thoughts on me putting the Eagles at 6?

[Pat McAfee]

I thought that was like quite a shot at exactly what you said. Because if you think the offensive line is number one and you say it's all pros across the board, literally all season the conversation has been whoever has the best offensive line is going to win the game. That's kind of how it's been. And then you drop them. Not to two, not to three, not four, not five, to number six. You're basically saying offense, line, win the goddamn whole thing, but everything else needs to figure out. That's what I thought it was going to be.

[Keith Cosrow]

That's exactly where I went.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that was. That was a shocker. That wasn't it.

[AJ Hawk]

Whenever we saw these graphics, Dano, does it go. Does that go in with what Dano said? That he doesn't blame the receivers for not getting open? He blames what Jalen and the coordinator.

[Keith Cosrow]

I think that's a lot to do with it. I think when you watch the film, that's the thing that jumps out at you. And I'm also playing into the fact that The Rams and McVeigh are coming to town and McVeigh is an absolute genius. You give him two weeks to prepare. He definitely was preparing for this matchup as he rested the starters in week 18.

[Pat McAfee]

How about, how about the Philadelphia Eagles fans though? Yeah, I'm ready for a Super Bowl.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Keith Cosrow]

The fans are awesome. The fans are awesome. Their offensive line is awesome. The running back is awesome.

[Darius Butler]

The receivers, defense.

[Ty Schmidt]

Fans aren't.

[Keith Cosrow]

Defense is unbelievable.

[Pat McAfee]

There's one particular fan who no longer has a job where I heard about that as well. Jason. We.

[Ty Schmidt]

Jeez Louise, that's bad mojo.

[Connor]

Big Dom took care of him.

[Pat McAfee]

He did. Then he found out who he was. Removed his employment from the place of work and his guts from the lady. A bunch of Packer stuff.

[Connor]

Right. Removed his heart from his chest, too.

[Pat McAfee]

I didn't know Big Dom did that in 2025. There's a chance.

[Darius Butler]

Allegedly.

[Pat McAfee]

Think about that guy. How many times in his life is he. Oh, so many.

[Connor]

So many.

[Pat McAfee]

That's just like that guy. What is he, Baltimore Ravens fan?

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Just start knocking people. I never lose.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

It's like, Jesus Christ. How many. How many times does this guy just.

[Keith Cosrow]

Put people to sleep?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Now he's going to jail. I think he's going to jail. 10 years.

[Connor]

A long time.

[Pat McAfee]

Jail, Jail.

[Darius Butler]

He better still be bringing it in jail.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, he said he never loses. I think he's going to get tested. Records up for grab.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

He'll get some reps.

[Pat McAfee]

He certainly will. All right. Speaking of record reps, all season, we've gotten smarter on the defensive side of the ball. With a man who co hosts every single Monday through Wednesday, he's also on the sideline during the field pass with us. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for everything db, good D, bad D out of regular ass Wild card weekend with Darius Butler.

[Darius Butler]

Here we go. Here we go. So my four favorite plays from super Wild.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, I like that. We're back weekend. These are super plays.

[Darius Butler]

Good plays.

[Pat McAfee]

Four good ones.

[Darius Butler]

And then we got one bad D on here as well. First one, Derek Stingley Jr. Made the All Everything DB team. This is him. Quarters coverage across the back. You see the umbrella and just watch him at the bottom of the screen. Double move. He takes a double move on top of it, gets his head back. Just like last week when I showed some plays. Never panics with the ball in the air. And that's big for a cornerback. I love corners that kind of turn into the receiver, peaks, fills the receiver, head back, boom, goes up and gets it. This was one of his two interceptions. The second one was a tip. This one was kind of an under throw. But he's in great position. I don't care where this ball was thrown. 24 was making a play on it. And his running mate, Kamari Lasseter, on the other side. In college, he only had one interception. I think I heard on the call. So rarely do guys that aren't ball hawks in college become ball hawks in the NFL. But he's been tremendous at getting his hands on the football. Here you see Justin Herbert rolling out to his right, throwing across his body to Quentin Johnson. And he goes up, keeps his leverage. Yeah, keeps his leverage. So he's outside. Leverage, fake post corner. Keeps his leverage in phase, gets his head back, goes up high point. Stash the ball out.

[AJ Hawk]

The teach tape right there.

