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PMS 2.0 1279 - NFL Divisional Round Preview/Picks, Adam Schefter, Adam Pacman Jones, & AJ Hawk
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PMS 2.0 1279 - NFL Divisional Round Preview, Adam Schefter, Adam Pacman Jones, & AJ Hawk
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Pat McAfee
Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our humble abode. The Thunderdome on this Feel good. Friday, January 17, 2025. This program starts right now. Football is wonderful. We are just one day away from the divisional round of the NFL kicking off tomorrow. Two games. Two games on Sunday and then what on Monday? Oh, the college football national championship that we'll be on the sideline for. For another edition. Potentially the final edition of the field. ESPN too. We can't thank you all enough for allowing us to do this for a living. Football is on fire. We're lucky to be in the middle of all of it. The talks and tables here at Boston, Connor and at Ty Schmidt. Ty, you look fantastic. Good to see you.
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Connor
Hey, thank you.
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Ty Schmidt
You look great as well.
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Pat McAfee
How about Boston, Connor, right now rocking a brand new 50 jersey. How and why did that come to be Boston?
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Connor
About two weeks before the Patriots announced who their next head coach would be, I thought, you know, it's going to be Mike Frable. Like, what are we even talking about here? This is stupid. So there's obviously the red, the BL blue, the white, the blue and the white kind of the newer jerseys. I don't think Mr. Supreme Commander Mike Vrabel ever wore those. So I said, you know what? I'll get a red one. And it doesn't say Ray Wall on the back instead.
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Pat McAfee
What? Oh, okay. Okay.
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Connor
Says head coach.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah, I get it. Because that was his jersey. Yeah. But now he's the head coach of the team.
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Connor
Bingo.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah.
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Connor
So I think it kind of. It works in both ways. Obviously, you know, a 50 Mike Vrabel. Of course, that's not Rob Ninkovich. That's Mike Vrabel. And then you look on the back. Head coach. Yes, of course it's Mike Vrabel. Now, I. I didn't go white or blue. You know, maybe the Patriots change their jerseys. Maybe they go back to the old school. You know what? They used to be those kind of throwback ones, but permanently. But so I went with the red. Yeah, I'm very proud of this purchase. I would honestly.
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Pat McAfee
What size is that? Is that four pads? Is that to fit with pads on?
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Connor
Funny enough, it is double X. Just in case, you know, either Supreme Commander Mike Vrabel wanted it or if I had to throw some shoulder pads on, it would still work. So that's why I went with the double X also. That's all that was available. So it kind of is what it is in that sense. But I'm glad that I did it so that when I do need to wear it shoulder pads, which I'm sure will happen over these next eight months before the next season starts that I'll still be able to wear it.
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Pat McAfee
I heard Supreme Commander maybe knows of your existence, obviously, and then also said, hey, I'm gonna need a ride to and work if you can figure that out for me. Is that potentially what happened there?
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Connor
There's a chance. And look. Hey, look, it's open. I have. I have people that are waiting for that call to piggyback ride to pick up Mike Supreme Commander whenever he needs. And also I know these same people have very, very good connections in the nicotine department. So I. He would need possibly he would.
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Pat McAfee
Nick Dean Department FDA approved Zinn to go ahead and move forward, which is a wild development in it all. I think the big Tobacco is also running Big Zen. I think so.
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Ty Schmidt
Correct.
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Pat McAfee
It's kind of one thing to the other. Why potentially, nonetheless, the Zinners out there get a Zinn on the notch today. Zinn is now FDA approved, which I'm not 100% sure what that means, but I know this office is certainly pumped that it's not going anywhere. And I'm not talking about myself. I'm just talking about the random zins that are around everywhere. And I don't think our office is alone in this. I think it's rather large everywhere. Let's talk about the hat you have on just Cox across your forehead right now. Are you mayor of Cocktown today?
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AJ Hawk
No.
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Connor
I figured, you know, there's some football teams, especially on this weekend. You talked about how great it's going to be Saturday, Sunday, Monday. I feel like the Cox are one of those teams that are probably still thinking right now we should be in the national championship. And I don't want to say that they should because I think we got it right. I think the 7 verse 8 seed is perfect.
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Pat McAfee
You said, you know what, it's a national championship on Monday. Let's go back four rounds, bingo, and revisit the argument of who got in and who.
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Connor
And we remember, you know, we're talking about all these NFL teams that had great seasons. We're probably going to talk about a few more on Monday. Like, hey, it was still a great season. Cox. I just want them to know we.
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Pat McAfee
Remember they finished strong. The Cox strong almost is what people would say. And I think Shane Beamer is excited for what he's building down there in South Carolina. I think going forward, South Carolina is going to be in a great spot. They certainly ended the year in the right way. And that first round of college football playoffs, a lot of blowouts. So there was a lot of arguments on who got in, who should have got in, who shouldn't have got in. Then to go to the second round, guess what? Another round of it.
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Connor
Oh, yeah.
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Pat McAfee
Then we get to the semifinals. Good games. Now we're at the national championship. We assume Notre Dame and Ohio State are going to bring out the best in each other. And we'll say this. The messaging that's coming out of both teams, awesome.
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Ty Schmidt
Yes.
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Pat McAfee
Everything you would want from two teams that are, you know, laying on the line for one last time. You know, Jack Sawyer, captain Jack Sawyer, number 33 for the Ohio State Buckeyes, who had the strip sack and then the 92 yard scoop and score against Texas to put that game away down there in the Cotton Bowl. He had a Players Tribune article written and he said, one more, then forever. And basically this whole narrative started after last year, whenever he and a group of the guys that could have went and left to the NFL got on a group text and basically shared their thoughts about how, you know, we can come back and win the whole damn thing. We can come back and really rewrite the entire script. And he said it was very emotional in there. Some guys chose to leave. Some guys wanted to leave at the beginning. And then in the group text decided they wanted to come back. And they decided, one more season than we have forever as Buckeyes. Now there's one more game, then forever. What Captain Jack is saying in that article, the Players Tribune, wonderful. Then Riley Leonard, his message, and I don't know if it was his idea or if it was Coach Freeman's idea or whatever it is. They said history is written by the winners. Basically, the Conquerors is how they say you're holding the pen has been the messaging. So Jack Sawyer and the Buckeyes are like, one more, then forever. And then Notre Dame's like, hey, we're writing history right now. Those are two very power, powerful narratives combining on Monday night, clashing on Monday night. Two fantastic teams. Monday night is going to be awesome. Ty Schmidt.
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Ty Schmidt
Yeah, I cannot wait. And I think like you said to it, the closer we've gotten to this game, early on, I think everyone was like, okay, we've, we've seen Ohio State and what they've been able to do these last several weeks, they're going to blow out Notre Dame. They're way more talented. They have all the, you know, five star recruits. Their offense has been humming. I think we're going to get a Tight game. I really do. I, I, I think there is a world in which Notre Dame can absolutely win this game. I can't wait. I mean, the semifinals, both of them, I mean, in that game early on it was like, you know, we were there in Miami and it felt like, and Notre Dame, like, it just, it's just not their night. It was a great season, but when they have the opportunity to take the momentum and flip it, they flip the game on its head. They've done that in, you know, every single round thus far. So I can't wait for this game. Like Connor said, I think we got it right. I think this is one of the most anticipated college football matchups in a long time that's going to decide a champion.
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Pat McAfee
They were saying that the Thursday and Friday night playoff games had lower ratings than something in the past and yada, yada, I think there was a little bit of either confusion on how big the games were, that the games were a big deal and national championship. Everybody knows. Yeah, you know, like, this is it. So I think viewing patterns are going to have to get used to being four games, which for these two teams, they've had to do. They've had to show up four straight games against very good opponents and play their best game, show up in the biggest moments, make clutch plays, make clutch throws, make match massive clutch tackles, call a great game, make massive decisions and also deliver your message. If you're Marcus Freeman or Ryan Day four different times to get it through that this is the biggest game of your life. They've obviously been able to do that. That guy's different than everybody else that's going to be on the field. He'll be back next year again, hopefully for Ohio State. I assume it will be for Ohio State, even though we don't understand how college football works nowadays. There's a chance he plays for another team. I guess there's a chance somebody comes in and says, Jeremiah Smith, here's $30 million for you to come play for another school. I don't know if that's possible or even a thought at the moment for Jeremiah, Trayvon Henderson and this entire squad, but cannot wait for Monday night and then division around this weekend. Let's go to one half of the Hammer, Dad. Cowboys. AP Tone. We're checking out the weather. You know, we gotta, we're checking out the weather. We think it's gonna play a factor, especially in a couple of these games. Texans, Chiefs, obviously kicking everything off on Saturday. It is 4:30 kickoff. That kickoff will be 24 degrees the coldest it's going to get is about 20. It'll feel like it's 10 degrees. Shh. 11 to 13 mile an hour winds, that's pretty big. 11 to 13 is certainly palpable. And you will feel that Houston Texans obviously come from a dome. They're down in Houston normally humid and everything like that. Will that play a factor like it did for the Miami Dolphins last year? We shall see. Then Washington Commander is taking on the Detroit Lions. Now that's on Saturday at 8 o'clock. It's going to feel like it's 70 and Sunday kickoff, the coldest it's going to get is about 70 and sunny. And then it's going to feel like it's about 70 and sunny. Perfect. And you know, there's a lot of people that say, why don't we have that for all games? You know, especially with the amount of money we have, that beautiful Ford Field dome up there is going to be rocking for that one. Obviously Jaden Daniels and the boys coming in there, they have overachieved this season. I think they're going in there free against the Detroit Lions team that could feel it. Then Rams, Eagles, this one. You see all the snowflakes? That's not saying they're soft. That's not snowflakes. Softies around here. Okay. That's saying those Johns are gonna have to deal with 32 a kickoff, 31 coldest. It's gonna feel like it's 22, 10 to 11 mile an hour winds gonna be breezy, a lot of snow. They're thinking maybe three to five inches over there for that particular game. And then obviously Ravens Bills caps off an incredible division around weekend. It's gonna feel like it's 19 at kickoff. I'm sorry, gonna be 19 kickoff. Cul de scent. It's gonna feel like it's 11 with six to seven mile an hour winds. Damn. Only about an inch of snow being projected now at this time. Tone, when you look at this, who is at the greatest advantage with the way the weather is going to be throughout the division around weekend and how do you think it actually plays into the game's outcomes?
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Tone
Like a greatest advantage. And we've talked about this, we talked about it a lot. That first weekend of the College Football Playoff when it was the first time that teams were hosting and had home field advantage. And we talked about warmer teams coming up. We saw it with SMU going to Penn State. We saw it other places. When you look at this, I mean.
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Pat McAfee
Tennessee coming up to Ohio.
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Tone
Yes, Tennessee coming to Ohio State. When you look at this, it's obviously the Chiefs and Eagles who you would think have the biggest advantage because obviously you said Houston being the dome team, LA being a dome team, also being la Houston, both warm places going against Chiefs and Eagles who not only are warm or cold weather climates, these teams have played deep into playoffs in cold weather games in like in these situations before, like in the College Football Playoff. Even Ohio State, they had never played in December. Like Tennessee was coming from a warmer climate, but Ohio State still had these are teams in the Chiefs and Eagles that have made deep playoff runs and know what it's like to play in the cold. So obviously I think those two teams have the biggest advantage weather wise and.
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Pat McAfee
The way the Eagles play is a cold weather style. Matthew Stafford is who we're all banking on with Puka and Cooper and everything they got and obviously Williams is very good. But the Philadelphia Eagles have the best offensive line in the entire NFL, says AQ Shipley in the trenches. They also have the best running back in the NFL in Saquon Barkley. If you look at all of the stats, pretty much so you would think cold weather, a lot of snow that feeds right into what they're Saquon, Pennsylvania guy, Penn State guy played for the Giants, now he's playing for the Eagles. It's like Bill Ford born. I was born in it. Yeah. Doesn't mean he likes it. Okay. A lot of us who are born in the cold, we obviously have built up calluses to understand it. Doesn't mean we like it. It's just like okay, whenever we get dropped into it, we understand the suck a little bit more than most people. Not saying NFL players aren't and cold, there's going to be cold games. But whenever you're talking about three to five inches of snow, when you're talking about it feeling like it's 22 degrees, 10 to 11 mile an hour winds, I mean that is a mental test as much as it is a physical test. Philadelphia Eagles we think will be set up for that in a good way. But this LA Rams team has been surprising everybody through the entirety. Then you think about Ravens, Bills. Obviously the Bills in Bill's mafia are used to it feeling like it's 11 degrees. They're used to it being six to seven mile an hour winds. I assume they were hoping that maybe we get a little bit more snow so we can get a real Buffalo game. I think less snow the better for for the Buffalo Bills because if you think the way the Baltimore Ravens are built with Patrick Ricard and Derrick Henry in the backfield with Lamar Jackson. The power game that they could just play if it was to get a little messy, if this was become a mud game, become a snow game, if this become that, you think it would benefit the Baltimore Ravens as opposed to the Buffalo Bills. But they got Josh Allen.
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Connor
Yeah, exactly.
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Pat McAfee
Josh Allen is a wagon in of himself used to it comes from the mountains played over air. Wyoming obviously in Buffalo. Huge hands. Huge, huge hands. Abra spinning. Not that Lamar isn't used to it at this point. And then you talk about the Texans going to Kansas City. When Miami to Kansas City, it was just different ball game. I don't think Houston has the same softness as the Miami Dolphins team does. Tamiko Ryan's has a little different group of boys down there traveling up to Kansas City, but that'll certainly play into it as well. And from what we're hearing, there's a little T voodoo going on which we haven't even had to the graphic which we should because Taylor Swift's aura is certainly a part of the weather climate. Yeah.
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Connor
And even for the Buffalo game, like you mentioned, we looked earlier on the insights on NFL plus Premiums. NFL and the Bills are also one of the top teams when it comes to the jumbo personnel. They bring in Spank Brown, number 70. So it's almost like that game is going to be kind of favored for both of them with this weather. It might just be a ground and path. But then the other thing that we saw was, and Chuck Pagano mentioned this yesterday, I believe that the Bills stay in nickel personnel and they kind of brought that up in those kind of graphics that we saw about the game.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah, no matter what.
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Connor
No matter what, they kind of stay in it. And the Ravens kind of roll with Ricardo and their jumbo personnel. And I believe the thing that I saw was Todd monkin used it 16 times during the wild card round against the Texans last week. And so that if they continue to do that, especially with the kind of Bills not changing their defense like Chuck mentioned, they'll just roll it out there no matter what. Then the Ravens might just run wild. But again, like the Bills, they can do it as well because they use the jumbo.
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Pat McAfee
We love the thought of power football. And that is why all season, you know, the conversation is like, oh, this team looks good, this team looks good. But when push comes to shove, are they going to be able to win late in December, January to make it to February football. And it always revolves around the line it always revolves around style of play. Now granted, unless there's more teams with warmer climates that are going to start getting the home field and start getting seated higher, which we don't think is going to be possible, especially with the Chiefs existing, especially with Lamar existing, especially with Josh Allen existing, you name it. Now granted, Detroit is the perfect place for anybody to play because it's perfect conditions. It's also the perfect place for the Detroit Lions to play with the way they play offense. But when to get to the super bowl, which is going to be perfect climate, normally you're going to have to play some tough, tough ball. Does your team have it or not? That's what you should be thinking all offseason. Can our team win during the regular season? Who cares, D Ed? Who cares? Can you win? And when? It matters, because inevitably only one team is going to have a happy offseason. The rest of the 31 teams are going to be miserable. And if you get in one of these big time games that you've been dreaming of, you've been hoping for and you just get smacked in the mouth because you're not tough enough a la don't keep referencing this. The Miami Dolphins, yes, that is not a good way to end the season. That almost takes your hope away for future seasons. More than a team that didn't even make it to the playoffs. It's like, well, even if we make it, we got no shot. Massive four games. Can't wait to hang out on Saturday with the NFL, Sunday with the NFL, and then the college football national championship on Monday. Football is on fire. Let's talk about some drama, conversations, narrative being built. Jason Whitten was asked about potentially being the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. He said no comment. Now do you say no comment? Because he's not the best public speaker, as we learned on Monday Night Football. That makes sense potentially. But then there's another guy that's potentially going to the Dallas Cowboys. His name is Deion Sanders. We will be talking to friend and family, basically of prime time in the second hour. And Pac Man Jones front of the program. Hell yeah. He obviously is close with Dion. He was. Deion was actually on the Pac Man Jones show a month ago or two months ago and was basically laughing at the idea of him leaving Colorado. Now, I don't think at the time he understood what options were available and I don't think he's gotten a call from Jerry Jones at that time to potentially come be the head coach of the Cowboys. Now we're starting to Hear some rumors, you know, nil money is run dry, potentially Colorado, he's asked for more money to raise for his assistant coaches in this entire thing over there at Colorado. So now he's chit chatting about these things getting released. Pretty similar to what was happening in Jacksonville State when it was like, hey, we weren't able to get this. We weren't able to get this. Now Colorado, we're not able to have enough nil money. We're not able to have enough money to pay the assistant coaches. There's a lot of rumors coming out now from Colorado. I don't want to say justifying a move to the Dallas Cowboys, because I don't think he has to do that. Dallas Cowboys head coaching job is one that any college coach would probably take if they were offered it. But prime to the Dallas Cowboys feels a lot more real now than it ever has. Ty.
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Ty Schmidt
Yeah, without a doubt. And I think, you know, I mean, to Deion's credit like that, that's what you would do is, you know, he went to Colorado and kind of gave him the chance. It's like, hey, I want more money, you know, for. For my staff and for the Nil and all that kind of stuff. And if you are Colorado and I understand, you know, maybe the money's not there, maybe it's not available, but you see all this Cowboys stuff come out, you know, like, hey, that's a very enticing job, you know, his relationship with Jerry. So Dion kind of gave them every opportunity to be like, hey, you know what? Nope. You are our guy. You've turned this culture around. We'll give you whatever you need to continue to succeed. And if they weren't able to do that now, it seems like it.
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Pat McAfee
It.
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Ty Schmidt
It is just going to take Jerry, you know, flying his helicopter to Dallas or, you know, where Deon lives in Texas or wherever Deon's at, and say, hey, okay, what do I need to do to kind of get this thing done?
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Pat McAfee
Yeah. It's fascinating that we're starting to learn this, that this is getting leaked out there, you know, because now it's like, hold on.
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Ty Schmidt
It feels real.
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Pat McAfee
It does. It feels very real about Deion Sanders going to the Dallas Cowboys and every new piece of information that we hear about off the field stuff, potentially, it's like, wait a minute, is he starting to look around and be like, should I stay here?
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Ty Schmidt
Yeah. Sons aren't there anymore.
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Connor
And I do love.
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Pat McAfee
And this is what people have been saying, yeah, basically since the beginning of prime getting to Colorado, saying, hey, when his kids aren't there, is it going to be a different animal? Now he gets the number one recruit in the country to come play quarterback. Perfect timing. You know, the whole thing, pass the keys. And I genuinely think that prime was consumed. Stay at Colorado, and Jerry calls him up and says, we have an opening. You've already proven to be a good coach. You've already proven to be able to build a culture. You know, this organization, you know, this family feels like that is the biggest asset that prime has versus all these other candidates that could potentially be going to Dallas. Now. Dallas Cowboys are interviewing Kellen Moore, offense coordinator for the Philadelphia Eagles, who Troy Aikman referenced whenever he did his Monday Night Football kickoff show diatribe about the Dallas Cowboys not really being that coveted of a job and him thinking that Mike McCarthy was going to continue to be the head coach. Troy Aikman said, obviously, I have a lot of love for the Cowboys. I played there for 12 years. We had a lot of success. But I don't know if this is really a place that people want to go anymore with the way it's run, with the way it's operated. He said that Kellen Moore is forced on a Big Mike McCarthy. He said, Big Mike McCarthy was actually told, kellen Moore is going to be your offensive coordinator. So obviously, the Jones family loves Kellen Moore. He's been there before. Him and Dak get along very well. And also he'll be a guy that won't, you know, these young guys getting a first head coaching job. I'm not saying Kellen Moore won't have any ideas or opinions, but it's very easy to control, manipulate. I don't want to. I don't put these negative connotations on it. First time head coach, young lad guide. This is very much like, hey, boy, this is what we're doing. This is how we're doing it. As opposed to, you get a veteran coach that comes in there, he's going to have some ideas and thoughts and disagreements, you know, just like what happened potentially, although it was never confirmed. Doug Peterson in Philadelphia. Doug Peterson gets a head coaching job at Philadelphia. Hey, you just coached a team. We're gonna run everything else. Then Doug Peterson has a lot of success. Then Doug Peterson starts having his own ideas, opinions, and allegedly behind the scenes, that all kind of blew up. He takes a year off. He ends up down in Jacksonville. He has since been fired. But the thought was that whenever they hired Doug Peterson in Philadelphia, they could kind of control the entire operation. Ownership Lori Howie the whole thing. And then whenever Doug started getting a little bit more mafy. Yeah, this guy's getting a little chatty. And then it became a little bit of a problem, you know, down there in Jerry world. Is there a chance that Kellen Moore gets the opportunity as opposed to prime or as opposed to Witten? Mostly because they know what he's been able to do with that offense. They've seen him, they know him. And they also know that Kellen Moore is going to be very thankful for the opportunity. So anything that happens other than that, he's not going to have any issues with. There's a chance. That's why this Cowboys job is so, like, kind of held in high regard, is because you're gonna be on primetime every single week. Everybody's gonna know you. You're gonna have tours through the building. You gotta have somebody that understands that place to get that job. Is Kellen the guy that understands it enough. And also he's down with just being controlled and not having any say in a lot of stuff. Yeah.
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Connor
And I believe when he did leave Dallas, they didn't want him to. Like, when Kellen ended up leaving, it wasn't one thing where Jerry wanted that to happen. Kind of wanted to keep him. But that's why it feels like Deion almost feels like it makes more sen. Does end up, you know, coming to an interview and all those things. Because he is kind of that guy that gets all those things. He likes all the media and things like that that Jerry does. And it kind of feels like Dion can speak to Jerry the way that Jerry would kind of need to hear certain things. Like, Troy kind of made the entire point of you need someone who's going to tell Jerry no sometimes, or at least kind of battle back and forth with them. And if they do want to have somebody that you can kind of just guide and let Jerry steer the ship. Absolutely. Kellen makes sense, especially because he's been there. But like Dion, I feel like understands the star more than anybody else because of the fact that he played there, had success there.
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Pat McAfee
Well, and also, I assume Steven, growing up fan of Dion, Jerry Jr. JJ.
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Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
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Pat McAfee
Who we're just now learning of, probably loves him. Jerry Jones Jr. Yep. Triple J. That's a great name. We need to learn more about triple. Jerry Jones Jr. Down there probably grew up watching prime, you know, like, and I think there's even a commercial that was back in the day where Jerry Jones saying, get me prime or something like that, how much he has respect for Deion Sanders. So If Stephen, Jerry and Jerry Jr. Are all fans of somebody, that obviously puts it into respect level and then also puts prime in a position where he can say to Stephen like, hey, Steven, we need to be doing it. Hey, Jerry, maybe this, maybe this. To Jerry Jones, senior, like, the whole aspect of prime going there makes more and more sense. The more you talk about it, the more you think about it. Sucks for Colorado, for sure, especially with everything they were able to build there, the culture shift that happened there, everything. The all eyes on Boulder. Beautiful place. Absolutely gorgeous place. But in reality, not a lot of college coaches would be turning down an opportunity to be the Dallas Cowboys head coach, especially if you have a lot of history there and you became a Hall of Famer basically because of a lot of the work that you did for the Dallas Cowboys. Joining us now might be a man who has more information on the situation. Senior NFL Insider for espn. Adam Schefter, Shefty. What's up, guys? Hey, how are you doing, brother? Thank you for joining us. We're talking about the Cowboys situation with prime because this is sports media dream, but it's also a massive college football story. It's a massive NFL story. There's precedent story. There's a lot going on here. What do you think the reality of the situation is down there in Dallas? Prime has real opportunity. Whitten has real opportunity. Kellen has real opportunity. Who's making decisions. How do you end up seeing this working out? You think Shefty?
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Adam Schefter
Well, Jerry's team. So I think it starts with Jerry, and I think we go from there. And I think Kellen Moore is somebody that knows that system, knows that organization, knows that culture, gets along great with Dak. I think there's a lot there that tells you that Kellen Moore is going to be in play for this job. And if Jerry Jones wants to take a big swing and go for Deon, go pay the buyout, which, again, I don't think he'd be thrilled about doing, or ways to navigate that. Maybe he has Netflix partner up with him to help take on some of the costs. Not that Jerry can't afford it or anything.
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Pat McAfee
What is it?
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Adam Schefter
But I don't think that that $10 million buyout is completely insignificant in this particular occasion. So we'll see. They've got Robert Sala today. They're talking to him. The former New York jets head coach Kellen Moore, Leslie Frazier coming up here. Those are the known candidates so far. Deion's always there. Jerry knows where to find him. Deon knows where to find Jerry Dion was planning to go snowmobiling in Colorado this weekend, although I was told it's supposed to be as cold as it's ever been there this weekend. So I don't know if his snowmobile plans are still on in the mountains. We'll see if he's tough enough to go do that or not. So, Dallas again. Dallas is on its own time schedule here. The people, the candidates that the Cowboys are pursuing seem to be different than the candidates that most other teams have on their horizon and their radar. So it's not like Dallas needs to rush to go make a decision. Jerry Jones will be able to go through his process. Think about it. And by the way, I'm sure during the course of this, he'll probably change his mind a couple of times. One day feel a certain way, another day feel a different way. But he'll have enough of a foundation to make what he believes is the best decision for the Dallas Cowboys.
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Pat McAfee
That's Jerry Jones football also. Jerry Jones football didn't make his decision about Mike McCarthy until after Vrabel was already hired at another spot, so didn't even get a chance to interview, which a lot of people think was the number one coach in this entire hiring cycle. He's already gone to New England, which was seemingly already in the stars to begin with. Last thing here about the Dallas Cowboys. Before we pivot off anywhere else, Coach Sala. I know there's only 32 head coaching jobs. I don't know how many years he had left on his contract with the jets when he got fired. He's not signing up to join another family business, you know, with how that whole thing worked out in New York. Is there a thought about that? Is it still a coveted job by people that are outsiders to the Dallas Cowboys? Kellen in there, prime in there, Whitten in there, Leslie Frazier. I don't know what his history is over there. And once again, remember, prime and Zimmer have a relationship. Zimmer, CURRENT DEFENSE COORDINATOR for the Dallas Cowboys Is there still an idea that if you're an outsider for the Cowboys Cowboys, you want to go into Jerry World and coach for that team?
