PMS 2.0 1278 - Michael Lombardi, Aaron Rodgers, Dan Orlovsky, Coach Chuck Pagano, & AJ Hawk

Summary

The Pat McAfee Show – Episode PMS 2.0 1278 Guests: Michael Lombardi, Aaron Rodgers, Dan Orlovsky, Coach Chuck Pagano, AJ Hawk
Release Date: January 16, 2025

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1. Michael Lombardi Interview: Defending North Carolina Tar Heels Against Belichick Rumors

Host Pat McAfee kicks off the episode by addressing ongoing rumors about legendary NFL coach Bill Belichick potentially returning to the league and his current position with the North Carolina Tar Heels. Lombardi openly refutes these speculations, emphasizing the program's commitment and stability.

Pat McAfee (00:00):
"Michael Lombardi, the general manager of the North Carolina Tar Heels, has been vocal in denying any attempts by Bill Belichick to return to the NFL. Lombardi attributes this strong defense to the Tar Heels' strategic advantage in recruitment and program building."

Michael Lombardi (22:49):
"We're a different model than a lot of teams. Our head coach runs the entire program, and everything flows through his office. We're building a pro-like personnel department here, ensuring that our recruiting and team-building processes are top-notch."

Lombardi highlights the proactive steps taken by North Carolina, including hiring experienced personnel like former New England strength coach Moses, and establishing a robust recruitment system that mirrors professional organizations. This strategic approach, Lombardi asserts, positions the Tar Heels uniquely in the competitive college football landscape.

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2. Aaron Rodgers: Exploring Future Opportunities and the NFL Quarterback Market

In the second hour, Aaron Rodgers makes an appearance to discuss his future in the NFL amidst speculations about his potential departure from the New York Jets.

Pat McAfee (02:19):
"Aaron Rodgers is open to various opportunities next year. Whether he returns to the Jets or becomes a free agent will significantly impact the quarterback market."

AJ Hawk (04:25):
"If Rodgers doesn't return to the Jets, he could enter a market with multiple teams vying for quarterback talent, but the pool may be limited with few college QBs deemed NFL-ready."

The discussion delves into the depth of the quarterback market, comparing Rodgers' situation to other seasoned QBs like Baker Mayfield, Sam Donald, and emerging talents such as Shedeur Jalen Milton and Will Howard. Emphasis is placed on the challenges and uncertainties Rodgers faces in securing his next NFL role.

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3. Spotlight on College Quarterbacks: Will Howard and Riley Leonard

Dan Orlovsky and AJ Hawk pivot the conversation towards standout college quarterbacks, focusing on Will Howard and Riley Leonard.

AJ Hawk (05:05):
"Will Howard has been under the radar despite his impressive stats and leadership on the field. His performance in the national championship showcases his potential to be drafted in the fourth round."

Chuck Pagano (09:21):
"Will Howard's ability to read defenses and execute plays reflects a high football IQ and character, essential traits for transitioning to the NFL."

The trio discusses Howard's strengths, including his arm accuracy and decision-making, juxtaposed against criticisms regarding his performances in high-pressure situations. Similarly, Riley Leonard's consistent play and leadership qualities are lauded, painting a promising picture for his NFL prospects.

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4. Coaching Insights with Chuck Pagano

Coach Chuck Pagano provides seasoned perspectives on the intricacies of NFL and college football coaching dynamics.

Chuck Pagano (09:21):
"Leadership and football IQ are paramount when evaluating quarterbacks. It's not just about throwing; it's about understanding the game and rallying the team."

Pagano emphasizes the importance of building a cohesive coaching staff and the challenges of recruiting talented personnel that align with the program's vision. He also touches on the strategic aspects of game management and player development, offering invaluable insights to aspiring coaches and football enthusiasts alike.

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5. NFL and College Game Highlights: Predictions and Picks

The show transitions into sports betting territory with Chuck Pagano sharing his predictions for the upcoming NFL games.

Chuck Pagano (177:53):
"For the Texans vs. Chiefs game, I'm taking the Texans with an eight-point spread. Their defense, led by Daniel Hunter and Will Anderson, can disrupt the Chiefs' offense significantly."

Pat McAfee (179:42):
"Chuck's confident pick reflects the strength of the Texans' defensive lineup and their potential to challenge even top-tier teams like the Chiefs."

Additionally, Pagano shares his thoughts on the Lions vs. Commanders matchup, favoring the Commanders despite the Lions' robust rushing offense. His analytical approach delves into team strengths, key player performances, and strategic advantages, providing listeners with well-rounded predictions.

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6. Southern California Fires: Impact and Personal Reflections

The conversation takes a somber turn as Pat McAfee and Aaron Rodgers discuss the devastating fires in Southern California.

Aaron Rodgers (72:13):
"The loss of homes and lives in Southern California is heartbreaking. The resilience and heroic efforts of firefighters and community members shine through in these challenging times."

Rodgers shares personal anecdotes about friends affected by the fires and commends the frontline workers battling the blazes. The discussion underscores the importance of community support and the ongoing challenges faced by those rebuilding after such disasters.

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7. Interactive Segments and Personal Stories

Throughout the episode, the hosts engage in lighthearted interactions, including a playful giveaway where Chuck Pagano attempts to throw a football into a hoop for a chance to win cash prizes for listeners.

Pat McAfee (206:18):
"Chuck Pagano, try to make that throw and win $500 for 30 lucky listeners. Show us your skills!"

Despite the humorous attempts and technical hiccups, the segment adds a fun and engaging element to the show, fostering a sense of community among listeners.

Additionally, personal stories and banter about popular culture, like Miles Teller's acting roles and Pat McAfee's experiences with language barriers in Japan, provide relatable and entertaining content for the audience.

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8. Closing Remarks and Upcoming Highlights

As the episode wraps up, Pat McAfee previews the next day's national championship game between Ohio State and Notre Dame, setting the stage for another exhilarating week in football.

Pat McAfee (60:06):
"Get ready for Monday Night's national championship. We'll be live in Atlanta, covering all the action and bringing you the insights you won't find anywhere else."

The hosts encourage listeners to stay tuned for more in-depth analyses, interviews, and entertaining segments as the football season reaches its peak, promising one-of-a-kind entertainment that blends insider expertise with relatable humor.

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Notable Quotes:

• Pat McAfee (00:00):
  "Michael Lombardi has been great as a podcast host and author because he has a lot of thoughts, a lot of opinions, a lot of knowledge."

• Chuck Pagano (09:21):
  "You don't want to make a mistake on the quarterback position. Look at football IQ and character."

• Aaron Rodgers (72:13):
  "The resilience and heroic efforts of firefighters and community members shine through in these challenging times."

• Chuck Pagano (177:53):
  "The Texans' defense can disrupt the Chiefs' offense significantly."

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This episode of The Pat McAfee Show masterfully intertwines high-stakes football discussions with personal narratives and interactive fun, delivering a rich and engaging experience for both seasoned fans and newcomers alike.

Transcript

[Pat McAfee]

Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome. On this Aaron Rodgers. Thursday, January 16, 2025. This program starts now. Football is wonderful. We'll be talking to Aaron in the second hour. We'll be talking to the general manager of the North Carolina Tar Heel football team, Michael Lombardi, who's been a topic of conversation in football, obviously, because he's been refuting basically every single narrative that Bill Belichick is trying to get back to the NFL, even though he's currently the head coach, the North Carolina Tar Heroes, where Lombo is the general manager. I think the reason why Lombo is so aggressively open against it is because there's probably a lot of college teams that are utilizing Bill Belichick's going to the NFL Bill Belichick's going to the NFL as a recruiting advantage against North Carolina. So as they're trying to build their team through the transfer portal and put everything together down there in North Carolina. Oh, anybody seeing reports all over the place is that Bill Belichick's trying to get to the NFL. Bill Belichick's trying to get to the NFL. That will certainly be used against North Carolina. Whenever you're recruiting somebody and all you need is a good class, you get a good class, you can flip it in entire program, which is exactly what Bill and Lombo are trying to do down there in North Carolina. I think it's logical for people to expect Bill Belichick to be like, okay, I'm done with the college thing. I went to a couple high schools, I did some negotiating with 17 year olds. I've been talking to 50 different agents and managers. And now the college world, what it is, I could be done with that and go back to the NFL, especially with the job openings and what people are looking for this coaching cycle seemingly versus other coaching cycles of the past. So it's all very believable. These were reports that are being thrown out there. We'll ask Lombo his thoughts on it in about 20 minutes or so. I cannot wait to chat with him. Yes, I love conversating with Lombo. I had no idea until yesterday he stirred some shit at NFL Films whenever he was on our show. That is Longbow Football. He is wide open. He has been great as a podcast host, as an author, as a live show host, as a daily newsletter writer, because he has a lot of thoughts, a lot of opinions, a lot of knowledge, and also a lot of experience in football, more so than anybody that's talking shit about him on a regular basis. So I can't wait to hear what he has to say in about 20 minutes. And then Aaron Rodgers, obviously Southern California native, everything that's going on with the fire, I believe he had to evacuate. We'll catch up with that with him. And then also what's he doing? Yeah, what's he doing next year?

[AJ Hawk]

Who knows?

[Pat McAfee]

What are his thoughts next year? There's a lot of conversations because remember, he's open to anything attached to nothing I believe is the exact quote. And there's a lot of ifs that have been put into place for him to have to answer questions. If he wants to come back to play, if the New York jets want him back, if that is going to be the case, then maybe he plays for the New York jets next year. If he wants to come back to play, if the jets don't want him back, then all of a sudden he's part of the QB market where there's going to be seven different spots allegedly that are going to be looking for a quarterback and then there's only a few college guys that they're saying are NFL ready or NFL caliber quarterbacks coming through the draft. And then you've got a lot of maybe that second third chapter free agent quarterback just like we saw the, you know, the resurgence of the renaissance man, Baker Mayfield down there and then Sam Donald, who we thought, okay, 45, $50 million a year, maybe with his second coming over there in Minnesota, he'll be a free agent. Russell Wilson will be back on the market. Kirk Cousins potentially will be back on the market, although all signs are leading to that being the case. And then if you look at Drew Locke, Daniel Jones, Jimmy G, I mean that's all. These are all the names that are going to be out there. Seven jobs potentially open, maybe more, maybe less. We shall see. And then you look at the college guys, everybody's talking about Shedeur, Jalen Milroe, Quinn, yours, Cam Ward. Nobody's talking about Will Howard except for us. And I didn't talk about Will Howard all year. I didn't talk about Will Howard last year when he was the Big 12 player of the year at Kansas State and went to overtime against his Texas team as a Kansas State Wildcat. And what he has done and with these eyes, with these eyes, what I've seen him do, how he has led, how he's. And he hasn't even ran that much this year in his Chip Kelly offense because they don't need it because all the weapons they have on the outside. Kansas State, he was running all over the place. 632-40632, 40. And he obviously has weapons service. That's a bucket. I mean, he just dropped the right in to a bucket. He's able to read defenses, make the right. That's a ball. That's an NFL throw right there. And also something we got to see that not everybody else gets to see. I saw this guy coming out of the tunnel. We're talking about. We're talking about. Oh, yeah, moxie here.

[Chuck Pagano]

Swag.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we're talking about a little bit of, you know, gump. We're talking.

[Boston Connor]

He's got some gut sacks, had a.

[Pat McAfee]

Shiesty on whenever he's playing against Tennessee. Obviously, no sleeves. It's like, I like this guy. I like him a lot. One half of the hammer died. Cowboys AP tone, you said you did a mock draft. You picked him up in the fourth round. They're talking about this quarterback draft class not being great and then they're not mentioning this guy's name. Doesn't make sense to me. But you did your mock draft, got him in the fourth round. I think Mel Kuiper's projected him to be in the fourth round. I am baffled by that, especially with what he's been doing on the biggest stages that you can get in college ball in the history of college ball throughout these 12 team playoffs.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, personally, I. I drafted him today in the fourth round for the Pittsburgh Steelers on PFF's mock draft.

[Pat McAfee]

Congratulations. I think that's steel.

[Ty Schmidt]

I thought it was the steal, too, but it turns out, judging by the replies, he's a very, very polarizing figure. On the Internet, it was either, hey, that's a great pick, or this guy's the worst human being of all time. I don't know why Will Howard so polarizing? Maybe just because he plays for Ohio State. I think he's a good quarterback. I think he's the potential to be a great quarterback based off of, you know, arm strength, highs, sorry, size, height, all those intangibles that you talk about. And he's a leader. Like we've talked about it. He is a. When he got the concussion, not concussion against Michigan and was just sprinting up and down the sideline. This guy's got a bit of pizzazz to him as well.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And the concussion against Michigan, potentially. Why? I mean, that's. You talk about their season and what is the downfall? Well, obviously he has that situation against Oregon. Okay, so hold that against him. Then they lose to Michigan. Okay, hold that against him. How do you respond in the biggest moment. Oh, you choke. You choke. Against Oregon, he choked. The guy couldn't execute in the highest pressure. Has he now? In these different situations, I think Will Howard deserves a lot more respect. Let's go to the toxic table at Boss of Connor and at Ty Schmidt. Great to see you boys. You boys have seen him live in it. This is just like when you see Drake May. Yeah, you see Drake May and it's like, wow, that babyface. You don't think, especially with how he moves, you don't think how big he is. Then we run into him in a hotel during college game day, whenever we had North Carolina game, and I'm looking like this at this guy. I'm like, I did not know. I did not know it was built like this. And then Will Howard, same exact. I mean, you're looking up at Will Howard. He's a massive strapping lad. It's a wild time. But he's got his team in the national championship. Riley Leonard hasn't been talked about as a guy, and I think it's strictly because of his arm and how he throws and everything like that. He's not the only quarterback in the history of college that hasn't had the greatest arm coming out. It's just like. Feels like a couple guys haven't been talked about. Feels like the draft class as a whole has been talked about as being shite, which I don't think is fair because who knows who's going to be good? Who knows who's going to be terrible. I mean, there's top five picks at quarterback position who stink, and then there's guys199. It's like, how do you know who's good? Well, the way they throw it, it's like the only thing that matters is in here, brother. This is the only thing that matters at that position. Have to be able to make throws. Have to be able to do it. But how's the work ethic? How's the leadership? How's the football love? And then how can you dissect defenses and how can you show up in the biggest moments? I think Riley Leonard and Will Howard at this point have showed up in the biggest of moments thus far. Obviously, another opportunity on Monday night in the national championship. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

And they can both move, which is awesome. I feel like you have to have that going into the NFL now, especially at the quarterback position. But when you talk about the biggest moments, like also some of the biggest teams, like Tennessee, the big takeaway when we watched them all year was like, their defense Flies around, they play hard and they hit. Yeah. And they dominated Tennessee and granted at home in the cold, I mean that's.

[Pat McAfee]

A strike right there. That is a strike right there.

[AJ Hawk]

Absolute seed. And there's some of those all over the place. And look who he's playing against. Oregon. Okay. The best team all season. One of the best offenses and defenses that they probably went against all year. And he's leading that team against, you know, the best offense and defense. So I assume he has a, you know, a say in getting the team ready as far as pre game, getting the boys hyped up. And then of course the last game, like Texas was one of the bigger best teams that we all saw.

[Pat McAfee]

Very expensive. A lot of pros.

[AJ Hawk]

A lot of pros on that team. A lot of money gone into that team. You know, you talk about, you know, the teams that benefited from everyone talking about Ohio State spending 20 million. Texas is one of those teams because they probably spent upwards if not more than 20 million to get the guys to retain.

[Pat McAfee]

Everybody that's left has spent at least 20 million.

[AJ Hawk]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

And that was probably goes back one round. And I think we just didn't know that everybody was, was going to be able to do that. Not everybody is able to do that. The teams that are though certainly going to have quite an advantage. They are, you're seeing them around right now. April 8 ruling. We'll see how that goes. Joining us here is a man who's an absolute legend, not only on these parts, but the entire football landscape for sure. 36 years in football, 18 in college, 18 in the NFL. Ladies and gentlemen, Coach Pagona.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, coach.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey Coach, you just heard us break down Will Howard. I think you've been watching games alongside of us for these college football playoffs and then you're watching those highlights. I see you saying that looks like it. That looks like. Why do you think he's not being chatted about? And what do you think it takes for a college quarterback to be great in the NFL?

[Chuck Pagano]

Well, when you were talking about him this morning, I went and pulled up on my iPad, you said hey, check him out. So I went and watched that Oregon game. Did he miss a pass? What was his completion percentage?

[Boston Connor]

No, he was great.

[AJ Hawk]

High.

[Chuck Pagano]

I mean because all those throws are spot on. They're all runners balls, they're not behind.

[Pat McAfee]

It's four degrees out here, more snow than we could have fathom here.

[Chuck Pagano]

It's not as flying into Sarajevo.

[Pat McAfee]

There is nothing.

[Chuck Pagano]

Or Green Bay, whatever.

[Pat McAfee]

Or Minnesota, any of the cold ass Indianapolis not normally A snow place because it's so windy, you know, so normally it's a trap snow. It's thin snow. You're not snowball.

[Boston Connor]

Wintry mix.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. It's only quick in, quick out. You normally. You're able to see just grass. It's only frozen that you don't normally see. Snow's been sticking around this year and cold as shite. So I hope you're able to battle through today with your voice.

[Chuck Pagano]

No, we're good. We're good. So he met. So this looks like another Big Ben, right? So if there's. There's still going to be a handful of, you know, offensive systems like golf in Detroit right now with. With. With Ben Johnson, right. That want a pocket passer, want a big tall. Like, is this guy when you stood next to him.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes.

[Chuck Pagano]

Does he look like Andrew? Like, big, strong, physical.

[Pat McAfee]

2, 4.

[Chuck Pagano]

So he's got all the metrics. It looks like he can process and he can read a defense because he knows where to go with the ball. He throws. He throws a pretty ball. He's a good enough athlete to get out of trouble.

[Pat McAfee]

Watch this, watch this. Watch him celebrate with the boys. Ah, ah, ah.

[Chuck Pagano]

And. And to me, that's the biggest thing. Like, so we've made a ton of mistakes on quarterbacks over the year, everybody, right? But the one thing you don't want to make a mistake on is, is the football iq, the football character. So who's the guy that steps in a huddle where, like, all of his teammates, like, you can tell, you can go to a game, you can go to a practice, and you can just watch the body language and you can watch his teammates around him, how they respond to him.

[Pat McAfee]

Isn't it like, is he a guy that's got it? Is he a guy?

[Chuck Pagano]

So everybody says it. So you go to those practices, you go to those games, and you can see it, like, the way his teammates respond and the way they rally around him and how he, you know, celebrates with his teammate. Like, you can see a guy like, guys like, they score a touchdown, like, nobody's around him or he goes by him. Like that guy said nobody wants to his partner. Nobody want. No. Yeah, nobody. So it looks like he has it.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I think so. And from getting. I mean, as he was doing that celebration, he literally just was staring through my soul because I do believe I picked against them in that particular game. You picked.

[Ty Schmidt]

This sucks.

[Pat McAfee]

I picked one of them last week. Yeah. So basically he was looking over at us, though, and it's like he has a handshake with all his teammates, all of them. He's brand new and he's played so much football. He has played five years now of football at a very. I mean, it's a lot of plays. So people talking like, why was Bo Nix able to succeed so much? It's like he played a lot of.

[Chuck Pagano]

Football, 60 starts, a lot of football.

[Pat McAfee]

Accurate too. He was able to complete a lot of passes. You just talked about that. CJ Stroud. Why was CJ Stroud so. Played a lot of football. Jaden Daniels, a lot of football. Like, this dude has played a lot of college ball. I'm not saying that's going to be an abnormal thing going forward because I think a lot more people are sticking around because nil money's more than rookie a year money. Even though second year money, third year money, fourth year money, second contract money are in a stratosphere that no nil will able to ever be able to get to. So you're kind of delaying your path to that. But you're certainly getting paid a lot more money than you probably would your rookie season as a salary. So I think it's going to keep guys in playing more football. But it's like, I think this guy's special right here. I think this dude is a. I think he's a guy. And the fact that I think the draft process, because they're put him in the fourth round, I think he's going to have to go through the combine. He's going to have to grind it out. Like, he's going to have to do very well. That's a big day for him. I think his pro day is going to have to be a big day. I think his interviews are going to have to go very well. You know, some quarterbacks at this stage, especially with the amount of success that he has had, certainly with what his team is having now, even though Riley Leonard on the other side's like, I play law football too. Yeah. What do we. I'm a. I'm elite. My guys love me.

[Chuck Pagano]

Duke, what happened?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, Duke and Notre Dame, it's like they're thinking the same exact thing. I think this year, this draft process, we're going to have to see these guys improve themselves. And it's first time we've seen that in a long time. It's quarterback position. Ty.

[Boston Connor]

Well, and we'll see. I mean, like everything obviously changes. If he goes to the combine and runs like a 4, 7 or like a 4, 6, 5, you know, then I feel like that's one of those things where it's like, oh, okay, maybe he's much more athletic than, than we thought he is.

[Pat McAfee]

But do you think because the Chip Kelly offense, he hasn't been moving much?

[Boston Connor]

I think so.

[Pat McAfee]

They say big mayonnaise.

[Boston Connor]

Exactly. This guy's moving exactly at the speed of nothing. We've talked about it a little bit. Like, he definitely gets, gets dinged for being at Ohio State and for them having as much talent as they had. But like, look at when he was at Kansas State. Like he, there was a couple guys that went to the NFL, but he, he wasn't playing with, you know, the type of roster he is now. And you still have to like Ohio. It's not like, I mean, granted Ohio State brought him in and he was going to be the starter, but you still have to earn that. And when you're playing around a bunch of other five stars, for him to be like the de facto, like we've seen him doing these games, like, like the way he is on the sideline, his energy. And it's not just with the offense, it's with the defense. We saw the way he was, you know, getting in Jack Sawyer's face and pumping him up after the, the scoop and score for the touchdown. Like, I think that's also very impressive and that's something that gets discounted a little bit. Like it is his first year at Ohio State, you know, and there's no guarantee that he would come in and just immediately get his teammates respect and love and admiration. Especially when they had the kind of season that they did where, you know, the sky was falling after Michigan, they lose to the, like, you know, they lose the Oregon game, like him kind of being level headed and keeping and saying, hey, everything's still out, out in front of us. That's massive. And then for him to come out and play his best football of the season, like, I, I think no matter what, I think he is a lot better. We personally, after seeing him live in person the last several weeks, it's like, what's going on here? But I think no matter what, he's made himself a lot of money in.

[Pat McAfee]

This playoff, I think, and well deserved. And to your point about the sky falling after that Michigan loss. Oh yeah. His teammates all paid a lot of money, all five stars thinking, man, we wasted this year with this guy.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, you could turn on him legit.

[Pat McAfee]

But instead they didn't and obviously could have turned on Ryan Day. They didn't. They kind of stuck together and rallied whenever the outside. Certainly lost a lot of hope in what was possible for them. I love this dude. And Riley, too. Like, after that Northern Illinois game, he obviously wrote about it in the Players Tribune about having to get a cop, take him home and where he was. He went late in the indoor facility because how depressed he was felt he let down Notre Dame and how they've responded and followed behind him. I like the fact that these two quarterbacks in a position that they're in, that they're going to have to go prove it not only on Monday night, but going into the NFL. I think you have something about the draft process.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Like those two you talked about proving it. Those two are both going to the Senior bowl so that we'll both. We'll see both of them there at the Senior Bowl. We're also going to see Jackson Dart, Dylan Gabriel and Jalen Milro all at the Senior Bowl. So it's like one of those years where these guys do have to go out and prove them, prove themselves. So we're not going to see these guys sitting out, not throwing at things. We're going to see them a lot over the next few months before the.

[AJ Hawk]

Draft, which will kind of inevitably help them. Like, they're not going to go to a terrible situation. Like if these potentially. Potentially, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Like there's a chance on this draft process and I'm picking Will Howard. But let's say it's somebody else, Somebody in the interviews.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, sure.

[Pat McAfee]

There's going to be some coaches like, hey, are we going to let somebody else feel the same way we feel about this person? And that's quarterback position. That's when you see movement to potentially get drafted. But to your point, if it stays how it stays, right now, it's like you potentially get drafted second, third round.

[AJ Hawk]

To a good team, 20 even, even end of the first round, like, if we're talking about the Steelers as a team looking for a quarterback, like, that'd be a great situation to go to. And you can say whatever you want about the Steelers, but, like, they have a great defense and that would be a good football town to end up in, no matter what you want to say about the Steelers. Tone. But still, any of those teams that might be QB needy, you know, and I wouldn't throw the jets in there just because of all the things that have happened with the jets and kind of what it's surrounding.

[Pat McAfee]

And we don't know what's happened with.

[AJ Hawk]

Aaron and we don't know what's happening with Aaron yet. But like you talk about a team with you Know, a good defense, a great running back, a great wide receiver. Like there are situations out there where if you're a quarterback, like one of these guys who isn't regarded as one of the top five picks, top 10 picks in the draft, that you could end up in a great situation and set up to succeed in the NFL.

[Pat McAfee]

You've been a part of the draft process a lot more than I have on the inside. Is there a chance somebody like, really impresses and they move up, especially at the quarterback position. That's the most important position in the NFL. A team will certainly use a first rounder on a quarterback that they hope and think will be something special. How much movement can happen during that draft process for a guy like Will or Riley or any of these guys that aren't being Jaylen Melro even. Who, who are. What is the draft process like and how much can people move?

[Chuck Pagano]

I think there a bunch happen, especially after, you know, you go through, you know, all star games, you go through the combine and then you start, you know, the interview process and then you have 30, 30s. So I think once these guys figure out who these guys are. So I don't know what the knock is on Will Howard. I don't know why he's sitting there as a potential fourth rounder. If there's something off the field. Tone, you mentioned he's got that baby face.

[Pat McAfee]

He looks too young. He's going to get carded if he buys beers for the boys.

[Chuck Pagano]

Well, we've had some young looking, you know, people come into these programs and do okay, you know, just because of that. But, but, but, yeah, there's, there's. I mean, because it only takes one, right? Beauty's in the eye of the beholder, so it only takes one. So, yes, things can change. The kid can come in, he can just totally knock the socks off of everybody in your organization, even on, on a top 30, like, okay, wow, this guy. And then soon as they get the breakdown and, and listen to him dissect the film, I'm sure like Sean Payton when he went and did Bo and he knew beyond a shadow of a doubt, okay, this is the next human that I want to work with. He's got like, because of this and you hear about how complex that offense is and just the play calling and that Bo doesn't even have, doesn't do a risk. He memorizes every, like Andrew, he's 35 years old. Andrew did that.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Chuck Pagano]

And these play calls go from this wall to that wall.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Chuck Pagano]

And there's like 10,000 on a play sheet. You see these play sheets, right?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Chuck Pagano]

I have no idea how they do.

[Pat McAfee]

Just that defensive side of the ball the entire time.

[Chuck Pagano]

I don't know how these quarterbacks do it, but that. Okay, now identify the defense to who? Who's the mic? What's the protection going to be? Oh, I have motion too. Okay, bring this guy and then bring this one and then snap the ball. Remember the snap count. Oh yeah. What's it on? So I just called this. What are we on? Okay, we're on two. Okay, good, cool. And then, and then snap the ball. And then, and then all the guys are doing all this and then figure out. Okay, it was cover two that they were.

[Pat McAfee]

I told the story of Andrew Luck showing up first day delayed spring because he had to graduate to be a engineer or something like architect. Yeah. Architectural engineer. Yeah, an engineer.

[Chuck Pagano]

Build as big old. There were several degrees, I think.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, they're all of them happening. So like Stanford real school. So they weren't like, no, you can't do this. Like just wrap this up and then you can go to OTAs. So he was late to OTAs. It was like a week and a half.

[Chuck Pagano]

Just a lot.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it was like a week and a half. Two weeks of OTAs, which is a lot of on field stuff. But his first day there, he made a check that was at the end of the playbook and nobody else had it. Like the offensive line had no fucking idea what he was talking about. Wide receivers had no idea what he was talking about. And this is like his first day in the building. So he's like, check, check, check. Goes to something. Everybody like looks at him. What is that? And then Bruce Arians has to him and say, we don't know, we're not there yet, you son of a bit. Like the whole, the whole thing like that. And that was like his introduction to the team. And I think that was when we were all like, oh, okay. Like this is the.