[Pat McAfee]

That's a combine drill.

[Darius Butler]

Teach tape, getting it. So obviously he did the tough part. And then finishing that play, creating that Turnover. One of four interceptions.

[Pat McAfee]

J.J. watts talking about that defense. He's, like, very excited. You can see he's, like, very excited to talk about them. Both corners seem to be locked down. If you can. If you got that, you're in a great spot.

[Darius Butler]

That helps tremendously, especially with the guys up front getting after the quarterback where they won't be comfortable. Potentially, the only way they can win this game against the Chiefs is getting after Patrick Mahomes, exposing whoever's replacing Tooney inside, and then maybe Tony on the outside.

[Pat McAfee]

Could you imagine the Chiefs?

[Darius Butler]

Oh, it's got to get.

[Ty Schmidt]

I couldn't actually lose to the Texans.

[Darius Butler]

I can't, can't, can't see it.

[Ty Schmidt]

I cannot.

[Pat McAfee]

Did you watch that clip right there?

[Ty Schmidt]

It was awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

Awesome.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean, that was. That was.

[Ty Schmidt]

It was awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

And then Stingley is just so natural. Just give me the ball.

[Darius Butler]

And their pass rush.

[Pat McAfee]

Very talented. Dico brings it. Yes.

[Darius Butler]

The offensive line is crap.

[Connor]

Absolutely stinks.

[Ty Schmidt]

Just a little bit of a line.

[Darius Butler]

Stinks.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

A little bit of a difference.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah. Defensively, tremendous.

[Ty Schmidt]

So with those Chiefs.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, you're. You're talking about just Andy Reid. Yeah, the whole thing.

[Ty Schmidt]

Talking about Pat Mahomes here.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Talking about Travis Kelsey. Yeah. Somebody was stopping by the program the other day. Very kind of.

[Ty Schmidt]

That was almost also d hop revenge game. Just thought of that.

[Pat McAfee]

Definitely.

[Ty Schmidt]

Chiefs against the Texans.

[Pat McAfee]

Bag of balls. Is that what it was?

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And over to the Chargers.

[Ty Schmidt]

David.

[Pat McAfee]

I knew they needed a washing machine. I called him up. Jackie Moon. He needs to be. You know, he's doing elf. Yeah, he's doing the elf. He needs to just be Jackie Moon in every NBA game. The NBA should be paying him. They should to just go and just go to games. Ratings are down. Well, there's a chance Jackie Moon plays tonight.

[Ty Schmidt]

How about that?

[Pat McAfee]

Free corn dogs.

[Ty Schmidt]

I go to every Pacer skate.

[Darius Butler]

Good idea.

[Pat McAfee]

We lose to the Cavaliers last night. I don't know if you.

[Ty Schmidt]

It's gonna happen.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Especially without Tyrese. He'll be Hallibact. Right?

[Ty Schmidt]

Exactly. I wouldn't Be worried about it to the playoffs.

[Pat McAfee]

Basically your hot team. Speaking of hot, let's go to some more. Good D on everything DB from Darius Baller.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, speaking of hot team, hot defense. Philadelphia Eagles great. Another great cornerback tandem here. You got Quinion Mitchell down to the bottom. Quintana Mo Bay been locking up as a rookie. And then the old head triple og Big play. Slay on the other side. This is a Teach Taylor rep. Just got a straight takeoff route. Straight goal ball here. He's in position off corner, little double move. Sits, gets his head around.

[Keith Cosrow]

Boop.

[Darius Butler]

Falls right in his number two. This is called leaning and locating. You see it here. Boom. Settles the feet, get back, feels it, wakes it a little on top end phase. You see that little arm grab there? That little left arm grab. Joust, Boom. Little joust. Get away with it. Boom. Catch it. That's a tough catch to make. Olehead is still doing it at a high, high level. Slay is playing at a high level. Mitchell's playing at a high level. Cooper DeJean, all these guys on that back end are tied in. They did lose Nakobe Dean, which kind of showed some bad tackling. Kind of showed up on tape once he left the game. So I'm interested to see who replaces him. Where they put young Trotter in there or forgot the guy who actually created the caused the fumble and opening kickoff, he may replace him as well.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so is this your standard cover through here?