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Adam Schefter
Oh, I think people would love to go coach the Dallas Cowboys. And by the way, like, those are all the names we also have, like, in that organization. I think the Jones family has a pretty high opinion of Brian Schoenheimer, the offensive coordinator, and I don't think anybody's interviewing him. So if they were in a spot, well, that's another name that you'd look at, I think, of Anthony Lynn in Washington. I know a lot of people have showered attention on Cliff Kingsbury, but Anthony Lynn is in charge of Washington's run game, has been a head coach, has worked for Jerry Jones before. So I think there are even more candidates in the background that haven't been mentioned yet. That gives Jerry a certain sense of comfort that he doesn't have to rush. There are a group of people that he likes, respects, trust, believes in, whether that's Kellen Moore or Robert Sala or Deion Sanders or they go on and they consider guys like Brian Schottenheimer, Anthony Lynn. So there are a lot of guys out there that would fit the bill. And yes, Pat, I think people would love to be the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. Love to be. There are 32. 32 head coaching jobs, and there's one job that is the head of the circus in Dallas, and that's what that is right now.
- [27:30]
Pat McAfee
Didn't sound like you said Ben Johnson's name. His name also in the list, being the top coaching candidate. I don't know if he's just intrigued to go jump into the Dallas Circle Circus, but they'll find their guy. We assume they will. We assume they'll be able.
- [27:43]
Adam Schefter
I don't expect. I don't expect Ben Johnson to be in play in Dallas. I think Jerry has other ideas. I think Ben Johnson has other ideas and don't think that he's a logical leading candidate there right now. Not because of his coaching, but he's getting a head coaching job. He is getting one. It's just not going to be in Dallas.
- [28:01]
Pat McAfee
Okay, so where's he going to get a head coaching job?
- [28:05]
Adam Schefter
Well, I know everybody's got Ben Johnson anointed to the Raiders. I'm not in that camp right now, so I'll have to believe it before I see it.
- [28:14]
Connor
Jacksonville.
- [28:15]
Pat McAfee
No, we're not just going to start listing off Jacksonville. Maybe just look at the eyes. Ooh, look at the eyes. I got him.
- [28:21]
Adam Schefter
Here's my question again. I don't know where he's going to go. He's going to have, I think, three realistic options. But why. Why is everybody ignoring Chicago when it comes to Ben Johnson? Why has that been just dispelled? I don't get it. What am I missing here?
- [28:37]
Pat McAfee
I think we all think the Chicago Bears organization is shite. So whenever we hear that Ben Johnson. Not that. That's. We're not saying that. That's just. It seems like it's a bit of a Shite show. Yeah, that is what it seems like. So whenever we hear Ben Johnson, we think back to last year when Ben Johnson was like, I'm going to be very picky about where I go because he has options. Be who you afford to be.
- [28:56]
Adam Schefter
Okay, so. So if you're going to be very picky. And again, I know that this Raiders freight train has gathered a whole lot of steam and I don't want to slow it down because by the way, I want to say for the record, it could happen. He could be the coach there. But I am not just convinced just yet that that's going to be the way it's going to be when we're talking about picking situations. If you're picking the Raiders, you're telling me that Ben Johnson turned down the chance to go coach Jaden Daniels last year, turn that down, so he could go to a place this year in Las Vegas without a top pick, without a quarterback that plays in a division with Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert, Bo Nix, Andy Reid, Jim Harbaugh, Sean Payton. Does that make sense to you?
- [29:43]
Pat McAfee
No, it doesn't. That way? No, it is not.
- [29:47]
Adam Schefter
I'm just wondering, like, I'm just laying it out there like that.
- [29:50]
Pat McAfee
Then you talk about the NFC north, though. He knows what the NFC north is. So Chicago, if we want to play that game. Now, granted, they have Caleb Williams TBD on whether or not he'll be a great NFL quarterback or just a great NFL prospect in the entirety of it all. He's already been through two offense coordinators. Sucks for him. Ben Johnson gets in there, maybe lays it down. But the NFC north, you got Kevin O'Connell, you got MCDC. And then obviously the thought of him going in and having to take on Jared Goff in the floor, obviously, but having to take on the juggernaut that he helped create up there in Detroit. Every single year, two times. Yeah. Then you start nitpicking on that decision. Then you go to Jacksonville. It's like the AFC South. The FC south is a juggernaut, too. Shefty. You know that. You know that. So he's going to have.
- [30:35]
Adam Schefter
My only point here. My only point here is I think there's been this overreaction in the media. What, to anoint Ben Johnson to Las Vegas when Jacksonville and Chicago are still in play. That's all I'm saying.
- [30:52]
Pat McAfee
Okay, okay, okay. We'll keep it in. We'll write down. We'll put it on a seat geek ticker. We'll put it on a seat ticker and we will remind everybody via words across the bottom of the screen. Ben Johnson in Las Vegas is not a guarantee, says Adam Schefter. Even.
- [31:06]
Adam Schefter
And by the way, he's. He still could wind up out there. I'm not saying he's not.
- [31:09]
Pat McAfee
I'm just.
- [31:10]
Adam Schefter
I'm not willing to anoint them. The favorites right now.
- [31:14]
Pat McAfee
Ben Johnson to the Raiders is not a guarantee, says Adam Schefter. Parenthesis could happen. No.
- [31:20]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [31:21]
Pat McAfee
Bingo parentheses. I think that's accurate reporting there. Okay, got it. That's everything in the NFL world. Let's talk about the New England Patriots having to make some hires. Go ahead, con man.
- [31:31]
Connor
Yeah, Chef D. Vrabel searching for an OC DC Is there any liens right now? Who are they interviewing? Because I really haven't heard much out of that camp. And also, could you see a possible, you know, former head coach like Salah or even a Doug Peterson kind of take that role as an OC or DC because they don't want to be a head coach again?
- [31:51]
Adam Schefter
Well, you know, Mike Vrabel's got so many connections and, yeah, he does such history with so many people, and he's the first guy hired. He's going to be able to assemble his staff. But like with anybody, any hiring, you have to go through the process. You have to do your diligence on all these different cadets. You have to make sure that it's the right move. Move. You're not rushing into anything. And honestly, now that they have their head coach, the next most important hire that the Patriots make will be who are they hiring to influence, mold, and shape the future of their franchise quarterback? It's a critical hire. Again, we've heard the name Josh McDaniels. I think that that name makes an awful lot of sense. It would be logical. He's in the Foxborough area. But I think Mike Vrabel has got to hear from a lot of different people and make sure that he feels like he's doing the right thing before he goes and hires whoever he does for that head coaching job.
- [32:49]
Pat McAfee
Got it. Because, you know, in our mind, we just kind of start piecing Vrabel to different people in hirings. It's like, well, he and Artie Smith did a lot of great things together down here in Tennessee. Artie Smith actually came up through the Vrabel camp. I. I do believe how I got there Now. Artie Smith obviously still with the Pittsburgh Steelers. So how does that whole thing work out? And Artie Smith getting head coaching interviews. I do believe Josh McDaniel is obviously a possibility because of the history, especially up there in that whole thing.
- [33:17]
Connor
Yeah, Josh McCown's been linked because of the connection with Drake, man, high school, he coached.
- [33:22]
Adam Schefter
Josh McCown's going to be in Minnesota next year unless he gets head coaching job.
- [33:25]
Pat McAfee
Okay, let's stay in Minnesota. Ty has a question for you.
- [33:27]
Adam Schefter
Unless he gets a head coaching job and once he gets a coaching job.
- [33:29]
Pat McAfee
Is that possible or no? You think Josh McCown high up on some lists?
- [33:33]
Adam Schefter
Yeah, well, no, listen, you know, if you remember a couple of years back, he was Texans very much in the discussion in Houston and then the Texans went a different direction, so. And I think Josh McCown is going to be a head coach one day. I don't know that it's going to be this year or next year or the year after, but I think he's going to get a chance at some point in time. And look, if we're going to be honest here, the interesting thing about this whole cycle right now, and I've said it to you before, I said it to you this week, I'll say it again. Aaron Glenn and Ben Johnson are getting head coaching jobs. They're getting head coaching jobs. The interesting part is. Oh, no, the other four jobs. That's what we need to pay attention to here because I don't know that we can say with any clear cut certainty who candidate number three is. Who's the third guy after Glenn and Johnson? Those guys are getting jobs. There's two of the six. Who are the other four? Is it Robert Saleh? Is it Brian Flores? Is it Josh McCown? Is it Joe? Joe Brady? Like, who? Is it Mike McCartney? Is it Jason Wynton? Is it Deon? There's, there's a lot of guys out there, but it's going to be a question of which organizations prefer which guy. The only two guys I feel confident right now and saying they're getting jobs are Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn.
- [35:01]
Pat McAfee
Aaron Glenn's going back to the jets, right? That seems like the very easy.
- [35:06]
Adam Schefter
I think Aaron Glenn is in play in New York. I think he's in play in New Orleans. I think he's in play in Las Vegas if he wants. So there's a lot, there's a lot of people. There's a lot of places I think Aaron Glenn will be interested in.
- [35:21]
Pat McAfee
Shout to McDC, his coaching tree. It's going to be a great one. Got to win a Super bowl, boys. Let's go. No, no, no. We're worried about future jobs, brother. Okay? We're worried about future jobs, playoffs. Okay. Yeah, of course. That's Aaron Glenn and Ben Johnson. They're locked in. That's why they are so highly regarded. But let's talk about Josh McCown and let's talk about Minnesota. Ty has a question for you.
- [35:40]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, Chef D, what's going on with KOC up there? We heard the, you know, reports from Jake Laser a couple of weeks ago saying, hey, you know, there were talks that they might trade Kevin O'Connell because, you know, he only had one year left on his deal and they hadn't, you know, got anything done yet. And then he's, he said he's been in, you know, he's had a great dialogue with the owners and everything. But what exactly is happening there and why hasn't he been extended yet? When you look at his body of.
- [36:07]
Adam Schefter
Work, is it possible, I don't see him getting traded. I think that the Wilf family is going to want to hold on to him. Him, he's going to be entering the last year of his deal. I think teams that have coaches who they've identified as their future don't typically let guys go into the last year of their deal. And so I would imagine at some point in the coming days, weeks, whatever it may be, that the Wilf family and Kevin O'Connell sit down and figure out an extension. Now, they didn't get one done this season. And to me, the price on Kevin O'Connell rose because of the type of year that he had in, because of the type of recognition that I think everybody showered on him. They see the kind of person he is and they see the kind of impact he's had and the culture he's created. And I think we all know how important that is for any head coach in the NFL. And he's done that there in Minnesota. And I expect that he's going to be rewarded for it this off season.
- [37:03]
Pat McAfee
What's, what's it going right for high end NFL coach? Is that like 10 to 15 million a year?
- [37:10]
Adam Schefter
Well, I mean, look, I think the salary make gross generalizations, but I think typical first year salaries have been about 8 million, $9 million. I think guys in the middle tier, you know, 11, 12, 13, and then the top tier, we're talking about 17, 18, $19 million a year, $20 million.
- [37:30]
Pat McAfee
So Kevin O'Connell is getting 17 to 20 million a year? Yes. Like that's, I don't know.
- [37:34]
Adam Schefter
Listen, he's going to get as much as he can get yet I don't know his last deal his first deal, I think, if my memory serves me correct, he's under 8. I'm going to guess he's around 7. So the next deal, I think would get him in the. I don't know, the low teens, maybe. Like, the Wilfs may be watching this and be like, what, is he out of his mind? But you know What? But Kevin O'Connell wants to play it out.
- [38:04]
Pat McAfee
17, 18. There's a lot of open jobs right now.
- [38:07]
Ty Schmidt
Kevin O'Connor, you're talking about.
- [38:08]
Pat McAfee
Aaron Glenn, Ben Johnson. You know who number three would be? Kevin O'Connor.
- [38:12]
Tone
He'd be number one.
- [38:13]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, exactly. I mean, that would be.
- [38:14]
Adam Schefter
Well, here's what you have to figure. If the Wilfs don't step up and give him what we all would agree in an objective way is a fair offer, then Kevin O'Connell could say, I'm not going to sign that. And then he goes into the last year of his contract and he's a coaching free agent next year. And if you're a coaching free agent, do it. What would Kevin O'Connell get on the open market? You're asking me? I would say Kevin O'Connell would get 20. Well, first of all, we have to see how next year goes. But if he had the kind of season next year that he did this past year, my guess is Kevin O'Connell is in the $12 to $14 million year range.
- [38:54]
Connor
Bump that up.
- [38:54]
Pat McAfee
Sounds like you're trying to help out the Wolf family here publicly, and I respect that. I appreciate what you're doing here. Here. This guy's. This guy's. He won 15, 14 games this season with a quarterback getting paid $13 million who's never had success before. Year before that, he had a pastor not playing quarterback. Well, it's like that guy's the guy.
- [39:11]
Ty Schmidt
13 a couple years ago.
- [39:12]
Pat McAfee
And then we see the clip of him in the locker room chewing out his team, too. It's like this guy.
- [39:16]
Adam Schefter
Listen, I'm a huge. Kevin O. I think he's. I think he's one of the best coaches in the league. He's one of the best installers of culture. But again, Well, I. I don't want to. I'm not going to make a debate on it. I'm just telling you that's. That's my opinion hanging. That's all I'm going to say. I think that's the open market. That's what I think you get. I'm not going to start stating why he wouldn't get the top price, because I'm a Huge, Kevin. Ok. That's what I think it would be.
- [39:38]
Pat McAfee
Okay, Chef. He's like, I'm not going to start negotiating against Kevin O'Connell here publicly. I'm just letting you know, after my 30 years of experience in this business, this is what, 35? Okay, sorry. All right, well, Kevin O'Connell. Go get it, boo.
- [39:51]
Connor
Yeah, go get 20 mil, cat.
- [39:53]
Adam Schefter
You deserve a big go again. Hey, get what's fair. That's all I'm saying for everybody, right? Everybody should know what's fair.
- [39:58]
Pat McAfee
All parties, how we all win. And also, Kevin O'Connell, I think, takes a lot of pride in the fact that he's been able to do this with the Minnesota Vikings. I think he loves that organization. I think he's very appreciative. Brian Flores being a defense coordinator. Big deal with that entire thing. He might be gone. How does he fill that spot in? There's a lot of question marks over there. Who's our quarterback? I mean, there is a lot to figure out. Minnesota, the head coach is obviously one of them. Any updates right there. You get an update day right there. Is that a news.
- [40:21]
Adam Schefter
Nothing. Nothing of any significance right now.
- [40:24]
Pat McAfee
Crop news update. Jack Del Rio's coaching in Paris. Is that what you just. Is that the text that you just got a little bit of?
- [40:31]
Adam Schefter
I knew that. I knew that one was going to send shock waves through the NFL. I knew that.
- [40:35]
Pat McAfee
Just a little dust up over there.
- [40:37]
Connor
Yep.
- [40:37]
Tone
Good luck against. Good luck against Ryan fire and Tom Sula.
- [40:40]
Adam Schefter
Hey, from what we know about right now.
- [40:42]
Pat McAfee
Go ahead.
- [40:42]
Adam Schefter
I got my par. I got my Paris Musketeers jersey. I am ready to rock it this up.
- [40:46]
Pat McAfee
Well, when you go over there, you're going to need your nose plugs, too, because those people smell so bad. They need one of these, not thousand of these.
- [40:53]
AJ Hawk
Yeah.
- [40:53]
Pat McAfee
Jack Del Rio is going to be praying to God that dove sends a million whole body dos over there. Great. Beautiful culture. Beautiful culture.
- [41:02]
Connor
Beautiful city.
- [41:03]
Pat McAfee
Beautiful city. Beautiful. Got a chance to go over there. Obviously love it, but boy, your nose really starts talking to your brain saying, this place stinks. Because it actually does. Jack Del Rio, everything we know about him, dust up and all that. I don't know how he's gonna fit.
- [41:16]
Ty Schmidt
He's perfect for.
- [41:17]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I'm excited for him, though. More football overseas. Great for the game. Thankful that he's doing it. Good luck over there. To your point, though, the Ryan fire problem.
- [41:26]
Connor
Yeah.
- [41:26]
Tone
Jim Thomas, I believe they won back to back.
- [41:28]
Pat McAfee
What? Yeah, dog.
- [41:29]
Connor
The Chiefs over there.
- [41:30]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, they are currently, you know, first time since the Amsterdam Admirals without Terry go three straight. I mean, that's a whole story in of itself. The Euro League was sick. That was awesome.
- [41:41]
Connor
Might have its juice back.
- [41:42]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, maybe. Especially if Jack Del Rio's going over. Sorry, we're taking up all your time, Jim. Tom Sewell getting another crack, mostly because I think they decided he's just good overseas. Let's just keep his ass overseas. We found where he's at. Let's come back to America. Let's go to a town that built all the other towns.
- [41:57]
Tone
Well, bingo.
- [41:58]
Pat McAfee
Still the home of steel. You see your building. You're welcome. From Pittsburgh. Tone has a question for you.
- [42:05]
Tone
Yeah, Shefty, earlier this week, you were on, and I believe you told us to quote, where Tomlin said he imagines change coming on a lot. Lot of levels. How much change we've had so far?
- [42:16]
Pat McAfee
Zero donuts. Now, I don't want to call.
- [42:19]
Tone
Huh?
- [42:20]
Adam Schefter
It's a few days.
- [42:21]
Tone
I don't want to call for anyone's job, but when are the heads gonna roll?
- [42:29]
Adam Schefter
You know what? Again, the off season's young. Let's give this some time. I don't know exactly what they're gonna do, but the head coach himself said what he said. I mean, I just think he was speaking in a general term. Like, I'm not expecting major, major changes. Like, what do we think is going to happen? I think it's typical of any roster in any given year turns over, however much it does. There are some changes on the coaching staff. Like, I don't know that it's going to be any more dramatic in Pittsburgh than it is anywhere else. Like, the head coach is back, the GMs back, the owner's back. We have two quarterbacks who are free agents. That's a big question mark going forward. Board, you got a running back who's a free agent who's been very good. Who do you want him to fire?
- [43:16]
Connor
Everyone top, top to bottom.
- [43:19]
Pat McAfee
Tone wants, like, transfer portal nil. I need 50 new guys in here. I need. That's what Tone was. TJ can stay. Could have to figure that out. He's actually on his final year of his contract. Gonna have to figure that whole thing out. There's a couple other guys we don't mind trade for.
- [43:33]
Tone
Josh Allen, too.
- [43:35]
Pat McAfee
I don't know if Bean's going to do that. I don't know if Bean's going to do that. But that's where the Pittsburgh Steelers fans are. They're like, hey, something drastic has to happen. We were told something Drastic is going to happen. And every time they wake up and nothing has happened, they get more mad. That's the ends of football. That's how it is. And then they're going to go in the next season believing they could potentially win a Super bowl. And that's going to be about five, six weeks in, and they're going to go, we're so fucking stupid. We thought this was going to work yet again. Yeah, that's the cycle. That is the cycle of Steelers fans. And I can. I can feel it for him, too, because colts haven't won AFC south in more than 10 years, 11 years now. Haven't even danced and play. I haven't even had a chance. And they've paid people at every position. People are going through their second contracts here in this culture and haven't won anything. Okay? So a lot of people are wondering what the hell is going on next year. I think is the year. I think it is the year. But I don't even. I don't think Colts fans are even, like, envious of, like, Steelers fans. Like, they make it into the playoffs, they have a winning season every single year, and then they get dumped. So their draft picks are always shite. I don't want to say crop because it's still a first rounder, but it's never really good. It's not enough failure to make any changes, wholesale changes. Just kind of got to put some band aids on. But I think you guys are going to figure it out. This. I agree. I think there's a lot happening this potential offseason, including a friend of ours. Shefty Tyler has a question for you.
- [44:53]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, Chef? On Wednesday, we had Dan Orlovsky on the show, and in so many words, he basically said, hey, listen, coaching is my calling. I'm ready to kind of throw my hat into the ring here and see what's going on. Have you heard his name heating up at all in terms of quarterback coach openings, offensive coordinator openings, or anything like that? Because like I said, he basically said, hey, your time is up, my time is now. I'm ready.
- [45:20]
Pat McAfee
That's John Cena, what he just said here. Basically, Yeah.
- [45:24]
Adam Schefter
I think Dan's been talking to some teams and seeing if there's something that interests him and is worthwhile for him. I'll let him answer that right now.
- [45:34]
Pat McAfee
Well, he did a full coaching interview on the show, started breaking it all down, and then after our show, he said, I did get a text from another team and another potential coach, a candidate, saying, hey, am I being real it does feel like he's being serious this time. I don't know if that's because. Because of what's going on TV business wise, or if this is just another year of thinking about it. It feels.
- [45:53]
Adam Schefter
I think, I think. I think Dan aspires to be a head coach in time, and that's what he'd like to do. And so he's been talking to people to see if there's a spot that would work for him, and it's not automatic. He does a great job on tv and obviously he could stay in TV and do that for the rest of his career if that's what he wanted. But I think at his core, I think he misses being a part of a football team. And if the right football team came along and spoke his language and said the right things and presented the right opportunity, I think he'd go be a quarterbacks coach with the idea that he would try to start moving up the coaching ladder in time. I think he's 41. I think he'd like to be a head coach here like, like a lot of people in the coming years. And at some point in time, he'd like to start moving up that career. So again, we'll see how he handles it, his life, whether he wants to do TV or coaching. But, Bill, it sounds like. It sounds like he's going to have opportunities to join football teams if that's what he wants.
- [46:55]
Pat McAfee
Oh, what is it? Is that Dan Orlovsky saying, keep my name out of your mouth?
- [46:59]
Tone
Definitely, John.
- [46:59]
Pat McAfee
Is that what that was? Don't you talk about me and my family. Not on the NFL Live team. Yeah, that's what. When he said it wants to be a. Of a team the other day, I'm like, so lucky that we have this. You know, where we do feel like we're part of a team, there is some. What is that? Is that Dan Orlovsky or is that a team saying, is Danielski being for real? We want to make him our O.C.
- [47:19]
Adam Schefter
Nope. Nope.
- [47:22]
Pat McAfee
But.
- [47:23]
Connor
But it's real. You're still looking.
- [47:25]
Ty Schmidt
Certainly something.
- [47:26]
Pat McAfee
What was it? What was it?
- [47:31]
Connor
Tweet it, then say it.
- [47:32]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, you could tweet it. Do your whole song and dance.
- [47:36]
Adam Schefter
Thanks, Pat.
- [47:37]
Pat McAfee
We'll read your Twitter. You know, we'll do the whole thing. We'll do the whole thing.
- [47:40]
Adam Schefter
You know, no tweets coming. No incoming tweets.
- [47:42]
Tone
Huh?
- [47:42]
Pat McAfee
What was that? That seemed like you're pretty joyful, though. Somebody sends you a picture or something like that.
- [47:46]
Tone
Something happening.
- [47:50]
Adam Schefter
Just something.
- [47:53]
Pat McAfee
It's Something. Just something season. It's just something season. Was that related to work right there, there?
- [48:00]
Adam Schefter
No, not, not NFL.
- [48:03]
Pat McAfee
Oh, not NFL. College ball. Deion Sanders. Is that what that is? High school football?
- [48:09]
Adam Schefter
Dan might not be the only one who has people talking to you about joining a team. I'm just telling him, okay, you do the words.
- [48:15]
Pat McAfee
You do the words. You're going to go be a general manager of a college football team. What a move that would be by you just wheeling and dealing. And let me tell you this, if there's any college team that are offering you any position in the football world, before you sign anything to anybody, we at West Virginia would like to chat with you. We would like to potentially get your resources into Morgantown if you're going to go anywhere. Your family would love living on Sheet Lake. Oh my God. It would be fantastic. Nonetheless, last thing here. And we know you're taking, we're taking up a lot of your Friday, so we appreciate you joining us. So Bloomberg, Roger Goodell did a Bloomberg article and, and there's a lot of things that came out of it. Pro football talks. Mike Florio was Talking about the 18 game season being the logical next step. Obviously this is not the first time that Roger Goodell has chatted about this. If you could take a minute 15 with us here, Schefter, to hear the conversation that I had with Raj at the NFL draft and then give us your thoughts afterwards, we'd be very grateful. Run it, Foxy. Now, the NFLPA is always going to fight against having more games. Is there a plan to continue to expand because 17 games feels good now. Like at the beginning, I think a lot of players and I don't want talk for in the locker room. There's probably a lot of offensive linemen and things like that are telling me to shut the hell up. But as, as Fans, it's like 17 Games has just become like status quo. Is there a thought of adding another one? Maybe adding another bye week so we can get more exposure, more TV deals or where are we good at 17 right now? Well, I think we're good at 17 now. But listen, we're looking at how we continue. I'm not a fan of the preseason. I, I don't think we need waste of time. Right. And energy. I, I don't buy it and I.
- [49:46]
Adam Schefter
Don'T think these guys like it either.
- [49:47]
Pat McAfee
Well, that's a full spend, full price for the tickets for those games. No, they're actually discounted now. We just thank you for doing. We got.
- [49:54]
Connor
That's our commitment.
- [49:57]
Pat McAfee
Thank you, Comm. But the reality is, you know, I.
- [50:00]
Connor
I think I'd rather replace a preseason.
- [50:02]
Pat McAfee
Game with a regular season any day. That that's just picking quality, right? So if we get, if we got to 18 and two, that's not an unreasonable thing. The other thing it does, which I thought you were going to, is that ends up on President's Day weekend, which.
- [50:17]
Connor
Is a three day weekend, which makes.