[Chuck Pagano]

Yeah, yeah, it's 100 level for everybody but him. He was already on 500 and what.

[Pat McAfee]

Looking up at him. Big son of a. Yeah, yeah, Avatar.

[AJ Hawk]

And that's what kind of happened last year with Atlanta. Like you could throw panics in there. And granted, Panics Penix was considered a first round pick, but like no one, I think he was plus 2000 to go to Atlanta at 8 or 9, wherever he went. And like that's a team who fell in love with the guy. Like they paid Kirk Cousins 100 million guarantee. But they were like, hey, we Love this kid. So why would we pass on a quarterback that we love when we know, like, Kirk Cousins isn't a 10 year.

[Pat McAfee]

12 year option and nobody outside the building either knows. The mentalist knew it was possible to kind of put a wrap on this particular conversation. Before we bring in the general manager of the North Carolina Tar Heels football team, here's Will Howard talking about. Nobody talking about him. You know, I try, I try not to, but it does seep in a little bit. You know, obviously, you know, people say things and, you know, it feels like I just keep getting, you know, nobody really wants to give me a, you know, give me any, any credit, but, you know, I love that, you know, keep it, keep it coming, man. As much motivation as I can get, I'm going to take. And, you know, I love, I love people challenging me and, you know, challenging this team because it keeps that chip on our shoulder and keeps that edge. And when we play like that, when we play like, you know, a little pissed off and, you know, have a little, little chip on our shoulder, I think that's good for us. Okay, so that's Will Howard chit chat about loving it and listening to it and hearing it. Everybody hears everything these days. We have found that out. Yeah, we have found that out.

[AJ Hawk]

Hard not to, certainly.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Whenever we run into somebody that we just so happen to potentially crack a joke about.

[AJ Hawk]

Vice versa.

[Chuck Pagano]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And also. Yeah, we are joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who has heard at NFL Films, he's heard around the league, he's heard on the Internet, he's heard on live air, he's read in books and heard in TED Talks. And now he's general manager of a college football team down there in beautiful North Carolina. For the Tar Heels, ladies and gentlemen, Michael Lombardi. Yeah.

[Michael Lombardi]

What's up, guys? How are we doing today?

[Pat McAfee]

Paison, how you doing down there in North Carolina? Still doing color college football, huh?

[Michael Lombardi]

We are doing good. We're out recruiting. Everybody's on the road. Coach Belichick is on the road. He's in D.C. today, in spite of all the stories trying to say that he's not working in here and contract all that. Coach is on the road recruiting. He's in Baltimore. He's in actually D.C. today, he'll be in Baltimore tomorrow. And we're trying to get some players to become Tar Heels. We're excited.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so let's talk about all of this because there's so many different layers to this. Other teams that are recruiting the same guys that you guys Are recruiting. Are. Are definitely using these reports against you guys, I assume, in recruiting, which is why you have been so loud and adamant about the fact that you guys are committed to the North Carolina football team. Is that an accurate assessment on the situation?

[Michael Lombardi]

Yeah. I mean, I'm loud because I think so many of them, especially the one that keeps going on, is being generated by someone who doesn't like our program, doesn't like me, or like Coach Belichick, and refuses to allow it to go. It's. Parcells used to say to me all the time, quit kicking the horse. He's already dead. Well, they keep kicking something that doesn't exist, you know, and so it's click for their website, which is wonderful. And then they take shots at us as individuals. But look, somebody has to stand up for our program. Right? And somebody has to be able to put their voice into the program. Everyone says, well, why isn't Bill speaking out? Bill doesn't speak out. That's what I'm supposed to do as the general manager here, is to let people know what's going on with our program. He's not going anywhere. You know, contracts are very complicated, and I think if you understand the North Carolina system, it is a state institution. It takes a while to get things done. There's a lot of hurdles to go through, but we're all getting paid. I haven't signed my contract yet, Pat. I mean, so this is just a complete story that people want to run with. I've said this many times. I was with Bill every day in the office during the fall. We talked about every single NFL job that could open up. And every time I would bring one up with hopes that he would be interested, he shot it down. He's where he wants to be. And I know it's hard to get it through some of these thick people's heads that he wants to be somewhere else. Like this is where he wants to be. And I am not just a spokesman, but I'm telling you exactly how it is.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, I think it's a believable narrative. Especially it's what you hear from all the older coaches in college ball about how miserable it is having to do college football. But what Bill was pitching to us was basically like, hey, it's pro football now. This is actually in our wheelhouse, more so than it's ever been, probably. Right?

[Michael Lombardi]

Yeah. I don't have an owner that's going to come down here and tell me what to do. I don't have an owner's son who's Going to tell me we need to look at pro football focus more often. I don't have any of that. Right.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't have that.

[Michael Lombardi]

I can watch tape. I can look at players. We can recruit.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean, it's.

[Michael Lombardi]

It's really the perfect. And he can build his program and he can impact young men more. The future and for today. And if you want to be a pro player and you want to understand what a pro organization looks like, here we are. All this nonsense. Well, they haven't hired any coaches and the ACC is nervous. Oh, they're nervous, all right.

[Pat McAfee]

We hired.

[Michael Lombardi]

I hired a whole personnel department over here. They're wine and tape. We built a whole pro organization with a pro grading system, and they're all over there grinding tape. And then we've hired coaches as we go along. I don't understand how people can keep generating a story that has no story to it.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so you've agreed to terms, right? You've agreed to terms on a contract, you and Bill both with the North Carolina. That has to get approved by a lot of different parties. So we kind of got that figured out. College ball isn't more miserable for you guys. You actually see it the opposite way because you don't have to deal with a looming billionaire who has different ideas recruiting. He's on the road right now. Doesn't hate it at all. Actually likes it.

[Michael Lombardi]

No, loves it. I mean, he really enjoys it. And the reception's been wonderful. You know, it's been really good. He goes out there, he meets all the kids. And then we've been able to put some off Scott offers. We haven't been. We've kind of got. We came in here behind. You know, we need to build a draft board or a high school board. We need to build a portal board. And we're trying to do it on a line item basis, which is difficult. But we will find smart, tough, dependable kids that want to be a part of a pro program. There's plenty of them out there.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so that jot that one off. We're checking a lot of these boxes here. That would make sense on why Bill would want to go. You haven't got a complete coaching staff yet, but you have an entire pro personnel group, which I think is very new for college ball. So what you're saying is instead of reporting that we've actually pieced together the most important part of modern ball, you keep reporting about the coaching staffs we'll get to. That is kind of the thought, right? There's a process Here on what we need to do a timeline on it all.

[Michael Lombardi]

Yeah, well, first of all, people don't understand the NFL rules, right? So after two weeks, when coaches are not in the playoffs, you can actually go talk to them if they're free agents. So we wanted to wait and see how many coaches who are going to become who are working in the NFL who want to be here. And our phones have a lot of contacts on that. And then also we wanted to see what some of the college coaches who were available. We thought building a staff was probably the last thing we needed to do. We needed to improve the talent pool here at North Carolina. That was really important to us. And so we needed to build a system of operation within this department. We needed processes and systems put in place so that we're just not randomly offering players. And we had to hire certain people to get that. Then we had to hire a strength coach, right? So we hired the New England, former New England strength coach, Moses, who's down here and then he had to hire a staff and now his entire staff is in place. And so now we can start our off season program hiring the receiver coach, hiring the O line coach. We were going to wait until the time was right, till we got everybody in the building so that all the staffs could work together, interview those people at one time. We're not just throwing this out there. This is well thought out. I mean the guy's won six Super Bowls, he's put together a staff before.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so on all those notes there, I think in college ball, the position coaches can't even really coach yet anyways. The weight room is the most important part because that is the off season program in there. You're going to have to get a staff before obviously the football aspect of it all comes back into the college calendar. On that note, Coach Pagano has a couple questions.

[Chuck Pagano]

Hey, Lambo, I'm sure a lot of the pushback, you know, the narratives, the talk about Bill, you know, the contract and going back to the National Football League. Until you do get a bunch of coaches hired, I'm sure you're having to go into these, these high schools and these homes. You're talking to these recruits and they're asking you, okay, we know the defense, the coordinator is going to be, right, it's going to be Steve, who's the D line coach, who is the O line coach? Who's the receiver coach? You guys know you have a good idea. I see you guys brought in Mike prefer now what a get, what a get that is I mean, you've got 20 plus years of experience at the National Football League, right? Coaching at the. I love Coach Prefer. I thought he was unbelievable when he was coaching special teams. So you got a good one there. Talk to us a little bit about that one. And then just how you're defending, you know, Bill and the rest of your, you know, process about hiring guys and why you're taking so long and how you're, you know, keeping these coaches and these high school, you know, keep them on the hook so people aren't killing you and recruiting with that.

[Michael Lombardi]

Yeah, I mean, Coach Prefer, you know, a Naval Academy graduate would put him at the top of the list for Coach Belichick. So that's important. And you know, all the NFL experience. Plus for your special teams coach, you want somebody that understands player personnel because it's, as you guys all know, it's a matchup game. You know, you want to make sure you have the right guys in the kicking game. And I think gut and coach here would be is outstanding. What I don't think people truly understand about Coach Belichick and the system that he's put in place, it's a head coach driven system. So everything that we do here starts and ends with the head coach's office. That doesn't mean nobody has a voice. We all have a voice. We all have the ability to share our information, but everything is being channeled through him. We're not an independent contractor organization. The wide receiver coach isn't going to just arbitrarily pick all the players he wants and not tell anybody or the D line coach. This is going to be a process like the NFL. We're going to build a board and ultimately Coach Belichick and myself, we're going to grade all the players who we offer scholarships to and then we're going to go out and recruit them. So we're a different model than a lot of teams where the head coach is somewhat of a overseer. No, our head coach runs the entire program. And I think we have to explain that to kids. We have to explain that, yes, that you're going to have a relationship with your receiver coach or your running back coach. But the reality of it is if that coach leaves, we're not changing our systems, we're not changing our protocols, we're not changing our process. We're going to get someone who's going to come in and fulfill the requirements of that job because the head coach is still here. That's the part we have to drive home. I think that's unique in college football.

[Pat McAfee]

Watching film, you feel like you guys got a great advantage. I mean, I assume Bill hasn't even gotten into. He said, I think I was just watching as a fan, the playoffs or something like that. He hasn't dove into the film yet, has. And obviously Bill has had to do a lot of. For the draft process, watching film and everything like that. Do you guys have your strategy pretty much figured out on what you're looking for, how you want to build a team to make it successful down there?

[Michael Lombardi]

It's the same as the pro. I mean, we want the same thing. Obviously, we're dealing with younger players. We've got to do a better job of projecting where there's a tight end that we're recruiting in western North Carolina who plays tight end, he looks like he could be a dynamic center. So, you know, we have to project players into different positions because these are still young men. They're not grown up. They're not. It's not as easy as throw the Tennessee tape on and watch the right tackle and see if he's going to play right tackle in the NFL. You've got to do some projections of this and look at the player and say, where is he going to be in two years? Especially at the high school quarterback level, you know, there's so much shotgun. Where's the guy's rhythm, how's he throwing the football? So everything we're doing, we. We scout inside out, not outside in. We're going to find players that fit the systems that are generated from Coach Belichick that we want to run here at North Carolina. And that's why we're going to continue this program in a sustainable fashion. So we know what we're looking for at each position, whether it's the center, whether it's the right tackle, left tackle. They all have a job description that we want and traits that we're looking for in those positions.

[Pat McAfee]

How's it been going talking to these players that you're looking to fit into the positions that you need? Hey, we need this type of guy here. We need this type of guy here. Then you obviously find the film. Your pro personnel department, we need to find this type of guy. Who are they? Then you go and recruit them. I assume there's a lot of you said positive reception. I assume just like NFL guys feel good whenever Bill comes into a press conference and compliments them. I feel like it's probably a pretty good feeling for these dudes and their families whenever you guys walk in and say, hey, we think you would be a guy that would fit in well in our program. And then you sell them on a program. How has the reception been? How much of it is money based, too? Are you guys still having to obviously battle with that entire aspect of what college ball is right now?

[Michael Lombardi]

Yeah, I mean, like I tell every kid that comes up to my office looking for an nil deal. Look, don't be shy. Come in here. This is professional football. You know, if you're going to do the contract yourself, I don't want to.

[Pat McAfee]

Stop you right there. Are you helping them with business, too? Do I think that's something that needs to happen? I think there is something that needs.

[Michael Lombardi]

To happen for is stand up for themselves. I'm not saying I'm going to tell them yes to what they want, but they're going to have to have enough guts to walk in the room and say, this is what I'm looking for. That's part of growing up. That's part of being a professional. We are a professional business. And the relationship that they and they and I have has to be based purely on honesty. I can't lie to any of these kids. They may not hear what I want to hear, tell them what they want to hear, but I'm going to tell them the truth based on what I see. And so that's part of this whole thing. I really believe that that's the kind of culture we're in, and that's what makes it a lot easier. And these young kids, you know, they're impressionable, they see pro football, all that. What makes it so unique for us to explain our system is we can take bills done this many times. Take a young kid who wants to play slot receiver, for example. All right, well, we'll just throw on some New England tape. You want to be a slot receiver? Here's the offense we run. Watch Troy Brown, watch Danny Amadola, watch Julian Edelman, you know, watch all these slot receivers. Watch Wes Welker. We've had all these slot receivers. This is you playing. You want to be an outside receiver. We have an outside receiver from Penn State coming in on Friday. You want to be an outside. Here's the routes Randy Moss ran. Here's what this looks like playing in this offense. Dion Branch played here, so it's a lot easier to explain to the players, you know, and it's, hey, look, Mike Vrabel's the new head coach of the Patriots. We sign an outside linebacker with size. We'll put on the Patriot tape and show them What Vrabel does, Wes Welker.

[Pat McAfee]

Just got a job open is opening as well, you know, and Vrabel, depending upon who he decides or ends up making his offensive coordinator, you know, a lot of those plays were being made by a guy named Josh McDaniels at offense coordinator. He's available allegedly right now. Now how that ends, I don't want to get into your guy guys business, but it feels like you guys are going to be able to figure some things out. Hopefully you're able to have success early because if you have success early, then it's a much easier sell going forward. Then you almost get in the point where, you know, I think every program is trying to get like this, especially in this world, a little bit of a hometown discount, you know, about what, what the future looks like. If you're not getting that, you're not going to succeed. Kirby Smart's able to get that down. They're paying players, but Kirby Smart's able to get a hometown discount because they know you go to Georgia, there's a good chance you're going to win and there's a good chance you're going to make the NFL. Nick Saban was able to get that type of, you know, kind of respect from people. Hey, even though I'm not going to have a starting role here, I'm going to be a third stringer. I know that if I put in the work, I'm going to be able to become a pro. So I'm going to make this decision as opposed to it. It's like once you get the reputation, I know Bill Belichick already has that for being a successful genius and you multiple times super bowl winner as well have that thing. But if you can win quick, all these jobs get a lot easier. Like Marcus Freeman. Yeah, being able to win quick gets much easier. If it's, if it's like, hey, we need four or five years to win, nobody's sticking with you. I mean it is just, that's just how it is. It's crazy time in college ball. I can't wait to watch you guys operate. I hope you do lend some advice business wise to these guys though. Because we're in an entrepreneurial generation. Everybody can make their own money in their phone, in their pocket. You know, one way or another. I think you got a lot more hustlers. I as somebody who is utilized you as a sounding board for hundred million dollar plus deals multiple occasions. I think you'd be remiss if you didn't utilize that as a weapon, too, for this generation.

[Michael Lombardi]

Like, hey, we're going to do what we used to do in New England starting May 15, was we had the off season program where all these young kids, they come from college and we take them through an entire program. First thing you want to do, if you get drafted in the NFL, first thing you want to do, lose your cell phone. Lose your cell phone, because all of a sudden you got friends you never thought you had. So get a new cell phone number. So we're going to teach everybody the same program that we ran in New England on player development. That's going to be an ongoing occurrence here. And we're also going to tap into. We've got an incredible leadership school here, Jim Komen Leadership center that we started, that Jim Komen started in honor of his father. It's a tremendous part of the University of North Carolina system. And that's something that's near and dear to my heart. And we're going to teach. We teach leadership once a week to all the freshmen here on the campus. Kevin Donnelly, a former player for the Houston Oilers, he's part of our staff, he does that as well. So it's really about enhancing you on a professional level because we have to teach these kids that they are no longer amateurs, they're professional. And it's all about, how do you get there.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, but I'm. Yeah, I think you should be talking to these people. And that's a mass. That's. I mean, I didn't pay you any money, you know, and I guess that's kind of up for me, not doing that. But, like, there's only like two people I'm calling before I'm going in and negotiate or final negotiations. And it's you and Nick Khan. And I think Nick.

[Michael Lombardi]

Well, he's a good one.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, exactly. And so are you. I mean, these are the people that I get to call. I'm very lucky that I'm able to do that. But, like, there's been a couple things where you've told me and how I should frame it. In my mind, looking at it, that has been like a missing piece going into a presentation. And then just obviously the boys and I have benefited from it. So it's like, I think this generation is good with learning about that shit.

[Michael Lombardi]

Like, I think they need to.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I think. But I think they're cool with learning about it. But I think there's a chance that if, like, they would be susceptible to people that don't know what they're talking about. Talking about this particular world as well, you know, like, I think anytime there's a massive amount of success to be had, there's always gonna be leeches, you know, and there's a lot of leeches that have come into this nil agency world, business world. And I know that you have to negotiate directly against these people. So it's kind of a tough spot for you to be in. But as you're negotiating with these guys, I hope you are at least informing them on why you're saying this and how a better way of going about it maybe in the future would be or something like that. Like, I hope there is that because I think you're a talent in that world in that aspect and you've been doing it a very long time.

[Michael Lombardi]

Well, thank you. I think it's really important for me to convince the kids they got to stand up for themselves and they got to speak for themselves. But also I think it's really important that they understand that nobody is paying in any world, whether it's in the professional world or in college, for speculation. Everybody's paying for performance. Past performance predicts future achievements, achievement. And so if you have an ability to play well as a freshman, you're going to gradually work your way up the salary structure within a college framework. But if you haven't done anything, don't come knocking on my door looking for money because there's no performance. It's all based on performance. And you got to do it. You're in a performance based look. You wouldn't have the Ram Truck advertisement there if there weren't great ratings. Right? You know, it's all performance based, you know, and you wouldn't be driving a bunch Ram Truck. I mean, that's all. Everything is based on performance. And at North Carolina, it's based on performance. And you earn it. No matter if you're a walk on or you're a scholarship player, you got to earn it.

[Pat McAfee]

Life is merit based. It always will be. I think. And I hope, even though there's some nepotism and some networking that give people good jobs and you want to talk about performance based, there's a reason Ram trucks all over the place. This 2500 heavy duty rebel Ram.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Dude of power.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, my. Performance through the roof. Just like Lambo. Okay, we're going to pivot away from North Carolina and your program. Talk about a lot of the NFL stuff that you would know a lot about. Con man has a question for you.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, Lambo, you brought up Mike Vrabel. Obviously he got Hired in New England last week. Huge. Everyone in New England's pumped. I will say if you steal any of the coaches, he's thinking of hiring your son of a and I hate you. But with that being said, hopefully that doesn't happen. What do you think about the hire and how should I kind of feel about this year's expectations with Mike Vrabel at the helm? Because at the current moment in time, I think Drake May is going to win the MVP and we're going to win the Super Bowl.

[Michael Lombardi]

Well, I think what you found out was everybody going to Dairy Queen after the game didn't work right. Everybody being nice and friendly and fuzzy and having a great time. And now they brought in somebody who understands how to lead. They brought in somebody who can hold players accountable. And he does it from an ex players point of view, which is really impressive. You know, he's got a commanding figure to him. He's a great coach, he's smart. For the life of me, I don't understand why he sat out of last year. I think it's a tremendous hire. I have great respect for Mike Vrabel. I think he knows what he wants. He'll do exactly what we talked about here at North Carolina. He's going to scout inside out. The team will be tough, practices will be demanding. He also knows how to work the players through it because he's done it and he speaks from voice of authority. I think it's really one of the best hires. I mean, for him to be out of football, based on what had happened in the NFL last year in terms of the coaching is hard to believe. I mean look, some of these teams, Tennessee made a coaching change, they didn't get better. New England made a coaching change, they didn't get better. Atlanta made a coaching change, they didn't get better. Sometimes change doesn't make you better. I thought when they let tennis, when Tennessee let Mike Brable go, that was a mistake and I think New England benefited from it.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, Rabes was able to get the Tennessee Titans the number one overall seed in the AFC with like 100 player, 90 some players on IR like he's obviously creates seemingly a winner whenever he is in charge. That Tennessee Titans team speaking about him the way Will Compton still talks about him. Yes, right. Even with who Will Compton was, which is obviously a dog. You're 10 obviously on the horizon, potentially incoming, especially with how he's been doing. But then Taylor Lewan, who high profile starting tackle, you know, so that's the entire roster there basically chit chatting about Frable. All the same thing. Hard nosed, tough guy, obviously talks shit, but he's an accountability driven coach and.

[AJ Hawk]

The way he and we're gonna win.

[Pat McAfee]

And he's a strategist and he's like a genius when it comes to football.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, that was the biggest thing is like he was given an interview and he talked about like the percentages of teams that win when they throw over 50 times and what the percentages of teams when they win when they run the ball, you know, 30 plus times. Like to your point, the strategist football genius. People aren't really giving him credit because there's people online saying like this guy isn't a good coach. I don't know why.

[Pat McAfee]

Just like the mcdc shit. Just like people said about mcdc, because it's hard to get past the oh, this guy's a big dumb dipshit. You know, like, because there's been people that have been built and looked and maybe have a similar past as these two people that have certainly been like that. Let's not, let's not rule out all the big dumb dipshits meatheads there have been in the past where people could potentially send prejudice onto two new meatheads that might not be big dumb dipshits that are actually you know, motivational and smart and deep thinking, charming and charming. Man, yeah, I gotta dip in but man, you know, wife and I watch rom com, you know, man, I'm not worried about it. So it's like I think that's where Vrabel lies and I think the NFL and football as a whole are lucky that he's back in a big time position. And I think the rest of the NFL is pissed. The Patriots are probably going to be back. Now let's talk about a team that might never be back or maybe will be. Ty has a question for you.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, Lambo. I think one of the of the more interesting openings is the Raiders and it's a team obviously that Bill was, you know, tied to a bunch because Brady's there. But now reports are coming out that Ben Johnson, it seems like that is more and more likely that that's where he's going to wind up. And all last year we were talking about, hey, Ben Johnson, he, he's in a perfect spot because he can kind of pick and choose here. He's the hottest name. Their offense has been unbelievable the last two years and then you look at the Raiders as a whole and they don't have a quarterback. They have holes everywhere. Is the allure of Tom Brady being, you know, a partial owner and having hands on in this process, is that enough to get one of these marquee guys to say, yep, I'll. Whatever, you know, whatever you need, you need me to do.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm.

[Boston Connor]

I'm going to go to Vegas because I want to coach under Tom. And do you believe Tom being around there is enough for the, the Raiders to turn things around rather quickly when they've been so shitty for so long?

[Michael Lombardi]

I think it's certainly a step in the right direction. I mean, you get a guy that understands what it takes to win. A former player who's achieved at the highest level of his profession, the greatest quarterback, the goat. And you get him in there and you sit in a meeting with him and he knows what it takes to win. He knows what locker rooms need to have to win. And so I think if you're Ben Johnson and you're having a conversation with Tom through his agent and through all the people, I think you get a sense of comfort. Look, I think a lot of these jobs are driven by what's the ownership behavior, right? I mean, what is the ownership behavior? And we've seen that Mark Davis has been impatient, but now we see that. I think it's time for him to allow someone to come in and buffer this. And I think ultimately that'll be a good situation and he'll be able to find players and develop tout. Look, wherever Ben Johnson goes to the Raiders, he's not going to be able to turn that program around in a year, but he's going to find a quarterback to help that he could turn it around and build the team inside out. And I think Tom has a really good understanding of team building. I've spoken to Tom many times in the past about team building, about how to scout inside out. I think Tom's going to do great.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, that was an incredibly smooth move of your phone. Either silencing it or passing something off while giving a perfect take. That's why you're the difference, brother. That's why you are the X factor and everything. I. All day busy right now. We're very busy.

[Michael Lombardi]

No, it's, you know, every day is the same. You know, you just, you got to solve problems, you got to put fires out and you got to find players. I mean, look, one thing about this program, it's all about consistency. It's about doing it every single day and getting better at what you do. And that's what that standards for me too. I've got to uphold to it whether if I ask the players to do it, we better make damn sure we're doing it on the fourth floor here.

[Pat McAfee]

Fourth floor.

[Boston Connor]

Love that.

[Pat McAfee]

UNC is going to be back. Maybe, huh? Doesn't it sound like certain the Raiders might be back, too?

[Boston Connor]

Maybe.

[Michael Lombardi]

The NFL needs the Raiders to be good. They really do. They're such a great fan base. They really are. It's like they hated you for a while.

[Pat McAfee]

You remember that this season, whenever you.

[Michael Lombardi]

They always hate me. They hate me because I speak the truth to them. They haven't won a playoff game since we lost the Super Bowl. I mean, oh, two. I mean, they haven't won a play. Been like three playoff games. They've lost every wild card. Nobody wants to hear the truth. But the problem has been since we lost the great Rich Gannon, that program has really struggled. And now they got to get somebody. Look, every reason why teams lose is there's not a. There's not a command center. There's not somebody bringing a plan in on how we're going to win. And it has to come from a paramilitary basis. It's got to come from a supreme commander. I think New England just got a supreme commander. Right. The Raiders have a supreme commander and Tom Brady. That's how you win.

[Pat McAfee]

Hell, yeah. Supreme commanders, you need one voice. At the end of the day, somebody has to have two votes, you know, because there's always going to be disagreements in my eyes. Now, granted, there's people that are going to say committees have been able to figure things out. Even though committees, every time we hear about them, they're not figuring things out. I don't know if committees have ever figured something out and it all go the way it's supposed to go. But in my eyes, one person having a vision is certainly a right answer. Now, if it's wrong, then we know who, right?

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Then we can replace person. If it's right, though, we also know who. Plus alongside others. So I think supreme commander is a hilarious way to describe that. And I will start taking it as if it's my opinion own. But I appreciate the fact that you guys go a bunch of spring commanders down there in North Carolina. Yeah. 22 years.

[Michael Lombardi]

We got one we know, but everybody, we got one. We. We know where we're going. No, but. And there's going to be no confusion and people that don't want to get on board, we'll find somewhere else. Because here's what I do know. You know, the name on the front's more important than the name on the back, you know, everybody's replaceable, me included. So that's the culture you want. That's the culture that Tom will bring to the Raiders. That's the culture that New England's going to go back to with. With there. There won't be people in meetings. There won't be administrators coming down. You know, they've made changes already to benefit Mike Vrabel in New England that were prohibiting them from being successful because they wanted to try that, what I call that Dairy Queen method. Like, we're all going to sing Kumbaya and go get ice cream.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we all got it right. We did good here. We did good here. Chuck, wanted to ask you a quick question on that particular.

[Chuck Pagano]

As far as the GM search goes there at the Raiders, that that's open as well. Have you heard anything like if Ben Johnson is the guy that they're targeting? They're pairing these guys up now, coming into a building. So they get two guys that are going to work together, be collaborative, all that stuff, get along. Any word on that?

[Michael Lombardi]

I know that they're talking through a host of people, but I do think Tom understands more than anything, there has to be symmetry between the two. They don't have to get along. Right. What they have to do is share the same vision. And I think the best thing you can have is a debate. I mean, look, Jim Harbaugh goes out to the Chargers, he hires someone that he's very comfortable with that will debate him and force him to think differently about players. It doesn't mean we're all going to get along. But we share the same philosophy. We know exactly what we want in every player. We know how we're going to build this team inside out. And no one's going to argue about it, right? No one's going to argue that the Chargers take an offensive lineman when somebody in the back of the room thinks we should take a receiver. Because everybody's in tune to the philosophy that Harbaugh set. See, that's the key. And if you're Ben Johnson, you come in there with a philosophy. Here's what I want to do offensively, defensively, the kicking game. And it's the job of the personnel guy to work within the framework of that and sell that to the people who are doing all the pro doing all the scouting. That's the job. That's how you get alignment. All this crap about being on the same page, it goes out the window as soon as you lose the game. But to create true alignment, you've got to get the leaders have to preach everything that you want to do. It's the first thing we did here. What's our recruiting message? We got to get that to people so the kids know exactly. Hey, if you don't want it, no problem. You know, I say this all the time to kids. Yes is good. No is good. Maybe stinks.