[Darius Butler]

This is no. So down here. So down at the bottom. So down at the bottom is some type of zone coverage. I'm not sure what the zone coverage is. But up top he is locked on. So pretty much man to man, if you. Right before the snap, love motions that guy. So if you pause it here, now you got a four by one. So a lot of times when you have zone coverages in the offense, Dan O. Was talking about the four by one when they overload that side. A lot of times on the backside, you just lock that corner up. So regardless of what the other 10 guys are doing down here at the bottom of the screen, Slay just on an island with Wicks. So it's just one on one and they're doing some type of zone coverage down here.

[Pat McAfee]

What a play.

[Darius Butler]

Great play.

[Ty Schmidt]

Perfect.

[Darius Butler]

Great play. Great position.

[Pat McAfee]

And also, Jordan love my guy. One on one. Let's go ahead and throw it up.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Connor]

Fourth receiving option. Throwing him an awful lot. An awful lot. And I like Don Tavian Wicks, but.

[Pat McAfee]

What about Bo Melton? How was he?

[Connor]

Yeah, same difference. Let's go get a couple guys. Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

What you guys need? What? Weapons?

[Connor]

Yeah, let's maybe get Tucker Craft a.

[Pat McAfee]

Little bit more involved from the Green Bay Packers. You guys need weapons? I didn't know. What are you talking about?

[Connor]

No.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Connor]

I mean, you got guys dropping like flies and, you know, in the playoffs, we can't be throwing the guys who, you know, were just called up from the practice squad. You just can't. You can't beat the Eagles that way. You think Coop De Jean's gonna get burned by one of those guys? Absolutely not.

[Pat McAfee]

All that speed on that guy. Absolutely. And Blankenship, you think he's gonna get out smart?

[Connor]

Exactly. He was. He was sticking. Moving out there. He was. He was.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, who else do we have on everything?

[Darius Butler]

Those two guys on the all. Everything DB watch list for next year.

[Pat McAfee]

Really?

[Darius Butler]

Preseason watch, early preseason watch list.

[Pat McAfee]

Put them on the watch.

[Darius Butler]

No, no, no, no.

[Pat McAfee]

Just watch list.

[Darius Butler]

You know, I don't see color. I just see numbers.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, there's an absence of one, though, there for those.

[Darius Butler]

All right, here we go. Third and seven. We got Chris Shula's young defense. LA Rams right here. Obviously had Sam Darnold in hell all afternoon. See Kobe Durant following Jordan Addison over in motion. And this is a great, great rep. Obviously, pressure up front, but bad throw inside, but he did a great job. If you run it back one more time, actually, you can see it from this. This copy. So this, this safety, he's going to drop in, insert, take away that in cut from Justin Jefferson. You got a crosser from Naylor who comes open, but because of that pressure, he never gets back to him. Bad throw, I think bad ball placement, but a great job by the young corner. Durant to get his. He actually opened his hips inside and planted his foot, got back. Addis is not an easy cover. Getting the coverage right and then once again, picking that ball off. Great play.

[Pat McAfee]

Are the Rams the real deal, huh? Is he today? I think so.

[Ty Schmidt]

And Darnold?

[Pat McAfee]

What's that?

[Darius Butler]

They had a rough outing. You did. You called. You called.

[Ty Schmidt]

Darnold might be just like, hey, Kevin O'Connell's a really good coach.

[Pat McAfee]

What are your thoughts on Sam Darnold?

[Keith Cosrow]

I think Dan nailed it when he said it earlier. He's just. He's not gonna win you the game.

[Pat McAfee]

Jeez, I didn't expect that to go that way.

[Keith Cosrow]

I think he's.

[Pat McAfee]

I think he's.

[Keith Cosrow]

Geno Smith.

[Pat McAfee]

Jaz gonna win. Ain't the Orange bowl champion. I don't know if he's Geno Smith.

[Darius Butler]

Wow.

[Pat McAfee]

I think Sam Darnold turn into a pumpkin. And guess what happens when you turn into a pumpkin? You don't come back. I n sec I. Yeah, I got killed.

[Darius Butler]

You got.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's not do the Orlovsky and blame everybody else. When we've been pumping up Darnold all year about how great he is.

[Ty Schmidt]

Have you heard the radio call from the Vikings guy, Paul Allen?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I have not.

[Ty Schmidt]

It is hilarious. Screaming at Darnold to get rid of the ball over and over again.