- [50:18]
Pat McAfee
The Sunday night and then you have Monday off. So that's wow, now we're cooking. See, now we're cooking. Okay. So he said he already has visions of what the schedule would look like we'd have Monday off after the super bowl, which everybody has been yearning for for a long, long time. He said, I don't like preseason game. Okay. It's more opportunity for injuries. Nobody really, it doesn't matter. So shortening the preseason game seems like it's been on Goodell's mind for a while. Adding the 17th game as soon as it happens. We all said, well, we're going to get to 18. Then he said in a Bloomberg article, now it's being reported about yet again. What have you heard from around the league and what do you think the chances are moving and when would that be next cba?
- [50:57]
Adam Schefter
Well, in all honesty, did he say anything there that we didn't know? Like again, I'm going to tell you, right? It's going to happen. Exactly what he said. Like everybody's no, everybody knows this is coming. We're going to get 18 games. We're going to get the Sunday night Super bowl before President's Day, everybody takes off. President's Day becomes the national holiday that it is. The shortened. Like, I mean this is stuff that everybody's talked about. The only question is when does it begin, right? Like is that in two years is right, right before the end of the CBA. Is it right at the start of the new CBA? I don't know. But 18 game schedule, seasons coming, the prolonged seasons come, more international games come like all these. Pat, there's nothing here that's surprising at all. Right? And what am I missing?
- [51:42]
Pat McAfee
Well, I mean actually confirming it would be a. It's all been like kind of ingest hypothetical if they're coming or those greedy corporate fat cats. And if you add an extra bye week now you got two more weeks of primetime games to be able to sell to networks and the amount of money that that'll do and bring in for the salary cap is how they sell it to the players and everybody else Would be gigantic. So I could see it certainly taking place. Sold.
- [52:06]
Adam Schefter
Not selling. Sold.
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Pat McAfee
Sold. It's coming. Okay. I don't know how players feel about it. How about the NFLPA is firing or laying off 150 employees? How many fucking employees they got over there? That's great. Too many. Who's taking all the damn money at the NFL player? Pa I've never been an NFLPA supporter, okay. Never in my life. I thought they've been like, I'm not going to say crooks, but like dumb. I think the way they've gone about doing things has been very dumb. I mean, you just go back to whenever they tried to negotiate the deal and Jeff Saturday had to step in and be like, let's get a deal done. Not that Jeff Saturday isn't a great man or business band, but it's like the nflpa, I think, has always handled things in a dumb way. Tough position to be in and hard to represent Everybody. Them firing 150 people. It's like, what did they all do? And then also shout out to this nflpa maybe. Yeah. Trying to instead rob the players. Trying to actually make the players more money, more opportunity. I think we're in a good spot. I think there's. I think NFLPA and hopefully Commish are going to be able to come together and make this entire better for players and also for the league as a whole. Quick one there. You just talked about international games. Conor has one for you.
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Connor
Yeah. Shafty Madrid this year. Does that mean I. Ireland's probably coming in 2026 next season or is there a chance that they also do Ireland for the first time and Spain for the first time this year?
- [53:22]
Adam Schefter
I don't know when Ireland's coming, but it's coming. I don't know whether it's 25 or 26, but it's coming. There's just been enough. I think it might be next season. And they still have some more international announcements to make. They do it in layers and a progression. And so Ireland still may be coming. The Dolphins will play the first ever regular season game in Madrid. We got Berlin. The Colts playing the first regular season game in Berlin. The first regular season game in Ireland is coming. I don't know the exact timing, but it's coming. And we've even heard that it'll be the Steelers and Packers, which I totally believe that's totally plausible. It's coming. I'm not sure the exact year.
- [54:01]
Pat McAfee
I'm not saying that Madrid doesn't deserve it. Okay. Because I'm sure that they are massive NFL fans. When we were at the zone, that was a big hotbed for the NFL licensing rights over there in Spain. Ireland would be bananas over there. Yeah. Oh yeah. They love ball. And there's more Irish guys coming into the NFL. I think through punting and kicking. It's only going to continue to grow over there. We're excited for that. We're excited for the future and we're appreciative of you stopping by on this. Feel good Friday. Shefty gentlemen.
- [54:28]
Adam Schefter
Appreciate you all have a great weekend. Enjoy the divisional playoff round. Four great games. Looking forward to watching the games in the cold to be fun.
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Pat McAfee
Anybody? Any news potentially breaking today? Anything?
- [54:40]
Adam Schefter
Zay Flowers didn't practice today. That's not a great sign for his availability on Sunday night against the Buffalo Bills.
- [54:46]
Pat McAfee
Okay.
- [54:48]
Adam Schefter
And Jeremy Fowler just reported Joe Tunney starting at left tackle for the Chiefs. So they're sticking with him at left tackle. That's interesting. Right where we are right now.
- [54:59]
Pat McAfee
Any news coming?
- [55:01]
Adam Schefter
There's always news coming, Pat.
- [55:03]
Pat McAfee
Any good news coming though? Yeah, like talkable news. Worthy. A couple hours left here.
- [55:08]
Adam Schefter
I. I can't predict the future. I'm not notradamus. I don't know.
- [55:11]
Connor
Call O's.
- [55:13]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, why don't you call this? Why don't you do that whole thing? He freaks me out still. They know he's had a Forbes article done about him.
- [55:18]
Connor
It was cool.
- [55:19]
Pat McAfee
I was just getting pushed.
- [55:20]
Ty Schmidt
Yep.
- [55:21]
Pat McAfee
As he should. That guy always shows up.
- [55:23]
Ty Schmidt
He does.
- [55:24]
Pat McAfee
Always blows minds.
- [55:26]
Adam Schefter
You see his rates.
- [55:27]
Pat McAfee
10 million. I heard he made off Forbes is what it told me. Aller. He tried to tell me what his rate was whenever we tried to get him at the draft. Draft. And that was a full on. Okay, we're not doing that. That is not how this is going to go. You know. We got to work this thing out. He did good business with me, which I appreciate. His people did good business with me. But like if you're looking for somebody to blow the mind of anything, I mean that's an easy. Whatever he's charging. If you. If you got it. 100% worth it. Yep. For this demon to come into town and just ruin everything.
- [55:55]
Adam Schefter
I will say this. Of all the times I've been with him, of all the times I've traveled around with him, he's never not blown my mind. Did I tell you. Did I tell you what happened with my father in law when we came back last year? Did I tell you that story on here? I don't know if I did or.
- [56:07]
Pat McAfee
You got 30 seconds if you want to retell it though.
- [56:09]
Adam Schefter
So basically you're coming back. He comes, we come back from Pittsburgh together. He just performed for the bills. Comes to my house. My father in law, 85 years old. What do you do? I'm mental. Is okay. He goes, ah, do a trick on me. He goes, okay, where'd you grow up, the Bronx? I'm gonna tell you the name of your neighbor. He goes, how do you know the name of my neighbor? He goes, does it have a B in it?
- [56:29]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [56:29]
Adam Schefter
And he guesses the name of his neighbor and the apartment number of my father in law.
- [56:34]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [56:34]
Adam Schefter
My father in law was like, totally fine. I can't. How could that be?
- [56:37]
Pat McAfee
I don't know. He's a free. He's done some stuff to us too, where it's like he walked up to me 1 through 100, thinking in your head right now. And then bang, bang, bang, boom. Got it. Nailed it. Goes up to Darius J. Butler, scrolls through his phone through Darius Butler, picks a name in there. There's some things where it's like, I think I got him. And then there's other stuff where it's like, he's. This guy's a demon. We appreciate you. Ladies and gentlemen, Adam Shefford. We back an hour too. AJ Hawk and more convo. It's playoff time and it's now or never. Don't miss out on the last few weeks of football action with Prize picks the best place to win cash while watching the playoffs. With over 10 million members and billions of dollars in awarded win innings, Prizepix has made daily fantasy sports accessible to all. The app is really simple to use. Pick two or more players across any sport, pick more or less on their projection and you can win up to a thousand times your money. Prizepix now offers MasterCard for quick and easy deposits into your account this sports season. Join prizepix, America's 1 daily fantasy sports app available to play in more than 40 states, including California and Texas. Prizepix the best place to win cash while watching the playoffs. Download the prizepix app today and use code TPMS and get $50 instantly when you play $5. That's code TPMS on prizepix. To get $50 instantly when you play 5 dollars, you don't even need to win to receive the $50 bonus. It's guaranteed Prizepix run. Your game must be present in certain states. Visit prizepix.com for restrictions and details. This episode is brought to you by Shopify. Upgrade your Business with Shopify, home of the number one checkout on the planet. Shop pay boosts conversions up to 50%, meaning fewer carts going abandoned and more sales going Cha ching. So if you're into growing your business, get a commerce platform that's ready to sell wherever your customers are. Visit shopify.com to upgrade your selling today. Football. It's wonderful. We're lucky to talk about it. The divisional round of the NFL kicks off tomorrow and then the national championship for college ball is on Monday. We're incredibly pumped and lucky to be a part in chit chat about all of it. The talks at tables here at Boston, Conor wearing a 7x and at TY Schmidt. You look great, Con man. Watch you get up during a break and take a walk. It is like you have a dress on. I think that's the first time that I've seen the just kind of. What are those things? Poncho.
- [58:55]
Connor
Yeah, sure.
- [58:55]
Pat McAfee
It looks like you're kind of wearing a poncho with how big that jersey. Yeah.
- [58:58]
Connor
We're talking about before the show. I mean I'm going to be sure cocking this thing on game day for the rest of my life. Without a doubt. I'm very excited about this thing. It's a prize possession of mine. I. I would compare it to the pasta jersey and yeah, there's a chance I bring a couple booms in this thing going forward.
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Pat McAfee
They put out their best one yet.
- [59:14]
Connor
They did.
- [59:14]
Pat McAfee
I'm a little bit worried. Don't.
- [59:17]
Connor
Don't.
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Ty Schmidt
You can say don't.
- [59:18]
Connor
No, you say it cuz you're wrong.
- [59:20]
Pat McAfee
I'm not going to say what you think I'm going to say. Okay.
- [59:22]
Connor
Thank God.
- [59:23]
Pat McAfee
What I'm going to say is, you know it was Little Costco's birthday the other day.
- [59:27]
Ty Schmidt
No.
- [59:27]
Pat McAfee
What?
- [59:27]
Ty Schmidt
Really? I missed it.
- [59:28]
Pat McAfee
I scrolled through. Well, they had like a hundred people including like Mr. Beast and a bunch of other people videoing Happy birthday Little Costco. The whole thing. We were not asked. I feel like they think we're potentially not as in we're judging them properly.
- [59:45]
Tone
Thought they were.
- [59:45]
Pat McAfee
When you bury Texas Roadhouse, obviously we're gonna have some opinions. Have to. But whenever we're bringing a boat to you. Yeah, that's just what we do. Yeah. The new one. I mean this might be their best one yet. Gotta make it through about 35 to 40 seconds to really get into the. Okay. I see what they're doing there. But I respect any professional wrestler that's got a gimmick. Got a family bought in and then the entire world behind them. I think I saw like 2 and a half, 3 million views on their most recent heavy metal. No big. They cross. We're talking pop, rap now. Metal.
- [60:17]
Connor
Do it all. Bringing the boom to you.
- [60:22]
Pat McAfee
To you. That's just what we. We do. We're bringing the boom. There it is. Look at it. I mean, it was. It's the best way. And I don't know the amh, that band. Yeah. I didn't know the band much good.
- [60:38]
Connor
They got talent. Yeah, they are very legit. They cover songs as well. They are awesome.
- [60:42]
Pat McAfee
So you would think at the beginning of that, I was a little bummed out about the band. I'm like, ah, this is some band trying to jock. Trying to get a little rub.
- [60:50]
AJ Hawk
Sure.
- [60:50]
Pat McAfee
From the Boom Boys.
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Ty Schmidt
Sure.
- [60:52]
Pat McAfee
From the Boom Costco Boys. And then you get about a minute in, you're like, oh, band really good. And the singer has a great. Like the. He's like a Jack Black. He almost exactly a Jack Black. It's like AMH got a fan out of me. From Boom.
- [61:10]
Connor
Funny enough, they actually do cover a Pick of Destiny song. Pod Jack Black. And it's. It, like you said. I think Jack Black's actually in the song with him. It was a little collab. Like he came and did it with them as well.
- [61:20]
Pat McAfee
It makes sense.
- [61:21]
Connor
They are very good.
- [61:22]
Pat McAfee
As I was listening to it, I'm like, damn, real talent. I have no idea these people existed. But that's just what they do. We're bringing the boom to you. That's a banger.
- [61:33]
Connor
It is. And Rizzler kills his verse.
- [61:36]
Pat McAfee
One half of the Hammer died. Cowboys AP Tone is here. Tone, what are the lines on the weekend? Pretty big. Eight, nine, six and a half and one. Have any of those moved or are they all about big?
- [61:47]
Tone
They have all. They've all pretty much stayed the same from yesterday. The Eagles line has moved a bit up to six and a half. That one was five and a half earlier in the week. That's the only one that's really moved a ton.
- [61:56]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [61:57]
Tone
The big lines on Saturday, a little bit smaller on Sunday. But for a divisional weekend. Yeah, those are. Those are quite large.
- [62:03]
Pat McAfee
Eight and a half. Nine and a half. Especially if you think about the weather in Kansas City, you think that game might be tight. But then also you could see Patrick Mahomes doing this one in this weekend. There's some stats coming out about Patrick Mahomes and divisional.
- [62:14]
Connor
Boy, this dude.
- [62:17]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [62:18]
Pat McAfee
Gets a break, gets a chance to recalibrate. This is his divisional round operation resume six, zero and then 13 touchdowns, zero interceptions. It's like Patrick Mahomes is obviously a superstar and you know they say big time players make big time plays in big time games. Patrick Mahomes has done that. The division around has been a cakewalk walk for this guy. He's been able to figure teams out. Now last year they didn't have home field advantage so they had to go on the road. They had to play in the divisional round. A lot of the times are in the wild card run. A lot of times they don't have to. So they have two weeks. Andy Reid's record with two weeks preparation and a week coming off of bye week also very, very good which is why they're so damn dangerous in the playoffs. And also, you know this is the worst team that they've had. I think it's the worst season, the seed, best record in the entire NFL. Big winning games. However they do it, the Chiefs is still the Chiefs. Eight and a half, nine and a half, six and a half. Those are big numbers across the board. Sportsbooks don't think this is going to be very close. Joining us now is a man who's been seeing the board pretty well. He's a college football national champion, a Super bowl champion, a Ryder cup winner, a man who has a tree on the campus of the Ohio State University because he was an all American and he's all high. Ladies and gentlemen, A.J. ha. Yeah. Hawker hawker. Eight and a half, nine and a half, six and a half. Those are big spreads for divisional weekend where there's only eight teams left, brother.
- [63:41]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, this does feel feel like a bunch of points as you pop that graphic up. I'm trying to figure out exactly what my final picks will be when we do make the picks for this weekend. But yeah, like when you show Patrick Mahomes his record though in the divisional round, that's a bit daunting I think if you're an opponent. But hey, Texans are up for the task. Let's see if they can figure it out. But man, this dude is good.
- [64:00]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. And I mean that's not even the biggest spread of the weekend. You know, you got the nine and a half obviously second game of Saturday and that's Detroit Lions favorite at home against this Washington Commanders team who we all just assumed that the Commanders fans would be a okay if they lose this game. Like we're way ahead of schedule. We got brand new ownership, we got a new stadium coming, we got a rookie quarterback obviously scary. Terry's still here but whole new operation. The fact that we even won a wild card game. All right, we're happy going into the off season. We can build on this. We know what our culture is. We know what our team is. Inside that lockdown, they're not saying that. No. Inside of Washington commander's locker room, they're saying, hey, this could be our year. We have no idea if this is ever going to show up again. We have no clue if we're going to be in division run. You got to take advantage of every opportunity. All the OGs that are in that building are trying to let the young bucks know, like, Jaden Daniel's, like, hey, this is not an every year thing. This is very difficult to get to this situation. There's only eight teams left in the entire NFL. 25% of the team still playing, 75% planning their trips to Cancun. Got to take advantage of this. So the fans, I think would be okay. Hey, if the commanders lose this game and it's like, well, we had a good year. We got something started in the locker room. They're not saying that nine and a half points is a lot of points for a playoff game, no matter who they're playing or where they're playing them. But this Detroit Lions team has not played with their food. No, the Detroit Lions have pummeled people. And they've been happy about it, too. Like, the standard's the standard. This is how we play. If you don't want us scoring and dancing, don't let us score or dance, then. Like, that is how the Detroit Lions are. Even though a tough, physical team, they've been beating the shit out of teams all year long, 100%. I think they'll beat the shit out of them tomorrow if they do what Lambo said. They got to control the tempo, ground in pound football, run the ball, control the clock, and then you cannot let Jaden Daniels run wild. And us having that bye week, I think, was absolutely huge because our bye week in the regular season was like week five or week six. So those guys needed to get healthy. Although we do not have Zeitler at guard, that's going to be a killer. Okay? That is a big deal, especially with how dominant the offensive line have been and how important that offensive line is, especially middle of the pocket for Jared Goff, because, you know, his. I don't want to say old. What people used to call him Jared Goof. Oh, yeah. And whenever there was pressure up there, we didn't say that. We were just observing, reporting.
- [66:13]
Connor
That's what they were saying.
- [66:14]
Pat McAfee
That's what people were saying. If that pressure's up the middle, we start getting a little happy feet all of a sudden. Now the offense isn't a fine tuned machine like it has been all year. Couldn't agree more. And we have a rookie filling in that space. They love this rookie, Christian Mahogany out of Boston College. He actually scored a touchdown in college. It did a keg stand celebration. I'll tell you what, man. Offensive lineman doing a keg stand. How many of that is. Quentin Nelson did that, right? Penne Soul probably did that. Give me that guy. We don't know if he could.
- [66:44]
Connor
He can, he can, man.
- [66:46]
Pat McAfee
We know he can. Have you ever done a kickstand, by the way? Not. Not easy because you got to have pretty good shoulders, hold yourself up. Also you're pretty capacitated so you know you're going to be a little bit off. You got to have good teammates too though, you know, holding and got your legs. That's a catch stand. Actually pretty important to the, to showcase the team around you. And how much do they like this big guy? Well, he's gigantic. And the boys said, let me go ahead and get it. Let me go ahead and get you. That was a quick little four or five seconder. Obviously not going to turn any heads at a party, but certainly going to let people know you're down for a good time and I respect and appreciate that. Age, I assume when you went up for keg stands back in the day, the boys got a little bit riled up.
- [67:25]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, you know, you always need to, you need to have good teammates when it comes to that. You can't have some 125 pound dude on each leg saying, don't worry bud, I got you. Because you know you're going to be. You want to get up there a while, you want to put on a decent performance. I guess if you're going to do it.
- [67:38]
Pat McAfee
You know, I think I was pretty naive to the whole thing. I just assumed that if you guys, if you're hosting a keg party, you wanted people to do keg stands. Yeah. Do you remember when people used to like stand in front of their kegs and be like, no, we're not doing keg stands here. You know, just house only is, I'll do keg stands. It's like, all right, why don't you get out of the way, let me put on show for the people. Come on, come on. I'm going to stand upside down for like 30 seconds here. It's Going to be good for everybody. You won't put your mouth all over our. What's that thing called?
- [68:05]
AJ Hawk
The pump?
- [68:06]
Pat McAfee
Tap. Tap. Yeah, there it is. You remember when mitt.
- [68:12]
Ty Schmidt
Green beer.
- [68:13]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I know how to do it. Oh, my God. Yeah, I got it.
- [68:18]
Ty Schmidt
I do this all the time with.
- [68:20]
Pat McAfee
My buddies, and we're like, we believe it. We believe it. Exactly. What it turns out was it wasn't mid. It was the buddies that were doing it. And. And not everybody's a good tapper either. Like, there is.
- [68:29]
Connor
There's a skill.
- [68:30]
Pat McAfee
There's a skill.
- [68:30]
Connor
Yeah.
- [68:31]
Pat McAfee
There's a confidence. You got to go. Because if you half ass at all, that thing's.
- [68:34]
Connor
Yeah.
- [68:34]
Tone
You got to go full speed.
- [68:35]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. You got to go all in on that thing. So you got a keg standard guard. I think they're going to be okay. Yeah. AQ said he's good. He just know Kevin Zeitler. That was his breakdown. Oh, yeah. But AQ said Philadelphia Eagles are number one offensive line in the playoffs left. And then he said, but they're the sixth team out of eight teams left. It's like, well, how much does the offensive line matter, though, aq? It's kind of going against everything we've been pitching. I got mad about it.
- [68:59]
Connor
Your entire thing here, Buddy, has been the offensive line wins, but he just.
- [69:03]
Tone
Clearly hates the quarterback.
- [69:04]
Pat McAfee
Yep. And Kellen Moore, who might be the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. I don't know if you heard Adam Schefter talk about Paul McCartney's brother Mike could potentially have a gig somewhere else after leaving the Dallas Cowboys. But that Cowboys job. We'll be talking to Pac man here in about 19 minutes or so. He is very close with Coach prime, so I'm excited to hear what he thinks. I'm not saying he's talked to him yet, but I am excited to hear how he thinks it's all going to play out down there. Kellen Moore potentially going down there. Salah getting interviewed. Leslie Frazier. I heard the name Anthony Lynn, which I don't think anybody would have expected to get a head coaching job this soon, but he has obviously had one time at. It wasn't great. Got a chance to continue to coach. Great running back back in the day. Everybody loves him, the whole thing. Maybe he gets another opportunity. How do you say this Dallas Cowboy situation kind of shaping up for Jerry Jones? Old lamb, man.
- [69:50]
AJ Hawk
I think it's. It's the most interesting gig to take out of all of them because I want to know if these guys going in like Are they asking Jerry and the whole crew, whoever's doing the interviews, are they asking questions like, okay, it hasn't. Maybe it hasn't worked, you know, as of, you know, the last 15, 20 years, like, you guys haven't gotten over the hump and got another Super Bowl. Like, how. I guess you got to ask what the structure is, like, how much power you're going to have and how much. Like, what does Jerry want? Does Jerry want an old grizzled vet in there that maybe he can't persuade as much, or does he want a younger person that he can kind of control and. And let him know, like, hey, I'm still the boss. I still make the final decision on things. Like, I. I bet that's got to be big questions with these coaches.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah. So, like Kellen Moore potentially not asking those questions. You know, he's one of the reasons why maybe that would be the desired hire for the Dallas Cowboys. You know, anytime you go into a family business, you got to do your research, start asking questions. Hey, who's gonna have say in this particular? Who. Who is gonna have say in this particular? What has this person done other than be in your family? You know, in that whole. You gotta have those questions to get those answers. If you're gonna be an outsider going into a family business. Because if you're somebody that wants to see something go a certain way in the family, whether it's one member, even if it's not the most important member, they're gonna have more together than you could ever catch up to having. Like, that's just a matter of fact. You're never going to be able to become a full time member of the Jones family. Jason Garrett was close, very close, which is why it took so long for him to get fired. Allegedly was a report outside. But if you listen to Jerry in his one and done monologue that he did in Landman and Lombardi, pointed this out. Lombardi's like, you listen to that. And the reason why he was able to cry is because he was talking literally from his personal experience, it's like, that's a family run business. That is how that is. And if you're coming in there, you're coming into their world, you're coming into their house to kind of operate. So Kellen Moore, first opportunity, super young. He's already been down there. He's liked by the Jones family, he's liked by deck. He also might not be like, I don't want to do it the same old Jones way. I don't Think he's going to say that? Prime now, Prime's already run a successful operation, a program already built, some things. He is friends with the Jones family. We all assume he's very familiar with the Dallas Cowboys operation. Like, will he come in and be like, hey, Mr. Jones, we can't be doing this the same way that we've been doing this. And yet, like, is that something that they're okay with? Jason Whitten, Same exact thing. Bob Sala just left the family business. Okay. And the New York jets just got fired from a family business in New York jets. And he potentially. I mean, we learned about the Brick Johnson stuff after Salah was gone, but what all happened with Coach Salah in that entire situation? Does he want to sign up? I'm not saying Jerry Jones Jr. Triple J or Steven Jones or Brick Johnson at this point. And I'm not saying Brick Johnson can't go on to be a great owner at some point. He's 17 years old. He doesn't know shit about anything at this stage of life, even though he's been around football, you know, since his dad has owned a team. But it's like Salah understands what it's like to go into a family business. Is that going to carry into his decision making? And I don't know. It's tough. It's tough to just say, any job's a great job job. Which is kind of what Schefter has alluded to a couple times. Yes. There's only 32 of these. We've already seen Ben Johnson say, yep, I'm not going to go anywhere. And there's a chance Ben Johnson still decides to come back to Detroit knowing that there's going to be a head coaching opportunity for him inevitably, whenever he wants it. Yeah. I've had a theory that he watches mcdc lead these men every single day. And he says, I can't do that. I'm a great oc. I'm going to bury him. Ben Johnson. Well, I want him to stay in Detroit forever, score a million touchdowns. See, when Lions fan. You want him to hear Lions fans burying him, thinking that he ain't got it. Jeez, that's just like Devonte couldn't do without Aaron. Is that what you're trying to. Geez, I just want to score points. And I love Ben Johnson. He can do that. Yeah. And there's. And Aaron Glenn, he said he's going to get a job, too. It's like, what if Aaron Glenn. Same exact thing. He's like defensive head coaches Got to go to the right spot. You don't go to the right spot, you're kind of kicked out to the curb. Maybe Aaron Glenn and Ben Johnson both say, hey, I'd rather stick around here, continue to build what we're building. And Sheila Fordham maybe kicks him in a little bit more money to kind of build that thing up. Cliff Kingsbury over there in Washington, been a head coach before, obviously doing this with the offense. Does he want to jump back into the saddle of being a head coach and deal with bullshit, or does he potentially want to continue to kind of build what they're doing in Washington for the first time, long time. And maybe he has Josh Harris, Magic Johnson, all the ownership over there saying, hey, you give me an extra million bucks. Bucks. This is an easy decision for me to make and also an easy decision for me to explain to friends and family that might not be thrilled that I'm turning down these jobs. I think in 2025, there's a lot more of that potential opportunity than it had been in the past, but who knows? We shall see how it all plays out.