[Pat McAfee]

I hate.

[Michael Lombardi]

Maybe. Maybe I'm interested, maybe I'm not. No, I'm moving on. When you tell me you're. Maybe we're going to the next kid, right? No one no I can deal with. Maybe I can.

[Pat McAfee]

Man, I'm excited to see if this works. I legitimately just because everything we're hearing about this current process is like very different than that. But the allure of like, hey, this is a professional football academy pretty much is what you're going to and if you don't end up in the NFL, you are going to end up a great business person, you're going to end up a great whatever because this is like a life. So I think you're going to find your people. Like I think you are going to find your people. I'm excited to see how quickly that all happens. Once again, you win. It's an easy as an easy sell, which you guys have always done. Now let's talk about supreme commanders, one that has been in charge for a long time and also has some acting chops. Tony has a question for you.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, we're talking about supreme commander Jerry Jones of the Dallas Cowboys lawn. But I just wanted to get your whole situation on on Jerry and how he's handled, you know, not allowing Big Mike to interview with the Bears and then allowing Big Mike to leave, not getting a contract done. Which, you know, in return you don't get to, you know, talk to any of the coordinators of the teams in the divisional round. And now they're bringing in, you know, Kellen Moore and Jason Whitten and Deion Sanders potentially. What's your thoughts on what's going on in Dallas altogether?

[Michael Lombardi]

Well, I think, look, you have to buy into what Jerry wants to do. I think when you watch the Landman episode where Jerry probably probably had a Golden Globe performance, you know, it was tremendous and we wrote about for the daily. It was just really good. It almost brought you to tears the way he did it. It was. But I. One take.

[Pat McAfee]

One take. We've learned.

[Michael Lombardi]

One take. I didn't know that. Unbelievable. I mean, what I thought it really did for me is as knowing the Cowboys for as long as I have, it really clarified a Lot of things. And it made me understand what he was trying to do do to be around his kids. And I think when you go down there and accept that job, it's your job to figure out how to make it work under those parameters. Right. Because those parameters are non negotiables in Jerry's world. I think it's very challenging because the players know they work for Jerry. I think that's the hardest part. And so they've got to find a way to bridge that a little bit. But what they need down there is they need somebody to get a utility uniform like they had with Parcells. And look, Mike did a really good job down there. I mean, Mike, what he won a lot of games, unfortunately, couldn't win a playoff game. So they've got to ask themselves, how do we get over the hump? But I, I, I think I was surprised he didn't hire Mike back because I felt like at 82 years old, he has a hard time wanting change. I think it'll be interesting what he tries to do moving forward. But I do think they need somebody who's going to be able to talk to Jerry in a way to where it allows the coach to get the things he needs to get done within the framework of what Jerry wants to do.

[Pat McAfee]

Beginning of the show yesterday, I thought there was no chance prime was going to be a head coach to the Dallas Cowboys. By hour two, I was about 50, 50. By the end of the show, I was like Deion Sanders going to be the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. Now that is me doing a daily sports show. Okay. So having to talk about all of it so often, yada, yada yada, and hearing all angles and all different sides, having multiple different opinions, literally day to day, as new information is presented to us, it's like prime would be the guy that you would think would be able to talk to Jerry. Right. Because the amount of respect that they have, hopefully for each other, especially if they were able to do it. So maybe he'd be able to navigate those waters a little bit better. And same with Jason Whitten. Like maybe that's why these two are allegedly being targeted so hard. And allegedly Jane Slater, I do believe, was reporting that Jerry Jones is viewing this as a solo supreme commander mission to hire the next head coach. That's fascinating, especially with that Landman scene where one and done improv so good. Even a little punch joke over there. Spray chicken, you talking to you don't.

[Michael Lombardi]

Let me put my rubber glove on the next time I come in. Here, you know, I love that he tagged that on the way out the door, too. It was all done really well. It was perfect. I think, you know, a lot of this will depend on the staff, who he wants to bring in. But I do think Stephen Jones is the voice of reason within that building, and I think he has tremendous influence on his father. I do believe that. I don't think Jerry will make this decision without Stephen and Jerry Jr. At least and Charlotte contributing, because they've laid that all out. So I think that part of that job is you got to get along. Along with the family.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, definitely.

[Michael Lombardi]

You got to get along with the family.

[Pat McAfee]

Anytime you're going into a family business, you're gonna have to understand you're operating in a different set of rule. You're an outsider coming in there, and if you're already part of the family, might be easier to kind of get the job done. We appreciate the hell out of you. Good luck down there.

[Michael Lombardi]

Love it, guys. Love it, guys. Enjoy the games this weekend.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we got like 20 seconds. Any leans? Any liens on any of those? Are you not paying attention?

[Michael Lombardi]

Look, I think that. That buffalo, that buffalo, two, three. That's the hardest seating right there. I think to me, weather is going to be a factor. I love Baltimore all year. Their defense has really improved. Zach, or from the start of the year to the middle has been tremendous. Look, Detroit's so good, but then when you break down Washington's numbers, they're good on third down. They make explosive plays. Detroit's 128th in the league and explosive plays allowing. Detroit's got to control the pace of that game. I think that's really important.

[Pat McAfee]

We'll see you next, Howard. Thanks, Lobo.

[Michael Lombardi]

Thank you.

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[Pat McAfee]

Listen wherever you get your podcasts. Football is the greatest and we're so lucky that we get to talk about it every single day. I'm not alone, obviously. The toxic tables here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmid. How you doing, Ty?

[Boston Connor]

Doing great. Doing absolutely great. Hey, listen, national championships right around the corner.

[Pat McAfee]

It's Monday night.

[Boston Connor]

I know, it's crazy.

[Pat McAfee]

Divisional rounds coming up this weekend too.

[Boston Connor]

It so feeling great, but also kind of creeping into the back of your mind. It's crazy that this. The season has flown by this fast.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Yes. Yeah, yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Not.

[Pat McAfee]

Look, it's not.

[AJ Hawk]

We.

[Boston Connor]

We still got a lot of time. We still got a month plus here, so we're good.

[Pat McAfee]

But somebody said to me last night on a call, call, I'll see you down in super bowl. Right? Or was that yesterday with.

[Michael Lombardi]

It was Keith Castro.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what it was.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, it was Keith.

[Pat McAfee]

I'll see you down in Super Bowl. Yeah. Certainly in my head it's like he's like a few weeks, three, four months now. Few weeks.

[Ty Schmidt]

It's less than a month for sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, my God. 36 years in football, 18 in college, 18 in the NFL. Coach Pagano is here.

[Chuck Pagano]

Coach flew by a few weeks. Freaking flew by.

[AJ Hawk]

We only have eight games left.

[Boston Connor]

It's crazy.

[AJ Hawk]

There you go.

[Pat McAfee]

When the season ends, we talk about sports we don't know, but we love ball. It's coming around.

[Ty Schmidt]

More sports get at their time to shine.

[Pat McAfee]

That's right. Started with one counting down to allow four or five different sports get a chance to shine in a matter of a few weeks. Can't wait for it. Oh, that NHL season's gonna be fantastic. Because people forget hockey is awesome.

[Chuck Pagano]

That's right.

[AJ Hawk]

Closely.

[Pat McAfee]

And then you want to talk about lacrosse. Did you see the box lacrosse league the other day?

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah. Bomb knockout. Yeah, dude. Mitt knocked a guy out in the middle of lacrosse game the other night. I can't wait to follow that. And have you seen the association? They're saying not a lot of people watching the association. I'm gonna tell you, if they start having nights like they had last night on a regular basis, more people are gonna be watching. It was poster night in the NBA. Chris Braun, get the rock. Hi. Hi. Normally they're doing milk check over there instead of going hi. That was awesome. That wasn't the only one though. Last night was filled with it. How about Zach? 87 foot four over seven foot three. Wendy, that's in the first quarter. You gonna get back. The battle of the Giants. Two seven footers battling underneath. One from Canada, one from France. The NBA down in San Antonio has a couple giants. Well, let's see. Wemby, what do you do to get back? Ah, didn't even jump blocked the 7 foot 4 guy at the rim. This is all last night. This is one night. And then in this game, the biggest highlight of the night, the one that you've certainly seen, which didn't even count. I mean, damn. I mean, that is. And then I saw some people on the Internet that have never played a sport in their life say it's not a dunk. He didn't even tell you. He just threw at him. Yeah. Even more impressive, like people acting like because his hand didn't rattle the rim or the back, that it's not as impressive as being so high. Okay. Over a 7 foot 3 anomaly. He has the alien logo as his logo because they don't make him had eight blocks in the first half last night. He's already being considered the greatest defender of all time, standing at the rim. How tall is Ja? Six foot two.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Three.

[Chuck Pagano]

Two.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean, whatever the case, anybody could get it. That's why whenever he was starting out down there in Memphis, it was a rise to superstard him. He was on commercials, he was the guy anybody could get. He actually once said, I'm not going to dunk anymore. A little bit too dangerous. Yeah. Well, Joe, I'm happy you're taking to the skies again because this didn't even count. And I think it helped out the NBA immensely. Cock back so high in the sky that he could just throw it into the hoop. People act like that isn't impressive. Get the hell out of here. These giants battling was certainly worth a watch last night. The clips like we all did, right? I was just scrolling holy, holy, holy. And then a holy Shite. When Braun went bananas. But these two battling it out. Shout to Purdue. Zach Eady, obviously we saw him at a couple different events. He had one of those big ass hats on. Looked at average look like a normal hat on him. So congrats to him pulling that off. And then Wemby. And obviously the points per game a little bit different. Rebounds per game is a little bit different. Blocks per game a little bit different. Edie is a rookie. He's also on a Memphis Grizzlies team that might be able to do damage.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, they're going a little bit. That would set the record for most blocks per game in a single season in the history of basketball.

[Pat McAfee]

8 In the first half last night in blocks.

[Ty Schmidt]

Crazy.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, triple doubles are normally like points, boards and assists. This dude blocks 10 again, like very. It's like a thing. He just. It just kind of happens because he just does this number here and he's above a rim, you know, I played volleyball in high school. Great sport, great sport. And actually had some colleges looking at me to play college volleyball, which is a pretty cool thing. And I was an outside hitter. Okay. So I would jump up, you know, bow and arrow, that thing, and I'm going down with it. All right. So that was kind of my role. I was able to play in the back row, but I'm coming from back row as well. Well, you know, I'm doing the entire thing. And I didn't know volleyball well enough. Only played like one year. So whenever the. And at that point, I had already committed to West Virginia to kick footballs and already told, like, soccer schools, I'm not going to be playing soccer because I'm going to go kick football. So volleyball was in the spring. Didn't play soccer that spring because I was already going to go kick. So, you know, kind of that whole thing. Played Volvo. Start the end of the season, I had a pretty good year. Great team, great group of dudes, a lot of soccer guys on that team. We had so much fun. I learned the sport kind of as we were going through my favorite sport that I played in high school just because of the environments. So we were filling up gymnasiums for these games. I mean, it was. It was awesome. It was a good time. I think we are in an entertaining team. If I had to guess, I think people would say, you know, that plum team. Pretty entertaining to watch. A lot of moxie on our team. Lot of moxie on our team. Tone did not play no baseball game. Tone got in a fight actually, alongside CFO Phil and many others in the crowd because, you know, we did bring other teams, crowds out too because of potential things that are being said. I mean, we had. It was electrifying. I'm going to be. It was my favorite, favorite sport that I played in there. But at the end I had a couple schools that like, you know, wanted to talk to me or whatever and you know, I don't know about volleyball. So I sit down and we're chit chatting and they're like, we're thinking you could be a libero for us with how athletic you are and your ability in the back row. We think you'll be able to figure it out. Libero is a constant back row. They wear the different jersey and you're just getting. I mean it's. It is not a fun. I mean those balls are going 100 miles and you're getting bang, bang. It is not fun. On the flip side, you hitting those things into these people and the thud that happens and the ball goes flying off. Awesome feeling. I mean, it is awesome. I was like, I'm an outside hitter. You know, I. I'm all a bear. I'm an outside hitter. And I believe the one coach told me we have a 6 foot 9 guy from Lithuania who is our outside hitter and we'll be playing a guy who's 6 foot 7 from somewhere else. So are you going to go over that guy? Because he just raises his hand, stands like this and he's able to block you. It's like Wemby, if he was to play volleyball, oh man, if he was there, he would literally just be able to do the windshield. Like being built like that, being that athletic. And then them preparing him to remain healthy with like the little muscle exercises in his feet and his ankles. Because they did a study on where tall people normally end up falling apart at. Because when you're that big, your joints just kind of get beat to hell. Them since high school. School I think have been trying to build up said muscles and said joints so that he can last. And it's like what he's able to do and shoot and block and wiggle and it's like he's special. He is a special talent to watch.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, he's an alien now, but 10 years from now, there's probably going to be a couple of them.

[Pat McAfee]

Bingo.

[AJ Hawk]

I mean, even thinking about Cooper fly like COOPER Fly like 6, 10, Kevin.

[Pat McAfee]

Durant, I mean, Kevin Durant kind of started this. I don't want to say started this, but when Kevin Durant Was at Texas. And then when he gets to the NBA, they didn't think he was going to work in the NBA because he was too thin. Remember this guy? Too thin. He's too thin. He's too thin. And then he goes and starts doing his. It's like, oh, we got a seven footer. Sorry, six foot eleven er. That doesn't want to be called seven foot. That's how different the game is. He was six foot eleven guy who was able to wiggle and shoot and everything. It's like now that's just kind of the.

[AJ Hawk]

It's like a thing. Yeah. There. There's another guy, I think, who's 16 now overseas, who is on the same kind of trajectory where he's doing all the. And he's also like, set seven feet.

[Pat McAfee]

What's the kid at IMG7. For what?

[AJ Hawk]

He's at Florida now.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Florida.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. What is he?

[AJ Hawk]

He's seven, nine. He is out for the season with.

[Pat McAfee]

A foot injury, which that is the hard thing about Giants.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

It is hard for their body to be able to keep up with their size. Feels like they've been preparing WEMBY for this moment. It's been fun to watch. Not a lot of people watching though, I guess. But we'll get into it in just a few weeks, whenever. Super Bowls.

[Boston Connor]

Just a few weeks.

[Pat McAfee]

Basketball. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who's a college football national champion, super bowl champion, Ryder cup winner, currently in a base or an attic in Ohio, ladies and gentlemen, A.J. hawk. A.J. did you see the high last night?

[Dan Orlovsky]

I'll tell you what, are people really saying Ja didn't dunk that ball? I understand he didn't touch the rib technically with his hand, but I mean, the fact that he even challenged him and he went up there for that was awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

So those tweets actually happening. Close your eyes. Imagine what the person looks like that tweeted it. Yes, you are right. Right. I did some research. You are 100% exactly what you thought it was. I mean, if Ja was to play any sport, obviously he would be successful. But I love that he's playing. I like that he's back. And it feels like he had to take some hard lessons earlier in his career. And I had a little problem with those Instagram lives. Every time they came on, he's like, where's my.

[Chuck Pagano]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Every single time. Could never let one Instagram live fly. Every single time. We're live on ignorance where. Let me find it.

[AJ Hawk]

Someone around. I can smell it.

[Pat McAfee]

Keep it going. Got it right here. All right. Show it real quick. Boom. That was literally what it felt like it was. And we're all like, jesus Christ, man. Just come on, dude. You know, like, you were so much fun. Had to learn. He was young, very, very young. I assume he had to learn a lot of lessons quickly about life. Now he's all the way back and it's like, let's go, let's keep doing that. I think the NBA certainly, certainly needs it.

[Chuck Pagano]

Yeah. Much better with him than without.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. The NBA, though, is, I guess nobody's.

[Dan Orlovsky]

People are mad they're shooting so many threes. Is that the thing?

[AJ Hawk]

Well, no one cares because look at the teams at the top. Like, everyone hates the Celtics, of course, but Cleveland, not, Not the biggest market. Oklahoma City, also not the biggest market. And then like the superstars, the oldest ones are kind of on their way out. So it's one of those things where that whole conversation last year during the playoffs, like, who's the face. Face of the league? Like all the potential faces of the league aren't the most liked people in the league.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, I think they never tried to be liked by anybody. Yeah, these NBA guys, they never tried to be. And I say that as. Not that they're not affable people, but they never do any interview. Like, you never heard any of these guys talk outside of just NBA media. You know, we never really. You don't see them on show. Like, I don't think I know much about a lot of these guys that I'm a massive fan of now, granted, I think, you know, know all the smoke coming around in the NBA getting like podcasts, I think that has helped. But I think whenever you think about. Just From a national 30,000 foot perspective, I don't think anybody knows much about a lot of these guys other than just them playing basketball. And then also when those type of people hear, oh, they're arresting their bodies. Back in my day, it's like, don't know anything about them, so can't really like them personally hear that they have a poor work ethic. Even though nowadays these guys are bigger, stronger, faster, going, like everything like that. So I think there's a little bit of a combo on why maybe people aren't paying attention as much. But I think it's definitely gettable. I think you can get back, especially with the dudes that we've met. Al Burn, I love he's.

[Boston Connor]

I feel like he's. He's pretty rare though.

[Pat McAfee]

Kevin Durant, I love Kevin Durant, but nobody really knows much about him until he starts doing up in Adams. Okay, Adams. And then that's whenever start clips start, kind of.

[Boston Connor]

But I think that's part of the thing too is those guys really don't. They don't have to do that stuff because they're making so much money. And if you're balling out on the court, like, like you're going to get a shoe deal. You'll probably get like a, you know, Gatorade or Powerade or whatever. Like, they really don't have to do all that other outside stuff unless they really want to. And I think another one of the issues, like we showed the Christian Braun dunk, like, that's an awesome highlight. That was unbelievable. Great posterization. But I mean, look at the score. It's like it's not a competitive game at all. So it's like if that's what you're watching it for. Yeah, you're going to get plays like that. You're going to get some sweet dunks and everything. But it kind of goes back to everything else we're talking about. It's like, like these games aren't competitive. It's like one team is much better than the other team and it kind of just stays that way.

[Pat McAfee]

And the other team might tap out too, because they know they're gonna game tomorrow. Exactly. If we're gonna get killed tonight, why waste any energy? It's certainly a thing. As Chuck drops his bottle. Let's pivot away from backpack. I can't hear this guy. Literally can't hear anything right now.

[Boston Connor]

No.

[Chuck Pagano]

Sorry, boys.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, don't worry about it. He's got his ear. He's got his.

[Chuck Pagano]

There's a really good game.

[Pat McAfee]

He doesn't even know.

[Boston Connor]

Absolute buffoons.

[AJ Hawk]

Crazy.

[Chuck Pagano]

Can you hear me?

[Pat McAfee]

No.

[Chuck Pagano]

New York and Philly was a hell of a game.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, you're right.

[Chuck Pagano]

Brunson 38.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh. Josh Hart. I think one bananas. Yeah. Yeah. How about it? Okay. All right, let's pivot away from the offseason sports and talk about the current sport that is happening. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a four time NFL mvp. He is a quarterback for the jets right now. What does the future hold? I don't know if any of us know. We will certainly ask. Ladies and gentlemen, super bowl champion, all time great future first ballot hall of Famer Aaron Rodgers. How you doing, brother?

[Aaron Rodgers]

What an honor to be on PMS on Thursday with the legend Coach Pagano.

[Chuck Pagano]

That means a lot because you know how I feel about you and the respect that I have for You. I got a beautiful question for you today.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes, please. We. Yeah, go ahead.

[Chuck Pagano]

So I was contemplating retirement, Aaron, in 2020. You know, my last two seasons that I coached were in Chicago, place you owned and made everybody know that several occasions. But there was a game we enjoyed.

[Aaron Rodgers]

We enjoyed your short visit there.

[Chuck Pagano]

Okay, the. That's what I'm talking about. Okay, Sarcasm is easy, Aaron. So last game of the season, 2020, Covid year, right? You guys are down at our place, second quarter, we're up 10, seven. You. I'm only asking you because you're the only one that's got a brain to remember every single play, let alone, like the ones that you figured out what the hell we were going to do before we did it. And, you know, the rest is history. And. And I'm still apologizing to the linebacker who I put in like the worst position you could put a guy in. But it was third and four, 8 minutes and 40 seconds to go in the second quarter. And I'm trying to figure out, okay, what do we do with this? You guys are in empty. Two by three. Two guys to the left, three to the right. Lazard was at number three, inside receiver at trip side. 17 was to your left and right before. And the play clock's under five seconds. And so you signaled out to 17 something. Because I think you already identified that. Okay, 20. Duke. Shelley. You remember Duke? Shelley, Duke. Shelly's coming off this side. Robert Quinn got lined up late over on this side. So why'd you have to do it? Like I was. I was contemplating, you know, retirement, but that kind of sealed it, that play right there.

[Pat McAfee]

And in a 36 year career, I.

[Chuck Pagano]

Almost got a linebacker, you know, fired for the position that I put him in. Do you remember the play?

[Aaron Rodgers]

I do remember the play.

[Pat McAfee]

So what was it? What did you figure out? Was this a Chuck Pagano tendency or did they give it away too much? Here it is right here. This is literally. Is this the play?

[Chuck Pagano]

No.

[Pat McAfee]

Second.

[Aaron Rodgers]

That was not the play.

[Chuck Pagano]

Oh, that's. Yeah, that's it.

[AJ Hawk]

I can't see.

[Chuck Pagano]

72 yards. We're up 10, 7. We got hope. We got life. You remember this?

[Aaron Rodgers]

Yeah, of course, yes.

[Chuck Pagano]

What tipped it off? What? How?

[Pat McAfee]

What could I have done different is what Chuck's saying.

[Aaron Rodgers]

I think sometimes an empty. You just got to get those guys up on the line because then you really have to make a protection adjustment. You don't feel like you can beat it with the ball if you run back the clip. I felt like in the situation, even if Duke came off the slot, I believe. I took a. I took a three and no hitch to throw this here.

[Chuck Pagano]

No, we're free runner.

[Aaron Rodgers]

I took a tight. I took a tight hitch. Yeah, I mean, he's. You know, I think we'd seen something on film. You guys have done something similar. And I remembered kind of in the back of my mind saying, if I have speed at 3 on this vertical, you know, in this situation, we're an empty and they bring the slot, I can probably retreat and lob it up down the field. It just so happened we had our fastest guy at 3 there in Marquez. You know, part of it is, is when the defense really can. Can all work together. Now, it wasn't just necessarily of Shelly doing that, but, you know, third and four in that situation. We're on what, the 30 yard line or whatever. The safety is playing a little too aggressive. I think down there on number two. He can probably play a little high to low from 3 to 2 there based on the timing, you know what I mean?

[Chuck Pagano]

Because taking notes just in case somebody calls. I don't think they are. They see this.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Well, Chuck, as you know, and then you watch a lot of ball, like the best defenses, you know, that run the protection, the pressures, they didn't get up. Going to get after your protection is when they division knows and understands what time the ball has to come out so those guys can play first movement. I feel like in this situation, the safety was too. Was too quick to play like our number two to the three receiver side, stopping instead of just playing high to low there, you know, giving your linebacker a little bit of help. Now if Shelley's on a line of scrimmage and it's like, oh, fuck it, we're, you know, he's coming, then you, then you, you know, you have to make the correct protection call there to even have a chance. But because he's still coming from the slot and trying to super disguise, which is great, as long as everybody's working together. Gave me a little bit of opportunity to throw it down the field.

[Chuck Pagano]

Yeah, because. Because devonte looked, but you knew you had time.

[Pat McAfee]

So that guy was coming from Michigan. I mean, you gotta get him up on the line.

[Chuck Pagano]

You could have done me a favor just dumping it to him, but no, we had to go over the top. Good call.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Yeah, I apologize.

[Chuck Pagano]

No, it's all good. That's all good.

[Aaron Rodgers]

I feel like that play. I've always respected you and, and you guys got us back in 2012. If you remember, we were beating the hell out of you guys at halftime, I think 21 to 3, you guys came back and beat us there. Andrew had a great game and that was my.

[Chuck Pagano]

I was in the hospital. That was my first game I missed.

[Pat McAfee]

That's Chuck strong game.

[Aaron Rodgers]

But that was the truck strong game.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Aaron Rodgers]

That was your team though. Yeah, that was your team.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Aaron Rodgers]

We're all wearing the shirts. We're all wearing the shirts in pregame.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, so you let him win.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Appreciate you doing tonight. Yeah. Okay.

[Chuck Pagano]

Saturday.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Well, I thought, I thought, you know, I didn't actually realize it was for Pagano. I thought it might have been Chuck Norris. And I'm a big Chuck Norris fan.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[Aaron Rodgers]

I was thinking, is this Chuck Norris? What are we doing here? And somebody told me, yeah, and somebody told me, no, this was Chuck Pagano. I said, oh, okay, okay, cool.

[Pat McAfee]

Reggie came out the orange gloves, I believe, did the entire. I mean it was, that was a magical day in the history.

[Aaron Rodgers]

That was a, that was of energy. I remember just how special that day was. It had to be for you, Chuck, because the over overwhelm, overwhelming support and love that was, was pouring out there is pretty cool to watch now. I still wish we, we beat the hell out of you guys, but of.

[Pat McAfee]

Course would have been cool to go in there on Chuck strong night and be a little stronger. We get it, you know. And Chuck would end up beating leukemia and return in that season, which was awesome. And you're a legend. Everybody that's ever played for you feels the exact same way. We love you. Now you don't only, you don't only retired him. You've retired a lot of people, I assume throughout your career at different positions. Let's talk about you and your retirement. Potentially hearing you talk about that football right there and chit chat about the move and what you see and what you like. And I think you've told us before, like you're such a competitor. The only place that you really feel like you can scratch the itch of competition on a full time basis is amongst the best, which is in the NFL. How much have you had to think and contemplate about your future? How much pressure is being put on you to think about that decision and how are you managing that with everything that's going on back in Southern California legitimately? Like, how are you as a person and how are you thinking about everything professionally? Because I assume there's a decision has to be made.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Well, the season is not technically over. You know, I always feel like the season's over once the super bowl is Over. And then, you know, kind of everything resets. Everybody's zero and zero again and, and there's a chance for everybody to reset now. There's obviously moving pieces in New York. There's been a number of job interviews for GM and for head coach. There's even, you know, more names, you know, being released every day that, that the team is looking at. But I've had limited communication with them. You know, I've been dealing with trying to protect my house over here. My house is fine. I'm not in the, in the areas that have been affected, but it's been a weird, you know, weird time for so many, you know, people that live down here, Friends of mine that lost houses, number of friends in Palisades lost their homes, a number of friends in Pasadena affected, and friends around Runyon Canyon. It's been, you know, it's been a tough time for sure. You know, a lot of the, a lot of the, you know, kind of attention has gone to so many celebrities who lost their houses. There's, you know, some affluent areas and post Palisades and some of those areas, Malibu that got, they got affected. But there's a lot of other people that just your, your, you know, average great Southern California folks who, who lost everything as well and it's going to be tough to rebuild. You know, anybody who's ever tried to build a freaking structure in Southern California knows how ridiculous the, the, you know, just trying to get a freaking permit to, to build anything is. Maybe there'll be some, some common sense politics that makes things easier for people to rebuild, but you're talking about a multi year comeback for some. So many of these areas, it's going to be really tough for people. So it's been a tough time. There's been loss of life. There's obviously been a lot of structures that have been been burned down. You know, I think the really the, the disheartening thing besides obviously the, the loss of homes because it's more than just a house, right? It's a home where there's memories and, and years. And you're talking about to elderly people who've been there for 40, 50 years on the beach or Palisades or in Altadena or whatever these areas are. But it's the arson. You know, there's a ton of arson. We already know there's a ton of arson in LA in general. It's one of those kind of things that people don't like talking about in Southern California because of all the money that goes to you know, various initiatives and I'm not even going to mention it just because it's kind of a hot button. But there's a lot of arson and people have been caught doing it. People have been caught walking around blowtorches and different, which is crazy and it's, it's inhumane is what it is, and it's sickening. And then the looting that's gone on, people impersonating firefighters, people starting fires and to loot the same areas. There's a lot of like, things that really make you question humanity in general. And it's a, it's a bad look because people have lost their lives. People have lost their houses, their homes, their memories, everything. The pets. And then you have people who are legitimately starting fires in areas. The run in Canyon fire, there was an arson. There was a fire that was actually started real close to my house. That was arson that thankfully got put away really quick. So that's the shitty part about all this. The beautiful part is the way that so many people have come together and have gotten meals together and supplies together for these incredible men and women, them and fighting these fires, the people who are flying these planes. I saw this incredible video probably about a week ago, the most beautiful like drop from a plane that absolutely doused this fire. There's a lot of, you know, really talented people who've been working on this, putting in crazy freaking hours. So my, my heart and my, my hat is tipped to the incredible men and women who are putting in crazy hours, not just from Southern California, but with the people that came down from Northern California and other states. And supplies have been given in for those people, has been amazing. So it's been a tough time for Southern California. We have to see. We had some bad fires, you know, six, seven years ago. I believe there was a really bad fire. Northern California has seen, you know, some really rough, rough ones with Paradise Redding, Santa Rosa areas especially. So it's been, you know, I'm not even going to get into, you know, the frustrations just because that's a whole nother rabbit hole around some of the leadership stuff. But yeah, it's been a tough time for everybody involved.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And I'm sorry that you and everybody has had to go through it, obviously.