[Pat McAfee]

He is a great play by. He also blamed Jay Glazer for the loss. So he didn't blame Jay Glazer. He blamed whoever told Jay glazer that Kevin O'Connell was potentially going to get trade traded. On the day of the Detroit Lions number one NFC seed game matchup Sunday Night Football, he said that. Whoever decided to leak that or say that to Jay Glazer, shame on you, I think is his actual words. Shame on you for doing that. Because there was people I was there that were like, wondering, like, is Kevin O'Connell gonna get. Is he fully committed? Is everybody all in? He did bring that up in his post. I think he hosts a radio show in town. Paul Allen on the pa, on the mic. I listened to that clip and he was like, shame on whoever the fuck decided that on the biggest Sunday of this team's life, somebody needs to know that the head coach might be getting the fuck out of town after this. Shame on you. Whoever it was that, like, I can see how you say that. I would also see how Kevin O'Connell had no idea that was potentially going to happen. And maybe an agent was like, yeah, I think. I think it's about time we remember here that there's a contract due for somebody that's just like classic Chess on how this whole thing works.

[Darius Butler]

I was shocked.

[Pat McAfee]

Me too.

[Darius Butler]

That he was even going into the final year. I would have just assumed, oh, we locked this guy up for another five years, 20, 30 after last year.

[Pat McAfee]

And I think his agent was thinking the same thing. Like, what are we even. What are we even doing here? With that being said, I could. I just expected the players wouldn't care. But the way he was talking was like. It was a real. There's a real talking piece about it.

[AJ Hawk]

All players would be okay.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what I'm saying. I didn't think the players cared either.

[Ty Schmidt]

You know, excuse, trade.

[Pat McAfee]

When I heard that, all I thought to myself was, wow, Kevin O'Connell's tradable. It's. I Wonder who's all going to be interested in Kevin O'Connell. That's. And then looked up his contract. Find out it's up. It's like, okay, that's good business. I didn't even think one time it could be a distraction until Paul Allen said that on the show. And it's like maybe he was there. We were not age, I guess.

[AJ Hawk]

I mean, they know that their head coach was going to be there for the remainder of the season. They knew he was. They weren't going to take him in two days.

[Pat McAfee]

What if Kevin O'Connell did the ultimate leverage play? I'm holding up tonight's game.

[Ty Schmidt]

Good luck.

[Keith Cosrow]

Show up to the Lions game.

[Darius Butler]

Enjoy the game.

[Pat McAfee]

Show up. Don't put a hoodie on.

[Connor]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Don't put the headset on.

[Ty Schmidt]

Seeds.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm not putting it on. Sunglasses, maybe. Justin Jefferson sunglasses.

[Ty Schmidt]

Huge chain.

[Pat McAfee]

Huge chain. Yeah. Walking around not talking to anybody. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Interesting call.

[Pat McAfee]

You want to get a deal done or not? You want to coach tonight or not? I don't think that's what he was doing. No. But it was a nice reminder that he has his deals up. Yeah, they need to pay that guy.

[AJ Hawk]

Give him a six year deal.

[Pat McAfee]

That makes everybody one look, maybe a tenure.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Feels like he got it right with him. Feels like he got it right with him. Will they be able to win a Super bowl, though? Can you win a Super bowl winner? Find out.

[Ty Schmidt]

I'm with Darnold.

[Pat McAfee]

Jeez. What about that offensive line?

[Keith Cosrow]

Well, you saw, I wrote it earlier. They need a lot of upgrades on the offensive line in Minnesota.

[Ty Schmidt]

Which D got hurt.

[Keith Cosrow]

That just even speaks even more volumes as to why Kevin O'Connell deserves to be paid.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, but also Sam Donald maybe shouldn't be judged as hard.

[Keith Cosrow]

Yeah, agree. But you can't hold on to the ball like that. You can't take nine sacks.

[Pat McAfee]

Take nine sacks.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You guys are letting up nine guys corkscrewing in the.

[Keith Cosrow]

I mean, there was numerous times when he was getting sacked at five seconds.

[Pat McAfee]

What is the five seconds? How come that stat's not. Never talked about?

[Keith Cosrow]

It should be. It's just all blamed on the offensive line.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Look at this guy get turned around.

[Keith Cosrow]

I mean, how many times have I called you a mil?