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Ty Schmidt
Well, I think you made the important distinction to Shefty, too, when he was saying, like, hey, the Cowboys job is still very, very alluring because it's one of 32. But you basically said, like, I don't know if anyone who has either been a part of the Star or have a previous relationship with Jerry Jones is going to take that job. And then he mentioned, like, four guys, but four of those guys, with the exception of Salah, had either worked with Jerry in the past or, like, kind of knew what they were getting into. Like you said it, I don't. I don't think there's any way that Salah is going to go down there and get into the same situation. Dion seems like maybe the only guy who would be able to push back on Jerry a little bit and kind of, you know, know, make it his own a little bit. But then you also look at all these other guys, like, 50% of their salary cap is going to be tied up in three players. So it's like, if you're a new coach coming in, how alluring is that? Where it's like, I really am not even going to be able to. And again, who knows how much roster control any of these guys are going to have? But you're not really going to be able to get your fingerprints on that roster that much because they're paying three guys so much money and. And they're going to be there for probably the you know, full extent of when you're the head coach.
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Pat McAfee
Okay, so let's talk about teams that are left as opposed to teams that are trying to figure out what next season looks like. Houston Texans obviously have to travel to play the back to back super bowl champs. Looking to do something that no team in a modern era has done. Win three straight Super Bowls. It's obviously going to be cold as hell. Here's D'Amico Ryan's chit chatting about the weather.
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AJ Hawk
The weather can be a challenge if.
- [75:51]
Connor
You allow it to be a challenge for me and for our guys.
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Pat McAfee
It's something we can't control. We don't control the weather. Wherever we have to play, we're ready to go play. We understand we'll be on the road. It's going to be cold. Oh my God. That's what we have to deal with. And it's not a challenge for us, just something the other team has to deal with as well. So we're ready to go. There's no excuses about weather. We gotta go suit up and we gotta go play ball. I love that message. Obviously. Who controls the weather? Great question by you in the middle of it, AJ the reason why I said I can't take it is I'm done with people breathing into their fucking phones whenever they're doing this entire thing. I understand we gotta get these videos up quickly and doing it with your cell phone is the easiest way to do as such. Let's just have a little bit of cognizance of the fact that is her while you're recording in the entire. I'm not saying Aaron did that. It could have been somebody sitting next to him.
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Connor
Sure.
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Pat McAfee
But let's just keep our awareness levels up whenever we're doing it. It's just like when Mickey was. You know, it gets a little frustrating. This is starting to happen in the modern era media a lot more because it's much quicker just to do it on the phone. But these phones microphones are good. Yeah, these phones microphones are good. So if you got a little congestion or a little wheezy or whistling from the nose, knows we can hear it. And some of us. What's it called? What's the thing called? The phobia. Misophonia. There it is. Four different. I have misophonia and I never knew it was an actual thing. I just remember hating that my dad couldn't chew with his mouth closed my entire life. More so more than anybody else. For some reason I couldn't take it. I just could I just, I. I can't. I. I can't do this. I can't. And it's called misophony. I guess we're not the only. The breathing whistling into things. Also another one of those little things. So I appreciate Aaron Wilson. I don't think it was him. I assume it was somebody next to him. But let's just be aware of these things. Or get directional mics. Yeah.
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Connor
Or just extend that thing a little.
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Pat McAfee
Or just use your nose as funnel, opposite direction. Or hold your breath.
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Connor
There you go.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah. Just don't breathe.
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Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [78:03]
Pat McAfee
Pass out if you have to. Yeah.
- [78:05]
Connor
Practice that.
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Pat McAfee
We need the clip. But in that clip, DeMeco Ryan's. What he said is what you would hope every single coach would say. Right. This is not on us. It's a mindset. It's a mentality. It is a mentality and a mindset. Till it's not, though. H. And that is. I think they're cut from a different jib than let's say the Miami Dolphins.
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Connor
Okay.
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Pat McAfee
Okay. I assume that the Houston Texans are a little bit different in the way they are constructed and the humans. But if you don't get going early, if it's a bad start early and the Chiefs are rolling, I do think the Colt is a nice tag team partner and making people quit and tap out a little bit earlier than maybe they would in the past. So I think starting hot, no pun intended here. Starting hot is a big deal for a team whenever they're traveling into the cold ass weather. AJ yeah.
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AJ Hawk
And I look at the bottom there of that. Texans, Chiefs, game, 11 to 13 mile an hour winds. Now that's not 10 terrible, but that's, that's something. That's absolutely something. When it, if it gets and starts gusting a little bit through that place. If you get down early, then you got to make plays, especially if you got to make big chunk plays and explosive gains over the top. Say you're down two scores in the second half or something. That's when I think this cold definitely matters. And you watch it. Like, I've talked to guys I was lucky enough to play in Lambeau Field for nine years. I talked to guys in the opposing teams after the game sometimes like, man, once we were. Once we were out of like third quarter, we got down two or three scores with, man, we might as well pack up the bus and get out of here. They want to go. If you want to leave when you're. When it's that cold, people don't really understand it. But it's true. And for whatever reason, if you get ahead in those games, you see the other team, you can smell that these guys might quit here and shortly if we just go and get another score, get another big stop. And I think it's huge. But if you sit there and you talk about it all the time, like, you can't sit there and talk about the weather all week long, like, have a plan on what you're going to wear, what cleats you're going to wear, how you're going to try to stay warm when you're not on the field and then just go play.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah. And you talk about the 11, 13 mile an hour in the cold weather and stuff like that. Having to make chunk plays. Special teams, it affects it too. Special teams, it'll certainly affect it. I assume in those cold games we'll see a lot more returns because the ball will be landing in the landing zone as opposed to being able to blast it out of the end zone, which could obviously be a big part of some of these games. Punting not easy. Whenever it's breezy, let alone cold. You know, cold is obviously difficult because cold weather, you know, makes the outside shell of the ball harder. Right. Because it's naturally cold. It's the one eating it. But the. The air bladder inside of a ball, which is what you're pumping up, is still, you know, the way it is. So to kick a ball in the cold, you have to crack through this a little bit more. It's inevitably going to slow down the leg speed. It's going to slow down the explosion off of your foot whenever you wrap it. So cold certainly can knock down the distance of kicks, but it also, with the breeze, it can change everything in the punt game. Now, Matariza, punter for the Chiefs, his ball does not travel much from hand to foot. I mean, it is about a foot, I would say. He drops it, he murders the ball.
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AJ Hawk
He booms that thing every time.
- [81:03]
Pat McAfee
I don't know how he does it with his. He drops it pretty low and then he just. It's like a. It's just like a quick. And it's quick gone. He's almost like he's from San Diego. I understand that California warm climate and everything like that, but, like, I feel like he was actually built to be a cold weather, windy punter because he hits a tight ball, too. So if you had a tight ball, that thing's obviously gonna go. But this punting thing with the wind and the cold, not only is the ball against you, but the Wind being against you, there's a chance we get some shanks. I don't love that at all.
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Tone
You think?
- [81:35]
Pat McAfee
I don't love that one bit.
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Tone
You think Tommy Townsend be okay too? That might actually be a good punting gamer.
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Pat McAfee
Should be a good battle. Tommy hit one off the inside of his foot last week, I think, which is very rare for Tommy. Very, very rare for him. He hits moonshots, that guy. So is Ariza. And then you go over to Philadelphia, you know, they got some opportunities in that snow to special teams wise, you can take advantage of that snow, you know, with the way the kicks are going to go. Maybe lower, you know, maybe slick. So scared to commit to a kickoff a little bit more or a punt a little bit more or feel go a little bit more. Obviously Jake Elliott's used to it and everything like that, but there is a chance this weather affects the third phase, which is special teams as well. All throughout the weekend. Yeah.
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Connor
Sean McVeigh stats also coming out about the Eagles game where if he is on a short week in their FA or their underdogs of five or more points, he's like undefeated. So as far as. As far as irrelevant stats go, that. That's kind, kind of the one in this game when it comes to Rams Eagles 11.
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Pat McAfee
Zero overall. Now. Do we fact check the Rams bros here from SB Breakers? That's SB Nation, I assume.
- [82:36]
Connor
Oh, I. I'm.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah, probably. So we assume that's real. SB breakers is very good.
- [82:41]
Connor
Okay, you guys know I'm not a big fact checker. Okay.
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Pat McAfee
You just brought the fact up though, so.
- [82:45]
Connor
Yeah, well, hash stat that.
- [82:47]
Pat McAfee
Hash stat that. Of course. But I think like, this is. Can you can me at this, please? Can you me at this, please? Us too, bro.
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AJ Hawk
Who is it?
- [83:01]
Pat McAfee
SB Breakers.
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AJ Hawk
That was quick.
- [83:08]
Pat McAfee
This guy.
- [83:09]
Connor
Is that who I think it was?
- [83:10]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, same guy that called me twice yesterday in the middle and then called me afterwards.
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Tone
SP breakers.
- [83:15]
Pat McAfee
It's not SP Breakers. If I was to say who that was like, people be like, let's not name drop like the. You want to go most powerful, wealthiest person that you could ever. Donald Trump.
- [83:24]
Connor
Holy no, it's Joe Biden.
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Pat McAfee
No, no, this is not. This is not a president or okay, future president Elon. This is not Elon. Although.
- [83:37]
Connor
Hold on, let's keep guessing.
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Pat McAfee
Let's get back to this. Let's get back to. Those two are besties now. I think from what I learned. Good for all the Zuck feels like all. All the. All the. They're all. There's a Lot of people saying that's a bad thing. It's like, okay, yeah, let's get the people that are, you know, figured everything out and want to do shit. No, they're doing it just for self gain. It's like, maybe for what? Okay, maybe, maybe they will be doing that. Or maybe they have brains, big ones, and maybe they all want to be like, like, let's figure out how to make everything better. From all parties too. These are from all different parties seemingly wanting to do stuff. I don't want to get into that world because I don't know it enough. But I do appreciate whenever people are like, so let me get this straight. All the successful, smart people are coming together to do stuff? That's bad news. Give me the people that have done nothing but politics. Okay, all right. I don't understand the brains over there, but let's get back to sports, shall we? The weekend's going to be awesome. Then Monday night age national championship Notre Dame versus Ohio State. The Buckeyes take on the Fighting Irish. Two old school traditional powerhouses battle in Atlanta and Mercedes Benz Stadium. Whenever you think about this game just a few days out as an Ohio State, I think we got a video thing. As an Ohio State, Buckeye legend and Ohio State hero and former president of Ohio, how do you feel going in? We were talking about this earlier. We've kind of swayed a little bit. It's an eight point spread obviously, so that's a big one. There are eight and a half. I guess it has gone up too. That seems like the sportsbook think that Ohio State is too powerful, too strong, too quick, too talented, too much of everything. But I feel like me personally and everybody else thought that every team that Notre Dame is playing played is going to be too powerful, too quick, too athletic to everything. And they've just shown up the shit coming out from behind the scenes of the Notre Dame team. Awesome. Yeah. Everything you want in a team is seemingly in that Notre Dame locker room and culture that Marcus Freeman is leading. And then I read the Jack Sawyer Players Tribune. I hope you got a chance to read that as well. Everything coming out of that building is everything that you would want in a team, in a culture, in a locker room. How do you see it faring out now that we're on Friday? And what is Ohio State's thoughts, the fans, as we look ahead to the national championship?
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AJ Hawk
Man, I think the fans, I think they, there's, they're realizing like, hey, we're finally here. Like it was a long trek to get to this point, but this is where they're at. And like, like the thing Jack wrote was that was really cool to see him, right. That the week of the biggest game of his life. Pretty much. I think people are pretty optimistic and feel really good about Ohio State, but I think they also respect the hell out of Notre Dame and Marcus Freeman and, and what he's done. Obviously, Marcus played linebacker at Ohio State. He's had a ton of respect as a coach forever. And what he's done with Notre Dame in a short time is, is unbelievable. So I think that alone have, has people very. I, I would say not like they're not letting their ego run wild. You know, sometimes the team comes in, if they're a favorite, their fan base gets just crazy and they think they have no chance of ever losing and all this. And maybe it's because Ohio State has dropped a few games this year, including the biggest one against Michigan. Maybe that's why they won't let themselves get carried away. But I think very optimistic, very excited actually, for Monday night.
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Pat McAfee
I think both these teams are obviously very deserving. Both these teams in the culture and the cut of their jibs is exactly what I would want a team that I'm a fan of to have, especially with how we're watching them all kind of come to life in the biggest moments, showing up in the biggest ways for the biggest plays on the biggest stages. All these guys. So, so it's. They got it right. I think College Football Playoff got it right here with these two teams. And I'm excited to watch the fight. We'll be on the call on the sideline, obviously on ESPN too. Speaking of on the call, Tom Brady's going to be on the call for FOX for the next nine years.
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Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [87:24]
AJ Hawk
How about it?
- [87:25]
Pat McAfee
Oh, yeah, Obviously there's been a lot of conversation about a conflict of interest between Tom Brady, the owner who is now hands on owner, not just investment, owner. Owner trying to reap the benefit of owner not in the building owner, just somebody that has their money be a part of a team he's hands on now with the selection of the head coach and I assume the general manager strategy going forward, how the team's going to be built. Why else would you bring in Tom Brady at a lower rate, which was the issue with all the other NFL owners then for him to have say and make the Raiders great. Hopefully once again, Max Crosby was on Good Morning Football. He said, in years past, I've stressed out potentially about who's going to be the head coach. This year it'll all work out how it's supposed to. He looks so cool on Good Morning Football. Hair was perfect, beard outstanding. But I think there's a chance that a lot of Raiders people feel that way because Tom Brady is a part of it, because Tom Brady's doing the leadership. So then whenever he's calling games or whenever he's saying anything, this weekend, for instance, Ben Johnson is potentially a head coaching candidate for the Raiders. He's on the call for that. A lot of people thought they it would be too much and inevitably Tom would have to step away or somebody would say, hey, not smart for you to be one of the voices of our game while also being an owner in the game. His agent has come out and said, Nah, yeah, 375 million, brother. Yeah, we're going to take that. Yeah, we are going to be doing that. He's going to fulfill his obligations and his contract that he signed to Fox. He obviously respects Fox and appreciates him. He's doing the best job that he possibly can. AJ how do you feel about that? And do think it inevitably gets too loud, especially if he continues to be an owner in the league for the Raiders.
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AJ Hawk
I have no issue with Tom being an owner and being in the booth. I don't understand why people think he cannot do both. Like, they think his workload is too much like Tom Brady who played in the NFL forever and is won so many Super Bowls that the guy can't handle it. Like, no. The season's what, five or six months long when he's in the booth. I don't really understand. I don't get caught up, I guess, in all of the drama saying, like, oh, is he going to get inside information from these. Whatever from when he's broadcasting and talking to people. Okay, good luck. Like, he's going to be fine. I don't think. I think it's way overblown when they think the, like, the advantage that Tom could possibly gain from being in the booth and talking to these guys.
- [89:37]
Pat McAfee
He.
- [89:37]
AJ Hawk
He could talk to him anyway, no matter. I, I just, I don't get it.
- [89:40]
Pat McAfee
Well, what about tampering? He's on his sideline before the games, walking around, warm up, saying, hey, he could do that.
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AJ Hawk
I mean, he could do, if he's not a broadcaster, go to all the games. But does that not tampering? He can still have relationships with all these same people.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah, but he's not getting a chance to see 53 and a third every single game. Walk around the pregame. Hey, you Happy here? Okay. Are you happy here? I'm not saying Tom would ever do that, but I'm saying all these things are the fears that people have of an owner, like an actual owner calling games. I. I like Tom Brady being around the game. Personally, I like Tom Brady having a voice in a game. I like Tom Brady having a podcast in a game. It's the greatest of all time. So the more we hear from him. Him, the better. And I'm appreciative of. But I think, like, the people that think it's a conflict of interest are only going to find more things to get pissed off about Tom Brady being an owner and also lead voice commentary in this entire thing.
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Connor
Yeah, people are bitching. And granted, it's probably jokes, but also probably not that he cheated while he was in the NFL. So a way that he would be able to cheat here would be that he would, you know, let's say week one, he's calling the game of Commander's Line Lions, and then week two, the Raiders are playing the Commanders. Well, Tom just learned what their entire philosophy is going to be this season through interviewing and all that stuff before the game with Cliff Kingsbury or Dan Quinn. That is what people are bringing up.
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Pat McAfee
What's that age? What's that age?
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AJ Hawk
That's overboard. Come on now. What are we talking in a production meeting?
- [91:00]
Pat McAfee
He's.
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AJ Hawk
Tom's gonna learn every secret of the organization.
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Ty Schmidt
He might.
- [91:03]
Pat McAfee
Well, and I also thought that he wasn't allowed. Yeah, yeah.
- [91:06]
Ty Schmidt
Big part. Part of it.
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Tone
What do you guys do the production meetings? Like, could he come in with bugs and just bug the entire facility?
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Pat McAfee
Which is what they did say the Patriots did to everybody else. You know, the Patriots. Actually, I think the Patriots are at the Colts facility whenever they had played the super bowl here.
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Tone
Yeah. Helicopters.
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Pat McAfee
The. No, no, no. They actually worked out in the. Oh, yeah.
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Connor
And then whenever they were in the.
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Pat McAfee
Super bowl after that, after the week that the Patriots were in the Colts facility. Hilarious. Sweep the entire building. We need to go into the ceiling. We need to go into everything and make sure that they have not left anything behind. But yes, anytime a helicopter flew over the Colts facility, there was always a. I didn't know Bill Belichick had his helicopter license.
- [91:48]
Connor
What your hell?
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Pat McAfee
We need to check that entire thing out. All right. Big story in the NFL is what's happening with the Dallas Cowboys. There's obviously a legendary football name being associated with it in Dion Primetime Sanders joining us now, close friend, family member, damn near of Deion Sanders, former Dallas Cowboy host of the Pac Man Jones show. Friend of the program, ladies and gentlemen, Pac Man.
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Pac Man Jones
How y'all doing?
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Pat McAfee
Good. We're excited. We're getting a chance to chat with you. There was a buzz in here. Getting a chance to catch up with Adam. Pac Man Jones, Con man only shit his pants this morning. Actually jacked up.
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Pac Man Jones
What's up? What's up with the guys, man?
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Pat McAfee
Hey, we're having a good time. You look so cool. Congrats on a phenomenal season of the Pac Man Jones Show. The clips are everywhere. Conversations going crazy. One of them was with Deion Sanders. And at that time, I think there was no consideration of him potentially going to the NFL. That was kind of the chat that you had with him in your very close relationship. Now, after Jerry calls him, tries to, we assume, persuade him into at least garnering a little bit of interest, he said publicly it was intriguing to Adam Schefter. Now we're hearing about the nil thing in Colorado. We're hearing about the staff salary at Colorado. Where do you think we stand on that entire storyline? And what are you hearing from prime and or Jerry down there in Dallas?
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Pac Man Jones
All right, first and foremost, the next Dallas Cowboys coach is going to be Kelly Moore. Everybody knows that with the relationship that's over there, Deion is not leaving Colorado by no means necessary unless he was able to coach both his sons, which I don't think that's possible because sources says that Ben Johnson is gonna be the Raiders coach.
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Pat McAfee
Okay.
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Pac Man Jones
Like, real good sources. Like I'm talking about. Like real good sources, as we shall say. I don't think Deion is going nowhere. I think it was good entertainment, but I don't think Deion is going to Jerry Wreath.
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Pat McAfee
Okay. So Pac man says, and by the way, Pac's been around.
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Connor
Yep.
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Pat McAfee
Long time in the NFL. Friends with every. Seemingly friends with everybody. I think that's pretty accurate assessment on. Yeah. The Pac Man Jones. So he says, Dion staying at Colorado, Kellen Moore going to Dallas, Ben Johnson on good authority heading over to the Raiders, and Shador probably going to be the quarterback there. AJ Has a question for you. Pack.
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AJ Hawk
What about Aaron Glenn? Pack, you got any inside information on where he might be going?
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Pac Man Jones
I don't. Aaron Glenn is.
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Pat McAfee
Is.
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Pac Man Jones
He's not in the circle that I'm in, so I had no sources on that one.
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Pat McAfee
Okay, so let's get back to Prime. Let's talk about Prime a little bit, because I know you are in that circle closely when Jerry calls him. And I know you know Jerry as well when Jerry calls him and says, like, hey, this is potentially an opportunity. And he called it intriguing. Do you think there was a time where Dion sat down and was like, I have to weigh my options here? And then do you think he inevitably wanted to go back to Colorado because what he built, or do you think he was like, I got a thing going here in Colorado that I've committed to regardless of what Jerry's saying.
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Pac Man Jones
Nah, you got. I'm quite sure he took the meeting. Everybody's gonna take the meeting. But I think the big thing about this whole thing is him being able to coach the boys at the next level. If that's not a strong possibility, I think the NFL thing was already out of there.
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Pat McAfee
Okay. Connor has a question for you.
- [95:11]
Connor
Yeah, Pac, always a pleasure. The glasses are sweet. Do you know, like, what Chadur's thoughts are with this draft upcoming? Does he have a preference on where he wants to go? Does it matter where he wants to go? And do the Giants cleats that he had in his bowl game locker room? Is that kind of him pointing towards, hey, I want to go play with Malik?
- [95:28]
Pac Man Jones
Neighbors Shador said he want to be the number one pick over. That's where you want to go, number one. So whoever end up at that number one spot, Tennessee, which you can see some teams trading around, see the Raiders going up to get one because, like, you don't need no quarterback. Conor, do y'all need a quarterback?
- [95:51]
Connor
I don't know. We're four, though.
- [95:53]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. So right now the lineup is Titans at number one, Browns number two.
- [95:57]
Pac Man Jones
Overalls don't need a quarterback. They gonna stick with what they got.
- [96:01]
Pat McAfee
Titans are in a quarterback needy time because they're moving on from Will Levis definitely. I think they're moving on from Will 100%. I think that is pretty clear. I think now, granted, they might get a vet because there's a lot of veterans that could come in there. Kirk Cousins potentially going to be available, obviously. Darnold potentially going to be available. Daniel Jones potentially going to be available. Aaron Rodgers potentially going to be available. Has raw land down there in Nashville and then everybody else. These are all the rookies combined with some of the vets, and there are vets that aren't on screen that could be also on the market. Titans, we think, are going to need a quarterback. Maybe they'll go with a vet. The Browns, they just locked in again to Deshaun Watson, but that deal was locked in as soon as it was signed. He tears his Achilles yet again. Who knows what they're going to do. I think they might be interested in a quarterback. The New York Giants, obviously the. They're going to be interested in a quarterback. The Patriots are the only ones there in the top four that don't need a quarterback. And then obviously Trevor Lawrence down there with the Jacks.
- [96:58]
Pac Man Jones
Well, yeah. Cause ain't nobody going. They ain't Trevor Lawrence name on the stadium down there. They would just pay him too much. So they stuck with him.
- [97:05]
Pat McAfee
You're talking about Trevor Bankfield. Trev Ever big bank. Yeah, that was. What's he, 55 million a year Trevor's making now. Okay, so you're saying that Shador is. He wants to be number one overall. He'll go wherever he gets drafted. Obviously.
- [97:20]
Pac Man Jones
Kids make a lot of sense, bro. Like him and Brady, they got a deal together. Brady have been training them since he was in high school. Like, he signed to Brady right now. As far as endorsement, like, it just seems like a good fit to me for a guy that's the owner of a team that's been working with the kids since he was in high school, that knows his flaws and the things that he's good at that to get him, it just don't make no other sense for me to think anything different than that.
- [97:49]
Pat McAfee
And also, he and Mark Davis dapped each other up, I believe, at a game or two. And they have a relationship and everything like that. There was actually a thought that maybe prime is going to be head coach of the Raiders. What was that? He just gave a little. He gave a little head bob.
- [98:07]
Pac Man Jones
I heard that was a conversation, but I don't think it's. I don't think that's gonna happen.
- [98:11]
Pat McAfee
Colorado is where Pac said he believes Dion is gonna remain tight. Has a question for you.
- [98:17]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, Pack? A report came out today that said Dion went to Colorado and basically asked for more money for nil and for his coaches pool because they. They've already went away from the nil. And Colorado basically balked at the idea and kind of is just standing pat four right now. Do you think with that report coming out, there's any chance Dion may re reconsider and think like, okay, maybe the NFL is a better option? Or do you think ultimately all this stuff will get handled at Colorado because his name is now, you know, getting leaked out there to go to the Cowboys?
- [98:49]
Pac Man Jones
I think all of it get handled. If you look at the turnout they done had in the last year, nobody was even thinking about Colorado before Dion got there. Now you can't even buy a ticket online for the next five years, so. And they had some big names come through there, and them boys was getting paid. They was getting paid. So I'm quite sure they can dig down deep somewhere and get the coaches a little bit more and help out with the nil deal. And I don't think it'll come an issue this year, but if it don't happen this year, it may become an issue after this. But with the young talent that he brought in, the number one quarterback in the country, like, I just don't see. It's gotta be a real miracle for Dion to leave Colorado. I truly think he really love it there, and it might be where he want to end up.
- [99:41]
Pat McAfee
Oh, okay. All right. We took a little road there. We just took a little bit road there. Now, let's say. Let's go to Cincinnati. Obviously home for you. Currently. Tone has a question for you.
- [99:50]
Tone
What up, Pack? What do you. How do you feel about what happened to y'all?
- [99:56]
Pat McAfee
What?
- [99:56]
Tone
When?
- [99:57]
Pat McAfee
Steelers.
- [99:58]
Connor
Steelers?
- [99:59]
Pat McAfee
You mean the week of the last.
- [100:00]
Pac Man Jones
Five games so far?
- [100:03]
Tone
You mean the week. The week that you guys were already in Cabo or.
- [100:08]
Pac Man Jones
Hey, it didn't take y'all but 24 more hours.
- [100:11]
Pat McAfee
Okay.
- [100:13]
Tone
I know, I know.
- [100:13]
Pat McAfee
Four more quarters. Yep.
- [100:14]
Tone
Back wasn't good at either city this year. But speaking of Jamar, you know, he had the contract dispute kind of early last year. You think Jamar will get a new deal before the season comes? And if not, you think he'll hold out?
- [100:27]
Pac Man Jones
I think Mr. Brown got a brink trip down there right now trying to figure out what. What the number is before April get here. There's no way that he don't get paid.
- [100:38]
Pat McAfee
What?
- [100:38]
Pac Man Jones
He said he want a dollar more. I think he deserve a dollar more.
- [100:41]
Tone
Yeah.