[Aaron Rodgers]

I, I mean, listen, whatever you lock.

[Pat McAfee]

Out, you literally luck out in this. And that's. Obviously we have friends that also live in Southern California and it's just like whether or not you're lucky, it's almost like it wasn't, it wasn't picking and choosing it was just sporadic wind, 100 mile an hour winds or something, just picking one up and missing a home somehow and then a patch of homes somehow gets saved amongst all the rubble. And then there's like survivor's remorse happening. So it's like there's nothing good happening in any of this. And I want to let you know, and obviously I hope you've heard the calls from everybody, we are all letting you know that we think what you are going through absolutely sucks. And it is so devastating and so sad and horrific and the stories about the arson. Obviously there's always going to be assholes that walk amongst us and hopefully there comes a time where we're able to handle everything and doesn't happen. But the heroes that are sprinting in there are also walking amongst us that we're not really reminded of until something like this happens. So like obviously thanks to them, to hell with the assholes trying to prey on the situation and to everybody that is dealing with it, we are so, so sorry. That is literally, I think all we can say from over here. And hopefully going forward there's some measures that are taken so we don't have to experience this again. And I don't want to like pivot away from that because of how real and serious that all is that you're going through. But like the decision about the season ending and super bowl not hearing from the Jets, I assume, has this perspective changed? Has this thing changed a perspective for you about your life and how fragile and how quick everything can kind of go and does that change it? Like, is there any life perspective? Things happen. I know that you're a pretty deep thinker, especially around these moments. This type of situation change anything for you.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Listen, I've sat in a hole in the ground in Nowheresville, Oregon and I've sat in numerous Ayahuasca ceremony circles. So I've done a lot of contemplating in my time and gotten some good perspective adjustments over the years. This is, you know, this is nothing that changes my perspective other than it's heartbreaking because so many times when there's, you know, I think we can all relate to this, this reality. So many times where there are issues, you know, whether it's what happened in North Carolina or the what seems like yearly devastating hurricanes that happen or when a bad tornado goes through or, you know, whatever the natural disasters or unnatural disasters that happen. So many times that I sat out of mind and your heart goes out to those people, but you don't really have like connection. So many of us to that specific occurrence or event. But it's different here. You know, I, I literally flew in no power, which again, my, my blight is, is much less than anybody else has gone through. But I just, I'm just telling you what happened and I flew in. There's no power. I drive over the hill the next day and I call, I call Miles.

[Pat McAfee]

This.

[Aaron Rodgers]

I was like, well, the first thing I did, I was checking on because I heard Palisades and, and, and obviously, you know, we all know Miles Teller. We're either fans or, you know, personally, I've known miles for 17, 18 years.

[Pat McAfee]

Love miles. Love Miles.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Him and his wife Kelly, they're incredible people. And call them and, and he's like, yeah, we lost everything. So, like, that was the first. Literally within 24 hours of landing the first, and with no power. He was like, the first person I called was just to check on him. And that's when it really hit home. Like, this is, you know, this is legitimate. They, they didn't have a chance. They had a, you know, short amount of time. They got everything they could. They got Bugsy and, and what little they could. They could fill in a car and got out. So that's the reality. But the reality is there's thousands of people like that who've been dealing with that got displaced, lost everything. And like you said, there's some people that somehow, you know, won the lottery and their house got missed. But you're talking about a crazy rebuild that's gonna, you know, that's gonna take years, because it would take years anywhere. But it's LA with terrible, you know, just. I'm not even getting into it just because it's so ridiculous. Just. I mean, you could go on a small, you know, diatribe about the lack of leadership for so long, but as far as my own decision, you know, I told him I'm going to take some time. They haven't even made a decision on a GM or a coach yet. Once that happens, then that'll take us to the next step, which is conversation, I'm assuming, with whoever that individual is. And then, you know, but this is a time where I'm taking time for my body and, and, you know, my mind to clear things. Obviously it's different because, you know, all that's going on in la, and again, there's been incredible, incredible work done by the, all the fire firefighters out here in the departments, and things are actually looking up, which is, which is great. So big shout out to all the men and women working so hard for Us to. To save so many lives and, and all the heroes, all the, you know, the, the non professional firefighters, There's a ton of heroes out there who bought their own supplies and, and save their houses and neighbors houses. And the stories are starting to leak out. It's pretty fucking incredible.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Aaron Rodgers]

A lot of heroes in this and a lot of villains. And those villains should be prosecuted to the highest degree of the law.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. And hopefully that will take place. Before we move into the next step of the conversation, we'd like to tell Miles and Kelly and Bugsy, we are happy you're okay. Sucks that that happens. Bad. In a bad, bad way. But I feel like. Like being around Miles even in this negative, devastating thing. He's gonna bring the juice. Oh, yeah. That guy's awesome.

[Boston Connor]

Still bring it.

[Pat McAfee]

He is awesome. The man. I hated him at the beginning.

[Boston Connor]

You did hated him, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Thought he threw me under the bus for no reason. Okay. I didn't create the story. All right? So what are you coming after me for? You need to go after somebody else. Did not like him.

[Aaron Rodgers]

And you kind of ran with the story without knowing the whole truth.

[Pat McAfee]

I didn't report it and I didn't know the guy. And it was a great. It was a certainly. I did not report it though. A legitimate place in his world reported it. Tmz, I believe, was the person.

[Aaron Rodgers]

He got jumped. He got jumped by a psycho.

[Pat McAfee]

I heard he lost a fight. So in the moment, you know. And I heard there was an entire situation going on over there. So we just talked about it, how it was reported. And I didn't know Miles. And then all of a sudden I drop it into a WWE show. This guy just got punched in the face like he's Miles Teller. I thought it was a great, like, I thought it was great topical. Just happened earlier in the day. This is. I didn't make up this story. It was being reported. Didn't know Miles thought that's what happened. And then all of a sudden, Miles response, cool Segway dude. Did the whole thing. I got jumped, almost died and robbed. And it's like, I'm like, okay, so you. So then all the tabloids around the world were like, Miles tell or dunks on Pat McAfee who tries to make a mockery of the situation. So I'm getting murdered again in different languages, just like we have done in the past together. And I'm like, fuck this guy. You didn't have to come back. I didn't create the story. I'm just talking about things that are already in our lexicon and being reported as such. And then we talk.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Good word. Nice.

[Pat McAfee]

Thank you so much. Thank you. I appreciate. I sent a few of them in there. And then whenever I talked to Miles for the first time and we kind of chat and we golfed together, it was like, oh, this is a good dude. And he probably. Probably thought that we were potentially friends at the time.

[Aaron Rodgers]

So me, Barry, he thought you guys might be thrown down a little bit.

[Pat McAfee]

I was ready to. Yeah, I was completely ready to. At the UFC fight, we ran into each other, and I had a neck brace on because Baron Corbin had just.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

On the outside, I was with Nick Khan, Triple H, the McMahon family. We go to this UFC fight, we show up up for stylebender. Coming in with the undertaker theme. You know, Chris Pratt's two doors down. We had just talked about his performance in Jurassic Park. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

You didn't know him at the time.

[Pat McAfee]

Jurassic World. Did not know him. I did not know any of Chris Pratt's work other than Jurassic World. And I certainly had my opinions on that entire thing. Did not love. And then right next to him is Miles and Kelly. And I was like, all right. On the way. I'm actually telling Triple H on the way out of here, like, hey, there might be some shit on the way out of here. And he's like, what do you mean? I'm like, there might be some shit on the way out here. He goes, all right, I'll break it up if you start losing. I'm like, all right, thank you. That's a hilarious. I have a neck brace on. I have a neck brace on him in a tank top, you know? So I walk by, and Miles goes, hey, can we talk for a second? I go, absolutely. You know, and then here's Triple H. If you look at the photos, Triple H is, like, watching the whole thing. I think he's like, holy shit. Like, this is actually gonna go. Kelly. Kelly starts yelling at me because I go, know. I don't know what your problem is. To Miles. Was that what I said to him? And she goes, don't talk to him like that. I didn't know who she was. I had no idea. I said, I will not be talking to you. Okay. At this moment. So please. So very, like, matter of fact. Wow. I didn't realize.

[Aaron Rodgers]

This is how I went.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah. She. Because she, like, started yelling at me. And I. Once again, now that I know him, mad respect for her also being like, you punk. Like, I appreciate it. Hindsight. Appreciate it. In the moment. Was Ready? All right, here we go. I'm fighting Miles Teller in this entire thing. But then we had a quick interact.

[Aaron Rodgers]

He's cut. He's a big dude, though. Yeah, I would have been.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Triple H would have been doing a quick, easy haul. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. You know, guy's got a neck brace on. If they would have been attacking the guy with a neck brace.

[Aaron Rodgers]

That was a good setup for you, though, to put that on right before that.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Aaron Rodgers]

There I get a little bit of.

[Pat McAfee]

Here's the. Where's the photo. That's literally what I look like walking in and out of there. I mean, you got to be absolutely. Absolutely kidding me. It was fun. It was an honor. But that was our first interaction. Seemed like a good dude. Then we talked again later. Then we got to hang out, and I was like, man, I was completely wrong about this guy. I apologize. Miles teller. That is 100 on me. And I think the reason why he corrected us as opposed to the main story is because I think he thought we were like. Like fret. Like, same group. Sympatical. Yeah. You know, like, we all know the same people. So he was, like, most disappointed with me as opposed to. So I'm like, I'm so sorry. So I love Miles and Kelly. I've never met Bugsy. Bugsy's a dog. A cat dog. Okay. You know, I don't. I'm asking. Is it a dog? Cat, hamster.

[Aaron Rodgers]

It's. It's a. You know, a service animal.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. So shout out to bug dog. I've never met Dugsy. I love Bugsy as well, and they.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Do things for chiming in finally. Thank you for chiming on there.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. To the Teller family, we do apologize that you're going through this. We love you guys.

[Aaron Rodgers]

We love. We love you guys.

[Pat McAfee]

And if anybody need. Like, if anybody set anything up over there, we would love to help, you know, however. We absolutely can. Go ahead. A.J.

[Aaron Rodgers]

I think Miles. Miles might need some. Some. Some shirts. You know, some black shirts, black tanks. You know, maybe send those over.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah, listen, if he was to wear one. How about him? Dancing.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, my God. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

That's the best.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Good. He's a good dancer.

[Pat McAfee]

So talented. And then we were. Somebody was talking.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Terrible at driving. Terrible at driving golf carts under ropes, but a good dancer.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, we got a. We got one of these. We're taking the top off at the red light.

[Aaron Rodgers]

No, he snapped my driver underneath the ropes.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Two years ago. Two years ago on the. On the Wednesday before Tahoe. Yeah. All right, all right. Age. What. What's your question? Hold on, hold on. We got something there for a while.

[Pat McAfee]

We got to talk more about it. Because he's a talent. This guy is a super talent.

[Boston Connor]

He is talent.

[Pat McAfee]

I didn't watch any of his movies growing up either, so that's 100 on me. I did know who he was, but we were with somebody who was talking on him about his job.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Have you seen. Have you seen that awkward moment? Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

So good.

[Pat McAfee]

No, definitely not. Classic.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Great movie.

[Boston Connor]

Him, Michael B. Jordan, Single guys in New York.

[Pat McAfee]

Zack Efron. There's a whole another situation that I just walked myself right into.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

God, you must have tore this town down last night. I've been sober for about six, seven months now. All right. Jesus Christ. Nice to meet you, man. I am so. I. You know, I didn't know. I didn't know anything. So that's. It's pure ignorance on my side. I think everybody knows that, so that is very kind to them. I'm in my world. I'm in my world. Football's my world. And anytime I get a chance to get out of there. And wrestling. And anytime I get out of there, you know, I just try not to embarrass the program. I certainly have, though. And we're gonna try to get better. But. Miles. Miles. Thank you for answering. Whenever that dipshit was trying to talk shit, he did that drum solo in Whiplash. Whiplash. That's him.

[Aaron Rodgers]

He did. He did.

[Pat McAfee]

Everybody thinks that was a hand replacement.

[Aaron Rodgers]

I'm telling you, he's one of the most talented guys I've ever seen off the golf course.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, he's. He's not a great golfer. He. Neither am I.

[AJ Hawk]

Though everything else.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Though off everything else.

[Pat McAfee]

That was right after.

[Aaron Rodgers]

I mean, are you talking about, like, bar games and. And bags, darts, washers? Yeah, he's good. Flip cup. Yeah. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Good vibes. Miles Teller. Yeah. Great. Hey, and we're sending ours to you Teller family. And it's great to be friends with you guys. You know, was willing to war. Happy. We're not happy. We are not. Go ahead, aj.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Aaron, how'd you. How'd you leave it when you left New York? You meet with. With Brick and Woody, I assume, and have exit meetings. I'm not sure how you leave with them, what the next timeline might be. And I don't know if you know this, but Monday, Ohio State plays Notre Dame. The national championship. Also the inauguration. I see some different people announcing they may be performing.

[Pat McAfee]

Are you.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Are we going to turn TV on and see you sitting next to Elon and maybe Zuck and some of those, those big hitters up there on the stage.

[Pat McAfee]

Go long.

[Dan Orlovsky]

You should complete a ball there.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Well, I, I have seen that there, there were a couple inquiries. I don't know if they're invitations or not about me going out there. Only related to Bobby because looks like Bobby's gonna be in the cabinet. I will not be anywhere near D.C. why, but why? Yeah, I don't, I don't want any part of that.

[Ty Schmidt]

Congrats on Red Die, by the way.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, Red Dye's got. RFK has already got his first win.

[AJ Hawk]

Boom.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Well, yes, it's first of many. I hope it's gonna be interesting to see what happens. I, I want, what I do want to watch is I want to watch his confirmation. I want to watch his confirmation hearing and just see who tries to with him. Like please somebody try and get after him and just watch him absolutely mop the floor with any of these senators. So you better come ready. Senators come ready and try and, and try and you know, see if you can pull it over on my boy, my boy Bobby. Because Bobby's smart dude and no notes off the cuff can, can handle his own pretty well. So excited, excited for him to. And honestly, so should everybody. Like if you, if you spend a minute researching ingredients in products in the states compared to overseas, it's disgusting. It's disgusting what they allow here, the levels that they allow here. Products that are terrible for you, products they know are carcinogenic. So it's going to be as. He's doing a service to everybody if you just let him and get the hell out of the way and stop trying to label him as whatever the they want to label them these days. He just wants to make sure that everything that's being given to our kids is safe. Everything that we're, we're ingesting on a day to day basis is safe. And he's going to make America healthy again or he's gonna freaking die trying. So wouldn't you want that the guy, the guy in charge, the guy that goes down to Gold's Gym in Venice now he does wear jeans when he works out, but the guy's down there shirtless, doing, doing freaking 30 pull ups and, and, and you know, lifting a bunch of weights looking, looking jocked for 70 years old. Speaking of pull ups, speaking of pull ups, Woody Johnson is a big pull up guy, I can tell. You know, I think Beast, he, he, he definitely likes to talk about how many pull Ups he can do, which I feel like is. Is a lot now. He had a little injury that stopped him. But, you know, when I talked to him a couple months ago, he said he's back on the pull up, so. I'm happy to hear that. But yeah, I met with the. Met with Woody.

[Pat McAfee]

That was a great transition right there.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Met with Christopher and, and Jaime and, and Coach Ulbricht and you know, everybody there had a lot of nice conversations. Yeah, it was, you know, that was a weird transition because literally Monday, you know, we're there, I meet with everybody, was talking about the fires Tuesday, and I'm, you know, flying out to the west coast and I land and it's just shit's going crazy, you know, just sits on fire and winds are crazy. And you know, I got to the house, the, you know, winds were going absolutely nuts. Gate was flying off the handles and no power. And then my first, you know, like I said, get over the hill and like this is on fire. I mean, we're literally driving my buddy to the airport, it looks like. I mean, the whole sky is dark. There's on the right. We're going, we're going south on a 101. The right. Crazy sky, fire. And straight ahead, Pasadena, Altadena. There's a crazy, you know, crazy sky as well, with flames. So it was, it was, it was weird coming back. But yeah, I had good conversations with all those people and made my way out here. And then obviously shit's been a little bit crazy for the last nine days or so.

[Pat McAfee]

What are those conversations? How this conversation goes? Because nobody knows what the future is. I think that's what the next question question would be if hashtag journalism was to take place. How do those convos go? Just like everybody kind of states where we are, what the situation is. We all understand where we are and what the future could look like. Is that kind of how that goes? And I, I heard Coach Ulbricht. I didn't hear there's only one brick. Yeah, I don't know what that's all about. I read in New York Times the Athletic could be a little bit different than that. You don't have to expand. But what are those meetings like whenever you check with these people?

[Aaron Rodgers]

Most of that, most of those conversations are meant for the people in those rooms.

[AJ Hawk]

Take us in there.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, put us in a room where it happens.

[AJ Hawk]

Take us in if we are.

[Aaron Rodgers]

The best conversations are where over the years for examines are where there's somebody taking notes whether the person you're talking to or somebody else in the room taking notes. And there's constructive, constructive criticism on ways to improve how we do things around the building. That's like from player to coach and then from coach to player. There's constructive ways in which you can show up, do your job better as well. There are some great ones over the years with Mike, you know, Mike was. We used to. Because we had such a close relationship, I would be, you know, later in my career, it went by seniority. So, you know, once I got into like the middle 2010s, I was one of the oldest guys on the team. So my slot to meet with Mike, there's 15 minute slots. He met with everybody on the team, which I thought was awesome too. Like, literally everybody on the team got a 15 minute slot. And most of the time it went more than that. But we would, we would meet, but then we would meet for an extended time later in the week or at his house or my house. And, you know, I always felt like everything I told Mike, you know, got, got taken to heart and, and then he would always have things for me to think about, to work on, to, to contemplate in the offseason. So I was, I really appreciate his feedback over the years. You know, it always made me feel like I was being listened to and that there were things that, you know, we could improve on moving forward. But those meetings went, went one hours, these, these were much shorter than that. I gave some constructive things. You know, there's, there's always things. It's. There's so much that goes into the whole thing. There's, there's the food bar, there's the locker room, there's travel, there's hotel stuff. There's different, you know, you just given low constructive things here and there that maybe they take to heart, maybe they don't. But I think there's always ways to, to improve. And I was impressed to see that, you know, the meeting with Christopher and Jaime was a lot about that. The meeting about Woody was, was more about, you know, team future, different things. But I think everybody understands that it's going to come down to a GM and a coach and myself and whether we all want to do, do a dance together or if it's, it's not in the cards.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Tango potential still in New York. If not, there's other spots that are going to be looking for a quarterback. If you were to remain a quarterback in the NFL, that's a decision that you obviously will have to make open. Anything attached to nothing at the current moment you mentioned Big Mike. He's available in he. Mike should be out there somewhere. And if they're.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Hell of a, Hell of a, hell of a ball coach. Hell of a ball coach. What he did this year with the amount of injuries that they had, I thought was, was amazing hearing the guys talk about him. I wasn't surprised just because, you know, anybody that plays for Mike and gets to know him a little bit and, and get to feel that great big heart that he's got and you know, it's, it's, it's special. So, you know, it was interesting because anybody knows the business and Chuck, you know this better than anybody. Most of the time coaches have an extra year on their deal, right? So it gives you that buffer if you get, if you get released, you have a year to kind of not have to rush back in there. All these guys. Maybe you can speak more on this, Chuck. I'd be interested in what the mindset is and maybe if this has ever happened to you. But, but I think most of the coaches on the staff went into the season without another year on their deal. They're in the last year of their deal. That's a freaking tough way to go about doing it with no guarantees afterwards. Like, have you ever been in that position before, Chuck?

[Chuck Pagano]

Yeah, my, you know, after the 2015, the fourth year of my contract, I went in after three years. We made it all the way to the AFC Championship game. Got the doors beat off of us.

[Pat McAfee]

The boss.

[Chuck Pagano]

Yeah, Pats. But anyway, you know who it was. But Aaron went in and I thought, you know, we were 11 and 5. 11 and 5, 11 and 5. Made the playoffs every year, advanced in the playoffs and thinking, okay, hey, time to get something new.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Time to get some money here.

[Chuck Pagano]

Let's go. You know, I watched like, you know, and I love Jason Garrett. He did a great job. He's eight and eight. Eight and eight, eight and eight. And he got a new six year deal at six or seven purse. I'm thinking, hey, this could be a, a decent little deal. And only come to find out that, hey, we're just gonna, you know, whatever. So I was like, okay, forget it. It. I don't want anything. I'm gonna bet on myself. So he went into that last year with, with, with nothing. And then Aaron to have to walk down the hallway when they come in and this happened a couple times and you have to tell all your assistant coaches, like, they're not re upping us because every year like you win and you do well, they come down, they Give me the old one. They give you a new one, and they. You always have that year, you know, and then guys get pissed because they're under contract, and then guys won't let them leave. Well, you sign the thing, it's. It's. You know, it's. It's insurance. It's guaranteed. It's insurance for you. But then on the other hand, you know, you're not afraid because they can block you, so to speak.

[Aaron Rodgers]

And sometimes. Sometimes guys will bet on themselves and not sign the contract if they're position coaches that want a chance to interview for a job coordinator, which I totally respect that. I agree. Yeah. But it's when the most of the staff and the head coach and the coordinators don't have. That, to me was like, yeah, no, I would think there's no. I mean, talk about having zero confidence you're going to be back.

[Pat McAfee]

Like.

[Chuck Pagano]

But to your point about Big Mike and the job that he did, to go in there and then shut the doors and say, okay, none of us, including myself, we don't have guarantees. We don't have that extra year. But you know what? We signed the contracts, we got the name on the back of our jersey, the decal inside of a helmet, and by God, hey, look, this ain't going to be a distraction. We're not going to talk about this. We're going to prepare. We're going to coach. We're going to put the time in and we'll show them what would be.

[Pat McAfee]

The reason why, why Jerry wouldn't bring back Big Mike. You think, like, why do you think Dio would not.

[Chuck Pagano]

You know, there's a lot of speculation out there. I think maybe coach McCarthy wanted maybe a little bit more from a guarantee standpoint, maybe more years. I heard, you know, Troy mention this, some other people mention this, that maybe he wanted four or five years there and that Jerry maybe was like, okay, we'll do two. So maybe there was something.

[Pat McAfee]

These are all alleged. These are all alleged.

[Chuck Pagano]

Yeah. No. Yeah. Legend.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. But there's rumors hitting, like why the deal didn't come play. I assume Dallas Cowboys will put out their reasons. I don't know if Big Mike is a guy that leaks stuff, doesn't feel like he is, but he's on the move. He's going somewhere else. And Aaron might be on the move, too, and Devonte might be on the move, too. Are we calling up Jordy from the damn farm? Are we putting this thing together? We shall see. Open anything attached to nothing. Now let's talk about this weekend. I know you have to go. We appreciate your time. Tony has a question for you.

[Ty Schmidt]

Aaron, I know you got a lot going on, but will you make it appointment viewing Sunday when the Ravens and Bills play each other? Josh and Lamar are playing each other. The winner gets the mvp, we've been told. I think that's how it's going to work out this year. And then in your past, did you have any, like, huge games like that where the, where it was you who. I mean, four MVPs versus someone who was second in MVP? Like, like a matchup of this magnitude?

[Aaron Rodgers]

I mean, you'd have to go back and look at that in 16. I felt like maybe I should have won MVP based on the run that we had and we played in the NFC Championship. The guy that did win mvp, Matt Ryan, and he beat the hell out of us. That kind of. That determined that maybe they made the right decision there. But. But no, we had some good matchups over the years. Obviously the NFC championship against Tom was a, you know, was a great, great matchup. They had a great team game. Felt like we should have won. Obviously we had made a lot of mistakes in that game. But I will say this. You know, this is the problem, and I'm just prognostic, prognosticating here, but big problem in, in the football media is what is gonna happen to the loser of that game.

[Pat McAfee]

Can't get it done. Can't get it done.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Those guys, both guys had incredible seasons, right? Incredible season. Josh, you know, I don't know, like until the media, which has a big sway, kind of jumped on the Lamar train with. I don't blame him because he had an incredible season too, but it seemed like it was Josh's MVP to win. He had a phenomenal season. Arguably the best player in the league. And the other guy who would probably be in the conversation besides Saquon is Lamar Jackson. And just a little ho hum, 41 and four season for him. But again, they've. They both haven't, you know, won, you know, been to a Super bowl, which is, you know, everybody's measuring stick for giving somebody some sort of elite status that we, we have to grovel to receive from the, from the media. So.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Is that right, you think it's right that way you guys are judged by super bowl wins, I guess.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Who gives a. You know, like, judged by. Judged by who?

[Pat McAfee]

Me? Con man Kai. Definitely no Associated Press.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I'm sure the shaman judge every once in a while.

[Pat McAfee]

Of course, the Associated Press tone, though, I don't know about the shaman down there at the Ayahuasca retreat. They're certainly judging. And maybe in the darkness retreat, the poor ones do.

[Dan Orlovsky]

The poor ones.

[Pat McAfee]

Associated Press Tone is definitely judging.

[AJ Hawk]

No doubt.

[Pat McAfee]

That is what he's all about.

[Ty Schmidt]

I only lift up what.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, Aaron, we appreciate you so much. That's a perfect way to end this thing. You're the.

[Aaron Rodgers]

That was great.

[Pat McAfee]

We send positive vibes, everybody, yourself included over there in Southern California and we appreciate the hell out of you, man. Keep going.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Hey, thanks. Thanks, guys. And once again, just a big shout out to all the incredible men and women in uniform because there was obviously incredible firefighters, there was the police who were taking care of everything. We had National Guard protecting the neighborhoods from the looting. Just incredible. Those are the real heroes for sure who saved lives and houses and structures and businesses. And it's going to be a long rebuild like, like the devastation post campfire up there in paradise and poster fires in Santa Rosa and Redding and Maui, obviously. But a lot of love going out to anybody lost. Lost their homes and a lot of gratitude to everybody out there who's keeping us safe because there's so many incredible men and women who are putting their lives on the line in these crazy, crazy temperature fires and, and with the 80 to 100 mile an hour wind. So appreciate you guys. Chuck, love you, brother. And and your bro as well. Love seeing. Love seeing John as well. He's a great man.

[Pat McAfee]

You're putting him in retirement home so I hope you feel good about it. We appreciate you, man. We echo your sentiment completely. Obviously we're not out there, so we're not as close as to it, but thanks to all the people serving the community over there and I'm excited to watch the build back stronger. Right? Absolutely. Ladies and gentlemen. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Some of those photos, man.

[AJ Hawk]

Crazy.

[Pat McAfee]

Very crazy. All right, we appreciate you, ladies and gentlemen, four time NFL Aaron Rodgers. All right, let's get to a break on the other side. We will cover all the stories that we haven't hit yet across the entire sports world. And Chuck Pagano will be making his picks for the entire weekend. Let's go.

[Boston Connor]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

And for the national championship. Remember, he sucked on Thursday this year.

[Boston Connor]

Yep, he did.

[Pat McAfee]

But Saturdays, Sundays guy was great. That's what your words, not ours. We didn't know. Yeah. How about Mondays? How have you been on Mondays?