[Pat McAfee]

What are they talking about? Yeah, that's how this whole thing started, because Dan Orlovsky was doing a breakdown on how this was an offensive lineman's fault. And AQ said, you know how dumb Dano sounds on TV right now, And I'm not watching TV at the time. So he had to explain to me. Then I watched it back and he watched along with me. Let's watch this together. Then he explained how the center actually. Because it's on the left hash, he's looking over his center. The linebacker is off to his left, shaded to his left. So he actually doesn't count in the protection to the right. Dan doesn't know that though. Dan doesn't know that at all. Yeah, you want. You would like offense lineman to stop getting blamed.

[Keith Cosrow]

They get blamed for everything. And it's like so many times that like in for. For instance against the. Or the Vikings game the other night, Sam Darnold legitimately is standing in the pocket and Hitch. Hitch trying to step up, move back like some point, throw the ball away.

[Connor]

Let's got to protect him. They got to give him more time.

[Pat McAfee]

For the play to develop.

[Darius Butler]

He was seeing ghost.

[Keith Cosrow]

Throw the ball away.

[Gumpy]

He was throws all.

[Pat McAfee]

How about when his eyes.

[Keith Cosrow]

When he showed his eyes the one.

[Ty Schmidt]

Time he was just like this.

[Pat McAfee]

Where am I?

[Darius Butler]

They were bringing. They were dialing some up dude. Like it was. It wasn't simple. Like it was only rushing four most of the time, sometimes five. But for Sam, he felt like it was 13 motherfuckers rushing him.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm happy to hear that. We still have massive question marks with the Minnesota Vikings offense and at head coach, I guess. Are they going to get a deal done or not?

[Jason Kelsey]

I don't know.

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe. All right, let's go to the last everything db, good D, bad D, Darius J. Butler.

[Darius Butler]

What last play. And this is unfortunately, you know, best cornerback in the league right now. Patrick Certain. Sometimes you have bad ones. And once again, another four by one situation, this one in man to man coverage. You'll see him and Riley Moss kind of communicating on who's on who. He's on. Holland said if you pause it here. So there's a little mix up. And now he is in bad leverage. Just how Joe Brady and Josh Allen drew it up. Got Curtis Samuel running across the field, away from his leverage, hits them in stride and then hits the brakes on them. You never want that as DBs, you want to be able to tackle them so that you can defend every blade of grass. We saw this in the Texas Ohio State game. Like, you get a guy down, you get it first and goal on a one. You just got to be able to roll the ball out there and say, hey, we got to defend the bow up, keep him out of the end zone. So you got to get him on the ground. Even when you give up a big play. But this play started with communication. If you just line up Samuel Gintz, Patrick Certain, nine times out of 10, certain is going to win that rep. But when you add in the formation, the motion, the communication, the. The hesitation of being in the wrong leverage, you get big plays like this. So great job from Joe Brady. Calling up, dialing up, and then obviously Josh Allen executing and making the throw.

[Pat McAfee]

Hell yeah. Congrats to all the DBs all season that were on everything DB, good D and sorry to all the DBs that were on bad D. But you're going to get got. You just got to get yours more. You get got those. Shout out to Marshawn lynch. And shout out to you, Darius. Great work. You too, aq. All right, we're gonna get the hell out of here on this glorious W Wednesday. We can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this for a living. Remember, Monday night, we'll be on a sideline for the national championship. Another field pass, the last field pass as Notre Dame takes on the Ohio State Buckeyes. Then, obviously, we got massive divisional round ahead. We got a lot of to talk about, and we'll do more of it tomorrow. Don, why don't you come out of Hammer? Don? Don joins. Join the squad here.

[Ty Schmidt]

Get on out of here.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, today's show was so electrifying, actually. It blew out the lower left quadrant of the back wall.

[Connor]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

Wow.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, nice.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it is nice. It's a good thing, not a bad thing. We love this type of stuff. Too much electricity blows the panel. That's what we're looking to do every single day. And we can't thank you enough for allowing us to do it for a living. From all of us to all of you, you're the best. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change their life. We're in this thing together. Team on me. Thank you for traveling out of your aq.

[Keith Cosrow]

Thanks for having me.

[Pat McAfee]

Great work, db.

[Darius Butler]

You too, Pat.

[Pat McAfee]

Team on three. One, two, three. Team. Goodbye.