- [100:41]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [100:42]
Pac Man Jones
35.5 million or $36 million. He's proven it, though. He played weekend and week out, and Kid is electrifying to see, and he's a great receiver, so.
- [100:54]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, they both are. They're awesome to watch. Yeah. Joe Burrow, obviously, absolute stunning. Cannot wait to see how they keep that entire team together. Good for Cincinnati, good for football to watch them do their thing, and hopefully the defensive side is able to tighten up. Now, last question, obviously, for me. Rich Rodriguez back at West Virginia. Brother, I know you and I are part of the conversation, and obviously we've kept in touch with Coach Rod. How do you feel about it now that we're a couple weeks removed from the decision being made? And what are your expectations going into this particular spring?
- [101:22]
Pac Man Jones
Man, I feel really good. I actually talked To Rod today. He got a couple of the guys that was round in the circle. He got Noel back. Coach Castile is back. It's a lot of guys that know the culture of football. Not lazy. You know what I mean? Nothing lazy. We want guys that want to win and play hard, and I think we're in a good situation. He already got two big names.
- [101:50]
Pat McAfee
Oh, yeah. Transfer portal. We've been crushing right now. Yeah, yeah, we've been.
- [101:54]
Pac Man Jones
We got a couple of them already. The dn. I can't. I can't remember his name. Yeah, we got a big DN that we just paid, too Pat. He's a monster.
- [102:04]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Juco guy, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This juco guy. They didn't know what his eligibility was going to be. And there was other people. There was other people trying to push for this guy. And Rich Rod was like, we'll stick with you no matter what here. Then ruling came on, and the guy was like, I appreciate you. And he's coming through now. We're paying him, but he is a. He's a dog. Which is the only people that are going to be on this West Virginia roster. And did you hear they got tour of duty coming up next week?
- [102:31]
Pac Man Jones
Yeah, I hated that. That's the only thing I did not like.
- [102:34]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, we all did. Everybody hated it. But it was a massive part of building the culture. I think those dudes on that roster are about to learn what hard edge is. And about the next week, we're going to find out who's in and who's out. Out in the next.
- [102:47]
Pac Man Jones
It just got ripped.
- [102:48]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Yes, it did. And I'm excited for them. I'm excited for you. Keep crushing it with the Pac Man Jones show, man. We're proud of you.
- [102:55]
Pac Man Jones
Hey, man, I love y'all, man.
- [102:57]
Pat McAfee
We'll see you soon.
- [102:59]
Pac Man Jones
Them lines look pretty good, my boy.
- [103:01]
Pat McAfee
Yes, sir. Pac Man Super Bowl. This is the year. Are they winning it? Are they winning it all?
- [103:08]
Pac Man Jones
I think so.
- [103:08]
Pat McAfee
Let's go. All right, That's Adam. Pac Man Jones, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you. All right, so he said, Dion staying in Colorado. And then he said, there's gonna have to be a miracle if a situation pops up out of nowhere that he has to take, he's gonna do that. But I think from what it sounded like out of pack, it's like he's called. He's at Colorado. He's a Colorado. But then the Raiders get offered up, and it's like, the Raiders, he could coach his kid. But then he said, Ben Johnson's Going to the Raiders, which is potentially why he's excited about Shador potentially going to the Raiders because of his connection with Tom Brady. It's like Pac man is just. He's. Yeah, he is. He's tapped into a lot of people now. How much do people know at this exact moment? Because as we've seen, things can change. You know, more opportunities pop up. Another situation arises. It's like things can change, but at the current moment, it feels like Deion going back to Colorado and Pac size Pac is in.
- [104:00]
Connor
Oh, yeah.
- [104:01]
Pat McAfee
Very, very in over there. Ben going to the Raiders, even though Schefter in the first hour was like, why's everybody just got Ben Johnson going to the Raiders? I think Pax got him going there, and then Pax got Shador going over there, too. If he can figure out how to make the draft work with Tennessee. Three needy quarterback, needy teams at the very top of the draft. Man, I forgot how electrifying it is. All the speculation, all the bullshit.
- [104:26]
Connor
It's the best.
- [104:26]
Pat McAfee
This is what. This is what we're getting into right.
- [104:28]
Ty Schmidt
Now, without a doubt. But, like, the thing with Deon, too, and I think that, like, he might very well be, you know, like, I want to stay at Colorado right now, but that's why the whole thing with, like, Jerry is, like, one. One of, if not the only owner in the NFL where, like, if he wants Dion bad enough, he's gonna do whatever he has to do to get it.
- [104:48]
Pat McAfee
Like that.
- [104:48]
Ty Schmidt
I don't think there are very many owners like that, you know, where it's like, you. You meet with Dion and he's like, you know what? I'm good. I want to stay at Colorado. And they kind of say, okay, and go their separate ways. Like, if Jerry wants him bad enough, enough, he. He will put together an offer he can't refuse.
- [105:02]
Connor
And to what she was saying, like, Ben Johnson and Aaron glenn, the clear 1, 2. And with both those guys, the Cowboys weren't even in the talking point. It was New York and New Orleans for Aaron Glenn, and then it was Vegas, you know, Chicago, Jacksonville for Ben Johnson. So it's like, if there is no clear number three, then the splash kind of higher would be, you know, Deion. And think just thinking about, like, the Patriots and Vrabel, who knows, if he has to win back over the franchise or the fans, rather, with Dallas, I assume he does just because of the expectations and, you know, kind of the dud of the season. Like, hiring Dion would probably be like having the fans back on your side. Like, that would be an easy way to be. Like, hey, I'm trying. I'm going out there. I'm doing this. This guy knows the star. He gets it. And that's what happened with the Patriots and Vrabel. Like, with crowd. Everyone in New England is back on the craft side after the debacle of last offseason with the Apple TV documentary Killing Belichick. After kind of the way the off season went with paying people and guys not wanting to come new to New England, like hiring Vrabel, kind of basically clean slate with all the fans, hey, we can forget about that. It's a new era, and that could happen with prime and Dallas.
- [106:12]
Pat McAfee
Okay, so maybe Dion goes to Dallas. Pac says he's staying in Colorado. Let's talk about another Dion. Dion Dawkins, the electrifying tackle for the Buffalo Bills. He was talking about going into this massive matchup with the Baltimore Ravens. He's feeling good, I'd say.
- [106:25]
Connor
Oh, yeah.
- [106:26]
Pat McAfee
I'm sure different players react differently to it. Some probably get a little tighter, a little more nervous.
- [106:32]
Connor
Do you feel like it's more fun? Do you feel like it maybe makes you even looser?
- [106:38]
Pat McAfee
Is that possible? Do you see me right now?
- [106:43]
Adam Schefter
That's what I mean.
- [106:44]
Pat McAfee
I got goggles on in a press conference. You asking me, do I feel more loose and free? I am free. My dog. I'm free. Yes.
- [106:55]
Adam Schefter
Do you embrace how fun this is?
- [106:57]
Pat McAfee
Of course. I'm having the most fun in my life, and I am present in the time that we're in right now. I know what's going on. Like, this is history being written right.
- [107:07]
Pac Man Jones
Now, and I know the moment that we're in.
- [107:11]
Pat McAfee
And you know me, I just. I'm just taking not advantage, but I'm taking being present in the moment. Like, I'm embracing what's going on. I'm not trying to be too cool for it. I'm just Dion. I am just Deon. But yes, Yeah, I am more comfortable. Of course you have nerves because you. You know, we're in elimination rounds. This is what football is like. This ain't, you know, the best of five games or the best of four games? The best of three.
- [107:40]
Pac Man Jones
No.
- [107:40]
Pat McAfee
This is elimination chamber. So it's. It is. It's thought of, but it's not harped on. Like, you have that in your head, because that's the situation that is in front of us. But besides that, I'm. I'm free, calm, cool, and snow. I am ded up, and I'm gonna be myself. Snow Goggles is on. Schmell me. Straight off a Pac Man. Love everything about that elimination chamber. Amen. Same rules for everybody. You lose, you are out forever. Unless you're Brock Lesnar. Then you break through the glass and say, I'm done. Wait, we're doing this entire thing and everybody in there has to smell him and see how that whole thing goes. How do you feel about how Dion Dawkins. I think that's a reflection on the culture, and obviously I think that's a reflection on how great he is at his job. You don't have that type of confidence and free feeling. Feeling unless you put the work in and you're very good, which I think that entire Buffalo Bills team feels the exact same way.
- [108:31]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, I. I love everything he said there seemed very real and authentic. And so, yeah, of course there's nerves, but we don't. We don't harp on it. We don't make it a bigger deal than it is. And I think even a guy like, like Dion, speaking like that, I think it might even calm some of the coaches down. We all know when big games are about to happen, the week leading up to it, that's when some coaches, they get super tight and sometimes that they just freak out and that trickles down throughout the rest of the team. So I think I, like Dion is absolutely key to having these moments because if you actually sit there and you think about it like, hey, here we go, we win this one, we're one game away from the super bowl. Like, that's a life changing event that I could hopefully be a part of. Like, you can't really put yourself in those shoes yet. I think until, like, you truly have to take it, like, minute by minute. I think in the playoffs, right in history.
- [109:12]
Pat McAfee
He understands the moment. I'm free, my dog. He said, I'm wearing goggles in a press conference. Yeah. You think I'm loose? I don't know. Like, I appreciate deal on pointing out the obvious, like, yeah, brother, you think I got any worries up here? And also to add to the point about Dion Dawkins, and we've chatted about this before. Whenever left tackles have been trying to get off the ball as far as possible. You know, they made the. We were all reminded of, you have to break the center's ass, basically with at least a helmet. Dion Dawkins lined up offsides the other way just to showcase, like, hey, I am. It don't matter. This is me versus you. I will backpedal if I have. Yeah. To get to a Spot in Maldem. Josh Allen knows he's got a dog over there. The Buffalo Bills know they got a dog over there. And to your point about calming down the coaches, I think that's a huge deal. Joe Brady's name is now up for these head coaching jobs. It was a few years back. Then the Carolina thing happens and he goes to Buffalo. Then. Then he gets the offense coordinator job. It's like, I'm not saying Joe Brady get nervous, but lot on the line for Joe Brady, lot on the line for McDermott. And these coaches aren't all elite performers. Elite performers have the clutch gene. They understand the big lights and the big moments. It feels like the Bills coaches at this moment ready. Feels like the Bills team at this moment ready. More so than ever before. Same with Baltimore. It feels the exact same with them. And then you look at the big bad wolf Kansas City Chiefs, it's like, is this year you can get them? Is this the year you get. Are the Houston Texans going to shock the world and end this thing for the Kansas City Chiefs in a divisional round, one game into a playoff run? It's like, I'm not sure. I don't think anybody will believe it until they see it. I believe the Chiefs are still the Chiefs, but some people believe maybe they're gettable this year. And you have to feel that way if you're in the AFC and then in the nfc. Lions wagon commanders, team of destiny. Remember, we're talking the way they've won games. Yeah. Maybe the football gods are saying, hey, thank you for changing ownership, thank you for moving forward. Thank you for making your fans be happy and proud to be fans of your team. And then the Rams and Eagles, we would assume with the amount of snow that's coming through there, that'll favor the Eagles. Matthew Stafford ain't scared of a damn thing. Never has. We got a great divisional round coming up. We'll continue this program on YouTube, ESPN, Disney, and well, TikTok Live Supreme Court just won nine. Oh, to continue to ban that thing. Literally today Trump has come out and said, I'm gonna save it. And then we have no idea what's gonna work. But we're still currently on TikTok Live. Come join us as we make picks and then thrust into a great weekend. Have a good one. All right. That, that, that creeped up on me a lot faster.
- [111:53]
Connor
I thought I completely forgot it was the 30.
- [111:55]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Extra ad sale.
- [111:57]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [111:58]
Pat McAfee
For the ESPN ad team. Sold another 30 second commercial.
- [112:03]
Connor
Good one.
- [112:04]
Tone
Huge.
- [112:05]
Connor
Real good one.
- [112:06]
Pat McAfee
We only get A few minutes of these things. Let's see what it is. Yeah. What is? You can watch it right now. Let's see what it is.
- [112:11]
Connor
Eight seconds.
- [112:12]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [112:12]
Adam Schefter
What?
- [112:12]
Connor
Right.
- [112:13]
AJ Hawk
What? Run.
- [112:13]
Pat McAfee
Five, four, three, two, one. Oh, hell yeah.
- [112:23]
Connor
Southern New Hampshire beat, baby.
- [112:24]
Pat McAfee
What is it?
- [112:25]
Ty Schmidt
Oh, snooze.
- [112:26]
Tone
I went there.
- [112:27]
Connor
University.
- [112:28]
Pat McAfee
Is that the new University of Phoenix? No.
- [112:30]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah. It's one of the preeminent online college experiences.
- [112:33]
Tone
Way better than you.
- [112:34]
Connor
It's also a great school.
- [112:35]
Pat McAfee
You.
- [112:36]
Connor
If. If you're an Eagle Scout, you can go there for free.
- [112:38]
Pat McAfee
I'll tell you what, really. If you can tie knots, you can go to the snoop.
- [112:40]
Connor
Sorry to God.
- [112:41]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [112:41]
AJ Hawk
The Grand Canyon University.
- [112:42]
Tone
No, GCU is a real thing.
- [112:45]
Pat McAfee
It sounds like this is a little bit of the Southampton institution technology.
- [112:49]
Connor
No, that's just the Southern in it.
- [112:51]
Ty Schmidt
I actually have been up there near their campus though. The arena they have is actually like. There's like a 10,000 seat arena.
- [112:57]
Pat McAfee
This is an actual in person.
- [112:59]
Ty Schmidt
I think it's mostly online, but I believe you can take courses in person. The arena pulled up, I was like, holy.
- [113:06]
Pat McAfee
That's not real.
- [113:07]
Ty Schmidt
Yes.
- [113:08]
Pat McAfee
People. What do they do in there? They. People bring their laptops into their concerts.
- [113:13]
Connor
People go there.
- [113:14]
AJ Hawk
I I.
- [113:14]
Connor
Multiple people from the town. I grew up and went to Southern New Hampshire University and it is a astute college.
- [113:21]
Pat McAfee
I took classes there online. So you didn't take them there, you took them online?
- [113:27]
Tone
I. I mean through them. Yeah.
- [113:28]
Pat McAfee
Did they carry over to anything that you needed to get. It was.
- [113:30]
Tone
I was getting my masters before this happened and then I just stopped.
- [113:33]
Connor
See, that's legit.
- [113:35]
Pat McAfee
So they can give out doctorates. This South Southern Hampton.
- [113:38]
Ty Schmidt
Yep.
- [113:38]
Connor
SN Southern New Hampshire University. St. New.
- [113:42]
Pat McAfee
I think a part of that deal. We gave up 30 seconds for them. We should all got doctorates.
- [113:46]
AJ Hawk
Nice.
- [113:47]
Pat McAfee
At least PhDs.
- [113:48]
Connor
That'd be cool.
- [113:49]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Southern University.
- [113:52]
Connor
Live for your Die, baby.
- [113:53]
Pat McAfee
It has a campus.
- [113:54]
Connor
Yeah.
- [113:55]
Pat McAfee
It's a legit school, brother. This sound University of Phoenix. When you guys were talking about this, to be clear, I thought this was an online institution.
- [114:01]
AJ Hawk
It's nice.
- [114:02]
Connor
Nice. That is.
- [114:03]
Ty Schmidt
I would guess most of their students are online students, but yeah, unless you.
- [114:07]
Connor
Want to explore Arena.
- [114:09]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. I told you.
- [114:10]
Connor
Look how beautiful that landscape is.
- [114:12]
Pat McAfee
We're hiking on an online university. It's crazy, dude. Dude.
- [114:14]
Connor
It's only partially online. Most schools are like that.
- [114:17]
Pat McAfee
It's near Boston, Massachusetts. It's probably about an hour out. If it's Manchester 45 Discover innovative designs. Oh my God. They got real classes.
- [114:25]
Connor
Oh yeah, dude. This place is legit.
- [114:27]
Pat McAfee
How many robots?
- [114:30]
Connor
Like a hundred fifty.
- [114:32]
AJ Hawk
Pretty nice facilities for them.
- [114:34]
Connor
Oh, hell yeah.
- [114:35]
Pat McAfee
Is that technical institute? What is this?
- [114:38]
Tone
It's just I was going for business.
- [114:40]
AJ Hawk
CIA front. What is it?
- [114:41]
Connor
I have no idea.
- [114:42]
Pat McAfee
They bought a 30 second ad. I. I think we need to learn a little bit more about snoo. Congratulations.
- [114:48]
Connor
Awesome. It was awesome.
- [114:51]
Pat McAfee
Silent. That's just what we do. We're breaking. Bringing a boom to you. Yeah.
- [114:59]
Ty Schmidt
Can you imagine?
- [115:00]
Pat McAfee
They need. They need to link up next commercial.
- [115:03]
Connor
Do it with the. The snoo. The snoo. The snoo is on like the roof.
- [115:08]
Pat McAfee
Oh, yeah. Speaking of, great chance we haven't got AJ's take on it yet. The most recent boom. That's just what we do. We're bringing the boom to you. Have you seen the most recent one? Might be the best work yet.
- [115:25]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, I have seen it, but I. When did they do that? When did they give the five booms to the dead person and get in trouble? When did that happen?
- [115:31]
Pat McAfee
That was a cameo.
- [115:33]
AJ Hawk
I heard it was a live stream. Not cameo.
- [115:35]
Pat McAfee
No, I think it was a cameo. I think it was the cameo. It was, I think.
- [115:38]
Connor
Well, they have. They have the live things popping up in the video, so it is hard.
- [115:42]
Pat McAfee
To tell, but it's probably somebody ripping the cameo on live. On a live. Potentially. And then it gets in there. I would assume that they didn't just drop into a five Big bones shoot at that brother without it being. You never know. You never know. All right.
- [115:57]
AJ Hawk
I heard from kids. I heard young kids told me so. Yeah. I don't know.
- [116:00]
Pat McAfee
So he just read a comment. Hey, my brother died yesterday. Hey, sorry to hear about your brother, D. With that being said, he had a life worth living. Five big booms. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. It's not going to bring him back, but certainly let you. We'd like to memorialize it might little cops.
- [116:20]
Tone
You never know.
- [116:20]
Connor
Little cops.
- [116:21]
Tone
Has anyone ever tried to bring someone back with big boobs before?
- [116:24]
Pat McAfee
I don't want to get too far into it, but I was at a funeral where five big boobs. Nope. Oh, yeah. I remember somebody was trying to bring life back into the body and that was a scene. I did not expect that.
- [116:36]
Tone
How did they try?
- [116:37]
Pat McAfee
Well, it was one of those everybody's got to pray and believe and buy in type thing. The energy and it worked. Yeah.
- [116:45]
AJ Hawk
How'd it end?
- [116:46]
Connor
The person got out of the coffin and they all.
- [116:50]
Pat McAfee
There was a lot of us who. Yeah. They didn't just know about their days yeah.
- [116:53]
AJ Hawk
How do you handle that? Did someone pull them away? Like, what do you do?
- [116:56]
Pat McAfee
They're actually undertaker. Yeah. It got interesting because, yeah, it was my first time ever experiencing that. And I've had a lot of friends pass away. A lot too many. And I don't, I don't try to do the funeral thing, but I'll do like the memorial thing. Like, hey, we're going to do this. The funeral is just not how I want to see, you know, that whole is not how I want to do it. But this was friend, family member, so very, very serious teammate, actually. Very, very serious. So we all chose to go and support and show and everything like that. So it was interesting. I don't think anybody ever experienced that or expected that. I was asking the religious folks, you know, I'm like, hey, I don't do a lot of the funerals. How often is this happening out here? Just so I know going forward what to expect walking in that I'm potentially going to either be a part of something or an uncomfortable situation afterwards. Yeah. Cuz after like five, six minutes of this, then they did have to pull person. Yes.
- [117:51]
AJ Hawk
Five, six minutes.
- [117:53]
Connor
That's a long time.
- [117:54]
Pat McAfee
Started out with a prayer. Started out with a prayer. Prayer was like 90 seconds, 2 minutes. And then immediately after the prayer, we didn't say amen yet. Then it was, now it's time to put forth our efforts and beliefs. And I'll tell you what, I was in. I was trying, sure. I was trying my best. It wasn't me.
- [118:09]
AJ Hawk
Not hard enough.
- [118:10]
Connor
That's three playbacks of the Bringing the boom to you. Breaking, Breaking the boom song.
- [118:15]
Pat McAfee
You're talking about five minutes.
- [118:15]
Connor
It's a long time.
- [118:16]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, that's a long time. And it felt like 40. Yeah, felt like 40 minutes. I can imagine probably 40 minutes in there, but it's a tough situation. Yeah.
- [118:24]
AJ Hawk
What if it worked, though? It's worth a shot. Like, what if it worked?
- [118:27]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. So afterwards I heard from one person that they heard a story obviously about. I said, okay, all right.
- [118:33]
Connor
In the Bible, someone crawled out.
- [118:35]
AJ Hawk
Someone crawled out of the casket.
- [118:37]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. It wasn't Jesus Christ moving the rock. It was somebody got life back and didn't go on to live, but certainly extended some time of being alive or whatever. I'm like, okay, well, it didn't happen today. And I was a believer. I wasn't the one bringing the juice down.
- [118:53]
Ty Schmidt
Which is crazy because usually like at that point portion of the funeral, like they've already taken all your blood out and everything. They've done, like, the embalming process.
- [119:00]
Pat McAfee
So. Yeah, it's hard to believe.
- [119:02]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [119:02]
Connor
But definitely.
- [119:03]
Ty Schmidt
Certainly.
- [119:04]
Pat McAfee
But I did because I want to.
- [119:05]
Ty Schmidt
Be the one that wants to.
- [119:06]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [119:07]
Tone
You were still bringing it.
- [119:08]
Pat McAfee
Just like when I'm on bigfoot hunting down in Georgia, I was told at the end of it, somebody in the group didn't believe hard enough. That's why we didn't see him as it wasn't me, I started looking around.
- [119:17]
AJ Hawk
Every group for the last 30 years, they've been telling that.
- [119:19]
Pat McAfee
No, 25 years he's been aloof in the woods, charging people to go bigfoot hunting. I would assume that there is a standard message at the end of a fruitless hunt for bigfoot. And I was certainly one of them, But I was not happy with the group that I was with because I was. Yeah.
- [119:35]
Connor
Locked in.
- [119:36]
AJ Hawk
You think they ever have any of his buddies dress up in a costume and start banging the tree? I climb up a tree and start making noises and bang around to, you know, keep the customers coming back.
- [119:43]
Pat McAfee
I don't even think they're that advanced of a hustle.
- [119:45]
AJ Hawk
Oh, yeah. Okay.
- [119:47]
Pat McAfee
I don't even think.
- [119:48]
Tone
But you do think. It's a hospital.
- [119:51]
Pat McAfee
It felt like it until you see it. They had a. They had a megaphone that was about.
- [119:57]
Connor
This big, like a cheerleading.
- [120:00]
Pat McAfee
It was. Yeah, that was about this large. And it was like. It got real big. Yeah. And literally, we would just post up in places in the woods. They would rest it on. On like a log or something. Like they were a sniper or a rifle. One of the nose. And they go, like, literally just yell.
- [120:17]
AJ Hawk
They're calling them in. They're calling them.
- [120:19]
Pat McAfee
That was the bigfoot hunt, you know, and it's very. It's very. You know, it's a lot of awful.
- [120:25]
AJ Hawk
What do they say again? Can you do it one more time?
- [120:27]
Pat McAfee
It was really just like a yell. And then somebody else came in, and they got a hold of the thing, and they did this different sound. It's like a. Like one of those. And I'm like, I get. Guess we don't know.
- [120:40]
Ty Schmidt
Yes, sir.
- [120:40]
Pat McAfee
I guess that is.
- [120:42]
AJ Hawk
What if they scare bigfoot away? They might be scaring bookfit away for the last 25 years.
- [120:45]
Pat McAfee
Well, the big thing is, as soon as. It was awesome. So they set this up. They set this up, right? And it would be like, wow, everybody let's know.
- [120:54]
AJ Hawk
Like the Ricola commercial, they would.
- [120:56]
Pat McAfee
They would do a full on good projection. And then. And then now you're just listening. Pitch black, 4am Georgia Hills in the woods. Holy nothing. Let's go to a no spot. All right. Well, actually, you want to give it a go? Sure. I take it, you know, they don't know what the. In my eyes, I left there thinking nobody knows what the sound is. Sure that they're all guessing, but I don't think Steve would appreciate me saying that.
- [121:32]
Tone
Right. You should have done the ricola.
- [121:36]
Pat McAfee
What if that is. And to be clear, I might have. I mean, there was. There was a couple. We did that like 50 times. I mean, we were in the woods for about four hours walking around the hills of Georgia. Yeah. One guy was partially deaf, which is big problem because we're hunting for bigfoot, which is all right.
- [121:52]
AJ Hawk
Yep.
- [121:52]
Connor
So hear him coming?
- [121:54]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Not even hearing. Come. Just hear anything? Yeah, yeah.
- [121:57]
AJ Hawk
Now, did he have any weapons? Like, what if they. What if they found him and bigfoot attacked you guys?
- [122:01]
Connor
You shoot him?
- [122:02]
Pat McAfee
I. I will say there's not going to be a lot of times you're going to see old Pat McAfee in the woods without a. Yeah, yeah. Just. Just a heads. Tim McAfee, son, you're not going to see me in the woods a lot without a little something something, you know, probably. Now, obviously can't travel through state lines with that, but you could certainly say, hey, if you got one, I'll take it. I would like to. Why do you have one? Okay. What do you. Okay. What? Well, yes, I understand how to utilize and operate that thing. So, yeah, I felt pretty. Pretty safe about the. But. But I want to go shake its hand.
- [122:32]
Ty Schmidt
Sure.
- [122:33]
Pat McAfee
You know, but it wouldn't show up because somebody didn't believe enough. Let's get to a break. I'm still pissed. What a waste of five hours. Next time.
- [122:40]
Connor
Next time.
- [122:41]
AJ Hawk
You should be glad you came back. I mean, normally, I would imagine that's a, you know, hey, come bigfoot hunting with us, and then you never come back. That's what probably happened.