[Chuck Pagano]

Well, there was one recent deal I did that counted for like two or three, you said.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, yeah, of course he's been exact score. Ravens.

[Boston Connor]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

Ravens, Steelers 35 10. Ravens, Browns, Browns, Ravens, Browns. 18.

[AJ Hawk]

Last goscale.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I remember that exact score. That was fun.

[Chuck Pagano]

A lot of points.

[Pat McAfee]

But yeah, enough.

[Chuck Pagano]

Lucky. Very lucky.

[AJ Hawk]

Handout season.

[Pat McAfee]

Big time take handouts.

[AJ Hawk]

No, he did. He did. I think. I believe it was the second to last Thursday night game.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, the spread was changing. Yeah, I'd take that as well. Lions, Packers.

[AJ Hawk]

That's a hand.

[Pat McAfee]

Nah, it's a. It's a decisive gift.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, okay.

[Pat McAfee]

It's a vibes gift that was presented to Chuck and he took it.

[Boston Connor]

He did.

[Pat McAfee]

Especially with the way things were going.

[AJ Hawk]

Good wording.

[Pat McAfee]

35, 10. Is that is worth.

[AJ Hawk]

I mean, hey, look, that's.

[Chuck Pagano]

And you know what's funny?

[Pat McAfee]

People hate that. People actually bet that.

[Chuck Pagano]

You know what's funny? You. You shared that with me. That was really cool. Yes, I spent $5 and 30 cents.

[Pat McAfee]

Got like 835 or 900 bucks or something.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, good.

[Pat McAfee]

And. And he. I guess I didn't think about it. The people that tweeted and said they did it are like Chuck never gives an exact score. So whenever I heard it, it was just like. Ah. Might as well put some money on that. Hits home. Let's do it again. Let's do it again. Maybe hit all four games this weekend. Exact scores. That's the standard.

[AJ Hawk]

Could be a millionaire.

[Chuck Pagano]

Do you you know what the score of the Baltimore Buffalo game was in week four, I believe this year? Was it 35, 10?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Wait a minute. Are we getting nose to mentalist type situation? Let's get to a break. Freaking me out.

[AJ Hawk]

Played a Madden game last night. Ravens, Bills.

[Pat McAfee]

What's the score?

[AJ Hawk]

35, 10.

[Pat McAfee]

No.

[AJ Hawk]

Swear to God. Swear to God.

[Pat McAfee]

It's freaking me out.

[AJ Hawk]

Derrick Henry had three times.

[Ty Schmidt]

Simulation.

[Pat McAfee]

Holy.

[AJ Hawk]

Speaking of Axel Harris.

[Pat McAfee]

Axel Hawk versus sections. 35 wins, 10 losses.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Entire sections of stadiums. Think about that.

[AJ Hawk]

Vetter against toilets.

[Pat McAfee]

35 10. Had him early. Vetter buried it, tucked his shirt in, walked right out. Business has been handled. Deal with it.

[Boston Connor]

Took a massive shite this morning. Thought I lost 35 pounds. Turns out only lost 10.

[Chuck Pagano]

Holy God. Oh, good.

[Pat McAfee]

Holy hell.

[Chuck Pagano]

Crazy.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean any 35 references that you can just kind of come off from your morning that you had here.

[Ty Schmidt]

You know, my family tells me I should act like my age, which is 35, but I actually act like I'm 10.

[Pat McAfee]

All right.

[AJ Hawk]

I like that one too.

[Pat McAfee]

All things are kind of turning up one way.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's get to a break. I have an update. Daniel Karlovsky's kids team beat Gunner and Bow yesterday.

[AJ Hawk]

Last night, was it 35?

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Was it definitely 35?

[Pat McAfee]

I think it ended up being an eight point differential.

[Boston Connor]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

Or maybe a nine point differential. Remember, read the text to everybody.

[Boston Connor]

He did.

[Pat McAfee]

We're down one with six to go. They went on a 101 run. I said, Sweet, you won by eight. He said, or nine. And I said, well, I don't know how math works anymore. I don't think. And I said, congrats on the win. And they gave a fist pound back. Still don't know what the final score was, but I know it wasn't 35. 10.

[Chuck Pagano]

I was gonna say let's call him.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's call him up. We need to get an answer on this.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, we need to get an answer.

[Pat McAfee]

On a couple things because there's some math. Exactly. Who is he coaching?

[AJ Hawk]

No, like what was he doing dancing like that at Jeff Rod show?

[Pat McAfee]

It's true.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Oh, you're right.

[Pat McAfee]

You're not. That's the greatest place on earth. I saw Dan Orlovsky getting killed because this guy dancing.

[Dan Orlovsky]

No, what? Getting killed?

[Pat McAfee]

What do you mean?

[Dan Orlovsky]

The guy's a good dancer.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what the video is. Yeah, but if you've seen the remarks underneath, it was almost like a, like, hey, Barry, Dan Orlovsky. You know, there's a lot of people been doing that lately. Like, hey, use this as an opportunity to kill somebody. It's like, oh great. What was that person doing? Just hanging out, coaching their kids game.

[Boston Connor]

That's right.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's all they're doing.

[Pat McAfee]

And all of a sudden somebody that happens to be a basic looking white with some Hudson with a little Dano hair. Yep, it's over. Hey, let me provide another opportunity to kill a guy. There isn't enough. But here's another one. I'll tell you what, Dan deserved it. Yeah. That guy shouldn't look like him that much.

[Boston Connor]

He shouldn't.

[Pat McAfee]

That's on Dan.

[Boston Connor]

Dan did deserve that.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Shave your head, Dan.

[Chuck Pagano]

He brings people.

[Pat McAfee]

He tries. Yeah, he lives under the hoop. That's the thing. He lives under the hoop. Like he lives there. So every once in a while he's gonna Wemby.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, but every once in a while he's gonna get job Vince Carter. And it does, it does happen again. You know what he does? Gets right back in the paint.

[AJ Hawk]

Dusts off his paint.

[Chuck Pagano]

Oh, he never stays down.

[Pat McAfee]

You bury him 10 times, he'll give a wild take. 11 times, bingo. There's no stopping, no sound. Like he really wanted to coach. Did you hear that yesterday? It was like an interview. Interview. Whenever he was on.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

He was laying it out. I don't know what his contract status is in TV world, but, like, it felt like he was.

[Dan Orlovsky]

What was the unexpected doors subtweet that he put out? That's another. When you put that on to how he was speaking, you're like, okay, what's going on?

[AJ Hawk]

So annoying, man.

[Chuck Pagano]

Buyout's got to be nothing much. You fart that much on tv?

[Pat McAfee]

Let me provide another opportunity. Exactly. All right, let's get to a break. He did not answer. What's his deal? What's that all about? What's that?

[Chuck Pagano]

Quick shout out.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Of course.

[Chuck Pagano]

Yes. Constance.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Wait, is this. Is it January 16th.

[Chuck Pagano]

Sis lost her house.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, no.

[Chuck Pagano]

She lives in the palace. 40 years there.

[AJ Hawk]

Good. Shout out.

[Chuck Pagano]

So shout out to Constance Gumpy. If you want to say some bull crap.

[Pat McAfee]

That would be condolences.

[Chuck Pagano]

Right next door to Aaron, right there by Malibu.

[Pat McAfee]

We would like to let Connie know that we are so sorry that that happened to her and many others. To be clear, I think Connor and myself thought a positive thing was coming, like another birthday. A shout out usually isn't something. A bingo hall victory for the first time.

[Chuck Pagano]

Here's the positive, right?

[AJ Hawk]

She's getting 750 bucks from Joe Biden already.

[Chuck Pagano]

Already Moving forward, like, okay, look, we've got our lives, we've got our health, we got our kids. Life's good. Good. It's a material thing. You can rebuild. You can start over.

[Pat McAfee]

Connie, we love you.

[Boston Connor]

Good luck, Connie.

[Pat McAfee]

That's not an easy mindset. Not everybody's gonna be able to have that immediately, but that's why she's an absolute g. That's right. I do not envy anybody. There she is. Greatest sumo wrestling has ever had. Constance Pagano.

[Chuck Pagano]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

Domo regato. Constance Pagano. Ohio. Constance. Good morning. I believe Japanese do not touch on my mustache.

[Chuck Pagano]

Oh, that got us in trouble.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know what that means. Do not touch my mustache. Is that what it was? It sounded like they were saying, do not touch my mustache.

[Chuck Pagano]

You said sayonara, so I just started.

[AJ Hawk]

Sayingara that plays over there.

[Pat McAfee]

No, their language sounds nothing like ours.

[Boston Connor]

No.

[Ty Schmidt]

No, though.

[Pat McAfee]

At all.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah, I'd say.

[Pat McAfee]

And it reads nothing like ours either. Over there.

[Boston Connor]

No.

[Pat McAfee]

So you hear something that sounds like what you're saying. It's almost like what my 21 month old is doing now.

[Boston Connor]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

She makes the sounds of what the words are. All of them. Dropped the. No the other day. It was awesome. I've never seen. I've Never been more like proper usage right there. Yes. You know, I don't know if she knew what it was. Right. But she, you know, she's doing the sounds. That was very much what it was like over in Japan with Japanese. Because I was trying to embrace these people. They're not. They are not talkers outside their house.

[Boston Connor]

No.

[Pat McAfee]

It is a very quiet society. I was trying to really have a good time over there and embrace it and trying to talk. And I'm a communicator, I think. And the words were tough. The words were tough. But one of the translators sent me in there. I thought I was saying one thing. I was saying something else.

[AJ Hawk]

He gave you a bomb?

[Pat McAfee]

Well, no, because I'm an American in Japan, so that would. That's. That is still. That is.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, that doesn't play.

[Pat McAfee]

They gave us a lot of warnings actually. Do not go to here. There are still some. Do not go here. And obviously we had. Directly there. Had a great time. It was beautiful country, beautiful culture.

[Chuck Pagano]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Legitimately unbelievable. People are much nicer to us than I think they were telling us they were going to be to us. I think a lot of people were expecting them to not be in a. I. We got along well over there. I think in Japan, I think we made some real friends.

[Chuck Pagano]

You ever seen a place so, like, as many people that live there, clean and how clean and how much order there is. I mean, there is no BS going on and there's no clock. There's no cops. There's no. There's nobody. I mean, everybody just minds their own business. To your point about not talking, they had the mask on long before they were required. Right. Everybody was wearing them.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And you talk about new cops. Thank God, because Chuck kicked the door down in one of the bars. So. Coach. Yeah. I mean, we got out of there quickly. I don't think we earned any friends in that particular establishment, but we found another and we got along.

[Chuck Pagano]

Did we ever.

[Pat McAfee]

We found a few.

[Chuck Pagano]

I don't know, some sake.

[Pat McAfee]

A lot of sake. A lot of sake.

[Chuck Pagano]

Hey, quail eggs and sake.

[Pat McAfee]

That's. Yes, I believe.

[Chuck Pagano]

Talk about seeing some.

[Pat McAfee]

What's that, brother?

[Dan Orlovsky]

You drink saki?

[Pat McAfee]

Cold or hot?

[Dan Orlovsky]

I've had it before. Both ways.

[Pat McAfee]

Both. There's also a. A rattlesnake. Moonshine.

[Chuck Pagano]

Well, the. In those bottles.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Venom.

[Chuck Pagano]

That 100. Yeah. All those bottles had the snake in them.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Chuck Pagano]

Really wild.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it was wild. I mean, there was some wild over there. And I feel like they were taking advantage because we were dumb Americans, but we were. We Went on board with it. We had a great time. I'll go back.

[Chuck Pagano]

How about Conti? Had family there.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we met up with another. He's working in. In the stock market over there because it's 12 hours ahead. We're 16 hours ahead or something like that. So normally the Japanese market is a good indicator on what's going to happen in the United States market. So he was over there in Tokyo. I mean, it was crushing it. I feel like we learned a lot. He took us to a local sushi place. I mean, it was.

[Chuck Pagano]

That was good. We got good boozed up there.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we agree.

[Chuck Pagano]

The ride over, I think we had a train ride that took forever.

[Pat McAfee]

We got pretty up pretty much everywhere we were.

[AJ Hawk]

We should go.

[Pat McAfee]

We did our thing. Uso, which was great to see. All the military. The military families are living over there, which is a lot. We got a lot of people in Japan. We got an entire island in Japan down there. The families of those who are serving live in a completely backwards life. Feels like that USO trip is one where they're, like, actually appreciative that, like, American culture is there. You know, I think some USO tours you go on, they're not necessarily thrilled that they have to come meet. You know, they're in the middle of some. You know, we are not at necessarily. But this one was, like, a lot, I think, for the families, because it was like a piece of American culture was over there. Even the people that weren't Colts fans were, like, happy to see some American culture. And then as we were transporting to the next town or next city, we certainly wanted to. Wanted to say hello to the locals.

[Boston Connor]

Sure.

[Chuck Pagano]

Yes, we did.

[Pat McAfee]

And we did. We did.

[Chuck Pagano]

You got to get a feel for it.

[Pat McAfee]

Had to understand what the culture was. Don't know if I'm going to get back.

[Chuck Pagano]

Godzilla.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, Godzilla. Anthony Costanzo. You should have seen him over there. What's this one? Yeah, he's abnormal where we come from, too. And then we just kept it wrong. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who might be able to clarify some things, Dan Orlowski. Dan. How you doing, Bob? I'm great.

[Chuck Pagano]

How are you?

[Pat McAfee]

I'd be much better if you answer some questions. Thank you for taking the time here. It looks like you're in transport from one television show to the next. And we talked about you coaching in the NFL potentially tomorrow, next year. And then you chat about your coaching championship game last night. And I texted with you. I told the boys you said you were down one with six to go. Then you go on a 10, one run. And I said, oh, you win by eight. And then you said, or nine. And then we said, nonetheless, congratulations on a big time win. You guys stuck stuffed bow and gunner, how the Orlovsky boys play and how much did you actually win by? Because I don't think I understand the math equation enough.

[I]

Yeah, it wasn't a championship game. It was just undefeated versus undefeated.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, okay.

[I]

Seasons just kind of getting started. I don't think I. I don't think I said championship. I just said big game. No, it wasn't too. No, it didn't. I never said it was a championship game.

[Pat McAfee]

Kind of made us feel like it was definitely over.

[Ty Schmidt]

Champion.

[Pat McAfee]

Everybody kind of thought it was championship. I think. AJ you thought it was champion. Championship match. Yeah, Yeah, I did talk to table.

[I]

No, basketball is championship gaming. Like, they're early, James.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah, you're right. They don't play weekend tournaments. Yeah, that isn't a thing.

[Ty Schmidt]

That was a shirt and T shirt.

[I]

Well, it wasn't a weekend. It was a Wednesday.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, but that's where the championship is because it was decided on a weekend, obviously. So midweek, more eyes on it.

[I]

Some success. He had some good reverse layups and.

[Boston Connor]

Some steels up and unders.

[I]

Yeah, yeah, that was. That was his go to move. It was frustrating.

[Pat McAfee]

Gunner.

[I]

Gunner had some good shots, but I do think defensively as a team, we did a solid job. Gunner, my son's. Noah, stunk. No, he wasn't. He wasn't strong enough with the ball.

[Pat McAfee]

Come on, Noah. That's.

[I]

In my opinion, he played hard. He played hard for moments, but I think he could play harder. Hunter played. Hunter played his rear end off 3 and D. Guy played very good defensively.

[AJ Hawk]

That's your boy.

[Pat McAfee]

I think the.

[I]

I. I don't. It was either 42 to 33 or 43 to 32.

[Pat McAfee]

It's one of those. Okay, well, that would either be 11 or 9. Neither of them would be 8, which is the math that you gave me immediately after the game. But nonetheless, we are very happy. How about Hendricks and Ari? Ari put up a couple good shots.

[Boston Connor]

Ari could hoop.

[I]

Now that kid could hoop. The only downside is we knew it. He's got to work on his perimeter game. He's got to work on his perimeter game, but he can get to the right. He can get to the rack. Couple Euro steps by him.

[Pat McAfee]

Hendrix.

[I]

Hendrix was who I thought he was. Just plays really, really good as advertised. Muscles to the ball. Not a scoring threat though, right now. Not a Scoring threat but plays his payoff well.

[Pat McAfee]

All these boys are obviously going to get better because of good coaching. After yesterday's announcement to the world that you're definitely going to get into coaching next year if you get the opportunity. Has any more people called you and what are your thoughts on it? Jeez, dude, you came in such a position with these, man. That's journalism. Hashtag.

[I]

I have had one more person reach out since that moment. I haven't spoke to them. It was just a brief text message and I have to call them.

[AJ Hawk]

Brady, I still.

[I]

I still feel the same way.

[Pat McAfee]

What they say, hey, man, I heard your offensive playbook is going to be all the good plays and none of the bad plays. Why doesn't everybody do that? You want to come to join our team? Is that what they said verbatim?

[I]

No, they just said, hey, are you seriously entertaining coaching? And I responded back with, yeah, it's something I'm interested in.

[Pat McAfee]

And.

[I]

And they said, can we talk today? And I said, sure.

[Pat McAfee]

All right. Excited to hear how that goes. Hopefully you'll keep us updated the world. You'll subtweet your way through it. Hopefully. And congrats to your lovesky boys. Noah, let's tighten it up. Come on. Lot of season left, brother.

[AJ Hawk]

That's pissed at you, dude.

[Pat McAfee]

Hunter, way to go.

[I]

I gotta get Noah. I gotta get Noah to play hard all the time. He's still like. He's still kind of just at moments does. And at moments, I'm like, what are we doing, dude?

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, you're the teaching or allowing it.

[AJ Hawk]

That's right. Smack him around.

[Ty Schmidt]

Get mental.

[Pat McAfee]

Explode.

[Chuck Pagano]

I said, don't. That's part of your resume.

[Pat McAfee]

That's right. That you heard Chuck. Chuck's former coach. Coach.

[I]

I told him last night during a play where he didn't do what I, you know, kind of had stressed. He didn't get on the ground for a loose ball. And I looked at him, I said, either get on the ground or get off the court.

[Chuck Pagano]

I like that.

[Pat McAfee]

What did he do? He crawled off the court, rolled off the court or did he stay on? He stayed on. Or.

[Chuck Pagano]

He's.

[I]

He's pretty good with, like, that stuff.

[Pat McAfee]

He's. Don't.

[I]

I can't do that to Hunter because Hunter will, you know, still kind of get too emotional about it. He's pretty good. Like, all right. You know, he gets into the right mindset after that.

[Pat McAfee]

You gotta. You gotta coach each person individually.

[Boston Connor]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

You gotta be able to reach everyone. I appreciate that. Hopefully more people will understand that. You're ready to coach because last night, Bow and Gunner had no shot. They knew it. They knew it going in. Yep. And there's a lot of season left. Congrats on still being undefeated. Even though you misled us all to think it was a championship, we're still happy about an early season Wednesday win. Boom. For your boys, ladies and gentlemen. What's that?

[I]

Hey, tell D. But. D. But just texted me saying, wear a seat belt.

[AJ Hawk]

You should go point back.

[I]

I'm not driving.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm not driving.

[AJ Hawk]

You can. So what? You can kill everybody if you don't have a seat belt in the car.

[Pat McAfee]

Not you, but you could in your own car. Yeah, I don't know how you would do it because their body flew up.

[Dan Orlovsky]

And chopped the driver's head off.

[Pat McAfee]

Still died.

[AJ Hawk]

Break everybody's neck like a missile.

[Pat McAfee]

Akush. Akush. Very thankful for the seat belt. Now, granted, you can actually see the seat belt welt across his entire stomach around his body. And then you see bruising. Almost looks internally.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, Bad.

[Pat McAfee]

Bad bruising around the rest of his stomach because a drop drunk driver smoked him last week whenever he got home. Back to Phoenix. Aq, airbags, the whole thing. Yeah. And it looks nasty. It looks very, very nasty. I've never been a seatbelt wearer. Okay. Never. Because when I was younger, one of my friend's uncles died in a crash because he couldn't get the seat belt off. It was actually melted. It was a fire. So, like, I heard that. And then every time I hear somebody be like, well, seatbelt saves your lives. I'm like, well, I actually heard.

[Boston Connor]

I know a guy.

[Pat McAfee]

There is is a situation where it was the complete opposite that happened. So I always thought about that. But then, like, you know, you hear these stories. Like AQ shares a story and then somebody else shares a story, and then something happens at a. Like a game day. Person has a story. And it's like now with my daughter, I put that thing on, and every time I put it on, it's like. Like it's first time in my life I put it on. I always go, yeah, I'm wearing a seat belt. I always feel like I'm an adult now. You can't do it, obviously. Obviously. All right, we understand. We understand. You trust the driver, I guess. Trust the driver.

[I]

I'm bad at it, too. I'm bad at it.

[Chuck Pagano]

I'm bad at it.

[Pat McAfee]

Me too. I actually had it in and around the back of the seat, so I didn't even have to feel it. And I didn't have to hear the beeping. That's why I used to be. Now every time.

[AJ Hawk]

Click it up.

[Pat McAfee]

Click it or take it, brother. I don't love that. That became a rule. I don't think they should be looking for more reasons to pull people over.

[Boston Connor]

I don't think that's a thing anymore.

[Chuck Pagano]

It isn't.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah. A secondary ticket.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, good. But I'm sure they can find a primary reason to get you on this.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Like a different primary now.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, sure.

[AJ Hawk]

Phones. Phones are distracted.

[Pat McAfee]

Driving is a big topic of conversation.

[I]

Not good at that either.

[Chuck Pagano]

I'm curious.

[Pat McAfee]

I ride motorcycle. You know, what are you. So I see like you actually see into cars and it's like if you're in a two lane and you can see in the car phone, it's like. Like we're either gunning this by them or we are. We are not gonna. You could tell like when people are. I want to say like a ticking time, but almost.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Leaning, you know? And it's like we do got to get better as a society so we can all continue to enjoy all the benefits of technology that we have. So let's continue. Let's all it up and let's stop drunk driving. Okay. Let's wear our seatbelts so we stay alive for our family, if that's how you feel. And let's enjoy this life. All right, coach. We appreciate you, man.

[I]

All right, boys.

[Pat McAfee]

All right. Dude. I'll throw a shock at your way too, bro.

[AJ Hawk]

Why were you dancing at that show earlier?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Jennifer Hudson show.

[AJ Hawk]

What were you doing? Pretty good, though.

[Dan Orlovsky]

You're good, man.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

You got moved.

[I]

Is that that video that's everyone tacking.

[Pat McAfee]

Me in type thing? Yeah, yeah. They're not just tagging. They're also you're grooving, brother.

[AJ Hawk]

You are.

[Pat McAfee]

You got good knee bend. I'll say.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Respect that out of you.

[Chuck Pagano]

Do we have that?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I'm sure we can pull it up.

[AJ Hawk]

What are you doing?

[Chuck Pagano]

I missed it.

[Pat McAfee]

Done in time.

[Chuck Pagano]

Was it a typical look at the knee bend.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Your hips feel great.

[AJ Hawk]

No, go earlier. Go get the whole thing.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan Orlovsky]

There's a little bit more to it.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Let me hear it. Oh, wow. They are good for you.

[AJ Hawk]

Daniel Orlowski.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Hey, team. He. I think, I don't know if he was necessarily pumped that he was going to do this. Didn't look at the camera one time. Kind of stayed away from it a little shine away, but absolutely killed it. There's Dano on the way out.

[Ty Schmidt]

NFL live every day.

[Chuck Pagano]

Jazz hands Right.

[Pat McAfee]

In the Jennifer Hudson show.

[Michael Lombardi]

Hey.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey.

[Chuck Pagano]

Oh, hey.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, Dan. Think about adding. Go ahead.

[I]

We don't know who that is.

[AJ Hawk]

He's an actor from Abbott Elementary, I believe.

[Pat McAfee]

Great. Show's a good one. That's got Joel on it.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Abbott elementary.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Joel.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, Joel's. Hit it, Joel.

[Ty Schmidt]

No, there's only three Joel's. There's Joel. Joel Clatt, Joel Austin, and then Joel.

[Boston Connor]

Joel McHale.

[Pat McAfee]

That.

[Ty Schmidt]

Bingo. Thank you.

[Pat McAfee]

And he's on Avid Elementary. He's not God.

[AJ Hawk]

He's a similar type of show, though.

[Pat McAfee]

I love Joel McHale. He was on for Washington on game day.

[Boston Connor]

Correct.

[Pat McAfee]

Came in full body paint.

[AJ Hawk]

Dog.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[I]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

And it picked up a dog. I think. Not his dog.

[Boston Connor]

No, the husk.

[AJ Hawk]

The husky.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And held. And they got paint on dog legend. I enjoy. So he's not in Abbott.

[Boston Connor]

He is not.

[Pat McAfee]

Who is an Abbott Elementary?

[Boston Connor]

Zach Gregor is Quinta Brunson. It's won a bunch of awards, so. Yeah, it's. No, Nobody you would know. Oh, have you seen Parent Trap with Lindsay?

[Pat McAfee]

I have. I have seen that.

[Boston Connor]

You know Jesse, the one who is like Dennis Quaid's, like, Housekeeper.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes.

[Boston Connor]

She's in that.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, there you go. Parent Trap's a good movie. Housekeeper has a great role together. Very important role in that entire movie is the housekeeper. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

There she is. Lisa and Walter.

[Pat McAfee]

Yep. Bingo. That is her huge role in Parent Trick.

[Boston Connor]

Without a doubt.

[Pat McAfee]

I do remember Walter. So there actually isn't a white guy in the show?

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, Chris Perfetti.

[AJ Hawk]

The guy. Chris Perfetti.

[Pat McAfee]

That's not so. I was way off. I mean, I wasn't even close to guessing somebody in this particular.

[Boston Connor]

No, no. Joel McHale does have a show on Fox, though. This is an NBC show, though.

[Pat McAfee]

Of course it is. Dana, why don't you get into acting instead of coaching? We need you out there, especially with those dance moves. We appreciate you, man.

[I]

Not happen later.

[Pat McAfee]

Are you on NFL Live today or we got more tick tocks to make.

[I]

NFL Live and then Sports center at 6.

[Pat McAfee]

All right.

[Chuck Pagano]

Well, hell yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Hang loose, bro.

[AJ Hawk]

Crush it, bro.

[Pat McAfee]

Throw that thing at you.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

This bro certainly had us believing that was a championship game last night.

[Boston Connor]

Without a doubt.

[Pat McAfee]

Only reason why we asked about Gunner and Bo and Hendrix and Ari is because we wanted another championship lineup. Yeah, sorry. Now we're following the season with these boys. Exactly. No one Hunter needs to tighten it up. Hey, let's win an addie, boys. I don't even know if that's possible at that age and what level they're at. But let's win this thing. I'm pulling for him. Bowen Gunner come back stronger if I know anything about him.

[AJ Hawk]

No doubt.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. A lot of season left for Bowen Gunn.

[Chuck Pagano]

Based on what he's get on the floor, get off.

[Boston Connor]

I like that. Based on what he said about Hendrix. That kid's gonna be a wrestler.

[AJ Hawk]

Defense.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah. He ain't gonna be a basketball player so he should have fun while he can.

[Pat McAfee]

They're still trying to learn their way.

[Boston Connor]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, basketball will certainly teach him something that'll help him in whatever sport he goes into. Or maybe he becomes goes to work an assassin.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, he could.

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe. We don't know.

[Dan Orlovsky]

That is we know Ari's the best player on the team. We know that Dan keeps shading him for some reason won't like we have to ask him to keep bringing him up.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, I think it's cuz he and Hunter potentially play similar roles on the team. But Ari. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

€ yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Name like that going to go.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, let's get to a break. We're back on the other side. Chuck Pagana will pick all the games this weekend. Football. I'm excited to hear it. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

This should be good.

[Chuck Pagano]

I'm excited. I've done a lot of research.

[Pat McAfee]

Can't him behind our stack of papers. But he's got a bunch of papers too. Full notebook. How many notebooks this year?

[Chuck Pagano]

I think four.

[AJ Hawk]

Chase for a 500 record.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Come on.

[Chuck Pagano]

Hey, you know what question I wanted to ask Dan?

[Pat McAfee]

Jeez Louise. What's that?

[Chuck Pagano]

And I'll ask you boys question. Do you think the text was from a guy that's currently employed as a head coach or one that's possibly Mark Davis?

[Dan Orlovsky]

I assume Mark Davis was the text to Dan.

[Pat McAfee]

Call Dan. Call Dan. I'll dare him back. Let's ask him that question. That's a good question. Yeah. Because somebody trying to put a. I don't know, but somebody putting a staff together to pitch the staff.

[Chuck Pagano]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Or somebody have a hole in their staff.

[Chuck Pagano]

My guess would be one of the. One of the newbies or maybe somebody that's going to lose a guy do a job.

[Pat McAfee]

That's the only two options, right. Hey, Tanner Lovsky is back. Hey, Chuck has a question for you. You can obviously choose not to answer it.

[Chuck Pagano]

So the text that you got, I was just curious was that phone a coach that's currently employed as a head coach or one that possibly is going to be employed as a head coach.

[I]

He would be one that has the potential to become Employed as one.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so they're like pitching staffs. Trying to see what the staff would be. Have you gotten messages from people that have a staff? Maybe lose a position? Coach.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Dude, yes.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, good.

[Boston Connor]

I'll sublime it in Wisconsin, potentially.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, we appreciate you ladies, gentlemen. I can get you more.

[Chuck Pagano]

Before you make that decision, make sure you make that decision. Call me.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, well, he's gone. He don't want to hear it. Coach. You got 36 years of coaching football. Why the would he want your advice? Just hung up on your face.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Dan Orlovsky]

What if it was Lambo, though? What if it's Lambo trying to see if he wants to be the OC in North Carolina?

[Ty Schmidt]

I know they respect each other.

[Chuck Pagano]

They got one. He hired Freddy Kitchens.

[Pat McAfee]

Who?

[Dan Orlovsky]

Oh, he did?

[Pat McAfee]

Did they retain.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Retained him?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Chuck Pagano]

Retained Freddie, I think, at North Carolina. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, man. I don't think he's the OC though.

[Ty Schmidt]

No.

[Pat McAfee]

@ least I thought I read that.

[AJ Hawk]

He ain't coming to new it.

[Pat McAfee]

Who?

[AJ Hawk]

Dan Orlovsky. I heard you just say Josh McDaniels.

[Pat McAfee]

That ain't happening now. Well, I'm talking about down in North Carolina. I said to Lombardi, Josh McDaniels potentially going to be available depending upon what happens up in New England or other places. I didn't even know they kept Freddy Kitchens down there. Once again, there's me just saying something disrespectful without knowing it.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, I don't think he's OC either.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, good, good.

[Chuck Pagano]

He's big. Big fella, too.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, he's.

[Chuck Pagano]

I don't know how big Miles is. I didn't know who Miles Teller was. I had to look him up.

[Pat McAfee]

So I learned about him on Top Gun. But he's a child star, I guess, from way back. I did not know. I didn't watch any of the game, like, which I didn't play any games. You know, I didn't do that.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I don't know if he's. Is he a child? Was he a child? Yeah, I mean, he was in movies when he was young, I guess, but I don't think he was on, like, Nickelodeon, was he?

[Boston Connor]

No, but like, as like a teenager, he was a Mickey Mouse clubhouse. Project X was probably like.

[Dan Orlovsky]

That's the one.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah. He played Miles Teller.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, he played himself. But he wasn't like a big time superstar at the time.

[Pat McAfee]

No, but he was in a lot of that. What was the one he talked about?

[AJ Hawk]

That awkward moment?

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan Orlovsky]

He mentions that movie all the time.

[Boston Connor]

I've never seen mid-20s, late 20s.

[Pat McAfee]

Who watched that movie? Was that a kid's movie? No.

[Ty Schmidt]

When we were in, like, probably after college.

[Pat McAfee]

So he's not a child star?

[Boston Connor]

No.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Is it a rom com?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Yes, I'd say rom. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

About him.

[Chuck Pagano]

What's a rom com?

[Pat McAfee]

Romantic comedy. You don't know?

[Dan Orlovsky]

Wait, what Matt McConaughey did for 10.

[Ty Schmidt]

Years, that awkward moment was 2014.

[Pat McAfee]

Vince Vaughn, Matthew McConaughey, those types of things.

[Chuck Pagano]

I thought that was like.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, what'd you think it was?

[Pat McAfee]

Porno think exactly. Whipping dick around there. That's what you think. You think he's the only fans?

[Boston Connor]

That is one of the gags.

[Chuck Pagano]

I'm not gonna say anything bad.

[AJ Hawk]

Learned a lot about.

[Chuck Pagano]

Certainly not Miles Teller. I don't want to be walking through a deal with a neck brace on.

[Pat McAfee]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Listen. He would have looked bad if he fought a guy in a neck brace.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Especially after what was coming out of Hawaii. I knew that.

[AJ Hawk]

And if he fought Joe Pagano in a neck brace, geez.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

It'd be a tough look.

[Pat McAfee]

Could you imagine Chris Pratt and Miles Teller, though, just both fighting me at that moment? I mean, I walked in, it could have been a more worse time and group of celebrities of all time.

[AJ Hawk]

I was on Chris. Chris Pratt was, like, trading for the terminal list, too.

[Pat McAfee]

And that was the first thing I'd seen in Chris Pratt was Jurassic World. Then I watched the.

[AJ Hawk]

The Terminal.

[Pat McAfee]

Terminal list with Jack Carr, and I'm like, wow, I love this guy. He's the greatest human of all time. I wish I'd go back in time. That's all me. Didn't watch a lot of movies, didn't watch a lot of shows. Book's not really my thing either, so I'm learning as we go. A lot of good people out there.

[AJ Hawk]

Chris Pratt's great.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes. He's a great actor. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Tomorrow War. Also a great one on Amazon.

[Pat McAfee]

What was the one where he was here in Indiana Parks and Rec.

[Chuck Pagano]

That's.

[AJ Hawk]

That was his start.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

And he's, like, the best part of that show.

[Pat McAfee]

Absolutely. He was the. He was homeless, right? Didn't they say he was homeless?

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, he said for a part.

[Boston Connor]

Parts of it.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

He lived in a hole for a.

[AJ Hawk]

Little jovial fat guy.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, in real life. Yeah. He was in Hawaii. Just like, living in, like, a van on the beach down there.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And it costs a lot of money to get to Hawaii. So you make that decision to do that. Just kind of not really doing much.

[Boston Connor]

No. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Your life. You were becoming superstar.

[Boston Connor]

He worked at Bubba Gump and like kept making. He was a waiter and he kept making some girl laugh and she was like a big time, like, talent exec in la. And she was like, hey, you should leave here and move to la.

[Pat McAfee]

And that's all she wrote.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, legit.

[Pat McAfee]

Congrats to Chris Pratt. Sorry for disrespecting Jurassic World. I think you watched it, you knew where I was coming from.

[AJ Hawk]

I think that actually happened. I don't think he's in a new one.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I'm not doing that again.

[Dan Orlovsky]

He's married to Arnold's daughter.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Script was too good.

[AJ Hawk]

He's a Schwarzenegger.

[Pat McAfee]

Really?

[AJ Hawk]

They have a kid.

[Pat McAfee]

How's Arnold? I saw him walking the other day.

[AJ Hawk]

Cancel the super commercial with all State or State Farm.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, yeah. Cuz everything that's going on. Let's get to a break. Aaron was starting to dive into that.

[Aaron Rodgers]

It was.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, there's a couple. I'm not even going to get into that diet with that being said.

[Chuck Pagano]

I've been listening to all of it for the last three, four days coming out of there.

[Ty Schmidt]

Bill Bird did it a bit last night.

[Chuck Pagano]

It's a lot with leadership out there.

[Pat McAfee]

It's crazy. Well, it's just like when Covid happened. Like your local positions, like back in the day, Mayor, were you taking care of potholes? Yeah, some other. In most cities now, I'm not talking about LA. Vastly different. Obviously LA's got a lot going on, but in most cities it's like, what are you normally dealing with on dayday? Let's cut ribbon here. Let's do some initiatives for our schooling, build a field, let's build a house, maybe a shelter, have, let's do that type. And then covet happened and now the spotlight was on. Now local leadership meant more than ever. And I think a lot of people saw a lot of things and were like, well, how is this happening? And then here this takes place and it's like, well, how's this? I don't. Every time, seemingly there's been a lot of people that have failed to test and when it comes to that particular thing. But then we got to remember there's probably some people somewhere that do not get highlighted, that are doing great work, that are in public service even in LA right now, as they're continuing to try to figure it all out. So let's remember there's always good in everything. Even though there's always gonna be assholes. We have to remember that in life. You know, some people think we're the assholes.

[Michael Lombardi]

Sure.

[Dan Orlovsky]

It probably way more good. There's way more good than terrible, but the terrible ones just stick out.

[Pat McAfee]

More negativity hogs the publicity. But let's never forget that there's heroes that walk amongst us. For every bad thing, there's somebody good or group of people good trying to combat it. That's always happening. But this one is always going to be talked about more. We're lucky to be alive. Let's never forget it. We thank everybody that runs into the dangers as opposed to running away from it. Football is wonderful. That's A.J. hawk. The toxic tables here at Boston. Connor. And that's high Schmidt. One half of the Hammer Dad Cowboys. AP ton is here. Are you worried about your AP votes officially being released to the public and the decisions that you made, the careers that you potentially altered, pal?

[Ty Schmidt]

No, no. I did the work. I did my due diligence. I feel really good about everything.

[Pat McAfee]

I like that.

[AJ Hawk]

Stand by it.

[Pat McAfee]

That does strong sob.

[AJ Hawk]

Sob.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's go to the other half of the Hammer. Dad Cowboys. Bubba Gumpino. Gumpy. How you feeling pal? All is well. Great day to be alive. National championship on Monday. Divisional round over the next couple days. This is a great time to be a football fan.

[Chuck Pagano]

Juiced up.

[Pat McAfee]

How about the Dolphins? We stink. It is what it is. It's next year is. I said it this year. But next year is officially make or break. If you don't make the playoffs, you don't win a playoff game. Mike McDaniel will be gone. Two will possibly gone. It'll be a start all over again. There's a chance that that's the same thing with the Colts. There's a chance. Not 100% sure, but there's a chance that it is a make or break year. And you would think that that would have happened already a few different times, but now it feels like we are definitely in one of those. A man who used to be the head coach of The Indianapolis Colts, 36 years in the football coaching world, 18 in college. College 18. The NFL. Chuck Pago is here. Chuck, the coaching cycle is obviously. Is it one of high anxiety for people or is this great opportunity you think if you're a coach sitting around the NFL right now, as far as.

[Chuck Pagano]

Like, if you're one of the guys that's potentially got one of these jobs or you're out of work and you're trying to get a.

[Pat McAfee]

So Dan Orlovsky right there said that somebody who's potentially putting together a staff.

[Chuck Pagano]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

Has potentially reached out to him, see if he would would like to be a part of it or whatever. And they're going to talk today and more. How many different people at the quarterback position is a head coach potentially sending texts to to find out how many quarterback coaches they have? They're just trying to get a sense and a feel of, hey, if I was to get a job, would you come with me? What is the likelihood of that?

[Chuck Pagano]

Part of the selling point when you go in to interview for these jobs is one of the biggest factors is like, who's going to be your oc, who's going to be your dc? If you're not necessarily head coach, that's going to call one side of it. You're a defensive guy or an offensive guy. So you're gonna have to have a list that you've put together and you've had a list of names and people that you've worked with, some that you haven't, but you've vetted a ton of people, and you need to go in there with probably three or four names at each spot because you're obviously like, you've got A, you've got B, you got C, you got D, and that's. That's coordinator spots, special teams assistants, you know, every spot on defense, every position, you know, spot on offense. So because you're going to have to go in and sell yourself, you're going to have to go in and sell your vision, your identity, what your culture is going to look like, all that kind of stuff. But then, okay, who's the staff? Who's going to be, you know, if you're. If you're a defensive guy, you're going into Chicago. The main thing that Warren and Poles and those guys are going to want to know is like, okay, who's the oc, who's the quarterback coach, and who's going to get this dude, okay. To where we need him, need them to be?

[Pat McAfee]

We would hope that's what they're looking for. We don't know if that's the case. It is the Chicago Bears. True, true. No offense to Chicago Bears, but I think Chicago Bears fans understand that that is a very reasonable question to ask at this standpoint. At Viva Lozito. Is that accurate? Very accurate, yes. Yeah. We would hope that that was potentially be what they're looking at, but they might get wowed by something else. You never know. Chicago, they're asking around.

[AJ Hawk]

I mean, they wanted to interview Marcus Freeman.

[Pat McAfee]

They did.

[AJ Hawk]

You know, they want to do all this. Cool. Any stuff. I saw they did David Shaw the other day.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, really? I like David Shaw, obviously had a great run up there at Stanford, I believe. And then you know Marcus Freeman near Chicago. Yeah, a lot of Irish in Chicago. Right? You know, potentially locational type thing. But also maybe Marcus Freeman's agent.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, yeah. Which is also weird.

[Pat McAfee]

Smart.

[Dan Orlovsky]

That'd be smart.

[Pat McAfee]

Marcus Freeman just signed a four year extendo. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Big old this year.

[Pat McAfee]

Not sure if you guys heard about Big Mike last night ate about 72 ounces of steak after his interview with the Bears. Okay. With by himself or it was family style. But he took the whole steak down himself. Okay. It was family. Who was all there? All Bears brass. Okay. So after the interview, let's go get. Let's go get a steak. And Big Mike says, sounds good to me. And he walks over there and he cleans out the family style. The spread out. Yeah, they had it chopped up a plate in front of everybody. Hey, let's go ahead and pass that around. That's mine. He me. That's all. I'm a bear. Yeah, that's how we're doing around here. You want a guy who wants to eat a steak, right? That's what we're looking for. He impressed the brass by that. Yes. Yeah. The brass were impressed by the steak eating. Yes, man. This guy's a real carnivore, man. Hire him.

[AJ Hawk]

Maybe that's why they've stuck for so long. Hey, this guy can eat a bunch of steak.

[Chuck Pagano]

He's Caleb. You think Caleb was impressed? Because to me, that's the guy that calling the shots right now and what he wants.

[Pat McAfee]

You think Caleb Williams is calling the shots at Chicago?

[Chuck Pagano]

Well, you saw the podcast he was on, right? The St. Brown brothers podcast, where he's talking about this, that and the other. What he's looking for. No, he's laying in bed with his head up against the pillow on the backboard of what? I mean, like his posture.

[Pat McAfee]

Chuck.

[Ty Schmidt]

QB1.

[Pat McAfee]

Like, can we pull that, please? I've not seen that. Can we pull. I've not seen this.

[Chuck Pagano]

He's laid out. Out like, you know, pillows like he just got out of. Damn. Like he's still in bed. It's three and a half.

[Pat McAfee]

He just got done working out. He's in between two of these three days. Maybe he's getting better.

[Boston Connor]

You don't know what time they filmed it.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. He also doesn't know what time it is because all he is is in between first workout and third workout.

[Chuck Pagano]

That's all they asked him. What do you want? What are you looking for in the next Head coach.

[Pat McAfee]

And he gave an answer.

[AJ Hawk]

He basically said.

[Chuck Pagano]

Gave a big answer.

[AJ Hawk]

He said Ben Johnson, essentially.

[Pat McAfee]

So this is kind of the thing because I remember in Hard Knocks, remember he was telling Roma Dunze how he we wanted the routes run and Keenan, I need you to do this. And I'm like, that's how an NFL quarterback's supposed to act? Yes. Feel like it's a little early for that. Do you even know the off? Like, do you even know where you want this person? How do you know that's where you want this person? You don't even know the. You don't even know the offense yet. So I thought, wow, this guy's massively confident. This guy knows what he wants. Or dumb this guy's. Which Charlie could be the case. We don't know yet. We don't know yet. But I think there's a lot of him, like studying how others act, you know, how like other quarterbacks act on his phone. I think he has his goals and he's to chase Tom Brady. So he watches how Tom Brady maybe acted at the end of his career or Aaron Rodgers acted at like the end of his career or these guys that he has mass Peyton Manning at the end of his career as opposed to like what it is to get to that point. I personally, that's what I felt like I was watching whenever I was seeing the way he was acting off the field. And then I thought, well, maybe this guy's more professional than anybody else ever been because he's the highest paid nil guy of all time. Remember he was starting a fund. Yeah, he was starting a, an investment fund. And, and he was telling like all these things. I was watching, like this guy's acting like he's in his 18th year in the league already.

[Chuck Pagano]

That, that's, that's he wanted part ownership.

[Pat McAfee]

Allegedly. We don't know if he said that. That came from the family. Allegedly. What their sources with the and whole thing. But then you see how the season goes and then you hear how things are being said and how it all unravels. It's like I think he potentially got a nice little wake up call potentially to what the NFL is, what the NFL football style is, what professional football. As he goes forward. Then you tell me that he gives this answer on what he wants for the head coach. I guess it's 3 minutes and 41 seconds, so we're definitely not running that. But the fact that he gave a 221 second answer answer on what he wants as a head coach. This guy's decisive. He knows he's decisive. He knows what he's looking for. I think a lot of people would say, you don't know. Okay, you know, you don't know. You don't know. I think a lot of people would say, football.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, Football.

[Pat McAfee]

People would say, hey, you don't know. So, like, Bears know, you know? No, that's the counterpoint. I don't know. You know, I don't know. In the clip though, too, he also says, like, he says he would like an offensive mind. He would want a young guy. He would want someone that could stick with him for like 10, 15 years. He never really says Ben, but obviously, like, with Amon Rob there, he like, cues at it, but through the whole thing, like, he says, selfishly, I would want this, but the team probably wants something else. Got it. Okay.

[Chuck Pagano]

And he ended it with. Okay, so he goes, Ben Johnson. Yeah, if that happened. Yeah, but then if it's not. No, it is what it is.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, that is what he said.

[Pat McAfee]

Chuck, you're so mad about this. It sounds like you are not very thrilled about this particular interview.

[Chuck Pagano]

This is the face of the fan franchise. You're. You're that dude. So you have to understand the responsibility that comes with that. And it's not. The response is just not going on the st. Brown brother pod.

[Pat McAfee]

It's good.

[AJ Hawk]

It's.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Good show.

[Pat McAfee]

Good show. I appreciate that.

[Chuck Pagano]

I love those two dudes. I was on it one time earlier this. This this year.

[Pat McAfee]

Whoa.

[Chuck Pagano]

So must have done a hell of a job because it was one and done.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Chuck Pagano]

And I love the same problem.

[Pat McAfee]

There's a lot of podcasts that are like that, that just once you're a guest, you know, you kind of move on. You were on it Chuck Pagano episode there with the Aman Ross St. Brown brothers. Excited to. Excited to listen. What's the other?

[Chuck Pagano]

It's just they just had me on a little deal, you know, a bet deal. Like give them prop bets.

[Pat McAfee]

Their dad.

[Boston Connor]

Their dad is.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, yeah, those guys, these guys were.

[Chuck Pagano]

Doing squats, like, at an age like.

[Dan Orlovsky]

You'Re not an Olympian too.

[Pat McAfee]

Hard worker. Yeah. I like the traits that you're looking for. Got him. Feels like they got him. Does Caleb. We shall see.

[Boston Connor]

He also, Caleb did get duped by the fake Ben Johnson. Texting him, saying, like, hey, just going to let you know I'm going to take the job. And Caleb fell for it hook, line and sinker.

[Chuck Pagano]

See what Karma. Karma's real. You know, just. Just shut up and work.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, is the Bears 36 years as a football coach. Chuck Magano standing at an age of what? You tell me. How old are you?

[Chuck Pagano]

64.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Shut up and work. Is his take on the entire situation. I think there's probably a lot of people.

[Chuck Pagano]

I'm all for guys having a platform.

[Pat McAfee]

Agreed.

[Chuck Pagano]

And using it. But when it becomes a distraction to the head coach and every. Every part of the organization and front off Whoever Virginia McCaskey, she don't. She's 102 years old. She don't need to hear that.

[Pat McAfee]

She can't. She's here for sure. She was dialed into this one.

[Boston Connor]

It's not even that.

[Chuck Pagano]

Yes, she is.

[AJ Hawk]

You've been in there. Is it as big as a dump dumpster fire as it seems? Because like it has for quite some time. Felt like an absolute show.

[Chuck Pagano]

Get the right leader in there and you got yourself something. It's one of the most. I mean they started playing ball there. It was freaking Curly Lambo and George. How.

[AJ Hawk]

Just completely. Completely irrelevant to what I'm asking. Is it a complete in there right now and when you were there or.

[Pat McAfee]

No, no, just not good at football.

[Chuck Pagano]

You got to make like good decisions at. At certain. You know, every.

[Pat McAfee]

Every day.

[AJ Hawk]

I mean, is there organizational alignment, as we have said the last few times regarding team.

[Chuck Pagano]

They have a president, I think in Warren, they have a general manager in polls, they're looking for a head coach. So when you look at ownership and you look at president, you look at, you know, general manager, those things you. You've got the pillars in place now. The right pillars. We're going to find out.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. So no, Kevin Warren's an interesting cat. I assume he's had to do something to get the gigs that he gets.

[AJ Hawk]

Feng shui. He's a master.

[Pat McAfee]

That was amazing on Hard Knocks. I did appreciate listening to the former Big Ten commissioner lay out how Sweets should have. Because he watched Bar Rescue with John Taffer.

[Chuck Pagano]

Correct.

[Pat McAfee]

A couple times.

[AJ Hawk]

Which would be a good.

[Chuck Pagano]

These.

[Pat McAfee]

Not a bad.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I mean he is a bad teacher. Not a Chapper's the guy to let you know.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. So need to open this up. We got a funnel in here. You know, bad energy, bad vibes. I. Hey, that show Bar Rescue got me through a couple training camps. That and Pawn Stars just binging right through them. What a run. What a run both those shows had. What a run.

[AJ Hawk]

You're still watching Squid Game.

[Pat McAfee]

It's been tough. It's been tough for me to get going on.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Is that season two?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I never finished. I watched a couple episodes of the first one.

[Pat McAfee]

So the issue I'm having is I watched the reality show game, Game of Squid games.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Is that Mr. Beast?

[Pat McAfee]

No, no, that's a whole nother one. Netflix did one. They did like, a game show. Squid Games lady ended up winning a rock, paper, scissors. Remember Dolph? My, My. The lady, the guy that she was playing against was like, I was just throwing random.

[Boston Connor]

And she was CIA analyst.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, she was actually, like, beating him. Gets the key. She was. So I'm struggling with remembering what last season was versus what my's run was in Squid Games. And then also you put on top of it that it's clearly dubbed. It's been hard for me to get into season two. I would say it's been hard for me to get in season two.

[AJ Hawk]

I can't do the dubs to your point. I have to just watch and read.

[Pat McAfee]

Really? So you're reading the whole season?

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, yeah. Because I can't do the dub.

[Pat McAfee]

You're reading the whole season?

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, I did for the first season. I haven't started the second yet, but I'll. I'll do that again.

[AJ Hawk]

Done a few shows.

[Pat McAfee]

How do you know Korean?

[AJ Hawk]

Korean? What do you mean?

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know what the.

[Ty Schmidt]

The dub kind of sting, so I might have to switch to the.

[AJ Hawk]

The dubbed is terrible in all of those shows.

[Boston Connor]

It definitely changes.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Is the first one dubbed?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I, I. Wow. I can't read a whole season. No way.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I guess I haven't seen any of it then.

[Boston Connor]

If you do it that way, though, like, you can't watch it, like, if you're at all tired or, like, you're in bed or, like, about to, like, you can't watch it because you just.

[Pat McAfee]

Just.

[Boston Connor]

You'll miss so much. Like, you actually have to be locked in and, like, commit. Like, okay, I'm gonna watch this episode right now.

[Pat McAfee]

So the issue is the dub acting has to be good, and then the acting acting has to be good. Correct. So now we got a couple different people that need to figure it out while I'm watching. And there's been a few deliveries of some lines, I assume, and some key moments where I'm like, I can't take.

[AJ Hawk]

This sucks.

[Pat McAfee]

I will say the dub this year is a lot better because they obviously did it for the American watchers. Compared to, like, season one, when it was just made for Korean, it's kind of redundant. But I watch it dubbed with the subtitles on, definitely. So I'm reading that. Yeah, definitely hearing the dub, and I'm not focusing on the mouth, mismatching the dub.

[Boston Connor]

And I normally don't do that with.

[Pat McAfee]

Shows, but I've been able to do it with this one, and it's helped. I have captions on everything just in case, just to catch, like, what's potential.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I like that. I like having captions, too, but I.

[Pat McAfee]

Have to hear, though. I have to. I wouldn't be able to do the Korean and then English there. I would not be able to. It's.

[AJ Hawk]

It's awesome. I've done. I mean, granted, I've done this for now. Shogun. Because Shogun's.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, but you're like a reader, right?

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah. I mean, I don't.

[Pat McAfee]

And you are a reader as well.

[Ty Schmidt]

Shogun was all dubbed, so you guys.

[Pat McAfee]

Are much better readers than I am. I. I think I can't keep up with everything.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Makes you a better reader. I think having the closed caption in there makes you a better reader. It forces you to at least do it and look at it.

[Pat McAfee]

Internet videos. Me need the.

[AJ Hawk]

No desk.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Need the Big time.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. You might as well not put a video on the Internet without them. I mean, we do every day live clipping, but any video that we make that isn't live, it's like, has to have the caption on it because there's people that can't have sound where they are and just kind of want to read it, see what they all happen.

[Ty Schmidt]

I haven't had sound on for years.

[Pat McAfee]

Years. And if I accidentally do. Startling. Yeah. Whoa. Jeez. Yeah, that little. With the. The brightness in it.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

That's a good. That was a good development. Yeah. Having to hold that thing down before. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

One of their best ones.

[Pat McAfee]

I haven't. I have the new phone. I haven't opened the box. I'm worried to do the whole transition.

[Chuck Pagano]

Oh, God, that can be a nightmare.

[Pat McAfee]

So. Especially when you're 100 years old. Yeah, I'm talking about, you know, me.

[Chuck Pagano]

No, but that's why you have kids. And someday you're going to be sick. Sitting in my seat, my shoes. And mackenzie's gonna be the one walking you through everything.

[AJ Hawk]

No, because we grew up in the.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, but there's gonna be something new. Yeah.

[Dan Orlovsky]

The kids are ahead of it.

[Pat McAfee]

The kids are ahead. You think? We did the. We had our tech boom for our generation.

[AJ Hawk]

I mean.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Just like thinking about ours. The booms.

[Dan Orlovsky]

You'll never be on par with your kids, though. Your kids will always be ahead. Technology.

[Pat McAfee]

My daughter, 21 months, she knows how to open the thing, put the code in Find out. I mean she, she's not even two years old yet and she knows exactly where. And if she can't figure it out, she's grabbing my hand and moving it to the place where hey, need to scroll this thing. She doesn't have the ability to scroll. It is wild watching her pick it up like that. And there's a lot of. I've seen a lot of people on the Internet say well she has too much screen time. She already knows that whole thing. It's like I created a business off my phone so I'm very okay with my daughter.

[Dan Orlovsky]

It's a big high horse situation, you know.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. But also to your high horse. I will, I will, I will grandstand back if we're going to do this. My daughter understanding how to navigate social media and the Internet in tech is a massive advantage in the world that we are in right now. So acting like it's a negative, which I could see how it would be but I think the negative would be if she isn't proficient at this type of shit. So that's a tough, that's a tough little game that is.

[Dan Orlovsky]

You gotta make it a positive. You gotta like with make this is the world you're growing up in. How do we make it a positive for you and can't be all day the negative. Like if you can like if your kids can sit there and edit videos at 10 years old on an iPad, that's pretty impressive. I've had them do that for my. I sent my kids like a bunch of like pictures and videos that hey, can you make something for mom's birthday? Boom. Like my 12 year old, 11 year old sitting there and can put something together that it's two minutes long and has cool music.

[Pat McAfee]

That's awesome.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, like there will be things I think thing for sure. But I think the grand, huge change.

[Boston Connor]

I mean I just think of how far like how far cell phones have come since your. For like my first cell phone. Your first cell phone. Your first like it. It's night and day. You couldn't even really get on the Internet.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean what's the next step? The chips probably, but I don't think.

[Ty Schmidt]

We probably don't know the next.