- [122:48]
Pat McAfee
Tim McAfee said that whenever I told him what I was doing. Yeah. Said. So let me get this straight. You're going into hills of Georgia overnight with a deaf guy and another guy to go find bigfoot? I'm like, yeah. He goes, if you don't make it out of there, it's on you. And I am not proud to be your dad. I'm like, I didn't even think about potential death here until you mentioned. He goes, first thought you're going in the hills with random Georgia people. I'm like, yes, because good luck out there.
- [123:17]
Tone
That tends to happen to you a lot. Where a lot of people's first thought would be death. It's like, way down the list for you.
- [123:22]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Me, I'm like, these guys have seen him three times. 25 years. I mean, this is the people to go do it with.
- [123:28]
AJ Hawk
They claim that they saw. They claim that they haven't seen them.
- [123:31]
Pat McAfee
We had a foot.
- [123:32]
AJ Hawk
You got pictures.
- [123:33]
Pat McAfee
Got a piece of hair. Saw a piece of hair was in a bag. Almost jacked that thing. They got the. The footprint, but it was made with the clay or whatever.
- [123:41]
Connor
Fossilized.
- [123:42]
Pat McAfee
Fossilized footprint.
- [123:43]
AJ Hawk
Oh, yeah.
- [123:43]
Pat McAfee
It was a big foot. I think that's an accurate depiction of what this thing has. I don't know about the dong of it. Gotta be gigantic because that foot was huge. And then there was a photo of. Around a tree. Yep. One of these. Yeah.
- [124:00]
Connor
Oh, yeah.
- [124:00]
Pat McAfee
But it was blurry, you see, so.
- [124:02]
Connor
Oh, yeah.
- [124:03]
Pat McAfee
You had to kind of get through, but. But it was big photo on the wall, so I don't know if that made it better or worse. Bigger pixels, but I can see the blob. Yeah. I do one of these.
- [124:14]
Tone
Oh, yeah.
- [124:15]
Connor
Holy shit.
- [124:16]
Pat McAfee
Okay. Wow. That's out there. Okay.
- [124:18]
Ty Schmidt
Oh, yeah, he did see it.
- [124:20]
Pat McAfee
This guy was out in the middle of the hills too. Left his family to do this 25 years ago.
- [124:24]
AJ Hawk
Oh, geez.
- [124:25]
Pat McAfee
Out there. Saw it one time hunting, and then committed his whole life to doing it again. How could you not saying three times 20, 25 years. He told me, look at this. I got a footprint. Okay. Odds are good I believe it. I believe I tried to steal it. I said, I'm not leaving here without that foot. And then I realized quickly, you should probably get out of here. Thought about Tim. I shook his hand. I'd go back out there with Steve. Dave, the other guy. Steve and Dave. Dave has a family.
- [124:51]
AJ Hawk
Still doing it.
- [124:51]
Pat McAfee
Still bring it up. I'm assuming. I'm assuming Steve's still out there. I'm assuming Steve is still. Yeah, Bring it.
- [124:59]
Ty Schmidt
Still bringing it. Yeah.
- [125:00]
Pat McAfee
Dave. He might have been the one that didn't believe enough because I think he still had a family and stuff, so I don't know what he's thinking it was failed quest, but that doesn't mean that we won't find him again.
- [125:13]
Connor
Amen.
- [125:14]
Pat McAfee
Well said. I did give up a little bit of hope on bigfoot after that, though. I think I'm back in on it.
- [125:21]
Ty Schmidt
Okay.
- [125:21]
AJ Hawk
Yep.
- [125:23]
Pat McAfee
What was going on with those drones over there? Have we found that whole thing out here? Is that just done?
- [125:29]
Tone
It's done.
- [125:30]
Pat McAfee
It's done. Let's not talk about it.
- [125:31]
Connor
Let's move along for now.
- [125:33]
Pat McAfee
All right, let's make our picks on the other side. It's great to be here on TikTok Live.
- [125:37]
Connor
Yeah, it's gonna get pretty bloody.
- [125:39]
Ty Schmidt
Drink it in.
- [125:42]
Pat McAfee
Every day it's somebody attacking talk's livelihood. Today was a Supreme Court. Yeah, That's a pretty powerful bunch.
- [125:51]
Ty Schmidt
Yes, it is.
- [125:52]
Pat McAfee
I don't know the rules, how this thing goes, but anytime I hear supreme in front of it, feels like they have a lot of say. Yeah.
- [125:57]
Ty Schmidt
Clean sweep.
- [125:58]
Pat McAfee
Nine zip. Yeah.
- [126:01]
Connor
Talking. The others are marching on Washington.
- [126:03]
Pat McAfee
He's leading the charge on Inauguration day.
- [126:07]
Connor
No, no, on. On the Supreme Court to overturn the Tik Tok ruling.
- [126:10]
Pat McAfee
If he comes flopping in. Oh, yeah, they'll hear him coming. That's the issue with talk. The way he walks and runs is louder than, like, people who clap. So the Supreme Court will hear talk coming before they see him maybe a mile out. So they'll have time to prepare. But they don't know the buzz saw.
- [126:28]
Ty Schmidt
No, that's right behind that marble in there, too. That's echoing holy throughout.
- [126:34]
Connor
Yeah, yeah. Walking through there clapping like Donald Duck.
- [126:37]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Let alone all the other tick tockers I saw on the nightly news. Or maybe it was the morning news. One or the other. Tiktoker's crying. Yeah, I don't. I don't want to see him crying.
- [126:46]
Ty Schmidt
I know.
- [126:47]
Pat McAfee
I think I saw the guy that everybody said was Dan Orlovsky crying. Really? I think. Say, I'm losing my family.
- [126:53]
Ty Schmidt
He's a working actor. What the does he care?
- [126:55]
Pat McAfee
Oh, it just looked like a man, wasn't it?
- [126:57]
Connor
He's a big talker, too.
- [126:58]
Pat McAfee
It was just a tick tocker. Yeah. Tik Tok. Super, super emotional.
- [127:03]
Connor
A lot of Dan Orloski look alikes on Tik Tok.
- [127:05]
Ty Schmidt
Sure, sure.
- [127:08]
Pat McAfee
Talk. We love you, man.
- [127:10]
Connor
Good run.
- [127:11]
Pat McAfee
You did great work with that particular app. Are we going to have to call this guy reals on Monday?
- [127:19]
Tone
I. I started today just to see how it felt. It didn't feel good.
- [127:22]
Pat McAfee
Maybe just call him goofball. Potentially. All right, we'll brainstorm.
- [127:31]
Adam Schefter
Will, talk to me.
- [127:32]
AJ Hawk
Abc, Tuesday.
- [127:33]
Pat McAfee
They took his daughter. She's coming home alive. Will Trent, the series critics are calling powerful.
- [127:40]
AJ Hawk
Must see TV continues to thrill.
- [127:43]
Pat McAfee
Shouldn't we strategize before we go in there? If we screw up this case, a cop killer walks free with the riveting.
- [127:48]
Adam Schefter
Conclusion to a two part season premiere.
- [127:51]
Pat McAfee
Tbi. Help me get down. Will tread all New Tuesday on ABC and stream on Hulu from ESPN Podcast and Omaha Productions. Coach is a new, groundbreaking educational football podcast hosted by NFL legends Bill Belichick, Matt, Patricia and Michael Lombardi.
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AJ Hawk
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Pat McAfee
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AJ Hawk
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Pat McAfee
New episodes of Coach Drop Weekly.
- [128:30]
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Listen wherever you get your podcasts.
- [128:37]
Pat McAfee
Football is wonderful. That's A.J. hawk. He's a college football national champion, a Super bowl champion, both with Ohio State and Green Bay Packers. The talks and tables here at Boston. Connor and Anti Schmidt one after the Hammer Dad Cowboys AP Tone is here and Tone, I'll start with you. What's the story of the week that we haven't given enough attention to? What's something that we haven't chatted about enough? Is it the indie volleyball team, the Indie Ignite, that have launched their season professional women's volleyball here at the Fishers arena, where they're packing it out and they're undefeated, I do believe. I think they are. I think they're a wagon. The indie. Indie Ignite is the name of the women's volleyball team here in Fishers, Indiana. They've been balling, they've been doing it. Is that the story?
- [129:22]
Tone
I actually met them at the bar a couple weekends ago. Great group of people.
- [129:26]
Pat McAfee
Tall, very tall, very athletic, I bet. And it they're filling up. That Fisher's, what's it called up there? Bruce, you live right across.
- [129:34]
AJ Hawk
You live near that area, Fisher's Event Center.
- [129:36]
Pat McAfee
It was jumping last night.
- [129:38]
AJ Hawk
The parking lot was packed.
- [129:39]
Pat McAfee
He said there's been some events that have come through the Fishers Event Center. This, this is a brand new venue, 6,500 seats, I think 7,000 seats, something like that. Somewhere in that brand new venue in Fishers, Indiana, which is northeast Indianapolis in Indiana or whatever. And he said there's some events because he's got eyes in a parking lot from where he lives. Some people come to town, boy, there ain't no action. There is nothing. This Indie Ignite thing though, I think they're starting to fill up even more and they win. I think that's only going to get going even more. The location of it. Perfect. And if you win, I think people are going to get behind it regardless. It's awesome. That's a beautiful venue too, I think. Yeah.
- [130:16]
Connor
I'll be honest, I have not actually gone to anything. I only look at the parking lot attendance.
- [130:21]
AJ Hawk
But Indy at night.
- [130:22]
Connor
The attendance has been great Indie fuel to hockey.
- [130:26]
Ty Schmidt
It's been packed out for pretty much.
- [130:28]
AJ Hawk
All of their games as well.
- [130:29]
Pat McAfee
Here we go. Indy's alive. Indianapolis Colts going to Berlin next year. People saying, would you step saw that? I didn't say that.
- [130:38]
Connor
No, no, no. I saw people say that.
- [130:40]
Pat McAfee
I didn't say that. People were saying maybe the Berlin Indianapolis Colts and you take a year off over there. You know, that's what I think some people were saying. I was not saying that. Obviously they're going to go over there and they're going to do it, you know, no doubt. And the Germans are a loyal family. Bjorn Werner from over there, former cult, obviously with the brother football bromance. Bromance. The football bromance show. Huge part of growing the NFL over there. So I think Bjorn deserves a massive amount of recognition alongside everybody else in that particular show and the country of Germany being big football fans. Colts going over there for a game. One or two, maybe three. Colts five, six. Loved here in Indianapolis. Never forget it.
- [131:25]
Connor
Yes, they are.
- [131:26]
Pat McAfee
It's much bigger than just those who are wearing the uniform at the moment.
- [131:30]
Tone
Bingo.
- [131:31]
Pat McAfee
You know.
- [131:31]
Ty Schmidt
Sure.
- [131:32]
Pat McAfee
So no matter my thoughts on the situation, no matter anybody's thoughts on the situation, the Colts will always be held in high regard.
- [131:39]
Connor
Yes.
- [131:39]
Pat McAfee
Now will people have faith in them? Certainly not always. No. Certainly not.
- [131:43]
Connor
City doesn't right now.
- [131:44]
Pat McAfee
We got to do too. There's a lot going on here. We got Indy ignite lighting up. Pacers are going to be around in the end. In the Eastern Conference fever just launched a $78 million practice facility for Caitlin Clark and her team there. As they're gonna continue to only get better and better. So Colts need to.
- [132:03]
AJ Hawk
Does Indy have a new team in that new. The new women's league that's kicking off soon?
- [132:08]
Pat McAfee
That's only down in Miami. I do believe. There's only one arena. The unrivaled. There's so many unwords. There is undisputed, unforgivable, unverse verse, unobtainable, a universe obtainable, unacceptable, un W Unobtainium. That's great. They've been trying to get that for a long time. There's another one of those coming out. Yeah, another one of those coming out. I'm sure everybody's going to go watch it after what the second one was. Talk about just ruining an absolute try to tell you.
- [132:40]
Tone
You mean the whales?
- [132:41]
AJ Hawk
Was the second one not good? I don't remember.
- [132:43]
Pat McAfee
I thought you loved it.
- [132:44]
Connor
Mind the second one.
- [132:45]
Pat McAfee
Really? Yeah.
- [132:46]
Connor
And I.
- [132:47]
Pat McAfee
You've been not mind in a lot of things. I think the thing you're turning into Zita. You're turning into Z. You guys had effort, you put effort in. I appreciate it. I respect it. I like it. Which once again, I do like. I do like that you two have that. I do appreciate that you guys just respect and appreciate anybody making content. Like, I like that.
- [133:04]
Connor
Yeah, I. I wouldn't argue. I think there's something that launched very recently that I very loudly did not like. But I do think. But I do think when it comes to those type of movies, they're very hard to make. And when they can, you know, maybe the second one wasn't great in comparison to the first, but a lot of times that is what happens. So you can't compare. I don't compare it to the first one. I just look at it standalone. Is this a good film?
- [133:29]
Pat McAfee
We're talking about Avatar, by the way. The Unobtainium was everything that was underneath the tree out there in nine Light Years Away. And Pandora, I mean that's the whole what we're chatting about. About. But unrivaled.
- [133:43]
Ty Schmidt
Correct.
- [133:43]
Pat McAfee
Is the 3 on 3 women's basketball league that is tipping off today. Weren't able to land Caitlin Clark or Plum. Right. I believe.
- [133:52]
Connor
Yeah, I don't think she's in either.
- [133:53]
Ty Schmidt
She's not.
- [133:54]
Pat McAfee
But beastu and everybody else is in part of this and are getting paid good money, right?
- [133:59]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, correct.
- [134:01]
Pat McAfee
From our interview with beastu about this.
- [134:03]
Connor
Yeah.
- [134:03]
AJ Hawk
Their average is actually the average is higher than like the max for the wnba. They said.
- [134:08]
Pat McAfee
Bingo. Yeah. So we thought that it was a chance to maybe take over for the wnba. But one of the first questions whenever we talked to Beastu goat champion, obviously with Liberty next to Sabrina and Esco and team over there was you got Caitlin Clark in there. And they said we got a lot of great players. Obviously we're going forward. And do you got Caitlin Clark over there? Was all. Was really the question that I had. Turns out they do not. We shall see how it goes without Caitlin. Obviously Caitlin brought a lot of new eyes, as did her entire draft class. Obviously Caitlin's not just playing 5 verse 0 okay. In college, which is why everybody was watching. But you know what it says if you look at the stats, follow the ratings. There is a wagon.
- [134:52]
Connor
There's a massive draw.
- [134:53]
Pat McAfee
And it is, it's a good thing, not a bad thing for women's basketball. Even though it felt like. Like for a while everybody thought it was bad for women's basketball. I think Inevitably it'll be a good thing and everybody will view it that way. But I'm excited to see how a women's basketball league does without Caitlin Clark. When Caitlin Clark potentially available for three on three league, I think it'll do well and I think it's got guaranteed contracts for a few years with big investors. So I think they'll continue to draw massive amounts of talent. And good luck to beastu. I'm pumped anytime an athlete get some ownership and does something. So good luck to the unrivaled crew.
- [135:27]
Connor
Hell yeah. Something that we haven't talked about that we've kind of been watching all week was the Australian open.
- [135:33]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Oh, yeah. What's her name?
- [135:34]
Connor
Danielle Collins.
- [135:36]
Pat McAfee
My favorite tennis player of all time.
- [135:38]
Connor
Dog.
- [135:38]
Pat McAfee
I didn't know she's not brand new. I did not know that. She has been a tennis player for a while now. Went into Australia, took on Australia's belle of the ball, I guess one of them. And they were letting her know about it the entire time time she's talking her. Huh. What? Huh? Huh. Why? That's what I thought. How about that? That's huh. Kiss. And then later she even do kiss my ass to the entire. My ash. To the entire crew. I like to let her know she is my new favorite tennis player on earth. You go into somebody else's house in somebody else's trap and then you take over their trap and then you say, kiss my ass. Yeah. I love everything about that. And then she did an interview afterwards where she said basically, hey, Australia, thanks for the paycheck. Okay. The win, you get more money. And then she walked out. I'm like, this is a heel. This is a heel through and through. And to win that game and live up to the moment, I respect and appreciate. What's her name?
- [136:36]
Connor
Danielle Collins.
- [136:37]
Pat McAfee
I wish I could get a jersey.
- [136:38]
Connor
Yeah.
- [136:39]
AJ Hawk
Has she always been doing this stuff? Has she always done this? I don't know.
- [136:42]
Pat McAfee
I don't know either.
- [136:42]
Connor
This is one of those. Maybe it was just last. Last year for me, but like getting into tennis, especially as like the. With the majors and when they kind of whittle down to the quarterfinals and semi finals like it is awesome actually. And I. I have never really been a tennis guy till last year.
- [136:56]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Because if you're not good, you're going to get exposed and that's kind of awesome to watch, you know. And then if you're good, there's at least.
- [137:03]
Connor
Yeah. Like the guys. The guys and girls who are at the top are nasty.
- [137:07]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. We're sliding and I mean, there is. There's a lot of drama. A lot of. Lot of drama. Feels like the crowds are the most ins. Insufferable group of people.
- [137:14]
Connor
No doubt.
- [137:15]
Pat McAfee
You know, that. That's. Anytime they show the crowds. Because you think to yourself, man, that might be a fun thing to go to.
- [137:21]
Connor
You know, because, like, the US Open.
- [137:23]
Pat McAfee
Then they show the crowds going to church. You gotta clap.
- [137:26]
AJ Hawk
You can clap every once in a while.
- [137:27]
Pat McAfee
I guess I'm like, I don't know if that's really our crowd. Travis went, yeah, that's kind of more.
- [137:32]
Ty Schmidt
So Wimbledon, I think. I think Australia is pretty rowdy. And, like, they talk about how the US Open is like people are just getting hammered in the stands, having a good old time.
- [137:40]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, Yeah. I enjoy. I. I get down, watch a little tennis. And I didn't know about her. Favorite tennis player of all. Yeah, I'm willing to say it. Favorite tennis player of all time. Even Finch Lynch. Marty Fish. Marty Fish. Fish. Great golfer, great guy. Love his moxie. Second favorite tennis player of all time. He well said.
- [138:04]
Connor
Djokovic came out and was like, Daniel Cole.
- [138:06]
Pat McAfee
Bones is macaron. Like, hold on. I'd like to redo it. Joker's my favorite.
- [138:11]
Ty Schmidt
Sure.
- [138:11]
Pat McAfee
Because he started an entire medical plant, bought an entire medicine facility for hundreds of millions of dollars because he didn't think that he needed to get the.
- [138:20]
Connor
Jab because of this tournament.
- [138:21]
Pat McAfee
Because of the Australian. Oh. Because the Italian put Joker at the top. Just because of how. Is that right? He was. Love that. Then let's put Daniel Collins number two. Then we got Mr. Fish.
- [138:33]
Ty Schmidt
Marty Finch.
- [138:37]
Pat McAfee
Excuse me.
- [138:37]
Ty Schmidt
You're right.
- [138:38]
Pat McAfee
Fish. Yeah, yeah, we know.
- [138:41]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah. Right? Marty Fish.
- [138:43]
Connor
Yeah, I know. Jenny's documentary.
- [138:47]
Pat McAfee
Jenny his fin. She's a great pitcher. She was great. So I apologize both legends. And if Jenny. If Jenny played Dennis, I should be great. I would. I would. Would. Yeah. I mean, that.
- [138:59]
Connor
That. Holy.
- [139:02]
Pat McAfee
Because you're supposed to check the watch. I couldn't even imagine accidentally serving it right into it and checking that. Oh, my God. Maybe she needs Jenny Finch is not in my top four tennis players just yet. Top four.
- [139:17]
AJ Hawk
Softball.
- [139:17]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, definitely. Well, the entire Oklahoma softball team, of course. Because how they train me. That coach is awesome. I remember broken Norm. Paisan. Paisan name.
- [139:27]
Ty Schmidt
Patty Gaso.
- [139:31]
Pat McAfee
There it is. Love. Love everything about her. Love the Oakland. That's why. But back to tennis. We got Joker number one. We got Danielle Collins number two. Marty Fish number three. And then I guess you gotta have Mac. Sh.
- [139:48]
Tone
Macarole and Agassi. Both been good on the show, Joe.
- [139:51]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I forgot about AG Was awesome.
- [139:55]
Connor
He wouldn't want to be in your top four. He hates tennis.
- [139:58]
Pat McAfee
No, he. He did one time.
- [140:00]
AJ Hawk
Dad made him hate tennis. Yeah.
- [140:02]
Pat McAfee
Now he's back to loving it again.
- [140:03]
Connor
Remember, he loves pickle ball.
- [140:05]
Tone
Did he?
- [140:06]
AJ Hawk
When? Well, he played in that.
- [140:08]
Pat McAfee
We know Macaro. Hated it.
- [140:10]
Tone
Yeah.
- [140:10]
Pat McAfee
Who's the. Who's the. Pete, obviously. Jesus Christ, Christina. That's so rude of me. But that's the top. She's at the top.
- [140:19]
Connor
Yeah. Goat list, not favorite. It's two different.
- [140:22]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Hey, thanks for just dominating the world for America. We really appreciate that. Anna Kournikova sure is an American. No, I don't know who that is. Russian.
- [140:34]
Tone
Right now.
- [140:35]
Connor
Bring it. She's number one.
- [140:38]
Pat McAfee
That's just what she do. She's bringing the bone to you. Catchy, isn't it? Age.
- [140:45]
AJ Hawk
It is pretty catchy.
- [140:47]
Pat McAfee
It's just like more schools get a shot to shine, you know?
- [140:51]
Connor
Should we down to two? Maybe Monday.
- [140:54]
Pat McAfee
Monday we'll run it back. Hey, I think we got a massive guest on Monday.
- [140:57]
Connor
Nice.
- [140:58]
Pat McAfee
I think, like very large guests.
- [141:03]
Connor
That'd be great.
- [141:03]
Pat McAfee
Somebody we've never had on the show before.
- [141:05]
Tone
Stature or size?
- [141:06]
Pat McAfee
I think somebody that hasn't done an interview in like eight years. Years either. Oh, okay. I think is the number. Dumpy, you were there. Was that the number? It was eight years. Whenever it was talked about. Yes, sir. I believe eight years. I think we better nine, ten. Better.
- [141:19]
Tone
Come prepared.
- [141:19]
Pat McAfee
Seven. Yes.
- [141:20]
Connor
Yeah, you better.
- [141:21]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Me we gotta bring. I'm always don't it up. Bring the boom in there. We'll be at the national championship. Of course, bringing a boom. Just like Doordash can bring to you. Anything you need from our friends at Doordash is available. You know the game with Doordash is the way it is.
- [141:38]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [141:39]
Pat McAfee
Every once in a while, one out of eight or nine. Okay. You're not gonna get exactly what you ordered. It's gonna be a little bit different because technology's involved, humans are involved, ordering's involved, picking up, moving is involved. But other than that, Doordash will show up for you 100% of the time. Whatever you need from them. You want a plunger if you're aj just clogging up toilets all over the place. Door D can bring it. You need a pair of pants Split my pants. My pants. Whatever the case, Doordash can bring you some pants. You need an iron. You got it. You also want some sushi? You want a little surfing turf Maybe get a filet alongside of it. DoorDash. Got it. Five star restaurants. No star restaurants. Brand new restaurants. Doordash restaurants that have ghost kitchens don't even serve anywhere other than doordash. They got your back. You can order pizza and more from the best seats in a house. House. Your house. Boom. Shot the doordash. I love Doordash the best. I've given him so much money.
- [142:33]
Tone
Yeah.
- [142:33]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [142:33]
Connor
I was thinking about that today. It's like the amount of times.
- [142:38]
Pat McAfee
What is that?
- [142:39]
Connor
Someone just.
- [142:43]
Pat McAfee
Now we wait.
- [142:44]
Tone
Bone doing something.
- [142:45]
Pat McAfee
Somebody funny. Bone.
- [142:47]
AJ Hawk
Animals in the ceiling.
- [142:48]
Pat McAfee
Somebody will move out here. Bone might be going for his six Mountain Dew of the day. Now he's no more pulling pop. Remember Monday. Sucking down an extra large Dr. Pepper this morning. Huh? Talk took a upstairs. That's not good. He should never be pooping up there. He shouldn't with what he brings, which is boom. Yeah. Every time he poops, he's bringing the boom to you. How about on that plane? I don't know how the plane didn't go down with him. Yeah. In the back of that first.
- [143:21]
Connor
First time.
- [143:22]
Pat McAfee
I think he felt obligated to do it. First time on a plane like that. I would gotta go ahead and. Really Territory.
- [143:27]
AJ Hawk
Is that. Is that an obligation people feel?
- [143:28]
Pat McAfee
When I went to Europe and we're doing this castle tours, which they kind of force you to do because there's so many castles over there. And it's pretty cool. It's pretty cool to watch the history. I mean, once you see one, you've basically seen them all. But, I mean, they are certainly awesome. I did make a nice little thing. I'm gonna go to the bathroom and all these things. Yeah. You know, I mean, just so I. King Henry's castle. I took a dump inside of it. Yeah.
- [143:46]
Tone
Like the colts forced you to do the tour.
- [143:48]
Pat McAfee
I wasn't over there with the colts. I was over there for soccer.
- [143:50]
Tone
Oh, okay.
- [143:51]
Pat McAfee
But it's just like, basically an easy thing to do. Like, hey, what are you doing on Monday? Oh, here's a sightseeing tour. Go see this castle. And then when you see the castle, you're seeing also a river, a bridge, a whole thing. Because where they are always located, that's just like an easy European day. Yeah. Filler. And then you go eat in their little town and do all their little activities. And then you go back to wherever you're staying. And then the next day. What are you doing? Oh, we're gonna go see a castle in this town.
- [144:18]
Connor
It's different.
- [144:19]
Pat McAfee
And it's gonna be a different castle here. Do the whole thing. And it is, like, all of it is cool, you know, it is. Because everything's so damn old. It is so, so, so crazy. So old. It's. And I love how much passion the people seemingly have for it, you know, to, like, uphold it all. They understand the tourism is the reason why said town is potentially doing great. Some people do the feel that way. There's other Europeans, I think, that didn't want me there. Of course that happens. But, yeah, I try to go to the bathroom, mark my territory, and all those castles let them know what I've been.