[Boston Connor]

I don't think that's going to happen during AI are.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, everybody's kind of embracing AI at the moment. I heard some musicians, I think it was Timberland maybe producer Timbaland was like, I think it was him. Might have been another DJ producer that basically said like hey, these young up and coming be you Better learn how to utilize AI as your tag team partner. And then I think like graphic designers are saying the same thing. Like obviously AI has capability to do things quicker than you would ever be able to do it. But they miss out on the. There's a human element that can be added to the AI So it's almost like the tag team partner of AI is going to be the future. It feels like. And then inevitably what Nick, you know, you know what's going to happen.

[Chuck Pagano]

AI is going to do whatever it wants.

[Pat McAfee]

It's going to get sick of listening to. It's going to get sick of the old tag team. It's going to Shawn Michaels, Marty Jannetti.

[Chuck Pagano]

Super kick through the glass and we're done for.

[Pat McAfee]

It's not going to Seth Rollins chair to Roman Reigns. Break up the shield. Oh yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

There's a chance we don't need you. You need us.

[Pat McAfee]

Become sentient and we're going to say oh.

[Boston Connor]

The was.

[Pat McAfee]

Somebody just tried to hit the. Is that what that was?

[Ty Schmidt]

What was it Sounded like it.

[AJ Hawk]

I know but I can hear Chuck's deaf things in my ear going off.

[Boston Connor]

I can as well.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh yeah. I hear a little tr.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Okay, good. Yeah, something was up.

[Pat McAfee]

You touch your during the break. You're ear.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, you have them over there.

[Pat McAfee]

Why are they here off? No, those are supposed to be over there. This is the end of the season. We're three weeks away for the Super Bowl. We're. We're ending the season just like we started it. Did we not learn our lessons? This is something I said.

[Chuck Pagano]

Turn them off.

[Pat McAfee]

It doesn't work.

[Chuck Pagano]

AI turned them on because you got. You started talking about AI. You're talking about China yesterday, talking about Tick tock. And they. They knew I had that up here because they're tracking my egg and all of a sudden to get get me in trouble on this show. Kobe Channel get you guys fired up. They turn these some on before we.

[Ty Schmidt]

Go too far down this road. Did Bill just murder someone?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I don't know. What was it was that mitt doing?

[Boston Connor]

It might be lifted in there.

[Pat McAfee]

It could be lifting or he could be trying to do the part in that song where it's.

[Chuck Pagano]

That wasn't right. What are they off now? Can you still hear them?

[AJ Hawk]

Actually, no.

[Boston Connor]

No.

[Pat McAfee]

You wanna know what wasn't right?

[Aaron Rodgers]

No.

[Chuck Pagano]

Me.

[Pat McAfee]

I apologize in that situation.

[Chuck Pagano]

But that was AI.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[AJ Hawk]

Got any more shout outs?

[Chuck Pagano]

Oh, really?

[Pat McAfee]

Ms. Terry actually. And Ms. Terry's birthday was yesterday.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Happy birthday. Mysterious birthday.

[Chuck Pagano]

Now say something, Gump.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that's a shadow. That's not. Condolences. Condolences.

[Chuck Pagano]

No. Every time I understand what it is you ain't gonna go after.

[Pat McAfee]

You understand what shout out means?

[Chuck Pagano]

You know your place.

[Pat McAfee]

All year.

[Ty Schmidt]

All year.

[Pat McAfee]

We're divisional playoff round.

[Michael Lombardi]

Didn't learn a damn thing.

[Chuck Pagano]

All year, coach.

[Pat McAfee]

Same as week one. That's why the Bears are shite. Oh, no.

[Chuck Pagano]

Why'd you go after them?

[Ty Schmidt]

Because you just told us they were.

[Pat McAfee]

Going to be good. They're obviously not. Yeah, you're wrong. They got no hope. On that note. Note. Let's pick some games.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. You got confidence at an all time high now after that. On that note, burial of gumpy.

[Chuck Pagano]

I apologize. I love gump.

[Pat McAfee]

What was that sound? You turn the corner, fix your hat, do the whole song and dance, toss.

[AJ Hawk]

Someone into a vat of battery acid.

[Pat McAfee]

You can't see him behind Jamba. Jabba loves hiding behind Jabba, but he is getting absolutely jacked. Jabba's doing a little one, two step. Yep. Love that.

[AJ Hawk]

I get a contract as a three tech. Bill.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't like that Bill posted on the Internet, Jack. The worst thing you could do is get a hobby and a phone or do.

[Ty Schmidt]

He's not wrong.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh.

[AJ Hawk]

First thing I said to him was, oh, yeah, man. You can't. You can't do that.

[Pat McAfee]

No.

[AJ Hawk]

Do you.

[Pat McAfee]

But it's not a hobby, it's a lifestyle. He's committing to it completely. I'm proud of Bill.

[Ty Schmidt]

You just can't tell anyone in here that you have a hobby.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

You just keep.

[Pat McAfee]

It's not a hobby, though. That's what I'm saying. His entire life or lifestyle. He's changed his whole life.

[Chuck Pagano]

We will know though, obviously.

[Pat McAfee]

What's that?

[Chuck Pagano]

Body's. His temple.

[Pat McAfee]

Hasn't always been like that, though. Now he is a. I mean, walked in.

[Dan Orlovsky]

What made him turn? What made him switch?

[Pat McAfee]

He got. I think he got beat up by like 10 guys. Oh, that's what happened, right, Bill? Yeah. Yeah. Bill got beat up by like 10 guys. And then he said, never again.

[AJ Hawk]

Miles Teller style.

[Pat McAfee]

Never again. Yeah, Downtown Indianapolis. Got jumped and he said, I'm not going to let that ever happen again. So now he's in the weight room.

[Ty Schmidt]

Every day and always have a side piece on them. So try them.

[Pat McAfee]

And that's why we wonder what. What. What the. That sound was. That's 15 pound right there.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Illegal use of handgun. Chuck Pagano. 15 yards to keep it moving.

[Dan Orlovsky]

How bad can we do that?

[Pat McAfee]

There it is. You can do old school. I Think you can even do like a. Yeah, you can stab someone. A sword. Orang Sword. A spear.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, yeah, sure.

[Pat McAfee]

I think you can maybe. Can you light a cannon?

[Ty Schmidt]

Can you unsheath the sword?

[AJ Hawk]

Definitely.

[Ty Schmidt]

Like, can you. Because that kind of.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Dan Orlovsky]

And then you like have a little duel.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. And then somebody even. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Someone's got to lean.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, please.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, please do that.

[Ty Schmidt]

So New England has to get rid of the muskets.

[Pat McAfee]

Muskets, yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

No, no, it doesn't count once again, because New England invented America. So, like, you know what? Let's let them.

[Pat McAfee]

How about the muzzle loaders up there? Always working in.

[AJ Hawk]

Always.

[Pat McAfee]

Those are not a high percentage operation, especially with how quickly everybody has to turn around. They. They walked in.

[AJ Hawk]

They're still in the militia.

[Pat McAfee]

It's a great celebration, huh?

[AJ Hawk]

They're still in it. I assume those gentlemen participate in the reenactment of.

[Pat McAfee]

You're talking about Minutemen? Yes.

[AJ Hawk]

Bingo.

[Pat McAfee]

Missy Elliot banger right there. She didn't want no one Minute man, but we needed him in a revolutionary war. There we go.

[AJ Hawk]

And they came through, didn't they?

[Pat McAfee]

Let's make some picks. Chuck Pagana is going to come through for us Divisional weekend. Chuck, AJ And I will not be doing the picks. You will be the only one here. We will make our picks tomorrow officially, as we learn more. And this is on Thursday, before we know. Zay Flyers, for instance. He is not at practice again today. Yep, that is a big deal. We'll know more tomorrow, especially rolling into the weekend end. Let's start with the Texans and the Chiefs. Chiefs favored by eight at home. J.J. watt went on a diatribe, a monologue, about how the Texans not only have C.J. stroud in offense with Nico Collins back, but also a defense that's championship caliber. He was Derek Stingley, Lasseter on the other side, Daniel Hunter. The boys up front, the linebackers. Aziz Al Shayer is back. They got a defense that can win the Super Bowl. Well, they have a team that beats the Chiefs in Kansas City. Chuck, how do you see the game going? What are your thoughts?

[Chuck Pagano]

I think they keep it close. I think they do. I think, you know, you got Daniel Hunter and Will Anderson. They got 23 sacks between them. This rookie, Bullock, the safety, he's got five picks along with Stingley's five. So 10 between those two guys. They're humming. And we saw the, you know, Azee when he got back in there. Now he's a little bit. Is he healthy? He went out of that game. I don't know but you could feel him early in that game they played earlier this season. That was a one score game. They lost by eight in that ball game. It was like a four or five point game. And then Kansas City ran the ball kind of ran. Took the air out of the game. But they were, they were right there. The only difference in that game if you look at the rush yards, the pass yards, all those kind of things, it's pretty even. Other than the most, you know the one thing that we always look to turnovers decide a lot of these games other than score, they turn it over twice. You know in that, in that ball game C.J. stroud did.

[Pat McAfee]

So who do you like? You like the Texans?

[Chuck Pagano]

I'm going to take Texans and points.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Age. How do you feel about Chuck's pick there?

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah, I mean I. I don't know exactly where I'm leaning yet. But yeah, Chiefs minus eight feels like a lot. But what if the Chiefs just become the Chiefs that we're used to.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Poured on them.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, agreed. And I think that's what the sportsbooks are potentially saying. Even though they. They didn't score a point with Carson went to quarterback final game of the season. They got blown out 35 nothing or whatever the case was.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah. Irrelevant side of the day is the Chiefs are own two this year at 4 o'clock games.

[Ty Schmidt]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[Chuck Pagano]

Did you. They haven't played since December 25th either. They're starters.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

They took two weeks off.

[Pat McAfee]

So what's first half? You know, especially after what the Texans have done in the last two weeks. They played a lot better. They were in a little bit of a Schneide last two weeks. Titans and obviously last week in the playoffs they go on a little bit of an up.

[Chuck Pagano]

Tank Dell had a big game for him in the regular season. He's obviously no longer there. He caught a touchdown pass as you remember back then. That's where he got.

[Ty Schmidt]

CJ Stroud attended his funeral that day.

[AJ Hawk]

They're best friends.

[Chuck Pagano]

So it's got to be. It's got to be Nico and I think woods has a big day.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so Texans plus eight is where Chuck is on the first game. Let's get a Saturday at 8:00. Nine points. Brett, Saturday 4:30, Saturday at 8. Both huge divisional round spreads and obviously Sunday 6 is still big. What are your thoughts on Commander's Lions? Chuck Pagano again.

[Chuck Pagano]

I'm going dog here. I'm going to take the points. I think the Lions win, but I'm going to. I'm going to take the commanders. Detroit has struggled against mobile quarterbacks. You know, you look at Anthony Richardson, he had over six yards, you know, per carry. He played pretty good against these guys. They didn't score any. They scored six points in that game. But I, I just think, you know, they haven't seen Daniels. He's an athletic quarterback. They played Buffalo early in this year and Josh had his way as well, running around on this defense. Yeah. So. But the one thing is, you know, you get Montgomery back for the Lions again, I think they'll win the game, but I don't, I don't think they'll cover. That's too many points. But you got the number six rush offense in Detroit going against Washington. Who was number 30th in rush defense.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, no. So nine's no problem. No problem.

[Chuck Pagano]

Ford Field.

[Pat McAfee]

Remember, other teams can score on the lines. It doesn't matter. That's like their thing. Yeah. Like, yeah, you guys are allowed to score.

[AJ Hawk]

Can't keep.

[Chuck Pagano]

This is it. They're just dangerous. It's just all the pressures on Detroit. There's no pressure on Washington. They've already exceeded all expectations by a million. You know, so they're playing with house money. They're going to go in there, lose. Quinn's loose anyway, so they're just going to play. And so that's dangerous.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I agree. Okay, so eight.

[Chuck Pagano]

Especially when you got a weapon at quarterback.

[Pat McAfee]

Eight, nine. Too big for Chuck to pass up. He'll take the dogs on Saturday. Let's go to Sunday. Rams Eagles cross country. Short week. We talked to Puka yesterday. He seems to have great vibes. When is that ever not the case with us over there, who's unbelievable. Six point favorites at home are the big Dom led Philadelphia East Eagles. Jalen Hurts, Saquon, Barkley, Lane Johnson. An offensive line that's unbelievable. A.J. brown, Devonte Smith. Goddard's throwing bodies around at the tight end position. A defense that is obviously great at all three levels. Taking on Matthew Stafford in the Los Angeles Rams, a young defense that has come together late. Matthew Stafford obviously able to spin it. They got weapons. They got McVeigh's brain. How do you see this one going, Chuck?

[Chuck Pagano]

Kyron Williams run, running the. Running the rock. Now they gave up 255 yards, you know, Russian to Saquon. First time they played in regular season.

[Pat McAfee]

What week was that?

[Chuck Pagano]

That was. Let me tell you, that was week 12. They lost 20 to 37. But both those runs, he had 142 on two runs. So he had a 70 yard tutty and a 72 yard tud start the second half.

[Pat McAfee]

Bar bar first running back to have two 70 plus yard touchdowns and whatever. I forget what the stat was. I'm remembering now from ammo, you know.

[Chuck Pagano]

So hertz was efficient. A.J. brown had a, had a good day. Six for 109 in that game. But totally different Rams team. Totally different Rams team. You got Stafford, who's in in a game like this, I ain't betting against them again. I think Philly, I think Philly wins his game just because you know they got the number one ranked defense. They're playing really good on that side of the ball. But if anybody can go spin that thing around, Puka Cooper Cup, Kyron Williams and that defense right now, what Chris Shula is doing with that defense. I know D Butts talked about it yesterday. You guys watched nine sacks. Nine sacks and they were all, maybe only one was five minutes like all four man. All four man. A lot of, lot of games. You know Fisk, that curse is an animal. Young on that side. They're going to put number 24 Williams. He'll shadow A.J. brown in this game. They don't do that on Philly. They just play left and right. Quinon plays the right side, Slay plays the left. But they're going to match up on the other side. I like staff, I like the Rams going in here.

[Pat McAfee]

All the dogs thus far. Eight point spread, nine point spread, six point spread. Chuck says this is going to be much closer games than the books seemingly think divisional weekend. These are the best eight teams in the league. We're going to have great games. We're not going to have blowouts. It's going to be one score games. That's why you have picked the way that you've picked. Now let's go to the big one. The headliner, the marquee MVP versus MVP runner up. Two seasons that are going to be historic one way or another. Ravens with the addition of Derrick Henry have gone back to their power football explosive ways. But Lamar Jackson's thrown it better than he ever has. The Buffalo Bills coming in the season they lost basically 90% of the players that we know on their roster. Josh Allen's getting get a chance to take a team on his back. How far can he go with it? Well, home game, divisional round. Buffalo Bills. Who do you like? How do you like it? One point spread. Ravens are favored going into Buffalo. Weather update please. In what the game is going to.

[AJ Hawk]

Be, it is going to be 12 degrees. I believe that kick feels like negative three with some snow.

[Pat McAfee]

Cold as hell. It's going to be a Buffalo game here in the divisional round.

[Chuck Pagano]

Chuck Fagano, just how. How they like it.

[Pat McAfee]

The Buffalo Bills?

[Chuck Pagano]

No, the Ravens.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Chuck Pagano]

The one favorite I'm going to go with is, is them. I just think Lamar, Derrick, Henry, Derek had 190, 199 yards against him in that 35 10, 35 10. The first time he touched the ball, he went 87 10. 8735 10. And you know that Buffalo loves to play nickel, right AJ they love to play nickel. Taron Johnson is that nickelback number seven. He got knocked out of the game last week, came back and played. He'll be in there. But they play small ball and they don't care what you line up in. You can be in 22, you can be in 12, you can be whatever. They're going to put that group on the field and live with that group. So I just think Lamar, Derrick Henry, Zay, whether he plays or not, you got Mark Andrews, you got Bateman, you got Aguilar, you got Isaiah. Likely and Lamar is not going to be denied Josh Allen. Same thing. They both deserve envy. I don't care who gets it out of either one of them.

[Pat McAfee]

Congrats to both.

[Chuck Pagano]

They're both more than I wish they just split it between them, you know.

[Pat McAfee]

But then they both get cooked for that, even though it wouldn't be their decision.

[Chuck Pagano]

No question. That's because that's what we do the world. That's what we love.

[Pat McAfee]

You talked about Buffalo be playing small ball and defensive side. You said they don't care if it's 22 or 12. Just for people that don't know, 22 is two running backs, two tight ends. And the two running backs would be Derek Henry and Patrick ricard, both over 240, one of them being 280 pounds. And then Mark Andrews and Likely would be the two tight ends. And then Lamar Jackson, the fastest person on the field, would be the quarterback with the ball in between all of that. So there's a lot of meat and then there's a lot of explosion.

[Chuck Pagano]

Could be 22x another. So you put a big, another big lineman in there. So you got another 300, another 320 pounder at the point and then Mark Andrews. So if you don't want Andrews and Likely out there, you just put 22x. You get even bigger.

[Pat McAfee]

And Ravens will do that. Yep. And they will do that.

[Chuck Pagano]

And the defense, they played good since the buy last five weeks, like 11 points a game. 250 total yards a game and like third down, they're 31%. If you're 31%, you're number one in the league right now. Getting off the field.

[Pat McAfee]

Chuck Pagana doesn't care about having field advantage in the division round. Took everybody, every away team on the weekend. Okay, let's now go to the national championship on Monday night. Obviously we will have a show on Monday live from Atlanta, the home of the national championship. Then there'll be a college game day and then the game will be taking place at 7:30pm we will be doing a field pass on ESPN too, if you'd like to join us for some stupidity or you go over to ESPN and I assume ABC for Chris Fowler, Herb street and ABC Real broadcast. Our dumbasses will be on ESPN too. We're lucky to do that. We can't wait to get down there. Ohio State, Notre Dame. Ohio State, favored by eight in the national championship. We have seen blowouts in the national championship before. Recent history has showcased that. And there has been obviously incredible games that have lived up to the title of the best in the country. Will Howard, Riley Leonard, Similar stories. Similar stories. Stories. Jack Sawyer's got a lot to play for, obviously. Captain Jack Sawyer, the Ohio kid, loses to Michigan, gets into a fight with the people that are planting the flag, says, not on my watch. And what has he done? I'll come back to lead the team basically to a Natty. He obviously wants it, but so is Xavier Watts and the entire Notre Dame team. Marcus Freeman, 39 years old, young upstart with a big brain has been able to rally a team that hasn't been able to have that much success in the postseason in a long time. Changes the roster, makes some magic happen in Ryan Day, who has the weight of the entire world of Ohio on his shoulders at all times. Because how things have gone, that's the job as the Buckeyes head coach just like it's a job as a Notre Dame head coach. The way he's got his team to rally since the most devastating loss they've seen in some time is nothing short of miraculous. Eight point favorites in Atlanta for the Natty, Chuck Pagano. Who do you like? How do you like it?

[Chuck Pagano]

I. I like AJ Hawks. Buckeyes.

[Pat McAfee]

Whoa, quick pick.

[Chuck Pagano]

I just think that best thing that ever happened to him and I, I hate it for him because of how the, you know, people are and the fans and all that. But getting beat by Michigan, obvious wake up call. What they did to Tennessee and then what they did To Texas, right. Or did I miss one in there? Race them?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Chuck Pagano]

Like that was 31 nothing before they could blink.

[Pat McAfee]

Right.

[Chuck Pagano]

Or something like that.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Played bad against Texas, I think.

[Chuck Pagano]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

From watching AJ Isn't it weird that it feels like we have, you know, doing these field passes and we missed one of Notre Dame's game.

[AJ Hawk]

So I think, yeah, we, we.

[Boston Connor]

Georgia.

[Ty Schmidt]

We weren't at Georgia.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we weren't in Notre Dame. Georgia, whenever that took place, that was a massive one down there at Sugar Bowl. So we weren't there for that particular game. We've been on the field for every Ohio State game and it's like, I don't want to say it feels like we're embedded with it, but it embedded means like on the inside. But we have seen everything they have done over the last three weeks. Sideline altercations, pregame warmups, vibes and warmups, how they come out of the tunnel in the second half, plays that are being made in the biggest stage. It's like watching them play against Texas is like, oh, this is nowhere near Ohio State's best effort. Like this is nowhere. Two score win.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Over Texas, you know, and it's like they're not going to make those same mistakes again. Or are they like, is who they played against Tennessee and Oregon not who they actually are? This is who they are. That's the big question. Because I'm not 100% sure he can make those mistakes against his Notre Dame team. His Notre Dame team, I think would drag you down there. I think they will deep water. They will take you into the deep water. I think that's how they play. I think they like playing like that. I think they're proud of the fact that they play like that. So it's like, you know, Ohio State get back back to playing massively efficient football like they have been. I mean, that's the question of the game. I think they can with all the talent that they have. I think that is.

[Chuck Pagano]

They're so athletic, they are so talented. I mean that runner 32, Trayvon Henderson, like when they decided to blitz the first play in that two minute drill screen and they threw that screen right behind it. I've been on the end of one of those. Oh my God, hopeless. And you know, it was Chris Johnson. Remember how fast that cat was?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Four, two.

[Chuck Pagano]

So yeah, I was at East Carolina. Yeah. No, no, at North Carolina. We were playing at East Carolina. He was the running back for. Yeah, you said nickel hot and hey, let's run volcano. Okay, good idea. Let's throw a screen right behind it. 80. Just look just like this.

[Pat McAfee]

Was that early in the game, first series, yeah. So that kind of sets the tone too, on what he's about to do. Chris Johnson, Y2J. Whenever he started rolling, it was like he took the top off early. Trayvon Henderson, obviously, at the beginning of that game, gets a 15 yard penalty, almost gets benched because he cost his team. Nick Saban came over and was like, hey, this whole game changed when Travion Henderson decided to smack that guy in the face and set him back behind the sticks. And then they haven't been able to do anything since. And it was like literally the next play, Trayvon Anderson was in and he was able to get back and make right at the exact time. It's like that team's humming. So is Notre Dame, though. So is Notre Dame.

[AJ Hawk]

Hell yeah.

[Chuck Pagano]

Their fans are telling me they're fun to watch.

[Pat McAfee]

Fun. They're a gritty team.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Riley Leonard's a better passer than people give him credit for, too.

[Pat McAfee]

Agreed.

[Dan Orlovsky]

He really is.

[Pat McAfee]

I think he's gotten better, certainly, like, I think people judge him, like maybe last year when he's at Duke or beginning of the season, how he's doing and yada yada, it's like he's. He's clearly been climbing, working, and like getting better at all, everything. And his leadership is remarkable. That team's big, too. That offensive line, they had to deal with backups at different places. They had the depth to be able to handle it. Against Penn State, it's like, these are.

[Dan Orlovsky]

How much do you want to run if you're the quarterback? Like, how much you want to. How many QB runs you want to have? When we've seen guys getting their heads taken off multiple times throughout the playoffs.

[Pat McAfee]

Riley Arch, Arch got in for one.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Play, whatever he got, he got the first down. But man, he took a shot.

[Pat McAfee]

And a lot of people are wondering why he wasn't in on the first and goal. From the one was like, I think from our perspective, we thought Arch potentially got dinged.

[Boston Connor]

Yes.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Like, I assumed he was dinged, but that dude got up and he was. He was all right.

[Pat McAfee]

He did get up. And it never got announced, but like first and goal at the one yard line with the way they had been handling that, a lot of people are wondering why is Arch not on the field? He's kind of the running quarterback. It's like, I think he got. I think that was a. It was. Yeah.

[Chuck Pagano]

The ball came out, right?

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chuck Pagano]

But they ruled him Down.

[Pat McAfee]

He was down. Yeah.

[Chuck Pagano]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Riley's been their leading rusher carrier carries wise in all three playoff games.

[Pat McAfee]

He's fun to watch, man. Yeah. Great athlete, good wiggle. Yeah. Watch his basketball highlights from high school. If you just.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Man.

[Pat McAfee]

Want a milk check real quick? Yeah.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Guys. Unbelievable.

[AJ Hawk]

The ball.

[Pat McAfee]

We're lucky for it.

[Ty Schmidt]

All good kid too.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Seems like it seems like everybody loves him. Same with Will hired. Yeah. It's got clever captions does on his Instagram like that. They got to be paying him a lot of money. Yeah. The money we're hearing being flooded out right now. Allegedly Quinn yours turned down $8 million. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

I don't believe that for a second.

[Pat McAfee]

Carson beck allegedly getting $4 million to go to Miami. But then it was reported it's $3 million. And then it was reported like who knows what's real and what isn't these days.

[Ty Schmidt]

Some incentives in there.

[AJ Hawk]

They almost all also told US didn't need 700 to 1 million.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Because like if CAM work out what 1.1 was the report. It's like you're telling me 1.6. 1.6. So they're. You're telling me they gave Quinn ears.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, but Cam was year before unknown.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. CARSON Back's getting 4 million but that we don't know if that's real.

[AJ Hawk]

I'm saying I don't believe anything.

[Chuck Pagano]

You got Will Howard. And when you were sitting there, who you taking me? Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

That made it pretty obvious.

[Chuck Pagano]

Yeah. It's easy. And I'm now yes. After watching an 8 million. No jail, no chance.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean there's something 5 I would believe there's some teams I think alumni. I mean for four years for sure. But not just a one year rental. Yeah. For one year like all you need is one donor. That's all you need. That has a lot of money. That is like this is what I want. I want. I want this to happen. Happen.

[Ty Schmidt]

We've talked to. We know there's some running backs out there getting over a million. So I wouldn't be surprised. What? What any quarterback.

[Pat McAfee]

A lot of running backs getting over a million in the big ten.

[Chuck Pagano]

Mostly Beck don't care. It's his girlfriend's school.

[Ty Schmidt]

Bingo.

[Pat McAfee]

All right. Doing tick tocks, I heard. That's right. He's worried about getting that elbow.

[Chuck Pagano]

You see the first one. Come on.

[Dan Orlovsky]

What about it?

[Pat McAfee]

Shut up and play football.

[Boston Connor]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what the 60.

[Boston Connor]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

4. 4 year old.

[Ty Schmidt]

Ain't no football coach. Ain't no Ken Dorsey.

[Chuck Pagano]

I'll tell you no sir, that guy was a dog.

[Pat McAfee]

Dude's already a multi millionaire. So is his girl. Yeah, they can do whatever Ellie want. That's how they view it, I think. I don't know if Carson Beck still viewed as such an NFL guy. That's why going down there could be a good year for him to obviously have success. I guess. Alabama and Georgia allegedly were looking to Georgia bring Carson back and then Alabama bring him over. Over. That would have been a big sighting for Kaylen Deborah. Did he hire Grub offense coordinator yet? Should I wonder?

[AJ Hawk]

Not yet, I don't think.

[Pat McAfee]

All right.

[Chuck Pagano]

That was supposed to happen like. Or already done.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I wonder what happened. Did it happen?

[Chuck Pagano]

I don't know that, but he's been let go. Seattle, right?

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes. You want to do a giveaway for the people?

[Chuck Pagano]

Oh, love to.

[Pat McAfee]

What are you going to do? Throw footballs?

[Chuck Pagano]

Oh yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Any of that. Hoop right over there. There.

[Chuck Pagano]

The end of that one.

[Pat McAfee]

Are you gonna make it first try?

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yep.

[Chuck Pagano]

Probably got a pretty good shot, I think.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah. You were pretty dialed in before show.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. You were throwing some around.

[Chuck Pagano]

I warmed up.

[Boston Connor]

He threw a couple.

[Pat McAfee]

Spinning it a little bit.

[Boston Connor]

Got the wing loose.

[Chuck Pagano]

I doubt it wasn't a laser shot like Coach Holtz talk tone into taking.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I mean and then Coach Holtz said he can't be that naive kid. And then that's kind of what it was.

[Chuck Pagano]

No, he just said hit the right quartile.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Chuck Pagano]

Are you supposed to listen to your coaches? You think a quartile?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Chuck Pagano]

Upper.

[Pat McAfee]

Upper quadrant of the upper quartile.

[Chuck Pagano]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

Who is that? Ursay or Chris.

[Chuck Pagano]

Watch American Primeval too if you haven't yet.

[Pat McAfee]

Jim's in it. I heard.

[Chuck Pagano]

Yeah. Great cameo.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah, I saw his clip.

[Chuck Pagano]

Did you see it?

[AJ Hawk]

Tough time to be in a show.

[Pat McAfee]

What?