- [144:47]
AJ Hawk
Was it. Was it a toilet, or was it the old school? Like, you know, like a hole, Like. Like eight holes that just drops into the big pit.
- [144:54]
Pat McAfee
So I don't think Europe does the holes thing anymore. Japan had a couple of those where you had to grab the wall. Yep. Poop pits.
- [145:03]
Connor
Yeah. Just a hole in the ground.
- [145:05]
Tone
Those sound kind of awesome.
- [145:06]
Pat McAfee
One of those because you're kind of on a squatty potty. Yeah. Chasing.
- [145:11]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, whatever those are. Those kind of lost some steam. What happened to those squatty potties?
- [145:17]
Pat McAfee
I think everybody started stubbing their toes off them whenever they were next to the toilet at night when they were going to the bathroom. That's my personal experience. I don't know about everybody else's. I'll turn the corner. Boom. That's just what it do. It's literally right there on the right side of the toilet, and it just stubs my toe. It's like, okay, I'm about done with this piece of oak in my bathroom just so I can poop a tiny bit better.
- [145:39]
Connor
Yeah.
- [145:40]
Pat McAfee
They did have some good steam, though, going. They did have some good steam.
- [145:43]
AJ Hawk
They did, yeah.
- [145:44]
Pat McAfee
First steamers.
- [145:46]
Connor
Yeah.
- [145:47]
Pat McAfee
Spain. Of good steam. Tik tok at it.
- [145:50]
Connor
It did good.
- [145:51]
Pat McAfee
Wrong. Did I just see a video of the CEO coming out saying, we won't live, we want to survive. We won't work together, we want to drive? That's what he said.
- [145:58]
Tone
That's.
- [145:59]
Connor
Oh, really?
- [146:00]
Tone
Is that what he said?
- [146:01]
Pat McAfee
I don't know. And what's AI and what's not? Which is another massive piece of the entire conversation.
- [146:05]
Tone
Was it speaking English or Mandarin?
- [146:07]
Pat McAfee
What's that? You thought the NFLPA thing was fake?
- [146:09]
Connor
No, that was my assumption with the NFLPA. Like, hey, we can replace 150 people with two AI.
- [146:14]
Pat McAfee
Let's talk about that. Did you know the NFLPA had at least 150 employees? Holy. Who's paying for that? The money they're taking from all the.
- [146:20]
AJ Hawk
Players, I. I assume, right?
- [146:22]
Pat McAfee
What.
- [146:23]
AJ Hawk
How do you. If you. That's the first thing I thought of. 150 people you want to lay off or you're trying to like, offer packages for them to leave and give them a year's pay for. That's a ton of money to get rid of all these people. But how many total employees do you have?
- [146:34]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, who's paying whenever you up fees? Hey, we need to up the fees because the war chests and everything we're doing for you, Nothing. Everything we're doing for you, we're going to take more money. Hey, you're going to want us though. Okay, let's show you a video. Let's tell you what it used to be like.
- [146:49]
AJ Hawk
Okay.
- [146:50]
Pat McAfee
Used to be real bad. You see these images? These are real images. See this dirt rolling around the locker room? See that? Rabies infested animals at your practice. These guys had to work three jobs, play football. Then we came in and we made it happen for them to make this an actual professional sport. Was it you or was it somebody back in the day or was it.
- [147:11]
AJ Hawk
TV money as well that helped morph the game into a new dimension?
- [147:14]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. And tell me how you play into this. You just kind of got dropped into this thing after it already started or how are you hustling this entire situation? How are you making it better? Well, we're hiring, we're expanding, we're growing. We need more money. Okay. Yeah, I don't think you do. Okay. We want that thing to be.
- [147:32]
AJ Hawk
You know, that's why this is. There's a new guy running it, so that's why this is probably a good thing. The new guy said, hey, we can. Hey, let's. We gotta become more efficient here.
- [147:39]
Pat McAfee
Finance guy, remember, if I do recall, he was a finance guy who has become the new NFLPA leader. And I assume he looked at the P. Ls every single year and he looked at about 200 people and he said, we're paying them how much? And what do they do? What exactly do you do here? And he said, get rid of them. Get rid of them. And I like that. I think what we're doing is heading to much, much, much better place for the nflpa, which means much better place for the NFL as a whole. I don't. I know that there is always going to be an adversarial relationship between the players in the league, but the way the NFLPA, in my personal experience, went about trying to do business was the dumbest I've Ever been a part of. Inexperienced. I mean, and they gave away my name and my likeness and even boomstick, whatever it was, the entire thing. Hey, we. We got you an extra 25 cents a shirt. You're welcome. It's like, go fuck yourself. Yeah, how about that one? How about just cutting me off at the knees, basically, from a business standpoint. Thanks, nflpa. Thanks for making my life better. I appreciate that. Hey, I've been tested eight times a month for like 25 straight months. Can you guys tell them to back off a little bit? And then they text me three months later when I'm already a of the program. You good? Okay. Okay. I am good now.
- [148:58]
Connor
Thanks.
- [148:59]
Pat McAfee
I am good now. 150 at least. Did you know there was even 150 employees? I had no idea there was 100. Should have expected that, though.
- [149:07]
AJ Hawk
Where are they? Like, I assume they're spread out around the country or where. Like, where do they have headquarters?
- [149:11]
Connor
Are they New York, would that be?
- [149:14]
Tone
Google's telling me that the NFL Players association has had as of November 2024, for approximately 528 employees across various locations, including North America, Asia, and Oceana Oceania.
- [149:26]
Pat McAfee
These just stealing this money. Wow. So they owe Panini, the sports trading card company, $7.8 million. And this is apparently what the leadership is doing to help pay back that money. Allegedly. Not allegedly. This is what they're being reported as.
- [149:42]
Tone
The fiscal year in 2024.
- [149:44]
Pat McAfee
They made 400, 110 million dollars in revenue and spent 389 million in expenses.
- [149:52]
Ty Schmidt
A lot of steak dinners.
- [149:53]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [149:53]
Connor
Holy.
- [149:54]
Pat McAfee
I can't take them seriously.
- [149:55]
AJ Hawk
Yeah.
- [149:56]
Connor
A lot of fully baked potatoes.
- [149:58]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. With the extra cheese, bacon loaded. The little green onions things. Yep.
- [150:04]
Ty Schmidt
Chives, which I like.
- [150:05]
Pat McAfee
I don't mind them. I'm not getting a baked potato ever. But if I am, I would like. Oh, that. No smoke. Sour cream. Milk, please.
- [150:12]
AJ Hawk
No way. No way.
- [150:14]
Pat McAfee
But I'll get the butter in there. Oh, yeah.
- [150:15]
Connor
Oh, yeah. Mix it up.
- [150:17]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. To make what?
- [150:19]
Connor
Mashed potatoes.
- [150:20]
Pat McAfee
Bingo. Boom. That's just what you do. All right, let's do our picture. Let's get the out of here. Got nowhere to go Tonight or tomorrow. How about it? How about it?
- [150:34]
Connor
How about it?
- [150:34]
Pat McAfee
How about it? It's been a pretty wild ride.
- [150:36]
Connor
Break open the ice cream, baby.
- [150:38]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I. I went to bed last night talking to Sam. She was like, where are you off to? And I'm like, I think I'm home tomorrow. Yeah, I am. Saturday, too. Home. It's been a fun run. Lucky to do it all. We'll do it again ten times out of ten. And we only have one college game day left.
- [150:55]
Ty Schmidt
I know.
- [150:56]
Pat McAfee
On the season. One college football game left on the season. Four NFL games this weekend. Two of the football following weekend. Then one two weeks from that. Yeah.
- [151:06]
Ty Schmidt
Pro bowl games too.
- [151:08]
Pat McAfee
Royal Rumble. That as well. In Indianapolis. Yeah. In between championship round and the Super Bowl. That feels like good timing for a magical event in a beautiful city.
- [151:20]
Connor
That city was built for Marks.
- [151:22]
Pat McAfee
It really was. It was built for Marks to host this type of event. What were you gonna say, Toad?
- [151:26]
Tone
They're still doing Pro bowl games?
- [151:28]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I think they're doing it during a week too. I think it's during a week and I think it rolls into Sunday. Okay. I think it's a full on thing.
- [151:34]
Connor
Can't wait.
- [151:35]
Pat McAfee
We may or may not have been asked to be a part of it.
- [151:40]
Tone
They suck.
- [151:41]
Pat McAfee
It was kind of my lean whenever I gave my answer. Yeah, yeah. Love that we're celebrating it. The people we would. Had to work with. Wise. Production wise. Yeah. Probably never gonna do that ever. But also the whole thing. Do we wanna. Do we wanna act like we like it? Where's it at? Orlando. Which is a beautiful place. Beautiful. Could go to Disney. And I like that they're trying to save the whole Pro bowl thing, you know so I appreciate that. I think some of the things are just. We're making a mockery out of the NFL here. Seems like this is a social media degree Haver who doesn't know ball. Thinking of ways to make football players look like doofuses. But they're great football players so that's good news.
- [152:22]
Tone
Sure.
- [152:23]
Pat McAfee
But I think they're gonna make it better. I think they're gonna continue to make it better. I thought most AP voters go to that, don't they? Telling you to get eyes on the product that you voted in.
- [152:31]
Connor
That's a good point.
- [152:32]
Tone
I don't even understand where that came from.
- [152:34]
Pat McAfee
Ap, you're the one that's deciding who's the mvp.
- [152:39]
Tone
Nothing to do with Pro Bowl.
- [152:40]
Pat McAfee
Best of the best. You don't vote for Pro Bowl? No. Just all Pro. Yep. I'm happy you guys don't vote for Pro Bowl.
- [152:47]
Tone
Yeah, it's Mickey Moss.
- [152:48]
Pat McAfee
No, no, no. I think Baldoers. Not the. Or not. Not that. All 50 AP voters.
- [152:56]
Tone
Sure.
- [152:58]
Pat McAfee
Who is the Pro Bowl? Players, fans, coaches. Fans. Yeah. They should get refs in there too. Yeah.
- [153:03]
Tone
If it was just players I would have some respect. But as soon as you let fans.
- [153:06]
Pat McAfee
Vote you, you lose interest.
- [153:10]
Tone
They lose all credibility.
- [153:11]
Connor
I have voted.
- [153:12]
Pat McAfee
I voted too. I'm a fan. You a fan? I voted.
- [153:17]
Connor
What the hell you trying to say Tony?
- [153:18]
Pat McAfee
You got Bill voted.
- [153:20]
Tone
You guys are technically fans. Yeah, but you're not fans.
- [153:22]
AJ Hawk
M noted.
- [153:23]
Pat McAfee
Excuse me. I remember it got attacked. Mitt did vote. M's a big fan.
- [153:27]
Connor
What's this jersey say to you?
- [153:29]
Pat McAfee
Says you're a marker. That's exactly what we're talking about. Yeah. Quadruple XL head Coach Vrabel jersey. Double. With how small you've gotten, that thing looks like it is a tablecloth built.
- [153:43]
Connor
For a shirt cock session.
- [153:45]
Pat McAfee
I don't think I fully know what that means. It means your gonna be sticking out the bottom. Bingo. Yeah.
- [153:49]
Tone
Like daffy.
- [153:49]
Pat McAfee
Sure. Precisely. I thought you were. I didn't know if that was the case because the length of it I was trying to check. I thought maybe you were gonna tie that sewing right here at the waist. Yeah. You know, make sure. Make sure it fits nice and snug.
- [154:01]
Tone
You ever see little kids go be sometimes before they go to bed they're just wearing tighty whiteies in a big T shirt. It's basically what he's doing.
- [154:07]
Pat McAfee
Okay, got it.
- [154:08]
AJ Hawk
There's no.
- [154:08]
Connor
No whities.
- [154:11]
Pat McAfee
Nothing.
- [154:13]
Connor
Baby socks.
- [154:14]
Pat McAfee
Let's pick our games. Just right there on your forehead dangling. First game Saturday 4:30. Favored by eight and a half. The back to back super bowl champions on a quest to do something nobody has ever done before. Even. Even the incredible New England Patriots dynasty win three straight Super Bowls. To do that they're obviously going to have to win tomorrow against a Houston Texans team led by a young stud in CJ Stroud. With Nico Collins back in the lineup, he's opened up the offense for he in Slowik. Demico Ryan's leads a defense that has dogs across the board. They're playing their best ball. Lassiter Stingley on the outside of both gotten picks very very recently. And then Will Hunter and Daniel. Or Daniel Hunter And Will Anderson Jr. Absolutely. Game wreckers. AJ 8 and a half point spread. Kansas City Chiefs at home.
- [155:10]
AJ Hawk
Joe Mixon's questionable. Is that correct for Texans? Do we know that?
- [155:13]
Connor
That's what it was reported. But he's definitely playing.
- [155:17]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [155:17]
AJ Hawk
You think so? Okay. Well yeah, he'll. He'll figure it out. You know I've gone back and forth with this 8 and a half does seem like. Like a lot. I know there's all kind of history going back with the Chiefs covering the spread or their lack thereof I guess. But I'm going to take the Texans here in the points.
- [155:31]
Pat McAfee
Wow, that feels like a logical bet. What's the public doing on this game? Texans plus eight and a half just because of what the Chiefs have done.
- [155:39]
Tone
55% on the Chiefs.
- [155:41]
Pat McAfee
Okay, okay. Let's go to the seat gate ticket pricing here just to see how much money it is to get into this particular game. Texans at Chiefs 426 Average resale price for this particular game. Obviously that's a lot of money. Not as much as the Commander's Lions game or the LA Rams Eagles game. Certainly more than the Ravens Bills which doesn't make any sense here.
- [156:02]
Ty Schmidt
No, to me.
- [156:03]
Pat McAfee
$30 off obviously use code PAT 2025 at our friends at SeatGeek. You can be a returning customer or you can be a brand new customer and if you haven't used SeatGeek before, you should get in there and try it. It's is the greatest. They got tickets for everything including these playoffs and divisional round. Okay, let's get back to the $426 ticket price. Kansas City Chiefs favored by eight and a half. Taylor switch going to be here?
- [156:25]
Ty Schmidt
Yes, she is.
- [156:26]
Pat McAfee
Did we see that stat with Taylor in the building? What they have been. I think they're like 11 and 7 or something like that. They've. They've only lost three straight up and they've covered 11 out of 18. Yeah, 11 and Saturdays. Yeah. So 11 and 7 I believe was against a spread with her in the building. Give me the Kansas City Chiefs to kind of do what they did last year whenever they had to play the Bills on the road. You remember they're doing snow angels and everything. They kind of talking shit. Yeah, the Chiefs are still the Chiefs. I think that's what we need to remember. Eight and a half's a lot. I'm scared to death to make this pick because I've lost so much money betting on the Chiefs and they never cover. So eight and a half is a massive number for them to have to cover. Especially against a red hot Houston Texans team representing the AFC South. Thank you guys. Thank you guys for doing what you're doing. I appreciate everything you've done for the AFC south over the last few years. Holding it down. I think they're a great team. I love everything about them. I just don't think they walk into Arrowhead and get a win and I think this could easily be a two score game. Yeah. So give me the Chiefs. All right, let's go to the second game. Commanders Lions over under 55 and a half. Everybody thinks it's going to be a high scoring affair. Jaden Daniels is obviously a mobile quarterback and the Lions defense have not fared well against quarterbacks that can run. Terry McLaurin is a weapon. Always going to be open even whenever he's not. The defense for the commanders led by Dan Quinn. Fly around, make plays. They're taking on a Detroit Lions wagon though. A team that has been at the top of the NFL all season long. Even whenever they lost every starter on their defensive side side, they still won games. Number one seed in the NFC for a reason. Jared Goff, Jamir Gibbs, you name it. Amal Ross, St. Brown. Who's the tight end? So good. He is. Where do you go? School?
- [158:15]
Ty Schmidt
University of Iowa.
- [158:17]
Pat McAfee
Feels like Iowa is tight end. You.
- [158:19]
Ty Schmidt
It is. I mean we can have any other argument we want, but it is.
- [158:22]
Pat McAfee
Ben Johnson, Watson. Is this potentially his last game ever as a Detroit Lion?
- [158:26]
Ty Schmidt
Maybe.
- [158:26]
Pat McAfee
How about Aaron Glenn? Is this his last game ever as a Detroit Lion? Three more games.
- [158:31]
Connor
Sounds like it.
- [158:32]
Pat McAfee
That's Evan Foxy. Three more games. You think you cover? You said that you've envisioned an ass beating here for the Detroit Lions. Yeah, I think we cover. I think there's a reason it's the most expensive ticket in town. People from Detroit, people from Michigan have been waiting for this our entire lives are finally the one seed. We're finally super bowl favorite favorites. It's going to be so loud for a rookie quarterback to go in there and try to win a playoff game. So I think we control the clock, ground and pound win this game. We got Montgomery back. So I'm feeling pretty damn good about this one. Okay, AJ who do you like? How do you like it?
- [159:02]
AJ Hawk
So, I mean, I love the lines. Everything they do. I think the Lions could absolutely win the Super Bowl. I know Pac man thinks that as well, but in this game, I am taking the Commanders nine and a half. Feels like a lot. That place will be loud. It will be rock. And I'm sure Kid Rock will. Will get that crowd, you know, all riled up pregame, halftime, whenever it matters. But give me commanders.
- [159:21]
Pat McAfee
I did hear there's Kid Rock performance pregame, halftime and post show. Is that right? Kid Rock's playing? Yeah, and that's why I think we're going to win by about a thousand.
- [159:29]
Tone
That's huge.
- [159:29]
Pat McAfee
Okay. I. We don't know if any of that is true. We do know Eminem's gonna be there though. I assume so. We do know the walkout is going to be awesome all time. We do know mcdc is Going to do his thing. We do know Anzalone. Tony back still all the way back. Changed everything for us. Aaron Glenn he brought it. How many times did he bring it against the Vikings? 16 times or something like that. Most out of any team in the entire season. Rookie quarterback. I know he can run well and I know Jaden Daniels has done a fantastic job. But this defense shows a lot and they bring it and they're still bringing it. Yeah. I think the commanders have had a wonderful start. Start to a new era, a new year. I think this could be a two score game too. Give me the Lions. Jeez Elise.
- [160:13]
Connor
Bobby Wagner also very banged up but.
- [160:16]
Ty Schmidt
They have said he is going to go no matter what.
- [160:18]
Pat McAfee
Bobby Wagner football. Yeah, he's gonna throw this out there as well. No punts in this game is plus 2000 and the actual total for punts is six and a half. So you can get under six and a half punts for minus 140 on this game. Okay. That's a great, great. That's a great bet. It sounds like especially with what the Lions do. They do not punt much and even if they do have to punt, he's not going to. If fake punts don't count, right? No, no, no. Yeah. Because they. Even if there is a chance to punt, there's a chance both these teams will actually just fake it and say ha ha. You thought we were just going to give the ball back. Absolutely not. Go ahead.
- [160:51]
Tone
So commanders went for it four times last week.
- [160:54]
Pat McAfee
Okay. So under six and a half punts feels like a very solid. But then this is also one of those games that could become such a cagey affair really that you just get mind blown. So I'm not necessarily going to jump on that. Gumpy's a good gambler though, so he loves it. Give me the Lions -9 and a half. To go back to our NFL players conversation, I just got a text from Phil. We got paid by the NFLPA this year back fee. Wow. $31.
- [161:18]
Ty Schmidt
Dude, don't spend it in one place.
- [161:20]
Connor
Where we going to eat?
- [161:21]
Pat McAfee
I don't know. That might be a thousand things. That might be a thousand things that they sold my name on a buck 31. We're not 100. Sure. Phil said this actually just came in. Check it out and it's a payment remittance for a dollar 31. Nice. How do you even get to a buck 31? Their deals are such 150 people laid off. There's another. How many did you say was there?
- [161:43]
Tone
524.
- [161:44]
Pat McAfee
I said, yeah, oh my God. Let's get to the defense. Louisiana. Rams, Philadelphia Eagles. Eagles favored by six and a half at home. Supposed to be three to five inches of snow. Can you pull up the weather graphic? Actually as we check out what the temperature will be 32 at kickoff. The coldest it will be is 31. It'll feel like 22 at times in that stadium. 10 to 11 mile an hour gusting winds in Philadelphia. For the Johns out there, 3 to 5 inches of snow is the big storage story for me. I like the Philadelphia Eagles minus six and a half. Although I love Puka Nakua coming on the show the other day and Matthew Stafford. I believe this particular weather plays into the hands of the Philadelphia Eagles with Saquon Barkley, that offensive line and who they have become this year. But I love what this Rams team has done. This is no, this is the division round. There's only eight teams left. All these teams are great. Puka Nku is an absolute dog. But I think this is the year Saquon Barkley has tried to prove that he is a difference maker, a game breaker. Same with that offensive line. A lot of people talking about this Eagles teams, I'm being able to do it. They say Jalen hurts, ain't able to do it. Well, I don't think that's what they're going to rely upon. Young defensive line for the Los Angeles Rams. Very, very, very, very good. This is not an understatement of them, but the run game and what they do over there in Statland and the way they set things up, it's a, it's a sight to see. I think six and a half point win could be done by the Eagles. I'll roll with The Home Eagles minus six and a half. A.J. how about you?
- [163:18]
AJ Hawk
So I flip flop back and forth on this one. Even as you were speaking. I'm trying to I guess go against my instincts on this one. But when I first saw this game pop up, I started thinking about it. I was thinking Rams just because I think six and a half is a lot. I think the Rams have a good chance to win this game. I think Stafford will be able to handle that cold weather. I'm taking the Rams here minus and a half or plus six and a half. Sorry. Plus six.
- [163:38]
Pat McAfee
And I want to let you know, all these big numbers, it's hard not to take them. Yeah.
- [163:42]
Connor
Cuz I mean like you especially with the Chiefs. The Chiefs against the Jags. I think it was two years ago. Like they're winning by 14 the entire game. And then the, the Jags last drive, the Chiefs were just kind of like, hey, keep everything in front of you. And then they only won by seven.
- [163:56]
Pat McAfee
Obviously vastly different because it's college ball, but Texas is going down to tie the game.
- [164:00]
Connor
Yes.
- [164:01]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [164:01]
Pat McAfee
Jack Sawyer, fourth quarter. Strip. Sack. Touchdown. Two score. They win by 14. It's like that was not how that game. No, that's not how that game was. You know, those things happen in ball. I've picked all the favorites. You picked all the dogs. I feel like an asshole going chalking this entire thing. Will I Continue? Baltimore Ravens vs. The Buffalo Bills in Buffalo. Let's go back to the weather thing, shall we? I believe it's going to be very chilly. It's going to be 19 degrees at kickoff. It'll get down to 17. It'll feel like it's 11 six to seven mile power winds, not too shabby, but we will have about an inch of snow gusting through Bill's mafia. I love the thought of Lamar Jackson in Baltimore being able to get over the hump and win it all, especially with the addition of Derrick Henry. Was he the missing piece? I also love, I love the thought of Josh Allen basically having to put this entire team on his back and lead a young bunch of dogs to a promised land, playing better football than they've ever played with a defense. I guess if you listen to Chuck Pagano and all the experts that are very confident in what they do, this is what we're going to do. No matter who you are. We're going to play nickel and we're going to do our thing regardless of the setup. AJ how do you see this game going as the Ravens are favored by 1:1 in Buffalo?
- [165:23]
AJ Hawk
Man, this is, I mean, this is a game that I think everyone's kind of circling like this could be an instant classic. No question. But the more I look at this game, I love the Bills and what Josh Allen does, but man, I, I, I can't go against the Ravens right here and Lamar and Derrick Henry and what they're doing. So I will take the Ravens on the road minus one.
- [165:40]
Pat McAfee
Okay, Connor, what was your question?
- [165:42]
Connor
I was going to ask where the money was just because this game is so. Yeah, it's, it's one where I wouldn't know. Where the public, like, you couldn't assume.
- [165:49]
Pat McAfee
50, 50. Tough.
- [165:52]
AJ Hawk
Jeez.
- [165:54]
Pat McAfee
I don't like this wall. It's hard. Love both of them. Yeah. So much. Like, so thankful for both these teams.
- [166:03]
Connor
Yes.
- [166:03]
Pat McAfee
For what they did for the NFL. Season this year.
- [166:05]
Connor
That's what I was thinking with the afc. It's so crazy. Like, during the Brady time, like, there was never a time where it was like this, like every single year. And grits, not this year because Burrow's not in it, but like between Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar, Josh Allen, like every year there's going to be the conversation like one of them can't win.
- [166:22]
Pat McAfee
These two teams have got a lot of friends in both buildings, too. A lot of friends in both buildings.
- [166:27]
Tone
You know who to take. It's the Ravens.
- [166:33]
Pat McAfee
Josh Allen's been special.
- [166:34]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, exactly.
- [166:35]
Pat McAfee
He's been special this year, brother. Exactly. He has been special. I mean, like, he's winning. He's literally just. He looks like a youth football where he's just putting the team on his back against NFL guys. You agree with that, AJ that's literally what it has looked like on many games. Like this is a youth football where there's one kid that's more athletic and bigger and stronger and faster than everybody else and he just takes over the game. That is what it has felt like with Josh Allen this year. Now, granted, is it different because Lamar is able to do the same thing and Derrick Henry's able to do the same thing and Pat Patrick Ricard is 280 pounds and Mark Andrews is all the way back in the swing of things and likely he's able to do shit that I don't think a lot of people give him enough credit for because of how athletic, powerful and dominant he is at the line. And he's talking about 22x Chuck was saying about them bringing in another tackle in there and just Ram jam football against the Buffalo Bills. Especially with this weather, it's hard not to think that Zay Flowers out for practice yet again. He's not gonna play.
- [167:29]
Tone
I have A stat from A.T. williamson. NFL against Steelers. Last week, the Ravens played just eight snaps with three wide receivers on the field. Yet Pittsburgh played almost half their snaps in nickel, which we talked about, you know, Chuck talked about in the Buffalo Bills. And obviously the Ravens ran for 300 yards. So will the Bills still stay in nickel all game long or not? We will see. But just a little tidbit, I think.
- [167:52]
Pat McAfee
If the Bills stay in nickel, the Ravens are gone. Bring the boom. That's just what they'll do. They'll bring the bone to you. Yeah, I'll take the Ravens. I don't like it though. That's a hard one to pick. That's up that we got to pick that game.
- [168:13]
AJ Hawk
And then because you don't want either one to lose, it's one of those.
- [168:15]
Pat McAfee
Bingo. I would like them both to be in next week and then the Super Bowl. Yeah, I like them both to be in the Super Bowl. It's not possible. It's like I'm actually very bummed out to going to lose one of those teams. Yeah.
- [168:25]
Connor
It's going to be loud.
- [168:26]
Pat McAfee
And Aaron talked about it. Yeah, Aaron talked about it. AJ Talked.
- [168:29]
AJ Hawk
He was right.
- [168:30]
Pat McAfee
It's like Aaron's. Aaron's had to build up the who cares mentality after years and years and years of being murdered after a great season and not winning the Super Bowl. So he's all jaded. I think whenever he talks about who gives a. Sure. What any of these say with a microphone, you know, that is kind of. I think he's had to live through it so much that that is how he has had to frame it. But there will certainly be a lot of noise on Monday whenever. Whichever team loses, whichever quarterback is no longer playing. And I want to let everybody know, we don't think it's fair here.
- [168:59]
Ty Schmidt
Nope, it's not fair.
- [169:00]
Connor
We love them both.
- [169:02]
Pat McAfee
We're thankful for what they did to this season.
- [169:04]
Connor
Amen.
- [169:05]
Pat McAfee
The performances week in, week out, the style of football, the way you went about doing your business, both of you, we appreciate you, J. Genuinely. Now for Hard Knocks. Ravens lose, it's over.
- [169:19]
AJ Hawk
Oh, yeah.
- [169:21]
Pat McAfee
So we know who NFL Films is pulling for thumbs out. Yeah.
- [169:26]
Connor
Which.
- [169:29]
Pat McAfee
We call Keith Cost.
- [169:30]
Connor
Let me call Keith if I'm a Buffalo fan. Yeah, I'm definitely spinning that yarn.
- [169:34]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. We have some breaking news before we get out of here. Adam Schefter has tweeted information they told us this morning was potentially coming but wouldn't say on the show. So he doesn't want to get it wrong. I can't get it right. You know, the way he operates. Titans haven't offered a contract yet, but they plan to try to hire. Okay. Mike Borgonzi. Mike Big Brain Boganzi, the chief's assistant general manager, as their new general manager. Per sources haven't offered him a contract, but they're going to try to hire him because he's currently in the middle of a dynasty run, a Super bowl run with the Kansas City Chiefs. He felt obligated to put this tweet out for some reason. I don't know why, because it. Obviously they're going to try. You never hear Schefter saying they're going to try to hire. So let's assume that they think it's close. Maybe it's close to the sides. Haven't started negotiation yet, but both sides want to get the deal done if they can, per sources. Okay. So Borgonzi said, I'm not focusing on that. We got to win a Super bowl, but. But yes, yes, we will. We'll get with that at some point. So Schefter probably felt like other people were potentially going to get that information at some point. I need to report it now. Thought he might have had that by the time we went live. He did not. Now he's got more information. Feels good about it. Congrats to Paisan Bonds. He heading down to Nashville, be the general manager now. Callahan's down there. Are they together, how they feel about each other? Hopefully that's able to work out because Nashville is a wonderful town. Who's our quarterback down there?
- [171:09]
Tone
Pac said they're not looking for one.
- [171:10]
Pat McAfee
They currently don't have one number one overall pick, which is worth a lot if you were to trade out, no matter what.
- [171:17]
AJ Hawk
Redoing their stadium. Right. Aren't they renovating their whole stadium?
- [171:19]
Pat McAfee
Oh, yeah. Renovating the stadium. I mean, Nashville is like, good spot.
- [171:23]
Connor
The goat.
- [171:24]
Pat McAfee
I don't. Yeah, I don't. I almost said it's the best city in America.
- [171:27]
Connor
It's one. It's up top there.
- [171:28]
Pat McAfee
It's definitely top three.
- [171:30]
Connor
Definitely.
- [171:31]
Pat McAfee
Just like cities, I think they're so hospitable. You rarely see. I mean, obviously, there's certainly crime that takes place, but that's a place where there's a lot of drunks having a great time, celebrating a lot, and very rarely does it turn into a. You know, Pittsburgh's a great time. Okay. I used to vacation in Pittsburgh. Yeah, that's what my offseason was. But everybody gets boozed up. You gotta. Yeah, you gotta. You gotta keep ready, you know, you gotta. You gotta be on. Nashville. Feels like a good time all the time, every time I've been there.
- [172:02]
Connor
Awesome.
- [172:03]
Pat McAfee
And then the people that live there. Awesome. Every person I've met that lives in Nashville is like, awesome people. So I think that's a beautiful city. I hope the Titans get going because their fan base and the people that sing the national anthem at those games were like megastars. We used to play down there every year, and it was just like, oh, here's a great Grammy award winner, Grammy Award winner, megastar singing the national anthem. It's like, that place could be awesome. I hope they choose to do that. I hope it ends up happening. All right, let's get the hell out of here. We made our picks. We'll be back Monday. We'll be live from Mercedes Benz Stadium, I believe. Hell yeah. College game day. Set, shout out to the ESPN people setting it up for us. Yeah. Con man stealing the trophy. It's mine. It is for all the marbles.
- [172:45]
Tone
It is for marbles.
- [172:46]
Pat McAfee
Count down to one thing. That sucks. A loser of this game just was distracted by the transfer portal in the nil thing that everybody else. Yeah. Has been able to take advantage of. And you end up with nothing. And everybody will celebrate the other team. So you're about a month and a half behind everybody else.
- [173:04]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [173:04]
Pat McAfee
Trying to do what you are for next year.
- [173:06]
Connor
That's why GM is so important very.
- [173:08]
Pat McAfee
Much because you got to focus on what tomorrow as opposed to what's going on right now. I think that's interesting. I think they're gonna have to figure out the schedule and the calendar.
- [173:15]
Pac Man Jones
Yeah.
- [173:16]
Connor
April 8th.
- [173:17]
Pat McAfee
All of it.
- [173:17]
AJ Hawk
Yeah.
- [173:18]
Pat McAfee
Because the best teams shouldn't be behind the. Like that's not. You should be punished. And I'm just speaking. I haven't done full research on what the answer is. I am a solutions guy as opposed to just always pointing out the problem. So I will try to get one of those at some point. But you shouldn't be punished for being good or great.
- [173:35]
Ty Schmidt
No.
- [173:36]
Pat McAfee
Like that should never go. That should never be the case. Will they ever figure it out? April 8th. Did you hear about the. So there was a big ruling that affected the April 8 ruling.
- [173:49]
Connor
Oh, no.
- [173:50]
Pat McAfee
From current administration. What will that look like in a week? Actually in this entire thing? I genuinely. I think that whole thing is a big question mark as well on what it's going to look like.
- [174:00]
Tone
I just saw the come out during their meeting@ the 2025American football coaches association convention, which Bill kind of talks about a little bit when he was on one of these last two. Two weeks. The coach is supported to move it to a single portal window from January 2 to January 12.
- [174:15]
Pat McAfee
They should move it to April. They should just keep the April one.
- [174:18]
Connor
January 2nd to January 12th is still when they're playing the college football play.
- [174:22]
Tone
One day after the semis or. No, no, the quarters.
- [174:25]
Pat McAfee
They should keep the spring one. They should. They should get rid of the middle of season. Season one. They should get. They should keep the spring one personally. But everybody's gonna say get a spring ball in summer. Do that whole thing. All right. Spring one, two semester school. Are we not thinking about that? No kidding.
- [174:43]
AJ Hawk
No.
- [174:45]
Pat McAfee
Well, I thought that's what we were thinking about.
- [174:47]
Connor
No, we are not.
- [174:49]
Pat McAfee
We should be thinking about school. That's just what this.
- [174:55]
Connor
Think about that case.
- [174:57]
Pat McAfee
You're talking about the case. You're talking about the case. How much you think Borgonzi's getting down there to be a gm? What is a GM number? We. Do you see his grill? Shefty on his Kevin O'Connell projections on his contract. He's like high end. Guys get 19, 20, 17, 18, 19, 20. Kevin O'Connell probably get 11. It's like night, 14 games. What are we.
- [175:20]
AJ Hawk
Why is Shetty doing that? Shefty hamstringing him publicly too.
- [175:23]
Pat McAfee
Well, then he caught himself. He said, I'm not. I'm sorry, I'm not negotiating against Kevin O'Connell. Get everything you want. I'm just telling 35 years of experience this is what I'm expecting for his second deal. So it's almost like. It's not your performance, it's how long have you been. It's almost like you graduate almost to those is what he was kind of alluding to.
- [175:41]
Connor
McVeigh gets like 20, but also he. Every single year, like, I might go do TV.
- [175:47]
Pat McAfee
They just offered me 30 million a year. That was a wild time.
- [175:51]
AJ Hawk
Eventually he will. Eventually. Hopefully McVeigh does go to the booth because I think he will be great on TV.
- [175:55]
Pat McAfee
King Kerr. Same with Kevin O'Connell. Yeah, same with Mike Tomlin. Oh, yeah, same with Mike Vrabel.
- [176:02]
Connor
He's never leaving cushion. So don't worry about that.
- [176:05]
Pat McAfee
Chris Ballard would be great on tv. Yeah. Eight years. Are we going to do it this year or not? I mean, absolutely not. We're in the same boat. We're literally in the exact same boat here. I mean, you've had your. Now, Chris Greer has been in Miami forever.
- [176:28]
Connor
Yeah, but you're in a worse boat, Gump, because anytime we bring up like that team's kind of soft, it's like.
- [176:33]
Pat McAfee
Kind of similar to.
- [176:35]
Connor
Yeah. Times today.
- [176:38]
Pat McAfee
Who is the team of super soft.
- [176:41]
Connor
Who be affected by the cold.
- [176:42]
Pat McAfee
What was that one team? Oh, the Fins. Yeah, it was the Dolphins. Dolphins.
- [176:47]
Connor
It's way worse.
- [176:47]
Pat McAfee
That is a shame. We had a guy that tapped out cuz he was tired and nobody really talks about it. No, we apologize for that. We apologize that you guys are that. I mean, you gotta. You gotta fix it, right? You went into Green Bay. Loss.
- [176:57]
Tone
Went to New York last game of.
- [176:59]
Pat McAfee
The year and lost.
- [176:59]
Tone
You know, jets stunk.
- [177:01]
Connor
I mean, whoa, McDermott, whoever, they hire New York and then McDaniel. I know who's coming out alive.
- [177:08]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [177:09]
Tone
Playoffs two of the last three years.
- [177:13]
Pat McAfee
Boom. All right, let's get out of here. Tony, you want to win some people some money or no?
- [177:19]
Connor
Yeah, we do. We worked on it this morning.
- [177:22]
Pat McAfee
Really? Because you're throwing. Was it because you were worried I was going to do this or just because you wanted to work on it for your personal.
- [177:27]
Tone
No, we were just throwing a bit now. Spinning it.
- [177:30]
Pat McAfee
So said throw one in that hoop, don't he.
- [177:33]
AJ Hawk
Here we go.
- [177:34]
Pat McAfee
He pull one in the hoop.
- [177:35]
Ty Schmidt
Yes, he did it.
- [177:36]
Pat McAfee
You pull one in hoop already? Yeah. Okay, so you took the top off? Yeah.
- [177:40]
Connor
Tops off. Tops off.
- [177:41]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [177:42]
Pat McAfee
Chuck. I would like to let everybody know, immediately after the show ended, Chuck threw a football right into that hoop right over there.
- [177:48]
Connor
Yeah, I believe it.
- [177:49]
Pat McAfee
As soon as the show ended, literally bank swish would have been 50.
- [177:53]
Connor
Sick of that gimmick.
- [177:55]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, me too. I'm kind of bummed out about it.
- [177:57]
Connor
Yeah.
- [177:57]
Pat McAfee
Tone Diggs, happy divisional round weekend. Happy Feel good Friday. Why don't you win 30 people 500 by putting that football into that hoop right over there? Go ahead.
- [178:09]
Connor
No, remember what I worked on.
- [178:11]
Pat McAfee
Remember what we worked on. That's it. Remember, we're not doing any more. Yeah.
- [178:16]
Connor
Tony, you're falling away.
- [178:20]
Pat McAfee
It's over. I did that for Tony, his friend. Appreciate that.
- [178:23]
AJ Hawk
Okay.
- [178:24]
Pat McAfee
All right.
- [178:25]
Adam Schefter
Fair enough.
- [178:26]
AJ Hawk
Drilled that maybe throw one left handed.
- [178:28]
Pat McAfee
Tone, no, we worked. That's what it looked like. That's the problem.
- [178:31]
Tone
As soon as this guy opened his mouth. Talk about working on earlier. There was no.
- [178:34]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, but Tone, I was after. I have great faith in your athletic ability. Okay?
- [178:39]
Adam Schefter
I do.
- [178:39]
Pat McAfee
Personally, I've seen you do magical things, both on a football and baseball.
- [178:42]
Tone
That was a long time ago.
- [178:43]
Pat McAfee
Agreed. For all of us. But. But AJ just said maybe you should throw with your other hand. That's how bad those throws were.
- [178:51]
Tone
Well, AJ's an.
- [178:53]
AJ Hawk
No, that's always. That's my first.
- [178:54]
Pat McAfee
If.
- [178:55]
AJ Hawk
If I miss right handed, I'm going to throw it lefty. I throw decent left.
- [178:59]
Pat McAfee
Better pray to God he doesn't make this. Tony. Oh, yeah.
- [179:03]
AJ Hawk
He got it, man.
- [179:06]
Pat McAfee
God. I always think Tim Tebo. When I. When I go literally in my head right there, I was like, what would Tim do? That's. That's how I. Cause I feel like he was a righty maybe.
- [179:15]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, might have been.
- [179:16]
Pat McAfee
I feel like the. Just like kind of Tua. They have the conversation about Tua. Like, Tua was forced to be a lefty in that entire thing. But the way Tim threw Is either he was too jacked, he wasn't able to get the full fluid motion, or he was. He was right handed, potentially right handed, but nonetheless won a playoff game in the NFL as quarterback. Lefty. How about whenever he was just jacking bombs? Yeah.
- [179:37]
AJ Hawk
Killed him.
- [179:38]
Connor
Robbing home runs.
- [179:38]
Pat McAfee
Was he a righty or a lefty? And baseball? Lefty. Lefty. Massive too. We're talking.
- [179:43]
Ty Schmidt
I want to say he threw right handed though.
- [179:47]
Pat McAfee
In baseball.
- [179:48]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, I don't remember.
- [179:48]
Ty Schmidt
I'm pretty sure he did.
- [179:50]
Pat McAfee
His throwing style was like not very. It was very robotic.
- [179:55]
Connor
It wasn't like a fluid because he came down. That was that whole long.
- [179:59]
AJ Hawk
That long motion.
- [180:00]
Pat McAfee
You know, they were working hard. They tried to change his motion. Do you remember? And the balls were just thrown. Thrown into the ground.
- [180:06]
AJ Hawk
It doesn't happen. You can't do that. Wholesale change. But he didn't like. He didn't wholesale change his whole motion. Like he. He tightened it up and made it more efficient. He didn't like, hey, we need a whole new throwing motion.
- [180:17]
Pat McAfee
I think Lamar went right here with it. I think somebody told him like, hey, probably three quarter is where you're supposed to be. You see a lot of his, like dimes. It's like unreal, unreal.
- [180:27]
AJ Hawk
His feet don't have to be set. And that dude can just. On a laser.
- [180:30]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Patrick Mahomes, he is an interesting throw as well. Well, Patrick, cuz it doesn't look like he should have as strong of an arm as he has, but he has whatever you need in it. He has whatever you need. We need this thing to be 60 yards. We need this thing to be 20 yards. He's got it in there. He's great. How's Jordan Love?
- [180:44]
Connor
Jordan Love's like a kind of a sidearm gunslinger.
- [180:48]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, he is a little bit.
- [180:49]
Pat McAfee
He's got a cannon.
- [180:50]
Ty Schmidt
He does have a cannon. His big thing though this year was. Same thing he was throwing. Falling away all the time. Wasn't really setting his feet. So hopefully, you know, who knows, maybe Dana Lovski will fix that next year.
- [181:01]
Pat McAfee
Why Funny. Connor.
- [181:02]
AJ Hawk
Connor, where you at?
- [181:03]
Pat McAfee
What's that? Where'd you go? You want to showcase the back of that jersey? I thought.
- [181:08]
Connor
I thought. I thought something back there was big on. Why you laughing?
- [181:11]
Pat McAfee
No, no, nobody. What are you talking about? You don't think Dano could fix that?
- [181:14]
Connor
I. I think you can. I just want him to stay 100 miles away from Drake May.
- [181:18]
Pat McAfee
That's all we.
- [181:20]
Connor
I'm a huge fan of Dan. I want him in the League chef said Today he's for 41. He might be a head coach at 45. Okay, okay.
- [181:30]
Pat McAfee
What's your problem? I want to see it. I want to see it. Dan's got all friends that are great coaches.
- [181:35]
Connor
Oh, okay.
- [181:36]
Pat McAfee
He has all the knowledge in the world. He has a passion. They just be bow and gunner the other night in hoops.
- [181:41]
Ty Schmidt
They did.
- [181:41]
Connor
So you know what? Maybe he should coach the Spurs.
- [181:45]
Pat McAfee
I don't know. Is Pop giving that up? Is he still a coach downer? Bob's sick. Yeah. Yeah. What do you mean?
- [181:50]
Connor
He had a stroke earlier in the year and he's been sideline. Yeah, actually.
- [181:53]
Pat McAfee
Really?
- [181:54]
Connor
For shoot.
- [181:54]
AJ Hawk
I didn't know. It's a stroke.
- [181:55]
Pat McAfee
Jeez, that's pretty serious.
- [181:56]
Connor
Yeah, they said small stroke. I believe Te, but Orlovsky might come in there and.
- [182:02]
Pat McAfee
Oh, Chuck and Chuck and Dan.
- [182:04]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, Chuck and Dan.
- [182:06]
Pat McAfee
Chuck and Dan. He's the head coach. Chuck and Dan. All right, T, you want to step back up to the plate or what? No. Come on, step into it. It's been enough time now where nobody even remembers.
- [182:21]
Tone
I don't know if that should happen.
- [182:22]
Pat McAfee
Come on. 10, 30 people, 500 bucks on your.
- [182:25]
Connor
Step into that thing.
- [182:26]
Pat McAfee
All right.
- [182:27]
Connor
Don't fall away like Jordan Love.
- [182:28]
Pat McAfee
We only got two balls left anyway, so really, what's the worst that could happen? It's already been bad enough. You nailed the West Virginia helmet. Step right in, ladies and gentlemen. Ton digs here. Grew up on Holia Drive and Plumber.
- [182:43]
Tone
When they're inflated to fucking real.
- [182:44]
Pat McAfee
We do have some deflated footballs around here. Yeah, we got a Patriots fan, and.
- [182:48]
Connor
This got disproved in 2014. It happened in 2015. They were like, we should start looking into this and check the PSI before games and after games. And guess what they found out after all those games. Oh, the thing that happened in 2014 happens in every single fucking game. And that got released after the fact, but no one talks about it because it's not fun and cool and hip.
- [183:06]
Pat McAfee
Look for softballs this weekend as we got three cold games, one game in the dome. Those are a little bit soft. We do not keep them fully inflated for whatever reason. I know with those big old mitts, you like that thing to be nice and thick, but nonetheless, you got to put that Baby Duke 2.0 into that hoop right over there. And if you do, 30 people will win $500. Oh, see?
- [183:28]
Connor
Stepped in.
- [183:28]
AJ Hawk
See Step fully committed. I know he didn't have ears in, but he doesn't feel fully committed.
- [183:33]
Pat McAfee
He was aj Saying, much like that Bigfoot hunting trip feels like you don't believe enough. And that's why this has been a fruitless experience for the last few times. Let's make this a fruitful giveaway.
- [183:45]
Ty Schmidt
Come on.
- [183:46]
Pat McAfee
Let's go ahead and put that ball into that hoop right over there and win 30 people.
- [183:51]
Connor
Oh, that's just it.
- [183:52]
Ty Schmidt
That was the line.
- [183:53]
Pat McAfee
Holy. That was your best throw yet. Stepping into that thing. Finally, ladies and gentlemen, this is the final ball. This is the Baby Duke 1.0.
- [184:02]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [184:02]
Pat McAfee
This is the Orig. It's a little fatter design. Much harder to find if you want to sell it to people, though they only made a limited amount of these balls, they are certainly magical. Not as magical as the Baby Duke 2.0, but this particular ball could be magical for 30 people. Who could win $500 if AP Tony was able to put that ball into that hoop right over there. Going into the weekend on this Feel Good Friday. Let's make it a Feel Great Friday.
- [184:25]
Connor
Dude, he's an AP voter. He's a pro guy. Spin that Duke.
- [184:31]
AJ Hawk
Oh, maybe punt one in.
- [184:32]
Ty Schmidt
Spin that Duke, Tony.
- [184:34]
Pat McAfee
Spin that Duke. Yeah. All right. Speech about not quitting, but he was pretty matter of fact there. Yeah, I'm okay with being done with this whole song, dance and pony show on his feel Good Friday. I'm trying to have him feel good Friday too. It's only getting worse by the throw. What about tennis ball?
- [184:51]
Ty Schmidt
Come on, launch the tennis ball.
- [184:52]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [184:53]
AJ Hawk
You got that?
- [184:53]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [184:54]
AJ Hawk
Yeah. You got it.
- [184:56]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. 50 people. 500.
- [184:59]
Connor
Oh, it's a little short.
- [185:01]
Pat McAfee
Sorry I made you do that. Sorry I made you do that.
- [185:05]
Tone
Give me a baseball.
- [185:06]
Pat McAfee
I don't baseball. Wow.
- [185:08]
Ty Schmidt
Shattered a backboard.
- [185:10]
AJ Hawk
He wants to do more, though. Tone wants to throw more. That's good.
- [185:12]
Pat McAfee
You can doordash your food. He can get tickets to Sea Kick. You can drive a Ram truck truck. You should wipe your ass with dude wipes. And if you smell like ass, you should use Dove Men's care. Whole body deal available now.
- [185:27]
Connor
They are woman's too.
- [185:29]
Pat McAfee
You should eat Pizza Hut. And you should have the greatest weekend of your life. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change their life. We're in this thing together, boys. Great work this week, everybody. Thank you too.
- [185:41]
Connor
Good work.
- [185:42]
Pat McAfee
Talk. You know what? Talk. Why don't you.
- [185:44]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [185:45]
Pat McAfee
Come out here and join us. Talk for. Please. I want to see how he walks. I haven't.
- [185:50]
AJ Hawk
I haven't seen him walk that much.
- [185:51]
Tone
It's time for us to eliminate it.
- [185:52]
Pat McAfee
Have you Ever heard him walk?
- [185:54]
AJ Hawk
Well, I watched him fall down that window back there one time. That was pretty amazing. Oh, okay. I see what you're talking about and.
- [186:00]
Pat McAfee
You can't even hear it. You can see it. Your eyes are telling you what it sounds like.
- [186:02]
AJ Hawk
He'll first heal first.
- [186:04]
Connor
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He's a heel.
- [186:05]
AJ Hawk
That's what makes it loud.
- [186:06]
Pat McAfee
This could be the last day that you're ever talking a Sunday. The support Supreme Court said it's over. So you might be reals on Monday, but the Talk era has been stupendous. Great work out of you. Thank you for taking this particular program to different levels, to different generations, to different platforms. Thank you for helping us out in the TikTok era.
- [186:27]
Tone
It's been a pleasure.
- [186:28]
Pat McAfee
We had a great run. We did. What's next? Who knows? Anything. Death.
- [186:33]
Tone
Death. Death.
- [186:35]
AJ Hawk
No, no.
- [186:37]
Pat McAfee
Eliminate him. China Bill.
- [186:39]
Tone
Bring out your gun.
- [186:40]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Nobody's killing you.
- [186:41]
Connor
Aren't we sending him to the Forbidden City?
- [186:43]
Pat McAfee
No. He had his family, his mom text him yesterday and said, are you getting fired? Because. No, no, no, you're. That's really happened, right?
- [186:50]
Connor
That's part partly on me because I told her, like, hey, guess who's moving back home? Your favorite boy's coming home.
- [186:57]
Pat McAfee
Why'd you do that? I love his mother, I love his family. I appreciate his friends. I appreciate him. We'll just move right into the reels era, brother.
- [187:03]
Connor
Okay?
- [187:03]
Pat McAfee
And then maybe even some long form editing for the Emmy Award winner. Okay. Okay.
- [187:08]
Connor
Yeah.
- [187:09]
Pat McAfee
All right.
- [187:09]
Tone
Can you do long form?
- [187:11]
Pat McAfee
He did a couple of them. Yeah. What about shorts? That could be a good nickname. YouTube Shorts. Oh, yeah. YouTube Shorts. Yeah. What's up? Shorts, too?
- [187:19]
Tone
Still think Goofball is the good one?
- [187:20]
Pat McAfee
Boy, don't they want to call you Goofball? I don't think that's fair. Goofball golf.
- [187:24]
Connor
Thank you.
- [187:25]
Pat McAfee
Thanks, Gum. No problem.
- [187:26]
Ty Schmidt
No, he just said goofball, not golf.
- [187:28]
Pat McAfee
That's your name. Goofball. Heard you're a pretty good golfer, though, Harvey. Got 150 right down the middle.
- [187:33]
Tone
Only when it matters.
- [187:35]
Pat McAfee
All right.
- [187:35]
AJ Hawk
When the lights are brightest.
- [187:36]
Pat McAfee
No, no, you gotta stay. Gotta stay. Gotta stay.
- [187:38]
Ty Schmidt
Get your ass up there. For sake.
- [187:41]
Pat McAfee
Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice, it might change your life. We're in this thing together. No matter what your nickname or platform is. Team on me. Team on three. Put that thing up. Put that thing up.
- [187:53]
AJ Hawk
Come on, talk. Get up.
- [187:55]
Pat McAfee
Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three.
- [187:57]
Connor
Team.
- [187:57]
Pat McAfee
Oh, God. Goodbye.