[Dan Orlovsky]

Well, it looked like it's audition tape.

[AJ Hawk]

Cuz Jerry. I mean.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I mean Jerry Jones had a cuz with Jim.

[AJ Hawk]

It's. Hey, Jim was in.

[Pat McAfee]

But did you see Jer in Landman? Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I wonder if.

[Chuck Pagano]

I think both guys crushed it.

[Pat McAfee]

Jerry might win an award. I've not seen the gym one.

[AJ Hawk]

There's faces in it.

[Boston Connor]

Certainly look like Jim's kind of just sitting there shooting whiskey for about three seconds. He certainly wasn't delivering a five minute one take monologue like Jared did.

[Pat McAfee]

How bad do you feel about Dot and J, Jerry?

[Boston Connor]

I don't feel bad at all. I thought he could do. I'm glad he can do it. That just makes me think, hey, next time you step up to the microphone, don't sound like you got a mouth full of dog shite and say what you gotta say.

[Pat McAfee]

Act like.

[Boston Connor]

Act like that, Jerry. Act like an actor.

[Chuck Pagano]

Why are we.

[Boston Connor]

Act like.

[Chuck Pagano]

Why are we, like, surprised? Like, based on what he's done. I was not like that he could pull something like that off.

[Pat McAfee]

Did you see. Did you hear us, like, the.

[Chuck Pagano]

Huh.

[Boston Connor]

Did you see him talking in that.

[Chuck Pagano]

Yes.

[Boston Connor]

Press conference right before that about Big Mike? Did you.

[Pat McAfee]

What it sound like?

[Boston Connor]

Well, my. Well, you just being a mic. He kind of, you know, had to do what he.

[Pat McAfee]

And.

[Boston Connor]

And listen, we might do something. I mean, he just. Gibberish marbles in his mouth. And then you see that Landman, and it's like, Jesus Christ, Daniel Day Lewis out here. It's unbelievable. So it leads you to believe that. Yeah, maybe he didn't. But, hey.

[Chuck Pagano]

So to your point right there, like, Landman, he knew the scene. He knew exactly what was required, what the expectations were and had been in it. Lived it. Exactly. Great point. Like, he's caught off guard with this. Like, that's why you don't have a plan. Plan caught off guard. No. He thought he was gonna get Big Mike back. I guarantee it was up to him.

[Pat McAfee]

And then wasn't able to get a deal done.

[Chuck Pagano]

Wasn't able to get a deal done.

[Pat McAfee]

That's the.

[Chuck Pagano]

I think that's my. Like, I'm not. I don't have sources. I don't have anything. I.

[Pat McAfee]

That's going around the coaching world right now. I. If Chuck is saying it, he has a guy, 36 years as a football coach. His group text consists of football coaches talking about football stuff. He actually signed up for the 33rd team, I believe. So he could be around more football people doing more football stuff. If you listen to Lombardi, did football his whole life. What was he doing waking up at 5am to go do football stuff with football people? So I think what it sounds like from what Chuck is saying in the football coaching world, the conversation is Jerry did want Mike back potentially at different terms than what Mike was thinking, that he would be going.

[Chuck Pagano]

I think they just couldn't come to an agreement.

[Pat McAfee]

Mike wanted a better uniform and didn't want to have to wear that hat anymore. Who are.

[Ty Schmidt]

Who are you guys chicken for the jets as head coach.

[Chuck Pagano]

What's that?

[Ty Schmidt]

Who are you guys picking at? The 33rd team for the jets head coach and gym.

[Chuck Pagano]

I'm not involved in that.

[Pat McAfee]

When the 33rd team talks about. Do they. They say, all right, give us every name that could be a football coach. Go and Then they just.

[Chuck Pagano]

What's going on?

[Ty Schmidt]

They don't like you in the.

[Pat McAfee]

And they just send that over to Woody, apparently.

[Chuck Pagano]

No, I. That's.

[Ty Schmidt]

They don't trust you.

[Pat McAfee]

That's weird. You're.

[Chuck Pagano]

No, I mean, they hired. They hired Mike T and couple of, you know, guys that have been in ball for a long time to. To help them with the search.

[AJ Hawk]

Smart.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I think it has a good idea.

[Ty Schmidt]

What if Mike T Hires himself back?

[Pat McAfee]

Do you think Mike T. Can find any other names that could potentially want to be interviewed for a head coaching job for the New York Jets?

[Chuck Pagano]

I haven't seen them all. Have they interviewed a bunch of people every.

[Pat McAfee]

They use maximum characters on Twitter one time, which is impossible nowadays. You can write whatever you want on there to list off all the names that they're interested in talking to. Like 17, 18 people, 20 people.

[Chuck Pagano]

What are the prognosticators saying? Who's it's going to be?

[Pat McAfee]

Aaron Glenn. Yes.

[Chuck Pagano]

Because they've been. They've been bringing in a head coach and a GM together.

[Pat McAfee]

Aaron Glenn on the front end a lot were piecing together. Yeah. You said they like.

[Chuck Pagano]

So like the assistant GM at KC and. And Matt Nagy and then I think Ryan and Finn and Beo and I don't know who the rest of them were, but I think they're trying to get that. A lot of teams now are trying to get that right as they're walking in the door. That component, that relationship.

[Pat McAfee]

And that's always gonna work.

[AJ Hawk]

Mm.

[Pat McAfee]

Are we doing a giveaway or what?

[Chuck Pagano]

Like Blombo said, till you lose.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, till you lose. Then who's in charge? You need one Supreme Commander. Hear that word, I guess, those words? That title, age.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Oh, yeah. I mean, Lambo's used that for a while, but it does a lot of times when you say Supreme Commander, it's usually not in a positive light when they're speaking about someone. Right.

[Pat McAfee]

Lambo's used Supreme Commander a lot.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah, he's used it before on his podcast.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, I haven't heard. He hasn't said it to me because that's my first time hearing. I was like, what a hilarious way to describe something. We get what you're saying to. We understand exactly what. Need a supreme Commander.

[AJ Hawk]

Just like New England.

[Pat McAfee]

They got one. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

One voice already kicking out one sound. The.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, Chuck Paganos. Hey, do you see the. Can you toss me one of them balls? Downer. Yes, sir. Available now, baby do 2.0.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Those are nice.

[Pat McAfee]

Store.pat mcshow.com. this one has a little thing on it because it's been chucked in into bricks. But look, still has the dimples. This is a durable ball. Perfectly weighted, you see. Perfectly weighted. Can be punted, can be thrown. Perfect toss around. Ball big enough that you don't feel like you're engulfing it. Small enough to have a grip on it, no matter your hand size. The weight is 50 to 60 yard. Throwable if you really wanted, no doubt. But easy to play catch with because it's. It's friendly on the hands. The laces aren't too strong, so it won't cut you whenever you throw it. And it's a good ball.

[Ty Schmidt]

It's already broken in somehow.

[AJ Hawk]

It's perfect.

[Pat McAfee]

Baby Duke one that we launched a couple years back.

[Boston Connor]

Good ball, Good ball.

[Pat McAfee]

That's a good ball. That's Baby Duke number one there. Weren't able to find enough of them, though. Sure. You know, so then we find Baby Duke 2.0 and it's like. Wait a minute. Hold the phone.

[AJ Hawk]

Nailed it.

[Ty Schmidt]

Holy.

[Pat McAfee]

Good ball. Yeah. Good ball.

[Chuck Pagano]

Good ball.

[Pat McAfee]

The best you can spin this ball.

[Chuck Pagano]

Kid friendly.

[Pat McAfee]

Kid definitely kid friendly. How soft it is, durability, size. Yeah, it's like a good size. Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I throw a ball every. Every morning at the bus stop. My kids, cat, they catch like 30 balls and I throw a ball just like that.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, why don't you get the Baby Duke 2.0 for the kids?

[Dan Orlovsky]

I know I need to. I'm going to take one. When I come with the Thunderdome business.

[Pat McAfee]

Why don't you buy one?

[Dan Orlovsky]

I'll buy a bunch of them. I bought a bunch of football going.

[Chuck Pagano]

On right after the show. I'm getting me a couple.

[Pat McAfee]

No, no, we'll get them for you. We'll get them for you age. We'll get them for the entire Hawk community. We'll get. For the Paganos, obviously. Yeah, we're in. We want you to enjoy life and have a catch. Toss around a ball, go outside, touch grass. Yeah. Spin the rock, maybe kick one. Get yourself prepared for an opportunity.

[Chuck Pagano]

I can't wait to get with my grandsons. Hey, get on the floor or get off the floor.

[Pat McAfee]

Bingo. Off the court, get on the floor, get off the court.

[AJ Hawk]

Got the message.

[Pat McAfee]

Dan Orlovsky to Noah, who did not build the ark. 12, 11, 7, 11. Yeah. Noah Hunter. And then. I don't know, he didn't say the other one's name there. I. I've run into them a few different times. Cool group. It's cool group, kids. And then his Daughter is like, the coolest of them all. She's awesome. Younger. The lads, though, they always dress the same.

[Boston Connor]

They do, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Definitely. The lads are all dressed the same. You know, when they walk into places, that's something they're gonna have to. They're probably not gonna. Like, whenever they get older.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

But it's just like, kind of how it goes. Could you imagine having triplets? Imagine this. First three weeks.

[Chuck Pagano]

Holy.

[AJ Hawk]

First three weeks.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Imagine when those kids are like two to five, too. Like, there's. Yeah, there's a lot.

[Pat McAfee]

All of it. I don't know how they. I don't know how they. Congratulations.

[Dan Orlovsky]

It's gonna be really cool now. Like, they gotta be their own little wolf pack now.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. They got a team here, you know? And then holidays going forward are gonna be big. Whenever they become adults, it's a big family. But it's like those first three weeks, I think I thought of the Orlovskies a couple times. Like triplets. How are you?

[Dan Orlovsky]

I thought of John and Kate plus eight.

[Pat McAfee]

Sure.

[Dan Orlovsky]

When I first had kids.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, but they did that on purpose, Right. Didn't they?

[Dan Orlovsky]

Well, did they want to have that many or they. Because, yeah, they really want to have that many.

[Pat McAfee]

I think it was something where they wanted to become famous. I think, if I remember right, that ended up being pretty nasty.

[AJ Hawk]

Think John did not work out.

[Pat McAfee]

John and Kate and the aer. I think in a certain different spot. I watched that a little bit. That seemed crazy. These cults that have, like, 13, 14 kids. Yep. That feels wild. There's a couple religions that think they're going to reproduce their way into dominance. Oh, yeah. World dominance.

[Ty Schmidt]

It's not a terrible idea. Some of them have bingo.

[Pat McAfee]

That's conversation for another day. I'm not going to get into that. Aaron Wood. I don't even want to get into that.

[Boston Connor]

That being said, I think we should get into it.

[Pat McAfee]

Did you see TGL ratings are up from week one to week two. Tiger golfing brings eyes.

[Dan Orlovsky]

The Tiger pump, right? I guess.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Dan Orlovsky]

We got figured out.

[Pat McAfee]

Well said, Coach. What do you say? Chuck loves golf, too. I think Chuck did.

[Chuck Pagano]

Not like I. I moved away from it quicker than Sam did. When you said Sam walked away after four minutes, I lasted three.

[Pat McAfee]

Did you see Tiger?

[Chuck Pagano]

Yeah, I left right after Rocky. And the intro.

[Boston Connor]

You didn't like the intro?

[Pat McAfee]

The intro was awesome.

[Ty Schmidt]

You didn't give the golf chance.

[Chuck Pagano]

Freaking clown show.

[Pat McAfee]

It's new, it's innovative.

[Chuck Pagano]

They got a lot of work to do because there's people who invested in that I'm sorry, but you're going to have to come up with something else.

[Pat McAfee]

Ratings. One up ratings. Chuck, he's got Neil Pagano.

[Chuck Pagano]

We trust everybody. That throws the ratings out. Right?

[Pat McAfee]

I'll tell you, it is hard because they put us into that world now. And I'll get like, you know, fossa. We love fosso. Fossa will be like, can I put out, like, a ratings report on the show? And I'm like, kind of kills our gimmick about how ratings don't mean anything. Kind of kills our entire gimmick. But it feels like we should say so. This is always Fossil feels like we are obligated to say that it's. It's doing good. And then I immediately go, doing good? In whose eyes? Who's saying it's. Who's saying it's doing good? Because then we kind of legitimize something that we've always been like, how the fuck do they know? Like, in the modern world, with the different devices and streaming and dvr, let alone all the different platforms and you want to. How do they know? Unless it's on one platform that completely opens up its books and you can see exactly how many things. How do you know what any of it is? Well, it's a projection from boxes that are in. It's like, okay, that makes sense. But I'm sure Nielsen knows. And if they're all being judged on the same platform, I guess that's what makes it a level playing field. So TGL was up from week one to week two, allegedly. And then the Pacers Cavaliers beat it by a little bit. Yeah. So it almost. It almost won the evening from the ratings that were being reported by however they get this, you know, however they get those and what those mean. TJL still up over a million.

[AJ Hawk]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

It's a lot of people. Yeah, it's a lot of people on a Wednesday night or Tuesday night, whatever.

[Chuck Pagano]

It was Tuesday night, nothing's on. And I went to bed and started reading.

[Pat McAfee]

Love golf.

[Chuck Pagano]

And I'm like, you, I hate reading. But I'm forcing myself. I'm on this hard 75 deal kick.

[AJ Hawk]

There you go.

[Chuck Pagano]

No booze, hard foods.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[Chuck Pagano]

No booze.

[Pat McAfee]

Any weed.

[Chuck Pagano]

Diet. A lot of. Yeah, I do my gummies.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Yeah. All right.

[Ty Schmidt]

You're not doing anything.

[Pat McAfee]

Welcome to life. What are we doing?

[Chuck Pagano]

God, I got some new ones for Christmas and I've been up in the deal. I'm having, like, some wild, like, sleeping like a baby.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Good dreams.

[Chuck Pagano]

Great dreams. Like punching. I mean, wake.

[AJ Hawk]

Eating so much my dreams are crazy. Waking up in a puddle.

[Pat McAfee]

What is that? Ken, you're up. 10. 10 milligram.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Waking up on all fours.

[Pat McAfee]

Hard 75.

[AJ Hawk]

Splooge. Everywhere.

[Pat McAfee]

Why am I on all fours?

[Ty Schmidt]

More like hard.

[AJ Hawk]

What the hell's going on?

[Dan Orlovsky]

Tina?

[Pat McAfee]

Cat.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Camel.

[Chuck Pagano]

Hey, these are good.

[Pat McAfee]

What is it? 10 milligrams.

[Chuck Pagano]

You don't. Cat couldn't scratch that thing.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, Chucky needs new shoots.

[Dan Orlovsky]

He's got some boner pills in the gun.

[Pat McAfee]

10 milligrams and. Are you. Are you sure they're edibles? That we. Spiking those with anything else, Ms. Tina? Potentially.

[Chuck Pagano]

So it's a combo. It's got CBD and THC.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Do you know how much?

[Chuck Pagano]

And 2.5.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Each.

[Chuck Pagano]

Each.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh. Okay. You still got a ways to go. Good news.

[Chuck Pagano]

No, because the only thing. The only thing I ever think of is, like, when you throw out this, like, 120 number, and I'm like, there's. There's no way.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. It's not just a one piece. That is a combination of what's potentially in you at a time.

[Chuck Pagano]

No, but I can't even imagine. Those are good days, the hallucinations.

[Pat McAfee]

Those are wild days. AJ Is actually a funny character in this entire thing because he has a craps table, basically, of these things. Because there'll be, like, a 5 milligram one, and then there'll be a 20 milligram one, and then he'll have a 62 milligram one somehow. And they're all in the same bottle, and they all look the exact same. Hey, do you want 10 or 60? Could be either. Okay, sweet. Let me go ahead and dive in, I guess. And then you just wait, and then you find out over the next 10, 20 minutes while you're in a plane. It's a good time. H. You're one of the most entertaining distributors, I think, of edibles that I've ever been around in my entire Life. Could be 5, could be 27. That's part of it, right?

[Dan Orlovsky]

Isn't that part of it?

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, that's what he used.

[Ty Schmidt]

10 or 44 is a Y.

[Pat McAfee]

Wild move. Yeah. Gump was right there in front of me whenever it was all taking place. Hey, I got an extra one. You want this?

[Dan Orlovsky]

That was a rare. A rare instance where I didn't know the exact.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, yeah, I'm sure.

[Chuck Pagano]

I think it's probably smart to know.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah, yeah. That's old school. Like, back think.

[Chuck Pagano]

I think. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Back before the, you know, commercialization of edibles and THC and everything like that, and science and medicine coming in and saying what it benefits and what it doesn't benefit and what you're able to do and all that shit, you know, this used to be done just by whoever happened to see a YouTube video or know somebody older than them that was able to make the butter that had weed inside of it. And if somebody knew how to make the butter, then they were kind of in control of an afternoon or two, and they had no idea how much to put in there. So they'd be like, hey, you gotta put an ounce in here. That's. You gotta put an ounce in here for an entire thing of brownies. And then some people come in and need 2 ounces to put in here. This is what I've been taught, you know? And then he tried to act like they know what the fuck they're talking about, but who knows if that was distributed equally, who knows how much it actually was per bite? Like the roll of the dice of the homemade edibles back in the day. Brownies, more specifically. You had no clue what you were signing up for. You had no idea I had won the coffee for 24 hours. I don't know. I think if you were to Compare it to milligrams, it might have been a 200 milligram bread that I ate. And I think the guy that made it was like, you should not eat that whole thing. And I was like, it's gonna be too crazy. And then 24 hours later, I was still feeling it. So where we are now, much better than where it used to be. Whenever it comes to, like predicting what it could be, unless you got like an AJ who says, hey, this could be like an eight hour thing or like a hour and a half thing for the flight, you tell me. And that's. That's kind of the game, I guess that's kind of the game in there. Two and a half, though, you're in a good spot. The CBD and THC ones, I enjoy. Enjoy a lot. Makes your joints feel better, I think. It does make me feel more comfortable. I think those are good. I think it's a good split. Two and a half, though, you still got. Which is good news, not bad news. You still got a lot of room to get to where AJ tries to get to. AJ's like, you want a potential coma. I got one right here.

[Dan Orlovsky]

No, it does the opposite. Gives you energy. You straighten your right knee and you get above a certain amount.

[Pat McAfee]

It's great for the joints. Tim McAfee Anti Smoking Forever, you know, hippies. I don't want to be a. Associated with a hippie. Never smoking dope. I ain't doing that. I say, nope. The dope. Tim McAfee said. And he had an edible. And he's like, my knees feel a little bit.

[AJ Hawk]

It's great.

[Pat McAfee]

My shoulders. What are these things I'm all doing? This ain't.

[Chuck Pagano]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

This ain't what. Yeah. Yeah, Tim. It's happened. This state, I think, is having a vote today or tomorrow. Indiana to potentially medicinal, which is good because there's.

[Chuck Pagano]

People think it'll pass. Do we have enough. It's very conservative, isn't it?

[Pat McAfee]

Very conservative state here.

[AJ Hawk]

Medicinal. So different, though.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

I could see that going. Recreation never. But I could see, like a medicinal new governor.

[Pat McAfee]

So be a new.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Kind of voice in the entire thing. And Holcomb did a lot of great things here in Indiana. I think, you know, people would say they appreciate what he did in his gubernatorial run and era here in Indiana. But, like, the weed thing, anytime it was brought up in any of these campaigns locally, it was always, I need to see more research. I need to see more research. I need to see more research. And it's like. It feels like there's a lot of research out there, especially for medicinal. For real things like arthritis and let alone the cancer.

[Chuck Pagano]

Leukemia.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. All that type of stuff. And then also the alternative, what it is, Big pharma, what that has happened, you know, so it's. I think we're in a. I think the ball's rolling. I think ball's rolling. Anytime we get to a state, though, where it's obviously legal, we can't bring it back to us back to Indiana. So we got to eliminate it somehow. And that is. That is.

[Chuck Pagano]

You can go. You can go suck down all the Marlboros you want in this state and drink all the damn beer and whiskey. But. Yeah, and cannabis is actually, you say medicinal. Good for you, but we're okay with the others.

[Pat McAfee]

Wow, you got a lot of big politics to play there. Big tobacco, big alcohol, big pharma.

[Ty Schmidt]

Also, who said cigs and alcohol is not good for you?

[Pat McAfee]

All right.

[AJ Hawk]

Some idiot.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. All right, Chuck, let's do a giveaway, shall we? 30 people, 500 on this big time. Aaron Rodgers Thursday, January 16, 2025 Chuck, all you gotta do is put the ball into the hoop right over there. If you're able to accomplish that task, 30 people are gonna be $500 richer. How do you feel about that? Pretty good.

[Chuck Pagano]

Feel really good.

[Pat McAfee]

Aj, how do you feel about Chuck putting this thing in there? There?

[Dan Orlovsky]

I feel really good. I think this first try, he's going to drain it.

[Pat McAfee]

Amen, Chuck. Do it for the people. Your Cactus Jacks. Oh, no. Holy hell.

[Boston Connor]

What the hell?

[AJ Hawk]

Didn't see that coming.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, get loose again.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Where's he going?

[AJ Hawk]

What are you doing?

[Dan Orlovsky]

What are you going?

[Pat McAfee]

Embarrassed himself when he looked at me at the good gate.

[AJ Hawk]

Not bad is a good gate.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Oh, just getting the ball.

[Ty Schmidt]

God, there's another one over.

[AJ Hawk]

That's lava.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Jeez.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Bill is jacked.

[Pat McAfee]

Bill is jacked.

[Boston Connor]

Beefcake.

[AJ Hawk]

Welcome to the show, Beefcake. Bill, it's a house.

[Dan Orlovsky]

It's a scary individual.

[Pat McAfee]

Chuck walked it off. I appreciate him doing that. Take a lap, Chuck. Take a lap. Take the long way home. Sit it down.

[Chuck Pagano]

Yep, that never happened.

[Pat McAfee]

Ladies and gentlemen, Chuck Pagano will attempt to win 30 people, 500. All he has to do is put that football into that hoop right over there in the Cactus Jack. Shout out to Travis Scott.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, some more like it would have been nice.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what we're talking about. That was a good shot. Hey, Coach Lou Holtz has something to say to you.

[Boston Connor]

Listen, I'm gonna refer to you as Charlie because you're younger than me and if I would have coached you, I probably would have called you Charlie. That. That first fucking throw. I'll tell you what, you'll never play for me, son.

[Chuck Pagano]

Ever.

[Boston Connor]

Throwing like that. That second throw. That's what I'm talking about. I saw you out here earlier. Throw pretty good. Enough with the excuses, old man. You know, I hear you talking about your gummies and your joints and all this shit. Act like you want it, for Christ's sake. Okay, Fucking put it in the hoop. All right, I'm sorry. I'm sick and tired of this sad sack bullshit. We got these people watching this.

[Pat McAfee]

This show.

[Michael Lombardi]

He's good people.

[Boston Connor]

He's God fearing, nice people. Men, women, Hulkamaniacs. There's probably a couple Hulkamaniacs watching the show as well. How about you win him somebody, huh? How's that sound? Okay, throw the football.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's go.

[Boston Connor]

Throw that some as hard as you can and make the shot.

[Pat McAfee]

30 people. 500 potentially. Chuck Pagano. Oh, mama. Thought it went in. That's right, this is the one.

[Boston Connor]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Tony Diggs, who's an AP voter. He has power and say. Has something to say to you, Chuck.

[Ty Schmidt]

Normally I'm a selfish human being. So I'd prefer you not to make this cuz it would embarrass me. Because I have not made one of these throws the last three attempts that I've been on this stage. But you know, coach Lou Holt's kind of inspired me.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

To cheer for the good people out there, the God fearing people out there. And so I. I wish you the best of luck on this upcoming throw, cuz I know you have it in your heart. I know you have it in your arm.

[Pat McAfee]

God bless. People are calling your last Ms. Rim job, saying that's what you've been dreaming about when you're on your edibles. Chuck Pagano. 30. What? You want this baby? Dude, 2.0.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Only need one.

[Pat McAfee]

You only get one shot, one opportunity. Don't miss your chance to blow, because opportunity comes once in a lifetime. Yo, 30 people, 500. Boston. Connor has something to say to you. He said you looked young earlier today.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't think you have a chance, to be honest with you. I think we've been doing this gimmick with you for I don't know how many weeks. I can't remember the last time you made it. I'm so close. I'm so close.

[Pat McAfee]

Look at this.

[AJ Hawk]

Look at me. I'm an old guy, but I can still throw the football right in his face. Have been close.

[Pat McAfee]

Right in his face. 30 people, 500 right in his face. That's what we're here for. That's what we're here for. You got doubters, you got haters. You got a chance to do something about it. Chuck Pagano.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, was it close again? I didn't see that would have been the one.

[Pat McAfee]

That would have been the best.

[AJ Hawk]

Was it close, guys? I didn't see it this time.

[Pat McAfee]

That would have been the best one of the season.

[AJ Hawk]

It was real close.

[Pat McAfee]

Look, now Connor can go home celebrating Papa Campino, who obviously is pulling hard for Connie Pagano. And everybody out there in Southern California has a message for you, Chuck, about how you've been doing as of late in this particular game. Chuck, look, there's an old saying says you're only as good as your last game. What's happened this year does not matter if you make this last shot, brother. Do you want to be remembered forever as a hero for 30 people to win $500? Or do you want to be the guy that hasn't been able to get a Thursday night bet right? Choice is yours, says Gumpy. Thirty people, $500 with the.

[Boston Connor]

That always happens when you go to the Duke. It's too heavy for him.

[Pat McAfee]

Bonus ball. No, it's gone. It's gone. Forever, man. It's a good attempt.

[AJ Hawk]

Another week.

[Pat McAfee]

I know you'll make it. I know you'll make it someday. Bill almost got his head splattered off.

[Chuck Pagano]

That's real.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. He's very close. He did not know about how loyal.

[Chuck Pagano]

And I mean, that's a good one. He didn't move.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. He's locked in.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's Bill.

[Pat McAfee]

That's why. Nothing's a hobby. It's a lifestyle. Exactly. That's Beefcake Bill. That's right. All right, we're out of here. Can't thank you guys enough. We'll be back tomorrow with a feel good Friday. And then we'll propel into divisional round weekend with an attitude that's never been seen before.

[Ty Schmidt]

Hell yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Such a positive one. Knowing that all the games are going to be fantastic. Then on Monday, not only do we have the national championship, Monday night, we're going to be live in Atlanta. I think we got some big time special guests stopping by.

[Chuck Pagano]

Hell yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Big time special guests. Might have been a little bit of a hint here today. Leave it at that. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice about change your life. Like Pizza Hut has. Yeah. Did you see it pop up there? I did. We're in the middle of a conversation. It was hard not to be like, pizza and wings. Pizza and wings.

[Boston Connor]

I know. My eyes just go right to it every time.

[Pat McAfee]

It was hard. It was hard not. Look at the cheese. Oh. Oh, man. Perfectly placed pepperoni.

[AJ Hawk]

I'm the pepperons.

[Pat McAfee]

Which team are you? Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

So you don't gotta choose a team.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Team Hut.

[Ty Schmidt]

Are they bone in? Because that's an easy decision.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. If it's bone in wings, I think it's a little bit closer battle. If it's a chicken nuggets with great sauce, which they have the best they do out of anybody, I think it's a little bit easier decision. But I would like to remain Switzerland.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm on both teams here.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

They're both great.

[AJ Hawk]

Amen.

[Pat McAfee]

But I appreciate that there are some people that say no one and we mean no one out. Pizza's the hut. And they refuse to try anything else from Pizza Hut. So they're definitely on team Pizza. But if you have the bone in wings, I think you're gonna say, wait a minute now.

[Boston Connor]

Change your life.

[Pat McAfee]

Wait a minute now. Because tin like wingy.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Love wingy.

[Pat McAfee]

They got friars in all their stores. So their wings are just like wing shops. But they don't happen to promote it as much. They more so promote the boneless and then pizza. Their wings. Bone in wings are legit. And their sauces are magnificent.

[Chuck Pagano]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

Shout out to Pizza Hut. Shout out. Shout out. Shout out. Let's get the hell out of here. Chuck, thank you for your great work this week. Love your notes.

[Chuck Pagano]

Thank you.

[Pat McAfee]

Love every single thing about it. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change your life. We're in this thing together. Let's never forget it. Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three. Goodbye.